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LiddyRules
12-02-2008, 06:44 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28002991/wid/11915773

CHICAGO - Almost one in five young American adults has a personality disorder that interferes with everyday life, and even more abuse alcohol or drugs, researchers reported Monday in the most extensive study of its kind.

The disorders include problems such as obsessive or compulsive tendencies and anti-social behavior that can sometimes lead to violence. The study also found that fewer than 25 percent of college-aged Americans with mental problems get treatment.

One expert said personality disorders may be overdiagnosed. But others said the results were not surprising since previous, less rigorous evidence has suggested mental problems are common on college campuses and elsewhere.
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Experts praised the study's scope — face-to-face interviews about numerous disorders with more than 5,000 young people ages 19 to 25 — and said it spotlights a problem college administrators need to address.

Study co-author Dr. Mark Olfson of Columbia University and New York State Psychiatric Institute called the widespread lack of treatment particularly worrisome. He said it should alert not only "students and parents, but also deans and people who run college mental health services about the need to extend access to treatment."

Particularly vulnerable
Counting substance abuse, the study found that nearly half of young people surveyed have some sort of psychiatric condition, including students and non-students.

Personality disorders were the second most common problem behind drug or alcohol abuse as a single category. The disorders include obsessive, anti-social and paranoid behaviors that are not mere quirks but actually interfere with ordinary functioning.

The study authors noted that recent tragedies such as fatal shootings at Northern Illinois University and Virginia Tech have raised awareness about the prevalence of mental illness on college campuses.

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They also suggest that this age group might be particularly vulnerable.

"For many, young adulthood is characterized by the pursuit of greater educational opportunities and employment prospects, development of personal relationships, and for some, parenthood," the authors said. These circumstances, they said, can result in stress that triggers the start or recurrence of psychiatric problems.

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, an estimated 1 in four U.S. adults suffers from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.

Highlighting a need
The study was released Monday in Archives of General Psychiatry. It was based on interviews with 5,092 young adults in 2001 and 2002.

Olfson said it took time to analzye the data, including weighting the results to extrapolate national numbers. But the authors said the results would probably hold true today.

The study was funded with grants from the National Institutes of Health, the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the New York Psychiatric Institute.

Dr. Sharon Hirsch, a University of Chicago psychiatrist not involved in the study, praised it for raising awareness about the problem and the high numbers of affected people who don't get help.

Imagine if more than 75 percent of diabetic college students didn't get treatment, Hirsch said. "Just think about what would be happening on our college campuses."

The results highlight the need for mental health services to be housed with other medical services on college campuses, to erase the stigma and make it more likely that people will seek help, she said.

In the study, trained interviewers, but not psychiatrists, questioned participants about symptoms. They used an assessment tool similar to criteria doctors use to diagnose mental illness.

Dr. Jerald Kay, a psychiatry professor at Wright State University and chairman of the American Psychiatric Association's college mental health committee, said the assessment tool is considered valid and more rigorous than self-reports of mental illness. He was not involved in the study.

Personality disorders showed up in similar numbers among both students and non-students, including the most common one, obsessive compulsive personality disorder. About 8 percent of young adults in both groups had this illness, which can include an extreme preoccupation with details, rules, orderliness and perfectionism.


Kay said the prevalence of personality disorders was higher than he would expect and questioned whether the condition might be overdiagnosed.

All good students have a touch of "obsessional" personality that helps them work hard to achieve. But that's different from an obsessional disorder that makes people inflexible and controlling and interferes with their lives, he explained.

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder differs from the better known OCD, or obsessive-compulsive disorder, which features repetitive actions such as hand-washing to avoid germs.

OCD is thought to affect about 2 percent of the general population. The study didn't examine OCD separately but grouped it with all anxiety disorders, seen in about 12 percent of college-aged people in the survey.

The overall rate of other disorders was also pretty similar among college students and non-students.

Substance abuse, including drug addiction, alcoholism and other drinking that interferes with school or work, affected nearly one-third of those in both groups.

Slightly more college students than non-students were problem drinkers — 20 percent versus 17 percent. And slightly more non-students had drug problems — nearly 7 percent versus 5 percent.

In both groups, about 8 percent had phobias and 7 percent had depression.

Bipolar disorder was slightly more common in non-students, affecting almost 5 percent versus about 3 percent of students.

Well you mid-20 and younger posters. Would you say you have a personality disorder? Were you treated? Does it affect your life?

yes, no, probably

THE FEZ MAN
12-02-2008, 06:46 PM
what bout us ol folk

LiddyRules
12-02-2008, 06:47 PM
what bout us ol folk The study doesn't care about you or your issues therefore I don't care about you or your issues.

Turfmower
12-02-2008, 07:20 PM
More studies to to drug up more people. The government needs to dope up population, so they can control everyone. In the last 20 years how many kids do they have meds?

LiddyRules
12-02-2008, 07:22 PM
More studies to to drug up more people. The government needs to dope up population, so they can control everyone. In the last 20 years how many kids do they have meds?

Then you'll probably love the associated article Your brooding teen: Just moody or mentally ill? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28004005/wid/11915773/)

tattered
12-02-2008, 07:41 PM
yes i have personality disorder.....i lack the basic caring if other people are bothered by me or not, nor do i care if they wanna hear what i have to say or not, nor do i care if they dont want the truth im gonna give it to them. basicly i just dont give a fuck about most other people and yes it effects me because i dont really have any friends because of it. most of my friends are on the net because its hard to find people who are just like me and dont give a fuck like me

TheDrip
12-02-2008, 07:41 PM
Obsessive compulsive personality disorder differs from the better known OCD, or obsessive-compulsive disorder, which features repetitive actions such as hand-washing to avoid germs.

Bah...I wash my hands probably 4 or 5 times a day. I'm not obsessed about it, though. It started when I was still in the restaurant business. Back then I was washing them probably 8 or 9 times a day.

That being said, I've only been sick with the cold or flu twice in the last 10 years, which I attribute to the fact that I don't have grubby, germ-infested mitts.

ThatsNotFunny
12-02-2008, 07:42 PM
Young American, young American, yes he was a young American....

ALLLLLLLLLRIGHT!

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Vyce
12-02-2008, 07:55 PM
I'm in my late 20s and I absolutely had avoidant personality disorder when I was younger. I largely grew out of it by my early to mid-20s, though, although sometimes it still flares up from time to time (for example, I'm not always comfortable in large crowds of people that I don't know, and I am still somewhat of a loner).

THE FEZ MAN
12-02-2008, 07:58 PM
yes i have personality disorder.....i lack the basic caring if other people are bothered by me or not, nor do i care if they wanna hear what i have to say or not, nor do i care if they dont want the truth im gonna give it to them. basicly i just dont give a fuck about most other people and yes it effects me because i dont really have any friends because of it. most of my friends are on the net because its hard to find people who are just like me and dont give a fuck like me

tattered is a replicant :action-sm

SatansCheerledr
12-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Just because you have traits or characteristics of a disorder does not mean you meet criteria for a mental illness.

This will continue to be the case until they add asshole and weirdo to the DSM.

Larz
12-02-2008, 08:21 PM
Its mostly leeches looking for ways to milk SSI disability with Doctors enabling them.

Send them all to some shithole country where savages cut each others arms off. Give em a dose of reality and they'll snap out of the nonsense behavior real quick.

LiddyRules
12-02-2008, 08:33 PM
Its mostly leeches looking for ways to milk SSI disability with Doctors enabling them.

Send them all to some shithole country where savages cut each others arms off. Give em a dose of reality and they'll snap out of the nonsense behavior real quick. Or maybe you see this world for what it really is and the natural state of things is being bummed and disappointed and frustrated and unfulfilled. God forbid a young adult be moody.

CousinDave
12-02-2008, 08:36 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28002991/wid/11915773

Well you mid-20 and younger posters. Would you say you have a personality disorder? Were you treated? Does it affect your life?

yes, no, probably


That means 80% of young Americans do not have personality disorders.

I'd believe that number for a second.

JimsInfectedEye
12-02-2008, 08:44 PM
I used to have social anxiety disorder, until I discovered pussy - pretty much put an end to my avoidance issues, since the payoff was fantastic.

Larz
12-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Or maybe you see this world for what it really is and the natural state of things is being bummed and disappointed and frustrated and unfulfilled. God forbid a young adult be moody.

Well I sure as hell don't get it. Theres so much cool shit to do I can't think of a more fun time to be alive. And theres always the old fallback of pussy.

Were things any better 20 years ago? I really doubt it (I was 6 though).

Sidekick Dave
12-03-2008, 12:07 PM
I'm just crazy. That's why I was put in the hospital when I was 20.

Chino Kapone
12-03-2008, 12:24 PM
20% of young americans, 100% of Wackbaggers.

WhiskeyWhispers
12-03-2008, 12:38 PM
Anyone that has half a brain is going to be fucked up in some way, shape or form. Only ignorance is truly bliss. Money helps fill the void, you can buy yourself a bunch of shit and run around vacationing to keep busy, but at the end of the day all it amounts to is doing things to keep us from contemplating too much. We have no idea why we are here or if there is even a reason at all. Sit and think about that for a minute. You'll go fucking nuts too.

I realize that there are established illnesses but most of this just seems to be part of what we are: too aware and smart for our own good.

BusyChild04
12-03-2008, 12:43 PM
Internal OCD (leads to anxiety attacks at times) , depression, anger management,

LiddyRules
12-03-2008, 12:48 PM
Well I sure as hell don't get it. Theres so much cool shit to do I can't think of a more fun time to be alive. And theres always the old fallback of pussy. Why? Because we have nifty video games and bigger TVs? It still doesn't make up for the shittiness of the world, the lack of significance in our own lives, the futile attempts of having a "good" day. If you can find good in your own life, more power to you. But this entire thing of existence really is a waste.

Consciousness really does suck. And no matter how many new gadgets we buy it won't fix the main problems that plague us simply because we have consciousness and can contemplate abstracts ideas.

Were things any better 20 years ago? I really doubt it (I was 6 though). Maybe it was. Maybe without the internet cheapening the thrill of discovery, showing us how piddly our achievements truly are, and the world being a larger yet more insular place leading to a greater sense of adventure the world was a better place for the individual. But I was 5. And I'm a fan of the 1920s. So I'm probably a terrible example.

bb1mobile
12-03-2008, 01:30 PM
Most of em just need a swift kick in the
ass and a few years in the military. That'll
straighten them right out.

DanaReevesLungs
12-03-2008, 01:45 PM
How many pharmaceutical companies sponsored this bullshit study?

We all have something or another wrong with us. No one is normal, because normal cannot defined. I never use my cell minutes, instead I rack up between 8K-10K (yes thousand) text messages a month. I'd just rather talk to someone in person. I'm sure some people find that odd. Fuck 'em!

LiddyRules
12-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Most of em just need a swift kick in the
ass and a few years in the military. That'll
straighten them right out. I'd choose depression over military.

Bagel Lord
12-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Emo is not a mental illness.

4.6CrownVic
12-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Internal OCD (leads to anxiety attacks at times) , depression, anger management,

Yup, pretty much the same thing here.

Fendbass22
12-03-2008, 02:21 PM
How many pharmaceutical companies sponsored this bullshit study?

We all have something or another wrong with us. No one is normal, because normal cannot defined. I never use my cell minutes, instead I rack up between 8K-10K (yes thousand) text messages a month. I'd just rather talk to someone in person. I'm sure some people find that odd. Fuck 'em!

Assuming 8hrs sleep a day thats 1 text every 2 minutes, 54 seconds.

Hudson
12-03-2008, 02:34 PM
20% of young americans, 100% of Wackbaggers.
:clap::clap::clap:I had soda go down the wrong tube on that one!!!!

Emo is not a mental illness.
Not unless being a Sullen Douchebag is suddenly a disease.

abudabit
12-03-2008, 02:35 PM
I blame anime, cheesy music, and video games.

BusyChild04
12-03-2008, 02:36 PM
Why? Because we have nifty video games and bigger TVs? It still doesn't make up for the shittiness of the world, the lack of significance in our own lives, the futile attempts of having a "good" day. If you can find good in your own life, more power to you. But this entire thing of existence really is a waste.

Consciousness really does suck. And no matter how many new gadgets we buy it won't fix the main problems that plague us simply because we have consciousness and can contemplate abstracts ideas.

great point. I even got myself a new dog (a pug) to help me get my mind off a certain bad thought/feeling. But even that doesn't take it away. I'm gonna go see my favorite band DJ on friday with my girlfriend but I'm not as excited as I should be. Consciousness does suck. All I want to do is sleep because when I sleep I don't think about the problem and that pain/weird feeling in my chest/gut goes away.

DanaReevesLungs
12-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Assuming 8hrs sleep a day thats 1 text every 2 minutes, 54 seconds.

That's about right. I may receive/send close to a dozen texts a minute to various people when I'm awake. And for me to sleep 8 hours is abnormal....more like 4-6 hours. I'm glad I have my night and day texters out there breaking up my monotony, or like Liddy put it, consciousness would absolutely fucking suck for me. The more I think about my current situation, the less I want to be here. Ever since my divorce life has been on a downward spiral. If it weren't for my friends I wouldn't have anything to look forward to.

Larz
12-03-2008, 07:35 PM
Why? Because we have nifty video games and bigger TVs? It still doesn't make up for the shittiness of the world,


Maybe without the internet cheapening the thrill of discovery, showing us how piddly our achievements truly are, and the world being a larger yet more insular place leading to a greater sense of adventure the world was a better place for the individual. But I was 5. And I'm a fan of the 1920s. So I'm probably a terrible example.

Technology is great but there are other things that make the world interesting if you take advantage of them. For instance Snowboarding season is about to go into full swing which gets me psyched. I'll also be doing quite a bit of ice fishing with the old man over Christmas in Norway (hopefully some hunting as well)... might sound stupid to most people but we find it fun.

One of my hobbies is studying pre-industrial civil engineering techniques so I plan vacations around visiting the most interesting sites. So far I've done the standards in Europe but theres still plenty left to see, not to mention Asia, South America, and Africa. All in all it would take me a lifetime to visit every site on my list. Gives me something to look forward to long into the future.

Life is just what you make of it I guess... there was a good stretch during school when life was sucking real hard. Tons of pressure and I was living off fucking ramen noodles. Things have really opened up now that I've been working for a couple of years... so it is possible for life to improve, but simply dwelling on the negatives won't help.

Owenay
12-03-2008, 08:25 PM
I'm actually surprised that 20% isn't closer 50%...

croscoe
12-03-2008, 08:58 PM
Probably. I don't want to see a shrink or whatever because what can they really tell me about myself? Fuck that shit @ $100 an hour or whatever. I think I have problems with paranoia and anxiety. I've been told I have anger problems too by a few douchebags, but what do they know?

DoucheMeister
12-03-2008, 09:20 PM
20% of young americans need to man up.

Ballbuster1
12-03-2008, 09:30 PM
20% of young Americans need to man up.
Yup. I'm telling ya... [angry old man] a kick in the ass and a few years in the military will straighten alot of them out. [angry old man]

THE FEZ MAN
12-03-2008, 10:59 PM
Yup. I'm telling ya... [angry old man] a kick in the ass and a few years in the military will straighten alot of them out. [angry old man]
yea we need another viet nam to clean up there ranks

Nortonsmeatytit
12-04-2008, 08:32 AM
I would agree w/this and say that at least 20% of all people under 20 are socially fucking retarded due to technology and abject shitty parenting, some of the young women I encounter in business are such fucking high maintenance tool boxes it's amazing they haven't just been slapped across the face from constant complaining at least once a day.

d0uche_n0zzle
12-04-2008, 09:13 AM
yea we need another viet nam to clean up there ranks

If Obama is forced to bring back the draft, what will his cult of Kool-Aid drinking followers do? "whaa"

Sprite
12-04-2008, 02:33 PM
anyone that has half a brain is going to be fucked up in some way, shape or form. Only ignorance is truly bliss. Money helps fill the void, you can buy yourself a bunch of shit and run around vacationing to keep busy, but at the end of the day all it amounts to is doing things to keep us from contemplating too much. We have no idea why we are here or if there is even a reason at all. Sit and think about that for a minute. You'll go fucking nuts too.

I realize that there are established illnesses but most of this just seems to be part of what we are: Too aware and smart for our own good.


damn good post!