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weakside
07-27-2009, 05:33 PM
NEW YORK -- Michael Vick was reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday and could play in regular-season games as early as October.

Vick can immediately participate in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games -- if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

"Needless to say, your margin for error is extremely limited," Goodell said in a letter to Vick. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you and to dedicate yourself to rebuilding your life and your career. If you do this, the NFL will support you."

Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback admitted bankrolling the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting operation. Goodell said then that Vick must show remorse and signs that he has changed before he would consider reinstating him.

"I accept that you are sincere when you say that you want to, and will, turn your life around, and that you intend to be a positive role model for others," Goodell added. "I am prepared to offer you that opportunity. Whether you succeed is entirely in your hands."

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19).

Goodell called a news conference for late Monday afternoon.

"I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League," Vick said through agent Joel Segal. "I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for the opportunity I have been given.

"As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I have made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward.

"Again, I want to thank the commissioner for the chance to return to the game I love and the opportunity to become an example of positive change."

The announcement came after a busy first week of freedom for Vick, who met with union leaders and Goodell on consecutive days last week. His 23-month federal sentence ended when an electronic monitor was removed from his ankle early on July 20 at his home in Hampton, Va.

He met with DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFL Players Association, last Tuesday and, on Wednesday, he sat down with Goodell at a security firm in Allendale, N.J.

But his issues are far from over. Already, the owners of the New York Giants and New York Jets said they have no interest in the 29-year-old quarterback, who once was the league's highest-paid player.

Vick needs to find a team so he can get himself out of financial ruin. He filed for bankruptcy protection last July, listing assets of about $16 million and debts of more than $20 million, and has a hearing about his plan to repay his creditors on Friday in Norfolk, Va. That plan is built around his ability to make NFL-type money again.

He's unlikely to command anything close to the 10-year, $130 million contract he once had with the Falcons, or to get endorsement deals after the grisly details of his involvement in the dogfighting ring.

Vick finally pleaded guilty after his three co-defendants had already done so. They told of how Vick participated in the killing of dogs that didn't perform well in test fights by shooting, hanging, drowning or slamming them to the ground.

Vick's appearances at federal court in Richmond, Va., all came with large groups of protestors outside. Many were with PETA and held signs depicting photographs of Pit Bulls ravaged in dogfights and decrying the brutality in the gruesome details that emerged in the case.

A smaller group came to show support for Vick wearing jerseys with his No. 7.

Vick has already taken some steps to begin rebuilding his image and showing remorse.

He met with the president of the Humane Society of the United States while serving the first 18 months of his federal sentence in the prison at Leavenworth, Kan. He plans to work with HSUS in a program designed to steer inner city youth away from dogfighting. He was not permitted to work with the program while in custody.

"It's been a long process," Segal said. "He's thrilled for the opportunity to resume his playing career. He understands he has a lot to prove."


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press, so you know it's true.

WarshCloth
07-27-2009, 05:37 PM
What a joke...thats way to long, he went to jail while others who did worse to HUMAN's did not...he's paid his debt...

d0uche_n0zzle
07-27-2009, 06:03 PM
Any teams willing to sign him... "whaa"

Stormrider666
07-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Any teams willing to sign him... "whaa"

From what I hear, no and I have been saying I don't think any team will.

Even though I said that I don't think Goodell should have punished him further, I don't have a problem with his decision. We have to remember that even though Vick did pay his debt to society, the NFL is a business and they can decide if they feel he hasn't paid his debt to them.

DoucheMeister
07-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Someone will sign him.

Absolutely
07-27-2009, 06:55 PM
Someone will sign him.

I would love if the Rams signed him. They need speed and overall athleticism, he can play 10 snaps a game or something behind Bulger. It's a different look, I'd love it.

Plus it's not a HUGE media market, they aren't expected to do anything, he could fly low.

The suspension thing is a joke, like basically 90% of sports commentators are saying. He went to jail, lost millions, etc and now Goodell has to show his pimp-hand.

He's "Protecting the league" by not making Vick the face of the first few weeks of the season? Because his absence won't be talked about, and it's not going to be just as big of a deal if/when someone has him on the field in week 6.

Ballbuster1
07-27-2009, 07:17 PM
Someone will sign him.
I'm sure some team will. Maybe not as a starting qb but he'll get a job.

No problem here with him getting back into the league.
He paid the price put on his head. Time to move on.

Aaron Burrito
07-27-2009, 07:18 PM
I wonder how his hands are, he'd be a good slot receiver. Short routes, get him in open space and let him do his thing.

jagsfans
07-28-2009, 12:46 AM
All the commentators are trying to cram him down the Jags throats. I think he would be an excellent fit in SF or TB.

Chino Kapone
07-28-2009, 01:00 AM
All the commentators are trying to cram him down the Jags throats. I think he would be an excellent fit in SF or TB.

Fuck that. The last thing the Jags need is a headcase like Vick. Del Rio would put him in his place... but I doubt the team is strong enough to have a personality like Vick on there.

I do like Absolutely's idea of going to the Rams. No way Singletary would put up with him in San Fran either...

TravisRB69
07-28-2009, 01:09 AM
I guess he's been "unleashed" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BravoSierra
07-28-2009, 01:23 AM
I guess he's been "unleashed" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Good god, that made me cringe. Then I saw you're from Montana so you're ok in my book.

AtlantaHardcore
07-28-2009, 01:32 AM
Even though I said that I don't think Goodell should have punished him further, I don't have a problem with his decision. We have to remember that even though Vick did pay his debt to society, the NFL is a business and they can decide if they feel he hasn't paid his debt to them.

He tortured dogs to death. He got off easy. I hope someone snaps his neck.

Fustercluck
07-28-2009, 01:50 AM
fuck that monkey. i hope he rots away into obscurity.

Debbie1125
07-28-2009, 12:35 PM
He tortured dogs to death. He got off easy. I hope someone snaps his neck.

x2 Hope some team's defense does a Darryl Stingley on this piece of human waste.

Stormrider666
07-28-2009, 01:22 PM
He tortured dogs to death. He got off easy. I hope someone snaps his neck.

Yes what Vick did was heinous. But he paid his debt to society. The NFL has to give him the same opportunity to play, that they gave guys who have committed domestic crimes and killed people while drinking and driving. Example: Leonard Little.

weakside
07-28-2009, 01:22 PM
I actually have the minority opinion that Goodell did Vick a favor by suspending him until week six. Look, any team that signs him is going to face a shit-storm of controversy. Perhaps by week six some of that controversy will have subsided and his return will at least be competing with whatever other stories are going on in the middle of the season. Yes, it will obviously still be the lead, but not as much as if he came back in week one where that would be the only real story of the season at that point.

As well, I’m not sure how many teams will actually be bidding for his services. He has shown no interest in playing WR and he was not a very good QB. As well, the one asset he had, speed, will likely have diminished somewhat since he was in the NFL. Plus, the Wildcat gimmick will eventually be figured out by then. This is the NFL, not college ball. Taking everything into account, I just not sure where he is going to fit in.

Stormrider666
07-28-2009, 01:31 PM
I actually have the minority opinion that Goodell did Vick a favor by suspending him until week six. Look, any team that signs him is going to face a shit-storm of controversy. Perhaps by week six some of that controversy will have subsided and his return will at least be competing with whatever other stories are going on in the middle of the season. Yes, it will obviously still be the lead, but not as much as if he came back in week one where that would be the only real story of the season at that point.

As well, I’m not sure how many teams will actually be bidding for his services. He has shown no interest in playing WR and he was not a very good QB. As well, the one asset he had, speed, will likely have diminished somewhat since he was in the NFL. Plus, the Wildcat gimmick will eventually be figured out by then. This is the NFL, not college ball. Taking everything into account, I just not sure where he is going to fit in.

Some commentators really need to stop overvaluing the wildcat. It wasn't like that system helped a team win the Super Bowl last year.

Aaron Burrito
07-28-2009, 01:53 PM
Yes what Vick did was heinous. But he paid his debt to society. The NFL has to give him the same opportunity to play, that they gave guys who have committed domestic crimes and killed people while drinking and driving. Example: Leonard Little.

Scott Van Pelt made an interesting point, he said that if he had committed this crime and after he got out called the head of ESPN and said he was ready to do sport center again the executive would hang up on him. To think that you can commit the crimes that Vick did, serve your time and go right back to what you were doing before hand is a little ridiculous. 99% of the time your previous employer wouldn't rehire you.

askewcore
07-28-2009, 01:59 PM
99% of the time your previous employer wouldn't rehire you.

But 99.8% of the people in this country can't play quaterback in the NFL. Not saying it's right, but still. I find what he did to be despicable, but he was found guilty in a court and served the sentence the court thought was appropriate for his crimes. He filed for bankruptcy, and lost most everything he had (again, he deserves it) but to continue to punish him by taking away his livelihood is overkill.

And techinically, his previous employer (the Atlanta Falcons) told him to fuck off anyway.

Aaron Burrito
07-28-2009, 03:05 PM
But 99.8% of the people in this country can't play quaterback in the NFL. Not saying it's right, but still. I find what he did to be despicable, but he was found guilty in a court and served the sentence the court thought was appropriate for his crimes. He filed for bankruptcy, and lost most everything he had (again, he deserves it) but to continue to punish him by taking away his livelihood is overkill.

And techinically, his previous employer (the Atlanta Falcons) told him to fuck off anyway.

He can't play QB either. If he was the CEO of IBM before he went to jail I'm sure AT&T wouldn't hire him as CEO after he got out.


Personally I don't give a shit but it make for an interesting argument.

AtlantaHardcore
07-28-2009, 10:31 PM
Yes what Vick did was heinous. But he paid his debt to society.

No he didn't. That's what I meant by "he got off easy". Celebrities almost never get what they deserve when it comes to sentencing.

VMS
07-28-2009, 11:34 PM
No he didn't. That's what I meant by "he got off easy". Celebrities almost never get what they deserve when it comes to sentencing.

Ummm... name me one person who spent more than a year in jail for dogfighting, not named Michael Vick.

I'll wait for that one.

VMS
07-28-2009, 11:41 PM
Scott Van Pelt made an interesting point, he said that if he had committed this crime and after he got out called the head of ESPN and said he was ready to do sport center again the executive would hang up on him. To think that you can commit the crimes that Vick did, serve your time and go right back to what you were doing before hand is a little ridiculous. 99% of the time your previous employer wouldn't rehire you.

... and if you listened to Colin Cowherd earlier today, you'd got the different perspective: My job, SVP's job, and in all likelihood SVP's job are interchangeable. I could do another job on the same basic level that I do my current job just as well, and someone who is on my level in a completely different field could probably come in and do my job as well as I do it. The vast majority of jobs (even SVP's) are interchangeable cogs in the economic machine.

You cannot as easily replace intrinsic talent and ability. No matter how hard we train, none of us is going to play in the NFL. We're not going to be winning gold medals in the Olympics. We're not going to be the next Jackson Pollock. We're not going to be the next Michael Jackson (in terms of music, at least...).

Michael Vick is of an incredibly small pool of people as athletically gifted as he is/was. I saw the dude play in person. I've watched a shitload of college and pro games. And Vick was at the top 0.1% of the football players I've seen, and those football players were at the top 1% of the football players out there.

Right or not, people with special gifts are treated differently. It's just the way it is. If you're just another faceless drone in the sea of humanity, you get replaced if you fuck up. If you have a special talent, a special ability that very few people have, then you're going to get second chances.

Aaron Burrito
07-28-2009, 11:44 PM
Ummm... name me one person who spent more than a year in jail for dogfighting, not named Michael Vick.

I'll wait for that one.

That's the thing, all anyone mentions is the dog fighting but there was a lot more going on. Namely money laundering and racketeering.

Sinn Fein
07-28-2009, 11:48 PM
Ummm... name me one person who spent more than a year in jail for dogfighting, not named Michael Vick.

I'll wait for that one.

One of his codefendants did 21 months.

Stormrider666
07-29-2009, 06:34 PM
No he didn't. That's what I meant by "he got off easy". Celebrities almost never get what they deserve when it comes to sentencing.

20 months in a federal prison for dog fighting, money laundering, and rackteering isn't enough time for you. Lets remember, he pleaded guilty to the charges. The judge handed out the sentence that fell in the guidelines of the plea agreement.

DonTheTrucker
07-31-2009, 02:05 AM
20 months in a federal prison for dog fighting, money laundering, and rackteering isn't enough time for you. Lets remember, he pleaded guilty to the charges. The judge handed out the sentence that fell in the guidelines of the plea agreement.

The Federal Sentencing System is very rigid on what the guidelines are, but there is still room in there for deals. This whole case was a way for some US Attorney to make a name for himself.

If one of us were doing the same thing, it wouldn't even be picked up by the feds and we'd get a year in jail max with no criminal record.

Vick more than paid his debt. Let him come back and be a failure like he was destined to be anyway.