big time 'skins/broncos trade in the works!

[wackadoo]

man the nfc east is looking scary!! there'll be alot of competition for 2nd place. :antsmile:

Source: Broncos, Redskins discuss Portis-for-Bailey swap

By JOHN MOSSMAN, AP Sports Writer
February 23, 2004
DENVER (AP) -- The Denver Broncos are discussing a trade that would send running back Clinton Portis to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey, a swap of two Pro Bowlers upset with their contracts, a source said Monday.

In giving up Portis for Bailey, Denver also would receive Washington's second-round selection in the April draft, the NFL source told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Vinny Cerrato, Washington's player personnel director, said at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis: ``We are talking to a number of teams and Denver is one of the teams.'' He wouldn't name the player.

Jack Reale, Bailey's agent, said the Redskins have talked with several teams, including Detroit, the New York Jets, Houston, Chicago and Arizona.

``We have had preliminary discussions with the Broncos and with other teams as well, just on the broad outlines of a contract,'' Reale said. ``I can't go into detail until I know what team we're going to be dealing with.''

The negotiations with Portis were first reported in The Denver Post.

The Redskins have protected Bailey, who can become a free agent on March 3, by designating him their franchise player. That means the Redskins must make him a one-year, $6.8 million tender, the average of the top five players at his position.

Portis has two years remaining on the contract he signed as a second-round draft pick in 2002. Displeased with the $300,000 he made last season, he has hinted he might be a holdout when training camp starts unless the Broncos rework his deal.

The deal would make sense because the Redskins went last season without an every-down running back, a must in the offensive system favored by new coach Joe Gibbs. Portis ran for 1,591 yards last year despite missing three games with chest and ankle injuries.

Portis' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined comment and the Broncos did not return a call seeking comment.

AP Sports Writer Joseph White contributed to this story.

[IRISHJERICHO]

I actually think denver can make a 1,000 runner out of anyone look at the past Davis,Gary,Anderson , and now Portis I still think the Redskins benifit more from this trade.:drunk:

[PJ']

Denver can make a runner out of everyone but only to good ones can do it back to back. Anderson and Gary were one hit wonders and now they are nobodies. Clinton Portis is easily one of the top 5 backs in the league and his big play ability alone will change the face of the Redskins.

Trading Champ is a very smart thing to do. Champ may be one of the best cover corners in the league but he still lacks big play ability. Very rarely does he ever make interceptions so even with his cover skills, he doesn't take advantage of his oppurtunities when the ball is thrown to him.

The Skins without a doubt get the better part of the deal and with this would allow them to draft defense. I pray it's Sean Taylor out of Miami. Teaming him with Laavar Arrington would make the Redskins defense very formidable.

Now, if they could only fix that d-line....

[Sblueman Radio]

If this deal does fall thru there have been rumors for a Champ Bailey for Shaun Alexander. Either way the Redskins get the big play back they crave.

[chewonmysac]

Denver should be giving us a second round pick. this is a bad trade for the skins who need young, cheap and something to prove attitude instead of these overpriced salary cap killers. Portis is the BOMB but there are so many needs. Trade Bailey for some picks (1st and 2nd round)This really looks great on a Fantasy team but not in real life. Dan Synder was the kid everybody flicked boogers on in school. It really pisses me off that Dan cannot plan for the next 5 years and only makes decisions looking for a quick fix. I know this isn't the right forum
but I can't control myself anymore.
FU to Dan Synder


Skins Fan For Life :cool3:

[LOGAN]

well if i was gonna blow money as the skins owner i would sure have done it on bailey or portis not brunell. thats for sure. why when you have possibly to promisiing qb's do you sign the guy for 7 years. he wont hold up for four years . hell he will be lucky to survive this year if the o line plays like it did last year and you guys get no running. at least portis' future is in front oh him unlike brunell's. im not a brunell hater and i agree snyder doesnt know how to build a team but at least with those two guys you would have building blocks. i think that trade is very good for both teams and will unltimately benefit the redskins a whole lot more than the broncos.

[wackadoo]

the skins problems are that they are stocked in offensive skill position, but their o-line sucks and their D was terrible, now they lose baily? blech!


go birds

[Ballbuster1]

I don't think the NFC East is going to be easy for the
Birds this year. Skins got Gibbs back and the Boys are
into their 2nd year with Parcells. things are gonna
tighten up now. Should be a good season.

[PJ']

Originally posted by wackadoo
the skins problems are that they are stocked in offensive skill position, but their o-line sucks and their D was terrible, now they lose baily? blech!

You are very misguided and it is most likely because of your die hard love of the Eagles. The offensive line for the Redskins is not bad at all. They two bookend tackles are top 10 in their position. Randy Thomas is an excellent offensive guard and I believe he made the Pro Bowl. The problem with the 'Skins last year was the scheme. It is basic fundamental football that you cannot block 7 with 5 and b/c the Ol' Ball Coach refused to chip d-ends or keep a tight end back, the 'Skins were furiously blitzed and the offensive line looked bad b/c of it. Of course anyone with any knowledge of football could see that the offensive line should not be blamed it all in poor scheming.

The Redskins losing Baily isn't the end of the world. The new defense incorparated by Greg Williams is a 46 and all it requires is that the cornerbacks can provide fair coverage. The brunt of the work comes down to the linebackers and the saftey who is moved up. Lavaar Arrington is arguably the fastest and most athletic LB in the league and can cover sideline to sideline as well as anyone. The key to the defense is drafting a saftey who can play both up at the line of scrimmage and cover as well. That is why drafting Sean Taylor with #5 pick makes the most sense as he can fill a substantial void and play immediantly.

Dan Snyder, yes is a fanboy, but he is doing something smart this year. He is letting Gibbs run the show. Gibbs wants it, Snyder gets it. Nothing now can be attributed to Snyder except for maybe the departure of Bailey which good for both parties. If the Eagles don't fill their pressing need at WR and LB, it could be much closer in the NFC East.

[wackadoo]

arington is one of the most overrated LBs in the nfl (IMO). along with trotter.

you forget, the redskins are in cap trouble. this upcoming season, i think, will be a rebuilding year. 05-06 will be a good year for them. (once again IMO)

[PJ']

Umm.. The 'Skins are now 11 million under the cap after releasing Armstead, Smith and others. Then with the trade of Bailey will further get them under it. The 'Skins will be able to sign one more big free agent.

Arrington to some is overrated but I think he has really been used wrong in the 5 years he's been in the league. He is a MLB naturally and could be one of the best if they actually move him there. Continuity is a very important and underrated part of football and 5 different defenses in 5 years sure as hell ruins that. I think you will see Arrington break out this year and hopefully they cut Trotter too...

[wackadoo]

Originally posted by PJ'
Umm.. The 'Skins are now 11 million under the cap after releasing Armstead, Smith and others. Then with the trade of Bailey will further get them under it. The 'Skins will be able to sign one more big free agent. you're right. i posted that before i knew about the releasing.

but seriously, do you think the 'skins are better then the eagles? or the cowboys? lol i don't think so.

[LOGAN]

Originally posted by wackadoo
you're right. i posted that before i knew about the releasing.

but seriously, do you think the 'skins are better then the eagles? or the cowboys? lol i don't think so.

thats what everyone said about the cowboys before last season. :hi2:

[chewonmysac]

Eagles= Choking Chicken "It's over for them Wackadoo"

The Bills err I mean the Eagles stink

I'll see u in Yahoofantasybaseball:loll2:

[wackadoo]

Originally posted by PJ'
Umm.. The 'Skins are now 11 million under the cap after releasing Armstead, Smith and others. thats true...but i've been thinking.."yes the redskins are $11mill under the cap. but they have to sign their draft pix...that 3 mill...that leaves 8mill." the skins have more holes to fix then 8mill will cover.

that's what i mean by cap trouble.


**i am drunk right now...if htis post doen'y make sense i will clear it up tomorrow.

[PJ']

Originally posted by wackadoo
thats true...but i've been thinking.."yes the redskins are $11mill under the cap. but they have to sign their draft pix...that 3 mill...that leaves 8mill." the skins have more holes to fix then 8mill will cover.

that's what i mean by cap trouble.


Every team has more holes then the cap will cover. The Cowboys had holes on their defense to but b/c of the schemes they ran and every single player playing 110% every week they were able to cover them up. Their d-line is average, linebackers small, and have a above average secondary but were the #1 ranked defense in the league b/c of their coordinator and playing unselfish football. The Redskins could do the same with their new defense this year. Sign a proven defensive end and sign a few role players to fill in the other gaps and they could turn it around. The NFL is all about parody now and a team that goes 5-11 one year could win the super bowl the next.

You alsomight want to direct your comment about too many holes at the Eagles as well. The defense is falling apart before your very eyes. The secondary is old and will probably cut everyone but Dawkins back there and bring in 2 guys who played sparringly last year. The linebackers are so so and your d-line is still looking for an end to replace the production left by Hugh Douglas. Not to mention your need for a RB and desperatly needing a true #1 WR. I'm not trying to rip the Eagles, as long as they have McNaab they'll always be a contender, but he can only take you so far before everything catches up to you

[wackadoo]

Originally posted by PJ'
You alsomight want to direct your comment about too many holes at the Eagles as well. The defense is falling apart before your very eyes. The secondary is old and will probably cut everyone but Dawkins back there and bring in 2 guys who played sparringly last year. The linebackers are so so and your d-line is still looking for an end to replace the production left by Hugh Douglas. Not to mention your need for a RB and desperatly needing a true #1 WR. I'm not trying to rip the Eagles, as long as they have McNaab they'll always be a contender, but he can only take you so far before everything catches up to you you couldn't be more wrong. i'll give ya the linebackers and a number1WR. but the D-line was WRECKED with injuries. and cornerbacks who played sparingly? wrong again, sheppard and brown started atleast half the games and probably played in all of them. and their SS michael lewis will not be cut.

if you remember right, up until hollis brown got injured the eagles was like 4th in the league against the run and in october there so-so ML simenea(sp?) was defensive player of the month. so you might say the injuries had a part in their subpar play the second half. oh and do no forget the injury to emmons..that was huge!

i'm not saying they'll be back where they've been, but the eagles are still a very good team who'll be in the playoffs again. you can bet it.You are very misguided and it is most likely because of your die hard love of the Eagles. sounds like you're the same way. a misguided redskins fan. but that cool. thats why we're fans

[PJ']

Originally posted by wackadoo
sounds like you're the same way. a misguided redskins fan. but that cool. thats why we're fans

I'm actually not a 'Skins fan believe it or not. Just a football maniac. I just like to debate football and will do so at any chance I get. Also, you never know about the Eagles going back to the playoffs. Shit, they started what like 1-3 before McNaab turned it on and for the past three super bowl winners (excluding this years Pats) missed the playoffs the following year. You never know with the NFL but I think the Eagles will always be dangerous with McNaab around.

[Ballbuster1]

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[wackadoo]

shit i forgot to welcome you PJ'!! WELCOME!!!

i was caught up in our debate!! i look forward to more debates.:liljim:

[LOGAN]

well baring an act of god looks like its getting done

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1748249

[IRISHJERICHO]

Skins are looking good after first day of free agent signing this divison is going to be tough:drunk:

[Marye]

With Gibbs back (yeah I'm old school Skins fan!) I may actually watch football this year! The Lord of the Rings is back! (Super Bowl rings that is):clap: Now if little Danny can keep his nose out of Joe's business.........

[LOGAN]

Originally posted by Marye
With Gibbs back (yeah I'm old school Skins fan!) I may actually watch football this year! The Lord of the Rings is back! (Super Bowl rings that is):clap: Now if little Danny can keep his nose out of Joe's business.........

i can see gibbs definetly keeping ol dan out of his team. hes like parcells and jones. how many times did you see jerry on the sidelines this year at the end of the game. not to many.