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mainliner
03-15-2004, 05:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3511678.stm
Astronomers discover 'new planet'
Astronomers have detected what could be the Solar System's 10th planet.
It was first seen by astronomers using California's Mount Palomar Observatory, and has been given the name "Sedna" after the Inuit goddess of the ocean.

Observations show it measures about 1,180-2,360km (730-1,470 miles) across, making it similar in size to Pluto.

Astronomers now say they have evidence that Sedna has its own moon, although this needs to be confirmed, and is also very red in colour.

There is likely to be some debate about whether it qualifies as a true planet, but some scientists are already saying it re-defines our Solar System.

Further than Pluto

Sedna, or 2003 VB12, as it was originally designated, is the most distant object yet found orbiting our Sun. It is three times further away than Pluto (average distance to the Sun is 5.9 billion km or 3.6 billion miles).


It was discovered using the Mt Palomar facility in November by astronomers from the California Institute of Technology, Yale Observatory and the Gemini Observatory.
Dr Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology, US, leader of the research team that found the body, said he did not believe it was a true planet.

He suggested this "planetoid" is about half rock and half ice mixed together, but further work is needed to verify this.

The scientists say that its rotation on itself is relatively slow, suggesting it could have a satellite in orbit around it.

Follow-up studies by the Tanagra Observatory have measured the thermal radiation coming from Sedna to determine how hot it is, and therefore provide some estimate of its size.

Researchers believe that Sedna's surface temperature is about -240 degrees Celsius (-400 degrees Fahrenheit).


Click here to see Sedna's size and distance from the sun
This estimate is uncertain but the object is likely to be between half the diameter of Pluto (2,360km or 1,470 miles) and Pluto's size; though some astronomers think it could be larger than the ninth planet itself.

From the observations made so far, astronomers have determined Sedna's orbit to be a very large one.

It is currently 90 times the Earth-Sun distance away (149 million km or 93 million miles), but its orbit can take it 10 times further away still.

Small worlds

Although Sedna could be a so-called Kuiper Belt object, its discoverers are unsure if it is as they consider it to be unlike any other object yet found.

The KB contains hundreds of known objects and astronomers believe there are many more awaiting discovery. Most are small worlds of rock and ice but some could rival Pluto in size.
In recent years, astronomical work has thrown up several big objects. Quaoar, found in 2002, is about 1,200km (745 miles) across. Ixion, discovered in 2001, is 1,065 km (660 miles) wide. Varuna, detected in 2000, has a diameter of approximately 900 km (560 miles).

And only in February this year, scientists picked up the object 2004 DW, which is though to be 1,800km (1,120 miles) across.

Is it a planet?

The new discovery will reignite the debate about what constitutes a planet.

One group of astronomers believe that Pluto is not a true planet but merely one of the largest of a vast number of minor objects in the outer Solar System.

The alternative standpoint is that Pluto is a planet and those who believe that will have to classify Sedna as the 10th planet.

The name Sedna has been provided by its discoverers.


However, if its planetary status is confirmed, it may be that astronomy's governing body, the International Astronomical Union, will want to reconsider this, to make it more consistent with the mythological names of other planets.

mascan42
03-15-2004, 05:13 PM
Well this shoots Spaz's theory about the parallel solar system to hell.

wideback retard
03-15-2004, 06:55 PM
Who the hell named it Sedna? I thought we were supposed to use the Roman God system.

MrSquidlow
03-15-2004, 09:00 PM
Sedna was the roman godess of cheese.
Lesser known godess, but still very important.

Rob
03-15-2004, 09:09 PM
cool...

MrSquidlow
03-15-2004, 09:14 PM
Sedna ...Named for the Inuit goddess who created the sea creatures of the Arctic

wackadoo
03-15-2004, 10:56 PM
i may be mistaken but didn't they know about 10th planet years ago?

i swear i remember hearing about it before.

robification
03-15-2004, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by wackadoo
i may be mistaken but didn't they know about 10th planet years ago?

i swear i remember hearing about it before.

i remember hearing about it's discovery when i was in grade school... then again in high school.... then again a little after that.... and now....

what makes this one different is tht they are not saying that it might be a moon for pluto

personally, i think they keep finding pixie dust and making up some story about it...


one thing that confuses me... if this thing is 1470 miles in diameter(shorter than the ditance of the US eastern coast), then what the hell is the difference between an asteroid and a planet?

Boston Funbags
03-16-2004, 12:45 AM
then what the hell is the difference between an asteroid and a planet?

Well you should thank your lucky stars (wocka wocka wocka) that I happen to have the answer from a website my C of a professor put up!

Asteroids: Early Solar System objects that never combined into a planet. Can be stony or iron-nickel.

OK, I'm done with my li'l geek session.

robification
03-16-2004, 01:03 AM
not a very good definition....

an object which CAN be stony or iron-nickel that isnt a planet.... then what the hell is a planet? by that definition, mercury can be an asteroid(if there is no definition to planet)

websters....


plan·et ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plnt)
n.
A nonluminous celestial body larger than an asteroid or comet, illuminated by light from a star, such as the sun, around which it revolves. In the solar system there are nine known planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.

as·ter·oid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st-roid)
n.
Astronomy. Any of numerous small celestial bodies that revolve around the sun, with orbits lying chiefly between Mars and Jupiter and characteristic diameters between a few and several hundred kilometers. Also called minor planet, planetoid.

so an asteroid is something that hasnt become a planet.... a planet is larger than an asteroid....


i really am confused

Ballbuster1
03-16-2004, 07:39 AM
as·ter·oid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st-roid)
n.
Astronomy. Any of numerous small celestial bodies that revolve around the sun, with orbits lying chiefly between Mars and Jupiter and characteristic diameters between a few and several hundred kilometers. Also called minor planet, planetoid.
So a planet's not an asteroid, but an asteroid can be a planet, but just a minor one. "whaa"

robification
03-16-2004, 12:28 PM
i cant believe i'm truly questioning what a plent is as opposed to an asteroid... and i wouldnt have if they didnt (possibly) classify this new thing as a planet...

i always thought planet = big... asteroid = small

but now i'm learning small can mean small planet even though there are asteroids larger than it which also revolve around the sun.

i'm just as confused as you, BB

mainliner
03-17-2004, 04:34 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994780
The World's No.1 Science & Technology News Service



Mystery of far-out planetoid deepens


15:00 16 March 04

NewScientist.com news service

The most distant object ever seen in the Solar System appears to be even stranger than first suggested, after astronomers revealed full details of the discovery.

Nicknamed Sedna, for an Inuit goddess of the sea, the object lies three times as far from the Sun as Pluto and appears to be about three-quarters Pluto's size.

But orbital observations suggest it strays much further - more than 10 times its current distance - on an elliptical orbit that takes more than 10,500 years to complete.

That extreme distance makes Sedna's discoverers believe it may be the first ever sighting of an object orbiting in the remote Oort Cloud. This is a theoretical collection of icy bodies that surrounds the Solar System in a spherical shell from an unknown distance beyond Pluto to as far as several thousand times Pluto's distance from the Sun.


Newborn planets


The Oort Cloud objects are thought to have formed around Jupiter's current orbit when the Solar System condensed from a dense gas cloud 4.6 billion years ago.

But the newborn gas giant planets are thought to have disturbed the remaining objects sometime in the Solar System's first 100 million years. Some were pushed into the Sun, others into interstellar space, and the rest into the current Oort Cloud.

The cloud is thought to contain as many as 10 trillion comets, some of which, like Halley, occasionally get nudged toward the Sun by passing stars. Sedna actually lies about 10 times closer than the expected inner bounds of the Oort Cloud, so the discovery team believes a star moving near the Sun a few billion years ago pushed it into its observed orbit.

"This is the first good direct evidence that the Sun formed in a cluster of stars," said co-discoverer Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology.


Flat ring


But other astronomers are not so sure. Sedna may be the same type of object as Pluto, which is the largest known Kuiper-Belt Object, or KBO. The Kuiper Belt is a flat ring of ice and rock also left over from the birth of the Solar System that stretches outwards from Neptune to just beyond Pluto.

About 800 Kuiper-Belt Objects (KBOs) have been discovered since 1992, some with predicted orbits that would take them as far as 150 billion kilometres from the Sun, beyond Sedna.

"My belief is this object belongs to the Kuiper Belt," says astronomer Kathrin Altwegg of the University of Bern in Switzerland. She cites the fact that the object lies in the orbital plane of the planets - the same as all KBOs. In contrast, Oort Cloud comets come from any direction in the sky.

Sedna's 1700-kilometre diameter also argues against an Oort Cloud origin, she says - comets arriving from the cloud are usually less than 100 km in size. "Small objects are kicked out farther than large objects," she explains.


Gaping holes


Sedna's discovery highlights the gaping holes in astronomers' understanding of where the Kuiper Belt ends and the Oort Cloud begins. "In principle, the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud are the same thing," Altwegg says.

The Oort Cloud objects, which formed near giant planets Jupiter and Saturn, were simply pushed further out during the Solar System's tumultuous early years.

Sedna was discovered on 14 November 2003 using a 1.2-metre, wide-field telescope on Palomar Mountain near San Diego, California, US. Other telescopes around the world soon confirmed the observation, but NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope failed to detect heat from the object.

That told astronomers Sedna must be under 1700 km wide, about three-quarters Pluto's size. This is not big enough to be called a planet, Brown says, preferring to use the term planetoid.

The new object may be trailed by a tiny moon and has a temperature of -240ýC - the coldest known object in the Solar System.


Maggie McKee

mainliner
03-17-2004, 04:36 PM
i know im beating this to death but ehy ima science geek
but when you read something like this it gets your interest
"an elliptical orbit that takes more than 10,500 years to complete."

and the fact that its orbit takes it inside the Ort cloud which pretty much crosses out any chance of life on that planet

Boston Funbags
03-17-2004, 09:51 PM
Sorry about the shitty definition, I (as well as my C professor) stink.

PS: Gaping holes huh huh huh (Butthead laugh)

wackadoo
03-17-2004, 10:42 PM
its actaully a planetoid.

and it may also be armymad's home world.