Looks like Bush won. (Merged)

[phishman3579]

It looks like Bush won the election. Tomorrow is going to be the first time in years I will listen to Howard. I bet tomorrow is the day he gets fired, he's gonna go crazy. I don't know what he'll do but I bet it will be great fodder for OnA.

[ryan lambert]

it's the christian right's fault. we're fucking doomed

[Ballbuster1]

Hoo Hoo.......I'm done for now, Robin. I need to find the cave Osama
is living in so we can hide out together.........Hoo Hoo :icon_roll

[Sinn Fein]

I can't describe how pleased I am this morning. Perhaps the best part is that Howard Stern and all the other celebrity douchebags have to suck it up.

[Smoke]

I can't describe how pleased I am this morning. Perhaps the best part is that Howard Stern and all the other celebrity douchebags have to suck it up.

I hope ONA get a copy of Hoo-Hoo's show and play some clips tomorrow, it will be funny to hash Hoo-Hoo's hate together with some music...

[wakeboardfit]

when I was listening to Stern pre-Oct 4th, Robin kept saying that if Bush won she would leave the country, hmmmm, i wonder if that will actually happen. I'm sure she'll fall into the long list of celebrities that claimed they would leave if Bush won the last election and didn't.

[Taso]

What I hate even more is if Kerry ends up winning, That pompous ass will be like "Hoo hoo, see Kerry owes me big, i won him the election robin"

[ih8Uboo-boo]

What I hate even more is if Kerry ends up winning, That pompous ass will be like "Hoo hoo, see Kerry owes me big, i won him the election robin"
At what point do you think that howard realized that he didn't affect this election AT ALL???

[EdC]

when I was listening to Stern pre-Oct 4th, Robin kept saying that if Bush won she would leave the country, hmmmm, i wonder if that will actually happen. I'm sure she'll fall into the long list of celebrities that claimed they would leave if Bush won the last election and didn't.
That cackling nothing definitely needs to go golf somewhere else.

[Darkstar]

it's the christian right's fault. we're fucking doomed
Christian right is something like 3-5% of all voters. They have little if any power, but it is typically blown way out of proportion.

I like to ask "who is the Christian right? " is there a membership card? How can you join

[MikeyP]

I can't describe how pleased I am this morning. Perhaps the best part is that Howard Stern and all the other celebrity douchebags have to suck it up.

:clap:

side note: I'm not a big Bush supporter anymore, but I'd rather chew my own foot off than vote for Kerry, or just about any Liberal. I guess I'm an "ABK".

But your comment is spot on.

[EdC]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.main/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137486,00.html

Bush then called DNC CHAIRMAN Terry McAuliffe to say "Look what I did to you ... again."

[mascan42]

According to CNN, Kerry called Bush about 20 minutes ago to concede the election.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.main/index.html

[yambaggler]

According to CNN, Kerry called Bush about 20 minutes ago to concede the election.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.main/index.html
smart move by kerry to avoid what could be a greater cluster fuck. i, like many am not a big fan of bush or kerry, but since this is now done with all i ask is that the nation works as a whole to get the middle east cleaned up and concentrate on all of the problems we have at home

[EdC]

My guess is that Kerry was smart enough to learn from Gore's mistakes. Gore essentially litigated himself into political obscurity. By gracefully conceding Kerry gives himself some chance next time around though we know the Clinton Dems will fight it big time.

[Smoke]

My guess is that Kerry was smart enough to learn from Gore's mistakes. Gore essentially litigated himself into political obscurity. By gracefully conceding Kerry gives himself some chance next time around though we know the Clinton Dems will fight it big time.

Once somebody loses the big race they rarely make it successful a second time, I think Nixon is the rarity.

[Blaxicab]

Hoo Hoo.......I'm done for now, Robin. I need to find the cave Osama
is living in so we can hide out together.........Hoo Hoo :icon_roll
I invented hiding in caves Robin. Hoo Hoo

[Blaxicab]

My guess is that Kerry was smart enough to learn from Gore's mistakes. Gore essentially litigated himself into political obscurity. By gracefully conceding Kerry gives himself some chance next time around though we know the Clinton Dems will fight it big time.
True, but in 2008, Kerry will be up against Darth Hillary. I highly doubt that he would get the Democratic nod being up against her.

[MonstrRainmakr]

smart move by kerry to avoid what could be a greater cluster fuck. i, like many am not a big fan of bush or kerry, but since this is now done with all i ask is that the nation works as a whole to get the middle east cleaned up and concentrate on all of the problems we have at home


I agree yambaggler, I don't like Bush, but it's a fresh start. I'm fairly confident something else will go wrong, but i'm also naively hoping we can start to bring the country together. It was certainly not a "sweep" by Bush. I know alot of people who voted for him simply because he was the incumbent and people fear change, especially given the current state of things. I know a few people who even voted for him in order to give him a second chance! Holy shit! He F's things up and people go "well, lets give him another shot." I'm speechless.

1000+ Americans have died but gay people here can't even get married. So i guess Iraqi's are more gooder than gays. And we've captured the only guy who could keep those shit sticks in line. They're F-ing crazy, why do you think he had to gas them. And those weren't mobile WMD labs, they were Fing ice cream trucks.

[EdC]

Once somebody loses the big race they rarely make it successful a second time, I think Nixon is the rarity.
And no baseball team can come back from 3 games down in a 7 game series. But if you pull a Gore you have no chance. Americans have short memories. Kerry now has 4 years to look a little bit more consistent and a little less leftist, less negative, less bitter. My bet is that is exactly what he will be doing. When push comes to shove I don't see the Dems. trying to push Cankle Clinton. She inspires too much hate in too many people.

[Blaxicab]

And no baseball team can come back from 3 games down in a 7 game series. But if you pull a Gore you have no chance. Americans have short memories. Kerry now has 4 years to look a little bit more consistent and a little less leftist, less negative, less bitter. My bet is that is exactly what he will be doing. When push comes to shove I don't see the Dems. trying to push Cankle Clinton. She inspires too much hate in too many people.
Ah, you would be surprised at how many Democrats love old pumpkin legs, especially here in NY. She's really loved by alot of people, myself however not being one of them. After thinking about this for a few hours, I doubt Kerry will run again. If anything Edwards might, but Kerry will probably be done for. Just my opinion.

[mascan42]

Once somebody loses the big race they rarely make it successful a second time, I think Nixon is the rarity.Reagan ran back in '76, but was defeated in the primaries by people who thought 4 more years of Gerald Ford falling on his face would be a good thing.

Back on topic: Kerry bowing out gracefully does show a certain class that Gore clearly didn't have. There's no hint of sour grapes in the email he sent to his supporters:

Dear Matthew,

Earlier today I spoke to President Bush, and offered him and Laura our congratulations on their victory. We had a good conversation, and we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing.

In America, it is vital that every vote counts, and that every vote be counted. But the outcome should be decided by voters, not a protracted legal process. I would not give up this fight if there was a chance that we would prevail. But it is now clear that even when all the provisional ballots are counted, which they will be, there won't be enough outstanding votes for our campaign to be able to win Ohio. And therefore, we cannot win this election.

It was a privilege and a gift to spend two years traveling this country, coming to know so many of you. I wish I could just wrap you in my arms and embrace each and every one of you individually all across this nation. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.

To all of you, my volunteers and online supporters, all across this country who gave so much of themselves, thank you. Thanks to William Field, a six-year-old who collected $680, a quarter and a dollar at a time selling bracelets during the summer to help change America. Thanks to Michael Benson from Florida who I spied in a rope line holding a container of money. It turned out he raided his piggy bank and wanted to contribute. And thanks to Alana Wexler, who at 11 years old started Kids for Kerry.

I thank all of you, who took time to travel, time off from work, and their own vacation time to work in states far and wide. You braved the hot days of summer and the cold days of the fall and the winter to knock on doors because you were determined to open the doors of opportunity to all Americans. You worked your hearts out, and I say, don't lose faith. What you did made a difference, and building on itself, we will go on to make a difference another day. I promise you, that time will come -- the election will come when your work and your ballots will change the world, and it's worth fighting for.

I'm proud of what we stood for in this campaign, and of what we accomplished. When we began, no one thought it was possible to even make this a close race, but we stood for real change, change that would make a real difference in the life of our nation, the lives of our families, and we defined that choice to America. I'll never forget the wonderful people who came to our rallies, who stood in our rope lines, who put their hopes in our hands, who invested in each and every one of us. I saw in them the truth that America is not only great, but it is good.

So here -- with a grateful heart, I leave this campaign with a prayer that has even greater meaning to me now that I've come to know our vast country so much better and that prayer is very simple: God bless America.

Sincerely,
http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v001/www.democrats.org/images/hq/johnkerry_sig.jpg
John Kerry

[droogie]

Well, Bush got elected, for the first time, but elected nonetheless. The part that disturbs me the most though is the fact that the born-agains had so much to do with it, I really didn't see that one coming.

[Hoagie]

Well, Bush got elected, for the first timeSo does that mean can elect Bush in the next election too?

[Sinn Fein]

Man, the smell of sour grapes is overpowering in here.

[Ballbuster1]

"It's over Johnny"........ :icon_roll

[Begbie]

Man, the smell of sour grapes is overpowering in here.
Yeah, you smell that too???......oh well.

I guess Bush really isn't the evil murderer that people have haphazardly made him out to be. Or, maybe 59 million people are just stupid Americans, which the British have splashed in their newspapers. But no matter who you voted for and why, you have to admit, that the democrats got their asses kicked by the Republicans this election. I don't think anyone expected them to lose so badly.

They need to re-establish and refresh their views to the American public. They have to take candyasses, like Sharpton and Michael Moore out of their party's spotlight. The American people are seeing what an un-organized party looks like, and the dems are paying for it. There's hope for the democrats, for example, I believe Obama will be a terrific senator and can be a face of the future for the party. However, it may be awhile before the democrats start taking back control...considering the mistake they will make when they nominate Hillary to run in 08'. Put her up against say, John McCain (I hope), and we'll be seeing a possible 16 years of republican control in the White House.

[Darkstar]

Got to agree with you. Obama is refreshing and a great voice. The problem with the Democrats is alack of vision. Their whole party line has become "we're not the republicans". Well, America spoke and they chose Republican. All of these things Stern has been saying about the FCC, Americans disagree. Americans are saying they want more morality, they want us to look out for our children and take control of what they see and hear every day.

The Democrats need to find their own vision and their voice which they don't have right now. The Democrats have fit Sean Hannity's statement of the "I hate America" Party. If they can find someone like Obama that is a voice and has vision, but with more experience, and bring that vision to the American people they can win in 2008. Otherwise, it will be RUDY, you heard me right, RUDY in 2008 defeating Hillary.

If they find that voice than it will be someone else beating Rudy. America will be ready for change, but right now I don't see anyone out there that will accomplish that.

[Smoke]

Reagan ran back in '76, but was defeated in the primaries by people who thought 4 more years of Gerald Ford falling on his face would be a good thing.

By big race I meant being the party's candidate not a primary candidate, but again I'm drifting off topic.

Back on topic: Kerry bowing out gracefully does show a certain class that Gore clearly didn't have. There's no hint of sour grapes in the email he sent to his supporters:

That's a good find thanks for posting it. Kerry will have a tough re-election bid for the Senate against Republican rising star Gov. Mitt Romney, so Kerry had better behave himself. Romney gave Sen. Kennedy a run for his money years back. You're right, Gore is done!

[EdC]

Ah, you would be surprised at how many Democrats love old pumpkin legs, especially here in NY. She's really loved by alot of people, myself however not being one of them. After thinking about this for a few hours, I doubt Kerry will run again. If anything Edwards might, but Kerry will probably be done for. Just my opinion.
I didn't say some people don't love her. Her problem is the huge amount of hatred she draws combined with her being a woman. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but it will be hard enough for the whoever the first woman President to get elected without the added baggage Hillary has.


So does that mean can elect Bush in the next election too?
Yes. Jeb

[tysonpunchinguterus]

Here's something I noticed in Kerry's concession speech: At one point someone in the balcony yelled out, "We've still got your back!" Kerry's response was sort of . . . gay. He said, "And I'll continue to love yours." Personally, I'd actually prefer it if John Kerry didn't love my back.

[droogie]

But no matter who you voted for and why, you have to admit, that the democrats got their asses kicked by the Republicans this election. I don't think anyone expected them to lose so badly.
What? Are you seeing the same results as the rest of us? 3% difference in the popular vote is hardly an ass whooping, or are the neocons, just two days after the election, trying to rewrite history already?

Next thing you know they'll be calling this a mandate.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

I think the other post referred to the fact that the Republicans gained 4 seats in the Senate, in addition to Bush getting 51% of the popular vote.

And, I'm pretty sure that "mandate" in politics means getting more than half of the vote, so 51% would qualify as a mandate. That hasn't happened since 1988, I believe (Perot and Nader both got enough votes to keep Clinton and Bush from getting 50% or more in the last 3 elections).

What? Are you seeing the same results as the rest of us? 3% difference in the popular vote is hardly an ass whooping, or are the neocons, just two days after the election, trying to rewrite history already?

Next thing you know they'll be calling this a mandate.

[Begbie]

What? Are you seeing the same results as the rest of us? 3% difference in the popular vote is hardly an ass whooping, or are the neocons, just two days after the election, trying to rewrite history already?

Next thing you know they'll be calling this a mandate.
Yeah, I saw the results of the 2004 election...

I saw that the republicans picked up at least 2 seats in the House, 4 in the Senate and took the Presidency.

I saw that while more people did vote this year, Bush has received the most popular votes in US History (58.6 mil). Granted, Kerry wasn't far behind.

I also saw that Bush is also the first president since Calvin Coolidge to get re-elected and gain seats in the House and Senate.

I also know that they now have control to push their conservative agenda over the next four years.

I also saw that your Senate party leader was the first politician since 1952 to lose his top seat.

I also heard that Louisiana, for the first time since the reconstruction, has elected a republican senator.

There was so much hype about what Kerry/Edwards had to offer. I heard it from celebrities, musicians, politicians, anti-war activists, Michael Moore, George Soros, Sharpton and other out of touch liberals. And ya know what happened....they all fell flat on their face. And deservedly so.

[droogie]

Yeah, you are right, 48% of the population are complete out of touch liberals.

[Sinn Fein]

Way to respond to all his points...

Edwards' former Senate seat went to a Republican as well.

[Spork]

AND 9 million more people voted for Bush this go 'round than they did in 2000. And with more than 50% of the vote, you can say it's a mandate - maybe the MSM (Mainstream Media) can't acknowledge that, but that doesn't make it so.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

I think it must be eating at the Democrats that Bush got 51% of the vote. All we heard was that Bush had done an awful job, was the worst President we've ever had, etc. Somehow, though, their candidate this time around managed to do worse agaisnt Bush than Gore. If Bush was really as bad and evil as the extreme left would like us to believe, then it is very pathetic that they couldn't come up with a candidate to beat him, and Bush actually gained about 3% of the country's votes compared to last time. Surely, such a bad President could be easily defeated. I guess not.

[EdC]

I haven't picked it up yet but I saw an interview from the guy that followed the campaigns around and wrote an article for Newsweek. It sounded like the Kerry campaign was in complete disarray, he had a difficult time making decisions, let Carville take over the show. Real Cluster F. Like I say, I haven't read the article but the interview made it really clear who the author(s) thought ran the more professional campaign and stayed on point.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

I haven't picked it up yet but I saw an interview from the guy that followed the campaigns around and wrote an article for Newsweek. It sounded like the Kerry campaign was in complete disarray, he had a difficult time making decisions, let Carville take over the show. Real Cluster F. Like I say, I haven't read the article but the interview made it really clear who the author(s) thought ran the more professional campaign and stayed on point.
Its actually like a 6 part report...

Here it is...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6414892/site/newsweek/

[Begbie]

Yeah, you are right, 48% of the population are complete out of touch liberals.
Now, I don't recall saying everyone that voted for Kerry are "out of touch" liberals. What I said was that the Moores, Soroses, MoveOners and other "out of touch" liberals had, at every opportunity, bashed the President and the republican party in order to "sell" Kerry/Edwards to the people. They're the ones with egg on their face now and I love it.

Edwards' former Senate seat went to a Republican as well.
Yeah, I voted for Burr instead of Erskine Bowles and his big 1980's bifocals.

[Taso]

I haven't picked it up yet but I saw an interview from the guy that followed the campaigns around and wrote an article for Newsweek. It sounded like the Kerry campaign was in complete disarray, he had a difficult time making decisions, let Carville take over the show. Real Cluster F. Like I say, I haven't read the article but the interview made it really clear who the author(s) thought ran the more professional campaign and stayed on point.

See I am glad stuff like this is out there. I hated the fact that people had put Kerry up on such a pedestal. He was no better than Bush. I personally voted Bush. But I hated hearing people praise him and say he was so good this that and the other thing, but really is just a waste like Bush.

[droogie]

Now, I don't recall saying everyone that voted for Kerry are "out of touch" liberals. What I said was that the Moores, Soroses, MoveOners and other "out of touch" liberals had, at every opportunity, bashed the President and the republican party in order to "sell" Kerry/Edwards to the people. They're the ones with egg on their face now and I love it.
Ah please, I'm not defending Moore, while i agreed with his message, I wasn't too excited about his aproach (was quite funny though). I did like the moveon.org movement. That said i consider the born-agains that got Bush elected to be far more dangerous. Think about it, these same people would never vote for some like Guliani because he is pro-choice.

[EdC]

Ah please, I'm not defending Moore, while i agreed with his message, I wasn't too excited about his aproach (was quite funny though). I did like the moveon.org movement. That said i consider the born-agains that got Bush elected to be far more dangerous. Think about it, these same people would never vote for some like Guliani because he is pro-choice.
In another thread you talk about lies and deceit and then you talk about liking Moore's message when his films have been proved over and over again to be completely deceitful. Now you slam "born-agains" for their beliefs and morals which don't include lies and deceit. Here I thought you were implying our President was lying and deceitful and you didn't like it when I guess you really were saying you LIKE lies and deceit.