The future is in Ohio's hands????

[cableone12]

according to cnn at 8:45, only 2 electoral votes seperate these 2, so its pretty much whoever wins ohio wins the election.

do we really want to give this much responsibility to ohio? can they be trusted with this???

[IfYouSeeKay]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm getting Florida flashbacks from 4 years ago

[jpc165]

i think florida was only hundreds of votes different at this point, ohio is about 140000 votes different. even if the provisionals are all counted, they would all have to be kerry which is highly unlikely (they will probably breakdown to the same percent as the state is projected now)

nonetheless, every vote should be accounted for

[Darkstar]

FL in 2000 was something like 500 votes difference. OH is 136,000 with at least 135,000 votes to be counted and as many as 186,000. Kerry only recieved 49% of the regular votes. He would have to take 90% + of those ballots, not going to happen.

[EdC]

according to cnn at 8:45, only 2 electoral votes seperate these 2, so its pretty much whoever wins ohio wins the election.

do we really want to give this much responsibility to ohio? can they be trusted with this???Under your logic Ohio's votes are the only ones that count because they happened to have a close race. It has not been left up to Ohio any more than it was left up to any other state. This is the same logic that makes sports fans think that 2 seconds or 2 points at the end of the game are more important than any other 2 seconds or points in the game. It isn't any more true than the stupid athlete statement that they gave 110%.

[cableone12]

Under your logic Ohio's votes are the only ones that count because they happened to have a close race. It has not been left up to Ohio any more than it was left up to any other state. This is the same logic that makes sports fans think that 2 seconds or 2 points at the end of the game are more important than any other 2 seconds or points in the game. It isn't any more true than the stupid athlete statement that they gave 110%.
im going by the amount of electoral votes ohio has, if im not mistaking ohio has 20 votes so at THIS POINT the winner of that state can pretty much start celebrating. the rest of the "too close to call" states dont have that many electoral votes, so AT THIS POINT ohio is the deciding state

[EdC]

im going by the amount of electoral votes ohio has, if im not mistaking ohio has 20 votes so at THIS POINT the winner of that state can pretty much start celebrating. the rest of the "too close to call" states dont have that many electoral votes, so AT THIS POINT ohio is the deciding state
Thanks for further proving my point.

[cableone12]

Thanks for further proving my point.i must be missing something..
any who cares anymore kerry just conceded

[IfYouSeeKay]

i must be missing something..
eh, don't worry about it, I'm not a nitpicker

[PrncssNikki]

Living in Ohio, I was nervous of the competency of our citizens. :icon_wink

[droogie]

Living in NY, I'm proud to be part of a state that wasn't fooled by the lies and deciets of the last four years. I'm proud to be NYer.

[Smoke]

Living in NY, I'm proud to be part of a state that wasn't fooled by the lies and deciets of the last four years. I'm proud to be NYer.

4 years? How about since the dawn of civilization?

[droogie]

Point taken, but I do think the lies and deceits were more saturated during the last four years.

[cableone12]

we will be getting lied to by politicians for the rest of our lives

[Hoagie]

Point taken, but I do think the lies and deceits were more saturated during the last four years.That makes you and LESS than half the country, fortunately.

[droogie]

You really want to play that game?

[Hoagie]

51% - 48% Game Over. Thanks for playing.

[Begbie]

Living in NY, I'm proud to be part of a state that wasn't fooled by the lies and deciets of the last four years. I'm proud to be NYer.
Yeah, same state that nominated Hillary Clinton...you must be so proud.

[robification]

Yeah, same state that nominated Hillary Clinton...you must be so proud.
please keep in mind that not ALL NYers are happy with left leanings of this state... after all, NYC voted for a republican mayor 3 elections in a row(though a dem will have an easy win the next time around)

[Begbie]

please keep in mind that not ALL NYers are happy with left leanings of this state... after all, NYC voted for a republican mayor 3 elections in a row(though a dem will have an easy win the next time around)
I totally understand...Jersey is the same way when I lived there. The Jersey shore was republican (strangely, that doesn't seem to be the case in Asbury Park. Hmmm....I wonder why?? :icon_roll ). And I heard Monmouth and Ocean Counties were overwhelmingly for Bush this election. Yet, areas to the north and west, like Camden and Newark, always went for the democrat. And Jersey can't pick a governor for shit. Jim Florio was an absolute disaster with his $2.8 billion tax hike (which McGreevey, member of legislature, supported). Whitman wasn't all that bad, but did nothing spectacular. And now you've got Jimmy McGreevey hanging out at The Blue Oyster, ready to hand out top government jobs to the guys with the biggest mules. Yet, the endless amount of corrupt politicians keep getting elected...north jersey never learns. Ugh, I'm glad i moved.

[robification]

here in the city, there are school busses bringing voters to the polls in the minority neighborhoods. the polls are usually in schools where they offer food and drinks to the voters in the cafeteria. many people go and vote just to have a free snack.

i personally know of at least 6 people who voted and are not US citizens.


i believe all this(other than the huge HOMO population and the freaks in manhattan)) adds to NY always voting blue

[droogie]

51% - 48% Game Over. Thanks for playing.
Game over? hardly. These close numbers are more than encouring to keep the fight going, particualry considering it was the born-agains who are at fault.

[droogie]

please keep in mind that not ALL NYers are happy with left leanings of this state... after all, NYC voted for a republican mayor 3 elections in a row(though a dem will have an easy win the next time around)
Please keep in mind that a guy like Guliani is one of the most democratic republincans around, in other words a moderate, which makes him my kind of politian. Too bad the born-agains could cost him a presidential bid in the future.

[droogie]

Yeah, same state that nominated Hillary Clinton...you must be so proud.
At first I was pissed off, after all she was simply not a NYer period, but now to say that she has done nothing good for NY in her time in the senate is flat out foolish. Now I can tolerate her being our senator, and I'm looking forward to see what else she does there to fully evulate her as to how I judge her as a senator of our state or even president of our country.

[droogie]

i believe all this(other than the huge HOMO population and the freaks in manhattan)) adds to NY always voting blueHaha, wouldn't it be real funny if some 6 or 7 elections down the road politians are fighting each other for the homo vote? just imagine all the news audio clips for that.

Anyways, I'm really happy that NY, the area most affected by the 9/11 attacks voted for Kerry. A direct result of us being attacked and then the president (who I really thought could not possibly fuck this up) decided to send a weak small force to Afghanistan and invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia, the true nest for future terrorists. Is incompetence in the war against terrorism is really my biggest grudge against Bush, too bad people in the bible belt decided their version of moral values was more important.

[Sinn Fein]

I can still smell those sour grapes, and it's been almost a week already...

[Hoagie]

Game over? hardly. These close numbers are more than encouring to keep the fight going, particualry considering it was the born-agains who are at fault.The Election is done. Bush won. Obviously most of the country doesn't feel they were lied to more the last 4 years. Game most definitely over. And stop spamming.

[Begbie]

The majority of America made up their mind, and they chose President Bush over a guy that was made into an iconic war hero among liberals during the election. Whether they were bible belters or "stupid" Americans, those US citizens still had the right to go out and vote for the party they wish. Just like the citizens that were recruited to vote for Kerry by MoveOn and Moore. Or, the misinformed rock stars and celebrities that held a small tour to help get the word out to mostly young adults that Bush needs to go.

But in the end, the republicans won overwhelmingly. They picked up 4 seats in the Senate, 2 in the House, the Presidency, Daschle's out/Thune's in, Burr is in NC, Vitter is in Louisiana. But most importantly, the next four years will be about conservative values, which I don't always agree with, but I feel more confident with this rather than four years of Kerry's liberal agenda.

[EdC]

...send a weak small force to Afghanistan and invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia, the true nest for future terrorists. Is incompetence in the war against terrorism is really my biggest grudge against Bush, too bad people in the bible belt decided their version of moral values was more important.Once again really reaching and making up your version of facts. Yea ... that "weak force" took over the entire country of Afghanistan in far less time than anyone could have imagined when Russia couldn't do it at the height of their power. They also did so with far fewer casualties than any of your left wing propaganda organizations posing as "news" organizations tried to push down our throats. Same for Iraq. Faster than ANYONE could have imagined and still with an order of magnitude less casualties than the tens of thousands the press was predicting.

I hate Saudi Arabia too but your overly simplistic view of global politics is astounding. The terrorists obviously don't consider it a very safe harbour considering the attacks there.

Now I am really curious how a twisted liberal mind can come up with the idea that war against terrorism has been incompetent. There have been several plots that have been discovered and foiled. There haven't been any more successful attacks on American soil or foreign bases even though we know they desperately want to hit us here again. Really the only sucessful terrorist attacks have been in Iraq (you know that place where liberals don't want to admit terrorism thrives) which is exactly where we WANT to fight them.

So sorry you guys have to spend another 4 years hoping (but not praying because libs don't do that) that we get attacked and the economy fails. After all, you getting a lib in office is far more important than America's success ... right?

[fatfrankie]

its over and done with get over it bush is the president only 4 more years then half of the country will be happy the other half will continue to cry end of story

[Begbie]

So sorry you guys have to spend another 4 years hoping (but not praying because libs don't do that) that we get attacked and the economy fails. After all, you getting a lib in office is far more important than America's success ... right?
Oh and you and i both know that if there ever is an attack on our country, there will be an outcry of criticism coming from the left about how Bush is not keeping us safe and how he likely knew that an attack was imminent.

Kinda reminds of the 9/11 conspiracy guy ONA had on today. Hmm...what's also ironic is that he soundedvery close to a few liberals on this very board. Could it really be?....nah.

[Hoagie]

its over and done with get over it bush is the president only 4 more years then half of the country will be happy the other half will continue to cry end of storyActually over half the country will be happy and less then half will continue to cry. But your point is still valid.

[droogie]

Now I am really curious how a twisted liberal mind can come up with the idea that war against terrorism has been incompetent. There have been several plots that have been discovered and foiled. There haven't been any more successful attacks on American soil or foreign bases even though we know they desperately want to hit us here again. Really the only sucessful terrorist attacks have been in Iraq (you know that place where liberals don't want to admit terrorism thrives) which is exactly where we WANT to fight them.
I am curious as to how anyone would think the ficticious WMDs aren't a perfect proof of the imcopetence on the war on terrorism. A couple of years after 9/11 zero attacks have on US soil have occured, same with a couple of years before it. And exactly how many terrorist where thriving in Iraq before we invaded the country? The 9/11 report clearly states there is no connection between Al-queda and Saddam, and now we know without any doubt the sanctions to prevent Iraq from developing WMDs had been working just fine. Something we could have learned the easy way had we let the inspectors finish their job, and we could have used the bulk of our forces where terrorism was and continues to thrive, instead of letting Osama go like we did. Complete incompetence

So sorry you guys have to spend another 4 years hoping (but not praying because libs don't do that) that we get attacked and the economy fails. After all, you getting a lib in office is far more important than America's success ... right?
Actually quite opposite, that's why I voted for Kerry, but it seems like wanting a more efficient war on terrorism, a better economy are not as strong points as two dudes kissing.

[Ballbuster1]

"It's over Johnny." Give it a rest folks.
You can't change the results.
I'm not a Bush fan, but it's done.

[Jolie]

They were actually talking about the election on TV the other day, and had a psychologist in talking about the anger/hurt that many democrats/Kerry supporters still feel... essentially, they said, people need time to essentially "grieve"... grief doesnt just happen after death. So anyway, if people are still upset, give them a little time. Its a normal part of the process getting over losing something.

[Smoke]

They were actually talking about the election on TV the other day, and had a psychologist in talking about the anger/hurt that many democrats/Kerry supporters still feel... essentially, they said, people need time to essentially "grieve"... grief doesnt just happen after death. So anyway, if people are still upset, give them a little time. Its a normal part of the process getting over losing something.

Part of that grief is saying things that normally would not be said, like half the nation is dumb.

[EdC]

I am curious as to how anyone would think the ficticious WMDs aren't a perfect proof of the imcopetence on the war on terrorism. A couple of years after 9/11 zero attacks have on US soil have occured, same with a couple of years before it. And exactly how many terrorist where thriving in Iraq before we invaded the country? The 9/11 report clearly states there is no connection between Al-queda and Saddam, and now we know without any doubt the sanctions to prevent Iraq from developing WMDs had been working just fine. Something we could have learned the easy way had we let the inspectors finish their job, and we could have used the bulk of our forces where terrorism was and continues to thrive, instead of letting Osama go like we did. Complete incompetence
So the WMDs that Hussein admitted he had and admitted he used were ficticious? The WMDs that the U.N. admitted he had were ficticious? The WMDs that the Clinton administration said he had were ficticious? Hussein and his psychopathic sons were really good guys and destroyed them all and just didn't get around to documenting it right? You really are brainwashed.

Libs need to get over their hatred for Bush long enough to realize that not FINDING the WMDs is the terrifying part of this. There has been absolutely no evidence offered that the weapons EVERYONE including liberals knew existed (that is exactly why there were sanctions and inspections) were destroyed. There was evidence of convoys of trucks going to Syria.

We absolutely don't know the sanctions worked and to believe so is either completely naive or blinded by hatred. We also couldn't let the inspectors finish their jobs as you would know if you had listened to those inspectors when they said the government in Iraq was blocking and stonewalling them every step of the way. If you believe the 911 commission report is the end all of intelligence reporting I have a really nice bridge over the East River I can sell you really cheap.

Yea there is still terrorism. There will be for a long time. Fact is, even though you libs don't like it their training camps have been massively disrupted as has their command structure and ability to easily communicate. Thousands of them have been killed and many more captured. That doesn't mean they aren't still dangerous but to imply, as libs love to do, that they are stronger than they were is stupidity at best. They can no longer train basically out in the open the way they used to.

Now I fully realized a liberal drone can't admit to any of this and may not even know any better given the state of the liberal propagand engine that calls itself the media so fire away with more ridiculous assertions based on absolutely no facts from the liberal handbook.

[Begbie]

Part of that grief is saying things that normally would not be said, like half the nation is dumb.
Yeah, or by saying that the blue states are part of some United States of Canada, and the red states are part of Jesusland. Boy, that Michael Moore sure is a pistol! Bang! Pow! Bang! Bang!

[Jolie]

Now I fully realized a liberal drone can't admit to any of this and may not even know any better given the state of the liberal propagand engine that calls itself the media so fire away with more ridiculous assertions based on absolutely no facts from the liberal handbook.
Please be nice. Thanks.

[Smoke]

Yeah, or by saying that the blue states are part of some United States of Canada, and the red states are part of Jesusland. Boy, that Michael Moore sure is a pistol! Bang! Pow! Bang! Bang!

It's not Jesusland, it's the new Confederacy! Quick, let's have a civil war and free the Southerns from their idiocy! Wakka Wakka!

[Sinn Fein]

Gee... and I thought Michael Moore would shut the F up considering how bad he just ate it. His movie was evidently a non-factor, which shows he's an irrelevant douche.

[Hoagie]

Gee... and I thought Michael Moore would shut the F up considering how bad he just ate it. His movie was evidently a non-factor, which shows he's an irrelevant douche.That may be true but he made a boat load of money on it so, of course, he will make another one. Cause we all new he's only in it for the money.