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Hudson
05-09-2005, 04:38 AM
This is a long mutha:

ALBANY, N.Y. (May 7) - The windowless, cluttered 10-by-15-foot storeroom on the third floor of a Manhattan government building seems an unlikely setting for Attorney General Eliot Spitzer's next big thing. But purveyors of spyware and adware and even the major companies that advertise in the surreptitious downloads fear exactly that from the Democrat dubbed the "Sheriff of Wall Street."

"There has been a vacuum of enforcement to date," said Benjamin Edelman, a Harvard University student who specializes in spyware research.

Though Spitzer may get complaints he is attacking legitimate companies, Edelman said, the "fact is, there are lots of surprisingly big companies making serious money from these tactics. So Spitzer's intervention in users' defense is much appreciated and quite helpful."

The problem has become epidemic as people spend more time online and spyware developers get more aggressive.

Some repair shops blame spyware, particularly the subset of ad-delivery programs called adware, for more than half the trouble they're seeing. One study found spyware on the computers of 80 percent of participants.

Although users still get such programs attached to games, screensavers, file-sharing software and other freebies, often without their full knowledge, newer techniques need no user intervention whatsoever and rely on security flaws in Microsoft operating systems and browsers.

The Federal Trade Commission filed a major spyware case last fall. But it is understaffed, said Ari Schwartz of the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington, D.C.

Enter Spitzer, a candidate for governor in 2006, is best known for his high-profile crusades against conflicts of interest in business but hasn't ignored cyberspace. Last year, his office settled a spam lawsuit against OptInRealBig.com of Colorado as his year-old investigation of a "spam ring" continues.

In pursuing spyware, last week's civil lawsuit against Intermix Media Inc. of Los Angeles is likely just the opening salvo.

Spitzer accused the company of secretly installing software that delivers nuisance pop-up advertisements and can slow and crash personal computers. Spitzer said such programs are fraudulent and threaten to discourage e-commerce.

"Mr. Spitzer has put a match to this and it will be interesting to see just how many volleys take place," said David Moll of Webroot Software Inc., an anti-spyware vendor.

Intermix denies any fraud or use of spyware, saying many of the practices in dispute were established by previous leadership. The company insists it is committed to the Internet's best practices.

Its competitors, meanwhile, insist their programs do not spy and say they welcome uniform rules.

"We strongly support efforts to clean up spyware and rid the Internet of malicious software," said Daniel Todd of 180 Solutions, a major adware company. "As a company that is providing free software and products to consumers, we think that working with technology experts, legal scholars, researchers and anti-spyware companies to establish such standards is a top priority."

Good thing, Spitzer said.

"People are fed up with adware and spyware," he said. "They feel as though they've lost control of their computers and they want something to be done."

Enforcement, however, is difficult.

"Those who engage in these abuses are hard to track down. An operation can be terminated and another literally pops up overnight," Spitzer said. "Hopefully, technology will provide a comprehensive solution at some point but until that time, there needs to be a cop in cyberspace who will stop the most egregious abuses."

Spitzer sees himself as the police.

While Congress and about half the states - including New York - debate legislation to clamp down on spyware, Spitzer is taking business fraud and consumer protection investigation into the 21st century:

His people set up three personal computers up in a storeroom in Spitzer's Manhattan office. For months, investigators visited the freebie-giveaway Web sites likely to carry adware and spyware. Investigator Vanessa Ip regularly analyzed the hard drive to detect any unwanted downloads.

"The most important thing was to try to mimic a typical consumer's experience," Ip said.

Kenneth Dreifach, chief of Spitzer's Internet Bureau, said the office is "limited only by the bounds of creativity and diligence of our investigators - which is limitless."

And don't expect Spitzer to focus only on companies that make and distribute spyware, Dreifach said.

"The companies with which they deal and companies that fund them realize that this is an illegitimate activity from which they want to distance themselves," he said. "No one should infer ... that actual advertisers that drive this activity are immune. They are not."

Companies including Netflix Inc. and Orbitz LLC have acknowledged using adware.

Spyware legislation typically defines it narrowly as surreptitious downloads that monitor a users' activity and could steal personal information.

Spitzer goes further - to include downloads of advertising onto hard drives that may or may not extract personal information.

Spitzer's spyware investigation recalls his successful national crusades against conflicts of interest among Wall Street stock analysts, dealers of mutual funds and insurance companies: A consumer concern is followed by a single lawsuit in an enforcement no man's land.

Negotiation for settlements follow, along with reforms to create new industry standards.

"This should be the next big thing for enforcement efforts because there are some likely targets and, more than with white-collar crime, this will resonate with people," said John C. Coffee, a Columbia Law School securities law expert who has closely followed Spitzer.

Those crusades on traditional American business have been good politically for Spitzer, Coffee said.

Spitzer appears to have prepared for the opportunity. Since Spitzer created the Internet Bureau in December 2000, the staff has doubled to four attorneys, a bureau chief, four investigators and seven college and law school students. The support staff has also doubled.

Even Spitzer's most recent public critic is pleased so far.

Bill Holstein, editor of Chief Executive magazine, has called for Spitzer's resignation, saying his investigations are overzealous and harmful to companies. Yet Holstein sees the spyware battle as "a case where the attorney general and his people are doing exactly what they ought to be doing.

"I agree e-commerce and the Internet are at risk," Holstein added. "It's smart politics, but it's also smart policy."



05/07/05 10:39 EDT

Shaggz
05-09-2005, 05:11 AM
Blech, I stopped reading half-way through, couldnt take it. Spyware sucks ass, but I wouldnt mind having some spywear! Those nifty goggles and all those gadgets.

Smoke
05-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Too bad Spitzer can't sue for non-NY residents.
"There has been a vacuum of enforcement to date," said Benjamin Edelman, a Harvard University student who specializes in spyware research.

The problem has become epidemic as people spend more time online and spyware developers get more aggressive.
It's not just an enforcement issue, Windows is terribly insecure, and Microsoft should be sued over it. For whatever reason they won't make the critically needed jump to a totally new codebase (forget 64 bit Windows, it's largely the same).

Regular users are system Administrators, so if you want your kid to have a limited account, a large number of games and other programs won't work. Since Administrators can make system wide changes, if that kid installs "Ubercool T00lbah" you're screwed.

Windows allows anything to install itself in the Windows folder. There is almost zero need for your printer or other non-driver file to reside there. If CoolWebSearch wants to make a 1000 system files, Windows won't even notify you.

Some repair shops blame spyware, particularly the subset of ad-delivery programs called adware, for more than half the trouble they're seeing. One study found spyware on the computers of 80 percent of participants.
It's higher than 80 percent, no doubt. I start with malware removal on every repair that comes in. Even viruses are less of an issue, but McAfee, Norton, and most other commercial programs are weak willies, they won't classify even the worst offenders (CWS) as viruses for fear of being sued.

Although users still get such programs attached to games, screensavers, file-sharing software and other freebies, often without their full knowledge, newer techniques need no user intervention whatsoever and rely on security flaws in Microsoft operating systems and browsers.
There's no other way to put it, Windows is fatally insecure. I'd estimate 2/3 of malware isn't from ordinary downloads, it's from damn ActiveX installers and other programs from websites that are visited with Internet Exploiter. Kazaa and file sharing programs still cause trouble... I wonder if the RIAA is partnered with them to give file sharing a bad name.

Enter Spitzer, a candidate for governor in 2006, is best known for his high-profile crusades against conflicts of interest in business but hasn't ignored cyberspace. Last year, his office settled a spam lawsuit against OptInRealBig.com of Colorado as his year-old investigation of a "spam ring" continues.
Email is one thing Microsoft can't be held totally accountable for, it's inherently broken... Why there isn't a new standard Email2 I don't know.

I hate the tabloid news (WHDH) running stories like "Elderly idiot gives away SSN in email, oh noes! How to protect yourself, news at 11!" Unfortuntely the elderly fella didn't try to learn the basics of computers... "The blue E is the Internet" /regan I replace Internet Explorer with Firefox on most systems I work on, but I still get some of those customers back, who complain I "broke their Internet" because they can't grasp that IE isn't the only web browser.

In pursuing spyware, last week's civil lawsuit against Intermix Media Inc. of Los Angeles is likely just the opening salvo. Spitzer accused the company of secretly installing software that delivers nuisance pop-up advertisements and can slow and crash personal computers. Spitzer said such programs are fraudulent and threaten to discourage e-commerce.
A lot of malware is poorly written, so it can crash alot.

"Mr. Spitzer has put a match to this and it will be interesting to see just how many volleys take place," said David Moll of Webroot Software Inc., an anti-spyware vendor.
Webroot (which is a terrible name) makes a number of unneeded programs, and now that Microsoft AntiSpyware is freely available, their core Spy Sweeper program isn't needed.

"We strongly support efforts to clean up spyware and rid the Internet of malicious software," said Daniel Todd of 180 Solutions, a major adware company. "As a company that is providing free software and products to consumers, we think that working with technology experts, legal scholars, researchers and anti-spyware companies to establish such standards is a top priority."
180 Solutions is a wretched company, their whole name is based on the idea that you're looking for "Norton" for example, and their damn program will create pop-ups for other "AntiVirus" programs. BTW if you buy an antivirus based on a pop-up ad, you're beyond help. That's like buying spam protection from a email ad.

"People are fed up with adware and spyware," he said. "They feel as though they've lost control of their computers and they want something to be done." Enforcement, however, is difficult.
Stop using MicroSith's software, even Apple's more secure in relative terms.

"Those who engage in these abuses are hard to track down. An operation can be terminated and another literally pops up overnight," Spitzer said. "Hopefully, technology will provide a comprehensive solution at some point but until that time, there needs to be a cop in cyberspace who will stop the most egregious abuses."
Spitzer intends to ride this malware crusade to the top, but he's wrong on tracking them down. These programs need to connect to an internet site, and those can be tracked. I'm amazed at the number of people who freak out over cookies and browser history, but don't care that "bonzai buddie" is pwning them far beyond what Tabloid-News-7 tells them.

While Congress and about half the states - including New York - debate legislation to clamp down on spyware, Spitzer is taking business fraud and consumer protection investigation into the 21st century:
I'm a State's Rights believer, but the Fed. Gov'ment is the best place for this sort of stuff. Too hell with Internet taxes though. Once there's a law allowing and protecting companies that call these damn malware programs viruses things will turn around. Until then, I'd recommend www.free-av.com 's AntiVir, as those German's don't have the tort suit mentality...

"The companies with which they deal and companies that fund them realize that this is an illegitimate activity from which they want to distance themselves," he said. "No one should infer ... that actual advertisers that drive this activity are immune. They are not."

Companies including Netflix Inc. and Orbitz LLC have acknowledged using adware.
Good, two companies that will never get my business.

Bill Holstein, editor of Chief Executive magazine, has called for Spitzer's resignation, saying his investigations are overzealous and harmful to companies. Yet Holstein sees the spyware battle as "a case where the attorney general and his people are doing exactly what they ought to be doing.
What are we, wussy Frenchmen, "I don't like him, I'm calling for him to resign!" Go fuck yourself "Chief Executive" magazine.

Ah well, another day work cleaning out this crap.

Mike H
05-09-2005, 03:24 PM
It is out of control.

On my computer, I have the beta version of Microsoft's spyware scan. I also have LavaSoft Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpyDoctor, SpySweeper, Bazooka, and SpyDetector. All of them work better in different areas and not one of them totally rids me of problems that arise, but all of them together seem to get the job done. It is annoying as hell.

Smoke
05-09-2005, 04:19 PM
...but all of them together seem to get the job done. It is annoying as hell.
Just like antivirus programs, no antimalware program is 100%. I read that Lavasoft created an independant consorium for sharing malware info, but for some internal reason that fell apart.

I wonder what the antivirus companies do to share info...

Skeet Slambone
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Many times using Norton & Microsoft together can give you the information you need to get rid of the spyware. They may not clean it all that well, but you can at least get an accurate list of the file that need to be deleted. One thing that is essential is some type of bootable CD rom. You then can boot to the CD and delete what needs to be deleted.

Once you've cleaned your system, you should let it sit over night to see if anything re-installs itself. If it doesn't and you are clean, the next thing you need to do is see what software you may be using that is installing it on your system. It may be some 'free' image editing software that is reinstalling it when you run the program. Then you are back at square one.

AND OH... GET FIREFOX

droogsteve
05-11-2005, 11:19 AM
I used to run Spybot and Ad-Aware and come up with a shitload of spy and adware. Then I switched to Firefox and installed Spyware Blaster, which doesn't remove spyware, but prevents it from being installed. Now my system is pretty clean, and if I do come up with something new, I can add it to Spyware Blaster's list of programs to block.