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mainliner
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
Didn't vote for Bush? Kicked out of church!
Ousted church members ponder next move
Kicked out for not voting for President Bush

WAYNESVILLE, North Carolina (AP) -- A pastor who led a charge to kick out nine church members who refused to support President Bush was the talk of the town Saturday in this mountain hamlet, with ousted congregants considering hiring a lawyer.
Pastor Chan Chandler greeted people at the door of tiny East Waynesville Baptist Church on Saturday evening as the church choir practiced and even welcomed them to attend services Sunday morning -- if there's room inside. But he was not prepared to talk about his mixing of religion and politics.

"On the advice of counsel, I've been advised not to have any comment at this time," Chandler told The Associated Press. "We will have a statement later."

Members of the congregation said Chandler told them during last year's presidential campaign that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry needed to leave the church.

Longtime member Selma Morris, who was treasurer at the church, said Chandler's sermons remained political after Bush won re-election. This past week, his comments turned to politics again at a church gathering that ended with nine members voted out.

Morris said Saturday that some of the ousted members planned to meet with an attorney on Monday to discuss their options. "We're hoping he (the attorney) will make him leave so that the church members can come back," she said.

"This is very disturbing," said Pastor Robert Prince III, who leads the congregation at the nearby First Baptist Church. "I've been a pastor for more than 25 years, and I have never seen church members voted out for something like this."

Those who are still members did not know if the church would be open for services Sunday, or if Chandler would be in the pulpit to preach.

The 100-member East Waynesville Baptist Church sits on a bluff a short distance from downtown Waynesville, a mountain town about 125 miles northwest of Charlotte. A white steeple and stain glass windows adorn the simple brick structure, built in 1965, with a view of the mountains from the front steps.

Across the street sits the church's parsonage, a small brick ranch home with children's toys scattered in the front lawn. A small wooden sign out front reads simply "The Chandlers." No one answered the phone there on Saturday.

In the days since the nine members were ousted, many more members have reportedly left the church in protest.

"He went on and on about how he's going to bring politics up, and if we didn't agree with him, we should leave," Isaac Sutton told The News and Observer of Raleigh. "I think I deserve the right to vote for who I want to."

Sutton, a deacon who worshipped at East Waynesville Baptist Church for the past 12 years, said he and his wife were among the nine voted out.

"I've been going to this church for 25 years and I've never had a problem," Sutton's wife, Lorene, told The Associated Press on Friday. "He's young and he thinks he knows everything."

Other former members of the church declined to speak with a reporter Saturday, citing the advice of their attorney. But the furor over politics at the church was the talk of Waynesville, a community of about 9,200 residents.

"It's just an outrage for something like this to happen in America," said Heidi Jenkins, 52, as she held a garage sale at her home down the street from the church.

Prince said he noticed during the presidential campaign that more pastors made endorsements -- although not from the pulpit -- than in past years.

"It used to be that pastors would speak about the issues and not specific candidates," he said. "I think that line is being crossed."

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11151

Mike H
05-11-2005, 05:09 PM
A perfect example why the Church (and all other houses of worship) need to lose their tax exemptions.

DoughBoy
05-11-2005, 05:09 PM
Fuck the church and fuck anyone who is concerned about being kicked out of it.

Taso
05-11-2005, 07:03 PM
He did them all favors by throwing them out.

roche
05-11-2005, 07:15 PM
Bob Dobbs wouldn't do this

PCLoadLetter
05-11-2005, 07:18 PM
Retards.

Enough said.

Buffcoat
05-11-2005, 07:48 PM
Good for Pastor Chan. Fuck those left wing zilches!

Too bad he's a Baptist named "Chan". High School must have been a nightmare for this dummy.

Baptists suck. Fuck the Baptists!

ASSBAG
05-11-2005, 08:43 PM
A perfect example why the Church (and all other houses of worship) need to lose their tax exemptions.



:clap: :clap: :clap:

okie
05-11-2005, 09:50 PM
but you do have to admit Kerry was a fucking zilch and a tool
voting for him would be like jerking off without pron

agentcg
05-11-2005, 10:08 PM
^ Well yeah, but thats not a reason to be kicked out of your church. Religion would work if it wasn't for the fucking people worshipping it.

Mike H
05-11-2005, 10:09 PM
Good for Pastor Chan. Fuck those left wing zilches!


but you do have to admit Kerry was a fucking zilch and a tool
voting for him would be like jerking off without pron

That really is not the point. Are either of you comfortable with the notion that a religious official kicked people out a house of worship based on their political affiliation?

If they wanna do that, fine, but let's see what happens if the US government threatened to nix their tax breaks.

okie
05-11-2005, 10:33 PM
^ Well yeah, but thats not a reason to be kicked out of your church. Religion would work if it wasn't for the fucking people worshipping it.
agreed just want to point out that kerry was a tool :action-sm

PorchMonkey4Life
05-11-2005, 10:36 PM
A perfect example why the Church (and all other houses of worship) need to lose their tax exemptions.
just because there are nuts and religious zelots out there does not mean we should condemn all religion and all churches

mainliner
05-11-2005, 10:39 PM
just because there are nuts and religious zelots out there does not mean we should condemn all religion and all churches
as long as its ALL religions and ALL houses of worship im okay with that

abudabit
05-11-2005, 10:43 PM
As if there aren't other politically biased 'charities'. Face it, removing political bias from charities would be nearly impossible. And doing it only from charities which lean towards conservative would be a clear hypocritical and political ground taking move.

Mike H
05-11-2005, 10:47 PM
As if there aren't other politically biased 'charities'. Face it, removing political bias from charities would be nearly impossible. And doing it only from charities which lean towards conservative would be a clear hypocritical and political ground taking move.

But a house of worship is NOT a charity. Churches are NOT non-profit organizations. There is a huge difference there.

Buffcoat
05-12-2005, 01:18 AM
That really is not the point. Are either of you comfortable with the notion that a religious official kicked people out a house of worship based on their political affiliation?

If they wanna do that, fine, but let's see what happens if the US government threatened to nix their tax breaks.

Holy shit - what the fuck are you talking about? Are YOU comfortable with the fact that the entire left wing of the Democratic party does the same thing to devout Christians?

What the hell does any of that have to do with tax breaks? Despite my assertion that the ultra-Right religious folk are wacky, I cannot argue the fact that those tax breaks go toward their CHARITABLE efforts and help a lot of less fortunate people that I have neither the time or the money to help myself.

The houses of worship can do what they want. For those who don't like it, go somewhere else for your salvation!

Mike H
05-12-2005, 03:30 AM
I am not being political here (i.e. Democrat/Republican). Fuck everyone! But, if a relgious entity is going to preach politics (and this is not the only incident when this has been the case), they have no business being tax exempt.

shat
05-12-2005, 10:30 AM
Well anyone who voted for Kerry or supported half of the left wings policies is not following the foundations of the christian religion anyways so I see no problem in them being kicked out of the church. It would be no different then the NRA kicking out a member who was attending and supporting anti-gun rallies.

Smoke
05-12-2005, 11:49 AM
The whole point of having lots of different churches (and show msg boards) is that if you don't like one there's always another to go to. The pastor has resigned. (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/05/12/pastor_resigns_from_nc_church/)

droogsteve
05-12-2005, 12:01 PM
Holy shit - what the fuck are you talking about? Are YOU comfortable with the fact that the entire left wing of the Democratic party does the same thing to devout Christians?

What the fuck are YOU talking about? Is the Democratic party a religion? Are they refusing membership based on religion? Of course not. You're not making any sense.

What the hell does any of that have to do with tax breaks? Despite my assertion that the ultra-Right religious folk are wacky, I cannot argue the fact that those tax breaks go toward their CHARITABLE efforts and help a lot of less fortunate people that I have neither the time or the money to help myself.

The houses of worship can do what they want. For those who don't like it, go somewhere else for your salvation!

It's not that simple. Clergy can and do address public policy issues, ranging from abortion, gay rights and gun control to poverty, civil rights and the death penalty. They may support legislation pending in Congress or the state legislatures, or call for its defeat. They may endorse or oppose ballot referenda. Discussion of public issues is a common practice in religious institutions all over America.


However, the only thing houses of worship may not do is endorse or oppose candidates for public office or use their resources in partisan campaigns. This restriction is not limited to churches or religion. It is applied to EVERY non-profit organization in the country that holds a tax exemption under Section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code. So, the good reverend either has to let his followers decide on their own who to vote for, or pay his fucking taxes just like the rest of us.