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Spork
05-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Researchers Pinpoint Brain's Sarcasm Sensor
By Randy Dotinga
HealthDay Reporter

MONDAY, May 23 (HealthDay News) -- Oh yeah, right!

No, it's true -- many of you don't go a day without dishing out several doses of sarcasm. But somebrain-damaged people can't comprehend sarcasm, and Israeli researchers think it's because a specific brain region has gone dark.

The region, according to the researchers, handles the task of detecting hidden meaning, a crucial component of sarcasm.

If that part of the brain is out of commission, the irony doesn't come through, the scientists report in the May issue of Neuropsychology."People with prefrontal brain damage suffer from difficulties in understanding other people's mental states, and they lack empathy," said study co-author Simone Shamay-Tsoory, a researcher at the University of Haifa. "Therefore, they can't understand what the speaker really is talking about, and get only the literal meaning."

The findings, Shamay-Tsoory said, could help rehabilitation centers do a better job of helping brain-damaged patients adjust to the world and understand other people.

In their study, Shamay-Tsoory and her colleagues first enrolled 58 subjects -- 25 participants with prefrontal-lobe damage, 17 who were healthy and 16 whohad damage to the posterior lobe of the brain. Then they tested each person by exposing them to several "neutral" and sarcastic comments recorded by actors as part of a story.

This "sarcasm meter" was designed to gauge how well the subjects could comprehend the unique kind of irony that is sarcasm. For example, actors read phrases such as "don't work too hard" in both a neutral sense (meaning "you're a hard worker") and a sarcastic sense (meaning "you're a real slacker").

Each comment came in proper context aspart of a story about, say, a worker who's sleeping or a worker who's grinding away at his job.

All the subjects understood the sarcasm except for those with damage to the prefrontal area, which is above the eye sockets and behind the forehead.

And among those, people with damage to a specific areaknown as the ventromedial area had the most troubledeciphering sarcasm. The researchers think lesions in several parts of thebrain can contribute to an inability to understand sarcasm. But, they wrote, this particular area is important because it draws on your innate recognitionof the emotions of other people -- empathy -- and past experiences to comprehend a speaker's intentions.

Brian Knutson, an assistant professor of neuroscienceat Stanford University, said the findings make sense because the brain's cortex handles a variety of sophisticated tasks, and sarcasm could be on the list.The findings also reflect a growing interest in how emotion is processed by the brain. "Emotion has not been a popular topic in science for a long time,"because it's difficult to measure, he said, but things are changing.

Tax Kuntz
05-23-2005, 10:56 PM
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Dugout Doug
05-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Our Friend Ricky. (http://midnightassassinsgroup.hugehost.net/images/oa/ricky.htm)

Tow Truck Tony
05-23-2005, 11:00 PM
The article said that we dish out several doses of sarcasm every day....How come I never hear any of it? And if I could how would I know? :rolleyes:

mikepop
05-23-2005, 11:07 PM
Our Friend Ricky. (http://midnightassassinsgroup.hugehost.net/images/oa/ricky.htm)

Good one
Nice slurlp

Smoke
05-23-2005, 11:23 PM
"Therefore, they can't understand what the speaker really is talking about, and get only the literal meaning."
That would explain Evangelicals.

BLACKIEhugeHANDS
05-24-2005, 12:58 AM
He doesn't get sarcasm, because of that awful disgraceful mustache... That mustache alone describes sarcasm.

stevethrower
05-24-2005, 01:01 AM
Our Friend Ricky. (http://midnightassassinsgroup.hugehost.net/images/oa/ricky.htm)

Meeester... that was f'ing funny...

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/539/egg8et.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

zagman76
05-24-2005, 01:02 AM
Ha! I just saw that article on Slashdot today!

http://slashdot.org/articles/05/05/23/1924244.shtml?tid=99

chili chest
05-24-2005, 01:05 AM
Our Friend Ricky. (http://midnightassassinsgroup.hugehost.net/images/oa/ricky.htm)



Very Funny, sir.

jc_from_li
05-24-2005, 01:06 AM
Ha! I just saw that article on Slashdot today!

http://slashdot.org/articles/05/05/23/1924244.shtml?tid=99


holy sh*t thats funny!

Hudson
05-24-2005, 01:06 AM
If that is Ricky.....oh nevermind he's got enough going against him already

p.niggity
05-24-2005, 01:14 AM
Nice one Doug!

Ricky is just a pup. Most kids his age seem retarded to others.

I don't get the whole virgin angle...

stevethrower
05-24-2005, 01:15 AM
Me neither... you would think l'll Jimmy would hook him up by now...

timmetro69
05-24-2005, 02:27 AM
I came across this article on Fark.com earlier today and emailed it to Ben.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4566319.stm

'Sarcasm' brain areas discovered
Scientists say they have located the parts of the brain that comprehend sarcasm - honestly.

By comparing healthy people and those with damage to different parts of the brain, they found the front of the brain was a key to understanding irony.



Damage to any of three different areas could render individuals unable to understand sarcastic comments.

The Israeli team from Haifa University told Neuropsychology how their findings might help to explain autism features.

Autistic children can have problems interpreting sarcasm as well as other social cues such as emotions.

If someone has a problem understanding a social situation, he or she may fail to understand the literal language
Researcher Dr Simone Shamay-Tsoory

This same skill is sometimes lost in people with brain damage, suggesting similar brain regions may be involved in autism.

Brain scan studies of autistic children have shown that they have different activity in the frontal lobe to other children.

Dr Simone Shamay-Tsoory and colleagues studied 25 people with prefrontal lobe damage, 16 with damage to the posterior lobe of the brain and 17 healthy volunteers.

They played the study participants tape-recorded stories, some sarcastic and some neutral.

An example of sarcasm was "Joe came to work, and instead of beginning to work, he sat down to rest. His boss noticed and said to Joe 'don't work too hard.'"

In fact, what Joe's boss actually meant by his comment was "you are a slacker".

In the neutral version Joe came to work and began work immediately. His boss made the same "don't work too hard" comment, but this time, he actually meant that Joe was a hard worker.

The volunteers who had damage to their prefrontal lobes were unable to correctly interpret the sarcastic story, while all of the other participants could.

Anatomy

Dr Shamay-Tsoory said this fitted with what is already known about the anatomy of the brain.

She said language areas on the left hand side of the brain interpret the literal meaning of words and the frontal lobes and the right side of the brain understand the social and emotional context.

An area called the right ventromedial prefrontal cortex then integrates the literal meaning with the social/emotional context, which will reveal any sarcasm.

"A lesion in each region in the network can impair sarcasm, because if someone has a problem understanding a social situation, he or she may fail to understand the literal language," she said.

A spokeswoman from the National Autistic Society said: "The causes of autism are still being investigated.

"Many experts believe that the pattern of behaviour from which autism is diagnosed may not result from a single cause.

"There is strong evidence to suggest that autism can be caused by a variety of physical factors, all of which affect brain development."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/4566319.stm

Published: 2005/05/23 00:10:18 GMT

LilConor
05-24-2005, 09:13 AM
It has to be a bit. How can any human being be so fuckin stupid. It has to be a bit

cigarsandscotch
05-24-2005, 09:38 AM
Let's face it, he's a good kid but he's not too bright. There are a lot of things that Ricky will never be able to get.

assWhack
05-24-2005, 12:03 PM
I actually was in a deli today by the studio, and I was like holy crap that's ricky. I didn't say hi or anything, but he already put in his order and was waiting. I put my order in for an egg sandwich, and was served and out of there, before they got to ricky. Do you think the whole world is just f-ing with this guy? I mean he was wearing a goofy WOW hat. That's probably not a good idea if you want to get some respect and prompt service.

THEO&ABUSDRIVER
05-24-2005, 03:43 PM
You never here about Ricky Fucking up his boss order (Ben)

lucky
05-24-2005, 04:37 PM
I really believe that there are many things that Ricky will never ever get.

50grandprize
05-24-2005, 08:44 PM
im thinking Ricky is going for the Noah angle.Let me be wacky and stupid and ill get lots of attention.i say shanangans!

THEO&ABUSDRIVER
05-24-2005, 11:31 PM
what school is ricki doing his internship for LANDMARK COLLEGE The premier college for students with learning disabilities and AD/HD.

http://www.landmarkcollege.org

Twigger
05-24-2005, 11:52 PM
It has to be a bit. How can any human being be so fuckin stupid. It has to be a bit

I agree...he screws up way too much and acts way too stupid to be real. Also, the guys are big on killing time since there are no "commercials" so making fun of Ricky gets a few laughs, kills some time and gives Ricky his 15 minutes. O & A break out into a live commercial reading in mid-sentence so I wouldn't put it past them to have Ricky be "extra" incompetent for a little extra material.