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ChrisH
05-24-2005, 05:31 PM
I just got this email from a colleague...while it certainly has the potential to be fiction/urban legend, the small part of me that isn't cynical yet really, truly prays this happened. And even if it didn't, it's still good advice!

p.s. There was a name associated below, which I have xxx-ed out.
p.p.s. I have just discovered that this story has been posted on Craigslist recently; I have no idea if this makes it more or less likely to be fake.

When I did my taxes this year I found out that I spent over $14,000 on
> Dates last year. Most of that was spent on dinner and drinks in
> Manhattan. Now don't get me wrong, I had some very good times, some
> great sex, some good conversations. Hell, I even made a good friend
> along the way, but mainly I came away from the date feeling extremely
> disappointed and with a lighter wallet. Date by date it's not THAT
> much money but it all adds up fast!
>
> In the past I had a habit of always grabbing the check and paying
> whether my date was hot or not. Whether we clicked or not. Basically I
> felt ashamed to let her pay. I also kept and interesting statistic and
> even I was surprised that only 5% of my dates even offered to pay -
> yes you see that right- 5%! One girl in the entire year offered to pay
> for the e! ntire check. A very nice gesture. But of course I paid and
> doubt she was sincere. In light of all this evidence I knew I had to
> change some things. So, this year.....
>
> I DECIDED TO NEVER PAY FOR A FIRST DATE AGAIN. How did I do this?
> First I adopted the mindset that a girl should naturally assume she's
> paying for herself. Now this wasn't easy at first but I quickly got
> used to it. Then when going into the bar/restaurant/lounge etc. I
> would hand the server a credit card and ask them to open tabs for us.
> HEY!-Did you catch that? I said 'TABS.' Yah, don't worry at least 95%
> of the girls I meet miss that one too. Just to make sure I usually
> confirm that the server has understood me too. I do this when the date
> rudely answers her cell phone or is in the bathroom (probably using
> her cell phone). Guys, you know the MasterCard "priceless" series of
> commercials? Well, let m! e tell you, you won't understand the meaning
> of 'priceless' un til you see one of these girls handed their own check
> for 3 20$ martinis and overpriced food (that they would probably never
> buy on their own). It's also very relaxing to encourage the girl to
> eat and drink up because even at 20$ a pop for exotic gooey blender
> drinks I could care less how many of them she has - cause SHE'S
> PAYING.
>
> Oddly enough when she realizes that there are individual bills there
> will a few prolonged moments of discomfort. But don't panic. Something
> that took me by surprise is how many girls suddenly have to 'go to an
> ATM'. I can't quite figure out if it's because their cc's are maxed
> out on shoe purchases or that they are trying to guilt me into paying.
> Well, probably a combination of both, but I'm remorseless after doing
> this for nearly 3 months now. Which brings me to my date last
> night...... omg.....
>
> Of course the classy nice ! Irish pub I suggested wasn't good enough for
> her. Nah...she needed to to go somewhere more trendy. Ok, no problem.
> W? Hudson? Meatpacking Dist? SoHo? Where we going? So she picks a
> midtown hotel bar. Nice place. Little stuffy. Drinks, not bad and
> Macadamia nuts on the lounge tables (complimentary) nice! Of course I
> went thru my usual routine, handed the server a credit card asked her
> if we can start tabs she said, 'sure' and took the card. 1 drink in
> her cell phone rang. She appoligized, (she had to get it). So I moved
> into confirmation mode. Our waitress even missed the 'tabs' part but
> she adjusted on the fly and told me no problem. Boy, let me tell you -
> the girl i was with could really throw down the drinks. She was
> drinking scotch that was older than the hotel we were in. Of course I
> encouraged her the whole way. She was like, wow they have Johnny
> Walker BLUE label! I! was like, 'you ever try it?' She's
> like....'Nooooooo!!!'
& gt; I'm like, 'go on....just get some'. She's like 'are you sure'. I'm
> like, 'look, if you want it, just get it!' So she ordered one, then
> another, and finally one more..... wow she was probably more than a
> little drunk. I stuck to my Stoli and Soda, splash of Cran.
>
> When the BILL(S) came she sobered up fast. I caught a glimpse of hers,
> 5 drinks plus a little finger food $319.00 I think it was. She looked
> shocked and sick to her stomach when she saw 2 bills. Guess she
> thought I was buying. Think again. (The old me would a soaked up the
> bill but steered her away from the Blue) I had 4 drinks, no food and a
> great buzz. Pricey Stoli, but overall still a good value (i ate a ton
> of free macadamias and almonds) $36.00. D*mn I thought, that BLUE
> label will get you every time. Of course she did more than the
> traditional fumble through her purse. Her face was beat red and she
>! ; was speechless. She left the bill on the table and excused herself for
> the restroom. I had already paid and was sucking on some ice. The
> waitress was looking concerned. I told her, 'look'. Sure enough my
> date was heading out toward the front door. I slowly grabbed my coat
> as the waitress ran after her. Then security or a bellman grabbed her
> at the door and a small shouting match ensued. Can you imagine, she
> was trying to leave - without paying!
>
> Well, I didn't stick around to see what happened. All I saw was the
> poor waitress standing just inside the front door with a small
> cocktail tray. She did look concerned but not panicked. A doorman and
> bell hop had the girl by the arm, outside and was semi-forcing her
> back inside, she wasn't getting away from this bill. I paid my bill. I
> had my receipt. But I couldn't help wondering why she ordered 3 Johnny
> Walker Blues, d! oesn't she know that stuff is expensive? Then I
> wondered if th ey had to arrest her while I had another drink at my
> local Irish pub.
>
> I haven't heard from her again. Too bad, she was pretty cute too :(
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXX
> Managing Director - Equity Division

bubbawadd
05-24-2005, 05:44 PM
Pretty funny stuff....serves the bitch right!!

HerkyJerkyLiz
05-24-2005, 05:46 PM
i might get some flack for this but.. oh well.

for the most part i pretty old fashion. i think if a guy asks you out, he should pay. i ofcourse make sure i have money on me just in case and will offer to pay but ultimately i think the guy should pick up the tab. i also think that men should go to work and the woman should stay at home to cook, clean, etc... this is just for me. so all you ladies that think im crazy if you feel differently i totally respect that. my views are my own and dont apply to everyone.

d0uche_n0zzle
05-24-2005, 05:48 PM
I'm old school too and wouldn't have the balls to do that to anyone, except a big fucking cunt.

PrncssNikki
05-24-2005, 06:04 PM
I told really think anyone should have an assumed role when going out with someone, but I personally feel guilty if someone pays for me. I always offer to pay for dinner, cab fare, etc. No guy has ever taken me up on the offer though.

CallmeQtie
05-24-2005, 06:24 PM
If a guy takes the money he's either cheap or she's a hog and he doesn't want to bang her.

Glenn Dandy
05-24-2005, 06:34 PM
i might get some flack for this but.. oh well.

for the most part i pretty old fashion. i think if a guy asks you out, he should pay. i ofcourse make sure i have money on me just in case and will offer to pay but ultimately i think the guy should pick up the tab. i also think that men should go to work and the woman should stay at home to cook, clean, etc... this is just for me. so all you ladies that think im crazy if you feel differently i totally respect that. my views are my own and dont apply to everyone.



NICE! :clap:

HerkyJerkyLiz
05-24-2005, 06:40 PM
I told really think anyone should have an assumed role when going out with someone, but I personally feel guilty if someone pays for me. I always offer to pay for dinner, cab fare, etc. No guy has ever taken me up on the offer though.
i always have money and offer to pay. ill never go out with nothing and be like ok youre paying but i think a guy should especially if he asked you out. and im mostly talking about in the beginning stages of dating. first few dates.. once youre in a relationship then things are a little different. then the girl pays every now and again, then the guy.. its kind of a shared/split/equal thing.

ChrisH
05-24-2005, 06:46 PM
I told really think anyone should have an assumed role when going out with someone, but I personally feel guilty if someone pays for me. I always offer to pay for dinner, cab fare, etc. No guy has ever taken me up on the offer though.

It's funny how dead-on Seinfeld was sometimes; as a guy, I have NO PROBLEM paying on the first date, but "the reach" or "grab" as George referred to it ("all I want is a reach" meaning at least make some effort to pretend to try to pay if you're a gal) is all I want in return (as well as a blumpkin later that night). :icon_wink

I think what bugs us guys (or at least me) is that when we are on a first date and the woman openly and blatantly acts like it is the man's obligation to pay and she is going to get as much out of the date as possible. That is, acting like a spoiled bitch about things. It makes ALL the difference in the world when a girl pretends to be a bit cost-conscious or makes a reach for her purse when the check comes, even if both of you know there is no way in hell she is going to pay a dime.

My girlfriend, who is a student who has loans, always thanks me for paying for dinner, asks "are you sure," etc. I have NO problem paying for 90% of the stuff we do, despite dating for close to ten months, because a) she is a student, but b) more importantly, she is always gracious and thankful for it.

BeltOfScotch
05-24-2005, 06:46 PM
i always have money and offer to pay. ill never go out with nothing and be like ok youre paying but i think a guy should especially if he asked you out. and im mostly talking about in the beginning stages of dating. first few dates.. once youre in a relationship then things are a little different. then the girl pays every now and again, then the guy.. its kind of a shared/split/equal thing.

Agreed first prize, first date I can't even imagine taking a cent from a woman. Down the line yeah but at the beginning the guy pays, period.

al885
05-24-2005, 06:48 PM
once again, Norton has the right idea.

tattered
05-24-2005, 06:56 PM
It's funny how dead-on Seinfeld was sometimes; as a guy, I have NO PROBLEM paying on the first date, but "the reach" or "grab" as George referred to it ("all I want is a reach" meaning at least make some effort to pretend to try to pay if you're a gal) is all I want in return (as well as a blumpkin later that night). :icon_wink

I think what bugs us guys (or at least me) is that when we are on a first date and the woman openly and blatantly acts like it is the man's obligation to pay and she is going to get as much out of the date as possible. That is, acting like a spoiled bitch about things. It makes ALL the difference in the world when a girl pretends to be a bit cost-conscious or makes a reach for her purse when the check comes, even if both of you know there is no way in hell she is going to pay a dime.

My girlfriend, who is a student who has loans, always thanks me for paying for dinner, asks "are you sure," etc. I have NO problem paying for 90% of the stuff we do, despite dating for close to ten months, because a) she is a student, but b) more importantly, she is always gracious and thankful for it.

well its good to know im on the same page with alot of people...the girl i dated for 3yrs i paid for almost everything we did but sometimes i did actually take her up on the paying because i wasnt exactly rolling in $ but that wasnt until we were already together for a year so yeah

Glenn Dandy
05-24-2005, 07:09 PM
My last date she paid 150.00 for dinner, i blew 100 at the bar. No biggy splittings its cool.
Also atleast i think most first dates shouldnt be outrageously expensive. we both wanted to try the new " Stone Grill" place in town. Otherwise mayby just hang out, do something cheap. Why waste money she might be an idiot and your out hard cash.

Ill buy a girl dinner, etc, after Ive decided shes worth it.

That dude in the story was a Tool for way to long.

Im easy, you get what ya give flat out, no gimmees here.
Ever tell a girl you treat her like shit because shes treating you bad? It doesnt float.
So, my opinion is some girls arent worth more than a six pack and a hand shake. Ill save my money for the one thats worth it.

PrncssNikki
05-24-2005, 08:30 PM
i always have money and offer to pay. ill never go out with nothing and be like ok youre paying but i think a guy should especially if he asked you out. and im mostly talking about in the beginning stages of dating. first few dates.. once youre in a relationship then things are a little different. then the girl pays every now and again, then the guy.. its kind of a shared/split/equal thing.

I agree. I think that in the case of a guy asking a girl out, first date, he chooses the restaurant, makes reservations, etc. then he should expect to pay the whole tab.

Once you get into it, it does seem like a shared thing, but by then I'm not really conscious of it. He'll pay dinner, I buy cab ride home. It's kinda a natural thing by then.

ChrisH
05-24-2005, 08:36 PM
Once you get into it, it does seem like a shared thing, but by then I'm not really conscious of it. He'll pay dinner, I buy cab ride home. It's kinda a natural thing by then.

Sure, what's $80 (dinner) versus $8 (cab)? :action-sm

PrncssNikki
05-24-2005, 08:39 PM
Or how about a free dinner opposed to a $25 dollar cab fare?

turdfrgsn
05-24-2005, 08:42 PM
i might get some flack for this but.. oh well.

for the most part i pretty old fashion. i think if a guy asks you out, he should pay. i ofcourse make sure i have money on me just in case and will offer to pay but ultimately i think the guy should pick up the tab. i also think that men should go to work and the woman should stay at home to cook, clean, etc... this is just for me. so all you ladies that think im crazy if you feel differently i totally respect that. my views are my own and dont apply to everyone.

okay fuck it.........will you marry me?

i take all that shit about divulging your stupid ratemywow.com number back

i'll even change the sig pic if it's REALLY that disturbing

ah........great post :clap: :clap: :clap:

ChrisH
05-24-2005, 08:45 PM
Or how about a free dinner opposed to a $25 dollar cab fare?

Ok, three of those scenarios equal one of mine. Which is more common? :action-sm

Sorry, I'm just trying to be a wiseass. Actually, one thing I've learned from female friends (and an ex) is that women really do pay a LOT more than we (men) think they do as far as dating goes. Women spend a lot on makeup, clothes, manicures, etc. to make themselves that much more desirable. It adds up, and is something most guys probably don't realize or appreciate.

That said, a black tie anniversary dinner on him should earn him balloon knot. Just sayin'. :icon_wink

ChrisH
05-24-2005, 08:46 PM
i take all that shit about divulging your stupid ratemywow.com number back


What's the #? :icon_lol:

HerkyJerkyLiz
05-24-2005, 09:01 PM
okay fuck it.........will you marry me?

i take all that shit about divulging your stupid ratemywow.com number back

i'll even change the sig pic if it's REALLY that disturbing

ah........great post :clap: :clap: :clap:
haha, thank you but i already have the one i want to be with.

Tax Kuntz
05-24-2005, 09:01 PM
I pay all the time. If she offer's to pick up a tab or offer some cash, I shake my head "No" and say maybe next time.

I only "expect" her to pay is when she makes the plans, ie; show, concert or anything else she plans in advance.

Once in a while I'll let her buy the popcorn.

PrncssNikki
05-24-2005, 09:05 PM
That said, a black tie anniversary dinner on him should earn him balloon knot. Just sayin'. :icon_wink

I completely agree. And every dinner prior to that deserves a hummer and/or sex. http://www.wackbag.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

turdfrgsn
05-24-2005, 09:14 PM
Once in a while I'll let her buy the popcorn.

who supplies the butta?

:action-sm

Taso
05-24-2005, 09:24 PM
Wow this reminds me of this girl i was with back in 02. High School Dropout and no job. Woke up whenever the hell she wanted and would call me and expect me to drop everything to come find her. Well needless to say, i paid for everything and pay I did. This girl even had it in her that she would instantly hand the check to me and get up and expect me to pay. Fucken freeloading bitch. Now i went out with a girl back in November completely the opposite. I on my own paid for the movie tickets, $20 no big deal, we went to a bar right after and i bought the first round, $15 no big deal, then on her own she went up bought the next two rounds on her own. Went out a few times after, the only problem was she didnt drive so i was stuck driving, but that should be the guys job anyway.

turdfrgsn
05-24-2005, 09:34 PM
Wow this reminds me of this girl i was with back in 02. High School Dropout and no job. Woke up whenever the hell she wanted and would call me and expect me to drop everything to come find her. Well needless to say, i paid for everything and pay I did. This girl even had it in her that she would instantly hand the check to me and get up and expect me to pay. Fucken freeloading bitch. Now i went out with a girl back in November completely the opposite. I on my own paid for the movie tickets, $20 no big deal, we went to a bar right after and i bought the first round, $15 no big deal, then on her own she went up bought the next two rounds on her own. Went out a few times after, the only problem was she didnt drive so i was stuck driving, but that should be the guys job anyway.

so, um, where can you get those hitler t-shirts like anthony has?

cableone12
05-24-2005, 09:46 PM
i always paid and believe the man should always pay. You cant compare paying 60 or even 100 bucks for dinner when a girl is offering her snatch to you afterwards.

ChrisH
05-24-2005, 09:50 PM
i always paid and believe the man should always pay. You cant compare paying 60 or even 100 bucks for dinner when a girl is offering her snatch to you afterwards.

If it's pill snatch, yes. If it's condom, eh, I'll first check out what's on HBO....

cableone12
05-24-2005, 09:52 PM
Pill snatch is the best snatch, unless she has the HIV.....

Taso
05-24-2005, 10:49 PM
so, um, where can you get those hitler t-shirts like anthony has?
What????

Shaggz
05-25-2005, 01:20 AM
I believe in 50/50, no matter what. If its a first date, I owe her nothing to pay for it all, especially if the date was a failure. And if youve been dating for a while, its acceptable to pay for some things as long as she pays for other things. Call me a prick, call me an asshole if you will, but this is the 21th century. Money is evil, but necessary in life, and I dont feel like wasting all my cash on failed dates and spoiled brats.

NikDaSchwugie
05-25-2005, 05:52 AM
I always thought that whoever did the asking on the first date should pay, but I keep cash on me and offer to pay. If the guy takes me up on it, I know we didn't have a good time and further dates aren't likely. My mom always said, "Gentlemen pay, assholes split."

Of course I don't try to run up the tab either. Johnnie Walker BLUE? Give me a burger and a Guinness and I'm putting out.

cableone12
05-25-2005, 08:25 AM
Give me a burger and a Guinness and I'm putting out.

do you wanna go to burger king or Mcdonalds. or better yet lets go classy- how bout wendy's?
I'll be a gentleman and buy the Guinness as well. :icon_bigg

Tax Kuntz
05-25-2005, 07:53 PM
Johnnie Walker BLUE? Give me a burger and a Guinness and I'm putting out.

:clap: :clap:

Gotta love the Philly chicks!

BeltOfScotch
05-25-2005, 08:12 PM
I always thought that whoever did the asking on the first date should pay, but I keep cash on me and offer to pay. If the guy takes me up on it, I know we didn't have a good time and further dates aren't likely. My mom always said, "Gentlemen pay, assholes split."

Of course I don't try to run up the tab either. Johnnie Walker BLUE? Give me a burger and a Guinness and I'm putting out.

That almost makes me want to take back every awful thing I've ever said about Philly. Almost.

While I'd be impressed by any woman who likes scotch enough to want to try Johnny Walker Blue, if a chick ever tried to order one on a first date our table would look like an outtake for a Canadian domestic violence PSA.