Still think illegal immigration is ok?

[abudabit]

Now keep in mind, this video is from a town in the USA. This is a demonstration by Aztlan, a group dedicated to reclaiming California/Texas/So. Colorado back for "Chicanos" vs. SaveOurState protesters. Aztlan is a racial supremecist group, and many also express interest in taking over northern mexico. Much like white nordic skin heads obsess over Vikings, Aztlan and other Chicano supremecists (such as MECHA) obsess over the Aztecs. These groups are common and accepted in most southern california PUBLICLY FUNDED UNIVERSITIES. Can you imagine a nordic supremecist group being allowed official representation in public universities?

http://www.teamamericapac.org/ta-video-bp-kirkbyclip1.wmv

Everyday thier numbers grow, everyday thier vitriol grows. In his drug using days, my friend sold a long range high caliber MOUNTED rifle to one of these groups. If you don't think these people are serious you have been living in Boston for too long.

And here is the link to the article I got the video from: http://www.teamamericapac.org/ta-gg-050523-baldwinpark.shtml

I know I'm supposed to provide the text to the article, but it's long and filled with many pictures. So here is one quote:

Joe Turner - Save Our State - http://www.saveourstate.org

On May 14th in Baldwin Park, 50 patriotic Americans were greeted by 500 rabid anti-American socialists, anarchists, Brown Berets, and Mechistas.

Numerous times we were told that this land is Mexico and that they were taking it back. Numerous times racists epithets were screamed our way. One person even hurled a full water bottle at our side and sent one of our activists to the hospital with bleeding in the brain.

It is of utmost importance to emphasize one singular point. Everything that we stated that monument stood for, embodied and represented was reinforced and confirmed by the actions of those opposing us today. To suggest that the monument doesn't reinforce the reconquista of Aztlan and hatred toward Americans is simply delusional.

I will point out the woman hit by the bottle was a 60-70 year old woman.

[abudabit]

Oh yes, and in all fairness, here is the other sides views:

http://aztlan.net/

Enjoy America. This is what happens when you ignore border security.

[Diceman Cometh]

What caught my attention most in that article was Aztlan's and MECHA's blatant racist views which are competely tolerated on campuses. Amazing what fucken hypocrites these scumbag left-winger socialists are.

[abudabit]

Totally. If you replaced "Chicano" with "Nordic" you would have a white nationalist movement.

Compare http://www.stormfront.org/ with http://www.aztlan.net/ and you will see little difference. Although I wouldn't go to either website if you don't want your blood to boil.

It fucking pisses me off that people like this are in this country. And it really fucking pisses me off that people pretend that Bronze Supremecists are ok and get government sponsorship. Cruz Bustamonte was a Mecha activist in the 70's, now he is Lt. Governor of California. Cruz is the guy who called an auditorium full of blacks "*******" by the way. Of course the Democrats let him slide on that. Surprised?

[poopiebottoms]

Not trying to argue with anyone here at alll...

Didn't Pres. Bush sign a bill last summer that provided amnesty for all illegal immigrants?

[kloraferm]

It depends on which illegal immigrants you mean. There are the ones gearing to kill as many of us as possible (see: "raghead fanatics"), and there are the ones who come here trying to simply earn a living for their families, most times doing the jobs none of us would ever want for a mere pittance for a salary (see: the unspoken portion of our economy). And I know that there are plenty of Arabs who come here with a legitimate agenda, and not Jihad, until all the other ones back home stop blowing themselves and everything else up, they should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny.

[Diceman Cometh]

It depends on which illegal immigrants you mean. There are the ones gearing to kill as many of us as possible (see: "raghead fanatics"), and there are the ones who come here trying to simply earn a living for their families, most times doing the jobs none of us would ever want for a mere pittance for a salary (see: the unspoken portion of our economy). And I know that there are plenty of Arabs who come here with a legitimate agenda, and not Jihad, until all the other ones back home stop blowing themselves and everything else up, they should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny.

Which is why many patriotic Americans simply want to make sure we arent just letting anyone through the borders. There's nothing wrong with the immigrants who want to work and make an honest living. But to let them in and keep the others out, you need to monitor borders.

[mainliner]

This is the one thing i never understood i mean youre coming here because things back home aint going so good to put it mildly no matter where home is. If youre gonna come here at least be man and stay legal sure youre gonna get a crappy job and things are going to suck for awhile and the natives arent the most tolerant people but things are btter here than there. my parents came less than 30 years ago from sicily at that time the place was a shambles noy much better now, and they did the right thing they became citizens at least my father did wich makes me a double citizen wich is kinda cool. but sure thye had to work in show factorys and live in crappy aprtments to raise us but hell they put two kids through college and we lead a pretty decent life. nothing was handed to them never once did my parents or anyone we know who came from same place look for a handout they came here and they made themselves no matter how demeaning the work was, now i walk around bensonhurst wtih these russian immigrants and i mean they only thng the govty isnt doing is wiping their asses for them they get monthly assistance housing and medical asistance grenated for onlt the first couple of momths but still thats when you need it, sure i know some illegals from italy that are here, they dont plan on staying unless they marry but still they work like dogs. Now mind you they still dont know the language too well but they managed not having everything color coded and translated in a 100 different languages for them, i was ttalking to a turkish friend of mine and he was telling me about when he got his vendor license he makes his own jewelry and he goes the signs were in like every language except turkish and he said no to italain and i said thats good that means we dont need help but if youre "latino or latina" and proud of it poppy i just wanna crack that smile off youre head as you dance to some out of tune guitar with hands on your hip in a cesppol of children you got for checks.

[Diceman Cometh]

This is the one thing i never understood i mean youre coming here because things back home aint going so good to put it mildly no matter where home is. If youre gonna come here at least be man and stay legal sure youre gonna get a crappy job and things are going to suck for awhile and the natives arent the most tolerant people but things are btter here than there. my parents came less than 30 years ago from sicily at that time the place was a shambles noy much better now, and they did the right thing they became citizens at least my father did wich makes me a double citizen wich is kinda cool. but sure thye had to work in show factorys and live in crappy aprtments to raise us but hell they put two kids through college and we lead a pretty decent life. nothing was handed to them never once did my parents or anyone we know who came from same place look for a handout they came here and they made themselves no matter how demeaning the work was, now i walk around bensonhurst wtih these russian immigrants and i mean they only thng the govty isnt doing is wiping their asses for them they get monthly assistance housing and medical asistance grenated for onlt the first couple of momths but still thats when you need it, sure i know some illegals from italy that are here, they dont plan on staying unless they marry but still they work like dogs. Now mind you they still dont know the language too well but they managed not having everything color coded and translated in a 100 different languages for them, i was ttalking to a turkish friend of mine and he was telling me about when he got his vendor license he makes his own jewelry and he goes the signs were in like every language except turkish and he said no to italain and i said thats good that means we dont need help but if youre "latino or latina" and proud of it poppy i just wanna crack that smile off youre head as you dance to some out of tune guitar with hands on your hip in a cesppol of children you got for checks.

Paragraphs are your friend.

[abudabit]

It depends on which illegal immigrants you mean. There are the ones gearing to kill as many of us as possible (see: "raghead fanatics"), and there are the ones who come here trying to simply earn a living for their families, most times doing the jobs none of us would ever want for a mere pittance for a salary (see: the unspoken portion of our economy). And I know that there are plenty of Arabs who come here with a legitimate agenda, and not Jihad, until all the other ones back home stop blowing themselves and everything else up, they should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny.

Amongst the people coming here to work are mules, secessionists, people seeking free education / healthcare, and criminals. There is a school in Texas I believe where the kids commute from Mexico to the school everyday. Lots of people cross the borders just to go to Arizona hospitals, then just return to mexico when they are done with thier medical stuff. All on the tax payers bill of course.

On top of that unemployment amongst the day labourers is high; there are more of them then there are day labour jobs. Legal green card holders are screwed over by illegals.

There are no health checks performed among illegal immigrants. No HIV screens. No criminal back ground checks. If you were really interested in the well being off immigrant communities, you wouldn't advocate lettings the wolves move in with them.

[Abysmul]

Compare http://www.stormfront.org/ with http://www.aztlan.net/ and you will see little difference. Although I wouldn't go to either website if you don't want your blood to boil. {abudabit**


i found a huge difference.....
stormfront is just trying to preserve the integrity of the white race in this country.....the last time i checked, it was the the whites who founded this country and made it the superpower it is :action-sm

[Diceman Cometh]

Compare http://www.stormfront.org/ with http://www.aztlan.net/ and you will see little difference. Although I wouldn't go to either website if you don't want your blood to boil. {abudabit**


i found a huge difference.....
stormfront is just trying to preserve the integrity of the white race in this country.....the last time i checked, it was the the whites who founded this country and made it the superpower it is :action-sm

I personally dont see any problem with encouraging racial purity....I advocate it myself. When preaching racial superiority, however...thats when things get dangerous.

[Abysmul]

i understand totally, being half jew.
i just encourage you to read the article someone wrote in there about rascism. he says nothing about the white race being superior.

[Diceman Cometh]

i understand totally, being half jew.
i just encourage you to read the article someone wrote in there about rascism. he says nothing about the white race being superior.

I didnt say he did, I'm just saying that talk of supremacy is where I part company with certain groups.

[Abysmul]

i agree completely.......
even though......

[Diceman Cometh]

i agree completely.......
even though......

even though....?......

[Abysmul]

well, most of the advancements made in the past...oh i dont know....1000 years have been made by whites.
there is a reason the whites went to africa and took slaves.....
(ding,ding)
but im not a rascist, i know there are plenty of smart non-whites out there who have helped our society, but they are in the extreme minority

[Abysmul]

it just seems that the whites ARE superior in many ways
just sayin.....

[Diceman Cometh]

it just seems that the whites ARE superior in many ways
just sayin.....

I didnt say I dont agree with the concept of White Supremacy....I'm saying that you can't really expect to live in harmony with other races if you are gonna insist on being acknowledged as superior.

[NikDaSchwugie]

well, most of the advancements made in the past...oh i dont know....1000 years have been made by whites.
there is a reason the whites went to africa and took slaves.....
(ding,ding)
but im not a rascist, i know there are plenty of smart non-whites out there who have helped our society, but they are in the extreme minority
:icon_roll
Try opening a history book some time.

[Fruit Monkey]

try working in brentwood ............ i am the fuckin illegal there ........ animals fucking animals

[Diceman Cometh]

:rolleyes:
Try opening a history book some time.

Well he may have exaggerated a bit but he is not entirely off the mark...whites have been the biggest driving force behind the evolution of human civilization. By no means the only one, but still the most potent one.

[Abysmul]

I didnt say I dont agree with the concept of White Supremacy....I'm saying that you can't really expect to live in harmony with other races if you are gonna insist on being acknowledged as superior.
i agree 100%

[Abysmul]

:icon_roll
Try opening a history book some time.
or you could teach me, because id really like to know exactly what you mean :icon_wink

[mainliner]

i like how you say just that all advancments are made by white and that other people are a minority but no your not a racist, what asians and arabs dont count?

[Fruit Monkey]

:icon_roll
Try opening a history book some time.


sorry nik i do remember seeing alot of jacksons jones's and washngton's in the books don't think they are who u meant tho!! :action-sm

we must have different books ?? :rolleyes:

[Abysmul]

i like how you say just that all advancments are made by white and that other people are a minority but no your not a racist, what asians and arabs dont count?
look at my post...i NEVER said all.....i said MOST, which is the fucking truth :action-sm
and what exactly have the arabs given us, besides terrorism?

[Diceman Cometh]

i like how you say just that all advancments are made by white and that other people are a minority but no your not a racist, what asians and arabs dont count?

well its not that they dont count, sir....they have just not made as large a contribution to civilization as whites have. Neither I nor, I think, Lame Cattle, are trying to validate a certain attitude to one race or the other...just because I am superior to another person doesnt mean he shouldnt have the same rights as me and be treated with equal respect.

[Etherfiend]

there's a group of MEXICANS on US soil saying they are taking the land back?

that's how war starts :icon_mrgr

can't wait till it gets violent and the military takes all the terrorists invaders out...

i didn't read all the articles, how long has this been going on anyway? why are they still alive? why aren't they at least kicked out of OUR country?

[Abysmul]

well its not that they dont count, sir....they have just not made as large a contribution to civilization as whites have. Neither I nor, I think, Lame Cattle, are trying to validate a certain attitude to one race or the other...just because I am superior to another person doesnt mean he shouldnt have the same rights as me and be treated with equal respect.
Thank you sir, you are a scholar and a gentleman
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Abysmul]

there's a group of MEXICANS on US soil saying they are taking the land back?

that's how war starts :icon_mrgr

can't wait till it gets violent and the military takes all the terrorists invaders out...

i didn't read all the articles, how long has this been going on anyway? why are they still alive? why aren't they at least kicked out of OUR country?
which is why we should have a 20 foot high electric fence to keep the fucking wetbacks out of this country.
i'll chip in for the extra tax....anyone else?

[mainliner]

look at my post...i NEVER said all.....i said MOST, which is the fucking truth :action-sm
and what exactly have the arabs given us, besides terrorism?
what have the arabs given us how about a hell of a helping hand with mathematics medicine and chemistry, asians hell they practically nailed astronemy and lets not forget their hands in math. now im not saying its all them the greeks britons and the renassiance was italian but you cant say one is more superior than the other I mean when someone says just because " im superior than others but that dosent mean they dont have rights" how delusionsal are you.

[Jolie]

Among some of the inventions not made by white people:

the Laser Eye Surgery technique
air conditioner
traffic light
blood bank and the way to store blood
furnace
a test to determine syphilis
cell phone
fire extinguisher

[Diceman Cometh]

which is why we should have a 20 foot high electric fence to keep the fucking wetbacks out of this country.
i'll chip in for the extra tax....anyone else?

Speaking of walls....Israel built a wall on part of the border between them and the Savage Lands, and hey guess what? Terrorist attacks in that region are almost non-existant after the wall was built.

Walls are good. Walls are our friends. Especially the tall, electrified ones. Since when the fuck did they become PC-unfriendly?

oh yea, the berlin thing....

[Diceman Cometh]

Among some of the inventions not made by white people:

the Laser Eye Surgery technique
air conditioner
traffic light
blood bank and the way to store blood
furnace
a test to determine syphilis
cell phone
fire extinguisher


What a crock of shit, Jolie....

Stern invented all that a long time ago, waka waka


sorry, I knew everyone saw that one coming


Anyway, nobody here is saying white people invented everything. I would laugh at anyone who did say that.

[cableone12]

if it wasnt for immigration, i'd be in my country shinning shoes right now.

[Abysmul]

what have the arabs given us how about a hell of a helping hand with mathematics medicine and chemistry, asians hell they practically nailed astronemy and lets not forget their hands in math. now im not saying its all them the greeks britons and the renassiance was italian but you cant say one is more superior than the other I mean when someone says just because " im superior than others but that dosent mean they dont have rights" how delusionsal are you.
I never said they didnt have rights, I would never want to deny ANYONE their certain unalienable rights. I am just saying the MAJORITY of advancements were made by white-skinned men.
And I would LOVE to see you back up your claim that the arabs have given us a helping hand with "mathematics medicine and chemistry"
I never said anything about asians.
I believe EVERYONE should be treated equally, no matter how stupid they are
(myself included)

[Diceman Cometh]

if it wasnt for immigration, i'd be in my country shinning shoes right now.

No one's saying immigration should be stopped...we just want it done legally and safely.


And I would LOVE to see you back up your claim that the arabs have given us a helping hand with "mathematics medicine and chemistry"

...Covering my eyes for the carnage to follow...


proceed, Mainliner, if you must...

[Abysmul]

if it wasnt for immigration, i'd be in my country shinning shoes right now.
Immigration is fine...to a certain extent. This country has been built on immigration. But the people that migrated here, migrated here to be AMERICAN!
they learned to speak english, they worked, paid taxes, and lived honestly.
the criminal aliens that are coming in now demand to vote, get fucking drivers licenses, and attend our colleges on OUR FUCKING TAX DOLLARS!!!!! over 10,000 a day are streaming in through the borders......how many are going to be honest and hard working? :icon_evil

[mainliner]

I never said they didnt have rights, I would never want to deny ANYONE their certain unalienable rights. I am just saying the MAJORITY of advancements were made by white-skinned men.
And I would LOVE to see you back up your claim that the arabs have given us a helping hand with "mathematics medicine and chemistry"
I never said anything about asians.
I believe EVERYONE should be treated equally, no matter how stupid they are
(myself included)
arabs played a huge role in mathematics
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Arabic_mathematics.html
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Babylonian_mathematics.html
medicine (place is a one stop shop)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/therapeutics_tb.html#top
chemistry
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/chemical_medicine_tb.html#top

its egotistical to say we the whites did the majority without looking into history and besides its just that history. whos to say wich white is better than the next im italian so is my white skin better than a swedish white?

[Smoke]

I will point out the woman hit by the bottle was a 60-70 year old woman.
That's what Lancer helmets are for.
Among some of the inventions not made by white people:

the Laser Eye Surgery technique
air conditioner
traffic light
blood bank and the way to store blood
furnace
a test to determine syphilis
cell phone
fire extinguisher
Link me. I coulda swore Dr. Martin Cooper (http://www.cellular.co.za/cellphone_inventor.htm) was the inventor of the cell phone. Even if you talleyed up a full list of what each group made, Whites would be at the top, Asians second, Semetics third... It's difficult to argue facts, except "inventions" are a huge list. Even if one were to limit the topic of inventions for the last 100 years, that list of 3 would stand.

You can call me whatever name you want, but population wise, Jews invent more than many other groups. I see no reason not to work with them than against them. It's the bastards on Wall Street of all colors who create cheap labor and racial strife for profit.

[Smoke]

Reposts from the FU on the same topic:
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=27915

I'd love to link you some of my posts on this but the damn search engine doesn't allow to search for "immigration" because it's too long of a word... WTF?

Immigration is the number one reason I'm no longer a Republican. America may be a less racially aware country, but the Mexicans are for the most part a racially unified people (with white looking president) and are just as determined to retake Aztlan (the Southwest) as the Germans were to unify their nation under Bismarck, or the Israelis are to expand into all of Jerusalem. In all 3 cases, they see the land as rightful theirs and will do everything to retake it.

Now let's say you create group for White Civil Rights (http://www.whitecivilrights.com/end_discrimination.shtml) you'd be called a Nazi. If you create a group called the National Council of the (Mexican) Race (http://www.nclr.org/) you're fine. Why am I supposed to accept anti-white racism (affermative action) and miscegenation (race mixing)? Why can't I and my like minded European brothers have political parties? "Nazis, Nazis" the brainwashed chant, nevermind that until the last 100 years or so, racial pride was the norm. There is a growing desire to stop immigration in the Aryan world and preventing the influx is going to lead to massacres all 'round. My country is not the dumping ground for the undesirabled of the world.

I'd gladly move to a country that supported my views, but then the UN, which does not care about massacres in Africa, would "intervene" and install an occupied government. Then they'd "educate" our children against our views and jail and hang all the leaders quickly. Hell, they hung the Nazi leaders faster than we've tried Saddam.

Now I'm sure some liberals will read this, and I ask you, is unlimited immigrating that's pushing down wages a good thing? Is racial tension a goal? Stop hating your race and have pride in yourself.

"If breeds of life like the blue whale, the rocky mountain cougar, or even the tiny breed of fish called the snail darter are worth preserving, shouldn’t a beautiful and creative people such as the White Race, also, be worthy of our concern?" And if we can pass laws to protect those animals, why can't we have laws to protect our race?

I'm not for a White takeover of the world, I just want the "guests" removed to their homelands. We are not the world's dump. I pretty much am a BNP guy, except I don't live in Britain.

No one's saying immigration should be stopped...we just want it done legally and safely.
I am. I want an exclusively White nation. I want to send non-White back, just as the BNP does in Britain.

[mainliner]

Reposts from the FU on the same topic:
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=27915




I am. I want an exclusively White nation. I want to send non-White back, just as the BNP does in Britain.
god damn i dont even no where to begin im done in this topic

[Abysmul]

arabs played a huge role in mathematics
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Arabic_mathematics.html
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Babylonian_mathematics.html
medicine (place is a one stop shop)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/therapeutics_tb.html#top
chemistry
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/chemical_medicine_tb.html#top

its egotistical to say we the whites did the majority without looking into history and besides its just that history. whos to say wich white is better than the next im italian so is my white skin better than a swedish white?
Granted that non-whites have made major contributions to the evolution of man, but if you look at the big picture, whites, caucasoids, euro-aryans, or whatever you want to call it, HAVE made more, much more of the majority of advances...inventions etc....
i am generalizing....so it doesnt matter whose white skin is better.....whites in general are better
wink wink nudge nudge :icon_lol:

[Abysmul]

Goddamn Smoke....that Was More Eloquent Than I Could Ever, Ever Hope To Be......beautiful, It Brought A Tear To My Eye :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[abudabit]

Allllriiiiight..... moving away from the race shit and back to the subject at hand; illegal immigration has many flaws such as:

When too many immigrants come from one part of the world the get cocky (see Mecha, Aztlan).

When we don't perform background checks and searches for drugs, criminals move in with the immigrants and take advantage of thier neighbors being in a foreign land.

When we don't perform background checks, terrorists and militants can get in.

When we don't perform health checks, virii such as AIDS and weird foreign shit can get in.

When we don't tie immigration to the amount of job openings for the immigrants, there becomes a labour surplus.

When we have an open border, people can exploit our social services.

______________

Now remember all this when it comes time for election '06 and '08. Some pro-illegal immigration folks are going to be possibly running, such as Condi Rice, and it is important to remind them where America stands on this issue.

http://www.teamamericapac.org/
http://www.saveourstate.org/
http://www.minutemanhq.com/

________________________________

Oh yeah, and if smoke is going to xpost, so will I:

Why is it every immigration discussion gets turned into some racial bullshit? Who gives a fuck what the skin color of a citizen or potential citizen is? All I care about is what they stand for and what they're about.

And BTW, the south west has always been mixed. The Republic Of Texas was formed both by whites AND tejanos. Both rebelled against Spain and Mexico, and both supported joining the USA. As long as you are a loyal American and a good citizen who gives a fuck where your origin is from?

[NikDaSchwugie]

Granted that non-whites have made major contributions to the evolution of man, but if you look at the big picture, whites, caucasoids, euro-aryans, or whatever you want to call it, HAVE made more, much more of the majority of advances...inventions etc....
i am generalizing....so it doesnt matter whose white skin is better.....whites in general are better
wink wink nudge nudge :icon_lol:

Yes, we have had different history books. Different English books, too.

One of the problems we have in discussing this is the lack of documentation. We don't really know who invented what. If an idea was stolen from a black man in 1910, what was he going to do? Sue?

However, I will say (for example) that when Europe was in the midst of the Dark Ages and believed that demons caused gout, Arabs were refining and advancing medicine techniques and inventing the teaching hospital.

[abudabit]

If an idea was stolen from a black man in 1910, what was he going to do? Sue?

While I agree that whites probably aren't responsible for 50% of the technology since 1000 AD, let's not get carried away and suggest that there was some significant black scientific community. Arabs, Asians, Native North/Central Americans all contributed to a significant portion of inventions. Africans did not, and african americans did not until recently. I'm not suggesting anything genetic, it's just how many blacks do you think were working in a lab or a design company in 1910?

If blacks came up with a decent amount of technology, we wouldn't endlessly hear about George Washington Carver every black history month. GWC's mention every commercial break during black history month is an act of desperation.

[Diceman Cometh]

However, I will say (for example) that when Europe was in the midst of the Dark Ages and believed that demons caused gout, Arabs were refining and advancing medicine techniques and inventing the teaching hospital.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.........

.....first of all, the Dark Ages werent so dark. The Byzantine and Celtic cultures were very active in many areas, although science did lag behind. The Dark Ages were called "Dark" by historians simply because that marks the period directly after the collapse of the Roman Empire, which was a unifying presence in Europe. After the collapse, chaos formed between the former provinces.

Second, the medical advances that Arabs made were not medical advances at all. Europeans and Arabs merely thought them to be medical advances at the time, when in fact hindsight shows that most of those advances, like most other ancient and medieval medical theories, were complete nonsense. In reality, going to a doctor only began to be beneficial starting in the early 20th century...before then, a doctor (on average) either did nothing for you or may have even hurt you.

And will you people stop giving us examples of what Arabs did or what Asians or blacks did? No one is saying that whites invented everything, we are not claiming to be the Howard Stern of races. I am simply talking about a pattern that has formed throughout the last three thousand years of human history.

There is actually a very interesting book called Human Accomplishment that analyzes achievment throughout human history. The authors are sociologists and statisticians that have compiled data on various advances in science, the arts, and technology, and have tried to see if any patterns emerge.

They talked about many interesting findings....one of them is that, as Smoke said, Jews make up a tremendously disproportionate amount of history's great achievers (except, oddly enough, in the arts)....and the other is that Caucasians stand out very conspiciously as a racial group. The authors did not go into what the causes might be - whether its genetic or a result of geography or whatever. But the data is clear - whites are the main racial force behind the history of human achievment.

Don't let modern American pop culture make you feel guilty about being white. If your white, be fucken proud of it.

[Diceman Cometh]

and sorry we hijacked your thread, abudabit....these fucken Current Events threads always get nasty and off-topic.

Jeez, I go on this message board to read dick jokes and I end up getting into discussions on racial patterns in historical human achievment and Arabian medical advances.

[Smoke]

god damn i dont even no where to begin im done in this topic
Ignoring my opinion won't stop it. If anything, your revulsion puts a smile on my face.
Goddamn Smoke....that Was More Eloquent Than I Could Ever, Ever Hope To Be......beautiful, It Brought A Tear To My Eye :clap: :clap: :clap:
Tussle tussle, fella.
Why is it every immigration discussion gets turned into some racial bullshit? Who gives a fuck what the skin color of a citizen or potential citizen is? All I care about is what they stand for and what they're about.
Race isn't something anyone should ignore. In this case, race is the primary driving force for the Mexicans. They believe their people, via the Aztecs and other tribes, came from Aztlan. This is intresting considering a current theory is that the Americas were populated via travelers over the Alaska ice bridge from Siberia. Therefore, like the Jews in Israel, believe the land was theirs long ago and should be again. In both cases, growing populations expanding into the desired areas are being used to retake the land.
And BTW, the south west has always been mixed. The Republic Of Texas was formed both by whites AND tejanos. Both rebelled against Spain and Mexico, and both supported joining the USA. As long as you are a loyal American and a good citizen who gives a fuck where your origin is from?
And that balance swong in favor of the Whites for many years, and it now swinging back towards political alignment with Mexico City.
However, I will say (for example) that when Europe was in the midst of the Dark Ages and believed that demons caused gout, Arabs were refining and advancing medicine techniques and inventing the teaching hospital.
No doubt that period saw the darkest period in the history of Christendom, where the expansion of "enlightened" Islam lead to slavery of millions of Whites in the Harems and Armies of Islam. Hell, we still haven't cleaned Europe of Islam yet.

Sure Islam helped organize the savages into civilization, but that same Islam is crippling them. Hell, they used to think of electronics as ungodly.
...let's not get carried away and suggest that there was some significant black scientific community. Arabs, Asians, Native North/Central Americans all contributed to a significant portion of inventions. Africans did not, and african americans did not until recently. I'm not suggesting anything genetic, it's just how many blacks do you think were working in a lab or a design company in 1910?
In that case, discrimination can be held up as the reason why.
If blacks came up with a decent amount of technology, we wouldn't endlessly hear about George Washington Carver every black history month. GWC's mention every commercial break during black history month is an act of desperation.
As a racialist, I want to foster as much black pride as possible, hell, all racial pride. Everything I can do to get them to desire racially homogenious communities....

As for the scientific progress of Blacks, the racism that prevented them for full participation in America prevents a fair judgement as I said above. It's in Black Africa where no major civilization sprang forth. One can point to Rome, Islam, India, Imperial China, and many other civilizations as great examples of what humans can create. Without suggesting they are inferior, Blacks are simply different in culture. Could one argue in theory the enviroment caused them to be more tribal than other races, but that fact remains, Blacks have yet to make contributions to civilization that matches other races.

I'd love to see Liberia expand with immigrants of our Blacks, but that isn't exactly desirable destination for anyone.

[Smoke]

and sorry we hijacked your thread, abudabit....these fucken Current Events threads always get nasty and off-topic.
Hell, and we can't blame me for it starting that way...
.....first of all, the Dark Ages werent so dark. The Byzantine and Celtic cultures were very active in many areas, although science did lag behind.
Oh yeah, that Celtic culture that was extinct by force of Christian armies.
They talked about many interesting findings....one of them is that, as Smoke said, Jews make up a tremendously disproportionate amount of history's great achievers (except, oddly enough, in the arts)
Yep...
Step one - make Harps.
Step two - hold up chairs at weddings.
Step three - Eddie Vedder?
Don't let modern American pop culture make you feel guilty about being white. If your white, be fucken proud of it.
It's simply amazing how many Whites are ashamed to have pride beyond the subgroup (Irish, French, etc). Nobody should be ashamed to be what they are.

Any guesses why I'll never be made a mod here?

[Diceman Cometh]

Therefore, like the Jews in Israel, believe the land was theirs long ago and should be again. In both cases, growing populations expanding into the desired areas are being used to retake the land.


Except in the Mexicans' case, they genetically are not even remotely close to the orginal tribes. Take all the Mexican blood out there, pour and mix it in a giant container, and only 15-20% of that blood is Native American. The rest is Spaniard (howdy, fellow conquistadors!) and African. So technically its not their land either.

And they have a land of their own to go to - its called Mexico. Jews didnt have one for 2,000 years until the State of Israel was created.

[Smoke]

Could that arguement be made as well for the various types of Jews? Surely the Ethopian and Indian Jews aren't racially the same people as Ariel Sharon? I think your % of Aztec blood in Mexicans is low, but it varies quite a bit. The groups you mentioned interbred alot.

When I really want to troll, I mention the Kazars, that really ticks Jews off.

[Diceman Cometh]

Oh yeah, that Celtic culture that was extinct by force of Christian armies.


Perhaps "Irish" would have been a better word...and you cant blame Christendom for that can you? Werent they pushed into Ireland by the Germanic tribes and then assimilated before Christianity got a foothold on the Isles?

[Smoke]

Perhaps "Irish" would have been a better word...and you cant blame Christendom for that can you? Werent they pushed into Ireland by the Germanic tribes and then assimilated before Christianity got a foothold on the Isles?
Celtic used to describe everything from the North of Spain, France, and all of Great Britain... In the Roman description of Boudicca's fury, a Romanized Celt from Gaul is mentioned... Is that enough evidence?

I was thinking more of the polytheism that was a common European characteristic before Christianity, and the murders of Druids and destructions of holy groves. That to me is like the destruction of Solomon's Temple.

[Diceman Cometh]

Could that arguement be made as well for the various types of Jews? Surely the Ethopian and Indian Jews aren't racially the same people as Ariel Sharon? I think your % of Aztec blood in Mexicans is low, but it varies quite a bit. The groups you mentioned interbred alot.

When I really want to troll, I mention the Kazars, that really ticks Jews off.

Many modern Jews, yes....but most Sephardic Jewry (about 40% of the world's Jews) are 100% semetic, and usually 75-100% genetic Jew. Same goes for the Jews of Yemen. And thats more than enough to fill Israel.

[Diceman Cometh]

I was thinking more of the polytheism that was a common European characteristic before Christianity, and the murders of Druids and destructions of holy groves. That to me is like the destruction of Solomon's Temple.

Sometimes I wonder if whites - specifically Europe and Europeans - would have been better off without Christianity and its pesky morality (no sarcasm intended), and had remained Pagan with all its "survival of the fittest" ethics.

[Smoke]

Many modern Jews, yes....but most Sephardic Jewry (about 40% of the world's Jews) are 100% semetic, and usually 75-100% genetic Jew. Same goes for the Jews of Yemen. And thats more than enough to fill Israel.
Even still, there's internal trouble as the power of hardcore Jews (Orthodox?) is growing with their population... And even certain elements of them don't like mixed Jews.

[Smoke]

Sometimes I wonder if whites - specifically Europe and Europeans - would have been better off without Christianity and its pesky morality (no sarcasm intended), and had remained Pagan with all its "survival of the fittest" ethics.
As for that, having a significant portion of the population not reproduce in convents and churches... And that pesky Black Plague cut the population like nothing until WW2's 80 million dead.

[Diceman Cometh]

I was thinking more of the polytheism that was a common European characteristic before Christianity, and the murders of Druids and destructions of holy groves. That to me is like the destruction of Solomon's Temple.

Considering your mourning of Euro-paganism, do you have a certain anomisity towards Jews for being the ones to "infect" Europe and whites with the God of Abraham?

[Diceman Cometh]

As for that, having a significant portion of the population not reproduce in convents and churches... And that pesky Black Plague cut the population like nothing until WW2's 80 million dead.

What did the Plague have to do with Christianity?

punching out for the night...

[Smoke]

What did the Plague have to do with Christianity?
I'm saying it impacted the population levels as much as Christianity did, long term.
Considering your mourning of Euro-paganism, do you have a certain anomisity towards Jews for being the ones to "infect" Europe and whites with the God of Abraham?
Nah, only for failing to wipe it out before it spread. :action-sm

I don't hate Jews as a group (or any racial group) but that whole Communism thing certaintly wasn't helpful. And yes, I do hate Commies.

That's it for the Diceman Cometh & Smoke thread for today. Tha-Tha-That's all folks.

[abudabit]

Race isn't something anyone should ignore. In this case, race is the primary driving force for the Mexicans. They believe their people, via the Aztecs and other tribes, came from Aztlan. This is intresting considering a current theory is that the Americas were populated via travelers over the Alaska ice bridge from Siberia. Therefore, like the Jews in Israel, believe the land was theirs long ago and should be again. In both cases, growing populations expanding into the desired areas are being used to retake the land.

It is only a minority of mexican immigrants who are Aztlanders. I should point out several things:

1. Almost a majority of California latinos want tougher border controls.

2. There is a significant latino presence in Saveourstate.

3. Latinos in Texas fought FOR the Republic Of Texas.

4. The Mexican governments attempts to export Mexicans is based on thier unwillingness to take care of the nations economic problems, not racialism.

The only reason why I used the Aztlanders in my argument against illegal immigration is because the open borders gives them hope of a revolution, and also thier racialism is a RESULT of homoginization of thier new communities in California. If immigration were controlled and spread from throughout the world, no immigrant group would have room to become like the Aztlanders.

Also there IS going to be a violent show down, a minor civil war, if we do nothing about the border situation. Anybody who believes otherwise is naive. Even though they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, they would do massive civil and economic damage and one of the nations largest cities and most successful regions would be plunged into the fight.

[Smoke]

Also there IS going to be a violent show down, a minor civil war, if we do nothing about the border situation. Anybody who believes otherwise is naive. Even though they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, they would do massive civil and economic damage and one of the nations largest cities and most successful regions would be plunged into the fight.
If it means the MA 495 belt becomes the new tech Mecca, I'm all for it, sooner rather than later. When this war happens it won't just be LA, it will be the entire southern border...

[roche]

I guess I am naive because I do not believe for one second there is going to be a war.

[poopiebottoms]

What if the Mexicans take over and make all of the Americans live on reservations. Would the Americans then open casinos?

[Smoke]

I guess I am naive because I do not believe for one second there is going to be a war.
Notice we don't have a set date, just "the future."

[Diceman Cometh]

I guess I am naive because I do not believe for one second there is going to be a war.

Well perhaps not in the conventional sense (tanks, fighter jets, and bombers) but a war (or "violent conflict", if you prefer) in some form is not an entirely laughable scenario.

[roche]

Notice we don't have a set date, just "the future."

That old gag. That is the out the guests on Art Bell use.

[Smoke]

Well perhaps not in the conventional sense (tanks, fighter jets, and bombers) but a war (or "violent conflict", if you prefer) in some form is not an entirely laughable scenario.
It's not war when a Black gang pulls a White trucker out of his cab and beats him just for being White? The Blacks better wise up, the Mexicans hate them as much as the Klan does.

[abudabit]

Oi, enough of the race shit, seriously. No wonder so few people are willing to stand up against illegal immigration, they don't want to get lumped in with views like that.

[Smoke]

Oi, enough of the race shit, seriously. No wonder so few people are willing to stand up against illegal immigration, they don't want to get lumped in with views like that.
I'm sure if you put up a poll here the majority would favor increased restrictions on immigration. Did you really not expect me to run this into the ground? I'll stay out of the poll if you make it... And don't show the voters.

[abudabit]

The question isn't who would favour increase restrictions on immigration, the question is who would favour a REAL fence, wall, or electronic/arial perimeter. That is what it's going to take.

But then most people would vote yes in an anonymous poll. But history has shown, few people will actually publicly admit that they favour to do so. This is the problem.

I was reading an Arizona newspaper, they called illegal immigrants "entrants". That was thier PC word. Never once did they call them illegal immigrants, or even just immigrants. They were "entrants". Anyways, more "entrants" died crossing the Arizona desert this year then any year in the past. Of course the safety freaks would never actually propose building a wall to help reduce those deaths. And the newspaper would never call the "entrants" what they are. Why? Because it's "racist" to do so. And that stereotype isn't going to go away until people such as yourself stop dragging race into every conversation about illegal immigration.

What do you think sticks out the most in this thread? You do, and your comments on race. Do you think people leaning towards allowing illegal immigration can walk away from this thread having gained any appreciation for border security? Because I think what they take away from this conversation is a smug feeling that thier misconceptions of border security were right.

The truth is, the strong majority of like minded people on this subject aren't racist, but they are afraid to open thier mouths about defending our borders. Society has trained them to avoid the image that you have embedded into this discussion, and understandably so. You help no one but the pro-illegal immigration traitors.

[weakside]

Just a quick thought: I have always thought the stereotype of “lazy Mexicans” was erroneous. They always seem to be working their asses off.

Say what you want about illegal immigration, but I’m not going to work out in the fields anytime soon and I sure as hell don’t want to pay five bucks for a carrot. Our farming industry and economy relies heavily on illegal immigration.

[turdfrgsn]

it's not about race, it's about national sovereignty, anyone of any race, creed, or culture is welcome provided they enter through the prosrcibed channels and in the proscribed timeframe, which in a post 9/11 atmosphere is more critical than it has ever been in the history of this country, and is in effect the very definition of insanity to not enforce existing immigration law if not strengthen it considerably, a couple of months ago both the cia and fbi director testified before both houses of congress that our greatest threat is from our southern borders, no ifs ands or buts about it, since that time sens. mccain and kennedy have introduced amnesty bills that would make it even easier to get in illegally thus encouraging still more to flood in

this is essentially why the dutch and the french rejected the eu constitution, they've opened up their borders and islamofacists have begun to hijack their countries (to the degree that the socialists already haven't that is, but still)

it's about citizenship in this country, either it means something to be a citizen or it doesn't, and while we welcome all comers we do expect them to consider themselves as americans and assimilate into our culture, the language and obey our laws, which, globally speaking, are the most inclusive and open in the history of mankind--you can say what you want, do what you want, worship (or not) how you want, achieve what you want, etc, and provided you do the work and take responsibility for your own actions, the opportunities available to you are wide open

granted that's a tough nut to crack when you have powerful govt. & private institutions working directly against that through the guise of multi-culturalism and affirmative action that downplay the idea of american citizenship, downgrade its worth, obscure any necessity of it and encourage the division of our citizens in terms of ethnicity, gender and skin color (anathama, btw, to everything mlk jr stood for)

our constitution is a contract with the citizens of this country and in the area of immigration our elected government at all levels (federal, state, local and all branches, executive, legislative, judicial) has effectively eviscerated that contract

it's about the law, either the law means something or it means nothing, and if it means nothing, it's anarchy, which is our current situation in border states and in certain cities in the interior w/sanctuary policies that forbid local law enforcement from prosecuting illegals; and also at the federal level when the admin orders it's border patrol to ignore the law and not enforce it

if history means anything and if we follow this chain of events to its logical conclusion, then there will no longer be a united states as we know it, most likely some event--another terrorist attack or something like it--will lead to a successful secession movement either peacefully (which, history shows ain't too damned likely) or through armed civil war (which history shows as the more likely course)

perhaps another terrorist attack would actually strengthen our resolve on immigration, but 9/11 really should have been enough, the entire event hinged on our immigration enforcement and in its wake we've done absolutely nothing to better enforce it, if anything it's been made more lax

rome didn't last forever, neither will we, nothing ever does, but you'd be hard pressed to find a more efficient way to speed along that process here than by how we're dealing with immigration in the current global climate

[Schmed]

Not a question about doing shitty work, high schoolers and college kids should do it, but they're a bunch of spoiled fucking brats. I would've killed to get a job cutting lawns or the like when I was a kid.

The problem is with them flooding our schools, healthcare system, and any other public funded shit. If you have not heard, so many hospitals in CA and AZ no longer offer OB/GYN services because these invaders come across the border, pop our their pups. Thank you for the free healthcare stupid Americano.

As Michael Savage said, OIL for ILLEGALS. Mexico is swimming in crude, 20MM barells a month should help pay for the burden since Bush is not going to rid of this Brown Menance.

[abudabit]

Our farming industry and economy relies heavily on illegal immigration.

Why can't it rely on LEGAL immigration then? :action-sm

[Jolie]

Why can't it rely on LEGAL immigration then? :action-sm

Legal immigrants demand higher wages. Higher wages = higher operating expenses = higher cost to consumers = $5 carrots.

Oh wait. I decided to stay out of this thread...

[abudabit]

Legal immigrants demand higher wages.

Not if we made unskilled work visas easier to obtain.

Now give us a real reason why we shouldn't run background checks on immigrants, screen entrants for contraband, maintain decent working standards, or report thier wages...

[weakside]

Not if we made unskilled work visas easier to obtain.

Now give us a real reason why we shouldn't run background checks on immigrants, screen entrants for contraband, maintain decent working standards, or report thier wages...

People issuing unskilled work visas, set up computers for back ground checks, screen entrants for contraband, do paperwork for income reports, etc. all cost $$$. The cost to hire these additional people would be huge. And for what? To keep out workers who do jobs that no one else wants and who most of the time go back into Mexico after the growing season is over anyway? What would you accomplish other than increasing the tax burden on California while still raising the price of (and I can't emphasize this enough) carrots? Nothing.

As well, Mexicans and Canadians are not blowing up buildings or bringing the vast majority of drugs into our country.

Let’s just admit this idea is based on racism and go from there...

[abudabit]

People issuing unskilled work visas, set up computers for back ground checks, screen entrants for contraband, do paperwork for income reports, etc. all cost $$$. The cost to hire these additional people would be huge. And for what? To keep out workers who do jobs that no one else wants and who most of the time go back into Mexico after the growing season is over anyway?

That is the most ignorant thing I have read so far on this board. If you are issuing unskilled work visas, how the hell are you trying to keep workers OUT of the country?

BTW, we already have people issuing visas, computers running background checks, screening entrants for contraband, and people doing income reports: The INS, Customs, and the IRS/Employers. Should citizens stop reporting thier incomes, too? Should citizens not have to pass through customs, too?

Also, if most illegals go back to "Mexico" (although many come from all over central America) why is the illegal immigrant population building up rapidly? The % of undocumented Californians is rising, not leveling off.

What would you accomplish other than increasing the tax burden on California while still raising the price of (and I can't emphasize this enough) carrots? Nothing.

There are lots and lots of immigrants who come in, use the services, and then leave. The tax burden on California would DECREASE. Not to mention customs, INS, and the IRS are FEDERAL AGENCIES. Only the FTB is a state agency. Your entire post reeks of ignorance.

And if you are still allowing more workers in then there are jobs, the "price of carrots" won't increase. But then again, the majority of illegals don't work in the agriculture field, so I find it odd that you guys keep bringing up carrots.

As well, Mexicans and Canadians are not blowing up buildings or bringing the vast majority of drugs into our country.

75% of coke passing into the country passed through Mexico, and synthetics production is rising in South America. :action-sm

Let’s just admit this idea is based on racism and go from there...

Why, are you racist? Because you are the one making weak arguments. Are there any people here who support allowing illegal immigration through who actually know what they are talking about? Perhaps if you stopped using the strawman people would listen to you... But I guess it is easier to allege racism then to make a valid argument or actually read up on the issue. :icon_roll

Another one destroyed. :action-sm Although you are welcome to try again.

[abudabit]

So nothing bad happens along the border?

http://www.sandiegotribune.com/news/metro/20050603-1147-bn050603bordershooting.html


LIVE OAK SPRINGS – A U.S. Border Patrol agent was wounded in the leg by a shotgun blast Friday morning when he tried to intercept a pickup truck loaded with hundreds of pounds of narcotics.

The unidentified agent, who is based in Campo, was taken by ambulance to a hospital. His wounds were not life-threatening, according to a Border Patrol spokesman.

Heavily-armed Border Patrol agents, backed by Sheriff's deputies and California Highway Patrol officers, sealed off an area south of Interstate 8 between Live Oak Springs and Crestwood Road. Officers searched the area with dogs while two Border Patrol helicopters repeatedly swept the canyons alongside Old Highway 80.

The shooting occurred about 8 a.m., according to Border Patrol Agent Raul Martinez. The single occupant of the pickup shot the agent, then drove off in the truck before abandoning the vehicle a short time later and running into the brush.

By the time the gunman left his vehicle, "the truck was riding on its rims," Martinez said.

He said the shooting took place in the Tierra del Sol area near the U.S.-Mexico border, about 60 miles east of San Diego. The area is notorious for both drug and illegal immigrant smuggling.


Or how about this one? http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/march2005/10/siege.htm

[weakside]

Damn, stupid Wackbag shut down yesterday as I was trying to post my response. Now I am too f'ing lazy to rewrite. So let me sum up my lost post...

1. You do make some good points.

2. You are still not recognizing the economic ramifications concerning this issue.

3. $5 carrots suck

4. Jessica Alba is a hot piece of ass.

[turdfrgsn]

Jessica Alba is a hot piece of ass.

well put, sir

but don't forget shakeeeera
http://www.celebritydetective.com/shakira6.jpg

she can come over and freely wig out on her native country's #1 export product at my hoose any DAY

and i won't report it

i promise

[weakside]

I concur...Very nice!

[Smoke]

As well, Mexicans and Canadians are not blowing up buildings or bringing the vast majority of drugs into our country.
You don't think we're getting cocaine from Mexico and BC Bud from Canada? Are you insane? /opie

[Smoke]

Just a quick thought: I have always thought the stereotype of “lazy Mexicans” was erroneous. They always seem to be working their asses off.
I've read the Mexicans take a midday break, sort of like our (my?) extended lunch hour due to the high heat. To the hardworking Protestants, that's slacking off. So I think that's where that idea comes from.

[led37zep]

well put, sir

but don't forget shakeeeera
http://www.celebritydetective.com/shakira6.jpg

she can come over and freely wig out on her native country's #1 export product at my hoose any DAY

and i won't report it

i promise

Why does she look like a tranny in that pic? Oooh, here comes my erection...well done.

[abudabit]

I don't know about Shakira, but Jessica Alba qualifies under the 1 day turn around PAV-34 Visa, also know as the "Piece Of Ass Visa".

But seriously, I didn't realize that Shakira and Jessica Alba were illegal immigrants. Why does everyone assume that people who want to crack down on illegal immigration are anti-immigration?

[weakside]

You don't think we're getting cocaine from Mexico and BC Bud from Canada? Are you insane? /opie

:icon_redf

As Jimmy would say, lol.. I was waiting for someone to jump on me about that. Your right, there is a major pipeline of drugs coming through Mexico. Meth is being produced in Mexico and Cocaine is coming up through by way of South America. I misspoke on that.

But much like Vos I was so excited to make a point (my stupid fingers just could not type fast enough) that I left out a major portion of my point: I was not talking about drug dealers specifically. What I was referring to the illegal that comes here for agricultural reasons only, which accounts for the VAST majority of illegal in California. They are not the ones bringing the drugs in.

(Just to add to this Mr. Drug dealer and his “mules” that goes back and forth between Mexico and the U.S. actually lives in Mexico, not California. Besides, are we really going to blame the people who make the drug and transport it or should we blame the demand itself? Yeech, I sound like a f’ing liberal hippie…)

Anyway, I could give a shit either way because the drug trade was not what I was trying to defend. My one and only point is this: Agriculture depends on illegal immigrants, and since Agriculture is the #1 industry in California it would be foolish to add additional resources with the goal of eliminating it.

I say we concentrate on P.O.A’s like Jessica and Shikira and be glad (I have to say it) your carrots don’t cost $5 a pop.

[weakside]

Why does she look like a tranny in that pic? Oooh, here comes my erection...well done.

There are some better pictures of her than that one...but I still have to say that picture was hot enough to get me going...

[droogsteve]

1)Jessica Alba is American. She was born in Pomona, California and her father served in the US Air Force.

2)Enough with the $5 carrot idiocy. For a carrot to cost $5, you'd have to pay laborers somewhere around three hundred dollars an hour. Would there be an increase in produce prices if we paid legal workers a living wage? Sure, but a reasonable one. And any negative impact on the economy would be MORE than offset by the trillions in new taxable income, as well as eliminating the drain illegals put on public services. And I personally would be more than happy to pay a little more if it meant insuring that legal workers were making a decent living.

I can't believe people actually claim that we should allow illegal immigrants to destroy this nation in the name of cheaper vegtables. Are you shitting me or what? Hey, I have an idea: let's let the agriculture industry sell crack to maximize their profits! Why not? You believe that they should be allowed to break the law and hire illegals for a bigger profit, so why not take it a step further?


The $5 carrot and $3 strawberry scenarios are nothing but propaganda put out by illegal immigration apologists and have no basis in reality. Just like the "they do jobs Americans won't do" nonsense. It's bullshit. Americans won't do those jobs because the wages have been artificially lowered by the illegals. It's self perpetuating.


If your goal is to destroy the working class and create a society of just rich and poor, allowing illegal immigration will accomplish that goal nicely.

[weakside]

If your goal is to destroy the working class and create a society of just rich and poor, allowing illegal immigration will accomplish that goal nicely.

Yes, that is my goal...

Well, one of my goals. The other is to wack my bag until I am tired, rest, and then wack it again. :icon_mrgr

[weakside]

I hate the working class...they always mess up my food orders.

[droogsteve]

Thanks for breaking those jokes into two posts, I would have lost control of my bowels with laughter had they been posted together. :rolleyes:

[weakside]

Thanks for breaking those jokes into two posts, I would have lost control of my bowels with laughter had they been posted together. :rolleyes:

Your welcome fella! :action-sm

[Smoke]

If your goal is to destroy the working class and create a society of just rich and poor, allowing illegal immigration will accomplish that goal nicely.
Exactly why the Democrats should be against all immigration while we're (according to them) losing jobs... Maybe if we didn't have too many people competing for cheap stuff their wages would rise and they could buy stuff, thus helping the economy along. As long as the unions are protected, the non-union people can screw off.

[weakside]

I will add this final note:

If we find cheap and easy a way to issue Temporary Work Visas without killing us in new taxes and with minimal cost increase to agriculture, then I say I let’s check them all. When our people were attacked on 9/11 the first thing I wanted to know is how the F’ did those shits get in to our country? Security clearance was lax and law enforcement organizations didn’t communicate with each other. Very nice.

The problem I have is having worked for the government all my life I know how things work. They (the Gov.) will increase the cost of checking them all, which will increase taxes. Then the ones who do get in legally will be able to access more services (a f’ing entitlement for having gone through the Visa process) and demand a higher rate of pay. All bad for selfish money-grubbing me.

But believe me, if we find a cheap way to do this I would be all for it. I just doubt there is one.

[abudabit]

Unchecked borders don't just hurt America. But also think about who we are letting in from this city.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050609/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_lawless_city;_ylt=Artbm2U3I1F5FZ2dWpd208Rva A8F;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - Alejandro Dominguez was the only person brave enough to be police chief. Hours after he took office, assailants riddled his body with dozens of bullets in this city wracked by a turf battle between Mexico's two main drug gangs.

The streets were virtually empty Thursday, a day after the killing, with only a handful of federal police armed with rifles and automatic weapons making routine patrols in pickup trucks and army vehicles.

"We are defenseless," attorney Zorina Medrano said at City Hall. "It's obvious that the criminals are better organized (than the authorities). They sent the national army and even they weren't respected. Who else can we ask for help?"

Nuevo Laredo, across the border from Laredo, Texas, is the busiest border crossing for cargo trucks heading to the United States from Mexico. But frequent shootouts have virtually halted the flood of U.S. tourists who normally pour over the border to drink, shop for arts and crafts and visit the red-light distict.

Since January, more than 60 people were killed in this city of nearly 350,000, including Dominguez and six other police officials. A man and a woman were shot around midnight in the continuing violence.

The United States has warned tourists and others to be careful in the border region, and U.S. officials have said the violence could threaten trade.

Dominguez, 52, knew the odds — but thought he could beat them.

"I don't owe anybody anything," he said before taking office. "My duty is to the citizenry. I think those who should be afraid are those who have been compromised."

When he climbed into his pickup truck late Wednesday, a group of men pulled up in three dark Chevy Suburbans and blocked his car, a witness told reporters.

The assailants opened fire from inside their cars, then got out to shoot more, said the witness, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. Dominguez was hit dozens of times.

Then the gunmen climbed back in their cars and headed west slowly, lights turned off, the witness said.

Officials said they had no suspects in Dominguez's death, although the assault rifles used were similar to those popular among drug hit men.

Most city officials nervously channeled questions to Mayor Daniel Pena, who spent the day in private meetings, unavailable for comment.

But councilman Joaquim Trevino did speak out, calling on President
Vicente Fox to do more to help end the violence, even though the federal government sent in 700 soldiers and federal agents two months ago. "The reality is that there isn't anyone who wants this job," he said.

Eliseo Serrato, who shines shoes near a bridge linking the United States and Mexico, used to work late into the night, he said. Now, he heads home before dark.

"I don't know what the solution is," Serrato said. "Sometimes I think there is none."

The former police chief left his post in early May to become City Council secretary. City officials searched for weeks before hiring Dominguez, the leader of the local chamber of commerce and a former anti-drug official at the federal attorney general's office.

Dominguez was the only applicant for the job, which many saw as a death sentence. "Anyone who takes that job is risking their life," Serrato said.

While drug violence has increased all along the border, Nuevo Laredo has become the center of a turf battle between the Juarez and Gulf cartels.

A 19-year-old liquor store clerk, who refused to give his name for fear of retribution, said tourists have stopped crossing over from Texas and sales have dropped by more than half since January, when the violence intensified.

The clerk shrugged off news of the killing, noting that his friend was shot and wounded last week while driving down the street. The motive for that shooting was unknown.

Chris Amundsen, 57, of San Antonio — one of the few tourists in town — shrugged off the U.S. tourism warning.

"You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time anywhere in the world," he said while drinking a beer with his girlfriend during an afternoon shopping trip.

Drug-related violence in Nuevo Laredo worsened after the 2003 arrest of Osiel Cardenas, the alleged leader of the Gulf Cartel, in the nearby city of Matamoros, authorities say.

Accused drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman has been fighting Cardenas to gain access to drug smuggling routes in Nuevo Laredo and other border cities, they say.

A group of Mexican soldiers who defected to join the drug trade have become know as the Zetas, and police say they are responsible for carrying out much of the Gulf Cartel's killings.

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Associated Press reporter Jorge Vargas contributed to this report from Nuevo Laredo.

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What's even more fucked up is that Mexico has an illegal immigration problem of it's own, people from Central America. Apparently, Mexico is the richest of all the hispanic mud pits south of our border, and to top it off, Vicente Fox is rolling out a form of border patrol and fences to stop the invasion into Mexico, yet this hypocrite motherfucker says the US is wrong for protecting it's borders from his spanish speaking eskimos.

Land mines on our border (lil' toe poppers), signs in Spanish warning the invaders, and our problem is solved, unless of course one of these invaders gets his foot blown off, and the ACLU sues the US Govt.

"The White Judeo-Christian Male is the most Hated species on this Planet" - Dr. Michael Savage.

[HappinessIs]

What about the Irish?

[Schmed]

Happiness,

I'm a man of Ireland myself, born in Dublin (south side), family in Glasnevin and Ballymun. I hear Ireland is getting overrun too, by Croats, Haitians, and the rest of the 3rd world dregs.
What the fuck is wrong with the western world ?, we open our doors to these animals, and they overrun, bomb us, tax our public assistance system, and then scream that they are not treated fairly.

When the Irish, Italians, Germans, and the rest of Europe immigrated to America in the turn of the century, they were happy to be here and would never think of going on some form of public assistance.

The immigrants in this day and age stink!

[Green Hornet]

Nope, I never did.