Xbox 360 Will NOT Support Xbox Accessories [Archive] - The Unofficial Opie and Anthony Message Board

JohnFromPhilly

07-06-2005, 03:48 PM

Once a huge rumor going all over the net, now has been confirmed by Microsoft Japan. Microsoft has confirmed that the Xbox 360 will not support accessories from the current Xbox and the company has no plans to support now or in the future for the 360. Nintendo's Revolution will support Gamecube Accessories with a built in section on the console (Controllers, and Memory Cards) and the PS3 will also follow suit with an adapter to plug into one of the 6 USB ports (Controllers, Memory Cards).This comfirmation is more proff that MS will not be supporting current generation games on the next, if the 360 does not support Xbox Memory Cards, how will i transfer old game data over? And since the Xbox HD is not removable, there is no way to transfer data over, the only thing known to be compatible from Xbox - Xbox 360 is your Xbox Live! account. Tough break for Xbox fans.

MikeHimself

07-06-2005, 03:58 PM

xbox 360 is just a PC for dumbies. If I had to buy a new console, I would wait for the ps3.

JohnFromPhilly

07-06-2005, 04:28 PM

PS3 is by far the more superior console, PS3 does everything to the next next next......power. MS supports 4 controllers wirelessly, Sony supports 8, MS has Memory Cards, Sony has SD/Memory Sticks/Memory Stick Pro's, Microsoft has a 20GB HD, Sony will have 80GB, the list goes on and one. I have some likns people can click to check out the scans of the PSM article written about the PS3 and it shows all of it's features and explains them in detail. Also i have an image showing the PS2 (Regular), PS2 (Redesign), PS3, and XBox 360 all standing next to one another to show the size difference.

PSM Scans:
http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_10872.html
http://www.jeux-france.com/images1_4_10872.html
http://www.jeux-france.com/images2_4_10872.html
http://www.jeux-france.com/images3_4_10872.html
http://www.jeux-france.com/images4_4_10872.html
http://www.jeux-france.com/images5_4_10872.html

The article points things i did not know about the PS3 mainly that te PS3 will act as a Router! And the article also explains the sudden controller design change.

Size Difference:
http://hardware.gamesweb.sk/images/p_ps319.jpg

Brady T cell

07-06-2005, 04:50 PM

Brady T cell

07-06-2005, 05:05 PM

Oh, and the comparison pic is a fake that's going around the web. The PS3 is about an inch bigger all the way around. They should both fit into an entertainment rack pretty well.

XMScott

07-06-2005, 05:39 PM

How is the 360 a "pc for dummies" but not the PS3? Not logical.

I'm probably gonna get the 360 just based on exclusive titles and because of Live..and because of the games I've seen.

Once I have the 360, I could care less about original Xbox games. The difference in AI, graphics and sound won't make me want to play the old ones anyway.

Whats to say Sony's new online plan doesnt kick Live's ass

I dont care, I think im getting a Revolution, im sick and tired of console fangirls bickering over graphics, Gameplay is what im after

PC and an Nintendo

Brady T cell

07-06-2005, 08:31 PM

Whats to say Sony's new online plan doesnt kick Live's ass

I dont care, I think im getting a Revolution, im sick and tired of console fangirls bickering over graphics, Gameplay is what im after

PC and an Nintendo
Relax. I wasn't fanboy-ing anything. JohnFromPhilly is a good guy. We share the same disgust of game message boards. :clap: I was just giving him the heads up that the size comparison pic was a fake. I saw both of the consoles at E3 and they are pretty much the same size.

JohnFromPhilly

07-06-2005, 08:51 PM

hoo hoo i invented the fanboys robin, tell 'em fred. Theres no argument going on here, thanks for the good words there T Cell

13tongimp

07-07-2005, 05:02 PM

This doesn't really surprise me, as MS is again going to lose so much money on console production costs, that they aim to make it up with accessories. I've read that the console will try to encourage the use of wireless controllers, but you will be able to buy wired ones that connect to the USB ports. If this is true, then I imagine you could possibly use an XBox (original) to USB adapter to use the current controllers on the new system....however, I'm just speculating.

I have an converter that allows you to use PS2 sticks on the XBox, and I have one that allows you to use the PS2 controller for the PC, so pretty much anything like that could be easily manufactured.

Smoke

07-07-2005, 06:27 PM

Meanwhile, I can install 20 year old games and for the most part they will still work. I can download countless community created modules. I can surf for porn and read wackbag. I can use any controller if I want.

My games still cost $50 or so, so the only way we all win is if the games on both PCs and consoles are cross platform. I would have hoped for XBox-PC compatibility, but even though they don't make money on the box themselves they won't allow it...

Then again, I don't watch TV, so what do I know.

BIV

07-08-2005, 05:24 AM

SOS

07-09-2005, 09:26 PM

And while we only have to spend $400 once to get an X-box or PS3, you have to put at least that much into your computer ever six months just to play the latest games.

Console>PC

Console games are fun but they are stuck for years with specific specs while computer games can surmount stagnant platforms and become innovators.

Besides, computer games become discounted far quicker than console games( if they become discounted at all) and computer games are easier to exploit cheats/trainers/3rd party goodies. The costs of buying lots of discounted computer games therefore is far less than buying $20+ for the same number console games.

Also, console games usually all get ported to the PC and we get all of them instead of waiting for specific deals between companies and console makers hoping that a series might be made for the console we own.

Bloody Show

07-10-2005, 12:36 AM

How about this the graphics card i want is over 900 dollars and that is just one piece of my pc

Comps > Consoles it is no contest.

As for xbox360 & ps3 or wtf else is next i will still buy them all because i am sucker and a tool for games.
Ofcourse they make us buy all new controlers !!

Brady T cell

07-10-2005, 01:21 AM

Console games are fun but they are stuck for years with specific specs while computer games can surmount stagnant platforms and become innovators.

Besides, computer games become discounted far quicker than console games( if they become discounted at all) and computer games are easier to exploit cheats/trainers/3rd party goodies. The costs of buying lots of discounted computer games therefore is far less than buying $20+ for the same number console games.

Also, console games usually all get ported to the PC and we get all of them instead of waiting for specific deals between companies and console makers hoping that a series might be made for the console we own.

I dissagree. Take all the $$ you have spent on your pc and games since 2001 and compare it to what I've spent on Xbox games and the difference will be way in my favor...or any console players favor.

The next gen of consoles(both Xbox and Sony) will make it even tougher for people to justify pc games. There will still be a market of course but consoles open up a whole new fanbase that doesn't want to have to upgrade video cards or chase down patches to play games.

The next gen will allow you to create maps etc. and be able to play them online.

Console games drop in price pretty quickly as well. I only pay $50 for very few. I also trade in alot so I hardly ever pay full price....plus, you can rent the games for months at a time for pretty cheap.

*gets off soapbox*

BIV

07-10-2005, 03:26 AM

I'd like to see if X-box will have enough power to handle modding, like for Oblivion. I'll admit that is the biggest reason to get PC games, but once consoles get modding it'll be just about over for PC gaming.

TaZMaNiaK

07-10-2005, 10:17 AM

I've read that the console will try to encourage the use of wireless controllers, but you will be able to buy wired ones that connect to the USB ports. If this is true, then I imagine you could possibly use an XBox (original) to USB adapter to use the current controllers on the new system....however, I'm just speculating.

I have an converter that allows you to use PS2 sticks on the XBox, and I have one that allows you to use the PS2 controller for the PC, so pretty much anything like that could be easily manufactured.

Xbox controllers already are USB, it's just a funky connection. There would be absolutely no problem making a plug adapter for it, and that being said, if you were to put a USB plug on an Xbox controller, you can plug it into a PC's USB port. With a homebrew driver, available on Sourceforge, the PC would recognize it with no problem. Conversely, the same plug hack would work on an Xbox 360, since again it is standard USB, but Microsoft is saying that the 360 will not have a driver for the "legacy" Xbox controller. They probably won't make it easy to load one on, either. The PS2-to-Xbox controller adapter that you have is a simple translator. It contains the Xbox USB chipset, which makes the Xbox think it has a Microsoft controller plugged in, and it takes the signals from the PS2 controller and converts them to USB. Same thing with the PS2-to-PC converter. Anything is possible with USB, as long as there are drivers for it. If there's no drivers, it'll just sit there like a dumb shit, which is what a standard Xbox controller will do on the 360.

Now, MY wish for both systems (I'm not getting a 360, just a PS3) is that you will have the option of using a keyboard and mouse, rather than the controllers. And it has to be part of the hardware, not the responsibility of the software companies (meaning you can use it on any game, past present or future, all the way back to PlayStation, seamlessly, not just if the software developer has coded in support for it). I love console games, but I hate using a controller.

TaZMaNiaK

07-10-2005, 10:28 AM

Once I have the 360, I could care less about original Xbox games. The difference in AI, graphics and sound won't make me want to play the old ones anyway.

Maybe for you, but as much as I love GTA: Vice and San Andreas, I still love GTA: London, 1969 for PlayStation. I have several other PS games that I play regularly, too. I also don't have the money to go buck wild and buy a ton of games for PS3 when it comes out. I'll get maybe 1 or 2, and still be able to play PS2 and PS1 games. Reverse-compatibility is key, and it translates into a lot of sales that would otherwise be missed.

JohnFromPhilly

07-10-2005, 03:11 PM

not only that, but what about some of your all time favorite Xbox games like Fable, Jade Empire, both Max Payne's, Kung Fu Chaos, Moto GP, Oddworld, Oddworld: Stranger, KOTOR, Whacked!, Crimson Skies, Mechassault, Rallisport 2, Unreal Championship 1 & 2, Return To Castle Wolenstein, Rainbow Six Black Arrow, and so many more i can name, all of those games do not have sequels at launch for Xbox 360, are you willing to let your favorite games go to play games on the next xbox that wont even be as good as the games i named? To me Bacvkwards Compatibility is a key feature, it is required not because it is something that is revolutionary, it is required because it is the right thing to do for your customers.

Warfarer

07-10-2005, 10:59 PM

The 360 has only announced a handfull of launch games including the one that i want the most of all of them, Elder scrolls. All games being in hd is what worries me though. I have a nice hd tv but they tend to consider 480p as "HD" and i really disagree with that. 720p and 1080i are the only two acceptable forms of hd in my eyes and i wonder what resolution they will support on the new console.

The key that 360 is shooting for is the release date for the PS3. They are launching the daddy game on 360 at release with the PS3, Halo 3.

Not sure why they didn't look at Nintendo's downfall and learn from it with their backwards comp. issues. Nintendo brought out the 64 which was a much better machine than PS1 but PS1 supported cds and nintendo didn't. Thne gamecube gets released to take on the PS2 and it is as good but has no DVD support meanwhile not supporting anything from the console before. This is why Nintendo is way behind microsoft for 2nd in market share. The fact that Microsoft didn't have the foresight to see this being a problem makes me think that they really believe Halo 3 and big specs are going to carry this.

BeezerBlanks

07-10-2005, 11:13 PM

I coulda swore the revolutions is backwards compatible

http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/nintendo_gdc_revolution_backwards_compatible_03100 143/

http://www.igniq.com/2005/05/revolution-sleek-backwards-compatible.html

Warfarer

07-10-2005, 11:18 PM

I haven't read anything about the revolutions until those articles that you posted links to. According to that it will be backwards comp but does that mean it still won't support DVDs? This may be yet another stupid move from Nintendo in an attempt to gain some market share back. This coupled with the fact that there really aren't more than a handfull of good games for the Gamecube really doesn't appeal to me. IMO Zelda is the only reason to even consider buying a Nintendo product anymore. I loved the creepiness of Eternal Darkness and the Resisdent Evil games are creepy too but will this really drive their share up enough to stay around in consoles?

BeezerBlanks

07-11-2005, 12:37 AM

From what I can tell no DVD for the gamecube but I don't thinks it'll be a make or break for most buyers. I have to agree that nintendo needs more gamecube only games that don't include mario party and zelda because they are very nitch markets.

I loved playin tales of symphonia for my GC zeldas always good and my GF loves mario party but theres no way I'd go out and buy a new nintendo system right now. I ended up gettin my GC for like $100 a year or 2 ago so it was a decent buy.

I'm definetely gonna wait to see how the system war turns out cause now I"m catching up on some games for PC I never really got into. I just got a copy of Baldurs gate from a friend at work and its comsuming my nights....least when I'm not too drunk to play.

JohnFromPhilly

07-11-2005, 12:46 AM

"The key that 360 is shooting for is the release date for the PS3. They are launching the daddy game on 360 at release with the PS3, Halo 3."

Xbox 360 and Microsoft cannot rely on one game again as they did on the Xbox, this is why Sony has the most market and Nintendo follows them, they both have great game after great game as to where Microsoft only has one game and one game only that is really a success. Sony has MGS, SOCOM, Gran Turismo, Jak, Ratchet, Killzone, and even though XBox got FF XI, Sony still holds Final Fantasy, Everquest, etc. Nintendo has Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Advance Wars, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Donkey Konga, Zelda, Nintendogs, etc. Microsft has Halo, thats it, Fable is now ported to the PC. Jade Empire did not sell, Conker sadly is not moving units, Rare is not doing so well at MS as all would thought. There are alot of buried treasures on Xbox that i mentioned in my previous post, its those games that will suffer the most if there is no backwards compatibility. Halo 3 will not dampen the PS3 launch, and if MS does have H3 out on PS3 launch, it'll be another rushed game from MS and it'll sell, but it will not have anything new to add. Halo 3 is not going to be enough, Sony has tons of games at launch that will keep Halo 3 down.

Warfarer

07-11-2005, 11:18 AM

I have heard that perfect dark is supposed to also be on 360 but we will have to see and if it is the 360 will be the shooter console of choice.

CrisK

07-11-2005, 02:20 PM

All games being in hd is what worries me though. I have a nice hd tv but they tend to consider 480p as "HD" and i really disagree with that. 720p and 1080i are the only two acceptable forms of hd in my eyes and i wonder what resolution they will support on the new console.

"You’ll see all Xbox 360 titles at 720p and 1080i resolution in 16:9 widescreen, with anti-aliasing for smooth, movie-like graphics and multi-channel surround sound."

http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1/

Warfarer

07-11-2005, 09:51 PM

SWEET. The stats on this thing look like they will be more powerful than my gaming comp and that is going to be nice. I am really happy they are actually going to use true hd content too. Not sure why there are only a few games in 720 or 1080 on xbox since it supports both too though.

mims

07-12-2005, 06:39 PM

I have heard that perfect dark is supposed to also be on 360 but we will have to see and if it is the 360 will be the shooter console of choice.

It's gonna be a launch title for the 360, andaccording to IGN, Perfect Dark 0 was completely mind-blowing and looked nothing like the horrible showing on the MTV special.
They said it was on par with Gears of War. I can't wait to get this game. Excellent article at IGN.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616196p1.html

Here's a quick snippet:

"the game was only using about 25% to 30% of the system's full power. And Perfect Dark Zero looked incredible. Incredible. It looked nearly as good as Gears of War, which, in my humble opinion is the best looking 360 game of the show so far (I saw that running in realtime too). So, simply put, Perfect Dark Zero shocked me.

Shocked, because I wanted to see this at the Microsoft conference. Shocked, because they hid a game that clearly does NOT look like merde. Shocked, because this looked like a real next-generation game, completely changing my perception I had temporarily formed based on the early screenshots. For whatever reasons Microsoft didn't want to show it, the game I saw looked like the game I wanted to play, and have imagined playing for years"

Hellz yeah!!

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tmbrwn

07-12-2005, 09:45 PM

play station sucks...get over it xbox will own the world one day

JohnFromPhilly

07-13-2005, 01:47 PM

i dunno what world your living on, but Xbox is failing big time in Japan and there is a report that they may be pulling out of Japan all together. A survey of the 100% of gamers in was taken and the question was "Are you going to be getting an Xbox 360?" only 2% said yes. Xbox sales are absolutely abismal in Japan, PSone games are outselling the hardware and software alone. Nintendo right now is the king over there with 17 games in the top 100 and Sony is right on there ass, Microsoft does not have one title in the top 100 games, and the Xbox is only moving 200 or lower units a week in Japan. Here is the article:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/12/news_6128891.html

mims

07-13-2005, 02:58 PM

Microsoft doesn't need Japan, Nintendo does.

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TaZMaNiaK

07-16-2005, 03:48 PM

play station sucks...get over it xbox will own the world one day

Not at the rate they're going.. :icon_roll

I still stand by my position that the only thing either company needs to do the make their consoles sell better is to give them the ability to use a keyboard and mouse. There are a LOT of PC gamers out there that won't play a console game because they hate the controllers. Ant is one of them.

13tongimp

07-16-2005, 05:23 PM

Microsoft doesn't need Japan, Nintendo does.

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Wrong. If you want to really dominate the industry you HAVE to get a strong foothold in the Asian markets. Look at the installed user base of the PS2 and compare that to the Xbox and you will see a HUGE gap, and that has a lot to do with Asia.

In fact, there was a recent GameSpot story posted just a few days ago concerning an independent survey undertaken in Japan that showed only 2% of people there were looking forward to the 360's launch. Ouch.

I have all three current major consoles, and I play PC games as well. I look forward to playing all the new systems, and I'm sure that like the current batch, each will have their own strenghts and weaknesses. I do think that Nintendo might be going through a last gasp scenario when it comes to consoles, and this is coming from a long time fan of the big N.

P.S. I fucking hate console fanboyism, as it is pointlessly stupid and adolescent

Etherfiend

07-16-2005, 05:56 PM

Not at the rate they're going.. :icon_roll

I still stand by my position that the only thing either company needs to do the make their consoles sell better is to give them the ability to use a keyboard and mouse. There are a LOT of PC gamers out there that won't play a console game because they hate the controllers. Ant is one of them.

best idea i've heard in awhile. i've been saying that for years, hoo hoo. i don't know why XBOX or PS haven't added a keyboard and mouse yet.

FPS with a mouse and keyboard on XBOX would be great. so much easier to aim. plus great for games like Command and Conquer and Warcraft...

(didn't dreamcast have a keyboard for chatting during online play?)

d0uche_n0zzle

07-16-2005, 05:59 PM

Looky here... (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8205332596&category=41015&rd=1)

JohnFromPhilly

07-16-2005, 11:56 PM

Hoo Hoo I Invented The Adapter To Add A Keyboard/Mouse To An Xbox/PS2 Robin, Hoo Hoo Even The Gaming Business Is Ripping Me Off.

BIV

07-17-2005, 03:40 AM

Not at the rate they're going.. :icon_roll

I still stand by my position that the only thing either company needs to do the make their consoles sell better is to give them the ability to use a keyboard and mouse. There are a LOT of PC gamers out there that won't play a console game because they hate the controllers. Ant is one of them.
I never understood this. I can't stand the keyboard/mouse combo. It's one of the reasons I hate PC gaming since controllers never seem to work right on a PC.

tar_baby

07-28-2005, 01:06 PM

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=69024&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=710883&highlight=

XMScott

07-28-2005, 01:10 PM

JohnFromPhilly

07-28-2005, 02:57 PM

also along with keyboard and mouse support, make the consoles upgradable with new performance parts, Skins and Faceplates are NOT fucking considered major upgrades or customization in my view.

d0uche_n0zzle

07-28-2005, 03:09 PM

also along with keyboard and mouse support, make the consoles upgradable with new performance parts, Skins and Faceplates are NOT fucking considered major upgrades or customization in my view.

Well, apparently those assholes at M$ think so.

Modding to me means you take the thing apart and do all sorts of crazy shit to make it yours, a unique and beautiful snowflake.

Something a fuck like Bill Gates just doesn't get.