O&A Listening Thread 08/16/05

[GoodLuckBro]

Great interview with Cavett. Loved it!

Go Cubs!

[SonnyForelli]

For the record
(not that there is any real "record" here)

I was a kid in the 60's and grew up with the M&M boys - so that "qualfies" me to "claim" a few more than "4 championships".

And what does it matter if you weren't alive in the 20's-30's-40's, etc?

I can still take pride in the tradition that has gone on before.

That's such a silly argument.

The truth is - the *current* Yankees are right there in it. In a race for the division lead and a race for the wild card.

The same wild card, by the way, that the "sawks" got in with last year.

And we all know how that turned out.

Yeah, they bitch-slapped the Cardinals in the WS. At least we showed up for some games.

I *hate* the Cardinals just because of this. Because they laid down like ready-to-get-***** bitches and just handed Boston the series.

They didn't deserve to beat Houston. The 'Stros would have put up a better fight.

Etch!

Bad memories . . .

Too Bad your werent at Po's on Saturday, I would have loved to dig you about the Yankmees

[dredpiratrobert]

This has to be one of the most misinformed posts I've read on this site. Aside from the Rush is full of shit comment (as is Hannity), saying liberals are the kings and queens of name calling is absurd. Lets rewind back a few months - who was the flip flopper? Who painted a war hero as a traitor and child murderer? Who displays hypocracy at EVERY corner they turn? OK, well both sides do that, but to even try to dispute that conservatives aren't the most vile syndrome to hit this nation since hippies is insanity. You can't win an argument with a conservative because you can't argue with a wall. There's no sense to it. And conservatives tend to be racist- check out the rest of this board!

Remember, in 1776, the people who sided with the British were the conservatives. They had a lot to lose with a new government. Oh, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Liberals. Chew on that and get back to me.

I guess someone doesn't understand that there are different types of liberalism and that liberalism means different things in different times and places. As I said on another page, Classical Liberalism is the liberalism of Jefferson and Washington; Modern Liberalism or Leftism is the liberalism of Moore and Chomsky and International ANSWER and other socialist nitwits. Talk about vile disease-spreading garbage. Classical liberals have more in line with modern conservatives than the modern left.

It amazes me that liberals today like to claim they inherited the ideals of the Founders but will turn around and call the Founders "rich, white, slaveowners" to demean them and paint them as exploiters of the poor. Guess what. Most of the Founders favored private property and gun ownership and many were *gasp* religious, whether Deist or Christian. There is a broad disconnect between them and the current progressive movement.

And you want to talk about racist. Well, the Democratic party was for slavery in the 19th century and was for the slavery of the welfare state in the 20th century and into the 21st. The Republicans voted in a greater percentage for Civil Rights legislation in the 60s. Affirmative action? Hate crimes legislation? Nothing but race-based social engineering. Does it uplift a person to know that he or she was hired because of color instead of qualifications?

I don't buy the convenient cop-out of "both sides are equally as bad." Some will definitely disagree, but the right, even with its deficiencies, is more in line with the country's founding principles than the left. I find the right so much more acceptable even if I disagree at times. The more relevant discussion in this country isn't right vs. left. It's the debate within conservativism.

[peteyballzzz]

Too Bad your werent at Po's on Saturday, I would have loved to dig you about the Yankmees
yankmees?...please tell me that was a typo...yuk

[abudabit]

I always liked conservative talk show hosts like Beck and Tom Sullivan better than Rush and Hannity. Hannity is a cool person, but his debate style is so closed he might as well be part of Air America.

[GoodLuckBro]

I guess someone doesn't understand that there are different types of liberalism and that liberalism means different things in different times and places. As I said on another page, Classical Liberalism is the liberalism of Jefferson and Washington; Modern Liberalism or Leftism is the liberalism of Moore and Chomsky and International ANSWER and other socialist nitwits. Talk about vile disease-spreading garbage. Classical liberals have more in line with modern conservatives than the modern left.

It amazes me that liberals today like to claim they inherited the ideals of the Founders but will turn around and call the Founders "rich, white, slaveowners" to demean them and paint them as exploiters of the poor. Guess what. Most of the Founders favored private property and gun ownership and many were *gasp* religious, whether Deist or Christian. There is a broad disconnect between them and the current progressive movement.

And you want to talk about racist. Well, the Democratic party was for slavery in the 19th century and was for the slavery of the welfare state in the 20th century and into the 21st. The Republicans voted in a greater percentage for Civil Rights legislation in the 60s. Affirmative action? Hate crimes legislation? Nothing but race-based social engineering. Does it uplift a person to know that he or she was hired because of color instead of qualifications?

I don't buy the convenient cop-out of "both sides are equally as bad." Some will definitely disagree, but the right, even with its deficiencies, is more in line with the country's founding principles than the left. I find the right so much more acceptable even if I disagree at times. The more relevant discussion in this country isn't right vs. left. It's the debate within conservatism.

I'm a college student, and you wouldn't believe the amount of "liberalism" that is being pumped out of these classes. Professors ask loaded questions, which i'm more than happy to turn around on them. It's a bunch of garbage. You can get someone to say that Hitler was a saint if you ask the right questions. And, Hitler was no saint. Anyway, you have me on your side.

[GoodLuckBro]

I always liked conservative talk show hosts like Beck and Tom Sullivan better than Rush and Hannity. Hannity is a cool person, but his debate style is so closed he might as well be part of Air America.
That's understandable. I like Hannity, and i think that there is something to be said that he'll actually address the issue with someone. Unlike Rush, who just hangs up. Hannity is usually right, although i have heard him get a little flustered and change the subject.

[charlie dick]

...I don't agree with all bible thumping conservatives, but they're better than the liberals who believe in taking everyone's money and pissing it away on whatever they think is politically advantageous to them.

From The Washington Post:

"President George W. Bush interrupted his five-week vacation on Wednesday to travel from his ranch in Crawford, Texas to Montgomery, Illinois to sign the enormous $286.4 billion transportation bill. The legislation stands at 1,000 pages and is laden with pork-barrel projects."

The irony of this is stunning, and humorously the GOPpers can blame the Clinton administration for initiating the seachange we now see.

Clinton co-opted popular planks of the GOP platform, such as welfare reform, so the Republicans became the big spender control freaks.

The GOP is no longer the party of fiscal restraint.

[BadGuy]

I guess someone doesn't understand that there are different types of liberalism and that liberalism means different things in different times and places. As I said on another page, Classical Liberalism is the liberalism of Jefferson and Washington; Modern Liberalism or Leftism is the liberalism of Moore and Chomsky and International ANSWER and other socialist nitwits. Talk about vile disease-spreading garbage. Classical liberals have more in line with modern conservatives than the modern left.

It amazes me that liberals today like to claim they inherited the ideals of the Founders but will turn around and call the Founders "rich, white, slaveowners" to demean them and paint them as exploiters of the poor. Guess what. Most of the Founders favored private property and gun ownership and many were *gasp* religious, whether Deist or Christian. There is a broad disconnect between them and the current progressive movement.

And you want to talk about racist. Well, the Democratic party was for slavery in the 19th century and was for the slavery of the welfare state in the 20th century and into the 21st. The Republicans voted in a greater percentage for Civil Rights legislation in the 60s. Affirmative action? Hate crimes legislation? Nothing but race-based social engineering. Does it uplift a person to know that he or she was hired because of color instead of qualifications?

I don't buy the convenient cop-out of "both sides are equally as bad." Some will definitely disagree, but the right, even with its deficiencies, is more in line with the country's founding principles than the left. I find the right so much more acceptable even if I disagree at times. The more relevant discussion in this country isn't right vs. left. It's the debate within conservatism.
I'm not real religious, but AMEN!!!
And by the way, the constitution was written for Rich, White, Land Owners and they usually owned slaves too. These were the only people who had the right to vote because these were the people who had the most to lose. Fast forward 230 years and everyone has the right to vote so that those who have little are effectively taking from those who have a lot. Since there is now a redistribution of wealth and America is moving toward socialism, there is less incentive to become successful. This completely undermines capitalism and every thing that the constitution stands for. We are granted the right to "Persue Happiness", not "Be Happy". The end result is that the founding fathers were extemely intelligent and set the country up the way it was supposed to be and the modern day politicians have been stupid and fucked it all up.

[Goblin]

The Dick Cavett interview was cool. F anyone who thinks otherwise.

[BadGuy]

From The Washington Post:

"President George W. Bush interrupted his five-week vacation on Wednesday to travel from his ranch in Crawford, Texas to Montgomery, Illinois to sign the enormous $286.4 billion transportation bill. The legislation stands at 1,000 pages and is laden with pork-barrel projects." The irony of this is stunning, and humorously the GOPpers can blame the Clinton administration for initiating the seachange we now see.

Clinton co-opted popular planks of the GOP platform, such as welfare reform, so the Republicans became the big spender control freaks.

The GOP is no longer the party of fiscal restraint.

There's about $30 Billion in pork in that bill. A huge compromise because if it had been any more, Bush wasn't going to sign it. The liberals wanted much more pork in there, which would have brought the bill up to about $400 Billion. As far as Clinton, he's a political chamelion - he fought welfare reform all the way until he found out it was politically popular. Then, all of the sudden, he became a huge proponent. Clinton cares about one person, himself. His wife was the scary part of that administration and what is more scary is that she has her eyes on his former job.

[peteyballzzz]

jesus saves

[BadGuy]

jesus saves
That may be, but God invests.

[peteyballzzz]

thanx socrates

[SonnyForelli]

yankmees?...please tell me that was a typo...yuk

Oh im sorry I ment to write YankMees

[charlie dick]

There's about $30 Billion in pork in that bill. A huge compromise because if it had been any more, Bush wasn't going to sign it. The liberals wanted much more pork in there, which would have brought the bill up to about $400 Billion.

The liberals? BWHAHAHAHA! Do your homework. Congress is controlled by the GOP, and the pork riders were equally distributed among both parties. Bush threatened to veto the bill, but was told by the Republican leadership that there were already enough votes to override.

The GOP today more closely resembles the Dixiecrats of the Strom Thurmond era, while the neoconservatives began as Wilsonian Democrats. The word 'liberal' has become as popular an epithet as the n-word amongst this crowd. It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world inside the Beltway, and every day I'm glad that I'm a mugwump libertarian.

[peteyballzzz]

just tell me you're in middle school , and all will be forgiven

[peteyballzzz]

yankmees...ilch

[abudabit]

So how about those RedSux? HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHA HAHA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH HAHAHAHAHH! Oh, I'm so clever.

[neckbeard44]

I really liked the Dick cavitt stuff...

[ProfessorAnt]

get some more sleep.
I slept enough!!! give me my ecstasy of gold god damnit or I'll punch ya!
So Mike...was it worth it...I see you left the WB pretty quick.

[Cromwell]

Too Bad your werent at Po's on Saturday, I would have loved to dig you about the Yankees

I was there on Sunday.

Anyway, big Mike (MJMANDALALAY) - with the "interlocking NY" tatooed on his huge arms was there to cover you.

I give your team props - but lets see you do it again before any shrines are built.

A lot (and I mean a fucking lot) of things had to fall in place for your nightmare to end last season.

See ya at Po's down the road, though.

[Travis Bickle]

Who was that liberal cockbag that followed Dick Cavet? What a side-stepping excuse making asshat. Only some of the terrorist acts committed in this country were done by Muslims? Where the fuck has this guy been....and does he think we are that stupid? That's a prime example of how those guys skew the facts to make them work for their own agenda.

[neckbeard44]

Phillips just said he was voted one of the 50 Most powerful men in Central Florida.

[tjchr3]

Todays show was the first time ever I actually want to punch my radio, because of that hypocritical douche mark marin. God damn when we need op to be a dick, he is silenced, but thank god for Ant and lil Jimmy, shutting this douche up. Its a funny show fuckhead, way to kill the humor with Marin's political drivvel. ECK Jimmy said it best "I Hate the Left"

But the Dick cavit interview was great, just would have loved to hear a hendrix story!

[NimmyJorton]

what do you call 1000 yankmee fans buried up to their neck in sand.......not enough sand........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YANKEES SUCK MY BIG ITALIAN BALLS

[peteyballzzz]

what do you call 1000 yankmee fans buried up to their neck in sand.......not enough sand........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YANKEES SUCK MY BIG ITALIAN BALLS
you're from saugerties bro.....the only thing your town is known for is a terrible woodstock

[Chapel]

Just want to say as a Liberal, I am full support for profiling arabs... fuck those camel cocksucking shitdicks.

Why do I have to be a liberal or a conservative?
I'm an asshole either way...

My beliefs:
Abortion is ok
Anyone should be able to marry anyone else
Guns are fun
Videogames aren't just for kids (to quote Dick Cavett: "There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?")
I want clones and stem cell repair damnit!
The government should stay out of my business unless my business is with them... (See above beliefs)
Capital Punishment Now (and Capital punishment should be cheaper... how much does a M1911 and a single .45ACP round cost these days? One in the heart...)
The government should have less control over the military... (why does being president mean you know thing one about military operations?)

I think most Liberals are whiny douchebags and I think most conservatives are fuckin closeminded dummies.

Today's show was interesting, but not FUNNY. I enjoyed the show, BUT I would have preferred a fully FUNNY show today considering that I'm a bit strung out. Had I been in a better mood, I would have enjoyed the show alot more, but I REALLY wanted some good cringe inducing laughter today.

[Chapel]

you're from saugerties bro.....the only thing your town is known for is a terrible woodstock

http://www.kenschaefer.com/spyder/pics/StencilUpload/zing.jpg

[HummerTuesdays]

Why do I have to be a liberal or a conservative?
I'm an asshole either way...

The government should have less control over the military... (why does being president mean you know thing one about military operations?)



Just asking, 'cause you made an interesting point and I'm curious.

The President is also referred to as "Commander in Cheif" because he *is* the head of the military. That said, what would you do with the position? Would you split out President and Commander in Cheif? Would we get to vote for both, and who would be responsible for what?

[BadGuy]

Just asking, 'cause you made an interesting point and I'm curious.

The President is also referred to as "Commander in Cheif" because he *is* the head of the military. That said, what would you do with the position? Would you split out President and Commander in Cheif? Would we get to vote for both, and who would be responsible for what?
Any change would completely screw up the balance of power. Some branch of government (congress, president, or courts) has to have control over the military. In our case, it's the president. Secondly, congress has to declare war to make sure the President doesn't go off on his own. Therefore, 2/3 of the branches have to ok any action. It's a pretty safe plan. As far as the individuals involved, (President and members of Congress), it's the American people to blame since they vote for these people.

[charlie dick]

Any change would completely screw up the balance of power. Some branch of government (congress, president, or courts) has to have control over the military.

Civilian control of the military, with the President as Commander-in-Chief, was established by the Constitution. Congress is responsible for raising and maintaining (i.e. paying for) the armed forces, and is given the power to formally declare war, again by the Constitution. Checks-and-balances, yaknow...

... congress has to declare war to make sure the President doesn't go off on his own.

I don't believe there has been a formal declaration of war by Congress since WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Formal_dec larations_of_war

[BeltOfScotch]

Can we get a NOBODY BORN BEFORE 1950 interview rule in place?

Guess they should have turned down that Ozzy interview ... :icon_roll

[agentjmw]

Guys what was the name of the ghoulish vampire looking dude the boys make fun of they say is so nice? Anyone know his name or have a link to a pic of his?

[Madmartigan21]

Why was the line of the day treated as a throw away? :icon_mad:

Jim, "It's a moth, not Mothra."

[ChrisBurke=No.1]

"Congress has to declare war to make sure the President doesn't go off on his own."

- Stupid forgetting about the stupid War Powers Act... I'm so STUPID.

- But, speaking of war under false pretenses, what about the Gulf of Tonkin?

Fuck American progressives and their western-European, all-things-American-hating (see also capitalism, jingoism, nationalism, Protestant/Catholic/Irish/Dutch/German/British/Scot/non-"minority" ethnocentrism, etc.) counterparts. Join this cabal of anti-hegemonic know-nothing fucking NUDNIKS and unrelenting career assholes and you too can have an inflated opinion yourself. Yes, who needs credibility when you have Howard Dean at the helm and his ever-so-poignant and reasoned messages. Now there's a way to win the red states over; call them a bunch of bible-thumping, sister-fucking, illiterate rednecks. Ponder the great questions such as Thomas Frank in What's the Matter With Kansas? -- "the largely blue collar citizens of Kansas can be counted upon to be a 'red' state in any election, voting solidly Republican and possessing a deep animosity toward the left. This, according to author Thomas Frank, is a pretty self-defeating phenomenon, given that the policies of the Republican Party benefit the wealthy and powerful at the great expense of the average man."

Hello, EXACTLY! I didn't know that was true, but since you said it in you review, pop culture pundit, John Moe, it MUST be true.

To come up with the modern day populist credo one must steal a line from Ambrose Beirce: "Cogito Cogito Ergo Cogito Sum (I think that I think, therefore I think that I am).

Here's a GREAT website for the modern $7 mocha latte-drinking, Honda Accord-driving effete Northeastern progressive:

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/

Fuck you.

FUCK YOU.

Damnit, why won't my font go any bigger?

[Ruindit]

Good job Ant and Jimmy. Left or Right, common sense has to prevail. God forbid this assclown moorite consider some common sense. To the lib "comic" ( who's name is so irrelevant I forgot) Keep deluding yourself that the ACLU, et al is there to "stir debate" rather than litigate the shit out of the system and undermine the safety of us all. The guy is kidding himself. Call a conservative point of view narrow? Ever see the violent reactions when faced with a differing point of view at a leftie demonstration? He and the meatsticks at his infomercial (I may be wrong, but regular radio shows dont BUY airtime at a station, right?) are no different than the guys he hates on the right. Just as unmoving and "narrow". The boys hit it on the head when they challenged him to put forth his or his party's policy suggestions to replace the ones he so readily criticizes. Cricket Cricket...

Whew - savin' that for while - OK, I'll shut my newbie yap now. Sorry.

By the way, I thought Cavett was pretty good. The guy has got a million stories about some pretty important people. He's no ball of fire, but thats his style. I thought it was a good segment. Just my 2 cents.

[Spiral Out]

PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
August 16, 2006

Opie & Anthony Show fans buy Billboard as the continuation of a Radio Bit.



I seriously hope that was not sent as is. Did anyone proof read that? :icon_conf

[JSHAW]

Guys what was the name of the ghoulish vampire looking dude the boys make fun of they say is so nice? Anyone know his name or have a link to a pic of his?

It's Bob Edwards, and he has a talk show on XM 133

http://www.xmradio.com/images/xmpr/bob/bob_small.gif

[mrcrowley1206]

This is almost a 100% perfect post, IMO. The only thing you didn't mention is that because taste is all subjective, that this COULD have been a good show to someone else, just not to you.

I completely agree with you though.

Thanks.
You're right,I didnt even think of the "taste is all subjective" aspect.
Some people that enjoyed the interviews today may have hated some older ones that we all loved. As fans..we support the show..no matter what...and thats what counts!

[speedyjuice]

:icon_evil Just for the sake of wondering? When the heck are we going after that dick in Chicago and his band of goons. I hate that mfr with a passion and really need to rid my town of his sindacated bs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :icon_evil

[blogzilla]

Who was that liberal cockbag that followed Dick Cavet? What a side-stepping excuse making asshat. Only some of the terrorist acts committed in this country were done by Muslims? Where the fuck has this guy been....and does he think we are that stupid? That's a prime example of how those guys skew the facts to make them work for their own agenda.

You think he is bad. You should try listening to that tool Randy Rhodes from Air America. It would be gold to get her on the show so lil jimmy and ant could tear her a new one...she sux

[blogzilla]

Here he is going with his persecution complex. Liberal complaints are "revolutionary," "sacred," and "passionate." Conservative complaints are "dogmatic" and "angry."

Right wing radio is more popular because the country is more aligned in the center and on the right. The Marxists like Maron (he's not a liberal) have small enclaves in Berkley and Manhattan and Cambridge. Old school liberals (people like FDR and JFK) have stepped back and let the so-called Progressives push the Democratic side of the agenda. That's why a lot of people have gone away from them and moved right.

You are so right on the money. He is a Marxist as so many libs are unknowingly. I like the the funny shows but when guests like Maron are on, they should try and smash them if they are shoveling bs. I think ant and lil jimmy did a good job too.

Much of the modern liberal movement came out of the ideology of Herbert Marcuse. The book "Intellectual Moron" by Daniel Flynn, chronicles the history of liberalism. The subtitle sums up the book..How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall for Stupid Ideas"

Basically, Marcuse was part of a Marxist Institute in Frankfurt before Hitler (a facist) ran them off to Geneva, in the 1930s. Many of them then came to Columbia University to become part of the academia. They then spread to other Ivy League universities and Berkely on the west coast. He no longer called his ideas Marxist and chose liberalism because it would be more accepted by the general public even though it was a gross departure from true liberalism. Liberalism eventually changed to progressive because it sounds better. Marcuse is accredited with the saying "Make love, not war." His ideology is also considered the driving force behind the Hippie and other anti-establishment movements.

He openly challenged capitalism and free market economies and supposedly fought for the common working man. Ofcourse, he never had a working mans job as he had a trust fund to draw from thanks to a rich father who was a capitalist and business owner. He didnt seem to have a problem with that tho. Just like all the liberal celebs who tell us to conserve energy, buy hybrid cars, and yet, they have multiple 10,000 sq ft homes and fly around in personal jets.

The history lesson for the day pests!

[Cardinals Fan]

Yeah, they bitch-slapped the Cardinals in the WS. At least we showed up for some games.

Eh, maybe so. The Yankees didn't show up in the games that counted which, apparently, were 4...5...6...and 7.

I *hate* the Cardinals just because of this. Because they laid down like ready-to-get-***** bitches and just handed Boston the series.

It happens. How about those Yankees in the 2003 World Series? Must have been nice to lose the World Series at home for the first time ever.

They didn't deserve to beat Houston. The 'Stros would have put up a better fight.

Nah. Houston's bullpen was spent and they choked in the big games (6-7).

[Cardinals Fan]

bro...get back to work,,,who's watching the register anyways?
how bout some mike and ike's...

Weak. Try again...

[Mike_From_Texas]

So Mike...was it worth it...I see you left the WB pretty quick.

actually yeah ... it was worth it. be that I finished right at 3 and slept until time to go to work ...

[Cardinals Fan]

The answer is smaller government. Get rid of the huge beauracracy that America is supporting and we'll all be better off. The problem is the only people who have the ability to do that is Congress and they are profiting from things being the way they are.

Which is why I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the right. They bitch and moan about how liberals want bigger government yet President Bush has expanded the size of the bureaucracy more than any other President in recent memory. I'm all for smaller government and the GOP has the ability to make this reality but the fucking President is unwilling to spend his political capital to do so.

The Republicans can slash taxes and can pass through pretty much any group of laws they want - riders included. Instead, they sit there and worry about steroids and legislating morality from their Congressional pulpit (which is yet another increase in the role of government in our daily lives) :clap:

[abudabit]

The Republicans will never feel the need to improve thier act as long as thier biggest competitor remains even worse. There's such a dim view of the GOP but they still keep beating the Democrats because the view of those fucks is even worse. It sucks because parties need to be competative for democracy to remain effective.

[Tube Bar Red]

I find it generally astounding that people here sign up for the Republicans agenda when, unless you're a multimillionaire, it assbangs you until you bleed. If you're middle class, you're paying all of the taxes that wealthy people can avoid through creative accounting or through legislative nullification. Somehow our society has gotten to the point of glorifying the lifestyle of the rich to the point that we no longer demand any social recompense for their accomplishments. We use capitalism as an excuse to be greedy and irresponsible, when capitalism in Smith and Marx's minds meant competitive. There is nothing competitive about subsidies and tax breaks to sustain and encourage failing business. Look at our airlines. Gov't gives huge bailouts on the taxpayers dime, and then airlines turn to their employees and cancel pensions and rescind raises. And of course, those taxes aren't on estates or dividends. Rather, force taxes based on an outdated rate (the minimum alternative tax, a blue state punisher in this day and age, whereas it was a fair tax on the rich when it was introduced) and use the middle class to float Paris Hilton and others who have inherited wealth and have done NOTHING to earn a dime. Teddy Roosevelt nailed it when he said that America isn't supposed to be about creating European style class systems (which inherited wealth does), so he put in safeguards to take money from dead rich people in order to keep from having an American caste system.

Luckily, politicians today, who squandered our social security system (the best invention of the last century of politics) see $18K a year to the common man as threatening (but not as evil and threatening as >GASP< unions!), but have no trouble with passing untaxed millions amongst themselves. If Marx were around today, he'd probably point out television being the opiate of the masses, but unless he was on Jerry Springer, no one would have noticed.

But enough of this palaver...where's today's thread?

[wmansir]

I didn't have much hope for Maron as a political guest, because Air America is full of no-talents, but I was pleasantly surprised by his segment. He was completely unfunny, although that could have been his nerves because he seemed to be 'on' in a Pablo Francisco hack way at first. Which is odd because he has his own radio show, but perhaps the fact that people were actually listening to the channel threw him off. Once they switched to political talk the segment improved, IMO. At least he didn't try to do politics and comedy at the same time. Sure he threw in a couple of improved jokes, but for the most part he was in (bad) comedian mode then serious political mode, which works for great for me.

I'm of the conservative/libertarian slant and find most liberals (and many conservatives) highly annoying on tv/radio mostly because I can't verbally slap them upside the head. Maron was a pretty good guest for me even though I disagreed with almost every thing he said regarding policy and ideology. In large part it was because Jimmy and Ant did a good job framing the discussion and keeping him in check (calling his BS). But he did have some very intelligent things to say about the state of liberalism, ie. diversity/inclusiveness can be a weakness, and he didn't take too many cheap pop shots at conservatives, which is often a crutch of the "liberal comedian".

Of course some of the liberal BS did slip through. He almost seemed to be agree with Jimmy about politically correct censorship, but then he said "you could hurt someone", which is the core rational for PC censorship. And the ever popular 'the right is full of hate" and right wing radio works because [insert any reason except a lot of people agree with them], etc. Liberals love to talk about understanding and inclusiveness, but when it comes to conservatives they use the same trite generalizations and ad hominem attacks. I'm not saying they should embrace conservatives, they are ideological adversaries after all, but if your trying to sell yourselves as the intellectual party then it doesn't help to resort to basic name calling and intellectual dishonesty.

I also thought Dick Cavett was pretty good. A bit dry, but funny. His celeb references were a bit too old for me to fully connect with, but i could appreciate the magnitude of their fame and his career.

[Cardinals Fan]

The Republicans will never feel the need to improve thier act as long as thier biggest competitor remains even worse. There's such a dim view of the GOP but they still keep beating the Democrats because the view of those fucks is even worse. It sucks because parties need to be competative for democracy to remain effective.

The mainstream of the GOP will realize they're being co-opted by religious extremists. The party will gradually split into opposing camps during the 2006 midterm elections where they'll lose a few governorships and some seats in the House. Even people like Bill Frist and Rick Santorum are having a hard time finding their message since they're trying to pander to the GOP bible thumpers while not coming off as too much of a zealot to swing voters nationwide.

[dredpiratrobert]

Even though this thread has been abandoned, I think it should be pointed out that someone said Social Security was the best invention of the last century of politics. If that doesn't get a laugh, nothing will.

[BigDickBlack]

Dirty Testie eaters!

[DoughBoy]

Hey SIR... today is the 17th