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FreeTheCricket
08-23-2005, 10:46 AM
I found this on the foxnews.com website. I agree 100% with what he said. Look at all terrorist events from the past 30 years, and about 99% were done by Muslims. Everybody keeps saying that Islam is a peaceful religion, well, then where's the outrage at the WTC attacks or the beheadings or the insurgents in Iraq? Until the Muslims take a firm anti-terror stance and condemn all terrorist actions and STOP TEACHING JIHAD AND AMERICAN HATE IN THEIR DAMN SCHOOLS, I am forced to believe that we must treat all Muslims as terrorists. They have done nothing as a group to warrant any other stance.

Also this shows yet again how spineless and two-faced corporate America is. A white man calls out Islam for supporting terrorism, and he is fired. Has anybody ever checked to see what the Muslim clerics are saying in this country? They are spouting so much anti-American rhetoric it's scary. Unfortunately, in America, it's okay for the minorities to attack the white people. The problem with the Muslims is that they don't stop with words, they fly planes into buildings and blow up busses and trains and chop people's heads off.

D.C. Radio Host Fired for Anti-Islam Remarks
Tuesday, August 23, 2005

WASHINGTON — Conservative radio host Michael Graham (search) was fired Monday by a Washington station after he refused to apologize for calling Islam "a terrorist organization."

WMAL-AM (search) had suspended Graham after his July 25 broadcast drew protests from the Council on American-Islam Relations (search). Graham, who had a daily three-hour talk on WMAL, had said, "We are at war with a terrorist organization named Islam," according to CAIR.

On his Web site Monday, Graham said WMAL had asked him to retract his comments about Islam and deliver an on-air apology.

"I refused," he said. "And for that refusal, I was fired."

WMAL president and general manager Chris Berry told the industry publication Radio & Records: "Some of Michael's statements about Islam went over the line — and this isn't the first time that he has been reprimanded for insensitive language and comments. I asked Michael for an on-air acknowledgement that some of his remarks were overly broad and inexplicably he refused."

CAIR executive director Nihad Awad said Monday, "Although we are saddened that Michael Graham would not take responsibility for his hate-filled words, we do welcome WMAL's action as a step toward removing some of the harmful anti-Muslim rhetoric that fill our nation's airwaves."

Graham blamed the Muslim group for his firing. "As a fan of talk radio, I find it absolutely outrageous that pressure from a special interest group like CAIR can result in the abandonment of free speech and open discourse on a talk radio show," he said.

HummerTuesdays
08-23-2005, 11:20 AM
On his Web site Monday, Graham said WMAL had asked him to retract his comments about Islam and deliver an on-air apology.

"I asked Michael for an on-air acknowledgement that some of his remarks were overly broad and inexplicably he refused."

Ok, so it looks like there's a difference of opinion about what the station wanted him to do. Either way, he's free to say what he wants. And why didn't CAIR call into the show and defend their beliefs??? They'd rather see someone get fired instead of trying to change our opinions about the terrorist organization.

Edit: I've emailed the station and CAIR to let them know that this just perpetuates the myth, and that obviously Islam has something to hide. Like more terrorists than peaceful followers. I did phrase it nicely, but that's the idea.

JoeyDVDZ
08-23-2005, 11:37 AM
Fuckin savages. They're all either terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers. Neither get any fuckin sympathy from me.

savethewave
08-23-2005, 01:20 PM
The only major recent terrorist acts I can think of that weren't Islamic groups are the Downing street Bombing by the IRA, the Tokyo subway bombings, the Olympic park bombing in 1996, and the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy Mc Veigh.

All the other terrorist bombings: London, Madrid, Bali, NYC, Sudan, Burkina Faso, Cote D'Ivoire, Washington DC, Paris, South Africa, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, Russia, Kashmir, Jakarta, Thailand, Hong Kong, and many more. All perpetrated by extremist Muslim followers of "the religion of peace."

Ten percent (and growing) of the Muslim world are extremists who want to genocidally kill the USA and Israel. It works out to over 180 million people worldwide, who want us dead.

We are not nearly doing enough to defend ourselves. We are too concerned with world opinion and political correctness, and playing by the rules. Our opponents know no rules, mercy, or how to behave in a civilized manner. The bulk of the Muslim world cannot even manufacture one item which competes on the world market. The last time that the Muslim world contributed anything to world culture was the mid 1300's, when distillation was invented.

We are facing illiterate, devolved savages who are bent on our destruction. Do we want to live in a world where 40 percent of the population is illiterate, with no rights for women and children, where nothing new is contributed in any of the sciences? At what point will we realize it is about our survival?

Sprite
08-23-2005, 01:54 PM
At what point will we realize it is about our survival?

When it's too late. (ie: 9-11) History has a habit of repeating itself...and the politically correct weaklings in this country who sympathize with these SAVAGES are making that much more likely. Forget planes into buildings next time though.... howbout a nuke in the trunk of a car at a large sporting event, you know, like 65,000 people at a football game. It may seem a bit far-fetched to some people, but we're headed for that type of disaster if guys like this Michael Graham are going to be fired by pussies like WMAL because of pressure by scumbags like the CAIR.


And in response to the actual article....
"This is why I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate... the left."

:rolleyes:

JoeyDVDZ
08-23-2005, 02:14 PM
I just sent this e-mail to the programming manager at the station:

I just wanted to express my disappointment at your stations decision to fire Michael Graham, who was apparently dismissed for expressing factual views about Islamic terrorism in the world. While he may have offended some Islamic-Americans with his comments, let's face facts. While not all Islamics are terrorists, just about ALL terrorists are Islamic. They have to clean their own house before they can afford to speak against people who are frankly sick and tired of fearing for their lives, liberties and freedoms, in the name of protecting ourselves against their people, who they ovbiously know are planning and executing attacks against us, and are doing nothing about it. Let them clean their house, then let them speak against those of us who don't trust them.

Thank you for your time.
Joseph M.

Myhairygrundle
08-23-2005, 02:24 PM
Why do we keep pandering to these groups. Dude can say whatever he wants on the airwaves. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, can spew thier crap, and this guy give facts and is fired?

Something tells me that that station is soon going to be overrun with phone calls from fans of a certian xm202 show.....

Papagolash
08-23-2005, 02:25 PM
I really like this thread, and all of your views. Who's all up for a final solution to Islam?

Swede Boy
08-23-2005, 02:27 PM
Here's an actual quote:
"Waddle doodle... I refuse to Apologizeehh!"

FreeTheCricket
08-23-2005, 02:51 PM
The only major recent terrorist acts I can think of that weren't Islamic groups are the Downing street Bombing by the IRA, the Tokyo subway bombings, the Olympic park bombing in 1996, and the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy Mc Veigh.

All the other terrorist bombings: London, Madrid, Bali, NYC, Sudan, Burkina Faso, Cote D'Ivoire, Washington DC, Paris, South Africa, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, Russia, Kashmir, Jakarta, Thailand, Hong Kong, and many more. All perpetrated by extremist Muslim followers of "the religion of peace."

Ten percent (and growing) of the Muslim world are extremists who want to genocidally kill the USA and Israel. It works out to over 180 million people worldwide, who want us dead.

We are not nearly doing enough to defend ourselves. We are too concerned with world opinion and political correctness, and playing by the rules. Our opponents know no rules, mercy, or how to behave in a civilized manner. The bulk of the Muslim world cannot even manufacture one item which competes on the world market. The last time that the Muslim world contributed anything to world culture was the mid 1300's, when distillation was invented.

We are facing illiterate, devolved savages who are bent on our destruction. Do we want to live in a world where 40 percent of the population is illiterate, with no rights for women and children, where nothing new is contributed in any of the sciences? At what point will we realize it is about our survival?

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I really like this thread, and all of your views. Who's all up for a final solution to Islam?

We have the nukes, why the hell don't we use them? Bring all our troops back, let all the savages flood into Iraq to fight for the scraps... then BAM!! No more towel heads.

http://www.jeromegoolsby.net/nucflash/nuke21.jpg

LetsDoThisLucas
08-23-2005, 04:02 PM
anyone watch the inside 9/11 thing on national geographic very interesting things yes

savethewave
08-23-2005, 04:19 PM
I really like this thread, and all of your views. Who's all up for a final solution to Islam?

There are just too many (1.8 billion, and growing) Muslims in the world to just round them up.

Wtihout the use of nukes, it is possible to destroy every Muslim country on the face of the Earth within one year. We can destroy them, but there are too many of them to conquer. The USA is alone in all of this, and Western Europe is being infiltrated with Muslim immigrants who live in tight communities, refuse to learn the language of the country, and harbor terrorist cells. They add nothing to their adopted countries except a financial burden, they refuse to assimilate, and are causing native residents to live in fear.

Like the USA, the Europeans refuse to do anything for fear of offending someone.

savethewave
08-23-2005, 04:32 PM
We have the nukes, why the hell don't we use them? Bring all our troops back, let all the savages flood into Iraq to fight for the scraps... then BAM!! No more towel heads.



There are a whole bunch of practical reasons why we cannot nuke Iraq or Afghanistan, one of them being that the huge cloud of radioactive gas that a tactical nuke generates would travel with the prevailing winds, and kill and contaminate people and territory of some of our allies in the area (Russia, China, India, etc), and would likely ally the whole world except for Australia, Canada, UK, Brazil, Mexico, Italy and Poland against us.

The key is to go after the money, which is something we are not doing. The biggest funder of worldwide Muslim terrorism is the Saudi Arabian royal family. We will not go after them, though, because of the close ties that the Bush family has with them, via organizations like the Carlyle Group. Killing the Saudi royals and their whole families would go a very long way toward crippling the ability of Muslim extremists to hurt us.

During World War II, we faced a foe who used fanatacism, and made suicidal attacs against us, and refused to surrender. Have we forgotten the lesson of Japan?

We are not as ruthless as we need to be. We need to fight to WIN, not engage in a half-hearted non-strategic conflict whose main purpose seems to be making sure no one is offended.


-Jim

PS: I like the goth girls, too, and love that sig pic of yours. Any details you would care to share as to where it is from?

turdfrgsn
08-23-2005, 04:43 PM
Here's an actual quote:
"Waddle doodle... I refuse to Apologizeehh!"

:clap: :clap:
bravo, sir
well put

greaseman ref = always gooder

SatansCheerledr
08-23-2005, 04:47 PM
My imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend.

invisible76
08-23-2005, 05:53 PM
We have the nukes, why the hell don't we use them? Bring all our troops back, let all the savages flood into Iraq to fight for the scraps... then BAM!! No more towel heads.

Lets not forget the fact that nuking them would absolutely destroy the global economy. Good luck getting the oil out of the ground when it's screaming hot with radioactivity.

The solution is containment and ruthless control. These people should not be allowed to immigrate, emigrate, travel, etc. That can at least slow the spread. Then use good old fasioned espionage to identify targets. Then use our vastly superior technology to wipe out the threats. For every hateschool that exists, you wipe out an entire block. For every mosque that is preaching hatred, you level it during a service.

Unfortunately that would require a political machine that would tolerate some unsavory public opinion which would never happen.

KneeKnee
08-23-2005, 06:28 PM
That guy should get a golden ticket... :clap: :clap:

Why is it OK to strap a bomb to your chest and kill children, but when you speak the truth about it you are fired?

Smoke
08-23-2005, 06:32 PM
Who's all up for a final solution to Islam?
Vote Fascist. Expel Islam from Christendom!

Bill
08-23-2005, 07:36 PM
We will not go after them, though, because of the close ties that the Bush family has with them, via organizations like the Carlyle Group.


It doesn't matter who the president is or what his family affiliations are. The fact of the matter is that while we continue to be dependant on oil, we need the Saudi Royal family to exist.

That fact alone is reason enough that we should be doing everything in our power to reduce (and hopefully eliminate) the need for foreign oil.

IMO, long term, that is the single most important thing that needs to be done in the name of National Security.

GLENN_THE_TOOL
08-23-2005, 07:51 PM
anyone watch the inside 9/11 thing on national geographic very interesting things yes

thank you, Yoda. :action-sm


and that animated sig pic of yours is so freakin' hot, it's distracting me. any idea who that chick is?

kid afrika
08-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Muslims are the new n1ggers. Didn't Patrice say some shit like that?

Bottom line, the religion itself is not to blame. There are far more peaceful Muslims than there are terrorists.

You can't put out a blanket statement or judgement that they are all terrorists. That's like saying all white people are priviledged. Oh wait, fuck! My argument is moot.

Carry on.

Bunny™
08-23-2005, 08:28 PM
...Bottom line, the religion itself is not to blame. There are far more peaceful Muslims than there are terrorists.

Yeah, it's those few hundred million that give the other seven a bad name.

invisible76
08-23-2005, 08:31 PM
Bottom line, the religion itself is not to blame. There are far more peaceful Muslims than there are terrorists.




Um, yeah it is. It's the only "holy" book that preaches violence to it's constituents.

And if there are so many peaceful muslims, why dont they give up the fuckheads? Or help in catching them? Or even speak out against the problems? Or work with the government to aid progress?

kid afrika
08-23-2005, 08:43 PM
Um, yeah it is. It's the only "holy" book that preaches violence to it's constituents.

And if there are so many peaceful muslims, why dont they give up the fuckheads? Or help in catching them? Or even speak out against the problems? Or work with the government to aid progress?
I've just lost a shitload of respect for you.

The Islamic religion does not preach violence. It is simply a few sects of the religion that choose to interpret it as such.

The Islamic greeting Salaam Alaykum(sp?) translates as "may be peace be unto you".

You obviously have no clue about the people of the world or the worlds they live in. Why don't the Catholics come out against their priests? Why don't the Christians come out against the abortion activists that kill doctors?

Do a little research and get back to us.

This thread is horribly offensive. You all show your ignorance in blindly supporting this guy.

To say that Islam is nothing more than a religion that feeds on terrorism is just an abomination.

To believe that every person of a religion should be judged on the actions of a small percentage really shows your true colors.

Let's hang all the n1ggers in the town square because they are all drug dealears thieves and ne'erdowells.

Terrorism is horrible. There's no question about that.

Not using profiling in search of terrorists is stupid as shit.

Condemning a religion because you don't understand it... well, that's just a witch hunt.

Get over yourself. Read a book. Visit another country or watch the news.

You'd be surprised how much you have in common with a lot of Islamic people.

pike
08-23-2005, 09:15 PM
watch the news.Yeah, because we all know how accurate and unbiased the news is.. :icon_roll

-Mike

ChrisH
08-23-2005, 10:03 PM
According to Drudge, he has just been hired by another station:

FLASH: KFI-AM Los Angeles HIRES Talk Show Host Graham FIRED By WMAL After Islam Remarks (http://www.nbc4.com/news/4884310/detail.html?rss=dc&psp=news)...

'KFI has an extended offer for Michael Graham to fill in at the station because KFI still values free speech,' says KFI pd, Robin Bertolucci... Developing...

savethewave
08-23-2005, 10:09 PM
It says right in the Koran, "If one cannot show the infidel the true path to Allah, it is incumbent upon the Believer to destroy the infidel, as an abomination in the eyes of Allah." I know I do not have the exact quote, as I do not have access to my copy of the Koran right now.

The Wahabi sect of Islam is the really dangerous, anti-western, violent one, and is the fastest growing sect of Islam. The dangerous ones represent a small percentage of the Islamic world, but fully 10 percent of the Muslim world supports or tolerates the actions of these few. That is a higher percentage than any other of the world's major religions.

There IS outrage in the Catholic world over the pedophile priest scandal. However, a small percentage of Catholic priests are molesting young boys and girls. They are not flying planes into buildings, strapping explosives to themselves and getting on a bus, or committing any other acts of mass terrorism. There is no basis for the Catholic priest scandal, nor the "let's hang the blacks form a lampost" argument to be used as a "compare and contrast" for the level of violence worldwide that is perpetuated in the name of Allah.

However, where is the outrage in the Muslim world over the acts of brutality committed by these firnge Muslims? Where are the Fatwas issued against the extremists who give the "wrong" message of Islam? Where were the demonstrations when Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl were executed on video by Muslim extremists? No, no; the demonstrations and outrage seem to occur only when Islam is defamed, such as when books are thrown down toilets, an author gets a death Fatwa because he wrote a book, or a Dutch filmmaker is killed because he supposedly defamed Islam.

Look at it this way: no Christian suicide-bombed a theatre full of people because it showed "The Last Temptation of Christ."

Religious fanaticism, regardless of belief system, is the enemy of progress, tolerance, and civilized behavior.

FreeTheCricket
08-23-2005, 11:43 PM
uhh.. oops

FreeTheCricket
08-24-2005, 12:02 AM
I've just lost a shitload of respect for you.

The Islamic religion does not preach violence. It is simply a few sects of the religion that choose to interpret it as such.

Maybe, but the rest of them do not actively condemn the terrorists. Also, I tend to believe that there are a lot more clerics preaching violence than any of us think, but there are very few acting on it. Hell, the Koran has verses where it is laid out that it is acceptable to kill other muslims for not being muslim enough.

The Islamic greeting Salaam Alaykum(sp?) translates as "may be peace be unto you".

So what? Child molesters can tell you to have a nice day, does that make them good people?

You obviously have no clue about the people of the world or the worlds they live in. Why don't the Catholics come out against their priests? Why don't the Christians come out against the abortion activists that kill doctors?

I think that the Catholics do come out against the priests. Did they speak out enough? No, but there was a real outrage about it, whereas there is no true outrage coming from the muslims about the terrorist activities. Besides, there are VERY few people blowing up doctors, maybe 10 people out of all Christians in America. That doesn't make it right, it is still just as horrible as any other death in the name of religion. However, no Christians are hijaking or blowing up airplanes, cutting innocent people's heads off, planting roadside bombs, blowing up trains and busses or taking out the World Trade Center.

Do a little research and get back to us.

I do tons of research. I hate speaking and sounding ignorant. There is a lot of ignorance on this board, even in this thread, but many of the issues raised in this thread have validity, and are backed by research.

This thread is horribly offensive. You all show your ignorance in blindly supporting this guy.

It may be offensive to some, but to others it's the truth and a way to voice their real concerns. I'm not blindly supporting anyone, I just don't think he should have been fired.

To say that Islam is nothing more than a religion that feeds on terrorism is just an abomination.

Islam may not feed on terrorism, but from what I have read, heard, and seen, they really don't condemn it either.

To believe that every person of a religion should be judged on the actions of a small percentage really shows your true colors.

The problem with that idea is that it's not a small percentage that wants to kill Americans. A recent study showed that 73% of muslims polled would turn in another muslim if they knew he was plotting a terrorist act. That means that 27% would not. Sure, that was a small sampling of the muslim population as a whole, but 27% is hardly a small percentage.

Let's hang all the n1ggers in the town square because they are all drug dealears thieves and ne'erdowells.

Nobody is saying that, but sometimes one must question what goes on in the black community as well. As a percentage of their population, blacks commit way more crimes than whites. I wonder why the black leaders spend so much time fighting people who say things like that and who point out obvious deficiencies in the black community, yet spend almost no time at all trying to heal the ills of their community.

Terrorism is horrible. There's no question about that.

Not using profiling in search of terrorists is stupid as shit.

Amen to that.

Condemning a religion because you don't understand it... well, that's just a witch hunt.

Unfortunately, I do understand it. That is why I am so fearful of it. They preach violence against other muslims, let alone different religions, and they do not fear death. How do you fight an enemy that doesn't fear death?

Get over yourself. Read a book. Visit another country or watch the news.

You'd be surprised how much you have in common with a lot of Islamic people.

I have been to many countries and I have encountered many different races, cultures, and religions. We are all pretty much the same. We all want basically the same things. Which is why it is so bothersome to me and others that Islam teaches hate against other religions, even though they have no clue about the other religions and cultures.

Many muslim children are taught at a very early age to hate the western societies no matter what. This cannot be argued, it is a fact that the brainwash their children to hate. This breeds terrorism, which starts the cycle all over again. Which is why, if Islam truly wants to be a peaceful religion and be regarded as equals in the world, they need to come out very harshly against any and all terrorism.

kid afrika
08-24-2005, 12:21 AM
Far be it from me to encourage hatred of any race, religion or creed. That's the essence of my message here.

I do agree that there is certainly a cause for concern. I disagree that every person in a turban(sp?) or sahri(sp?) should be categorically discriminated against.

You say that many Islamics are taught hatred of westerners at an early age. I can't deny that. But, at the same time, you can't claim that to be the majority.

I'm just afraid that people are so adamant about their feelings against terrorism that the innocents will feel the wrath.

You'll just have to trust someone who lives life on the wrong side of prejudice that it sucks. Had you lived it, you wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I'm far from the average black man with a chip on his shoulder. I'm just sick of overly judgemental people basing hatred on ignorance.

Sorry, I just can't condone a blanket judgement of any people.

d0uche_n0zzle
08-24-2005, 12:25 AM
Kum By Yah

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Kum-by-yah my Lord Kum-by-yah
Oh Lord Kum-by-yah

Someone's laughing Lord Kum-by-yah
Someone's laughing Lord Kum-by-yah
Someone's laughing Lord Kum-by-yah
Oh Lord Kum-by-yah

Someone's crying, Lord Kum-by-yah

Group hug time.

kid afrika
08-24-2005, 12:27 AM
Kharma kharma kharma kharma chameleon would've been the better reference, sir.

Sprite
08-24-2005, 12:30 AM
Bottom line, the religion itself is not to blame. There are far more peaceful Muslims than there are terrorists.

In refrence to the pedophilia pandemic in Catholicism, the religion itself is also not to blame. There are far more non-pedeophiliac priests than there are pedophiles. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT OK! And just like the kid touching "phase" that was swept under the rug, so too will be the profiling of Islamic followers. Just as little boys will continue to be molested by priests who hide behind the robe, so will innocent people continue to be blown up by Islamic followers who hide behind religious rights.

Why don't the Christians come out against the abortion activists that kill doctors?

AS THEY SHOULD!

The Islamic greeting Salaam Alaykum(sp?) translates as "may be peace be unto you".

THEN PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!

To say that Islam is nothing more than a religion that feeds on terrorism is just an abomination.

Rather, terrorism is nothing more than cowards who feed on a religion who, as a WHOLE, ALLOWS this to continue! Terrorists are parasitic leeches on the body of Islam, and if the "nation" of Islam has any fucking GUTS they will become proactive in the fight against the parasites.

To believe that every person of a religion should be judged on the actions of a small percentage really shows your true colors.

Do you think a MLB team would keep quiet about a pitcher who threw the game on purpose????????

THERE SHOULD BE AN OUTRAGE - A COMPLETE MOTHER FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - OF ANY PERSON WHO REPRESENTS ANY GROUP, RELIGION, OR COUNTRY, WHO COMMITS AN UNPROVOKED VIOLENT ATTACK AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE!

:fight6:

Those who surrender freedom for security deserve neither.

FreeTheCricket
08-24-2005, 12:30 AM
I do agree that there is certainly a cause for concern. I disagree that every person in a turban(sp?) or sahri(sp?) should be categorically discriminated against.

Sorry, I just can't condone a blanket judgement of any people.

I totally agree that just because somebody wears a turban it doesn't mean that they get discriminated against. I do, however, think that the easiest way for the muslim community to avoid that is to be brutally honest about what is going on with their religion and the hatred taught in it, and to categorically condemn ALL terrorist acts, with no exception. That would go a long way to helping their cause.

I don't condone a blanket judgement of anyone either. That is ignorant and racist, and it serves no purpose. I'd say a majority of muslims are very upset over the actions of other muslims, but I fear there's just not enough that truly believe killing others in the name of Allah is wrong.

kid afrika
08-24-2005, 12:40 AM
I'd venture to say that anyone that kills under the guise of religion really doesn't understand their god.

What god would condemn those that don't fear [him]?

Oh wait, Christianity does that too.

Religion is full of shit, but only because it's interpreted by man.

No god would see destruction of life as a way of getting closer to salvation. It's contradictory to creation.

We have a lot to learn as humans.

Tolerance is the key.

And no, not tolerance of the killing of innocent people, but tolerance of others' beliefs.

savethewave
08-24-2005, 09:40 AM
I'd venture to say that anyone that kills under the guise of religion really doesn't understand their god.

What god would condemn those that don't fear [him]?

Oh wait, Christianity does that too.

Religion is full of shit, but only because it's interpreted by man.

No god would see destruction of life as a way of getting closer to salvation. It's contradictory to creation.

We have a lot to learn as humans.

Tolerance is the key.

And no, not tolerance of the killing of innocent people, but tolerance of others' beliefs.

The Christian God does not destroy those that fear Him. All of the vengeance of the Lord stuff appears in the Old Testament, not the New, which the New Testament is the basis for Christianity.

Christians killed under the guise of religion for hundreds of years...The Crusades, the colinization by Europeans of Australia, Africa, North and South America, the South Pacific...It does not make it right, but it happened over 200 years ago.

Religinon is not "interpreted by man" as you say. Religion is an INVENTION of man.

If "tolerance is the key," let the Muslim world learn it, and stop putting out death Fatwas on authors who write books. Did you know that the red Cross has to change their emblem on the sides of their vehicles in Muslim countries? It is because the cross is not tolerated. Likewise, in the bulk of the Muslim world, it is literally aganst the law to openly practice any other religion besides Islam.

Our own troops are bleeding themselves white in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet they are forbidden to display things like Christmas trees or drink beer because it is against Islamic law.

So, let the Mulsim world learn tolerance first.

judoGTI
08-24-2005, 09:46 AM
Yeah there are no such thing as Irish terrorist, Russian terrorist, South American terrorist, African terrorist.... But the fact is they hate other people not Americans.....

invisible76
08-24-2005, 10:25 AM
If "tolerance is the key," let the Muslim world learn it, and stop putting out death Fatwas on authors who write books. Did you know that the red Cross has to change their emblem on the sides of their vehicles in Muslim countries? It is because the cross is not tolerated. Likewise, in the bulk of the Muslim world, it is literally aganst the law to openly practice any other religion besides Islam.

Our own troops are bleeding themselves white in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet they are forbidden to display things like Christmas trees or drink beer because it is against Islamic law.

So, let the Mulsim world learn tolerance first.

Agreed. Tolerance doesn't work out so well between 2 parties if only 1 is the tolerant party. Then we get into a situation like we are currently. We bend over backward to not be "anti-Islam" while terrorists and anti-westerners do whatever whenever to degrade and destroy us.

Maybe i came off too strong in my earlier post. I do not hate or judge all muslims, all people in turbans, etc. What i'm saying is that there are many of these Muslim "hate schools" that are brainwashing kids into hating America and the west in general. These hateschools aren't pulling stuff out of thin air...they're using real verses in the Muslim "holy" book as basis for their teachings. You don't see christian hate schools or buddhist hate schools etc.

Also, in regard to Christianity and the pedo-preists, there IS a lot of outrage and backlash against the church. While I personally don't think there's been enough people being vocal about it, the attendance, membership, and overall opinion of the church has taken a HUGE hit in the last 10 years. When people are asked why they stopped going etc., it's almost ALWAYS because of the pedo scandals. Where is that outrage against terrorists killing people in the name of the Muslim's religions? I haven't seen it. Maybe there IS some outrage in the Muslim community, but the rest of us sure don't know about it.

There will always be religious extremists. There will always be people who use religion and twist it to further their own personal agendas. And not all extremists are violent. It just seems that the Muslim extremists that are skyrocketing in numbers are the ones that want to kill everyone that posts on this board and everyone that lives in our country.

Swede Boy
08-24-2005, 11:21 AM
Let's hang all the n1ggers in the town square because they are all drug dealears thieves and ne'erdowells.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Finally someone I can agree with

Glenn Dandy
08-24-2005, 11:41 AM
the problem here is simple. Just like drug co perpetuate disease to sell drugs. News agencys perpetuate shit to sell products.

Realizm has no market.

Its time to rise. or fall like the cowards we are. This is our country but we do not run it anymore. But! nothing will be done. thats why it goes on.

We are to busy working to pay our fucking taxes to complain. Who has time? I dont. And they set it up that way.


Only people with time are people who dont work, and their losers, but! they are our voice. Lets atleast stand up for this guy.

WHAT CAN I DO? tell me. And i will try to do my part.

Sprite
08-24-2005, 12:19 PM
Kharma kharma kharma kharma chameleon would've been the better reference, sir.

oh really, would it though? i happen to think his fit better because it's a religion-driven discussion.

maybe only you know what's funny and what's not. :icon_roll

turdfrgsn
08-24-2005, 12:50 PM
this may be a religious discussion, but it ain't a religious thread topic

it's about terrestrial radio eating one of its own and lo and behold, an la station picked the guy up
end of story

that said,
Waddle-Doodle-eh....Snarlins...all Muslims are terrorists-eh......

FreeTheCricket
08-24-2005, 01:27 PM
Our own troops are bleeding themselves white in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet they are forbidden to display things like Christmas trees or drink beer because it is against Islamic law.


I never did quite get that. We are forced to "honor" their culture while we are over there, and assimilate ouselves into their way of life, which sort of makes sense. However, we are also expected to honor it here in the U.S., which I have never understood. Why aren't they expected to come over here and accept our laws and customs, and be expected to assimilate into our way of life? That has always perplexed me.

this may be a religious discussion, but it ain't a religious thread topic

it's about terrestrial radio eating one of its own and lo and behold, an la station picked the guy up
end of story

that said,
Waddle-Doodle-eh....Snarlins...all Muslims are terrorists-eh......

Well yes and no. This thread was started to serve a few purposes. One was definitely to show, yet again, that commercial radio sucks ass and is run by a bunch of spineless douchebags. I also started it to prompt a discussion on how muslims are perceived in the world, both by themselves and by others, and what can be done to change that. Also, it was an opportunity to vent against some of the utter stupidity that we as Americans have to deal with in trying to stop our country from falling victim to another attack.

I say we should be allowed to profile. I personally don't give a shit who is inconvenienced if it means that my flight will be safe, or my friends can ride the bus without wondering if they will get blown up. Fuck the people who will be searched, if they don't like it, they can leave this country. Their people and religion are responsible for the current climate in America, and most of them came here from another, usually much more opressive, country. They can go back to it if they really think being stopped and searched every time they try to board public transportation is really that bad. Either accept our laws or go back home. We really don't need you here that bad, and a lot of us don't want you here, either.

fred123
08-24-2005, 01:59 PM
Muslims are bags of shit!Turkey is a moderate muslim nation and has huge problems with terrorism.These asswipes come here from there shithole nations & try to change this country into the shithole they left.We need to start camps for these fucking jizz bags!

turdfrgsn
08-24-2005, 02:04 PM
waddle doodle-eh, juliya's nice but marianela's hotter-eh

http://www.maximonline.com/girls/fuse_girls/gm_l2.jpg

FreeTheCricket
08-24-2005, 03:57 PM
waddle doodle-eh, juliya's nice but marianela's hotter-eh

http://www.maximonline.com/girls/fuse_girls/gm_l2.jpg


Really? Ya think? I can't agree with you on that one. Oh well... to each their own.

tar_baby
08-24-2005, 06:24 PM
the only religion you can make fun of and get away with it is Catholicism...frankly...I find that disturbing...one critique about muslims or jews and all hell breaks loose...but Catholics...nothing

tar_baby
08-24-2005, 06:26 PM
Um, yeah it is. It's the only "holy" book that preaches violence to it's constituents.

And if there are so many peaceful muslims, why dont they give up the fuckheads? Or help in catching them? Or even speak out against the problems? Or work with the government to aid progress?


EXACTLY...I wish there was more outrage from the Muslims in this country than there is. I haven't seen one man rise up against the bad muslims who just want to kill everyone else and everything America stands for

kid afrika
08-24-2005, 11:05 PM
oh really, would it though? i happen to think his fit better because it's a religion-driven discussion.

maybe only you know what's funny and what's not. :icon_roll
Hostile much?

You have heard the show right? The Opie & Anthony show? More specifically, the shows where Norton gets a bit upset about something and starts ranting and Opie starts playing kharma chameleon to calm him down.

May be a religious discussion, but it's still on an O&A fan board.

d0uche_n0zzle
08-24-2005, 11:35 PM
It is the off topic section so...lets all have a group hug and kill all the terrorist who wish us death.