Gun Owners in NYC?

[ChrisH]

Hey gang,

I've been thinking about possibly buying a pistol or even shotgun for target practice/home defense, but living in NYC, I know the hassles for owning a gun can be huge. Does anyone have any experience in owning a firearm in NYC? How long/expensive is the process for getting a gun? Has it been worthwhile? Any info would be appreciated.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

It is near impossible to get a pistol license in NYC unless you are 'connected'. A better choice would be a shotgun (Remington 870). You still need to register it and I'm sure you need a purchase order, how to obtain that I do not know. Call your local Gun shop and ask them what is needed or call T&T Gunnery in Floral Park or Seaford (Nassau County, right after Queens on LI).

[Myhairygrundle]

Come to any Wal-Mart in Texas. With a valid ID if you are over 18, you can walk out with a shot gun.

[BCH]

Yeah, you're pretty much not going to have a pistol permit in NYC not even a premises permit. For home defense, shotguns are the way to go. Mossberg makes a nice 410 guage pump with a pistol foregrip.

http://shooterssupply.org/guns/gun124.jpg

A 3" Magnum 410 guage slug is considerably larger than a .44 magnum bullet stopping power galore at close range. I would load it as follows:

Shells 1 & 2 are 3" Magnum 00 Buckshot. (You just have to point the thing in the Perp's general Direction and pull)

Shells 3 & 4 are 3" 410 Slugs (Once he's down from a few 00 pellets, you can finish the job with one to the temple)

You can shorten the barrel to a barely legal 18.5 inches. Don't worry about putting slugs through a shot barrel either, It's not like you'll be doing it every day. Just enough times to save your ass.

The 410 doesn't have nearly the kick as a 20 or 12 guage and your Wife/GF can use it to defend herself with little or no training.

You will need to register this gun with the NYPD and I believe present proof of said registration in order to buy Ammunition within the confines of NYC.

Hope it helps.

[Budyzir]

I’m a former military officer. My personal side arm was a Colt 45, M1911 (which I bought in FL after a 7 day wait) with a custom grip and extended clip. After I resigned my commission and came back home, I had the 45 in a security lock box with a trigger guard on. Being the respectful and law abiding citizen that I am, I brought the weapon to my local prescient for "safe keeping" while I applied for a permit. I GAVE UP! Unless you are a celeb like Hoo Hoo, you own a biz, or are in a position where you carry lots of $$$ furgetaboutit. They will bury you with paper work; reject forms (because they are not filled out properly) until you relent.

I have heard about folks hiring lawyers, who are "in the loop" to do all the paper work for them. That’s $$$.

Say you’re a hunter and go for a shotgun.

[TrybalRage]

Wow. You guys really need

A) Regime change up there, or
B) Move here. A concealed carry permit is under $20 and requires a pulse. (duh and a clean record)

P.S. It is my understanding that a shotgun is not simply 'point and shoot' especially at self-defense type range. The spread really is very small with shot. Whatever you do, for chrissake get some practice with it. And remember the four rules -

1. Every gun is always loaded. No exceptions.
2. Never point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your booger hook OFF the bang switch until you are ready to fire.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it. Don't want to nail Grandma with the rounds coming out the other side of the darky.

[PEST BY TRADE]

Short of ohio nyc is the worst place to protect your self with a gun. In virginia a concealed carry permit is a right of passage. $50.00 and a back ground check and you can carry in almost any location concealed. good luck vote pro-gun and protect your rights !

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Whatever you decide on shotgun wise, there is one semi-cool place left on LI to shoot. Cavlerton Rifle (exit 72 LIE about a 3/4 of a mile after the exit) range, ten bucks per person they have a 25, 50, 100 and 200 yard with a 300 tard after five PM and additional five bucks.

[giant pop tart]

Short of ohio nyc is the worst place to protect your self with a gun. In virginia a concealed carry permit is a right of passage. $50.00 and a back ground check and you can carry in almost any location concealed. good luck vote pro-gun and protect your rights !

DC is the worst... can't own anything.

Jersey sucks real bad.
took me 9 1/2 months (plus $54 fee) to get my Purchaser ID. They "lost" my prints, then they had to question me on why my prints were already in the "system" (military service). Then they asked me to come back to the station for an interview... Turns out "Darnell" not Daniel had an outstanding warrant in Alabama. ID card finally came in, but I had to wait 2 weeks for the Chief to come back from vacation so it could be signed. When I finallly got it, I drove the 1/2 mile to Ramsey outdoor to pick up my Ruger Mini-14. Even though it was only 9:30 A.M. on the date of issue on my ID card, I still had to pay for the NICS check.

If I ever get off my ass, I'm going to get an out-of-state carry permit in PA. Figure when I cross the bridge, I can take off my helmet, and strap on my .45

[PEST BY TRADE]

DC is the worst... can't own anything.

Jersey sucks real bad.
took me 9 1/2 months (plus $54 fee) to get my Purchaser ID. They "lost" my prints, then they had to question me on why my prints were already in the "system" (military service). Then they asked me to come back to the station for an interview... Turns out "Darnell" not Daniel had an outstanding warrant in Alabama. ID card finally came in, but I had to wait 2 weeks for the Chief to come back from vacation so it could be signed. When I finallly got it, I drove the 1/2 mile to Ramsey outdoor to pick up my Ruger Mini-14. Even though it was only 9:30 A.M. on the date of issue on my ID card, I still had to pay for the NICS check.

If I ever get off my ass, I'm going to get an out-of-state carry permit in PA. Figure when I cross the bridge, I can take off my helmet, and strap on my .45
your right D.C is awful but we are trying to get a law to let us carry there from other states I always carry mine in D.C if I have to go there CAPS games ect.

[bkbigfish]

It is my understanding that a shotgun is not simply 'point and shoot' especially at self-defense type range. The spread really is very small with shot.

You're are correct. The popular buck shot loads spread at approximately less than 1" for every yard after exiting the muzzle. This can vary to some degree with the barrel length, choke, and load, but it's still a weapon that must be shouldered and properly aimed at the target, not fired from the hip like some shit out of Commando.

Please take a defensive firearms course after you have purchased your firearm, otherwise you're still more than likely going to be a greater threat to your neighbors, family, emergency responders, etc. than to an attacker(s). Although it's an unlikely event in most non-LEO civilians' lifetimes, it's something you should be practicing on a regular basis because it's going to happen to somebody, you just might as well be more prepared than the next guy.

Although I hate top posting, I'll leave you with what TrybalRage concluded his post with since it's very important...

And remember the four rules -

1. Every gun is always loaded. No exceptions.
2. Never point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your booger hook OFF the bang switch until you are ready to fire.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it. Don't want to nail Grandma with the rounds coming out the other side of the darky.

[ChrisH]

Yeah, you're pretty much not going to have a pistol permit in NYC not even a premises permit. For home defense, shotguns are the way to go. Mossberg makes a nice 410 guage pump with a pistol foregrip.

http://shooterssupply.org/guns/gun124.jpg

A 3" Magnum 410 guage slug is considerably larger than a .44 magnum bullet stopping power galore at close range. I would load it as follows:

Shells 1 & 2 are 3" Magnum 00 Buckshot. (You just have to point the thing in the Perp's general Direction and pull)

Shells 3 & 4 are 3" 410 Slugs (Once he's down from a few 00 pellets, you can finish the job with one to the temple)

You can shorten the barrel to a barely legal 18.5 inches. Don't worry about putting slugs through a shot barrel either, It's not like you'll be doing it every day. Just enough times to save your ass.

The 410 doesn't have nearly the kick as a 20 or 12 guage and your Wife/GF can use it to defend herself with little or no training.

You will need to register this gun with the NYPD and I believe present proof of said registration in order to buy Ammunition within the confines of NYC.

Hope it helps.

Thanks for everyone's advice/help here. Hey BurtConveyHair, I've fired a 12 guage before (bird and buck shot), but never slugs. I know you said if you fire slugs through a shot barrel on occasion, it's ok. What about the other way around (shot down a slug barrel)?

Also, do the shells fire in the order they are loaded? It seems to me that the last shell loaded would be the first one fired (i.e. the shells move from barrel end to stock end when being fired), right?

Thanks. This hurricane shit gets me spooked. Not that I think NYC will ever get flooded this bad, but we will almost certainly have more blackouts and terrorist attacks, and I just want to be able to protect myself and my stuff.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Most short barreled shotguns (18.5 inches) have smooth barrels that can shoot either shot loads or slugs. The slugs won't be as accurate at distance, but it doesn't really matter if you're inside fifty yards.

When you load a shotgun the first rounds in will be your last ones shot. I personally have 00 buck and pre-fragmented slugs on my side saddle (it holds 6 rounds on the receiver), along with a Surefire flashlight for the fore end.

My Remington 870 Police Magnum can shoot 3" or 2 1/2" rounds and has a Tritium front bead (it glows in the dark).

[BCH]

Douchey's right, almost all Rifled Slug barrels are 24" in length. A little long for home defense. The 18.5 Incher not only has a wide shot pattern, it'e easier to swing it around in the confines of your home/apt. Hopefully, by the time you get to firing slugs, you won't be shooting at a moving target, so accuracy will not be an issue. And hell yeah buy a 12 guage if you want one. I use a 410 because my wife may need to use it and it's big enough to do the job.



On another note, notice how Douchey and I both are using Pump Guns? This is because, when your average criminal (Thief) hears the sound of you cycling the first shell into the chamber, he'll start running before you have to pull the trigger. You don't get that kind of intimidation with a Semi-Auto or a pistol.

Oh by the way, that Pic. is of a Purpose Built Mossberg called the HS410 Retails for $350. I use a model 500 with a short barrel, extended tube, Black Stock and Pistol Foregrip. The HS410 even comes with a special "Spreader" Choke to widen the pattern. Seems like a good buy.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

That .410 also has a Muzzle brake on it, I saw some woman shooting one at the range with her husband, they were using light field loads which are useless in self defense, use 000 .410 buck. Don't underestimate a 20 gauge either, with the right rounds just as good as a 12 with a little less recoil.

Last time I went shooting a bunch of golfers had a chopped up Mossberg (they took a saw to a bird gun, no real pistol grip and I doubt it was an over 18.5" barrel) that they were taking turns shooting (not to well either). They looked at my shotgun and started freaking when I started going through all seven shots in about five seconds while staying on target. I simply told them it was for social situations. :icon_mrgr

[JerseyMeatHook]

try the corner of 155th and River ave. In the South Bronx. You don't even need ID.

[Sprite]

If I ever get off my ass, I'm going to get an out-of-state carry permit in PA. Figure when I cross the bridge, I can take off my helmet, and strap on my .45

You're in Jersey, right? How would you go about doing that in PA?

[IrishAlkey]

Move to the burbs.

[giant pop tart]

You're in Jersey, right? How would you go about doing that in PA?

PA will issue a carry permit to out-of-staters. As far as I know, you basically fill out an application at a sherriff's office.

Then once you have a PA permit, you can carry in a bunch of other states. The NRA website has a list of all the states, what kind of permits they have, and what other state's permits they will recognize.

[Cage]

Word on the street is Bernie Goetz is a good shot. Ask him for some tips.

[Budyzir]

Please take a defensive firearms course after you have purchased your firearm, otherwise you're still more than likely going to be a greater threat to your neighbors, family, emergency responders, etc. than to an attacker(s). Although it's an unlikely event in most non-LEO civilians' lifetimes, it's something you should be practicing on a regular basis because it's going to happen to somebody, you just might as well be more prepared than the next guy.

That’s some real good advice. Also, there are courses available tailored for civilians in a home scenario, try a google search. You may have to travel but nothing beats specific training should a life and death situation occur.

[Budyzir]

I simply told them it was for social situations.

Hahahahaha ! NICE !

[TrybalRage]

You should be able to find PA permits online, by county.

And for general carry info:

www.packing.org

Also, please get learned up on state laws regarding self defense and the defense of others... remember you can't shoot someone for stealing your car (unless you live in the great state of Texas). You also open yourself up to civil action even if it is a justified shoot. Knowledge is important, what to do, say, etc. after a shoot. There are courses offered everywhere, if you look. Join the NRA. Join the Gun Owners of America. NRA even has insurance you can get to cover your ass for legal costs as long as you were justified.

[Sinn Fein]

Boy am I glad I live in PA... :)