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A quick Google search found no instances of people being billed for hazmat cleanup after an accident.
The big battery in the Prius (and I believe the Hondas too) is a NiCad. It is recharged by a computer that takes special care to not decrease the capacity over the life of the battery.
Because the Prius is an AT-PZEV, the big battery has a warranty that is regulated under emissions laws:
Basic: 36 months/36,000 miles (all components other than normal wear and maintenance items). Hybrid-Related Component Coverage: Prius' hybrid-related components, including the HV battery, battery control module, hybrid control module and inverter with converter, are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles. The HV battery may have longer coverage under emissions warranty. Refer to applicable Owner's Warranty Information booklet for details.
(That's from http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/warranty/warranty.html )
So try not talking shit when you don't know.
Got One?
09-01-2005, 10:10 PM
i'm all for the hybrids.....but damn they just look too ugly to drive. i get the whole streamline thing...... but damn..........
i'm all for the hybrids.....but damn they just look too ugly to drive. i get the whole streamline thing...... but damn..........
There are only two of them that look strange. The Prius and the Honda Insight.
The Civic & Accord look almost identical to the non-hybrid versions (they have a more aerodynamic front bumper and a slightly different spoiler). The Lexus RX400h, Toyota Highlander and Ford Escape look identical to the non-hybrid versions of the same vehicle (the Lexus RX400h is the hybrid version of the RX330).
I think the Prius looks very "car of the future", but yeah, you can get a hybrid that looks like the other vehicles. There'll be a Camry Hybrid next MY, I believe.
Farm Flufer
09-01-2005, 11:08 PM
Did I hear Steve say he's getting 11MPG at 90MPH? If that's the case, I don't see any reason at all to get one of these if most of your driving is on the highways.
crescentwrench
09-01-2005, 11:32 PM
There is only one, for now. If you're environmentally concerned about oil use. Well, there is another. If you think that they are cool. But c'mon, who really thinks that?
People think they're saving money because they don't fill up as much. Even if you don't think that the mileages are inflated, it still won't really pan out. You're going to pay more up front for a hybrid than for a comparible regular car. And while you can sometimes haggle with a normal car, dealers won't budge on a hybrid since they are paying more too.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-01-2005/0003769331&EDATE=
Edmunds.com found that during the first five years
of ownership, a hybrid can cost as much as $5,283 more than its non-hybrid
counterpart.
Edmunds.com
analysts determined that gas would have to cost at least $5.60 per gallon for
hybrid drivers to break even if they drove 15,000 miles per year over the five
years. Alternately, they could break even if they drove at least 37,000 miles
per year at the current average gas price of $2.28 per gallon.
So unless the hybrid folk are in GA right now or drive a crapload every year they are probably getting the shaft twice. They are driving around in a fag car and not saving any money.
Hybrids are sure to become viable pretty soon, and at that time I'll pull the trigger and probably get one. But at the moment they are as spectacular as a Segway.
Did I hear Steve say he's getting 11MPG at 90MPH? If that's the case, I don't see any reason at all to get one of these if most of your driving is on the highways.
Yeah, when he pegs the speedo at 90, the computer reports a live mileage of 11 mpg. That has nothing to do with his overall mileage. Your car probably gets a lower mileage than that at 90, and his overall mileage is much higher that yours.
How much driving do you consistently do at 90 anyway? I drive a lot at night and I certainly don't, not even on the trip to Austin. Unless that Porsche Cayenne Turbo ends up in front of me again. I made great time on that trip.
There is only one, for now. If you're environmentally concerned about oil use. Well, there is another. If you think that they are cool. But c'mon, who really thinks that?
People think they're saving money because they don't fill up as much. Even if you don't think that the mileages are inflated, it still won't really pan out. You're going to pay more up front for a hybrid than for a comparible regular car. And while you can sometimes haggle with a normal car, dealers won't budge on a hybrid since they are paying more too.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-01-2005/0003769331&EDATE=
So unless the hybrid folk are in GA right now or drive a crapload every year they are probably getting the shaft twice. They are driving around in a fag car and not saving any money.
Hybrids are sure to become viable pretty soon, and at that time I'll pull the trigger and probably get one. But at the moment they are as spectacular as a Segway.
Only one what? One hybrid? There's the Prius, Civic, Accord, and Ford Escape, the Lexus 400h, and the upcoming Toyota Highlander (if it's not out now). There's also a Mercury coming.
I think they're cool, if nobody else. But I'm thinking other people do too, considering they're selling like crazy.
And you don't buy a hybrid just so you can somehow even out on saving gas money. That's not the point. Besides, if you look over the featureset of the Prius, it's above the average Camry and just below the Avalon. It's huge inside.
turdfrgsn
09-05-2005, 01:13 PM
there needs to be an endless loop of the jetsons clip running through this entire thread
Sajix
09-05-2005, 01:25 PM
He gets 11 mpg at 90 because of gear ratio. Cars generally get their best mileage at 60 because and it slowly declines as you increase your speed. If I go 60 to 65 on a road trip I'll get around 30 mpg, but when I go above 70 which I usually do, I end up around 25 mpg.
Look at your tachometer when you're going 60 versus 90, at least in my saab its about 2.5k at 60, but at 90 its revving pretty high just to maintain the speed so the engine is working harder and burning more fuel.
JeebJeebJeeb
09-05-2005, 02:24 PM
There is only one, for now. If you're environmentally concerned about oil use. Well, there is another. If you think that they are cool. But c'mon, who really thinks that?
People think they're saving money because they don't fill up as much. Even if you don't think that the mileages are inflated, it still won't really pan out. You're going to pay more up front for a hybrid than for a comparible regular car. And while you can sometimes haggle with a normal car, dealers won't budge on a hybrid since they are paying more too.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-01-2005/0003769331&EDATE=
So unless the hybrid folk are in GA right now or drive a crapload every year they are probably getting the shaft twice. They are driving around in a fag car and not saving any money.
Hybrids are sure to become viable pretty soon, and at that time I'll pull the trigger and probably get one. But at the moment they are as spectacular as a Segway.
that is exactly why i wouldnt bother with a camry or accord hybrid. in the end the price you pay for the technology of a hybrid will cancel out the money that you save on gas.
i think the accord hybrid will be about 30k while you can prob. get the same car with a 4 cyl(with exelent fuel economy) for about 21K.
PEST BY TRADE
09-05-2005, 02:31 PM
The plus about hybrids in Virginia you get to drive in hov at anytime no personal property tax which is 3% of the cars value and no emissions testing to get your tags.However they are not the safest cars in the world when you have huge SUV's on the road with them but neither are saturns Tell'em Jimmy !
I'm Just sayin
KneeKnee
09-05-2005, 02:47 PM
He gets 11 mpg at 90 because of gear ratio. Cars generally get their best mileage at 60 because and it slowly declines as you increase your speed. If I go 60 to 65 on a road trip I'll get around 30 mpg, but when I go above 70 which I usually do, I end up around 25 mpg.
Look at your tachometer when you're going 60 versus 90, at least in my saab its about 2.5k at 60, but at 90 its revving pretty high just to maintain the speed so the engine is working harder and burning more fuel.
I dont know about that. I was doing between 90 and 100 on the way home from great adventure a few months ago and was gettign the best gas mileage since I got the car. 30.2 mpg in 6th gear @ 3000 rpm.
But then again, I guess you are right; it is about RPM, not speed. I know 90mph in 5th gear yeilds less MPG.
I have driven a few hybrids and they just feel weird. First, when you start them, you cant even tell they are on. It is like when you put your car on accessory. When you hit the gas to go it feels like you are on a rollercoaster leaving the bay, but at a much slower speed.
Sprite
09-05-2005, 03:29 PM
I think some people are missing the point of owning a hybrid. I think for alot of people it's as much about saving the environment as it is saving on gas. There's alot of tree huggers out there who would gladly pay a few thousand more for a vehicle that has much less negative impact on the environment.
I plan on keeping my LHS for quite some time, and if I buy another vehicle anytime soon, it's going to be a 1987 Monte Carlo LS that's going to get a GM 502 swap. :icon_mrgr
Did I hear Steve say he's getting 11MPG at 90MPH? If that's the case, I don't see any reason at all to get one of these if most of your driving is on the highways.
He was being sarcastic. I drove my Civic Hybrid to North Carolina & back a few years ago, averaging 70-75mph, I got 46.5 mpg on that trip. For point of reference, if I floor the gas pedal on the highway, my instant mileage gauge will go down to about 15-20 mph.
The Civic does a better job on the highway than the first generation Prius did because they both utilized their electric motors differently. In the second generation Prius (the one that is currently out), uses the good ideas from both Toyota's & Honda's first generation methodologies.
Next year's Civic hybrid will be using the good ideas that Toyota had too.
Also, depending on where you live and when you drive, even when you do most of your driving on the highway, it's not just straight 65mph driving. Ther are lots of times when you are only driving 30-40 mph. That's when the Prius is at it's best.
People think they're saving money because they don't fill up as much. Even if you don't think that the mileages are inflated, it still won't really pan out. You're going to pay more up front for a hybrid than for a comparible regular car. And while you can sometimes haggle with a normal car, dealers won't budge on a hybrid since they are paying more too.
First, that article is from 2003, so I'd question how accurate it really is right now. While I will agree that the hybrid versions of cars cost more than the non-hybrid versions, much of it is offset by tax credits and deducitons. However, the hybrid's all come "loaded". If you are someone who would buy the base version of a car, then going to a hybrid will be much more expensive because there will be a lot of things that you wouldn't have purchased anyway. Otherwise, the sticker on a hybrid is about $3 more than the non-hybrid version. I will also agree that, today, you can't haggle on a hybrid. But that's only because they are in such demand. Once supply matches demand, you will be able to haggle, just like any other car.
As far as maintenance is concerned, I have no idea what they are talking about (especially since they are talking about the first 3 years). The maintenance on my Civic Hybrid costs less than if I had a regular Civic. I pay $24.99 at the dealership for oil changes, just like the Civic, only I don't need to get them as ofren as the regular Civic does. There are no maintenance items related to the electric motor.
If you want to talk long term ownership, there may be an additional cost of replacing the batteries at some time. But they have an 8yr 80K mile warranty. From what I've read, people are up to 170K miles on their Civics without having to replace the batteries.
Insurance, collision and comprehensive may be a higher cost than for a comparable non-hybrid car because it's worth $3K more. I don't know. I do know that my insurance is less now than it was with my GMC Jimmy that I drove prior to getting the Civic.
He gets 11 mpg at 90 because of gear ratio. Cars generally get their best mileage at 60 because and it slowly declines as you increase your speed. If I go 60 to 65 on a road trip I'll get around 30 mpg, but when I go above 70 which I usually do, I end up around 25 mpg.
Look at your tachometer when you're going 60 versus 90, at least in my saab its about 2.5k at 60, but at 90 its revving pretty high just to maintain the speed so the engine is working harder and burning more fuel.
ISTR it's 45 where cars get best mileage, which is why they lowered the limits during the last gas crisis...
crescentwrench
09-05-2005, 09:36 PM
I think it's their logo that is from 2003. Not for certain what timeframe their info is based on, but I'm pretty sure that Edmunds came out with that finding in June of this year.
Only one what? One hybrid?
Only one reason to own a hybrid, which is envirnomental concerns. Right now anyway, until the tech is more efficient and cheaper.
And yeah there is high demand for them, there's no doubt about that. But I bet if you polled the buyers they would say (probably mistakenly) that the reason they're doing it is to save money because they don't gas up as much. They never figure any other costs into it.
This is sort of like how my wife understands economics. She'll get a new pair of shoes "because they're on sale". Since she's not paying full price it's like she's saving that money. Even though if they weren't on sale she'd never have bought them at all. What I'm trying to say is that my wife is a dullard.
Not really, honey, I was joking. Quit reading wackbag.
Heh, like all those people telling each other last week that you'd better go buy gas because the price was going to go up 80 cents the next day. It doesn't matter when you buy gas, you'll always buy more later - unless you die.
TaZMaNiaK
09-06-2005, 01:43 AM
ISTR it's 45 where cars get best mileage, which is why they lowered the limits during the last gas crisis...
No it's 50-55. Then it drops off 1mpg for every 5mph over 55. So at 85mph, you are losing 5mpg compared to if you were doing 55mph. It holds true for just about any vehicle, even my old Ramcharger. My average is about 11mpg (I generally just go with the flow, in the 75-80mph range), and I have been holding it to 55 on the highways, and I have noticed a significant gain. Just from watching my tripometer from my last fillup and the gas gauge, I'm at 15mpg now. Try it.
Heh, like all those people telling each other last week that you'd better go buy gas because the price was going to go up 80 cents the next day. It doesn't matter when you buy gas, you'll always buy more later - unless you die.
Yeah well, that's 80 cents a gallon you didn't pay that time. I have been driving a lot less, basically just to and from work, and I've only gone through 1/4 of the gas I normally use in a week. Hopefuly now that the hoiday travel weekend is over, the prices will go down a little.
MikeTheTeacher
09-06-2005, 03:34 AM
hybrids will be fun until the flux capacitor is developed...
BruceKellysJunk
09-06-2005, 08:25 AM
Everyone seems to think that hybrids are too expensive and you lose money buying one. If I am correct, the civic hybrid starts under 20k and prius is around 21k. Unless you are comparing that to a kia rio, it seems like a pretty good deal to me.
My friend got a used prius earlier this year with around 40,000 miles on it. Since then he has put on a little over 25,000 with no problems whatsoever. I am not saying that they are the most dependable cars, but I have not heard too much about them breaking down.
I put around 60 miles on my car each day driving to and from work and am seriously considering looking into a hybrid for my next car. I just need to get a cd with the jetson sounds looped to play while I drive.
one more thing, they are only slow at high speeds. the electric motor turns out 295 lb-ft of torque so it goes 0-30 in 3.1 seconds (a 2005 mustang GT is 2.5) but after that it drops off quite a bit once the gas engine kicks in.
Is that a classic Prius (2001-2003, looks like an Echo) or new Prius (2004-now, much sexier)?
Li'll Chi'en
09-06-2005, 06:31 PM
I think the Prius is a lot dumber looking then the Insight
http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/images/Scooter/honda_insight.jpg
vs
http://maharada.com/blog/archives/images/pictures/prius.jpg
Yeah, I'm gonna say the Prius has a more mainstream design. Most people think the Insight is butt ugly, but hey, I like it. Then there's always "How do you change a tire?!" The same way you did back in the day when they had quarter panels before, dumbass...
Ballbuster1
09-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Then there's always "How do you change a tire?!" The same way you did back in the day when they had quarter panels before, dumbass...Alot of these kids don't remember "fender skirts".
My last car that had them was a 65 Grand Prix.:icon_mrgr
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