V for Vendetta

[agentcg]

Anyone else psyched for this 1984/Matrix hybrid?

Based on David Loyd and Alan Moore's graphic novel, the Wachowski Brothers (famous for the Matrix Trilogy) have wrote the script for the movie which stars Hugo Weaving and Natalie Portman.

I haven't read the graphic novel yet, but the trailer looks great, and the Wachowski Brothers are great writers.

[blackout-]

yea trailer looked good.

[Johnny Manf]

bald natalie still equals hot natalie

[tussle_tussle69]

I got the graphic novel on my computer

[NikDaSchwugie]

I don't think the Wachowski brothers are such hot writers. Yeah, they wrote Bound - which was ok - but I don't think the original Matrix movie was their creation, and the sequels stunk.

[Warfarer]

i personally think this movie looks like it will stink and I don't think I will like it.

[agentcg]

but I don't think the original Matrix movie was their creation,

So whos was it?

[NikDaSchwugie]

So whos was it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Stewart

[LOGAN]

i want to like this movie beacuse im a huge alan moore fan and hugo weaving is the man (only thing that made either matrix sequel watchable.) it has promise as long as they didnt fuck it up to much. im gonna hope for the best .

[agentcg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Stewart

Bitch should have provided the proper evidence.

[agentcg]

and another thing . . .

Whether you dont like the rest of the trilogy for whatever silly reason, you can not deny the amazing twist in Reloaded and how it completely expanded the story. That right there proves they didnt steal much.

Did they get inspired by other movies and stories? Sure! 1984, the V for Vendetta graphic novel, other kung fu movies, they all helped inspire the Wachowski bros to make the great trilogy.

[Jables2002]

So whos was it?

Hoo Hoo invented the Matrix. Tell 'em Fred.

I've read the Graphic Novel so I'm looking forward to this movie, but I've heard that people who've read the script say that it stinks and they don't like it. I'll still see it for Natalie anyways....

[Hudson]

Hope we get to see some more of her nice pink nips in this movie! :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

[LilJimmyRbinson]

Anyone going? I haven't been to the movies yet in 2006, but I think I'll go see this one. It's getting pretty good reviews.

[Coffee Diva]

Every review I've read of this says it's awful. And that's pretty meaningful given that the subject matter - a standard-issue allegorical Bush-is-evil story - should be giving the reviewers wet dreams. Instead, even they say it's hamhanded, makes completely unfair comparisons to our present political situation, steals huge chunks of imagery straight out of "1984" without even the slightest attempt at paying Orwell any homage for it, and is pro-terrorism.

And don't forget that Moore has completely disassociated himself from the movie.

I'll probably grab it off BitTorrent and watch it at home just for the cheese factor. But there's no way I'm paying for it.

[Swamp CAve]

Every review I've read of this says it's awful. And that's pretty meaningful given that the subject matter - a standard-issue allegorical Bush-is-evil story - should be giving the reviewers wet dreams. Instead, even they say it's hamhanded, makes completely unfair comparisons to our present political situation, steals huge chunks of imagery straight out of "1984" without even the slightest attempt at paying Orwell any homage for it, and is pro-terrorism.

And don't forget that Moore has completely disassociated himself from the movie.

I'll probably grab it off BitTorrent and watch it at home just for the cheese factor. But there's no way I'm paying for it.

yeah usually Moore just sells the rights and walks away from the movie.

I'm still gonna see this movie, but I don't have high expectations.

Does anyone know if they're making a Watchmen movie?

[RonnieandFezzie]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/v_for_vendetta/
I don't know it seems to me that most of the reviewers hate it.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Considering it's a movie based on a 'graphic novel', I'm not suprised that most reviewers thrashed it.

I'll go see it, just to piss off those asshats.

[abudabit]

I've heard it is a pretty good film. Of course the allegory is micky mouse - in real life good and evil isn't so clearly defined, there is no senselessly evil government, and of course in real life terrorists attacks kill innocent people. Also in real life people who defend governments seen as bad do so for good reasons a lot of the time.

In this movie, the government is undefendable - completely unrealistic. In this movie, his terrorist attacks don't kill too many innocents - completely unrealistic. In this movie, the people are brainwashed instead of supporting the government for genuine reasons - completely unrealistic. It pretty much sets up the perfect scenario where you can defend terrorism - and as a result loses any shred of intellectual integrity. This aspect of the story might have been written by a 10 year old. I had to laugh when Ron was defending it (it was written about Margaret Thatcher, not Bush btw - not that makes it any less rediculous). Sometimes the guy just seems like a simpleton for buying into this emotional tripe.

I mean anyone with half a brain and a shred of honesty who is into this story would realize the main character is modeled after a catholic religious terrorist who attempted to ignite the holy war between protestants and catholics in England. His plan was to blow up several protestant controlled houses of government. That is who V's mask is of. That is the reality of terorrism, something that the imbecile Alan Moore decided to ignore. How funny is it that a story that attempts to paint a heroic picture of terrorism goes out of thier way to avoid addressing any real aspect of the real incident, meanwhile makes a reference to the real face of terrorism in the "hero's" costume?

The action and entertainment aspect of the movie is good, however, from what I hear.

[SOS]

The graphic novel is just not that good plot-wise. It tries to be a liberal apoclyptic story but is so over the place that the story could be seen as symbolic of V's antifascistim/anarchistic tendncies but I think it is due to the cartoonist/authors' inability to plan ahead.

If you think that this will be as good as the Matrix Trilogy, you will be sorely mistaken.

[Absolutely]

I saw it this afternoon, and really liked it.
Of course it was a little preachy and shows things that happened from 2006-2020 in the Us and what not.. now the U.S is in Civil War, the former U.S ect.
but the movie overall wasn't bad at all, and had some good fight/action scenes.

Plus for me, Natalie Portman is one of the hottest chicks out there. And the fact that she's still hot bald is amazing

[abudabit]

I want Natalie Portman in a giant fish tank in my basement floating in some liquid, so to look at.

She looks so peaceful there... like she's sleeping.

[TreeFortRichard]

Leonard Maltin did a review of this, that I had buffered in the TIVO so i watched it 2x and I still couldn't figure out if he like it or not..Cryptic Douche...hey that would make a good name...Cryptic Douche

[turdfrgsn]

no nattie lippies n nippies no 10 dollah

if anything i'll wait for the torrent

[OddDancer]

I actually saw it a week ago at a free screening in NYU and I thought it was excellent. The writing is especially good.
I think the only reason it's getting such a negative response is because people are so sick of the Bush Administration parodying and what they feel are little jabs at our current government. Of course the comic books came out a while ago so that's just their perception.
I thought overall the movie worked very well. It was quite uplifting to watch and yes, the message was a bit simplistic and idealized, but for what it was, I enjoyed it thoroughly.

Up to you guys. I also liked the fact that there weren't that many action sequences to cheapen the movie.

Also it helps if you do a little research on Guy Fawkes before you go watch the movie. I wasn't too familiar with the guy and I was a bit confused at the beginning of the movie. Apparently if you're British, you'd be more familiar with the name.

[abudabit]

Guy Fawkes was a Catholic zealot who attempted to blow up the Protestant controlled houses of government. He essentially was the first big name terrorist who wanted a holy war and Catholithism to dominate England again. Some hero.

On Guy Fawkes day it's a tradition to burn an effigy of him. This story tries to make him seem like a hero. And you're right, this story was about Margaret Thatcher, not Bush. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

[SOS]

The graphic novel was based on the authors reaction to Margaret Thatcher, the movie is about parody of Bush set in England.

[GLENN_THE_TOOL]

i'm going to see it tonight. i wanted to see this movie last night after hanging with the Wackbaggers and Paltalkers, so i stopped in at the AMC right off Times Square after we all split up. let's just say that it was a little "dark" inside, so i decided to head home where i can see it in a theater and not fear for my safety.

[blackout-]

saw it last night, fucking awesome. one of my fav movies of alltime id say, kinda like a fucked up mix of equilibrium/1984 and plunkett and macleane. nothing will ever be better than pulp fiction i think, but this is pretty damn close to being that good.

if you really think this movie tries to make a "hero" out of fawkes your retarded. its a fuckin movie, watch it, be entertained. and i hate bush but theres no way this is a "parody" about him - if anything its alot more like hitler. my dad who is a huge bush suporter thought it was great too.

great flik

[abudabit]

if you really think this movie tries to make a "hero" out of fawkes your retarded.

Spoiler alert. At the end he blows up the house of commons or whatever and surprise surprise, no innocents get hurt. :action-sm How is a tribute to Fawkes where no good guys get hurt and the government is undefendable not trying to make a hero out of Fawkes? Care to explain to me how a movie and graphic novel where the government is conveniently super bad and the terrorist rarely kills civilians not a glorification? When the writer goes out of his way to set everything up for the terrorist character to avoid any real life smudges, how is that character not being glorified?

V is fucking based on Fawkes, except he is living in a 10 year olds modern rendition of the story.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

You say terrorist, I say freedom fighter. It all depends on which side of the coin you're on. :icon_mrgr

[abudabit]

That's the same thing the Iraqis on both sides are calling thier boys. The reality is none of this shit should be glorified. It's not some Velvet Revolution. The real life V is a field of dead Sunnis being found or some Sunni asshat blowing up a market because the Shiites are shiiting on his people.

And I would also like to point out to all the phony liberals like Alan Moore that Maggie wasn't the most big government of the recent UK leaders.

The funniest part though is reading the reviews where people say "This is really what the world will be like in 20 years, this is the direction we are heading in." Tell it to 1984, stupid. Just think about it, every second through the history of complex human concepts there were people saying the same shit. Sometimes it happens (North Korea), but the ultra-communist fearing doomsdayers are batting about .004.

[BLACKIEhugeHANDS]

kick ass movie.... i don't really give 2 hoots about propaganda, but for 2 and a half hours i'll say that i was entertained.

[OddDancer]

I don't understand why it bothers you.
Sure things don't work out so simply in real life, but within the world that was created in V for Vendetta, it's justified. I think it's quite appropriate that he said that sometimes the truth is told through lies. If you're going to take this movie as an attempt to provide a "solution" to a real life oppressive government, I can see why you'd be upset.
But all I saw was this ideal being simplified and blown up in order to make that ideal much more clear.

I'm not trying to say your interpretation is wrong. All I'm trying to say is that if you don't look too deeply into the movie, you'll be able to enjoy it more. Neither my core values nor your core values will be changed by watching this movie, but depending on the perspective you take, you will either walk away happy or upset. It's just a movie, so might as well put yourself in a position where you'll enjoy it.

[silentbob8201]

Every review I've read of this says it's awful. And that's pretty meaningful given that the subject matter - a standard-issue allegorical Bush-is-evil story - should be giving the reviewers wet dreams. Instead, even they say it's hamhanded, makes completely unfair comparisons to our present political situation, steals huge chunks of imagery straight out of "1984" without even the slightest attempt at paying Orwell any homage for it, and is pro-terrorism.

And don't forget that Moore has completely disassociated himself from the movie.

I'll probably grab it off BitTorrent and watch it at home just for the cheese factor. But there's no way I'm paying for it.
Moore never supports movies based on his works. and he left DC because of that jack ass who produced the movie Joel Silver also the co author thought the movie captured the spirit of the graphic novel perfectly fuck what that Hairy Wookie thinks he didnt even read the script nor seen the movie

[Seandq]

It sounds like 1984 and leans left. I like it.

[atrophy]

just saw it, fuckign awesome

who else caught the natalie portman upskirt??

that outfit was fucking hot

im gonna give my pause button a workout when the dvd comes out


and how do you people who are writing paragaph long posts about how unrealistic and propagandist this movie is have any friends? it's a FUCKING MOVIE

[MilitantRabbit]

who else caught the natalie portman upskirt??

that outfit was fucking hot

im gonna give my pause button a workout when the dvd comes out
I caught that. If it weren't for the 10-year olds in the row in front of me, I'd have scrapped a batch.

Great movie. John Hurt played a scary Sutler. Hugo Weaving proved once again that he is the man. And of course, Natalie Portman is hot in any configuration (except double mastectomy).

[abudabit]

But all I saw was this ideal being simplified and blown up in order to make that ideal much more clear.

How is it an ideal if it has no basis in reality? If you take away the perfect setup you have Timothy McVeigh bombing the Oklahoma Federal Complex. That's an ideal? Maybe to nuts. All I am saying is add some realism to it and the concept totally falls apart, however the concept has been the movies marketing and selling point. Ron B. bought into it. Lots of people bought into it. It's a stupid thing to buy into.

It's a good dumb action movie. But it is indeed a dumb movie which people buy into.

[Mommadeez4u]

perhaps if you change the word 'Parliment' to the word 'Reichstag' you'll have a better appreciation for the movie's message.

[BLACKIEhugeHANDS]

who else caught the natalie portman upskirt??

that outfit was fucking hot

im gonna give my pause button a workout when the dvd comes out




she was smoking.... and even with a shaved head she was still hotter than a lot of the actresses out there...

[OddDancer]

How is it an ideal if it has no basis in reality? If you take away the perfect setup you have Timothy McVeigh bombing the Oklahoma Federal Complex. That's an ideal? Maybe to nuts. All I am saying is add some realism to it and the concept totally falls apart, however the concept has been the movies marketing and selling point. Ron B. bought into it. Lots of people bought into it. It's a stupid thing to buy into.

It's a good dumb action movie. But it is indeed a dumb movie which people buy into.

Well, like you said, it's the perfect setup. Since it's the perfect setup, the ideal has a place in that movie. It doesn't have a place in the world of McVeigh. So no, it's not an ideal. When you have a complex, real world situation, it is difficult to discern how righteous an ideal is. But for certain movies I think it's nice if you get rid of all those shades of gray and make things black and white.
All I'm trying to say is that I can put myself in a position where I will be able to enjoy overly reductive and simplistic movies where you don't have to worry too much about getting the innocent killed, or political parties, or anything complicated that is already there in real life. Sometimes I like things "dumbed down" so I can actually enjoy it.

You say that if you add some realism to this movie, the whole concept falls apart. But as long as you don't, it works rather well. It works within that fantasy world created by Alan Moore and the director of the movie. So why not take it for what it is? Why look at it for something it isn't?

That's all. I mean, it sucks that you couldn't take yourself out of that mindset and weren't able to enjoy it. I did, and I thought it rocked. We all have those movies that we'll agree rationally that they fucking stink, but emotionally we are able to enjoy them. For me, V for Vendetta was one of those.

[RadioMercenary]

I caught it last night, and I tell you I was blown away. I thought it was the best movie I've seen in a long time. The acting was great (though I love Natalie Portman in anything) and the story compelling.

That said, two things:

1. I HAAAATE when people have to assume because politics are involved in the plot of a film that it's some allegory to current times. The only people who see that are the ones who imagine Bush and what not doing all the stuff the government in 'V' does, which is just nonsense. Not saying that it's impossible and should serve as a cautionary tale, I'll concede that, and that's my take on that.

2. Was I the only one who thought of 'The Matrix Revolutions' at the end?

[Screwtape]

a movie is a movie is a movie. thumbs up for an entertaining escape

[OddDancer]

a movie is a movie is a movie. thumbs up for an entertaining escape

Yep, I agree wholeheartedly.

[prozac]

Loved it..saw it Saturday. #1 movie over the week-end (no surprise)

[weakside]

First off, it’s a fucking make-believe movie. There is no agenda, no one really died, it's someone’s thoughts and story and that is it. It's the same argument with comedy: they are just jokes and thus, don't take the shit too seriously. It's funny how people are so "open" to other opinions until it clashes with their own. Everyone needs to calm down.

With all of that being said, I saw the movie and I thought it was very
predictable and average at best.

[aromain]

How is it an ideal if it has no basis in reality? If you take away the perfect setup you have Timothy McVeigh bombing the Oklahoma Federal Complex. That's an ideal? Maybe to nuts. All I am saying is add some realism to it and the concept totally falls apart, however the concept has been the movies marketing and selling point. Ron B. bought into it. Lots of people bought into it. It's a stupid thing to buy into.

It's a good dumb action movie. But it is indeed a dumb movie which people buy into.


Did you like fight club or was it too dumb? How about A Brave New World...did you think it was too unrealistic?

Im not trashing you...btw...I just think your putting this movie in a Movie of the week catagory where I just dont think it belongs.

I think its just an authors extension of the ills of complacency, which seems very prevalent in American society. I dont think the movie is good because its outs a currupt american government. I couldnt imagine our government is any more or less opressive than it ever was.

I thought it was a really enjoyable movie with some great scenes and very decent plot and dialog...maybe its just because I'm a huge fan of The Count of Monte Cristo and love the character aspects of revenge.

Natalie Portman did some amazing acting, even if her elongated neck and bald head made me think she was going to jump in some kids bicycle basket and make him fly across a moon backdrop. And yes, she still looked great.

BUT, if you watch this movie and begin dreaming conspiracy theories between Bush and 9/11, you really shouldn't be watching movies. A shiny pinwheel is much cheaper.

[weakside]

BUT, if you watch this movie and begin dreaming conspiracy theories between Bush and 9/11, you really shouldn't be watching movies. A shiny pinwheel is much cheaper.

This line was a lot more entertaining than the movie was. :clap:

[aromain]

This line was a lot more entertaining than the movie was. :clap:

Thanks buddy, :icon_redf :icon_redf :icon_redf ... you're great too.

[Carl Spackler]

Saw it Saturday night and also thought it was great. I wish they had explained Guy Fawkes a little better in the beginning since I had no idea who he was. I do remember hearing the "Remember, Remember the 5th of November" from somewhere though.

I got scared in the beginning when V started talking that the dialogue was going to be old english sophisticated talk.. but it was only up until he was describing himself with as many adjectives that started with a "V". After that, the movie flowed nicely.

[OddDancer]

Yeah one of the best parts of the movie was when he started alliterating V words. The acoustics in the screening room were a bit shitty so I couldn't catch most of what he said. If anyone has like a transcript of it I'd love to see it.
I thought one of the strongest points of the film was the writing.

[GLENN_THE_TOOL]

Yeah one of the best parts of the movie was when he started alliterating V words. The acoustics in the screening room were a bit shitty so I couldn't catch most of what he said. If anyone has like a transcript of it I'd love to see it.
I thought one of the strongest points of the film was the writing.

i think they may have used V's alliteration piece in the graphic novel, so you're likely to find it there. i really need to pick up a copy when i have more petty cash to spend.

[Don West]

I was looking forward to this movie for soooooo long and saw it the first showing Thursday night. I was so disappointed. The government is evil, I get it. Way to waste 2 hours of my time telling me what I could hear on any TV station. Nice pseudo-intellectual attempt to make a statement. The best part was the 45 seconds of action when he was surrounded by the cops that they showed in the trailer

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Thank God he died at the end so we don't have to worry about a sequel.

[abudabit]

I think its just an authors extension of the ills of complacency, which seems very prevalent in American society. I dont think the movie is good because its outs a currupt american government. I couldnt imagine our government is any more or less opressive than it ever was.


I never said it points to a corrupt american government, I said Alan Moore pretty much said it was dedicated to Margaret Thatcher. And my problem isn't with people who see it because it is a good movie, my problem is with people who buy into the story as a resonance of reality. Because the movie has semblence of reality.

And yes, I loved Fight Club. It just didn't have any poliitical relevance. And if you think I am imagining that people buy into this movie, read the user reviews on a lot of other websites. Or better yet, listen to the fucking author. :action-sm

Also I said anyone who admires Fawkes is a stupid mother fucker (Moore again).

[BaBaBouie]

All i gotta say, V for Vendetta was one of the Greatest Movies i have ever seen. I saw it as everything that Revolutions should have been and wasn't, That's the way the Wachowski Brothers should have ended the Matrix Trilogy was with a Matrix that was like V

[7cent]

just got back from it and loved it...good stuff, and that Natalie Portman sure is purty.

[blackout-]

as lazlow mentioned on one of his shows... chicks with shaved heads = teh hotness.

[7cent]

the more I think about this movie the more I like it..

I found this article

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189104,00.html

and this website very interesting after watching that movie...

http://aci.byelarus.com/index.php

I'm a big fight for freedom and democracy guy, so I love the resistance.

[BaBaBouie]

I personally think the End of V for Vendetta is one of the best sequenced endings i've ever seen. And i loved how they perfectly encorporated 1812 Overture with the Explosion of Parliment

[Berserker]

Was anyone else reminded, even the least bit, of Lil' Jimmy Norton during close-ups right after Evey's head was shaved?

[naternot]

I never said it points to a corrupt american government, I said Alan Moore pretty much said it was dedicated to Margaret Thatcher. And my problem isn't with people who see it because it is a good movie, my problem is with people who buy into the story as a resonance of reality. Because the movie has semblence of reality.

And yes, I loved Fight Club. It just didn't have any poliitical relevance. And if you think I am imagining that people buy into this movie, read the user reviews on a lot of other websites. Or better yet, listen to the fucking author. :action-sm

Also I said anyone who admires Fawkes is a stupid mother fucker (Moore again).

He nailed it on the head, it seems that everyone who has posted here so far is able to acknowledge that this has no basis in reality and is just a movie, but there are a lot of people, especially young adults, college students, who truly believe that bush is evil who will buy into this, and that is what makes a movie like this potentially dangerous. Don't get me wrong, they have a right to make it and we have a right to enjoy it. I'm 27 and have spent a lot of time on college campuses, most professors are extreme liberals who have a lot of influence over their students. For those of you who don't think that this movie won't be accepted as an allegory for the bush admin. I think that you are being a bit naive. We have to realize that a lot of people are stupid and won't make the same intellectual distinctions that everyone here has made.

[OddDancer]

This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-Ã -vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Haven't seen it yet. But I plan to. It doesn't have to be good or have a plot. Natalie Portman could sit there and read Robin Quivers' shitty book for an hour and a half and I'd stil be interested.

[westben2002]

fantastic movie

[queeby]

One of the best movies I have EVER seen, I loved it, the fight scenes were brilliant and the plot was great, I can't recommend it any higher.

[BIV]

Just rented this. Quite good, I was surprised.

[SOS]

Horrible movie.

Good production.

[Absolutely]

Haven't seen it yet. But I plan to. It doesn't have to be good or have a plot. Natalie Portman could sit there and read Robin Quivers' shitty book for an hour and a half and I'd stil be interested.

Natalie Portman is so Beautiful, even with the shaved head.
Mmmmm