Sirius and XM in trouble for radio recording capabilities

[Ovaherenow]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000763060654/

Apple isn’t the only company that’s not forking over enough of its revenue to keep the RIAA happy. Sirius and XM are in hot water for their upcoming devices that allow listeners to record and time shift their satellite radio programs, including songs. The Tivo-like capability has music industry executives claiming that such devices (such as the Samsung neXus pictured at right) allow for “permanent ownership of copyrighted material without paying for it.” We’re sure screwed if they find out about all those mix-tapes we made from radio rips back in the 90’s. The recording big wigs are also unhappy about the current licensing fees that are being paid by XM and Sirius, and claim that they’ll be upping them substantially when the original seven year contract runs out. This should be fun to watch, if nothing else.

From what i've read you'll be able to use a computer application like napster to keep recorded songs....that could be a problem but does anyone think that Xm/Sirius hasn't considered this?

[Tommy Ceez]

You can hit a button on the Samsung unit and it will download the song you selected from Napster for a fee....whet the RIAA is pissed about is the 50 hours of content you can record off the Sats. then keep on the unit without paying for.

All the RIAA is thretening is to NOT give XM and SIRIUS the huge discount they gave them on thier first licences (the RIAA wanted to help jumpstart the Sats) and charge them full price.

Could be bad news for both services, but I have to believe the factored the full price of a licence into future financial plans. If they didnt, both companies are run by clowns.

[ChimneyFish]

I am so tired of the fucking scumbag record companies.
That said, I would have to agree that this was in the future financial plans for both companies. I just hope that this, along with Hoo-Hoos' contract, help to bankrupt the stupid doggy company. God, I hate Howie.

[abudabit]

Why are they scumbags? This is how they make thier money. And they have a point.

You like not paying for music. I like not paying for music. That does not translate into them being scumbags.

[ChimneyFish]

Good point, sir, good point.
It's just that they whine and complain, jack the cd prices up, and most artists make jack-shit off of the cd sales.
That said, you are right. I like my free music.

[vice86]

god I hate the RIAA. I wish they all got cancer.

[deadfruitvirus]

Why are they scumbags? This is how they make thier money. And they have a point.

They've been trying to find ways to squeeze blood from rocks for years. They want to keep the dying technology that is music on CDs alive because they're scared that a new technology might replace it and cut into their revenue, but they're too blind to think that maybe new technology could actually help them. The music we record onto our XM units is already of an inferior quality than a CD, and we pay for our XM units and subs, and XM in-turn pays them. I'm not convinced that the RIAA needs more money.

[BruceKellysJunk]

XM pays for the music, music is broadcast from space, you get the myfi. Music's in the myfi, our music.

We are still paying for the music though. Its not like we are listening for free like say... commercial radio. Besides, I dont think this is, or will be, the biggest problem they have with pirated music.

[vice86]

Why are they scumbags? This is how they make thier money. And they have a point.

You like not paying for music. I like not paying for music. That does not translate into them being scumbags.

indeed it does make them scumbags when they finally agree on a price for royalties to pay for services like iTunes and Napster...and then say "its not enough..we want more"....FUCK THE RIAA.

I'm paying XM to listen to music and talk.

[shaunsinger]

Why are they scumbags? This is how they make thier money. And they have a point.

You like not paying for music. I like not paying for music. That does not translate into them being scumbags.


Thats not the point anyone is making, the point thta makes them scumbags is the general 16-20 dollar price for a garbage CD that has usually less than 5 strong songs on a cd that costs less than $.25 to produce. Besides paying $1.99 for a soda at a restaurant CDs have to be the highest markup that people consistently buy. I wish I could download Fresca off the internet.




Shaun

[CrustyJizzRag]

I just want Sirius to fail so bad.
I want to know what the excuse would be.

[al885]

stop putting out shit music and i may buy it

[Idolizer]

Fuckin RIAA and all them fags need to all just die

[kloraferm]

XM pays for the music, music is broadcast from space, you get the myfi. Music's in the myfi, our music.

Fairwell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies....

[Justin]

This is reporting from the NY post. The best and most honest place for journalism in the world. (NOT!)

Remember they said that XM and Sirius were merging?

And the RIAA can eat a dick.

[Brady T cell]

Jesus! Why don't they up the price of tape recorders? I can record all the shit I want for free.

[markrules]

I used to work for an executive jet charter company. The RIAA sent us papers telling us we owed fees because we had DVDs on our jets for passengers to watch.

We had to pay them or risk being sued.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Fuck those greedy cocksmokers, XM shouldn't have to pay for the sins of the doggy (overpaying for Hoo Hoo, NFL, Martha...)

[judoGTI]

All this means is we'll have to listen to more commericals on XM to pay for all this.

[ImSalty]

Doesn't recording a Broadcast have the same rules as re-showing Major League Baseball, burning yourself a mix cd, or copying a DVD, where it's legal to do it as long as it's for your own personal use??

The XM unit and the Sirius debacle both just record for personal use, so what's the problem?

[megagoo]

xm had the "xm-pcr" that they canned about 10 months ago. right around when i was planning on getting one. basically a tuner and computer interface that you plug into the computer and use the software basically like a VCR. set it to record to mp3 etc.. they discontinued the product and a lot of units went up on ebay and sold for 5 times what they were worth (literally). this was because of the software company time trax made software for it that worked better than the included software, but the problem was they publicised it too much and the riaa got wind of this and pressured xm into taking the xm pcr off the market. but time trax as well as other people developed an alternative that works with the xm car tuner and does the same thing. i own one.. but i've noticed the xm tuners now have a yellow logo instead of the grey one. something tells me its a new revision that prohibits devices to interface with computers.

so if you heard they were coming out with a device that does basically what the xmpcr did, that strikes me as strange

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000763060654/



From what i've read you'll be able to use a computer application like napster to keep recorded songs....that could be a problem but does anyone think that Xm/Sirius hasn't considered this?

[Sliverslinger]

This is fuckin stupid!! Do they really think that I'm going to record five hours of shit on my mifi and leave it there forever? I really don't want to listen to the same five hours of shit for eternity. That's why I got fucking XM in the first place; so that I don't hear all of the songs that I like so many times in a day that I can't stand the damn things anymore.

[7cent]

wait, isn't this the same as a tape deck?? Are you recording the music or XM's broadcast..

I think XM will be alright..

[HummerTuesdays]

I think XM will be fine and hopefully negotiate a fair deal. What will fuck it up is if Sirius throws tons of cash at them to shut them up.

[GregFarz78]

wtf would I want to record a 64kbps mp3 for and burn it to CD? You'd get better sound quality from an 8-track

[danny666]

XM and Sirius are paying a lot more in royalties to the evil RIAA than terrestrial radio stations. While radio always had to pay songwriters and music publishers performance royalties from airplay. They didn't have to pay for the sound recordings(record company royalites) rights. But satellite and internet radio stations have to pay that fee. So basically terriestrial radio stations have to pay 3 percent of revenue for royalties. Satellite and internet have to pay twice that because they also have to pay for peformance royalties meaning the record company and singer portion.

You can buy a lot of MP3 players that also have FM radio built in and you can record over the air programming. So I don't see what's the difference between that and the Myfi. Fact is RIAA has a good deal with satellite radio. They should also try to get the same royalty rate from 'tradition' radio stations than trying to go after satellite radio.

[ShesTooOld]

On the record industry.... I work in a recording studio and I've done live engineering work for 13 years now. I see both sides of the industry, the artists that get e-mails from fans saying "I downloaded your entire library, you are awesome" while the guy is struggling to put food on the table and could use the 10 bucks a CD he makes selling them through his site......as well as the labels that stick it to the customer, and the artist while being cheap with the studios. Long and the short, if you like an artist go out of the way to see them live and buy product directly from the artist or their official websites, remember for those who are outside of the mainstream that this is their income.

oh and for the still high prices of CD's after 20 years.....fuck the RIAA......

[sobi]

RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP, are nothing more than a legalized racketeering operation. A friend of mine used to own a club. At this club, for the most part, nothing but techno/house music was played. Nothing but underground dance stuff. ASCAP and BMI threatened suit if yearly fees were not paid. Those fees are supposed to go to artists for protecting their intellectual property. I can more or less guarantee that every peice of wax that was ever played in that club was made by someone just HOPING that their record was getting ANY play. Meanwhile, I know they (EDM artists anyway) never see dime one from them. A different friend who had many records pressed enlisted with their orginizations and never saw a dime from them....meanwhile, he had heard other records where the beats were lifted straight from his record and stolen. Suuuuuuure.....to protect the artists. :icon_roll

[XMScott]

xm had the "xm-pcr" that they canned about 10 months ago. right around when i was planning on getting one. basically a tuner and computer interface that you plug into the computer and use the software basically like a VCR. set it to record to mp3 etc.. they discontinued the product and a lot of units went up on ebay and sold for 5 times what they were worth (literally). this was because of the software company time trax made software for it that worked better than the included software, but the problem was they publicised it too much and the riaa got wind of this and pressured xm into taking the xm pcr off the market. but time trax as well as other people developed an alternative that works with the xm car tuner and does the same thing. i own one.. but i've noticed the xm tuners now have a yellow logo instead of the grey one. something tells me its a new revision that prohibits devices to interface with computers.

so if you heard they were coming out with a device that does basically what the xmpcr did, that strikes me as strange


The software included with the XM PCR did not include anyway to save the audio. You could easly use timetrax or total recorder to grab the audio off your PC.

Could use the same software with a Roady 1 is you wanted.

[jsc315]

I hope the RIAA get AIDS in there eyes.

[busterbros]

I used to work for an executive jet charter company. The RIAA sent us papers telling us we owed fees because we had DVDs on our jets for passengers to watch.

We had to pay them or risk being sued.

Sure you didn't mean MPAA?


And as I understand the law, it's okay to record something to listen to later. But you can't build a permanent library of music or tv shows. So you're entitled to time shifting, but saving the songs for ever is illegal. Although I'm not sure how much the ruling from Sony v. Universal Studios has been departed from recently.

[SBrooks1]

wtf would I want to record a 64kbps mp3 for and burn it to CD? You'd get better sound quality from an 8-track

Exactly. :clap:

[SBrooks1]

I hope the RIAA get AIDS in there eyes.

*car crash* due to the misspelling of the word "their"

[Ovaherenow]

I read an article online (sorry I can't source it) that the RIAA gave "cut rate" deals to both XM and Sirius on the right to broadcast the music in 2001 or so when they started out. RIAA is kinda ticked now because XM/Sirius are playing with recording stuff and they have a contract until 2007 at this lower rate. They implied that if the RIAA didn't give them this cut rate deal, the companies wouldn't have been able to survive at all.

Also, I read in another article that Apple did the same thing where they made billions and pay the RIAA $350 million for the songs....which is why they want to increase the cost per song over $.99..but Apple doesn't want to because it would lead to priacy...

Part of me understands the deal and why the RIAA are ticked, but they have been sucking the public's dollars for YEARS @ $20 a CD when it costs pennies to produce and maybe a dollar or two per CD for promotion and distribution...maybe another dollar to the retailer...if that...so they have been overpriced for so long. I think that's what lead to Napster, online trading to begin with.

The RIAA has all the power in the world when their contract expires for both XM and Sirius if they can't get music...

[Tow Truck Tony]

Jesus! Why don't they up the price of tape recorders? I can record all the shit I want for free.

That's what I was thinknig, I've been recording songs off of the radio for years.
I would pick a station, pop in a tape, record all day long and on weekends I would pick the best songs and put them on a CD...the RIAA never stopped me from doing that, Sat radio recordable receivers just make the job easier for me, AND I PAY FOR SATELLITE RADIO!!!!!