The flight that fought back

[FishinForBabies]

there is a show on the discovery channel right now called The Flight That Fought Back. looks like a good show on what happened on flight 93 that went down in PA.

I gotta get back to watching it. it might be replayed later on tonight if you miss it. i'll get back with a review when it's over.

[Precision]

there is a show on the discovery channel right now called The Flight That Fought Back. looks like a good show on what happened on flight 93 that went down in PA. .

Pure fantasy. How could anybody know what happened on that flight? All that "Let's roll" propaganda is a bunch of bullshit. That plane was shot down.

[Big Dick Mcgee]

I watched it when it first came on great show.Really make you think what a group of people can do if they set there minds to it.

[Arc Lite]

I'm not saying it wasn't shot down... I don't think it was. But they have the black box and cell phone conversations from people on the flight. I know what I and about 90% of the rest of us would have fucking done if I knew what had happened that morning.

LET'S ROLL

[DJBigFatCock]

Well knowing what we know now. We would all fucking go for broke and try to kill all those fuckers BUT, befor sept 11 almost every hijacked flight ended up in hostage negotiation which ment there was always a chance of getting out alive with out risking any fight in the plane while in flight. I didnt see the special yet but thats my 2 cents. ALSO I believe that flight was shot down but imagion what would happen if that info came out in the media. No one would "understand" that thats what had to be done no mater what the government said. even if it was a military plane hijacked with only 5 american soldiers and 20 ahabs on it. people would freak out about the US shooting down a US plane. Sometimes being ignorant of the facts is better for the country.

[KantSpelGi]

This is why we do A.O.T.M. .....They just want to make a buck.

They did what they had to do. GOD take care of them now!

[FishinForBabies]

it is going to replay right now. excellent show.

just watch it. If you cant see it now, you can buy the show on DVD with 100% of the profits going to the flight 93 memorial. www.discovery.com/dvd

with all the phone conversations, the black box recordings and the eyewitness that saw it go down, I doubt it could have been shot down, but it wouldnt suprise me if it was.

[Coffee Diva]

I thought The Flight That Fought Back was about the last time Jim Norton found himself booked on a non-Continental flight ... in coach.

Seriously though, Flight 93 wasn't shot down. The government has no reason to hide a shootdown from the public; it's openly admitted that the order had already been given to shoot down any remining hijacked planes that day, and the public was practically unanimous in agreement that it would have been the right thing to do. So why shoot it down and then cover it up?

[generoso]

How could you watch that when there is a Good Times marathon on....

[abudabit]

Yeah, I agree about there not being reason to hide shooting it down. The terrorists probably were getting beat up and they yelled for the terrorist pilot to just cut thier losses and crash the thing.

[Precision]

When you make a cell phone call, the first thing that happens is your cell phone needs to contact a transponder and complete a digital handshake. If an aircraft is going five hundred miles an hour, your cell phone will not be able to contact a tower, tell the tower who you are and who your provider is, tell the tower what mode it wants to communicate with, and establish that it is in a roaming area, before it passes out of range. It takes 30-45 seconds to do that. Though it is sometimes possible to connect during takeoff and landing, under the situation that was claimed, the calls were impossible. Scientifically and technologically, the cell phone calls of 9-11 were impossible. There were definitely some calls made from airphones, and probably from the WTC planes, which were low enough to connect with a tower for a few minutes before impact. But some of the calls that were reportedly made that day are simply impossible, especially aboard Flight 93.

[abudabit]

How come the only people you ever hear say it is impossible to use a cell phone on a jet are conspiracy theorists? People use cell phones on planes (illegally I might add) all the time.

http://mobileenterprise.typepad.com/weblog/2005/08/is_inflight_cel.html

http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/ci/cmcs/news/viewNews.jsp?newsID=11

[Precision]

http://mobileenterprise.typepad.com/weblog/2005/08/is_inflight_cel.html

http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/ci/cmcs/news/viewNews.jsp?newsID=11

The dates on both those articles were 2005. In September of 2001, it was iimpossible to make a cell phone call from above 4000 feet, and highly unlikely below 4000 feet.

[abudabit]

Reference?

[Precision]

Reference?

”Once you get to a certain height, you are no longer in the range of the cellular network, because cell phone towers aren't built to project their signals that high.”

Washington Post, 12/9/04 (http://tinyurl.com/4bs4v)



“Today's vote by the FCC is intended to address whether technology has improved to the extent that cell phone calls now are possible above 10,000 feet -- they weren't in the past.”

San Francisco Chronicle, 12/15/04 (http://tinyurl.com/bfsvg)

[JonBenetRamsey]

”Once you get to a certain height, you are no longer in the range of the cellular network, because cell phone towers aren't built to project their signals that high.”

Washington Post, 12/9/04 (http://tinyurl.com/4bs4v)



“Today's vote by the FCC is intended to address whether technology has improved to the extent that cell phone calls now are possible above 10,000 feet -- they weren't in the past.”

San Francisco Chronicle, 12/15/04 (http://tinyurl.com/bfsvg)
well, when excactly is the past? 1987?

[Precision]

well, when excactly is the past? 1987?

The articles were published in 2004, so I'm assuming the past would be prior to 2004. Duh.

[Coffee Diva]

”Once you get to a certain height, you are no longer in the range of the cellular network, because cell phone towers aren't built to project their signals that high.”

So, uh, who exactly invented these newfangled cell phone radio waves that know how to go horizontally but not vertically, in violation of those annoying "laws of physics" thingies?

“Today's vote by the FCC is intended to address whether technology has improved to the extent that cell phone calls now are possible above 10,000 feet -- they weren't in the past.”

San Francisco Chronicle, 12/15/04 (http://tinyurl.com/bfsvg)

In all seriousness, don't believe everything you read, especially when it's published in a major newspaper. Very few articles in newspapers are written by people that have even a slight knowledge of the subject they're covering. Today the reporter's writing an article about cell phones, tomorrow they're writing an article about how Howard Stern invented satellite radio.

Nobody's ever claimed that making a cell phone call from a moving airplane was particularly reliable. But just because the signal sucks doesn't mean it's impossible.

[Precision]

Nobody's ever claimed that making a cell phone call from a moving airplane was particularly reliable.

There are reports of thirteen cell phone calls from Flight 93 passengers, (one of which lasted 13 minutes!) , but only zero or one from passengers on any of the other flights. Not bad for being not "particularly reliable", especially since the FAA has stated that the plane never got below 29,000 feet before it's final nose dive. If passengers on Flight 93 were able to complete so many cell phone calls, why were they so rare on the other flights?

[abudabit]

I've not heard that 13 calls were made from one flight yet none from the others. Can you provide a source for this?

Also you seem to be using bad logic. You think because 13 got through that means all got through. I have no idea how you made that jump.

On top of which how did the government get the family members who were called to assist in a cover up? Why would 13 family members all join together in covering up the real cause of thier relatives deaths? Doesn't that seem ludicrous?

And of course you haven't addressed there not being incentive to cover up a shoot down. Public support has always been in favour of one.

So your cute little conspiracy theory holds no water. You have provided not one reason to think it is true. The technological reasoning is bullshit - people make cell calls from flights all the time, and at 500 mph you are crossing 8 miles in a minute - the unobstructed range of a repeater is much larger. The motive isn't there. The difficulty of a cover up with the families is damn near impossible. Nothing you have makes any sense.

[Coffee Diva]

There are reports of thirteen cell phone calls from Flight 93 passengers, (one of which lasted 13 minutes!) , but only zero or one from passengers on any of the other flights.

The "13-minute call" you speak of was the infamous "Let's Roll" call made by Todd Beamer. He was using the GTE Airfone. I think we can all agree those exist and work as claimed.

Interestingly, even the Airfone web site (now part of Verizon) doesn't attempt to claim that regular cell phones won't work in flight:

http://www22.verizon.com/airfone/af_faqs.html#af3

How is it possible to use Airfone in-flight when passengers may not use cellular phones?

The radio frequencies used by cellular phones might interfere with communications and other equipment on planes. The frequency assigned to Airfone is unique, so it does not interfere with the plane's navigation, communications or data processing equipment. Airborne phones use two separate, narrow bandwidths, between 849 and 851 megahertz for air-to-ground communications and between 894 and 896 megahertz for receiving calls.

Not bad for being not "particularly reliable", especially since the FAA has stated that the plane never got below 29,000 feet before it's final nose dive.

Flight 93 was at a low altitude for the last half hour of its existence. That's one slow nose dive.

If passengers on Flight 93 were able to complete so many cell phone calls, why were they so rare on the other flights?

First of all, Flight 93 didn't even take off until one minute after Flight 11 had crashed into the WTC. So it's sort of obvious that the passengers on Flight 93 were going to be somewhat more likely to attempt to make and/or receive cell phone calls than the people on the WTC flights, who were inconveniently dead by the time the news started to break.

But more overarchingly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's not extraordinary for these phone calls to have been made. It is quite extraordinary to claim the calls were all faked as part of a gigantic conspiracy that took place on that day masterminded by [insert name here]. And you're providing nothing that's even close to solid evidence of that.

[Precision]

http://tinypic.com/hvrtz5.jpg

[Van]

Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good sh *RAMONE, SEND THIS THREAD TO MOONACHIE* IT SUCKS BIG DONKEY BALLS.

[Coffee Diva]

Chalk up another win for reality.

[AJellyDonut]

I think some of you need to read the first chapter of The 9/11 Commission Report. :)

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

[Dick Whiskey]

There is one, simple answer to all the "conspiracy theorists" out there. Watergate. The government couldn't cover up a couple of guys breaking into a hotel room three decades ago. With the distribution methods of information today, a government agency couldn't cover up a ham sandwich.

[mascan42]

On a side note, there's a feature film in the works about Flight 93. Paul Greengrass (The Bourne Supremacy) is set to direct.

[Precision]

I wonder who will play the pilot of the F16 that shot down flight 93. How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater? Will the concession stands be selling meaningless magnetic ribbons for the back of our mini-vans?

[Fr. Dougal]

I wonder who will play the pilot of the F16 that shot down flight 93. How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater? Will the concession stands be selling meaningless magnetic ribbons for the back of our mini-vans?


You don't like it? Leave the fucking country.

[jules]

I wonder who will play the pilot of the F16 that shot down flight 93. How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater? Will the concession stands be selling meaningless magnetic ribbons for the back of our mini-vans?
oh thats right you are conspiracy guy.are you retarded?whats your point stupid? you want everyone to think that there is no way that these people fought back? and it HAS to be that they were shot down? and now we will beat the fuckin arabs? SHUT UP STUPID

[whoisisthis]

How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater?


93

[Coffee Diva]

How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater?

Probably the same number as the number of Jews that were beaten up by people walking out of the theater after "The Passion of the Christ" last year, as you hippie types were predicting then: zero.

Will the concession stands be selling meaningless magnetic ribbons for the back of our mini-vans?

Actually, mine's a Hummer H1 with a sticker that reads "Retroactively Abort 'Em If They Turn Out Autistic." And I removed the catalytic converter so it'll spew more pollution. Fucker's so big I have to park in two handicapped spots when I head over to Wal-Mart. I do most of my shopping there, since I can buy all my unnecessary extraneous stuff from them at a huge discount, thanks to that solid Chinese manufacturing and the low wages they pay to those 80-year-old door greeters that are having to pull eight-hour shifts right up to the day they fall over dead, because they were stupid enough to believe in pensions back in the day. Suckers.

Ramon, buy that soldier a free Slurpee, on me. :action-sm

[Irishcurse]

How many Arabs will be beaten by patriotic "Let's Roll" types as they walk out of the theater?

You make that sound like a bad thing...

[Arc Lite]

You don't like it? Leave the fucking country.

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