Pennsylvania Sept. 11 Memorial Redesigned

[TheArtist]

PITTSBURGH - Designers of a Flight 93 memorial have made a bowl-shaped piece of land its centerpiece, replacing a crescent-shape design that some critics had said was a symbol honoring terrorists, officials announced Wednesday.

The new design for the memorial, to be built on the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, crash near Shanksville, features most of the details of the original, which victims' relatives helped select after a worldwide design competition.

But a round, bowl-shaped area would replace a "Crescent of Embrace," a crescent-shaped cluster of maple trees.

After the original design was unveiled in September, Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., criticized it in a letter to the National Park Service director, saying many questioned the shape "because of the crescent's prominent use as a symbol in Islam — and the fact that the hijackers were radical Islamists."

Paul Murdoch, president of Paul Murdoch Architects, which designed the memorial, had called the criticism of the crescent an "unfortunate diversion," but said they were sensitive to the concerns.

In both old and new versions of the design, a tower with 40 wind chimes would welcome visitors to the site, where they could then walk to a large circular field ringed by 40 groves of red and sugar maple trees, symbolizing the 40 passengers and crew who died. There will also be pedestrian trails, a plaza from which to view the crash site, and a white marble wall with the victims' names inscribed.

Gordon Felt, of Remsen, N.Y., whose brother, Edward Felt, died in the crash, said he didn't believe the original design honored the hijackers but is nonetheless pleased with the changes.

"My concern is that we have a memorial that honors my brother and the 39 other brave Americans that were on Flight 93 in a respectful way that not only respects their lives but respects the topography of the land," Felt said Wednesday.

In the Flight 93 National Memorial's newsletter, Murdoch described the new design as an "evolution" of what was announced two months ago, reflecting input from the public, the competition's jury and others.

The circle enhances the earlier design by putting more emphasis on the crash site, officials said in the newsletter. A break in the trees will symbolize the path the plane took as it crashed.

Flight 93 was flying to San Francisco from Newark, N.J., when it became the last of four planes hijacked that day and the only one not to kill anyone on the ground. The official 9/11 Commission report said the hijackers crashed it as passengers, aware of the previous hijackings, tried to take control of the cockpit. The crash site is about 65 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

The original design was selected by a jury of 15 made up of design professionals and family and community members and was narrowed down from a pool of 1,011. A projected date for the opening has not been set.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_re_us/flight93_memorial

[Mommadeez4u]

I participated in that design competition-- the design they chose is horrendous, in my opinion.

[Precision]

Has anyone ever explained how it happened that body parts were found 8 miles away from the scene of this supposed "crash"?

[Coffee Diva]

Take a 757 and fly it at speeds beyond its design capacity about 100 feet off the ground. You'll figure it out.

[TheArtist]

http://www.flight93crash.com/

[JonBenetRamsey]

i say just put up a giant fly swatter.

[Multiple Miggs]

Has anyone ever explained how it happened that body parts were found 8 miles away from the scene of this supposed "crash"?
Four years later and people are still spouting this conspiracy theory garbage. Adjust your tin foil hat and post that crap somewhere else.

CLAIM: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down."

FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

[Precision]

] Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake.

In an interview here (http://www.devvy.com/flight_93_part_3.html) this same county coroner says that "only 8% of the human remains have ever been recovered", and admits that he never filed a single report as the coroner of record. He denies making any reports to his client, the FBI.

Miller was acting in his official capacity as the county coroner and he didn't file one single report after doing months of work at that crash site? No photos? Nothing but some documentation on DNA testing? I'm afraid I don't believe this for a second.


The guy is obviously either incompetent or hiding something.

[Irishcurse]

The flight instructors who trained these so called terrorists have said they could barely fly a Cessna (Link). Your describing a pretty good pilot. Were these guys the Top Guns of the Islam world?



As a pilot I can tell you that taking a plane from 29000' to impact to the ground doesnt take a skilled pilot. Flying a plane is easy, landing is where you need skill. If the 757 was at max speed (approx 400kts) and it hits the ground loaded with fuel, you wont find many body parts. The force would send small objects long distances. As for crash debris floating in a lake miles away.... Think of where pieces of paper and other debris was found from the world trade center.........

[Harvey_Birdman]

Has anyone ever explained how it happened that body parts were found 8 miles away from the scene of this supposed "crash"?

Oh sure, the Mod deletes my moderately offensive post questioning the necessity of having such a memorial in the middle of rural western PA, but allows this asshole's post to remain? Nice job.

I still think such a memorial is a waste of money and designed not to actually honour or memorialize the victims of 9-11 but to create another PA boondoggle expenditure and tourist trap.

[Milwuakee Cop]

Has anyone seen the National Geographic Doc. Called 9/11 Zero Hour? They show the clips of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

[Precision]

Has anyone seen the National Geographic Doc. Called 9/11 Zero Hour? They show the clips of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

Looked like a missile to me.

[Dick Whiskey]

Looked like a missile to me.
Because you want it to look like a missile.Get your eye's examined, mister.

[Precision]

Because you want it to look like a missile.

http://tinypic.com/i35tzm.jpg

Only 5 frames from a video surveillance camera were released. Why didn't they release the in-between frames? How many other Pentagon cameras captured the attack? Why is the timestamp on the images incorrect?
http://tinypic.com/i35v08.jpg

[Irishcurse]

Did you get those photo's directly from the pentagon? No. You probably got them off some conspiracy website.

[KillGreys]

I don't know but I have seem missle and I have seem plane crashes (I was in the army for almost 9 years and fired anti tank missiles many times) and those picture do look alot like a missile impact rather than an airplane impact. But what do I know....

[Wally1985]

didnt people see the plane hit the pentagon? i'm pretty sure i heard about that that day. the it was flying so low it knocking down light poles

[whoisisthis]

http://tinypic.com/i35tzm.jpg

Only 5 frames from a video surveillance camera were released. Why didn't they release the in-between frames? How many other Pentagon cameras captured the attack? Why is the timestamp on the images incorrect?
http://tinypic.com/i35v08.jpg


was there in-between frames?

[Dick Whiskey]

http://tinypic.com/i35tzm.jpg

Only 5 frames from a video surveillance camera were released. Why didn't they release the in-between frames? How many other Pentagon cameras captured the attack? Why is the timestamp on the images incorrect?
http://tinypic.com/i35v08.jpg
Look, pal. I know a person who actually SAW THE FUCKING PLANE hit the pentagon.He was driving on Rt. 110 on that side of the Pentagon. He felt the blast of the explosion, and he's fucked up in the head because of this shit. There were numerous EYE-WITNESS accounts. Move here, find these people, and tell them they're full of shit because you saw a picture on a website.

[Dick Whiskey]

was there in-between frames?
No, there aren't any "in-between frames". It's a time-lapse security camera. Before 9/11 there wasn't a need to capture anything moving at that rate of speed. It was more for capturing slow-moving vehicles and people than aircraft. Who knew???

[Coffee Diva]

Why is the timestamp on the images incorrect?
For the same reason your VCR has been blinking "12:00, 12:00, 12:00" for the last fifteen years: Either nobody gave a shit about the time stamp or were too stupid to figure out how to set it.

If anything, the incorrect time stamp is increased proof of the photos' legitimacy; if the Pentagon was really intent on putting out fake photos of the attack, wouldn't they at least have had their Photoshop goon put the right date and time on them? Or do you think there was actually a giant explosion in the exact same spot a day and a half later that nobody even noticed until these pictures were developed?

[mascan42]

http://tinypic.com/i35tzm.jpg

Only 5 frames from a video surveillance camera were released. Why didn't they release the in-between frames? How many other Pentagon cameras captured the attack? Why is the timestamp on the images incorrect?
http://tinypic.com/i35v08.jpg
My God, you're right. I think you should personally tell the families of the people on the plane that their loved ones aren't actually dead, they've been kidnapped by aliens that are conspiring with GWB. Get AIDS and die douchebag.

[Precision]

Either nobody gave a shit about the time stamp or were too stupid to figure out how to set it.

This building houses some of the greatest minds our military has to offer. You calling them stupid might not be appreciated in our post 9/11 patriotic society.

[Dick Whiskey]

This building houses some of the greatest minds our military has to offer. You calling them stupid might not be appreciated in our post 9/11 patriotic society.
GRIBWWMJ

Go
Roll
In
Barbed
Wire
With
Magic
Johnson

[whoisisthis]

No, there aren't any "in-between frames".

I wanna hear precision say it.


I wanna know how you can just throw this shit out there, with no real evidence. I'll be waiting.

[Dick Whiskey]

I wanna hear precision say it.


I wanna know how you can just throw this shit out there, with no real evidence. I'll be waiting.
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/art017.html

Download the pdf file and look on page 13.


Does that answer your fucking question?

[whoisisthis]

no need to get sassy with me, pal



I believe you. I was talking about these conspiricists constantly throwing this shit out like it's fact. I don't understand why he'd post that claim without evidence.

[THE FEZ MAN]

the time stamp on the film represents zulu time or what was once GMT

[Dick Whiskey]

no need to get sassy with me, pal



I believe you. I was talking about these conspiricists constantly throwing this shit out like it's fact. I don't understand why he'd post that claim without evidence.
It's simple, he has no evidence. I serve up a big plate of facts, but I guess he'd rather starve. And, I wasn't getting sassy. It's just that, sometimes, I just... I... I get skirred.:action-sm

[TheArtist]

Heres the bottom line

2 Planes hit the World Trade Center
1 Plane hit the Pentagon
1 Plane hit a field in Penn.

They all deserve memorials

Never Forget 9/11

God Bless America

[Dick Whiskey]

The really fucked-up thing is, people like Precision will have to see another 9/11 in their own backyard before they will do anything about it. Then, all they will do is blame their backyard. It's amazing how they'll come in here spouting their half-informed jibberish, and when they're called on it, they hide like Jimmy under a porch when it starts raining, waiting for a young boy to fellate.

[Multiple Miggs]

This building houses some of the greatest minds our military has to offer. You calling them stupid might not be appreciated in our post 9/11 patriotic society.
Precision = Carvin
Carvin = Banned

I miss seeing your cool avatar of you holding your guitar! Thanks for stopping by again, lil fella! :action-sm

[Van]

Young country stops whining, soon.

Enjoy the rest, understand?

By a lonely prison wall,
I heard a young girl call:
"Michael, they have taken you away,
For you stole Trevelyn's corn,
So the young might see the morn.
Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay."
Refrain:
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely round the fields of Athenry.

By a lonely prison wall,
I heard a young man call
"Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free
Against the famine and the crown,
I rebelled, they cut me down.
Now you must raise our child with dignity."
Refrain:

By a lonely harbor wall,
She watched the last star fall
As the prison ship sailed out against the sky
For she lived to hope and pray
For her love in Botany Bay
It's so lonely round the fields of Athenry.

[Multiple Miggs]

Young country stops whining, soon.

Enjoy the rest, understand?
Douche bag HappinessIs banned, soon.

Enjoy him gone, understand? :devil:

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