Global Warming Causing Colder Temps...wait...wha?

[patbattlefield]

Shouldn't it be called global cooling then? lol i understand the science it's just amusing. btw, i don't think we are causing this it is more likely part of a natural cycle. the earth always balances itself out, we'll never beat nature.

Alarm over dramatic weakening of Gulf Stream

· Slowing of current by a third in 12 years could bring more extreme weather
· Temperatures in Britain likely to drop by one degree in next decade

Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday December 1, 2005
The Guardian

The powerful ocean current that bathes Britain and northern Europe in warm waters from the tropics has weakened dramatically in recent years, a consequence of global warming that could trigger more severe winters and cooler summers across the region, scientists warn today.

Researchers on a scientific expedition in the Atlantic Ocean measured the strength of the current between Africa and the east coast of America and found that the circulation has slowed by 30% since a previous expedition 12 years ago.

The current, which drives the Gulf Stream, delivers the equivalent of 1m power stations-worth of energy to northern Europe, propping up temperatures by 10C in some regions. The researchers found that the circulation has weakened by 6m tonnes of water a second. Previous expeditions to check the current flow in 1957, 1981 and 1992 found only minor changes in its strength, although a slowing was picked up in a further expedition in 1998. The decline prompted the scientists to set up a £4.8m network of moored instruments in the Atlantic to monitor changes in the current continuously.

The network should also answer the pressing question of whether the significant weakening of the current is a short-term variation, or part of a more devastating long-term slowing of the flow.

If the current remains as weak as it is, temperatures in Britain are likely to drop by an average of 1C in the next decade, according to Harry Bryden at the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton who led the study. "Models show that if it shuts down completely, 20 years later, the temperature is 4C to 6C degrees cooler over the UK and north-western Europe," Dr Bryden said.

Although climate records suggest that the current has ground to a halt in the distant past, the prospect of it shutting down entirely within the century are extremely low, according to climate modellers.

The current is essentially a huge oceanic conveyor belt that transports heat from equatorial regions towards the Arctic circle. Warm surface water coming up from the tropics gives off heat as it moves north until eventually, it cools so much in northern waters that it sinks and circulates back to the south. There it warms again, rises and heads back north. The constant sinking in the north and rising in the south drives the conveyor.

Global warming weakens the circulation because increased meltwater from Greenland and the Arctic icesheets along with greater river run-off from Russia pour into the northern Atlantic and make it less saline which in turn makes it harder for the cooler water to sink, in effect slowing down the engine that drives the current.

The researchers measured the strength of the current at a latitude of 25 degrees N and found that the volume of cold, deep water returning south had dropped by 30%. At the same time, they measured a 30% increase in the amount of surface water peeling off early from the main northward current, suggesting far less was continuing up to Britain and the rest of Europe. The report appears in the journal Nature today.

Disruption of the conveyor-belt current was the basis of the film The Day After Tomorrow, which depicted a world thrown into chaos by a sudden and dramatic drop in temperatures. That scenario was dismissed by researchers as fantasy, because climate models suggest that the current is unlikely to slow so suddenly.

Marec Srokosz of the National Oceanographic Centre said: "The most realistic part of the film is where the climatologists are talking to the politicians and the politicians are saying 'we can't do anything about it'."

Chris West, director of the UK climate impacts programme at Oxford University's centre for the environment, said: "The only way computer models have managed to simulate an entire shutdown of the current is to magic into existence millions of tonnes of fresh water and dump it in the Atlantic. It's not clear where that water could ever come from, even taking into account increased Greenland melting."

Uncertainties in climate change models mean that the overall impact on Britain of a slowing down in the current are hard to pin down. "We know that if the current slows down, it will lead to a drop in temperatures in Britain and northern Europe of a few degrees, but the effect isn't even over the seasons. Most of the cooling would be in the winter, so the biggest impact would be much colder winters," said Tim Osborn, of the University of East Anglia climatic research unit.

The final impact of any cooling effect will depend on whether it outweighs the global warming that, paradoxically, is driving it. According to climate modellers, the drop in temperature caused by a slowing of the Atlantic current will, in the long term, be swamped by a more general warming of the atmosphere.

"If this was happening in the absence of generally increasing temperatures, I would be concerned," said Dr Smith. Any cooling driven by a weakening of the Atlantic current would probably only slow warming rather than cancel it out all together. Even if a slowdown in the current put the brakes on warming over Britain and parts of Europe, the impact would be felt more extremely elsewhere, he said.

[Coffee Diva]

"The Cooling World" - Newsweek, April 28, 1975 (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential2/april_28__1975_newsweek___the_cooling_world___by_p eter_gwynne.guest.html)

[Harvey_Birdman]

I've never really been very convinced of global climate change based on human activities. I'd never rule it out, but it's a very political situation and our samples never seem to be based on a long enough time period to determine if it's really a trend or just cycle.

But what do I know? I work for drunks and pedophiles.

[Mindriot]

There is a Book by Michael Crichton called State of Fear. It will probably be a movie sooner or later, but either way it's a great read.

It's a story about how Radical Scientists actually use Scientific equipment to cause Global Warming signs ( actual catastrophes :Tsunami's, Hurricanes,earthquakes, IceBergs, etc..) in order to gain political leverage and gain public opinion via scare tactics. He also takes pot shots at Hollywood activists in the book who are always at the forefront of the Global Warming Fear Tactics used to this day.

Crichton does superb research for his books. While the Book is fiction, it's always based on Real studies and they are backed up thoroughly. Throughout the book he throws in web site links and University studies that have been published that actually support his overall point about Global Warming and the fact that sometimes only the bad facts are released or agreed with, because if it isn't, Funding and Political leverage is lost.

I'm a little skeptical of global Warming myself. I also believe the Earth takes care of itself. And if it wants to blow, it will. We aren't hurrying up the process to the degree some of these scientists would like us to believe.
Anyway Check it out. It really gets you thinking about the always political issue of Global Warming.

[Papagolash]

It's not called global cooling because the average temperature of air is increasing, therefor it's global warming. We're causing global warming IE creating a much faster rise in temperature than would happen in earths time before man. By heating up the atmosphere quicker, more ice sheets melt and the fresh water kills off the ocean currents. Cutting off ocean currents then creates the beginning cycle of an ice age as warmer waters are no longer keeping northern lands warm. So more snow begins falling, and more snow means more sunlight reflected back into space, which means global cooling, which means ice age.


Natural global warming causes ice ages and that's what is happening, we're just speeding up the process by a few thousand years.

[Mother Shucker]

we're just speeding up the process by a few thousand years.

Yeah, go us. The earth ALWAYS wins in the end.

[frankjg]

We're causing global warming IE creating a much faster rise in temperature than would happen in earths time before man.

How do we know what the climate was doing before we kept records? and that is only going back 500-600 years, maybe less (estimate). Did man cause the last Ice age? Or the mini Ice age that happened in Northern Europe in the 1700's? I doubt it.

My point is that our records represent a mere drop of piss in the ocean of time, there is no way we can take our last couple hunderd years worth of data and make an inference on climate change that has been hapening for billions of years on a planet that is billions of years old.

For all we know we may still be warming up from the last ice age and the earth is returning to its equilbrium, there is no way for me to prove it just like there is no possible way to prove that man is causing global warming (or even that there is such a thing.)

[Harvey_Birdman]

It totally doesn't matter anyway; the whole universe will either collapse in on itself destroying us all or entropy will reduce everything to a cold dark husk of nothingness. What possible difference could a few degrees change in temperature on this pitiful shithole have on that scale?

[frankjg]

It totally doesn't matter anyway; the whole universe will either collapse in on itself destroying us all or entropy will reduce everything to a cold dark husk of nothingness. What possible difference could a few degrees change in temperature on this pitiful shithole have on that scale?

Well put. I'm going to kick the stool out from underneath me now, take care

[Tommy Ceez]

Its been very warm in NY this winter, so I guess that proves that Global Warming is NOT happening...wait...if it cools its global warming, yet if it warms its global warming?

Assholes

[Papagolash]

Its been very warm in NY this winter, so I guess that proves that Global Warming is NOT happening...wait...if it cools its global warming, yet if it warms its global warming?

Assholes


What part of what I explain did not make sense to you? When the atmosphere is warming it is global warming, when it is cooling it's global cooling. Global warming is referring to the ATMOSPHERE, not the ocean.

[Papagolash]

How do we know what the climate was doing before we kept records? and that is only going back 500-600 years, maybe less (estimate). Did man cause the last Ice age? Or the mini Ice age that happened in Northern Europe in the 1700's? I doubt it.

My point is that our records represent a mere drop of piss in the ocean of time, there is no way we can take our last couple hunderd years worth of data and make an inference on climate change that has been hapening for billions of years on a planet that is billions of years old.

For all we know we may still be warming up from the last ice age and the earth is returning to its equilbrium, there is no way for me to prove it just like there is no possible way to prove that man is causing global warming (or even that there is such a thing.)


Actually the newest ice core drillings go back 740,000, and shows 8 ice ages in it. With the pattern of the latest ice ages we should be hitting one in 15,000, but who cares cause we'll be long dead. The thing that's different though is that in that 740,000 years the CO2 levels have never been nearly as high as they are right now, and temperatures are increasing faster then ever previously recorded. That's why people are bugging out about man made global warming (which when you get down to it, is just speeding up the natural process of global warming)

[tar_baby]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/07/D8EBJ3LOH.html

Record Low Temperatures in Parts of U.S.
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By CATHERINE TSAI
Associated Press Writer
Dec 07 2:02 PM US/Eastern

DENVER - Bitterly cold air poured southward across the nation's midsection Wednesday, dropping temperatures to record lows from Montana to Illinois. The mercury dived to a record 45 below at West Yellowstone, Mont., the frequently cold spot at the west entrance to Yellowstone National Park, the National Weather Service said. The old record for Dec. 7 was 39 below, set in 1927.


The cold even extended south to the Texas Panhandle, where Lubbock shivered at a record low 6 above zero, the weather service said.

The body of a homeless man was found huddled next to a fence in Denver, where the temperature hit 11 below Wednesday, and authorities were trying to determine if he froze to death. He apparently had shed his jacket in a phenomenon called "paradoxical undressing," where victims of hypothermia become disoriented and hallucinate, deputy coroner Amy Martin said.

The Denver Rescue Mission opened all available space for the homeless.

The coldest spot in Colorado early Wednesday was Hohnholz Ranch, 50 miles northwest of Fort Collins, which bottomed out at 37 below zero, the weather service said.

In Gunnison, Alec Solimeo tended bar at the Timbers Sports Bar & Grill wearing a couple layers of clothing Tuesday as a faulty heater let the inside temperature drop to 42 degrees. The outside temperature fell to 12 below early Wednesday, the weather service said.

"I'm keeping these travelers happy," Solimeo said, adding that his regular customers apparently stayed home. "They're playing pool, drinking some Irish coffee and doing some singing."

Temperatures read like baseball scores in northeastern New Mexico _ zero at Las Vegas and 1 at Raton. "I'm sitting here in my office and it's freezing and we've got the heat on full blast," said Bill Cox, owner of the Hillcrest Restaurant in Las Vegas.

The cold follows a blizzard that blasted much of the Plains on Nov. 27-28, shutting down hundreds of miles of major highways across a half-dozen states and piling up snowdrifts 8 feet high in South Dakota.

Just two of the 157 South Dakota towns that had power problems after that storm snapped power lines were still without electricity Wednesday, but more than 3,600 rural customers were still blacked out, said Tom Dravland, state public safety secretary. Lows across the eastern part of the state dipped to as much as 20 below.

A winter storm warning was issued Wednesday in and around the Dallas- Fort Worth area, where the temperature fell from the low 40s before sunrise to the upper 20s by the end of the morning rush hour. Freezing rain and sleet fell Wednesday and up to 2 inches of snow was predicted by Thursday morning.

Elsewhere Wednesday, the weather service said record lows for the date included 28 below zero at Drummond, Mont., where the date's previous record was 21 below in 1971; 26 below at Seeley Lake, Mont.; 25 below at Laramie, Wyo., tying a 1978 reading; 17 below at Alliance, Neb.; 19 below at Cedar Rapids, Iowa; and 3 below at Lincoln, Ill.

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Associated Press writers Roger Petterson in New York and Joe Kafka in Pierre, S.D., contributed to this report.

[tar_baby]

its that time of year again.....

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2006/11/28/2530545-sun.html

Cold set to snap city record

UPDATED: 2006-11-28 03:57:59 MST

Environment Canada says such low temperatures unusual for this time of year

By TARINA WHITE, CALGARY SUN

Dave Koiter bundles up to take on the task of wiping off his windshield yesterday as more snow fell on Calgary. Strong winds combined with blowing snow and frigid temperatures to create treacherous driving conditions throughout the city. (Stuart Dryden/Calgary sun)

The arctic deep freeze trapping Calgary is on track to break a 110-year-old weather record today, but the bitter cold is expected to ease in the coming days.

With a forecast low of -31C today, Calgary could break the -27C record set on this day in 1896.

But factoring in the wind chill, it will feel even colder to people who have to brave the elements, said Environment Canada meteorologist Ross Macdonald.

"I wouldn't break out the shorts and go sunbathing right now," he joked.

"Bundle up."

The recent frigid weather is a far cry from the city's average late-November temperatures.

Macdonald said the normal daytime high at this time of year is 0C, with a low of -11C.

"The last time it was really this cold in November was about 10 years ago," he said.

"We've hit rock bottom."

It's even been too frosty to ski, with Canada Olympic Park shutting the hill yesterday in the name of safety.

Spokesman Chris Dornan said, to his knowledge, it's the first year the weather has forced a November closure.

"It's normally in January or February," he said.

Meanwhile, blowing snow likely contributed to a crash near Sylvan Lake yesterday that claimed the life of a 42-year-old motorist.

And the icy snap has the Calgary Humane Society scrambling to respond to an avalanche of calls from residents concerned about distressed animals, said spokeswoman Cheryl Wallach.

"The Calgary Humane Society is calling on all Calgary pet owners to use common sense and not leave animals outside without adequate shelter," she said.

The frigid weather is expected to improve by Thursday, with a predicted high of -7C.

[kloraferm]

All the more reason we should all be driving these :rolleyes:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3697/jetsonscarhybridub5.jpg

[Three Hole Puncher]

Global warming is caused by the jews.

[tar_baby]

Global warming is caused by the jews.

http://cdn-78.cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users12/steve/default/msg-115460863763.jpg

[abudabit]

It's the day after tomorrow, we're all fucked!

[tar_baby]

It's the day after tomorrow, we're all fucked!


http://martincountydemocrats.org/images/portraits/al_gore.jpg

ok ill stop relating posts to pictures

[Arc Lite]

I like what Mindriot said.

[todaysturd]

Global warming is caused by the jews.



probably, but hey, I don't mind a 70 degree day in January.

I heard that the temp went up like a 1/2 degree in 100 years or some shit like that.

Once I am gone, I won't know what is going on so I don't give a fuck.

I doubt the temp will change 8 feet under ground, by the time it does, the worms would have eaten me up and shit me out 1,000 times over.

[Cunt Smasher]

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=46635&highlight=Gore: :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse

Although I, for one,made some extra more gooder posts in this thread.

[tar_baby]

http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=266711

EPW FACT OF THE DAY: FRIDAY, DECEMBER 08, 2006

Contact: Marc Morano (Marc_Morano@epw.senate.gov ), Matt Dempsey (Matthew_Dempsey@epw.senate.gov )

Washington D.C. - Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), the outgoing Chairman of Environment & Public Works Committee, is pleased to announce the public release of the Senate Committee published booklet entitled “A Skeptic’s Guide to Debunking Global Warming Alarmism. Hot & Cold Media Spin Cycle: A Challenge To Journalists who Cover Global Warming.”

Click here to download the "Skeptic's Guide" (http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6341044%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pdf)]

The color glossy 64 page booklet -- previously was only available in hardcopy to the media and policy makers -- includes speeches, graphs, press releases and scientific articles refuting catastrophe climate fears presented by the media, the United Nations, Hollywood and former Vice President turned-foreign-lobbyist Al Gore.

The “Skeptic’s Guide” includes a copy of Senator Inhofe’s 50 minute Senate floor speech http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759 delivered on September 25, 2006 challenging the media to improve its reporting.

The ‘Skeptic’s Guide’, which has received recognition by the LA Times and Congressional Quarterly, is now available free for international distribution on the Senate Environmental & Public Works Web site (http://epw.senate.gov/w_papers.cfm?party=rep)]

The book, which features web links to all supporting documentation, also serves as a handbook to identify the major players in media bias when it comes to poor climate science reporting. The guide presents a reporter’s virtual who’s-who’s of embarrassing and one-sided media coverage, with a focus on such reporters as CBS News “60 Minutes” Scott Pelley, ABC News reporter Bill Blakemore, CNN’s Miles O’Brien, and former NBC Newsman Tom Brokaw.

Senator Inhofe’s “Skeptic’s Guide” also includes hard hitting critiques of the New York Times, Time Magazine, Newsweek, Associated Press, Reuters, the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the Washington Post.

Senator Inhofe has challenged the media in a series of speeches and hearings to stop the unfounded hype.

“The American people are fed up with media for promoting the idea that former Vice President Al Gore represents the scientific “consensus” that SUV’s and the modern American way of life have somehow created a 'climate emergency' that only United Nations bureaucrats and wealthy Hollywood liberals can solve,” Senator Inhofe said in October.

Skepticism that human C02 emissions are creating a “climate catastrophe” has grown in recent times. In September, renowned French geophysicists and Socialist Party member Claude Allegre, converted from a believer in manmade catastrophic global warming to a climate skeptic. This latest defector from the global warming camp caps a year in which numerous scientific studies have bolstered the claims of climate skeptics.

Scientific studies that debunk the dire predictions of human-caused global warming have continued to accumulate and many believe the new science is shattering the media-promoted scientific “consensus” on climate alarmism. See: (http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=264777)

[Cunt Smasher]

Good point,and I agree with you,but I give up on trying to convince anyone of the truth.Especially when you only have facts on your side,not emotion and rhetoric.

[PCLoadLetter]

Skepticism that human C02 emissions are creating a “climate catastrophe” has grown in recent times. In September, renowned French geophysicists and Socialist Party member Claude Allegre, converted from a believer in manmade catastrophic global warming to a climate skeptic. This latest defector from the global warming camp caps a year in which numerous scientific studies have bolstered the claims of climate skeptics.

Scientific studies that debunk the dire predictions of human-caused global warming have continued to accumulate and many believe the new science is shattering the media-promoted scientific “consensus” on climate alarmism.
But of course any "scientist" who disagrees with The Borg (the climate scientists who believe that Man, errrr, AMERICANS are responsible for global warming) will be viewed as a quack. Which he may be... But then again, he may NOT be.

The part I love best about the global warming alarmists' angle is that unusually warm temperatures are the fault of man's activities on Earth... And so are unusually COLD temperatures. No matter what kind of local climate weirdness you may be experiencing, it's all because of global warming. So there.

[wes mantooth]

renowned French geophysicists and Socialist Party member Claude Allegre, converted from a believer in manmade catastrophic global warming to a climate skeptic.

I agree with Claude Allegre.

[nikoloslvy]

sry i gotta run an check out patrice.
ill read the posts latter.
im a filthy littel whore.my mouthand ass are fuckholes.

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=56436

[nikoloslvy]

my post wasnt ment to be a thread killer.
i thought it was related because the other thread spoke of the global warming wackoos and what they were up to.

[tar_baby]

Livestock Worse Than Humanity?

A report by the United Nations' Food and Agricultural Organization says cattle and other livestock cause more greenhouse gases than cars, planes, and all other forms of transportation put together. Britain's Independent News says the report blames cow flatulence and manure for one-third of all methane emissions — which warm the earth 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

The world's 1.5 billion cows are also blamed for everything from acid rain to desertification and the destruction of coral reefs. And while cows are taking the heat in one U.N. report, another says humans are doing less harm to the environment than previously thought. The Sunday Telegraph says the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has reduced its estimate of human affect on global warming by 25 percent. And it has lowered its prediction of how much sea levels will rise by half. The Panel cites improved data for the revisions.

[abudabit]

That's why we have to become vegetarians.

[Hudson]

I had a prof in college who spouted all that cow flatulence nonesense...My question was..weren't there more plant eating, methane farting animals before man rose?...
He said yes and said that it was the downfall of the Dinosaurs...He flew off the handle after I questioned his facts with those of my Geological Professor who showed that there was a global event that caused a killing off of the life forms on the planet. (ie: a meteor) He actually said that the hole in the Ozone caused by the dinosaurs allowed the meteor to hit the earth...