Manny for Tejada...could the Orioles really be that stupid?

[Kyle]

If this trade actually happens, it will cement my belief that the Orioles are the worst organization in professional sports (sans the Atlanta Hawks). In one year, they've already become #2 in the Baltimore-Washington area, and now the fact that they're even entertaining the idea of trading their best player, and the best SS in baseball for a glorified DH speaks volumes.

[TheArtist]

No

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2255388

The Red Sox, currently without a shortstop, are one of those teams and they have reportedly offered All-Star outfielder Manny Ramirez. Ramirez is also clamoring for a change in scenery, but one Orioles official said a trade of Tejada for Ramirez was, "… not going to happen."


Look for him to land in Chicago

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157958

[rahrah]

well, that ^ and the Os arent one of ManRam's acceptable trade teams - as of today anyway.

As a Yankee fan, definatly wouldnt wanna see it happen

[Rotgut68]

and now the fact that they're even entertaining the idea of trading their best player, and the best SS in baseball for a glorified DH speaks volumes.


When were the Yankees thinking of trading Jeter?:action-sm

[FreeTheCricket]

NOT gonna happen. Never.

[Kyle]

When were the Yankees thinking of trading Jeter?:action-sm

They should...with him being so overrated and all. Everyone outside of the Bronx realizes Tejada a better total package as a SS than Jeter.

[SPeeDy]

Yes, they are that stupid.

Signing Albert Belle
Not Re-Signint Mussina
Signing Javy Lopez
Signing Roberto Hernandez

[ADD Theater]

Manny's a 10/5 player and can veto any trade, IIRC.

Two players want out - it makes sense to move them if they really don't want to play there. It's a drain on the clubhouse.

[LifeHacker]

Does it really matter? The Mets are going to win the World Series anyways. So take your little Manny/Tejada drama to the little Cal league.

[Kyle]

Does it really matter? The Mets are going to win the World Series anyways. So take your little Manny/Tejada drama to the little Cal league.

When they finish 4th in the division (not even the Mets could collapse past the Marlins this year) and Pedro and Wagner's arms fall off, I will LAFF, and LAFF, and LAFF...I'm sure a ton of fucking Mets fans will come down to Citizens Bank Park this year because all of a sudden they all have team pride. It's a shame they'll be coming all that way just to get their faces smashed.

[dweezler]

Tejada is goin to the CUBBIES!

[TheBattleVirus]

Manny for Tejada will not happen. No way the Red Sox will trade Manny to another team in the AL East.

[Buddahman7]

Tejada denies previous trade demand

BALTIMORE -- Miguel Tejada backpedaled on Sunday, telling Comcast SportsNet that he didn't ask for a trade but simply wanted to see the Orioles make more of an effort to improve.

"I never said I wanted to be traded," Tejada said in a talk with CSN reporter Kelli Johnson. "I said I want to see a better team. I don't want to keep losing like we have the past two years." .............

"I don't want to take anything away from the pitchers we have, but we need more," Tejada said in his conversation with CSN. "We need an ace. I think they've got to make some moves. That's why I'm upset. I hope the fans won't be mad at me. But I think me speaking up might actually help the team get better."

Rest of Story:::
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051211&content_id=1280589&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

Again looks like the media blows something out of proportion. fuckin' idiots.

[Buddahman7]

When were the Yankees thinking of trading Jeter?:action-sm


:icon_lol: You can't honestly believe that Jeter is a better player than Tejada.......:icon_roll

[BeltOfScotch]

:icon_lol: You can't honestly believe that Jeter is a better player than Tejada.......:icon_roll

Pure stats, can't argue, Tejada is better. But I wouldn't trade Jeter for Tejada straight up if I had the chance. As the Yankees of the last 5 years have shown, putting together a bunch of players who have great numbers does not always equal championships. By all accounts, Jeter is a great clubhouse guy and when given the chance always seems to do his part when the game is on the line. Tejada has the better numbers, but Jeter is the guy I want on my team.

[Kyle]

Pure stats, can't argue, Tejada is better. But I wouldn't trade Jeter for Tejada straight up if I had the chance. As the Yankees of the last 5 years have shown, putting together a bunch of players who have great numbers does not always equal championships. By all accounts, Jeter is a great clubhouse guy and when given the chance always seems to do his part when the game is on the line. Tejada has the better numbers, but Jeter is the guy I want on my team.

It depends on what you mean. Pure talent wise Tejada is beter, no question. Jeter fills a crucial role on the Yankees in terms of the way he plays and his leadership, so if I were the Yankees, I may not make that trade either.

But if I'm starting a franchise tomorrow and I'm picking a franchise SS, I'd take Tejada over Jeter without any question.

Jeter's one of the best role-players in the modern era in terms of what he has contributed to the Yankees, and it will probably get him in the Hall of Fame. But I've always maintained that if he was traded to Milwaukee and made the corner-stone of the franchise, he would be viewed as an above-average SS at best as opposed to the typical view of him now as being a great SS. Whereas, Tejada could go anywhere and he'd still be viewed as a great SS, I think, as is evident of him going to hapless and lifeless Baltimore and still being a phenominal player.

[EveryoneHasAIDS]

Why is this thread about Jeter now? It's always the haters who bring him up.

[Buddahman7]

Why is this thread about Jeter now? It's always the haters who bring him up.

Actually it was a Jeter fan who brought him up, and no one is really hating him here.......




I agree if I were a Yankee fan :puke: I wouldn't trade Jeter either he plays a vital role on the Yankees, but Tejada is still the better SS talent wise.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

I'd take Jeter over Tejada any day, too. Yes, Tejada has great power numbers, but Jeter is one of the best all-around players in the game today. Who else in all of baseball makes that play that Jeter made to nail Jeremy Giambi at home in the 2001 ALDS? How many other players would have made the play Jeter made against Boston in that 13-inning game in 2004 where Jeter ran full-speed into the wall along the 3rd-base line, flew over the photographers pit and into the seats, and still made the catch?

Also, Jeter is one of the top 2-3 players in the league in the top 2 spots in the order. Since his rookie year in 1996, Jeter is first in the majors in hits and 2nd in runs scored. He's good for about 120 runs, 20 HRs, and 75 RBI per year while usually batting 1st or 2nd. He's also a career .314 hitter.

Jeter's a career .975 fielder. Tejada is .970 wit 18 more errors than Jeter in 2 fewer seasons.

Something else to consider: Jeter's career batting average in the postseason is .307. Tejada's is .212.

So, yeah, Tejada can put up the pretty power numbers, but Jeter does so much more that makes up for the homers.

For anyone else here to say that he'd only be considered slightly above average in another city is just wrong.

Pure stats, can't argue, Tejada is better. But I wouldn't trade Jeter for Tejada straight up if I had the chance. As the Yankees of the last 5 years have shown, putting together a bunch of players who have great numbers does not always equal championships. By all accounts, Jeter is a great clubhouse guy and when given the chance always seems to do his part when the game is on the line. Tejada has the better numbers, but Jeter is the guy I want on my team.

[Kyle]

I'd take Jeter over Tejada any day, too. Yes, Tejada has great power numbers, but Jeter is one of the best all-around players in the game today. Who else in all of baseball makes that play that Jeter made to nail Jeremy Giambi at home in the 2001 ALDS? How many other players would have made the play Jeter made against Boston in that 13-inning game in 2004 where Jeter ran full-speed into the wall along the 3rd-base line, flew over the photographers pit and into the seats, and still made the catch?

Also, Jeter is one of the top 2-3 players in the league in the top 2 spots in the order. Since his rookie year in 1996, Jeter is first in the majors in hits and 2nd in runs scored. He's good for about 120 runs, 20 HRs, and 75 RBI per year while usually batting 1st or 2nd. He's also a career .314 hitter.

Jeter's a career .975 fielder. Tejada is .970 wit 18 more errors than Jeter in 2 fewer seasons.

Something else to consider: Jeter's career batting average in the postseason is .307. Tejada's is .212.

So, yeah, Tejada can put up the pretty power numbers, but Jeter does so much more that makes up for the homers.

For anyone else here to say that he'd only be considered slightly above average in another city is just wrong.

First off, how many playoff games has Tejada played in? Jeter's played in 115, Tejada's played in 20. Second, Jeter has been afforded the luxury of batting in some of the best lineups in the modern era. Do you think anyone ever pitches around Jeter during a Yankees game. Tejada is the most dangerous hitter in his lineup every night and therefore gets pitched around, gets less hittable pitches, etc.

Jeter's a great defensive SS but so is Tejada. Anyone who follows baseball can tell you the error statistic is sometimes misleading. I would wager that Tejada covers more ground and gets to more 'unreachable' balls that otherwise would be hits, and also has a stronger throwing arm.

And Jeter has never been in the position where he's had to carry a team as THE star, so nobody knows how he'd be perceived. I can tell you, though, that if you take the same numbers, and instead of being engulfed in Yankee legend, put them on a last place Brewers team for years and years, he would probably be perceived as nothing more than a good all around player who's great defensively, and puts up solid offensive numbers. Not the Hall of Famer that every Yankees fan and many baseball pundits see him as.

I like the guy, he's good...but I'd take Tejada in almost any situation.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

Tejada's only played 20 playoff games because he's never made it past the first round. His performance has to be a part of the reason why. Every time the A's made the playoffs, they lost in the ALDS in 5 games. Maybe a few more hits from Tejada would have helped in one of those series. He hit .087 in the 2003 ALDS. Oakland lost Game 5 by 1 run. He has 1 HR and 8 RBI in 20 post-season games over 4 years. From a guy who is expected to produce, that's horrible.

Jeter, on the other hand, made a huge play that saved the ALDS for the Yanks against the A's in 2001, was the 2000 World Series MVP, and has come up big in pressure situations time and time again.

Jeter's a huge reason for the Yanks success over the last 10 years. You can't just say that he'd be nothing on a shitty team. He's been there to make the players around him better, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that he'd do the same thing somewhere else.

You also have to remember that Tejada has been in the same lineup during his career with guys like Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi (at Giambi's peak), Rafael Palmeiro, Javy Lopez, and Melvin Mora. He also had guys like Jermaine Dye and Ben Grieve when Grieve was hitting 27 HRs with 104 RBI. So it's not like Tejada's been alone in the batting order during his career, either. There have always been at least a couple of other 20+ HR guys around him.

I'm not saying Tejada isn't a tremendous player, but I'd take Jeter over him every time.

First off, how many playoff games has Tejada played in? Jeter's played in 115, Tejada's played in 20. Second, Jeter has been afforded the luxury of batting in some of the best lineups in the modern era. Do you think anyone ever pitches around Jeter during a Yankees game. Tejada is the most dangerous hitter in his lineup every night and therefore gets pitched around, gets less hittable pitches, etc.

Jeter's a great defensive SS but so is Tejada. Anyone who follows baseball can tell you the error statistic is sometimes misleading. I would wager that Tejada covers more ground and gets to more 'unreachable' balls that otherwise would be hits, and also has a stronger throwing arm.

And Jeter has never been in the position where he's had to carry a team as THE star, so nobody knows how he'd be perceived. I can tell you, though, that if you take the same numbers, and instead of being engulfed in Yankee legend, put them on a last place Brewers team for years and years, he would probably be perceived as nothing more than a good all around player who's great defensively, and puts up solid offensive numbers. Not the Hall of Famer that every Yankees fan and many baseball pundits see him as.

I like the guy, he's good...but I'd take Tejada in almost any situation.