Donovan McNabb

[Kyle]

Donovan McNabb has been getting killed here in the Philadelphia media lately. From questioning his ability, to racial stuff from assholes in the NAACP, to the T.O. shit, the guy has just taken a beating the last few weeks.

One of the flaws of Philadelphia sports fans is that they are the most parochial fans in the country. The majority of them know little, and care even less about anything in the sports world that happens outside of Philadelphia.

I'm curious how people see McNabb throughout the country. Personally, I think the guy is a great QB, and if he were run out of town it'd be the equivalent of running Charles Barkley, or almost running Mike Schmidt out of town. Looking at the starting QBs throughout the league, these are my Top 5:

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) Carson Palmer
4) Donovan McNabb
5) Matt Hasslebeck/Byron Leftwich/Drew Brees (all are good and an argument could be made either way)

I just don't get Eagles fans. After watching Mike McMahon stumble through 4 or 5 weeks, you'd think they'd have a new appreciation for the guy. But he gets bashed every other day in the papers and on the radio. Is he Joe Montana? No. But who the hell else is better? If you look around the league, the answer is very few.

[EveryoneHasAIDS]

Slow down...Tom Brady is not #1 (yes he can win superbowls, but if we're talking straight qb skills, nobody can touch Peyton). McNabb is no longer in the top 5 either. He's a great qb who has proven he can win (with or without a marque wr). But the fact that he no longer runs definitely drops him a few spots on the list + he's now an injury risk. He's black, he's supposed to run (wink wink).

right now:
#1 - Peyton
#2 - Palmer (i know it's a little soon, but he's having a ridiculous season)
#3 - Brady
#4 - Hasselbeck
#5 - Bulger, Favre, Brees, or Eli (maybe next year) and maybe McNabb if he stays healthy

most overrated qb ever - Mike Vick

[Kyle]

Slow down...Tom Brady is not #1 (yes he can win superbowls, but if we're talking straight qb skills, nobody can touch Peyton). McNabb is no longer in the top 5 either. He's a great qb who has proven he can win (with or without a marque wr). But the fact that he no longer runs definitely drops him a few spots on the list + he's now an injury risk. He's black, he's supposed to run (wink wink).

right now:
#1 - Peyton
#2 - Palmer (i know it's a little soon, but he's having a ridiculous season)
#3 - Brady
#4 - Hasselbeck
#5 - Bulger, Favre, Brees, or Eli (maybe next year)

I'm fine with your order of the top three. I'd take McNabb over Hasslebeck and Brees because both need to win a playoff game first. Favre is living off reputation at this point. He WAS great. 2005 Brett Favre is not. His last few years haven't been too good. Bulger is a stat guy, I think, similar to Culpepper. Good fantasy QB, average NFL QB. Eli Manning needs to play a complete game first before we annoint him a great QB. He's in the middle of the pack as far as his skills go this year. He COULD be high on the list in the next couple years, though.

EDIT: You're right about McNabb needing to run more, but I don't see him as an injury risk. This is the first time he's been hurt in his career, and a sports hernia isn't a recurring injury as far as I know.

And yes, we can all agree...Michael Vick is the most overrated QB maybe ever. A complete media creation.

[EveryoneHasAIDS]

Favre lost his 2 best receivers this year, I think he still has it, but he needs someone to throw it to. Eli-agreed, he really needs to figure out when to stop forcing passes (but he has showed flashes of Peyton). He's really only had a season and a half so he'll straighten that out.

[EveryoneHasAIDS]

Oh yeah, a sports hernia is an actual tear in the muscle (not just bulging out like a regular hernia). So I can see some lingering effects.

[Stormrider666]

This maybe my Redskins bias speaking, but could it be that maybe Mcnabb isn't that good. Yes I know he led the Eagles to 4 straight NFC title games, but this was during a time when the NFC east was not the division it used to be. Now that the divison is strong again, the Eagles are going have to realize that its going to be alot tougher. I have no sypmapthy for Mcnabb or the Eagles. They wanted Ownes and they should have known full well the problem he presented.

[Mindriot]

This maybe my Redskins bias speaking, but could it be that maybe Mcnabb isn't that good. Yes I know he led the Eagles to 4 straight NFC title games, but this was during a time when the NFC east was not the division it used to be. Now that the divison is strong again, the Eagles are going have to realize that its going to be alot tougher. I have no sypmapthy for Mcnabb or the Eagles. They wanted Ownes and they should have known full well the problem he presented.

See saying that he led the Eagles to 4 NFC championship games with a shitty NFC is not a Valid Point and I'll tell you why.

If you look at the Eagles Recieveing core for 3 of those 4 years. McNabb had shit, Absolute Shit to throw to. Go back and watch game film for those first 3 NFC championship games and look at how many times his recievers dropped balls that were right in their chest or they ran the wrong route. It was Pathetic.... I'll give you the Choke in the SB, but even then New England was just the better team and that's that. They only lost by 3 points in that game too. Not bad against the a Dynasty Team.

[mikeybot]

EDIT: You're right about McNabb needing to run more, but I don't see him as an injury risk. This is the first time he's been hurt in his career, and a sports hernia isn't a recurring injury as far as I know.



This is the fourth time McNabb has had an injury.
1. Broken Tibia
2. Thumb injury
3. Broken Rib

However, this is the first time that he's had an injury that required surgery.

He is a decent quarterback, and realistically not all of the NFC Championship games can be blamed on him.

St. Louis - On the road and not expected to make it that far anyway
Tampa Bay - Probaby came back too early from the Broken Tibia(and it was apparently Tampa Bay's year)
Carolina - Mc Nabb suffers a broken rib in the 2nd quarter, plus everyone was fucking up their routes all day

Admittedly, he needs to run much more. But last year showed what he can do if he has a good receiver.

[Bob]

Eli Manning blows; and if anyone thinks the giants have a shot in the playoffs its not because of Eli, Tiki is gonna have to carry this team just like he has all season. Eli's a fraud.

[Papagolash]

McNabb's a very good QB, I'd take him if we didn't already have Eli. Why is Michael Vick overrated, because he pretty much singlehandily wins football games, or is it because he doesn't pass well?

[domelogic]

Slow down...Tom Brady is not #1 (yes he can win superbowls, but if we're talking straight qb skills, nobody can touch Peyton). McNabb is no longer in the top 5 either. He's a great qb who has proven he can win (with or without a marque wr). But the fact that he no longer runs definitely drops him a few spots on the list + he's now an injury risk. He's black, he's supposed to run (wink wink).

right now:
#1 - Peyton
#2 - Palmer (i know it's a little soon, but he's having a ridiculous season)
#3 - Brady
#4 - Hasselbeck
#5 - Bulger, Favre, Brees, or Eli (maybe next year) and maybe McNabb if he stays healthy

most overrated qb ever - Mike Vick

are you on drugs? how can you have palmer over brady? they are not even close. yes palmer is having a great year but lets see if he can do it year after year. How can you say brady doesnt have qb skills? define that and then let me know where he doesnt measure up. i would personally put brady over peyton just on the fact that he wins and hasnt blown up in the big game(manning has a couple of times). I dont think anyone else in the league comes close to those two. And get eli the fuck out of even thinking he is in a tie for 5th. he has the tools to be great but definitely isnt even close yet.

at least we agree on vick. fasest guy in the league with no accuracy, is that what you want in your qb?

mcnabb when healthy is in the top 5. and no i am not an eagles fan or a patriots fan.

[fandango86]

Peyton
Palmer
Brady

Everyone else. McNabb is among the better in the 'all other' category, but he would not be a good QB on a bad team, like some are capable of being, and he doesn't elevate the Eagles. He's a good QB on a good team. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I put him in the class with Jake Plummer, Brett Favre, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, and Matt Hassleback - He's only as good as the players around him. The other three I feel can succeed without loads of talent around them. Well, maybe not Palmer, but he's a great QB on a good team, so in my mind that puts him in the top 3.

Michael Vick is one of the worst 5 QBs in football. He's basically their third RB. As a passer, he's had about as many great games this year as Kyle Boller.

[Mick32]

Kyle--
I realize that it gets said all the time, but I have to call you out on this:
Name ONE player Philly has "run out of town" with the possible exception of Lance Parrish. I don't think you can.

[TreeFortRichard]

mcnabb is pretty much a lemon in my book. He has proven that he has a lot of trouble winning the big games. I found really funny that TO said that mcnabb was losing games and he threw 2 game losing interceptions the first 2 weeks TO was out! His little soup commercials are pretty annoying as well. It is him and westbrook in the commercial and they are both out for the season...I see him as a QB that has never lived up to what he was believed to be.

[Kyle]

Kyle--
I realize that it gets said all the time, but I have to call you out on this:
Name ONE player Philly has "run out of town" with the possible exception of Lance Parrish. I don't think you can.

Scott Rolen. I know it's revisionist history of some fans these days to blame the organization and to blame Scott himself, but that's only a small part of it.

The guy didn't want to play here because he was treated like garbage. He was a guy who liked to keep to himself, didn't talk to the radio station, didn't like to do personal puff pieces in the local papers, and the media hated him for it.

And the Philadelphia sports media for the most part are assholes down the line. They have a way of spinning any animosity directed towards them as being "attacks at the fans" which the lemmings in the city, especially those in the WIP crowd eat up.

I was at home games where fans booed the guy after hitting home runs. They constantly said "he has no heart." I am a Phillies fan and it's one of the major reasons I have no respect for Philadelphia baseball fans.

The other is I still listen to retards at Phillies games tell me Mike Schmidt was "a fraud" and "overrated." Yeah, the best 3B in baseball history is overrated. The city doesn't deserve a baseball team with fans like that.

[FreeTheCricket]

I can't agree with the ratings of QB's here. Here's mine:

1) Brady
2) Manning
3) Palmer
4) Brees
5) A bunch of others

Right now, Manning is just not as good as Brady, no matter how you look at it. Manning is, as somebody on CBS Sports put it, the "Dan Marino of this era." Peyton has all the numbers and all the skills, but until he wins a Super Bowl, he doesn't have "it". Montana never had the stats that Marino had, but Montana had "it", and he is 4-0 in Super Bowls, and that makes Montana the better QB. Brady is 3-0, and therefore, he is better than Manning.

That being said, McNabb is not a bad QB. He has more heart than most players in the NFL today. He has done alot for a team that was basically a joke until he got there. I wish the Browns would have taken McNabb over Couch, we most likely would have quite a few more wins and not as many coaching changes.