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Yukon_1449

05-31-2006, 06:31 PM

They (Rogan & Coture) thought that the arm popped. I was amazed that not only did it not pop but he was striking Matt in the back of the head when they rolled over.

From what I have read, Gracie's elbow actually broke. Not sure how bad, but there is a definite fracture. The Gracies will never ever submit. You have to beat them by decision or knockout.

askewcore

05-31-2006, 06:36 PM

From what I have read, Gracie's elbow actually broke. Not sure how bad, but there is a definite fracture. The Gracies will never ever submit. You have to beat them by decision or knockout.

Thats fuckin nuts. If you look at his face, he looks like he's just layin there getting a massage. The fuckin dude got his arm broke and never showed any bit of pain in his face.

PestCoast

05-31-2006, 09:53 PM

whoisisthis

05-31-2006, 10:12 PM

Palerider4146

05-31-2006, 10:37 PM

I gotta' visit the Off Topic threads more often...

The Hughes-Gracie fight rocked! Mostly because I was happy to see Hughes win. Gracie's won a ton of fights but if you watch the old videos he's kind of a prick - not just the cockiness after winning but holding painful submissions on opponents long after they've tapped out. That said, it was impressive to watch him "zone out" the pain as his elbow was most certainly getting torn. You could almost see it coming from the beginning of the fight though... the first time Royce got hit you could see on his face that he's not used to being hit and it took him out of his game.

As for the Sanchez - Alessio fight... when Sanchez clung to Alessio's back and Alessio walked over to his corner to ask what to do, in my mind he lost the fight right there. How can you consider yourself an "ultimate fighter" and have to ask for help in the middle of a fight? I think he could've pushed the arm bar against his neck a little harder and won, but I guess we'll never know. Either way, if you have to stop in the middle of your fight to ask a trainer "uh... what do I do now?" you don't deserve a win. As good as he is on his feet, Alessio needs to go learn at least a minimal ground game.

In regard to the old UFC's with Royce, very often he would hold the subs in longer because the refs were awful and often did not see the tap out. One fight with Shamrock, Ken tapped, the ref stopped it, then Ken tried to say he didnt tap. The refs were really horribile.
In regards to Allessio taking him to the corner, I dont discredit him for that at all. When I wrestled, you often try to get the guy to your side of the mat so you can get help from your bench. Heck, even the champ Hughes does it. Watch the next time he does one of the huge slams. He often is running across the cage to bring the guy to his side to get help from Militich and the team. You couldnt believe how much help you can get because the others in your corner can see things from a much different angle.

By the way, because I'm an ass and cant figure out how to put multiple quotes in a reply, I believe the NSAC out lawed throwing in the towel as part of the MMA rules...http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

see #31 under fouls.

whoisisthis

05-31-2006, 10:39 PM

I believe the NSAC out lawed throwing in the towel as part of the MMA rules...http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

see #31 under fouls.

well I'll be damned... I didn't know that

I wonder if the rules were different in CA

MikeyP

05-31-2006, 10:49 PM

I'm surprised his corner didn't throw-in the towel

As I may have said elsewhere in this thread or in another thread, I think it actually looks like Gracie was beginning to tap before the ref stopped the fight.

Whether he did or not doesn't matter, it was ref stoppage, but I think it's absolutely possible (heck, even likely). That whole "Gracies don't tap" bulljive that a lot of folks on other boards seem to swear by doesn't mean noodles when he's being pummelled about the skull by Hughes' sledgehammers.

It's just not the same as sucking up an armbar, something he's trained his whole life to deal with.

PestCoast

05-31-2006, 10:53 PM

In regard to the old UFC's with Royce, very often he would hold the subs in longer because the refs were awful and often did not see the tap out. One fight with Shamrock, Ken tapped, the ref stopped it, then Ken tried to say he didnt tap. The refs were really horribile.
In regards to Allessio taking him to the corner, I dont discredit him for that at all. When I wrestled, you often try to get the guy to your side of the mat so you can get help from your bench. Heck, even the champ Hughes does it. Watch the next time he does one of the huge slams. He often is running across the cage to bring the guy to his side to get help from Militich and the team. You couldnt believe how much help you can get because the others in your corner can see things from a much different angle.

Fair enough (on both points), but even if that's a standard practise it still costs him points in my mind which is probably why UFC hasn't approached me to be an official scorer yet. :icon_wink

Even accepting that he'll get some help from outside the ring, I don't see how many people would've given him the entire fight. He had some wicked quick fists and his sprawl defense was lightning quick, but saying his defense took away Diego's ground game was like saying Diego's piggy-back took away his striking game. Neither fighter had the best rounded skillset but at least Diego kept pushing the fight. I wouldn't have scored it 30-27 (was that judge related?) but I wasn't surprised/upset when Sanchez got the win.

PestCoast

05-31-2006, 10:58 PM

It's just not the same as sucking up an armbar, something he's trained his whole life to deal with.

Absolutely!

I haven't seen better camera angle replays to see about the possibility of him tapping out but taking "intervalled" shots to the head is a lot different than tuning out a constant pain point. And Hughes hands must've felt like bricks when he's sitting on Royce's back just swinging back and forth.

MikeyP

05-31-2006, 11:36 PM

I haven't seen better camera angle replays to see about the possibility of him tapping out but taking "intervalled" shots to the head is a lot different than tuning out a constant pain point. And Hughes hands must've felt like bricks when he's sitting on Royce's back just swinging back and forth.

Hehe, yeah. Gracie should make sure he didn't get a concussion from that walloping.
Regarding replays, check out the slow-mo replay afterwards... It looks even more likely, but that could be a trick of the slow-mo.

whoisisthis

05-31-2006, 11:44 PM

from av8rOC's sig
http://f5.putfile.com/5/14808463714.gif

I don't see it"whaa"

I guess BJM's right leg could be hiding it

PestCoast

06-01-2006, 12:13 AM

from av8rOC's sig

I don't see it"whaa"

I guess BJM's right leg could be hiding it

Yeah, that's the only slow-mo replay I've seen after hearing a possible tapout. From that lone angle it looks like he's locking his hands under his head (trying to prevent the mat bounce?) and one of his hands gets knocked loose right before Big John gets in the way (jerk! :icon_wink ). From that 1 angle it doesn't look to me like he's reaching out for a tap but that his hand got knocked loose and he's actually pulling it back to relock his hands.

MikeyP

06-01-2006, 08:34 AM

Yeah, his right hand is being blocked by BJM, but that was the hand. Right as BJM is coming over it looks like Gracie reaches it out and taps the canvas twice, and then BJM breaks them up. If you still have the PPV you could see it from the other angle.
Either way, it's academic because the loss will go down as ref stoppage.

PestCoast

06-01-2006, 11:55 AM

Bummer, gf deleted the Tivo. I'll have to wait for a replay to show up on Spike...

Kid Brock

06-01-2006, 12:39 PM

Bummer, gf deleted the Tivo. I'll have to wait for a replay to show up on Spike...

Kick her!

novalia

06-01-2006, 12:56 PM

From what I have read, Gracie's elbow actually broke. Not sure how bad, but there is a definite fracture. The Gracies will never ever submit. You have to beat them by decision or knockout.

yeah i've seen a few Gracies fight in Pride and against Sakuraba Renzo's elbow was bent the wrong way from a kimura but he wouldnt submit... the ref had to stop it... was pretty weird looking...

before that one.... against Sakuraba... Royler Gracie wouldnt submit to a kimura and the ref had to stop it... he was actually pissed that it was stopped... he was the first Gracie that Sakuraba defeated.

Kid Brock

06-01-2006, 02:42 PM

yeah i've seen a few Gracies fight in Pride and against Sakuraba Renzo's elbow was bent the wrong way from a kimura but he wouldnt submit... the ref had to stop it... was pretty weird looking...

before that one.... against Sakuraba... Royler Gracie wouldnt submit to a kimura and the ref had to stop it... he was actually pissed that it was stopped... he was the first Gracie that Sakuraba defeated.

A couple years ago I saw a Pride ppv (one of the Bushido's I think) that was setup as all Gracie's vs fighters from other camps. They kind of treated it WWE style with an invasion angle. Pretty interesting and a couple decent fights.

av8rOC

06-01-2006, 02:50 PM

I know one of the Gracies tapped a few years ago, I dont remember which one though. Anyone read the Gracie response to the Hughes fight? Basically they believe despite Royce losing GJJ won...

UFC 60
Royce Gracie Loses but Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Wins!

"When discussing the "secret" to the success of the Gracie Family, Helio Gracie once said, "It is not the Gracie's who are amazing people, it is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu that is amazing. This jiu-jitsu of ours is not exclusive to us, anyone who is dedicated enough to thoroughly study and understand it will be empowered far more then they could ever be without it." .............

On May 27, 2006, Royce Gracie would return to the UFC to face the current welterweight champion Matt Hughes. When the bell rang and the fight started, Matt and Royce got into a clinch and went to the ground. Matt was able to pass the guard and establish the sidemount from which he was able to attempt a Kimura lock from which he transitioned into a straight arm lock. Royce was able to untangle his arm and in an attempt to get to a better position, he went to his knees. At this point, Matt quickly spun to a backmount and with his hooks in controlled Royce enough to be able to end the fight with an array of punches to the back of the head.

When the fight was over, the crowd was shocked, Royce lost but Gracie Jiu-Jitsu won."

novalia

06-01-2006, 02:54 PM

I know one of the Gracies tapped a few years ago, I dont remember which one though. Anyone read the Gracie response to the Hughes fight? Basically they believe despite Royce losing GJJ won...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews.asp?n_id=1430
Eddie Bravo - The "Twister" Talks
February 5, 2004
by Derek Calahan

It would be a stark raving occurrence to hear a grappling fan yell ‘encore!’ after a match, but there’s a good chance these days that one may feel the need to shout ‘Bravo!’ It was on his back in a position his opponent had been in since near-birth. After dog-fighting Royler Gracie out of his half guard and into the full, Eddie Bravo made one last surge and with much effort, locked in a devastating triangle choke that made the legendary Gracie break new ground as he became the first Gracie to tap out in combat.

“He basically controlled most of the match, at least 50% of it he was in control,” remembered Bravo of his historical Abu Dhabi bout.

“He passed my guard a couple times but never really stabilized a position. He would pass and I would put him back in my half guard, and when I finally put him back into my full guard, then it was time to go to work.”

Bravo continued, “I didn’t have that much time so I had to act fast. All I was thinking about is setting up a triangle. I knew if I went for omoplatas [shoulder locks] he was going to pop out of it. his shoulders are double jointed or something. It was all about setting up a triangle and I pulled it off.”

askewcore

06-01-2006, 02:54 PM

Royce set up that whole angle about even if he loses, GJJ is still dominant even before the fight.

MikeyP

06-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Royce set up that whole angle about even if he loses, GJJ is still dominant even before the fight.

I've seen a lot of BJJ fanboys spouting this left and right lately, but from what I saw and understand it was a combination of martial arts, including but not limited to BJJ, (along with athleticism) that won the day.

Isn't that what MMA is?

askewcore

06-01-2006, 03:09 PM

I've seen a lot of BJJ fanboys spouting this left and right lately, but from what I saw and understand it was a combination of martial arts, including but not limited to BJJ, (along with athleticism) that won the day.

Isn't that what MMA is?

Yeah, I wasnt saying he was right, I was just saying that even before the fight Royce was saying, "well even if i lose, it just shows that GJJ is dominant because thats what everyone learns now"

MikeyP

06-01-2006, 03:10 PM

Yeah, I wasnt saying he was right, I was just saying that even before the fight Royce was saying, "well even if i lose, it just shows that GJJ is dominant because thats what everyone learns now"

Understood. :)

locallounge

06-02-2006, 07:08 PM

Sad news:icon_sad: . Longtime MMA enthusiast, Host of MMA Weekly Radio, and founder of www.mmaweekly.com Ryan Bennett has recently passed away while traveling with his family on 5.31.06.
For memorial and other info, please visit www.mmaweekly.com

Yukon_1449

06-03-2006, 09:37 AM

Just a reminder, There is a Pride FC Bushido Tournament of Pay Per View this Sunday. Should be a good show with a huge card.

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/fightcard.htm

Also, there is a new organization that is starting up. The 1st card looks way better then the last UFC. It is the World Fighting Alliance. They have signed some really good fighters. Quentin Rampage Jackson, Bas Rutten (Yes he is back!), Matt Lindland. First PPV is in July.

http://www.wfa.tv/index.php

I love how this sport has taken off. I remember the old days when there were court battles before every event and you did not know from one day to the next if MMA events would survive. Now there are 4 quality PPV shows, a host of Mid level international fight shows, and countless shows in your cities with guys who have huge, inflated, records because they fight fish that are thrown there way. "Hey kid, like to fight? Want to earn a couple of hundred" If you know of Monte Cox fighters out of Omaha, you will know what I am talking about.

whoisisthis

06-03-2006, 03:26 PM

Just a reminder, There is a Pride FC Bushido Tournament of Pay Per View this Sunday. Should be a good show with a huge card.

Also, there is a new organization that is starting up. The 1st card looks way better then the last UFC. It is the World Fighting Alliance. They have signed some really good fighters. Quentin Rampage Jackson, Bas Rutten (Yes he is back!), Matt Lindland. First PPV is in July.

http://www.wfa.tv/index.php

nice! I'd shell-out the cash to see just throse three fight.

whoisisthis

06-04-2006, 03:07 AM

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/01062006/2/sports-next-ufc-champ-matt-hughes-canadian-contender-georges-st.html
Next up for UFC champ Matt Hughes is Canadian contender Georges St. Pierre

Thu Jun 01, 12:26 PM EST

By Neil Davidson
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TORONTO (CP) - In beating Royce Gracie, UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes disposed of the past. Now the 170-pound mixed martial arts fighter has to face the future - Canadian Georges St. Pierre.

"That's the next big mega-fight." Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White said from Las Vegas

"As far as I'm concerned, Georges St. Pierre is the most talented athlete in the fight game right now," he added.

Hughes and St. Pierre will meet in a rematch some time in September. There is no venue as of yet, but White has said he would love to take the card to St. Pierre's native Montreal.

The two met in UFC 50: The War of 04 in October 2004, with Hughes forcing the Canadian to tap out with one second remaining in the first round.

St. Pierre has since said he showed Hughes too much respect in that fight. But he has bounced back with consecutive wins over Jason Miller, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg and former champion B.J. Penn.

"After fighting Matt, he's walked through everybody who's anybody in that division - including B.J. Penn," White said.

Hughes scored major points when he destroyed Gracie, the winner of UFC 1 and the sport's first star, in the first round of UFC 60: Hughes vs. Gracie in Los Angeles last Saturday.

The former all-American wrestler at Eastern Illinois has only lost one of his last 19 fights.

"He's the most dominant welterweight champion of all time," White said. "He deserves all the fans and all the recognition he gets."

Hughes will no doubt remind him of that at contract renegotiation time. White acknowledged that Gracie earned more than the American champion last weekend.

Hughes, 32, has an MMA record of 41-4 while the 25-year-old St. Pierre is 12-1.

The UFC thinks enough of St. Pierre to make him one of the "advisers" to the fighters competing on Season 4 of The Ultimate Fighter reality TV show, which is currently in production.

As for UFC 60, White said the fights went a lot quicker than he expected, with rapid wins for Mike Swick and Brandon Vera.

While Gracie was dominated by Hughes, he earned kudos for refusing to submit even though Hughes was bending his arm unnaturally in an armbar at one point.

"Matt said he heard it (Gracie's arm) pop three times," White said.

Realizing referee John McCarthy was not going to stop the fight at that moment unless Gracie tapped out, Hughes elected not to break his arm and went for another move.

"Matt said 'I'm not going to do this. I'll figure another way out of this,"' White related.

Other fighters to shine at UFC 60 were jiu-jitsu ace Dean Lister and crowd-pleaser Spencer Fisher, who used a flying knee to end his bout.

"He is amazing. I love that kid," White said. "Spencer Fisher, you're going to see a lot more of him."

Fisher was fighting at welterweight, returning to 170 pounds after losing to Sam Stout of London, Ont., as a last-minute lightweight injury replacement at UFC 58: USA vs. Canada.

White said the pay per view buy for UFC 60 was looking "very healthy."

"One of the best, if not the best," he added.

White is also pumped about the next Ultimate Fighter TV series, slated to start airing in August. This one features former UFC pro fighters looking for another title shot, instead of newcomers looking to secure a UFC contract.

"The fights are awesome this year," White said. "You're talking about seasoned veterans, guys who have been around for a while. Good fights."

The UFC has not yet announced the fighters taking part.

White also noted that the UFC topped the Yahoo buzz index earlier this week as the most searched item of the day, beating out Jessica Alba, X-Men and World Cup 2006. It also topped the Yahoo sports index.

The Internet has proved crucial to the UFC, with mainstream media slow to cover mixed martial arts.

UFC 61: Bitter Rivals is set for July 8 in Las Vegas with co-main events: the rubber match between heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia and former title-holder Andrei Arlovski and light-heavyweight foes Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock.

::side note::

Realizing referee John McCarthy was not going to stop the fight at that moment unless Gracie tapped out, Hughes elected not to break his arm and went for another move.

"Matt said 'I'm not going to do this. I'll figure another way out of this,"' White related.

Hughes is a true champ:clap:

askewcore

06-04-2006, 03:36 AM

nice! I'd shell-out the cash to see just throse three fight.

According to that website, Bas is going to be fighting Kimo. The show is gonna be on PPV on 7/22. I'll order it just for the return of El Guapo. Rampage vs. Lindland will be a sweet bonus. I'm curious to see if they pull out anyone else fun to watch. U.S. competetion for UFC, more gooder.

On their site where they list the fighters, they have Ricco Rodriguez, Jason Mayhem Miller, Ivan Salaverry, Mandingo McKee and Vernon Tiger White. Thats some pretty decent talent for an upstart organization. This should be fun.

Ricco is figting a guy named Ron Waterman, anyone know anything him? He looks like fucking Scott Steiner.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9366/frwaterman15zj.jpg
Edit: I looked him up on sherdog, he's fought some good fighters. He got KOed by CroCop and lost to TK, but beat Randleman and Ricco.

Anyone else ordering Pride tomorrow?

Kid Brock

06-04-2006, 04:25 AM

According to that website, Bas is going to be fighting Kimo. The show is gonna be on PPV on 7/22. I'll order it just for the return of El Guapo. Rampage vs. Lindland will be a sweet bonus. I'm curious to see if they pull out anyone else fun to watch. U.S. competetion for UFC, more gooder.

On their site where they list the fighters, they have Ricco Rodriguez, Jason Mayhem Miller, Ivan Salaverry, Mandingo McKee and Vernon Tiger White. Thats some pretty decent talent for an upstart organization. This should be fun.

Ricco is figting a guy named Ron Waterman, anyone know anything him? He looks like fucking Scott Steiner.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9366/frwaterman15zj.jpg
Edit: I looked him up on sherdog, he's fought some good fighters. He got KOed by CroCop and lost to TK, but beat Randleman and Ricco.

Anyone else ordering Pride tomorrow?

Ron "H2O" Waterman is a former WWE developmental talent. I think down in OVW. CroCop whooped him , but who hasn't been by the Croation Cop.

whoisisthis

06-04-2006, 04:33 AM

Ricco is figting a guy named Ron Waterman, anyone know anything him? He looks like fucking Scott Steiner.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9366/frwaterman15zj.jpg

http://www.team-impact.com/cimg/team/Ron_Waterman_02.jpg
http://www.team-impact.com/team_member.cfm?name=Ron_Waterman

looks like he's also one of those christian guys that bend shit for christ

av8rOC

06-04-2006, 12:26 PM

I cannot wait for Hughes-GSP 2. Two of the top 3 most talented guys in MMA in my book. I give this one to St. Pierre.

PestCoast

06-04-2006, 10:14 PM

I cannot wait for Hughes-GSP 2. Two of the top 3 most talented guys in MMA in my book. I give this one to St. Pierre.

Gracious guy you are. I think Hughes in 2.

whoisisthis

06-05-2006, 02:49 AM

I cannot wait for Hughes-GSP 2. Two of the top 3 most talented guys in MMA in my book. I give this one to St. Pierre.

I agree. I'm just glad they're both in the UFC. There would be little reason to follow it otherwise

I'm split this way: if Matt gets the takedown, he gets the win. But GSP's sprawl and stand-up could shift it the other way. I hope this fight is as amazing as it looks on paper

av8rOC

06-05-2006, 11:11 AM

I agree. I'm just glad they're both in the UFC. There would be little reason to follow it otherwise

I'm split this way: if Matt gets the takedown, he gets the win. But GSP's sprawl and stand-up could shift it the other way. I hope this fight is as amazing as it looks on paper

The way I look at is the first fight GSP was dominating the stand up and Hughes capitolized on a mistake and armbarred him. St. Pierre was what, 23 at that fight? Since then he has beat the best in the division and only gotten better. It's ineveitable he will become ww champ, just a matter of time. Will he do it in Sept? I think so...

novalia

06-05-2006, 04:36 PM

Tim Sylvia likes foo foo drinks (http://www.filecabi.net/video/tim-sylvia.html)

Standby

06-05-2006, 04:58 PM

Did anyone else catch the Pride Bushido PPV last night? To be honest... kind of subpar... I don't know if it's the Bushido round setup (10 min round, 5 min round as opposed to multi 5 min rounds or 10-5-5) but for having 10 fights, 7 of them in the Welterweight Grand Prix, there weren't that many that really stood out to me...

av8rOC

06-05-2006, 09:45 PM

Tim Sylvia likes foo foo drinks (http://www.filecabi.net/video/tim-sylvia.html)

Yeah but he had a good point....Whos gonna make fun of him?

Anyway what a drunk tramp, and Tim seems like a down to earth guy. Too bad Arlovski is gonna take the belt back next month. I have a ton of respect for Tim requesting the rematch right away though, he knows AA is the only other real competion at HW in the UFC.

PestCoast

06-05-2006, 11:19 PM

av8rOC

06-05-2006, 11:27 PM

askewcore

06-05-2006, 11:28 PM

About the same as UFC.

A lot of differences, but its still MMA and the talent is right there if not better. One of the things I like most is they arent so quick to stand fighters up and as a result you see a lot more ground fighting.

I love the yellow cards in Pride too, this way you cant just sit in a mount and not do anything, but still win the round. I also like the 10 minute rounds. And I think the overall talent pool is better than UFC, but thats just my opinion. I didnt see Bushido last night because Cablevision was being jerks, and then I got some oral treats, but it sounds like I didnt miss much.

Kid Brock

06-06-2006, 11:16 AM

Tim Sylvia likes foo foo drinks (http://www.filecabi.net/video/tim-sylvia.html)

"Arm broken 3 weeks ago", "Heart broken many times"

MikeyP

06-07-2006, 12:08 PM

Here's a little article I read this morning about Jim Lampley bashing MMA.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2188&zoneid=7

- HBO BOXING'S JIM LAMPLEY BASHES MMA
Tuesday, June 06, 2006 - by Ivan Trembow - MMAWeekly.com
The voice of HBO Boxing, Jim Lampley, bashed the sport of MMA on Monday during his guest-hosting gig on Jim Rome's show.

While UFC president Dana White continues to say, as recently as last week in the Washington Post, that the UFC is "coming soon" to HBO, it seems pretty clear that Lampley does not approve and will not be rolling out the welcome mat when or if the UFC does sign with HBO.

Lampley said that while boxing is a real sport, UFC events are nothing more than a bunch of bar fights. Lampley showed no respect for MMA or its competitors, even saying that MMA fighters are "not athletes."

Mixed martial arts and the UFC were repeatedly referred to as "no-holds-barred fighting" by Lampley, even though that hasn't been true since 1994. He apparently didn't even get the proverbial memo about how Zuffa added all of the rules in 2001.

Lampley went on to say that any of the top fighters from the UFC or K-1 would lose very quickly to a top boxer. That may be true in a boxing match, but it would certainly not be true in an MMA fight.

Even if an MMA fighter did beat a top boxer in an MMA fight, Lampley said it would "mean nothing" because "it's a bar fight," and he could go to a bar at any time if he wanted to see a bar fight.

Regarding the popularity of MMA in the United States, Lampley said that the UFC will never be bigger than boxing, which is already a factually incorrect statement when it comes to TV ratings and all but the biggest boxing pay-per-views.

Lampley, who has come under fire from some boxing fans in the past for "cheerleading" the HBO-backed fighter in many major boxing matches, is not exactly Mr. Credibility, so his comments should not come as much of a surprise. As the long-time play-by-play man for HBO Boxing, Lampley is also a major player in the old-school boxing crowd, the majority of which feels very threatened by MMA as it continues to chip away at boxing's audience.

novalia

06-07-2006, 12:10 PM

Lampley knows even less about boxing.

MikeyP

06-07-2006, 12:12 PM

Lampley knows even less about boxing.

Good to know. He sounds like a prick to me. I hope the UFC gets an HBO contract and I hope they put this piece of trash out on the curb.

novalia

06-07-2006, 12:13 PM

James Toney on Lampley:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=3788
"Then you have these dickwads on HBO, Jim Lampley. Do you guys have a voicemail or email, an email for Jim Lampley? Well, get it and email me. These are f*ck b*tches, these are punk boys, *ssholes, c*cksuckers. You see they don’t even know how call fights. They kept saying he was hitting me, dude wasn’t even hitting me. You all saw the fight, what fight did you see? Did you see me slipping this guy's damn shots."

askewcore

06-07-2006, 12:20 PM

Great, more reasons for me to fucking DESPISE Jim Lampley. Him and Larry Merchant are two of the biggest douches on the planet.

Lampley showed no respect for MMA or its competitors, even saying that MMA fighters are "not athletes."

Thats the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. They are probably the most well-rounded athletes on the planet. I'd like to see a boxer fight 5 minute rounds, not even gonna go as far as to say 10 minute rounds like Pride. Boxers train one style and thats it. While MMA guys have to try and stay up on any kinda style they can.

Lampley went on to say that any of the top fighters from the UFC or K-1 would lose very quickly to a top boxer. That may be true in a boxing match, but it would certainly not be true in an MMA fight.

I'd take Feydor, Silvia or Cro-Cop over Klitschko in a boxing match in a second.

Lampley said that the UFC will never be bigger than boxing, which is already a factually incorrect statement when it comes to TV ratings and all but the biggest boxing pay-per-views.

That makes me smile.

Lampley, who has come under fire from some boxing fans in the past for "cheerleading" the HBO-backed fighter in many major boxing matches, is not exactly Mr. Credibility

I'm glad they mentioned that because its so fucking true. Whoever has the long-term contract with HBO he pumps up. He also constantly calls shots that either land on arms, or get blocked completly as "landing hard". Fuckin idiot.

I love boxing, but the quality of it has just been getting worse and worse. Castillo missing his weight against Corrales again really didnt help either. I have no doubt in my mind that within 3-5 years (possibly sooner) MMA will be more popular than boxing. The only thing boxing really has going for them is Jermaine Taylor, and casual fans really wont be impressed with him.

d0uche_n0zzle

06-07-2006, 12:22 PM

Good to know. He sounds like a prick to me. I hope the UFC gets an HBO contract and I hope they put this piece of trash out on the curb.

Exactly. Boxing is boring compared to what happens in a MMA match. Also, more people have died from boxing then from MMA. So stick that up your ass Lampley.

av8rOC

06-07-2006, 01:07 PM

After finding MMA I cant even stomach a boxing match. Boring and corupt, bring on the future.

novalia

06-07-2006, 01:17 PM

After finding MMA I cant even stomach a boxing match. Boring and corupt, bring on the future.

unfortunately corruption is universal...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2187&zoneid=2

Apparently Pride FC has ties with the Japanese mob so their TV contract was cancelled. Old news this "yakuza scandal" but new news to me.

askewcore

06-07-2006, 01:20 PM

Yeah, I didnt know about that Yakuza deal either. Maybe they forgot to mention it in my weekly Yakuza newsletter.

Palerider4146

06-07-2006, 01:28 PM

unfortunately corruption is universal...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2187&zoneid=2

Apparently Pride FC has ties with the Japanese mob so their TV contract was cancelled. Old news this "yakuza scandal" but new news to me.

Hmmm Dana White is probably chuckling over this one. Although Pride does seem to have the better overall fighters (namely in the HW division, although I think the other divisions are much more even) things like this and there questionable steroid practices may help the UFC in the end. BTW, can anyone who watches Pride regularly answer this question, do they incorporate "pro" wrestling matches into their shows, I thought I read that somewhere. I really despise "pro" wrestling myself.

askewcore

06-07-2006, 01:34 PM

do they incorporate "pro" wrestling matches into their shows, I thought I read that somewhere. I really despise "pro" wrestling myself.

No. But they have alot of Japanese Pro Wrestlers who try and fight MMA. And lose consistently. There's a clip floating around of Cro-Cop vs. some guy named Dos Caras Jr., he has a mask on. And Mirko almost kicks his head into the Pacific Ocean

Palerider4146

06-07-2006, 01:41 PM

In regards to Lampley, tell him to "go shit in your hat", I was just busting Lampley's balls and he's getting fresh! How great would it be for HBO to see the light and put on a UFC show every so often. I wonder if this could be the end of the PPVs (doubt it though). By the way, check out the actual Washington Post articile that was mentioned. A HBO deal would be HUGE! (think of lil Jimmy yelling now) Let's wait and see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2006053102341.html?sub=new

You may need to register but it's quick and free.

Palerider4146

06-07-2006, 01:43 PM

No. But they have alot of Japanese Pro Wrestlers who try and fight MMA. And lose consistently. There's a clip floating around of Cro-Cop vs. some guy named Dos Caras Jr., he has a mask on. And Mirko almost kicks his head into the Pacific Ocean

That is where pride loses me a bit. To often it can come off as to "pro" like. I dont want to see WWF shit, I just want to see to guys beating the crap out of each other, no fluff. It seems like the UFC fluff is much less than in Japan.

novalia

06-07-2006, 02:37 PM

i dont like it when they pit superman vs supernoob..

av8rOC

06-07-2006, 09:08 PM

That is where pride loses me a bit. To often it can come off as to "pro" like. I dont want to see WWF shit, I just want to see to guys beating the crap out of each other, no fluff. It seems like the UFC fluff is much less than in Japan.

Agreed, Pride does a lot more back stage "fluff" crap, and sometimes it has a WWF (or whatever its called these days) feel to it.

av8rOC

06-07-2006, 09:10 PM

No. But they have alot of Japanese Pro Wrestlers who try and fight MMA. And lose consistently. There's a clip floating around of Cro-Cop vs. some guy named Dos Caras Jr., he has a mask on. And Mirko almost kicks his head into the Pacific Ocean

Haha thats funny.

Another thing that I have noticed about Pride is that they seem to shelter their "golden boys" ie. Fedor, Nog, Cro-Cop, Wanderlei, and feed them cans way too often. There is so much talent in Pride I feel like they should have big time fights more often.

whoisisthis

06-08-2006, 12:32 AM

No. But they have alot of Japanese Pro Wrestlers who try and fight MMA. And lose consistently. There's a clip floating around of Cro-Cop vs. some guy named Dos Caras Jr., he has a mask on. And Mirko almost kicks his head into the Pacific Ocean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-qh5VsJ9vw&search=Dos%20Caras%20Jr
:icon_eek:
at the very end

av8rOC

06-08-2006, 11:36 AM

Not sure if we discussed it already, but a nice card for the UFN live June 28th:

Chris Leben Vs. Anderson Silva

Rashad Evans Vs. Stephan Bonnar

Jonathan Goulet Vs. Luke Cummo

Jon Fitch Vs. Thiago Alves

Dave Menne Vs. Josh Koscheck

Branden Lee Hinkle Vs. Jason Lambert

Looking forward to the Leben fight for sure, Silva is real deal competition.

I think Bonnars stand up is superior and if they stay on their feet he wont have a problem.

Koscheck is always fun to watch.

All in all another nice card, especially when you factor in the price. There are so many UFC haters on the big forums but who else is giving us this much MMA and live fights for free? Not to mention 1 fight a week on the TUF.

av8rOC

06-08-2006, 11:49 AM

Then, 4 days later we have Pride OWGP round 2! Check out this fight card:

5 Fights Officially Announced for OWGP Round 2
http://www.prideofficial.com/

Cro Cop vs Hidehiko Yoshida
Kazuyuki Fujita vs Wanderlei Silva
Josh Barnett vs Mark Hunt
Antonio Nogueira vs Fabricio Werdum
Kazuhiro Nakamura vs Evanglista "Cyborg" Santos

Holy crap that is a sick card.

Then, 6 days later is UFC 61:

Ortiz vs Shamrock 2
Silvia vs Arlovski 3
Mir vs Dan Christienson
Josh Burkman Vs. Josh Neer

Oh yeah, did I forget to mention the TUF finals on June 24th? That card is headlined by Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout.

Holy shit what a sick 2 weeks of MMA fights!

Palerider4146

06-08-2006, 02:50 PM

Good month for mma..."Happy Birthday to meeeeee, happy birthday to meeeeeeeeeeee". The UFN card is pretty good, hopefully win or lose, they will give Leben a PPV match next. I'm also looking forward to seeing if Mir can bounce back from that beating a few months ago. I think he came back to soon back then. in regards to UFC 61, kudos to Sylvia to giving a rematch so soon, that should be interesting. Plus, even though I think Tito is going to kill Ken, the back story and hatred there will be enough for good entertainment.

av8rOC

06-09-2006, 04:55 AM

Tito embarassed him the first time, I'm sure it will only be worse the second. Hopefully Ken will take a page out of Randy's book and hang it up.

av8rOC

06-12-2006, 07:34 PM

Palerider4146

06-13-2006, 11:08 AM

Sanchez vs. Parisyan Confirmed

Diego and Karo fight confirmed for the August 17th UFN live on Spike. Another fight I am really looking forward to. If Diego comes out like he did last time I think he will be handed his first loss.

This is actually a big test for both guys. Karo's ground game and judo is amazing, but his standup is real wild. Any good standup guy should be able to use that against Karo. Unfortunately for Diego, he isnt a great standup guy. This should be a real interesting fight. I dont think Karo has fought since last summer against Diaz. He was supposed to fight Hughes but got hurt in training. If he beats Diego, and if GSP loses to Hughes, Karo should get his shot at Hughes, or at least against GSP, which could be a real good fight.

av8rOC

06-13-2006, 11:15 AM

This is actually a big test for both guys. Karo's ground game and judo is amazing, but his standup is real wild. Any good standup guy should be able to use that against Karo. Unfortunately for Diego, he isnt a great standup guy. This should be a real interesting fight. I dont think Karo has fought since last summer against Diaz. He was supposed to fight Hughes but got hurt in training. If he beats Diego, and if GSP loses to Hughes, Karo should get his shot at Hughes, or at least against GSP, which could be a real good fight.

Penn is in that mix as well, cant forget about him. I agree though, big test for both guys. The winner of this fight will be next in line behind GSP and Penn for a title shot.
This is a MMA fan's fight, maybe why its not a PPV fight. I expect a ground war and I love a good ground war.

av8rOC

06-13-2006, 02:39 PM

I thought this was a brilliant article from sherdog about the current UFC talent pool:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=4725

Technically speaking, it’s not really déjà vu. That term refers to the fraudulent sensation of having seen or experienced something before. It’s an evocative term, but the wrong one.

Wrong because I am entirely certain I have seen July’s UFC 61 card before. Less than 60 days ago, Tim Sylvia (Pictures) tackled Andrei Arlovski (Pictures). Less than four years ago, Ken Shamrock (Pictures) was counting the Tweety birds circling his concussed head, victim of the most one-sided mauling in UFC light heavyweight title history.

If that bout somehow left something to the imagination, has the UFC got a deal for you.

In today’s Zuffa-owned fight climate, rematches have morphed into something other than an intermittent novelty. They’ve become an epidemic, the manifestation of a shallow talent pool. No longer does Management recruit intriguing new challengers. They’re content to re-package and re-purpose contenders, dressing the fight in propaganda that might lead one to believe it makes an ounce of sense.

Don’t believe it? Consider: as the current light heavyweight champ, Chuck Liddell (Pictures)’s history of defense has consisted entirely of rematches. He won the belt from Couture; he defended it against Horn; he fought Couture, again; he is now set to oppose Renato Sobral (Pictures) in August.

That’s four fights and not a single fresh opponent for a celebrated champion who is nearly 38 and has perhaps a handful of fights left in his prime.

And what of Sylvia-Arlovski? We’ve now reached the saturation point where not even three months will pass before these two will resume their confrontation. I suspect Arlovski — the UFC’s Great Belarus Hope for a marketable heavyweight — has contractual guarantees that he will be granted a rematch. I find it little comfort for what has turned out to be a monotonous season of repeats.

This comes after a pointless rubber match between Jeremy Horn (Pictures) and Chael Sonnen (Pictures), the first two bouts having left nothing to the imagination. (Horn’s presence at middleweight — where he continually picks off contenders while simultaneously refusing to fight champ Franklin — is another fiasco onto itself.)

And it will climax in July with what is clearly the most shameless grab at cash to date: the sequel to Ortiz-Shamrock.

Doubtless that the UFC’s hype machine will point out that Shamrock fought gallantly with a torn ACL in their first encounter. And now, healthier, he will provoke a better fight. What is likely to slip their minds is that Shamrock, now four years older, would have to dredge up an effort he’s biologically incapable of producing in order to even threaten Ortiz.

(This is not likely to deter Dana White from staring solemnly into a camera and discussing how “badly Ken wanted this,” as if that’s a viable method of handicapping.)

But because Ken is one of the few combat athletes to talk a good game, and because little effort is needed to sell a sequel, the bout will go on as scheduled. And what was once a highly anticipated match will now be a sad punctuation mark on a dependable Shamrock’s career.

Liddell’s case is more offensive for the simple fact that the UFC failed to ensnare free agent Quinton Jackson (Pictures), which would’ve provided a major shake-up of the division. And while I’m aware of the hypocrisy in advocating a fighter who would wind up in a rematch with Liddell, it should be noted that it’s at least compelling. After all, Jackson gave him a thorough beating in Japan.

There is nothing inherently wrong with rematches; plenty of bouts with dubious decisions warrant them. Promoted correctly, rivalries can help elevate athletes and their profession. I don’t begrudge the UFC for three Liddell-Couture bouts; I express puzzlement at the sheer number of redundant matches that have not even a fraction of that series’ significance.

In today’s Ultimate Fighter-fueled era, the UFC has developed a perfect business plan. They have a nationally televised outlet in which to promote unknown athletes, who in turn draw business for pennies on the dollar. Economically, it’s brilliant. Why pay Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) $500,000 when Forrest Griffin (Pictures) will draw more buy rates for less than a tenth of the purse?

The dearth of contenders is — like many things in life — a business decision. The Accounting Department doesn’t have the luxury of romanticizing the sport. But when your roster is swollen with up-and-comers who aren’t yet prepared for title bouts, you wind up with the same handful of high-level athletes in an endless loop of confrontation.

The only way this changes is if the American public becomes cognizant of what’s happening outside the Octagon, that Liddell’s real threats are across the ocean. How this happens is beyond me. The UFC is MMA in the States, and our society’s impressions of the sport are directly influenced by what they choose to reveal. Casual viewers searching for information online get funneled to the UFC’s bias on their home page, where “Cro Cop” would be regarded as an error message rather than as a fighter.

Perhaps DSE’s unfortunate situation in Japan will provide an avenue for the top athletes to find a home stateside … though I can’t imagine the UFC matching the substantial salaries sure to be offered by K-1.

More than likely, Liddell’s winter title defense will be against Noe Hernandez. And thanks to some slick barker shows on SpikeTV, damned if we won’t think that maybe ol’ Noe has a shot.

askewcore

06-14-2006, 05:11 AM

Bored and poking around on Youtube. You guys will probably dig this.

Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira's Highlight film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HmGcB6Vlc)

A random MMA HL reel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NtKBmvDFpg)

8 minutes of KOs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJeuGMkC_qA)

Palerider4146

06-14-2006, 08:43 AM

As much as I like the UFC, there is a talent pool problem, especially at the HW div. They are going to need to spend some money soon. One thing that may delay that is if the UFC waits to see what happens with the Pride situation. They just lost their main tv deal over some Jap mob scandal. I dont know what is in store longterm for them. The UFC has great name recognition, but they need to step it up a bit with recruiting. Rampage was a free agent and they didnt get him signed. Instead he joined I believe the WFA and they have an impressive card coming up.

av8rOC

06-14-2006, 06:14 PM

Rampage would have been a sweet addition to the LHW division. That article I posted just does a great job of exposing how shallow the talent pool in the UFC is.

Cromwell

06-16-2006, 04:13 PM

Dana White featured in this month's Playboy Magazine

Check out the July issue of Playboy (available now) for an insightful interview with Dana White In "20 Questions". Dana takes you behind-the-scenes of the hit television series The Ultimate Fighter, what he sees up ahead for the Ultimate Fighting Championship organization, what distinguishes a real warrior and why the UFC is crushing the competition!

Ever wonder what Dana thinks of Mike Tyson or the WWE? Interested in why Dana stopped fighting, or how he feels about his kids becoming fighters? Find out all this and more in this month's Playboy Magazine – on newsstands now. Pick up your copy today!

http://mm.ticketmaster.com/tmbrowseimages/zuffa%20llc/email//1PLAYBOYCOVER.JPG

av8rOC

06-16-2006, 04:26 PM

Another 2 lackluster fights last night.... Looks like the only guy with the ability to really compete in the UFC who made it to the finals is Mike Bisbing. Interested to see Matt Hamils fight that night as well.

novalia

06-16-2006, 04:34 PM

looks like Team Punishment picked up another sparring partner last night.

novalia

06-16-2006, 04:40 PM

Jimmy's Dignity

06-19-2006, 11:42 AM

it is a really good article. Dana comes across well in it. And Vida Guerra is naked in that issue too, so that's a win

av8rOC

06-19-2006, 01:41 PM

anyone have the transcript?

Standby

06-19-2006, 05:17 PM

it is a really good article. Dana comes across well in it. And Vida Guerra is naked in that issue too, so that's a win

Damn, as if the interview wasn't enough, el oh el. Didn't take Vida long to move from Maxim to Playboy. What's the over/under on her in Penthouse?

av8rOC

06-24-2006, 09:05 AM

TUF 3 Finale tonight:

Just in case you forgot the TUF3 finale is tonight, here is the card:

-Sam Stout Vs. Kenny Florian
(155lb main event, the winner of which fights Sean Sherk for the vacant LW title belt)

-Michael Bisping Vs. Josh Haynes
(LHW TUF final. IMO Bisping will have a nice future in the UFC)

-Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman
(MW TUF final. Personally I dont think either of them have what it takes to comete with the talent in the UFC and I think they both are deuchebags, but thats just me)

-Keith Jardine Vs. Wilson Gouveia

-Ross Pointon Vs. Rory Singer

-Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes

-Luigi Fioravanti Vs. Solomon Hutcherson

-Jesse Forbes Vs. Matt Hamill

-Wes Combs Vs. Mike Nickels

Probably only 4 fights will be broadcast. Bummer cause I was looking forward to seeing Matt Hamill fight. Not bad for a free card though.

Cromwell

06-24-2006, 01:30 PM

TUF 3 Finale tonight:

Just in case you forgot the TUF3 finale is tonight

I didn't. I've got the DVR all set up (since I at that time I will be at FH Rileys :) )

here is the card

-Sam Stout Vs. Kenny Florian
(155lb main event, the winner of which fights Sean Sherk for the vacant LW title belt)

Is Kenny Florian the guy with the slicing elbows? I like the fact that a guy can use weapons like that to overcome an otherwise outwardly appearing "more powerful" opponent.

-Michael Bisping Vs. Josh Haynes
(LHW TUF final. IMO Bisping will have a nice future in the UFC)

Yeah - Mike Bisbing turned out to be the real star of this seasons TUF. Funny that - early on - when Tito was ignoring him - he was all pissy and disagreeable. Well, in all honesty - we never got to see Bisbing and Olympic Wrestler deaf Matt go at it. *That* should have been the final.

-Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman
(MW TUF final. Personally I dont think either of them have what it takes to comete with the talent in the UFC and I think they both are deuchebags, but thats just me)

Agreed. They're both a couple of DB's.

-Ross Pointon Vs. Rory Singer

Wow. I didn't know *these* guys were going to fight. Here we have a classic "banger" (Pointon) vs the more developed ju jitsu guy (Singer). I'm very curious about this one.

-Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes

Danny seems out of his league, but will Kalib quit again?

-Jesse Forbes Vs. Matt Hamill

Wow. Matt *is* back. Poor Jesse - he's going to get his ass kicked *again*. :icon_mrgr

-Wes Combs Vs. Mike Nickels

Don't know who Wes Combs is. Nickels is that tatoo guy.

Probably only 4 fights will be broadcast. Bummer cause I was looking forward to seeing Matt Hamill fight. Not bad for a free card though.

Yeah, not bad. But I too would like to see Hamill fight.

circpro

06-24-2006, 11:39 PM

TUF 3 Finale tonight:

-Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman
(MW TUF final. Personally I dont think either of them have what it takes to comete with the talent in the UFC and I think they both are deuchebags, but thats just me)

I don't know, that was a great fight...but did Dana really have to pull that twist out...

Kid Brock

06-25-2006, 12:38 AM

I don't know, that was a great fight...but did Dana really have to pull that twist out...

Yeah, not nearly as close as Forrest vs Stephon was. I say the judges got it right and Kendall should of got the only contract.

av8rOC

06-25-2006, 04:17 AM

Agreed. Not nearly as warrented as the Bonner/Griffen fight, but still a great fight. After dogging the two of them I have to say, I was impressed with the fighters who showed up tonight.
All in all another great TUF finale and considering the price a great night of MMA. The Jardine fight was a war, and although I would have liked to see Hamill fight tonight I was pleasantly surprised with that undercard matchup. Kenny Florian looked sharp as hell and I am looking foward to the Sherk/Florian fight for the vacant LW belt. How about the signing of Jens Pulver!

sinAtra

06-25-2006, 06:54 AM

. . . the Pride situation. They just lost their main tv deal over some Jap mob scandal. I dont know what is in store longterm for them.

Friends in Japan say the "yakuza" angle, tho' probably true, is just a face-saving way to say no to Pride's price demands . . . my sources say "Pride will be back" but what do I know - I'm in America.

When I was over there, peeps would stay up 'til midnight with huge silver bottles of some shitty beer, twenty or thirty to a house out in the Japanese countryside, watching and betting and hooting and brawling. Pride should have filmed it - young and old, all colors, salaryman and karaoke bar jockeys and a surprising amount of women. Pride brings people together.

HerkyJerkyLiz

06-25-2006, 11:32 AM

those fights went exactly how i thought they would. i was kind of annoyed that ed got a contract too. not because i dont think he deserves it but do it another time.. the point of the show is to have 1 ufc winner to get a contract at the end. i think it kind of takes away from kendals win.

d0uche_n0zzle

06-25-2006, 11:36 AM

Tito is going to destroy Shamrock. Hope Ken has retirement plans, and coaching shouldn't be one of them.

StickyKeyboard

06-25-2006, 11:53 AM

Kid Brock

06-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Yeah they showed "deaf" Matt because they had 12 minutes to fill after the Florian fight. I was hoping they would show it and he looked pretty decent. (fighting that is no homo)

Cybouncer

06-25-2006, 02:04 PM

The Hamill fight wasn't even close. I thought Jesse would put up a better fight than that. I am not a big Hamill fan, but he looked real good tonight.

I agree with Liz. Ed should have got a contract, but at a later time. He looked real good last night but I wasn't impressed with him at all during TUF3.

Bisping showed that he was probably the best fighter to come out of season 3. I didn't really expect that because he was such a bitch early on in the season crying all the time because Matt was getting all of the attention. Josh is a tough son of a bitch, but he needs to work on his technical skills. You can't always just stand there and throw in today's MMA.

Florian is an animal. He is going to dominate @ 155.

TDRacing13

06-25-2006, 09:55 PM

Josh is tough as hell, and he has allot of heart. The big problem with josh is he opens himself up for allot of submisions. If he was fighting a seasoned veteran the first time he opened his back he would have been choked out. Bisping just couldnt get it cinched in tight enough

Digital_Trauma

06-25-2006, 10:49 PM

I'm glad Ed got beat, with all his "I'm the best looking guy here and the toughest . . . ." crap. I just wish it wasn't Kendall who beat him. I lost a lot of respect for Kendall when he turned his back on his team to help his "Team Homo/Dagger" buddy Solomon. After a little buildup, I think Bisping v. Hamill will be a great fight somewhere down the road. I was impressed by Florian, he crushed that Stout guy.

Palerider4146

06-26-2006, 10:50 AM

Bisping has some potential in the UFC. In regards to Josh, I really cant wait to see him at 170, that's 35 pounds lighter. He may very well be an animal at that division. He is a great pounder and from what it looks like, he is well versed in subs. I really want to see him kick the shit out of Nick Diaz and I think he would beat Diego as well.

Kendall did a real nice job, and deserved the win. It definetely wasnt as close as Bonner/Griffin. Ed deserves to be in the UFC, but not like that. Let him earn his way in like Leben.

KFlo, looked real good also, and the LWs should be real interesting. I'm still disappointed that the UFC didnt think to do TUF4 with the LWs. They could have gotten 16 lws in a house and let the two left standing compete for the vacant title. Oh well, what do I know.

I like Matt, but Chuck would knock him the fuck out with his low hand defense. He needs to get his hands up better.

Also, Randy, along with Bas Rutten is opening a new gym in SoCal, it's called Legends gym . Mayhem, Eddie Bravo, Rob Kaman among others. There prices are real steep, but they will attract a lot of celeb types. Unfortuantely the regular fighter probably couldnt afford the $250 month. MFS I believe only charges $100 month( big difference between Socal and Iowa).
My question is, is Randy leaving Quest. At best his involvement has to come down from wherever it is at right now.

Also, Josh and Ed both made mention of Team Quest being the hub of MMA in north America. Is it really Josh, is it? MFS has to be "the place" to learn right now. American Top Team also has to top Quest. Any thoughts.

novalia

06-26-2006, 10:57 AM

fuck i had in-laws over and totally forgot about this... my TIVO probably didnt catch it because they most likely used "Ultimate Fight Night"....

FUCK

av8rOC

06-26-2006, 11:13 AM

fuck i had in-laws over and totally forgot about this... my TIVO probably didnt catch it because they most likely used "Ultimate Fight Night"....

FUCK

nope. It recorded on mine no problem. It was titled as another edition of the The Ultimate FIghter.:action-sm

novalia

06-26-2006, 12:27 PM

argh... well it is replaying tonight so i am happy..
dont mind me... after a wknd of inlaws i am close to killing myself...
passive aggression makes me aggressive =)

Flea_Man

06-26-2006, 01:19 PM

Ortiz is going to destroy Shamrock at UFC 61.

av8rOC

06-26-2006, 02:21 PM

argh... well it is replaying tonight so i am happy..
dont mind me... after a wknd of inlaws i am close to killing myself...
passive aggression makes me aggressive =)

I must not have made myself clear. It did in fact record as just another TUF episode on my DVR.

novalia

06-26-2006, 03:23 PM

yeah i got ya..
my FIL probably stopped it from recording or something...

Cromwell

06-26-2006, 10:19 PM

Yeah, I enjoyed all the fights.

But - one thing nobody's mentioned . . .

the fact that if Matt Hamill didn't have to do that hospital time - it would have been Matt vs Bisbing.

Any thoughts on who would take that fight right now?

Its the fight Bisbing really wanted - and Matt's superior wrestling skills means he have Bisbing down on the ground.

But could he pull off the same kind of ground-and-pound that he did on Jesse?

av8rOC

06-26-2006, 10:30 PM

Good fight, I will take Bisping. He is much more rounded and Matt is just getting started in MMA.
Dont be surprised to see this fight in the next few months.

StickyKeyboard

06-27-2006, 12:11 AM

I wasn't that impressed with Matt. He needs alot more experience. The fight he had on the show vs Mike was really sloppy (I know he was injured). Bisping seems to be alot more well rounded. I loved the flying knee he hit Pointon with. Matt seemed to have some submission opportunties in his fight the other night which he didn't take.

askewcore

06-27-2006, 02:20 AM

Palerider4146

06-27-2006, 11:43 AM

Is Jens Pulver gonna make a return to the UFC ring? He fought not too long ago in Pride as a replacement fighter and he did pretty fucking good. Since he was announcing during the Florian/Stout match, I assume he's back under UFC contract. Bring Back LITTLE EVIL

First of all congrats to the MMA thread for getting made a sticky.

Yes Jens Pulver is under UFC contract, it was announced on the UFC website and on the finale of TUF.

novalia

06-27-2006, 11:56 AM

i wasnt impressed with matt either.. he leads with his face and his punching has no POP.. sure you can kick someone's ass that cant defend himself but anyone with a little defense isnt going to get hit.. and he is going to get pummeled in his next fight if he doesnt keep his hands up... he is a walking upper cut knockout...

also his ground game was pretty crappy.. he didnt pass the guard at all when it was there..

it just seems like he has no brain... he doesnt think at all out there.

av8rOC

06-27-2006, 11:59 AM

Shit yeah, sticky! Second only in popularity to the Yankees thread. Nice.

Why dont the boys talk about MMA on the show again?

askewcore

06-27-2006, 11:59 AM

Alot of wrestlers really bore me in MMA. Like that black kid with blonde hair from the 1st TUF, all he did was get mount and then hold the position. He never really went for subs or tried to G&P people.

Deaf Matt I think was really over-rated. I think he would knocked the fuck out by a solid striker. Plus, everytime he gets hit he needs to go to the hospital like a punk.

Why dont the boys talk about MMA on the show again?

I think they'll need Rogan back on before they do. Plus, Op doesnt seem to dig it. But Jimmy seems like he's sort of a fan.

av8rOC

06-27-2006, 12:05 PM

So does anyone give Leben a chance tomorrow night? Really looking forward to that fight.

novalia

06-27-2006, 12:09 PM

Leben wins

askewcore

06-27-2006, 12:09 PM

So does anyone give Leben a chance tomorrow night? Really looking forward to that fight.

Since he's come around, I been really down on him, but he keeps winning, its hard to doubt him. That being said, if he beats Anderson Silva, I'll be verrrrry impressed.

Anyone know who this guy is:
Kristian Rothaermel
He's 40-4 in MMA, and I dont think I know him. I hate that.

Josh Koshcheck (I didnt know his name in the last post, just saw him on the UFC site) knocked out Mirko? When/where?...wait a sec, did you think I was talking about Randleman?

Kid Brock

06-27-2006, 12:48 PM

Since he's come around, I been really down on him, but he keeps winning, its hard to doubt him. That being said, if he beats Anderson Silva, I'll be verrrrry impressed.

Anyone know who this guy is:
Kristian Rothaermel
He's 40-4 in MMA, and I dont think I know him. I hate that.

Josh Koshcheck (I didnt know his name in the last post, just saw him on the UFC site) knocked out Mirko? When/where?...wait a sec, did you think I was talking about Randleman?

Isn't that the Kristian from this seasons TUF?

novalia

06-27-2006, 12:57 PM

Josh Koshcheck (I didnt know his name in the last post, just saw him on the UFC site) knocked out Mirko? When/where?...wait a sec, did you think I was talking about Randleman?

haha yes i was way too fast and didnt see your TUF reference =)

Cromwell

06-28-2006, 04:01 PM

Standby

06-28-2006, 06:55 PM

Ah, congrats on this being made a sticky. Can't wait for tonight's fights. We're into a fucking great few weeks of MMA coming up, like someone said, with UFC in two weeks and Pride this weekend.

I really want to see Leben win, and hopefully by then he'll make it to a PPV like he should be in already. But I guess he's being the good company man and taking these free TV fights and of course, the publicity doesn't hurt.

Palerider4146

06-28-2006, 08:21 PM

Kristian has 40 MMA wins?

Against who?

He got his ass handed to him on TUF. Then he didn't want to fight when they offered him back in.

Psyched for tonight, though!

http://mm.ticketmaster.com/tmbrowseimages/zuffa%20llc/email//UFN5_EMAIL_TOP.JPG

Should be some good fights tonight. I'm very suprised that Dana gave Kristian a fight. After backing down when given the chance to get back in, and considering he sucked moose cock through his ass, I didnt expect him in the UFC.

As for Leben, win or lose he deserves a PPV fight next. He has been the good company man paying his penance for his TUF actions. He has looked very impressive except for his last win against Fioravanti.

novalia

06-29-2006, 12:22 AM

wow good night.. rashad owned bonnar.. good i hate that slow ass ufc golden boy..

leban got owned hard.. luke really surprised me.. i thought he had more.. how in hell didnt he get that choke.. he had an anaconda and the choke and the guy just pulled his hands together.. he also should have stopped him when he "rocked" him in the 2nd round..

rogan's new phrase "for sure"... man i thought that phrase died with tito...

the louisina kid looked weak and weak...

jorge put up a good fight and deserves another fight in the ufc..

overall good night.. great acquisition getting silva.. that guy fights everywhere.. i hope they locked him up for a few fights....

we didnt see Josh Koscheck who scored a decision.. probably laid on the guy for 3 rounds.....

here are all the fights:
Match Winner Loser Method Round Time
1 Jorge Santiago Justin Levens KO (Knee) 1 2:13
2 Rob MacDonald Kris Rotharmel Submission (Armbar) 1 4:01
3 Jon Fitch Thiago Alves TKO (Strikes) 2 4:37
4 Jason Lambert Branden Lee Hinkle TKO (Referee Stoppage) 1 5:00
5 Josh Koscheck Dave Menne Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
6 Mark Hominick Jorge Gurgel Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
7 Rashad Evans Stephan Bonnar Decision (Majority) 3 5:00
8 Anderson Silva Chris Leben KO (Knee) 1 0:49
9 Jonathan Goulet Luke Cummo Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00

Papagolash

06-29-2006, 01:39 AM

Best part of that night was when Rogan said that one ref should be shot.

av8rOC

06-29-2006, 10:16 AM

He had a point though. Who in the world saw the Rashad/Bonner fight a draw??

My favorite part was Leben talking about how he was going to knock Silva out and send him back to Japan where there is less comptetion. Less that a minute later he gets his ass handed to him...hahahahahaha

Standby

06-29-2006, 10:58 AM

It's a shame Leben got outclassed like he did. He was done right when the match kicked off. He's got talent though, so hopefully that won't hurt him too much. All I read about this Silva guy is how he's so dominating. Maybe if they give him a few big fights like that, he can be a decent challenger for Franklin's belt. Other than heavyweight, that division really could use some rejuvenation, in a challenge to the champ that won't end in a sick looking knockout (a la Quarry).

Best part of that night was when Rogan said that one ref should be shot.

Don't forget, Rogan also mentioned that he liked the Shaft. And we can call back the shirtless grappling to the sounds of Gangsta Fag.

No homo.

novalia

06-29-2006, 01:31 PM

for sure

av8rOC

06-29-2006, 02:51 PM

I'd love to see Silva vs. Loiseau

askewcore

06-29-2006, 03:34 PM

I'd love to see Silva vs. Loiseau

Ooh, I second that. That would be a really good fight. Is Silva locked up with UFC?

av8rOC

06-29-2006, 03:41 PM

Ooh, I second that. That would be a really good fight. Is Silva locked up with UFC?

yep:clap:

av8rOC

06-29-2006, 03:48 PM

Just a rumour, but MMA weekly is saying Franklins first fight back will be against Silva:
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/rumors.asp?articleid=2292&zoneid=14

locallounge

06-29-2006, 05:06 PM

Palerider4146

06-29-2006, 05:12 PM

Just a rumour, but MMA weekly is saying Franklins first fight back will be against Silva:
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/rumors.asp?articleid=2292&zoneid=14

Hmmm, that could be possibile, Leben had a shot had he not gotten owned like that. I believe Franklin wont be back to the end of the year, so that gives a shot for Silva/Loiseau first. Any other MWs deserve a shot?

Cromwell

06-29-2006, 05:24 PM

Yeah, I thought it was a very entertaining night of fights as well.

Though just about everyone I was rooting for got beat.

I wanted Jorge to win - but he didn't play to his strength. He kept it a stand-up fight - but if you are a Brazilian Ju Jitsu black belt - you should be doing all you can to take the fight down to the ground. He didn't. He wanted to show off his stand-up skills (which, to his credit, are pretty good) - but he got bit on the ass when he lost a close decision. I agree that he deserves another fight, though.

Its interesting that the better wrestler overall won all the fights. Rashad over Bonner. I always root against Rashad - and he always wins. I haven't liked him since TUF 2 - when he hot-dogged it and pissed off coach Hughes (you don't do that to coach Hughes). But I will give Evans credit - he dropped down in weight and totally dominated Bonner.

The same for Goulet-Cuomo. I wanted Luke to win bad (for Long Island, dammit) - but he spent most of the match on his back - fighting the better wrestler off. When Luke *did* make stand-up contact - he nearly knocked him out. But unlike Silva - he failed to pounce and take advantage when he had his opponent rocked. Then - he had that rear-naked choke - and couldn't finish it. Much like Ed vs Kendall - somehow the guy getting choked was able to fend it off.

Yeah, the big surprise was Leben just getting his bell rug. First the kick to the temple stunned him - then Silva just pounced with deadly accuracy - with solid shots to the chin. Leben never had a chance. He was sent to sleepy town.

I now would love to see Rich the Scholarly Animal Franklin take him on. It looks like Franklins hand is no longer in any kind of cast or bandage. How long before he'll be back in the octagon?

Overall, a decent night of fights.

HerkyJerkyLiz

06-29-2006, 05:42 PM

the leben fight was just embarrasing.. poor fella. i still <3 him..

askewcore

06-29-2006, 06:18 PM

Wtf was Leben talking about, saying he was going to send Silva back to Japan, where the competition is weaker?:rolleyes:
Japan has some great fighters, and a better overall talent pool that U.S. Leben would be a mid-card chump over there.

I think he was just trying to pump UFC up. Either that, or he's fucking delusional. And you're right about him being a chump in Japan. He was so far outclassed by Silva and while Anderson is a very good fighter in Japan, he's not a main event guy, and he made Leben look silly.

I love when people who talk alot of shit get humbled..

Oh, me too. I never liked Leben since TUF 1 when he went outside and cried because he lost.

I'm liking this Mark Hominick kid. I was really impressed with him after he beat down Yves, and he has really fucking good standup and, as he showed against Yves, his ground game isnt bad either. I didnt like that he was turning and running from Gurgel last night, but his wanting to keep the fight standing was a good gameplan. I dont know why the fans booed him so hard for winning, I guess because they know Jorge from the TV show, I thought he won the first two rounds easy, and the third round was close.

I also heard rumors of BJ Penn moving to lightweight and having a re-match against Jens Pulver, I like the sound of that.

av8rOC

06-29-2006, 07:50 PM

anyone know where to find the Leben/Silva fight online? I dont see it on youtube yet.

Cromwell

06-30-2006, 07:52 AM

anyone know where to find the Leben/Silva fight online? I dont see it on youtube yet.

You didn't watch it live? :icon_eek:

Also - its was only a minute :icon_mrgr

Seriously - I can't believe how Leben left himself open like that. I think he took Silva waaaay too lightly. Its like - he wasn't protecting himself at all. Got rocked - then pummelled.

I'm still pissed that Luke couldn't close out Goulet with the RNC. Two weeks in a row that somebody slipped out of that move. Matt Hughes never lets that baby go. More time in the weightroom Luke!

Goulet has really benefitted by working with George St. Pierre. His ground control was excellent.

Can we please get a Matt Hughes v. GSP match already?

I want to see if this Canadian has improved his skills enough to actually beat the Mighty Hughes.

(but I don't think he will. Matt is still too strong/smart/determined to lose - at least now. A few years from now? Sure, its possible).

askewcore

06-30-2006, 09:16 AM

Can we please get a Matt Hughes v. GSP match already?

I thought they already set that fight up for the next PPV. (After Arlovski/Silva 3 and stupid Ortiz/Shamrock 2 that no one really cares about) Am I wrong?

novalia

06-30-2006, 09:44 AM

and stupid Ortiz/Shamrock 2 that no one really cares about) Am I wrong?

i care.. i want to see tito beat ken's face some more.

askewcore

06-30-2006, 09:49 AM

i care.. i want to see tito beat ken's face some more.

But do you think they really deserve top billing over Sylvia/Arlovski? Ken and Tito are both washed up, neither of them interest me at all anymore

novalia

06-30-2006, 09:52 AM

askewcore

06-30-2006, 10:47 AM

let's be real honest here.. there arent many people in the ufc you really want to see fight.. every card they introduce you to a bunch of guys in their "octagon debut".. enough already lets get a tournament together or something.. let's build a brand with some faces we can relate to... i am sick of all the new faces..

Good point sir, good point. They should definitly bring back the tournament style. That was always much more compelling, and it encouraged the guys to finish the fight as soon as they could. I'm thinking the reason they got away from it is because it holds the potential for serious injury, but thats just an idea, I have no reason or proof to think that.

That's also another reason I like Pride more than UFC, they have alot more quality fighters, enough where they can make 3 or 4 good matches on a card and not have to bring back old, washed up guys (ie Tito, Shamrock, Royce) I wonder when Dan The Beast is gonna be making his octagon debut...:icon_roll

av8rOC

06-30-2006, 12:46 PM

Matt Huges GSP 2 is September 23 @ UFC 63.

I have also read that Ortiz/Lidell is tenatively scheduled for superbowl weekend providing Tito beats ken and Chuck beats babalu.

Just a bunch more rematches on the horizon which IMO just exposes the lack of top level fighters in the UFC. Dont get me wrong though, GSP definitely deserves another shot, as does Babalu.

av8rOC

06-30-2006, 12:49 PM

Good point sir, good point. They should definitly bring back the tournament style. That was always much more compelling, and it encouraged the guys to finish the fight as soon as they could. I'm thinking the reason they got away from it is because it holds the potential for serious injury, but thats just an idea, I have no reason or proof to think that.

That's also another reason I like Pride more than UFC, they have alot more quality fighters, enough where they can make 3 or 4 good matches on a card and not have to bring back old, washed up guys (ie Tito, Shamrock, Royce) I wonder when Dan The Beast is gonna be making his octagon debut...:icon_roll

I know they cant get sanctioned by the states atletic comission for a tourney with multiple fights per night. I would think they could do a tourney over the course of a few months if they wanted, but Im not sure.

novalia

06-30-2006, 12:50 PM

I have also read that Ortiz/Lidell is tenatively scheduled for superbowl weekend providing Tito beats ken and Chuck beats babalu.

this is a good rematch.. it is so widely believed that chuck dominated tito but the spark that created chuck's dominance was a thumb in the eye to tito that he took advantage of by storming him...

novalia

06-30-2006, 12:51 PM

I know they cant get sanctioned by the states atletic comission for a tourney with multiple fights per night. I would think they could do a tourney over the course of a few months if they wanted, but Im not sure.

yeah like pride does.. they have 16 fight one night then 8 a few months later and then a few months after that they have semi final and final in the same night.

askewcore

06-30-2006, 01:01 PM

yeah like pride does.. they have 16 fight one night then 8 a few months later and then a few months after that they have semi final and final in the same night.

the OWGP is a fucking great idea. God Bless those Japs and their lack of saftey concerns.

Standby

06-30-2006, 06:04 PM

the OWGP is a fucking great idea. God Bless those Japs and their lack of saftey concerns.

Pride's got this idea right, but to be honest, the majority of the OWGP 16 fighters were all in the HW/LHW class anyway. It wasn't really like you had a Welterweight fighting at guy at 260. But still, it's a great idea that UFC doesn't seem to have the depth to do. Not to mention it ties up champions from having title fights.

Effectively, The Ultimate Fighter has become that same tournament, with a reality show spin. I'd love to see UFC take a weight class or two and have the undercard of their PPVs be tournament matches, building up to someone previously mid-card, now deserving of a title shot.

The gap between fresh-out-of-TUF and top stars in UFC is really startling, and slowly that gap will be bridged. For now, though, it's gonna be a lot of rematches...

novalia

06-30-2006, 06:20 PM

another thing i like about pride is how not EVERY single fight a champ has is a title fight.. so you see them more often... they'll fight some new guy or a schlub or a mid ranked guy to stay sharp without risk to his belt.. the guys that get the title shot really earn it... in the US we are title fight hungry.. there are too many schmos that get title shots...

the UFCs best guys just dont fight often enough.. and this is the difference between how pride has built a brand and how the ufc is still a few steps behind..

i've been watching all of the UFCs and all of the Prides on DVD and this one of the reasons i like pride more... even when they introduce a new guy to pride he fights someone you've already seen.. hell Shoji has fought in like 80% of the prides...

askewcore

06-30-2006, 06:35 PM

Pride's got this idea right, but to be honest, the majority of the OWGP 16 fighters were all in the HW/LHW class anyway. It wasn't really like you had a Welterweight fighting at guy at 260.

Yeah, you're right. For the most part they were close in weight, I think one reason they did that was to allow the four point strikes. In the two fights that had big weight difference (TK vs. Hunt, TK is like 210 and Hunt is around 300 and Nogiera vs. Zuluzino, Nogs is 230 and Zulu is 400) they were giving the lighter guy a choice one whether he wanted to allow them or not. Either way though, it was creative and generated some good buzz and interest. I think since Pride is one of the bigger sports in Japan, especially compared to UFC here, they try to keep things fresh alot more over there.

Cybouncer

06-30-2006, 07:28 PM

But do you think they really deserve top billing over Sylvia/Arlovski? Ken and Tito are both washed up, neither of them interest me at all anymore

I agree with you about Shamrock being washed up but Tito can still brawl.

I have a whole new respect for him after this season's TUF.

av8rOC

07-01-2006, 12:28 PM

I think the UFC is trying, and I give them credit for the recent explosion of interest in MMA. Aparently its going to continue, as there is a rumour of a big HBO deal on the horizon.
Pride has great depth, especially at HW. They have 5 HW's that could put Silvia/AA to shame. At the same time the UFC has 4 or 5 WW's that are better than anyone in Japan. I think Dana needs to continue bringing new talent over such as Anderson Silva. If they could score at least one of the big HW's from pride it would be another great move.
Bottom line is it is a good time to be a fan of MMA. Pride, K1, UFC, IFL, whatever. Im enjoying it.

Cromwell

07-01-2006, 09:05 PM

Matt Huges GSP 2 is September 23 @ UFC 63.

Cool. Looking forward to that.

Hey - check this out. As a guy who trains on Long Island myself (but at a different dojo) - I'm most interested in this development:

'Ultimate Fighter' gets Long Island accent
BY HANK WINNICKI
Newsday Staff Writer

June 29, 2006, 8:37 PM EDT

Don't call it a comeback, even if that's what they're calling it. Matt Serra hasn't gone anywhere. He's been beating up people for years.

The cast for season four of Spike TV's "The Ultimate Fighter" reality series was announced Wednesday night and it has a distinctly Long Island flavor. Serra, from East Meadow, is competing as a welterweight, and one of his top students -- Bay Shore's Pete Sell -- will be in the middleweight division.

Previous seasons were comprised of up-and-coming fighters who had never been tested in the UFC's octagon. Some wilted while others rose to the occasion. The new twist is a cast of former UFC fighters who, for one reason or another, never had their title shot. The winner of the show, which premieres Aug. 17, gets to fight for the belt.

"They told me the gist of the show," Serra says, "and I said I'd love to do it. The winner gets a $100,000 contract, so of course I'm going to go for it."

Serra is 4-4 in UFC bouts with an aggressive, attacking style that never fails to entertain. Last June, he lost a three-round decision to Karo Parisyan but came close to knocking him out in the first round.

Serra, the first American black belt under Renzo Gracie, is also well-known for his two Brazilian Jiu Jitsu academies – one in East Meadow and the other in Huntington. He runs the schools with his brother Nick, who also fought in the UFC. Season two's Luke Cummo (New Hyde Park), who lost a three-round decision Wednesday to Jonathan Goulet, gives the school four fighters with UFC experience. Serra also has a gold medal from the Pan Am games on his resume.

The reality series has brought a flood of new fans to the UFC. But it probably hasn't been easy for veteran fighters to sit back and watch the reality show fighters get all the attention.

"There are other guys out there who are more popular than myself because of the show," Serra says. "I saw this as an opportunity to show my skills. And if I do well, it will help my schools."

"I don't want to take anything away from the other reality show guys," Sell says. "But I'll be walking down the Las Vegas strip, and all the fans flock to them. I got to the UFC the hard way. Some guys on the show weren't that good. They could fight a little, but their heart wasn't in it. They just wanted to be on TV."

The series has been a way for fans to see what the fighters are like outside the octagon. It's also a good look at how hard they have to train to compete at this level. But the show forces fighters to be trapped in a house unable to contact the outside world. That's enough to break even the toughest guys.

"I just turned 32," Serra says, "and I had to celebrate it in the house with a bunch of monsters. But I made the best of it. The guys in the house were really focused."

The other fighters in the house are middleweights Patrick Cote, Edwin Dewees, Travis Lutter, Charles McCarthy, Gideon Ray, Jorge Rivera, Scott Smith and welterweights Mikey Burnett, Shonie Carter, Rich Clementi, Jeremy Jackson, Chris Lytle, Pete Spratt and Din Thomas.

"I feel like I did a bid," Sell says. "I feel like I did some jail time. It was like country club jail time. But it makes you think about all the time you waste watching TV and playing video games. Coming home from this, I have a different outlook on life."

Sell got his first shot in UFC 51 against another Long Islander, Phil Baroni.

"That was my career-changing moment," the 23-year-old said. "I took the fight on short notice and I beat him."

But Sell suffered a setback against season one reality star Nate Quarry. Sell lost the fight by TKO after just 42 seconds of the first round.

"The Nate fight was a premature stoppage," Sell says. "It is what it is. He caught me with a shot. It was one of those flash knockdowns. My butt hit the floor and I saw the other punch coming and I knew I had to eat it. I was okay, but the ref stopped the fight."

Serra feels it's a loss Sell will overcome.

"Pete's tough as nails," Serra says. "For every bad break, a new door opens up. And this one opened for him."

Opening doors is something Sell knows about. On weekends, he is a bouncer at some popular L.I. clubs such as Posh in the Garden City Hotel.

"I have to work until I make enough money in this sport," Sell says. "It'd be great to just train without all the distractions."

Sell is often referred to by his nickname "Drago," which he picked up because, you guessed it, he looks like Dolph Lundgren's character from Rocky IV. "I've had this nickname since I was 14 years old. I used to hate it, but eventually it stuck. Now people chant it at my fights."

Sell went to St. John the Baptist High School in West Islip, but admits he was a bit of a troublemaker back then. But that was before he found Serra jiu jitsu.

"Matt showed me the right way," Sell says. "And look at me now."

*****

Also - here are the coaches:

Assisting these vets in training will be UFC hall of famer Randy Couture and top welterweight contender Georges St. Pierre.

av8rOC

07-02-2006, 09:10 AM

I wonder where his Huntington dojo is?

Cromwell

07-02-2006, 11:25 AM

I wonder where his Huntington dojo is?

Yeah, I'm trying to find that one, as well as the East Meadow one. I'd like to drop by see it for myself. East Meadow is just one town over from where I live.

Not having any luck doing a Google search, however.

Anybody else know?

Here's a picture of Serra from Sherdog:

http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/260.jpg

Cybouncer

07-02-2006, 12:50 PM

Yeah, I'm trying to find that one, as well as the East Meadow one. I'd like to drop by see it for myself. East Meadow is just one town over from where I live.

Not having any luck doing a Google search, however.

Anybody else know?

I don't know about the Huntington one but I have worked out at his East Meadow location a few times. It is right on the south side of Hempstead turnpike, just West of the Wantagh Parkway. It's a small place but there are some really great fighters working out there.

Cromwell

07-02-2006, 07:38 PM

I don't know about the Huntington one but I have worked out at his East Meadow location a few times. It is right on the south side of Hempstead turnpike, just West of the Wantagh Parkway. It's a small place but there are some really great fighters working out there.

Thanks for the info, Cybouncer.

Yeah, I'm sure there are quality guys training there. Its never been about the size of the room, anyway.

I'm going to take a ride by and see if I can pick up a class schedule, and whatnot.

Cybouncer

07-03-2006, 09:28 AM

Yeah, I'm sure there are quality guys training there. Its never been about the size of the room, anyway.

This is very true.

Let me know what the current rates are there.

av8rOC

07-03-2006, 10:10 AM

Anyone catch the second round of the OWGP last night?

Palerider4146

07-03-2006, 01:48 PM

I wonder where his Huntington dojo is?

It's on Jericho Tpke not far from Oakwood if I remember correctly. It's in a small shopping center. He's got a small octagon in there.

Standby

07-05-2006, 11:02 AM

Anyone catch the second round of the OWGP last night?

No, and usually I watch a stream of it but I lost cable/internet for the night because of a stupid power outage in Arlington. Power came back on at 10:30, but no internet til the next day when I mooched off my neighbors' wireless. The fights sounded good too, I'm upset I missed it.

All the same, time to head to my usual spot next weekend for UFC. Can't wait.

av8rOC

07-05-2006, 09:22 PM

novalia

07-05-2006, 11:49 PM

i just watched UFC 51 on dvd tonight and saw the weirdest thing.. during the night they kept flashing to chuck liddell.. to me it looked like chuck was hitting the bullet one too many times.. he looked a little crazed all night.. a crazed look in his eyes and he kept rubbing his nose..

in between the 2nd and 3rd round of the ortiz/belfort fight they replayed tito almost getting pounded out and they flashed to chuck and he looked totally fucked up gyrating back and forth and kept rubbing his nose.. even rogan said what is chuck doing - "he looks like he's drugged" then quickly catches himself and says "is he drunk? what is he doing?"

then after the fight tito said he wanted to fight chuck after he hopefully beats couture and chuck freaks out and runs into the ring to jabber at tito.. it was a little out of character for chuck who is usually a pretty mellow guy at fights or interviews...

there is little doubt in my mind that chuck was faily coked up..
if anyone has this dvd check it out.

Standby

07-06-2006, 10:23 AM

Looking forward to it to as well. I feel so confident in Tito I am thinking of betting. (Which I never do) Prob is I need to put $600 down to make $100!

If you like do a search on www.youtube.com for OWGP and you can catch most, if not all the fights. All the ones I saw were pretty entertaining.
When the finals are shown you have to send me a link to the stream, if thats cool with you...

Thanks, will definitely check out Youtube... The stream I use does cost money though. It's www.streamtvnow.com, but it's only 3 bucks and change a month, and you get the wrestling, UFC, Pride, all the PPVs, plays out of your winamp. I highly recommend.

av8rOC

07-06-2006, 10:45 AM

Thanks, will definitely check out Youtube... The stream I use does cost money though. It's www.streamtvnow.com (http://www.streamtvnow.com), but it's only 3 bucks and change a month, and you get the wrestling, UFC, Pride, all the PPVs, plays out of your winamp. I highly recommend.

Thats pretty cool. decent quality?

Standby

07-06-2006, 04:54 PM

Thats pretty cool. decent quality?

Yeah, it plays in Winamp, so check out what you need to install for Winamp. But it works really well. I've watched Pride PPVs on it mostly, since I go to a nearby bar for UFC.. more fun to watch it with a bunch of people screaming around you.

It buffers rarely on occasion, but not often at all. I think it's maybe buffered during the ECW PPV once, maybe twice the whole time.

EDIT: One thing to be mindful of, they usually take Paypal. And Paypal takes some time to move money, depending on how you do it. So purchase ahead of time just to be safe. (I use my checking account in Paypal and it takes a few days to clear.)

av8rOC

07-07-2006, 07:41 PM

My picks for tomorrow...

Tim Sylvia Vs. Andrei Arlovski

AA regains the belt: Ref stoppage strikes rnd 2

Tito Ortiz Vs. Ken Shamrock

Ortiz: Ref stoppage brutal GnP round 1

Dan Christison Vs. Frank Mir

Mir: submission round 2

Josh Burkman Vs. Josh Neer

Burkman via decision

Yves Edwards Vs. Joe Stevenson

Edwards via decision

Drew Fickett Vs. Kurt Pellegrino

Fickett: round 1 submission

Jeff Monson Vs. Anthony Perosh

Monson: round 2 KO

Cromwell

07-08-2006, 03:40 PM

there is little doubt in my mind that chuck was faily coked up.

I find that hard to believe.

This guy is too good of an athlete - and trains way to hard to succumb to an addiction like that. He'd get his ass knocked out in the ring (not the other way around - like it usually is) if he was a "druggie".

The only "drug" Chuck is on - is "Xyience"

locallounge

07-08-2006, 04:04 PM

Cybouncer

07-08-2006, 04:14 PM

I find that hard to believe.

This guy is too good of an athlete - and trains way to hard to succumb to an addiction like that. He'd get his ass knocked out in the ring (not the other way around - like it usually is) if he was a "druggie".

The only "drug" Chuck is on - is "Xyience"

Don't be naive.

L.T. was a great athlete.

Dwight Gooden was a great athlete.

Micheal Irving was a great athlete.

All 3 were coked out of their mind.

Him being a coke head, would not mean that he is going to get knocked out.

av8rOC

07-08-2006, 07:06 PM

What an ass Tito is... When Ken weighed in, he came in at 206...which is within the limit for a Non-Title fight. Tito proceeded to get pissed and throw a fit...then when he weighed in himself...the motherfucker came in heavier than Ken did.
Doh!:action-sm

I saw that... Tito looked like his old center of attention/main event self while Ken looked uncharacteristically poised. Im excited for the fight. I was pissed at first, but Dana is one hell of a businessman. Kens still getting a horrific beating though:action-sm

Cybouncer

07-08-2006, 07:53 PM

I missed it. Where can it be found? I checked YouTube and nothing...

I don't give a shit. I hope Tito punishes him worse than ever. I am so sick and tired of Shamrock and you really saw his true colors on TUF3. He doesn't care about anybody but himself.

av8rOC

07-08-2006, 10:06 PM

www.ufc.com for the weigh in video.

circpro

07-08-2006, 11:28 PM

Big Daddy Joe......

locallounge

07-09-2006, 12:51 AM

Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva!!! Holy S!

HerkyJerkyLiz

07-09-2006, 01:32 AM

the ortiz shamrock fight was bullshit. other than all the blood gushing out of that black guys head the fights were uneventful. i left before the sylvia arlovski fight.. boo on this ppv.

circpro

07-09-2006, 01:53 AM

the ortiz shamrock fight was bullshit. other than all the blood gushing out of that black guys head the fights were uneventful. i left before the sylvia arlovski fight.. boo on this ppv.

I would have agreed with the stoppage if it wasn't Shamrock/Ortiz... They have taken worse abuse than that and went on to win fights....

Sylvia/Arlovski went to the judges...... You didn't miss much...

Glad I only paid $3.85 to catch an online stream of it...

Cromwell

07-09-2006, 02:10 AM

Can someone post the results of all the fights?

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 02:16 AM

Forget about this card, the announcement was so much bigger!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wanderelei Silva vs. Chuck Lidell in November.

Thank you Dana and Pride management, I take back alll the shit I talked.

As far as tonight goes.... Joe is a legit LW... Mir is done....Burkman is the better Josh... Monsoon is the number 1 contender.... Tito owns Ken and has some time to kill before they can fight again. Chuck has his plate full with Babalu and Wanderlei.

circpro

07-09-2006, 02:17 AM

Can someone post the results of all the fights?

Hermes Franca Wins by Submission at 0:47 in the 3rd round by Triangle Choke.
Cheick Kongo Wins by Technical Knock Out at 4:13 in the 1st round .
Jeff Monson Wins by Technical Knock Out at 2:42 in the 1st round .
Drew Fickett Wins by Submission at 1:20 in the 3rd round by Rear Naked Choke.
Joe Stevenson Wins by Technical Knock Out in the 2nd round by Doctor Stoppage.
Josh Burkman Wins by Unanimous Decision in the 3rd round .
Frank Mir Wins by Unanimous Decision in the 3rd round .
Tito Ortiz Wins by Technical Knock Out at 1:18 in the 1st round .
Tim Sylvia Wins by Unanimous Decision in the 5th Round.

rich6886

07-09-2006, 03:23 AM

the ortiz shamrock fight was bullshit. other than all the blood gushing out of that black guys head the fights were uneventful. i left before the sylvia arlovski fight.. boo on this ppv.

That fight pissed me off too. But the announcement that followed... I was leaking pre cum at the reintroduction of Wandy into an octagon. Looks like we may now finally see the fight ppl have been talking about for years. Arlovski pissed me off. He should have tried to take the fight to the ground. He IS a international sambo champ, but w/e, mediocre ppv with a huge announcement.

Madness

07-09-2006, 03:27 AM

The ref stop was the right call. At first glance it looks fishy but if you watch the replays you can see Ken go limp on the first one and then gets hit with 4-5 more. Ken made no attempt to defend himself and he wasn't even holding his head up. Where could Ken have turned that around at all? Had it not been stopped then it would've been stopped 2 seconds later after Ken had been hit even more.

The Yves call doesn't apply. Yves was bleeding badly but he at no time stopped defending himself. He was always moving around and getting out of the bad spots quickly.

ProfessorAnt

07-09-2006, 03:38 AM

40 bucks wasted. you have to beat the champ to BE the champ.

i agree that the shamrock decision was right. he was out on the ground and it was just a matter of time before the ref called it. he may have been a minute premature but as a pro he knew that shamrock was done.

Cybouncer

07-09-2006, 09:53 AM

Shamrock decision was absolutly the correct one. Tito dropped one of those big elbows and you could see that Shamrock was out. The ref stopped Tito from really hurting him.

I didn't see any Shamrock post fight interviews, did he start crying that the ref stopped it too early? Tito's Post was somewhat respectful and he simply said that Ken wasn't defending himself, that's why the fight was stopped. He went on to say that he would be up for a rematch in Oct. when silva & Lidell fight.

Madness

07-09-2006, 09:54 AM

Yeah, that's Shamrock's thing though. Get pounded by Sak, Franklin, Ortiz and then complain afterwards that the ref stopped the fight too early. It's his way of trying to save face.

Palerider4146

07-09-2006, 09:57 AM

Btw did anyone happen to catch some of the stuff on sherdog. Apparently when Dana was trying to sign up Tito again, Tito had one stipulation. Him and Dana had to box 3 rounds together. Tito apparently felt that he had some aggresion to take out on Dana and that Dana had some to take out on him. It's nothing that is going to be televised (although Im sure the UFC publicity machine will somehow get some tape out) it is just supposed to be the two of them in some gym duking it out. I'm sure they will wear at least head gear or something.

Palerider4146

07-09-2006, 09:58 AM

BTW, to my fellow jersey shore compatriots, doesn anyone know any bars in the monmouth area that show the fights regulary.

Flea_Man

07-09-2006, 10:02 AM

Anyone else hope for more UFC/Pride crossover fights?

Madness

07-09-2006, 10:08 AM

Have to wait and see what happens with Pride. If the company goes under from the current problems this could be the start of the fighters jumping ship to the UFC.

Standby

07-09-2006, 10:11 AM

Anyone else hope for more UFC/Pride crossover fights?

It's a little too early on Saturday for me to go into great detail on the PPV, but I don't believe it's a simple Pride/UFC crossover. Sounded to me like Silva's actually making the jump to UFC (once that whole pesky OWGP thing is over) and fighting for the belt, if Chuck's got it. That's how I perceived the announcement at least.

Cromwell

07-09-2006, 10:57 AM

Sylvia Outlasts Arlovski; Ortiz Gets Quick Win over Shamrock

By Thomas Gerbasi

LAS VEGAS, July 8 – The rubber match between Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski didn’t match the brief and explosive nature of their first two bouts, but Sylvia did enough to outlast ‘The Pitbull’ in their war of nerves before a sold out crowd of 12,400 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center.

Scores were 48-47 twice and 49-46 for Ellsworth, Maine’s Sylvia, who repeated his April 15th win over Arlovski. The Belarus native defeated Sylvia via submission on February 5, 2005.

“I definitely saw myself winning,” said Sylvia, 24-2. “Arlovski fixed his chin because I hit him hard many times. He’s a tough, tough guy.”

The pace was measured early, with Arlovski working his leg kicks effectively and Sylvia looking for the big bomb. With a little under three minutes left, Sylvia’s first heavy salvo rocked Arlovski briefly, but after a short clinch, ‘The Pitbull’ came firing back and fought with a relaxed ease as Sylvia appeared tense as he stalked the challenger.

The heavy punches kept coming in the second round, with Arlovski still scoring, but Sylvia answering by opening a cut on the left side of his foe’s head and the tense drama continued to play out in round three, with Sylvia starting to show the scars of battle via a mouse under his right eye as Arlovski again landed the cleaner blows between sporadic bursts of activity from the champion.

The fourth round saw the crowd get restless, and Sylvia responded by picking up the pace and opening up cuts under Arlovski’s right eye and on the side of his left eye, but the final round played out like the previous four, with both fighters having all too brief moments of scoring activity, and leaving the bout in the hands of the judges, much to the chagrin of the packed house.

In the UFC 61 co-featured bout, it may be safe to say that the feud between Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock is far from over as Ortiz made it two in a row over his longtime rival, stopping the UFC hall of famer with a series of forearm strikes just 1:18 into the first round.

The bout was not without its share of controversy though, as referee Herb Dean’s stoppage drew loud boos from the capacity crowd and prompted the Las Vegas police to enter the Octagon to keep an irate Shamrock from getting at Ortiz.

“Look at my face,” said Shamrock, 26-11-2 who stated his case to fans after storming from the Octagon. “See, no marks.”

But despite the protests, there was little doubt that the stoppage was just, after Ortiz landed five consecutive forearms on the head of Shamrock, who was not defending himself.

“I was just doing my job, dropping elbows,” said Ortiz, 15-4, the former UFC light heavyweight champion. “He wasn’t responding or defending himself and Herb Dean did his job.”

Shamrock looked to get the job done himself as he came out throwing heavy punches as he bulled Ortiz to the fence. But once Ortiz got his bearings, he picked Shamrock up and slammed him to the mat, leading to the fight ending series of strikes.

Ortiz stopped Shamrock in three rounds in their first meeting on November 22, 2002.

Josh Burkman scored the biggest win of his UFC career, earning a hard fought three round unanimous decision over Josh Neer in a welterweight bout.

Scores were 29-28 twice, and 30-27.

The two welterweights fought at a fast clip in the first round, trading strikes, with Burkman (18-3) holding a slight edge due to a knockdown scored with little over a minute left in the frame.

Neer (17-4-1) rebounded in the second as he controlled matters at close quarters and on the mat. But midway through the round, it was Burkman rallying with hard punches to the head. Des Moines’ Neer, bleeding from a cut around his left eye, disdainfully called for more, and when it appeared that the momentum was going to swing back to him, Burkman finished the round with a slam to the canvas.

Neer pushed the pace in the final round, and after some standup work, he got Burkman to the mat and attempted to lock in a triangle choke. Burkman responded with a thunderous slam and escaped further danger. Neer wasn’t done yet though, as he tried to work submissions on Burkman from the mat, but to no avail as the Salt Lake City native finished strong.

Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir won his first fight in over two years, eking out a three round unanimous decision over Dan Christison.

All three judges scored the bout 29-28 for Mir, who was sidelined for 16 months due to a motorcycle accident in September of 2004. His first comeback fight, on February 4, saw him get stopped by Brazil’s Marcio Cruz.

“I needed my confidence back as a fighter,” said Mir, whose last victory was his title-winning effort over Tim Sylvia on June 19, 2004.

The first round was a tale of two halves, as Mir dominated the first 2:30 with strong strikes on the feet as well as a takedown of his foe, and Albuquerque, New Mexico’s Christison roared back in the final stages of the round with an armbar attempt and some solid standup strikes of his own.

With Mir at 262 pounds, way over his prime fighting weight, fatigue looked to be an issue in the second for the Las Vegan, and Christison landed some hard point-scoring punches in the round. And once the fight hit the mat, Christison again was the more active of the two, even though he wasn’t in the dominant top position.

Perhaps sensing that the fight was slipping away from him, Mir came out aggressively in the final stanza, and once he bloodied Christison’s nose, he pounded away with both hands, looking for the stoppage, but it didn’t come, sending the bout to the judges.

Former welterweight Joe Stevenson made a successful jump to the 155-pound weight class with a bloody second round stoppage of Yves Edwards, whose cut forehead prompted a halt to the bout after 10 minutes of spirited action.

“I can do anything I want to at this weight,” said Stevenson, 30-7.

Showing why the lightweight division is the most exciting in the game, Edwards and Stevenson took turns in controlling the first round, with Edwards’ strikes dropping the Las Vegan to the mat, and Stevenson’s ground and pound piling up points in its own right. Edwards may have taken the round though with a triangle attempt in the final 15 seconds.

Stevenson got the first takedown of the second round and pushed Conroe, Texas’ Edwards (29-11-1) to the fence in order to pound away with his left hand, opening a nasty gash on the top of Edwards’ head in the process. After a break in the action for the doctor to inspect the cut, the fight resumed on the mat, with Stevenson firing away but Edwards hanging tough and even making it to his feet before the bell.

But though Edwards was ready to continue, the amount of blood from the cut forced referee John McCarthy to wisely call the bout on the advice of the ringside physicians just before the start of the final round.

Hermes Franca returned to the UFC for the first time since April 2, 2004, and won his fifth consecutive fight of 2006 with an impressive third round submission win over late replacement Joe Jordan.

“He’s a tough kid,” said Franca of Jordan, who replaced the injured Roger Huerta. “I tried to work my standup, and it worked well, but my jiu-jitsu’s better.”

Franca (14-5) came out bombing with kicks and almost got Jordan’s back early, but the Iowan hung tough and avoided any more serious damage in the opening round, which drew the ire of the crowd due to the lack of sustained bursts of action.

Picking up the pace in the second, Franca’s accurate strikes woke up the fans in attendance and drew a disdainful look from the iron-chinned Jordan (23-10-2). But practically all the offense in the bout was coming from the Brazilian, who potshotted the now bloody nosed Jordan.

Looking to end matters, Franca quickly got a takedown in the opening stages of the final round, and after passing on a kimura attempt, a transition into a triangle choke finally produced a tap out just 47 seconds into the round.

Olympia, Washington’s Jeff Monson, who caused a stir in the Mandalay Bay Events Center crowd by entering the Octagon to the strains of John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’, impressively stated his case for a heavyweight title shot as he halted Australia’s Anthony Perosh in the first round.

“I deserve a title shot,” said Monson. “Arlovski and Sylvia are tough, but when I get the fight to the ground, it’s over.”

After a fairly tame opening two and a half minutes, the two grappling standouts stood and traded on the inside, and Monson (24-5) landed a hard knee and right hand and Perosh (5-2) fell to the mat. A follow-up barrage brought in referee Herb Dean, and the fight was halted at the 2:42 mark.

French kickboxing star Cheick Kongo made his UFC debut a successful one as he used a series of knees and uppercuts to stop Phoenix’ Gilbert Aldana via cuts in the first round.

The end came at 4:13, as a nasty gash over the right eye of Aldana prompted referee Yves Lavigne to halt the bout after consulting with the ringside physician.

“I’m happy to be here and to represent Europe,” said Paris’ Kongo, who lifts his record to 18-2-1. Aldana, who started strong behind two impressive slams to the mat but couldn’t stand with the technically superior striker, falls to 5-2.

UFC newcomer Kurt Pellegrino got a rude welcome to the Octagon, as Drew Fickett submitted the Point Pleasant, New Jersey native in the UFC 61 opener.

Pellegrino controlled the first round against the Tucson, Arizona veteran, both on the feet with his fast hands and on the ground with a solid but unspectacular ground and pound attack.

The less than scintillating pace dipped even more in round two, with neither fighting gaining a decided edge in some uninspired groundwork.

Pellegrino opened the third with a loud slam of Fickett, but a lapse of concentration on the ground allowed ‘The Master’ to lock in a rear naked choke that produced a tap out at 1:20 of the final round.

“I was biding my time, hoping that I could get his back,” said Fickett, who improves to 30-4. Pellegrino falls to 13-2.

******

Any of the fights on YouTube yet?

novalia

07-09-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by novalia
there is little doubt in my mind that chuck was faily coked up.

I find that hard to believe.

This guy is too good of an athlete - and trains way to hard to succumb to an addiction like that. He'd get his ass knocked out in the ring (not the other way around - like it usually is) if he was a "druggie".

The only "drug" Chuck is on - is "Xyience"

did you watch the video?
probably not...
it doesnt necessarily mean he has "succumb to an addiction"... there are plenty of people that indulge occasionally without becoming addicted.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 11:39 AM

Sorry if last nights post was a mess, I'm surprised I was able to turn the PC on...

I find it funny how people who don't follow pride have no idea how huge the anouncement was last night. As dominent Chuck is at 205 Wandy is more dominent against stiffer competition at the same weight in Pride. At that he is fighting in an open weight tournament right now and has easily made it into the final four against 3 other heavyweights (not LHW's). Keep in mind any one of those 3 guys would EMBARASS Tim Sylvia if they were to fight.
Basically Wanderlei Silva is widely recognized as the #1 light heavyweight in the world with Chuck Lidell a close second. Nobody ever thought they were going to be able to fight and it would have been a shame if they didnt.
I hope that helps to put the fight into perspective.

Edit: After reading this post I wanted to make sure you know I realize most of you guys are hard core MMA fans who know damn well the implications of this fight. Im talking more about my buddies and the casual UFC fans in general. No disrespect to you guys.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 11:46 AM

Speaking of which, I have a few questions about the anouncement.

We know Wandy is in the OWGP with the finals coming up in September. He is most likely to face Cro Cop first, then the winner of Nog/Barnett IF he manages to beat Mirko. Thats two fights in one night only 2 months before he has to fight Chuck? At that he is fighting Cro-Cop! You know that is going to be a brutal war.
As far as Chuck, he fights Babalu in August who is no slouch himself. Then he fights Silva in November and rumours are he fights Superbowl weekend less than 3 months later. Thats a lot of fights for UFC's posterboy who tends to fight every 6 months.
I wouldnt be surprised if the Chuck/Wanderlei fight is postponed due to injury but I hope thats not the case.

Papagolash

07-09-2006, 01:23 PM

I have NO clue about any MMA outside of UFC. Just got into it about a year or 2 ago. But from what I've been reading from you guys, PRIDE is much better competition, and the UFC heavyweight division is a joke.

Cybouncer

07-09-2006, 01:44 PM

Sorry if last nights post was a mess, I'm surprised I was able to turn the PC on...

I find it funny how people who don't follow pride have no idea how huge the anouncement was last night. As dominent Chuck is at 205 Wandy is more dominent against stiffer competition at the same weight in Pride. At that he is fighting in an open weight tournament right now and has easily made it into the final four against 3 other heavyweights (not LHW's). Keep in mind any one of those 3 guys would EMBARASS Tim Sylvia if they were to fight.
Basically Wanderlei Silva is widely recognized as the #1 light heavyweight in the world with Chuck Lidell a close second. Nobody ever thought they were going to be able to fight and it would have been a shame if they didnt.
I hope that helps to put the fight into perspective.

Now I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely but you can't sleep on Sylvia. To say those 3 guys would embarass him is a big exageration. When he is on, he is a scary fighter.

This is huge though. Silva hasn't fought in the UFC since May, 1999 (UFC 25) where he lost to Ortiz. With a MMA record of 30-5-1 (roughly), he is a HUGE acquisition for the UFC.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 01:48 PM

I would say the two org's are equal in talent. While Pride has about 5 HW's that are probably better than Sylvia/AA the UFC has about 4 WW's that could take any pride ww's. The other weight divisions are fairly balanced.
Its an ongoing debate and everything I just said is all opinion. The only way to tell is to have them fight, another reason why the announcement was so big.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Now I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely but you can't sleep on Sylvia. To say those 3 guys would embarass him is a big exageration. When he is on, he is a scary fighter.

This is huge though. Silva hasn't fought in the UFC since May, 1999 (UFC 25) where he lost to Ortiz. With a MMA record of 30-5-1 (roughly), he is a HUGE acquisition for the UFC.

True. Thats just my opinion. I feel like Sylvia is a good fighter who uses his size and reach advantage wisely. I just feel like Barnett, Nog, Fedor, Cro-cop and even Wanderlei have more talent and would ultimately win.

askewcore

07-09-2006, 01:54 PM

Now I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely but you can't sleep on Sylvia. To say those 3 guys would embarass him is a big exageration.

No its not really. There's no way he could strike with Cro-Cop, Mirko's just too good standing up, he's too fast, strong and accurate, and Sylvia's not good enough to get through his legs/knees and take Cro-Cop down. Nogiuera would just pull him to the ground and pressure him until he makes a mistake (which wouldnt be long) and then tap him out. He might have a chance against Barnett, but he's really improved himself since he left UFC and went over to Japan, and he's looked solid in his last couple fights over there. And I dont think Sylvia could get in the same ring as Fedor.

The Wanderlei/Chuck fight is gonna be fucking sick though. I missed the show last night, but judging from what I've read here and elsewhere, the announcement was the best part.
EDIT: av8, lovin the new sig.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 02:06 PM

Thanks man. Tough to tell what he's saying but I think it's "Your the Iceman? I want your belt."

I read on mmaweekly that the UFC has a 3 fight deal with Sylva. The fight with Chuck IS a title fight. I am assuming that Chuck will absolutely have the right to a rematch and if they split expect a trilogy. Pretty cool.

Consider this: Silva has the oppurtunity to hold the Pride MW, HW, and UFC LHW belts all before the years end.
He already is the MW champ. If he wins the OWGP he gets a shot at Fedor for the HW belt. Not saying he will but its amazing he even has the chance.

I dont think he will get past Cro-Cop but I'm probably in the minority.

askewcore

07-09-2006, 02:10 PM

Consider this: Silva has the oppurtunity to hold the Pride MW, HW, and UFC LHW belts all before the years end.
He already is the MW champ. If he wins the OWGP he gets a shot at Fedor for the HW belt. Not saying he will but its amazing he even has the chance.

Wow, thats insane. When is his Liddel fight? What kinda of animal lines himself up to face Cro-cop, Nog/Barnett, Chuck, Fedor in such a short period of time? Silva's a nut.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 03:10 PM

Wow, thats insane. When is his Liddel fight? What kinda of animal lines himself up to face Cro-cop, Nog/Barnett, Chuck, Fedor in such a short period of time? Silva's a nut.

November in Vegas. Dont think there is a definite date yet.

rich6886

07-09-2006, 04:09 PM

Think of the match ups that could be in the future. Wandy has really opened the door to something amazing here. Hendo v Franklin would be amazing. Id also love to see Fedor v. Sylvia. Not because it would be a good fight, I just think it'd be funny to see Sylvia get knocked out in 10 seconds in front of all the shocked average joe UFC fans. I hear Fedor is actually going to be fighting when Pride has its event in America, I def. wanna go to check that out.

whoisisthis

07-09-2006, 05:02 PM

Silva's gonna murder Chuck. I really think they're on two different levels of stand up

what a set of balls on Wand, wearing a Pride shirt in the ring. He must have gotten some good FU money from the Japs

novalia

07-09-2006, 06:27 PM

its going to be a different scenario in the ufc than he has in pride.. no kicking or kneeing a downed opponent.. chuck is a good matchup for silva but someone like ortiz is going to present a different challenge.. i would give chuck a pretty good shot tho considering silva does get hit and knocked down in a lot of his fights.. silva is really sloppy and chuck hits pretty hard.. the one potential downfall to this fight is both are counter punchers and a lot of the fight could be both of them waiting on the other.

av8rOC

07-09-2006, 06:30 PM

The other thing that I am curious about is that Pride has no drug testing policy and it is widely speculated that Silva uses steroids. UFC however always tests fighters in title matches.
Advantage Chuck.

whoisisthis

07-09-2006, 06:33 PM

silva is really sloppy and chuck hits pretty hard..

or vise versa

I'm trying, but I can't think of anyone Chuck's fought lately who has the same clinchwork arsenal as Wand. Anyone?

I think that may be a deciding factor

Palerider4146

07-09-2006, 11:41 PM

There was some talk on the sherdog forums that Phil Baroni may also be on that card with Wandy and another rumor about Fujita also. I wonder if this is just Pride letting some of their guys come over, or is this pride fighters jumping ship to the UFC.

av8rOC

07-10-2006, 12:44 AM

From an article on the Pride website it sounds like theyu are trying to capitalize on the explosion of interest in MMA in the US. The president said they need to compete in the US in order to retain the top talent in the world. UFC's huge growth will allow them to pay fighters more and more and therefore attract Prides guys. I guess by allowing their fighters in the Octogon its a form of advertising for Pride.

Kid Brock

07-10-2006, 12:56 AM

If Baroni was half as good as he thought he was he would be world champ, but his ego is massive and his cockiness gets him knocked out. As far as Chuck vs Silva goes I will be calling in every favor I have here in town to get good seats to that fight. Finally the HW division is a mess. Who fights "The Maine-iac" next? Frank Mir after that shit performance last night. Mir used to get a huge pop here in town because he is Vegas born and raised but now the general public hates him and he gets more boos then cheers.

Palerider4146

07-10-2006, 11:27 AM

Finally the HW division is a mess. Who fights "The Maine-iac" next? Frank Mir after that shit performance last night. Mir used to get a huge pop here in town because he is Vegas born and raised but now the general public hates him and he gets more boos then cheers.

Before Mir I would think that Monson would have his shot. He's 3-0 since returning, although none were amazing opponents, although there arent really any amazing opponents left. I would think Monson gets his shot, and Mir should fight Brandon Vera who has been pretty impressive as of late. Arlovsky also could fight Vera or Mir.

novalia

07-10-2006, 11:39 AM

its just so sad...

Standby

07-10-2006, 01:54 PM

I definitely think Monson is the best HW out there right now in UFC. No doubt he should get the title shot, and he can definitely beat Sylvia. He's very capable of taking it to the ground and dominating.

As for Silva/Liddell, how staged did that staredown look? It was like WWE booking, with the confrontation. You could just tell Chuck wanted to laugh that off. Still is gonna be a great fight.

So what happens if Wandy gets the belt and his 3-fight contract is up? Tournament? Or do they extend his contract until he drops the belt? Hopefully the deals coming through for UFC will help them pay fighters better and get the best from Pride over here as well. The co-promotion really is the way to go it seems for the two, as being in Japan and North America respectively, the direct competition in fanbase won't hurt them working together to promote fights like this.

novalia

07-10-2006, 02:18 PM

silva is not the sort to do a staged staredown.. its unfortunate that Pride waited so long in accepting this challenge from the UFC.. i would bet that Couture would have had a better shot a couple of years ago than Liddell now.. styles make fights.

Flea_Man

07-10-2006, 02:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielwMhwrBOw

Watch Shamrock/Ortiz for free. I love youtube.

novalia

07-10-2006, 03:11 PM

that's the definition of getting your ass kicked.

Flea_Man

07-10-2006, 03:25 PM

I think the Gracie/Hughes fight was a better one. Everyone knew Shamrock was going to lose, just not as quick and by a bullshit ref descion. I knew that Hughes would murder Gracie, and yet some people still thought old school could beat new school. Hughes owning Gracie and killing his streak was gold.

d0uche_n0zzle

07-10-2006, 03:37 PM

Herb stopped the fight before Shamrock got seriously hurt. It was a good stoppage, IMO.

askewcore

07-10-2006, 03:39 PM

Hughes owning Gracie and killing his streak was gold.

He had no streak. Since 2000 his MMA record is 2-2-2. He wasnt undefeated in UFC because he lost in UFC 3 by not showing up to fight Harold Howard. UFC made up that whole streak thing and just disregarded the loss on his record. They also didnt tell people how his "streak" had an eleven year gap in it before he lost to Hughes.

Shamrock/Ortiz was a joke too. I never even considered buying this PPV when it came down to a choice between this and the second round of thr Pride OWGP.

EDIT: I just watched the fight, what was bullshit about the decision? Nothing good was gonna happen to Shamrock right there. He was defenseless and half knocked out already. Big John, as usual, made a good stoppage.

novalia

07-10-2006, 03:43 PM

why was it a choice?

askewcore

07-10-2006, 03:46 PM

why was it a choice?

Cause I didnt really wanna burn 70 bucks in two weeks on pay per views.

Especially when the UFC show had a really weak card. If it was two huge events, I would have jumped on both of em. But when all you can give me is Sylvia/Arlovski 3 (which I was kinda excited for) a bunch of guys from your dumb TV show and some other mooks and then you top it off with washed up Shamrock against half washed up Tito....AGAIN, they aint gettin my money.

Flea_Man

07-10-2006, 03:53 PM

askewcore, you think Liddel can beat Silva? I don't think so.

askewcore

07-10-2006, 04:02 PM

askewcore, you think Liddel can beat Silva? I don't think so.

Can he? Yes. Silva lost to Ricardo Arona, and then had another really tough fight with him in the rematch. Arona is a quality fighter, but I think Chuck could handle him. Wandy has been really hot lately but, no one is invincible.

Do I think he will? No, not at all.

Jimmy's Dignity

07-10-2006, 05:14 PM

I loved Silvia's lack of english in that stare down..."I want to fuck...fight Chuck" Freduian slip there?

av8rOC

07-10-2006, 07:31 PM

Looks like the Nov PPV is turning into a UFC vs Pride event.

http://www.mmanews.com/

Fujita is confirmed to be fighting a UFC heavyweight and Phil Baroni is reportedly fighting a "top UFC middleweight"

Two more Pride fighters and you have a full card of Pride v UFC..

SICK!

Cromwell

07-10-2006, 11:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielwMhwrBOw

Watch Shamrock/Ortiz for free. I love youtube.

Fucking bullshit - its gone now:

"This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner ZUFFA, LLC because its content was used without permission "

Oh, fer fucks sake, Zuffa - its a crappy, grainy video. Leave the fucking thing there.

av8rOC

07-11-2006, 12:42 AM

Just do another search. You can always find what you want.

Yukon_1449

07-11-2006, 06:51 PM

It has been awhile since I have been on here but it is great to see that this thread is still strong.

I was extremely disapointed in the last UFC. If it were not for the fact that Chuck will be fighting Silva, I would be done with the UFC forever. I am sick to death of the Herb Dean jump in after one elbow BS. Let them fight. If Ken gets beat to a pulp, great, then he will go away. Now he will bitch that he got screwed. Fighters have come back from much worse then one elbow. Also, the card was, as usual, lack luster. Some has been vs a soon to be has been, and 2 guys who circle jerk each other for 5 min. A couple who most have never heard of and a couple of no namers who at least put on a good show.

The HW fight was a big let down. That is the UFC's weakest division. They have nothing. Sylvia only won because Andre blew his knee in the 2nd or 3rd round. (thats why the leg kicks which were tearing up that fat white trash bastard stoped) But either would get slaughtered by anything that Pride has to offer. Monson derserves a shot at the Trailer Park Express but will get killed because of his short stubby arms (he does have great grappling, but you have to get around those meat hooks to put that King of Trailer down). Sylvia is the champ and that is not saying much.

I am pumped for Chuck v Babalou and Chuck v Silva. Chuck could have problems if either get him on the ground. I love all of those fighters and would love to see Chuck as a permanent fixture in Pride. Above all othres though, I would love to see Chuck pound Tito again, just to shut that bitch up for the last time.

As for the Pride UFC stuff, I have heard that Pride is going to do and entire show here in the US and needs to get their name out there, hence, the UFC deal. They will have to follow different rules, but it is a much better product then what is out there from any of the other organizations. This is bringing the best of both UFC and Pride to the table which is great. As for the Pride fighters leaving. The Pride guys would have to be offered alot of money to leave Japan, due to the rules that have to be followed here in the states. Plus, who wants to give up all those Giesha girls.

The WFA has a much better fight card then the UFC has thrown up in the past 3 or 4 events. I am looking forward to thier first event in a couple of weeks. Here is the fight card for the new WFA card on the 22nd.
http://www.wfa.tv/results.php

Nitetrane

07-11-2006, 07:33 PM

Welcome back Yukon, just checked out that upcoming WFA card, THAT looks like a great PPV. I love Rampage Jackson, Bas Rutten coming back. Is that gonna be available over Directv? I havent gotten any MMA ppv's since UFC's "America vs. Canada", that was the last good lineup that was decent enuff on paper to lay the $$$ for. With Pride fighters coming in, theyll hopefully add better undercards instead of just trying to get you based on the main event.

av8rOC

07-11-2006, 08:42 PM

The two main events were certainly disapointing, but I am encouraged by the undercard fights as of late.
Granted the Mir fight was an abortion and Zuffa needs to give up on him being the next HW contender.
Yves (who was successfull in Pride) got his ass handed to him buy Joe Stevenson, regardless of the doctor stoppage or not. It was an entertaining fight and only adds to the excitement that is the new LW division. Sherk, Pulver, Hominick, Florian, and so on...
Unfortunately the disaster that was that HW title fight took up about an hour and we missed some other quality undercard fights. Ficketts RNC, Monson's 1st round KO, Kongos 1st round KO, and Hermes Francas sumbmission. (Unless you were willing to stay up that late)
The recent Live fight nights have been pretty good as well.
I just am tired of everyone holding Dana and Zuffa to the coals when I think they are doing a great job of getting a ton of MMA to us and brining in some serious talent!

Palerider4146

07-11-2006, 09:37 PM

As of late, the UFC undercards have some great matches. Although I enjoyed Hughes gracie, the undercards had some great fights. They have done some good work on building up their roster, it's just that right now Pride has the market on HWs, but WWs are all about the ufc. Novemeber should be real interesting. I'm curious if this is going to be a cross promotion, or is their a bit of a coup going on. It seems that Pride is letting these guys come over. Is it possibile that you may see Hughes or Ace in a ring in Japan? The next few months in MMA are going to be real interesting.

PestCoast

07-12-2006, 02:53 AM

Before Mir I would think that Monson would have his shot. He's 3-0 since returning, although none were amazing opponents, although there arent really any amazing opponents left. I would think Monson gets his shot, and Mir should fight Brandon Vera who has been pretty impressive as of late. Arlovsky also could fight Vera or Mir.

Yeah, Monson won the other night and I thought announcer dude (I don't know his name, the guy who looks gay for Rogan) said Monson would be fighting Sylvia next. Monson looks wicked but the one time I got to see him fight (I think 2 UFCs ago) he didn't have that much energy in the ring. I'm not sure

As for Silva/Liddell, how staged did that staredown look? It was like WWE booking, with the confrontation. You could just tell Chuck wanted to laugh that off. Still is gonna be a great fight.

Tee-hee, yeah it looked like Liddell was about to start laughing. It did look ridiculous. Speaking of ridiculous... they need to get away from the retarded nicknames. The first one that comes to mind is Brandon "The Truth" Vera (complete with his stupid victory dance). There are others that are worse though: "The Baby Faced Assassin", "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" (I hate Ortiz), and more (http://members.shaw.ca/ufcextreme/nickname.htm). And the fixed decisions *cough* Frank Mir *cough*.

Herb stopped the fight before Shamrock got seriously hurt. It was a good stoppage, IMO.

It wasn't the middle of the 3rd round with a tired & battered Shamrock on the ground unable to defend himself, it was barely a minute into the first round and (in my opinion) it looked like Shamrock was trying to get his right arm in to defend himself as Herb stopped the fight. I'm ok with stoppages when it's quite clear that the fighter on the ground is rocked and not going to recover, but it did not seem to me that Shamrock was unrecoverable.

The fight I want to see next time is Big John McCarthy vs. Herb Dean.

Palerider4146

07-12-2006, 09:30 PM

Nicknames are common with fighters, both in MMA and boxing, it's not a new thing. I think there dumb, but its not going anywhere.

novalia

07-12-2006, 09:43 PM

av8rOC

07-12-2006, 11:07 PM

judge for yourself...
Start of second round. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSRIaWeEpr0)
After second round. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRm3sg2H0)
After the fight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMeLiowP-9s)

I cant believe Chuck would be doing blow in the middle of the crowd at a UFC PPV but damn that footage doesnt look good!|

You should post that on Sherdog.

av8rOC

07-12-2006, 11:33 PM

Hey Novalia....

I found an interesting thread on Sherdog in which several people claim that Chuck does coke and several of them have done it with him!

I couldnt resist and I posted your links on the thread. I hope you dont mind.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=330912&page=15&highlight=chuck+coke

Sprite

07-12-2006, 11:34 PM

I've always enjoyed renting UFC videos on DVD and watching all the great fights. Last saturday I was bored and rented UFC 61 on PPV, the first time I've paid for a live event on there. What a rotten fucking disappointment, both on the part of the heavyweight fighters and that idiot Herb Dean. I hope ultimate fight night and the 62 are better.

Cromwell

07-12-2006, 11:47 PM

Just do another search. You can always find what you want.

Thanks. Yeah, I searched again and found it. This one is a really piss-poor quality vid that somebody did with a hand-held camera in front of the TV. Gee, I hope Zuffa doesn’t feel threatened by that.

I am sick to death of the Herb Dean jump in after one elbow BS. Let them fight. If Ken gets beat to a pulp, great, then he will go away. Now he will bitch that he got screwed. Fighters have come back from much worse then one elbow.

After having seen the fight now, I completely agree with this. That stoppage was complete namby-pamby bullshit. Let ‘em fight till one gets knocked out.

I would love to see Chuck pound Tito again, just to shut that bitch up for the last time.

And he would. I too want to see Chuck kick the crap out of Tito again. I’ll give Tito props for turning into a decent coach. But his ring personality makes me want to puke. But – Chuck has bigger fish on his plate. Tito should thank Ken that he helped him create so much buzz about him. Otherwise, he be just another mid-level light-heavyweight, looking for a fight.

Meanwhile, Ken has done it all and is in the hall of fame.

It wasn't the middle of the 3rd round with a tired & battered Shamrock on the ground unable to defend himself, it was barely a minute into the first round and (in my opinion) it looked like Shamrock was trying to get his right arm in to defend himself as Herb stopped the fight. I'm ok with stoppages when it's quite clear that the fighter on the ground is rocked and not going to recover, but it did not seem to me that Shamrock was unrecoverable.

Agreed! Let ‘em fight, fer cryin’ out loud.

The fight I want to see next time is Big John McCarthy vs. Herb Dean.

Heh, heh. Yeah. With no early stoppages.

novalia

07-13-2006, 02:24 PM

av8rOC

07-13-2006, 06:18 PM

That board moves so fast i dont think anyone noticed it.

True, Im going to post it in its own thread.

av8rOC

07-13-2006, 06:29 PM

That board moves so fast i dont think anyone noticed it.

Started a new thread. Looks like this caught their attention:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=400874

novalia

07-13-2006, 07:23 PM

Started a new thread. Looks like this caught their attention:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=400874

almost a hundred responses in less than an hour i'd say it got their attention..
its the sort of thing most normal people wont notice but if you've ever partaken then it is as obvious as all hell..

i dont judge him for it.. i have a personal experience with it tho..
one night after an amazing bachelor party we were coming out of a bar after 4am.. i was in the greatest mood and pretty buzzed.. good mood buzzed with all faculties.. i saw these guys behind a car in the parking lot looking a little suspicious so i walked over thinking they might have some smoke.. the guy tells me get the fuck outta here.. so i say fuck off and start walking away..

the guy says WHAT and follows me.. he is now going to punch me in the face... so we get into this nasty brawl me and this guy and i was really going to town on him from the outside.. some real bombs punching and kicking him and really connecting with his head.. but this guy kept coming back...

it was totally bananas how long this fight was.. it went down to the ground and i later found out he was some sort of wrestling champion or something.. the guy ends up getting me in a choke.. and it gets broken up...

so i figure its over.. but no he comes back at me and we start again me kicking his ass for a couple minutes then we get down to the ground and he fucking armbars me.. this was before i ever saw a MMA fight and he almost broke my arm in half.. so it gets broken up...

but this guy wont stop he comes back again and i was beating on him so bad his friends finally got him to stop.. turns out he was all hopped up on coke.. they had to call the ambulance for him because i knocked out four of his front teeth...

that was the most insane thing i've ever been involved with.. i am so scarred by it that i rarely go out to bars anymore..

av8rOC

07-13-2006, 07:33 PM

Kid Brock

07-13-2006, 10:23 PM

wow. yeah I have been around the stuff before and it is obvious you feel no pain. that and you look EXACTLY how chuck did in those clips, pretty wild.

I guess the mods moved it to the wasteland which kind of sucks, wont get nearly as much attention.

Seemed like most the members over there either agreed or didn't care. Except for the first guy who wanted you banned within 12 seconds of you posting. :rolleyes:

Cromwell

07-13-2006, 11:19 PM

Good Article on MMA in Newsday today:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spufc0713,0,2389938.story?coll=ny-sports-mezz

Web Special: Ultimate Fighting
Inside the Octagon: Nothing like it
Ultimate Fighting is unlike any other sport, but fighters are just regular guys
BY JOE FERNANDEZ
Newsday Staff Writer

July 13, 2006

Once and a while, we regular people roll out of bed at 2 in the morning and head to the kitchen for a bowl of cereal. Most of the time, we arrive safely. But every once in a while, during that dopey 20-foot walk in the dark, we bang our shin on the coffee table. The pain, though not life-threatening, leaves us cursing the table and furiously rubbing our shin. Tony the Tiger gets put on the back burner.

There was no obtrusive piece of furniture in the Octagon at UFC 58 in March, but during his last title defense, UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin knew he injured something against David Loiseau.

"I think what I did was I threw a left cross, he bent down and I hit him on top of the head," Franklin said. "I stepped in to throw another punch and when it hit, I knew my hand was messed up. At one point, I reached into my glove to feel the bone scraping back and forth."

That was about two minutes into the second round of a five-round championship fight. That meant Franklin had to endure the pain and defend his title for another 18 minutes with what turned out to be a broken second metacarpal in his left hand.

"For most people the initial thought would be, 'Oh I broke my hand, how am I going to win this fight?'" Franklin said. "For me it was just, I broke my hand and I got three more rounds to go."

The focused Franklin retained his belt in a unanimous decision.

The point? The point is that there is no standing-eight count. No timeouts. No respite for a mixed martial arts fighter, aside from the less-than-a-minute break between rounds. These are different human beings. These are different athletes.

Whether it's a broken bone or a broken spirit, an MMA fighter can't milk a knockdown, can't call a 20-second timeout and can't writhe on the floor like a fallen hungry guy in the middle of the night. Their only salvation is a clinch. Their only timeout is a tap out.

Yeah, but these guys are belligerent Neanderthals, right? Wrong!

Rich Franklin graduated from the University of Cincinnati with a double bachelor's degree in mathematics and education, and eventually earned his master's degree in education. From there, the Cincinnati native became a math teacher at Oak Hills High School in Ohio. During his four years as an educator, he continued his amateur-fighting career and eventually became a professional mixed martial artist.

So wouldn't it be easier to enter the faculty lounge instead of the Octagon every day?

"You got to take that stuff in stride," said Franklin, who had surgery on his hand in March and should be ready to defend his title by October. "I loved my job, so don't get me wrong, but imagine being stuck in a corporate job you don't like. Imagine the kind of stress you have to go through every day. Imagine the health risks that kind of stress puts on you. When you sit back and think about something from that point of view, really, what's worse for you? So maybe I'm going to have arthritis when I'm 60, but you know what, because I'm not so stressed out, I won't be having heart attacks."

The UFC has evolved and so has its fighters. Gone are the days of no rules, no weight classes and no technique. Today, it's a rock-n-roll chess match where many of the multi-disciplined fighters have some wrestling, jiu-jitsu, muay thai, boxing and kickboxing backgrounds.

Don't misunderstand, though, there are still displays of barbarity. But these men aren't barbarians.

"I had the same perception about these guys," UFC President Dana White said. "When I got to meet them and I got to know them, these guys are some of the classiest, most well-educated guys you'll ever meet. They're real good people and real good athletes, and that's what attracted us to the sport."

In the Octagon, it's not the style, it's the athlete. Light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell is known for his vicious strikes and titanium chin, but he wasn't always just a puncher.

"I was a Division I wrestler in college," said Liddell, who graduated from Cal Poly with a business degree. "I'm a lot better in jiu-jitsu than most people give me credit for. I don't think I have great submissions skills, but I'm really good at positioning and other parts of the jiu-jitsu world."

Liddell will defend his title Saturday, August 26th against Renato "Babalu" Sobral at UFC 62 in Las Vegas. After being knocked out by Liddell at UFC 40 in 2002, Sobral, a member of the Gracie Barra Combat Team, won his last three matches all by submission.

Unlike Franklin, Liddell is single and has taken full advantage of being a rock star with a right cross.

"We don't do bad," Liddell said of the lady situation for a UFC fighter. "It wasn't always like this, some of the stuff surprised me. One time after an event there were a bunch of us hanging out in my room. There was this girl that came up to my room, and I was hanging with some other girl. She said: 'Hey, you invited me up here to party. If I stick around am I going to get some action?' I was laying on my bed with some girl. It was one of the beds that was in the party room, like a big couch. There were 30 or 40 people in the room. So I was like 'Sure. I'm hanging out with this girl right now, but relax.' She said 'OK' and went inside and waited."

Liddell smiled through the phone.

"Some girls say: 'Oh, it's not because of who you are,'" he said. "And I say, 'OK, come on. If it was me three years ago, you didn't know who I was, you wouldn't have put up with that.'"

Jimmy's Dignity

07-18-2006, 10:39 AM

whoa...UFC is being promoted on ESPN.com...Hughes & GSP are fighting again. It's up on ESPN Motion...admittedly it's the 9th one down (underneath a Barbaro update), but it's there

Boratfan

07-18-2006, 12:32 PM

I don't know why there isnt a MMA section on ESPN.com... its as legit as boxing and about 100x more entertaining.

MikeyP

07-18-2006, 12:39 PM

If anything, at this point it's probably more "legit" than boxing, having less unsavory outside influences if you catch my meaning. But that's just a theory.

Definitely more entertaining.
And as far as its safety goes, sure, they're putting their entire bodies on the line. But they're not getting punched in the head for 30 minutes straight, so my guess is that there's probably less chance of long-term brain damage to these fighters than with boxers. Just another theory.

Also, maybe it's just me but MMA fighters for the most part seem classier, more respectable and more intelligent than boxers. Again, just an observation.

Jimmy's Dignity

07-18-2006, 12:53 PM

Also, maybe it's just me but MMA fighters for the most part seem classier, more respectable and more intelligent than boxers. Again, just an observation.
It's cheaper to walk into any random gym and say, "I'ze gonna box"...easier than asking someone to train them in martial arts. I think it's the discipline that they get from their training in the Martial arts portion that really sets them apart from the boxers....and the intelligence part is very true too

Boratfan

07-18-2006, 01:14 PM

Most MMA fighters are college educated and seem like pretty good guys, with a few exceptions of course. Boxers are some of the dumbest people you will ever meet and most would have been in jail or dead if it wasnt for boxing.

locallounge

07-19-2006, 11:34 PM

novalia

07-26-2006, 12:07 PM

Kid Brock

07-26-2006, 01:27 PM

some more vids i created..
Ken Shamrock at the Ortiz/Belfort fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7pQJCsD-pc)
Ken Shamrock Quits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhVq537uaM)
Ken Shamrock and Don Frye Press Conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_0cPfGQUHo)

enjoy =)

Ortiz getting both Chuck and Ken in the ring is my new favorite video. Chuck gets out of the ring "rubbing his nose" and then Ortiz calls out Shamrock and he comes limping in.

novalia

07-26-2006, 01:31 PM

"i am rick james and you are my bitch"
best line ever.

av8rOC

07-26-2006, 03:59 PM

never saw the shamrock/frye press conference, thanks.

askewcore

07-26-2006, 04:16 PM

Any of you animals get the WFA show? I missed it, waiting for one of the encores to catch it.

novalia

07-26-2006, 04:57 PM

i saw it..

Jimmy's Dignity

07-26-2006, 05:07 PM

.............................and?

just found it up on YouTube...Kimo "was found to have an illegal substance in his blood" so Bas had to fight Rueben Villareal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpi4uAeKhko

novalia

07-26-2006, 05:38 PM

ahh what level of info do you want?
i dont want to be a spoiler..
i reviewed it a tiny bit on FBA in one of their MMA threads without giving details.. i'm one of those guys to avoid all news entirely until i see it..
but here goes...
"wasnt impressed with the debut.. i cant believe rodriguez is 300 pounds now.. he was a good fighter... the undercard fights were all pretty bad.. the production was crappy.. why did they even bother with the crappy boxing announcer? the fight professor and goldberg would have been enough.. even tho goldberg needs quite a bit of work he did OK as a replacement for rutten (i am being generous).. some of the referees were old school boxing judges.. huh? the rutten fight was what it was.. you cant be too upset when did you ever think you'd see bas again? rampage and lindlin was no barn burner but i was pleased with the decision although most likely unjustified =)

all in all a rather lackluster night but any night of MMA is better than one without =)"

very non-specific.. if it doesnt matter how much money you spend on your entertainment then go for it.. but if you are on a budget and are deciding to watch it or save your money... save your money.. it was pretty ghetto.

av8rOC

07-26-2006, 06:26 PM

^^^^^^^^^^ I waited to catch a the big fights on youtube... glad I did.

On another note UFC has a great live fight night on Spike coming up Aug. 17th:

-Karo Parisyan vs. Diego Sanchez
-Dean Lister vs. Yuki Sasaki
-Josh Koscheck vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Chris Leben vs. Jorge Santiago
-Kalib Starnes vs. Crafton Wallace
-Joe Riggs vs. Jason Von Flue
-Sam Morgan vs. Forrest Petz
-Anthony Torres vs. Pat Healy
-Jake O'Brien vs. Kristof Midoux

I think the Karo/Diego fight is going to great, hope Karo can pull it out. Unfortunately the Riggs/Von Flue fight probably wont be televised, I think Joe is going to brutalize Jason.

Cromwell

07-28-2006, 01:30 PM

UFC has a great live fight night on Spike coming up Aug. 17th:

Totally. I won't miss this one.

-Karo Parisyan vs. Diego Sanchez

This has the potential to be a good one. The pure wrestler vs. the judo guy. I like Diego's grappling skills, but there's nothing more exciting than a lighting quick ju jitsu submission.

-Chris Leben vs. Jorge Santiago

Leben looking for redemption after getting his bell rung.

Unfortunately the Riggs/Von Flue fight probably wont be televised

That sucks. Well, maybe if some of the earlier fights end quickly, they'll have to show it.

I think Joe is going to brutalize Jason.

One would tend to agree with you -- if Jason is dumb enough to stand in there and trade punches. However, I love the way Von Flue comes up with these unorthadox submissions. If they go down to the ground, I give the edge to Jason.

av8rOC

07-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Kid Brock

07-28-2006, 05:31 PM

I just feel like Riggs is so much stronger that even on the ground he will manhandle him.
I'm actually surprised they are letting him fight at 170 again after losing his title shot against Hughes. He was too big to cut to 170 then, it seems like his best weight was 185.

Too hard for a guy that used to be 300lbs to get to that 170 every fight. Rogan always talks about how he "still has 300lb bones". I guess that means his frame is thick and adapted to carrying all that weight.

av8rOC

07-28-2006, 09:22 PM

Too hard for a guy that used to be 300lbs to get to that 170 every fight. Rogan always talks about how he "still has 300lb bones". I guess that means his frame is thick and adapted to carrying all that weight.

Exactly. I guess he thinks he can make it though.

For the Pride fans did you hear the alternate fight for the OWGP? Sergey Kharitonov vs Alexander Emelianenko
Also they are saying Rua is fighting on the card that night as well.

Sooo....

Shogun vs TBA
Alex vs Kharitonov

Cro-Cop vs Wanderlei
Nog vs Barnett

^^^^ the winners of which fight in the final the same night. Talk about a sick card!!!!

Cromwell

07-31-2006, 02:31 PM

When you can do this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/titoortiz.jpg

The rest usually follows. :icon_cool

novalia

08-01-2006, 11:02 AM

Fun with Wandeleii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbxX86iEf1s)

novalia

08-01-2006, 09:08 PM

Sakuraba ring entrance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y76KVVE5e7w)
Rampage slam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC4TsAgML4Y)

Cromwell

08-09-2006, 05:24 PM

Just got this email:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_63_TIX_EMAIL_TOP.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_63_TIX_EMAIL_BTM.gif

Getting psyched for this one!

av8rOC

08-09-2006, 05:51 PM

Yeah the next few months for the UFC are huge.

Did you hear about the October UFN?

Tito vs. Shamrock 3
BJ Penn vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka

Hironaka just beat Penn's BJJ coach and is on a sick streak. The Tito thing is a great way to resolve things. Let them fight again on Spike...Not bad for a free card!!

Cromwell

08-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Yeah the next few months for the UFC are huge.

Did you hear about the October UFN?

Tito vs. Shamrock 3
BJ Penn vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka

Wow. No, I did not hear about this yet. Thanks for the notify.

Hironaka just beat Penn's BJJ coach and is on a sick streak. The Tito thing is a great way to resolve things. Let them fight again on Spike...Not bad for a free card!!

Not bad 'tall.

Here's some interesting info that just dropped into my mailbox as well:

NATIVE LONG ISLANDERS START UFC COMEBACK AT CITIBANK PARK

Matt Serra, Pete Sell to be on hand for Ducks August 16 game

(Central Islip, N.Y., Aug. 9, 2006) – The Long Island Ducks today announced that they have teamed with Spike TV and UFC to promote the upcoming season of The Ultimate Fighter 4: The Comeback. The club will welcome Long Island natives and contestants Matt Serra and Pete Sell to Citibank Park on August 16 as the Ducks take on the Lancaster Barnstormers.

“We are very proud to be able to support these two Long Islanders as they follow their quest to return to the UFC,” says Ducks general manager Michael Hirsch. “We anticipate our fans coming out and supporting these young men as they do with the home-grown talent on our team as they continue their professional careers.”

That evening, both contestants will throw out ceremonial first pitches and will sign autographs for fans in attendance of the Ducks 7:05 p.m. contest against the Lancaster Barnstormers. The UFC will also give out prizes throughout the contest.

Serra, a native of East Meadow, has appeared in multiple UFC championships and runs Serra Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in his hometown. The East Meadow High School graduate was the first American to receive a black belt training under Renzo Gracie in 2000. Bay Shore native Sell, who trains with Serra, has studied martial arts since he was 15 years old. The 23-year old earned a bronze medal in the 2003 Pan American Games in jiu jitsu. He has appeared in a few UFC Championships and looks to avenge a crushing loss on Spike TV’s Ultimate Fight Night in 2005. For more information on The Ultimate Fighter 4: The Comeback, please log onto www.spiketv.com.

The first 1,500 fans in attendance to the August 16 game will also receive 2006 Long Island Ducks Team Photos courtesy of Dominic’s of New York. Tickets for this and all Ducks home games can be purchased by stopping by the Citibank Park Box Office in person (M-F, 10-6; Saturdays 10-2), visiting www.liducks.com or by calling 631-940-TIXX today.

Individual game tickets for all four potential home playoff games of the 2006 Atlantic League North Division champion Ducks will go on sale at 10:00 a.m. on Monday, August 14 at Citibank Park.

The Long Island Ducks are in their seventh season of play in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball. They have averaged over 100 percent attendance capacity of 6,002-seat Citibank Park in each of their first six seasons and are one of the most successful minor league sports franchises in the country. For further information, visit www.liducks.com or call 631-940-DUCK.

Standby

08-09-2006, 06:15 PM

Whew, good to see this thread alive and well again. Some big events coming up, just not quite yet... another week or two...

That Tito/Shamrock 3 thing is news to me. When was this announced?

Palerider4146

08-09-2006, 09:48 PM

That Tito Shamrock is only good because it's a UFN. I think people would be really pissed if they tried to sell that as a PPV. I just hope Ken can show some fight this time. Hughes/GSP should be a great fight. Cant wait for that one, will buy the PPV for it.

whoisisthis

08-12-2006, 01:16 PM

so I found this link on how to get Korean TV on the net, which is free. I've been watching all kinds of PRIDE shit

if this isn't allowed here, I appologise and PM me for the link(if mods delete)

http://wow.gosugamers.net/thread.php?id=9807

novalia

08-13-2006, 02:02 PM

I miss Bas.
So you're really gonna knock a motherfucker out? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIwOhF5YlTQ)

novalia

08-14-2006, 02:35 PM

One of my favorite fights..
Carlos Newton vs Pele (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiTBemyZWBQ)

Cromwell

08-16-2006, 03:59 PM

One of my favorite fights..
Carlos Newton vs Pele (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiTBemyZWBQ)

That was terrific. Thanks for posting it, novalia.

I liked the ju jitsu throw Newton executed, early on in the match. Looks very similar to what they teach us at my dojo.

Pele's knees are ferocious!

Great Arm-Bar submission by Newton - made him tap. Great, high-level fight. Also impressive that Newton speaks Japanese.

Just got this in my email:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFN6_EMAIL_TOP.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFN6_EMAIL_MID.jpg
Looking forward to it. :upp:

Standby

08-17-2006, 10:42 AM

Ugh... of course I have to DVR tonight's fight night... but still looking forward to it. Been a long span without any MMA, and now we get UFN tonight, TUF returning, and next weekend we got UFC and Pride PPVs, can't wait.

Oh, and to toss the suggestion out there, I use streamtvnow.tv for my MMA. It's really cheap and they have an MMA channel (though they seem to loop the same fights over and over). I'm not sure if it's better than the Korean feed someone mentioned, which I want to look into, but it's another option, and I use this one for wrestling, Pride, all the big stuff.

Cromwell

08-17-2006, 01:12 PM

of course I have to DVR tonight's fight night... but still looking forward to it.

Hey - I'm DVR'ing it - its better that way. I'll start the whole night on a delay and then I can zap a lot of the commercials. Otherwise, its a "too many hours in front of the tv" committment.

Been a long span without any MMA, and now we get UFN tonight, TUF returning, and next weekend we got UFC and Pride PPVs, can't wait.

Yeah, we're gonna get a lot of stuff now.

Oh, and to toss the suggestion out there, I use streamtvnow.tv for my MMA. It's really cheap and they have an MMA channel (though they seem to loop the same fights over and over). I'm not sure if it's better than the Korean feed someone mentioned, which I want to look into, but it's another option, and I use this one for wrestling, Pride, all the big stuff.

Cool. Thanks for the tip-off.

I'll check it out.

Palerider4146

08-17-2006, 01:46 PM

Nice fights tonight. BTW, has anyone noticed that the UFCseems to finally gotten away from the stupid PPV names. They have done it with a few of the last PPV, they name it after the main event which really in my mind seems more legit. The way it was going I was waiting for "UFC62: Momma said knock you out!".

Big test for Diego tonight, Karo's judo could really pose a problem for him. I also think Jason Von Flue (who I kind of like) is going to get wrecked by Diesel. Has anyone seen Von Flues match against Karalexis, that was one of the greatest chokeouts ever. No one except for Von Flue seemed to realize he was choking him out. I think the ref was even suprised.

Boratfan

08-17-2006, 01:56 PM

I think Diego is gonna do just fine.. the dude is a beast and will be a good challenge for "Ace" Franklin in the near future. UFC really needs more talent in their Heavyweight and Welterweight divisions.. their LHW and MW divisions are awesome. Hughes needs some competition and i don't think Sylvia is anything special. When is Brandon Vera gonna have his chance against "The Maniac"?

Cromwell

08-17-2006, 03:31 PM

has anyone noticed that the UFCseems to finally gotten away from the stupid PPV names. They have done it with a few of the last PPV, they name it after the main event which really in my mind seems more legit. The way it was going I was waiting for "UFC62: Momma said knock you out!".

Ha, ha. :icon_mrgr

Yeah, I'm glad they are moving away from that.

Big test for Diego tonight, Karo's judo could really pose a problem for him.

I would like to see that. See the more-skilled judo be the difference.

Has anyone seen Von Flues match against Karalexis

Absolutely. He used a very unique choke-out technique that, he says, he practices all the time.

No one except for Von Flue seemed to realize he was choking him out. I think the ref was even suprised.

I think when Karalexis stopped moving, the ref got a clue :icon_cool

This from Von Flue's bio:

Strengths: "I withstand punishment and find ways to win"

I think Diego is gonna do just fine.. the dude is a beast and will be a good challenge for "Ace" Franklin in the near future.

yeah - except for the fact that they compete in different weight classes

Did you mean to say Hughes? Matt would destroy him. For that matter, so would Franklin.

Diego also appears to be looking past this fight. Never a good strategy:

Unbeaten Sanchez Gets Test in Parisyan
Thursday, August 17, 2006;

One of the standard bearers for Ultimate Fighting Championship's crop of up-and-coming fighters, welterweight Diego Sanchez faces his toughest test tonight when he fights Karo Parisyan in the headline bout of Ultimate Fight Night 6. The five-match card at the Red Rock Casino in Las Vegas begins at 7 on Spike TV.

Winner of the first "Ultimate Fighter" reality show, the 24-year-old Sanchez has won his first four bouts with the organization and is 15-0 in his mixed martial arts career. His opponent, Parisyan (15-3), is one of the most successful judo practitioners UFC history. But Sanchez -- who has worked extensively on his boxing in recent months -- said he expects Parisyan to be an ideal matchup.

"We both come forward and we're aggressive," Sanchez said. "As far as it being a good matchup for him, I'm not sure. I've improved drastically in my standup and here it's going to be smart for me to stand, where as in the past, I've faced great standup fighters and it wasn't smart for me to stand."

A victory tonight likely would thrust Sanchez into 170-pound title picture. He probably would eventually face the winner of the rematch between current champion Matt Hughes and Georges St. Pierre at UFC 63 on Sept. 23.

"That's the plan," Sanchez said. "It's been my dream to fight Matt Hughes for the championship. I'm hoping he goes in there and beats Georges St. Pierre. He's on top of the world, and as a fighter that's where I want to be."

-- Andrew Levine

novalia

08-17-2006, 03:46 PM

Nice fights tonight. BTW, has anyone noticed that the UFCseems to finally gotten away from the stupid PPV names. They have done it with a few of the last PPV, they name it after the main event which really in my mind seems more legit. The way it was going I was waiting for "UFC62: Momma said knock you out!".

i dont think they have changed anything...
61 was "bitter rivals"..
they like to do both..
you had hughes/gracie..
liddell couture..
reality check
usa/canada

i think you'll always have some sort of tag line..

Cromwell

08-17-2006, 05:50 PM

UFC Fight Night Weighed in and Ready to

By Thomas Gerbasi

All 16 competitors on Thursday’s UFC Fight Night card at Red Rock Casino Resort Spa in Las Vegas, Nevada made weight for their fights tomorrow night. The show will air on Spike TV beginning at 8pm and will be followed at 10pm by the season premiere of the fourth season of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ reality show.

Official Weights
Diego Sanchez (169.5) vs Karo Parisyan (171.5)
Jorge Santiago (185) vs Chris Leben (186)
Yuki Sasaki (185) vs Dean Lister (185)
Pat Healy (170) vs Anthony Torres (170.5)
Jason Von Flue (170) vs Joe Riggs (170)
Forrest Petz (170) vs Sam Morgan (170.5)
Christophe Midoux (224) vs Jake O’Brien (231)
Crafton Wallace (184.5) vs Martin Kampmann (185)
Jonathan Goulet (170) vs Josh Koscheck (171)

I can't believe Riggs makes 170 . . . :icon_conf

Palerider4146

08-17-2006, 08:58 PM

I can't believe Riggs makes 170 . . . :icon_conf

Please, weigh Hughes right before a match, it's rumored that he actually fights at close to 200 pounds. When I wrestled in college, there was a independent group that did a study. They weighed wrestlers right before their match in the Div 1, 2 and 3 championships for two years and compared them to their official weight in weights (which was done 20 hrs before the match). The average weight gain was 15 pounds with one 118 pounder gaining 15 pounds, almost 10 % weight gain in 20 hrs. It is not uncommon for these guys to put on massive weight before the fight.

HerkyJerkyLiz

08-17-2006, 09:04 PM

i really hope leben doesnt suffer another embarassing loss :icon_conf

Jimmy's Dignity

08-18-2006, 12:28 AM

don't worry Liz...he fuckin blew the guy's head off...wicked knockout early in round 2. Diego looked really impressive in his fight too

Palerider4146

08-18-2006, 09:12 AM

Leben had a nasty KO. Diego looked really impressive but he didnt finish Karo. I will say he should get the shot after GSP, but one thing to consider, the TUF winners this season get a shot at the MW and WW championships. Will they get the shot after GSP is to be seen.

HerkyJerkyLiz

08-18-2006, 10:11 AM

yeah i saw the leben fight. nice. i started watching tuf 4 and then fell asleep. i guess ill go over to that thread to see what happened.

Standby

08-18-2006, 11:36 AM

Haven't watched TUF4 yet, but caught the UFN last night when TNA sucked, and finished watching it when I couldn't sleep. Ugh... so tired, but still, a bunch of good fights.

Lister looked great until he gassed out. That really could have been a good fight if his standup wasn't wasted by round 3.

Koscheck, like him or not, looked unbelievable. His striking has really improved, like Rogan said.

I still don't like Diego, I don't think he's as good as they say. He could have finished that fight several times, but lacked something, I don't know what... Karo gassed out, but if not, it would have been a closer decision. I don't think Diego's ready for a title shot at all, but I mean, at 170, who else is there once you get past GSP/Hughes.

And of course, Leben looks phenomenal... except for that stupid Kid N Play mohawk.

av8rOC

08-18-2006, 11:52 AM

I dont care what anyone says Diego earned some respect last night. This is coming from someone who cant stand his cockyness and was hoping Karo would Judo throw his ass out of the cage.
Karo was the #1 contender and had a title shot but backed out due to injury. Diego flat out beat him last night in what may have been the fight of the year so far. The fight had everything...great striking, sub attempts, several HL worthy Judo throws, GNP, teeth flying out, you name it. My hats off to Deigo for taking the third round and ultimatly the fight. He just had more drive and stamina the last 5 minutes.
Once again another great UFN!

Cromwell

08-18-2006, 02:03 PM

Karo was the #1 contender and had a title shot but backed out due to injury. Diego flat out beat him last night in what may have been the fight of the year so far. The fight had everything...great striking, sub attempts, several HL worthy Judo throws, GNP, teeth flying out, you name it. My hats off to Deigo for taking the third round and ultimatly the fight. He just had more drive and stamina the last 5 minutes.

Agreed.

I was rooting for Karo - but Diego showed me something last night. He's got the will, the skill and the conditioning that it takes. Karo is good - no question - but after last night - its clear that Diego is better. Karo needs to take his conditioning to an even higher level - if he wants to advance at this elite level (the Hughes, GSP, Penn, and yes, now Diego level). I'm actually a bit surprised that a Ortiz/Couture coached guy was the less-conditioned athlete.

As for Leben - he's really got devastating knock-out power. Reminds of of Lidell in that regard.

Good fight night. :icon_cool

Palerider4146

08-18-2006, 03:33 PM

Karo did gas, but it had a lot to due with the GNP that diego was doing. Btw, great judo throws by Karo, especially that one where both of them went flying, the problem is he has to do something after the slam to finish, and he didnt.

Lister's grappling looked great, but his stand up needs major work. Kudos to the nip he fought, some of those subs defenses were pretty good, namely not tapping during the triangle, maybe it wasnt as tight as it looked.

In regards to triangle, the one Diesel put on Von Flue was sick. He did everything right in that fight and looks like he is finally comfortable at 170. It may take Lister sometime to do the same. It takes your body a few times before it gets used to a new weight class. Probably why Lister gassed so quickly.

Also, Von Flue is a friggin character, did everyone seem him give Riggs the finger right before he tapped.

Cromwell

08-18-2006, 05:45 PM

weigh Hughes right before a match, it's rumored that he actually fights at close to 200 pounds. When I wrestled in college, there was a independent group that did a study. They weighed wrestlers right before their match in the Div 1, 2 and 3 championships for two years and compared them to their official weight in weights (which was done 20 hrs before the match). The average weight gain was 15 pounds with one 118 pounder gaining 15 pounds, almost 10 % weight gain in 20 hrs. It is not uncommon for these guys to put on massive weight before the fight.

I wrestled too.

Sure, I know the drill. We used to be cutting weight right up until the weigh in - then we'd go pig out afterwards. It was the one part of wrestling that I hated. I would never recommend it to anyone. An athlete should never have to starve themselves. Any advice I would give to any kid today would be - simply compete at your own natural weight. Never try to drop down, just because you think you can get a few more wins under your belt.

Karo did gas, but it had a lot to due with the GNP that diego was doing.

That's true. The early cut under the eye set the tone for the whole match.

Btw, great judo throws by Karo, especially that one where both of them went flying

Yeah, that was some flashy stuff.

, the problem is he has to do something after the slam to finish, and he didnt.

Sanchez is like a cat - he has pure wrestler balance. He righted himself in those spots, where another fighter, may have not.

In regards to triangle, the one Diesel put on Von Flue was sick.

Absolutely. Best of the night. There was no getting out of that.

He did everything right in that fight and looks like he is finally comfortable at 170.

I was very impressed with Riggs. He showed he's a lot more than a simple power-puncher.

Also, Von Flue is a friggin character, did everyone seem him give Riggs the finger right before he tapped.

Ha, ha.

Yeah, I saw that. :icon_mrgr

Well, at that point, whattya gonna do.

Good fights.

mendozathejew

08-18-2006, 08:27 PM

Haha thats funny.

Another thing that I have noticed about Pride is that they seem to shelter their "golden boys" ie. Fedor, Nog, Cro-Cop, Wanderlei, and feed them cans way too often. There is so much talent in Pride I feel like they should have big time fights more often.

Ive never posted on this thread so Im months late, but Fedor's resume is unbelievably good. hes the best p4p fighter in MMA by a long shot.

silva has faced alot of japanese cans but has some great wins

I cant wait for the final round of the open weight gp next month. cro cop vs silva is going to phenominal.

Palerider4146

08-18-2006, 10:52 PM

Hey Cromwell, that's why I loved wrestling at heavyweight, no cutting for me, I wrestled at 215. Throughout the year the lighter weights would always call us fat fucks and all, but we got our revenge when it was time to cut weight. We once had a 118 pounder who came back after thanksgiving 12 pounds over. He lost it in 14 hrs. He had to wrestle with me and my partner in a rubber suit. Then on the stationary bike in the sauna in a rubber suit. Then he went to central park to run 2 miles, in the rubber suit, back to the campus to start the process all over again. He made weight though. I know they have since outlawed rubber suits, laxatives and diuretics. I rembember guys stealing their grandparents lasix to help cut and making exlax cakes. Oh the good ole days.

mendozathejew

08-19-2006, 05:25 AM

fedor is the best mma fighter in the world, and hes a chubby guy. bordering on fat, by sports standards.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2667/fedorcollageiy4.jpg

av8rOC

08-19-2006, 11:12 AM

Ive never posted on this thread so Im months late, but Fedor's resume is unbelievably good. hes the best p4p fighter in MMA by a long shot.

silva has faced alot of japanese cans but has some great wins

I cant wait for the final round of the open weight gp next month. cro cop vs silva is going to phenominal.

Oh dude, I wasnt trying to knock Fedor or Wandy at all, they are two of my top five fighters. Fedor is my favorite and unquestionably the best fighter in the world.

P4P is a whole other thing that I think people use incorrectly. I wouldnt say Fedor is the best P4P in the world.

mendozathejew

08-20-2006, 04:46 PM

av8rOC

08-21-2006, 10:38 AM

if fedor isnt #1 then who is? there are very few people who would disagree hes #1

they just announced fight coleman fedor 2

I think randleman fedor 2 would have been better, but shogun is gona fight randleman. this is for the first show in the US for pride.

look who pride got to announce the card
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5504/34732mv1.jpg

I do believe Fedor is the best fighter in the world and could beat anyone he faces. What I said was that I dont think he is the best pound for pound fighter. I would consider Gomi, GSP, Penn, Hughes...guys like that best p4p.

I think Coleman will have a tough US homecoming. Hes going to get his ass kicked.

Cromwell

08-21-2006, 05:39 PM

Hey Cromwell, that's why I loved wrestling at heavyweight, no cutting for me, I wrestled at 215.

Lucky bastard

Throughout the year the lighter weights would always call us fat fucks and all, but we got our revenge when it was time to cut weight.

We once had a 118 pounder who came back after thanksgiving 12 pounds over. He lost it in 14 hrs. He had to wrestle with me and my partner in a rubber suit. Then on the stationary bike in the sauna in a rubber suit. Then he went to central park to run 2 miles, in the rubber suit, back to the campus to start the process all over again. He made weight though. I know they have since outlawed rubber suits, laxatives and diuretics. I rembember guys stealing their grandparents lasix to help cut and making exlax cakes. Oh the good ole days.

Geez - I remember those days all too well. My ideal wrestling weight in High School was 136 - but I had to drop down to 130. Its amazing how much harder it was go keep at that level. In retrospect I should have started lifting right away - and shot for 142 - I couldn't beat the guy at 136, but could at the other weights - again, its as much about skill as it is about strength. Well, like most sports, its the combination of speed, strength and skill that separates everyone.

Hey - check it out - Spike's got something on tonight:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC62_ALLACCESS_COUNTDOWN_E.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC62BTM_ALLACCESS_COUNTDOW.gif

Palerider4146

08-21-2006, 08:52 PM

With the PPV this weekend they will do the all access and the countdown shows a few times this week. They are also doing the live weigh ins on Friday night. This Spike relationship was very smart for the UFC.

Cromwell, which LI HS did you wrestle for and when. A few guys from my college team were from the Island.

mendozathejew

08-21-2006, 09:33 PM

I do believe Fedor is the best fighter in the world and could beat anyone he faces. What I said was that I dont think he is the best pound for pound fighter. I would consider Gomi, GSP, Penn, Hughes...guys like that best p4p.

I hear what your saying, I know of alot of boxing writers who wont consider HWs in p4p rankings. it can be argued that putting heavyweights in p4p rankings defeats the purpose of p4p.

but fedor's resume, his dominance and skills makes him not only the best fighter in a literal sense but I agree with those who say hes the best regardless of weight, his skills and championship reign is the best regardless of weight.

Cromwell

08-22-2006, 04:42 PM

With the PPV this weekend they will do the all access and the countdown shows a few times this week. They are also doing the live weigh ins on Friday night.

Right. I forgot about that.

The "all access" is a cool feature. That Babalou trains his ass off.

Still won't bet against Chuck, though.

Was very cool to see that Forrest-Bonner fight again. That was a knock-down-drag-out-old-fashion-smack-em-up. :icon_mrgr

Cromwell, which LI HS did you wrestle for and when. A few guys from my college team were from the Island.

I actually grew up in Jersey, and only moved to LI about a decade ago. Did all my 'schoolin' n' wrasslin' in NJ. Morris Catholic High. We weren't a wrestling powerhouse, like Phillipsburgh or the Hunterdons -but we had some pretty good matches againts the Randolphs, Roxubury's and Dover's. I'll never forget the times I was on the mat, and saw some brawls breaking out in the stands! You *know* you've got a rivaly then. :icon_mrgr

fedor's resume, his dominance and skills makes him not only the best fighter in a literal sense but I agree with those who say hes the best regardless of weight, his skills and championship reign is the best regardless of weight.

Can you recommend a good source to read up on this guy? I googled his name, but only came up with some russian sites that don't really do it. Does sherdog have a full recap on the guy?

How is it that the UFC never mentions this guys name?

av8rOC

08-22-2006, 04:50 PM

Google Fedor Emelianenko and you should find a ton of stuff. That or go to youtube and search his name there. Should be a bunch of HL's and individual fights.

mendozathejew

08-22-2006, 05:07 PM

Can you recommend a good source to read up on this guy? I googled his name, but only came up with some russian sites that don't really do it. Does sherdog have a full recap on the guy?

How is it that the UFC never mentions this guys name?

the ufc, especially dana white, do not mention pride by name. rogan only refers to at "overseas." I heard dana white in a radio interview try to pretend that hes never seen fedor. in a different radio interview posted in the sherdog forum diego sanchez says he trained with fedor for a week and that fedor is no doubt the #1 p4p fighter in mma. and he praised Pride for having the best athletes in the world.

last week in a sherdog interview Diego said he got in trouble for saying that. which actually made me respect him more than I ever did- he said about pride what everyone in MMA knows but no one in UFC is willing to say, and he had nothing to personally gain, Pride doesnt even have a welterweight division

av8rOC

08-24-2006, 11:22 AM

GSP vs. Hughes off due to GSP groin injury.

BJ Penn to take his place.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3125

Im a little bummed. IMO GSP is the best #170 fighter in the world now, and he only needed to beat Hughes to prove it. He is certainly my favorite to watch.

I know the Penn/Hughes matchup is still a great fight, and an intriguing rematch ... I just feel like Hughes will beat him rather easily this time.

Palerider4146

08-25-2006, 01:01 AM

That does suck, GSP really deserved a shot. Will probably have to wait to early 2007. I also think Hughes will manhandle BJ this time. Except for the rematch part of it, and Hughes redeaming himself on the last BJ fight, Diego may have earned the next fight with Hughes.

askewcore

08-25-2006, 01:32 AM

Diego may have earned the next fight with Hughes.

Ugh, I hope not, but as you guys know, I'm not a big Diego fan. He should at least have to get by BJ first. If Penn takes his place, no one should fight Hughes before GSP, in my opinion. St. Pierre earned his shot against the best, and I really think they rushed him into things in his first fight with Matt. Either way, Hughes/GSP 2 will be fight of the year when it goes down.

mendozathejew

08-25-2006, 01:37 AM

I agree gsp should get the winner next, shouldnt have to get back in line

av8rOC

08-25-2006, 09:49 AM

GSP will have next title shot, no question. He is the number one contender at #170. BJ just gets his crack at it first due to Georges injury. Diego, as much as you may hate him has earned his way up to #3 contender and will probably fight the loser of the Penn/Hughes fight while GSP takes the winner.

Also on that UFC 63 card Loiseau is back fighting Mike Swick. Very excited about that fight. Those are two of the top four #185 ers in the UFC IMO. Jens Pulver is fighting some guy I dont know, and for those of you who dont remember Jens Pulver you are in for a treat.

Cromwell

08-25-2006, 02:07 PM

Thanks for the tips. Found a bunch of stuff on Fedor at Sherdog. Only 1 loss (in 2000). Pretty impressive. What's he doing in that picture with Mike Tyson? Those two gonna fight?

Yeah, bummed about GSP being out. But I'm happy that Hughes will get his rematch with Penn.

I also see that Nick Diaz will get another shot, as he has to step in for Ill Alves, against Neer at UFC 62.

Oh, and av8rOC - love your new sig gif. My Shihan is always showing us that throw. :icon_cool

askewcore

08-25-2006, 03:34 PM

Jens Pulver is fighting some guy I dont know, and for those of you who dont remember Jens Pulver you are in for a treat.

Oh that is sweet. Little Evil is the fucking man. I saw him fight semi-recently in Pride, and he blasted someone with a sick low head kick.

Palerider4146

08-26-2006, 12:49 PM

Oh, and av8rOC - love your new sig gif. My Shihan is always showing us that throw. :icon_cool

Great god damn judo throw. To bad he over rotated a bit and didnt land on top of Diego. He kind of took himself out of it also. Still great throw.

av8rOC

08-26-2006, 01:07 PM

Whos ordering the PPV tonight?

I have a funny feeling about Babalu...

mendozathejew

08-26-2006, 06:13 PM

Whos ordering the PPV tonight?

I have a funny feeling about Babalu...

one of my friends is ordering, and Im with you, I have a feeling about babau also. chucks is in for a tough night
anyone who doesnt want to spend the obscene money they charge for paperviews (and rightly so), Hooters buys all major boxing and MMA paperviews.

circpro

08-27-2006, 01:25 AM

Another impressive fight from the Ice Man

novalia

08-27-2006, 03:36 AM

i thought big john had a good night also.. babalu tried to take him down so john mounted him =)

mendozathejew

08-27-2006, 06:39 AM

wow thanks babalu, way to make chuck work for it. Im not trying to slight liddell, hes a very very good fighter, somewhere in top 10 p4p, but I am sick of seeing grapplers enter the ring trying to out strike him.

there is no way sobral trained to fight that gameplan, it was foolish. I wasnt watching hoping liddell would lose, I was hoping to see him challenged with a ground game. the fact that babalu didnt even try to fight his game really disappointed me.

av8rOC

08-27-2006, 09:43 AM

Glad Im not a betting man cause my feelings stink!

Lidell does it again. Unfortunately it doesnt look like the Wanderlei Silva fight will ever happen and he appears to be the only person who can handle Chuck.

I was extremely impressed with that Chek Kongo guy. Glad to see some new blood in the heavyweight division.

Cromwell

08-27-2006, 10:40 AM

Yeah, all that hype about Babalu - all the training - the behind-the-scenes stuff. The "revenge". He got his bell rung by the Iceman. Lidell has *sick* punching power.

Nice to see Griffin-Bonner put on a good show as well.

And it looks like Nick Diaz is back with a more complete game. Anyone up for Diaz-Sanchez again? I am :icon_mrgr

LAS VEGAS, August 26 – UFC Light Heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell was in fearsome form tonight in the main event of UFC 62 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center, stopping Brazil’s Renato ‘Babalu’ Sobral for the second time in four years, this time pulling off the feat in just 95 seconds.

Liddell had previously knocked out Sobral in 2:55 at UFC 40 in 2002. This time was quicker and even more decisive.

The early moments were tense, as both fighters looked for an opening, but once Sobral initiated the action with a series of strikes, Liddell landed an overhand right and followed up with a right uppercut, jarring Sobral and sending him to the canvas. It was just a matter of time after that, as Liddell opened up with a fierce barrage that Sobral was unable to recover from, forcing referee John McCarthy to halt the one-sided bout.

“He was coming after me hard,” said Liddell, who defended his light heavyweight title for the third time. “You can’t do that, I’ll catch you sooner or later.”

The rematch between Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar wasn’t as consistently frenetic as their first bout, but it was just as intense and just as close. Fortunately for Griffin, the result was the same as well, as he scored a three round decision over Bonnar in their light heavyweight co-feature.

Scores were 30-27 across the board for Griffin, in a bout that was much tighter than those scores would indicate.

Needless to say, the action got started pretty quick between these two friendly rivals, though not exactly at the frenetic pace of their first fight. Griffin in particular showed a more methodical and patient attack, drawing blood from Bonnar’s nose and scoring equally well with his punches and kicks. Bonnar wasn’t too far away though, as he landed a hard punch and kick that jarred Griffin soon after. Griffin, not to be outdone, landed a shot of his own that staggered Bonnar, who quickly regained his footing and went back on the offensive. Late in the round though, it was Griffin landing the cleaner punches on the poorly balanced Bonnar.

Griffin continued his disciplined offensive in the second stanza, but Bonnar was able to open a cut under the Georgia native’s right eye early on. The blood didn’t deter Griffin though, and he kept moving forward. In this round though, Bonnar attempted to stand his ground a little more, perhaps sensing that the judges would be scoring for the fighter moving forward. Griffin did put punches behind his aggression though, and unlike their first fight, most of his punches were coming right down the pipe.

By the early stages of round three, Bonnar was cut over the left eye and on the bridge of the nose, Griffin added a cut in the corner of his right eye to his medical report, and with the result of the bout perhaps hanging in the balance, the punches were coming harder and faster from both fighters, and the crowd loved it, roaring louder and louder as the seconds came down and technique gave way to an all-out brawl that completed a fitting second chapter to this epic series.

Will they do it again?

“I think we have to,” said Griffin. “It was about as close as the first one.”

“It was a good fight, I knew it was close,” said Bonnar, who thought he broke a thumb in the first round. “Let’s make it three out of five.”

Nick Diaz got back in the win column in his welterweight bout with Josh Neer, showing a complete mixed martial arts game en route to a third round submission victory.

The first round was busy from bell to bell, with Diaz throwing and landing more strikes, but Neer fighting back in spurts enough to get the Californian’s respect and opening a cut around his left eye.

The pace didn’t let up in round two, with Diaz throwing all caution to the wind as he opened up with flurry after flurry. With 1:30 gone in the round, Diaz finally seemed to jar Neer, sending his mouthpiece flying while also scoring with kicks in addition to punches. With a little over two minutes left, the bout strayed to the ground for the first time, but only briefly, and soon both fighters went back to standing in the pocket and throwing, with Diaz landing most of the punches.

Early in the final round, Neer tried to land a guillotine choke, but Diaz slipped out and then worked his ground and pound on the Iowan before smoothly slipping on a kimura and forcing a tap out at 1:42 of the third.

In heavyweight action, France’s Cheick Kongo improved to 2-0 in the UFC as he stopped debuting Christian Wellisch with a single knee in the first round.

The bout was fast-paced from the outset with Kongo trying to work his standup game as Wellisch looked for the takedown. Soon hitting the mat, Wellisch got Kongo in an armbar, but the Frenchman showed poise in escaping this predicament. Once standing, Kongo again opened up, but a stoppage was forced when Wellisch lost his mouthpiece. When the action resumed though, it was all Kongo, and a left knee to the jaw sent Wellisch hard to the mat, bringing in referee Mario Yamasaki to halt the bout at the 2:51 mark.

UFC rookie Jamie Varner came to fight in his Octagon debut, but veteran lightweight contender Hermes Franca proved to be too much for the 21-year-old, as the Brazilian came from behind to submit his foe in the third and final round.

Varner played defense early as Franca stalked. As the bout hit the mat in the second minute, the action heated up, with Varner scoring well with strikes from the top position. Franca stayed patient, looking for submissions until the two stood with little over two minutes left in the round. With slightly over a minute left, Franca pulled to guard and tried to get Varner in a guillotine choke, but the 21-year-old escaped and made it out of the round virtually unscathed.

Coming out fast in round two, Varner got Franca to the mat twice in the early going and was outworking Franca, who was subtly looking for the finisher via submission. With two minutes left, referee John McCarthy stood the fighters up, but Varner again took down a seemingly fatigued Franca. With a minute left though, Franca reversed Varner’s mount and came alive with strikes and a submission attempt before Varner got back in a positive position.

With the fight perhaps slipping away, Franca put his foot on the gas in the third round and landed a couple of big strikes, leading Varner to lose a point for running away from his foe. After the deduction, Franca pounced on his tired foe, but Varner hung in there. Eventually though, the veteran’s experience paid off, and after he sunk in an armbar, Varner was forced to tap at the 3:31 mark.

“My work at the gym paid off for this fight,” said Franca. “He is a real strong guy, but I saw the opening and took it.”

Newcomer Eric Schafer was impressive in his Octagon debut tonight, putting Rob MacDonald to sleep with an arm triangle at 2:26 of the first round in a light heavyweight bout.

In control from the start, Schafer used impressive ground work to defeat MacDonald, who is now 1-3 in the UFC.

“I’m all about technique,” said Schafer. “I’m not a very good athlete.”

American Top Team’s Wilson Gouveia bounced back from a close decision loss to Keith Jardine in June, submitting Wes Combs via a rear naked choke in the first round.

Softening Combs up with leg kicks, Gouveia moved in for the kill midway through the opening round, taking ‘The Soldier’ to the mat and easily sinking in the fight ending submission, which brought an end to the bout at the 3:23 mark.

“I felt very confident going into this fight,” said Gouveia. “I knew I was going to be able to submit him. I had a hard fight with Keith Jardine and I wanted to come back and show the world what I’m about.”

Debuting light heavyweight Cory Walmsley claimed in a pre-fight interview that he would force newcomer David Heath to tap out, but instead it was Heath – believed to be primarily a striker - who scored the submission victory, landing a rear naked choke that forced a halt to the bout at 2:32 of the first round.

In the opener, Japanese veteran Yushin Okami scored his first UFC victory, winning a workmanlike three round unanimous decision over fellow Octagon debutant Alan ‘The Talent’ Belcher.

Scores were 30-27 twice and 29-28 for Okami, who was steady but unspectacular throughout the bout, which was punctuated by what can be best described as a bizarre frontflip by Talent while Okami rode his back in the third round. The move drew a roar from the crowd, but wasn’t enough to put Belcher in the driver’s seat as far as getting the ‘W’ was concerned.

mendozathejew

08-27-2006, 06:26 PM

liddell, silva, shogun, and arona have to be considered the top 205 fighters. I think shogun might be the best, but we'll never see him fight his friend silva, and Idoubt he'll fight liddell, so who knows.

arona is a stinker but he gives liddell hell just like he did to silva.

novalia

08-28-2006, 12:44 AM

anyone watch bushido tonight?
it was mma on speed.. so many commercials i am very happy i tivo'd it and watched it later.. they sped up some fights by cutting out some time.. it seemed to me pretty awkward.. decent fights but the normal pride rhythm was not there.. it felt rushed...

dan henderson has been reading too many clippings and was totally right hand crazy.. he needs to get back to his strengths of grappling and wrestling and not rely on his wild punches so much..

Palerider4146

08-28-2006, 09:11 AM

I have caught a few pride shows on FSN with Glazer, Trigg and Bas and some other guy. Glazer and Trigg annoy the fuck out of me and the editing is horribile. Your watching the clock in the corner and it will say 9:32 then 8:15 then 5:53 all in the span of a minute. There production value really needs to improve, to bad UFCs heavyweight value needs to improve even more. They really need to get that division in order although I would rather watch the UFCs other divisions.

av8rOC

08-28-2006, 11:03 AM

Kid Brock

08-28-2006, 01:34 PM

The first time I tuned in and saw the guy next to Glazer with hair was actually Frank Trigg i about fell off my couch with laughter.

Yukon_1449

08-28-2006, 01:50 PM

Great weekend for MMA. I have been a big critic of UFC lately but this event was worth the money. I hate Nick Diaz, but he looked very good picking apart his opponent. Also, his comments at the end of the fight were right on when he critized the scoring that the UFC has. Too much emphasis on takedowns. This is MMA not wrestling. A fighter like NIck is much more comfortble on his back, it is not a losing position. It breeds laziness in the fighters that have 3 takedowns in the round and know they are going to win it on that. Nick may have lost 4 in a row but that will end since he will not be so apt to go on his back.

Bonnar vs Griffin, I need not say anymore. Outstanding match for both, esp Griffin with an inflammed vagina. I do wish the crowd would shut the hell up. Who boos after that fight. Once again, another a great american crowd.

Great win by Chuck, but who in their right mind stands up with that man. Train to take him down, then stand and fight Chuck, idiot. Chuck will find things not so easy when he fights Silva, Can't wait for that.

All the other fights were great. The losers of those fights are all young, looked great and will be back. If that is the talent the UFC has found, they are turining it around. Finally a UFC with no hysterical fights.

NOw the Pride event. Glad it was free. Gets spendy with 2 mma events in same weekend. But FSN, my god, less commericals, and better editing. Trigg needs to die, he is the worst. Miss Bas, too bad they would not pay him the money. The fighters were good but yes, too choppy. Flow was not there like a Pride show. That being said those fighters are still just superior to the UFC. It helps they can knee and kick on the ground. IN the UFC, fighetrs are lazy cause they don't have to worry about thier mellon on the ground, but in pride, how does that knee or foot feel.

Henderson needed to take Kasaki down. His right hand was not working, well it was but that guy could take a punch. Kang looked the best and will probably win that tournament.

Now to the big boys, the Absolute finalle will be the best. 4 of the 5 best fighters will be fighting and the winner must fighter twice in 1 night. I can't wait. Cro Cop vs Silva, my god, the only other fight I can't wait for is the rematch of Cro Cop vs. Fedor. And for you kids who don't know who Fedor or his brother are, watch the Pride that is going to be here in the US, He will not disappoint. The other semi fight between Josh "The Buffet" Barnett vs Nogueira, will be fantastic. With the winner of each fighting that night. The best.

They are trying to get anyone to fight Tyson, but it would have to be a boxing only match. Rumor has it they have approched Cro Cop but after that absolute tourny, I doubt he will.

All in all, I enjoyed the UFC a little more this weekend, but it is great to see more MMA exposure on reg TV. Just keep MMA growing. Some great events coming up with both events and they should not disappoint.

Standby

08-28-2006, 02:55 PM

At least you guys got to see Pride. The local sports channel is a Comcast not a Fox, so turns out the Pride event wasn't on in the DC area. Which sucked since I wasn't around and would have had to DVR it. Ah well.

Is it just me or are they really cramming more PPVs in towards the end of the year? Now they're coming monthly. I'm certainly not complaining, the place I go for Muay Thai usually meets for the fights and it's a lot of fun. I'm just surprised they're expanding so rapidly, with the UFN's, TUF and the PPVs on top of it.

Cromwell

08-28-2006, 04:46 PM

Great weekend for MMA. I have been a big critic of UFC lately but this event was worth the money. I hate Nick Diaz, but he looked very good picking apart his opponent. Also, his comments at the end of the fight were right on when he critized the scoring that the UFC has. Too much emphasis on takedowns. This is MMA not wrestling. A fighter like NIck is much more comfortble on his back, it is not a losing position. It breeds laziness in the fighters that have 3 takedowns in the round and know they are going to win it on that. Nick may have lost 4 in a row but that will end since he will not be so apt to go on his back.

Good points, Yukon.

I also think Diaz has earned a rematch with Diesel Riggs.

Great win by Chuck, but who in their right mind stands up with that man. Train to take him down, then stand and fight Chuck, idiot.

Agreed. All this "training" that Babalu did. Then, instead of trying to use his Brazilian Ju Jitsu - he instead runs headfirst into a precision shot to his head. Or was he shooting there? Was he attempting a takedown there? Lidell is just too quick. He's amazing.

Chuck will find things not so easy when he fights Silva, Can't wait for that.

I can't wait to see the guy challenged. He just mows down the competition. I had to laugh at his quote after the fight - how he's now ready to shut Tito up again. Tito needs a bitch-slapping at the hands of Lidell again. Hell, I think Forrest could do it this time.

for you kids who don't know who Fedor or his brother are, watch the Pride that is going to be here in the US, He will not disappoint. The other semi fight between Josh "The Buffet" Barnett vs Nogueira, will be fantastic. With the winner of each fighting that night. The best.

I'm looking forward to seeing these guys. Nothing but the best for me. :icon_mrgr

They are trying to get anyone to fight Tyson, but it would have to be a boxing only match. Rumor has it they have approched Cro Cop but after that absolute tourny, I doubt he will.

Well, somebody should take him on and lay a beatin' on him. And yeah, full MMA rules. Hey, he wants to get in the ring and be a tough-guy. Well, be one then. I say we sick the Maine-iac Silvia on him.

Is it just me or are they really cramming more PPVs in towards the end of the year? Now they're coming monthly. I'm certainly not complaining, the place I go for Muay Thai usually meets for the fights and it's a lot of fun. I'm just surprised they're expanding so rapidly, with the UFN's, TUF and the PPVs on top of it.

Yeah, it like one a month starting now. UFC's 63 and 64, and the freebie with Tito and Ken.

novalia

08-28-2006, 05:06 PM

Cromwell

08-30-2006, 08:03 AM

Peter Aerts revisited Greatest Kickboxer of all time..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_kzCiLzAcA

You gotta check this out.

Man, this guy had some *amazing* right kick!

mendozathejew

09-07-2006, 12:26 AM

great clip man, those high leg kicks are like swinging a baseball bat at someones head.

I can not wait for the pride ppv this weekend, anyone else ordering it.

cro cop vs wanderlei is worth the cost alone

locallounge

09-07-2006, 10:14 AM

Bonnar tests positive for Steroids...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5519

Report: Bonnar Tests Positive for Steroids After UFC BoutThursday, September 07, 2006
by Sherdog.com Staff

The Nevada State Athletic Commission on Wednesday filed a formal complaint against light heavyweight Stephan Bonnar (Pictures), claiming the UFC 62 competitor tested positive for Boldenone, a banned anabolic agent commonly used by veterinarians to treat horses on the mend, MMAweekly.com reported Wednesday.

Bonnar, best known for his Ultimate Fighter season one runner-up performance, lost a unanimous decision to Forrest Griffin (Pictures) before allegedly providing the tainted sample.

According to the NSAC complaint, Bonnar has 20 days to respond. Should he do so, a hearing in front of the NSAC will be set at which time the five-member regulatory body would make a ruling on the Chicagoan's status.

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 10:34 AM

Damn Bonner would have been the last guy I would think was juicing. After all these losses and now a steroid problem I think his career is in serious jeopardy.

Going to find a way to watch the OWGP finals this weekend one way or another. I have been buying so many PPV's lately my cable bill is disgusting every month. I think I may try one of those webtv sites.
Novalia werent you using one?

novalia

09-07-2006, 10:42 AM

wasnt me..
i've watched every single pride i could get on dvd.. and have just about every one up to the 2005 final conflict.. it wasnt available when i wanted it.. i say this before i say what i am about to say next...

i avoided all mma forum talk about what happened waiting and waiting for pride to release these dvds.. and then finally with the owgp happening i couldnt wait any longer.. so i just fired up my torrent program and downloaded all the holes in my collection starting with 2005 final conflict.. they are also really slow with the bushidos which finally picked up big time with the tournies.. you can get dvd quality downloads if you are patient.. there is one guy that will only upload the biggest way.. 2 full dvds..

so yeah.. patience can save you the ppv cost..

but no i dont know how to save money.. i'm really really good at spending it tho.. i will buy the ppv then download it =)

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 10:44 AM

Haha ok... Someone on here was talking about a website you join for about 3 bucks a month and you can watch just about any PPV realtime.

novalia

09-07-2006, 10:51 AM

use the search!
hahahaha sometimes i crack myself up..
not really :/

Palerider4146

09-07-2006, 11:42 AM

Cromwell

09-07-2006, 11:51 AM

Damn Bonner with steroids, whoda thunk? I wonder if he took it to quicken his injury that he sustained. Either way, he may be screwed and it's a bit of a black eye on the UFC. Good odds his UFC contract has an out for the UFC if he cant be licensed by the NSAC.

He's a marginal fighter now, anyway. I mean - the two losess to Forrest - and the one to Rashad - has he beaten anybody.

Personally, I like the guy - enjoyed all the behind-the-scenes training stuff in Chicago. But - he's hardly "star" quality. He's just another "in the pack" guy.

Is Lidell scheduled to fight Tito soon? I want to see that (again).

Aizazzle

09-07-2006, 11:58 AM

I'am just wondering when is the Lesnar fight going to be and who it's going to be against ....

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 01:36 PM

I'am just wondering when is the Lesnar fight going to be and who it's going to be against ....

As far as I know he hasnt even signed with a particular organization yet, let alone a fight. He is training with team Militech now and that is all we know.

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 01:38 PM

He's a marginal fighter now, anyway. I mean - the two losess to Forrest - and the one to Rashad - has he beaten anybody.

Personally, I like the guy - enjoyed all the behind-the-scenes training stuff in Chicago. But - he's hardly "star" quality. He's just another "in the pack" guy.

Is Lidell scheduled to fight Tito soon? I want to see that (again).

Tito is fighting Ken again :icon_roll in October on Spike first, but yes, Tito is Chucks next opponent. Look for it Super Bowl weekend.

Aizazzle

09-07-2006, 01:42 PM

As far as I know he hasnt even signed with a particular organization yet, let alone a fight. He is training with team Militech now and that is all we know.

Thankyou Sir and who long do you think it will take for him to fight ....

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 02:30 PM

Thankyou Sir and who long do you think it will take for him to fight ....

Good question...Team Militech is one of if not THE best camp in mixed martial arts. I doubt they would let him fight before he was ready. On the other hand Im sure he would be a big draw (despite the lack of success in MMA from other pro wrestlers) so who knows. I would guess within a year or so.

av8rOC

09-07-2006, 02:33 PM

OK I was completely wrong :)

I just read this on wikapedia:

On April 28, 2006, Brock Lesnar suddenly appeared inside the ring after the final match of K-1 Hero's Las Vegas and has since signed a deal with the K-1/Hero's. It is anticipated his debut will be in Oct 2006 at Yokohama Arena. He is currently training with Miletich Fighting Systems under UFC legend Pat Miletich. Brock Lesnar announced on 12 August 2006 in Las Vegas that he has joined the K-1 promotion and will have his first Mixed martial arts match in 2007. Lesnar has been training for awhile now and MMA legend Royce Gracie announced that he will serve as Lesnar's trainer. Right now, Lesnar's first fight is scheduled for February for K-1's Hero's group.

Cromwell

09-07-2006, 02:46 PM

Wait -- so he's with *both* the Miletich and Royce Gracie camps? I figured it would have to be one or the other.

Aizazzle

09-07-2006, 02:56 PM

Good for him I want to see him suceed eventhough I think he was an asshole with the WWE ..

So October huh it will give MMA some good exposure and publicity

BouquetOSeaweed

09-07-2006, 10:26 PM

Wait -- so he's with *both* the Miletich and Royce Gracie camps? I figured it would have to be one or the other.

Royce is a storyline trainer, they will just film some training skits and he will come with Brock to the ring (I guess Sable was too expensive for K-1 :icon_roll).

novalia

09-11-2006, 12:38 AM

anyone watch the pride owgp finale?

incredible.

mendozathejew

09-11-2006, 01:44 AM

yeah Pride PPVs blow ufc out the water. I didnt not expect cro cop to be so dominant. he was completely technically superior to silva, and while I knew like everyone silva is a wild brawler, I did not think silva would be so out-gunned.

the Aleks-kharitonov fight was great. hes unbelievably quick for a fighter that size.

hey did u think barnett should have goten the decision over nog? I thought nog won, I guess that knee bar put barnett over the top. nog only fell into that position because he put himself in it, he screwed up in that last 20 seconds

novalia

09-11-2006, 12:01 PM

http://www.rumblevids.com/showvideo.php?id=2294
silva/crocop

av8rOC

09-12-2006, 01:09 AM

That was the best event I have ever seen. Dont know what else to say about it. Looking forward to Fedor/Cro-Cop 2.

novalia

09-12-2006, 11:35 AM

i've watched all of the prides and this one was really unbelievable.. i dunno if it was the best but definitely the best in recent memory... its too bad barnett had to work so hard in the noguera fight or it looks like he might have given crocop a better fight... crocop looked like he was really gassing and if barnett would have been able to survive another minute or two he could have changed the fight.. for a big guy he has incredible stamina.

Standby

09-12-2006, 03:22 PM

Now I definitely see what people mean by the whole MMA on speed thing. Pride was nuts. And the OWGP finals was really sick. I'd love to see more Cro Cop... who btw had the best quote ever...hands down.

"Right kick, hospital. Left kick, cemetary."

If he can take down Silva with that... maybe Chuck's got a fighting chance...

Jim Beam

09-15-2006, 02:13 PM

On the other hand Im sure he would be a big draw (despite the lack of success in MMA from other pro wrestlers)

most other pro wrestlers arent NCAA champions.

I wonder how much of that bulk he'll have to lose. he was a monster in WWE, but prob too slow when he's that big.

mendozathejew

09-19-2006, 12:54 AM

I am not listening live tomorrow, so if any of you call to talk to liddell someones got ask liddell about fighting wanderlei or someone else in pride.

Im not sure of the boys know about the Pride organization, but fuck liddell tito 2, it would be great to hear liddell talk about a ufc - pride showdown at 205

novalia

09-19-2006, 01:27 AM

i think you're asking for a bit much.. we'll be lucky if they get past them wondering if liddell can beat up po...

mendozathejew

09-19-2006, 02:22 AM

good point sir good point.

but if they take calls someone might as well ask

mendozathejew

09-19-2006, 10:23 AM

sorry I had to post this
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3250/11322172869na3.jpg

novalia

09-19-2006, 10:34 AM

yikes.. ouch.. oh shit.. pwnd...

av8rOC

09-19-2006, 01:08 PM

Damn I would love to hear the audio, I wont get to listen to the show untill after 6 today. How did the interview go?

av8rOC

09-19-2006, 01:22 PM

sorry I had to post this
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3250/11322172869na3.jpg

??? That was 3 years ago dude. Hes beat some pretty tough competition with ease since then. I think he would destroy rampage now, as for Silva..who knows. Chucks a technical striker similar to Mirko where Wandy is a wildman. Could go either way.
Bottom line is that picture means nothing.

mendozathejew

09-19-2006, 02:41 PM

chuck is far far from a tehnical striker, let alone the level of cro cop. even with weight class aside, cro cop is a far better striker and theres nothing anyone throws as hard as that high left kick.

Shogun gets my pick for best 205 fighter, its just a much deeper division in pride.

Cromwell

09-19-2006, 03:57 PM

Damn I would love to hear the audio, I wont get to listen to the show untill after 6 today. How did the interview go?
It was great!

I would never bet against Chuck.

Cybouncer

09-19-2006, 11:55 PM

Bonnar tests positive for Steroids...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5519

Report: Bonnar Tests Positive for Steroids After UFC BoutThursday, September 07, 2006
by Sherdog.com Staff

The Nevada State Athletic Commission on Wednesday filed a formal complaint against light heavyweight Stephan Bonnar (Pictures), claiming the UFC 62 competitor tested positive for Boldenone, a banned anabolic agent commonly used by veterinarians to treat horses on the mend, MMAweekly.com reported Wednesday.

How dumb...

This steriod is also known as Equipoise which is extremely popular. A lot of juicers like it because it basically does the same thing as Deca, (Nandrolone) only is cleaner and lasts a lot longer. I have heard stories of this shit staying in your system for 12 weeks!

You're probably correct though. He probably jumped on so as to come back from the injury quicker but he should have done a little better research as there are many alternatives that he could have taken and not tested positive.

novalia

09-20-2006, 10:02 AM

UFC 63: Hughes vs. Penn saturday night..

Main Card Fights:
UFC Welterweight Champion Matt Hughes vs. B.J. Penn (WW)
Mike Swick vs. David Loiseau (MW)
Jason Lambert vs. Rashad Evans (LHW)
Joe Lauzon vs. Jens Pulver (LW)
Gabe Ruediger vs. Melvin Guillard (LW)

Preliminary Fights:
Roger Huerta vs. Jason Dent (LW)
Mario Neto vs. Eddie Sanchez (HW)
Danny Abbadi (185) vs. Jorge Gurgel (155)
David Lee vs. Tyson Griffin (LW)

d0uche_n0zzle

09-20-2006, 10:09 AM

Danny Abbadi (185) vs. Jorge Gurgel (155)

WTF, grudge match?

Cybouncer

09-20-2006, 10:26 AM

WTF, grudge match?

Not really.

Jorge is going to beat the piss out of him. That is, if he can stay healthy of course.:action-sm

Cromwell

09-20-2006, 11:25 AM

UFC 63: Hughes vs. Penn saturday night..

I wasn't aware that Chuck was good friends with both combatants here.

I do like the fact that he really does dislike Tito. :icon_mrgr

commish13

09-20-2006, 11:29 AM

I'm kind of apathetic toward Tito, but I've disliked Shamrock since I first saw him, back when he got into the WWF. I hope Tito destroys him on the 10th.

Then, as far as I'm concerned it's a foregone conclusion anyway.

Palerider4146

09-20-2006, 12:26 PM

I didnt think in a sanctioned match you were able to fight two wieght classes apart?

mendozathejew

09-20-2006, 07:22 PM

Dana White and Pride President keep blaming the other for wanderlei and liddell not officially fighting yet. now this from Pride:

Q4: Is Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddell still on for November?
Sakakibara: Speaking on behalf of PRIDE, we are ready anytime. Also, Wanderlei is ready; we just need the doctor's confirmation from his injury from last week. We are still waiting for UFC's response. Mirko even said that if Wanderlei is not fighting in November, he will fight in his place. In some interviews, Mr. Dana White stated that this fight won't happen, but speaking from PRIDE side, we are ready.

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index.php?mainpage=news&news_id=839
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=431482

av8rOC

09-20-2006, 07:27 PM

Im sure its Dana, however I dont think any athletic commision would clear him to fight 6 weeks after getting knocked out cold. I could be wrong however.

av8rOC

09-20-2006, 07:28 PM

Anyone have the audio of the Chuck interview?

mendozathejew

09-20-2006, 07:40 PM

Im sure its Dana, however I dont think any athletic commision would clear him to fight 6 weeks after getting knocked out cold. I could be wrong however.
while I dislike dana white and like Pride better than UFC, I think pride is more to blame than dana white. its dana whites fault for announcing a fight that hadnt been signed yet, and getting all of our hopes up. white may have expected too much from pride to complete the deal, but I think pride is just fucking around with Ufc for publicity and not taking this as seriously as dana white is.

and I highly doubt dana white would ever agree to liddell fighting cro cop, that would as brutal as cro cop - silva. crop cop is a HW but only 220 lbs, the size difference wouldnt be huge, but liddell would be in a world of trouble.

Palerider4146

09-20-2006, 08:42 PM

Well it sure looks like someone needs to shit or get off the pot. If Pride says it's a go, then Dana should now respond. I dont think at this point it would be fair to ask Chuck to fight at HW. Hell I personally think that if he cut some weight, Chuck might even be able to make MW. It's 20 pounds, but chuck looks like a softer LHW. I dont know what the minimum rest period after a KO is.

d0uche_n0zzle

09-20-2006, 08:45 PM

You don't want to rush back into the octagon after a concussion.

mendozathejew

09-20-2006, 09:03 PM

Pride has a handful of fighters to throw at UFC, it doesnt have to be silva.

Shogun is arguably the worlds best 205 fighter atlest the most talented. ricardo arona is a nightmare to fight, especially for stand up fighters.

I guess fans have wanted to see wanderlei and liddell for so long other matchups arent really considered.

Cybouncer

09-21-2006, 11:19 AM

I still really like Tito. He has a great work ethic and he won me back over after last seasons TUF. He is wasting his time fighting Shamrock again.

As far as Chuck not liking him...

Back in the day, Chuck and Tito used to train together and were good friends. This was in the height of Tito's domination (01-02) but then it quickly became apparent that Tito was dodging him. It was pretty obvious and it caused the bad blood to boil.

I would love to see an Ortiz/Liddell rematch.

There is no way Wanderlei is going to get cleared after the beating he took from CroCop. That guy is amazing.

Cromwell

09-21-2006, 11:39 AM

I still really like Tito. He has a great work ethic and he won me back over after last seasons TUF.

I agree - I gained respect for Tito as a coach. The respect that guys like deaf-wrestler Matt and that lanky Hawaiian kid (I can't remember his name at the moment) showed to to Tito can't be ignored.

However, its Tito's ring personality and his bragging mouth that wants me to see Lidell give him a pounding.

He is wasting his time fighting Shamrock again.

He'll win again - but hopefully Ken will give him a tougher fight, in this, his final match.

As far as Chuck not liking him...

Back in the day, Chuck and Tito used to train together and were good friends. This was in the height of Tito's domination (01-02) but then it quickly became apparent that Tito was dodging him. It was pretty obvious and it caused the bad blood to boil.

Chuck mentioned the dodging, but the fact that Tito talks too much shit. Meanwhile, Chuck beat the crap out of him the last time they fought.

I would love to see an Ortiz/Liddell rematch.

Chuck said its going to happen. After the Tito-Shamrock fight.

There is no way Wanderlei is going to get cleared after the beating he took from CroCop. That guy is amazing.

Then lets get CroCop-Lidell on.

novalia

09-21-2006, 12:24 PM

also keep in mind it wasnt so much tito doging chuck.. tito was the champion.. and the biggest name in the ufc at the time.. he was trying to work over dana for more money.. which is also why him and dana were not on the best of terms.. i think it was more of tito not wanting to fight because he wasnt getting paid what he felt he deserved than him being afraid of chuck..

i lose respect for chuck a little bit each time he talks shit like that about tito... chuck is getting paid.. by the ufc.. by xience.. he is a millionaire.. in part, on the backs of all the guys that came before him...

he should show a little more respect than he does.

Bone Dry

09-21-2006, 11:20 PM

Cybouncer

09-22-2006, 01:00 PM

Shamrock claims that it shouldn't have been stopped. It was total domination by TIto and Chuck was done right from the start.

Mendoza is right about the ring personality of Tito. You either love it or hate it. Personally, I get a kick out of it but I can see how it would be annoying.

BTW, I also got a kick out of Baroni when he was juiced up.

av8rOC

09-22-2006, 01:22 PM

I was just watching TUF and their was a commercial for Shamrock vs. Ortiz 3. It said something about the last fight ending in controversy? The way I remember it was Shamrock getting the shit kicked out of him again. Did I missing something?

You are correct but the fight COULD have lasted a little longer. Despite the heavyweight title fight that night the Ortiz/Shamrock fight was the most promoted and Dana knows damn well sold more PPV's. People didnt feel like they got their $40 worth as quickly as it was stopped and Dana decided to put a 3rd match on free tv. Good idea IMO

Cromwell

09-22-2006, 01:24 PM

i lose respect for chuck a little bit each time he talks shit like that about tito... chuck is getting paid.. by the ufc.. by xience.. he is a millionaire.. in part, on the backs of all the guys that came before him...

he should show a little more respect than he does.

Chuck shows respect for every other fighter in the UFC.

Tito is the *only* one he doesn't, and that's because Tito talks a lot of shit.

Chuck pummelled his ass - and he'll do it again.

End of.

Cybouncer

09-22-2006, 02:01 PM

Chuck shows respect for every other fighter in the UFC.

Tito is the *only* one he doesn't, and that's because Tito talks a lot of shit.

Chuck pummelled his ass - and he'll do it again.

End of.

I agree that Chuck beat the piss out of Tito the first time around but you can't just assume that he'll do it again.

Tito is in great shape right now and I think it will be a great fight. I can't wait for December!

BTW,
I mentioned Baroni earlier. He was released by UFC after 4 straight losses and is now fighting in Pride and kicking some ass. He is 4-2 since being signed last spring.

I have a hard time getting into Pride and I can't really give you a reason why. I watch it from time to time but unless Cro Cop is fighting, I can't really stay interested.
Just saying...

Cybouncer

09-22-2006, 04:05 PM

sorry I had to post this
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3250/11322172869na3.jpg

Sorry for the double post but...

Cro Cop gets Snuffed! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFT055yLhM)

Now, what does it prove?

Liddell knocked out Randleman.
Randleman knocked out Cro Cop.
Liddell was knocked out by Jackson.

Jackson is the best fighter in the world???:action-sm

My point is, it proves nothing. When you are fighters of this class, it can go either way, depending on who is on that day.

Cro Cop vs. Liddell HAS to happen!

Cromwell

09-22-2006, 04:10 PM

When you are fighters of this class, it can go either way, depending on who is on that day.

Good point, my big boned friend :icon_cool

With that same logic (and I agree with it) Ken can beat Tito.

mendozathejew

09-22-2006, 05:45 PM

Cro Cop vs. Liddell HAS to happen!

the rampage fight is only relevant becuase chuck was so dominated at his own game the standup, from a wrestler who could strike.

there isnt a chance in hell dana white lets cro cop anywhere near chuck liddell. chuck would get hurt badly and dana white knows it. shit if liddell is gona step up and fight Prides best heavyweights just go for broke and fight fedor. its not gona happen

novalia

09-22-2006, 09:00 PM

Chuck shows respect for every other fighter in the UFC.

Tito is the *only* one he doesn't, and that's because Tito talks a lot of shit.

Chuck pummelled his ass - and he'll do it again.

End of.

crom i always respect you but please add to this beatdown the fact that chuck thumbed tito in the eye directly before the big onslaught that won him the fight.. discarding that fact really undermines tito as a fighter.. getting thumbed in the eye is no joke and chuck did not pounce on tito until tito showed obvious distress at this thumbing...

watch the fight again and tell me if you disagree.

novalia

09-22-2006, 09:07 PM

I have a hard time getting into Pride and I can't really give you a reason why. I watch it from time to time but unless Cro Cop is fighting, I can't really stay interested.
Just saying...

pride is a much better run organization.. they have built a brand by showing the best fighters at almost every event.. and they usually dont bail on fighters as quickly as the ufc does.. they allow their fighters to develop and that builds a fan base.. most ufc fights you have 3 or 4 guys you've seen before then 7 or 8 fighters you've never seen.. having watched every single pride event and every single ufc event i prefer pride.. i would also add that the fans in japan truly appreciate the art of mma whereas the US fan will boo before the action ever starts.

mendozathejew

09-22-2006, 09:16 PM

pride is the better organization. its got the best fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko. they put on a show production wise is second to none including hbo boxing. shogun, gomi, cro cop, silva- their highlight reels put anyone else to shame. and the divisions are much deeper than ufc. I like ufc dont get me wrong but pride is a better product and much more worth the ppv money

Cybouncer

09-23-2006, 12:10 AM

Like I said,

You are both correct in everything you said. There is something about those friggin japs though.

av8rOC

09-23-2006, 11:30 AM

I can't stand all the fucking Pride vs. UFC bs. Its all MMA and its all good. They are two competing business' and getting one posterboy to fight another has huge financial ramifications for either side. At this point its looking like Pride is desperate to tap into American PPV market and steal some of UFC's recent thunder. Dont expect any cross promotional fights anytime soon.
DId anyone hear this yesterday??? :
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/8/...20Pride%20.mp3

Fucking entertaining audio.

Anyway I hate how all the online MMA boards are saturated with Pride v UFC bickering. They both have great fighters, they both are puting out a quality product, and I am enjoying all the growth the sport is seeing as a result. That OWGP was probably the most entertaining night of fights I have ever seen. With that said have you seen the Real Deal linup? Its a circus matchup.
At the same time the quality of UFC PPV's have gone downhill, sure. But they still manage to have a quality main event and at least 2 good undercards. They are putting out almost 2 shows a month! Half of which are free! The watered down cards are simply growing pains. Things are only going to get better for the sport. (HBO deal)
Im done rambling on about this.

Predictions for tonight?

Hughes tko strikes round 2
Loiseau ko round 1

d0uche_n0zzle

09-23-2006, 12:13 PM

Hughes is going to body slam Penn into submission or a KO, whichever comes first.

mendozathejew

09-23-2006, 07:03 PM

penn by submission in round 2

av8rOC

09-23-2006, 07:35 PM

I should have mentioned that I would pick Hughes if I was betting but I will be rooting for Penn.
Either way I believe its GSP's belt soon...

weezcase

09-23-2006, 07:46 PM

gsp is the future of the UFC but i don't know if he is ready for hughes again, and i think penn is gonna get a good ol' fashioned iowa ass whup'n by the farm boy

weezcase

09-23-2006, 07:51 PM

Anyway I hate how all the online MMA boards are saturated with Pride v UFC bickering.

pride is good, but any mma with a ring is inferior to the cage, the refs in japan are totally biassed towards japanese fighters and hardly ever card them

on the other side of the coin, in america (and especially UFC) the refs have a tendency to end the fight way to early witch sets up alot of remaches, but cheats alot of fighters who might be able to comeback from a big strike

Cromwell

09-24-2006, 08:21 AM

Some good commentary about the Hughes-Penn fight in this Sherdog topic:http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=433490&page=2

It appears Penn took the early rounds, but Matt came storming back (like a true Champion does) and won it.

Palerider4146

09-24-2006, 09:21 AM

That was a hell of a fight, unfortuanately most people who seem to watch MMA are always looking for the big KO, but technically that was an amazing match. Great takedown defense by BJ, against one of the best takedown men in the game. Against other opponents, Matt would have lifted and slammed them once he got them up against the cage. BJ should be called gumby, how the hell do you sprawl when your other leg is between the others guy leg, that was insane.

Unfortunately BJ gassed big time, much like he did against GSP. That sub attempt at the end of round 2 was one of the sickest things I have ever seen. Great arm, leg triangle with a little arm bar thrown in at the end. I really thought Matts arm was getting broken. He also started to turn a scary white color. Some people are impressed when the guys face turns purple, but the white that hughes started showing in his face and arm was that of no blood supply reaching there, absolutely insane.

Some people at one of the mma forums were bitching that Big John ended the fight to soon. I really think they are out of their minds. Matt did a great job of isolating his arms, even adjusting it a few times and locking it up with his legs. You cant let a guy keep getting pummeled like that.

Although the UFC is notorious for putting up rematches, who wouldnt want to see a rubber match between these two. But GSP needs to get his match first. You also are going to have to give the TUF winner his title shot. I would imagine that would be next spring some time since the TUF finale will probably be in late oct and you would want to train for some months before a championship fight.

Nice win for Swick, but he never dominated the crow and was lucky in the third he didnt get kod. He is not ready for Ace, but the bigger problem in the UFC is that currently maybe no one is ready for him. It should be a good fight between Silva and Ace, we will see.

Cromwell

09-24-2006, 10:28 AM

Great arm, leg triangle with a little arm bar thrown in at the end. I really thought Matts arm was getting broken. He also started to turn a scary white color. Some people are impressed when the guys face turns purple, but the white that hughes started showing in his face and arm was that of no blood supply reaching there, absolutely insane.

Which just goes to show the heart and desire of Hughes. That he could withstand that kind of pain and still come back to win.

You cant let a guy keep getting pummeled like that.

Ground and pound, baby. Nobody does it better than Hughes.

who wouldnt want to see a rubber match between these two. But GSP needs to get his match first. You also are going to have to give the TUF winner his title shot. I would imagine that would be next spring some time since the TUF finale will probably be in late oct and you would want to train for some months before a championship fight.

Yeah, that whole TUF thing throws a monkey wrench into it. Matt Serra truly believes he can beat Hughes. I hope he at least gets his shot.

Nice win for Swick, but he never dominated the crow

I lost a lot respect for Loiseau after he ran away from Franklin through that whole fight. He's not a contender, but a pretender. He's really not much more than just elbows, anyway. I'm glad Swick won.

He is not ready for Ace, but the bigger problem in the UFC is that currently maybe no one is ready for him.

Very much like Hughes, Rich has that intangible something (call in heart and desire?) that merges perfectly with incredible natural ability.

It should be a good fight between Silva and Ace, we will see.

Can't wait to see it.

Now for the most important question - can anyone upload the Hughes-Penn fight to YouTube? I've been looking, but so far its not there.

av8rOC

09-24-2006, 11:07 AM

One of the most entertaining two rounds I have ever seen! BJ is better in all aspects of the game but Matt is a training freak and had way more gas in the tank. If BJ would have trained cardio with Tito at big bear I think he would have won it.

I dont think you could be more wrong about the Crow Cromwell. He went 5 rounds against the best 185lb fighter in the world. (sorry guys, I dont think Hendo would hang) Mike Swick is the real deal and had that match gone another 3 minutes he would have been ktfo. Unfortunately Loiseau came out tenative the first two rounds.. ring rust maybe...maybe cause he took such a beating last time.

Po'sUke

09-24-2006, 06:11 PM

Good card last night.Penn really is a technical prodigy unfortunately he's also too much of a headcase to be as great as he should be.

Great work by Hughes to stay in the fight and capitalize on Penn's cardio meltdown.Penn would've starved to death before he got out of that holdown Hughes had in with at the end.

weezcase

09-24-2006, 07:22 PM

say all you want about penn being a great fighter, but a truly great fighter would have come to the ring prepared for 5 rounds, he lost all of my respect last night

av8rOC

09-24-2006, 07:40 PM

say all you want about penn being a great fighter, but a truly great fighter would have come to the ring prepared for 5 rounds, he lost all of my respect last night

aparently he broke his rib in the second. that injury makes it almost impossible to breath... that could explain the instant loss of energy.

ultimatly hughes was the better fighter, but you still have to respect BJ and how well he did the first 2 rounds.

d0uche_n0zzle

09-24-2006, 07:42 PM

Yep, a busted rib would make most people throw the towel in.

Palerider4146

09-24-2006, 07:44 PM

Now for the most important question - can anyone upload the Hughes-Penn fight to YouTube? I've been looking, but so far its not there.

Ahhhhh yes, apparently the UFC has gotten very good at getting all their stuff off you tube as quickly as possibile.

BTW, I wouldnt say Loiseau lost all my respect, that is hard to do after sticking with Ace as long as he did without getting kod.

mendozathejew

09-24-2006, 07:45 PM

penn took the fight on 5 weeks notice, so his cardio wasnt gonna be great, it usually isnt anyway. he doesnt work on cardio its clearly his biggest weakness.

d0uche_n0zzle

09-24-2006, 08:12 PM

And that's the rest of the story...

SOS

09-25-2006, 02:50 AM

Boston Herald (http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=159007&format=&page=1)

Future looks ‘Icy’ for Ortiz
Sunday, September 24, 2006

With his third fight against Ken Shamrock looming, it couldn’t have helped Tito Ortiz’ preparations too much to hear light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell talk about knocking him out on the Opie and Anthony syndicated radio show this week.

Liddell voiced his dislike for the Huntington Beach Bad Boy, saying he mouthed off far too much. He also said he would like nothing else than to silence him in the near future.

That future may be closer than you think. The Iceman told the O&A audience that he planned on getting a piece of Ortiz after Ortiz’ Oct. 10 Spike TV fight against Shamrock. Word in and around the UFC is that, if Ortiz dispatches Shamrock for a third time, Liddell-Ortiz II likely would take place Dec. 30 at the MGM Grand in Vegas.

Of course, Liddell stopped Ortiz the first time they met at UFC 47 in April of 2004. The fight was halted just 38 seconds into the second round after Liddell exploded with a flurry of punches and dropped Ortiz for the first time in his career. The referee quickly put an end to it.

Since then, Ortiz has won four straight fights, including a split decision over Forrest Griffin at UFC 59. Meanwhile, Liddell, who UFC president Dana White refers to as the baddest fighter on the planet, hasn’t lost since dropping a unanimous decision to Randy Couture in June 2003, a loss he’s avenged twice since then.

And there’s one more thing on Tito’s plate. White told the Herald two weeks ago that he’s training for a boxing match with Ortiz in the near future.

Before any of this, Ortiz must focus on the 42-year-old Shamrock, a bitter rival and a crafty, experienced battler. The free-TV showdown at the Seminole Hard Rock in Hollywood, Fla., is the result of a controversial stoppage of the two fighters’ previous match, a first-round TKO victory for Ortiz at UFC 61 on July 8.

The Maine man

If you watched UFC 63 last night, you know that the next big show will be UFC 65 on Nov. 18. Heavyweight champion and Maine’s own Tim Sylvia will headline against Jeff Monson in a title bout from Arco Arena in Sacramento, Calif. It will be the UFC’s first show at the 17,000-plus seat venue.

The 6-foot-8, 265-pound Sylvia, who won his belt from former champion Andrei Arlovski, has his work cut out for him. Monson, who stands a full 11 inches shorter than the Maine-iac, is a world champion submission grappler who trains with the American Top Team. Monson is most well known for his strength and his wrestling skills but has concentrated on his boxing skills and is now a threat standing as well as on the ground.

I’m very excited about this fight, Sylvia said. Jeff is a great opponent for me. I’m going to go out there and try to knock him out.

Along with his height advantage, Sylvia enjoys a sizable reach advantage. And I’m a better striker than he is, Sylvia said.

Also, my conditioning, it’s off the charts for a heavyweight. I don’t think any other heavyweight can go as far as I can in a fight.

Sylvia, who hails from Ellsworth, Maine, and now fights out of Davenport, Iowa, is proud of his New England roots.

“I love the authenticity (in Boston), the historic buildings downtown,” he said. “It’s cool, I respect the heritage and I’m proud to be from the East Coast. I always have a great time when I’m in Boston.”

Titles up for grabs

Another title fight looming is UFC 64, set for Oct. 14 at Mandalay Bay, pitting middleweight champion Rich Franklin against Brazilian striking specialist Anderson Silva. The card will also feature Dover’s Kenny Florian seeking the lightweight title belt against Sean Sherk.

Franklin, 31, is a dominant 22-1 in the UFC, while Silva comes in at 15-4, fresh off a first-round knockout of Chris Leben in June.

“His striking will make it more difficult for me to win the fight,” Franklin said. “If it goes to the ground, I think he has a better ground game than he’s given credit for. In my training I’m rolling with a bunch of guys that all have different styles, so I’m prepared for anything that happens on the ground.”

commish13

09-25-2006, 03:07 AM

Yep.

mendozathejew

09-25-2006, 06:27 AM

bjpenn.com
After just arriving back in Hawaii, BJ talks about the outcome of his tough UFC 63 title fight against Matt Hughes which took place yesterday evening at Arrowhead Pond in Anahiem CA.

Interviewer:
So BJ how are you doing?

BJ:
I just got back to Hawaii. I'm resting up, I have some injuries. Other than that I'm okay.

Interviewer:
So you just fought Matt Hughes. Could you walk us through the first round?

BJ:
I felt good, I was happy that I was defending Matt's takedowns. I could see that Matt improved his standup. I wish I tried some takedowns, but other than that I was happy with it.

Interviewer:
You say he improved his standup. How?

BJ:
He was dodging my punches well, and he had a good jab.

Interviewer:
What did you think of his takedowns?

BJ:
His takedowns were good and strong, exactly what I expected.

Interviewer:
Take us through the second round.

BJ:
I felt great going in, Matt started trying to take me down from my right leg, it's something I expected he might do. He got me down against the fence, but I was thinking about this position alot and I was ready. When he went for a big elbow, he missed and I capitalized and started going for his back. At this moment, when I was making the turn towards his back, I felt my ribs seperate on my right side. Although I didn't know the severity of the situation. I was thinking I have to finish him now because I knew something was wrong. Matt defended himself well and got through the round. When I got up to walk to my corner, I knew something was wrong, but I didn't want to talk about it with my corner. I wanted to be the champ. I wanted to keep fighting.

Interviewer:
What about round 3?

BJ:
I remember standing up out of the corner in pain. But I was thinking, "Earn your title this is what you have to do to get your belt back, fight through the pain". I knew the oppurtunity I had with getting this fight, especially after losing my last fight. I wasn't going to quit on the corner. I kept going because I honestly believed it was destiny. When me and Matt were boxing I felt like I couldn't breathe and had no mobility in my core. But I kept thinking something good is going to happen. When Matt started dominating the stand up I tried for a takedown. I had nothing and pulled to guard. I felt like I couldn't do anything on the ground. But I was still positive. Matt hit me in the ribs from half guard. The pain was so excruciating I had to use my far hand to block it. I would rather Matt pass my guard and punch my face the hit my ribs. When Matt was in his favorite position that he likes. I was still thinking I was going to win somehow. Big John gave me plenty of time. I practiced defending against that position with flexibility, but I had none with my core. Even when Big John stopped the fight, I was still so positive I thought I escaped. Congratulations to Matt, he is a great fighter. It's not his fault that that happened, he fought like the champion he is. He deserved the victory.

Interviewer:
So how are your ribs doing now?

BJ:
There just hurting, I couldn't sleep last night, I couldn't lay down, Every time I breathe it expands my ribcage and aggrevates my ribs.

Interviewer:
How do you think your conditioning was for this fight?

BJ:
I was training great. I trained 5 to 6 rounds a couple times a week. I was also doing explosive cardio and getting proper rest.

Interviewer:
Anything to say to your fans?

BJ:
Thanks for your support. I already got a lot of emails from my fans. Thank you very much.
Keep checking my site and I'll keep you posted.

Interviewer:
So what is next for BJ Penn?

BJ:
I've got to take care of my ribs, so I'm taking 2 months off, and my suspension for the TKO. I talked to Dana and he said to give him a call when I'm ready to fight. It takes a long time to prepare for these fights and I'm very disappointed I got injured like that. I gotta sit down for a couple weeks and clear my head and see where I am in fighting.
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Palerider4146

09-25-2006, 11:18 AM

I'll say this about a rib injury. When I was in college I was wrestling a match, me and my opponent were in a greco lock each trying to toss each other, I wound up being able to throw him but unfortunately out of bounds. When I came down on top, my right side landed on his elbow. I was in excrutiating pain, but just thought I got the wind knocked out of me. I took some injury time, got up and started to wrestle again. Over the next 90 seconds, I could feel my energy being zapped from me. I was a heavyweight, and not a very good one at that, so I figured I was just getting tired as us fat bastards do very often. Toward the end of the period, I was shot, I reversed him at one point, picked him up and slammed him again, but was so tired he got out and reversed me. 30 secs later I was pinned with no energy to fight it. I figured I just bruised my ribs and that was it. We had 2 weeks off during the holidays, so my side got better.

2 years later I was getting a physical for my new EMS job and they did a chest xray. The tech asks me when I broke my ribs. He actually saw the old fractures on my two ribs from that match. Hell I thougt i just bruised him.

OH yeah, back to my point. A rib injury like Penns will zap him. When you fight like that, you need to control your breathing a certain way. If every time you take a breath, it is agonizing, you really cant fight properly. It makes a lot of sense now looking at the match again. He actually looked real fresh up until that 3rd round, so I'm not suprised if he has a legit injury.

This really makes me want to see a rubber match between them. Especially with Matt (whom I am a fan of) bashing BJ the way he did. That was kind of uncalled for. You just beat the guys head in, no need to verbally bash him especially since he almost got choked out 4 mins earlier.

Cromwell

09-25-2006, 03:53 PM

I'm not doubting you - but - where exactly is it written (or video of) that Hughes is bashing Penn after the fight?

All I could find was this:

Brawl Sports
Ultimate fighting and more with Steve Sievert

« Hughes avenges loss to Penn | Main

September 25, 2006
Must-see UFC - Hughes vs. Penn III
Bring on the trilogy.

The stunning outcome of the main event at UFC 63 demands a third fight between welterweight champion Matt Hughes and BJ Penn. The first two battles between these MMA veterans were stirring affairs. Round one went to the better fighter. Round two was won by the better athlete. It's only natural that we get a third go-round.

Saturday night in Anaheim, both Hughes and Penn were able to execute their fight plans to perfection - almost. As expected, Hughes went for takedowns early, but Penn's defense was masterful. The Hawaiian easily won the first round. Hughes finally got Penn down in the second round, but Penn, escaped with extraordinary flexibility and had the Miletich fighter in a world of trouble in the final minute of the round.

With Penn seemingly seconds away from choking out Hughes or forcing a tap, Hughes said the only thing he knew to do was say a prayer. It was answered. The champion survived - barely - to fight another round, and he took advantage of a spent Penn, who despite being in control of the bout, was breathing hard by the end of the first five minutes.

Give Penn credit, he went for it in that final minute of the second round. He saw an opportunity use his jiu-jitsu experience to squeeze the life out of Hughes with a body triangle, while he simultaneously worked on an armbar. It was precision stuff. Unfortunately for Penn, his conditioning couldn't match his skills.

Hughes dominated the third stanza - "The Prodigy" didn't land a blow - and once the champ had Penn pinned in the center of the octagon, he dropped - and I counted them - 42 unanswered blows to Penn's head. Referee BJM had no choice, but to wave it off.

Some fans say Penn wasn't in good enough shape because he had only six weeks to prepare for the fight. I'm not buying it. Penn was due to fight on the Oct. 10 card in Florida. He should have been in shape.

You can make a case that BJ Penn is the most talented fighter in the UFC - and his performance at 63 bolstered your argument. But, we also saw Saturday night that there's something missing in his game.

Even though Penn came in looking trim and fit at 166 pounds, he simply wasn't in good enough shape to go three rounds, let alone the scheduled five.

Here's hoping he learns from the experience and gets a bit more familiar with roadwork before, what we know, will be a third date with Matt Hughes.

*****

Obviously this was written before it was revealed that Penn broke his ribs. But - again - how did that happen? On a blow by Hughes? If so - that's all part of it too.

mendozathejew

09-25-2006, 05:36 PM

after the fight GSP came into the octagon WWE style and said he wasnt impressed with hughes performance

novalia

09-25-2006, 06:03 PM

i wasnt impressed either.. wow he beat a guy that had 5 weeks notice.. and only beat him for that very reason.. otherwise he was dominated in every aspect.. striking.. wrestling.. submissions.. he only showed superiority after penn was exhausted..

the most dominant welterweight the ufc has ever seen? i dunno.. the first newton fight he should have lost except the refereee didnt see him unconscious before he fell and "slammed" carlos... if he loses that fight who knows how things would have developed...the second newton fight carlos wasnt the same person after the beating he took in his win against Pele... Part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiTBemyZWBQ) Part2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIfI-PpSco)

hughes was VERY lucky last night.. and i'm not saying GSP is the man to beat him... i am saying that penn is definitely the man to beat him.. provided he trains seriously.

Palerider4146

09-25-2006, 09:01 PM

When Rogan was interviewing Hughes after the fight, Matt mentioned that he was disappointed that BJ wasnt in good enough shape to go 5 rounds. I will have to go back and check the DVR to get the exact quote. During the post fight in ring interview, Matt said that this guy across the ring should be whats up next for me, and GSP came over, took the mic from Rogan and almost smirking said " I wasnt impressed with you Matt" at which point Hughes and I think his father were were obviously pissed off. Matt even pulled GSP close to him and said something. Afterwards Rogan was talking to Goldberg and mentioned that Matt was thoroughly pissed off at GSP for disrespecting him and that he had never seen Matt so angry before. He also said that GSP apologized and said he was just doing it to hype the fight but Matt didnt want to hear anything about it. GSP has always been a classy guy and I'm sure it was just hype, but this will make the fight more interesting.

Like I said before, I'm a Hughes fan, but he really cant be to pissed off at GSP since he had just got done bashing BJ. The only difference is that GSP had nothing to do with the fight.

Palerider4146

09-25-2006, 09:08 PM

By the way, I wouldnt say that BJ owned Matt. Matt was the aggresor and they probably split the first two rounds. BJ's takedown defense was insane, but there wasnt much offense up until the final 2 mins of round 2. Matt was actually trying to pop out the back door when BJ had his back since he was riding him high. Who the hell would have thought he would throw in that weird reverse triangle/armbar. Not many people other than Penn could pull off crap like that. Yes Matt had to be close to tapping out or being choked out, but that is what makes champions. Many people would have tapped much sooner. I saw examples of this when watching IFL on FSN yesterday. Three guys from Bas' Anaconda team choked guys out with guilotines. Each tapped without much of a fight, one guy at 26 secs of round one, the other at 19 seconds of the first round.

Cromwell

09-29-2006, 07:45 AM

Yes Matt had to be close to tapping out or being choked out, but that is what makes champions. Many people would have tapped much sooner. I saw examples of this when watching IFL on FSN yesterday. Three guys from Bas' Anaconda team choked guys out with guilotines. Each tapped without much of a fight, one guy at 26 secs of round one, the other at 19 seconds of the first round.

Quoted for truth

I understand we debate shit to death here - and that's cool - that's what this forum is for.

But for anyone to have anything but respect for Matt Hughes - I don't get it.

The guy has the heart of a Lion and the skills to back it up. They just showed his fight with Riggs again last night (on the show before TUF) - he just destroyed him - and took Riggs out with brilliant Ju Jitsu. Matt is a complete MMA fighter.

I'm glad he's got a little "anger" up for GSP now. The quotes in the articles were all to "gentlemanly" before. A little "hatred" before a match is always good for entertainment purposes. GSP hasn't shown he can beat Hughes yet.

And if Carlos Newton is so great - where is he now? Why doesn't he come back and fight Matt now? Because he'd get beat - that's why.

My prediction is - Matt will retire from the UFC still holding the belt.

av8rOC

09-29-2006, 09:29 AM

Quoted for truth

I understand we debate shit to death here - and that's cool - that's what this forum is for.

But for anyone to have anything but respect for Matt Hughes - I don't get it.

The guy has the heart of a Lion and the skills to back it up. They just showed his fight with Riggs again last night (on the show before TUF) - he just destroyed him - and took Riggs out with brilliant Ju Jitsu. Matt is a complete MMA fighter.

I'm glad he's got a little "anger" up for GSP now. The quotes in the articles were all to "gentlemanly" before. A little "hatred" before a match is always good for entertainment purposes. GSP hasn't shown he can beat Hughes yet.

And if Carlos Newton is so great - where is he now? Why doesn't he come back and fight Matt now? Because he'd get beat - that's why.

My prediction is - Matt will retire from the UFC still holding the belt.

I have a ton of respect for Matt Hughes but unless he retires before his next fight with Georges, he wont retire with any belt.

novalia

09-29-2006, 04:54 PM

i didnt say carlos newton could beat hughes now.. the point i made was that matt won the belt from carlos under questionable circumstances.. he was choked out.. and fell down.. which is why newton got knocked out... the only reason matt won was because the ref looked right instead of left.

and all i said was that i wasnt impressed with hughes performance sat night.. i dont think gsp was either.

i love matt hughes.. i just think penn is better.. but dana hates him so i highly doubt a rematch would happen..

av8rOC

09-29-2006, 06:37 PM

Cromwell

09-30-2006, 04:01 PM

Well I'm continually "impressed" with Hughes.

Hey check it out - Fox Sports is now covering the MMA

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6013106

The Weekly Tapout: Hughes in a groove
Dave Doyle / FOXSports.com

Matt Hughes has beaten nearly everyone put in his path, but even he knows he can't beat Father Time.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship welterweight titleholder turns 33 on October 13. He's been on top of the 170-pound scene for most of the past five years, an eternity in fight time, and has won 19 of his past 20 matches.
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"I'm getting old, I need to fight when I can," said Hughes. "My clock's ticking."

But Hughes isn't thinking of slowing down. Just the opposite. Coming off his gutsy three-round victory over B.J. Penn at UFC 63, Hughes will fight on less than two months' turnaround when he puts his belt on the line against Georges St. Pierre at UFC 65 on Nov. 18 at Arco Arena in Sacramento.

"Before I only fought three times a year, but now that the UFC is doing shows every month, I like it," Hughes said after beating Penn. "If I could get four, five fights per year, I've never been one to turn down competition."

Hughes certainly got his share of competition at UFC 63. Penn, the only man to beat Hughes in the past six years, gave the champion all he could handle for two rounds before fatigue and injury allowed the champion to turn it up to another level and hold on to his title in one of the year's most dramatic fights.

"He got me those first two rounds," said Hughes, who was nearly submitted late in the second round, first with a triangle, then with an armbar. "I knew B.J. would be a firecracker in the first round, so I put it in my mind I could lose the first round, just get into the second round. I thought I did real good in the second round til he caught me at the end."

Penn, for his part, announced this week on his personal Web site he suffered cracked ribs in the fight. Penn's injury is no doubt legitimate, but facts are still facts: When fighting two rounds or fewer, the Hawaiian standout is 6-0 in his mixed martial arts career; when the fight goes three or more, he's 4-4-1. He's also lost three of his past four fights overall.

Penn all but bragged about his lack of training heading into the fight. Hughes said he noticed Penn slowing down as early as the second round.

If it was up to Matt Hughes, he'd be spending more time in the octagon. (Gene Kim / FOXSports.com)

"I think he got weaker every round," said Hughes. "His punches definitely got slower. There were a couple times he hit me in the first round that I didn't see it coming. In the second round, I could see it coming, but I couldn't get out of the way. ... After the second, my corner told me he could barely get back to his seat, and that just lit the fuse."

After the fight, Hughes was surprised by comments from the usually amiable St. Pierre, who said he wasn't impressed by Hughes' performance.

"I didn't understand what Georges said," Hughes said. "He looked like he was heated when he stepped in there. That's his opinion. That's fine with me. I've been champion a long time so I've heard a lot of things and everyone wants to knock me off. Get in line if you want to fight me, everyone wants to fight me, that's nothing new."

St. Pierre, whose only career loss is to Hughes, hasn't fought since March. He was supposed to challenge for the title last week, but pulled out of the fight with a groin injury, which allowed Penn to take his place. Hughes said it will be tough for the challenger to get back on track.

"I think (St. Pierre) would have liked me to lose and then faced B.J. again," Hughes said. "He lost momentum for sure. I've already beat him, I finished B.J. and he didn't. He's lost a lot of momentum, I'm sure he's going to try to go back and find a way to get mentally tough but it will be tough for him. I've been on a great little roller coaster ride."

Quick shoots
It has been an eventful week in the International Fight League. The IFL put on another successful show last weekend, this one in Moline, Ill. In the main event, Renzo Gracie submitted Pat Miletich with a guillotine at 3:37 of the first round.

All was not lost for the Team Miletich, however, as his Silverbacks beat Gracie's Pitbulls, 3-2, in the quarterfinals of the World Team Championships. Ben Rothwell's knockout of Bryan Vetell at 3:17 of the first round in the heavyweight match sealed the victory. In the evening's other team meet, the Toronto Dragons edged the San Jose Razorclaws, 3-2.

The WTC semifinals will be held Nov. 2 at the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, Ore. Miletich's Silverbacks will face the Dragons and Bas Rutten's L.A. Anacondas take on Matt Lindland's hometown Portland Wolfpack. The show will also feature Daniel Gracie vs. Allen Goes and Mark Kerr vs. Mike Whitehead.

The league also announced an expansion to 10 teams, beginning in 2007. Don Frye will coach the Tucson-based Scorpions, while Marco Ruas will lead the Southern Cal-based Pirhanas.

Finally, don't forget to tune in for two IFL specials on FOX Sports Net over the next few days. Sunday's one-hour show is highlighted by the big Lindland-Jeremy Horn fight from Portland; Monday promises a two-hour affair done in conjunction with the Best Damn Sports Show, Period and will feature highlights from Moline. Check your local listings for exact times.

One of the premiere regional MMA promotions in North America will present one of the biggest shows in company history Friday night when Quebec's TKO Promotions holds TKO 27: Resurrection at the Bell Centre in Montreal. In the co-features, lightweight Sam Stout, who holds a win over Spencer Fisher at UFC 58, takes on Jay Estrada. Estrada submitted Stout in 2:14 in both fighters' pro debut in 2003. In the other feature, Mark Hominick, who has won UFC matches over Yves Edwards and Jorge Gurgel this year, takes on Sam Guillet, an up-and-comer who's won four of his past five fights.

Strike Force announced one of the bigest indie fights of the year on Dec. 8 at the HP Pavillion in San Jose, as longtime hometown favorite Frank Shamrock will take on The New York Badass, Phil Baroni. The promotion also has its Fresno debut on Oct. 7, headlined by Tank Abbott vs. Paul Buentello. The Fresno show also features Cabbage Correira, Jason Von Flue, Duane "Bang" Ludwig and Bobby Southworth.
Dave Doyle is an editor for FOXSports.com. Be sure to check out the FOXSports.com MMA blog for exclusive UFC 63 post-fight comments from Melvin Guillard and Joe Lauzon.

mendozathejew

09-30-2006, 07:57 PM

bj penn looked phenominal til the third round after the dislocated rib, his skills are second to none, except for fedor emelianenko. the dude just doesnt do the road work. fedor can fight for days, penn can fight for minutes

av8rOC

09-30-2006, 10:40 PM

mendozathejew

09-30-2006, 11:32 PM

av8rOC

10-01-2006, 11:04 AM

the rib injury is what did him in, thats what he says and I think its true. but at the same time you've got to be honest with yourself as a fighter, and he doesnt prepare the way he could or should, so hes not honest with himself about it.

if he was in better cardio shape maybe he would have been able to get through the injury, but probably not, theres no way to tell. just about everybody else shows up to fight in the best shape they can be in, he doesnt. hes like james toney- one of the most skilled fighters of his era and refuses to do roadwork or any cardio, then hes suprised bad luck happens to himself. youve got to think it contributes to the injury

I don't connect injuries with cardio, but I could be wrong. Im not saying he wouldnt have gassed in the third anyway, but the fact is he dominated Hughes up until that point.
Either way I believe he maintained his contender status. GSP will have his shot and even Diego is in the mix, but Penn is still in there.\
The mma boards are buzzing about some "huge news" regarding Hughes but no one knows what it is. Speculation ranges from retirement to steroids to weight class change. They can be worse than wackbag!!

d0uche_n0zzle

10-01-2006, 11:15 AM

Not for nothing, but Hughes should be fighting in the 185 class, IMO.

av8rOC

10-01-2006, 11:35 AM

he said recently that if Silva manages to beat Franklin, that is exactly what he will do.
otherwise he will not fight his buddy

Cromwell

10-02-2006, 12:05 PM

he said recently that if Silva manages to beat Franklin, that is exactly what he will do.
otherwise he will not fight his buddy

That's interesting.

I always wondered who would win between Hughes and Franklin.

Hughes would still be a dominating presence in the 185 lb class.

But - why should he?

He can make the weight (170) - so why not? (how'd your parents die? - sorry - just had to do that).

Anyway, I want to see Hughes/GSP; and Hughes/Diaz.

d0uche_n0zzle

10-02-2006, 12:10 PM

When Huhges steps into the ring for a match he weighs at lot more then 170. Why isn't that considered?

Palerider4146

10-02-2006, 01:13 PM

When Huhges steps into the ring for a match he weighs at lot more then 170. Why isn't that considered?

Because it's not. In collegiate wrestling we would weigh in 20 hrs before a match, and most guys were well over their weight by the time of their match. I have posted on here before about it before, a study was done a few years ago with the results being on average a 15.8 pound weight gain over that 20 hrs, with one 118 lb wrestler gaining 15 pounds, almost 10 % of his body weight.

mendozathejew

10-03-2006, 08:02 AM

I think wrestlers, especially very competitive wrestlers, are much better at cutting weight than other fighters

Cromwell

10-03-2006, 11:49 AM

It has been an eventful week in the International Fight League. The IFL put on another successful show last weekend, this one in Moline, Ill. In the main event, Renzo Gracie submitted Pat Miletich with a guillotine at 3:37 of the first round.

All was not lost for the Team Miletich, however, as his Silverbacks beat Gracie's Pitbulls, 3-2, in the quarterfinals of the World Team Championships. Ben Rothwell's knockout of Bryan Vetell at 3:17 of the first round in the heavyweight match sealed the victory. In the evening's other team meet, the Toronto Dragons edged the San Jose Razorclaws, 3-2.

The WTC semifinals will be held Nov. 2 at the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, Ore. Miletich's Silverbacks will face the Dragons and Bas Rutten's L.A. Anacondas take on Matt Lindland's hometown Portland Wolfpack. The show will also feature Daniel Gracie vs. Allen Goes and Mark Kerr vs. Mike Whitehead.

The league also announced an expansion to 10 teams, beginning in 2007. Don Frye will coach the Tucson-based Scorpions, while Marco Ruas will lead the Southern Cal-based Pirhanas.

Finally, don't forget to tune in for two IFL specials on FOX Sports Net over the next few days. Sunday's one-hour show is highlighted by the big Lindland-Jeremy Horn fight from Portland; Monday promises a two-hour affair done in conjunction with the Best Damn Sports Show, Period and will feature highlights from Moline. Check your local listings for exact times.

I watched the IFL special last night. I like this league! The fighting was top notch.

The Renzo Gracie submission of Pat Militich was a shock. I don't think Militich thought Renzo could choke him out like that. Militich figured he'd stand up and trade punches, but Renzo just got him in an overhead guillotine choke and just would not let it go.

Very impressive.

mendozathejew

10-06-2006, 01:23 AM

this season is the exact opposite of the otehr TUF seasons. the fighters are very interesting/entertaining, the recap of their fights are good to watch making it largely an entertaining hour, except for the fights which have been dogshit. usually its the other way around for me.

the second round fights might be alot better though. guys like the puerto rican that lost tonight just didnt have much left in his tank

MikeyP

10-06-2006, 10:11 AM

I think the fights this season are MUCH better than the fights from the last two seasons.
Sure, there may be a few that aren't as good as the others, but for the most part the worst fight from this season is easily better than most of the average fights from either of the last two.

Palerider4146

10-06-2006, 10:24 AM

jorge gassed quick last night and I was kind of disappointed.

TUF is primed for a LW contest next, they are just trying to get the class going again. One idea would be to take UFC LW vets and LW newcomers in the same house. Even if you mixed the teams with a little of both, it would make for some good side stories.

Palerider4146

10-10-2006, 11:49 AM

Dont forget, tonight, on spike at 8pm, Tito-Ken III. Probably Ken's last fight. Also lots of TUF 3 undercards. Herman, Grove, Hammill to name just a few. Also remember Josh Haynes, the puggy guy with the blue hair. He's fighting Rory Singer at 185. This is probably going to be a dark match, but I would love to see it. I had said back when that I would love to see Haynes at 185. He has potential to be a beast there.

Cromwell

10-10-2006, 11:52 AM

Dont forget, tonight, on spike at 8pm, Tito-Ken III. Probably Ken's last fight.

Yup.

I'm all over it.

Then - Franklin defends his title this weekend.

MikeyP

10-10-2006, 12:00 PM

Except for Franklin/Silva I'm not all that crazy about this weekend's card. I guess it'll be good to see Sean Sherk fighting again, but watching Florian fight just doesn't excite me at all for some reason.

Cromwell

10-10-2006, 12:02 PM

Really?

I love the fact that skinny guys with razor sharp elbows can win MMA events :icon_mrgr

BaLZaC~308

10-10-2006, 08:35 PM

26 minutes.... spike
shamrock is gonna get destroyed

Boratfan

10-10-2006, 11:16 PM

Good Night of Fights tonight, it went EXACTLY how i thought. I was so happy to see Ed Herman get his ass kicked by Jason MacDonald, I can't stand him and hope he gets destroyed by whoever he faces next. I wanna see Matt Hammill work on his standup.. if he gets better with that hes gonna be an amazing fighter.

Bone Dry

10-10-2006, 11:31 PM

Does anyone know if there rerunning it? I only caught the Oritz Shamrock fight

MikeyP

10-10-2006, 11:43 PM

Really?

I love the fact that skinny guys with razor sharp elbows can win MMA events :icon_mrgr

I hear you, I just don't like Florian at all. Quite frankly I'm not sure why.

mendozathejew

10-11-2006, 12:06 AM

wow what a shock, shamrock ortiz 3 was exactly the same as shamrock ortiz 2.

av8rOC

10-11-2006, 10:39 AM

Does anyone know if there rerunning it? I only caught the Oritz Shamrock fight

they always do, check www.ufc.com for details.

I can't say I expected Herman to get owned like that, but I enjoyed it. Props to Macdonald though, he looks like a very nice addition to the 185lb division.

Hamil was disapointing. He doesnt seem to improved in anything at all. His standup is pathetic and he cant advance from guard to save his life. With that being said I still really enjoy watching him fight and I hope he can improve because as good as they are, his takedowns are not good enough for Tito or Chuck.

wow what a shock, shamrock ortiz 3 was exactly the same as shamrock ortiz 2.

everybody knew what the outcome would be, but that wasn't the point. people wanted closure and thats what they got. I'm glad Shamrock was man enough to go hug and congratulate Tito despite Tito's circus freak post fight routine and insulting t-shirt.

Cromwell

10-11-2006, 12:18 PM

I hear you, I just don't like Florian at all. Quite frankly I'm not sure why.

OK. So, do you think "The Muscle Sherk" is going to beat him?

Will Jens Pulver get a shot (now that he went and got himself knocked out by a "lesser" name)?

I can't say I expected Herman to get owned like that, but I enjoyed it. Props to Macdonald though, he looks like a very nice addition to the 185lb division.

Yeah – that triangle leg guillotine from his back was *sick*. Look – Herman got caught – plain and simple. Its clear that Ed has to rededicate himself to a *purer* sense of training. He thinks he can get by on his already-developed talent – and then still drink and party – not gonna happen. That said, I don’t really care that much about him. I’m much more impressed with Kendall Grove. That kid just keeps on improving.

Hamil was disapointing. He doesnt seem to improved in anything at all. His standup is pathetic and he cant advance from guard to save his life. With that being said I still really enjoy watching him fight and I hope he can improve because as good as they are, his takedowns are not good enough for Tito or Chuck.

Although I see your point, I have to disagree with you a bit. I thought Matt did look *somewhat* improved. Sure, he’s still got a long way to go, but he looked better in his standup than previously. But lets face it – his natural instincts are that of a wrestler. He’s always going to go back to that. But, he could develop like Hughes did. I thought Hamill gassed a bit after the first round. But lets give some credit to Seth Petruzelli – who is no pushover. He tagged Hamill a few times, and that contributed to his slowdown too. But Matt got the best of him. Sometimes it’s a simple as ground and pound.

everybody knew what the outcome would be, but that wasn't the point. people wanted closure and thats what they got. I'm glad Shamrock was man enough to go hug and congratulate Tito despite Tito's circus freak post fight routine and insulting t-shirt.

Lets see if he has any t-shirts made up for his match with Chuck. There’s a good chance he’s not gonna get to use them.

Listen, I’m very torn of who the real Tito is. Is he the guy who has the respect of Matt Hamill and Kendall Grove? Or is he the a-hole who at first didn’t want to shake Shamrock’s hand – but then did the class and sportsmanlike thing – and turn it around into a tribute to Ken.

In the end, Tito did the right thing. Of course, none of this matters to Chuck Lidell.

Palerider4146

10-11-2006, 04:59 PM

I was a bit disappointed that we didnt get to see some of the dark matches, oh well.

Remember, Hamill has been a wrestler for his entire life and has only been training MMA for less than a year. You cant teach brute strength and that is what he has. He will do the G and P and moreover the Lay and Pray for a while until he learns things like passing guard and subs. It will take time but it will happen. The one thing with him is that he's no spring chicken, he's 30 and needs to improve much quicker though.

Grove did well but I think it ended to quickly. The guy wasnt being smart about defending himself, but he wasnt getting really damaged.

That guy MacDonald did real well. I wont slam Herman to much, he got caught and really fought hard on trying to get out. Many would have tapped much sooner.

In regards to Tito, I think the real side of him came out when he tributed Ken. He's still a bit immature, but he does entertain people when he does it. Now lets wait for December 30th, I will buy that PPV.

BTW, it's been some reunion for Tito and the UFC. He will fight 4 fights in 10 months. Not bad.

Cromwell

10-12-2006, 11:14 AM

BTW, it's been some reunion for Tito and the UFC. He will fight 4 fights in 10 months. Not bad.

Don't forget this "boxing match" with Dana :rolleyes:

When's that happening?

Standby

10-12-2006, 11:23 AM

To be honest, the post-fight stuff with Tito hopefully was a sudden "whoa, he wants to bury this" realization. The shirts were made beforehand. Yeah, he didn't need to hock them after the fact but whatever.

Tito by not accepting the truce and getting Shamrock over one more time would have come off really bad. And not in the "pro wrestling heel" sort of way, but just poorly legitimately. So at least he thought well enough to not do anything stupid. Post match, the middle fingers, I can't blame him. If Shamrock was advancing and you didn't know he was just looking to shake hands, I'd think he was gonna start jawing too.

Anyway, Tito looked good, and personally I'd like to see him as the guy who has the respect of his TUF team. Hopefully the asshole thing is all for entertainment purposes. I'd at least like to believe that, so I can not feel guilty enjoying him fight.

Also, don't know if it's been mentioned recently, but it IS official.

UFC 65, November 18

Matt Hughes (c) v. George St. Pierre

Tim Sylvia (c) v. Jeff Monson

Can't wait for that second one. I want to see Monson just own Sylvia...

Cromwell

10-14-2006, 07:21 PM

personally I'd like to see him as the guy who has the respect of his TUF team. Hopefully the asshole thing is all for entertainment purposes. I'd at least like to believe that, so I can not feel guilty enjoying him fight.

I'll go along with that.

I still want to see Chuck whip his ass, though :icon_cool

Also, don't know if it's been mentioned recently, but it IS official.

UFC 65, November 18

Matt Hughes (c) v. George St. Pierre

Tim Sylvia (c) v. Jeff Monson

Can't wait for that second one. I want to see Monson just own Sylvia...

As Big John McCarthy would say: "Lets Get It On!"

Tonight - Rich Frankin defends his title.

I guess I'll be following it on Sherdog.

locallounge

10-14-2006, 09:06 PM

Here is an awesome elbow brought to you by Anderson Silva. Old, but still great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpUkneMSWE

Palerider4146

10-15-2006, 01:35 AM

Sherk new LW champ, unanimous decision. Biggest news of the night though is Rich Franklin stopped in first round. According to sherdog play by play, Rich was destroyed by Anderson's Muay Thai.

So to any naysayers who think Anderson got rushed to a title defense, maybe your right, but he is still the new champ. Question is now, does Rich get a immediate rematch, or do you maybe see Matt step up. He is fighting next month, so it may not work. I'm curious what's going to happen with the MWs now.

Did anyone see the fight. Did Rich look rusty, he hasnt fought since the crow in Feb, been a long time. According to the play by play, it sounds like got schooled in classic muay thai, couldnt escape the clinch.

urine sampler

10-15-2006, 02:00 AM

MikeyP

10-15-2006, 02:23 AM

All's I can say is... Wow, just, wow.

You ever see a nose come apart like that?

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 02:23 AM

Unbelievable fight. Silva did the exact same thing to Franklin that he did to Leben. Got him in the clinch and brutalized him with knees, then finished with high kicks. Total destruction...Im speechless,

Cromwell

10-15-2006, 08:18 AM

I'm stunned to read this!

Shocked. :icon_eek:

Holy crap.

There's a new champ in town.

It was a war of nerves in the early going, but by the second minute of the first round, both fighters started opening up a bit more, with Silva securing a tight Thai clinch that produced a series of solid knees to the body and head, one of which jarred the champ briefly. Franklin waded right back into battle, but as he came in, Silva locked his hands around Franklin’s neck again, and this time a huge right knee left Franklin stunned and open for a brutal follow-up that included two more kicks and a final left knee that sent Franklin to the canvas, where referee John McCarthy wisely halted the bout at the 3:59 mark.

Also, suprised (though not as much) to see Sherk win a unanimous decision over Florian. That must have been a bloody fight.

. . . and I see that it was:

Sherk got his biggest takedown of the night to punctuate the start of the fifth and final round, and the pattern of the previous rounds continued as Florian was simply not strong enough to keep Sherk off him. But ‘KenFlo’ got new life with 3:30 left in the fight as Mazzagatti stood the fighters and he opened up again with the kicks. And in keeping to form, Sherk again looked for the takedown, but Florian sunk in a guillotine choke on Sherk in a last ditch effort to pull off the upset. Sherk escaped though and proceeded to pick Florian up and slam him with a huge thump, and that’s where the fight ended as the clock ran out, with Sherk earning a world title and Florian earning respect from the skeptics.

“Everybody underestimated Kenny except me,” said Sherk. “He’s a tough guy and we had a great fight.”

Palerider4146

10-15-2006, 08:36 AM

Sounds like the LW champ fight was great. Now whos next for Sherk?

Silva goes to show what can happen to great fighters when they go up against world class strikers. If you get a guy who really knows how to work the Thai clinch, it could be big trouble. Please does anyone have a pic of Rich's face after the fight? I'm really starting to wonder how much the time off from injury hurt rich. He dismantled the Crow, another great striker, but sounds like he couldnt do anything against Silva.

So how long has it been since they had a Brazilian champ in the UFC, anyone know?

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 10:24 AM

Pics arent close up, but you can see them working on Rich's broken nose.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2783&zoneid=2

Palerider4146

10-15-2006, 10:28 AM

Pics arent close up, but you can see them working on Rich's broken nose.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2783&zoneid=2

The best part about that pic is seeing Jorge Gurgel, he looks like the dejected wife of Rich.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 11:19 AM

Hahah yeah, I didnt catch that. Dont forget about Tim the Giant and his security blanket in the background.

wes mantooth

10-15-2006, 12:28 PM

Saw the fights last night. Sherk was bleeding profusely the entire fight. It was definitely more of a problem for Florian though since he was on his back most of the night and the blood (from Sherk's forehead) was spilling right into his face. Rich Franklin's fight was unfortunately too short. He was trying to throw uppercuts while he was in the Muey Thai clench but he couldn't stop those knees. Pretty good night overall.

Cromwell

10-15-2006, 02:20 PM

Saw the fights last night. Sherk was bleeding profusely the entire fight. It was definitely more of a problem for Florian though since he was on his back most of the night and the blood (from Sherk's forehead) was spilling right into his face.

I'll have to see for myself (eventually)

Though I don't think Sherk dosen't deserve to be champion (clearly there are always a handful of elite fighters in every weight class that could be champion) - I am a bit concerned about the referee's decision making process, after reading this:

Basically the remainder of the final 3 rounds went almost exactly the same with Sherk taking Florian down but never really establishing any dominant ground and pound but also keeping full control of the action. When the fight was stood up, Florian did land some nice kicks to Sherk’s midsection but inevitably the fight always ended up back on the ground. While Sherk’s dominance in the fight can’t be overlooked, the referee’s decision to only stand the fighters up a handful of times over the course of 5 rounds is more than baffling. The lulls in the bout seemed plentiful and it seems like the action should have been restarted multiple times but rarely was. When it was all said and done, the unanimous decision went to Sean Sherk, thus crowning him the new UFC Lightweight Champion.

Rich Franklin's fight was unfortunately too short. He was trying to throw uppercuts while he was in the Muey Thai clench but he couldn't stop those knees.

I think Rich grossly underestimated the power of Anderson Silva. He should have been far more cautious about getting hit like that. Where was his defense? He should have shot on a leg and taken him down. Instead, his ego told him he could stand in there and trade with him. He certainly will learn a lesson from this. I suppose we will have to wait till the winner of TUF gets his ass whipped by Silva, before we get to see the rematch (which Franklin certainly deserves).

Or - how about a Franklin - Leben fight?

locallounge

10-15-2006, 03:42 PM

Or - how about a Franklin - Leben fight?

Dude, thats disrespectful to Franklin. Leben is nowhere close to being in league with Rich.
That would be like putting Rich against Nate Quarry....oh wait...:action-sm

locallounge

10-15-2006, 03:43 PM

Bring Back Lindland!!!

Cromwell

10-15-2006, 06:20 PM

Dude, thats disrespectful to Franklin. Leben is nowhere close to being in league with Rich.
That would be like putting Rich against Nate Quarry....oh wait...:action-sm

Hey - I'm just trying to find "work" for the former champ :rolleyes:

Lets put it this way - both Franklin and Leben lost to Silva in a similar way. Of course Rich deserves a rematch. Barring that - lets see what Franklin-Leben would look like.

Bring Back Lindland!!!

Isn't he a light-heavyweight?

I heard he beat Jeremy Horn recently (in a different, up-and-coming MMA league).

locallounge

10-15-2006, 07:15 PM

Isn't he a light-heavyweight?

I heard he beat Jeremy Horn recently (in a different, up-and-coming MMA league).

Actually, Lindland is a top ranked MW, and was previously promised a shot at the UFC title...but then was fired by UFC, supposedly because he wore a shirt with a betting site on it during a post fight interview.
I've heard some claim that Lindland was fired in order to keep the belt Franklin for a while. Lindland would beat Franklin, and probably Silva too, IMO...but alot of fans consider Lindland to be a boring fighter.
Some fighters do move up and down in weight, including Horn. Horn actually has many fights at LHW and MW...but is probably better off at MW, IMO
On a side note, Horn retired after the Lindland IFL fight...for a year, at least, in order to train other fighters, etc.
As far as Leben vs Franklin, that probably would have been a better fight for Rich's first fight back, just so he could get back in the groove after such a prolonged down-time...but it would have been a hard sell, considering how Silva man-handled Leben recently.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 07:52 PM

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 07:54 PM

Oh yeah, and if Hughes manages to hold of GSP next month throw him into the MW mix as well.

Personally dont think he can beat GSP again, but thats just my opinion.:action-sm:action-sm

Cromwell

10-15-2006, 08:15 PM

Oh yeah, and if Hughes manages to hold of GSP next month throw him into the MW mix as well.

Personally dont think he can beat GSP again, but thats just my opinion.:action-sm:action-sm

I know this is your opinion - but I have to take notice of your words

You don't think Hughes can beat GSP?

You mean you don't think he will - this time

Can he beat GSP? Well, let me see - oh, yeah - he already has!

Do you think Hughes is going to gas the way Penn did? GSP better be ready to go 5 gruelling rounds. You think GSP is going to submit Hughes? I doubt it.

Penn couldn't do it (this time) and I don't think Matt is tapping against GSP.

My money is on Hughes.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 08:38 PM

locallounge

10-15-2006, 09:33 PM

Swick, Marquadt, Loiseau, Franklin, Leben and a few other are all legit contenders now and we should see some good fights in the next year or so because of it. Rich will get a rematch, but he will have to beat one or two of those guys first.

I read somewhere that Silva's contract dictated that he got a fight, then a title fight, then if he won an immediate re-match. That could be rumour though.
Although, if true...I think there is some sort of suspension by the NSAC for fighters who get knocked out in a fight. That means Rich will not be fighting anytime in the near future.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 09:47 PM

I believe the suspension for a KO is 90 days, however Im not 100%.

locallounge

10-15-2006, 10:00 PM

I believe the suspension for a KO is 90 days, however Im not 100%.

Which is shitty, cuz Franklin has been away for so long...now its prolly 3 more months. But better that, than risk permanent damage on his part.
Anyways, at this point, UFC has nobody that can touch Silva. Just thinking about one of the TUF Middleweights fighting Silva makes me wanna puke. Nothing against those guys, but they would be slaughtered by A. Silva, one after another.

Edit- Now that I think about it, Franklin could be gone for even longer than the 90 days. His nose was broken into pieces. Remember what he did to Quarry when they fought? Nate has been on the back of a milk carton, since then. Damn, I hope Franklin doesn't go out like that. He is too talented.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 10:39 PM

Which is shitty, cuz Franklin has been away for so long...now its prolly 3 more months. But better that, than risk permanent damage on his part.
Anyways, at this point, UFC has nobody that can touch Silva. Just thinking about one of the TUF Middleweights fighting Silva makes me wanna puke. Nothing against those guys, but they would be slaughtered by A. Silva, one after another.

Edit- Now that I think about it, Franklin could be gone for even longer than the 90 days. His nose was broken into pieces. Remember what he did to Quarry when they fought? Nate has been on the back of a milk carton, since then. Damn, I hope Franklin doesn't go out like that. He is too talented.

Its not Nate's nose keeping him away, he had spinal fusion surgery and it is not known whether he will be able to fight ever again.

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 10:41 PM

Anyways, at this point, UFC has nobody that can touch Silva.

I realize that I'm starting to sound like a serious nuthugger here, but I think Silva and a 185lb St.Pierre would be a great fight.

locallounge

10-15-2006, 10:56 PM

I realize that I'm starting to sound like a serious nuthugger here, but I think Silva and a 185lb St.Pierre would be a great fight.

St. Pierre is an amazing fighter. But there is no reason for him to jump the gun into a heavier divison, at this point.
I like the guy alot, he has great potential...but being schooled by a guy like Anderson could totally fuck up his confidence, especially this early in his career.
Maybe sometime on down the line...after he has conquered all WWs.:)

av8rOC

10-15-2006, 11:10 PM

locallounge

10-16-2006, 12:17 AM

I dont want to take anything away from Silva right now, the day after he earns MW championship but lets not get too carried away.

we have seen a grand total of about 3 min from him in the Octogan. Neither oponent tried to take him down but rather tried to stand and trade. I know he is a BJJ black belt but that doesnt mean Rich or someone else couldnt win by going to the ground.

at that every fighter loses at some point. (except for Fedor:)) A true champ responds by getting better, ala matt hughes. Maybe Rich had a bad night, maybe not. We will have to wait and see.

Screw his 3 minutes in the octogon. The guy has fought tougher opposition outside of the UFC, than he probably ever will inside...unless they bring Lindland back.
By the way, if you missed it, check this out. Its fucking awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpUkneMSWE

And yea, Rich certainly had a bad night. But I am not so sure he wouldn't have another one if the two faced off again. A. Silva is competent on the ground. He has trained with the Nogueira brothers, and the Chute Boxe team.
Franklin is a great fighter, though. UFC just should have fed him a can like Leben or somebody to brush off the ring rust.

Palerider4146

10-16-2006, 11:08 AM

Geeez.....yes I think GSP WILL beat Hughes.

The first fight was 2 years ago and was Georges' second fight in the UFC, he was 23 years old. It was his only loss. He made a mistake and left an arm out which Matt capitalized on and tapped St.Pierre with 1 sec left in the first round. A round, mind you that Georges would have won had he ben able to hold on.
Matt's recent fight with Penn proves that he still has holes in his game and his standup, striking, and takedowns are NOT the best. Compare the Penn fights: Matt was only able to take BJ down after Penn seperated his rib in the third round. GSP took Penn down at will in the 2nd and 3rd.
Matt's strengh lies in his cardio, wrestling ability, power and GnP. IMO GSP matches him in cardio and wrestling ability. Georges' standup, striking, ju-jitsu, takedowns, and takedown defense are superior to Matt's.
It will be a great fight, but dont be surprised to see another new belt holder in the UFC.

I'll say this. I like watching both GSP and Matt fight. Although I agree GSP has great cardio, Matt's is at an insane level. But I believe what is more of an important thing is the mental game here. Now I know it's hard to tell because TUF is edited to make it look more entertaining, but it sure looked like Matt is in GSP's head real bad. It really bothered him to see him come into the gym and even at dinner. I know Matt can be an ass sometimes, but GSP shouldnt show how much it bothered him though.

Cromwell

10-16-2006, 12:47 PM

I'll say this. I like watching both GSP and Matt fight. Although I agree GSP has great cardio, Matt's is at an insane level.

There's just no substitute for tossing hay bales into the back of trucks :icon_mrgr

But I believe what is more of an important thing is the mental game here.

It certainly is a factor. Hughes' confidence appears to be at an all time high at the moment.

Now I know it's hard to tell because TUF is edited to make it look more entertaining

Absolutely.

but it sure looked like Matt is in GSP's head real bad. It really bothered him to see him come into the gym and even at dinner. I know Matt can be an ass sometimes, but GSP shouldnt show how much it bothered him though.

Hmmmm - seems I read that somewhere in this thread recently. :rolleyes:

Listen - GSP will bring his best on the night of the match. I don't think there will be any lack of confidence there.

However, Hughes is going to be ready for him. ON that you can most certainly count. Don't let that farmboy personna fool you. He's is doing his homework and studying every piece of digital film on GSP there is.

I don't blame Georges for not wanting to show himself to Hughes before the match. I think the only way GSP can win is by the element of surprise. He has to catch Hughes in something he's not expecting.

If both fighters bring what they've shown already - IMHO - Hughes will win.

In 5 bloody ground n' pound rounds.

And that's the way it ought to be! :icon_cool

urine sampler

10-16-2006, 05:15 PM

[QUOTE=Cromwell]I'll have to see for myself (eventually)

Though I don't think Sherk dosen't deserve to be champion (clearly there are always a handful of elite fighters in every weight class that could be champion) - I am a bit concerned about the referee's decision making process, after reading this:

Basically the remainder of the final 3 rounds went almost exactly the same with Sherk taking Florian down but never really establishing any dominant ground and pound but also keeping full control of the action. When the fight was stood up, Florian did land some nice kicks to Sherk’s midsection but inevitably the fight always ended up back on the ground. While Sherk’s dominance in the fight can’t be overlooked, the referee’s decision to only stand the fighters up a handful of times over the course of 5 rounds is more than baffling. The lulls in the bout seemed plentiful and it seems like the action should have been restarted multiple times but rarely was. When it was all said and done, the unanimous decision went to Sean Sherk, thus crowning him the new UFC Lightweight Champion.

I think Rich grossly underestimated the power of Anderson Silva. He should have been far more cautious about getting hit like that. Where was his defense? He should have shot on a leg and taken him down. Instead, his ego told him he could stand in there and trade with him. He certainly will learn a lesson from this. I suppose we will have to wait till the winner of TUF gets his ass whipped by Silva, before we get to see the rematch (which Franklin certainly deserves).

Or - how about a Franklin - Leben fight?[/QUOTE

hey crom is that you at cbs with liddell if your in the area alot ill hook you up with a copy im in the area all the time.
In my opinion sherk dominated florian but i didnt think ether one deserved to be there.Anyway It really dont matter now theres so much talent in that division that I dont think he will hold it for long.As for Rich ill agree that he underestamated Silva but I dont think it had anything to do with his ego. In the post interview Rich said he felt safe in the clinch that that was his bread an butter.but the only thing that resembled bread an butter was the way he ate those knees:haha7: Im only fuckin around im a big franklin fan I think he needs to sit back let Silva fight Swick an maybe the tuf winner an study his drawing board.Theres no reason good champ dont diserve a rematch right a way if he wants one.

Palerider4146

10-16-2006, 06:58 PM

Hey Urine sampler, you dont happen to have a side job bootlegging MMA fights do you. The only reason I ask is because I no longer see the guy I used to pay $5 on the Monday after a PPV for a copy. I'd be willing to pony up a little cash for a copy for certain ones that I dont buy.

Cybouncer

10-16-2006, 08:25 PM

I just was able to see the Franklin/Silva fight.

Franklin would should have dropped to one knee to start out and fought that way.:icon_roll :icon_lol:

Silva is a beast with his Muay Tai clinch. Franklin looked unprepared to fight him. He looked like he had no gameplan and no defense.

I'm not a big Rich Franklin fan. I think his head has gotten a little too big and it's good that he was knocked down a peg. :action-sm

Palerider4146

10-16-2006, 10:33 PM

I just was able to see the Franklin/Silva fight.

Franklin would should have dropped to one knee to start out and fought that way.:icon_roll :icon_lol:

You know after the way he lost that fight, Matt Serra was laughing somewhere. I'm really curious how Franklin takes this. It's only his second loss, 1st in the UFC.

Papagolash

10-17-2006, 01:00 AM

some gifs I got from another board.

http://www.lmlyp.com/pics/albums/userpics/ken1.gif

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/DanPirozzi/Silva-knee_Franklin-nose.gif

Palerider4146

10-17-2006, 11:50 AM

Holy crap, Ace is going to have to blow his nose through his ear. What a god damn knee that was.

AnimalMthr1982

10-17-2006, 12:31 PM

Sherk/Florian 5th round:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nTqIuei1_ns

Cromwell

10-17-2006, 02:46 PM

hey crom is that you at cbs with liddell

Yes. That’s me.

if your in the area alot ill hook you up with a copy im in the area all the time.

How does tomorrow sound?

In my opinion sherk dominated florian but i didnt think ether one deserved to be there.Anyway It really dont matter now theres so much talent in that division that I dont think he will hold it for long.

Who’s going to take it? Pulver? He failed miserably in his “comeback”. I guess the guy who knocked him out deserves a shot.

As for Rich ill agree that he underestamated Silva but I dont think it had anything to do with his ego. In the post interview Rich said he felt safe in the clinch that that was his bread an butter.but the only thing that resembled bread an butter was the way he ate those knees:haha7: Im only fuckin around im a big franklin fan I think he needs to sit back let Silva fight Swick an maybe the tuf winner an study his drawing board.Theres no reason good champ dont diserve a rematch right a way if he wants one.

Agreed.

Franklin has got to do his homework – then comeback with a more defense oriented gameplan. He can’t be eating “knee sandwiches” and think he’s going to last.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybouncer
I just was able to see the Franklin/Silva fight.

Franklin would should have dropped to one knee to start out and fought that way.

You know after the way he lost that fight, Matt Serra was laughing somewhere.

Matt better just worry about his next opponent (which is Shonie on Thursday) Yeah, I know the fight is already over - but we haven't seen it yet and nobody knows how it turned out.

Then, if he can win the TUF4 championship - he's going to have the fight of his life againts Hughes (or GSP - there, I said it).

Poor Diego has to sit on the sidelines, while all this goes on.

I'm really curious how Franklin takes this. It's only his second loss, 1st in the UFC.

I believe he will comeback the way Hughes did after his loss to Penn.

some gifs I got from another board.

http://www.lmlyp.com/pics/albums/userpics/ken1.gif

Geez! Florian ran right into that "turnbuckle" :icon_mrgr

Palerider4146

10-17-2006, 02:57 PM

If Ace comes back the way Matt did after BJ, the MWs in the UFC better watch out. So heres the question. If matt beats GSP, does he go right after Silva, or does he let his buddy Ace get the rematch first. I personally hate the whole "I wont fight my buddy thing" that sometimes goes on. Ace vs. Matt would be a huge fight. Think about Josh Neer vs Matt, or Fisher. But these guys wont fight each other.

locallounge

10-17-2006, 06:26 PM

some gifs I got from another board.
http://www.lmlyp.com/pics/albums/userpics/ken1.gif

Kenny Florian, doing his best Curly from 3 Stooges impression.

some gifs I got from another board.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/DanPirozzi/Silva-knee_Franklin-nose.gif

At the end, when Franklin is being interviewed, he looks like Fire Marshall Bill, from In Living Color.

urine sampler

10-17-2006, 06:43 PM

[QUOTE=Palerider4146]Hey Urine sampler, you dont happen to have a side job bootlegging MMA fights do you. The only reason I ask is because I no longer see the guy I used to pay $5 on the Monday after a PPV for a copy. I'd be willing to pony up a little cash for a copy for certain ones that I dont buy.[/QUOTE

Hey Palerider I really wasent looking to make a side biz out of it but hell why not as long as you make it easy for me to hook up with you it wouldnt take much to make an extra copy I dvr evrything

mendozathejew

10-17-2006, 08:30 PM

mendozathejew

10-17-2006, 08:31 PM

heres mma weekly's new MMA rankings

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Mirko Cro Cop

3. Josh Barnett

4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

5. Tim Sylvia

6. Andrei Arlovski

7. Aleksander Emelianenko

8. Fabricio Werdum

9. Mark Hunt

10. Sergei Kharitonov

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LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)

#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Chuck Liddell

2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

3. Wanderlei Silva

4. Ricardo Arona

5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

6. Renato "Babalu" Sobral

7. Tito Ortiz

8. Quinton Jackson

9. Alistair Overeem

10. Kazuhiro Nakamura

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MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Matt Lindland

2. Anderson Silva

3. Rich Franklin

4. Paulo Filho

5. Dan Henderson

6. Denis Kang

7. Jeremy Horn

8. Kazuo Misaki

9. Nathan Marquardt

10. Amar Suloev

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WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Matt Hughes

2. Georges St. Pierre

3. BJ Penn

4. Diego Sanchez

5. Karo Parisyan

6. Jake Shields

7. Jon Fitch

8. Akira Kikuchi

9. Nick Diaz

10. Joe Riggs

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LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION (160 pounds and lower)

#1 Lightweight Fighter in the World: Takanori Gomi

2. Hayato Sakurai

3. Tatsuya Kawajiri

4. Joachim Hansen

5. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto

6. Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro

7. Marcus Aurelio

8. Mitsuhiro Ishida

9. Sean Sherk

10. Gilbert Melendez

AnimalMthr1982

10-17-2006, 11:15 PM

it will be interesting to see if dana white builds around anderson silva. hes an exciting knockout artist, but at the same time he speaks zero english and cant be marketed the way franklin is.

alot of people are predicting that dana white will go out and get the top 185 fighters in the world who are fighting in other orgs, like matt lindland.

matt lindland would actually be the favorite against silva.
I assume like most casual MMA fans, I am most familiar with the UFC. My friends who are more avid fans, and two who practice MMA say pride has the best fighters. Granted Japan is a huge market, I would guess that Dana White could afford to get those top 185, is this wrong?

BTW, I can see Nick Diaz climbing that ranking ladder in the near future.

mendozathejew

10-17-2006, 11:49 PM

Pride pays much much more money, so they have much deeper pools of talent. the ufc has some great fighters just like pride has great fighters, but pride has more very good fighters. they sell out 50, 70 thousand seat arenas, so they tend to get the better brazilian and russian fighters

lindland was in UFC, was supposed to get a title shot, and he was fired. as for the other guys in like Henderson (both americans) I doubt pride is going to let them go.

av8rOC

10-18-2006, 01:29 AM

No Swick or Loiseau in the top 10 and Henderson is down to #5, wow.

mendozathejew

10-18-2006, 03:20 AM

I would guess that Dana White could afford to get those top 185,
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more from mma weekly just posted. ufc 63 and 64 salaries

-Anderson Silva: $50,000 (defeated Rich Franklin)

-Sean Sherk: $22,000 (defeated Kenny Florian)

-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)

-Kenny Florian: $8,000 (lost to Sean Sherk)

-Matt Hughes: $130,000 (defeated BJ Penn)

-BJ Penn: $50,000 (lost to Matt Hughes)

dana white is worse than don king. that is fucking pathetic. 50 grand to the title match, where 1of his most profitable champs defends his belts. dana white should be shot. no wonder pride has more talent

Cybouncer

10-18-2006, 10:38 AM

more from mma weekly just posted. ufc 63 and 64 salaries

-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)

$21K is an insult...

Palerider4146

10-18-2006, 11:15 AM

so looking at those rankings were very interesting (even though it's pure opinions on the websites part). Obviously Pride owns the HW and LW classes. UFC completely owns the WWs, which is probably my favorite to watch. The tops MWs were UFC guys, but then their is a big drop off after that. Agains the same with thw LHWs, kind of even up, but big spots going to Chuck, Tito, Babalu.

By the way, how is Horn still ranked at #5 by them. He's been getting his ass kicked lately in some of the big shows.

Cromwell

10-18-2006, 12:10 PM

heres mma weekly's new MMA rankings

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Mirko Cro Cop

3. Josh Barnett

4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

5. Tim Sylvia

6. Andrei Arlovski

7. Aleksander Emelianenko

8. Fabricio Werdum

9. Mark Hunt

10. Sergei Kharitonov

Where is this Monsoon dude, that Sylvia is fighting for the UFC belt? He's not even in the top ten in the world?

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LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)

#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Chuck Liddell

2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

3. Wanderlei Silva

4. Ricardo Arona

5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

6. Renato "Babalu" Sobral

7. Tito Ortiz

Has Tito and Babalu ever fought? And, if not - who do you think would win?

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MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Matt Lindland

2. Anderson Silva

3. Rich Franklin

4. Paulo Filho

5. Dan Henderson

6. Denis Kang

7. Jeremy Horn

8. Kazuo Misaki

9. Nathan Marquardt

10. Amar Suloev

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WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Matt Hughes

2. Georges St. Pierre

3. BJ Penn

4. Diego Sanchez

5. Karo Parisyan

6. Jake Shields

7. Jon Fitch

8. Akira Kikuchi

9. Nick Diaz

10. Joe Riggs

Interesting.

so looking at those rankings were very interesting (even though it's pure opinions on the websites part). Obviously Pride owns the HW and LW classes. UFC completely owns the WWs, which is probably my favorite to watch.

Mine too. Without a doubt.

The tops MWs were UFC guys, but then their is a big drop off after that. Agains the same with thw LHWs, kind of even up, but big spots going to Chuck, Tito, Babalu.

By the way, how is Horn still ranked at #5 by them. He's been getting his ass kicked lately in some of the big shows.

Well - he just lost to Lindland - who you can see is ranked No. 1 in the world.

Linland is Team Quest - right?