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mendozathejew

10-19-2006, 07:16 PM

best mma fighter in the world fights this weekend FEDOR Emelianenko. its Prides first US show on paperview.

av8rOC

10-19-2006, 10:53 PM

Sylvia isnt going to knock anyone out. He will do what he does and use his mongaloid size to stay away from a fight. Boring fighter, hence no PPV main events.

av8rOC

10-19-2006, 10:55 PM

mendozathejew

10-19-2006, 11:33 PM

Glad to finally have Pride on US soil but I have to say I am disapointed in the card. Great fighters, but circus fights. (sorry Coleman)
the other thing is there will be no soccer kicks, stomps, or knees to the head because of NSAC rules. No elbows either sticking with Prides normal policy.
Butterbean? cmon
check out butterbeans record, hes got submission wins lol its actually true. hes not bad

yeah the pride paperview isnt their typical high quality. I guess they decided to make this an intriduction for US fans to see Fedor and Shogun

av8rOC

10-19-2006, 11:38 PM

Im sure butterbean could submit me or some other can, but that doesnt make him a compelling MMA fighter. The entire linup can be pretty much called before the show even starts. Pride has too much talent to put on a show like that.

locallounge

10-20-2006, 12:44 AM

Graciefighter.com

Inside sources have informed us that the UFC has contacted Matt Lindland to face their new Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva. Lindland's takedown skills and ability to take out top strikers have the UFC intereseted in a matchup between him and the Brazilian standup ace. After defeating Jeremy Horn and barely losing a razor thin decision to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Matt has become the hot commodity at 185lbs. There are 2 factors impeding the scheduling of this match. Number 1 is that Matt still has a fight left in his WFA contract. The second issue is money. So far the UFC's offers have been considered less than generous compared to what the WFA and IFC have offered him. For Matt to fight in the UFC he will have to completely relinquish fighting in other organizations and he would like to be compensated accordingly.
There will be meetings between Matt and the UFC in the upcoming days to see if these issues can be resolved and if a Anderson Silva vs. Matt Lindland fight can become a reality.

av8rOC

10-20-2006, 11:27 AM

Cromwell

10-20-2006, 11:46 AM

I dont think monsun (Opie arms):haha7: is gonna be able to get that big 265lb retard down an is gonna get koed.Ill tell ya though before the last ppv I thought that big strait out of skull island gorrilla Khec kongo had a shot untill he got dominated by a 220lb new commer with very good wrestling I might add that dudes future looks pretty bright:cool7: I think that guys best bet is to cut weight to LHW an go that route.
Good points, sir.

By the way - it was nice meeting you at the Walkover yesterday. And thank you for the UFC 64 recording.

In case you haven't seen it in the Walkover topic, here's the pic of us:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/001fcromfrank.jpg

best mma fighter in the world fights this weekend FEDOR Emelianenko. its Prides first US show on paperview.

Hey urine, buddy - any chance you'll be recording this? :icon_mrgr

Graciefighter.com

Inside sources have informed us that the UFC has contacted Matt Lindland to face their new Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva. Lindland's takedown skills and ability to take out top strikers have the UFC intereseted in a matchup between him and the Brazilian standup ace.

This I truly want to see.

After defeating Jeremy Horn and barely losing a razor thin decision to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Matt has become the hot commodity at 185lbs. There are 2 factors impeding the scheduling of this match. Number 1 is that Matt still has a fight left in his WFA contract. The second issue is money. So far the UFC's offers have been considered less than generous compared to what the WFA and IFC have offered him. For Matt to fight in the UFC he will have to completely relinquish fighting in other organizations and he would like to be compensated accordingly.
There will be meetings between Matt and the UFC in the upcoming days to see if these issues can be resolved and if a Anderson Silva vs. Matt Lindland fight can become a reality.

Come on Dana - pay up! :icon_cool

Palerider4146

10-21-2006, 12:49 PM

You two are adorable!!!

Po'sUke

10-22-2006, 03:32 AM

Although the Pride card didn't have the greatest match-ups,there was some nice skills shown.

Shogun putting on a lower body sub clinic on a clueless Randleman, Nice Flying knee from Lawler, Hendo whooping up on Belfort, and Fedor completely shutting down Coleman before hitting him with exactly the same armbar he got him with 3 years ago.(other arm this time tho)

Pride puts on a great show and has some amazing talent.MMA in america just got a little more interesting.

My Name Is Earl

10-22-2006, 04:42 AM

Just got back from the show, I got a free ticket and asked the security guard how much my seat would've been if I had to buy it, he said $300 where I was sitting and the floor seats were going for $600. The arena seemed pretty full, i'd say about 90%, Damn good for Prides 1st appearance in the US. As far as the fights, no big upsets or epic battles but some good finishes and some intersting moments: Lawler's KO was one of the best of the year, def. one for the HL reel... Belforts performance was disappointing... seeing Baroni use some submission skills... Wandy calling out Chuck... got to see Shogun in action and almost rip Randlemans knee off... Fedor being Fedor... was a good night, even better being free for me, just bought beer and didnt even have to pay for parking as I live a few blocks away, can't beat it

Po'sUke

10-22-2006, 05:50 AM

Grats on getting to see the show live.What was the estimated attendance?

It looked like a pretty cool presentation from the ppv.Did you buy me a Fedor shirt?

BouquetOSeaweed

10-22-2006, 10:27 AM

Only attendance number I've seen so far is 11,727, but maybe this doesn't include all the free tickets.

av8rOC

10-22-2006, 10:30 AM

The show was what I expected. Nice to see Pride on US soil, but none of the fights were compelling. I wish them luck over here but next time they better have a card with some competitive matchups.
I did enjoy watching Silva call out Chuck though.

Cybouncer

10-22-2006, 11:42 AM

I did enjoy watching Silva call out Chuck though.

Why didn't the fight happen again?

I am not a big Silva fan. Not trying to start up the UFC/Pride argument again but I think Chuck is the better fighter and would love to see him kick Silva's ass.

I was watching an episode of "Ultimate Knockouts" and I really miss the old UFC. Back when there weren't so many rules and it was a tournament style fight. A lot more exciting.

urine sampler

10-22-2006, 02:22 PM

heres the link for the Fedor/Coleman Fight.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4924519220951451006&hl=en

av8rOC

10-22-2006, 02:29 PM

Why didn't the fight happen again?

Pride says UFC, UFC says Pride. I tend to believe Pride though, because they have much more to gain from the fight. All they care about is exposure in the US at this point. Also Dana has been giving different excuses such as how Silva was just "executed" by Cro-Cop. No response when asked why not Chuck vs. Mirko then. :rolleyes:

My Name Is Earl

10-22-2006, 05:36 PM

Grats on getting to see the show live.What was the estimated attendance?

It looked like a pretty cool presentation from the ppv.Did you buy me a Fedor shirt?

I couldn't even buy myself one, I was pissed. I got there an hour early, stood in the merchandise line for about 15 minutes just to find out they were sold out of almost everything. All they had left were some beanies, a Barnett t-shirt, and only a couple Pride shirts but only in small or medium.

Cybouncer

10-23-2006, 03:21 PM

Dana has been giving different excuses such as how Silva was just "executed" by Cro-Cop. No response when asked why not Chuck vs. Mirko then. :rolleyes:

Like I said, I'm not a Silva fan and he did get obliterated by Cro-Cop, but to your point, if they want to have a cross over fight, it should be a Mirko/Chuck fight

When you talk about fighters of this caliber, the fight could go either way. Cro-Cop has the edge but he has been dropped in the recent past with strikes (i.e. Randleman). I don't think Liddell has faced a fighter of Mirko's caliber yet though...

av8rOC

10-23-2006, 04:07 PM

I think Cro-Cop would have no trouble with Chuck these days, but could he make 205? I dont think so. I think the best matchup is Chuck v. Wanderlei.

mendozathejew

10-23-2006, 08:54 PM

I dont think dana will go for any matchup other than wanderlei vs liddell.

arona is a horrible matchup for chuck, hes a bad matchup for anyone really. shogun is very risky, I think we still dont know how good or great shogun is.. cro cop is a better striker while 25 to 20 pounds heavier.

wanderlei is the matchup that is most appealing, most competitive, and probably chucks best odds vs a Pride fighter at this time.

mendozathejew

10-24-2006, 05:56 AM

more from mma weekly just posted. ufc 63 and 64 salaries

-Anderson Silva: $50,000 (defeated Rich Franklin)

-Sean Sherk: $22,000 (defeated Kenny Florian)

-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)

-Kenny Florian: $8,000 (lost to Sean Sherk)

-Matt Hughes: $130,000 (defeated BJ Penn)

-BJ Penn: $50,000 (lost to Matt Hughes)

dana white is worse than don king. that is fucking pathetic.

a little perspective. prides first US MMA show, which was an overall downgrade from their usual overall production and competitve standard (non title fights), these were the salaries they paid according to mma weekly again.

Main Event Fighters

-Fedor Emelianenko: $100,000 (defeated Mark Coleman)

-Mark Coleman: $70,000 (lost to Fedor Emelianenko)

-Josh Barnett: $60,000 (defeated Pawel Nastula)

-Dan Henderson: $50,000 (defeated Vitor Belfort)

-Kevin Randleman: $40,000 (lost to Mauricio "Shogun" Rua)

-Vitor Belfort: $30,000 (lost to Dan Henderson)

Palerider4146

10-24-2006, 10:41 AM

Cromwell

10-24-2006, 10:50 AM

I was watching an episode of "Ultimate Knockouts" and I really miss the old UFC. Back when there weren't so many rules and it was a tournament style fight. A lot more exciting.

Yeah, I watched 2 of the 4 hours I recorded of what they ran on Saturday night.

It was cool to see that fat cheap-shot guy Tank Abbott get his ass kicked by a guy who was actually *in shape*.

I like the way the MMA has evolved. It favors *athletes* with skill over fat, out of shape (but strong) guys.

av8rOC

10-24-2006, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I watched 2 of the 4 hours I recorded of what they ran on Saturday night.

It was cool to see that fat cheap-shot guy Tank Abbott get his ass kicked by a guy who was actually *in shape*.

I like the way the MMA has evolved. It favors *athletes* with skill over fat, out of shape (but strong) guys.

The guy who was "in shape", Frank Mir, is now fat and out of shape and still fighting in the UFC. He's fighting Brandon Vera at 65...http://blog.drjenterprises.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mir_vs_vera.jpg

mendozathejew

10-24-2006, 08:28 PM

Although I'm much more of a fan of the UFC than Pride (just what I'm used to, plus I'm very suspicious of rampant steroid abuse in Japan) Dana really needs to get on the ball with the salaries. If he ups the money, he will be able to attract a lot of these guys back to the octagon.

yeah its a valid point. but in all honesty we know if athletes want to use steroids they wil use, and they will consult with people who are excellent at hiding it- regardless of that country and what sport they are in.

and as for pride, the top fighters are not anything close to typical steroid bodies- fedor, shogun, henderson, gomi. they dont have a six pack between the 4 of them.

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though

av8rOC

10-24-2006, 08:43 PM

yeah its a valid point. but in all honesty we know if athletes want to use steroids they wil use, and they will consult with people who are excellent at hiding it- regardless of that country and what sport they are in.

and as for pride, the top fighters are not anything close to typical steroid bodies- fedor, shogun, henderson, gomi. they dont have a six pack between the 4 of them.

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though

dont think that a guy without a ripped body isnt on steroids, look at stephen bonnar.

Cybouncer

10-24-2006, 10:17 PM

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though

Baroni used to work out at Dolphin in Amityville, NY. Juicehead is not the word for him.

The fight that he won at Mohegan Sun a few years back, was when he was at his Juiced out peak.

mendozathejew

10-25-2006, 12:31 AM

dont think that a guy without a ripped body isnt on steroids, look at stephen bonnar.
people like that generally take them for injury recovery, which all athletes do, often prescribed by a doctor.

I think when people refer to pride having a steroid problem, they are talking about guys who habitually use steroids regularly, because its believed that would be ok.

urine sampler

10-25-2006, 12:32 PM

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.

MikeyP

10-25-2006, 12:57 PM

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.

I'm not saying that Pride is BETTER, but here's what makes it great in contrast to the UFC IMO. These points will also illustrate what I'm starting to not like about the UFC, btw.

1. The rules in Pride (Japan at least) make for a MUCH more interesting and fast paced fight. With the exception of their lack of elbows, there's no denying this. (knees to the head, soccer kicks, 10 minute 1st round, yellow cards docking 10% of pay).

2. The DEPTH of talent in just about all of their divisions, especially but not limited to the Heavyweight division.

3. They are MUCH better at retaining talent. Really good/fun/intersting fighters don't stick around for one reason or another on a VERY regular basis. Because Pride keeps around fighters that may have lost fights, you gain a vested interest in the fighter and care about their progress. In a way this makes it more like a mainstream sport. Lose a fight or two in the UFC and most fighters are just gone. Why do you think that at the end of fights in which they have lost fighters are starting to say "I just hope that the UFC gives me another chance"?

4. Regarding 2 and 3, the UFC has so many newcomers and relative no-names on their main cards that it's becoming very hard for me to swallow the idea of purchasing a PPV. Sure, some of these fighters are good in their own right and many of the fights do end up being exciting, but for the most part I want to see fighters that have already been developed somewhat. They are putting GOOD and ESTABLISHED fighters in the prelims (aka "dark matches").

5. While I'm sure that Pride does this as well, they're putting the fighters that they ARE developing up against "unkown" fighters that they are expected to be able to beat. This is kind of remniscent to me of "jobbers" in the WWF. From what I've been able to see, Pride does this a lot less. While they still might make a matchup where one fighter is highly expected to win (such as most of the Real Deal matchups), they're fighting against developed, known fighters and generally put on a more exciting show of it.

6. Dana White is the Vince McMahon of the MMA world (and I'm starting to think that Zuffa is just evil). He's been caught lying about a great many things (references not available, but check any of the MMA news sites). He exploits the fighters and underpays them by quite a lot.
Do you know what the total fighter payout was for 8 matches at UFC 64? $209,000.
Live gate receipts (gross ticket sales) for UFC 64? $2,314,000.
PPV buy rate for UFC 64? Not sure yet, but lately the UFC has been in the over 500,000 rate. If this holds true the gross receipts for PPVs is $20,000,000.
Why were there "contract problems" between the UFC and fighters like Tito Ortiz, BJ Penn, and Jens Pulver?

7. That crazy announcer chick.

Now, I'm getting tired of typing this so I'm just gonna let it go here and maybe discuss a little more later. Of course your mileage may vary, but I strongly think this is what makes Pride better in some aspects. Of course, this is not to say that the UFC does not have its strong points either.

cheers

Palerider4146

10-25-2006, 03:30 PM

Although I'm a UFC fan, there is no way you can say that Pride is full of guys who can not make it in the UFC. Pride is a weird mix, but they have a lot of guys who would kick the shit out of the UFC, especially Heavyweight super heavy which the UFC doesnt have. Granted, the UFC has the best of what I think is the best weight class, Welterweights, and they have just started up their lws again.

mendozathejew

10-25-2006, 06:44 PM

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.
your way, way off. mma has evolved, individual fighters have evolved. gomi and wanderlei arent near what they were 6 years ago. while ufc has liddell the #1 ranked, pride has shogun, lil nog, arona and wanderlei. its a deeper division. liddell might very well be able to beat wandeerlei, but could he win a GP and go through 2 or 3 of them? we already know how that story goes. its a deeper organization

and fedor and crop cop are leaps and bounds above everyone else in MMA

av8rOC

10-25-2006, 08:25 PM

Palerider4146

10-25-2006, 10:32 PM

hard to add to what they said. you really need to watch a few events to appreciate it.
I dont consider one better than the other and I hate all the internet bickering about what org is better blah blah blah. I consider Prides heavyweights to be lightyears better and the LHW's much deeper. The LW's are a toss up and UFC has a much better WW (pride doesnt have WW) and MW division.
Rules are different, production is different, both do a great job IMO and I look forward to every event on either side.

Jesus man, you sound like a politician over here. Come on get a set and pick sides.

Did you know av8rOC has often voted on programs to investigtate masturbation trends in the MMA community. Is he really the man you want representing you in wackbag???

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mendozathejew

10-25-2006, 11:11 PM

check out frank shamrocks myspace videos, specifically this one, its fantastic
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=51030656&blogID=184510270&MyToken=e2226649-04b0-49c5-845f-6f071695aa99

I dont think he is challenging liddell hes just making an offer where he'll fight for free in ufc, or liddell fights on danas dolar in strikeforce

Standby

10-26-2006, 06:04 PM

The guy who was "in shape", Frank Mir, is now fat and out of shape and still fighting in the UFC. He's fighting Brandon Vera at 65...http://blog.drjenterprises.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mir_vs_vera.jpg

Vera came out of the Lloyd Irvin camp. I train in Muay Thai at one of their satellite centers, so I feel like I should be rooting for the guy. And one of the instructors just went out to CityBoxing to train with him.

I'd say that at an undefeated UFC record, fighting some solid fighters, and a shallow heavyweight division, Vera could be in line for a title shot with a seemingly predictable win over Mir.

I know we've moved past that mention to Pride but I figured since UFC 65 is coming up, that could be a discussion point.

Palerider4146

10-26-2006, 07:08 PM

Mir really fell apart after his accident. He looked so promising before that. His comeback loss was a bit of bad luck, he caught an unlikely sharp elbow. It sucks, because he had been a pretty exciting fighter. Great jui jitsu. He is still very young (26) and should be able to get back into shape again.

Palerider4146

10-26-2006, 07:16 PM

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

d0uche_n0zzle

10-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Last time I was at FH Riley's, no big screen TV. Just a couple of smaller ones over the bar area, which is quite small.

locallounge

10-26-2006, 08:19 PM

Mir..His comeback loss was a bit of bad luck, he caught an unlikely sharp elbow.

More like several sharp elbows, repeatedly. He got tooled that night. :action-sm

locallounge

10-26-2006, 08:24 PM

Mark Coleman/Pride post-fight makes news....
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October 24, 2006

A MOMENT CAPTURED

'Daddy's OK, it's all over'

By Sam Morris, Las Vegas Sun
Las Vegas Sun

Ignoring the post-fight question posed by the public address interviewer, Mark Coleman grabbed the microphone and yelled "I love you girls! I'll be back," while jabbing a massive hand toward his daughters in the audience.

Moments before, nearly 12,000 people watched as the Pride Fighting Championships heavyweight was beaten into submission by a Russian giant when he found himself trapped an excruciating hold called an armbar. Two of those 12,000 saw something entirely different: Their daddy got hurt.

To calm the tears and fears of his daughters, the bloodied Coleman embraced his daughters while caressing their hair and repeating over and over that "Daddy's OK. Daddy's OK," after they were lifted up to the ring and into his waiting arms.

When his repeated reassurance that "Daddy's OK, it's all over. It's all over. Daddy's OK. Let's go have some fun now," failed to completely calm the girls, Coleman took them to center ring and introduced them to Fedor Emelianenko, the man who turned his face into a bloody pulp.

After a minute or two of talk, Coleman playfully tagged the Russian champion with a light tap to the chin and then raised his arms in victory - maybe daddy is invulnerable after all.

As the near-sellout crowd continued to file out of the Thomas & Mack Center, it seemed as if only a handful of photographers paid attention to the scene until a ringside judge was seen surreptitiously rubbing his eyes and wiping his cheeks.

It is within the realm of possibility that he merely had a piece of dust in his eye.

SAM@LASVEGASSUN.COM

Palerider4146

10-26-2006, 09:02 PM

More like several sharp elbows, repeatedly. He got tooled that night. :action-sm

Yeah your right, but I still would not of counted him out from bottom had he not gotten cut. But that is the way MMA is.

Palerider4146

10-26-2006, 09:04 PM

Nice story about Coleman by the way. I still think he is a huge juice head, but that's a great human story.

Standby

10-26-2006, 11:10 PM

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

Sadly since I'm in Northern VA, that's a hell of a drive just to watch UFC. But it'd be nice to watch it with some other animals who are MMA fans _and_ XM 202 fans...

BouquetOSeaweed

10-27-2006, 12:30 AM

As if anyone had any doubts about banned substances in Pride, both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula tested postive for anabolic steroids.

mendozathejew

10-27-2006, 05:23 AM

As if anyone had any doubts about banned substances in Pride, both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula tested postive for anabolic steroids.
yeah but thats via the nevada state athletic commission. pride and its fighters claimed to be tested in japan, but Ive never seen any evidence of that. barnett tested positive in the UFC, has gone to pride and continued to be successful, now he has never looked in better shape, and he passed the US drug test last week, so who knows

if athletes want to take the shit theyll take it here or there.

Cromwell

10-27-2006, 12:09 PM

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

I go there semi-frequently.

The two tv screens over the bar are decent enough. They're the letterbox style, so they give you a somewhat better view than your standard tv screen.

I’d definitely be up for this.

I guess we would have to all chip in and split the cost of it. That would have to be worked out with Brett and the staff there.

Plus, it would be great if they could record it to a disc, or barring that, a tape. Then we could all have a duped copy of it.

Can we get this together for UFC65 on November 18th?

urine sampler

10-27-2006, 01:52 PM

Cromwell

10-27-2006, 04:06 PM

Sounds real good fellas but the only problem is its gonna cost more then the regular 40 bucks to get.From what I understand if your makeing money from there PPV they want a piece(a big piece) an thats not just UFC thats any PPV. otherwise if thats the only charge any old sports bar could broadcast all PPV events.
The only way would be for him to have a privet party there an charge per head.Wich I dought it would be benificial for him to close to the public on a saturday.
My sugestion would be someone gets it (il be happy to:icon_bigg ) tape it than all hook up there on a monday or something for a 4 hour, per head, privet party.
I know it would be hard to stay off the web and find out what happened but hell i would do it.It would be a blast.

I like your idea "urine" (eh, nice screename there - you a fan of Jimmy's?) :icon_mrgr

Only I'll go you one better - lets just skip FH Rileys altogether (this time) - because of the complications - why don't we all just watch it at your house?

Whadda ya say, buddy? I'm sure Pale, and the handful of others who can make their way out will be just as happy to watch it at your place. We'll split the cost of it evenly between whoever is there. Naturally, you can record it so we can all then get a dupe of it.

Works for me. :icon_cool

av8rOC

10-27-2006, 04:46 PM

Jesus man, you sound like a politician over here. Come on get a set and pick sides.

Did you know av8rOC has often voted on programs to investigtate masturbation trends in the MMA community. Is he really the man you want representing you in wackbag???

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Fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me I have to choose sides? Thats how I honestly feel about it. All you internet warriors who argue about Pride being better are bad for the sport of MMA and it reaching a mainstream audience.

av8rOC

10-27-2006, 04:50 PM

I have talked to Brett before about ordering the UFC events at Rileys. It cost him in the thousands of dollars to order because he has a business account, kind of a bummer cause it would be fun.

urine sampler

10-27-2006, 05:02 PM

I would love to have you guys over but my wife would have my balls if I told her a bunch of my Wackbag friends are comming over for a UFC party.Were probly better off waiting for the TUF 4 finale on 11\11 on spike an all get together there for that.

Boratfan

10-27-2006, 05:43 PM

Theirs a bar out in Massapequa out on long island(its on the south shore and in eastern nassau county for those who are not familar with the area) that is going to be showing the next UFC ppv. Its listed on the UFC website, that would be a cool place to meet and watch the event.. id like to meet all of you animals and have a good time.

Palerider4146

10-27-2006, 11:44 PM

Fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me I have to choose sides? Thats how I honestly feel about it. All you internet warriors who argue about Pride being better are bad for the sport of MMA and it reaching a mainstream audience.

Av8, I was just kidding man, no offense meant. I was just making fun of the negative campaign bit (albeit badly obviously). I'm a fan of everything MMA. (waving whiteflag).

Palerider4146

10-27-2006, 11:49 PM

Here's the link for all the sports bar locations, most charge a small cover charge. I have never gone to one, but I heard depending on the noise level, it can be a bit hard to watch at times, but I think it still could work (especially with a large screen). Personally I'm coming from the jersey shore, so Queens or Nassua wouldnt be to bad for me. I do have to check my calendar, for some reason, the next UFC date is ringing a bell, if not, I could use a little man time (no hom0). Check out the link.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.SportsBars&eid=220

Cybouncer

10-28-2006, 12:43 AM

av8rOC

10-28-2006, 10:00 AM

Av8, I was just kidding man, no offense meant. I was just making fun of the negative campaign bit (albeit badly obviously). I'm a fan of everything MMA. (waving whiteflag).

Well than that makes me doesn't get the bit guy. FUCK!

:action-sm:action-sm:action-sm

urine sampler

10-29-2006, 10:59 PM

McCanns Sounds good to me . Does this mean nobodys up for F H Reillys for TUF 4 finale?

Cromwell

10-30-2006, 01:16 PM

McCanns Sounds good to me . Does this mean nobodys up for F H Reillys for TUF 4 finale?

Either or sounds good to me.

Oh, and slap your wife with your hog and just tell her a bunch of us guys are coming over. :icon_mrgr

Listen - *I'll* order the PPV (if you maniacs chip in) and we can watch it at *my* house. :icon_cool

av8rOC

10-30-2006, 07:43 PM

I wont be back to Huntington until Christmas week. Otherwise I would be into watching it wherever. Im sure I will see some of you kooks down at Rileys that week:action-sm

Palerider4146

10-30-2006, 08:40 PM

I wont be back to Huntington until Christmas week. Otherwise I would be into watching it wherever. Im sure I will see some of you kooks down at Rileys that week:action-sm

Tito vs chuck is Dec 30th, will you be around then. If i'm not done in Atlanta at the inlaws, I'm up for it.

av8rOC

10-30-2006, 09:05 PM

Yeah, I will talk to Brett. Maybe we can order it on someones box and bring it down to the bar and set it up.

Cromwell

10-31-2006, 11:10 AM

Maybe we can order it on someones box and bring it down to the bar and set it up.

You can do that?

Speaking of FH Rileys - does anyone know what time they usually open each day? And what's their phone number?

Thanks.

av8rOC

10-31-2006, 11:19 AM

You can do that?

Speaking of FH Rileys - does anyone know what time they usually open each day? And what's their phone number?

Thanks.

If its a satellite box, yeah no problem. Just a matter of putting a temp dish in the upstairs window or on the roof..
Im pretty sure he opens around 10 am every day. Not positive though.

(631) 271-7600

Cromwell

10-31-2006, 11:35 AM

If its a satellite box, yeah no problem. Just a matter of putting a temp dish in the upstairs window or on the roof..

Hmmmm - sounds complicated.

I've got Cablevision.

Everybody just come to my house.

Im pretty sure he opens around 10 am every day. Not positive though.

(631) 271-7600

Thanks for the info.

av8rOC

11-03-2006, 11:54 AM

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it.

BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

armaniwearr

11-03-2006, 03:59 PM

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it.

BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

Agreed GSP all the way!!!!

Palerider4146

11-06-2006, 09:08 AM

So Spike played a bunch of the UFNs over the weekend, and I just got done watching them. A few observations from watching them again...

How the hell did they let that guy from new orleans Kristian Rothaermel from TUF 3 back in the UFC. He looked horribile and gassed against Bisping on TUF and was gassed halfway through the 1st round on the UFN fight.

Silva really is a crazy striker considering he KOd leben like he did. I'm not being a TUF nuthugger, but Leben has a crazy strong chin and has gotten punched right on the jar in the past by Cote and shook it off and laughed.

Also in regards to that match, it pissed me off when I saw Kosheck whooping it up after Leben got KOd. Leben has seemed to really grow up after TUF and apparently Josh hasnt yet. Leben has been fighting his ass off doing all the UFNs, being a good company man, and is finally getting his PPV shot.

So I just checked Koscheck on sherdog, he has also fought in all the UFNs except #3. Had stoppage wins except for one deciscion. I just dont know why he cant bury the shit. IMO he was the shit stirrer (maybe Southworth more) on the show. Leben wasnt an angel, but they were the button pushers.

Why the UFC hasnt tried to get a rematch between these two is beyond me. Not only would the back story be great, it would be a great match. Both guys have improved their games since. I also find it interesting that all of Lebens UFN fight have beein aired but Kos has been the dark match with an occasional fill in airing.

Wathing Bonner on the UFNs had been really disappointing. He really seemed to fall off after the finale fight. Even with steroids he wasnt able to do anything in his matches. I still strongly think he lost to Jardine (who I think has the potential to become a force at LHW) and looked like shit against Evans ( who can also become a force in a couple of years, has to work on his ground game/ju jitsu).

In regards to Bonner, the combination of looking bad in his last few fights and the steroids may have done him in for the UFC...except maybe if the UFC wants to try and capitalize on it. They have let positive testers come back, most notable Sylvia years ago after his Cabbage Correra fight. What if they did another TUF comeback with LHWs and this was his "last chance" to get back. Good back story, a TUF veteran on a TUF comeback show. It's got potential. I also wouldnt mind seeing a TUF hybrid with new fighters and vets trying to fight it out.

urine sampler

11-06-2006, 01:02 PM

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it

BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

Even if it did work were still asking Brett to take a big chance unless we can isolate into a back corner somewere out of the public eye.Why dont we all meet up there for Tuf 4 and if we cant work it out we still can all go to that Mccanns place in Nassau.Or we can all go to croms house.Times running out so lets make a dissicion either way im in.
Oh an about te betting.I think were gonna have to take bets how long Hughes lasts.Not whos gonna win.

av8rOC

11-06-2006, 01:05 PM

I think were gonna have to take bets how long Hughes lasts.Not whos gonna win

I wouldnt be surprised to see all 5 rounds. The difference in this fight is that GSP's cardio is right there with Matt. As much as I would like to see a sub or KO, I would bet on a decision.

Palerider4146

11-06-2006, 02:56 PM

I wouldnt be surprised to see all 5 rounds. The difference in this fight is that GSP's cardio is right there with Matt. As much as I would like to see a sub or KO, I would bet on a decision.

Even if GSP doesnt beat him, taking it to a decision would be a feat in itself. Matt has won his last five fights by stoppage and hasnt had a decision since June '04 and a decision loss ever.

av8rOC

11-06-2006, 04:14 PM

Granted, but I dont think he has fought anyone of GSP's current caliber, aside from Penn of course who has questionable cardio and seperated his rib in the 2nd.

Cromwell

11-06-2006, 06:17 PM

Here's some cool YouTube videos for your viewing pleasure :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEE_fR0WPjc&mode=related&search=

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzRkNDcsEvs

:icon_cool

Palerider4146

11-08-2006, 01:13 PM

So PRIDE's USA debut is starting to get a little marred. Three of their fighters, two big names have been cited for NSAC violations. Both Pawel Natsula and Vitor Belfort supposedly tested positive for enhancing substances. It is now reported that Kevin Randleman supplied a false urine sample that the director of NSAC stated was either non-human or supplied from a dead human.

This is where some of my issues with PRIDE come up. Their testing standards are by far different than here in the states. I also thing they go a little over the top and their use of Pro Wrestlers irks me a bit. I know they have also been accused of some jobbed matches in the past.

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 02:02 PM

You can't tell me your surprised though. As much as I would like Pride to be successfull in the US I much prefer the Japanese shows. No soccer kicks, stomps, knees to the head and elbows sucks. On top of that you have fighters trying to dodge drug tests. Dull.

mendozathejew

11-08-2006, 06:59 PM

there have been numerous ufc fighters who tested postive for banned substances, most recently stephan bonner.

and the pride fighters who tested positive after the vegas show are far from key members of Prides company. if henderson, not belfort, had tested positive - that would have been disasterous. but belfort and even randlemen? irrelevant.

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 07:35 PM

You hear about UFC guys occasionally, Bonner being the latest. You have to figure though, they have on average 1-2 shows per month at this point.

Pride comes to the US and has 3 (so far) of its fighters test positive. I think that backs up rumours of rampant sterioid abuse in that org.

It's not that I even care so much, but I would like rules for all org's to be the same. (At least drug testing policies)

mendozathejew

11-08-2006, 08:01 PM

theres a big rumor that Aleks Emelianenko is headed to the UFC, and is in negotiations. hes a two time world sambo champion, hes 6'5 making him alot bigger than his brother.

whiles hes a better boxer than his brother, quicker on his feet and quicker hands, hes not as complete a fighter as fedor but he is younger. Fedor says aleks is just as good as him and will be better.

hes lost to cro cop, brutal KO, and lost to barnett in the GP

mendozathejew

11-08-2006, 08:02 PM

http://www.graciemag.com/?c=144&a=5632
According to MMAUniverse.com, Aleksander’s goal is to take a new direction in his career by leaving Pride and the shadow of his elder brother, the heavyweight champion of the Japanese organization, Fedor Emelianenko.

“Tim Silvia (current UFC heavyweight champion) is a good fighter. Let’s just say that, if I have the chance to face him, I will take it from him with pleasure", says Aleksander

just a rumor. sylvia better hope its just a rumor

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 08:43 PM

God I hope its not a rumor. I thought about Aleks in the UFC and it just makes too much sense. You know he wont fight his brother, and you know he could easily win the UFC belt. He knows it too.

Aleks, for those of you who dont know, is Fedors younger brother. He supposedly had russian mafia ties and did a several (5?) years in jail because of it. He's covered in prison tats.

Would be a SICK addition to the UFC HW division!!!!

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 08:48 PM

...which leads me to wonder if getting a visa would be a problem for Aleks. Convicted felons getting visas??

mendozathejew

11-08-2006, 09:02 PM

yeah thats a good point, aleks might have a problem with a visa. shit bisping isnt going to be ultimate fight night now cause he couldnt get one. Ive seen some on message boards talking about aleks in the Europe UFC that zuffa is putting together. Id like to see him here and beat on sylvia and company

a highlight video of both emelianenkos, alot of aleks clips in it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2764484750698382694&q=aleksander+emelianenko

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 09:08 PM

thats true, I forgot about the UFC's jump into Europe next year. If all else fails he could fight over there.

av8rOC

11-08-2006, 09:11 PM

Great video!!

urine sampler

11-09-2006, 02:16 AM

Morning gentlemen sorry to change the subject I figured I would throw my picks for the finale Lytle over Serra an Lutter over Cote.

armaniwearr

11-09-2006, 10:35 AM

I have Serra over Lytle and Lutter over Cote and Rivera over Dewees

urine sampler

11-09-2006, 02:49 PM

Hey check out Randy choke out a bitch on some radio showhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=cMlGzzWBy10

d0uche_n0zzle

11-09-2006, 03:34 PM

Hey check out Randy choke out a bitch on some radio showhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=cMlGzzWBy10

"Dating tips with Randy"

Flea_Man

11-09-2006, 06:34 PM

Nathan Jones is the worst MMA fighter I've ever seen.

Palerider4146

11-09-2006, 06:37 PM

Is it wrong that I got half filled during that video?

My picks, Serra subs Lytle in the second, RNC. Lutter dec. over Cote.

Alexs in the UFC would be a huge coup, except that it may be very hard to get him physically in the US. I wonder what happened with Bisping, he obviously had been here before when he was on TUF. I'm really disappointed by that, I was really looking forward to seeing him fight. I think he has what it takes to cause some damage in the LHWs. Another fight I'm looking forward to is on the next PPV, forrest vs. Jardine. This has potential to be a great fight and you may see the winner taking on Chuck soon after he KOs Tito (Tito has grown on me since his TUF stint, but he is fighting a very different Chuck).

BTW, as long as my wife doesnt need to study, I'm up for next ppv at cromwells.

mendozathejew

11-09-2006, 08:30 PM

apparently fedor and alex would like to be champions at the same time in pride and ufc respectively. aleks contract with pride is about to end, and I cant see him resigning with pride, hes not going to fight his brother. if not ufc he can sign with K1 Heroes. they have a bigger bank account than Pride

then theres an even younger brother who hasnt competed yet but trains with them.

av8rOC

11-10-2006, 10:17 AM

I'm going with Serra over Lytle and Cote over Lutter.

Bummer about Bisping, IMO the only TUF'r besides Diego that has the potential to actually win a belt.

Any new gossip about Aleks?

Cromwell

11-10-2006, 03:47 PM

I'll be rooting for Serra.

Can't take the fight out of this Long Islander
BY JOE FERNANDEZ
Newsday.com

November 9, 2006

Long Island – Check it.

In case you haven't noticed, East Meadow's Matt Serra is one win away from earning a shot at the UFC welterweight championship.

The 32-year-old UFC veteran, who appeared on Spike TV's "The Ultimate Fighter 4: The Comeback," will face Chris Lytle on Saturday in the show's season finale in Las Vegas. The winner gets a shot at the belt.

The event, which begins at 9 p.m. on Spike TV, will also showcase the middleweight final between Travis Lutter and Patrick Cote. The undercard will feature a matchup between Bay Shore native Pete Sell, one of Serra's top students, and fellow season four contestant Scott Smith.

Because all TUF contestants are required to stay in the same house for six weeks during the taping, fighters get a true sense of their roommates' styles.

"More than anybody in the house, I worked with Chris the most," Serra said. "I know he's got real good hands. He's extremely well-rounded; he's very good on the floor. We had some hard, intense sparring matches. If our fight is going to be anything like that, which I'm sure it would be, it's going to really pay off for the fans. They're the ones who are going to be the winners."

Season four pitted veteran fighters looking for one more chance to make it in the fast-growing UFC. The winners of the two weight classes earn title shots in a couple of months. Serra could be standing across the Octagon from Matt Hughes, arguably the greatest fighter pound-for-pound in the history of the UFC. But first Hughes has to defend his welterweight belt against Georges St. Pierre Saturday, Nov. 18, at UFC 65.

"I don't sweat that," Serra said of possibly facing Hughes. "The deal is this -- it's a fight. I don't care what his record is, no human being is unbeatable. This is mixed martial arts, this is the sport of upsets. If I'm fighting Matt Hughes, I'm fighting Matt Hughes. If I take him out, that's the goal. And if I don't, he'll know he's been in a fight. That's the attitude you have to have, otherwise you don't belong in there."

And that's the attitude that earned Serra the distinction of being the first American black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu under Renzo Gracie, a member of the legendary Gracie family. Serra owns and runs two academies on Long Island (Huntington and East Meadow) with his brother Nick. While Matt Serra already has eight fights in the UFC, his fighting career got an early start in his East Meadow neighborhood.

"I had my share of scraps in junior high and high school," Serra said. "I'll tell you right now, if I had the Serra Jitsu academy there would have been a different outlet for me. Not that I was a troublemaker or used to look for trouble, but it definitely would've channeled it the right way."

So will the people get to see one of Serra's Brazilian jiu-jitsu submissions?

"Any way I can end it would be phenomenal," Serra said. "Of course a submission would be beautiful."

Visit Matt's site at www.serrajitsu.com

locallounge

11-11-2006, 11:24 AM

November 11, 2006
by Greg Savage

There have been rumblings from the Miletich camp for several months that UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes (Pictures) was considering winding down his extraordinary career.

Hughes recently confirmed to Sherdog.com that he indeed plans on fighting out his current UFC contract, which will have one bout left following his title defense against Georges St. Pierre (Pictures) on Nov. 18, before retiring from active participation in the sport of mixed martial arts.

The question was first broached when Hughes was asked where he saw himself a year from now. “Hopefully retired with my family back home,” the UFC welterweight champion responded.

“In a perfect world” Hughes declared that he would “fight a couple more times, retire, [and] go back home.”

Hughes cited the strain of being away from family, including a newborn daughter, as motivation for hanging up his four-ounce gloves.

The two time UFC champ, who stands at 40-4-0, made it clear he has come to a point where the benefits of fighting are far outweighed by the negatives that come along with it.

Hughes, 33, did leave open the possibility, should he get past a very tough St. Pierre, of moving up in weight to face UFC 185-pound champion Anderson Silva in hopes of becoming the first fighter to concurrently hold UFC titles in multiple weight classes.

av8rOC

11-11-2006, 11:30 AM

Be nice to see him fight Silva but lets see....

Obviously he has to fight GSP and that leaves one fight remaining on his contract.

If he beats GSP: he has to fight tonights tuf 4 winner, or so I would expect.

If he loses to GSP: you HAVE to expect a rubbermatch, too much money to be made on that!

I dont see him fighting Silva unless he extends his contract.

av8rOC

11-11-2006, 11:32 AM

Lets not forget about BJ Penn either.... That matchup is 1-1 right now with Matt getting his ass kicked for 2 rounds in the second only to take advantage of a Penn rib injury.

Im thinking this retirement talk is a lot of hype for Matt to generate some big money for his next contract, but I am naturally synical:action-sm

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 07:39 PM

Hey folks, sorry I cant make it out to the Island tonight, I'm home alone with little palerider. Hopefully we can get together next week, I'm really looking forward to next weeks card.

I'll be on here later for an improptu watching thread. See you all later.

PEST BY TRADE

11-11-2006, 09:08 PM

One hour to go
are there any good under cards tonight
anyone know

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 09:12 PM

Undercards look so so, I was really looking forward to Bisping fight, but his visa didnt come through in time. I'm most interested in the Serra fight, both because he's a local guy and I think it will be the best fight. It's going to be 3 hrs, so I wonder how they plan on stretching it for so long.

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 09:14 PM

edit

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 09:22 PM

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=6088

sherdogs live play by play, including the dark matches that have already begun. mccarthy tapped out gideon ray. smith KOd pete sell in what sounds like a violent fight.

clementi vs din thomas might be entertaining. Im surpised they didnt get shonie carter on the card.

I'll honestly be watching the Klitscho vs Brock fight on HBO when that comes on at 10, should be a good scrap

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 09:26 PM

jeremy jackson is fighting pete spratt next. jackson is the guy who fucked the fat lifeguard from the pool and dana kicked out. dana white does not give second chances for shit like that, hes a dickhead.

PEST BY TRADE

11-11-2006, 10:01 PM

It's on baby time for some action

It better not be a bore fest

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 10:14 PM

Palerider checking in, what's up boys.

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 10:15 PM

Is that Riggs in babyface's corner?

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 10:25 PM

more commercials than fm radio

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 10:28 PM

Yeah, lots of commercials and filler.

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 10:32 PM

I dont know why, but there is something I just dont like about Clementi, although I am interested in seeing him at LW. He's going to be a huge LW.

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 11:15 PM

wow that was good

my bad on the spoiler, Im a douche

urine sampler

11-11-2006, 11:23 PM

Hey fellas what a fuckin finish for smith I thought he was done

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 11:32 PM

Nice fight, I would have liked to see Sell win, but it was a nice showing for both of them, Sell at 23 has lots of potential, just needs to become a smarter fighter (I said smarter fighter, I dont see him going back to college or anything).

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 11:38 PM

Awesome ju jitsu, I never thought it would go so quickly like that. Silva will knock him the fuck out though.

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 11:42 PM

haha six figure contract, over 3 or 4 years. it aint a yearly contract

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 11:52 PM

haha six figure contract, over 3 or 4 years. it aint a yearly contract

Different for this season, they get a straight 100,000 cash, then a 100,000 endorsement deal.

d0uche_n0zzle

11-11-2006, 11:53 PM

It supplements knee breaking quite nicely.

mendozathejew

11-11-2006, 11:54 PM

Different for this season, they get a straight 100,000 cash, then a 100,000 endorsement deal.
really? thats impressive I hadnt heard that.

urine sampler

11-11-2006, 11:58 PM

I fuckin hate hughes I hope GSP finishes him quick

Palerider4146

11-11-2006, 11:58 PM

Hey Mendoza, where in jersey are you. I'm sure you noticed a few of us have talked about getting together next weekend, probably out on the island.

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Although I like Hughes, if GSP apoligized, then it should be over. Matt has showed his prickness when he was a coach and a trainer. He still is one of my favorite fighters, but for someone who is supposedly so into Jesus/god, he can act like a real prick.

mendozathejew

11-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Im only 12 miles outside of the nyc. next weekend Im pretty sure Im headed up to boston, but Id definitely meet up to catch some mma events after that

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 12:03 AM

This is pretty cool, because of all the stoppages, we are getting a bunch of the dark matches. This Kampmann fella is supposed to be pretty good.

mendozathejew

11-12-2006, 12:04 AM

holy shit HBO just showed muhammed ali at the garden tonight, about 100 times worse than the last time Ive seen him on tv

urine sampler

11-12-2006, 12:35 AM

Here it comes Im takeing the under dog Lytle. Anybody with me

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 12:36 AM

The Danish guy had way to many times to finish that fight but he didnt. Good striker and all, but Silva and Franklin would kick his ass.

Serra for me.

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 01:03 AM

Rogan and Goldberg really called a bad card tonight. They kept on calling the guy from Denmark dutch as if they werent two different countries, and they keep talking about a draw in the serra match. The only way there would be a draw was if someone had a 10-8 round and the other had two 10-9 rounds.

Really close fight, but I hate when judges are all over like that. There is no way that was a 30-27 match for either guy.

urine sampler

11-12-2006, 01:04 AM

Either one of these guys have what it takes to beat hughes or GSP

urine sampler

11-12-2006, 01:05 AM

urine sampler

11-12-2006, 01:07 AM

what the fuck are they booooing for?

mendozathejew

11-12-2006, 01:08 AM

tough fight to call, I thought lytle won

anyone who ever was a boxing fan, watch the count down show on hbo right now for pacquiao morales III, its boxing brutality at its best. pac man has bruce lee movie like speed, the first ttwo fights were brutal

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 01:09 AM

dude you lost me?

It's scored on a 10 point must system, being that the winner of the round must get 10 points and the loser getting 9 or less. You only see a guy get a 8 if he was really dominated in that round, doesnt happen to often. So the only way that the match could have gone to a draw would be the following:

First round: Serra 10-8
Second round: Lytle 10-9
Third round: Lytle 10-9
Final result:28-28 draw

There was no way either guy had a 10-8 round.

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 01:11 AM

The fight really could have went either way, it wasnt a great fight at all, but it wasnt because they didnt try, it was because they were just way to evenly matched up.

urine sampler

11-12-2006, 01:18 AM

I hear you that totally could of went both ways Lytle got fucked because they ran out of time it was already after 12

mendozathejew

11-12-2006, 01:30 AM

looking at mma message boards, people are in shock, thought lytle won 2 rounds at worst, citing two taking downs to serras 1.

Cybouncer

11-12-2006, 04:39 AM

I really wanted Serra to win but I was surprised. I was very impressed with the way Lytle was able to defend Serra's takedown attempts.

If Serra wants to have a shot at Hughes or GSP, he had better get in better shape and tighten up his game. Either one of those two would have made him pay tonight...

mendozathejew

11-12-2006, 07:34 AM

serra has very very short arms, and I think thats one reason he cant get guys down easily. din thomas with his reach kept serra away for a whole fight, and that was at lightweight. at 170 hes gona have a real tough time getting guys down, especially from the clinch.

Cromwell

11-12-2006, 08:08 AM

Congrats to Matt Serra for getting the split decision on a very close fight. I thought the fact that he pressed the action for most of the fight is the reason why he got the nod at the end.

But - there's no way he can beat either of Hughes or GSP.

Din Thomas looked good but Clementi just quit. He practically put Thomas' arm around his own neck for him. Very weak, IMO.

The kid from Denmark was a good striker. Not a lot of power but very accurate.

Travis Lutter's ju-jitsu is sick. After all that talk of him barely making weight and being dehydrated, he made mince-meat of the so-called "Predator".

Lutter is a force to be reckoned with. If he can stay away from Silva's strikes (a big if I know) - and take it to the ground - it could be interesting.

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 10:25 AM

Yeah, a bunch of the MMA message boards have keyboard commandos saying the serra deciscion was a UFC fix mannnnnn! That's obsurd, in this day and age, I really believe the NSAC is above fixing a MMA match for the UFC.

Like I said above, it's absurd either fighter was awarded a 30-27, no less the deciscion that was handed down, but that is what happens when you leave it up to the judges. I think the fact that Serra was the aggressor helped him. Lytle's back was to the cage for a majority of the match.

Serra had a true takedown, but Lytle did an amazing job keeping his guard. In regards to Lytles takedowns, IMO, one wasnt a takedown so much as Serra purposely pulling guard to try and work from the bottom, which landed Lytle in to a nice Omoplata and almost a real tight armbar, had that been tighter, you may have seen a sub. I dont know if the judges differentiate between a takedown and a guy pulling guard.

Like I said above, this was a boring match, but not because the fighters didnt try, I think it was more because these guys were so evenly matched they neutralized each other and caused a 15 min stalemate.

Kid Brock

11-12-2006, 01:43 PM

I hear you that totally could of went both ways Lytle got fucked because they ran out of time it was already after 12

The only reason they went after 12 though is because at first they were running short and they went back and showed the first fight of the night with the Denmark kid and the Brazilian. That was supposed to be the dark match they just needed it to fill up the slot.

Cybouncer

11-12-2006, 01:47 PM

Yeah, I got fucked too. I TIVO'd the thing and it got cut off right before the decision.

Palerider4146

11-12-2006, 11:22 PM

I'm trying to do some research in regards to round scoring, I may have been wrong on my assesment that in the 10 point must system there must be a winner per round. Some stuff that I have read suggests that they may actually be able to score a round 10-10. Does anyone else have any info in regards to this.

mendozathejew

11-13-2006, 06:47 AM

aleks emelianenko lost sunday in an mma event in denmark (I think). fabricio werdum beat him pretty easily with an arm triangle choke. maybe this makes it easier for him to move to ufc, hopefully dana white isnt afraid of aleks beating sylvia, monson, and/or AA after he has lost his 2 of his last 3 to fighters in pride. hes young and has alot of upside

for those of you that havent seen aleks, as you can see in these photos hes a true sociopath, did 5 years in prison, has russian mafia tats on his shoulders, which he denies. his tats are very debated, hes got german on his back some say is suspiciously nazi like others say isnt at all. who knows, hes a russian redneck
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Palerider4146

11-13-2006, 10:20 AM

As Jimmy would say, he looks like he could be a problem.

av8rOC

11-13-2006, 11:03 AM

fuck if Adolph Hitler could kick Sylvia's ass and add depth to the UFC HW division I say sign his ass. the more crazy the better....its a fucking fight!!

wes mantooth

11-13-2006, 11:17 AM

Yeah, I got fucked too. I TIVO'd the thing and it got cut off right before the decision.

Same here. I was pissed yesterday morning when my DVR didn't capture the whole night. I passed out at the start of the Serra fight but it doesn't look like I missed that much. The Sell/Smith fight fucking rocked though.

Cromwell

11-13-2006, 11:33 AM

Same here. I was pissed yesterday morning when my DVR didn't capture the whole night. I passed out at the start of the Serra fight but it doesn't look like I missed that much.

Like Palerider said - it *was* a good fight in terms of competition Two evenly matched guys trying to assert their wills over each other. Not a lot of punches thrown, but that's because Serra kept trying to take Lytle down, and Chris spent most of his time countering that.

The Sell/Smith fight fucking rocked though.

That really was a cool slugfest.

The ending was the most unpredictable thing I've ever seen.

How Smith still had that one last shot left in him, after taking that rib-crusher from Sell - quite impressive.

And Pete - learn a lesson from this - *always* keep your hands up. Had you done that, you would have won.

Palerider4146

11-13-2006, 12:08 PM

That really was a cool slugfest.

The ending was the most unpredictable thing I've ever seen.

How Smith still had that one last shot left in him, after taking that rib-crusher from Sell - quite impressive.

And Pete - learn a lesson from this - *always* keep your hands up. Had you done that, you would have won.

I wonder if Smith got struck in the solarplexus and got the wind knocked out of him. He looked just like Charles McCarthy after he got spinning back kicked by the crow. Great fight and looking forward to seeing the two of them back in the UFC.

Boratfan

11-14-2006, 04:53 PM

Cromwell

11-14-2006, 05:06 PM

QUOTE=Palerider4146]I wonder if Smith got struck in the solarplexus and got the wind knocked out of him. He looked just like Charles McCarthy after he got spinning back kicked by the crow. Great fight and looking forward to seeing the two of them back in the UFC.[/QUOTE]

Smith was really hurt. That was a direct rib crusher. Sell moved in for the kill but he dropped his hands and paid dearly for it.

Din Thomas and Jorge Rivera looked really good, and much improved, on the card. Din Thomas is gonna do very well in the 155 lb division, i see him climbing the ranks quickly. With the MW division being weak i can see Jorge racking up some victories and eventually getting a shot at the title.

I agree. Rivera did look impressive. I guess he really wanted to make up for his mediorce showing during the TUF show.

Thomas has good skills - but can he fend off the takedown attempts from Sherk?

Palerider4146

11-14-2006, 09:15 PM

Din Thomas and Jorge Rivera looked really good, and much improved, on the card. Din Thomas is gonna do very well in the 155 lb division, i see him climbing the ranks quickly. With the MW division being weak i can see Jorge racking up some victories and eventually getting a shot at the title.

The only thing about Jorge, is that his comeback wasnt so much from time off as it was some tough recent losses in the UFC. His last fight was just last January when Leben KOd him. He's a tough guy, but I really think he needs to get some wins behind him first. Leben would deserve a title shot before him. Unfortunately for Leben, we know how his last fight against Silva went. Jorge also lost to Silva in a different organization.

As for Lutter vs Silva, it could be interesting depending on how quick Lutter could get him to the ground. There is a video of Lutter vs Pele, who is a very good Muay Thai fighter (as far as I know, not as good as silva). Lutter got him down to the ground and eventually slipped in a nice armbar to sub him.

I have only seen Silva fight in his two UFC fights and he was very impressive. I dont think I have seen as good of a striker yet.

Boratfan

11-14-2006, 11:13 PM

Even though "The Crow" doesn't deserve a title shot(especially cause he's lost every match since his fight with Franklin...) i'd love to see him face Silva. That would be a very quick match but with some world class striking.

av8rOC

11-14-2006, 11:23 PM

Boratfan

11-15-2006, 01:35 AM

he has only fought Swick since right?

regardless, that is a fight I would like to see.

Your right, for some reason i thought he fought a couple of times. Swick deserves the next shot after Lutter.

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

Palerider4146

11-15-2006, 02:05 AM

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

Melvin Guillard at LW, he really is one of them most explosive fighters I have seen. Has he gets a bit older, mature and experienced, he may threaten Sherk soon.

urine sampler

11-15-2006, 05:13 AM

Melvin Guillard at LW, he really is one of them most explosive fighters I have seen. Has he gets a bit older, mature and experienced, he may threaten Sherk soon.

I agree about melvin he is one bad dude but Dieago been held off long enough I think hes next.

Larz

11-15-2006, 06:21 AM

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

Diego Sanchez, the guy is relentless and has endless stamina. Why is he getting leapfrogged at 170 by GSP and Serra? Sanchez is undefeated in UFC and is 17-0 in totall MMA fights.

His fight with Caro Parysian was awesome. I'm a Judo guy and was rooting for Parysian but Sanchez really impressed me. Overall a classic fight for anyone interested in Judo vs. Jiujitsu grappling.

Larz

11-15-2006, 06:27 AM

From what I've seen of Sanchez he would destroy Serra. Serra gets gassed and has zero power, his ground and pound is total shit. To me the guy is totally overrated.

And his fucking footstomp is really annoying. I get a good chuckle everytime they run the highlight film of Shonie pimp slapping him.

Cromwell

11-15-2006, 08:04 AM

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

I don't think he'll be the first - but I think Kendall Grove will get there eventually. He has excellent ju jitsu skills, great cardio and has improved dramatically with each fight.

I think he is going to continue to surprise people.

I could see him beating Sanchez.

av8rOC

11-15-2006, 09:42 AM

av8rOC

11-15-2006, 10:26 AM

Loiseau out of the UFC:

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

bummer

Boratfan

11-15-2006, 11:48 AM

Loiseau out of the UFC:

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

bummer

Man... thats the crappy thing about UFC.. u lose a couple of fights and suddenly your on your ass. If the Crow goes to Pride or IFL.. he will do very well.

urine sampler

11-15-2006, 03:02 PM

Diego has a shot at the belt only if GSP leaves the UFC someday. I agree with Palerider in that Guillard has a better chance in his weight class. Hell even Forrest has a better shot at LHW then Deigo does at WW.

I think your might be right even when GSP wins then Serra Losses then there gonna give Hughes A rematch. So Deiago got at least 9 months before he gets a shot the only way he might get one sooner is if Hughes wins (highly unlikely).
Forrest is good but I dont see him being able to beat Liddel.

av8rOC

11-15-2006, 04:19 PM

I dont either, for a while. Liddell is getting old, hes pushing 40 though. I think Forrest will be able to beat him in a few years. I was just saying between Hughes and GSP @ 170 Diego has very little chance of winning a belt.

Larz

11-15-2006, 05:29 PM

Is Serra guaranteed the next title shot or is it dependent on Hughes winning?

urine sampler

11-15-2006, 05:50 PM

Yeah I think they said feb.
Fuckin waist of time.
Il agree with you av8roc that GSP would be tough even Penn but Im telling you hughes aint as tough as you think.

Boratfan

11-17-2006, 09:36 PM

I'm gonna check out the fight tommorow night at McCanns Pub # 2 Massapequea NY 516 798-1496. I'll be wearing an orange David Wright Mets shirt. Give me a tap and introduce yourself if your gonna be there tommorow night. Event begins at 10:00.. be there or be square.

Palerider4146

11-18-2006, 02:18 PM

Unfortuantely I have to work tonight and cant get out of it. But I definetly want to get together with you guys next time I can.

mendozathejew

11-18-2006, 05:36 PM

Man... thats the crappy thing about UFC.. u lose a couple of fights and suddenly your on your ass. If the Crow goes to Pride or IFL.. he will do very well.
he wont be able to use his elbows in pride

Palerider4146

11-18-2006, 08:15 PM

he wont be able to use his elbows in pride

Good point Jew, good point!!! The crow is most lethal from his ground and pound elbows.

BTW, what's everyone think of tonights card. You have to like any card that has two title fights on it. The Snowman has quickly become a favorite of mine and I'm hoping to see a nice armbar sub.

The GSP/Hughes fight doesnt need much hype.

Supposedly Mir has been spotted in shape and if so, his fight with Vera could be very interesting and telling for both their futures.

James Irvin always has exciting fights. And Joe Stevenson is debuting at 155, which should be real interesting. I bet his fight weight is going to be close to 185.

Hey Cromwell, I'm still looking forward to getting together with you and some of the others for a fight in the future.

Cromwell

11-18-2006, 09:48 PM

Hey Cromwell, I'm still looking forward to getting together with you and some of the others for a fight in the future.

I'm not sure we're the same weight class :icon_mrgr :rolleyes:

Captain_Spaulding

11-18-2006, 11:41 PM

anyone watching the UFC 65 pay per view? How is it going? I couldn't get this one but I am getting the next one for sure.

urine sampler

11-19-2006, 12:03 AM

its nuts nothing went past the 1st round yet

Captain_Spaulding

11-19-2006, 12:04 AM

Wow, lame. Has the Hughes fight started yet? Can you post round by round when it does? Thanks man,

urine sampler

11-19-2006, 01:13 AM

jjust watched 5 rounds of crap with Silvia/monson Silva retained Hughes on next I dont type fast enuff for that go to serdog for play by play come back after 1 Il tell you all about it

urine sampler

11-19-2006, 02:05 AM

Congrats to GSP walked right throu Hughes. Are any of you hughes fans still gonna call me crazy when I say hes all washed up?

Steam

11-19-2006, 02:08 AM

Just read that GSP won. Fucking nice! Hughes is awesome but seeing him on The Ultimate Fighter made me realize what a cockbag he is. Taunting GSP at that meal was fucking ridiculous. Karma just gave ol' farmboy a nice swift kick to the gut. No pun intended.

Larz

11-19-2006, 07:56 AM

It looked like Hughes was working in Slo-Mo, GSP read him like an open book and dropped him. That kick to the head was vicious.

av8rOC

11-19-2006, 09:31 AM

Great night, Silva the Oaf aside.

Brandon Vera will be the next HW champ, and I believe he will get the next shot. I've never heard anyone booed so loud as Silva was, he is so boring its ridiculous. Big John had to stop the fight in the third to warn them for being so lame.
GSP proved what Penn exposed....Hughes has had a nice ride, but he is nowhere near the best at 170 any longer. Glad to see GSP wearing the belt, you can tell he is a genuinely nice guy.

highway23

11-19-2006, 12:08 PM

Kick to the head:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

entire fight (No sound) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

Jimmy's Dignity

11-19-2006, 07:01 PM

Kick to the head:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

entire fight (No sound) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0
booo, yoinked already:icon_evil

d0uche_n0zzle

11-19-2006, 07:29 PM

Wow, Hughes got knocked the fuck out.

Thought Jesus was on his side? "whaa"

Steam

11-19-2006, 08:04 PM

Thought Jesus was on his side? "whaa"

I don't think Jesus really supports asshats.

Palerider4146

11-19-2006, 10:26 PM

[quote=av8rOC]Great night, Silva the Oaf aside.

Brandon Vera will be the next HW champ, and I believe he will get the next shot. I've never heard anyone booed so loud as Silva was, he is so boring its ridiculous. Big John had to stop the fight in the third to warn them for being so lame.
[quote=av8rOC]

I'm not going to disagree with you, with the exception of a nice jiu jitsu match in the 3rd and 4th rounds, the fight was poor. Although I'm not a big Sylvia fan, I dont blame him. Monson gassed in the 3rd round. Takes a lot of oxygen to keep feeding all that muscle he has and some of those big muscle guys are going to gas quicker than a guy like Sylvia or even Vera. Tim knew he had the fight won in the 4th, and he did hold back. From a fan's point of view it sucked, but I'm not the one trying to keep the belt and win the winner's purse. He did what he had to do to win the fight without taking a chance of getting KOd or subbed.

In regards to Hughes, he isnt washed up, the guy got beat, but dont think for a minute he wont be back in Iowa to work on his gameplan again. I've been a Hughes fan, but GSP has quickly grown on me, especially when I've seen some of the hypocricy that Matt spews sometimes. GSP is going to make a great champion, but you know Matt will want to beat him one last time and retire champ. That said, amazing fight by GSP, he completely owned him. His confidence will only grow now. Question is does Matt get a rematch before Serra's shot. I'm not sure how long the suspension for a stoppage is.

BTW, did anyone catch the little interaction between GSP and Dana and the Fertitta bros. GSP got really excited and said something to the affect of "Montreal!!! That is my dream, oh my god!" and "Your not kidding?". My guess is Hughes/GSP II will be the UFCs first Canadian show right in GSPs backyard. Hopefully the Canadian fans wont be as classless as the fans in Sacramento who insisted on starting USA chants. I'm as patriotic as they come, but those two guys fighting has nothing to do with national pride.

Stevenson looked good, but so could I if some Jap kept sticking his head into my armpit so that I could guillotine him.

My guess is Sylvia/Vera sometime in February, maybe the big superbowl card. Mir may be done in the UFC for a while, he looked in much better shape, but I dont think his head is there right now. He's a very young guy, so he may just need some confidence building fights in one of the smaller shows for now.

So why exactly did the in shape patrice go down? That Dutch kickboxer looked real good from the striking standpoint, but could still use a lot of work on his ground game. Will look forward to seeing him fight a bit more. A big striker like that could be interesting vs Sylvia.

Larz

11-19-2006, 11:28 PM

Although I'm not a big Sylvia fan, I dont blame him.

I'm not a Sylvia fan either but I gotta say, I actually enjoyed the fight from a tactical perspective. The guy really went in prepared and totally neutalized Monson, even reversed him a couple of times on the ground. Its a real sport afterall, not the WWF. Not every fight can be flashy especially in the HW class, and Sylvia gave a clinic on how a striker takes on a worldclass grappler. He used his height advantage, kept monson at bay with the jab, and broke him down mentally. There were a lot of boos, but in the last minute or so Monson totally gave up, hell he was just laying there on his back as sylvia peppered him with those insult kicks. Sure there was no KO, but Monson got KOed psychologically, good stuff in my book.

Larz

11-19-2006, 11:29 PM

My 2 fav Highlights for the Hughes GSP fight (besides that sick kick)

GSP flying punch: I swear I could see the imprint of his fist on Hughes forehead.

GSP Leg Sweep: That was just so OMG amazingly insulting, putting hughes on his ass with a sweep.

GSP just showed it all, true MMA vs a 1.5 dimensional fighter. Hughes made it this far not as much from his grappling, but from stamina, heart and pure strength. Gotta give him props but GSP is really what MMA is all about.

mendozathejew

11-20-2006, 12:22 AM

I'm not a Sylvia fan either but I gotta say, I actually enjoyed the fight from a tactical perspective. good stuff in my book.

ugh its horrible on every level. if you want to see heavyweights impress you on the ground check out barnett vs nog in prides gp from a few months ago, or barnett and werdum in the previous round.

ufc hw fights are ubearable, hopefully vera can atleast make it entertaining if he can off sylvia. fedors brother isnt perfect like him, but hed add excitement. vera and aleks would atleast be heavyweights who put on a performance.

by the way, if any of you are interested in downloading fights, theres a boxing message board that has an mma forum. only an email address is required to sign up, and you can download pretty much every ppv card the following day. doghouseboxing.com

Larz

11-20-2006, 01:32 AM

I agree with you on the UFC HW, the fights just aren't as dynamic as the other classes, however Sylvia was taking a lot of shit for playing defense, lots of boos at the bar where I watched. I just saw it as good tactics, and coming from a ground fighting background myself I was surprised at how he zeroed out monson on the ground.

I have a bunch of Pride fights in my library, Fedor i know will eat Silvia for breakfast but I've never seen the brother to be honest. Does that site have any of his fights you'd reccomend?

mendozathejew

11-20-2006, 01:58 AM

I have a bunch of Pride fights in my library, Fedor i know will eat Silvia for breakfast but I've never seen the brother to be honest. Does that site have any of his fights you'd reccomend?
yeah check out page 4 of the download thread. aleks vs sergei kharitonov, that was 2 fights ago for aleks, great ending.

Larz

11-20-2006, 03:29 AM

hey thanks man, and after watching the fight i realize this guy fought crocop a couple years ago, i have it on disk somewhere gonna rewatch it.

Palerider4146

11-20-2006, 09:30 AM

I dont want to start another UFC vs Pride thing here, but IMO if Fedor and Sylvia ever faced off, I do think Fedor would win, but I dont think it will be the massacare all would expect. This last fight made me respect Sylvia a bit more. He really prepared for this fight, that sprawl was awesome, although helped out by the 11 inch height difference and he also used his height to a great advantage in the guard. Monson could not get around that guard for most of the fight. He also defended Monson's choke attempts amazingly, even almost reversing him into his own chokes, to bad Monson doesnt have a neck.

The thing that impressed me the most though was his cardio. He looked fresh at the end of the match, after 25 minutes of fighting. Monson mentally tapped about the 3rd or 4th round. He is a world class athlete who gassed before that puggy bastard. I still would like to see Sylvia drop like 30 pounds to look a bit more like a fighter. In the past because of his physical appearanct, I never gave him the respect, but after Sat night, I may need to change my mind a bit.

urine sampler

11-20-2006, 01:53 PM

I hear ya about Silvia, Pale he did look good that night although I cant stand him. I think he will retain again next time aganst Vera because of the same issue.Veras to small he should be a lhw.The only person in the UFC that should be able to beat him is Arlovski if he dont fight his fight again he has to give him some takedowns to worry about so he drops his hands some.

Cromwell

11-20-2006, 02:12 PM

In regards to Hughes, he isnt washed up, the guy got beat, but dont think for a minute he wont be back in Iowa to work on his gameplan again. I've been a Hughes fan, but GSP has quickly grown on me, especially when I've seen some of the hypocricy that Matt spews sometimes. GSP is going to make a great champion, but you know Matt will want to beat him one last time and retire champ. That said, amazing fight by GSP, he completely owned him. His confidence will only grow now. Question is does Matt get a rematch before Serra's shot. I'm not sure how long the suspension for a stoppage is.

Quoted for truth.

Hughes simply goes back into the pack. I look forward to seeing him fight Diego and possibly Penn again. Or even Kendall Grove for that matter.

Why has no one here mentioned the two low blows to Hughes early in the match? Was neither of those a factor?

I'm not saying he would have won - but clearly it has an effect on you. Even GSP said in his post-match interview that he had seen Hughes comeback from early round adversity and didn't want to give him a chance to do so agian.

Hey - there's nothing *not* to like about GSP. He will be a great champion, most-likely for as long of a run as Hughes had.

Palerider4146

11-20-2006, 02:26 PM

Quoted for truth.

Hughes simply goes back into the pack. I look forward to seeing him fight Diego and possibly Penn again. Or even Kendall Grove for that matter.

Why has no one here mentioned the two low blows to Hughes early in the match? Was neither of those a factor?

I'm not saying he would have won - but clearly it has an effect on you. Even GSP said in his post-match interview that he had seen Hughes comeback from early round adversity and didn't want to give him a chance to do so agian.

Hey - there's nothing *not* to like about GSP. He will be a great champion, most-likely for as long of a run as Hughes had.
There was some mention in some of the other MMA forums that during the post fight interview, Hughes said the low blows didnt affect him and if anything affected GSP more since he had to be more careful when trying to land those shin strikes to the thigh.I started to wonder if GSP had been training with Keith Hackney. I would love to see a vid cap of the second groin shot when you can see GSP's toes landing right on his sac. They do where cups, so I wonder how much is actually felt.

mendozathejew

11-20-2006, 03:35 PM

I dont want to start another UFC vs Pride thing here, but IMO if Fedor and Sylvia ever faced off, I do think Fedor would win, but I dont think it will be the massacare all would expect. .

fedor would **** sylvia. cro cop might make him a cripple. barnett and nog would tap him. monson is a good submission grappler, not a great submission mma fighter. he has zero imrpessive subs to mention in mma. its a difference in physical capabilities, speed power and overall athleticism. Arlovski had it, but not the fire or chin to finish tim. tims sprawl doesnt impressive me against physically limited fighters.

av8rOC

11-20-2006, 04:44 PM

Trust me, Dana knows full well how little fans think of Sylvia, hence he cant headline his own PPV and the rumours of signing Aleks. His reign as UFC champ will be very shortlived, IMO his next fight against Vera will end it.

urine sampler

11-20-2006, 05:03 PM

I dont think Vera gonna be able only because of his size.
Hell Silvia should take the fighter evrybody loves to hate angle it works for wrestling

av8rOC

11-20-2006, 05:08 PM

Did you see Vera get in the cage when Tim called him out? There is only a difference of a few inches. Brandon has a great reach as well.

Combine that with Vera's superior talent and you have yourself a new HW champ.

urine sampler

11-20-2006, 05:27 PM

I hope your right I think they said he is 6-2 230lbs thats Liddells size after a weekend of partying.Speaking of Liddell how do you think he would do with there similar styles?

Larz

11-20-2006, 06:50 PM

If vera could cut weight to 205 he'd be the guy to give liddell a real challenge.
I just don't see Ortiz getting it done.

urine sampler

11-21-2006, 03:29 AM

Ortiz is defenetly not getting it done.
Also Larz I didnt mean Liddell for Vera I ment for Silvia.
P.S how about that James Irvin fight. Sweet fuckin KO.

Chino Kapone

11-21-2006, 03:52 PM

i watched the fight at hooters. it was great!! i could have won alot of money if i would have bet on gsp, he just looked more prepared for the fight than hughes did. i was not impressed with hughes at all.

i have watched the last two ppvs and have noticed that both franklin and hughes, who both seem to be very dominant, got their asses handed to them. i called both hughes and franklin to lose, and really wish i had the opportunity to bet on those events. anderson silva is a beast and i dont see him losing anytime soon. gsp is going to be a great champ, he is very humble and i really like the way he conducts himself in and outta the ring.

the rubes chanting "usa! usa!" dont know or understand shit about the sport. this isnt the wwe, its not like they are bringing a fighter from iraq to fight.

novalia

11-21-2006, 04:39 PM

everybody loses in mma..

Chino Kapone

11-21-2006, 04:44 PM

everybody loses in mma..

no they dont....

novalia

11-21-2006, 04:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5QgIoBKJxM

Larz

11-21-2006, 05:54 PM

Also Larz I didnt mean Liddell for Vera I ment for Silvia.

Liddell is the last of Dana's old guard golden boys, he's a draw and I'm not so sure they wanna risk him getting tarnished by a loss against someone like Sylvia.

Having said that, I'd bet at 225-230 he would be a slight favorite vs Sylvia. Sylvia is a bore but fights smart and has freak size, it wouldn't be a one-sided fight.

One things for sure though, UFC needs to bring in some real HW talent, and after Ortiz goes down LHW will also be sucking wind.

Anyone know why pride has such better fighters in HW?

Chino Kapone

11-21-2006, 05:57 PM

no they dont....

sorry, this maybe a more appropriate response....

DO THEY?!?!?

Larz

11-21-2006, 06:40 PM

the rubes chanting "usa! usa!" dont know or understand shit about the sport. this isnt the wwe, its not like they are bringing a fighter from iraq to fight.

I've competed in Judo from 1st grade through highschool.
I've competed wrestling from highschool through college.
I've been screwing around with boxing/Muay Thai for about 4 years and done club fights.

Never in a million years would I even think about setting foot in the shittiest MMA competition, you gotta respect these guys especially at the top level. Even if it was some smelly Iranian waving around a Koran vs. Hughes, I don't think I'd get into an 'America Fuck Yeah' mode.

av8rOC

11-21-2006, 07:04 PM

I've competed in Judo from 1st grade through highschool.
I've competed wrestling from highschool through college.
I've been screwing around with boxing/Muay Thai for about 4 years and done club fights.

Never in a million years would I even think about setting foot in the shittiest MMA competition, you gotta respect these guys especially at the top level. Even if it was some smelly Iranian waving around a Koran vs. Hughes, I don't think I'd get into an 'America Fuck Yeah' mode.

I agree...I cringe so bad when the fans start booing or doing the USA chant. The good news is GSP's next defense will be in Montreal and Im sure the crowd will be great.

mendozathejew

11-21-2006, 07:59 PM

Anyone know why pride has such better fighters in HW?

pride pays much much more generously. in japan they can sell out large arenas. in terms of internaitonal talent, they get first crack nine out of ten times in all weight divisions

av8rOC

11-21-2006, 08:03 PM

pride pays much much more generously. in japan they can sell out large arenas. in terms of internaitonal talent, they get first crack nine out of ten times in all weight divisions

Not so true anymore.... Pride's recent financial troubles (lack of a tv deal, association with Japanes organized crime) has caused them to cut back on fighter pay. For example, Mirko pulling out of the GP a couple of months ago because they were only paying him 150k or for both fights.

It was just reported in a Toronto newspaper that GSP will receive over 500k for saturdays fight after bonuses. Tito and Chuck get in the neighborhood of 300k a fight, etc etc..

I think you will start to see more and more talent leaving Pride ala Rampage unless Pride can secure a TV deal or sell some PPV's in the US.

av8rOC

11-21-2006, 08:14 PM

I agree...I cringe so bad when the fans start booing or doing the USA chant. The good news is GSP's next defense will be in Montreal and Im sure the crowd will be great.

Edit: Next defense will be Feb 3rd in Vegas. Rematch with Hughes in Montreal:)

mendozathejew

11-21-2006, 08:27 PM

pride just has to restructure its business, they still paid obcene money to fedor to fight coleman. cro cop pulled out because of the way they pay for the gp. the finalists dont get extra money, cro cop protested and they gave in and paid.

mendozathejew

11-21-2006, 08:36 PM

At a press conference today, Pride General Manager Nobuhiko Takada announced that Pride Heavyweight Champion Fedor Emelianenko will defend his title against Mark Hunt at Pride’s Shockwave show on New Year's Eve.

This match-up is the first confirmed fight for Pride’s most highly anticipated event of the year. Fedor is coming off of a win over Mark Coleman at Pride 32: The Real Deal, while Hunt looks to rebound from a loss to Josh Barnett at the second round of Pride's Open Weight Grand Prix. Fedor is the #1 Heavyweight in the MMAWeekly Rankings, while Hunt is the #9 Heavyweight.

Previously, Pride announced a list of fighters who may participate at Shockwave:

-Mauricio “Shogun” Rua
-Kazuyuki Fujita
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
-Josh Barnett
-Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic
-Wanderlei Silva
-Hidehiko Yoshida
-Takanori Gomi
-Dan Henderson

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2975&zoneid=2

Kid Brock

11-21-2006, 08:39 PM

Larz

11-21-2006, 09:00 PM

Same Mark Hunt from K1? I know there is a lot of Pride/K1 crossover but I give him 0% chance of even scratching Fedor.

Yeah Hunt is that oddball kickboxer.

Fucking hell... I really thought the UFC would try to sign hunt to at least make the HW division somewhat respectable.

So now... no Wanderlei Sliva for LHW after ortiz cause he had to open his big mouth, and he passes up hunt for HW. Dana white is an ass, he's too focused on marketable personalities rather than top talent. Hopefully fighters like Anderson Silva will break the UFC golden boy mentality.

mendozathejew

11-21-2006, 09:36 PM

hunts been fighting with pride for a while now. he got a questionable decision of wanderlei years ago. it was only in the last year and a half or so that hunt jumped full time to mma in pride.

its an interesting matchup. hunt has one of the best chins ever. with a free swinger like fedor it should be entertaining. a better matchup cant happen because cro cop has a foot injury and isnt 100%, and barnett has had an extremely busy year- had two tough fights in one night in the GP and took a whooping from cro cop in the final, and then had a grueling fight in prides US show less than 2 months later.

av8rOC

11-21-2006, 10:47 PM

Yeah Hunt is that oddball kickboxer.

Fucking hell... I really thought the UFC would try to sign hunt to at least make the HW division somewhat respectable.

So now... no Wanderlei Sliva for LHW after ortiz cause he had to open his big mouth, and he passes up hunt for HW. Dana white is an ass, he's too focused on marketable personalities rather than top talent. Hopefully fighters like Anderson Silva will break the UFC golden boy mentality.

Between Brandon Vera and all the rumours of signing Aleks E. the UFC hw division is looking up

Larz

11-21-2006, 11:52 PM

What do you guys think about LHW after Ortiz? If theres no W. Silva or Cop would they do something ridiculous like throw Rashad evans in? If dana has any balls he'd bring in someone like Rua.

mendozathejew

11-22-2006, 02:59 AM

I would love to see a vid cap of the second groin shot when you can see GSP's toes landing right on his sac. They do where cups, so I wonder how much is actually felt.
hughes said the second didnt hit his balls, and it hurt his leg alot which is why he reacted strongly. but heres the caps

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1601/mhgsp1smallpq2.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6523/mhgsp2smallzo8.jpg

mendozathejew

11-22-2006, 03:02 AM

I have a bunch of Pride fights in my library, Fedor i know will eat Silvia for breakfast but I've never seen the brother to be honest. Does that site have any of his fights you'd reccomend?

Im a dumbass, i told you to download fedors brothers fights. probably because his brother aleks has been rumored to be coming to the UFC I suggested a fight of his.

fedor has only lost by a cut from an illegal blow early in his career.

mendozathejew

11-22-2006, 03:46 AM

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3489/fedorcracksnogpa1.gifhttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8088/fedordropsnogdc5.gifhttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6831/fedornogbw6.gif

Palerider4146

11-22-2006, 08:37 AM

Thanks Jew, if that is the case, that it didnt hit him in the balls, Hughes is lucky the fight didnt end there. It was close enough for him to use it as an exuse, and I dont blame him, sometimes you need to do anything to retain your belt.

Personally, even though Matt has gotten on my nerves a bit with his gamesmanship, I would still like to see him regain the title and then retire. It started to get tough watching Couture trying to regain his belt at 42 just to get demolished by Chuck. He should have went up to HW and taken on Sylvia instead.

Cromwell

11-22-2006, 08:43 AM

Couture should have went up to HW and taken on Sylvia instead.

Interesting idea, Pale. I'll bet he could do it now.

Thanks for all the 'caps and gifs, Mendoza.

Good stuff

av8rOC

11-22-2006, 10:42 AM

hughes said the second didnt hit his balls, and it hurt his leg alot which is why he reacted strongly. but heres the caps

I have to give credit to Matt. I was so fed up with his cockyness and Jock attitute, especially after his win over Penn. I couldnt wait for GSP to dismantle him and shut him up.

Matt has been nothing but complimentary after his loss. He said those low blows didnt affect the outcome at all and that Georges was simply the better fighter that night. He could have easily made excuses, but he didnt. Glad to see Matt acting like a true champ again.

Cybouncer

11-22-2006, 11:51 AM

I was actually kind of surprised about that. I didn't really expect Matt to make excuses but I didn't expect him to be so gracious in defeat.

I can't wait for 12/30, I just wish they would come back to the East coast.

av8rOC

11-22-2006, 11:55 AM

Standby

11-22-2006, 12:37 PM

I'm just happy that my boy Brandon Vera came out of the Mir fight looking astounding. Sadly, while I wanted Monson to win the belt, the height difference really was the crippling factor. Sylvia's sprawl was way too spread out to maintain a single or double leg.

Vera however has that knockout ability, and definitely could be a great face for UFC if he beats Sylvia. I really have never seen anyone so disliked as Tim Sylvia. He wears the US flag, the man could shit apple pies and be a direct descendant to George Washington and still he couldn't get over...

Cybouncer

11-22-2006, 02:19 PM

Montreal is east coast.

just sayin:icon_mrgr

Well, it would be if it wasn't "Land Locked". :action-sm

There were UFC events in the not so distant past @ Foxwoods, the Meadowlands, Atlantic City, etc. I would love to see one of those big ticket fights.

The Last UFC event I went to was UFC 32 when Tito Beat the piss out of Elvis Sinosic.

One of my favorite fight cards ever too!

Lightweight Bout: Tony DeSouza vs. Paul Rodriguez
DeSouza wins by submission (choke) at 1:05 of the first round.

Heavyweight Bout: Ricco Rodriguez vs. Andrei Arlovski
Rodriguez wins by TKO (referee stoppage due to strikes) at 1:23 of the third round.

Light Heavyweight Bout: Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Yuki Kondo
Matyushenko wins by unanimous decision at 15:00.

Lightweight Bout: Caol Uno vs. Fabiano Iha
Uno wins by TKO (referee stoppag due to strikes) at 1:48 of the first round.

Welterweight Bout: Pat Miletich vs. Shonie Carter
Miletich wins by KO (kick) at 2:42 of the second round.

Heavyweight Bout: Josh Barnett vs. Semmy Schilt
Barnett wins by submission (armbar) at 4:21 of the first round.

Lightweight Bout: B.J. Penn vs. Din Thomas
Penn wins by TKO (referee stoppage due to strikes) at 2:42 of the first round.

Light Heavyweight Championship Bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Elvis Sinosic
Ortiz wins the new UFC Light Heavyweight Championship by TKO (referee stoppage due to strikes) at 3:32 of the first round.

Standby

11-22-2006, 02:43 PM

Well, it would be if it wasn't "Land Locked". :action-sm

There were UFC events in the not so distant past @ Foxwoods, the Meadowlands, Atlantic City, etc. I would love to see one of those big ticket fights.

The Last UFC event I went to was UFC 32 when Tito Beat the piss out of Elvis Sinosic.

One of my favorite fight cards ever too!

Lightweight Bout: Tony DeSouza vs. Paul Rodriguez
DeSouza wins by submission (choke) at 1:05 of the first round.

The guy from the Laugh Factory? Nice!

Yeah dude I was at that show too with my dad. I wish there was another show back in Jersey (uh whoa whoa whoa)...

Cybouncer

11-22-2006, 05:47 PM

Yeah dude I was at that show too with my dad. I

Holy crap I'm getting old...:icon_frow

av8rOC

11-23-2006, 09:46 AM

Wow nice card. I am from Long Island and have several hard core mma fans I am friends with back home. We always say next UFC in the Tri-state area we are going to go. At least have an ultimate fight night or something.

mendozathejew

11-26-2006, 06:04 AM

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8172/slampage2jjlc0.gif

mendozathejew

11-26-2006, 06:29 AM

had flu like symptoms all week, spent worthless time looking for mma gifs, figured Id share. rampage's slam on arona has to be the best slam ever, then rampage vs silva staredown
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8172/slampage2jjlc0.gif
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9995/rampagevsarona10jp9okvf7.gifhttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5246/a41qvxs3.gif

mendozathejew

11-26-2006, 06:56 AM

some cro cop
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/638/crocop9rc11pu0.gifhttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8034/crocophunt1uy9.gifhttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/651/mirkofilopivicwanderleikc5.gifhttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5594/crocopvsbarnetkick0zbyy8.gif

mendozathejew

11-27-2006, 07:14 AM

more violent goodness. mark hunt knocking jerome lebanner unconcious
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/1081418JLB20gets20KTFO20by20Hunt-O_.gifhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/1084867JLB20gets20KTFO_1.gif
hunt lebanner 2
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/LeBannervsHunt2.gif

mendozathejew

11-27-2006, 07:21 AM

some boxing
top 5 alltime fighthttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/8419390681.gifjames toney clowning holyfieldhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/toneyzs6.gifhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/28622120410.gifhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/peterwilliamscy2.gifthe last 2 were damn near beheadings

Larz

11-27-2006, 05:58 PM

good stuff. How about Silva turning Franklin's nose into mush?

mendozathejew

11-27-2006, 07:55 PM

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/4198605_SilvaFryklund.gifhttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/Silva-knee_Franklin-nose.gif

mendozathejew

11-27-2006, 07:58 PM

you can save any of these to your desktop, especially if any run slow save the pic and then open it

Larz

11-28-2006, 09:01 AM

Bwaahhhahah... the clinch of death. think I just found my sig.

urine sampler

11-28-2006, 04:43 PM

those are great its too bad my computer is a piece of shit an it takes forever just to view this page

Cromwell

11-30-2006, 03:20 PM

Thanks for the cool gifs, Mendoza. Those are some "sweet science" hits

Oh, and a big shoutout to PaleRider - it was nice meeting both you *and* Joe Rogan today.

Rogan was awesome on "his" show today. Hey guys - we got a pretty good MMA radio show today (right up there with Chuck Lidell's appearance)

locallounge

12-05-2006, 03:33 PM

Official: Monson vs Fedor, March 3rd, BodogFights

http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3296

“It’s a done deal. It looks like I will be fighting Fedor March 3rd in Russia” says Jeff Monson on the phone with InsideFighting early this week.

And with those words from Jeff Monson, the rumored fight with number one ranked heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko, is officially not just a rumor anymore.

While InsideFighting has not yet been able to get an official word from Emelianenko, and while it is impossible to guarantee that even the best laid plans will ultimately go through in any case, Monson is the first party involved in this situation to go on the record and confirm his intention to participate in a Bodog Fight super fight with Emelianenko in March, and his statement goes a long way towards providing a degree of certainty that the fight will indeed happen.

While Emelianenko is set to participate on Pride’s Shockwave New Year’s Eve card in Japan, InsideFighting does not know the details of his contract beyond that. But Monson says that his status with the UFC, where just last month he fought for the heavyweight title against Tim Sylvia and where he had fights remaining on his contract, is no longer such that it would prevent him from fighting for Bodog Fight against Emelianenko.

“My manager approached Bodog about fighting Fedor. We asked the UFC if we could get out of our contract because there was an opportunity to do this. Now we are out of it” he says.

But Monson denies that his departure from the UFC is an acrimonious one, and seems optimistic about returning to challenge for championship gold with the organization again.

“The UFC can’t lose. If I win they can say ‘here’s this guy who lost to Tim Sylvia, our champion, and he just beat the number one guy in the world’.

“I mean, what were they going to do with me now? Have me fight a few more guys and work towards another title shot? This is a good opportunity for me, and if I win, it would be a quick way back to another title shot in the UFC” says Monson.

Founded by billionaire Calvin Ayre, Bodog Entertainment Group is the force behind Bodog Fight, and is presumably a well-funded one. But Monson says that money wasn’t the biggest factor in his seeking out the fight with Emelianenko.

“They offered a pretty good sum, but it’s mostly about the opportunity to fight Fedor. It’s a good opportunity for me” Monson says.

But after going 5 championship rounds before losing a decision to Tim Sylvia not a full month ago on November 18th at UFC 65, does Monson feel healthy enough to begin training again, and when will that training begin for the fight in March?

“I’m a little banged up. I’ll begin training in two weeks. I’ll get into an actual training camp after New Year’s” he says.

Larz

12-05-2006, 05:52 PM

Official: Monson vs Fedor, March 3rd, BodogFights

I don't understand the point of this promotion. Just a total waste of time.

mendozathejew

12-05-2006, 07:24 PM

av8rOC

12-05-2006, 08:39 PM

I could definitely be wrong but I dont see it happening personally. might just be fedor gaining leverage for a new contract with pride.

also there are reports that Cro cop has been offered a contract by the UFC. tim sylvias legs will never work the same if cro cop makes the move. Im not gona be surprised if none of these transactions take place

cautiously optimistic is good with the UFC. still you have to think they are raking in gobs of money right now and Dana knows how pathetic the HW division is. I wouldnt be surprised to see Alexs or Mirko.
I know Pride is well funded but they STILL havent found a tv deal so money must be an issue. You know Fedor is going to take a boatload to resign.

Boratfan

12-06-2006, 01:10 AM

I think Dana just needs to sign 5-7 guys for the LHW and HW divisions and everything will be fine. Dana got lucky with the Tough Enough series because he was able to find some quality LW and MW fighters who are all very talented might eventually hold a title(Florian, Sanchez, Swick, Grove , Herman, Stevenson, Koscheck, ECT ECT). I'd love to see Josh Barnett back in UFC.. He would destroy Sylvia.

Larz

12-06-2006, 08:46 AM

I think Dana just needs to sign 5-7 guys for the LHW and HW divisions and everything will be fine.

I agree. After Liddell Stomps Ortiz the LHW roster will be devoid of contenders, Dana is gonna have to cough up some dough. My guess is he's waiting till after the next UFC PPV. If by some miracle Otiz pulls it out, then he can hold off recruiting fighters, you get a rematch at LHW and theres still Silvia vs. Vera at HW.

locallounge

12-08-2006, 04:29 AM

I don't understand the point of this promotion. Just a total waste of time.

I am of the idea that more MMA is better. Plus, the landscape of MMA may be changing, with the WFA possibly going under, and with rumors of Pride being sold to WWE or UFC.
Bodog has already said they plan to offer Fedor a long term contract, after his next and final fight is up with Pride. They have the financial backing, and with Pride possibly going away, Bodog could be the UFCs next toughest competition.

mendozathejew

12-08-2006, 04:53 AM

k1 heroes is actually bigger than pride. if pride does go under, ufc and k1 heroes will pick up the free agents, as well as smaller orgs

I'll believe fedor signs long term with bodog when I see it. Im not convinced hes even gona fight the 1 fight in march. pride is either going to sell and the new owners willdo just fine, or they recover on their own and do just fine, or its gona completely fold. its gona be interesting no matter what happens

the one thing Id be afraid of is mma becoming completely splintered like boxing. any fight game in my opinion is open to the same weaknesses that boxing is. its just the nature of the beast. boxing promoters are already jumping in the mix, showtime just made a deal with gary shaw whos a big time boxing promoter. boxing promoters and dana white arent much different, if at all imo

Cromwell

12-08-2006, 08:53 AM

he was able to find some quality LW and MW fighters who are all very talented might eventually hold a title(Florian, Sanchez, Swick, Grove , Herman, Stevenson, Koscheck, ECT ECT).

I think Kendall Grove deserves a mention with that pack as well.

pride is either going to sell and the new owners willdo just fine, or they recover on their own and do just fine, or its gona completely fold. its gona be interesting no matter what happens

Speaking of Pride - Fox Sports Net is showing some Pride fights this Sunday night at 9pm. Wanderlei Silva is one of the fighers, against some Japanese tank who's name I forget. I'll definitely watch that.

Boratfan

12-08-2006, 12:57 PM

Hey Crom, I mentioned Grove in there. I think he has tremendous potential.. with his size and striking ability(his submissions are pretty good too) hes a potential champion. I have no idea how he pulls off being SIX FOOT SIX and being 185 pounds... he must have to cut weight like crazy pre fight.

Cromwell

12-08-2006, 06:42 PM

Hey Crom, I mentioned Grove in there.

You're right, dude - I missed it the first time.

I think he has tremendous potential.. with his size and striking ability(his submissions are pretty good too) hes a potential champion. I have no idea how he pulls off being SIX FOOT SIX and being 185 pounds... he must have to cut weight like crazy pre fight.

He's just a big, lanky skinny dude with deceptive power - and like you said, extremely fine-tuned ju-jitsu.

So - what does everyone make of this Diego Sanchez v. Joe (Diesel) Riggs coming up next week?

Larz

12-09-2006, 04:53 AM

Sanchez has amazing cardio and is squirelly as hell making him tough to submit. I don't think Riggs has the striking for an early KO. Another grinder for Sanchez, just has to make it past round 1.

Boratfan

12-09-2006, 11:20 PM

I think Riggs makes alot more sense fighting in the MW division.. less competition and more of a chance at the MW title. The WW division is soo stacked and even though he is a top 10 WW, he is in the bottom tier(roaming around with the Nick Diaz's of the world).

Cromwell

12-10-2006, 11:00 AM

I agree with you both. Sanchez - on paper - looks to win this next match. However, Riggs *does* have good skills and is a very powerful striker. If Diego is taking him ever so lightly (instead fantasizing about how he is going to beat GSP and win the title) than Riggs *could* rock him.

Either way, I'm looking forward to some good fights on *free* tv this Wed. :icon_mrgr

Who else is on the card?

av8rOC

12-10-2006, 11:58 AM

Sanchez will easily walk through Riggs, but I am looking foward to it nonetheless. I am also looking forward to the next title contender matchup @ 170, hopefully Sanchez vs. Penn.

av8rOC

12-10-2006, 08:32 PM

Apparently Cro-Cop will be making a big announcement in the next few days regarding whether or not he will resign with Pride or accept an offer from the UFC.

God I would love to see him kick Tim's legs off, but at the same time I want to see Fedor Cro-Cop 2.

Boratfan

12-10-2006, 11:08 PM

I just watched Pride on FSN, they put a good show together to showcase their top talent. It featured the Silva/Chonan fight where Silva got pwned with the flying heel kick. The show also featured Cro Cop, Fedor, Wandi Silva, and Quinton Jackson.

Changing subjects... On Weds the UFC card is going to feature Josh Koscheck, Shonie Carter, Karo Parisyan, and Jorge Santiago. Not bad for a free show. I see Sanchez beating Riggs.. but you never know because Riggs has great knockout ability.

Cromwell

12-11-2006, 10:52 AM

Hey, check it out.

Yahoo is featuring MMA at the moment:

http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/25/fight_club

This particular page has heavy emphasis on Renzo Gracie. I saw that IFL match where he beat Pat Militech. Three cheers for the "old guys" :icon_cool

Gotti420

12-11-2006, 08:39 PM

mendozathejew

12-12-2006, 02:36 AM

another article
Sources close to the situation told MMAWeekly.com that Quinton Jackson and Heath Herring are two of the fighters that are part of the deal and will soon be fighting in the UFC. Comments from UFC President and Zuffa co-owner Dana White would seem to support that information, “Zuffa is committed to giving our fans the best fights between the best fighters in the world. This acquisition helps us continue fulfilling that goal… bringing the WFA fighters into the Zuffa family is the best thing that could happen for the fighters – and for the fans.” A rematch between Jackson and UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Chuck Liddell has been a highly anticipated request by fans for some time and Herring would help bolster a lacking UFC heavyweight division.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3084&zoneid=2

rampage will bring a ton of entertainment. he gave liddell a whooping 3 years ago, liddells probably improved more than quinton though, so the rematch will be great if/when it happens. and herring is a decent hw as well

Boratfan

12-12-2006, 12:24 PM

I just got season 1 of TUF and i've watched about 3/4 the season, wow has this show been entertaining. I honestly think I can fight better then Josh Rafferty. His match with Diego was the most pathetic display of fighting i have ever seen. I have NO idea how this kid made the show.

Cromwell

12-12-2006, 01:55 PM

it looks like the UFC bought at least part of the WFA.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3959

Now we'll finally get to see Chuck-Rampage II.

It doesn't say which fighters the UFC picked up but the WFA also has Matt Lindland, Razor Rob, and Heath Herring among others that I guess the UFC can choose from.

This is great news.

Will we finally get to see Linland fight someone from the UFC now?

Psyched for tomorrow's fights:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/EMAIL_TOMORROW_TOP.jpg

Palerider4146

12-12-2006, 07:17 PM

Hey folks, looking forward to tomorrow night. My picks are Diego in a close match. I always like watching Karo fight, even if his standup is as sloppy as a retarded MMA'er. Kos will also win by ground and pound stoppage and Shonie will get KOd. Just my thoughts.

So being without a computer for a while, I have apparently missed some big MMA news. Sounds like the UFC has made a big move, buying out the local competition, I just hope they take care of the fighters so that these guys stay in the UFC. Any word about Cro Cop or Fedors little brother yet?

mendozathejew

12-13-2006, 02:41 AM

it would be insane if cro cop signing with the ufc is announced wednesday night at fight night. not sure how realistic that is but it would be interesting.

Fedor stated in no uncertain terms that he isnt leaving pride, and the fight for bodog in march is just a one time thing. and cro cop wants to fight fedor, so Im guessing he stays with pride.

but we've got enough fun ahead with rampage in the ufc now.

locallounge

12-13-2006, 03:32 AM

UFC in SYNDICATION!!! With the purchase of the WEC and remnants of the WFA, and now this...the UFC has officially taken over. Do not expect Pride to last much longer, which is sad. Rumor is UFC has even worked out a deal for Japanese TV.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3090&zoneid=2

The UFC is expanding into the syndicated television market and has reached a deal with Trifecta Entertainment & Media to launch a weekly syndicated TV show in the fall of 2007.

Hosted by UFC color commentator and Inside the UFC host Joe Rogan, the new show will be called UFC Wired and will air in syndication on local TV networks throughout the United States starting at the beginning of the 2007-2008 TV season.

The format of the hour-long weekly series is tentatively planned to be a mixture of UFC Unleashed and Inside the UFC. Advertising will be sold in the weekend syndication market, meaning that the show will air on Saturday or Sunday, depending on your local market.

UFC Wired will be the first syndicated show that Trifecta Entertainment & Media has distributed since the company was founded in 2005 by former MGM Entertainment President Hank Cohen.

Cohen said in a press release, "When we formed Trifecta, we agreed it was a priority to identify a high-profile property before launching our syndication business and, without a doubt, UFC Wired is that property."

Trifecta's initial committment to UFC Wired is a 22-episode order.

Given the weak ratings of the current crop of first-run syndicated weekly TV shows in the young male demographics that form the UFC's target audience, it's conceivable that UFC Wired could become one of the highest-rated weekly syndicated shows on all of television in the young male demographics. The current leaders in the 18-to-34-year-old male demographic among first-run, non-scripted weekly syndicated shows are Maximum Exposure, The Chris Matthews Show, and Ebert & Roeper.

The UFC's expansion into the syndicated TV market comes on the heels of several other expansion initiatives, which include buying the WEC, buying selected assets of the WFA, and reportedly entering into negotiations to buy Pride Fighting Championships (although Pride has publicly denied those reports). The news also comes mere weeks after the launch of a new, magazine-style weekly series on Spike TV called Inside the UFC.

Cromwell

12-13-2006, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the news, locallounge.

More MMA = better.

Larz

12-13-2006, 04:30 PM

Glad to see the UFC making some aggressive moves. Acquiring more fighters and more TV exposure should make 2007 a good year (although the syndication company seems a bit rinky dink to me). Hopefully Dana brings in some big name advertisers so the fighters can get some real sponorship $$$.

Hey grats to our boy Joe Rogan on the new gig!

mendozathejew

12-13-2006, 09:40 PM

someone from cro cops camp says hes chosen to sign with ufc
sherdog.com

maybe they will announce it tonight, if this is true

Larz

12-13-2006, 10:20 PM

If its true I hope Vera drops down to LHW. Sylvia just wet himself I think. Poor Pat Miletich.

mendozathejew

12-13-2006, 10:46 PM

yeah vera is a young solid fighter, and he could take a beating from cro cop where he could never be the same afterwards, physically and mentally. not a wise decision at this stage in his career to be in any position where a fight with cro cop is possible

Larz

12-13-2006, 11:12 PM

Ok this is bs, we have to sit through GSP vs. Serra for the next title fight?

urine sampler

12-14-2006, 11:36 AM

There were some really good fights last night between Fickett and Joslin,althou they lost I dont know who inpressed me more and who would of thought Diego would ko Riggs.

d0uche_n0zzle

12-14-2006, 11:38 AM

That was a huge upset, props to Diego.

Overall, it was a very good night of fights.

Larz

12-14-2006, 01:03 PM

More of an embarassment for Riggs. When you get KOed by a wrestler in round 1 in the WW division something is very wrong.

One thing it did point out though was the weakness of the WW class in terms of strikers. Other than GSP theres really no one that can really throw down, its all grapplers.

Hughes, Sanchez, Penn, Koschek, Parysian and Serra (meh)... these are the top WW contenders and they're all grapplers.

Then you get... I dunno Melvin Guillard? He looked good in his last couple of fights but they weren't top level opponents.

I know grappling is more effective at lower weight classes since theres less KO power, but they need to find some strikers.

Gotti420

12-14-2006, 01:35 PM

with the exception of the Koscheck fight I thought they were all pretty good.

DoughBoy

12-14-2006, 01:43 PM

I can't say that it was an embarassment for Riggs. He got caught on the button then blasted with a knee in the face. Shit happens and everyone gets caught with a shot sometime...

I would have liked to see how the fight would have went, but that's for another time, another place.

Does anyone have any information/links to Kurt Pellegrino's fights?

Larz

12-14-2006, 02:47 PM

Any MMA predictions for 2007?

Mine= Iceman vs. Rampage 2 will be the most entertaining fight of the year (if the UFC has some balls).

Cromwell

12-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Ok this is bs, we have to sit through GSP vs. Serra for the next title fight?

Yeah. That was the "promise" of the TUF 4 competition. Same for Travis Luter - that's who Anderson Silva has to fight next.

I wish they would hurry up and get these fights over with already.

There were some really good fights last night between Fickett and Joslin,althou they lost I dont know who inpressed me more and who would of thought Diego would ko Riggs.

Diego's ko of Riggs *was* impressive. And now Sanchez is calling Matt Hughes out. I guess because he knows GSP has to take Serra next, then Hughes is who he sees as his next opponent. But - does Hughes see it that way?

Check out Sanchez post-fight video at UFC.com He calls Hughes out at the end.

I thought the Parisyan-Fickett fight was the best. They both cut each other's face up pretty bad. Karo's standup was a lot better than I thought it would be. He's got quick, accurate hands.

There's another post-fight video clip at UFC.com of Kocheck being interviewed by Mike Swick. At the end of that Kocheck says he wants GSP next!

Its funny that no one is even mentioning Shonie Carter here. That Irish dude totally dominated him. Time for Shonie to find a new career. Its all downhill from here.

Boratfan

12-14-2006, 04:11 PM

Shonie has had a very up and down experience with the UFC. He's been similar to joe riggs except that shonie is 10 years older and doesnt have much upside anymore.

BTW- Marcus Davis looked really good but also fought a little bit tentatively.. I guess he was scared that Shone was gonna pull something out of his ass and knock him out.

mendozathejew

12-14-2006, 07:12 PM

Any MMA predictions for 2007?

Mine= Iceman vs. Rampage 2 will be the most entertaining fight of the year (if the UFC has some balls).

I think liddell is better than rampage right now...but I have a feeling quinton just has liddells number. liddell is probably the better overall fighter but rampage wins again, same fashion as the first fight.

av8rOC

12-14-2006, 09:16 PM

Sanchez will easily walk through Riggs, but I am looking foward to it nonetheless. I am also looking forward to the next title contender matchup @ 170, hopefully Sanchez vs. Penn.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g80/Joshsnuts/tard.jpg

mendozathejew

12-21-2006, 12:27 AM

rampage in the ufc will be fun. heres a recent interview
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6479/a41qvbm5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

What’s new?
The UFC bought me like a runaway slave. I’m single again and ready to mingle again. Wassup baby. Back in training and have some new tricks! I got a brand new flip for some of you young punks! Keeping it grimy……ugly.

How do you feel about being in the UFC?
I like it so far…I haven’t step in the cage yet, I like the notion. The UFC is putting people out of business and that’s the business! Dana its good to be white is making some good moves and his best move is hiring me. I’m gonna try to get the job done.

What do you think about with a possible rematch with Chuck?
I’m glad you asked this question. For all you fans who read this quit asking me this question. If the money is right all fight a sick cat with six legs. I don’t know when I going to re-match Chuck, I don’t even know who I’m fighting next. So get off my back alright!!!! I want to re-match people that beat me! I want Marvin Eastman, I want Wanderlei Silva three –four times, I want Shogun I even want the old ass Sakuraba! And his do boy Matsui. Tell Dana to hook me up with some these guys. If I have to fight Chuck to fight some of these guy’s, so be it. I’ll break the ice. But Chuck has to get passed Tito first. Tito the bobble head of the UFC!!! He might take Chuck this time.

Would you fight Tito then?
No

Why?
Ask Pat Millitich if he would fight Matt Hughes. Why would you fight your training partner. Your Friend. Besides I might break my hand on his giant head. I don’t want to do that.

If you could fight any one, who would be?
John Cena. Why he stealing my chain? What’s up with that? Tell him to fight me – the looser has to stop using the chain. I know he like to Rap, tell him to wrap his mouth around some tic-tacks. Stinky ass breath.

What do you think of the UFC heavyweights?
They big as hell. If Tim Sylvia wasn’t there I think I would do good. His breath might knock me out. He look like a giant gizmo from the gremlins. And Brandon Vera’s my homeboy but Brandon’s all bizzness. I rather cut weight and stay at 205.

Any last words.

Happy and Merry Christmas! Don’t be haters! Jesus is the reason for the season!

http://www.throwdownfightgear.com/1_tdnews.html

inbred

12-21-2006, 05:23 AM

hey guys, I'm looking for the video clip of Aleksander Emelianko and James Thompson (Colossus) in a Pride match. Humorous staredown then an 11 second knockout by Aleksander. Used to have it, now I can't find it. Searching here or anywhere else on the net has left me with nothing.

Help. Please. Thanks.

mendozathejew

12-21-2006, 06:29 AM

ive got it, its not a big file, whats the best way to send it.

the staredown is hilarious, but the ring annoucner intros are even funnier. thompson is banging his fists together and grinding his teeth trying to look fierce, and aleks rolls his eyes and acts like its all a waste of his time, which it was.

Cybouncer

12-21-2006, 09:21 AM

I can't fucking stand Rampage.

I would love to see a rematch with Chuck but I have to agree with him that it will only happen if the money is right and I think it will take A SHITLOAD of money for it to be "Right"...

Cromwell

12-21-2006, 04:27 PM

rampage in the ufc will be fun. heres a recent interview

If you could fight any one, who would be?
John Cena. Why he stealing my chain? What’s up with that? Tell him to fight me – the looser has to stop using the chain. I know he like to Rap, tell him to wrap his mouth around some tic-tacks. Stinky ass breath.

What do you think of the UFC heavyweights?
They big as hell. If Tim Sylvia wasn’t there I think I would do good. His breath might knock me out. He look like a giant gizmo from the gremlins.

This is actually some pretty funny stuff :icon_mrgr

I'm with CyBouncer though - I still want to see Chuck slap him silly. :icon_cool

av8rOC

12-21-2006, 04:42 PM

This is actually some pretty funny stuff :icon_mrgr

I'm with CyBouncer though - I still want to see Chuck slap him silly. :icon_cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOGIFFs85E

Cromwell

12-21-2006, 05:51 PM

That's a good clip, av8roc. Anybody can get beat.

What was the date of that fight?

Chuck looked completely gassed there at the end. How many rounds did it go?

Rampage really used his knees well.

Looking forward to seeing what he does in the UFC in 2007.

inbred

12-21-2006, 06:26 PM

Not sure of the date, pretty sure it was like 4 years ago at least.

mendozathejew

12-21-2006, 08:05 PM

thats the last time chuck fought a striker. rampage isnt even a striker hes a wrestler, but thats the last time chuck fought someone who has striking skills.

chuck has already proved he can defeat very good grapplers, at some point dana has to put him in with fellow strikers.

av8rOC

12-21-2006, 09:17 PM

That was from Prides LHW Grand Prix in 2003.

Palerider4146

12-22-2006, 10:35 AM

So here is my take on MMA as of late. The UFC has the opportunity to take MMA to the top, and be the supreme mainstream combat sport, but to do so, they need to attract the Pride HWs. Personally I love watching the WWs, MWs and LHWs more, but HW fights have always been a big draw. If they were able to get Cro Cop, who would kill all the UFC HWs except for maybe Vera, along with some others, it would help legitamize the division. Does anyone think it's possibile to attract Fedor and his brother if the money was right?

There has also been some rumblings about a HBO deal, but not for the UFC, but there new subsidiary WEC, which I dont know much about. I read somewhere that because of the UFC's spike deal, that they may not be able to go on HBO. That's to bad, not that Spike has done a bad job with the UFC, but more people know the HBO name than they do Spike.

Cromwell

12-22-2006, 11:25 AM

That was from Prides LHW Grand Prix in 2003.

So - that fight was sandwiched between his November 2002 TKO of Babalu and his June 2003 decision loss to Couture? Or was it after that? Right before he TKO'd Tito at UFC 47 in April of '04?

thats the last time chuck fought a striker. rampage isnt even a striker hes a wrestler, but thats the last time chuck fought someone who has striking skills.

chuck has already proved he can defeat very good grapplers, at some point dana has to put him in with fellow strikers.

Isn't Tito considered a "striker"?

There has also been some rumblings about a HBO deal, but not for the UFC, but there new subsidiary WEC, which I dont know much about.

Yeah, I just read about WEC for the first time yesterday. I was wondering why it was being mentioned in UFC articles.

I read somewhere that because of the UFC's spike deal, that they may not be able to go on HBO. That's to bad, not that Spike has done a bad job with the UFC, but more people know the HBO name than they do Spike.

Yeah, but Spike is on "free" cable TV and HBO is a premium you-have-to-pay extra for it channel.

I would think they'd get more overall exposure on there.

Palerider4146

12-22-2006, 12:16 PM

Hey Cromwell what's doing, I've been working like crazy and have not been near a computer in weeks. I'll be back in the mix after the holidays.

Cromwell

12-22-2006, 01:17 PM

Hey Cromwell what's doing, I've been working like crazy and have not been near a computer in weeks. I'll be back in the mix after the holidays.

Cool beans. Looking forward to it.

Here's a Christmas card for ya:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/XMAS_BLAST_TOP.jpg

Cybouncer

12-22-2006, 05:12 PM

Isn't Tito considered a "striker"?

Yes and no. I think he's more of a wrestler than a striker but his ground and pound are kind of a hybrid.

That won't matter with Chuck though because I don't think I have ever seen Chuck on his back.

In order for Tito to win, he will have to win the stand up...

mendozathejew

12-22-2006, 09:46 PM

nah ground and pounders are not strikers. muy thai/kickboxing and brawlers like leben

chucks been taken down, hes got this crazy ability no one else seems to have where he has the guy in guard, and he moves backwards and upwards until hes standing. its really impressive. in both his fights in pride he got taken down and got up from his back, those are two interesting and tough fights. overeem gave him a tough fight but chuck pulled it out with a great ko then he lost to rampage

mendozathejew

12-22-2006, 10:01 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OC0Klkx_KUE

a prettty good pride highlight video of their most violent KOs, a nice chuck ko and rampage getting kod for you jackson haters, some good stuff worth watching the whole 7 minutes

Boratfan

12-23-2006, 12:27 AM

Tito is considered to be a "submissions fighter" but all in all he's a well rounded fighter who brings a little of everything to the table. I can't wait to see Michael Bisbing fight Eric Shaeffer.. I think his striking ability is amazing and seems to have a good all around game. He's only 27.. has never lost an MMA fight(he hasn't just fought scrubs either)... and seems to bring something new to fight everytime out. I believe he is a future champion. If Matt Hamill could ever learn a few subs and work on his standup some more.. he will be a force to be reckon with(AMAZING strength to go along with his worldclass wrestling ability). I see the LHW division getting better and better.

Cybouncer

12-23-2006, 12:56 PM

I really like Bisbing.

I think he could be a great fighter.

Gotti420

12-23-2006, 01:49 PM

saw this on Sherdog today.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=6398

The Feb. show is looking pretty good with a WW and MW title fight and now Rampage's UFC debut.

inbred

12-24-2006, 05:19 PM

Mendoza-sent you a PM RE: Colossus/Emelianko fight video.

mendozathejew

12-25-2006, 04:57 AM

oh yeah Ive got to sift through some cds Ive got it somewhere. its not a big file but its too big to email, I think I'll host it on one of them sites, and if anyone else wants to download the mpeg they could do so.

mendozathejew

12-26-2006, 07:51 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wm1rdEH-wcY

ref cam for shogun vs arona, pretty cool

Boratfan

12-26-2006, 09:29 PM

Im gonna watch the UFC event this sat night at either McCanns out in massapequa or at Champs out in Rockville Centre. If any wackbaggers wanna check it out with me.. send me a PM. Should be an awesome event.

mendozathejew

12-28-2006, 01:56 AM

Breaking News: "Cro Cop" to Fight in UFC

The Ultimate Fighting Championship is expected to introduce Croatian heavyweight Mirko Filipovic (Pictures) as its newest acquisition during the Dec. 30 UFC 66 pay-per-view card, Sherdog.com learned Wednesday afternoon.

A star in the competitive PRIDE Fighting Championships' heavyweight division from Nov. 2001 through Sept. 2006 — when "Cro Cop" captured PRIDE's Open-Weight Grand Prix crown — Filipovic is slated to make his Octagon debut against Southern California's Eddie Sanchez, a source close to Sanchez said.

Widely recognized as the best heavyweight mixed martial artist in the world behind Russian Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), "Cro Cop" has amassed in impressive 21-4-2 record, including recent triumphs over Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) and Josh Barnett (Pictures) in the GP to cap off his Fighter of the Year-caliber performance.

Undefeated in six fights, Sanchez made his UFC debut on short notice as part of the Hughes-Penn II undercard and stopped Mario Neto. The heavyweight's other contests, all of which he won before the bell, took place in King of the Cage and Total Combat
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=6424

Cromwell

12-28-2006, 11:30 AM

Thanks for all the links, news and answers, people.

There's some good free tv stuff on Spike this weekend - starting tonight:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/66_BLAST_TOP.gif

Good stuff.

Gotti420

12-28-2006, 06:40 PM

Cro Cop's first fight is rumored to be in Feb. at 67. This is shaping up tp be a great card with the debut of Cro Cop and Rampage as well as 2 title fights.

here's another link with a bit more info
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3183&zoneid=13

Kid Brock

12-28-2006, 06:44 PM

Just scored my seats to UFC 66. It will be my 7th live event of 2006. It was a very good year of MMA watching for me.

Gotti420

12-28-2006, 06:47 PM

it also looks like the UFC scored the HBO deal and found a TV outlet for the WEC shows

here's the link http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=3186&z=13

Cromwell

12-29-2006, 04:14 PM

The All-Access feature on Chuck's house and training regimen was great!

Did anyone else see it?

Not to be missed.

It re airs tonight.

12/29 9:00PM ET
UFC® Unleashed™

12/29 10:00PM ET
UFC® Live and Inside™

12/29 10:30PM ET
UFC® 66 All Access™Chuck Liddell Re-air

12/29 11:00PM ET
UFC® Unleashed™

Any predictions on the fights?

Besides Griffin-Jardine, the next best match of the night could be Jason MacDonald v. Chris Leben.

Oh, yeah - Rachael Leah is hot :icon_mrgr

http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=B6D89077-1422-0E8C-9AF454B819F51778.jpg&rs=100&q=75&x=0&y=0&w=&h=&ro=0

Cromwell

12-29-2006, 04:59 PM

Double post (the time to edit the previous one passed)

Just ran across this article:

UFC calls off fight in Montreal
NEIL DAVIDSON

Canadian Press

LAS VEGAS — A UFC card planned for April in Montreal has been called off, according to UFC president Dana White.

White had told reporters earlier this month in San Diego that the mixed martial arts circuit would make its Canadian debut at the Bell Center on April 7 with Montreal native and newly crowned welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre taking on former title-holder Matt Hughes in a 170-pound rubber match.

On Thursday, White said the Montreal card was off.

"Fell apart, unfortunately," White said. "There were a lot of different things that made that fight fall apart.

"I'm trying to regroup right now and figure out when we go to Canada."

He said the UFC still hopes to get to Canada in 2007. But it also has it eyes set on England and Mexico, in addition to a full U.S. schedule.

Montreal remains the likeliest Canadian destination. St. Pierre would be a good draw there and mixed martial arts is not sanctioned in Ontario.

White, meanwhile, confirmed Hughes will fight in March in Ohio, although no opponent has been chosen as of yet.

The Ohio card, believed to be destined for Columbus, is expected to be UFC 67 and showcase former middleweight champion Rich Franklin. The Cincinnati native is looking to return to the ring after losing his 185-pound title to Brazil's Anderson Silva in October.

St. Pierre stripped Hughes of his championship belt in dominant fashion Nov. 18 in Sacramento, scoring a second-round technical knockout to avenge a submission loss to the American in October 2004.

The 25-year-old St. Pierre is set to make his first title defence in Las Vegas on Feb. 3 against Matt Serra, the winner of Season 4 of The Ultimate Fighter reality TV show.

****
I wonder who Hughes will fight in March? Its gotta be Sanchez, right? Or - will they give Penn another shot?

highfive

12-31-2006, 02:12 AM

not a bad night of fights......the feb. 3rd card should not be a ppv. I know they promised the winners of TUF a shot at the title but both of Sera and Lutter are going to get their asses kicked.

mendozathejew

12-31-2006, 04:45 AM

not a bad night of fights......the feb. 3rd card should not be a ppv. I know they promised the winners of TUF a shot at the title but both of Sera and Lutter are going to get their asses kicked.

youre crazy, its the debut of rampage and cro cop

highfive

12-31-2006, 10:11 AM

youre crazy, its the debut of rampage and cro cop
Agreed that is going to be fun to watch and it is great for the UFC. Them bringing in Cro Cop is HUGE. However allowing these two clowns a title shot was a mistake. Serra vs St. Pierre????? No one can possibly have any interest in seeing them fight. Unless, you were annoyed by Serra and want to see him get murdered.

mendozathejew

12-31-2006, 05:03 PM

good point sir good point

neither guy has a shot in hell, it is a waste of time.

sniper

12-31-2006, 05:59 PM

Mirko Cro Cop = Fucking Frightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A3ox1PhiLE&mode=related&search=
there's tons more too. I can't wait to watch this monster in the UFC, i think him vs Lidell would be a great fight, finally a striker worth a salt, although I was extremely impressed by Bisbing last night.

Cromwell

12-31-2006, 07:17 PM

Mirko Cro Cop = Fucking Frightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A3ox1PhiLE&mode=related&search=

Yeah, He levels the much heavier Aleksander with that high leg kick to the head. Nothing drops an opponent faster than when you connect with one of those. Just ask Matt Hughes. Its the same kick GSP delivered.

I also like the way Cro-cop countered against the fatter guy trying to use his weight all over him. The lighting quick strikes.

there's tons more too.

Yeah - like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=

He can't do the same thing against brother Fedor. Cro-cop is backing up for most of the fight - he does go on an offensive flurry at one point. But Fedor's ability to take him down is amazing. He just reaches down and catches a leg when they are in the clinch. Cro-cop does bloody Fedor with a straight left (him being a southpaw gives him that advantage). But Fedor stuff that same kick throughout the fight.

A good fight, but a solid decision in favor of Fedor.

I can't wait to watch this monster in the UFC, i think him vs Lidell would be a great fight

He seems heavier than Lidell.

finally a striker worth a salt, although I was extremely impressed by Bisbing last night.

I thought Arlovski proved something last night as well.

But the biggest shock for me was Jason MacDonald choking out Leben!

This MacDonald guy is for real.

urine sampler

01-02-2007, 01:55 AM

Nice to see some hw talent comming in Im really hopeing he knocks the big retard out .Anyway it would be a better fight for him at 205

mendozathejew

01-02-2007, 06:51 AM

Anyway it would be a better fight for him at 205
cro cop?

novalia

01-02-2007, 11:09 AM

good point sir good point

neither guy has a shot in hell, it is a waste of time.

its not as much a waste of time as you might imagine.. they're making the sport more mainstream by attracting girlfriends and housewives.. they dont know who is best or worst but they do remember "that guy from the TV show"...

we were in vegas for 66 and my wife met Sera on a line to buy water and was talking to him for a few minutes.. she said he was really cool.. but she is a little more plugged in and realizes he has almost no shot.. but who knows....

but it isnt a waste of time.. it is helping to continue to build the foundation of the sport..... its all about pre-game hoopla to some fans... build the story.. then have the fight.. a fight without a storyline is meaningless to some chicks..

this past weekend i met chuck, dana, bisbing, andre, and the dean of mean!
they're all fucking cool ass regular humble guys... except dana.. he is a fucking rock star.

urine sampler

01-02-2007, 03:27 PM

cro cop?
yeah.Who do you think he matches up with better? Cro cop has got some crazy stand up so he would be good for either except Silvia so fucking big that it gives him such an advantage and chuck fights with his armes wide an down wich I forsee him eating a shin and im just tierd of Chuck walking throu people. lhw use to be the best now its like ok lets see how long it take chuck to knock this guy out

mendozathejew

01-02-2007, 05:10 PM

cro cop would do the same thing to chuck he did to wanderlei, send him to the hospital.

urine sampler

01-02-2007, 06:39 PM

do you think he can beat silvia?

mendozathejew

01-02-2007, 06:50 PM

brutally. hes the 2nd best fighter in the world, the only person he cant beat is fedor.

and even against fedor he has a good shot

Gotti420

01-02-2007, 09:14 PM

it looks like the GSP fight is off the feb. card

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=4122

Cromwell

01-03-2007, 08:14 AM

Gotti420

01-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Yeah, I read that yesterday at the UFC fight.

GSP must really push it in training. Too bad about the injury. Now this completely screws up the Welterweight division.

Hughes is already scheduled to fight in March. It *has* to be Sanchez he's fighting. Can't wait to see that one.

Also - though Cro-cop is fearsome - is he a heavyweight or light heavyweight? Or, is he able to compete at either weight class.

Don't count out Arlovski either. He appears to be back with a vengance.

My guess is they'll push the GSP fight to 68 or 69. But 68 is about full with Sylvia, Hughes, and Franklin all rumored to be fighting.

Hughes will probably be facing Diego or maybe Karo and Sylvia will get either Vera, depending on his contract situation, or Arlovski.

Flea_Man

01-03-2007, 03:47 PM

Cro-cop is a mad man and will destroy the dreadful heavyweight division.

nice gif
http://star.walagata.com/w/scottnewman/vera_eilers.gif

highfive

01-03-2007, 05:32 PM

68 is shaping up to be a much better card than 67......the debuts in 67 are going to be a big draw however the matchups in 68 look to be better.

Cromwell

01-03-2007, 06:08 PM

the debuts in 67 are going to be a big draw however the matchups in 68 look to be better.

They haven't really said who's fighting who in 68, though. They've confirmed Silvia, Franklin and Hughes - but haven't said who they are fighting.

Here's something of interest:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=4120Ten Best – The Top UFC Submissions of 2006

av8rOC

01-03-2007, 06:16 PM

UFC 68: MARCH 3, 2007 IN COLUMBUS, OHIO (Nationwide Arena)

-Tim Sylvia (#5 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Brandon Vera [dependent on Vera's contract negotiations]
-Rich Franklin (#5 Middleweight)* vs. Jason MacDonald
-Matt Hughes (#2 Welterweight)* vs. TBA
-Karo Parisyan (#5 Welterweight)* vs. TBA
-Mike Swick vs. TBA
-Assuerio Silva vs. TBA

mendozathejew

01-03-2007, 06:44 PM

Arlovski has been swept by low kicks against cans. he doesnt have the reflexes to compete at cro cops level imo

Cromwell

01-04-2007, 01:52 PM

UFC 68: MARCH 3, 2007 IN COLUMBUS, OHIO (Nationwide Arena)

-Tim Sylvia (#5 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Brandon Vera [dependent on Vera's contract negotiations]

Is this a title fight?

-Rich Franklin (#5 Middleweight)* vs. Jason MacDonald

Oooh - that one looks good.

-Matt Hughes (#2 Welterweight)* vs. TBA
-Karo Parisyan (#5 Welterweight)* vs. TBA
-Mike Swick vs. TBA

Lets get these announced already.

-Assuerio Silva vs. TBA

Who cares.

Arlovski has been swept by low kicks against cans. he doesnt have the reflexes to compete at cro cops level imo

Well - that's "why they have the fights". I'd like to see it.

Hey Mendoza - do you have links to any decent clips of Heath Herring, Nogueira or Josh Barnett. Apparently, these guys are all better than the current UFC champ.

novalia

01-04-2007, 02:40 PM

herring i wouldnt so much call him better than UFC guys... he had his day BEFORE the big boys like Nogueira and Fedor appeared... he was quite the fan favorite in the day.. awsome interviews, wild haircuts, and deference to the awsome japanese crowds... but you wont find a talent in him that exceeds anything you've seen recently... he made his bones before Pride was Pride... he definitely cant hang now.. IMO.

novalia

01-04-2007, 02:41 PM

if you pick a few pride fights you might want to see i can rip them and burn them for you to check out.. i used to have a pretty decent collection on youtube but my account got banned for copyright infringement....

mendozathejew

01-04-2007, 06:54 PM

Hey Mendoza - do you have links to any decent clips of Heath Herring, Nogueira or Josh Barnett. Apparently, these guys are all better than the current UFC champ.

Ive got a bunch of fights with these guys. If I host them on megaupload or a similar site would u download them?

Ive got Nog vs Barnett 1. its as good a grappling match with heavyweights as you will ever see. they rematched sunday, I have not seen it yet.

Fedor destroyed both Herring in one of Fedors first pride matches. the doctors stopped it between rounds. Ive also got the highlight reals of the fedor vs nog fights. very impressive fights, nog has an IRON chin.

if your interested in downloading the file for your own I can upload them

mma weekly has their HW rankings as
1. fedor
2. cro cop
3. Nog
4. Barnett
5. sylvia

mendozathejew

01-04-2007, 07:15 PM

fedor vs herring http://youtube.com/watch?v=FmFNa2a0dYo

cro cop herring http://youtube.com/watch?v=x32u5yePimQ

Barnett vs Nastula http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7urnpM7ZLg

cro cop vs Barnett in the GP http://youtube.com/watch?v=JAEILOpre00
it was the finals of the open weight gp, cro cop had a much easier/shorter fight earlier in the night, barnett had a grueling match that went the distance

Im gona look for the link to download barnett nog 1. its worth the effort to download 2 of the top 5 heavies in a great match

mendozathejew

01-04-2007, 07:43 PM

Barnet vs Nog 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NZ9VFXVU
you need winamp to play it. its worth the two minutes to get it off download.com. also, you can only download 3 or 4 of these fights in one day. so get this one first is my suggestion.

fedors brother Aleks vs Kharitonov http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PRPGPAO2 brutal ending, worth the download

fedor vs randleman http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZC76JXCP
fedor cro cop http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F9ZKPCOL
fedor nog 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TM43I40B
fedor nog 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FDHUCDKD
fedor herring http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W86EVWO7

Gotti420

01-04-2007, 07:59 PM

Is this a title fight?

Oooh - that one looks good.

Lets get these announced already.

Who cares.

Well - that's "why they have the fights". I'd like to see it.

Hey Mendoza - do you have links to any decent clips of Heath Herring, Nogueira or Josh Barnett. Apparently, these guys are all better than the current UFC champ.

according to mmaweekly, which is usually a pretty good source, Sylvia will be fighting Gabriel Gonzaga instead of Vera and Matt Hughes will be fighting Chris Lytle.

It seems like the Vera fight fell apart because they could not negotiate a contract extension in time and the UFC won't give title shots to fighters with only one fight left on their contract. I guess with Cro Cop and Herring unavailable to fight that soon Gonzaga was next in line

I don't understand the Lytle fight either. If he couldn't finish Matt Serra how is he going to be any match for Matt Hughes

The Franklin fight is interesting though. If MacDonald wins this I say he's the #1 contender for sure

d0uche_n0zzle

01-04-2007, 08:17 PM

Cro cop looks like a serious problem.

novalia

01-05-2007, 10:11 AM

i saw a clip of the UFC guys doing some kickass photo shoot matrix style.. does anyone know if that was going to be a calendar or some maxim article?
next i need a 2007 calendar for work.. i want a ufc one but every search ends in the fight dates.. anyone?

Cybouncer

01-05-2007, 09:10 PM

mendozathejew

01-05-2007, 09:45 PM

Don't know if this one was posted yet or not but a great fight between Mirko and Fedor in August 05.

CRO COP/FEDOR (http://youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=)

I wonder if all the UFC haters still think the UFC is weak. Rampage & Cro Cop are HUGE additions!

yeah I agree. the whole ufc vs pride argument is really strange. I dont think those fans realize all they are rooting for is a business not fights and fighters.

I like both alot, I watch alot more UFC ppvs than Pride ppvs, Pride paperviews are really phenominal and worth every cent, but they are played on sundays in the US, the day after the show in japan.

Palerider4146

01-08-2007, 12:25 PM

Hey folks, well after the holidays being crazy just like they are for everyone, I figured I get back to the wackbag thing after the new years. Being out of NYC for the first time ever for new years (we were down at the in laws in Hotlanta, give me them ribs you.) I was all set to get back to my online life. One little problem, I decided that I needed to get this pesky little gall bladder out. Actually the surgeon said, ummm you need to get it out before loads of infection and blood spill into your abdomen.

Well I'm taking a few minutes of my day that I wont be stoned on percocet to say hi, and am looking forward to talking some MMA with you animals. The problem is right now with my narcotics ingestion, I will probably want to know who won the Dan Severn and Royce fight, or where I can get tickets to UFC 7 in East Buttfuck, MS., so I will wait until I'm back on my feet. I'll talk to you soon.

BTW, the wife and I are giving some serious consideration to moving down to Georgia, we just think our standard of living would be better down there. If anyone is from there and could give us pros/cons, it would be greatly appreciated. My inlaws are in Coweta county and would probably look to go there. Thanks again.

Cromwell

01-08-2007, 05:25 PM

Don't know if this one was posted yet or not but a great fight between Mirko and Fedor in August 05.

CRO COP/FEDOR (http://youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=)

Yeah, I posted it on the previous page. Wrote this along with it:

Yeah - like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=

He can't do the same thing against brother Fedor. Cro-cop is backing up for most of the fight - he does go on an offensive flurry at one point. But Fedor's ability to take him down is amazing. He just reaches down and catches a leg when they are in the clinch. Cro-cop does bloody Fedor with a straight left (him being a southpaw gives him that advantage). But Fedor stuff that same kick throughout the fight.

A good fight, but a solid decision in favor of Fedor.

He seems heavier than Lidell.

Thanks for all the great fight links, Mendoza. That is some pretty serious stuff! Nice feature on Herring here:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=4159

i saw a clip of the UFC guys doing some kickass photo shoot matrix style.. does anyone know if that was going to be a calendar or some maxim article?

Yeah, they did a photoshoot for one of the mens magazines (can’t remember which one is was now). The photographer said he was trying to bring the feel of “fight club” to it.

I decided that I needed to get this pesky little gall bladder out. Actually the surgeon said, ummm you need to get it out before loads of infection and blood spill into your abdomen.

Geez, Pale - glad you got that taken care of. :rolleyes:

Palerider4146

01-09-2007, 09:53 AM

Hey Crom, thanks for your thoughts. I'm feeling much better. This is the most serious surgery since I had my tonsils taken out, so I'm not used to it. I really dont like being on the patient side of the stretcher.

BTW, does anyone have any confirmation about the HBO/UFC deal? I havnt seen anything on either of their websites. If this is true, this could be really huge for the UFC. Although more people get Spike, I would say more of the people who dont know the UFC know of HBO. It could be a good intro for a slew of new fans.

Larz

01-09-2007, 11:08 AM

The Franklin fight is interesting though. If MacDonald wins this I say he's the #1 contender for sure

I wasn't all that impressed with his fight vs Leben. He had a lot of trouble taking Leben down and was forced to stand with him for the vast majority of the fight. If it goes the same way with Franklin then he's gonna get punished.

On the flip side I think a lot of people are underestimating Lutter. He's got good takedowns and ground game. If he can keep silva tied up then who the fuck knows? Yes Silva is a beast on his feet with sick accuracy/technique but he doesn't have the anti-takedown defense of a Liddell or GSP. If the odds go really out of whack on this 1 I'm gonna put some money down for a shot in the dark. A submissions fighter has a much better shot at beating Silva than even a top striker like Franklin.

Boratfan

01-09-2007, 12:39 PM

i completely agree Larz.. but there is one thing that none of us are factoring in. Silva does have a black belt in BJJ but he really never has to use it because he prefers to rely on his sick muy thai skills. Other then the top 3 matches for UFC 67.. im really not lookin too forward to it. If they add another top quality match then it will be pretty good. CroCop/Rampage vs cans/hasbeens is fun but we need a little more then that since they canceled the GSP/Sera fight. I'd love to see Forrest take a quick rematch and destroy somebody.

av8rOC

01-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Couldnt disagree with you more about MacDonald. Im not saying he will beat Franklin but he walked through Leben and Ed Herman. This guys future is bright regardless of the outcome with Franklin.

Pale, yeah the HBO deal is confirmed for at least 4 shows in '07, possibly more if they are successfull.

Larz

01-09-2007, 03:57 PM

av8rOC

01-09-2007, 04:21 PM

dolphin cunt

01-09-2007, 09:22 PM

dolphin cunt

01-09-2007, 10:37 PM

Confirmed for march 3rd

Palerider4146

01-09-2007, 11:50 PM

Confirmed for march 3rd

Do we have any sources? Nothing on the UFC website. The only reason why I think this is at all possibile is because he will be on Rogans UFC inside show on Thurs night with a "huge announcement". I just dont want to see Randy being one of these guys who cant leave it behind. That being said, I'll take him in the second round GnP.

StickyKeyboard

01-09-2007, 11:50 PM

Anybody else catch this tonight? It was pretty good. Kind of surprised MSNBC would have a show like this.

"Warrior Nation" MMA series on MSNBC premieres January 9th
Press Release on December 20, 2006

MSNBC's "Warrior Nation," takes viewers inside the world of MMA, mixed martial arts, beginning January 9th at 10 p.m. ET. MMA, one of the fastest-growing sports in the nation, combines various fighting styles including wrestling, boxing, Tai Kwon Do, Karate and submission grappling. It's a "no-holds-barred" combat sport that has become a successful enterprise throughout the world and has been called "the next NASCAR." Each episode opens the door to the lives of fighters and the struggles that they endure in this popular sport. Veteran fighters, such as Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, fans favorites, including Urijah Faber, as well as up-and-coming fighters, are portrayed. The four-part series airs each week on consecutive Tuesdays, beginning January 9th at 10 p.m. ET. "Warrior Nation" is the first of two documentary series produced by 29 Stories LLC for MSNBC.

"'Warrior Nation' is not just about fighting," says Long-Form Programming Vice President Michael Rubin, "it's about a quickly growing American phenomenon; the millions of fans and tens of thousands of young athletes who gravitate to this new sport, hoping to springboard from obscurity to celebrity, using the most basic of tools--their bodies and fists."

Episode One, which airs January 9th at 10 and 11 p.m. ET, follows Urijah Faber and Enoch Wilson. 27-year-old Faber is the number one MMA fighter in his weight class in the nation and one of the best in the world. A college graduate, he fights and trains full-time, has 14 career wins and over $100,000 in prize money. Wilson, a 26-year-old high school drop-out and single dad with 8 career wins, works at a plastics factory to support his training and his 14-month-old daughter.

The Following Tuesday evening, January 16th, in episode two we meet Erin Toughill. At 29-years-old, she is one of the top women fighters in the world. Toughill's husband, Clark Bevans, a 32-year-old gym owner, also participates in MMA fighting. Together, they hope to become the first couple in the world to fight on the same night - and win.

Episode Three, airing January 23rd, unites two rivals for their second head-to-head fight. Gina Carrano and Elaina Maxwell meet at Strikeforce in San Jose, California. Carrano, the underdog, plans on repeating her previous win over Maxwell, but Maxwell, who has been training under Cung Le, the World Kickboxing Champion, expects to even the score. Nonetheless, both women won't take this fight lying down.

Airing January 30th, episode four dives deep into the organization of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC). The episode features two up-and-coming fighters, Steve Byrnes and Logan Clark, who have recently earned their first shot at fighting, as well as two celebrity veterans of the UFC, Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz. UFC President Dana White also explains his struggles and plans to Make MMA legal in all 50 states.

http://www.mmafighting.com/news/2006/warrior_nation_msnbc.html

mendozathejew

01-09-2007, 11:57 PM

Confirmed for march 3rd

thats a wierd development what do you all think? I guess its pretty clear randy wishing to rematch tito if he had the belt was just his first option in a comeback

but for the ufc, if randy wins, it puts them in a lose lose with cro cop. randy is either going to stun mirko, and pretty much wreck the cro cop takeover....or randy is going to get badly hurt by a high left kick. either way I dont think its good for ufc. maybe im wrong

Larz

01-10-2007, 03:42 AM

I disagree that the card is shit.

Cro-Cop's intro to the UFC: there is about 5 fighters in the world that dont look like "cans" compared to Mirko. Eddie Sanchez is a promising up and coming heavyweight with an undefeated record.

Rampage's intro: Marvin Eastman is no joke and beat the shit out of Rampage in his first pro fight. I would hardly call that a bad matchup.

Silva vs. Lutter: Silva is one of the best strikers in the world and I look forward to watching him fight anytime. He has been beaten by submission fighters in the past and Lutter's ju-jitsu is fantastic. A good matchup and shit...its Silva's first title defense, who do you want him to fight??

Those three fights alone are worth a PPV buy IMO. Bummed that GSP wont be on it sure but SHIT card? NO way.

Silva vs Lutter: I'll grant you that theres really no one for Silva to fight at 185 other than a Franklin rematch. But seriously.. any real doubt about the outcome? I'd call this an exhibition fight.

Cop vs Eddie Sanchez: This guy is either insane or has a steel plated skull. Again.. another exhibition fight, possible murder.

So what we're really getting is Rampage vs Eastman as the de facto main event... but eastman has losses to Jason Lambert and Travis Lutter. Rampage has been fighting the best in the world and will take this 1.

Sure theres great fighters on the card, but are the fights going to be of any consequence? Not really.

Boratfan

01-10-2007, 11:49 AM

I'd personally love to see Swick against Silva... i guess UFC doesn't feel that he's ready yet.

Gotti420

01-10-2007, 02:29 PM

I really think Randy coming back to fight at heavyweight is a mistake. Sylvia has such a size advantage and Cro Cop is at the top of his game. I really don't see him winning either of these fights. At the same time, though, if he would drop to light heavyweight he faces the same problem with Chuck and Rampage.

He still has what it takes to be a top 5 fighter in either division and I'd love to see him return, but I don't think he'll take the title.

dolphin cunt

01-10-2007, 02:59 PM

Do we have any sources? Nothing on the UFC website. The only reason why I think this is at all possibile is because he will be on Rogans UFC inside show on Thurs night with a "huge announcement". I just dont want to see Randy being one of these guys who cant leave it behind. That being said, I'll take him in the second round GnP.

They announced it live last night on mma weekly radio and it is also posted on there web site the ufc website is always a few days behind

Larz

01-10-2007, 05:50 PM

I'd personally love to see Swick against Silva... i guess UFC doesn't feel that he's ready yet.

Swick is gonna get a shot this year for sure after Silva-Franklin rematch. I really wish they would bring David Loiseau back.

Kid Brock

01-10-2007, 07:31 PM

Do we have any sources? Nothing on the UFC website. The only reason why I think this is at all possibile is because he will be on Rogans UFC inside show on Thurs night with a "huge announcement". I just dont want to see Randy being one of these guys who cant leave it behind. That being said, I'll take him in the second round GnP.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3251&zoneid=2

av8rOC

01-11-2007, 10:05 AM

I'd personally love to see Swick against Silva... i guess UFC doesn't feel that he's ready yet.

Agreed, Swick is the best contender at this point... Unless Macdonald can beat Franklin.

mendozathejew

01-11-2007, 07:37 PM

theyve got Lindland after buying the wfa. hes ranked as #1 by mmaweekly at 185

av8rOC

01-11-2007, 07:57 PM

theyve got Lindland after buying the wfa. hes ranked as #1 by mmaweekly at 185

No, they don't have Lindland..he was not under contract with the WFA when the UFC took over so he has no obligations to them...bummer.

mendozathejew

01-11-2007, 09:20 PM

damn I didnt know that, that sucks

Gotti420

01-11-2007, 10:04 PM

Agreed, Swick is the best contender at this point... Unless Macdonald can beat Franklin.

well, Swick is fighting in March so if he wins he might get the next shot.

Kid Brock

01-11-2007, 10:06 PM

Just scored tix to my second live Pride event. *pats self on back*

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index_new_temp.php

mendozathejew

01-12-2007, 12:07 AM

Biggest MMA Rumor EVER. over at sherdog, a member who has started his own forum in the past, and has broke several huge stories like hughes vs royce, recently GSP pulling out of his next fight, and other stories has said on sherdog and his site that the UFC has purchased Pride.

supposedly, pride would be run exactly the same, only its ownership- Zuffa, would change. and there would be once or twice a year cross promotional shows where their fighters fight eachother.

In about 5 minutes the thread has almost 900 posts. this guy carries alot of weight over there and people seem to believe him

urine sampler

01-12-2007, 04:13 AM

[QUOTE=mendozathejew] the UFC has purchased Pride.
supposedly, pride would be run exactly the same, only its ownership- Zuffa, would change. and there would be once or twice a year cross promotional shows where their fighters fight eachother

That sucks there goes any chance of these guys ever making any real money

Larz

01-12-2007, 05:02 AM

supposedly, pride would be run exactly the same, only its ownership- Zuffa, would change. and there would be once or twice a year cross promotional shows where their fighters fight eachother.

If the rumor is true I don't buy this part. I just don't see them trying to maintain 2 separate promotions. Sure the Pride brand Dwarfs UFC in MMA outside the U.S. but it seems to me that they're using the WWF model of trying to dominate the MMA world.

I sort of thought Newscorp might snap up Pride seeing as how they were airing fights on Fox sports and have an established presence in Asia/Europe with satelite TV.

Well Silva has stated he wanted to fight Fedor... muahh hahah.

mendozathejew

01-12-2007, 06:02 AM

If the rumor is true I don't buy this part. I just don't see them trying to maintain 2 separate promotions..

maybe. but the only reason pride is in any financial trouble its because of its questionable ownership. being hooked up with the mob in japan is like being hooked up with hamas over here.

they wont get a new tv deal with the current ownership. other than that, they are still selling out 50K seat arenas along with ppv sales. if your zuffa, and you can get pride back on japan tv, why mess with whats works so well over there, and will make you constant money

but I agree with you it will be interesting to see how long dana can keep his hands out of prides day to day business and matchmaking. assuming this is for real

Rance

01-12-2007, 01:54 PM

Stupid screeners. I tried calling in today while they were talking about the UFC and the Kimbo-Gannon fight. Told them I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo-Gannon fight, and the kid just goes "So...?"

Pretty dumb on their part.

DoughBoy

01-12-2007, 01:56 PM

Rance

01-12-2007, 01:58 PM

http://myspace-908.vo.llnwd.net/01219/80/95/1219365908_l.jpg

Palerider4146

01-12-2007, 02:06 PM

Hmmmmmm, what's everyone think. It could be the heavy percocets I'm taking, but I say we believe him. Welcome Joe Rogan!!!

DoughBoy

01-12-2007, 02:09 PM

Hmmmmmm, what's everyone think. It could be the heavy percocets I'm taking, but I say we believe him. Welcome Joe Rogan!!!

That's fucking hillarious.

Palerider4146

01-12-2007, 02:11 PM

That's fucking hillarious.

Thank you doughboy, thank you. Again, I credit the percocets. It would be cool if he is a Lauzon, I liked that kids fight.

Rance

01-12-2007, 02:13 PM

I'm not cool enough yet to have impersonators. You have a myspace? I can send a friend request.

Palerider4146

01-12-2007, 02:15 PM

The way you kicked Jens ass, your cool enough for me. How long have you been a fan of the boys?

Just sent you a friend request on myspace. Welcome to wackbag bro.

I will be the first to nominate Lauzon as the official UFC fighter of Wackbag (yeah I know, he is the only one.)

DoughBoy

01-12-2007, 02:17 PM

What the hell are you doing in CO?

Palerider4146

01-12-2007, 02:19 PM

I missed the show today, why were the boys talking about the UFC?

Rance

01-12-2007, 02:31 PM

Just approved the friend request.

I started listening when O&A were on WBCN in Boston. I had just started getting into the show when they got kicked off. Then I heard they were going to be on XM, so I subscribed like the week before they started, and have been listening since. I have a long ass drive into work most days, so listening to the show and laughing my ass off certainly helps.

They started talking about the Porn Awards... then Jenna and Tito... then Chuck... then Kimbo and Gannon.

urine sampler

01-12-2007, 02:36 PM

If thats really you CONGRATS dude you will have been a part of the end of Jans Pulver after BJ wipes him out

Rance

01-12-2007, 02:38 PM

I highly doubt we will see them fight. Jens is a great guy too.... no need to trash him.

Cromwell

01-12-2007, 02:47 PM

I highly doubt we will see them fight. Jens is a great guy too.... no need to trash him.

What about Kenny Florian - you want to fight him? :icon_wink

Rance

01-12-2007, 02:53 PM

Not paricularly

urine sampler

01-12-2007, 02:56 PM

Jans an BJ are the new coaches for the TUF show and they are going to fight after its done.And I think the winner gets a shot at Sherk.Anyway really wasent trashing Pulver but you know how it is in the ufc after a couple of loses.

Cromwell

01-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Not paricularly

Don't blame ya. His elbows are viscious. :icon_mrgr

Who do you think would give you a harder time - Florian or Sherk?

Rance

01-12-2007, 03:08 PM

Its Jens, not Jans. And yea... I know how a few losses can really make your "worth" go down. They are coaches, but I still don't know if they will be fighting. I don't know for sure, but I have heard BJ has no interest in fighting at 155... so if it did happen, I think a fight at like 170 would be more likely.

Fighting Kenny or Sean would be very different fights. One wants to knock you out, while the other wants to punish you on the ground. Fighting either would not be a fun time.

Cromwell

01-12-2007, 03:13 PM

Fighting Kenny or Sean would be very different fights. One wants to knock you out, while the other wants to punish you on the ground. Fighting either would not be a fun time.

I'm sure you hope to develop and advance to the challenge.

That was a real war between the two of them. I thought the Ref allowed Sherk to "stall" too much, though. If it had been a Pride fight, they would have been stood up more often.

However, Kenny really couldn't stop Sean from taking him down.

But - he *did* already cut Sherk with a razor elbow, and chances are he could have done more damage with more standup.

Reading Florian's blogs at his own website, he was very disgusted with his own performance. Said he didn't wrestle up to the ability he thinks he can.

I'd like to see a rematch.

mendozathejew

01-12-2007, 04:22 PM

damn no one called up to tell them the baddest man on the planet is fedor emelianenko

Cybouncer

01-12-2007, 04:33 PM

damn no one called up to tell them the baddest man on the planet is fedor emelianenko

I was the first guy who called and said that Kimbo would have gotten killed in UFC. They probably wouldn't have known who Fedor was as they seemed to only know about UFC. I compared Kimbo to Tank Abbott.

It was a good call but after I went back and forth with Bobby, I was sitting there as they were talking and decided to punch out before I made an ass out of myself.:action-sm

mendozathejew

01-12-2007, 04:58 PM

I dont think UFC purchased pride. I guess time will tell what was beyond a rumor from a respected source. prides president came out today and said they havent been sold.

Im not sure that a US audience would have interest in a Nog vs Barnett 1 type fight. one of my favorite ufc fights was sanchez diaz. US fans boo that type of great grappling match more times than not.

but on the other hand, american fans love liddell, and as destructive as chuck is, its nothing compared to the capabilities of fedor and cro cop. so Id assume cro cop will and fedor could do very well in the US

Boratfan

01-12-2007, 09:32 PM

Hey Joe, I saw a tape of you fighting Menijvar from a couple of years back.. you caught a bad break but you put up a very solid effort. I see that your from Mass, have you ever trained with Delagrote/florian/El Conquistidor???

Rance

01-12-2007, 10:16 PM

Ivan fucked me up. Was my first fight with elbows, first fight at 145 too... caught me good with an elbow and knocked me silly.

Have not trained with Mark, Jorge or Kenny. Not yet at least.

mendozathejew

01-12-2007, 11:03 PM

Ivan fucked me up. Was my first fight with elbows, first fight at 145 too... caught me good with an elbow and knocked me silly.

Have not trained with Mark, Jorge or Kenny. Not yet at least.

who do you think is the best lightweight in the world, including kid, gomi sherk etc?

Rance

01-12-2007, 11:10 PM

I think Gomi... Kid might be he best skill wise, but he is too small for lightweight. Gomi has a head of concrete, crisp hands and knees, great wrestling... total package really.

locallounge

01-13-2007, 12:52 AM

Sylvia vs Couture: Confirmed for march 3rd

Randy will be an underdog, but he takes this fight, imo. Tim stalling for 5 rounds isn't gonna cut it. The fight will not go the distance.
Let's just hope severe ring rust has not kicked in. WAR COUTURE!!!

mendozathejew

01-13-2007, 01:57 AM

av8rOC

01-13-2007, 10:25 AM

Welcome Joe! That was one hell of an upset over Pulver and I know you fucked up Dana's plans for his big comeback. The TUF 5 coaching gig isnt nearly as compelling because no one believes he can match up against BJ. With that said Im sure he is a great coach for 155'ers.

Im wondering why we havent heard who you are facing next in the UFC? Joe Stevenson is fighting at 68 but no opponent yet, any chance of that?
Will you possibly be part of the WEC for a while? If so seems like a waste because you already made a name for yourself in the UFC.

Welcome to wackbag..

av8rOC

01-13-2007, 10:35 AM

hes been training and competed once for competitive grappling so hes not gona be very rusty on the ground.

Id like to see couture win, but a match with cro cop afterwards will either be an unbeliveable legendary win, or a frightning beating where he could get very hurt

It doesnt make any sense to me, for Couture at least. I can see Dana setting up the Cro-Cop takeover however.

Randy has nothing to prove and I know he has taken his fair shot at the 205 belt so HW is logical. The problem is Tim, as boring as he is can't be beat by a wrestler of Randys size. Tim's relationship with the fans is bad enough right now but beating perhaps the most beloved fighter in MMA is not going to help!

My guess is since Vera cant agree on a deal he will fight one last meaningless fight in the UFC. Tim bores Randy for 5 rounds and retains the belt. Mirko gets title shot after his first fight and destroys Tim. (nasty leg kicks, see Yoshida fight)

Now you have effectively introduced the clueless UFC audience to the best striker in the world. Anyone who takes out Tim...(the boring HW who beat up on the Natural)...will be an instant favorite.

Palerider4146

01-13-2007, 11:47 AM

Randy will be an underdog, but he takes this fight, imo. Tim stalling for 5 rounds isn't gonna cut it. The fight will not go the distance.
Let's just hope severe ring rust has not kicked in. WAR COUTURE!!!

Randy kind of called Tim out for being to cautious and conservative when Rogan interviewed him. He basically said, Hey Tim's my friend, but he needs to fight more aggressive. This could be a interesting fight. I would love to see that awkward giant get suplexed on to his mohawk.

To bad after that some time in July Randy will hear some Croatian accent asking, "Which way is norf", see a foot rising up to the right side of his head, and then wake up hearing Christmas music.

What is the deal with Vera. Averoc alluded to him not being able to cut a deal. He really deserves the next title shot. Anyone have any specifics?

av8rOC

01-13-2007, 01:57 PM

Randy kind of called Tim out for being to cautious and conservative when Rogan interviewed him. He basically said, Hey Tim's my friend, but he needs to fight more aggressive. This could be a interesting fight. I would love to see that awkward giant get suplexed on to his mohawk.

To bad after that some time in July Randy will hear some Croatian accent asking, "Which way is norf", see a foot rising up to the right side of his head, and then wake up hearing Christmas music.

What is the deal with Vera. Averoc alluded to him not being able to cut a deal. He really deserves the next title shot. Anyone have any specifics?

Vera wants too much money and the UFC wont give the signing bonus he wants. He has 1 fight left on his contract and the UFC will not give a title fight to a guy who could leave with the belt. You will see Vera fight some can several months from now....sucks cause Vera could take Tim and would be a great matchup with Cro-Cop.

I doubt you will ever see Randy vs Mirko. I hope not anyway. Randy wont get past Tim although he did sign a 4 fight deal.

Rance

01-13-2007, 09:36 PM

Nothing is in stone... when they need me, I will be there.

Larz

01-13-2007, 11:32 PM

I doubt you will ever see Randy vs Mirko. I hope not anyway. Randy wont get past Tim although he did sign a 4 fight deal.

I agree... Sylvia handled Monson with no problem. Its not gonna be much different with Randy. And with cop coming in theres absolutely no point in fucking around at HW.

Larz

01-13-2007, 11:49 PM

My guess is since Vera cant agree on a deal he will fight one last meaningless fight in the UFC. Tim bores Randy for 5 rounds and retains the belt. Mirko gets title shot after his first fight and destroys Tim. (nasty leg kicks, see Yoshida fight)

Now you have effectively introduced the clueless UFC audience to the best striker in the world. Anyone who takes out Tim...(the boring HW who beat up on the Natural)...will be an instant favorite.

Yeah it might actually be a real smart move for Vera to cool his heels for a while as Cop steamrolls the division. In the mean time he can screw around in the smaller promotions and pad his record until they bring him back for more money.

I'd really like to see him drop to 205 though and take the winner of Iceman-Rampage 2.

Cromwell

01-14-2007, 12:04 AM

Joe Stevenson is fighting at 68 but no opponent yet, any chance of that?

Nothing is in stone... when they need me, I will be there.

Interesting. Do you think you'll get called soon?

Here's what is happening real soon:

The Ultimate Fighting Championship returns to the Seminole Hard Rock Live Arena on Thursday, January 25th, with the latest edition of Spike TV’s UFC Fight Night, and the final four matches on the eight bout card have been officially confirmed.

In a lightweight bout with serious title implications, Hermes Franca will put his seven fight winning streak on the line against Spencer ‘The King’ Fisher.

“Spencer is a very tough, experienced fighter,” said Franca, whose last UFC win was a come from behind submission win over Jamie Varner last August. “He is one of the lightweight division’s best strikers as well. Like all the Miletich fighters, I expect Spencer to come into this fight in great shape and ready for a war. We both know that this is an opportunity for a title shot so I think the fans can expect a great fight from two very hungry fighters.”

Adds Fisher - who stopped Dan Lauzon in the first round at UFC 64 in October - “Hermes is one of the top guys in the lightweight division, so this will be my toughest fight in the UFC to date. But I’m fully expecting to win this fight.”

A lot of action in your weight class there, Joe.

In welterweight undercard bouts, “The People’s Warrior”, Josh Burkman, returns from an injury-induced layoff to face newcomer Chad Reiner, and two alumni from ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ square off when season four’s Rich Clementi takes on season three’s Ross Pointon.

Rounding out this card, which also features Rashad Evans vs Sean Salmon, Nate Marquardt vs Dean Lister, Heath Herring vs Jake O’Brien, and Ed Herman vs Chris Price, is a lightweight contest pitting veteran Din Thomas against Clay Guida.

UFC Fight Night airs live on Spike TV beginning at 8pm

Din Thomas, perhaps?

mendozathejew

01-14-2007, 04:46 AM

I think Gomi... Kid might be he best skill wise, but he is too small for lightweight. Gomi has a head of concrete, crisp hands and knees, great wrestling... total package really.

great chin cause of that huge mongolian head. the guy kinda looks like he should take the short bus
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1295/18723zc8.jpg

av8rOC

01-15-2007, 02:48 PM

God I would love to see BJ and Gomi fight again

mendozathejew

01-15-2007, 05:40 PM

yeah gomi is so much better now like rance said hes got great hands and knees now

that knockout of azeredo was one of the more brutal KOs ive seen including boxing

Cromwell

01-16-2007, 04:03 PM

yeah gomi is so much better now like rance said hes got great hands and knees now

that knockout of azeredo was one of the more brutal KOs ive seen including boxing

Any Gomi links, boys?

av8rOC

01-16-2007, 04:43 PM

Any Gomi links, boys?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5562223416302679962&q=takanori+gomi+hl&hl=en

av8rOC

01-16-2007, 05:08 PM

on the subject of HL's my two all time fav's

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showpost.php?p=12812932&postcount=1

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showpost.php?p=12812977&postcount=8

Gotti420

01-16-2007, 10:54 PM

the rumor on Sherdog is that after Pride's next Vegas show Gomi will be coming to the UFC as a sort of representative of Pride. This would be great if true, especially if he fought Penn.

av8rOC

01-16-2007, 11:06 PM

I read that but dont think it will happen. The UFC has nothing to gain by having a guy like Gomi come in and beat up Sherk or any other LW. At that Gomi has said before he couldnt make 155 so the fights would have to be at some catch weight and therefore have no real meaning.

mendozathejew

01-19-2007, 02:08 AM

dana white web chat highlights

Totall, it's my goal to acquire all the best fighters in the world and if things go my way, i will have them all by the end of year

we are working on that right now. I promise I will have the ESPN thing fixed this year (regarding espn coverage)

the WEC is going to be a standalone MMA company that is going to compete with the UFC...........as of now, there is no plan for cross promotion. but you never know down the road

I don't know who Crocop will fight in his second fight. He has to win first

I would love to have (wanderlei) silva in the UFC, it's always my goal to get the best fighters in the world to fight for us. hopefully we will see that fight in 2007

I wouldn't mind bringing Royce back for another shot.........we always want to put on the fights the fans want to see. i would love to bring Bas back

I see us GLOBAL ( in regards to ufc's future)

our DVD distributor sold their company, so it was a huge speed bump for our business. But we are getting back on track this year

as we bring in more talent it's going to be harder and harder for people to hold their belts. we will back to the east coast very soon

i want Fedor and everyone else in the UFC

Pride is our only real competitor

we will never bring back tournements

i hope so. i would love him to stay in the UFC (on brandon vera)

actually Matt Serra is fired up to fight GSP. He wants the fight very bad.....Serra vs. GSP will be in April

i think a lot of people are counting Jens out because of his loss. BJ and Jens are both emotional fighters and need to fight big names to get up for fights. i think Jens and BJ 2 is going to be an awesome fight.

In March. It had to be postponed because the athletic commission was messing with me for being too old and too little (on him boxing tito)

(in regards to rogan fighting snipes)Wesly snipes is going to jail for income tax evasion

the UFC in the UK will be the same quality you see here in the US. you will see all of the biggest stars fighting over there also

Diego Sanchez title shot- very soon

i would add knees to the head (if he could change one rule)

obviously we are out there acquiring other MMA companies right now and if Pride is for sale, I'm interested.

we are coming to Canada for sure. I'm not sure if it will be Toronto first

(asked Will you be better prepared next time you do an interview with an Sandbagger like Bill Oreilly)
there is a story behind that. i really can't talk about it publicly right now, but believe me, the minute i can, you guys will be the first to hear about it.

i talked to Kurt (angle) and he chose to wrestle instead of fighting for real

we are talking right now about doing a live fight on an aircraft carrier

Diego Sanchez, Michael Bisping, Rashad Evans are the future of UFC

(asked if octagon would ever have ropes) never. The cage is there for safety

Larz

01-19-2007, 06:11 AM

Some really interesting (if not downright odd) stuff in there. I don't see any action on Fedor... but looks like they're putting out feelers for Wanderlei now. Good find.

Palerider4146

01-19-2007, 09:40 AM

As long as the UFC takes care of their fighters, I'm all for it. I really think the Cro Cop move was huge. If they are able to move on Silva or more unlikely Fedor, Pride could be done at that point.

av8rOC

01-19-2007, 02:31 PM

Joe!!!!

I just read a rumour that you are one of the TUF5 contestants....makes sense that we havent heard about you since you dismantled Jens.

If true and you can comment on it how was it being coached on the guy you beat so easily?

Palerider4146

01-19-2007, 02:43 PM

Damn Av, you beat me to it, just saw that on sherdog. Any truth to this Rance? If so I'm thinking some show promotions on O and A could be in order.

The best post on this on sherdog I saw was something to the affect of "Shouldnt Joe be coaching and Jens be listening?"

BTW, considering how they are trying to build up the HWs again (cro cop, randy) what about a return for Ricco. He's been out for almost 4 years, with a few fights in smaller promos, last being this summer in the recently UFC acquired WFA. He was really out of shape for a while, but rumor has it has been working out hard. With the UFC blowing up, this could potentially be a big boost to his psyche, which supposedly was damaged enough to put him into depression after losing the title in '03.

He's still really young, 29, loaded with talent and potential, and is very marketable for the UFC. I could even see him being a coach on TUF given the right scenario. Any thoughts.

Palerider4146

01-19-2007, 02:44 PM

Hey Av, if it's true about Joe, we wont be seeing him on here for a while. I believe they start taping this weekend.

Cromwell

01-19-2007, 05:05 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5562223416302679962&q=takanori+gomi+hl&hl=en

Thanks.

That's a great clip.

I had to chuckle at the one where he continued to throttle his opponent, even after he had fallen halfway out of the ring. :icon_mrgr

The really early wrestling stuff was cool too.

I'd sure like to see him come into the UFC.

I read that but dont think it will happen. The UFC has nothing to gain by having a guy like Gomi come in and beat up Sherk or any other LW. At that Gomi has said before he couldnt make 155 so the fights would have to be at some catch weight and therefore have no real meaning.

Didn't they say they were going to move to introduce some new weightclasses? Something inbetween 155 and 170? Like a 162 lb weight class?

Then you'd see guys like Matt Serra, and Penn in there. Gomi could also probably make that weight.

Hey Av, if it's true about Joe, we wont be seeing him on here for a while. I believe they start taping this weekend.

Looks like we ain't gonna be seeing no 'Rance around here no more :rolleyes:

Cromwell

01-25-2007, 08:09 AM

Official Weights – UFC Fight Night – Seminole Hard Rock Live Arena – Hollywood, FL

Rashad Evans (205.5) vs Sean Salmon (206)
Heath Herring (250) vs Jake O’Brien (234.5)
Hermes Franca (155) vs Spencer Fisher (154.5)
Dean Lister (185) vs Nate Marquardt (185.5)
Chad Reiner (171) vs Josh Burkman (171)
Ed Herman (186) vs Chris Price (192)*
Clay Guida (154) vs Din Thomas (154.5)
Ross Pointon (168.5) vs Rich Clementi (169.5)

* Herman agreed to face Price despite the Indiana fighter being seven pounds over the middleweight limit of 185 pounds. When Price thanked Herman for still agreeing to fight, “Short Fuse” responded, “You weren’t getting off that easy.”

Standby

01-25-2007, 11:14 AM

Wow, what's that to say that I didn't realize there was a UFN until I read this... oof...

Cromwell

01-25-2007, 11:20 AM

Yeah, should be good. The price is right.

I'm curious to see how Ed Herman does. He had better put a win under his belt. He let the guy slide (even though he didn't make weight).

I want to see some kicking ass and some good submissions. :)

av8rOC

01-25-2007, 12:04 PM

Looking forward to the marquardt lister fight.

Boratfan

01-25-2007, 10:14 PM

WOW did that Herring/O'brien fight suck ass. Jake did the classic "Lay and Pray" and Heath just couldnt counter it. It kind reminded me of a josh koscheck fight. I was really dissappointed in Herring. Now we gotta sit through another lay and pray fighter in Rashad Evans.. grrrr... im pissed they arnt showing the lister/maquette fight.

Palerider4146

01-25-2007, 11:02 PM

Holy fucking head kick bat man. Nice Cro Cop impersonation by Evans. For a guy I couldnt stand on TUF, he has really been impressing me lately. That mother fucker was almost seizing in the octagon.

Not a good sign for that guy that he is still lying in the octagon after the Rogan interview. If you noticed, they didnt let any of Evans team in their with him and they didnt even come close to showing Salmon in any of the shots.

Did any one catch the Ricco Rodriguez remark. Rogan mentioned how it was much better for Evans to drop to LHW because he wouldnt have to face the giants like Imes. Goldberg then chimes in with "yeah he doesnt want to face those giants like Imes and Ricco Rodriguez" then made a joking comment that he was mistaken. Could me get another Team Punishment member back in the UFC?

Larz

01-25-2007, 11:33 PM

mendozathejew

01-25-2007, 11:47 PM

rampage is on Inside The UFC at midnight. should be an interesting interview with rogan

I found it interesting that rogan and goldberg mentioned Pride names of the Nog brothers and a few others. I guess dana white feels alot more confident in UFcs position than he did a year ago when rogan was only allowed to say "overseas" referrring to pride

Larz

01-26-2007, 01:39 AM

Was that clip the one of arona going for the armbar? It looked familiar but then they didn't show the slam.

mendozathejew

01-26-2007, 01:55 AM

nah it was wanderlei. in both fights rampage was in the guard and set himself up for the slam, and started to lift, and wanderlei would wisely leg go of his guard.

burky79

01-26-2007, 02:34 AM

that fight night was ok.
did salmon ever get up during the broadcast?
he was all kinds of fucked up.

watching the inside ufc on dvr right now.

btw, any WBers goin to UFC68 03/03/2007 Columbus, Ohio?
i live about 12 min away so i am goin .
but gonna prob get the cheapest seats i can.
if you're not ringside, no reason to pay for the floor.

mendozathejew

01-26-2007, 03:25 AM

av8rOC

01-26-2007, 09:33 AM

I'll give Evans credit for refusing to wrestle... he didn't even fake a shoot. the KO was obviously very nasty but I get the feeling they fed that Salman guy to Evans in order to pad his record for a Liddel fight down the line.

Herring is a punk big talker.

Salmon won the first round easy. Short of the knockout he was tooling on Rashad....out wrestling the wrestler.

av8rOC

01-26-2007, 09:48 AM

I would imagine the higher seats would be better than ringside seats. I cant imagine the octagon is great for watching events live.

it doesnt allow for the drama and vision a ring gives you
look at the scene of cro cop silva 2. its insanely dramatic.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8366/crocopwandysm9wy3.jpg

Agreed. From a ringside fan's perspective the ring is better but I much prefer to watch an MMA fight in a cage. I hate reposition time outs and I like seeing guys use the cage to their advantage.

Kid Brock

01-26-2007, 12:58 PM

I was kind of suprised to hear that Rampage is only 28. Seems like he has been fighting forever.

Palerider4146

01-27-2007, 10:27 AM

Hey MMA baggers, just got back from Georgia and watched the whole UFN on DVR, caught the last match down there.

Herring was a huge disappointment, but he even realized that. The best was Rogan blasting him the entire night about his JJ. He said at one point "if this was a jiu jitsu match, he'd be losing 100-0 by now". Unless this guy Irish was just that good of a wrestler, I dont know what happened.

Herman looked good, but it seemed he was given a guy to help his confidence, nice armbar though. He made him pay for coming in overweight.

I did not expect the Franca/Fisher to end like that. Franca has some heavy hands, but I thought Fisher being the technical better striker would take care of that. He was fing out on his feet.

And like I said before about Evans, he really fing impressed me. His game has greatly improved since TUF. I still dont know how his sub game is, but if he keeps knocking them out, no one will care, much like the LHW champ. Has Salmon awaken yet? It was said on sherdog that he woke up after 3 mins, and was carried out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital for observation.

Cromwell

01-29-2007, 11:44 AM

Salmon won the first round easy. Short of the knockout he was tooling on Rashad....out wrestling the wrestler.

Good point. Salmon was ahead on points (and like av8rOC said, clearly won the first round) - but hey - it ain't over till its over. That high-leg kick was straight out of the GSP book. You gotta give "Sugar" :rolleyes: Rashad credit - he's won every match put in front of him.

Herring was a huge disappointment, but he even realized that. The best was Rogan blasting him the entire night about his JJ. He said at one point "if this was a jiu jitsu match, he'd be losing 100-0 by now". Unless this guy Irish was just that good of a wrestler, I dont know what happened.

Herring looked like crap. He is an incomplete fighter. This is MMA, not boxing. This is exactly what Lidell said he'd do to Mike Tyson (or any other heavyweight boxer). He'd have them on the ground in a minute and completely dominate.

Herman looked good, but it seemed he was given a guy to help his confidence, nice armbar though. He made him pay for coming in overweight.

That was an excellent transition into that armbar. Extremely quick. He really showed off his ju-jitsu skills there.

I did not expect the Franca/Fisher to end like that. Franca has some heavy hands, but I thought Fisher being the technical better striker would take care of that. He was fing out on his feet.

Agreed. The beginning of the end was when Franca connected with a wild overhand right. You can't get punched in the face like that and expect to win.

And like I said before about Evans, he really fing impressed me. His game has greatly improved since TUF. I still dont know how his sub game is, but if he keeps knocking them out, no one will care, much like the LHW champ. Has Salmon awaken yet? It was said on sherdog that he woke up after 3 mins, and was carried out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital for observation.

This is what it says at UFC.com:

"Salmon was out before he hit the mat and he hit the canvas in a frightening manner. Referee Troy Waugh jumped in to halt the fight, and luckily, medical personnel were on the scene immediately after. After a few tense moments, Salmon was alert and speaking before being taken from the Octagon on a stretcher as a precautionary measure. He was sent to a local hospital, but is doing well and at press time is scheduled to be released."

av8rOC

01-29-2007, 12:38 PM

That high-leg kick was straight out of the GSP book. You gotta give "Sugar" Rashad credit - he's won every match put in front of him.

Wait till you see Cro-Cop this weekend.:icon_mrgr

Herring looked like crap. He is an incomplete fighter. This is MMA, not boxing. This is exactly what Lidell said he'd do to Mike Tyson (or any other heavyweight boxer). He'd have them on the ground in a minute and completely dominate.

Looked like crap, yes. Incomplete fighter, no. Rogan posted on the UG that he spoke with Herring the night of the fight at a restaurant and Heath explained that he had a torn MCL for the fight, hence the akward stance and inability to hold guard. He didnt tell anyone because he didnt want the fight cancelled and he didnt want to make excuses.
This guys has a proven record against the top talent in the world. He just had a bad night.

Standby

01-29-2007, 04:38 PM

This post is pretty worthless on the whole, but I just wanted to say that if your name is anything other than "Ray", you can NOT give yourself the nickname "Sugar".

As for UFN, I paid exactly what I should have for it. Nothing. Meh...

Cromwell

01-29-2007, 05:10 PM

Wait till you see Cro-Cop this weekend.:icon_mrgr

I've seen a lot of his fights on YouTube - and yes - his high-leg kick is lethal.

Heath explained that he had a torn MCL for the fight, hence the akward stance and inability to hold guard. He didnt tell anyone because he didnt want the fight cancelled and he didnt want to make excuses.

Fair enough - I didn't know about the injury. In that case, I give him credit for going through with the fight and not puss-ing out.

I just wanted to say that if your name is anything other than "Ray", you can NOT give yourself the nickname "Sugar".

I agree. The word sugar does not fit well up against Rashad. He should think of something else - something to put in the middle. Rashad The Rapier :icon_mrgr

As for UFN, I paid exactly what I should have for it. Nothing. Meh...

Yeah, the price was right - but it was worth a watch. The lighter weight fights were good.

On another note - does anybody know what's up with Mike Swick? Haven't heard anything about him in a while.

av8rOC

01-29-2007, 05:32 PM

Swick is next up for a title shot

Palerider4146

01-29-2007, 07:48 PM

Did any one catch the Ricco Rodriguez remark. Rogan mentioned how it was much better for Evans to drop to LHW because he wouldnt have to face the giants like Imes. Goldberg then chimes in with "yeah he doesnt want to face those giants like Imes and Ricco Rodriguez" then made a joking comment that he was mistaken. Could me get another Team Punishment member back in the UFC?

Hmmmmm, is it a bit precocious to quote myself, I think not. I will repost this since the thread has heated up again. Any thoughts on it folks.

BTW, where's Rance been, I bet he's a bit busy in Vegas is my thought. Good for him if it's true, how awesome it would be to try and get a WOW shirt on TUF.

av8rOC

01-29-2007, 08:22 PM

Hmmmmm, is it a bit precocious to quote myself, I think not. I will repost this since the thread has heated up again. Any thoughts on it folks.

BTW, where's Rance been, I bet he's a bit busy in Vegas is my thought. Good for him if it's true, how awesome it would be to try and get a WOW shirt on TUF.

At this point it seems like anyone is fair game for a UFC contract. The best one I have hear lately is Big Nog..how sick would that be!

Yeah Rance is one of the rumoured TUF 5'ers. I hope he does well, will be rooting for him.

Side note....anyone see the Odds for UFC 67? I have seen Mirko as high as -1600!

Palerider4146

01-29-2007, 08:33 PM

At this point it seems like anyone is fair game for a UFC contract. The best one I have hear lately is Big Nog..how sick would that be!

Yeah Rance is one of the rumoured TUF 5'ers. I hope he does well, will be rooting for him.

Side note....anyone see the Odds for UFC 67? I have seen Mirko as high as -1600!

Nog, damn, that would be another great coup. God damn, Zuffa seemed to loosen the purse strings a bit.

Not that I think that Cro Cop would put in a Herring performance, but imagine if he got beat somehow, with all the hype, that could be real interesting. But it is MMA and anything can happen.

mendozathejew

01-29-2007, 09:01 PM

herring is better than that. however, I cant see him doing any better against cro cop than he did years ago in pride.

cro cop nearly killed the guy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x32u5yePimQ

Boratfan

01-29-2007, 09:22 PM

mendozathejew

01-29-2007, 09:26 PM

check out fedor's student Kirill Sidelnikov. just stumbled upon this clip. very impressive abiliities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29d49TCjqa4

Larz

01-30-2007, 02:38 PM

Swick is supposed to fight at the UFC event in Ohio. That event is shaping up to be pretty awesome. The confirmed fights include Randy/Tim, Hughes/Lytle, and Babalu/Lambert. the rumored fights included Franklin/McDonald and Swick/Okami. Matt Hamill is supposed to be at this event too(I wanna see his improvement).

These are some lousy fights with the exception of Swick/Okami, and even in that 1 I'd give swick an edge. The outcomes for the rest are predictable. WTF is up with Joe Silva's matchmaking? It seems like they're holding back for some reason. Is anyone really interested in seeing Randy lose to the Tim the Mongoloid?? I'd rather watch him fight Glassjaw Arlovski again.

Larz

01-30-2007, 02:50 PM

check out fedor's student Kirill Sidelnikov. just stumbled upon this clip. very impressive abiliities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29d49TCjqa4

Woweee... was he also a samba wrestler? Fedor has unlocked some kind of secret for developing hand speed. This kid has the same speed/agression, totally set up the kick with the fast hands.

Flea_Man

01-30-2007, 03:50 PM

CroCop vs. Tim Slyvia

how fast in the first round does Tim Slyvia lose?

d0uche_n0zzle

01-30-2007, 03:59 PM

How high can cro cop throw that kick of his?

Cromwell

01-30-2007, 05:27 PM

Check out this clip

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=56478

White v. Tito - The match

White to take on Tito in late-January or early-February, as part of Tito's new contract.

Heh, heh. Dana says he's gonna beat Tito's ass :icon_mrgr

Oh, and there's more free MMA on TV tonight.

Warrior Nation - Ultimate Fight Night
On MNBC (Channel 23 on Long Island Cablevision)

Chuck & Tito are featured. Its new interviews and footage. Could be cool.

Save My Up's Dick

01-30-2007, 05:40 PM

Check out this clip

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=56478

White v. Tito - The match

White to take on Tito in late-January or early-February, as part of Tito's new contract.

Heh, heh. Dana says he's gonna beat Tito's ass :icon_mrgr

Oh, and there's more free MMA on TV tonight.

Warrior Nation - Ultimate Fight Night
On MSNBC (Channel 23 on Long Island Cablevision)

Chuck & Tito are featured. Its new interviews and footage. Could be cool.
Thanks Cromwell, also Spike has UFC 67 countdown at 11pm.

d0uche_n0zzle

01-30-2007, 05:52 PM

At least Dana didn't go all in and do a MMA match vs. Tito.

Larz

01-30-2007, 07:38 PM

This is the kind of nonsense that hurts the credibility of MMA. Way to go Dana "its good to be" White. Maybe they can turn it into a tag team match with Vince Macmahon and Hulk Hogan. Hulk could Suplex Dana through a stack of tables as the finisher.

askewcore

01-30-2007, 07:46 PM

Gotta love Jimmy throwing love Cro-Cop's way. He is gonna dominate.

Next we need Nogiuera to show up in America.

Barely Legal

01-30-2007, 07:49 PM

Gotta love Jimmy throwing love Cro-Cop's way. He is gonna dominate.

Next we need Nogiuera to show up in America.
I'm just glad to see the Pride FC fighters get the accolades they deserve.

askewcore

01-30-2007, 07:54 PM

I'm just glad to see the Pride FC fighters get the accolades they deserve.

Fuckin right. I really think most of the guys in Pride would shoot right to the top of UFC.

mendozathejew

01-30-2007, 09:03 PM

if you dont know much about mma, not even a casual fan, just an infrequent fan, Id have to think that youd be terrified after watching fedor and cro cop highlights reels

2 eastern european savages who fight with zero emotion.

Cromwell

01-31-2007, 02:07 PM

What the hell happened to the "Warrior Nation - Ultimate Fight Night" thing advertised last night? It wasn't on. Instead there was some Prison thing.

Larz

01-31-2007, 10:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2SqIkt0E7o

Genki Sudo 154lb vs. Butterbean its kinda funny

Palerider4146

01-31-2007, 10:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2SqIkt0E7o

Genki Sudo 154lb vs. Butterbean its kinda funny
That's one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of the Japanese MMA promotions, they to often try these freak matches and worked matches, using freaks and Pro Wrestlers. Granted they have a lot of great fighters, but things like Butterbean and Pro wrestlers and some of these other huge freaks ruin it for the real fighters. A guy like butterbean may have been ok back in the 90's for MMA, but for a sport that is fighting to get into the mainstream, things like that are shitty for the sport.That being said, how funny is it he launched himself into the ropes to deliver a drop kick.

Mud Duck

02-01-2007, 12:51 AM

How high can cro cop throw that kick of his?

Won't have to... Mirko's crippled fighters with liver kicks... Sylvia's got a big liver.

mendozathejew

02-01-2007, 05:15 AM

Larz

02-01-2007, 10:01 AM

That's one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of the Japanese MMA promotions, they to often try these freak matches and worked matches, using freaks and Pro Wrestlers.

I agree to a certain extent, but at the same time the UFC will never have Open Weight Grand Prix style events (some of the greatest matches of all time). As for Genki, probably the most entertaining fighter in MMA with real skills to boot. Beat the shit out of Royler Gracie among others. Sucks that he retired, the guy was fucking great to watch... especially when he attempts that jumping triangle choke.

Fredo Corleone

02-01-2007, 01:44 PM

cro cop is flexible enough to put his foot well past sylvias height. he knocked out fedors brother with the high left kick and hes 6'5

genki sudo is great. very entertaining, check out some of his highlight reels. sucks that he just retired

in a fight vs sylvia, i see cro cop adopting a plan like he did against yoshida: tons of low kicks, chop tim right down. only thing is he needs to watch out for tim's straight right counter.

Fredo Corleone

02-01-2007, 01:47 PM

Palerider4146

02-01-2007, 02:49 PM

I agree to a certain extent, but at the same time the UFC will never have Open Weight Grand Prix style events (some of the greatest matches of all time). As for Genki, probably the most entertaining fighter in MMA with real skills to boot. Beat the shit out of Royler Gracie among others. Sucks that he retired, the guy was fucking great to watch... especially when he attempts that jumping triangle choke.

What you mean is that they will never have an open weight tourney again... remember for at least the first 10 UFCs, that is exactly what it was. 150 pounders vs 250 pounders. Remember Hackney vs Yarborough? 400 pound difference there. It was good back in the day, a great way to start it off. But to legitamize and mainstream the sport, these rules really need to be put in place. Personally I would like to see the weight classes expanded to the way boxing is, with classes between LW and WW, WW and MW etc...Guys like Matt Serra and Joe Riggs would do much better with a situation like that. As more fighters enter the UFC (as long as they are quality fighters) this could be good for the sport.

Standby

02-01-2007, 03:31 PM

i have no problem with that. i hate tournaments where fighters need to fight twice in one night. i doesn't prove anything and it's dangerous for the fighters.

I'm a big fan of the tournament concept if it's done over the course of several PPVs with one round per PPV...

Bodizapha

02-01-2007, 04:47 PM

Swick is supposed to fight at the UFC event in Ohio. That event is shaping up to be pretty awesome. The confirmed fights include Randy/Tim, Hughes/Lytle, and Babalu/Lambert. the rumored fights included Franklin/McDonald and Swick/Okami. Matt Hamill is supposed to be at this event too(I wanna see his improvement).

Swick/Okami has been pushed back another month. Swick is from Houston so they are putting him up to fight in Texas. Also Okami and Caro Uno are training partners, Uno is rumored on the Texas card as well.

Fredo Corleone

02-01-2007, 06:11 PM

I'm a big fan of the tournament concept if it's done over the course of several PPVs with one round per PPV...

that, i don't mind, and i would actually love to see the ufc have one for the 170lbs division. the potential match ups make me a little hard.

parysian
sanchez
penn
hughes
gsp
koshcheck
diaz
serra

how's that for a 8 man tourny over 4 events?

Bodizapha

02-01-2007, 07:00 PM

Koshcheck and Sanchez are the future of the WW division. Hopefully they dont let those two meet up again for a while.

Fredo Corleone

02-01-2007, 07:11 PM

Koshcheck and Sanchez are the future of the WW division. Hopefully they dont let those two meet up again for a while.

gsp is only a few months older than diego (both 25) and koscheck is 29. bj penn is 28 too. i think penn is the best out of the group if he comes into a fight in shape and the freak injury doesn't happen (like against hughes).

mendozathejew

02-01-2007, 07:16 PM

dana white says no more tournies with multiple fights in one night. I cant complain about that. but it would be great to see a tournament spread out over a year.

couldnt agree more about bj penn. I think his skills are only comparable to fedor. I just hop ehe deosnt end up like James Toney in boxing- depriving himself of a legendary prime by refusing to do training properly.

Fredo Corleone

02-01-2007, 07:20 PM

Larz

02-02-2007, 12:20 AM

What you mean is that they will never have an open weight tourney again... .

Well yeah... the UFC of the past couple of years is completely different than the near NHB tourney days, part of the deal for getting sanctioned with the various state comissions was to institute weight classes... I don't see how Pride style OWGP hurts the legitimacy of MMA though.

mendozathejew

02-02-2007, 12:58 AM

Bodizapha

02-02-2007, 01:12 AM

I totally agree, Pride is bio-polar.

At time, the pinacle of everything MMA needs to be.
Then, they turn into a spectacle. K-1 is no better.

To referance the thread in the other forum, about Fedor. I concur as well. The only enemy i ever see stepping up to him is time, and age.

SnuggleBug

02-02-2007, 01:43 AM

probably a stupid question.....anyone in the south jersey/philly area know if comcast is showing UFC 67 in HD? I read that it was suppose to be in HD, but the comcast goofballs are telling me it's not. who do i believe???

Bodizapha

02-02-2007, 02:06 AM

They are not showing the fight in HD in Chicago either.

Dish people are the only ones guarenteed to have it in HD. Comcast seems to be doing it market by market.

Palerider4146

02-02-2007, 10:39 AM

I dont think the OWGP hurt the sport, it was basically a HW GP with the option for 205 guys to put on weight and give it a shot...which most of them talk about doing anyways, I like seeing who has the balls to try. all the pride GPs are great events, great ppv shows.

what pride does from time to time is the freak show matches. my favorite is fedor vs zulu. which is basically Fedor beating up patrice oneal. its hilarious. all 17 seconds of it. but I do see how its not particularly good for the integrity of the sport.
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2833/zuluik7.gif

I wouldnt mind a tourney as long as it wasnt a ridiculous one with LWs facing HWs like it used to be. If also should be done like the last one, fought with different rounds over a few months. The old UFC was fun for the time, but it needed to change. Otherwise you will have UFC 3s all over again with a Steve Jennum coming in to sub for a injured Royce (who probably wouldve won his 3rd UFC in a row) and winning the tourney with only one win in the finals.

Fredo Corleone

02-02-2007, 11:27 AM

we should probably stop annoying everyone and take it the mma thread:icon_mrgr
silva has underrated bjj. almost subbed fujita, beat up rampage from the guard making the KO possible.

and arona is far stronger than tito in grappling. check out their match at adcc. chuck beat overeem on wrestling- he was losing the standup, had to clinch and grapple to soften up overeem. chuck hasnt beaten a striker in years. arona has regularly beaten strikers, like overeem easily.

alright, alright, i moved it here.

yes, i saw arona vs tito in adcc, and i had tito up by 1 point after the regulation time. i thought he got robbed, which is no surprise, because the saudis always favor their golden boys, arona being one of them. if tito can hang with arona in adcc, if you add striking to the mix, tito is better. i don't think arona is stronger either. arona may look more muscular, but tito has a much bigger frame. i mean, do you really see rampage rag dolling tito the way he did to arona? no fucking way. i talk to a guy who trains with team punishment, and he's told me tito and rampage's rolling sessions often end with tito triangling rampage and rampage isn't strong enough to elevate to get out of it.

overeem does not have the same takedown defense that liddell does. liddell had a bit of trouble with overeem's knees, but other than that, he won the fight standing. he didn't soften him up on the ground, they were only on the ground briefly and liddell didn't really land anything. the only thing the takedown did was allow chuck to get out of trouble from the knees. he did all his damage standing, when he landed a decent right hand that overeem smiled and nodded at as to if to say it didn't hurt and then came that tremendous overhand right that dropped his arms and gave him the baby giraffe legs.

dude, silva DOES NOT have underrated bjj. infact, he probably has the most overrated bjj in mma. it's widely believed that the only reason the gracies awarded him his black belt is so they could say a bjj blackbelt was a dominant champ. when was the last time silva subbed someone? granted, he doesn't really have to, but he took hunt down at will, and had the mount several times, but couldn't do anything with it. an underrated bjj blackbelt should have no trouble subbing a guy who's been doing mma for a year from the mount (even though, imo, subbing from the mount is harder than from the guard). he has a good defensive guard, but that's not going to win you any bjj tournaments. it works for him though.

mendozathejew

02-02-2007, 05:50 PM

silva did from the guard what liddell couldnt against rampage. the sceond fight, silva really did some damage to quinton in that 2nd round. I hear what your saying about fake black belts, it happens often, but silva can hold his own from the guard.

on arona vs tito we are just gona have to greatly disagree. and thats the first Ive ever heard of rampage npot being strong enough to do anything. the only thing you ever hear from people like lindland is that the guy has freakish strength, especially in the legs.

Palerider4146

02-02-2007, 11:50 PM

( . Y . )

02-03-2007, 12:57 AM

Can't wait for the fights, the debuts alone are worth ppv.

And Fedor vs. Patrice FUKIN COMEDY GOLD!!

Larz

02-03-2007, 12:58 AM

Hopefully this will put an end to TUF winners getting instant title shots. What a fucking waste. In the words of the great Sgt. Hartman "Only steers and queers come from Texas."

Someone should make a gif of Lutter and Herring humping each other.

urine sampler

02-03-2007, 03:13 AM

I know it couldnt happen but how pissed would Dana be if cro cop and Rampage lose.Id have to lof an lof
And just a thought since Ufc is now a sponser of the show why dont one of you guys pitch a Ufc hour of pest radio on the RAZZLE DAZZLE hour.

mendozathejew

02-03-2007, 05:48 AM

And Fedor vs. Patrice FUKIN COMEDY GOLD!!
I would love to hear patrice's on air reaction to that fight

mendozathejew

02-03-2007, 05:50 AM

I know it couldnt happen but how pissed would Dana be if cro cop and Rampage lose.
dana white might actually cry if that happens. so would I

Cromwell

02-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Holy douchebags. Lutter didnt make weight. He weighed in at 187, was given 2 hrs by the NSAC to make weight and only lost 1/2 a pound, missing the cutoff by 1/2 a pound. The fight is still on but it's a non title fight the same way Hughes/Riggs was. Shit at least Riggs had a reason by taking that fight on at the last minute. Lutter has no exuse, you have the biggest fight of your life, had months to prepare, and you cant make weight. Oh well fucko, to bad.

Really.

Yeah, I got this announcement via email:

Lutter misses weight, plans to win against Silva, even though just a pound and a half keeps the fight from being a title fight.

Despite two tries at the scale, TUF 4 winner Travis Lutter will not be challenging for Anderson Silva's UFC Middleweight Championship Saturday night after coming in at a final weight of 186.5 pounds, a pound and a half over the 185-pound middleweight limit. Lutter's first attempt at making weight was 187 pounds, and after two hours he was only able to lose a half-pound. Tomorrow's UFC 67: All or Nothing main event will now be a three round non-title match, with Lutter being fined 10% of his purse by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (5% going to Silva, 5% to the NSAC).

How can you not be prepared for this opportunity? Worse yet - what if he actually beats Silva tonight? How much of an ass is he going to feel then?

Gotti420

02-03-2007, 11:54 AM

there is NO excuse for this. He had months to prepare for this fight and he couldn't even make weight. My guess is he is done with the UFC after this fight.

Palerider4146

02-03-2007, 01:47 PM

there is NO excuse for this. He had months to prepare for this fight and he couldn't even make weight. My guess is he is done with the UFC after this fight.

I wouldnt say he is done with the ufc. Yeah, he fucked up and there is no reason for it. Riggs didnt make weight, but he took the match last minute. Others in the UFC have done worse, most importantly roids, hell Silva tested posititve after beating cabbage a few years back and he is your current champ. I just dont expect Lutter to get a title shot any time soon.

Did anyone see the weigh ins? I notitced in the pic that Lutter shaved his head, I wonder if his head was shaved at the initial weigh in and if he shaved to lose a bit of weight. Guys used to do some crazy shit when I wrestled in college just to make weight. The best to date for me is exlax cupcakes.

MacOSX

02-03-2007, 01:51 PM

Holy douchebags. Lutter didnt make weight. He weighed in at 187, was given 2 hrs by the NSAC to make weight and only lost 1/2 a pound, missing the cutoff by 1/2 a pound. The fight is still on but it's a non title fight the same way Hughes/Riggs was. Shit at least Riggs had a reason by taking that fight on at the last minute. Lutter has no exuse, you have the biggest fight of your life, had months to prepare, and you cant make weight. Oh well fucko, to bad.Really.

Yeah, I got this announcement via email:

Lutter misses weight, plans to win against Silva, even though just a pound and a half keeps the fight from being a title fight.

Despite two tries at the scale, TUF 4 winner Travis Lutter will not be challenging for Anderson Silva's UFC Middleweight Championship Saturday night after coming in at a final weight of 186.5 pounds, a pound and a half over the 185-pound middleweight limit. Lutter's first attempt at making weight was 187 pounds, and after two hours he was only able to lose a half-pound. Tomorrow's UFC 67: All or Nothing main event will now be a three round non-title match, with Lutter being fined 10% of his purse by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (5% going to Silva, 5% to the NSAC).

How can you not be prepared for this opportunity? Worse yet - what if he actually beats Silva tonight? How much of an ass is he going to feel then?there is NO excuse for this. He had months to prepare for this fight and he couldn't even make weight. My guess is he is done with the UFC after this fight.

I just got in from a side job and read the same e-mail.
WTF?!?!
I agree with you Gotti420, there is NO excuse for this.
I wonder if there isn't more behind it (don't know what, just stating how odd this is for Lutter).
Man, ruin a golden once in life oppertunity like that.
Disgusting and Pathetic, if it is all his fault.