Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[mendozathejew]

best mma fighter in the world fights this weekend FEDOR Emelianenko. its Prides first US show on paperview.

[av8rOC]

Sylvia isnt going to knock anyone out. He will do what he does and use his mongaloid size to stay away from a fight. Boring fighter, hence no PPV main events.

[av8rOC]

Glad to finally have Pride on US soil but I have to say I am disapointed in the card. Great fighters, but circus fights. (sorry Coleman)
the other thing is there will be no soccer kicks, stomps, or knees to the head because of NSAC rules. No elbows either sticking with Prides normal policy.
Butterbean? cmon

[mendozathejew]

Glad to finally have Pride on US soil but I have to say I am disapointed in the card. Great fighters, but circus fights. (sorry Coleman)
the other thing is there will be no soccer kicks, stomps, or knees to the head because of NSAC rules. No elbows either sticking with Prides normal policy.
Butterbean? cmon
check out butterbeans record, hes got submission wins lol its actually true. hes not bad

yeah the pride paperview isnt their typical high quality. I guess they decided to make this an intriduction for US fans to see Fedor and Shogun

[av8rOC]

Im sure butterbean could submit me or some other can, but that doesnt make him a compelling MMA fighter. The entire linup can be pretty much called before the show even starts. Pride has too much talent to put on a show like that.

[locallounge]

Graciefighter.com

Inside sources have informed us that the UFC has contacted Matt Lindland to face their new Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva. Lindland's takedown skills and ability to take out top strikers have the UFC intereseted in a matchup between him and the Brazilian standup ace. After defeating Jeremy Horn and barely losing a razor thin decision to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Matt has become the hot commodity at 185lbs. There are 2 factors impeding the scheduling of this match. Number 1 is that Matt still has a fight left in his WFA contract. The second issue is money. So far the UFC's offers have been considered less than generous compared to what the WFA and IFC have offered him. For Matt to fight in the UFC he will have to completely relinquish fighting in other organizations and he would like to be compensated accordingly.
There will be meetings between Matt and the UFC in the upcoming days to see if these issues can be resolved and if a Anderson Silva vs. Matt Lindland fight can become a reality.

[av8rOC]

Graciefighter.com

Inside sources have informed us that the UFC has contacted Matt Lindland to face their new Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva. Lindland's takedown skills and ability to take out top strikers have the UFC intereseted in a matchup between him and the Brazilian standup ace. After defeating Jeremy Horn and barely losing a razor thin decision to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Matt has become the hot commodity at 185lbs. There are 2 factors impeding the scheduling of this match. Number 1 is that Matt still has a fight left in his WFA contract. The second issue is money. So far the UFC's offers have been considered less than generous compared to what the WFA and IFC have offered him. For Matt to fight in the UFC he will have to completely relinquish fighting in other organizations and he would like to be compensated accordingly.
There will be meetings between Matt and the UFC in the upcoming days to see if these issues can be resolved and if a Anderson Silva vs. Matt Lindland fight can become a reality.

that would be a nice re-signing. now someone tell Dana the HW division is a disaster while he has his checkbook out.

[Cromwell]

I dont think monsun (Opie arms):haha7: is gonna be able to get that big 265lb retard down an is gonna get koed.Ill tell ya though before the last ppv I thought that big strait out of skull island gorrilla Khec kongo had a shot untill he got dominated by a 220lb new commer with very good wrestling I might add that dudes future looks pretty bright:cool7: I think that guys best bet is to cut weight to LHW an go that route.
Good points, sir.

By the way - it was nice meeting you at the Walkover yesterday. And thank you for the UFC 64 recording.

In case you haven't seen it in the Walkover topic, here's the pic of us:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/001fcromfrank.jpg

best mma fighter in the world fights this weekend FEDOR Emelianenko. its Prides first US show on paperview.

Hey urine, buddy - any chance you'll be recording this? :icon_mrgr


Graciefighter.com

Inside sources have informed us that the UFC has contacted Matt Lindland to face their new Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva. Lindland's takedown skills and ability to take out top strikers have the UFC intereseted in a matchup between him and the Brazilian standup ace.


This I truly want to see.



After defeating Jeremy Horn and barely losing a razor thin decision to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Matt has become the hot commodity at 185lbs. There are 2 factors impeding the scheduling of this match. Number 1 is that Matt still has a fight left in his WFA contract. The second issue is money. So far the UFC's offers have been considered less than generous compared to what the WFA and IFC have offered him. For Matt to fight in the UFC he will have to completely relinquish fighting in other organizations and he would like to be compensated accordingly.
There will be meetings between Matt and the UFC in the upcoming days to see if these issues can be resolved and if a Anderson Silva vs. Matt Lindland fight can become a reality.

Come on Dana - pay up! :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

You two are adorable!!!

[Po'sUke]

Although the Pride card didn't have the greatest match-ups,there was some nice skills shown.

Shogun putting on a lower body sub clinic on a clueless Randleman, Nice Flying knee from Lawler, Hendo whooping up on Belfort, and Fedor completely shutting down Coleman before hitting him with exactly the same armbar he got him with 3 years ago.(other arm this time tho)

Pride puts on a great show and has some amazing talent.MMA in america just got a little more interesting.

[My Name Is Earl]

Just got back from the show, I got a free ticket and asked the security guard how much my seat would've been if I had to buy it, he said $300 where I was sitting and the floor seats were going for $600. The arena seemed pretty full, i'd say about 90%, Damn good for Prides 1st appearance in the US. As far as the fights, no big upsets or epic battles but some good finishes and some intersting moments: Lawler's KO was one of the best of the year, def. one for the HL reel... Belforts performance was disappointing... seeing Baroni use some submission skills... Wandy calling out Chuck... got to see Shogun in action and almost rip Randlemans knee off... Fedor being Fedor... was a good night, even better being free for me, just bought beer and didnt even have to pay for parking as I live a few blocks away, can't beat it

[Po'sUke]

Grats on getting to see the show live.What was the estimated attendance?

It looked like a pretty cool presentation from the ppv.Did you buy me a Fedor shirt?

[BouquetOSeaweed]

Only attendance number I've seen so far is 11,727, but maybe this doesn't include all the free tickets.

[av8rOC]

The show was what I expected. Nice to see Pride on US soil, but none of the fights were compelling. I wish them luck over here but next time they better have a card with some competitive matchups.
I did enjoy watching Silva call out Chuck though.

[Cybouncer]

I did enjoy watching Silva call out Chuck though.

Why didn't the fight happen again?

I am not a big Silva fan. Not trying to start up the UFC/Pride argument again but I think Chuck is the better fighter and would love to see him kick Silva's ass.

I was watching an episode of "Ultimate Knockouts" and I really miss the old UFC. Back when there weren't so many rules and it was a tournament style fight. A lot more exciting.

[urine sampler]

heres the link for the Fedor/Coleman Fight.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4924519220951451006&hl=en

[av8rOC]

Why didn't the fight happen again?

Pride says UFC, UFC says Pride. I tend to believe Pride though, because they have much more to gain from the fight. All they care about is exposure in the US at this point. Also Dana has been giving different excuses such as how Silva was just "executed" by Cro-Cop. No response when asked why not Chuck vs. Mirko then. :rolleyes:

[My Name Is Earl]

Grats on getting to see the show live.What was the estimated attendance?

It looked like a pretty cool presentation from the ppv.Did you buy me a Fedor shirt?

I couldn't even buy myself one, I was pissed. I got there an hour early, stood in the merchandise line for about 15 minutes just to find out they were sold out of almost everything. All they had left were some beanies, a Barnett t-shirt, and only a couple Pride shirts but only in small or medium.

[Cybouncer]

Dana has been giving different excuses such as how Silva was just "executed" by Cro-Cop. No response when asked why not Chuck vs. Mirko then. :rolleyes:


Like I said, I'm not a Silva fan and he did get obliterated by Cro-Cop, but to your point, if they want to have a cross over fight, it should be a Mirko/Chuck fight

When you talk about fighters of this caliber, the fight could go either way. Cro-Cop has the edge but he has been dropped in the recent past with strikes (i.e. Randleman). I don't think Liddell has faced a fighter of Mirko's caliber yet though...

[av8rOC]

I think Cro-Cop would have no trouble with Chuck these days, but could he make 205? I dont think so. I think the best matchup is Chuck v. Wanderlei.

[mendozathejew]

I dont think dana will go for any matchup other than wanderlei vs liddell.

arona is a horrible matchup for chuck, hes a bad matchup for anyone really. shogun is very risky, I think we still dont know how good or great shogun is.. cro cop is a better striker while 25 to 20 pounds heavier.

wanderlei is the matchup that is most appealing, most competitive, and probably chucks best odds vs a Pride fighter at this time.

[mendozathejew]

more from mma weekly just posted. ufc 63 and 64 salaries

-Anderson Silva: $50,000 (defeated Rich Franklin)

-Sean Sherk: $22,000 (defeated Kenny Florian)

-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)

-Kenny Florian: $8,000 (lost to Sean Sherk)

-Matt Hughes: $130,000 (defeated BJ Penn)

-BJ Penn: $50,000 (lost to Matt Hughes)

dana white is worse than don king. that is fucking pathetic.


a little perspective. prides first US MMA show, which was an overall downgrade from their usual overall production and competitve standard (non title fights), these were the salaries they paid according to mma weekly again.

Main Event Fighters

-Fedor Emelianenko: $100,000 (defeated Mark Coleman)

-Mark Coleman: $70,000 (lost to Fedor Emelianenko)



-Josh Barnett: $60,000 (defeated Pawel Nastula)

-Dan Henderson: $50,000 (defeated Vitor Belfort)

-Kevin Randleman: $40,000 (lost to Mauricio "Shogun" Rua)

-Vitor Belfort: $30,000 (lost to Dan Henderson)

[Palerider4146]

Although I'm much more of a fan of the UFC than Pride (just what I'm used to, plus I'm very suspicious of rampant steroid abuse in Japan) Dana really needs to get on the ball with the salaries. If he ups the money, he will be able to attract a lot of these guys back to the octagon.

[Cromwell]

I was watching an episode of "Ultimate Knockouts" and I really miss the old UFC. Back when there weren't so many rules and it was a tournament style fight. A lot more exciting.

Yeah, I watched 2 of the 4 hours I recorded of what they ran on Saturday night.

It was cool to see that fat cheap-shot guy Tank Abbott get his ass kicked by a guy who was actually *in shape*.

I like the way the MMA has evolved. It favors *athletes* with skill over fat, out of shape (but strong) guys.

[av8rOC]

Yeah, I watched 2 of the 4 hours I recorded of what they ran on Saturday night.

It was cool to see that fat cheap-shot guy Tank Abbott get his ass kicked by a guy who was actually *in shape*.

I like the way the MMA has evolved. It favors *athletes* with skill over fat, out of shape (but strong) guys.

The guy who was "in shape", Frank Mir, is now fat and out of shape and still fighting in the UFC. He's fighting Brandon Vera at 65...http://blog.drjenterprises.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mir_vs_vera.jpg

[mendozathejew]

Although I'm much more of a fan of the UFC than Pride (just what I'm used to, plus I'm very suspicious of rampant steroid abuse in Japan) Dana really needs to get on the ball with the salaries. If he ups the money, he will be able to attract a lot of these guys back to the octagon.

yeah its a valid point. but in all honesty we know if athletes want to use steroids they wil use, and they will consult with people who are excellent at hiding it- regardless of that country and what sport they are in.

and as for pride, the top fighters are not anything close to typical steroid bodies- fedor, shogun, henderson, gomi. they dont have a six pack between the 4 of them.

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though

[av8rOC]

yeah its a valid point. but in all honesty we know if athletes want to use steroids they wil use, and they will consult with people who are excellent at hiding it- regardless of that country and what sport they are in.

and as for pride, the top fighters are not anything close to typical steroid bodies- fedor, shogun, henderson, gomi. they dont have a six pack between the 4 of them.

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though

dont think that a guy without a ripped body isnt on steroids, look at stephen bonnar.

[Cybouncer]

baroni looked more juiced in the ufc than he does today, but there are a bunch of guys in pride who are suspicious. the top fighters arent really among them though


Baroni used to work out at Dolphin in Amityville, NY. Juicehead is not the word for him.

The fight that he won at Mohegan Sun a few years back, was when he was at his Juiced out peak.

[mendozathejew]

dont think that a guy without a ripped body isnt on steroids, look at stephen bonnar.
people like that generally take them for injury recovery, which all athletes do, often prescribed by a doctor.

I think when people refer to pride having a steroid problem, they are talking about guys who habitually use steroids regularly, because its believed that would be ok.

[urine sampler]

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.

[MikeyP]

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.

I'm not saying that Pride is BETTER, but here's what makes it great in contrast to the UFC IMO. These points will also illustrate what I'm starting to not like about the UFC, btw.

1. The rules in Pride (Japan at least) make for a MUCH more interesting and fast paced fight. With the exception of their lack of elbows, there's no denying this. (knees to the head, soccer kicks, 10 minute 1st round, yellow cards docking 10% of pay).

2. The DEPTH of talent in just about all of their divisions, especially but not limited to the Heavyweight division.

3. They are MUCH better at retaining talent. Really good/fun/intersting fighters don't stick around for one reason or another on a VERY regular basis. Because Pride keeps around fighters that may have lost fights, you gain a vested interest in the fighter and care about their progress. In a way this makes it more like a mainstream sport. Lose a fight or two in the UFC and most fighters are just gone. Why do you think that at the end of fights in which they have lost fighters are starting to say "I just hope that the UFC gives me another chance"?

4. Regarding 2 and 3, the UFC has so many newcomers and relative no-names on their main cards that it's becoming very hard for me to swallow the idea of purchasing a PPV. Sure, some of these fighters are good in their own right and many of the fights do end up being exciting, but for the most part I want to see fighters that have already been developed somewhat. They are putting GOOD and ESTABLISHED fighters in the prelims (aka "dark matches").

5. While I'm sure that Pride does this as well, they're putting the fighters that they ARE developing up against "unkown" fighters that they are expected to be able to beat. This is kind of remniscent to me of "jobbers" in the WWF. From what I've been able to see, Pride does this a lot less. While they still might make a matchup where one fighter is highly expected to win (such as most of the Real Deal matchups), they're fighting against developed, known fighters and generally put on a more exciting show of it.

6. Dana White is the Vince McMahon of the MMA world (and I'm starting to think that Zuffa is just evil). He's been caught lying about a great many things (references not available, but check any of the MMA news sites). He exploits the fighters and underpays them by quite a lot.
Do you know what the total fighter payout was for 8 matches at UFC 64? $209,000.
Live gate receipts (gross ticket sales) for UFC 64? $2,314,000.
PPV buy rate for UFC 64? Not sure yet, but lately the UFC has been in the over 500,000 rate. If this holds true the gross receipts for PPVs is $20,000,000.
Why were there "contract problems" between the UFC and fighters like Tito Ortiz, BJ Penn, and Jens Pulver?

7. That crazy announcer chick.

Now, I'm getting tired of typing this so I'm just gonna let it go here and maybe discuss a little more later. Of course your mileage may vary, but I strongly think this is what makes Pride better in some aspects. Of course, this is not to say that the UFC does not have its strong points either.

cheers

[Palerider4146]

Although I'm a UFC fan, there is no way you can say that Pride is full of guys who can not make it in the UFC. Pride is a weird mix, but they have a lot of guys who would kick the shit out of the UFC, especially Heavyweight super heavy which the UFC doesnt have. Granted, the UFC has the best of what I think is the best weight class, Welterweights, and they have just started up their lws again.

[mendozathejew]

What makes Pride so great. From what it looks like to me is its full of guys that didnt have what it takes to make it it the UFC.and it also seems like when guys exell there they come to the UFC.
your way, way off. mma has evolved, individual fighters have evolved. gomi and wanderlei arent near what they were 6 years ago. while ufc has liddell the #1 ranked, pride has shogun, lil nog, arona and wanderlei. its a deeper division. liddell might very well be able to beat wandeerlei, but could he win a GP and go through 2 or 3 of them? we already know how that story goes. its a deeper organization

and fedor and crop cop are leaps and bounds above everyone else in MMA

[av8rOC]

hard to add to what they said. you really need to watch a few events to appreciate it.
I dont consider one better than the other and I hate all the internet bickering about what org is better blah blah blah. I consider Prides heavyweights to be lightyears better and the LHW's much deeper. The LW's are a toss up and UFC has a much better WW (pride doesnt have WW) and MW division.
Rules are different, production is different, both do a great job IMO and I look forward to every event on either side.

[Palerider4146]

hard to add to what they said. you really need to watch a few events to appreciate it.
I dont consider one better than the other and I hate all the internet bickering about what org is better blah blah blah. I consider Prides heavyweights to be lightyears better and the LHW's much deeper. The LW's are a toss up and UFC has a much better WW (pride doesnt have WW) and MW division.
Rules are different, production is different, both do a great job IMO and I look forward to every event on either side.

Jesus man, you sound like a politician over here. Come on get a set and pick sides.

Did you know av8rOC has often voted on programs to investigtate masturbation trends in the MMA community. Is he really the man you want representing you in wackbag???


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[mendozathejew]

check out frank shamrocks myspace videos, specifically this one, its fantastic
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=51030656&blogID=184510270&MyToken=e2226649-04b0-49c5-845f-6f071695aa99

I dont think he is challenging liddell hes just making an offer where he'll fight for free in ufc, or liddell fights on danas dolar in strikeforce

[Standby]

The guy who was "in shape", Frank Mir, is now fat and out of shape and still fighting in the UFC. He's fighting Brandon Vera at 65...http://blog.drjenterprises.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mir_vs_vera.jpg

Vera came out of the Lloyd Irvin camp. I train in Muay Thai at one of their satellite centers, so I feel like I should be rooting for the guy. And one of the instructors just went out to CityBoxing to train with him.

I'd say that at an undefeated UFC record, fighting some solid fighters, and a shallow heavyweight division, Vera could be in line for a title shot with a seemingly predictable win over Mir.

I know we've moved past that mention to Pride but I figured since UFC 65 is coming up, that could be a discussion point.

[Palerider4146]

Mir really fell apart after his accident. He looked so promising before that. His comeback loss was a bit of bad luck, he caught an unlikely sharp elbow. It sucks, because he had been a pretty exciting fighter. Great jui jitsu. He is still very young (26) and should be able to get back into shape again.

[Palerider4146]

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Last time I was at FH Riley's, no big screen TV. Just a couple of smaller ones over the bar area, which is quite small.

[locallounge]

Mir..His comeback loss was a bit of bad luck, he caught an unlikely sharp elbow.

More like several sharp elbows, repeatedly. He got tooled that night. :action-sm

[locallounge]

Mark Coleman/Pride post-fight makes news....
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October 24, 2006

A MOMENT CAPTURED

'Daddy's OK, it's all over'

By Sam Morris, Las Vegas Sun
Las Vegas Sun

Ignoring the post-fight question posed by the public address interviewer, Mark Coleman grabbed the microphone and yelled "I love you girls! I'll be back," while jabbing a massive hand toward his daughters in the audience.

Moments before, nearly 12,000 people watched as the Pride Fighting Championships heavyweight was beaten into submission by a Russian giant when he found himself trapped an excruciating hold called an armbar. Two of those 12,000 saw something entirely different: Their daddy got hurt.

To calm the tears and fears of his daughters, the bloodied Coleman embraced his daughters while caressing their hair and repeating over and over that "Daddy's OK. Daddy's OK," after they were lifted up to the ring and into his waiting arms.

When his repeated reassurance that "Daddy's OK, it's all over. It's all over. Daddy's OK. Let's go have some fun now," failed to completely calm the girls, Coleman took them to center ring and introduced them to Fedor Emelianenko, the man who turned his face into a bloody pulp.

After a minute or two of talk, Coleman playfully tagged the Russian champion with a light tap to the chin and then raised his arms in victory - maybe daddy is invulnerable after all.

As the near-sellout crowd continued to file out of the Thomas & Mack Center, it seemed as if only a handful of photographers paid attention to the scene until a ringside judge was seen surreptitiously rubbing his eyes and wiping his cheeks.

It is within the realm of possibility that he merely had a piece of dust in his eye.

SAM@LASVEGASSUN.COM

[Palerider4146]

More like several sharp elbows, repeatedly. He got tooled that night. :action-sm

Yeah your right, but I still would not of counted him out from bottom had he not gotten cut. But that is the way MMA is.

[Palerider4146]

Nice story about Coleman by the way. I still think he is a huge juice head, but that's a great human story.

[Standby]

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

Sadly since I'm in Northern VA, that's a hell of a drive just to watch UFC. But it'd be nice to watch it with some other animals who are MMA fans _and_ XM 202 fans...

[BouquetOSeaweed]

As if anyone had any doubts about banned substances in Pride, both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula tested postive for anabolic steroids.

[mendozathejew]

As if anyone had any doubts about banned substances in Pride, both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula tested postive for anabolic steroids.
yeah but thats via the nevada state athletic commission. pride and its fighters claimed to be tested in japan, but Ive never seen any evidence of that. barnett tested positive in the UFC, has gone to pride and continued to be successful, now he has never looked in better shape, and he passed the US drug test last week, so who knows

if athletes want to take the shit theyll take it here or there.

[Cromwell]

BTW MMA fans, anyone here been to FH Rileys yet? Do they have a big screen tv for PPV events. I would love to try and get a PPV party for the next UFC with a few of you maniacs. Any thoughts.

I go there semi-frequently.

The two tv screens over the bar are decent enough. They're the letterbox style, so they give you a somewhat better view than your standard tv screen.

I’d definitely be up for this.

I guess we would have to all chip in and split the cost of it. That would have to be worked out with Brett and the staff there.

Plus, it would be great if they could record it to a disc, or barring that, a tape. Then we could all have a duped copy of it.

Can we get this together for UFC65 on November 18th?

[urine sampler]

Sounds real good fellas but the only problem is its gonna cost more then the regular 40 bucks to get.From what I understand if your makeing money from there PPV they want a piece(a big piece) an thats not just UFC thats any PPV. otherwise if thats the only charge any old sports bar could broadcast all PPV events.
The only way would be for him to have a privet party there an charge per head.Wich I dought it would be benificial for him to close to the public on a saturday.
My sugestion would be someone gets it (il be happy to:icon_bigg ) tape it than all hook up there on a monday or something for a 4 hour, per head, privet party.
I know it would be hard to stay off the web and find out what happened but hell i would do it.It would be a blast.

[Cromwell]

Sounds real good fellas but the only problem is its gonna cost more then the regular 40 bucks to get.From what I understand if your makeing money from there PPV they want a piece(a big piece) an thats not just UFC thats any PPV. otherwise if thats the only charge any old sports bar could broadcast all PPV events.
The only way would be for him to have a privet party there an charge per head.Wich I dought it would be benificial for him to close to the public on a saturday.
My sugestion would be someone gets it (il be happy to:icon_bigg ) tape it than all hook up there on a monday or something for a 4 hour, per head, privet party.
I know it would be hard to stay off the web and find out what happened but hell i would do it.It would be a blast.

I like your idea "urine" (eh, nice screename there - you a fan of Jimmy's?) :icon_mrgr

Only I'll go you one better - lets just skip FH Rileys altogether (this time) - because of the complications - why don't we all just watch it at your house?

Whadda ya say, buddy? I'm sure Pale, and the handful of others who can make their way out will be just as happy to watch it at your place. We'll split the cost of it evenly between whoever is there. Naturally, you can record it so we can all then get a dupe of it.

Works for me. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

Jesus man, you sound like a politician over here. Come on get a set and pick sides.

Did you know av8rOC has often voted on programs to investigtate masturbation trends in the MMA community. Is he really the man you want representing you in wackbag???


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Fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me I have to choose sides? Thats how I honestly feel about it. All you internet warriors who argue about Pride being better are bad for the sport of MMA and it reaching a mainstream audience.

[av8rOC]

I have talked to Brett before about ordering the UFC events at Rileys. It cost him in the thousands of dollars to order because he has a business account, kind of a bummer cause it would be fun.

[urine sampler]

I would love to have you guys over but my wife would have my balls if I told her a bunch of my Wackbag friends are comming over for a UFC party.Were probly better off waiting for the TUF 4 finale on 11\11 on spike an all get together there for that.

[Boratfan]

Theirs a bar out in Massapequa out on long island(its on the south shore and in eastern nassau county for those who are not familar with the area) that is going to be showing the next UFC ppv. Its listed on the UFC website, that would be a cool place to meet and watch the event.. id like to meet all of you animals and have a good time.

[Palerider4146]

Fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me I have to choose sides? Thats how I honestly feel about it. All you internet warriors who argue about Pride being better are bad for the sport of MMA and it reaching a mainstream audience.

Av8, I was just kidding man, no offense meant. I was just making fun of the negative campaign bit (albeit badly obviously). I'm a fan of everything MMA. (waving whiteflag).

[Palerider4146]

Here's the link for all the sports bar locations, most charge a small cover charge. I have never gone to one, but I heard depending on the noise level, it can be a bit hard to watch at times, but I think it still could work (especially with a large screen). Personally I'm coming from the jersey shore, so Queens or Nassua wouldnt be to bad for me. I do have to check my calendar, for some reason, the next UFC date is ringing a bell, if not, I could use a little man time (no hom0). Check out the link.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.SportsBars&eid=220

[Cybouncer]

Theirs a bar out in Massapequa out on long island(its on the south shore and in eastern nassau county for those who are not familar with the area) that is going to be showing the next UFC ppv. Its listed on the UFC website, that would be a cool place to meet and watch the event.. id like to meet all of you animals and have a good time.


McCanns Pub # 2 Massapequea NY 516 798-1496

I know this place. I think it's right on Merrick Road.

Who's in?

[av8rOC]

Av8, I was just kidding man, no offense meant. I was just making fun of the negative campaign bit (albeit badly obviously). I'm a fan of everything MMA. (waving whiteflag).

Well than that makes me doesn't get the bit guy. FUCK!

:action-sm:action-sm:action-sm

[urine sampler]

McCanns Sounds good to me . Does this mean nobodys up for F H Reillys for TUF 4 finale?

[Cromwell]

McCanns Sounds good to me . Does this mean nobodys up for F H Reillys for TUF 4 finale?

Either or sounds good to me.

Oh, and slap your wife with your hog and just tell her a bunch of us guys are coming over. :icon_mrgr

Listen - *I'll* order the PPV (if you maniacs chip in) and we can watch it at *my* house. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

I wont be back to Huntington until Christmas week. Otherwise I would be into watching it wherever. Im sure I will see some of you kooks down at Rileys that week:action-sm

[Palerider4146]

I wont be back to Huntington until Christmas week. Otherwise I would be into watching it wherever. Im sure I will see some of you kooks down at Rileys that week:action-sm

Tito vs chuck is Dec 30th, will you be around then. If i'm not done in Atlanta at the inlaws, I'm up for it.

[av8rOC]

Yeah, I will talk to Brett. Maybe we can order it on someones box and bring it down to the bar and set it up.

[Cromwell]

Maybe we can order it on someones box and bring it down to the bar and set it up.

You can do that?

Speaking of FH Rileys - does anyone know what time they usually open each day? And what's their phone number?

Thanks.

[av8rOC]

You can do that?

Speaking of FH Rileys - does anyone know what time they usually open each day? And what's their phone number?

Thanks.

If its a satellite box, yeah no problem. Just a matter of putting a temp dish in the upstairs window or on the roof..
Im pretty sure he opens around 10 am every day. Not positive though.

(631) 271-7600

[Cromwell]

If its a satellite box, yeah no problem. Just a matter of putting a temp dish in the upstairs window or on the roof..


Hmmmm - sounds complicated.

I've got Cablevision.

Everybody just come to my house.




Im pretty sure he opens around 10 am every day. Not positive though.

(631) 271-7600

Thanks for the info.

[av8rOC]

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it.


BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

[armaniwearr]

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it.


BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

Agreed GSP all the way!!!!

[Palerider4146]

So Spike played a bunch of the UFNs over the weekend, and I just got done watching them. A few observations from watching them again...

How the hell did they let that guy from new orleans Kristian Rothaermel from TUF 3 back in the UFC. He looked horribile and gassed against Bisping on TUF and was gassed halfway through the 1st round on the UFN fight.

Silva really is a crazy striker considering he KOd leben like he did. I'm not being a TUF nuthugger, but Leben has a crazy strong chin and has gotten punched right on the jar in the past by Cote and shook it off and laughed.

Also in regards to that match, it pissed me off when I saw Kosheck whooping it up after Leben got KOd. Leben has seemed to really grow up after TUF and apparently Josh hasnt yet. Leben has been fighting his ass off doing all the UFNs, being a good company man, and is finally getting his PPV shot.


So I just checked Koscheck on sherdog, he has also fought in all the UFNs except #3. Had stoppage wins except for one deciscion. I just dont know why he cant bury the shit. IMO he was the shit stirrer (maybe Southworth more) on the show. Leben wasnt an angel, but they were the button pushers.

Why the UFC hasnt tried to get a rematch between these two is beyond me. Not only would the back story be great, it would be a great match. Both guys have improved their games since. I also find it interesting that all of Lebens UFN fight have beein aired but Kos has been the dark match with an occasional fill in airing.

Wathing Bonner on the UFNs had been really disappointing. He really seemed to fall off after the finale fight. Even with steroids he wasnt able to do anything in his matches. I still strongly think he lost to Jardine (who I think has the potential to become a force at LHW) and looked like shit against Evans ( who can also become a force in a couple of years, has to work on his ground game/ju jitsu).

In regards to Bonner, the combination of looking bad in his last few fights and the steroids may have done him in for the UFC...except maybe if the UFC wants to try and capitalize on it. They have let positive testers come back, most notable Sylvia years ago after his Cabbage Correra fight. What if they did another TUF comeback with LHWs and this was his "last chance" to get back. Good back story, a TUF veteran on a TUF comeback show. It's got potential. I also wouldnt mind seeing a TUF hybrid with new fighters and vets trying to fight it out.

[urine sampler]

I think a digital cable box will work too, I will research it

BTW 65 is 2 weeks away. Anyone want to put any friendly bets on Hughes? His days as WW champ are few!

Even if it did work were still asking Brett to take a big chance unless we can isolate into a back corner somewere out of the public eye.Why dont we all meet up there for Tuf 4 and if we cant work it out we still can all go to that Mccanns place in Nassau.Or we can all go to croms house.Times running out so lets make a dissicion either way im in.
Oh an about te betting.I think were gonna have to take bets how long Hughes lasts.Not whos gonna win.

[av8rOC]

I think were gonna have to take bets how long Hughes lasts.Not whos gonna win

I wouldnt be surprised to see all 5 rounds. The difference in this fight is that GSP's cardio is right there with Matt. As much as I would like to see a sub or KO, I would bet on a decision.

[Palerider4146]

I wouldnt be surprised to see all 5 rounds. The difference in this fight is that GSP's cardio is right there with Matt. As much as I would like to see a sub or KO, I would bet on a decision.

Even if GSP doesnt beat him, taking it to a decision would be a feat in itself. Matt has won his last five fights by stoppage and hasnt had a decision since June '04 and a decision loss ever.

[av8rOC]

Granted, but I dont think he has fought anyone of GSP's current caliber, aside from Penn of course who has questionable cardio and seperated his rib in the 2nd.

[Cromwell]

Here's some cool YouTube videos for your viewing pleasure :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEE_fR0WPjc&mode=related&search=

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzRkNDcsEvs

:icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

So PRIDE's USA debut is starting to get a little marred. Three of their fighters, two big names have been cited for NSAC violations. Both Pawel Natsula and Vitor Belfort supposedly tested positive for enhancing substances. It is now reported that Kevin Randleman supplied a false urine sample that the director of NSAC stated was either non-human or supplied from a dead human.

This is where some of my issues with PRIDE come up. Their testing standards are by far different than here in the states. I also thing they go a little over the top and their use of Pro Wrestlers irks me a bit. I know they have also been accused of some jobbed matches in the past.

[av8rOC]

You can't tell me your surprised though. As much as I would like Pride to be successfull in the US I much prefer the Japanese shows. No soccer kicks, stomps, knees to the head and elbows sucks. On top of that you have fighters trying to dodge drug tests. Dull.

[mendozathejew]

there have been numerous ufc fighters who tested postive for banned substances, most recently stephan bonner.

and the pride fighters who tested positive after the vegas show are far from key members of Prides company. if henderson, not belfort, had tested positive - that would have been disasterous. but belfort and even randlemen? irrelevant.

[av8rOC]

You hear about UFC guys occasionally, Bonner being the latest. You have to figure though, they have on average 1-2 shows per month at this point.

Pride comes to the US and has 3 (so far) of its fighters test positive. I think that backs up rumours of rampant sterioid abuse in that org.

It's not that I even care so much, but I would like rules for all org's to be the same. (At least drug testing policies)

[mendozathejew]

theres a big rumor that Aleks Emelianenko is headed to the UFC, and is in negotiations. hes a two time world sambo champion, hes 6'5 making him alot bigger than his brother.

whiles hes a better boxer than his brother, quicker on his feet and quicker hands, hes not as complete a fighter as fedor but he is younger. Fedor says aleks is just as good as him and will be better.

hes lost to cro cop, brutal KO, and lost to barnett in the GP

[mendozathejew]

http://www.graciemag.com/?c=144&a=5632
According to MMAUniverse.com, Aleksander’s goal is to take a new direction in his career by leaving Pride and the shadow of his elder brother, the heavyweight champion of the Japanese organization, Fedor Emelianenko.



“Tim Silvia (current UFC heavyweight champion) is a good fighter. Let’s just say that, if I have the chance to face him, I will take it from him with pleasure", says Aleksander


just a rumor. sylvia better hope its just a rumor

[av8rOC]

God I hope its not a rumor. I thought about Aleks in the UFC and it just makes too much sense. You know he wont fight his brother, and you know he could easily win the UFC belt. He knows it too.

Aleks, for those of you who dont know, is Fedors younger brother. He supposedly had russian mafia ties and did a several (5?) years in jail because of it. He's covered in prison tats.

Would be a SICK addition to the UFC HW division!!!!

[av8rOC]

...which leads me to wonder if getting a visa would be a problem for Aleks. Convicted felons getting visas??

[mendozathejew]

yeah thats a good point, aleks might have a problem with a visa. shit bisping isnt going to be ultimate fight night now cause he couldnt get one. Ive seen some on message boards talking about aleks in the Europe UFC that zuffa is putting together. Id like to see him here and beat on sylvia and company

a highlight video of both emelianenkos, alot of aleks clips in it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2764484750698382694&q=aleksander+emelianenko

[av8rOC]

thats true, I forgot about the UFC's jump into Europe next year. If all else fails he could fight over there.

[av8rOC]

Great video!!

[urine sampler]

Morning gentlemen sorry to change the subject I figured I would throw my picks for the finale Lytle over Serra an Lutter over Cote.

[armaniwearr]

I have Serra over Lytle and Lutter over Cote and Rivera over Dewees

[urine sampler]

Hey check out Randy choke out a bitch on some radio showhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=cMlGzzWBy10

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Hey check out Randy choke out a bitch on some radio showhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=cMlGzzWBy10


"Dating tips with Randy"

[Flea_Man]

Nathan Jones is the worst MMA fighter I've ever seen.

[Palerider4146]

Is it wrong that I got half filled during that video?


My picks, Serra subs Lytle in the second, RNC. Lutter dec. over Cote.

Alexs in the UFC would be a huge coup, except that it may be very hard to get him physically in the US. I wonder what happened with Bisping, he obviously had been here before when he was on TUF. I'm really disappointed by that, I was really looking forward to seeing him fight. I think he has what it takes to cause some damage in the LHWs. Another fight I'm looking forward to is on the next PPV, forrest vs. Jardine. This has potential to be a great fight and you may see the winner taking on Chuck soon after he KOs Tito (Tito has grown on me since his TUF stint, but he is fighting a very different Chuck).

BTW, as long as my wife doesnt need to study, I'm up for next ppv at cromwells.

[mendozathejew]

apparently fedor and alex would like to be champions at the same time in pride and ufc respectively. aleks contract with pride is about to end, and I cant see him resigning with pride, hes not going to fight his brother. if not ufc he can sign with K1 Heroes. they have a bigger bank account than Pride

then theres an even younger brother who hasnt competed yet but trains with them.

[av8rOC]

I'm going with Serra over Lytle and Cote over Lutter.

Bummer about Bisping, IMO the only TUF'r besides Diego that has the potential to actually win a belt.

Any new gossip about Aleks?

[Cromwell]

I'll be rooting for Serra.

Can't take the fight out of this Long Islander
BY JOE FERNANDEZ
Newsday.com

November 9, 2006

Long Island – Check it.

In case you haven't noticed, East Meadow's Matt Serra is one win away from earning a shot at the UFC welterweight championship.

The 32-year-old UFC veteran, who appeared on Spike TV's "The Ultimate Fighter 4: The Comeback," will face Chris Lytle on Saturday in the show's season finale in Las Vegas. The winner gets a shot at the belt.

The event, which begins at 9 p.m. on Spike TV, will also showcase the middleweight final between Travis Lutter and Patrick Cote. The undercard will feature a matchup between Bay Shore native Pete Sell, one of Serra's top students, and fellow season four contestant Scott Smith.

Because all TUF contestants are required to stay in the same house for six weeks during the taping, fighters get a true sense of their roommates' styles.

"More than anybody in the house, I worked with Chris the most," Serra said. "I know he's got real good hands. He's extremely well-rounded; he's very good on the floor. We had some hard, intense sparring matches. If our fight is going to be anything like that, which I'm sure it would be, it's going to really pay off for the fans. They're the ones who are going to be the winners."

Season four pitted veteran fighters looking for one more chance to make it in the fast-growing UFC. The winners of the two weight classes earn title shots in a couple of months. Serra could be standing across the Octagon from Matt Hughes, arguably the greatest fighter pound-for-pound in the history of the UFC. But first Hughes has to defend his welterweight belt against Georges St. Pierre Saturday, Nov. 18, at UFC 65.

"I don't sweat that," Serra said of possibly facing Hughes. "The deal is this -- it's a fight. I don't care what his record is, no human being is unbeatable. This is mixed martial arts, this is the sport of upsets. If I'm fighting Matt Hughes, I'm fighting Matt Hughes. If I take him out, that's the goal. And if I don't, he'll know he's been in a fight. That's the attitude you have to have, otherwise you don't belong in there."

And that's the attitude that earned Serra the distinction of being the first American black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu under Renzo Gracie, a member of the legendary Gracie family. Serra owns and runs two academies on Long Island (Huntington and East Meadow) with his brother Nick. While Matt Serra already has eight fights in the UFC, his fighting career got an early start in his East Meadow neighborhood.

"I had my share of scraps in junior high and high school," Serra said. "I'll tell you right now, if I had the Serra Jitsu academy there would have been a different outlet for me. Not that I was a troublemaker or used to look for trouble, but it definitely would've channeled it the right way."

So will the people get to see one of Serra's Brazilian jiu-jitsu submissions?

"Any way I can end it would be phenomenal," Serra said. "Of course a submission would be beautiful."

Visit Matt's site at www.serrajitsu.com

[locallounge]

November 11, 2006
by Greg Savage

There have been rumblings from the Miletich camp for several months that UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes (Pictures) was considering winding down his extraordinary career.

Hughes recently confirmed to Sherdog.com that he indeed plans on fighting out his current UFC contract, which will have one bout left following his title defense against Georges St. Pierre (Pictures) on Nov. 18, before retiring from active participation in the sport of mixed martial arts.

The question was first broached when Hughes was asked where he saw himself a year from now. “Hopefully retired with my family back home,” the UFC welterweight champion responded.

“In a perfect world” Hughes declared that he would “fight a couple more times, retire, [and] go back home.”

Hughes cited the strain of being away from family, including a newborn daughter, as motivation for hanging up his four-ounce gloves.

The two time UFC champ, who stands at 40-4-0, made it clear he has come to a point where the benefits of fighting are far outweighed by the negatives that come along with it.

Hughes, 33, did leave open the possibility, should he get past a very tough St. Pierre, of moving up in weight to face UFC 185-pound champion Anderson Silva in hopes of becoming the first fighter to concurrently hold UFC titles in multiple weight classes.

[av8rOC]

Be nice to see him fight Silva but lets see....

Obviously he has to fight GSP and that leaves one fight remaining on his contract.

If he beats GSP: he has to fight tonights tuf 4 winner, or so I would expect.

If he loses to GSP: you HAVE to expect a rubbermatch, too much money to be made on that!

I dont see him fighting Silva unless he extends his contract.

[av8rOC]

Lets not forget about BJ Penn either.... That matchup is 1-1 right now with Matt getting his ass kicked for 2 rounds in the second only to take advantage of a Penn rib injury.

Im thinking this retirement talk is a lot of hype for Matt to generate some big money for his next contract, but I am naturally synical:action-sm

[Palerider4146]

Hey folks, sorry I cant make it out to the Island tonight, I'm home alone with little palerider. Hopefully we can get together next week, I'm really looking forward to next weeks card.

I'll be on here later for an improptu watching thread. See you all later.

[PEST BY TRADE]

One hour to go
are there any good under cards tonight
anyone know

[Palerider4146]

Undercards look so so, I was really looking forward to Bisping fight, but his visa didnt come through in time. I'm most interested in the Serra fight, both because he's a local guy and I think it will be the best fight. It's going to be 3 hrs, so I wonder how they plan on stretching it for so long.

[mendozathejew]

edit

[mendozathejew]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=6088

sherdogs live play by play, including the dark matches that have already begun. mccarthy tapped out gideon ray. smith KOd pete sell in what sounds like a violent fight.

clementi vs din thomas might be entertaining. Im surpised they didnt get shonie carter on the card.

I'll honestly be watching the Klitscho vs Brock fight on HBO when that comes on at 10, should be a good scrap

[mendozathejew]

jeremy jackson is fighting pete spratt next. jackson is the guy who fucked the fat lifeguard from the pool and dana kicked out. dana white does not give second chances for shit like that, hes a dickhead.

[PEST BY TRADE]

It's on baby time for some action

It better not be a bore fest

[Palerider4146]

Palerider checking in, what's up boys.

[Palerider4146]

Is that Riggs in babyface's corner?

[mendozathejew]

more commercials than fm radio

[Palerider4146]

Yeah, lots of commercials and filler.

[Palerider4146]

I dont know why, but there is something I just dont like about Clementi, although I am interested in seeing him at LW. He's going to be a huge LW.

[mendozathejew]

wow that was good

my bad on the spoiler, Im a douche

[urine sampler]

Hey fellas what a fuckin finish for smith I thought he was done

[Palerider4146]

Nice fight, I would have liked to see Sell win, but it was a nice showing for both of them, Sell at 23 has lots of potential, just needs to become a smarter fighter (I said smarter fighter, I dont see him going back to college or anything).

[Palerider4146]

Awesome ju jitsu, I never thought it would go so quickly like that. Silva will knock him the fuck out though.

[mendozathejew]

haha six figure contract, over 3 or 4 years. it aint a yearly contract

[Palerider4146]

haha six figure contract, over 3 or 4 years. it aint a yearly contract

Different for this season, they get a straight 100,000 cash, then a 100,000 endorsement deal.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

It supplements knee breaking quite nicely.

[mendozathejew]

Different for this season, they get a straight 100,000 cash, then a 100,000 endorsement deal.
really? thats impressive I hadnt heard that.

[urine sampler]

I fuckin hate hughes I hope GSP finishes him quick

[Palerider4146]

Hey Mendoza, where in jersey are you. I'm sure you noticed a few of us have talked about getting together next weekend, probably out on the island.

[Palerider4146]

Although I like Hughes, if GSP apoligized, then it should be over. Matt has showed his prickness when he was a coach and a trainer. He still is one of my favorite fighters, but for someone who is supposedly so into Jesus/god, he can act like a real prick.

[mendozathejew]

Im only 12 miles outside of the nyc. next weekend Im pretty sure Im headed up to boston, but Id definitely meet up to catch some mma events after that

[Palerider4146]

This is pretty cool, because of all the stoppages, we are getting a bunch of the dark matches. This Kampmann fella is supposed to be pretty good.

[mendozathejew]

holy shit HBO just showed muhammed ali at the garden tonight, about 100 times worse than the last time Ive seen him on tv

[urine sampler]

Here it comes Im takeing the under dog Lytle. Anybody with me

[Palerider4146]

The Danish guy had way to many times to finish that fight but he didnt. Good striker and all, but Silva and Franklin would kick his ass.

Serra for me.

[Palerider4146]

Rogan and Goldberg really called a bad card tonight. They kept on calling the guy from Denmark dutch as if they werent two different countries, and they keep talking about a draw in the serra match. The only way there would be a draw was if someone had a 10-8 round and the other had two 10-9 rounds.

Really close fight, but I hate when judges are all over like that. There is no way that was a 30-27 match for either guy.

[urine sampler]

Either one of these guys have what it takes to beat hughes or GSP

[urine sampler]

Rogan and Goldberg really called a bad card tonight. They kept on calling the guy from Denmark dutch as if they werent two different countries, and they keep talking about a draw in the serra match. The only way there would be a draw was if someone had a 10-8 round and the other had two 10-9 rounds.

Really close fight, but I hate when judges are all over like that. There is no way that was a 30-27 match for either guy.
dude you lost me?

[urine sampler]

what the fuck are they booooing for?

[mendozathejew]

tough fight to call, I thought lytle won


anyone who ever was a boxing fan, watch the count down show on hbo right now for pacquiao morales III, its boxing brutality at its best. pac man has bruce lee movie like speed, the first ttwo fights were brutal

[Palerider4146]

dude you lost me?

It's scored on a 10 point must system, being that the winner of the round must get 10 points and the loser getting 9 or less. You only see a guy get a 8 if he was really dominated in that round, doesnt happen to often. So the only way that the match could have gone to a draw would be the following:

First round: Serra 10-8
Second round: Lytle 10-9
Third round: Lytle 10-9
Final result:28-28 draw

There was no way either guy had a 10-8 round.

[Palerider4146]

The fight really could have went either way, it wasnt a great fight at all, but it wasnt because they didnt try, it was because they were just way to evenly matched up.

[urine sampler]

I hear you that totally could of went both ways Lytle got fucked because they ran out of time it was already after 12

[mendozathejew]

looking at mma message boards, people are in shock, thought lytle won 2 rounds at worst, citing two taking downs to serras 1.

[Cybouncer]

I really wanted Serra to win but I was surprised. I was very impressed with the way Lytle was able to defend Serra's takedown attempts.

If Serra wants to have a shot at Hughes or GSP, he had better get in better shape and tighten up his game. Either one of those two would have made him pay tonight...

[mendozathejew]

serra has very very short arms, and I think thats one reason he cant get guys down easily. din thomas with his reach kept serra away for a whole fight, and that was at lightweight. at 170 hes gona have a real tough time getting guys down, especially from the clinch.

[Cromwell]

Congrats to Matt Serra for getting the split decision on a very close fight. I thought the fact that he pressed the action for most of the fight is the reason why he got the nod at the end.

But - there's no way he can beat either of Hughes or GSP.

Din Thomas looked good but Clementi just quit. He practically put Thomas' arm around his own neck for him. Very weak, IMO.

The kid from Denmark was a good striker. Not a lot of power but very accurate.

Travis Lutter's ju-jitsu is sick. After all that talk of him barely making weight and being dehydrated, he made mince-meat of the so-called "Predator".

Lutter is a force to be reckoned with. If he can stay away from Silva's strikes (a big if I know) - and take it to the ground - it could be interesting.

[Palerider4146]

Yeah, a bunch of the MMA message boards have keyboard commandos saying the serra deciscion was a UFC fix mannnnnn! That's obsurd, in this day and age, I really believe the NSAC is above fixing a MMA match for the UFC.

Like I said above, it's absurd either fighter was awarded a 30-27, no less the deciscion that was handed down, but that is what happens when you leave it up to the judges. I think the fact that Serra was the aggressor helped him. Lytle's back was to the cage for a majority of the match.

Serra had a true takedown, but Lytle did an amazing job keeping his guard. In regards to Lytles takedowns, IMO, one wasnt a takedown so much as Serra purposely pulling guard to try and work from the bottom, which landed Lytle in to a nice Omoplata and almost a real tight armbar, had that been tighter, you may have seen a sub. I dont know if the judges differentiate between a takedown and a guy pulling guard.

Like I said above, this was a boring match, but not because the fighters didnt try, I think it was more because these guys were so evenly matched they neutralized each other and caused a 15 min stalemate.

[Kid Brock]

I hear you that totally could of went both ways Lytle got fucked because they ran out of time it was already after 12


The only reason they went after 12 though is because at first they were running short and they went back and showed the first fight of the night with the Denmark kid and the Brazilian. That was supposed to be the dark match they just needed it to fill up the slot.

[Cybouncer]

Yeah, I got fucked too. I TIVO'd the thing and it got cut off right before the decision.

[Palerider4146]

I'm trying to do some research in regards to round scoring, I may have been wrong on my assesment that in the 10 point must system there must be a winner per round. Some stuff that I have read suggests that they may actually be able to score a round 10-10. Does anyone else have any info in regards to this.

[mendozathejew]

aleks emelianenko lost sunday in an mma event in denmark (I think). fabricio werdum beat him pretty easily with an arm triangle choke. maybe this makes it easier for him to move to ufc, hopefully dana white isnt afraid of aleks beating sylvia, monson, and/or AA after he has lost his 2 of his last 3 to fighters in pride. hes young and has alot of upside

for those of you that havent seen aleks, as you can see in these photos hes a true sociopath, did 5 years in prison, has russian mafia tats on his shoulders, which he denies. his tats are very debated, hes got german on his back some say is suspiciously nazi like others say isnt at all. who knows, hes a russian redneck
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9789/6089kg5.jpghttp://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8531/32129267500500vwssmf6.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/11590sp0.jpg[/URL]

[Palerider4146]

As Jimmy would say, he looks like he could be a problem.

[av8rOC]

fuck if Adolph Hitler could kick Sylvia's ass and add depth to the UFC HW division I say sign his ass. the more crazy the better....its a fucking fight!!

[wes mantooth]

Yeah, I got fucked too. I TIVO'd the thing and it got cut off right before the decision.

Same here. I was pissed yesterday morning when my DVR didn't capture the whole night. I passed out at the start of the Serra fight but it doesn't look like I missed that much. The Sell/Smith fight fucking rocked though.

[Cromwell]

Same here. I was pissed yesterday morning when my DVR didn't capture the whole night. I passed out at the start of the Serra fight but it doesn't look like I missed that much.



Like Palerider said - it *was* a good fight in terms of competition Two evenly matched guys trying to assert their wills over each other. Not a lot of punches thrown, but that's because Serra kept trying to take Lytle down, and Chris spent most of his time countering that.



The Sell/Smith fight fucking rocked though.

That really was a cool slugfest.

The ending was the most unpredictable thing I've ever seen.

How Smith still had that one last shot left in him, after taking that rib-crusher from Sell - quite impressive.

And Pete - learn a lesson from this - *always* keep your hands up. Had you done that, you would have won.

[Palerider4146]

That really was a cool slugfest.

The ending was the most unpredictable thing I've ever seen.

How Smith still had that one last shot left in him, after taking that rib-crusher from Sell - quite impressive.

And Pete - learn a lesson from this - *always* keep your hands up. Had you done that, you would have won.


I wonder if Smith got struck in the solarplexus and got the wind knocked out of him. He looked just like Charles McCarthy after he got spinning back kicked by the crow. Great fight and looking forward to seeing the two of them back in the UFC.

[Boratfan]

Din Thomas and Jorge Rivera looked really good, and much improved, on the card. Din Thomas is gonna do very well in the 155 lb division, i see him climbing the ranks quickly. With the MW division being weak i can see Jorge racking up some victories and eventually getting a shot at the title.

[Cromwell]

QUOTE=Palerider4146]I wonder if Smith got struck in the solarplexus and got the wind knocked out of him. He looked just like Charles McCarthy after he got spinning back kicked by the crow. Great fight and looking forward to seeing the two of them back in the UFC.[/QUOTE]

Smith was really hurt. That was a direct rib crusher. Sell moved in for the kill but he dropped his hands and paid dearly for it.


Din Thomas and Jorge Rivera looked really good, and much improved, on the card. Din Thomas is gonna do very well in the 155 lb division, i see him climbing the ranks quickly. With the MW division being weak i can see Jorge racking up some victories and eventually getting a shot at the title.

I agree. Rivera did look impressive. I guess he really wanted to make up for his mediorce showing during the TUF show.

Thomas has good skills - but can he fend off the takedown attempts from Sherk?

[Palerider4146]

Din Thomas and Jorge Rivera looked really good, and much improved, on the card. Din Thomas is gonna do very well in the 155 lb division, i see him climbing the ranks quickly. With the MW division being weak i can see Jorge racking up some victories and eventually getting a shot at the title.

The only thing about Jorge, is that his comeback wasnt so much from time off as it was some tough recent losses in the UFC. His last fight was just last January when Leben KOd him. He's a tough guy, but I really think he needs to get some wins behind him first. Leben would deserve a title shot before him. Unfortunately for Leben, we know how his last fight against Silva went. Jorge also lost to Silva in a different organization.

As for Lutter vs Silva, it could be interesting depending on how quick Lutter could get him to the ground. There is a video of Lutter vs Pele, who is a very good Muay Thai fighter (as far as I know, not as good as silva). Lutter got him down to the ground and eventually slipped in a nice armbar to sub him.

I have only seen Silva fight in his two UFC fights and he was very impressive. I dont think I have seen as good of a striker yet.

[Boratfan]

Even though "The Crow" doesn't deserve a title shot(especially cause he's lost every match since his fight with Franklin...) i'd love to see him face Silva. That would be a very quick match but with some world class striking.

[av8rOC]

Even though "The Crow" doesn't deserve a title shot(especially cause he's lost every match since his fight with Franklin...) i'd love to see him face Silva. That would be a very quick match but with some world class striking.

he has only fought Swick since right?

regardless, that is a fight I would like to see.

[Boratfan]

he has only fought Swick since right?

regardless, that is a fight I would like to see.


Your right, for some reason i thought he fought a couple of times. Swick deserves the next shot after Lutter.

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

[Palerider4146]

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

Melvin Guillard at LW, he really is one of them most explosive fighters I have seen. Has he gets a bit older, mature and experienced, he may threaten Sherk soon.

[urine sampler]

Melvin Guillard at LW, he really is one of them most explosive fighters I have seen. Has he gets a bit older, mature and experienced, he may threaten Sherk soon.

I agree about melvin he is one bad dude but Dieago been held off long enough I think hes next.

[Larz]

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

Diego Sanchez, the guy is relentless and has endless stamina. Why is he getting leapfrogged at 170 by GSP and Serra? Sanchez is undefeated in UFC and is 17-0 in totall MMA fights.

His fight with Caro Parysian was awesome. I'm a Judo guy and was rooting for Parysian but Sanchez really impressed me. Overall a classic fight for anyone interested in Judo vs. Jiujitsu grappling.

[Larz]

From what I've seen of Sanchez he would destroy Serra. Serra gets gassed and has zero power, his ground and pound is total shit. To me the guy is totally overrated.

And his fucking footstomp is really annoying. I get a good chuckle everytime they run the highlight film of Shonie pimp slapping him.

[Cromwell]

Heres a good question for everyone...

Who will be the first Ultimate Fighter from seasons 1-3 to win a title???

I don't think he'll be the first - but I think Kendall Grove will get there eventually. He has excellent ju jitsu skills, great cardio and has improved dramatically with each fight.

I think he is going to continue to surprise people.

I could see him beating Sanchez.

[av8rOC]

Diego has a shot at the belt only if GSP leaves the UFC someday. I agree with Palerider in that Guillard has a better chance in his weight class. Hell even Forrest has a better shot at LHW then Deigo does at WW.

[av8rOC]

Loiseau out of the UFC:

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

bummer

[Boratfan]

Loiseau out of the UFC:

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

bummer

Man... thats the crappy thing about UFC.. u lose a couple of fights and suddenly your on your ass. If the Crow goes to Pride or IFL.. he will do very well.

[urine sampler]

Diego has a shot at the belt only if GSP leaves the UFC someday. I agree with Palerider in that Guillard has a better chance in his weight class. Hell even Forrest has a better shot at LHW then Deigo does at WW.

I think your might be right even when GSP wins then Serra Losses then there gonna give Hughes A rematch. So Deiago got at least 9 months before he gets a shot the only way he might get one sooner is if Hughes wins (highly unlikely).
Forrest is good but I dont see him being able to beat Liddel.

[av8rOC]

I dont either, for a while. Liddell is getting old, hes pushing 40 though. I think Forrest will be able to beat him in a few years. I was just saying between Hughes and GSP @ 170 Diego has very little chance of winning a belt.

[Larz]

Is Serra guaranteed the next title shot or is it dependent on Hughes winning?

[urine sampler]

Yeah I think they said feb.
Fuckin waist of time.
Il agree with you av8roc that GSP would be tough even Penn but Im telling you hughes aint as tough as you think.

[Boratfan]

I'm gonna check out the fight tommorow night at McCanns Pub # 2 Massapequea NY 516 798-1496. I'll be wearing an orange David Wright Mets shirt. Give me a tap and introduce yourself if your gonna be there tommorow night. Event begins at 10:00.. be there or be square.

[Palerider4146]

Unfortuantely I have to work tonight and cant get out of it. But I definetly want to get together with you guys next time I can.

[mendozathejew]

Man... thats the crappy thing about UFC.. u lose a couple of fights and suddenly your on your ass. If the Crow goes to Pride or IFL.. he will do very well.
he wont be able to use his elbows in pride

[Palerider4146]

he wont be able to use his elbows in pride

Good point Jew, good point!!! The crow is most lethal from his ground and pound elbows.


BTW, what's everyone think of tonights card. You have to like any card that has two title fights on it. The Snowman has quickly become a favorite of mine and I'm hoping to see a nice armbar sub.

The GSP/Hughes fight doesnt need much hype.

Supposedly Mir has been spotted in shape and if so, his fight with Vera could be very interesting and telling for both their futures.

James Irvin always has exciting fights. And Joe Stevenson is debuting at 155, which should be real interesting. I bet his fight weight is going to be close to 185.

Hey Cromwell, I'm still looking forward to getting together with you and some of the others for a fight in the future.

[Cromwell]

Hey Cromwell, I'm still looking forward to getting together with you and some of the others for a fight in the future.

I'm not sure we're the same weight class :icon_mrgr :rolleyes:

[Captain_Spaulding]

anyone watching the UFC 65 pay per view? How is it going? I couldn't get this one but I am getting the next one for sure.

[urine sampler]

its nuts nothing went past the 1st round yet

[Captain_Spaulding]

Wow, lame. Has the Hughes fight started yet? Can you post round by round when it does? Thanks man,

[urine sampler]

jjust watched 5 rounds of crap with Silvia/monson Silva retained Hughes on next I dont type fast enuff for that go to serdog for play by play come back after 1 Il tell you all about it

[urine sampler]

Congrats to GSP walked right throu Hughes. Are any of you hughes fans still gonna call me crazy when I say hes all washed up?

[Steam]

Just read that GSP won. Fucking nice! Hughes is awesome but seeing him on The Ultimate Fighter made me realize what a cockbag he is. Taunting GSP at that meal was fucking ridiculous. Karma just gave ol' farmboy a nice swift kick to the gut. No pun intended.

[Larz]

It looked like Hughes was working in Slo-Mo, GSP read him like an open book and dropped him. That kick to the head was vicious.

[av8rOC]

Great night, Silva the Oaf aside.

Brandon Vera will be the next HW champ, and I believe he will get the next shot. I've never heard anyone booed so loud as Silva was, he is so boring its ridiculous. Big John had to stop the fight in the third to warn them for being so lame.
GSP proved what Penn exposed....Hughes has had a nice ride, but he is nowhere near the best at 170 any longer. Glad to see GSP wearing the belt, you can tell he is a genuinely nice guy.

[highway23]

Kick to the head:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

entire fight (No sound) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Kick to the head:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0

entire fight (No sound) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFu0a_NKOa0
booo, yoinked already:icon_evil

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow, Hughes got knocked the fuck out.

Thought Jesus was on his side? "whaa"

[Steam]

Thought Jesus was on his side? "whaa"

I don't think Jesus really supports asshats.

[Palerider4146]

[quote=av8rOC]Great night, Silva the Oaf aside.

Brandon Vera will be the next HW champ, and I believe he will get the next shot. I've never heard anyone booed so loud as Silva was, he is so boring its ridiculous. Big John had to stop the fight in the third to warn them for being so lame.
[quote=av8rOC]

I'm not going to disagree with you, with the exception of a nice jiu jitsu match in the 3rd and 4th rounds, the fight was poor. Although I'm not a big Sylvia fan, I dont blame him. Monson gassed in the 3rd round. Takes a lot of oxygen to keep feeding all that muscle he has and some of those big muscle guys are going to gas quicker than a guy like Sylvia or even Vera. Tim knew he had the fight won in the 4th, and he did hold back. From a fan's point of view it sucked, but I'm not the one trying to keep the belt and win the winner's purse. He did what he had to do to win the fight without taking a chance of getting KOd or subbed.

In regards to Hughes, he isnt washed up, the guy got beat, but dont think for a minute he wont be back in Iowa to work on his gameplan again. I've been a Hughes fan, but GSP has quickly grown on me, especially when I've seen some of the hypocricy that Matt spews sometimes. GSP is going to make a great champion, but you know Matt will want to beat him one last time and retire champ. That said, amazing fight by GSP, he completely owned him. His confidence will only grow now. Question is does Matt get a rematch before Serra's shot. I'm not sure how long the suspension for a stoppage is.

BTW, did anyone catch the little interaction between GSP and Dana and the Fertitta bros. GSP got really excited and said something to the affect of "Montreal!!! That is my dream, oh my god!" and "Your not kidding?". My guess is Hughes/GSP II will be the UFCs first Canadian show right in GSPs backyard. Hopefully the Canadian fans wont be as classless as the fans in Sacramento who insisted on starting USA chants. I'm as patriotic as they come, but those two guys fighting has nothing to do with national pride.

Stevenson looked good, but so could I if some Jap kept sticking his head into my armpit so that I could guillotine him.

My guess is Sylvia/Vera sometime in February, maybe the big superbowl card. Mir may be done in the UFC for a while, he looked in much better shape, but I dont think his head is there right now. He's a very young guy, so he may just need some confidence building fights in one of the smaller shows for now.

So why exactly did the in shape patrice go down? That Dutch kickboxer looked real good from the striking standpoint, but could still use a lot of work on his ground game. Will look forward to seeing him fight a bit more. A big striker like that could be interesting vs Sylvia.

[Larz]

Although I'm not a big Sylvia fan, I dont blame him.

I'm not a Sylvia fan either but I gotta say, I actually enjoyed the fight from a tactical perspective. The guy really went in prepared and totally neutalized Monson, even reversed him a couple of times on the ground. Its a real sport afterall, not the WWF. Not every fight can be flashy especially in the HW class, and Sylvia gave a clinic on how a striker takes on a worldclass grappler. He used his height advantage, kept monson at bay with the jab, and broke him down mentally. There were a lot of boos, but in the last minute or so Monson totally gave up, hell he was just laying there on his back as sylvia peppered him with those insult kicks. Sure there was no KO, but Monson got KOed psychologically, good stuff in my book.

[Larz]

My 2 fav Highlights for the Hughes GSP fight (besides that sick kick)

GSP flying punch: I swear I could see the imprint of his fist on Hughes forehead.

GSP Leg Sweep: That was just so OMG amazingly insulting, putting hughes on his ass with a sweep.

GSP just showed it all, true MMA vs a 1.5 dimensional fighter. Hughes made it this far not as much from his grappling, but from stamina, heart and pure strength. Gotta give him props but GSP is really what MMA is all about.

[mendozathejew]

I'm not a Sylvia fan either but I gotta say, I actually enjoyed the fight from a tactical perspective. good stuff in my book.

ugh its horrible on every level. if you want to see heavyweights impress you on the ground check out barnett vs nog in prides gp from a few months ago, or barnett and werdum in the previous round.

ufc hw fights are ubearable, hopefully vera can atleast make it entertaining if he can off sylvia. fedors brother isnt perfect like him, but hed add excitement. vera and aleks would atleast be heavyweights who put on a performance.

by the way, if any of you are interested in downloading fights, theres a boxing message board that has an mma forum. only an email address is required to sign up, and you can download pretty much every ppv card the following day. doghouseboxing.com

[Larz]

I agree with you on the UFC HW, the fights just aren't as dynamic as the other classes, however Sylvia was taking a lot of shit for playing defense, lots of boos at the bar where I watched. I just saw it as good tactics, and coming from a ground fighting background myself I was surprised at how he zeroed out monson on the ground.

I have a bunch of Pride fights in my library, Fedor i know will eat Silvia for breakfast but I've never seen the brother to be honest. Does that site have any of his fights you'd reccomend?

[mendozathejew]

I have a bunch of Pride fights in my library, Fedor i know will eat Silvia for breakfast but I've never seen the brother to be honest. Does that site have any of his fights you'd reccomend?
yeah check out page 4 of the download thread. aleks vs sergei kharitonov, that was 2 fights ago for aleks, great ending.

[Larz]

hey thanks man, and after watching the fight i realize this guy fought crocop a couple years ago, i have it on disk somewhere gonna rewatch it.

[Palerider4146]

I dont want to start another UFC vs Pride thing here, but IMO if Fedor and Sylvia ever faced off, I do think Fedor would win, but I dont think it will be the massacare all would expect. This last fight made me respect Sylvia a bit more. He really prepared for this fight, that sprawl was awesome, although helped out by the 11 inch height difference and he also used his height to a great advantage in the guard. Monson could not get around that guard for most of the fight. He also defended Monson's choke attempts amazingly, even almost reversing him into his own chokes, to bad Monson doesnt have a neck.

The thing that impressed me the most though was his cardio. He looked fresh at the end of the match, after 25 minutes of fighting. Monson mentally tapped about the 3rd or 4th round. He is a world class athlete who gassed before that puggy bastard. I still would like to see Sylvia drop like 30 pounds to look a bit more like a fighter. In the past because of his physical appearanct, I never gave him the respect, but after Sat night, I may need to change my mind a bit.

[urine sampler]

I hear ya about Silvia, Pale he did look good that night although I cant stand him. I think he will retain again next time aganst Vera because of the same issue.Veras to small he should be a lhw.The only person in the UFC that should be able to beat him is Arlovski if he dont fight his fight again he has to give him some takedowns to worry about so he drops his hands some.

[Cromwell]

In regards to Hughes, he isnt washed up, the guy got beat, but dont think for a minute he wont be back in Iowa to work on his gameplan again. I've been a Hughes fan, but GSP has quickly grown on me, especially when I've seen some of the hypocricy that Matt spews sometimes. GSP is going to make a great champion, but you know Matt will want to beat him one last time and retire champ. That said, amazing fight by GSP, he completely owned him. His confidence will only grow now. Question is does Matt get a rematch before Serra's shot. I'm not sure how long the suspension for a stoppage is.

Quoted for truth.

Hughes simply goes back into the pack. I look forward to seeing him fight Diego and possibly Penn again. Or even Kendall Grove for that matter.

Why has no one here mentioned the two low blows to Hughes early in the match? Was neither of those a factor?

I'm not saying he would have won - but clearly it has an effect on you. Even GSP said in his post-match interview that he had seen Hughes comeback from early round adversity and didn't want to give him a chance to do so agian.

Hey - there's nothing *not* to like about GSP. He will be a great champion, most-likely for as long of a run as Hughes had.

[Palerider4146]

Quoted for truth.

Hughes simply goes back into the pack. I look forward to seeing him fight Diego and possibly Penn again. Or even Kendall Grove for that matter.

Why has no one here mentioned the two low blows to Hughes early in the match? Was neither of those a factor?

I'm not saying he would have won - but clearly it has an effect on you. Even GSP said in his post-match interview that he had seen Hughes comeback from early round adversity and didn't want to give him a chance to do so agian.

Hey - there's nothing *not* to like about GSP. He will be a great champion, most-likely for as long of a run as Hughes had.
There was some mention in some of the other MMA forums that during the post fight interview, Hughes said the low blows didnt affect him and if anything affected GSP more since he had to be more careful when trying to land those shin strikes to the thigh.I started to wonder if GSP had been training with Keith Hackney. I would love to see a vid cap of the second groin shot when you can see GSP's toes landing right on his sac. They do where cups, so I wonder how much is actually felt.

[mendozathejew]

I dont want to start another UFC vs Pride thing here, but IMO if Fedor and Sylvia ever faced off, I do think Fedor would win, but I dont think it will be the massacare all would expect. .

fedor would **** sylvia. cro cop might make him a cripple. barnett and nog would tap him. monson is a good submission grappler, not a great submission mma fighter. he has zero imrpessive subs to mention in mma. its a difference in physical capabilities, speed power and overall athleticism. Arlovski had it, but not the fire or chin to finish tim. tims sprawl doesnt impressive me against physically limited fighters.

[av8rOC]

Trust me, Dana knows full well how little fans think of Sylvia, hence he cant headline his own PPV and the rumours of signing Aleks. His reign as UFC champ will be very shortlived, IMO his next fight against Vera will end it.

[urine sampler]

I dont think Vera gonna be able only because of his size.
Hell Silvia should take the fighter evrybody loves to hate angle it works for wrestling

[av8rOC]

Did you see Vera get in the cage when Tim called him out? There is only a difference of a few inches. Brandon has a great reach as well.

Combine that with Vera's superior talent and you have yourself a new HW champ.

[urine sampler]

I hope your right I think they said he is 6-2 230lbs thats Liddells size after a weekend of partying.Speaking of Liddell how do you think he would do with there similar styles?

[Larz]

If vera could cut weight to 205 he'd be the guy to give liddell a real challenge.
I just don't see Ortiz getting it done.

[urine sampler]

Ortiz is defenetly not getting it done.
Also Larz I didnt mean Liddell for Vera I ment for Silvia.
P.S how about that James Irvin fight. Sweet fuckin KO.

[Chino Kapone]

i watched the fight at hooters. it was great!! i could have won alot of money if i would have bet on gsp, he just looked more prepared for the fight than hughes did. i was not impressed with hughes at all.

i have watched the last two ppvs and have noticed that both franklin and hughes, who both seem to be very dominant, got their asses handed to them. i called both hughes and franklin to lose, and really wish i had the opportunity to bet on those events. anderson silva is a beast and i dont see him losing anytime soon. gsp is going to be a great champ, he is very humble and i really like the way he conducts himself in and outta the ring.

the rubes chanting "usa! usa!" dont know or understand shit about the sport. this isnt the wwe, its not like they are bringing a fighter from iraq to fight.

[novalia]

everybody loses in mma..

[Chino Kapone]

everybody loses in mma..

no they dont....

[novalia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5QgIoBKJxM

[Larz]

Also Larz I didnt mean Liddell for Vera I ment for Silvia.


Liddell is the last of Dana's old guard golden boys, he's a draw and I'm not so sure they wanna risk him getting tarnished by a loss against someone like Sylvia.

Having said that, I'd bet at 225-230 he would be a slight favorite vs Sylvia. Sylvia is a bore but fights smart and has freak size, it wouldn't be a one-sided fight.

One things for sure though, UFC needs to bring in some real HW talent, and after Ortiz goes down LHW will also be sucking wind.

Anyone know why pride has such better fighters in HW?

[Chino Kapone]

no they dont....

sorry, this maybe a more appropriate response....

DO THEY?!?!?

[Larz]

the rubes chanting "usa! usa!" dont know or understand shit about the sport. this isnt the wwe, its not like they are bringing a fighter from iraq to fight.

I've competed in Judo from 1st grade through highschool.
I've competed wrestling from highschool through college.
I've been screwing around with boxing/Muay Thai for about 4 years and done club fights.

Never in a million years would I even think about setting foot in the shittiest MMA competition, you gotta respect these guys especially at the top level. Even if it was some smelly Iranian waving around a Koran vs. Hughes, I don't think I'd get into an 'America Fuck Yeah' mode.

[av8rOC]

I've competed in Judo from 1st grade through highschool.
I've competed wrestling from highschool through college.
I've been screwing around with boxing/Muay Thai for about 4 years and done club fights.

Never in a million years would I even think about setting foot in the shittiest MMA competition, you gotta respect these guys especially at the top level. Even if it was some smelly Iranian waving around a Koran vs. Hughes, I don't think I'd get into an 'America Fuck Yeah' mode.

I agree...I cringe so bad when the fans start booing or doing the USA chant. The good news is GSP's next defense will be in Montreal and Im sure the crowd will be great.

[mendozathejew]

Anyone know why pride has such better fighters in HW?

pride pays much much more generously. in japan they can sell out large arenas. in terms of internaitonal talent, they get first crack nine out of ten times in all weight divisions

[av8rOC]

pride pays much much more generously. in japan they can sell out large arenas. in terms of internaitonal talent, they get first crack nine out of ten times in all weight divisions

Not so true anymore.... Pride's recent financial troubles (lack of a tv deal, association with Japanes organized crime) has caused them to cut back on fighter pay. For example, Mirko pulling out of the GP a couple of months ago because they were only paying him 150k or for both fights.

It was just reported in a Toronto newspaper that GSP will receive over 500k for saturdays fight after bonuses. Tito and Chuck get in the neighborhood of 300k a fight, etc etc..

I think you will start to see more and more talent leaving Pride ala Rampage unless Pride can secure a TV deal or sell some PPV's in the US.

[av8rOC]

I agree...I cringe so bad when the fans start booing or doing the USA chant. The good news is GSP's next defense will be in Montreal and Im sure the crowd will be great.

Edit: Next defense will be Feb 3rd in Vegas. Rematch with Hughes in Montreal:)

[mendozathejew]

pride just has to restructure its business, they still paid obcene money to fedor to fight coleman. cro cop pulled out because of the way they pay for the gp. the finalists dont get extra money, cro cop protested and they gave in and paid.

[mendozathejew]

At a press conference today, Pride General Manager Nobuhiko Takada announced that Pride Heavyweight Champion Fedor Emelianenko will defend his title against Mark Hunt at Pride’s Shockwave show on New Year's Eve.

This match-up is the first confirmed fight for Pride’s most highly anticipated event of the year. Fedor is coming off of a win over Mark Coleman at Pride 32: The Real Deal, while Hunt looks to rebound from a loss to Josh Barnett at the second round of Pride's Open Weight Grand Prix. Fedor is the #1 Heavyweight in the MMAWeekly Rankings, while Hunt is the #9 Heavyweight.

Previously, Pride announced a list of fighters who may participate at Shockwave:

-Mauricio “Shogun” Rua
-Kazuyuki Fujita
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
-Josh Barnett
-Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic
-Wanderlei Silva
-Hidehiko Yoshida
-Takanori Gomi
-Dan Henderson


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