Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Kyle]

Did anyone see the weigh ins? I notitced in the pic that Lutter shaved his head, I wonder if his head was shaved at the initial weigh in and if he shaved to lose a bit of weight.

That's what was being reported about it.

[Palerider4146]

Heh! This article is sure to anger (or make laugh) many of you on here (espeically you, Mendoza). Its Fox Sports top 10 pound-for-pound MMA fighters

Especially who they don't list at Number 1:

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6361404

I'll say this, although I dont totally agree with it, it isnt bad, I've seen much worse pfps out there. I give Fox credit, I surely expected them to ignore Pride, but they were well represented. Makes you really think what would happen with Chuck vs Fedor. I did expect to see Wanderlai further up, but it wasnt a horribile list.

[SnuggleBug]

In the words of the great Sgt. Hartman "Only steers and queers come from Texas."

Not to be an ass, but he is a Gunny, therefore his rank would be GySgt Hartman. Hee Hee

[mendozathejew]

Makes you really think what would happen with Chuck vs Fedor..

come on now. stop it

[MacOSX]

Allright!

Here we go.

Anyone else watching the PPV?
(I can only respond once every 15 minutes, due to my post count)
So, if you are watching it, F-IN A!
If not, buy it now and watch.;)

Under the spoiler is what sherdog has for the undercard fights so far.

Diego Saraiva (Pictures) vs. Dustin Hazelett (Pictures)
Round 1
Hazelett controlled much of the first round on the feet, then later scored with some punishment from the top position on the ground. Saraiva was able to reverse at one point, but the match was restarted to standing after a stalemate. Hazelett takes the first round on the Sherdog.com scorecard, 10-9.

Round 2
Hazelett comes out and lands some solid shots to his opponent's chin. Hazelett scores a takedown. Dustin is controlling the fight and picking his shots on the ground. With a minute left in the round, Saraiva was able to sweep and land some elbows from Hazelett's half-guard. Sherdog.com gives the second stanza to Dustin Hazelett, 10-9.

Round 3
Hazelett looks tired as he steps forward to start round 3. Hazelett lands a kick to the head of Diego. Diego switches levels and slams Hazelett to the mat. Saraiva rides the top position for a few minutes without doing any damage. The ref stands the fighters up. Hazelett lands a few punches but Saraiva counters with a trip takedown. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Saraiva. The offical scorecards all read 30-27 for the winner by unanimous decision, Dustin Hazelett.

Sam Hoger (Pictures) vs. Ryoto Machida (Pictures)
Round 1
Ryoto dropped Hoger three times in the round with the same technique; countering a lazy Hoger kick with a stright punch to the chin. With about 1:40 left in the round, Ryoto scored a body lock takedown. Hoger landed a few shots in the round and went for an ankle lock but the first frame goes to Machida, 10-9.

Round 2
Again Ryoto drops Hoger after catching a lazy low kick. Ryoto does some damage in Hoger's guard. Hoger takes several shots while trying to escape to his feet. Hoger hooks a leg and attempts a submission but Ryoto punishes him for it. Ryoto lands two knees to the chin of Hoger. Hoger falls down and Ryoto enters his guard. he lands some punches and moves to mount before laying a beating on Hoger. The round ends. 10-8 for Machida.

Round 3
Ryoto lands another left straight. He follows with some kicks to the body. Ryoto scores another takedown and mounts. Hoger escapes to his feet but eats more punishment. Ryoto roughing him up with kicks to the body and a straight, snapping left. Hoger is showing lots of heart but he is being outclassed. Ryoto punctuates the fight with a big left hand as the horn sounds to end the final round. 10-9 for Machida. All three judges score the fight 30-27 for Machida.

Frank Edgar (Pictures) vs. Tyson Griffin (Pictures)
Round 1
Edgar scores a few takedowns in the opening round. Edgar with some strong punching from Griffin's guard. Tyson works to his feet and scores a takedown of his own. after a scramble, Edgar takes Griffin back down to the mat. He passes to half guard and lands some strong shots to Griffin's head. First round goes to Edgar, 10-9.

Round 2
This is turning out to be an awesome contest. Griffin comes out and lands a few hard shots. Edgar scores a takedown but can't hold Griffin down. Griffin stands up and delivers a series of lowkicks that send Edgar to the canvas. Edgar scrambles and ends up in mount. He lands some shots on Griffin before Tyson escaped the bad position. Sherdog.com scores the close round 10-9 for Griffin.

Round 3
Edgar lays a beating on the gassed out Griffin for the first four minutes of the round. With about 50 seconds left in the fight, Griffin rolled into a kneebar. The hold was very tight as Edgar screamed and pounded the mat but he rolled out and dropped some punches down on his opponent's head. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Edgar. The judges rule 29-28 x2 and 30-27 for the winner by unanimous decision, Frankie Edgar.

Terry Martin (Pictures) vs. Jorge Rivera (Pictures)
Round 1
Terry Martin knocks Rivera out cold just 14 seconds into the bout. Rivera came out and threw a lowkick that was caught by Martin. Terry dropped him to the mat and landed 3 straight right hand bombs that put Rivera to sleep.

[Aizazzle]

Patrick Cote def. Scott Smith (via Unanimous Decision 30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson def. Marvin Eastman via TKO (strikes) in Round 2.


Roger Huerta def. John Halverson via TKO (strikes) in Round 1.

Mirko CroCop def. Eddie Sanchez via TKO (strikes) in Round 1.
Crocop made sanchez look like his bitch

Anderson Silva def. Travis Lutter via Submission (strikes) in Round 2.

[( . Y . )]

All in all decent ppv. My favorite fight of the night was Frank Edgar vs. Tyson Griffin, damn that kneebar was deep.

Crocop coming out to pride theme made me laugh as did the rampage/eastman staredown.

one thing that still turns me off when watching ufc events are the crowd booing, which is why i mainly watch k1max and bushido.

[Larz]

I can't help but think that if Lutter's head was in the right place and he had made weight there could have been a big upset. Sucks to be him. Nice triangle by Silva though, you can't discount a striker being able to win off his back (even if the elbows were a little suspect).

[highfive]

All in all the PPV was not great.......you had the debuts of two great fighters but the fights were nothing special. I understand that you can't throw them into the ring with the best fighters right away however the main event was crap from the start. If the feature fight was between two solid fighter I would not mind. Then......a guy who won a chance to fight for the title by wining TUF (a chance he never deserved) does not make weight? That is a complete joke. The should take away his contract and put him in the ring with Cro Cop. That should teach him to make weight.

[Cybouncer]

Heh! This article is sure to anger (or make laugh) many of you on here (espeically you, Mendoza). Its Fox Sports top 10 pound-for-pound MMA fighters

Especially who they don't list at Number 1:

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6361404


I'm not really that bent about this article either. I don't necessarily agree with the top 3's order, but I do agree with the top 3. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Fortunately, we could find out real soon how Chuck & CroCop match up.

Hypothetically, if CroCop beats Chuck, then you can argue that the order should be Fedor, CroCop, and Chuck. This is where I think it should be anyway.


Last nights PPV was pretty ho hum. Not bad, but I wasn't all that thrilled with the match ups. They looked better on paper. Sanchez just annoyed me with the running away.

[anez_98]

just noticed that nbcsports.com has a ufc page. pretty cool stuff, seeing a major media outlet get behind it.

http://www.nbcsports.com/ufc/index.html

[Cybouncer]

I don't know if this was posted before but holy shit!

Nasty Kick! (http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=15687)





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[Barely Legal]

All in all the PPV was not great.......you had the debuts of two great fighters but the fights were nothing special. I understand that you can't throw them into the ring with the best fighters right away however the main event was crap from the start. If the feature fight was between two solid fighter I would not mind.
Agreed. The quality of opponent for Crocop and Jackson was the main reason I didn't order this PPV. I've seen these two go up against world class fighters in Pride FC and didn't feel the need to see them go up against a couple of UFC jobbers (although I think Jackson's best days are now well behind him). The only reason Jackson is in UFC is for Liddell to avenge his loss to him back in Pride's Final Conflict '03. I'd pay to see Liddell/Jackson rematch (that Liddell will win) and the eventual tie-breaking rematch.

[mendozathejew]

Hypothetically, if CroCop beats Chuck, then you can argue that the order should be Fedor, CroCop, and Chuck. This is where I think it should be anyway.

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.

thats the type of garbage that makes hardcore mma fans hate ufc fans. which is an attitude I try not to have. I think Chuck beats wanderlei in that fantasy match up of pride vs ufc.

but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.

[Larz]

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.


but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.

And the reason is quite clear... he's never had a title defense against a true striker. Everyone knows about how much of a nightmare he is for ground fighters but its been years since he faced anyone that can actually throw a punch. He just hasn't been tested.

[Fredo Corleone]

travis lutter gets caught in an awful lot of submissions (guillotine vs lindland) and attempted one of the worst armbars in recent memory. i'm starting to wonder about his black belt.

[Cromwell]

All the results when exactly as expected.

Lutter did well in the first round, though - was able to take Silva down a few times and get to side mount.

But, I think he understimated Anderson's ju-jitsu skills.

[( . Y . )]

is mma popular enough to get a subforum like wrestling and fantasy league?

[Cybouncer]

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.

thats the type of garbage that makes hardcore mma fans hate ufc fans. which is an attitude I try not to have. I think Chuck beats wanderlei in that fantasy match up of pride vs ufc.

but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.


You're probably correct.

I think that the UFC does a much better job marketing it's product to the "Mildly interested" fans where as Pride is geared more towards the fan who knows MMA.

That article was probably written by someone who doesn't know the sport, but read about it on Wikipedia or watched a season of TUF.

[mendozathejew]

a few interesting things that came out of the post fight press conference-

cro cop skipped it entirely, and apparently already had butted heads with dana white over this earlier. cro cop apparently does as he pleases, that cant go well with dana white.

dana white made kinda a peace offering to pride, k1, and japan in general. he said ufc and pride clearly has the best talent, but hed love to do an event in japan with gomi and kid, who he said would be champions in the UFC. he said hed like to do a joint promotion in japan.

[MacOSX]

I don't know if this was posted before but holy shit!

Nasty Kick! (http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=15687)





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:shocked:

Wow!

[( . Y . )]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

What was your first impression after your UFC debut?
Mirko: It was all a bit weird to me. The rules are different too. Some things are allowed, some are not; but, it was OK.

In Nevada, knees and kicks aren’t allowed to fighters with their knees on the mat. Having fought mostly in Japan, is it difficult to adjust?
Mirko: Yeah, I kept in mind that I couldn't use my knees and kicks. The rules of the game are different; and, I need to adjust. For me it's easier to fight under PRIDE rules; but, I'll do fine.

What do you think of your first UFC opponent, Eddie Sanchez?
Mirko: I think Sanchez was scared a bit, constantly backpedaling, running away from me. I was forced to chase him around.

Why was PRIDE's theme played as your entrance song?
I made that call because of reasons I’d like to keep to myself.

When will you fight for the UFC title?
Mirko: Third fight probably, or maybe even fourth. Against Sylvia or Couture, we'll see.

When is your next fight?
Mirko: In Manchester on April 20th. I don't know who my next opponent will be yet.

What do you think about the support shown from U.S. Croatians?
Mirko: It was really nice. The atmosphere was different; the event venue was smaller; but, it was very interesting. The fans are much louder than the crowd in Japan.

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Do you prefer PRIDE or UFC?
Mirko: Well, there are some things that are different from a promotional aspect; but, I don't want to make any comments. I'm a UFC fighter now; and, that's it. Both organizations have done a terrific job. Some things are different, like the crowd. They “boo” if the fight isn’t interesting. In Japan, they don't do that.

[Fredo Corleone]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

What was your first impression after your UFC debut?
Mirko: It was all a bit weird to me. The rules are different too. Some things are allowed, some are not; but, it was OK.

In Nevada, knees and kicks aren’t allowed to fighters with their knees on the mat. Having fought mostly in Japan, is it difficult to adjust?
Mirko: Yeah, I kept in mind that I couldn't use my knees and kicks. The rules of the game are different; and, I need to adjust. For me it's easier to fight under PRIDE rules; but, I'll do fine.

What do you think of your first UFC opponent, Eddie Sanchez?
Mirko: I think Sanchez was scared a bit, constantly backpedaling, running away from me. I was forced to chase him around.

Why was PRIDE's theme played as your entrance song?
I made that call because of reasons I’d like to keep to myself.

When will you fight for the UFC title?
Mirko: Third fight probably, or maybe even fourth. Against Sylvia or Couture, we'll see.

When is your next fight?
Mirko: In Manchester on April 20th. I don't know who my next opponent will be yet.

What do you think about the support shown from U.S. Croatians?
Mirko: It was really nice. The atmosphere was different; the event venue was smaller; but, it was very interesting. The fans are much louder than the crowd in Japan.

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Do you prefer PRIDE or UFC?
Mirko: Well, there are some things that are different from a promotional aspect; but, I don't want to make any comments. I'm a UFC fighter now; and, that's it. Both organizations have done a terrific job. Some things are different, like the crowd. They “boo” if the fight isn’t interesting. In Japan, they don't do that.

hahaha - sounds like he's not as happy in his new home. oh well, i'm sure all the money he's making will change his mind.

oh, i read somewhere that pride pays its fighters in cash to avoid taxes. anyone hear anything like that?

[( . Y . )]

favorite quote of the night

"I love Marvin, he's my brother, but it was time for some black on black crime" -Quinton Jackson

[urine sampler]

favorite quote of the night

"I love Marvin, he's my brother, but it was time for some black on black crime" -Quinton Jackson
I liked the right foot will put you in the hospital an the left foot will put you in the cemertary -Mirko Cro Cop

[Standby]

I liked the right foot will put you in the hospital an the left foot will put you in the cemertary -Mirko Cro Cop

Yeah that's apparently one of his things... the commentators quoted him during the OWGP. It's now one of my AIM away messages...

"Right kick hospital. Left kick cemetary."

How can you not love this guy with quotes like that...

[sniper]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/rtsniper/kneebar.gif

yeah, I was tapping my couch. Crazy fuck.

[Cromwell]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Quoted for emphasis.

True champions battle through injuries. Same for Lidell.

Aparently GSP has to be "perfect" before he fights :rolleyes:

[( . Y . )]

for your entertainment, from another mma thread. Rampage always has one line zingers. Rogan and Jackson doing commentary would be comedy.

Quadros: Where do you see yourself in 2 years?
Rampage: Well, i'm 23, so in two years, I see myself at 25.

Mauro: Who's gonna win this tournament? Who's your favorite?
Quinton: After it is done, then i pick the winner.

when he was guest commentator of a Heath Herring fight, he said something like, "Damn, those shorts are small. I think I see Heath's nuts."

SQ: "You bringing that chain with you?"
QJ: "I'm fightin a man that beat four gracies, of course I'm bringin my chain."

Quadros: Do you feel slighted that you have to fight a "stronger" fighter in the Grand Prix than Wanderlei?
Jackson: Slighted!? sh*t don't use big words Im only a fighter

FAN: Rampage, did you always thought you were gonna be a fighter?
RAMPAGE: "hell no, I thought I was gonna be a porn star!"

At a press conference Rampage's Japanese interpreter is relaying this message from Page - "Rampage loves his fans" then some fan yells somthing and Page yells "SHUT THE FUCK UP"

"I'd rather fight Arona cause I don't know him and he's in the fucking video game and I'm not." -Quinton Jackson

"That Bitch ass muther fucker, knee'd me in the nuts, sissy ass mutherfucker" - Jackson on his fight with Satake

Interviewer: Quinton. What do you think Igor can do to beat you?
Quinton Jackson: I think he can knock me the fuck out! That's what I think!

"Satake is a Japanese Redneck"

"I thought I was going to be Prides only token black guy."

"When I beat wanderlei i'm a take his belt pull his pants down and spank him for bein so ugly"

"I've got a strategy, it's called whoop that ass!"

"I don't know if Silva's knee is really hurt. It wouldn't be if he didn't spend so much time on his knees. Why you on your knees man? Get off your knees!"

A:What was the fact that you come back to states to fight?
QJ:"the money, what the hell is wrong with you"

"You see Tito's head? How he lose with a head like that? All he gotta do is use his head into their chest (mimics a ram), like that. He'll win every fight." -Rampage

At the weigh-in.
Reporter: Do you like Dana White?
Rampage: Oh yeah.. I likes him.. I likes his shiny, creamy, white bald ass.. he's a fine little white man! Yesum..

Would you ever fight Tito?
"Hell no.. Id probably break my hand on his head"

TD:If you could fight any one, who would be?
QJ:John Cena. Why he stealing my chain? What’s up with that? Tell him to fight me – the looser has to stop using the chain. I know he like to Rap, tell him to wrap his mouth around some tic-tacks. Stinky ass breath.

TD:What do you think of the UFC heavyweights?
QJ:They big as hell. If Tim Sylvia wasn’t there I think I would do good. His breath might knock me out. He look like a giant gizmo from the gremlins.

and last my favorite of all time:
"Me amy good gorillia, fuck you should of never toched me fucking monkey." from a video talking about Vanderlei Silva

[mendozathejew]

Quoted for emphasis.

True champions battle through injuries. Same for Lidell.

Aparently GSP has to be "perfect" before he fights :rolleyes:

yeah but liddell complains he had injuries when he fought and lost to rampage, anytime anyone brings the fight up

and matt hughes apparently said on his website he didnt train hard enough for gsp.

they all make excuses

[d0uche_n0zzle]

yeah but liddell complains he had injuries when he fought and lost to rampage, anytime anyone brings the fight up

and matt hughes apparently said on his website he didnt train hard enough for gsp.

they all make excuses

Are they excuses, or are they explanations as to why they lost? "whaa"

[mendozathejew]

excuses

[urine sampler]

Il agree about hughes.he cried,groin shot from a leg kick but chuck hasnt needed to make an excuse in a while.

[highfive]

Are they excuses, or are they explanations as to why they lost? "whaa"
excuses.....do you really believe Matt Hughes did not train for GSP?

[mendozathejew]

99.9999% of fighters make excuses. it goes with the territory. to be able to go in a ring, and reach the level where you believe you can beat anyone, coming up with excuses for why you lost goes hand in hand with that.

[Cybouncer]

99.9999% of fighters make excuses. it goes with the territory. to be able to go in a ring, and reach the level where you believe you can beat anyone, coming up with excuses for why you lost goes hand in hand with that.


This can be said about most sports athletes.

Many highly competitive people will try to find a reason why they lost, it can't be because the other guy was better but rather, you performed poorly.

Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.:action-sm

[Cromwell]

I was wondering where this program went. Spike (where it actually belongs) took it away from MSNBC (why was it there in the first place?)

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[Larz]

Sure most of you know already but theres an MMA fight night on Showtime
10-12. Renzo Gracie vs. Frank Shamrock. Undercard has David Loiseau among others... not a great card but maybe a small step up from a typical UFC/Spike TV fight night.

[abudabit]

I'm watching it now, I think they are planning on making this a regular thing. Seems a little full of pomp but should be cool. This first guy is a former homeless gentleman, I love it. He's got the grillz.

[abudabit]

Amateur hour, I kind of like it though. A crazy bum against a kid with only 3 fights under his belt.


Gina's fucking hawt, good striker too.

[abudabit]

That was a great fight, female MMA is great since they aren't afraid to take the lighter blows. You almost never see defensive standoffs in female MMA. Hope they have more next time.

[burky79]

Warrior Nation on MSNBC right now

[burky79]

Nice sherdog plug (not that they need it), but full page, color and URL.

edit

well hell, i didnt relize it was gonna be this replay everything old and outta date.
hope theres some more later on in it.

[Larz]

Gina's fucking hawt, good striker too.


She always looks good right at weigh ins... cutting weight really works for her.

http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/40/40386.jpg

[abudabit]

Fucking redneck dummy audience. That audience was so fucking aggravating, pieces of shit should have went to a kick boxing match, not a MMA event.


And fucking Frank Shamrock, no fucking shame that the fight ended from his illegal kicks. Just own up to it and stop being a smug cry baby.

[Bodizapha]

The homeless guy is crazy horse Bennett, who allegedly only trains by playing pick-up basketball before fights. He has had some hl reel KO's but also lost to some b-level european/Asian talent.

This kid he was fighting KJ Noons or something, but it was a bad idea to stand with Bennett. KJ trains with Brandon Vera with City Boxing in Cali. He will bounce back after his loss.

Bummer to the that Crow got pushed around for three rounds, looks like he still has cobwebs after Swick and Frankling going the distance with him.

Cabbage got destroyed... big shock.

As far as the headline fight. Not a big fan of either, so i'll keep my mouth shut. I wasnt able to see any fights, i just was reading play-by-play last night. If anybody can link videos, that would be dandy.

[abudabit]

There's not much to see. Gracie kept getting Frank down so all Frank could do was brawl and stall. Frank kept looking at the ref to order a stand up. Anyways, during one of the stalls Frank realized the ref stopped ordering stand ups since he realized Frank was just manipulating the rules. So Frank started kneeing Gracie in the back of the neck. He was warned once, did it again. Gracie got a concussion.


The women's fight was the best, second was the Cabbage / Bigfoot fight. I can see Bigfoot becoming a big deal with some time.

[av8rOC]

if someone finds the krazy horse fight online let me know, didnt get to watch last night

[( . Y . )]

anyone have links that confirm the rumors about brandon vera's contract?

so far the rumors i read are 1.5 million signing bonus AND 1 mil each fight for a rumored total of 4 mill.

That's pretty much boxer salary range. i'd love it to be true actually.

[Bodizapha]

Vera still has one fight left on his contract with th UFC, last i heard.

That is why he wasn't given a title shot against Silvia. To avoid another b.j. Penn incident.

I havent heard anything about them inking a deal yet.

[Fredo Corleone]

HUGE (and very good) article on brandon vera. talks about him saying he was going to hold out for big money even before he fought mir. i know: tl, dr

http://www.sdreader.com/php/cover.php?mode=article&showpg=1&id=20070208

[Gotti420]

Vera is definitely not worth 4 mil. It looks like Dana is going to push his last fight back as far as his contract will permit.

[Bodizapha]

The offer made by the UFC to Vera woulda have roughly been a 200,000 dollar contract over three or four fights. In all honesty, Vera's best move is to leave the UFC. Heres why:


1) Out classed at HW. CroCop, Randy, Herring, and Silvia. All guys who Vera MIGHT be able to beat. Not a single one of them is a gimmi for "The Truth." The odds are most likley that even if Vera does get past Silvia, he has no chance in the ring against CroCop. Vera is a B-level striker with a lot of potential, but anybody whos knows anything can tell you he is yet to step into the ring against a legit HW striker.

2) Vera is a glorified LHW. He is going to give up weight and size to just about anybody he will fight at HW. Then, look what he has to face at LHW. Liddel, Ortiz, Sobral, Jackson, and the fleet of young UFC baby faces in Griffin, Evans, and Bisping. Both HW and LHW do not bode well for Vera.

I really like this kid, I dont think he is worth the money that EXC claims they are going to pay him. As of right now, we do not even know if EXC will be around to cash in on a three or four multi million dollar fight contact. WEC tried to up the purses on the headline fighter and he ended up in them closing up shop.

Fresh off the rumor mill is that Vera is lined up to fight Jake O'Brian for his final UFC fight. Obdviously, this is the UFC trying to establish a undefeated young fighter, fresh off an upset over Herring against Vera. Only to the send "The Truth" off into the sunset with a loss in his final fight in the UFC.

Painfully, i admit that this is the politics of buisness and of pro-fighting. When all is said and done, it is in Vera's best interest to leave the UFC and hopfully contine to establish himself against a-level talent in a-level orgs.

He goes to pride and he is dead.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Quick question, why did Frank Shamrock abandon the UFC?

[abudabit]

Quick question, why did Frank Shamrock abandon the UFC?

Cause he's an ass?


From Wikipedia:

Shamrock then relinquished his title and retired from the UFC. There have been rumors that Shamrock retired simply to leave the UFC without having been defeated for the title. After retiring, he initially acted as a consultant and commentator but fell out with the owners of the UFC and is seldom mentioned on their broadcasts. He has stated that Dana White telephoned him after his fight against Cesar Gracie to try and get him to return, but said he will not return unless he owns the company.

[Bodizapha]

I am sure money had a lot to do with it....

However, Shamrock's legacy is everything to him. He carried his undefeated record more then any pay day or any belt. If he stayed in the UFC as champ, eventually he would be beaten. Since he left he has hand picked fights that he knew he could win against sub-par fighters to keep that record in tact ala Rickson Gracie.

imho, that is the reason he allowed himself to be DQed last weekend, he knew he was on pace to loose a decesion.

The guy has a lot of issues, he is a patholigical liar. He is the adopted brother of Ken. He had serious problems with the law growing up. Blame it on trying to establish himself in the shadow of his brother, or absentee father. The only person who can explain why he is the way he is, would be Frank. Expect 25% of what he says to be truth.

[Gotti420]

The offer made by the UFC to Vera woulda have roughly been a 200,000 dollar contract over three or four fights. In all honesty, Vera's best move is to leave the UFC. Heres why:


1) Out classed at HW. CroCop, Randy, Herring, and Silvia. All guys who Vera MIGHT be able to beat. Not a single one of them is a gimmi for "The Truth." The odds are most likley that even if Vera does get past Silvia, he has no chance in the ring against CroCop. Vera is a B-level striker with a lot of potential, but anybody whos knows anything can tell you he is yet to step into the ring against a legit HW striker.

2) Vera is a glorified LHW. He is going to give up weight and size to just about anybody he will fight at HW. Then, look what he has to face at LHW. Liddel, Ortiz, Sobral, Jackson, and the fleet of young UFC baby faces in Griffin, Evans, and Bisping. Both HW and LHW do not bode well for Vera.

I really like this kid, I dont think he is worth the money that EXC claims they are going to pay him. As of right now, we do not even know if EXC will be around to cash in on a three or four multi million dollar fight contact. WEC tried to up the purses on the headline fighter and he ended up in them closing up shop.

Fresh off the rumor mill is that Vera is lined up to fight Jake O'Brian for his final UFC fight. Obdviously, this is the UFC trying to establish a undefeated young fighter, fresh off an upset over Herring against Vera. Only to the send "The Truth" off into the sunset with a loss in his final fight in the UFC.

Painfully, i admit that this is the politics of buisness and of pro-fighting. When all is said and done, it is in Vera's best interest to leave the UFC and hopfully contine to establish himself against a-level talent in a-level orgs.

He goes to pride and he is dead.


I agree with all of those points IF EXC manages to survive. If EXC goes the way of the WFA Vera is screwed. On the other hand, if Vera re-signs with the UFC he might not make as much money right away, but the UFC isn't going anywhere and if he continues winning he'll get that big contract down the line.

[Cromwell]

Just a reminder that Inside The UFC is on tonight:


It’s Champions Week on “Inside The UFC”, as Spike TV’s hit series returns this Thursday night at its regular time of midnight with interviews with the UFC’s Heavyweight champ Tim Sylvia and Light Heavyweight boss Chuck Liddell.

Host Joe Rogan will also bring fight fans into the world of the men and women who keep the athletes of the Octagon safe – the fight doctors - and catch you up to date with all the news, interviews, and features from the world of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, which can only be seen on Spike TV’s weekly news magazine “Inside The UFC”, Thursday at Midnight.

****

Here's another news item:

UFC announces event date in the UK

SATURDAY, APRIL 21, 2007 LIVE FROM MANCHESTER’S MEN ARENA

Las Vegas, NV – The Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC®) organization today announced its long-awaited return to Great Britain this spring when the world’s greatest mixed martial artists throw down at Manchester's MEN Arena Saturday, April 21.

The Manchester event will be the first UFC event in the United Kingdom since 2002.

“We are very excited to be back in the UK,” said UFC President Dana White. “We had a lot of obstacles over the last six years, but I never gave up on bringing the UFC back to the UK. Now we have our UK office up and running, we’re going to have fights in the UK and throughout Europe, so the UFC is here to stay.”

It seems Great Britain cannot wait for that to happen.

Marshall Zelaznik, the UFC’s UK President said, "There's already a huge buzz about what is going to happen at the MEN Arena on April 21. When the UK website – uk.ufc.com - was launched two weeks ago the stats went through the roof and there is great anticipation as to who will be fighting in Manchester.”

Those details - and full ticket information - will be announced in the near future. For UFC fans located in Great Britain, this is the official announcement that the UFC is coming after a half-decade of waiting.

Zelaznik added, “Our British fans have been demanding this and now, finally, the UFC returns to the UK. And this time we are here to stay.”

[Kid Brock]

I think we can safely assume Bisbing will be highlighted on that card.

[Bodizapha]

His bout will be televised, but also on that card is slated to be:

Crocop, Arlovski, Ortiz, Griffin, and Kongo. He wont get considered a headline fight, but it will get mentioned the same way they mentioned Jackson for the last ppv. They are pitting him against Elvis Sinosic, who was TUF fodder for Forrest last year. Not really a fight you can hype up as a legitiment war.

[Kid Brock]

His bout will be televised, but also on that card is slated to be:

Crocop, Arlovski, Ortiz, Griffin, and Kongo. He wont get considered a headline fight, but it will get mentioned the same way they mentioned Jackson for the last ppv. They are pitting him against Elvis Sinosic, who was TUF fodder for Forrest last year. Not really a fight you can hype up as a legitiment war.


Yeah, Elvis has heart but is usually over-matched. Crowd should pop for Bisbing though.

[Gotti420]

from MMAweekly:

UFC 70: APRIL 21, 2007 IN MANCHESTER, ENGLAND AT M.E.N. ARENA

-Mirko Cro Cop (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
-Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic
-Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin
-Alessio Sakara vs. Victor Valimaki

-Andrei Arlovski (#6 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA
-Tito Ortiz (#8 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA (possibly Forrest Griffin)
-Forrest Griffin vs. TBA (possibly Tito Ortiz)
-David Lee vs. TBA
-Cheick Kongo vs. TBA
-Abdul Mohamed vs. TBA

[Cromwell]

Why the question marks? It definitely should be the Tito v. Griffin rematch.

[Gotti420]

Why the question marks? It definitely should be the Tito v. Griffin rematch.

agreed, but either way this is shaping up to be a great card

[Bodizapha]

Personally, I don't feel the need to see a rematch.

Forrest got knocked out by Jardine...
Ortiz lost to Liddel...

When they fought, Tito squeeked out the decesion with a bum knee. What does the winner of this fight gain!? They are both UFC poster boys who will have a serious crack in their respective vein of credability.

Whomever wins will not be considered a title contender, the looser will be subject to more question about their place in the UFC. If the UFC signs this fight i think it will be a MAJOR mistake.

The only positive would be the hype for the fight, which will probably not be as impressive as the first. I compare this fight to fucking a hooker with the clap. Fun for 15 minutes, but not worth the grief it will cost you in the long run.

[av8rOC]

Agreed, DEF not a headlining fight. Dont be surprised to see another big name added to that card. My money is on Aleks (to fight AA).

[Palerider4146]

What about Hamill/Griffin. You know that Dana liked the kid, just a question if he is ready for a guy like Griffin yet. I'm not to sure he is, but it could be a good fight.

More importantly who will be Chucks next opponent. Are they grooming the Rampage/Chuck rematch first? Guys like Evans and Jardine have looked good, and have been paying there UFC debts. The better question is can anyone beat chuck before he retires. Personally I would love to see Mirko come down to 205 (only 18 pounds), that would be an insane striker vs striker match, one that Chuck would probably lose.

[Bodizapha]

Aleks has a fight coming up with Bodog, so dont expect to see him on a UFC card any time soon.

Rumors are floating that Arlovski might fight herring, which would be a good fight.

Hammil is still light years away from facing legit competition, he is all wrestling with no striking. He trains with Tito's camp, but still has a way to go.

After the last ppv, Dana was quoted as saying he wanted to give Rampage one more fight before he put him up against Chuck. I know the rumor blogs are saying that they will fight in Vegas at 72, but time will tell.

[Aizazzle]

Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar is now in talks with UFC. We are not sure on how serious the negotiating process is; however Lesnar has been training for quite some time to debut for Japan’s K-1 MMA promotion. So far no fights have been officially announced. We will certainly have more on this story as it comes available to us.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=173921077

I would order just to see this asshole get his ass kicked I really do hate this guy....

[Bodizapha]

Dana was on the radio tonight, confirming that Jackson will NOT be Chuck's next fight. He stated that Chuck was going to fight somebody outside of the UFC. Whatever the fuck that means.

[mendozathejew]

dana also said cro cop cant make 205, but chuck said hed move up to HW to fight him. he'll get punished

[Palerider4146]

I really think Cro Cop could make 205 if he really tried, but I dont know if he was ever a wrestler or not where cutting weight was like breathing. It could be real tough for someone who doesnt want to. I really think that Mirko would dismantle Chuck given the opportunity at any weight.

In regards to Dana's comment, maybe he's hinting to the Wanderlai thing again. Maybe he'll let Chuck go to Pride to fight for a one time thing, or maybe the whole UFC buying Pride thing could be realistic.

[mendozathejew]

this is a real interesting video, cro cop and fedor in their lockerrooms getting ready for their fight. definitely worth a look
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ed83k0zeuKY

[Larz]

Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar is now in talks with UFC. We are not sure on how serious the negotiating process is; however Lesnar has been training for quite some time to debut for Japan’s K-1 MMA promotion. So far no fights have been officially announced. We will certainly have more on this story as it comes available to us.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=173921077

I would order just to see this asshole get his ass kicked I really do hate this guy....

Put him up against any competent LW. I bet Sherk could send him back to Vince Mcmahon in a body bag.

[Larz]

I really think Cro Cop could make 205 if he really tried, but I dont know if he was ever a wrestler or not where cutting weight was like breathing. It could be real tough for someone who doesnt want to. I really think that Mirko would dismantle Chuck given the opportunity at any weight.


It would be fucking great to see them do a non-title prize fight at HW. Chuck at 230 would punch like a freight train, he'd still lose but that would be 1 of the all time great fights. If Dana would just get his head out of his ass and stop puting together cards with Ortiz, Shamrock, Randy etc...

[mendozathejew]

chuck should stay far away from cro cop. wait til his run at 205 ends til he even considers it

wanderlei- thats another story. I think that fight should be made, with whatever compromises dana needs to make. Chuck knocks him out if they make this fight now, and thats THE legacy builder for his career at 205.

[Chino Kapone]

i hope everyone caught ultimate fight night last night. it was one of the best fight nights ever. every fight was awesome! i havnt seen a ppv that was that good in a long time, let alone a fight on spike tv.

[Bodizapha]

Last night?
If you were reffering to the fights on spike t.v. that was the reply of when Silva fought Silvia. Some good fight on that card, but not worthy of best ever.

Not to mentoin they are from over a year ago.

[Chino Kapone]

Last night?
If you were reffering to the fights on spike t.v. that was the reply of when Silva fought Silvia. Some good fight on that card, but not worthy of best ever.

Not to mentoin they are from over a year ago.

yeah i thought it was odd that i didnt really hear much about it before hand. and then i thought it was odd that sylvia would be fighting so soon before his next ppv. anyway, my buddy told me that it was a rerun as well..... im a douche

[Gotti420]

a little update to the UFC 70 card. Griffin will be fighting Machida and Arlovski will be fighting Werdum. This is shaping up to be a great event.

[mendozathejew]

anybody ordering Prides second US show tomorrow?

[Larz]

a little update to the UFC 70 card. Griffin will be fighting Machida and Arlovski will be fighting Werdum. This is shaping up to be a great event.

Arlovski-Werdum I'm actually looking forward to this 1, but isn't Werdum helping to train Cop's ground game? If he beats Arlovski I would think that bumps him way up the contenders list and an eventual match with Cop. It looks to me like a bit of a set up for some future drama. Never thought I'd say it but the UFC HW division is coming a long.

[Bodizapha]

Indeed, im elated that they are not rematching ortiz and griffin.

But now we can all speculate on who Tito is gunna fight.

I wanna see the Pride fight, but im not gunna pay 40 bucks. I was hoping to find a bar showing it, but no luck so far.

[mendozathejew]

Never thought I'd say it but the UFC HW division is coming a long.

if they snag Big nog, youd have to feel like fedor has been left by himself and the HW division has truly moved to UFC.

[( . Y . )]

all i can say is HOLY SHIT what an event.

[mendozathejew]

all i can say is HOLY SHIT what an event.
ufc has all the juice right now, but Pride puts on amazing shows....far better for your ppv dollar

[Bodizapha]

Indeed, i didnt see the ppv, but all the reviews i read said amazing things. Don't wanna give any spoilers, but a rough day for Brazil.

[mendozathejew]

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=QA5HL3PJ gomi diaz, best fight of night

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=XBZDJ7EF shogun overeem. great ko

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=3FMEGSH4 henderson silva

[Palerider4146]

I went on youtube and watched 5 of the Pride fights. They did put on a good show, overall real good fights. I would still guess that the NSAC will have a busy week. If I remember correctly they did the last time Pride had their first USA show.

Let me know when we are ready to discuss the outcomes of the fights as to not ruiiiiinnnnnn it for the others.

[coolmeat]

iceman vs. hollywood ????????????? 2 wrestlers with heavy hands. i'd pay to watch, pride or ufc.

[coolmeat]

last nights pride blew the last couple of ufc events away. suprises, knockouts, plenty of bouts to watch. i think ufc needs to start airing all undercards live. sometimes they are the best fights. i felt i got my fourty bucks worth. in like all mma ifl,ufc,pride,elite xc,bodog, it seems like every weekend something is going on. im happy.

[( . Y . )]

in the words of darth opie "WHO SAW THIS COMING?" but then again anything can happen in mma. Nog ko, hendo winning, gomi losing. great event. i'm a total gomi fan and i haven't seen him gas like that before, although i don't know if he gassed or he couldn't close the distance and connect with diaz. and what a sweet sub from a double leg by gomi, props to diaz. Hope a rematch will happen for the title.

Love that hendo has two belts, one of my favs. now shogun vs. hendo?

mach looking good so far, i want to see a rematch with hughes.

[mendozathejew]

in the words of darth opie "WHO SAW THIS COMING?" but then again anything can happen in mma. Nog ko, hendo winning, gomi losing. great event. i'm a total gomi fan and i haven't seen him gas like that before, although i don't know if he gassed or he couldn't close the distance and connect with diaz. and what a sweet sub from a double leg by gomi, props to diaz. Hope a rematch will happen for the title.
Im a big nick diaz fan, real happy that he got this win.

but in all honesty gomi was in awful condition. he looked like he barely trained, and he was gassed 2 minutes into the fight. buster douglas was in better shape against holyfield.

but great job by diaz the kid has heart and talent, glad to finally see him get a big win. a huge win really.

[Larz]

The UFC has 3 huge problems.

1) the fixation on legacy fighters: Shamrock, Couture, Ortiz.

2) The fixation on TUF fighters that are mostly 2nd-3rd tier quality (there are a couple of exceptions)

3) overall shitty matchmaking. Chris Lytle fighting undercard you gotta be fucking kidding.


I can't understand why they fuck around so much with padding records, gimme matches, and complete nonsense (GSP-Serra UFC 69 Main Event??). They need to take a page out of Pride's book and really pit the top fighters against each other to put on a show. The only fights I can see being remotely interesting in the coming months are Swick-Okami, Sanchez-Kos. These pale in comparison though to a typical Pride card.

[( . Y . )]

I can see your view on the "ufc problems" but then again ufc is gaining more in mainstream popularity. Much more than pride. Look at the posts after the last ufc event compared to this past pride event. I'd love to see ppv numbers on all mma events.

What i want to see is the mma fighters making as much as boxers. It just brings more talent and more gooder fights.

The side shows are a good thing. Inside the ufc should be an hour long, it should not be organization based, have the show all about mma. Warrior nation is another good show.

I'm also curious to see if there will ever be a surge of interest of the stand up orgs. I'm a huge fan of k1max and i always wonder if it will ever be as popular in the states like it is in japan and europe.

[coolmeat]

fucking ufc has the talent but the will not match up the great fighters. i've never heard of cro cop's next opponent. it should be diego vs. matt, not shitty lyttle or lutter i fucking forget. what about swick vs. franklin. i know that macdonald has beaten herman and leban but he doesnt deserve franklin yet. it doesnt make a difference it you have all the talent if you dont showcase some even top notch fights.

fight wishlist:

sanchez vs. hughes
liddel vs. jackson
cro cop vs. slylvia
anderson silva vs. shogun rua
henderson vs. lidell
henderson vs. shogun rua
fedor vs. cro cop(rematch) or shitty ass sylvia(love to watch left leg kick to stupid head.)

so many , but how much $ will i have to spend.

[Palerider4146]

Well while we are at it here goes my UFC fight wish list:

Sanchez vs Hughes
Sanchez vs GSP
Chuck vs Cro Cop
Hughes vs Anderson Silva
Guillard vs Sherk
Florian vs Guillard
BJ vs any LW
BJ vs Karo or Sanchez
Franklin vs Hughes (but youll never see it)
Rampage vs Chuck (which you will see)
Bisping vs Tito
Vera vs Sylvia
Vera vs LHWs
BJ vs Serra (great JJ match)

This is my overall Pride vs UFC vs all other orgs wish list:

Chuck vs Wanderlai
Fedor vs Randy
Fedor vs Cro Cop II
Fedor vs Chuck
Big Nog vs Sylvia
Henderson vs Chuck
Henderson vs Hughes
Henderson vs Anderson
Gomi vs Sherk/Guillard (I dont think Florian would match up well)
Gomi vs BJ
Gomi vs Hughes
Overreem vs Vera
Overreem vs Chuck
Urijah vs Gomi
Urijah vs Sherk/Guillard/Florian
and I'm sure there are many more i could think of

[Bodizapha]

First off, Pride is just as guilty of booking spectacle matches as the UFC. Say no more then Bob Sapp, Giant Silva, or Akebono. I will admit, that some of the UFC matches are trivial, but in the same light ALL the UFC title belts changed hands last year, so the argument that the UFC pads their champs is bullshit.

All before last saturday Pride haters and Pride nuthuggers argued that Silva fight Henderson was a bullshit fight, and that Little Nog should have gotten his title shot rather then having somebody in a different weight class get HIS chance at a rematch. Those same people talked mad shit that Gomi would outclass Diaz AND that it was a bullshit fight becasue the belt was not on the line. Now, it just so happens that both fights were upset so that ALL gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten.

Anybody can shit talk either org all they want, but in all seriousness the next ppv, anybody who wants to hate on the matchmaking for either org make picks on who you think is gunna win. If the fights are matched soo poorly, then any hater should be able to run the board, right!?

[mendozathejew]

First off, Pride is just as guilty of booking spectacle matches as the UFC. Say no more then Bob Sapp, Giant Silva, or Akebono. I will admit, that some of the UFC matches are trivial, but in the same light ALL the UFC title belts changed hands last year, so the argument that the UFC pads their champs is bullshit.

All before last saturday Pride haters and Pride nuthuggers argued that Silva fight Henderson was a bullshit fight, and that Little Nog should have gotten his title shot rather then having somebody in a different weight class get HIS chance at a rematch. Those same people talked mad shit that Gomi would outclass Diaz AND that it was a bullshit fight becasue the belt was not on the line. Now, it just so happens that both fights were upset so that ALL gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten.


as a pride, your right on with your criticism. its ridiculous that gomi still has his title. boxing champs used to have non title fights, but they fought every couple of months. pride slides on that because of their wealth of talent, and the fact that they put on phenominal ppvs. but ufc and pride dont have the ideal competitive playing field. can we find chuck a single striker to fight in 3 years?

[Larz]

If the fights are matched soo poorly, then any hater should be able to run the board, right!?

Ok I'll play.

UFC 68
Silvia-Couture: W Sylvia

Hughes-Lytle: W Hughes

Franklin-Macdonald: W Franklin

Lambert-Sobral: W Sobral

These are the fights most will be watching, I'd be curious to see where you might disagree.

[Larz]

Well while we are at it here goes my UFC fight wish list:

Sanchez vs Hughes
Sanchez vs GSP
Chuck vs Cro Cop
Hughes vs Anderson Silva
Guillard vs Sherk
Florian vs Guillard
BJ vs any LW
BJ vs Karo or Sanchez
Franklin vs Hughes (but youll never see it)
Rampage vs Chuck (which you will see)
Bisping vs Tito
Vera vs Sylvia
Vera vs LHWs
BJ vs Serra (great JJ match)



Hello exactly.

I would add

Liddel-Vera (too bad about this 1)
Franklin-Swick
Franklin-Rampage (Franklin at 205)
GSP-Silva (GSP at 185)

Pride vs UFC... I wouldn't know where to start. Probably Shogun-Liddell would be my #1, of course fedor-cop 2 runnerup.

[( . Y . )]

How about an OWGP (open weight grand prix)?? i haven't seen that in the ufc for a long time. i've always wanted to see a champion grand prix, have all the reigning champs thrown in a tourney against each other. Winner takes home 1 mill and an open weight champ belt.

[Kid Brock]

Went to the Pride event here on Saturday and it was hands down the best event I have seen live and I have been to a bunch of them. Very happy Pride is holding events in the US.

[( . Y . )]

was there any pre fight meet and greet with the fighters? i haven't gone to any of the pride us shows but went to one in japan. the crowd is pretty reserved and i was asked politely to sit down cause i was blocking other people's view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAFls85pf4

[Kid Brock]

was there any pre fight meet and greet with the fighters? i haven't gone to any of the pride us shows but went to one in japan. the crowd is pretty reserved and i was asked politely to sit down cause i was blocking other people's view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAFls85pf4


Not sure about any meet and greets on the day of, but the weigh in was open to the public on Friday @ Caesar's and the fighters were accessible then. So was Herschel Walker for some reason. :icon_conf

[Cybouncer]

How about an OWGP (open weight grand prix)?? i haven't seen that in the ufc for a long time. i've always wanted to see a champion grand prix, have all the reigning champs thrown in a tourney against each other. Winner takes home 1 mill and an open weight champ belt.


I miss the days of those.

Remember Grace vs. Kimo? 180lbs vs 280lbs.

Fucking great!

[Fredo Corleone]

3) overall shitty matchmaking. Chris Lytle fighting undercard you gotta be fucking kidding.


yeah, because pride has better matchmaking than UFC. please, give us more zuluzhino and giant silva.


I can't understand why they fuck around so much with padding records, gimme matches

kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.

anyway, seeing silva get ko'd two times in two fights reinforces my belief in God. i scared the crap out of my girlfriend again when he went down. anyone notice how much smaller and less defined he looked? also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....

[Fredo Corleone]

yeah, because pride has better matchmaking than UFC. please, give us more zuluzhino and giant silva.



kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.

anyway, seeing silva get ko'd two times in two fights reinforces my belief in God. i scared the crap out of my girlfriend again when he went down. anyone notice how much smaller and less defined he looked? also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....

god damn it...there are two "g"s in "aggressive", aren't there? SHIT!

[mendozathejew]

also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....
really, everyone else said just about the exact opposite, that he looked to big and slow moving down from HW.

its a real possibility that hes a shot fighter from the beating cro cop gave him. being hit in the torso and skull that hard can affect your nervous system, and slow you down. happens to boxers all the time.

also it came out that silva was hospitalized a day before the fight for the flu, but silva wouldnt use that as an excuse. personally I think hes shot

but I was glad to hear him say on sherdog that he thinks its shoguns time to fight for the belt, not an immediate 3rd fight with henderson

[Larz]

kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.



Title fights aren't the be all and end all of MMA. Silva fought in GP events as well over that time, he's taken on hunt and fucking Mirko. Its still conisidered a L in the column.

If you're a fan of title defenses can you honestly say you're looking forward to Sylvia-Couture? What the hell is Couture gonna do to that freak that Monson couldn't? How about GSP-Serra?

[Bodizapha]

Ok I'll play.

UFC 68
Silvia-Couture: W Sylvia

Hughes-Lytle: W Hughes

Franklin-Macdonald: W Franklin

Lambert-Sobral: W Sobral

These are the fights most will be watching, I'd be curious to see where you might disagree.

Im pulling for Randy, but agree that Tim will probably pull it out.

I think Lambert will beat Sobral.

I agree on the other two.

But my point about matchmaking has to include the undercards, 75% of the time those are the most explosive matches.

Also on an interesting note...

Medical Suspensions Stemming from Pride 33:

-Nick Diaz has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to an injured and possibly broken orbital bone (the orbital bone is the bone that surrounds the eye socket). If Diaz is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 26th.

-Dan Henderson has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to a broken second metacarpal in his right hand. If Henderson is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 11th.

-Mac Danzig has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to an injured and possibly broken left thumb. If Danzig is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 11th.

-Takanori Gomi has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

-Wanderlei Silva has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Alistair Overeem has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Jason Ireland has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

-Travis Wiuff has been medically suspended for four weeks (until March 27th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

[Larz]

I think Lambert will beat Sobral.

But my point about matchmaking has to include the undercards, 75% of the time those are the most explosive matches.


Lambert got worked badly by Rashad Evans. Rashad seems to be improving but Sobral is a true vet with skills, I just don't see how Lambert pulls it out. I will say of the 4 'main' fights this is the least mismatched (still not sayin much).

Theres 4 fights for sure that will be aired out of like 9. So we'll get maybe 1-2 more and the rest will be dark. I agree with you that these fights are usually more unpredictable, but then they go and do shit like make Machida-Hoger a dark match in 67.

My bitching about UFC matchmaking is mainly because I can't justify buying the PPV based on simply seeing Hughes or Franklin tuneups, or couture making his HW comeback. I want to support what the UFC is doing in MMA but after $126/month for cable +2 XM subs etc well you get the picture. Just gimme some fucking battles and I'm in. UFC 69 is a better card, but that one seems to be more of a TUF showcase. I think 8/9 fights have at least one TUF contestant.

[Fredo Corleone]

Title fights aren't the be all and end all of MMA. Silva fought in GP events as well over that time, he's taken on hunt and fucking Mirko. Its still conisidered a L in the column.

If you're a fan of title defenses can you honestly say you're looking forward to Sylvia-Couture? What the hell is Couture gonna do to that freak that Monson couldn't? How about GSP-Serra?

no, they're not the end all be all in mma, but silva has built up his record and his legacy fighting undersized and sometimes under talented fighters in pride. in the ufc, the champs almost never get an easy fight. when has matt hughes ever had a gimme fight? never. liddell's easiest fights were against jeremy horn and vernon white, both guys who can atleast fight. are you comparing matt serra or randy couture to tamura, otsuka, oyama, and minowa? it's not like vanderlei cleaned out the division and they had no one for him to fight. it took him years to fight arona (and he got a bullshit decision in the 2nd fight), he never fought overeem, he never fought little nog. pride refrused to put him in the ring with liddell or couture, and you know dana white would have made that fight happen. i can't think of a fighter out there who has had more easy fights as champion than silva.

[Fredo Corleone]

really, everyone else said just about the exact opposite, that he looked to big and slow moving down from HW.

its a real possibility that hes a shot fighter from the beating cro cop gave him. being hit in the torso and skull that hard can affect your nervous system, and slow you down. happens to boxers all the time.

also it came out that silva was hospitalized a day before the fight for the flu, but silva wouldnt use that as an excuse. personally I think hes shot

but I was glad to hear him say on sherdog that he thinks its shoguns time to fight for the belt, not an immediate 3rd fight with henderson

i dunno - he looked smaller to me. i think his aggressiveness was gone because he couldn't juice his balls off. i guess we'll see when he goes back to japan for his next fight.

[Larz]

silva has built up his record and his legacy fighting undersized and sometimes under talented fighters in pride.

Your avatar says otherwise. heh

I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?

I'm just disappointed with the UFC 68 card, UFC 69 is better overall but the main event is a complete waste. Joe Silva could have put together much better cards. If there was no one for Sylvia to fight then fuck it, keep him on ice and make it Franklin-Swick + Hughes-Sanchez dual main event. They're really making good moves in the fighter acquisition department, theres no reason to be so timid with the matchmaking.

[mendozathejew]

Your avatar says otherwise. heh

I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?

dana said yersterday "nobody knows who the hell shogun is." by no one, I assume he means the dummies that show up for ufc shows, and boo after 6 seconds of inaction.

[Larz]

dana said yersterday "nobody knows who the hell shogun is."

And there you have it. Its the general attitude that Matchmaking in the UFC has become secondary to having 'Names' on the card that people recognize. Hence you get Franklin, Hughes, And couture in pointless fights, then UFC 69 as a TUF showcase. Its a sad trend, I wonder if maybe they're having some buyer's remorse about Anderson Silva smashing Ace's face in.

[Fredo Corleone]

Your avatar says otherwise. heh


if you consider having your head kicked off your shoulders as building up a record, then, yeah. most people consider building up a record as amassing wins, not losses.


I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?


why would dana white book a fight between his champion and a pride non-champion? what is to gain for the UFC? liddell beats shogun, big deal - he didn't beat pride's champion. shogun beats liddell, he just lost to a guy who isn't even pride's champion. if shogun wins the belt, dana white would gladly put together that fight. it's pride who ALWAYS fucks the UFC over when it comes to exchanging talent. they were supposed to send over sakuraba and fujita years ago, but always bail out.

[Fredo Corleone]

And there you have it. Its the general attitude that Matchmaking in the UFC has become secondary to having 'Names' on the card that people recognize. Hence you get Franklin, Hughes, And couture in pointless fights, then UFC 69 as a TUF showcase. Its a sad trend, I wonder if maybe they're having some buyer's remorse about Anderson Silva smashing Ace's face in.

pride lucked out with this last card. honestly - what is so great about the pride match making for 33?

gomi vs a virtual ufc cast away - fight turned out to be a barnburner, but that was pure luck - on paper, this fight is nothing great.

lil nog vs a complete nobody - there was a point to this fight? why wasn't lil nog thrown in with silva?

kharitonov vs another complete nobody - again, what was the point of this fight? why not a rematch with overeem or big nog?

shogun vs overeem - why does this rematch need to happen? wasn't the first one decisive enough?

henderson vs. silva - why are they putting their 185 champ against their 205 champ? yes, it ended up being an awesome fight, and i got to see silva put to sleep again, but what's the point of this fight? silva still needs to have a rubber match with arona, never fought overeem, and really should have fought lil nog. if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.

i know pride was aiming to get an american in every bout, so they were apparently aiming for that over good match making, but that's more acceptible than going for big names, right?

and for the record, i don't give a shit about match making in either org. for example, i think the best fight of 2007 so far was edgar vs. griffin on the last ufc card. that fight was supposed to be a blowout for griffin and ended up being amazing. the pride card was the same way. it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.

[Larz]

if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.
QUOTE]

I hope I get a pass for quoting myself...


[QUOTE=Larz]

I would add

Liddel-Vera (too bad about this 1)
Franklin-Swick
Franklin-Rampage (Franklin at 205)
GSP-Silva (GSP at 185)




Despite the nuthugger comment I'm not getting into a flamewar. Both orgs have their pluses and minuses and neither have my total allegiance. However, I will stand by comment that UFC 68 is a joke.


If you can be entertained by watching a 43 year old Couture get put out to pasture for the 2nd time, or hughes GnP a tuf fighter thats lost 3 straight, or Franklin KO a guy that couldn't stand with Leben, or a guy that got KOed by Rashad evans Fighting a top 10 LHW in Sobral, then more power to you.


I'll take a card with Silva-Henderson, Rua-Overeem over that shit any day.

[Fredo Corleone]

[QUOTE=Fredo Corleone] if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.
QUOTE]

I hope I get a pass for quoting myself...






Despite the nuthugger comment I'm not getting into a flamewar. Both orgs have their pluses and minuses and neither have my total allegiance. However, I will stand by comment that UFC 68 is a joke.


If you can be entertained by watching a 43 year old Couture get put out to pasture for the 2nd time, or hughes GnP a tuf fighter thats lost 3 straight, or Franklin KO a guy that couldn't stand with Leben, or a guy that got KOed by Rashad evans Fighting a top 10 LHW in Sobral, then more power to you.


I'll take a card with Silva-Henderson, Rua-Overeem over that shit any day.

you haven't even seen the fights yet and you're already saying they suck. granted, this card is not the ufc's strongest by any stretch, but to say that the pride one was much better on paper is just wrong. why would you take rua-overeem over any fight? who didn't know that overeem would come out strong for the first minute or two and then get ko'd? their first fight was like that, and so are all of overeem's fights. on paper, that pride card did not have one match huge match up.


anyway, i've found that it's often the case with the ufc where the cards that seem like they're going to be great end up sucking, and then ones that look subpar on paper end up being the best. at the very least ufc's matches are always competitive on paper, which certainly cannot be said about pride.

[Larz]

ooof... sorry for the bad quotes. I'm running an engineering program on my comp that locks it up and had to keep using the back button to post. Anyways enjoy the fights, and if Macdonald sticks a gogoplata on Franklin i'll owe you a beer.

[Fredo Corleone]

ooof... sorry for the bad quotes. I'm running an engineering program on my comp that locks it up and had to keep using the back button to post. Anyways enjoy the fights, and if Macdonald sticks a gogoplata on Franklin i'll owe you a beer.


fair enough - what do i get if couture ko's big tim?

[Larz]

fair enough - what do i get if couture ko's big tim?

I'm a Randy fan so i'd just rather see him lose to Sylvia than have his brains scrambled by Mirko.

[mendozathejew]

pride lucked out with this last card. honestly - what is so great about the pride match making for 33?

gomi vs a virtual ufc cast away - fight turned out to be a barnburner, but that was pure luck - on paper, this fight is nothing great.

lil nog vs a complete nobody - there was a point to this fight? why wasn't lil nog thrown in with silva?

kharitonov vs another complete nobody - again, what was the point of this fight? why not a rematch with overeem or big nog?

shogun vs overeem - why does this rematch need to happen? wasn't the first one decisive enough?

henderson vs. silva - why are they putting their 185 champ against their 205 champ? yes, it ended up being an awesome fight, and i got to see silva put to sleep again, but what's the point of this fight? silva still needs to have a rubber match with arona, never fought overeem, and really should have fought lil nog. if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.

i know pride was aiming to get an american in every bout, so they were apparently aiming for that over good match making, but that's more acceptible than going for big names, right?

and for the record, i don't give a shit about match making in either org. for example, i think the best fight of 2007 so far was edgar vs. griffin on the last ufc card. that fight was supposed to be a blowout for griffin and ended up being amazing. the pride card was the same way. it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.


dude you are seriously biased. and nick diaz is at the perfect weight at 160. 10 pounds at that range of weight is a HUGE difference.

it was a phenominal card. anyone who watched has said so. including boxing fans I know, who desperately wanted to hate it.

it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.

but we are seriously gona kill this mma thread with the ufc vs pride argument. lets give it up, coming to this thread pissed off because over pride fans or ufc fans is really not fun for anyone

[Fredo Corleone]

dude you are seriously biased. and nick diaz is at the perfect weight at 160. 10 pounds at that range of weight is a HUGE difference.



so by that logic, nakumara should cut weight, go to the ufc, and immediately get thrown in with anderson silva? would that fight make any sense? it probably makes more sense than the diaz-gomi match up.


it was a phenominal card. anyone who watched has said so. including boxing fans I know, who desperately wanted to hate it.



i'm not talking about how the fights played out, i was talking how the match making looked on paper. you missed my point.




but we are seriously gona kill this mma thread with the ufc vs pride argument. lets give it up, coming to this thread pissed off because over pride fans or ufc fans is really not fun for anyone

you two started ragging on ufc's match making while tauting pride's, i'm just defending ufc.

[mendozathejew]

so by that logic, nakumara should cut weight, go to the ufc, and immediately get thrown in with anderson silva? would that fight make any sense? it probably makes more sense than the diaz-gomi match up.

i'm not talking about how the fights played out, i was talking how the match making looked on paper. you missed my point.

you two started ragging on ufc's match making while tauting pride's, i'm just defending ufc.


not really bro, last page I said (before silva hendo2) that liddell would knock wanderlei out. i think I automatically lose my pride fanboy card right there.

Pride PPVs blow away any other fight shows, including boxing at its best from the 90s. thats all I said. it shouldt injure your ufc self esteem

as for diaz, 160 is his perfect weight. just about every fighter has an ideal weight, at each stage of their career. and its obvious cutting those ten pounds was not only beneficial to diaz, it was easy. he didnt lose any speed or power in his stand up, didnt lose any of his strength on the ground.

most fighters cant cut 10 pounds without some repercussions in their physical abilities. thats now clearly not true for diaz. and ten pounds is a world of difference. 160 is a more natural weight for diaz to fight at.

[Fredo Corleone]

not really bro, last page I said (before silva hendo2) that liddell would knock wanderlei out. i think I automatically lose my pride fanboy card right there.


na, that's just common sense. :icon_mrgr

Pride PPVs blow away any other fight shows, including boxing at its best from the 90s. thats all I said. it shouldt injure your ufc self esteem


ufc self esteem? not only does that not make any sense, you're STILL missing the point. pride's match making is an absolute JOKE at times (giant silva, anyone? dos caros vs cro cop? would you ever see anything so ridiculous in the ufc?). you keep bringing up things i'm not even talking about.

pride ppv's blow away any other fight show in what sense? production quality? excitement? that's all subjective. one thing is for sure, it's not ppv buys. the ufc just beat WWE AND boxing in US ppv buys.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3520&zoneid=13

either way, i like pride and UFC - i usually buy the ufc ppv because my friends are MMA n00bs and like that because of TUF show, but i download every pride hours after it happens. i just get sick of listening to people go on and on about how much better pride is, when i don't think that's the case. sometimes pride is better, sometimes ufc is better.

as for diaz, 160 is his perfect weight. just about every fighter has an ideal weight, at each stage of their career. and its obvious cutting those ten pounds was not only beneficial to diaz, it was easy. he didnt lose any speed or power in his stand up, didnt lose any of his strength on the ground.

most fighters cant cut 10 pounds without some repercussions in their physical abilities. thats now clearly not true for diaz. and ten pounds is a world of difference. 160 is a more natural weight for diaz to fight at.

i'm not talking about nick's size and how it is better or worse for him. i'm talking about the logic behind throwing a guy into a fight with the champion just because of his nationality. diaz was never even a contender in the ufc - to have him go into a fight with pride's champ makes no sense. weight has nothing to do with it. champs should fight the number one contenders. in the UFC that is almost ALWAYS the case. in pride, it very rarely is.

[Cromwell]

We need a Nick Diaz - Joe Riggs rematch.

Both in the Octagon and back at the hospital!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_02.jpg

[Fredo Corleone]

We need a Nick Diaz - Joe Riggs rematch.

Both in the Octagon and back at the hospital!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_02.jpg

i still can't believe nick diaz lost that much. i guess the size difference was too much with some of the 170lbs monsters. hughes told one of my friends back at like ufc 34 or 36 or something like that that he was coming into the fight at over 190lbs.

[mendozathejew]

I dont disagree with prides occasional freak shows and non title matches for champions. its stupid.

the fedor vs patrice oneal fight was fine, cause there was literally no one for fedor to fight after beating cro cop, and he needed to have his hand finally operated on properly.

gomi shouldnt be champion. maybe then he'll actually be ready to fight beyond 3 minutes into round 1.

overal I think pride has a better 205 division. but they have almost done nothing with it. its the same as liddell facing grappler after grappler since he got knocked out by rampage.

the sport grew so quick so fast, some of this hasnt worked itself out yet.

[( . Y . )]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.

[mendozathejew]

ass much as matt hughes is a great fighter, there something prissy about the guy when he goes off on another fighter. he talks about other fighters with a kunty attitude

[MilitantRabbit]

Anyone know some good MMA websites?

[Fredo Corleone]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.

i'm not surprised - hughes is a hard core christian (even though he seems kind of angry and hateful sometimes but he's a jock) and rogan is definitely into and very vocal about things that would conflict with hughes's beliefs.

anyway, hughes has been one of my favorite fighters for years, so i hope he can get back to the top of his game and cave GSPs head in.

[( . Y . )]

here are some general mma sites, you can find most of the info here.

www.sherdog.com
www.mma.tv
www.mmaweekly.com
news.adcombat.com
www.subfighter.com

this site has some old school highlights
http://static.hugi.is/martial_arts/movies/

if you ware into muay thai you'll like this site
http://www.mikemiles.com/videoclipsk.html

other fun sites
http://www.fightcollection.com/files.php?cat=10
http://www.geocities.com/fightraining/

[Fredo Corleone]

here are some general mma sites, you can find most of the info here.

www.sherdog.com
www.mma.tv
www.mmaweekly.com
news.adcombat.com
www.subfighter.com

this site has some old school highlights
http://static.hugi.is/martial_arts/movies/

if you ware into muay thai you'll like this site
http://www.mikemiles.com/videoclipsk.html

other fun sites
http://www.fightcollection.com/files.php?cat=10
http://www.geocities.com/fightraining/

do you have the same SN on sherdog?

[Bodizapha]

I use this same sn on sherdog, those forums get so many hits its hard to keep track of all the people.

[locallounge]

Chuck Liddell wasted & Falling asleep on Live TV:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=125084

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow. :icon_eek:

Hope he's not punch drunk.

[Kid Brock]

Chuck Liddell wasted & Falling asleep on Live TV:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=125084



Haha. I saw that yesterday. It would make a good montage with the clips of him all coked up in the stands of the Ortiz fight.

[highway23]

just ordered...

can't wait

[Larz]

Wow. :icon_eek:

Hope he's not punch drunk.

Just drunken exhaustion from the partying around the Pride event I bet. He's got to get in as much as possible before starting a new training cycle.

[locallounge]

Just drunken exhaustion from the partying around the Pride event I bet. He's got to get in as much as possible before starting a new training cycle.

What Pride event? The interview was done Thursday in Dallas, TX while he was in town to promote a movie...which he isn't even in.

[burky79]

at the begining of the interview after hughes won, the first thing joe said was "im here with the champ..., oh excuse me... former champion" and he gave a great look as to say hahhahaha in hughes face. wheather or not it was intentional, it was funny. and being joe, i would guess it was intentional. either way, joe rules... funny dude.

[Palerider4146]

Haha. I saw that yesterday. It would make a good montage with the clips of him all coked up in the stands of the Ortiz fight.

I got douche chills watching that. I personally dont think he's punch drunk, he hasnt taken a hard punch in at least 4 matches. Unfortunately I think it may have been chemical induced if you get my drift. He looked like many a heroine overdose patient that I have treated in the past. Interviews like that are never good for advancing the sport.

[Palerider4146]

So I happened to find this on youtube, I thought it was going to be a complete spoof, but it looks as if Kevin "king of queens" James actually has a little bit of MMA skills. I dont expect him in the octagon anytime soon, but it turns out he is more than just a fan. Check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9qOsm8DTYeI

[burky79]

So I happened to find this on youtube, I thought it was going to be a complete spoof, but it looks as if Kevin "king of queens" James actually has a little bit of MMA skills. I dont expect him in the octagon anytime soon, but it turns out he is more than just a fan. Check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9qOsm8DTYeI

thats funny. i like the end quote...

DR : looks like we have a little seperation (refering to a shoulder i assume)
James : i do?

funny stuff.

but hey, cant knock him, most people are just couch fans and have no in ring experience or atheticism before commenting, so he can go in the gym for sparring anytime with my respect.

good find

[burky79]

WOW! wow! WOW! randy won!

[Palerider4146]

wow friggin wow, when can we officially talk about it, I'm not smaattt enough to do that little spoiler thing.

[Cromwell]

WOW! wow! WOW! randy won!
Amazing!

[mendozathejew]

tim was underrated by many, but then overrated by many. the take down defense, the standup skills- sylvia would get destroyed by cro cop and in sylvias words that '"little shit" fedor

[mendozathejew]

what do you guys think they will do with couture next? the guy was already a legend. do they put him in with cro cop right away? cro cop arguably has the best takedown defense in the game, but maybe randy finds a way. it would do big money if they make it next.

[Fredo Corleone]

what do you guys think they will do with couture next? the guy was already a legend. do they put him in with cro cop right away? cro cop arguably has the best takedown defense in the game, but maybe randy finds a way. it would do big money if they make it next.


i dunno, but i don't think i want to see randy fight cro cop. it would be a tough thing to watch him get knocked out again. then again, if anyone can take down crocop, it's randy. most guys get stuffed on CC shooting in from outside - randy is an expert at getting his opponents feet moving and knocking them off balance from there or using upper body lock takedowns. cro cop seems to push off alot on guys at their chests and keeping his hips back, but i don't know if he could stop randy from clinching and taking down like that. the one thing is, randy looked tired as hell by the third round and tim still couldn't finish. he can't get tired and drop his arms vs cc, because then it's over. the one thing is that crocop loses heart the longer a fight goes (like against hunt). i dunno- it would be awesome to see him beat mirko, but i'd also be scared to see him get hurt.

[mendozathejew]

I feel the exact same way, with reservations about seeing couture possibly take a frightful beating. but at the same time, its a classic matchup- could be the standard bearer of striker vs grappler. two of the best ever in their respective style.

and randy will make a fucking fortune off it. part of the reason he came back, besides his confidence in beating sylvia, was that he left just before the money got real good. he deserves the payday

[Bodizapha]

Gunna toot my own horn for picking the winner of the Sobral-Lambert fight.

I went 7-2 on predictions for this one. The two prelim cards fucked me, thats what i get for guessing rather then really researching the fight.

So impressed by Lambert, i had read that he had totally revamped his boxing game, and it really paid off. You saw a lot of the same head movment from him that you did from Randy in his fight.

The Kampmann-McFedries fight was one of the SICKEST arm triangles i've seen in a while.

Now is where i shamlessly plug my myspace if anybody wants to look at my predictions. http://www.myspace.com/blackeyerish (gunna need to add you as friend before you can see it) My winner predictions were good, but my picks on how the fights would end were WAYY off on a couple.

[Cybouncer]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.


What a bunch of scumbags those radio hosts were too. Here they are kissing Rogan's ass at first, then when they find out Matt didn't like him, they start trashing him.

I haven't listened to regular radio in so long, I almost forgot what over the top radio voice sounded like... BLEEEECH!

[highway23]

i was hoping to see all the under cards last night...

on the website there was supposed to be 9 fights...

bastards

[av8rOC]

currently living in a hotel for training and had a big test this morning so no way to go watch UFC last night.

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!

Congrats Randy!!!!!!

[Cybouncer]

The thing is that Randy is such a cerebral fighter. He is one of the best when it comes to knowing his opponent and does a fantastic job at predicting the next move(s). I think of all the fighters in the UFC, Randy is their best bet at beating Mirko.

[Larz]

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!


Check a torrent site, I'm sure its up on torrentspy. Luckily my neighbor taped it and I got to watch without spoilers. Un-fucking-real. Randy has the heart of a lion. Hopefully Mirko doesn't rip it out of his chest and eat it.

[Palerider4146]

Av, actually I just did a aol search for "randy couture" and checked the videos section and was able to find all but the 4th round just on there.

http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/7fba8ded85835bba39c3662c307936fc

try that link. If you do the search, make sure to sort by "most recent"

[av8rOC]

thanks guys, its up on youtube right now.

such a great fight, I have been waiting so long to see Silvia get tooled on. the fact that Randy did it just puts it over the top.

his boxing was better than anything I have seen in MMA before, he looked like a pro boxer. maybe he just exposed how weak the division is I dunno.

great fight though.

[Palerider4146]

thanks guys, its up on youtube right now.

such a great fight, I have been waiting so long to see Silvia get tooled on. the fact that Randy did it just puts it over the top.

his boxing was better than anything I have seen in MMA before, he looked like a pro boxer. maybe he just exposed how weak the division is I dunno.

great fight though.

I dont know if I would say the best boxing in MMA, because there have been some great boxers both in the past and currently, but it was by far and away the best Randy's standup has ever looked. He did a great job preparing for this fight.

I dont think he exposed the division, Sylvia is a very competent fighter and former champ, he just got out fought badly.

[urine sampler]

randy did his homework wont be suprised if he figures out Cro cop

[MikeyP]

currently living in a hotel for training and had a big test this morning so no way to go watch UFC last night.

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!

Congrats Randy!!!!!!

It's all about Usenet/Newsgroups my friend. Alt.binaries.mma is the place to be.

[MikeyP]

and randy will make a fucking fortune off it. part of the reason he came back, besides his confidence in beating sylvia, was that he left just before the money got real good. he deserves the payday


Amen my brutha..

[jules]

congrats to randy. as other people have said, i was really nervous for him after the last two liddel fights.this looked alot more like the old randy, and i couldnt be happier. imo sylvia was kind of a fraud, and i think the fact that he couldnt finish munson in the last fight was proof.
either way i think cro cop would have destroyed him.i give randy a pretty good shot against cro cop because randy maybe one of the smartest fighters out there.
i think it will be a good fight.

[Fredo Corleone]

apparently, a chance to fight crocop was one of the reasons randy came out of retirement. maybe he sees a hole in his armor like he did with big tim. how great would that be if randy turned mirko into a bloody mess like he did to belfort in their 3rd fight?

[mendozathejew]

its kinda like bernard hopkins moving up 15 pounds and winning the lt hw title last year. gaining weight naturally at an old age puts some life back in old legs

[novalia]

gj to the mods for keeping the spoilers unspoiled.. i forgot about this event and came around earlier.. i just got a chance to watch the fights tonight and boy was a happy i didnt know the results beforehand.

thumbs up

[mendozathejew]

apparently, a chance to fight crocop was one of the reasons randy came out of retirement. maybe he sees a hole in his armor like he did with big tim. how great would that be if randy turned mirko into a bloody mess like he did to belfort in their 3rd fight?

if they can get cro cop high profile enough in a short amount of time, this fight has the chance of being huge. maybe break records for ppv buys. the matchup is really as intriguing as it gets. cro cop would probably only be a slight favorite

[( . Y . )]

yes they should use randy to promote the hell out of the ufc. He is the perfect ambassador to present it to the masses. captain america should be on shitload of radio and tv shows and represent mma, and also have rampage preach to the brothas.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k128/nevaeh_012/captaincouture.jpg

Then of course promote the hell out of the showdown with the evil russian!!!

"I must Break you"
"If he dies, He dies" - crocop

[Cromwell]

That's a great picture, (.Y.) - did you do that?

Or did you find it somewhere.

Is Randy v. Crocop already confirmed as the next fight?

[Fredo Corleone]

if they can get cro cop high profile enough in a short amount of time, this fight has the chance of being huge. maybe break records for ppv buys. the matchup is really as intriguing as it gets. cro cop would probably only be a slight favorite

hopefully CC will decapitate gonzaga as punishment for making us all sit through the kevin jordan fight.

if the UFC was smart, they would buy some better crocop footage from pride. now that pride is really up shits creek, they should take what they can get. he could then use the footage and put it on spike tv as a couture vs cro cop special.

[Palerider4146]

So I can finally comment on the fight. Although Randy didnt finish him, he kept the pressure on the entire fight, unlike what Sylvia did to Monson. That has been one of his most dominant fights yet, at least for one that went that long. I have no idea where he gets the drive to do that, hell I'm 33, and just tired from typing about it.

It was a good fight for Franklin as well, I just dont think he has it yet to take back the title. If you watch some slo mo footage from his fight with Anderson, there is one shot (I think rogan had it on UFC inside, btw, did they cancel that show???) Franklin actually looks scared when in the clinch with this look on his face like, "what the hell can I do?"

I havnt seen the Kampmann fight yet, but I heard it was a sick arm triangle. I still like Jason Von Flue's arm triangle against Alex Karalexis, it was insane how he transitioned to it from being in a guillotine.

[( . Y . )]

That's a great picture, (.Y.) - did you do that?

Or did you find it somewhere.

Is Randy v. Crocop already confirmed as the next fight?


No i am not that talented, found it on sherdog. Just wanted to mencia it and share with everyone on here.

Dana said in the post fight interview if mirko gets past this next fight it would be randy vs. mirko. Although with a 6 fight deal who knows they might stretch it. Maybe CC vs. Tim first.

Also love the pic with rogan, such a cool guy. i had the privilege to go down to cali and visit the 10th planet gym. met rogan and eddy, didn't get to roll with rogan but did a quick and i mean QUICK session with bravo. i hate the rubber guard. fun bunch of guys.

[urine sampler]

I dont think dana would ruin the chance at a future ppv by letting cc kill Silvia at least he will be there for ether a rematch against randy or a contender for cc if he beats randy

[Fredo Corleone]

ufc 68 and fight night 8 salaries are out:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3544&oneid=13

UFC 68--- March 3, 2007

Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Randy Couture: $250,000 (17th fight in UFC; defeated Tim Sylvia)

-Tim Sylvia: $100,000 (11th fight in UFC; lost to Randy Couture)


Main Card Fighters

-Matt Hughes: $150,000 (18th fight in UFC; defeated Chris Lytle)

-Rich Franklin: $42,000 (9th fight in UFC; defeated Jason MacDonald)

-Renato "Babalu" Sobral: $21,000 (9th fight in UFC; lost to Jason Lambert)

-Martin Kampmann: $20,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Drew McFedries)

-Jason Lambert: $18,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Renato "Babalu" Sobral)

-Jason MacDonald: $14,000 (3rd fight in UFC; lost to Rich Franklin)

-Chris Lytle: $10,000 (8th fight in UFC; lost to Matt Hughes)

-Drew McFedries: $5,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Martin Kampmann)


Preliminary Match Fighters

-Jon Fitch: $28,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Luigi Fioravanti)

-Matt Hamill: $10,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Rex Holman)

-Luigi Fioravanti: $8,000 (4th fight in UFC; lost to Jon Fitch)

-Jamie Varner: $6,000 (2nd fight in UFC; defeated Jason Gilliam)

-Gleison Tibau: $6,000 (2nd fight in UFC; defeated Jason Dent)

-Rex Holman: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Matt Hamill)

-Jason Gilliam: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Jamie Varner)

-Jason Dent: $3,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Gleison Tibau)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $697,000



UFC Fight Night 8--- January 25, 2007

Main Event Fighters

-Rashad Evans: $24,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Sean Salmon)

-Sean Salmon: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Rashad Evans)


Main Card Fighters

-Heath Herring: $60,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Jake O'Brien)

-Hermes Franca: $24,000 (7th fight in UFC; defeated Spencer Fisher)

-Jake O'Brien: $18,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Heath Herring)

-Spencer Fisher: $13,000 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Hermes Franca)


Preliminary Match Fighters

-Nathan Marquardt: $44,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Dean Lister)

-Ed Herman: $24,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Chris Price)

-Din Thomas: $24,000 (6th fight in UFC; defeated Clay Guida)

-Rich Clementi: $20,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Ross Pointon)

-Josh Burkman: $14,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Chad Reiner)

-Dean Lister: $11,000 (3rd fight in UFC; lost to Nathan Marquardt)

-Chris Price: $7,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Ed Herman)

-Ross Pointon: $5,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Rich Clementi)

-Clay Guida: $5,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Din Thomas)

-Chad Reiner: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Josh Burkman)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $299,000

sean salmon almost died for $3,000. insane.

UFC just beat boxing and prowrestling for yearly ppv buys in 2006, so it's about time the fighters start seeing some of that.

[( . Y . )]

No doubt, the fighters should get more. I don't get hughes getting so much. the ppv numbers continue to climb, and attendance records are getting higher. i don't get why the fighters are not getting more.

Get bas in the commentator seat and rampage. bas+rogan+rampage would be my favorite commentator team.

[Palerider4146]

So what is worse, Babalu making 3 grand more than Lambert after Lambert KOd him, or Herring making $42000 more for flopping around for 3 rounds. At least Babalu tried something in his match and got kod for it.

I know that the fighters get money for ko and fight of the night. Anyone know who got those?

[mendozathejew]

the bigger names supposedly get paid an extra bonus behind the scenes by both pride and ufc

[( . Y . )]

Excellent interview with randy on espn360. class act all the way. hope he is on more shows

http://broadband.espn.go.com/ivp/splash?id=2789884

the video is a popup so anyone with popup blockers might have to allow it.

[Cromwell]

So I can finally comment on the fight. Although Randy didnt finish him, he kept the pressure on the entire fight, unlike what Sylvia did to Monson. That has been one of his most dominant fights yet, at least for one that went that long. I have no idea where he gets the drive to do that, hell I'm 33, and just tired from typing about it.


Ha! I was saying the same thing. The guy is an amazing physical specimen - especially for his age. Hell, at any age. I know guys who went out and trained with him - they said he was more dedicated than any other guy in training they had ever seen. His diet - absolutely *no* junk food.



It was a good fight for Franklin as well, I just dont think he has it yet to take back the title.


Maybe - maybe not. Anderson Silva hasn't really been completely tested yet - true, Lutter was able to take him down -but then he got punished big time for it.


If you watch some slo mo footage from his fight with Anderson, there is one shot (I think rogan had it on UFC inside, btw, did they cancel that show???)


It got canceled?


Franklin actually looks scared when in the clinch with this look on his face like, "what the hell can I do?"


That was the first time - don't expect to see the same Franklin the second time around.


I havnt seen the Kampmann fight yet, but I heard it was a sick arm triangle. I still like Jason Von Flue's arm triangle against Alex Karalexis, it was insane how he transitioned to it from being in a guillotine.

That was very impressive ju-jitsu - but Von Flue has shown he doesn't have the physical tools to compete at that weight and level. Diesel Riggs defeated him rather easily.

No i am not that talented, found it on sherdog. Just wanted to mencia itand share with everyone on here.


Ha! "Mencia it" - great expression :icon_mrgr



Also love the pic with rogan, such a cool guy. i had the privilege to go down to cali and visit the 10th planet gym. met rogan and eddy, didn't get to roll with rogan but did a quick and i mean QUICK session with bravo. i hate the rubber guard. fun bunch of guys.

Sounds cool.

Did you see Rogan rolling with Rampage. Thought Joe is good and knows his stuff - methinks there was a bit of editing going on - when they showed Joe forcing Rampage to tap out. :rolleyes:

[mendozathejew]

rogans show is supposed to start back up in the summer I think

[( . Y . )]

Did you see Rogan rolling with Rampage. Thought Joe is good and knows his stuff - methinks there was a bit of editing going on - when they showed Joe forcing Rampage to tap out.

Yea i saw that video, rampage is funny. Of course he went easy on rogan but then again he's not a submission specialist more of a standup, slam, and GnP.

I like hearing jimmy the other day mention he wants crocop in there for an interview. They should get couture in there instead.

One person i think they should get in there is maybe Jorge Masvidal, he fights on Bodog and is the guy who schooled one of Kimbo Slice's boys.

[Fredo Corleone]

Yea i saw that video, rampage is funny. Of course he went easy on rogan but then again he's not a submission specialist more of a standup, slam, and GnP.

I like hearing jimmy the other day mention he wants crocop in there for an interview. They should get couture in there instead.

One person i think they should get in there is maybe Jorge Masvidal, he fights on Bodog and is the guy who schooled one of Kimbo Slice's boys.


that fight was awesome. i love that guy masvidal. they billed him at 175, but he recently fought at 145lbs. i know alot of guys cut a ton, but he looked lean as hell, and 30lbs at that weight is ALOT. that would be like couture cutting 40+ lbs to make 205.

[( . Y . )]

Here are some future MMA stars

http://www.fugly.com/media/videodir1173301970/Amazing/8-year-old-mixed-martial-arts-champ.wmv

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmD12kLa2GM

[Palerider4146]

Here are some future MMA stars

http://www.fugly.com/media/videodir1173301970/Amazing/8-year-old-mixed-martial-arts-champ.wmv

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmD12kLa2GM

The four year old has no ground game, so fuck that one dimensional fucker.

[mendozathejew]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a33_1172831757

two fights, the second is the best street fight on the internet in a while. they actualy have some boxing amd martial arts training

[urine sampler]

hey whats up with fedor fighting lindland at the bodog fights ppv?

[( . Y . )]

Another great interview with randy couture and neil covuto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2PMcYfrIw&eurl

Another great job by couture, such a great representative of the sport.

he should do the PR for all ufc interviews with mainstream.

[Cromwell]

rogans show is supposed to start back up in the summer I think

Good to hear.


I like hearing jimmy the other day mention he wants crocop in there for an interview. They should get couture in there instead.


I'm sure he'd do it. He's been on everything lately.

The four year old has no ground game, so fuck that one dimensional fucker.

Ha, ha. Yeah, but he's got a pretty developed spinning back fist. Matt Serra - watch out!


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a33_1172831757

two fights, the second is the best street fight on the internet in a while. they actualy have some boxing amd martial arts training

Totally! That was some real shit. After the bigger guy - Ray - knocks out his first opponent - the lighter (but quicker) guy - George comes in - and schools big Ray. Of course, that was Ray's *second* consecutive fight. Fatigue becomes a factor. That's truly an open tournament. I see its only standup, though. No ground stuff at all.



hey whats up with fedor fighting lindland at the bodog fights ppv?

Is that where this fight is happening? I know the two of them are going to fight in St. Petersberg, Russia - wasn't sure when or who was the sponsor. Its a Bodog event?


Another great interview with randy couture and neil covuto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2PMcYfrIw&eurl

Another great job by couture, such a great representative of the sport.

he should do the PR for all ufc interviews with mainstream.

He pretty much is doing that now. He was on with Geraldo and Laurie Due last night - doing the exact same thing. I liked that feature better than Cavuto's questioning - he came off like a know nothing -- "looks like there are no rules" - to which Randy quickly corrected him.

[abudabit]

Is that where this fight is happening? I know the two of them are going to fight in St. Petersberg, Russia - wasn't sure when or who was the sponsor. Its a Bodog event?

Probably just broadcast in the states by Bodog, I doubt they are hosting it.

[Palerider4146]

I found this Dana White interview he did with Sherdog after UFC 68. Now say what you want about Dana, but you have to love a president of a company who uses "fuck" no less than 8 times in a interview.

Just so you know, he talks about Randy beating Tim, Pride, and Liddell and his "sleepy" interview in Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vwf675kryA

[Palerider4146]

Hey all, was just channel surfing and found on UPN, channel 9, whatever the fuck it's called now has IFL on for 2 hrs. This is the first MMA matches on broadcast tv. They still dont beat the ufc, but this is a big night for MMA.

[Palerider4146]

Ok, so I'm 18 mins into watching IFL Battleground on Upn, mynetwork whatever the fuck it is and my assesment is...this sucks massive moose cock through my ass. This piece of shit hasnt shown one fight yet and that is the best I can say of it. They have the bad announcer guy doing the narration and you would almost think it's some form of pro wrestling. Even to the point where they are talking about tonights matches (which are pretaped) and they show a slow, black and white grainy shot of a guy being loaded onto a stretcher, the bad announcer guy says in his swarm way "and before the night is over, someone is leaving the ring on a stretcher!". I was half expecting him to yell out "Johnny send him home in a body bag!".

This shit is trying to set MMA back 5 years.

[mendozathejew]

Totally! That was some real shit. After the bigger guy - Ray - knocks out his first opponent - the lighter (but quicker) guy - George comes in - and schools big Ray. Of course, that was Ray's *second* consecutive fight. Fatigue becomes a factor. That's truly an open tournament. I see its only standup, though. No ground stuff at all.

apparently the little guy is an mma fighter, currently in bodog. he fought our own joe lauzon a couple years ago. he beat joe, but since has done jack shit while joe kod lil evil


Jorge Masvidal
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=7688

[( . Y . )]

Is it true Joe is gonna be on TUF?? with jenz being one of the coaches? if that's the case i may just watch this season.

[( . Y . )]

Just found out this kid is from hawaii, I hope he comes up to the mainland for more training. would be interesting to see him in 10 years. check out his other videos on his site.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2000840688

[Fredo Corleone]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3578&zoneid=2

looks like we're getting UFC 70 for free.

[mendozathejew]

Is it true Joe is gonna be on TUF?? with jenz being one of the coaches? if that's the case i may just watch this season.
he stopped posting once the season began filming, so that would suggest yes.

assuming joe isnt a fake, which I think isnt the case

[Palerider4146]

he stopped posting once the season began filming, so that would suggest yes.

assuming joe isnt a fake, which I think isnt the case

That guy pretending to be Lauzon would be like one of us pretending to be Frank Trigg...well Lauzon may be a bit more talented though.

[Cromwell]

apparently the little guy is an mma fighter, currently in bodog. he fought our own joe lauzon a couple years ago. he beat joe, but since has done jack shit while joe kod lil evil


Jorge Masvidal
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=7688

Geez - you impress me with the shit you find out, 'doza.

Well that explains why he won then. He hits just a little harder, more accurately and doesn't get hit (as much) himself.

I'm surprised he's a 155 pounder. Obviously he was weighing more for that street fight (which I notice wasn't listed on his Sherdog win/loss stats :icon_mrgr )

[mendozathejew]

TUF 5. joe lauzon is all the way to the right
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2605/tuf5am8sv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Geez - you impress me with the shit you find out, 'doza.

thanks for the kind words cromwell. Ive got to do something with my insomnia and boredom at work

[Fredo Corleone]

TUF 5. joe lauzon is all the way to the right
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2605/tuf5am8sv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanks for the kind words cromwell. Ive got to do something with my insomnia and boredom at work

i'm kind of pissed penn is fighting pulver again. it's such a waste of penn. he could still have a rubber match with hughes, needs a rematch with GSP, could fight sanchez, koscheck, or even parysian at 170lbs. seeing the beatings that poor jens has taken the last few years, i don't see much point to this fight. also, it's pretty sad that jens was ktfo by one of the contestants - not really sure why he was selected as a coach. they need a 145lbs division for him. they need to get rampage for one of these seasons.

who is that really tall guy in the back?!

[Palerider4146]

who is that really tall guy in the back?!

I'm not sure but I think it's Earl.



A potential great TUF 5 moment:

Lauzon: So Jens when I'm in this situation, what's a good thing for me to do?

Jenz: Jab, then follow with a over hand right.

BJ: Yeah Lauzon, much like you did when you knocked Jens the fuck out.

[mendozathejew]

I'm not sure but I think it's Earl.



A potential great TUF 5 moment:

Lauzon: So Jens when I'm in this situation, what's a good thing for me to do?

Jenz: Jab, then follow with a over hand right.

BJ: Yeah Lauzon, much like you did when you knocked Jens the fuck out.
lol thats a hilarious point. I guess they decided they needed another rivalry between coaches, now with penn and pulver. cause otherwise it makes no sense. they must be banking on penn and pulver hating eachothers guts

[Rance]

http://joelauzon.com/myspace/JLAUTUF5_550w_withAddy.jpg

[mendozathejew]

good stuff rance, looking forward to the season. hopefully we have the self control to not ask for spoilers. but I cant promise anything

[Palerider4146]

Ladys and gentleman, Rance is back!!!!!! Hope it turned out well for you. By the way, is this the first season besides the comeback season where they put someone in who had prior UFC experience? This says to me what I thought they would do with last season, that the winner of this season will have a shot at the title like the comeback guys.

[Cromwell]

Nice one, Rance (Joe)

They let you use a computer, locked up in that house? :icon_mrgr

[locallounge]

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=3435

[Larz]

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=3435

"The hook is these fighters will be relegated under hip-hip celebrities who will oversee their training, culminating in a round-robin tournament."

I'm usually on the side of more MMA on TV= More gooder, but I'm really sceptical on this deal if its going to start injecting race issues into the game. I'll reserve judgement and remain hopeful until it airs.

Kimbo gets a TV show? Who saw that coming?

[Palerider4146]

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=3435

As a famous thespian once said..."It stinks and I dont like it!". A piece of shit like this along with that crap the IFL put on channel 9 last weeks is the type of things that will hurt the sport not help it.

[mendozathejew]

the game is more diverse than most people give it credit for.

I saw one hispanic boxing writer suggest that whites like mma because they can see themselves succeeding in the game where they coulndt in boxing. which is ridiculous. later in the week, the black editor in chief of the site wrote about a ufc event he went to, and said how diverse its competitors are, and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

but thats some of the shit you hear out there. I highly doubt this bet show will produce a fighter bette than rampage, koshcheck, din thomas, melvin guillard, etc etc

[Larz]

the game is more diverse than most people give it credit for.



the game is more diverse than most people give it credit for.


It is funny how certain hot zones produce consistently good MMA fighters

U.S.- Mainly due to the strength of high school/college wrestling programs. Wrestling provides a natural base for MMA, as well as intense conditioning.

Brazil- From their NHB fighting tradition

Japan- the lil fuckers invented all this shit

Eastern Europe- I dunno they're just Animals

[blackriders]

Both MMAweekly and sherdog have reported on there radioshows that the ferritta bros have purchased pride.

I guess we'll see Fedor vs Crocop in an octagon this yr.

[av8rOC]

Both MMAweekly and sherdog have reported on there radioshows that the ferritta bros have purchased pride.

I guess we'll see Fedor vs Crocop in an octagon this yr.


WOW!!!!!!!!! I hope they keep the Pride promotion and do the occasional cross promotional show. Amazing news.

Welcome back Joe. Will be rooting for you on TUF5.

[mendozathejew]

interesting that the ferritta brothers bought it, not zuffa. this will be interesting. perhaps they see this working out best if pride isnt only not owned by zuffa/ufc, but run completely on its own as well. will it be a puppet org for dana white, or will he have a counterpart in pride that has just as much control over his org as white does with ufc?

but again, I'll believe this when I see it officially announced. this is atleast the third time we've been told this by "reliable" sources

[Fredo Corleone]

if that is true, i wonder if they would dissolve pride and just go with ufc, or if they'd keep the pride brand and have 1 or 2 mega crossover shows a year. either way, i think it's good.

[abudabit]

Trained by Kimbo, a guy who only wins cause of his size, and a bunch of rappers who only pretend to be tough... yeah, these will be some real winners.

[mendozathejew]

if that is true, i wonder if they would dissolve pride and just go with ufc, or if they'd keep the pride brand and have 1 or 2 mega crossover shows a year. either way, i think it's good.

sounds more like pride is going to run completely on its own. the ferritta brothes will own it, not zuffa.

all this company needs is new owners, who arent dirty, to fill up 70 K arenas again

[mendozathejew]

rampage is a funny dude. even cro cop is laughing at this "interview" he does with a little japanese woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5YU8HwjCI

rampage would make great radio I hope the boys bring him in during promotion for the rematch with liddell

[Palerider4146]

Holy crap, cro cop showed emotion! So now all Randy needs is to have Rampage hump some nip on the side of the octagon to try and distract cro cop from caving in the right side of his skull.

[Cromwell]

the game is more diverse than most people give it credit for.

I saw one hispanic boxing writer suggest that whites like mma because they can see themselves succeeding in the game where they coulndt in boxing. which is ridiculous.


Completely.



later in the week, the black editor in chief of the site wrote about a ufc event he went to, and said how diverse its competitors are, and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.


Agreed.

Its an open field. Its just that the blacks have been slow on the ju-jitsu uptake.


I highly doubt this bet show will produce a fighter bette than rampage, koshcheck, din thomas, melvin guillard, etc etc

Wait - Koscheck is black?


It is funny how certain hot zones produce consistently good MMA fighters

U.S.- Mainly due to the strength of high school/college wrestling programs. Wrestling provides a natural base for MMA, as well as intense conditioning.


Absolutely. That was my sport in high school, and that was what originally attracted me to MMA.


Brazil- From their NHB fighting tradition


The whole Gracie thing.


Japan- the lil fuckers invented all this shit


The true source of pure ju-jitsu.


Eastern Europe- I dunno they're just Animals

Ha!

So true.

So much for "black physical superiority". Name one black who could beat Fedor?

The days of the black heavyweight boxer being the most impressive "gladiator" - its time has come and gone.

[Palerider4146]

So shall we try this again. Are we going to try and get together for the next UFC. LI's own Matt Serra is fighting GSP. I dont think I'm working.

[Larz]

Name one black who could beat Fedor?



Hey don't Jinx it!

But being that i'm 1/2 Finnish we don't really consider Russians white. They're more like Mexicans but with Nukes.

[Cromwell]

So shall we try this again. Are we going to try and get together for the next UFC. LI's own Matt Serra is fighting GSP. I dont think I'm working.
You set it up - I'm there :icon_mrgr

Hey check this out - a nice little trailor promoting the Fedor-Lindland fight coming up on April 14th.

http://www.bodogfight.com/ppv/

[Aizazzle]

UFC welterweight contender Diego Sanchez tested positive for marijuana after his first-round KO over Joe Riggs on Dec.13 at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station. Armando Garcia, the executive officer of the California State Athletic Commission, said Sanchez paid a $500 fine and served a three-month suspension, so he has been cleared to fight Josh Koscheck at UFC 69 on April7 in Houston.

[abudabit]

So much for "black physical superiority". Name one black who could beat Fedor?


Name 1 white / brazillian / or japanese guy who could beat Fedor. His only 'loss' was when an opponent used an illegal elbow to draw blood.

[mendozathejew]

Shogun has been rumored to have signed an interesting deal- 2 fights with pride and 2 fights with ufc. hes most often rated the #2 light heavyweight in the world, so this would definitely be exciting.

hes as well rounded and talented as GSP.

[blackriders]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7048
PRIDE CEO Nobuyuki Sakakibara informed staff inside the Japanese promoter's Los Angeles office Wednesday that he was stepping down as part of an agreement to sell the company to Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, who own the UFC.

According to a report by Dave Meltzer at wrestlingobserver.com, Sakakibara suggested only minor points separate the deal, which Sherdog.com first rumored on Monday, from reaching its conclusion. No contract has been signed, the report said.

While Sakakibara appears to be leaving a company he's been a part of since its inception in 1997, the man who stepped in as PRIDE CEO after Naoto Morishita committed suicide told his staff that the company would remain intact and autonomous from the UFC, but that hurdles no longer remain between UFC versus PRIDE cards, Meltzer reported.



It's all but official, I can't wait for the first major crossover event.

I'm predicting Fedor vs Crocop in a cage in December to unify the belts.

[mendozathejew]

and thats probably where shoguns reported contract of 2 fights in ufc, 2 in pride comes into play.

Id be afraid what fedor can do when he throws people into the cage and then gnp

[( . Y . )]

Will fedor do a ufc fight deal or will he goto bodog? or even elitexc?

[mendozathejew]

fedor already resigned with pride. id imagine the fertitta brothers would make him the blue chip of pride.

what happens if he fights in the cage, and does this
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/giftest2dc1.gif

[Larz]

Shogun has been rumored to have signed an interesting deal- 2 fights with pride and 2 fights with ufc. hes most often rated the #2 light heavyweight in the world, so this would definitely be exciting.

hes as well rounded and talented as GSP.

Theres a level of cruelty to Shogun's style though, it really sets him apart from other fighters. If he was a Natural HW I think he's the 1 guy that could give Fedor a run. Brutal stand-up, good Subs, great Sub defense.

Iceman-Shogun? If this ever happens I'm going to be there live. Period.

[Palerider4146]

Doesn anyone really believe the Fertitta bros are going to run the two organizations separetely. From a fighters standpoint a lot of questions are soon going to be questioned, Hollywood vs Chuck and Anderson, Shogun vs Chuck, Wandy vs chuck, Fedor vs the UFC HWs (maybe all of them should fight him at the same time) Gomi vs UFC LWs, specifically BJ.

Personally I hope the bros get rid of those freak shows that pride like to put out, but those nips really them for some reason.

How long before the UFC is back in Japan for a show.

[Barely Legal]

It would be interesting to see a Pride FC vs UFC Final Conflict-type tournament before the two brands completely lose their identities in this buyout.

[mendozathejew]

Doesn anyone really believe the Fertitta bros are going to run the two organizations separetely.


yes. pride is still a huge organization with a huge fan base in japan. dont misunderstand pride selling because it was no longer a popular product. pride was sold because the president was revealed to have mafia ties, and as a consequence lost its tv deal. in japan, having yakuza ties is like having terrorist ties here.

if pride wasnt going to be run seperately zuffa would have bought it, and dana could have had his way with it. Im sure he'll have some influence over pride, but its in the fertitta brothers best interests to see these orgs compete against eachother, with the big payoff of cross promotions.

Pride will make a ton of money in japan, and will be selling out 70,000 seats again

[Cromwell]

Speaking of Pride Tournaments - I recently watched an excellent documentary on the rise and fall of a Pride figher - Mark Kerr - called http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0320512/usercommentsThe Smashing Machine

Check it out, if you haven't seen it already.

[mendozathejew]

Holy crap, cro cop showed emotion!.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4oJsSnmGkw

check this cro cop interview out. watch it all the way through

[Cromwell]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_71_PRESALEBLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_71_PRESALEBLAST_02.jpg
This is gonna be a great fight.

[Fredo Corleone]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3669&zoneid=2

FERTITTAS BUY PRIDE



The Japanese newspapers reported today in Tokyo, Japan that the UFC has bought Pride. The UFC/Pride rumor has been circulating for awhile, but the deal appears to be done. One of the newspapers in Japan, SportsHochi, reported that the Fertittas, who owns Zuffa which operates the UFC, will start a new company thus disbanding DSE(Dream Stage Entertainment, which has been the company that Pride has operated under). DSE/Pride President Nobuyuki Sakikabara, who brought Pride to the United States and was successful in making the Pride brand one of the most compelling MMA promotions in the world, is reportedly resigning from his position.


The new company that Pride will operate under apparently will not be run by UFC or Zuffa, but will be it's own entity owned by the Fertittas. Thus Pride and the UFC being run separately. But, it is being reported that the two promotions will do a joint super show once a year. SportsHochi reports that Pride 34 on 4/8 will be the last Pride show run by DSE.


So will Pride be a Japanese or a United States promotion? Apparently, Pride looks to continue to do shows in both Japan and the United States. Intentions are to still have the Light Weight Grand Prix starting in May. The GP being made up of 3 shows, all taking place in Japan. And, the New Years Eve show is still in the plans to take place in Japan. There are also plans to do 2-3 more shows in the United States this year.



There will be a press conference held in Tokyo, Japan at the Roppongi Hills Arena on Tuesday 3/27 which will be open to the press and fans alike.

[Fredo Corleone]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_71_PRESALEBLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_71_PRESALEBLAST_02.jpg
This is gonna be a great fight.
i really hope rampage trains for this. he really needs to learn how to set up a camp and stop training with a bunch of amateurs. i want to see rampage beat the living shit out of liddell again.

[mendozathejew]

i really hope rampage trains for this. he really needs to learn how to set up a camp and stop training with a bunch of amateurs. i want to see rampage beat the living shit out of liddell again.
finally we agree on something. i dont dislike liddell, ive rooted for him many times. its just this ridiculous idea alot of new mma fans have that hes unbeatable that makes so many people turn against him.

and Im glad to see pride will be run entirely seperately from ufc and zuffa. its good for the fans, good for competition. and especially good for the fertittas wallet. they'll be filling up the tokyo dome in no time, and finally we get to see a yearly cross promotion showdown.

mma is as well run as the nba, mlb and nfl. its amazing what theyve done in the past 4,5 years

[Fredo Corleone]

finally we agree on something. i dont dislike liddell, ive rooted for him many times. its just this ridiculous idea alot of new mma fans have that hes unbeatable that makes so many people turn against him.

and Im glad to see pride will be run entirely seperately from ufc and zuffa. its good for the fans, good for competition. and especially good for the fertittas wallet. they'll be filling up the tokyo dome in no time, and finally we get to see a yearly cross promotion showdown.

i've rooted for liddell in the past too, and while i think he's definitely at the top of the 205 ladder, i'm just sick of seeing him win all the time. plus rampage has been my favorite 205 lber since he ko'd randleman and cyril abidi in k-1. also, if rampage can't do it, then i don't see anyone doing it in the ufc for awhile. rashad isn't ready, yet even if (which he probably will) he does beat tito.

i think they should do two yearly showdowns though - one in the summer and at year end. one in the ufc's octagon, one in the pride's ring.

[Cromwell]

i've rooted for liddell in the past too, and while i think he's definitely at the top of the 205 ladder, i'm just sick of seeing him win all the time. plus rampage has been my favorite 205 lber since he ko'd randleman and cyril abidi in k-1. also, if rampage can't do it, then i don't see anyone doing it in the ufc for awhile.


That's why they have the fights. They can't be "pre-programmed". The best man wins - plain and simple. Its a purity you can't dispute. Sure, there may be the occasional controversial decision - but for the most part, you know who won.

I will not bet against Chuck. However, this now is his greatest test. You have to wonder how long he will maintain that burning desire to be the best. He's a millionaire - living in a mansion - has everything he could ever want. Will he still do "wheelbarrrels" during his training this time?



rashad isn't ready, yet even if (which he probably will) he does beat tito.


I would love to see Rashad beat Tito. However, he can't take Chuck.

[Fredo Corleone]

That's why they have the fights. They can't be "pre-programmed". The best man wins - plain and simple. Its a purity you can't dispute. Sure, there may be the occasional controversial decision - but for the most part, you know who won.

I will not bet against Chuck. However, this now is his greatest test. You have to wonder how long he will maintain that burning desire to be the best. He's a millionaire - living in a mansion - has everything he could ever want. Will he still do "wheelbarrrels" during his training this time?




I would love to see Rashad beat Tito. However, he can't take Chuck.

chuck will train hard for this fight. he definitely wants his revenge on rampage, there's no doubt about that. also, liddell really does just love to fight. it's not just marketing or anything like that - the dude really loves to punch people. that doesn't mean he will always train hard for fights, but the problem is not many fighters last long enough or push him hard enough where lack of cardio might even be an issue.

since his the second silva fight, rampage has looked less than impressive, but let's hope he can get back to the rampage of a few years ago. the way liddell's been fighting, he's going to need to.

[Larz]

since his the second silva fight, rampage has looked less than impressive, but let's hope he can get back to the rampage of a few years ago. the way liddell's been fighting, he's going to need to.


At the same time, Chuck hasn't fought a Brawler since the last time he faced Rampage, about 4 years ago. He's basically been fighting grapplers which plays into his strength of hard punching +anti-takedown/submission def. Rampage has been fighting top level strikers (even if he got his ass beat). I think Rampage causes problems for Chuck on a bunch of levels.

This pride deal looks good to me, all of a sudden 205 has become a very dangerous weight class. I predict a lot of people moving to 185 especially the grapplers to go after Anderson Silva.

[Fredo Corleone]

At the same time, Chuck hasn't fought a Brawler since the last time he faced Rampage, about 4 years ago. He's basically been fighting grapplers which plays into his strength of hard punching +anti-takedown/submission def. Rampage has been fighting top level strikers (even if he got his ass beat). I think Rampage causes problems for Chuck on a bunch of levels.

This pride deal looks good to me, all of a sudden 205 has become a very dangerous weight class. I predict a lot of people moving to 185 especially the grapplers to go after Anderson Silva.


well, i think randy, babalu and vernon white all tried to brawl with him. the only thing is none of them hit as hard as rampage, and none of them have a chin as good as rampage's.

[highway23]

IFL Battleground is playing a replay on WMYT (I have no idea what the fuck that stands for)

Gracie vs. Militage

Never watched this before, but seems pretty cool.

[Larz]

well, i think randy, babalu and vernon white all tried to brawl with him. the only thing is none of them hit as hard as rampage, and none of them have a chin as good as rampage's.

absolutely. Chuck has the most unorthodox stance I've ever seen from a fighter that throws lots of punches, It's very open with seemingly little defense except for his use of angles. It works great against the fighters with minimal standing KO threat, but against anyone around 2nd tier level striking who can work a clinch it could go horribly wrong.

I still see chuck winning as long as he stays out of the clinch and keeps page on the outside while throwing agressively. Chuck just seems to have gained a step over the past couple of years while rampage seems to have lost some edge (all subjective of course).

[mendozathejew]

rampage's last fight was interesting. I thought physically, in terms of the life of a fighter, he looked very good, fresh. far from the "shot" fighter alot of us think he may be.

timing wise, he was clearly rusty, even asking for sparring partners after the fight. he wanted another fight before going at chuck, but I guess dana made him a very good offer for a contract extension.

rampage beat liddell the first time with ring generalship. both were throwing wild punches, but often enough rampage would control the fight, and do damage with straighter punches, and great defense against liddells big shots. i dont think he can win without that boxing styled ring generalship, that in the first fight did enough damage to produce the final takedown and pounding he put on chuck

[Kid Brock]

I like how they are only reporting the deal between Pride and UFC was worth 8 figures. That really narrows it down. Makes it between $10,000,000 and $99,999,999.

[( . Y . )]

rampage's last fight was interesting. I thought physically, in terms of the life of a fighter, he looked very good, fresh. far from the "shot" fighter alot of us think he may be.

timing wise, he was clearly rusty, even asking for sparring partners after the fight. he wanted another fight before going at chuck, but I guess dana made him a very good offer for a contract extension.

rampage beat liddell the first time with ring generalship. both were throwing wild punches, but often enough rampage would control the fight, and do damage with straighter punches, and great defense against liddells big shots. i dont think he can win without that boxing styled ring generalship, that in the first fight did enough damage to produce the final takedown and pounding he put on chuck


Very good insight on rampage, i wasn't too impressed with rampage when he went to WFA. I always thought his silva fights had more an effect on him. If quinton knows he can control the fight and confidence is high we see the rampage we like. I wish he did have one more fight before lidell. I don't know how many fights rampage has in his contract but if he does lose then it's a great setup for a 3rd rematch later this year.

[Cromwell]

IFL Battleground is playing a replay on

Gracie vs. Militage

Never watched this before, but seems pretty cool.

I saw that fight the first time it was aired.

I thorougly enjoyed it.

The "old timers" looked pretty good. Especially Renzo. That Giollitine choke hold was amazing.

I do like Pat Millitech, however.

I can see Hughes moving into that role once he retires as well.

These guys are great coaches (Renzo and Millitech) and still have a lot to offer MMA.

Baz Rutten too.

[wakeboardfit]

ESPN had the Pride UFC deal at $70 mil

[Fredo Corleone]

rampage's last fight was interesting. I thought physically, in terms of the life of a fighter, he looked very good, fresh. far from the "shot" fighter alot of us think he may be.

timing wise, he was clearly rusty, even asking for sparring partners after the fight. he wanted another fight before going at chuck, but I guess dana made him a very good offer for a contract extension.

rampage beat liddell the first time with ring generalship. both were throwing wild punches, but often enough rampage would control the fight, and do damage with straighter punches, and great defense against liddells big shots. i dont think he can win without that boxing styled ring generalship, that in the first fight did enough damage to produce the final takedown and pounding he put on chuck

also, by that point, liddell was gassed. even at the end of the vernon white fight, he looked like he blew his wad. he was looking at the clock an awful lot. one thing that will play in liddell's favor this time is the 5 minute rounds instead of that 10 minute first round.

rampage should get his ass over to legend's gym and train with randy and bas. i know he's trained with randy before.

[highfive]

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2814235

www.ufc.com has it posted on thier site.

[mendozathejew]

Interview with Joe Lauzon
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=538556



Ben: You knocked out Jens Pulver, a former champion and pretty much ruined his long-awaited comeback. Ever feel bad for doing something like that?

Joe Lauzon: In every fight, someone has to win, and someone has to lose. Its no different than any race, football game or anything else competitive. For someone to win, someone else has to lose. I don't think Jens would feel bad about knocking me out, so not so much

Ben: What was your reaction when the UFC asked you to be on the Ultimate Fighter? Did you think of it as an opportunity or were you saying to yourself "I just KOed a former champ, I should be up there main-eventing"?

Joe Lauzon: It was an opportunity for sure. I will get a great deal more exposure being on the show, and I will have the training experience of a lifetime.

Ben: How'd you get into fighting?

Joe Lauzon: I started watching WWF wrestling when I was in high school. We would try and submit each other and make each other give up... from there, I started training jiu-jitsu and then started fighting. Was a pretty natural progression.

Ben: Walk us through the Ultimate Fighter experience a bit. I know you can't say too much, but tell us what you can.

Joe Lauzon: "Hurry up and wait". A lot goes into the show, to make sure everything runs smoothly. I can't talk about anything on the show, but I will say it was a great experience, but something I would never do again. One TUF experience is enough for one lifetime.

Ben: How do you feel from waking up fight morning to all the hoopla leading to it to eventually walking, essentially, on stage in front of millions?

Joe Lauzon: Its like any other day. We train every day so that the nerves and things don't get to us. I would rather go out and fight in front of all those people, than sit there and do cardio in front of them.

Ben: On your myspace, you say you're a dork. As far as dorks go, you seem pretty badass, I must say. Do you think that the dork ever comes out when you are fighting?

Joe Lauzon: Eh... I've done things in fights and my first thought has been "I can't wait to add that clip to my highlight video!", but nothing too dorky. I am pretty focused, and take care of business.

Ben: When you are fighting, what are some things you typically think about? Anything out of the ordinary?

Joe Lauzon: I try to stay focused and deal with the task at hand... I'm always looking for a way to end the fight. The fight always seems much slower when its happening than watching it on tape, so I'm pretty sure my mind is racing and it seems like everything is slowed down.

Ben: What would you say to someone who calls you a horrible person for doing what you do and says that your profession is just one of anger and takes no skill?

Joe Lauzon: Ali had a great quote... something like "The wind blows, grass grows, I beat people up. Its just a job". People that say it has no skill aren't worth even arguing with... they are already set in their ways if they refuse to acknowledge all the skills that go into fighting. Wrestling, Boxing, Judo.... all olympic sports. Put them together, and they want to say there is no skill there? Please.

Ben: You work for a company called 6121studios, which is a full-service communication design studio. You edit videos and you make websites. That's a pretty interesting gig you've got when coupled with the whole "ultimate fighting" thing. Tell us a bit about your job.

Joe Lauzon: 6121 Studios is a small company we run. Its super small, and just a front end to getting website jobs and whatnot. Its something we do on the side. My normal day job is doing computer "stuff"... I'm a network admin.

Ben: You also said that you are a pretty quiet guy and, once someone gets you talking about fighting, you won't shut up. What do you think about the current state of the UFC?

Joe Lauzon: I think the UFC is something fighters should be looking to attach themselves too. The UFC is going places, and they are happy to bring fighters along with them.

Ben: Do you keep up with all the business aspects of the MMA world and, if you do, what do you think about the whole Pride business?

Joe Lauzon: The move to buy Pride was a good one, and I think it will only help. Some people are screaming monopoly, but they need to just relax. The UFC is the biggest promotion, but there are still other shows out there. This will lead to us seeing some dream matches we would never see otherwise.

Ben: Think you could beat Takanori Gomi...in a non-title bout?

Joe Lauzon: Hah. Here or in Japan? Two very different fighters. I have no idea...

Ben: Have you ever felt that the UFC hasn't given you enough credit for your win over Jens and is rather playing up the fact that he lost to you as opposed to you beat him?

Joe Lauzon: The UFC wasn't giving me a lot of credit going in... but I definitely get more coming out. I don't get caught up in all of that... I'm just here to fight.

Ben: Do you plan on fighting as long as you can?

Joe Lauzon: I will fight as long as I enjoy it and have a good time. When its not fun anymore, I will walk away and be done with. I think I will always train, but fighting takes a lot more time and is a much bigger commitment.

Ben: A lot of people out there don't know a damn thing about you. Just give me some facts, some interesting tidbits.

Joe Lauzon: Born in Brockton, Mass. Moved to the small town of East Bridgewater in 4th grade. Was always a quiet kid. Played baseball in high school. Always messing around with computers and video games. Got into fighting, and now I get recognized in grocery stores. Nice little unique progression.


Ben: What do your parents think about all this?

Joe Lauzon:
They love it. My mom was scared in the beginning, but she knows my brother and I can take care of ourselves. My dad has loved it all along... he got in his fair share of fights when he was younger. Both are super supportive though, which is great when fights don't go all that well.

Ben: You have a brother who fights as well. What was that like growing up? Think you guys could take on the other brother duos in MMA?

Joe Lauzon: We always beat on each other. I have another brother in between Dan and I, but he doesn't fight. Since we were little, we would always gang up on each other. Teams would change, but it was always 2 on 1. I think Dan and I could hang with whoever they want to put us up against... except maybe the Emelianenko's... that wouldnt be so much fun.

Ben: A lot of times while the Ultimate Fighter can give a fighter much more exposure, some followers of the sport will dismiss these fighters as ones who haven't worked for the spots that they get. For example guys like Forrest Griffin seem to get a big push and a lot of fans out there don't believe they deserve it. Are you worried about that at all?

Joe Lauzon: I think I earned my push without the show by knocking out Jens. I think being on TUF will help, but it wont be the only thing people know me from. I'm not worried in the least.

Ben: Favorite fighter(s)?

Joe Lauzon: Fedor

Ben: Where will Joe Lauzon be in 5 years?

Joe Lauzon: Your guess is as good as mine.

Ben: This next one is kinda goofy, but what the hell...What did you dream of being when you grew up?

Joe Lauzon: A ghost-buster.

Ben: One thing that really grabbed me about you is the fact that you haven't gotten a big head about your victory over Pulver and that there is still a lot you can learn from him and other people. A lot of times fighters will just be cocky and bigheaded, but you seem pretty level. To what do you attribute that to?

Joe Lauzon: "You are only as good as your last fight". You can go from the top of the world to down in the dumps real fast. I keep a level head because I know its just one bad fight before no one cares.

Ben: Who'd win in a rematch between you and Jens and how?

Joe Lauzon: I still win that, I think. In a fight, anything can happen. But I think I get the takedown and work him on the ground until I find a way to finish.

Ben: Think, after a few months of training, I could kick your ass? Think maybe I'll make a good joke at some point in this interview?

Joe Lauzon: Come to Mass, and you are welcome to try, hah.

Ben: And finally, anything you want to say that might completely jar a fan's mindset of you? Any totally unique and interesting hobbies?

Joe Lauzon: I have a 5 pound bucket of cookie dough in my fridge... and I don't exactly bake cookies.
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[Larz]

Its being reported on a couple of MMA sites that Brandon Vera Has signed a contract extension with the UFC and is looking to stick around after his next fight. Things just keep gettin interesting especially in the HW div.

[Cromwell]

Interview with Joe Lauzon
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=538556
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Thanks for posting this, mendoza.

I really like this kid. I communicate with him a little bit on Myspace.

I'll be rooting for him.

[mendozathejew]

no problem crom, heres a quote from another interview

5. What CDs are you always listening to?

JL: Right now I really like the new Papa Roach CD. It has a lot of good songs that could apply to fighting and training. I also listen to everything from Outkast to Linkin Park to Opie and Anthony on XM Radio

http://www.mmafighting.com/gettingtoknow/joelauzon.html

I'll be rooting for him too, someone needs to tell the boys about him

[StonerJack]

Thats cool he listens to the show. Wackbag or XM should sponsor him, get signage on his shorts. Fighters are always looking for sponsors.
And afted KOing Jens and being on TUF he will be in the game for awhile.

[Cromwell]

JL: I also listen to everything from Outkast to Linkin Park to Opie and Anthony on XM Radio

http://www.mmafighting.com/gettingtoknow/joelauzon.html

I'll be rooting for him too, someone needs to tell the boys about him

Anthony - we know you read everything on this board. Please have one of your staff initiate contact with Joe Lauzon. :icon_cool



Thats cool he listens to the show. Wackbag or XM should sponsor him, get signage on his shorts. Fighters are always looking for sponsors.

O&A appear to be heavily advertised by Calvin Aire's Bodog martial arts events. I think that's good - but a guy like Joe Lauzon - who is an actual fan of the show - deserves some attention.

They've had Chuck on - and talk about him from time to time - and that's very cool - also Rogan (thought he is a commedian as well) so why not our "Rance" here?

[StonerJack]

They need Rogan to hook up a Rampage in studio interview, he would kill on air.

[blackriders]

They need Rogan to hook up a Rampage in studio interview, he would kill on air.


I wonder how many calls they'd get from listeners saying they were to pussy to say anything bad about black people.

[mendozathejew]

rampage would be an alltime best guest. I really think it would go that well.


by the way, saturday robbie lawler fought frank trigg in Icons show in hawaii. It was offered free in the internet, and the quality of the picture and the fights was great. they also had bj penn, couture, rampage, and pulver in the ring to promote some things.

lawler knocked trigg out in a really brutal fight
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/912/robbielawlerfranktrigggg0.gif

[Larz]

Thats cool he listens to the show. Wackbag or XM should sponsor him, get signage on his shorts. Fighters are always looking for sponsors.
And afted KOing Jens and being on TUF he will be in the game for awhile.


Thats a really great idea, and most of these guys are fucking starving so I can't imagine it would be that expensive (unless of course the UFC gets a cut of sponsorships)

[Larz]

lawler knocked trigg out in a really brutal fight
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/912/robbielawlerfranktrigggg0.gif


No fan of Lawler but Trigg deserved it after his stupid stunt at the weigh in. I'm glad the ref was a little slow and Lawler got that last shot in.

[StonerJack]

I thought Trigg would win after his big win in Pride 33.
Fuck Lawler, I'm a big Nick Diaz fan, Lawler was the UFC posterboy when Nick beat the shit out of him in one of my all time favorite fights.

[Larz]

Nick fucking schooled him. His younger brother is going to be on the next TUF and is supposedly a total psycho.

[mendozathejew]

nick diaz is an angry young man. 99 times out of 100 id hate that guy and root against him. for some reason Im a diaz fan.

[StonerJack]

Nate Diaz is pretty good, he had a tough fight against Hermes Franca for his last bout, last in rd2 but was not overmatched, and Hermes is no joke.

[StonerJack]

Rumor has it that the UFC is bringing Shogun Rua over from Pride to fight the winner of Chuck v Rampage.

[Larz]

Nate Diaz is pretty good, he had a tough fight against Hermes Franca for his last bout, last in rd2 but was not overmatched, and Hermes is no joke.


Scoured the web looking for video but couldn't find any. Maybe since it was WEC which is now under Zuffa (their lawyers are nasty about content floating around). I'd really like to see this fight if anyone has it.

I did stumble accross a HL vid on myspace. Looks like this kid is for real. He's got some stand up, good ground game.


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1459463308

[Palerider4146]

So has anyone heard from Ant in regards to Rance? They should get the kid on the show, he could even call in to promo the show on Thursday or Wednesday.

[StonerJack]

I have been talking to Joe through his myspace, he seems completely willing to take any O&A related sponsorship.
What do you guys think would be the best way to help this kid? He said he is guessing a spot on his shorts to be a little over 2k, the shirt b4 and after would obviously be less. Should someone make a thread in general discussion? Email steve at Foundry? Or what?

[mendozathejew]

yeah definitely we should all send an email or make a call. I actually tried calling twice last week, and the response I got from the screener might as well have not been in english. I have no fucking idea what he said

[StonerJack]

I started a TUF5 thread in the TV section.

[Fredo Corleone]

looks like they just added igor vov vs. vanderlei to the pride 34 card:
http://www.chuteboxe-usa.com/

if vanderlei gets ko'd again, i think my head will explode. go igor!

[Rance]

Interview I did talking about TUF5: http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3514

You degenerates are all going to watch tomorrow, right?

[Fredo Corleone]

Interview I did talking about TUF5: http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3514

You degenerates are all going to watch tomorrow, right?

indeed. pm me some spoilers!

[Palerider4146]

Interview I did talking about TUF5: http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3514

You degenerates are all going to watch tomorrow, right?

Rance my man, of course!!! I cant wait to see Jens' reaction to seeing you in the gym.

We started a thread in the main section so that non sports/mma wackbaggers can find out about the show, lots of good reactions so far.

The next step would be to get you to call in to the show tomorrow. I'm sure Spike would love the promo and I really think that you should do a phoner every Friday morning after the show to talk about it, but that's just me.

[Rance]

The screeners are jackasses. I tried calling in once when they were talking about the UFC and Kimbo. I told them "I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo fight" and the kid goes "So....?" and hung up on me.

[mendozathejew]

The screeners are jackasses. I tried calling in once when they were talking about the UFC and Kimbo. I told them "I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo fight" and the kid goes "So....?" and hung up on me.
which kimbo fight were you at?

and did you see that guy jorge midsval beat up kimbos boy? I know you fought him a while ago, was wondering what you thought

[Cromwell]

The screeners are jackasses. I tried calling in once when they were talking about the UFC and Kimbo. I told them "I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo fight" and the kid goes "So....?" and hung up on me.
Sad to say they are a little "slow on the uptake" Joe.

We need to get you past the initial line of "interns" and on to guys like Erock, Danny, Travis, etc.

Again - Anthony - here is a bona fide MMA "celebrity" - who wants to do something with the show. Take note. It could actually be a week where you didn't need to go to "stalker patty" for "content" :rolleyes:

Here's tonights promo pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/UFN_9_TONIGHT1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/UFN_9_TONIGHT2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/TUF5_PREMIERE_BLAST.jpg

[Rance]

which kimbo fight were you at?

and did you see that guy jorge midsval beat up kimbos boy? I know you fought him a while ago, was wondering what you thought


I was there when Kimbo fought Gannon. I did see Jorge's fight in that parking lot or wherever it was. He did well. Jorge was fighting at 155 before, but he was like 185 or so, so he is no small kid. I thought he did great, especially considering he was going against someone a lot bigger. That being said... I think Jorge was Kimbo's boy moreso than the other way around. Kimbo was training at FFA with the Avellon brothers, and thats where Jordge trains.

[Rance]

Sad to say they are a little "slow on the uptake" Joe.

We need to get you past the initial line of "interns" and on to guys like Erock, Danny, Travis, etc.

Again - Anthony - here is a bona fide MMA "celebrity" - who wants to do something with the show. Take note. It could actually be a week where you didn't need to go to "stalker patty" for "content" :rolleyes:


Whatever. I tried once. If they want to get in touch with me, they can email chris@mma.tv (my manager). I would like to do something, but I'm not going to call in and have interns hang up on me.

[Palerider4146]

That was me who just got through to the boys.

[Rance]

Cool. I wasn't listening at the time, but had 3 people send me IMs saying someone called in. What was the jist of it?

[Palerider4146]

I basically got through just as they were going off. I told them that Wackbag's own Rance, aka Joe Lauzon will be a contestant on Spike's The Ultimate Fighter at 10 pm tonight, then every thursday at 10 pm. I felt like lil Jimmy giving a plug. I also told them that you have tried to call in a bunch of times but kept getting shafted by the screeners. Ope then made sure to get the plug out their again and said they will try to look out for you again now that they know. I'm going to email Ant and get steves email so they can contact your manager directly in the future.

Hey you better last for a while on the show!!! Jk, I cant wait to see Jens face when he see's you in the gym.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

How did I possibly not know this thread existed.....

damn I suck

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Cool. I wasn't listening at the time, but had 3 people send me IMs saying someone called in. What was the jist of it?
Yo bro, what's up?

Where do you train out of?

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

The screeners are jackasses. I tried calling in once when they were talking about the UFC and Kimbo. I told them "I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo fight" and the kid goes "So....?" and hung up on me.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of them in particular either. I'm not exactly your level quite yet, but I know a little something about the ol' fistacuffs, tried calling a couple times when Rogan was on...but the screeners when presented with an intelligent MMA question usually don't bother. You have to call up with "Yeah I think Liddell would knock him out" to get on.....and nothing against Liddell mind you, he's just not the only fighter on the planet.

[Rance]

I train with Team Aggression in Bridgewater, MA. Getting my managers email to Steve would be the best way to do it. Set up a time to call in or whatever. I would call in tomorrow, but I am flying to Texas around 7am and will be on the plane until I think 11. So I will miss the show while its on. Should be around for all the future Thursdays/Fridays though.

[sniper]

Wow, I have 4 reasons to root for him, O&A Fan, Wackbagger, fellow tech nerd, and his training ground is 20 minutes from me. Good luck, Joe!

Get this guy on the show!

[Palerider4146]

Rance I sent Steve a nice email and forwarded you managers email to him. Hopefully they will do the right thing. Your not fighting this weekend right? Or are they putting you guys in the crowd to pump up the show?

[Bodizapha]

Been busy as hell with work so i havent posted in this thread for a while, but here are my predictions for the UFN card tonight!


My predictions for the fight tonight!

Pellegrino vs. Mohr

Mohr is a last minute replacement for Wander Braga, he comes into the fight with a few wins in XFO & King of the Cage. However Pellegrino has a laundry list of wins in various grappeling competitions. My heart will be pulling for Mohr but with short notice my head says that Pellegrino wins this fight with a first round submission.

Carneiro vs. Clementi

Still cashing a paycheck from TUF4 "No Love" Clementi steps into the octagon tonight against a up and comer of the Brazilian Top Team. Carneiro has finished his last few fight with ease, showcasing textbook submission skills. That beeing said, the crafty Clementi has been around the block more then a few times. If Clementi can controll the pace of this fight, i predict a judges decesion for "No Love."

Gouveia vs. Petruzelli

If you are a betting man, this is my pick of the night! I love Gouveia in this fight. Petruzelli's last bought in the UFC was against TUF3 golden boy Matt Hammill. Petruzelli'a couldn't seal the deal against Matt, who's striking is as fierce as a sedated poodle. Gouveia's crutch has been starting fights strong and falling apart in the later rounds. We saw that against Keith Jardine last year in his UFC debut. As long as Gouveia pushes the pace and doesnt gas, this fight is his to win or loose. Gouveia, KO in the 2nd.

Kotani vs. Tavares

This is the fight that you can probably leave your seat, grab a beer, step outside and have a smoke, and come back to once the blood is flowing again. Both fighters come into this fight with more submission skills then I have bad pick up lines. Tavares is undefeated since going pro, and i do not see that changing after tonight. This will be a three round BJJ chess match. A delight for some of us to watch, agony for the a.d.d. mma fans. Don't expect any dirty boxing, fighting out of the clinch, or devastating high kicks. I suspect the only highlight out of this fight will be a judo toss to open the fight. Tavares in a judges decesion.

Hironaka vs. Petz

This fight really doesnt need a lot of in-depth discussion. One guy likes to bang, one guy likes to roll. Petz wants to keep it on two feet, and land a punch like he has six other times in his carrer. Before loosing to John Fitch(5-0 in the UFC), Hironaka's only other loss in five years was a stoppage from a cut in 2005. For those keeping track at home, thats five years with out a loss. Hironaka's has a highlight reel of submission in Shooto, and as long as he doesnt get lazy in the later rounds, his game is just plain better then Petz. Hironaka in a judges decesion.

Fickett vs. Nakamura

Remember the "Hit the Road" matches the WWF used to have back in the 80's. Where the looser packed his bags and was forced to leave the ring never to return again? Well, this is as close as it gets in MMA. Fickett has seen both glory and agony in the UFC on both UFN and PPV cards. Nakamura has tasted victory all over southeast Asia, but yet to have his hand lifted in the UFC. With Zuffa buying Pride the welterweight division is now saturated with talent. The winner of this fight will probably be able to sneak onto on or two more ppv cards and the occasional t.v. bought, where the looser packs their bags and heads back to the gym as a training partner. Both fighters have more wins via choke out then Robert Downey Jr. has stints in rehab. Expect another chess match between two guys who need a win to stay in the money. This is the best matchup on the entire card for the night, essentially the best fight nobody is talking about. Fickett has faced some quality competition in the octagon, Nakamura hasen't. If this fight was in a ring in Thailand i'd give it to Nakamura. But its in a cage in the U.S. Fickett in a judges decesion.

Florian vs. Mishima

Short and sweet, Mishima is out matched. Yet again Zuffa pads a TUF fighter coming off a tought loss. Florian lasted five rounds against the freakish Sean Serk. KenFlo is back in the states after an internship in several Muy Thai gyms overseas. As if his razor sharp elbows needed any more fine tuning. Mishima is a tough guy who has fought some serious talent. He brings to the octagon the showmanship and tenactiy Asian fighters are known for. His striking and submission are just sub-par to that of Florian. If you are in to mood for a prop bet, i'll take Florian to win this buy TKO stoppage from a cut.

Hardonk vs. McCully

I wish i could feign some excitment for this fight, but i cannot. I would be more excited about taking home a fat girl then watching this fight. Hardonk 5-2 in mma, and the only interesting aspect of his game is that he trains with Rickson Gracie. McCully hasnt fought in three years, and the only interesting aspect of his game is that he trains with Tito Ortiz. Now that i have already wasted two minutes of my life typing that out for you, the only rationality for this fight is to supply the Mickey's Fine Malt Liquor induced crowd with a highlight reel knock out. God bless Zuffa for dumbing down a great UFN card with two cans throwing haymakers untill one falls. Hardonk KO first round.

Stevenson vs. Guillard

This should have been the fight for the contract on TUF2. Instead Guillard lost in the 2nd episode in a questionable decesion to Burkman. Since then Stevenson has defeated both Yves Edwards and Mishima. Guillard has spilt more blood in the ocatgon then Maximus did in gladiator. Both Marcus Davis and Josh Neer have been cut BAD buy the Young Assain. Its been almost a year and a half since TUF 2. Both these fighters are two totally different people from when we first saw them on Spike. Stevenson has trained with some of the best, and still is arguably the flagship fighter for the Cobra Kai School in Vegas. Stevenson is a well rounded fighter, he can bang, he can stand, he can take you down, and he can submit you. His best bet is going to be to get Guillard on his back and overwhelm his opponent early. But easier said then done. This fight has had more shittalking then a sixth grade locker room. Allegations of everything from the use of human groth hormones, trainers jumping ship to the other fighters camp, and lord knows what else. Anybody who has picked on somebody smaller then them knows, you can never underestimate a guy with a chip on his shoulder. Melvin has a chip on his shoulder the size of Rhode Island. He had the fight against Neer won, and he got lazy. He should have had a fight for the TUF2 contract and he blew it. To quote Joe Rogan, "Melvin Guillard is a much muscle you can pack on 165lbs." Guillard has the kind of hunger that wins belts. The kind of hunger i have never seen out of Stevenson. So thats why I am taking the Young Assasin to upset, and win in the 3rd via ground and pound.


Flame away!

[Rance]

Rance I sent Steve a nice email and forwarded you managers email to him. Hopefully they will do the right thing. Your not fighting this weekend right? Or are they putting you guys in the crowd to pump up the show?

Not fighting... just going to watch.

[Cromwell]

I did see Jorge's fight in that parking lot or wherever it was.


Ha, ha. :icon_mrgr

Was that a true "open tournament" or what? Joe - would you ever do anything like that?



He did well. Jorge was fighting at 155 before, but he was like 185 or so, so he is no small kid. I thought he did great, especially considering he was going against someone a lot bigger.


He got hit less and was more efficient with his own punches. However, his opponent was on his second consecutive fight.

Looking forward to all the stuff on Spike tonight.

[Larz]

Been busy as hell with work so i havent posted in this thread for a while, but here are my predictions for the UFN card tonight!



Guillard-Stevenson: At 155 in the striker-groundfighter matchup theres an inherent advantage to the Sub game. Guillard is very dangerous standing but as long as Stevenson doesn't try to brawl I think he pulls it out.

I like the rest of your breakdown, I'm not sure A loss for Ficket would be as dire as u make it out to be but WW is competitive as hell. Mishima will probably be out the door on this 1 though unless he gets the upset.

[Larz]

Man I thought Mishima was gonna snap Florian's leg holy shit.

[DoughBoy]

Heh, funny to see 'Batman' fighting.

[Palerider4146]

I thought for sure Kenflos leg was going to snap, but nice job by him, I enjoyed that fight.

Nice quick win by Stevenson.

Hodunk and Mcally snooooooooooooooooz.

[Cromwell]

Been busy as hell with work so i havent posted in this thread for a while, but here are my predictions for the UFN card tonight!

Stevenson vs. Guillard

This should have been the fight for the contract on TUF2. Instead Guillard lost in the 2nd episode in a questionable decesion to Burkman. Since then Stevenson has defeated both Yves Edwards and Mishima. Guillard has spilt more blood in the ocatgon then Maximus did in gladiator. Both Marcus Davis and Josh Neer have been cut BAD buy the Young Assain. Its been almost a year and a half since TUF 2. Both these fighters are two totally different people from when we first saw them on Spike. Stevenson has trained with some of the best, and still is arguably the flagship fighter for the Cobra Kai School in Vegas. Stevenson is a well rounded fighter, he can bang, he can stand, he can take you down, and he can submit you. His best bet is going to be to get Guillard on his back and overwhelm his opponent early. But easier said then done. This fight has had more shittalking then a sixth grade locker room. Allegations of everything from the use of human groth hormones, trainers jumping ship to the other fighters camp, and lord knows what else. Anybody who has picked on somebody smaller then them knows, you can never underestimate a guy with a chip on his shoulder. Melvin has a chip on his shoulder the size of Rhode Island. He had the fight against Neer won, and he got lazy. He should have had a fight for the TUF2 contract and he blew it. To quote Joe Rogan, "Melvin Guillard is a much muscle you can pack on 165lbs." Guillard has the kind of hunger that wins belts. The kind of hunger i have never seen out of Stevenson. So thats why I am taking the Young Assasin to upset, and win in the 3rd via ground and pound.



Flame away!


Um - "Flame" :icon_mrgr

Could you have been more wrong? :rolleyes:

Guillard is a dope.

I'm so impressed with Stevenson. He has really improved his game.

First off, he "out boxed" the boxer. It was Joe who found the seam and knocked the bigger man right on the button.

Then, when he sunk that giollotine choke - it was tap city.

Impressive. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

triple post! nice

damn laptop touchpads

[Kid Brock]

Um - "Flame" :icon_mrgr

Could you have been more wrong? :rolleyes:

Guillard is a dope.

I'm so impressed with Stevenson. He has really improved his game.

First off, he "out boxed" the boxer. It was Joe who found the seam and knocked the bigger man right on the button.

Then, when he sunk that giollotine choke - it was tap city.

Impressive. :icon_cool



All that shit talking and down right slander he has been spilling this week and he lasted a whole 27 seconds. Nothing I love more than when the cocky ones get choked out early. You can't talk trash when you are unconscience on the mat. With that being said I hope the 10' tall LW Hall meets the same fate on TUF this season.

[Bodizapha]

Tell me about it, the minute that Melvin went to hip sweep he took his head away from the center of Stevensons chest and let it slide to his ribs. I jumped off my couch and screamed watch out for the choke!!

By the time i exhaled the fight was over. What can i say, you win some you loose some. Kudos to Stevenson and Cobra Kai.

Overall 6-3 on the night, so not too shabby. Really with they would have televised the Fickett fight rather then the debauch that was the McCully fight.

Interesting note, you could see Minotauro sitting ringside with Dana during the undercards.

[Chino Kapone]

i expected alot more out of melvin last night. i think the fight went exactly how joe planned it to. melvin is a physical specimen that should spend more time on his ground game than in the weight room.

[Bodizapha]

My picks for UFC 69


Josh Haynes vs. Luke Cummo

East coast squares off against West coast in the opening bout of the night. Two TUF vets slide their way onto a ppv card here. Team Quest's Haynes has been on a downward slide as of late. Bloody losses to both Michael Bisping and Rory Singer. Luke Cummo on the other hand comes off a few decesion wins over some decent fighters the last year. Haynes can take a punch to the face with the best of them, his chin pays homage to that of Cabbage, Rampage, and a host of other gladiators. He was bricks for hands but often simply lacks the ability to controll his opponents enough to use them. Cummo comes into the fight with the momentum, and will leave with it as well. Expect the season two vet to walk away the judges decesion.

Marcus Davis vs. Pete Spratt

Another battlers of the TUFers, Season 4 saw Pete Spratt heart as a fighter questioned by his teammates. His fights as of late have done nothing to prove otherwise. Davis on the other hand has knotches on his belt against both Shonie Carter and Forrest Petz. Pray to Dana White that the looser of this fight is allowed to peacefully fade away into sunset. My bet is on Marcus Davis in the first round.

Thales Leites Vs. Pete Sell

Drago returns to the ring since his astonishing KO loss to Scott Smith. A fight in which he dominated well into the second round, only to be caught by one of the sickest hail mary punches ever thrown in the UFC. Leites is a brazilian with well rounded stand-up and ground game. In his only previous UFC bout he was defeated by a ret hot striker in Martin Kampmann. This is a bad match-up for Leites and unless he can work a submission early in the fight i don't see him beeing able to stand and bang with Sell. Pete "Drago" Sell take the judges decesion in this fight.

Brad Imes Vs. Heath Herring

What happens when you lock two 250 pounds texas rednecks in a cage with each other? A stampede. Imes has been m.i.a. in the UFC since dropping his second UFC bout after the TUF finale. Entering the reality show with less then a years MMA training is amazed television viewers by outlasting castmates all the way to the final fight. Then he was intoduced to Rashad Evans. The rest in history. Back in the present day, the UFC sling a chunk of changes to bring in PrideFC heavyweight Mercenary Heath Herring. After an awful debut against Jake O'Brian. Not ready to call it quite on the Texas Crazy Horse, the UFC looks to pad another fight for a guy the are probably paying too much money too. Heath gets fed a can to try to put him over to a hometown audience.... before the rest of Pride's heavy weight decesion start to infiltrate the UFC and gets stuck looking in from the outside just like he was foced to do in Japan. Heath Herring TKO hopefully by at least the second round.

Alan Belcher vs. Kendall Grove

TUF 3 winner "Da Spyda" Grove climbs his way up the ppv chain after an amazing fight against Chris Price. Training with both Cobra Kai and Team Punishment anoybody who is anybody was talked about how much Grove has improved in the last year. At 6'6" he will be a handfull for even the top level fighters at middleweight. Belchers KO victory over Jorge Santiago last December is just enough smoke and mirrors for his to appear to be a real fight. But truth be told, this is Grove's second fight and they are not giving him a serious opponent yet. Expect Grove to walk all over Belcher, "Da Spyda" with a submission in the 2nd round.

Yushin Okami Vs. Mike Swick

Hands down the fight i am looking forward to most. Okami is 3-0 in the UFC. Against three fighters who are b-level talent at best. Yushin trains with Caol Uno in Japan, his striking is impressive and he has a tenacuty for the ground and pound that you dont normally see in Asian fighters. Mike Swick is riding high over a decesion win over "The Crow." In a bout where most people credited Louiseau with beeing gun-shy more then anything, Swick's striking looked the best it has ever been, also he was taken down ONCE in the fight. Twenty seconds later he escaped and was back on his feet. Expect this one to get ugly. Expect a lotta work out of the clinch, a lot of dirty elbows, and some serious bone crunching body shots. It will be a war from stop to finish, but i see Mike Swick with a judges decesion.

Diego Sanchez Vs. Josh Koscheck

I really cannot say anything about this fight that has not already been said. Kos is looking for redemption after a close decesion loss to Diego in the first season of TUF. Since then, Koscheck has evolved from a good wrestler to a good fighter. On the other hand, Diego has evolved from a good fighter, to an amazing fighter. I don't know what is in the water at Greg Jackson's camp down in New Mexico, but if Diego comes out half as fierce as his teamates Keith Jardine and Rashad Evans already have this year, this fight will be a cake walk. Kos may throw his weight around a few times in the first round, but Sanchez will outlast him and out stike him from ever inch of the octagon. Diego wins with the TKO.

Roger Huerta Vs. Leonard Garcia

Two white hot fighters square off in what i predict will probably be the fight of the night. Huerta is 12-1 in his last thirteen fights, most recently in a bizarre stoppage against Miletch product John Halverson. Garcia himself has put together a string of eight wins most of which by submission in the first round. His most recent loss going all the way back to 1999. These two lightweights will bring fireworks to the octagon. Huerta is a scary efficent striker from both his feet and on the ground. Garcia gorund game is deep, but Herta will prove to be too much for him to maintain out of the guard. Herta to win with a KO.

Georges St-Pierre Vs. Matt Serra

The main event for the night pits newly crowned welterweight champ St-Pierre against TUF4 winner Matt Serra. I like both these guys, a lot. This is the kind of fight I hate to see becasue i have so much respect for the fighters i hate to see one walk away a loser. So, keeping myself emotionally detached from this fight i will break it down to some basic mathmatics. Matt Serra squeaked out a win again Chris Lytle to wins a title shot. St-Pierra tatooed Matt Hughes head with one of the sickest head kicks i have seen in the UFC in years. To his credit, "Rush" manhandeled Matt Hughes the entire first round of their fight, putting on a kick boxing and muy thai clinic. Last month Matt Hughes controlled Chris Lytle for three rounds like he was a ragdoll. So, on paper it makes sense. Matt Hughes dominated somebody Matt Serra has to scratch, claw, and brawl tooth and nail to defeat. St.-Pierre defeated Matt Hughes with out getting his heart rate above 97 bpm. I love Serra and i love his attitude, but expect St. Pierre to make short work of Serra, most likey with a ground and pound stoppage in the 3rd round.

[Cromwell]

My picks for UFC 69

Josh Haynes vs. Luke Cummo

East coast squares off against West coast in the opening bout of the night. Two TUF vets slide their way onto a ppv card here. Team Quest's Haynes has been on a downward slide as of late. Bloody losses to both Michael Bisping and Rory Singer. Luke Cummo on the other hand comes off a few decesion wins over some decent fighters the last year. Haynes can take a punch to the face with the best of them, his chin pays homage to that of Cabbage, Rampage, and a host of other gladiators. He was bricks for hands but often simply lacks the ability to controll his opponents enough to use them. Cummo comes into the fight with the momentum, and will leave with it as well. Expect the season two vet to walk away the judges decesion.


Cummo has bee a favorite of mine since TUF2. I hope you are correct and he wins this. His knees are deadly from in the clinch. Long Island rules!



Marcus Davis vs. Pete Spratt

Another battlers of the TUFers, Season 4 saw Pete Spratt heart as a fighter questioned by his teammates. His fights as of late have done nothing to prove otherwise. Davis on the other hand has knotches on his belt against both Shonie Carter and Forrest Petz. Pray to Dana White that the looser of this fight is allowed to peacefully fade away into sunset. My bet is on Marcus Davis in the first round.


Interstings. I too have no horse in this race.


Thales Leites Vs. Pete Sell

Drago returns to the ring since his astonishing KO loss to Scott Smith. A fight in which he dominated well into the second round, only to be caught by one of the sickest hail mary punches ever thrown in the UFC. Leites is a brazilian with well rounded stand-up and ground game. In his only previous UFC bout he was defeated by a ret hot striker in Martin Kampmann. This is a bad match-up for Leites and unless he can work a submission early in the fight i don't see him beeing able to stand and bang with Sell. Pete "Drago" Sell take the judges decesion in this fight.


I root for Sell here. Long Island rules.


Brad Imes Vs. Heath Herring

What happens when you lock two 250 pounds texas rednecks in a cage with each other? A stampede. Imes has been m.i.a. in the UFC since dropping his second UFC bout after the TUF finale. Entering the reality show with less then a years MMA training is amazed television viewers by outlasting castmates all the way to the final fight. Then he was intoduced to Rashad Evans. The rest in history. Back in the present day, the UFC sling a chunk of changes to bring in PrideFC heavyweight Mercenary Heath Herring. After an awful debut against Jake O'Brian. Not ready to call it quite on the Texas Crazy Horse, the UFC looks to pad another fight for a guy the are probably paying too much money too. Heath gets fed a can to try to put him over to a hometown audience.... before the rest of Pride's heavy weight decesion start to infiltrate the UFC and gets stuck looking in from the outside just like he was foced to do in Japan. Heath Herring TKO hopefully by at least the second round.


If Herring can't beat Imes - he should retire.


Alan Belcher vs. Kendall Grove

TUF 3 winner "Da Spyda" Grove climbs his way up the ppv chain after an amazing fight against Chris Price. Training with both Cobra Kai and Team Punishment anoybody who is anybody was talked about how much Grove has improved in the last year. At 6'6" he will be a handfull for even the top level fighters at middleweight. Belchers KO victory over Jorge Santiago last December is just enough smoke and mirrors for his to appear to be a real fight. But truth be told, this is Grove's second fight and they are not giving him a serious opponent yet. Expect Grove to walk all over Belcher, "Da Spyda" with a submission in the 2nd round.


I love Grove. Three cheers for "lanky" fighters.


Yushin Okami Vs. Mike Swick

Hands down the fight i am looking forward to most. Okami is 3-0 in the UFC. Against three fighters who are b-level talent at best. Yushin trains with Caol Uno in Japan, his striking is impressive and he has a tenacuty for the ground and pound that you dont normally see in Asian fighters. Mike Swick is riding high over a decesion win over "The Crow." In a bout where most people credited Louiseau with beeing gun-shy more then anything, Swick's striking looked the best it has ever been, also he was taken down ONCE in the fight. Twenty seconds later he escaped and was back on his feet. Expect this one to get ugly. Expect a lotta work out of the clinch, a lot of dirty elbows, and some serious bone crunching body shots. It will be a war from stop to finish, but i see Mike Swick with a judges decesion.


I've yet to see Swick look bad. I'd be shocked if he does in this bout either.



Diego Sanchez Vs. Josh Koscheck

I really cannot say anything about this fight that has not already been said. Kos is looking for redemption after a close decesion loss to Diego in the first season of TUF. Since then, Koscheck has evolved from a good wrestler to a good fighter. On the other hand, Diego has evolved from a good fighter, to an amazing fighter. I don't know what is in the water at Greg Jackson's camp down in New Mexico, but if Diego comes out half as fierce as his teamates Keith Jardine and Rashad Evans already have this year, this fight will be a cake walk. Kos may throw his weight around a few times in the first round, but Sanchez will outlast him and out stike him from ever inch of the octagon. Diego wins with the TKO.


Even pot can't slow Diego down.



Georges St-Pierre Vs. Matt Serra

The main event for the night pits newly crowned welterweight champ St-Pierre against TUF4 winner Matt Serra. I like both these guys, a lot. This is the kind of fight I hate to see becasue i have so much respect for the fighters i hate to see one walk away a loser. So, keeping myself emotionally detached from this fight i will break it down to some basic mathmatics. Matt Serra squeaked out a win again Chris Lytle to wins a title shot. St-Pierra tatooed Matt Hughes head with one of the sickest head kicks i have seen in the UFC in years. To his credit, "Rush" manhandeled Matt Hughes the entire first round of their fight, putting on a kick boxing and muy thai clinic. Last month Matt Hughes controlled Chris Lytle for three rounds like he was a ragdoll. So, on paper it makes sense. Matt Hughes dominated somebody Matt Serra has to scratch, claw, and brawl tooth and nail to defeat. St.-Pierre defeated Matt Hughes with out getting his heart rate above 97 bpm. I love Serra and i love his attitude, but expect St. Pierre to make short work of Serra, most likey with a ground and pound stoppage in the 3rd round.

My heart is with Serra - my head says GSP.

[Palerider4146]

I agree Crom, my heart is with Serra, but him being knocked the fuck out is with GSP. Matt is a tough weight, to big for 155, and I think to small for 170. If they ever add more weight classes to MMA like they do in boxing, that could really help Matt. That being said, if GSP screws up on the ground, dont be surprised if GSP taps to a triangle or some sick omoplata.

[Fredo Corleone]

Matt Hughes dominated somebody Matt Serra has to scratch, claw, and brawl tooth and nail to defeat. St.-Pierre defeated Matt Hughes with out getting his heart rate above 97 bpm.

ugh, please tell me you didn't just use mmath.

[Bodizapha]

lol, I did Fredo.

Forgive me. But it was more interesting then trying to overhype this fight by talking about Matt Serra's heart like they did all week on Countdown to UFC 69. :P

[StonerJack]

Holy Shit!!
Matt Fucking Serra

[ThatsNotFunny]

Matt deserved to win. Sanchez threw the fight and should retire immediately.

'Nuff said.

[MrQuotes]

the motherfuckin ERA of SERRA!

[distortion9]

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!

Serra brings it back to East Ghetto......SHWEET!

[mendozathejew]

didnt hear it but I know jv and elvis have had serra on, the boys should get him in, being 3 long island boys should be good for radio

[Bodizapha]

What a night so far....

Fredo, thank you for flaming for trying to apply mma math to a fight. Boy did i eat shit on that pick. War Serra, what a great fight for him.

Diego vs. Kos was 15 minutes of fucking horseshit fighting. That fight goes up there with Arlovski vs. Sylvia 3 and Liddel vs. Horn 2, and Griffin vs. Bonar 2. Im so dissapointed in Sanchez, he had to know that he was loosing the fight and didn't to shit to try and win it. Just another case of a fighter who gets more concerned about a winning record then winning a fight.

Huerta vs. Garcia was despite the crazy upset in the main event, STILL the fight of the night. Two badass little hombres who kicked the shit out of each other for three rounds.

I knew Okami was good, but i really underratted him. He dominated Rory Singer and Kalib Sterns two TUF vets who i didn't really had to much skill. At the end of the first during the ring break, you heard Mike Swick say to his corner he was too strong. Despite a flurry of punches to end the second round, Mike just got mentally and physically controlled the entire fight. Really bummed about this fight, Swick was a fun fighter to watch and I was pulling for him.

Kendall Grove looked sick..... against a can. Kudos to UFC matchmakers for padding another posterboy. Lol, despite that Da Spyra is FUN to watch.

Heath Herring returned to his winning ways, Pete Sell managed to find a way to get out punched by a submission fighter, Marcus Davis snagged a nifty ankle submission, and a newer slimer Josh Haynes got knocked the fuck out by Luke Cummo.

Rumors on the messageboards are that Rashad Evans and Tito Ortiz got into a incident at some point during the PPV, and were seperated by security.

As the boys would say, it is beeing reported as merely a "Situation"

The Pride ppv is still going on while im writing this, but so far Butter Bean has won.... with a submission.

Don Frye got manhandeled by James Thompson, in what i guess was a pretty brutal fight. Sakuraba returned to the Pride ring with a teary speach to the crowd vowing to fight for Pride again. Arona got knocked the fuck out. Too exhausted to stay up for the finish of the monsoon fight.

A crazy week of MMA, to wrap it all up. Apparently the Tito Dana White boxing match is back on after Tito pulling out becasue he wasnt going to get paid for it. They announced the fight will be on Spike April 12th.



Happy Easter to all!

Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrunkas.

[crescentwrench]

Oh, I hope this completely shatters Diego's ego. He's no longer "destined to retire undefeated". Hopefully it will start a downward spiral of self-doubt, drugs, manwhoring etc.

Looks like he may have already started...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/crescentwrench/DiegoSanchez3-755996-1.jpg

[mendozathejew]

yeah that pic and others that actually far worse, far more ghey, have been out there for a while. theres one with diego and friend with their arms around eachother.

[av8rOC]

A below average card topped off with one of the biggest upsets I have ever seen. Congratulations to Matt, I am very happy for him. After the fight Matt even said that GSP is the future of MMA and we all know he will be back in #1 contender status in no time.
Two of the classiest fighters in MMA, it was refreshing to watch.

Nobody mentioned the Big Nog announcement yet??? Holy shit guys do you realize how great this is? Nog-Cro Cop is one of the best HW matchups in the game and I cant wait to see them fight again. He has without question the best Ju-Jitsu of any HW in the game. He will walk through the division until he gets to Mirko, after that it is a toss up...very exciting.

Good to see Diego get taken down a peg, his head was getting way to big. They were both a little tenative but Arlovski/Sylvia 3.... thats a little harsh. What was facinating was that neither fighter wanted to go to the ground, where both of them excel. When Kos did take him down Diego seemed to have the upper hand and yet when obviously losing later in the fight wasnt smart enough to change his gameplan.


Koschek number one contender @ 170 vs. the champion Matt Serra? MMA never ceases to amaze me.



BTW Crom, I saw you at Rileys on my way out. I was gonna say hi but we were rushing to make the start of the PPV. (I live in Huntington) Next time we can talk some fighting.

[Cromwell]

Holy Shit!!
Matt Fucking Serra

The Terra!

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!

Serra brings it back to East Ghetto......SHWEET!

Ha, ha! How great is that Championship belt going to look at his school.

didnt hear it but I know jv and elvis have had serra on, the boys should get him in, being 3 long island boys should be good for radio

I usually don’t listen to their show, so if they are going to have him on (and you know in advance) post up a notice here so we listen.


Boy did i eat shit on that pick. War Serra, what a great fight for him.


Nobody had Serra. A lot of us were pulling for him, though. Talk about taking advantage of an opportunity put in front of you.

Here’s how Thomas Gerbasi at UFC.com described the fight:

Odds mean nothing. The past means nothing. In mixed martial arts, what matters is what happens when the bell rings. And when the bell rang at the Toyota Center tonight, Matt Serra came to fight. When you do that, good things can happen, and they did for the Long Island native, who stunned the mixed martial arts world with a first round TKO win over Georges St-Pierre to win the UFC Welterweight Championship in the UFC 69 main event tonight.

Serra had earned his title shot by winning season four of The Ultimate Fighter reality show. St-Pierre, in his first fight since taking the 170-pound title from Matt Hughes last November, was expected to roll over his challenger en route to bigger and better things.

It was not to be.

A smiling and relaxed Serra (16-4) showed no fear of the champion as he met him in the middle of the Octagon to start the bout, but St-Pierre was sharp as he shot out kicks and the occasional quick flurry. The challenger responded with kicks of his own to the champion’s legs, but St-Pierre (13-2) appeared to be too fast for his foe, apparently just biding his time until he decided to pounce.

But that’s why they fight the fights, and just as soon as those words were written, Serra threw a looping right hand that grazed the back of St-Pierre’s head, forcing him to lose his balance and stumble twice. It was all the underrated Serra needed, as he swung for the fences and landed on the still recovering champion, who got into deeper and deeper trouble with each shot the New Yorker landed.

Suddenly, St-Pierre was on the mat, and Serra followed him, never letting his hands stop moving until referee John McCarthy pulled him off at the 3:25 mark and declared him the new welterweight champion of the world.

“Tonight I got beat by a better fighter than myself,” said the always gracious St-Pierre. “He beat me fair and square. I’m very sad right now, but I will come back.”

Undoubtedly. But for now, there’s a new boss at 170 pounds


Diego vs. Kos was 15 minutes of fucking horseshit fighting. That fight goes up there with Arlovski vs. Sylvia 3 and Liddel vs. Horn 2, and Griffin vs. Bonar 2. Im so dissapointed in Sanchez, he had to know that he was loosing the fight and didn't to shit to try and win it. Just another case of a fighter who gets more concerned about a winning record then winning a fight.


I guess weed doesn’t cure all.


I knew Okami was good, but i really underrated him. He dominated Rory Singer and Kalib Sterns two TUF vets who i didn't really had to much skill. At the end of the first during the ring break, you heard Mike Swick say to his corner he was too strong. Despite a flurry of punches to end the second round, Mike just got mentally and physically controlled the entire fight. Really bummed about this fight, Swick was a fun fighter to watch and I was pulling for him.


I knew very little about Okami before this fight. I’m a bit surprised to see Swick get beaten by that – but hey –that’s mma. Anyone can get beaten (and eventually does).



Kendall Grove looked sick..... against a can. Kudos to UFC matchmakers for padding another posterboy. Lol, despite that Da Spyra is FUN to watch.


Yeah, he needs to be given some more challenging fights already.

I wonder who Hughes will fight next, now? When does he get his opportunity to challenge for the title again?


Heath Herring returned to his winning ways, Pete Sell managed to find a way to get out punched by a submission fighter


Gotta say – as much as I like Sell – I beginning to think he’s not all that smart. He keeps losing fights he should win.


a newer slimer Josh Haynes got knocked the fuck out by Luke Cummo.


Hell yeah. Go Luke Cummo!

Heres’ the UFC.com description of that fight:

New Yorker Luke Cummo got the night off to a rousing start with a second round stoppage of Josh Haynes in a welterweight bout.

A fast pace was set early, with Cummo (8-4) the more accurate puncher while Haynes’ shots were heavier. The New Yorker did land the most telling blow of the round though, getting his foe’s attention with a thudding left hook with under two minutes to go.

The pattern continued in the second, with Cummo potshotting with both hands, and eventually, he hit paydirt with a picture-perfect right hand that put Haynes (9-7) on the canvas. Haynes crawled forward on the mat, trying to clear his head, but it was too late, as referee Kerry Hatley stepped in to halt the bout at the 2:45 mark


Rumors on the messageboards are that Rashad Evans and Tito Ortiz got into a incident at some point during the PPV, and were seperated by security.


Ha! I would love to see some footage of that.


A crazy week of MMA, to wrap it all up. Apparently the Tito Dana White boxing match is back on after Tito pulling out becasue he wasnt going to get paid for it. They announced the fight will be on Spike April 12th.


Yeah, saw that announced during the premier episode of TUF. Ha, ha. Its always comes down to the money, doesn’t it? I’m very curious to see what kind of fight Dana White has in him.



Happy Easter to all!


Yup. Happy Easter!

Nobody mentioned the Big Nog announcement yet??? Holy shit guys do you realize how great this is? Nog-Cro Cop is one of the best HW matchups in the game and I cant wait to see them fight again. He has without question the best Ju-Jitsu of any HW in the game. He will walk through the division until he gets to Mirko, after that it is a toss up...very exciting.


Cool. Looking forward to this development.


Koschek number one contender @ 170 vs. the champion Matt Serra? MMA never ceases to amaze me.


Me either. And though I wouldn’t mind seeing that fight, I believe Hughes *has* to factor in there as well.



BTW Crom, I saw you at Rileys on my way out. I was gonna say hi but we were rushing to make the start of the PPV. (I live in Huntington) Next time we can talk some fighting.

Oh, cool. Sorry we didn’t get a chance to say hello. Soon enough, I’m sure. It was a great party there.

[av8rOC]

Yeah early speculation (and Hughe's website) are saying:

Serra v. Hughes
GSP v. Kos
Diego v. Fitch

[Cromwell]

Yeah early speculation (and Hughe's website) are saying:

Serra v. Hughes


As it should be. Hughes should be allowed to challenge for the belt. He lost it in a title match - fought a preliminary fight already - he's owed a shot.

Plus - this is already an intriquing match. Serra talk a lot of trash about Hughes in the TUF5 show. Add to that fact that Dana loves Hughes (and frankly, I agree with him) and since it comes down to Dana anyway (correct me if I'm wrong here) and this is the next obvious title fight at Welterweight.


GSP v. Kos


A good match.


Diego v. Fitch

When does Grove get a decent shot?

[Bodizapha]

Monsoon won by submission last night to headline the final PrideFC card under Dream Stage Ent. ownership.

I guess going down the ladder of Pride signings...

Big Nog coming to the UFC will most likley ensure that his little brother and Arona probably come over as well. Rumors that Chute Boxe member Rua is trying to ink a deal to come over, only makes sense that Wanderli would come too.

K1 is the only big down in the game who might be able to sign a few of the BIG pride names away, if their current contracts are null and void due to the buy out. Which we still havnet gotten any confirmation on. Nog's contract was up and due to be re-signed before he fought again. We still don't know the fate of guys like Silva, Hunt, Barnett, Gomi, etc. who still had multiple fight deal with Dream Stage.

Gunna be a crazy couple of weeks.

[PEST BY TRADE]

As it should be. Hughes should be allowed to challenge for the belt. He lost it in a title match - fought a preliminary fight already - he's owed a shot.

Plus - this is already an intriquing match. Serra talk a lot of trash about Hughes in the TUF5 show. Add to that fact that Dana loves Hughes (and frankly, I agree with him) and since it comes down to Dana anyway (correct me if I'm wrong here) and this is the next obvious title fight at Welterweight.



A good match.



When does Grove get a decent shot?


yeah the MATT vs MATT fight is the one I wanted to see for that reason too
serra called hughes a dick on the Tuf show should be a good fight


The spider is the real deal it looks like he should be given a shot in two more fights he has to work for it like everyone else but he seems to have the stuff to win the belt

[Palerider4146]

Holy fing Serra!!!!!! Great job Matt. This is why MMA kicks the crap out of boxing. Also probably the two most classiest guys in MMA. I really wish I lived closer to the Island to train at serra JJ, but I also imagine tuition just went up $15 more a month after last night. I would never of thought Serra by GnP, if anything, I had him by armbar, and that was a stretch.

I would think that Matt Hughes gets the next shot. You got to figure that besides the excitement and attention that the upset gets for the UFC, Dana knows that Serra is a better fit for Hughes than GSP is, a much better shot for him to get the title back, but as last night proved, you just never know.

I didnt watch it on PPV, I actually found it still on Youtube, I guess the UFC is slowing down in their old age. How was the crowds reaction to Serra winning? What did Rogan say to him and how was his interview. Damn that is so awesome for him.


Hey Crom, it took until last night for you to think Sell isnt so smart??? The guy is tough as nails, but just like his fight against Smith, his brain loses fights for him.

[StonerJack]

The crowd went crazy, Rogan said unbelievable 4-5x in a row.
The interview was good, Serra didn't cry or scream or anything. Nor did he seem surprised, he then explained how important it was for him to have learned not to immediately pounce on a rocked opponent, like he did Karo, but to step back, assess, then strike.

[Palerider4146]

[quote=StonerJack]The crowd went crazy, Rogan said unbelievable 4-5x in a row.
[/quote=StonerJack]

Yeah but that was just the excessive coke in his system.

[Bodizapha]

Anybody catch the part during the ppv where Rogan talked about drinking your own urine to replace electrolytes or some shit. Was kinda bizarre, Goldberg quickly changed the subject.

[mendozathejew]

Anybody catch the part during the ppv where Rogan talked about drinking your own urine to replace electrolytes or some shit. Was kinda bizarre, Goldberg quickly changed the subject.
cause luke cummo drinks his piss, thats why he was talking about

[mendozathejew]

I think fedor and barnett are gone from pride. who knows how many follow. most pride contracts strangely allow signing elsewhere as well. I dont think most of the current pride staff signs with ufc. ufc is gona snag shogun, maybe silva and few others.

k1 makes so much money from kickboxing, its questionable that they will invest heavily in their mma branch. but someone is going to step up and take over mma in japan. its a huge market, and it doesnt look like zuffa is interested in catering to that market

[Larz]

Anybody catch the part during the ppv where Rogan talked about drinking your own urine to replace electrolytes or some shit. Was kinda bizarre, Goldberg quickly changed the subject.

Luke Cumo is fucking weird but he has some crisp Muay Thai. The piss drinking thing almost made me puke.

Serra proves once again that anything can happen in MMA. I see it as more of a Randelman-Cro Cop type fluke but he had some fucking balls to stand with GSP.

[Gotti420]

this is crazy, it wasn't too long ago that we were talking about the weakness of the UFC heavyweight division when compared to PRIDE but now, IMO, they have 6 of the top 10 heavyweights

[Larz]

Trade Timmeh to Pride for Mark Hunt, Keep Vera. Now we're cookin (well Hunt would have to make 265).

[mendozathejew]

prides HW division is already over. I dont think fedor and barnett will be back

[av8rOC]

When does Grove get a decent shot?

Grove is 185 so hes not in the WW mix. As far as MW's go he hasnt fought anyone worth of putting him in title contention. That guy he fought was a can, and Zuffa is protecting a likeable potential poster boy.


Big Nog coming to the UFC will most likley ensure that his little brother and Arona probably come over as well. Rumors that Chute Boxe member Rua is trying to ink a deal to come over, only makes sense that Wanderli would come too.

If Rua comes over to UFC the last thing I would expect is Wanderlei. They have vowed never to fight.
In general I would expect to see a slow down in Pride guys coming to UFC. I imagine the Fertitta (sp?) bro's will continue to build and market Pride and occasionally do a cross promotional show. It isnt in their best interest to bring all the talent to one side. I think the Big Nog signing was the last at HW to balance out the ORG's....just my opinion.

[av8rOC]

prides HW division is already over. I dont think fedor and barnett will be back

Fedor recently signed a new contract with Pride which allowed him to fight in other org's..hence the Bodog fight. He will be back in Pride.

[mendozathejew]

Fedor recently signed a new contract with Pride which allowed him to fight in other org's..hence the Bodog fight. He will be back in Pride.
to fight who? him and barnett are good friends. if one goes they both go, and barnett has already said he doesnt like this at all. and you said it yourself, hes allowed to fight elsewhere. most of the pride contracts were written that way.

[mendozathejew]

If Rua comes over to UFC the last thing I would expect is Wanderlei. They have vowed never to fight.


In general I would expect to see a slow down in Pride guys coming to UFC. I imagine the Fertitta (sp?) bro's will continue to build and market Pride and occasionally do a cross promotional show. It isnt in their best interest to bring all the talent to one side. I think the Big Nog signing was the last at HW to balance out the ORG's....just my opinion.
not true about shogun and silva. fedor and aleks yes, not silva and rua. they would have met in the GP if silva beat arona. silva said hed have had to give shogun a beating.

barnett and fedor are all thats left in Prides HW division. I didnt think zuffa would go down this road, so I guess I was dead wrong in my predictions. they are taking what they want out of pride for the ufc, and pride will have to rebuild.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

So, I'm sure 25 other guys have already said it....

But damn....Who saw that coming? I mean... I really like Serra, I think he's a classy guy, and I think he's a great fighter so I don't mean it as any offense....but man I didn't think he had a remote chance of beating GSP, ESPECIALLY how he did.

Wow, just Wow!

[Bodizapha]

There was a rumor going around that Wandy and Rua fought for fun over a pitbull puppy. Apparently Rua was going to sell Wandy one of his puppies but instead the fought for it.

The source sounded shady and there isnt much more reported about it, but kinda funny to think about.

[mendozathejew]

There was a rumor going around that Wandy and Rua fought for fun over a pitbull puppy. Apparently Rua was going to sell Wandy one of his puppies but instead the fought for it.

The source sounded shady and there isnt much more reported about it, but kinda funny to think about.
the source is actually bas rutten, but your right its not clear if he was given right info. they are the kind of guys who would go at it like its playing basketball

[av8rOC]

to fight who? him and barnett are good friends. if one goes they both go, and barnett has already said he doesnt like this at all. and you said it yourself, hes allowed to fight elsewhere. most of the pride contracts were written that way.

Agreed but just because he is allowed to fight elsewhere doesnt change the fact that he still under contract with Pride. What Zuffa decides to do we will see but IMO they keep him in Pride and feed him cans until the supershows when we see him fight Mirko or Nog or whoever is HW champ.

[av8rOC]

not true about shogun and silva. fedor and aleks yes, not silva and rua. they would have met in the GP if silva beat arona. silva said hed have had to give shogun a beating.

So then why havent they fought yet? By entering the GP they agreed to fight if they absolutely had to but have said they would never allow Pride to match them up on purpose.

I didnt know Fedor and Josh we so 'close'. Hell they dont even speak the same language. I see no reason why they wouldnt fight each other.

[Fredo Corleone]

the source is actually bas rutten, but your right its not clear if he was given right info. they are the kind of guys who would go at it like its playing basketball

i wouldn't be surprised if it were true. i remember an interview a while back where silva was saying they all got knocked out in training all the time, and that pele used to knock him out frequently. he almost made it sound like they didn't consider it a good workout unless they got ko'd.

[Fredo Corleone]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u71/thedirtybadger/Pride20LW20GP20200720Rd201.jpg

rumors are they announced the next pride lw tourny in japan. judging by the pictures, the competitors are:

Luis Azeredo
Joachim Hansen
Kawajiri Tatsuya
Aoki Shinya
Matt Hughes
Gomi Takanori
Sakurai Mach Hayato
Diego Sanchez
Gilbert Melendez
Ishida Mitsuhiro
Marcus Aurelio
Luis Buscape

not sure what the weight limit would be.

[av8rOC]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u71/thedirtybadger/Pride20LW20GP20200720Rd201.jpg

rumors are they announced the next pride lw tourny in japan. judging by the pictures, the competitors are:

Luis Azeredo
Joachim Hansen
Kawajiri Tatsuya
Aoki Shinya
Matt Hughes
Gomi Takanori
Sakurai Mach Hayato
Diego Sanchez
Gilbert Melendez
Ishida Mitsuhiro
Marcus Aurelio
Luis Buscape

not sure what the weight limit would be.



WOW

[Palerider4146]

What is the source of this Pride GP? I havnt seen anything on Sherdog or MMAweekly.

[StonerJack]

It's a flyer they handed out at the last Pride ppv.
It would be sweet, but all those names probably won't be in it, Pride would put out flyers with popular fighters pictures to create buzz.

[Fredo Corleone]

It's a flyer they handed out at the last Pride ppv.
It would be sweet, but all those names probably won't be in it, Pride would put out flyers with popular fighters pictures to create buzz.


yup...probably bullshit, but be pretty sick if it wasn't.

[Bodizapha]

The UFC taking part in GPs overseas will potentially damage their credibility with the Athletic comissions statesides. Even though it is a LW tourney allowing welterweights to fight featherweights and so on and so on sort of gos against the steps they have taken to establish themselves as a legit sport over here.

Odds are they would have to hold the tourney overseas, and that is something i just don't see them doing any time soon.

[mendozathejew]

So then why havent they fought yet? By entering the GP they agreed to fight if they absolutely had to but have said they would never allow Pride to match them up on purpose.

I didnt know Fedor and Josh we so 'close'. Hell they dont even speak the same language. I see no reason why they wouldnt fight each other.
the chances of silva and shogun meeting in the finals was pretty high, and almost happened.

fedor and barnett absolutely would and will fight eachother. most of the guys all get along pretty well and respect eachother. doesnt mean they wont beat eachothers brains out. cro cop and barnett also get along well.

GPs are phenominal events. if you ever want to blow 15 bucks on a dvd pick up prides gps like final conflict 2005, which also has fedor vs cro cop.

the gp with rampage beating liddell and losing to silva also has cro cop vs nog. great dvds

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Oh, hey...so I don't know why I didn't post this earlier, but if you're in the NJ, PA, DE area....

Two of the guys I train with, Al Buck and Lionel Cortez, will be fighting at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City this Friday night at Cage Fury 4. The event starts at 8:00 PM. I think there are 15 fights on the card so it should be a good one. If you have a free night and feel like catching some good fights it'll be a good night.

[Fredo Corleone]

The UFC taking part in GPs overseas will potentially damage their credibility with the Athletic comissions statesides. Even though it is a LW tourney allowing welterweights to fight featherweights and so on and so on sort of gos against the steps they have taken to establish themselves as a legit sport over here.

Odds are they would have to hold the tourney overseas, and that is something i just don't see them doing any time soon.

the pride LWs are a little bit heavier than the UFC ones. rogan mentioned that diego could probably make 155lbs, but i don't think hughes could.

[av8rOC]

I believe Pride LW's are #163

[Larz]

A friend just told me Nick Diaz's win over gomi was overturned because he tested positive for weed. Fucking disgusting.

[Kid Brock]

A friend just told me Nick Diaz's win over gomi was overturned because he tested positive for weed. Fucking disgusting.


Yep. Should be on the front page of sherdog. www.sherdog.com

[Larz]

thanx for the link. I think my head is gonna explode between this and the Imus shit. get a load of this motherfucker NSAC commission chairman talking about Diaz.

"I was there at this fight and believe that you were intoxicated, and that it made you numb to the pain," Alamo told Diaz, who was present. "Did it help you win? I think it did."

[Palerider4146]

I know it may sound silly, but being a medic, I've seen people stoned who definetely feel much less pain than those who arent. There may be some validity to it.

[StonerJack]

Your right, you sound silly.
I smoke daily and it doesn't dull pain.

Anyway, why would that fucking liar let him fight if he was visibly intoxicated?
I'm sure this isn't over.

[Larz]

Thats the whole point. On top of being Chairman of the NSAC, he's also a doctor. He allowed a visibly 'Intoxicated' fighter to step in the ring?? If thats the case then this asshole should be kicked off the comittee and have his medical license revoked. Of course this whole thing is bullshit.

[Bodizapha]

ever stub your toe while stoned on the way to the fridge?

that shit still hurts!

[av8rOC]

You're a professional fighter who is subject to random drug testing and you have to smoke weed? Nick Diaz is a fucking idiot and deserves to lose the win. (It's beaing ruled a no contest) I'm not saying weed is performance enhancing or not, that's debatable. What isnt debatable is the fact that it is fucking illegal. Moron.

[mendozathejew]

You're a professional fighter who is subject to random drug testing and you have to smoke weed? Nick Diaz is a fucking idiot and deserves to lose the win. (It's beaing ruled a no contest) I'm not saying weed is performance enhancing or not, that's debatable. What isnt debatable is the fact that it is fucking illegal. Moron.
true enough. but I do not see weed being a performance enhancer in a game require the sharpest of reflexes

[Cromwell]

Don't forget this tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_TOP.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_BOTTOM.jpg

[Fredo Corleone]

Don't forget this tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_TOP.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_BOTTOM.jpg

notice how it mentions nothing of the actual boxing match? i heard tito was a no show. he said he let dana off easy, but the actual reason he didn't show was because dana didn't want to give tito a cut of any money they made off of it.

[Palerider4146]

I say you dont see any fight what so ever. I think this is a bit of to much hype from the UFC. But you bet my ass will be watching tonight.

[Cromwell]

But you bet my ass will be watching tonight.

'course we will

Hey - check out this vid on Matt Serra.

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=90550

Pretty cool. :icon_cool

[highfive]

Don't forget this tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_TOP.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/BLAST_BOTTOM.jpg
I got suckered into watching this crap tonight. What a waste of an hour (i missed the first 30 minutes).

[Bodizapha]

Tito was quoted as saying something to the sort of:

Why should I take part in a boxing match that the UFC is going to make money on when i will not see any pay? I have a fight with Rashad Evans coming up and I am not going to jeapordize an injury on a fight with no purse.


To which, I can see his point. Kevin Randleman had to pull out of a fight in the UFC once becasue he slipped and fell in the locker room.

The Devil's advocate in me also points out that he should have been clear about a payment when HE added it to his contract with the UFC. The show was also clear to point out that Tito was the one who ran his mouth about the fight with Dana, which was forced to be a sanctioned bout after the Nevada State Comission caught wind. After the antics of the weigh-ins it now looks like this fight will never happen.

File this fight next Rickson vs. Sakuraba & Liddel vs. Silva

[mendozathejew]

I hope dana white makes racist comments and sharpton gets him fired/bought out of ufc

[av8rOC]

true enough. but I do not see weed being a performance enhancer in a game require the sharpest of reflexes

I'm not saying I believe this...but the argument is that being high would dull your sense of pain. Acoording to reports his THC level was so high he may well have smoked right before the fight and no ealier than the day before. Again, regardless he is a fucking idiot.

[Cromwell]

I got suckered into watching this crap tonight. What a waste of an hour (i missed the first 30 minutes).

Ha! :icon_mrgr

I fell asleep during so much of it. I finally shut it off.

The TUF episode (which I watched before when I had more "awake" time left in me) was much better. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

Oh yeah I feel cheated for watching that dribble last night. I knew there wasnt going to be a fight but I didnt know it was going to be the Dana WHite love fest show. He apparently failed last year to sell Spike a reality show based on his day to day life. I think last night was his hour and a half reality show. Aweful.

[StonerJack]

Oh yeah I feel cheated for watching that dribble last night. I knew there wasnt going to be a fight but I didnt know it was going to be the Dana WHite love fest show. He apparently failed last year to sell Spike a reality show based on his day to day life. I think last night was his hour and a half reality show. Aweful.

I think it was also a chance for Dana to show his abs at the weigh-in

[av8rOC]

While we are on the subject of stupid ass athletes...

Melvin Guillard tests positive for Cocaine! (http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/04/13/report-melvin-guillard-tests-positive-for-cocaine/)

[Save My Up's Dick]

Oh yeah I feel cheated for watching that dribble last night. I knew there wasnt going to be a fight but I didnt know it was going to be the Dana WHite love fest show. He apparently failed last year to sell Spike a reality show based on his day to day life. I think last night was his hour and a half reality show. Aweful.
I didn't know there wasn't going to be a fight(stupid me), but it wasn't bad seeing the history between Dana and Tito. (which I also didn't know)

An hour and a half for nothing was a bit over kill though.

[madbam]

I only watched till midnight because I get up at 5am...I love the UFC....when is the White vs. Ortiz fight scheduled for?

[StonerJack]

I only watched till midnight because I get up at 5am...I love the UFC....when is the White vs. Ortiz fight scheduled for?
Never

[Deftera]

I thought it was very interesting, but to be fair, Spike TV already had that hour and a half special scheduled to air last night from a few weeks ago when the fight was still on. It was supposed to be the big hype show for it to let people know about it. I guess instead of dropping it after all that shooting since last year, they just went ahead and told what happened at the end and aired it.

Don't knock spike or dana for it.

[Rance]

Spike invested a lot of money into this thing to have Tito go and not show up. They could do a rerun of something else, OR they could show something new and original. If they didn't show it, people would have been complaining "they should have showed it even if the fight didn't happen".

Can't ever win.

[StonerJack]

Spike invested a lot of money into this thing to have Tito go and not show up. They could do a rerun of something else, OR they could show something new and original. If they didn't show it, people would have been complaining "they should have showed it even if the fight didn't happen".

Can't ever win.
Ya I can think of a real quick fight they could have shown :]

Also I realized you were a true O&A fan when i read about the 5 gallon tub of cookie dough in your fridge. You fat fuck.

p.s. nice nut shot last night

[StonerJack]

Heading to Mohegan Sun to see IFL, it's tape delayed till 11:30pm tonight on FSN.

[Cybouncer]

The screeners are jackasses. I tried calling in once when they were talking about the UFC and Kimbo. I told them "I fight in the UFC, and I was at the Kimbo fight" and the kid goes "So....?" and hung up on me.


That's pretty funny because when they were having that conversation, I was the guy who got in the argument with Bobby about Kimbo.

I doubt that you'd have a problem getting through now though!:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

fedor beats lindland by armbar at 2:58 into the first round. hes good

[Bodizapha]

Beat me to it, I was hoping lindland was gunna give him more of a run but.... guess not.

In Melvin's defense i tested positive for coke once becasue of the combination of antibodies and cough supressent i was on. Even still, coke is out of your system pretty quickly if he tested for it that means he was blowing lines either the day before or the days immediatly upcoming to the fight.

Fucking stupid.

[MilitantRabbit]

Tried to watch World Combat League.
Sucks a fat one.
It's created by Chuck Norris, and there's no enclosure to the ring.
I don't get it.

[Palerider4146]

So just watched the Lindland/Fedor fight. I will say it was a real nice armbar to finish, but he was real lucky considering how he got cut and that the ref did nothing but tell fedor to stop holding the ropes when Lindland had him in the greco clinch. He grabbed the ropes at least 3 times to not get taken down.

[av8rOC]

fedor beats lindland by armbar at 2:58 into the first round. hes good

holy shit guys its called a spoiler!

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Tried to watch World Combat League.
Sucks a fat one.
It's created by Chuck Norris, and there's no enclosure to the ring.
I don't get it.

It's suppose to be some sort of team sport. I concur, it sucks a big fat one.

[mendozathejew]

the ref did nothing but tell fedor to stop holding the ropes when Lindland had him in the greco clinch. He grabbed the ropes at least 3 times to not get taken down.
that move is called the liddell fence grab. he did against rampage in the pride ring nonstop as well

[mendozathejew]

holy shit guys its called a spoiler!
my bad......i gave no thought to that my bad

[Palerider4146]

that move is called the liddell fence grab. he did against rampage in the pride ring nonstop as well

I know everyone does it, UFC pride, whereever, but it went on for a while with nothing being done about it. The ref was acting like an auxiliary cop, "Stop, or I'll yell stop again!".

[mendozathejew]

fedor mostly had his elbow above and on the top rope, when lindland locked him up fedor grabbed that rope for ONE second, when his foot hit the mat he threw lindland with the judo throw. it was timed perfectly, perfect transition, even thought it technically was illegal.

Ive said this for a while- smaller fighters are a much bigger threat to fedor than larger HWs. he manhandles large fighters, so their size is only a hinderance. he can do whatever he likes with them. its gona be smaller fighters with speed, 230 lbs on down that will give him his biggest tests imo

[mendozathejew]

couple of high quality gifs of fedor vs lindland. spoiler used to keep from slowing whole page down. sorry for not spoiling the result earlier

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brilliant sub getting lindlands knee out the way, while keeping the arm bar sunk

[StonerJack]

I had read about the rope grab, hadn't seen it, it's worse than I thought it was going to be. He turned that situation 180, he would have been on his back but instead he gets a beautiful throw.

[mendozathejew]

he grabbed it literally for a second. liddell against rampage held on for dear life, him and sylvia do it all day long in the cage.

I guess fedor is getting criticized more for it because he used it to transition to a judo throw perfectly

[StonerJack]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing sleep over it, I have seen much worse. I think your right about people making more out of it because of the result.

[mendozathejew]

its fair to criticize fedor on this one. but its occured to me long ago that its a rule neither UFC or Pride has ever seriously enforced, and Im not even sure how you can, so why not ditch it. in the heat of battle, especially when hurt, everyone grabs and holds the ropes and cage

Im not sure how a ref can even get in there and stop it. they can stop the action and penalize, but in stopping the action your almost rewarding the guy whos holding on in desperation.

fedor is catching shit because he grabbed the rope in defense and offense in one move. that and we expect perfection from the guy

[Rance]

I am the first person to talk about how great Fedor is... but what happened in that fight with Lindland was plain wrong. Fedor got top position because of grabbing the rope... when they hit the ground, they should have stood them up. Was BS to let that fight continue as it did.



On a side note: Up until now, I have been trying to cross post all kinds of articles and news on a number of places. I was going to mma.tv, myspace, sherdog, facebook, *********, TUF forums, and a few other places. I decided to set up a mailing list instead so people don't miss things, and to ensure I get everything out to as many people as possible. If you want to be kept in the loop on everything going on with me (articles, interviews, fights, training, etc) then you should join my mailing list. Go to my website

http://joelauzon.com/index1.php

And just enter your email on the left and hit Join. I will still come around and try to post things everywhere, but this will make sure you get to see everything.

Thanks guys,
Joe

[Cromwell]

Up until now, I have been trying to cross post all kinds of articles and news on a number of places. I was going to mma.tv, myspace, sherdog, facebook, *********, TUF forums, and a few other places. I decided to set up a mailing list instead so people don't miss things, and to ensure I get everything out to as many people as possible. If you want to be kept in the loop on everything going on with me (articles, interviews, fights, training, etc) then you should join my mailing list. Go to my website

http://joelauzon.com/index1.php

And just enter your email on the left and hit Join. I will still come around and try to post things everywhere, but this will make sure you get to see everything.



Hey, thanks for doing this Joe. Very cool.

As for other news, check this out:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_72_PRESALEBLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_72_PRESALEBLAST_02.jpg


couple of high quality gifs of fedor vs lindland. spoiler used to keep from slowing whole page down. sorry for not spoiling the result earlier

[brilliant sub getting lindlands knee out the way, while keeping the arm bar sunk


Thanks for those GIF's, 'doza. Excellent.

I too wish Lindland was able to last longer. Man that is a bloody fight for such a (relatively) short time. I can see both sides of the "rope grab" argument. One wonders what Lindland could have done had he been able to put Fedor down and gain top position.

[StonerJack]

No title fight?
And I'm sure Forest is fighting a nobody to get him back in the limelight. Hope they add some great undercard fights.


Hey Joe, any UFC guys have a chance of being in the LW Grand Prix? Would love to see you there.
Also I hear knees on the ground may be a reality soon, how do you feel about them?

[Rance]

No title fight?
And I'm sure Forest is fighting a nobody to get him back in the limelight. Hope they add some great undercard fights.


Hey Joe, any UFC guys have a chance of being in the LW Grand Prix? Would love to see you there.
Also I hear knees on the ground may be a reality soon, how do you feel about them?

I don't know about any UFC Lw's being in there. Haven't heard anything. As far as knees on the ground... give me as many weapons as possible and I am happy.

[Bodizapha]

The rumors are really buzzing around that both Diego and Hughes are gunna go rep UFC in the GP. The date getting pushed back only helps the cause.

As far as the Fedor fight, I was all about the rope argument the first time i watched the fight. The more I watch it the less I agree. In the end, Fedor just wears Lindland like a cheap suit. His controll on the ground was surgical. He would have won the fight with or with out that rope grab.

Joe best wishes in the Show! Its nice to have somebody to root for now!

[Cromwell]

No title fight?


Yeah, I'm kinda surprised Franklin is taking this fight - and not fighting Silva for the title. Why does he need this additional "warm-up" fight?


As far as knees on the ground... give me as many weapons as possible and I am happy.

Yeah, but just remember - your opponent has those weapons now too. :icon_mrgr


The rumors are really buzzing around that both Diego and Hughes are gunna go rep UFC in the GP. The date getting pushed back only helps the cause.


Why is Diego still being featured? Didn't he just lose?

As for Hughes - he has to be chapped at all the crap Matt Serra is saying about him. Serra is setting himself up for a revenge-beating at the hands of Hughes.


As far as the Fedor fight, I was all about the rope argument the first time i watched the fight. The more I watch it the less I agree. In the end, Fedor just wears Lindland like a cheap suit. His controll on the ground was surgical. He would have won the fight with or with out that rope grab.


That's true. As you say, the "surgical ground control" was a thing of beauty. I mean - did anyone think Lindland was really going to win this fight? A middle-weight fighting a true heavyweight? There is a reason there are weight classes. Add to that fact that Fedor's ju-jitsu is as good as (or better) than anyones.

[Larz]

There is a reason there are weight classes. Add to that fact that Fedor's ju-jitsu is as good as (or better) than anyones.

Actually Fedor doesn't train Jiu-Jitsu per se, his ground game comes from Judo/Sambo. Although they share a lot of submissions the approach is different. In wrestling/judo/sambo you're trained to get the takedown at all costs and fight from dominant position, whereas in JJ you don't necessarily care how it gets to the ground, and you spend a significant amount of your training fighting from a 'weaker' position (guard).

If you watch some BJJ fighters like Big Nog for instance, you will actually see him lay on his back at times and invite the opponent to attack him, you'll never see fedor or any wrestler do that.

[Boratfan]

The thing that seperates Fedor from EVERYONE else is his amazing transitioning. He seemlessly goes from standup to groundgame to ground and pound with such ease. He has INCREDIBLY long arms that are like two hammers.

[Larz]

If he has 1 weakness its that he seems to get cut easily. could be why he has no interest to fight in the UFC due to elbows.

[Bodizapha]

Agreed, elbows add a really aspect interesting to a LOT of Pride's top talent, as do soccer kicks and knees on the ground to a UFC figher.

There is simply so much more open space in a ring, a cage seems to tighten the fight up more to me. UFC is so wrestler friendly due to the fence, I realy hope to see Fedor fight in a cage eventually. I cannot see him beeing truley dominated in a ring, his controll of his weight is just amazing. The way he literally flipped Lindland in the fight was breathtaking. If lindland had him in a cage i don't think he would have had the leverage to shift like he did.

You can make an argument for it either way, the only way Fedor is going to be beaten in anything other then a decesion is to get the man on his back and controll him. Nobody has tested Fedor in the first round in a great while. Coleman, Hunt, and Lindland had moments of glory within the first two minutes of the fight and the rest has been all fedor. I think Fujita was the last fight where he even looked hurt.

One thing we can agree on, is that Fedor is running out of legit heavyweight contenders that do not fly under a UFC/Pride banner. Fedor has to realize that Bodog isnt going to pay the bills for him. They simply cannot afford him, their ppv dollars cannot support the paychecks they are cutting him.

Fedor will have to resort to fighting novelty bouts in K-1 against Bob Sapp and Giant Silva, or swallow a bitter pill and accept a paycheck signed by Lorenzo and Dana.

(*f.y.i. Just so i don't get flamed, I know Sapp is under contract with another fight promotion. It was just a metaphor.)

[Larz]

you sum up the fedor situation pretty well, except that Bodog (or Calvin Ayre depending on how you look at it) has plenty of cash to match/beat anything that fertita's have to offer. Bodog needs him way more than the UFC.

Fedor-Cro Cop 2 has a better chance of happening under a promotion like Bodog for a huge payday rather than the UFC.

[Cromwell]

Actually Fedor doesn't train Jiu-Jitsu per se, his ground game comes from Judo/Sambo. Although they share a lot of submissions the approach is different. In wrestling/judo/sambo you're trained to get the takedown at all costs and fight from dominant position, whereas in JJ you don't necessarily care how it gets to the ground, and you spend a significant amount of your training fighting from a 'weaker' position (guard).


Good points. Thanks for pointing out the distinction.




If you watch some BJJ fighters like Big Nog for instance, you will actually see him lay on his back at times and invite the opponent to attack him, you'll never see fedor or any wrestler do that.

True. You see that all the time. The Gracie fighters being the most common. I think they almost *prefer* starting from the guard.


you sum up the fedor situation pretty well, except that Bodog (or Calvin Ayre depending on how you look at it) has plenty of cash to match/beat anything that fertita's have to offer.


Also true. Would love to see the O&A advertising bill. :icon_mrgr



Bodog needs him way more than the UFC.

Fedor-Cro Cop 2 has a better chance of happening under a promotion like Bodog for a huge payday rather than the UFC.

Yup. Could see that easily.

[Fredo Corleone]

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised Franklin is taking this fight - and not fighting Silva for the title. Why does he need this additional "warm-up" fight?



maybe they didn't offer him the title fight. i, for one, am sick of seeing so many rematches in the ufc. it's not only about needing warm up fights. he got his ass kicked in under 3 minutes without doing the slightest bit of damage to silva. he should have to work his was back into a title fight, not just be given one after beating jason mcdonald.



Why is Diego still being featured? Didn't he just lose?



he lost one fight by decsion. besides, after liddell lost to couture they put him into the pride MW gp.

[Kid Brock]

you sum up the fedor situation pretty well, except that Bodog (or Calvin Ayre depending on how you look at it) has plenty of cash to match/beat anything that fertita's have to offer. Bodog needs him way more than the UFC.

Fedor-Cro Cop 2 has a better chance of happening under a promotion like Bodog for a huge payday rather than the UFC.


I do agree that Calvin Ayre might outbid the brothers for that particular fight, but it wouldn't be from lack of money on the UFC side. Don't forget that the brothers are also billionaires like Ayre it is just he would be willing to part with more of it for publicity alone.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I'll start off by saying that I didn't see the fight.

But, you can't be too pissed about grabbing at ropes/cage. It's just a natural reaction. Even in the middle of a fight if you're near the cage (I haven't done anything more then spar with ropes) it's just your first reaction if the guy is shooting...so far I've had to consciously over ride the instinct to grab the top of the cage.

That being said, I think I'm going to have to agree with Joe L. and if it was used to gain an advantage like that the only logical thing I can see doing is stopping the action and standing it back up.

[Larz]

I do agree that Calvin Ayre might outbid the brothers for that particular fight, but it wouldn't be from lack of money on the UFC side. Don't forget that the brothers are also billionaires like Ayre it is just he would be willing to part with more of it for publicity alone.

Its just weird that Zuffa has the chess board and all the pieces except for 1 King. If I'm Dana I gotta be thinking what the fuck? After making these huge moves why quibble over a couple of million if it cements Zuffa's dominance of MMA? Yet not even a peep of a rumor about Fedor coming to the UFC.

[Cromwell]

Saw this in the TV listings, (after tonights TUF episode)

UFC 70 Countdown: Cro Cop vs. Gonzaga
Length: 60 mins
Genre: Sports
Air Date: Apr 18, 2007

Preview of the upcoming UFC 70: Nations Collide event.
3 Showings:

Thu, Apr 19 2007 11:00PM - 12:00AM, CH 41 SPKE
Sat, Apr 21 2007 12:00AM - 1:00AM, CH 41 SPKE
Sat, Apr 21 2007 6:00PM - 7:00PM, CH 41 SPKE

*****

Worth a watch, I suppose.

[mendozathejew]

Why is Diego still being featured? Didn't he just lose?
this is the future star of MMA?
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2646/diegodirtysanchezsq7.jpg

[Kid Brock]

this is the future star of MMA?
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2646/diegodirtysanchezsq7.jpg


I just threw-up in my mouth a little bit.

[mendozathejew]

I just threw-up in my mouth a little bit.
people post it all the time on sherdog to piss off diego fans. and theres more, these shitdicks did a whole photoshoot

[Cromwell]

If the guy is queer - whatever.

But now he's been busted for canabis and he lost his last match. Why isn't Koz getting the feature?

[Bodizapha]

Dana has a press conferance this week where he announced that none of the UFC fighters will be attending the GP. Apparently there will be NO cross breeding of UFC and Pride fighters untill the Superbowl MMA event, scheduled for later this year. Dana was clear to say that Wandy has four fights left on his contract, and Fedor has "Non-exclusive" Fight contract with Pride. No number was given on how many fight remain on his contract, but White said that he does not deal with "non-exclusive" contracts. So it is safe to say, we will not be seeing Fedor fight untill they get that sorted out. Last but not least, Dana said that they are trying to get a new tv deal for Pride in both the U.S. and Japan.

And with that....
My picks for UFC 70


Happily, I report that this weekend I will not have to shell out any extra money to see three of the brightrest stars in MMA throw down: Mirco Crop Cop, Andrei Arlovski, and Michael Bisping. In a locally flavored event (that sadly will be on delay), the UFC heads to Manchester England. Saturday night, the M.E.N. Arena brings down the house lights for a night of international combat. This arena has seen boxer Mike Tyson as well as world famous football club Manchester United. Set your Tivo's to Spike kids, expect some fireworks come saturday. Here is how i see them:

Edilberto Crocota Vs. Paul Taylor

Taylor is the local boy, and Crocota is a young brazilian on the rise. Neither man will be afraid to make it ugly in a hurry. Crocota is the only one with much game on the ground, so expect this to go to the mat if they are still standing after the third. Everybody from the ushers to the concession workers are gunna be screaming for Taylor, who represents England in the opening bout. I'd like to give the local boy the nod, but I like Crocota in this one.

Dennis Siver Vs. Jess Liaudin

Siver is the Forrest Griffin of Germany. A tough good looking kid who wants to come out and scrap fast and early. Liaudin is a frenchman who has a decorated history in Cage Rage and other european fight orgs. Despite his time logged in the cage Siver comes into this fight 10-3, and white hot. I like Dennis with a big knock out.

Victor Valimaki Vs. Alessio Sakara

Take a nap for this fight. Sakara most exciting aspect is his tattoos. Victor is a Canadian fighter with a UFC loss to David Heath. Sakara will redeem himself and break his losing streak with the win tonight. If their is a god, the only people who will ever have to watch this fight, are the poor saps attending live.

Junior Assuncao Vs. David Lee

Lee is another local boy, and with the exception of Bisping might be the most talented Brit on the card. We last saw Lee getting subbed by Tyson Griffin. David trains with Brazilian Top Team and has some serious submission game. Assuncao is a Capoeira style fighter. While fun to watch, and great for video games we are yet to see this dance style of fighting yield anything legit in an octagon. Expect the locals to tear the roof off the place when Lee wins with the submission.

Matt Grice Vs. Terry Etim

Two very green fighters make their UFC debut Saturday. To boot, both fighters are undefeated. The prelims on this card are as attractive as Tony Blair's busted teeth. All but this fight. My early guess is that this is going to be fight of the night. Etim has stepped up his game, training with some very respectable names in both Muay Thai and big surprise.... he is a local boy. I like Grice and he is a name to look out for, but he is a wrestler with out much depth to his game. Once he gets some exposure and polishes his game expect big things from him at 155. But this weekend look for Etim to provide the fireworks and the win in a judges decesion.

Assuerio Silva Vs. Cheick Kongo

Silva last two fights have been losses, respectfully to former champ Tim Silvia and Brandon Vera. Kongo comes into this fight with a decesion loss to Carmelo Marrero. Both these gys are fighting for a paycheck at this point in their carrer. Silva has been around the block with a win over Alessio Sakara and a decesion loss to Aleksander Emelianeko way back at Bushido 1. Kongo is a tough Frenchman with some wicked ground and pound. He looked off in his last fight and a second loss for him will not be good for his future with the UFC. If Silva gets taken to his back his night is over, on their feet i give Kongo the edge as well. Silva's only hope is Kongo gets sloppy and he slips in a sub. I give this fight to Kongo with 2nd round TKO via ground and pound.

Andrei Arlovski Vs. Fabricio Werdum

The best looking thing to ever come out of Minsk since... Well, at least his last fight was a bit of redemption from the bore-fest that was Arovski/Silvia 3. I love Andrei, he trains in Chicago, wears fancy ruffeled shirts, and when he is on he is a terror at HW. Werdum takes this fight as his first bout from under the team crocop umbrella. Both fighters are sick in their own respective game. Arlocski has hands, and when the connect the give brain damage. Ask Paul Bunatello and Cabbage. Werdum has some of the best BJJ in the game. Fabricio can brag about a kimura win over Overeem, and a TKO against Gabe Gonzaga back in 2003. Let me be blunt, I love Andrei and I will be rooting for him untill my throat bleeds. But this is a BAD matchup for him, the Pitbull is yet to be tested on the ground by a legit grappler. Werdum is as legit as it gets, with hands to back it up. Unless Andrei can end this with a quick KO i expect Werdum to take a decesion.

Michael Bisping Vs. Elvis Sinosic

The only detail of this fight worth discussing is how little of a sweat Bisping will lather in this TKO. Please retire Elivs. Please.

David Heath Vs. Lyoto Machida

These two light heavyweights have the potential to run away with this entire card with a good showing. Two 9-0 fighters square in a brilliant match put together by Zuffa. Keep in mind Forrest Girffin was initially set to fight on this card but had to pull out with an infection. Whoever wins this fight puts themself in legit shape to move toward a title shot. Heath is a well rounded fighter who has fared well in the Octagon as of late. Machida on the other hand has wins against Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonner, and B.J. Penn. This is the best fight nobody is talking about. Come Sunday, all the casual UFC fans will be talking about "Mach" after a late third round KO.

Mirko Cro Cop Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Depite UFC 70 countdowns hour long info-mercial to boost Gonzaga as a legit HW contender, Mirko will make short work of him. The only test for Cro Cop will be his learning curve with a fence rather then the ropes of a ring he is used to in Pride and K-1. Randy waits in the foregorund for what will be the most insanly hyped HW match in UFC history. Sadly, we have to watch Gonzaga get his head caved in before that fight.

Enjoy the fights, have a good weekend!

Feel free to give feedback @ www.myspace.com/black_eye_rish or black_eye_rish@hotmail.com

[Cromwell]

Andrei Arlovski Vs. Fabricio Werdum

I love Andrei, he trains in Chicago, wears fancy ruffeled shirts, and when he is on he is a terror at HW. Werdum takes this fight as his first bout from under the team crocop umbrella. Both fighters are sick in their own respective game. Arlocski has hands, and when the connect the give brain damage. Werdum has some of the best BJJ in the game. Let me be blunt, I love Andrei and I will be rooting for him untill my throat bleeds. But this is a BAD matchup for him, the Pitbull is yet to be tested on the ground by a legit grappler. Werdum is as legit as it gets, with hands to back it up. Unless Andrei can end this with a quick KO i expect Werdum to take a decesion.


Thanks for this preview and analysis. I too am an Arlovski fan. I'd like to see him get back on track in the heavyweight division.



Michael Bisping Vs. Elvis Sinosic

The only detail of this fight worth discussing is how little of a sweat Bisping will lather in this TKO. Please retire Elivs. Please.


So - who should Bisbing fight next (that you consider a real challenge for him)?


Mirko Cro Cop Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Depite UFC 70 countdowns hour long info-mercial to boost Gonzaga as a legit HW contender


Ha, ha. Great description. I nodded off a few times during it. :rolleyes:


Mirko will make short work of him. The only test for Cro Cop will be his learning curve with a fence rather then the ropes of a ring he is used to in Pride and K-1. Randy waits in the foregorund for what will be the most insanly hyped HW match in UFC history. Sadly, we have to watch Gonzaga get his head caved in before that fight.


Ah, well - its free :icon_mrgr

[Rance]

Napao (Gonzaga) is the real deal. He is an underdog for sure, but its a very winnable fight for him.

Also, here is my blog this week: http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=195767

[Fredo Corleone]

Napao (Gonzaga) is the real deal. He is an underdog for sure, but its a very winnable fight for him.



did dana white make you say that? it's in the contract, right?;)

[Bodizapha]

roflmao!

Crom, they are just padding fighters. The same way they padded Diego, Forrest, Stephenson, and to an extent Evans.

I expected them to throw Bisping a few cookies before he got a steak. As of this point i think good striker matchups for Bisping include: Jason Lambert or Forrest Griffin. On the ground (which he is weakest) good matchups might be: Renato Sobral or Lyoto Machida. Dean Lister might make a good fight for Bisping too, Lister has NO stand-up but could school Bisping if he took him to the ground. Those two developed a friendship after TUF, so I doubt that fight gets booked. Rashad, Jardine, Lambert are all coming off wins and are bidding for title shots. Honestly, I suspect that Bisping's next fight could be the winner of this weekends bout between Machida and Heath.

[Rance]

did dana white make you say that? it's in the contract, right?;)

No need to. Napao is a badass. Not saying he is a favorite by any means... but I think he is going to win.

[Larz]

If Gonzaga can survive the stand up and bring it to the ground, Mirko will be in trouble. The question is does he have enough cardio to keep the pressure on.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop definitely does not want to be on his back, but its not disasterous for him if he does. hes got sub defense, more than strong enough to hold and stall waiting for a stand up. its not like this is the first time hes going up against a fighter with good submissions

[Larz]

the line at betonfighting.com has Cro Cop -525, Gonzaga +425. I rarely bet on MMA cause its so unpredictable but this line seems a little out of whack, I'm putting $100 on Gonzaga just for kicks.

[highway23]

don't forget boys....9:00!

[Rev]

OMFG!

FYI- avoid mma sites 100% till 9pm, unless you want to be spoiled. Don't even hit the main pages. TRUST ME.

Holy F@ckin SHIT!

[Rev]

WARNING: SPOILER (video) LINK...
http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070421_15882_44494.php

do NOT click it, if you want to catch it at 9pm.

[highway23]

I'm not going to click...

but you're teasing...and that's not very nice

[GDRC]

the line at betonfighting.com has Cro Cop -525, Gonzaga +425. I rarely bet on MMA cause its so unpredictable but this line seems a little out of whack, I'm putting $100 on Gonzaga just for kicks.
Good Bet

[mendozathejew]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/CroCopgetsatasteofhisownmedicine.gifdamn nice job on those few predictions for gonzaga. wand, gsp and now cro cop all brutally KOd.

[MikeyP]

Can someone please tell me what happened to the Machida fight?

[risnuff]

Machida won 30-27, 30-26, 30-27. The fight was probably not deemed entertaining enough for the broadcast and was cut. Etim/Grice was shown instead.

[mendozathejew]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/gabriel-gonzaga_mirko-filipovic.gif
one more look at it with both replay angles

[Cybouncer]

Napao (Gonzaga) is the real deal. He is an underdog for sure, but its a very winnable fight for him.

Also, here is my blog this week: http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/v...ticleid=195767


No need to. Napao is a badass. Not saying he is a favorite by any means... but I think he is going to win.


Maybe some more of you guys should have listened to the guy on the inside. :action-sm

[Standby]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/gabriel-gonzaga_mirko-filipovic.gif
one more look at it with both replay angles

That video is as deserving of a PWN3D tag as any I've seen...

And well, Joe, I guess that's why you're doing this and the rest of us dummies are just watching it... good call, man.

[Rance]

did dana white make you say that? it's in the contract, right?;)

What do I know...

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

What do I know...
Hehe...I can hear you gloating about calling the fight all the way in NJ

lol

definitely good call bro, I was thinking it would be more of a toss up, in no way did I think that Mirko was gonna get KO'd as bad as he did. Wow, man that leg was just disturbing looking.

Have you heard if his knee and/or ankle got messed up yet? I thought I saw a little limp on the way out of the cage.

[Larz]

Damn my throat is still soar from going apeshit after Herb Dean stood them up prematurely. Cop was really starting to eat elbows up against the cage then out of nowhere gets thrown a blatant lifeline.

Even though I had money on Gonzaga (only cause betonfighting had their line way off) I didn't wanna see Mirko get KTFO like that. I dunno if someone gave Herb the high sign to get Mirko off his back, or he took the initiative to try and save the fight, but that was some seriously crooked shit.

Who knows what the outcome would have been if the fight had played out honestly.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop lets his arrogance get the better of him, and thats been his MO since his kickboxing days. and once again he got caught and paid for it brutally. but gonzaga had to be good enough to do it, and hes obvioulsy more than good enough

[Bronx Johnny]

I believe Crocop's loss is a good thing for the UFC because you have to figure that Fedor is watching all of this. Crocop and Fedor are constantly compared to each other, unfairly by the way since Fedor clearly is the most dominant in the world, and to see Crocop lose the way he did most make Fedor want to know what he could do in the UFC. Thanks for posting links missed the fight due to my own on friday night...i fucked up my right wrist by over doing it and connecting with pavement any advice on improving accuracy would be greatly appreciated you dudes are the most knowledgable in MMA thanks a bunch for keeping me updated. What do you fellas think of Anderson Silva i think he is one of the best fightersin MMA but also i dont think he is getting a big enough push.

[Cybouncer]

Damn my throat is still soar from going apeshit after Herb Dean stood them up prematurely. Cop was really starting to eat elbows up against the cage then out of nowhere gets thrown a blatant lifeline.

Even though I had money on Gonzaga (only cause betonfighting had their line way off) I didn't wanna see Mirko get KTFO like that. I dunno if someone gave Herb the high sign to get Mirko off his back, or he took the initiative to try and save the fight, but that was some seriously crooked shit.

Who knows what the outcome would have been if the fight had played out honestly.


That's exactly what I said! I don't know if Mirko would have made it out of the first round if he hadn't stood them up. Gonzaga was ground-n-pounding him pretty good.


Thanks for posting links missed the fight due to my own on friday night...i fucked up my right wrist by over doing it and connecting with pavement any advice on improving accuracy would be greatly appreciated

Slow down and make your punches count. Don't just throw wildly. Fight with your head, not just your ballz.:action-sm

[DoughBoy]

WARNING: SPOILER (video) LINK...
http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070421_15882_44494.php

do NOT click it, if you want to catch it at 9pm.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

[Rev]

I tell ya... reading the live PBP on the Underground, I truly thought they were goofing, and they were still walking out to their intro music.
It wasn't till i hit 2 or 3 sites to confirm, then it sunk in.

On a different note... I'm kinda glad to see allot of the mma boards start having the debate on "smart fights vs exciting fights."
It's a sport. The fans may want a slugfest, but at the end of the day, it's the W that brings you the $.

[Cybouncer]

On a different note... I'm kinda glad to see allot of the mma boards start having the debate on "smart fights vs exciting fights."
It's a sport. The fans may want a slugfest, but at the end of the day, it's the W that brings you the $.


Yes and no.

You need exciting fights to bring in the casual MMA watcher, and fights like Arlovski's last night are not going to bing in the big Advertising bucks. Love it or hate it, it's how it has to be for the sport to grow.

[( . Y . )]

Yes and no.

You need exciting fights to bring in the casual MMA watcher, and fights like Arlovski's last night are not going to bing in the big Advertising bucks. Love it or hate it, it's how it has to be for the sport to grow.

I agree, that's why fighters who are "human highlight reels" are the more popular ones. Tim Sylvia was a winning champion, but also one of the most hated because of his fighting style.

I also think more people need to take some classes. In my opinion the reason why the mainstream sports are so popular is because most fans have played it before and can easily understand it. Almost everyone has grown up with football, baseball, basketball, hockey etc....

A lot of my friends love mma because they were high school wrestlers. They sometimes don't get the details of bjj but they love the ground game. I've encouraged everyone who i met and who's a fan to just goto their closest school and take a free class or two. The more understanding they have about the sport the more they can appreciate it.

[( . Y . )]

On a side note there should be a MMA sub forum so different topics can be posted. Like a TUF topic to keep track of the show. and maybe local fights in your area etc... just a suggestion.

[Larz]

What do you fellas think of Anderson Silva i think he is one of the best fightersin MMA but also i dont think he is getting a big enough push.

Anderson Silva has the sickest MT technique and accuracy in MMA, but he's very Vulnerable to a top level MMA wrestler. Matt Hughes at 185 would be a nightmare for him. Dan Henderson could probably twist him into a pretzel. He has a BJJ black belt from big Nog but I think thats more hype than anything. He caught Travis Lutter in a triangle but in my opinion the sub came from borderline illegal elbows.

[StonerJack]

Lutter said it was the triangle that tapped him.
But ya, AS will have a tough time vs a good gnp fighter, like Okami. Who I see becoming the 185 champ.

[StonerJack]

What do I know...
What are you paying Goldberg for all those name drops last night?

[Larz]

Yeah if Dana wants Franklin back on top, he gives Okami a shot at Silva first.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Damn my throat is still soar from going apeshit after Herb Dean stood them up prematurely. Cop was really starting to eat elbows up against the cage then out of nowhere gets thrown a blatant lifeline.

Even though I had money on Gonzaga (only cause betonfighting had their line way off) I didn't wanna see Mirko get KTFO like that. I dunno if someone gave Herb the high sign to get Mirko off his back, or he took the initiative to try and save the fight, but that was some seriously crooked shit.

Who knows what the outcome would have been if the fight had played out honestly.
Dude seriously...I was pissed at that.

I hate seeing it when the refs stand a fight up like that to "keep it exciting for the fans", if no one has the upper hand then fine...by all means stand it up...but not like that. That's just bullshit, there was no reason to stand that up. Gonzaga was keeping busy and cro cop was getting beaten. Standing it back up was clearly in Cro Cop's favor....it's just suspect

[Rance]

What are you paying Goldberg for all those name drops last night?

I was told by a few people he was mentioning me in regards to upsets... but I didn't hear it. I was at local fights on Saturday, so I DVRed the UFC and fast forwarded to the fights.

[Standby]

I also think more people need to take some classes. In my opinion the reason why the mainstream sports are so popular is because most fans have played it before and can easily understand it. Almost everyone has grown up with football, baseball, basketball, hockey etc....


Completely QFT. I've taken muay thai classes for about a little over 6 months at a Lloyd Irvin center (Brandon Vera came out of that team), recently moved from Level 1 to Level 2. And yes, I watch the fights with a whole new appreciation having done it and understanding why they do what they do. Watching a fight with a bunch of people who know what they're talking about and understand the mechanics of a fight is so much better than someone who screams "OH SHIT HE GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT" when nothing really happened...

Sadly it's the same reason why I can't go to a live fight because I'd have to get seats where I can actually see the fight, not nosebleed seats that still cost me $150... I'll stick with a drink, some food, and my TV...

[Fredo Corleone]

What do I know...

for real. i thought you were just towing company line, man. i bet you didn't think it would end with a RHK though!

that stand up was shady as hell, considering the amount of time they gave ausserio silva on the ground with congo when he clearly wasn't do anything to improve position, set up a sub, or doing damage. i thought herb dean works for the nevada state athletic commission and not zuffa, but that stand up would suggest otherwise.

like mtj said, crocop is arrogant and he got what he deserved. he even said so in a statement from croatia. he was arrogant and acted as if UFC fighters were below him. when he comes back, i hope he actually comes in with some kind of game plan aside from LMK, LHK, goodnight. he didn't throw any punches or any low kicks. maybe he'll think twice about training without a cage, too. also, he could easily cut to 205lbs if he wanted to. it's kind of funny how rogan was talking about his small jaw and head and how it's not the best shock absorber. i really wouldn't be surprised if liddell would put him down with a right hand (if he could land it). i also thought it was funny how crocop used to brag about changing the direction of his kicks midkick. from the replay it looks like he thought gonzaga was going to the body with that kick.

i actually felt bad for mirko at first, but then i remembered how many poor bastards he's done the exact same thing to. what goes around comes around i guess.

[Fredo Corleone]

I believe Crocop's loss is a good thing for the UFC because you have to figure that Fedor is watching all of this. Crocop and Fedor are constantly compared to each other, unfairly by the way since Fedor clearly is the most dominant in the world, and to see Crocop lose the way he did most make Fedor want to know what he could do in the UFC. Thanks for posting links missed the fight due to my own on friday night...i fucked up my right wrist by over doing it and connecting with pavement any advice on improving accuracy would be greatly appreciated you dudes are the most knowledgable in MMA thanks a bunch for keeping me updated. What do you fellas think of Anderson Silva i think he is one of the best fightersin MMA but also i dont think he is getting a big enough push.

anderson silva probably has the best stand up in mma. i think he's a more complete striker than crocop, because his clinch and knees are much better. also, his foot work is off the hook. as far as him getting a push i think there are two problems: 1- that he doesn't speak english, so his interviews leave a lot to be desired and he can't get into the announcing booth, etc. also, he's not fighting enough. they should try to get him into atleast 4 events a year, so that the fans get to know him and recognize him.

i think that they could have similar problems with gonzaga if he becomes the champ. also, i see gonzaga as a guy who could give couture BIG problems. he's basically ricco rodriguez who can strike. couture historically has had trouble with big grapplers like barnett and ricco. but, did you guys notice how fucking huge randy looked last night? i've heard from guys our of his camp that he's been bulking up a lot, probably to deal with big grapplers. randy picked gabriel to win on the plane ride over to the UK, so perhaps he's been planning to fight a big grappler for a while.

[Cromwell]

All I can add to this discussion is - wow.

First - big props to Rance who really wasn't bs'ing. Once I saw the feature on Gonzaga and how he trains up there in Massachusetts - I figured Joe had seen him in training.

However, I dont' think anyone expected what happened. That was just brutally classic.

Hey - even Randy Coture picked the bigger man there to win. Now Randy has to come up with a gameplan of his own! :rolleyes:

Arlovski was a big disappointment. Even he knew it once the fight was over. He could have sooo gone for it - and it would have been a great fight on his comeback trail. Maybe next time.

As for Bisbing - he was (again) impressive - for his just flat-out athleticism and brutal desire to end it punching. But he definintely showed a hole in his game when he got caught by Sinosic. If Elvis had *just a little bit more* left in the tank - he would have submitted Bisbing with that Kimura.

All in all, a pretty good night of fights. :icon_cool

[Kid Brock]

All I can add to this discussion is - wow.

First - big props to Rance who really wasn't bs'ing. Once I saw the feature on Gonzaga and how he trains up there in Massachusetts - I figured Joe had seen him in training.

However, I dont' think anyone expected what happened. That was just brutally classic.

Hey - even Randy Coture picked the bigger man there to win. Now Randy has to come up with a gameplan of his own! :rolleyes:

Arlovski was a big disappointment. Even he knew it once the fight was over. He could have sooo gone for it - and it would have been a great fight on his comeback trail. Maybe next time.

As for Bisbing - he was (again) impressive - for his just flat-out athleticism and brutal desire to end it punching. But he definintely showed a hole in his game when he got caught by Sinosic. If Elvis had *just a little bit more* left in the tank - he would have submitted Bisbing with that Kimura.

All in all, a pretty good night of fights. :icon_cool


I 99.9% agree with every thiing you said except I wholy blame Werdum for the boredom that was the Arlovski fight. He was the one who neeeded to get the fight to the ground and attempted 0 times to shoot the Pitbull. I can see early he just didn't want to get caught coming in on him, but once it was obvious he was going to lose a decision he had to try and he did not.

[Cromwell]

I 99.9% agree with every thiing you said except I wholy blame Werdum for the boredom that was the Arlovski fight. He was the one who neeeded to get the fight to the ground and attempted 0 times to shoot the Pitbull. I can see early he just didn't want to get caught coming in on him, but once it was obvious he was going to lose a decision he had to try and he did not.

Oh, you're right about that, Vegas.

The burden to press the fight was clearly on Werdum in the second and third round.

But - Arlovski was doing too much "boxing" - bobbing and weaving - and waiting for the fight to come to him. It turned into a bore-fest.

A win like that isn't going to raise your profile at all. Especially in the now and ever-increasingly crowded heavyweight division.

Arlovski has to become the "pit bull" again.

[Fredo Corleone]

Arlovski was a big disappointment. Even he knew it once the fight was over. He could have sooo gone for it - and it would have been a great fight on his comeback trail. Maybe next time.


i think tim sylvia was right when he said that he hit AA with a hard right hand in their third fight, and AA didn't want to fight anymore. there was a point in the first round where rogan was commenting on how AA was growing more and more confident in his strikes and it was only a matter of time before he zero'd in and unloaded on werdum. but then werdum hit him with a couple of shots the backed AA up across the cage, and AA stopped fighting. he seems to lose the desire to fight once he gets tagged pretty good.

As for Bisbing - he was (again) impressive - for his just flat-out athleticism and brutal desire to end it punching. But he definintely showed a hole in his game when he got caught by Sinosic. If Elvis had *just a little bit more* left in the tank - he would have submitted Bisbing with that Kimura.


bisping looked good, but i still feel like he'd have a ton of trouble against the mid and upper eschelon of the 205 division. i think even tito would just man handle him, and toss him around. i think he'd have trouble with rampage's power and toughness, and rashad's athleticism. i don't even want to mention what i think liddell would do to him.

[mendozathejew]

also, he could easily cut to 205lbs if he wanted to. it's kind of funny how rogan was talking about his small jaw and head and how it's not the best shock absorber. i really wouldn't be surprised if liddell would put him down with a right hand (if he could land it).
nah hes already said thats not possible. at his advanced age your asking him to cut weight for the first time in his career. and it would be about 20 pounds. wrestlers cut weight so easily because its second nature to them.

a HW fighter cutting 20 pounds for the first in his career in his mid 30s would be disasterous.

[Fredo Corleone]

nah hes already said thats not possible. at his advanced age your asking him to cut weight for the first time in his career. and it would be about 20 pounds. wrestlers cut weight so easily because its second nature to them.

a HW fighter cutting 20 pounds for the first in his career in his mid 30s would be disasterous.

yeah, i guess that's true, but maybe getting caught under wrestlers that have 20 lbs on him, elbows at their disposure and a cage to pin him against might change his mind. also, he's not that old - he's only 32, and should have a few more years left. then again, i feel like he'd be more likely to just retire if he takes another ass kicking.

[Kid Brock]

Line of the night if it hasn't already been mentioned was of course by Rogan when during one of the times Werdum hopped up from trying to induce AA to go to the ground with him. "Wow he just gave him a really mean look"

[mendozathejew]

MIRKO CRO COP RETURNS HOME
Monday, April 23, 2007 - by MMAWeekly.com

For the first time in five years, the UFC returned to England. At the M.E.N. Arena in Manchester, England, UK, 14,921 fans witnessed one of the biggest upsets of the year. UFC 70: Nations Collide was headlined by a title elimination match between Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic and Gabriel Gonzaga. Coming into the fight as a big underdog, Gonzaga did the unthinkable and knocked out Mirko Filipovic with a right high kick.

Just one day after his shocking loss, Mirko returned to Zagreb, Croatia. Upon his arrival, Mirko spoke with Hrvatski Sportski about his unfortunate loss. “I got what I deserved after a performance like this,” said the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix Champion. “That seems to be the cross I’m carrying. I fall down every once in a while and I don’t know why. I’ve been through two times of crisis. Against [Kevin] Randleman, I came back; against Fedor [Emelianenko], I came back. I’ll come back after this. It’s part of my career.”

The knockout loss was the most devastating in the Croatian star’s career. After such a defeat, some fans wondered if “Cro Cop” would continue fighting. “Of course I will finish my [UFC] contract,” responded Mirko. “I have 4 fights left.”

When Gonzaga landed the right high kick, Mirko fell to the mat, landing awkwardly on his right leg. According to Nokaut.com, Mirko’s ankle remains swollen and does give him some discomfort. He is expected to have an exam on Tuesday to further diagnose the injury.

With the win, Gabriel Gonzaga earned a shot at Randy Couture’s heavyweight belt.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3825&zoneid=13

[StonerJack]

Hey Joe, After that prediction I'm really curious to hear some of your rankings for the weight classes. I know nowadays they don't mean shit, but I'd like to know who you think the best fighters are.

[mendozathejew]

cro cops interview from today or yesterday. translated by a member of sherdog

New Cc Interview, Hopes For A Rematch
Although a KO he survived looked deadly, Mirko Filipović does not have a headache. He's ankle is bruised though.

I'm not going to do anything for two weeks. I won't be drinking vitamines or proteines. I'm gonna clear my body. I'm a very spiteful person, and I wanted to start training the same night I came home but i know that would be contra - productive – says Mirko.

I WAS LOST
Mirko feels very bad he disappointed his fans, especially ones who came to Manchester to support him. And he does not care for people who enjoyed his fall!

„I'm not obliged to anybody for justification. Except for 2 years in amateur boxing where few boxing turnament trips were payed for me, no sporting association has invested in me. I'm my own investment.“

He has no excuse for his performance. He does not know what happened, but he can say in what state he was:

„I don't have an alibi.To me it happens once in a while. I looks like I was blown out after I won OWGP. I wasn't happy even with my first fight in UFC. This time also i didn't decided to go in some exchange of strikes. There was no fighting spirit in me, I was lost!

Mirko added that he had no iniciative and no strategy!
„What happened had nothing to do with my preparations and conditioning. It has to do with concentracion in the fight and focusing on the opponent. Before the fight I was nervous, thinking about stupid things – i was in some bad mood altogether. It just looks I'm that kind of guy. I need a rude awakening to get focused again.

He says he didn't even see the HK coming:

„After those elbow shots to the tample, when I stood up, all I saw was sam blurry stuff.“
Mirko said he's gonna do some changes in his trainings. He's gonna do elbows and defendin elbows wich he didn't do.

„I'm not used to elbows. But that's my problem. And I have to do special trainings for my ankles witch had been hurt many times.“

And he stated he wants a rematch with Gonzaga.

http://vecernji.hr/newsroom/sports/more/789437/index.do
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=557395

[Cybouncer]

Believe it or not, I can understand what he's saying.

Fighters, or people who compete in any sport for that matter, can fall into a funk and lose the fire. Especially when you're on a run like Mirko's been, it's tough to get up for yet another fight.

I think this is GREAT for the MMA world. Now Mirko will come out and be the wrecking ball that he's been in the past. Things are really going to get good now!

[Bronx Johnny]

Randy should beat Gonzaga not only from experience but also he wont under estimate Gonzaga. Also Randy is versed in the cage, while for some inexplicable reason Mirko feels it does not benefit him to train in one, do not understand why. Gonzaga looked very good, i've never seen him before and i do believe he is not getting the credit he deserves but he wont be taken lightly and the element of surprise is non extent. The natural will be ready in what i think has the potiential to be fight of the year. I read in a prior page of an MMA superbowl? Anyone know where there are details of this maybe happening?

[Palerider4146]

Anyone else feel that CroCops fight was almost a mirror of GSP/Serra. The grapplers both looked like they trained there asses off on the standup game to suprise their opponent. I'm not saying Cop or GSP underestimated their opponents, but you had two guys who obviously are strongest on the ground and they both came out saying "hey I'm going to stand with you and beat you at your own game" and it worked for both guys.

[Rance]

Hey Joe, After that prediction I'm really curious to hear some of your rankings for the weight classes. I know nowadays they don't mean shit, but I'd like to know who you think the best fighters are.

There are no real rankings... its all about stylistic matchups. Thats why you get the Fighter A beats Fighter B, Fighter B beats Fighter C, yet Fighter C beats Fighter A.

I didn't expect a right high kick, but I did expect Napao to take him down off the body/leg kick and for Cro Cop to be on his back for most of the fight. And while Napao is world class on the ground, I also said though that Napao has good standup and is dangerous there too (don't think I said that here, but I said it somewhere). Someone like Noguiera who is said to be so great on the ground... well he is, but world class in MMA on the ground. Napao is world class period, whether it be grappling or MMA. There is a big difference between someone like Nog who is 220 (maybe, roughly?), and a grappling wizard like Napao that is 260.

I hate to pick against Randy, but I am picking Napao in that one too. Randy is a freak, but time will catch up sooner rather than later, and he has ALWAYS had trouble with much bigger grapplers (Ricco Rodriguez, Josh Barnett, etc).

[Palerider4146]

Rance good point about Randy and Napao, he has had problems against them big boys in the past. Shit I didnt realize he weighed that much. He really impressed me Sat night, but also in his last UFC fight, he had a sick ground game. This kid was supposed to be a stepping stone in some peoples eyes and instead he may be the next champ. Shit like this and Serra winning is what is great about MMA, I like the crazy changes. Nothing against Chuck or Hughes in the past, but it get's boring watching the same champ dominate his opponents. I cant wait for someone to finally at least make a fight with Chuck, and not get KOd in under 5 mins.

[Fredo Corleone]

i think gonzaga weighed in at 245lbs. i said in another post that he reminds me of ricco rodriguez who can strike, and we've seen what happens to couture when big grapplers tire him out and put him on his back.

[Larz]

He says he didn't even see the HK coming:

„After those elbow shots to the tample, when I stood up, all I saw was sam blurry stuff.“
Mirko said he's gonna do some changes in his trainings. He's gonna do elbows and defendin elbows wich he didn't do.

„I'm not used to elbows. But that's my problem.

This is very telling. He's confirming that he was getting hurt on the ground (which I think most everyone could see) yet Herb Dean stood them up. Granted gonzaga won anyway, but I find the call really disturbing.

Everyone knows that Gonzaga's chances of winning increase dramatically when it goes to the ground, so was Dean given special instructions beforehand?

[Cromwell]

This is very telling. He's confirming that he was getting hurt on the ground (which I think most everyone could see) yet Herb Dean stood them up. Granted gonzaga won anyway, but I find the call really disturbing.

Everyone knows that Gonzaga's chances of winning increase dramatically when it goes to the ground, so was Dean given special instructions beforehand?

Who knows why they sometimes let the whale-humping go on - and then other times stand them up quickly.

I still don't get why Sherk was able to stall the match away with Kenny Florian. But yeah - maybe as a reaction to that - they are now standing them up more quickly these days.

[mendozathejew]

so was Dean given special instructions beforehand?
as much as I hate dana white I find it hard to believe hed tamper with fair competition. but who knows. dean works for the nsac, not zuffa, but it is possible.

rance would know this (and everything else) much better than us, but the ufc has been accused of encouraging "ultimate boxing" meaning theyve been looking for stand up wars over complex ground games. are they moving towards quick stand ups as a general rule for ufc fights?

[filthgrinder]

This is very telling. He's confirming that he was getting hurt on the ground (which I think most everyone could see) yet Herb Dean stood them up. Granted gonzaga won anyway, but I find the call really disturbing.

Everyone knows that Gonzaga's chances of winning increase dramatically when it goes to the ground, so was Dean given special instructions beforehand?

I don't buy the conspiracy theory going around the internet on this one. The "ooh! the fix was in, Herb Dean was TOLD by Dana White himself to make sure Cro-Cop won!" That just doesn't ring true to me. I think it needs to be taken in the context of the night. The card already featured 3 dull, slow, boring matches (Machida v Heath, Kongo v Silva, and Arlovski v Werdum). While Gonzaga was working, he was just content with sitting in guard, pushing Mirko up against the cage and peppering him with short little elbows. Gonzaga wasn't working to pass guard, or even find a submission. He wasn't going balls out on ground and pound either. In the context of the night, and the fact that there wasn't much time left in the round, Herb Dean stood them up.

I just wish all the internet mma conspiracy theorists would just stay on Sherdog.

[Chino Kapone]

The UFC does not want to be anything like boxing. The fact that anyone would think there is a conspiricy is just trying to have something to talk about.

I would think that the UFC would want as many upsets as possible, it makes it that much more exciting. Cro Cop Gonzaga, Serra GSP, Coture Silvia, Hughes GSP, Silva Franklin have all been upsets and also some of the most exciting fights in the past year. The Product that the UFC is pushing right now is fantastic, and if i could buy stock in it I would because its a sport that is on the rise in a huge way.

[Larz]

I don't buy the conspiracy theory going around the internet on this one. The "ooh! the fix was in, Herb Dean was TOLD by Dana White himself to make sure Cro-Cop won!" That just doesn't ring true to me. I think it needs to be taken in the context of the night. The card already featured 3 dull, slow, boring matches (Machida v Heath, Kongo v Silva, and Arlovski v Werdum). While Gonzaga was working, he was just content with sitting in guard, pushing Mirko up against the cage and peppering him with short little elbows. Gonzaga wasn't working to pass guard, or even find a submission. He wasn't going balls out on ground and pound either. In the context of the night, and the fact that there wasn't much time left in the round, Herb Dean stood them up.

I just wish all the internet mma conspiracy theorists would just stay on Sherdog.

In the context of the night you could be right, but remember during Silvia-Couture when John McCarthy says something to the effect of "I'm not standing it up Tim." Its way inconsistent at best. And sherdog sucks by the way (I go to bodog MMA forum mainly because they have tons of vids)... it was my own initial reaction during the fight. My GF had to sweetalk the bartender out of tossing me for goin nuts.

[MilitantRabbit]

Zuffa knows stand-up MMA sucks. They've seen the ratings for World Combat League. I doubt there's a conscious effort to stop ground and pound fights.

[MikeyP]

I would think that the UFC would want as many upsets as possible, it makes it that much more exciting. Cro Cop Gonzaga, Serra GSP, Coture Silvia, Hughes GSP, Silva Franklin have all been upsets and also some of the most exciting fights in the past year.

Don't forget about Lauzon/Pulver, one of the first big upsets of the past year! :icon_mrgr

[Palerider4146]

Don't forget about Lauzon/Pulver, one of the first big upsets of the past year! :icon_mrgr

Yeah but the word is that Lauzon guy is a pussy, and likes large black cocks. Thats just what Cromwell told me.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Yeah but the word is that Lauzon guy is a pussy, and likes large black cocks. Thats just what Cromwell told me.
lol yeah, I heard he gives up his back....ALOT, if you know what I mean

Just two men...having some fun, nothing wrong with that.

[StonerJack]

Joe, I saw you have a KO via slam, how'd it go down?

[Cromwell]

Yeah but the word is that Lauzon guy is a pussy, and likes large black cocks. Thats just what Cromwell told me.

We'll, that's the word on the street . . . .

Nahhhhh - that Rance - he's a good kid. Solid upstanding citizen.

I hear we are eventually going to get to see him fight on TUF one of these nights (coming up soon - but not this Thursday).

Who wants to bet me that Joe made it through to the finals?

[StonerJack]

I fucking hope he made it. I think he can beat Diaz. I wanna see Manny fight again, he looks like a beast.

If you haven't already, joe has a couple youtube fights. 1 of the them has a SICK triangle.

[Rance]

rance would know this (and everything else) much better than us, but the ufc has been accused of encouraging "ultimate boxing" meaning theyve been looking for stand up wars over complex ground games. are they moving towards quick stand ups as a general rule for ufc fights?

They don't want boring fights, obviously, but they don't tell people to go and having boxing matches.


Joe, I saw you have a KO via slam, how'd it go down?

I got double unders, and he tried to throw me, so I just took his momentum and ended up landing on his jaw with my shoulder. Wasn't intentional, just kind of happened as a result of trying to stay on top.



Bastards.

[mendozathejew]

They don't want boring fights, obviously, but they don't tell people to go and having boxing matches.

I meant more with the rules, like quicker standups, changing the scoring critera, is that going to change

[Larz]

I meant more with the rules, like quicker standups, changing the scoring critera, is that going to change


I remember reading that the UFC gives bonuses for KO's.

[Rev]

We'll, that's the word on the street . . . .

Nahhhhh - that Rance - he's a good kid. Solid upstanding citizen.

I hear we are eventually going to get to see him fight on TUF one of these nights (coming up soon - but not this Thursday).

Who wants to bet me that Joe made it through to the finals?You're talking finals, not semi's, yes? If so, I'll take that bet.
No offense Rance, just sounds like a fun bet... not a sure one.

[Larz]

Speaking of bets, the current line on UFC 71 from betonfighting

Chuck Liddel -300, Quinton Jackson +240. I have Liddell as the favorite but these odds have him as a lock. There might be a nice opportunity here if the line moves further away from Rampage.


Karo Parisyan -300, Josh Burkman +240. not much here.

[filthgrinder]

I remember reading that the UFC gives bonuses for KO's.

Supposedly it's a $30,000 bonus for "of the night"s.
$30K for "KO of the night"
$30K for "Submission of the night"

and $30K to each fighter in "Fight of the night"

http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/04/28/ufc-70-fighter-bonuses-gabriel-gonzaga-scores-knockout-of-the-night/