Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Kyle]

Did anyone see the weigh ins? I notitced in the pic that Lutter shaved his head, I wonder if his head was shaved at the initial weigh in and if he shaved to lose a bit of weight.

That's what was being reported about it.

[Palerider4146]

Heh! This article is sure to anger (or make laugh) many of you on here (espeically you, Mendoza). Its Fox Sports top 10 pound-for-pound MMA fighters

Especially who they don't list at Number 1:

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6361404

I'll say this, although I dont totally agree with it, it isnt bad, I've seen much worse pfps out there. I give Fox credit, I surely expected them to ignore Pride, but they were well represented. Makes you really think what would happen with Chuck vs Fedor. I did expect to see Wanderlai further up, but it wasnt a horribile list.

[SnuggleBug]

In the words of the great Sgt. Hartman "Only steers and queers come from Texas."

Not to be an ass, but he is a Gunny, therefore his rank would be GySgt Hartman. Hee Hee

[mendozathejew]

Makes you really think what would happen with Chuck vs Fedor..

come on now. stop it

[MacOSX]

Allright!

Here we go.

Anyone else watching the PPV?
(I can only respond once every 15 minutes, due to my post count)
So, if you are watching it, F-IN A!
If not, buy it now and watch.;)

Under the spoiler is what sherdog has for the undercard fights so far.

Diego Saraiva (Pictures) vs. Dustin Hazelett (Pictures)
Round 1
Hazelett controlled much of the first round on the feet, then later scored with some punishment from the top position on the ground. Saraiva was able to reverse at one point, but the match was restarted to standing after a stalemate. Hazelett takes the first round on the Sherdog.com scorecard, 10-9.

Round 2
Hazelett comes out and lands some solid shots to his opponent's chin. Hazelett scores a takedown. Dustin is controlling the fight and picking his shots on the ground. With a minute left in the round, Saraiva was able to sweep and land some elbows from Hazelett's half-guard. Sherdog.com gives the second stanza to Dustin Hazelett, 10-9.

Round 3
Hazelett looks tired as he steps forward to start round 3. Hazelett lands a kick to the head of Diego. Diego switches levels and slams Hazelett to the mat. Saraiva rides the top position for a few minutes without doing any damage. The ref stands the fighters up. Hazelett lands a few punches but Saraiva counters with a trip takedown. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Saraiva. The offical scorecards all read 30-27 for the winner by unanimous decision, Dustin Hazelett.

Sam Hoger (Pictures) vs. Ryoto Machida (Pictures)
Round 1
Ryoto dropped Hoger three times in the round with the same technique; countering a lazy Hoger kick with a stright punch to the chin. With about 1:40 left in the round, Ryoto scored a body lock takedown. Hoger landed a few shots in the round and went for an ankle lock but the first frame goes to Machida, 10-9.

Round 2
Again Ryoto drops Hoger after catching a lazy low kick. Ryoto does some damage in Hoger's guard. Hoger takes several shots while trying to escape to his feet. Hoger hooks a leg and attempts a submission but Ryoto punishes him for it. Ryoto lands two knees to the chin of Hoger. Hoger falls down and Ryoto enters his guard. he lands some punches and moves to mount before laying a beating on Hoger. The round ends. 10-8 for Machida.

Round 3
Ryoto lands another left straight. He follows with some kicks to the body. Ryoto scores another takedown and mounts. Hoger escapes to his feet but eats more punishment. Ryoto roughing him up with kicks to the body and a straight, snapping left. Hoger is showing lots of heart but he is being outclassed. Ryoto punctuates the fight with a big left hand as the horn sounds to end the final round. 10-9 for Machida. All three judges score the fight 30-27 for Machida.

Frank Edgar (Pictures) vs. Tyson Griffin (Pictures)
Round 1
Edgar scores a few takedowns in the opening round. Edgar with some strong punching from Griffin's guard. Tyson works to his feet and scores a takedown of his own. after a scramble, Edgar takes Griffin back down to the mat. He passes to half guard and lands some strong shots to Griffin's head. First round goes to Edgar, 10-9.

Round 2
This is turning out to be an awesome contest. Griffin comes out and lands a few hard shots. Edgar scores a takedown but can't hold Griffin down. Griffin stands up and delivers a series of lowkicks that send Edgar to the canvas. Edgar scrambles and ends up in mount. He lands some shots on Griffin before Tyson escaped the bad position. Sherdog.com scores the close round 10-9 for Griffin.

Round 3
Edgar lays a beating on the gassed out Griffin for the first four minutes of the round. With about 50 seconds left in the fight, Griffin rolled into a kneebar. The hold was very tight as Edgar screamed and pounded the mat but he rolled out and dropped some punches down on his opponent's head. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Edgar. The judges rule 29-28 x2 and 30-27 for the winner by unanimous decision, Frankie Edgar.

Terry Martin (Pictures) vs. Jorge Rivera (Pictures)
Round 1
Terry Martin knocks Rivera out cold just 14 seconds into the bout. Rivera came out and threw a lowkick that was caught by Martin. Terry dropped him to the mat and landed 3 straight right hand bombs that put Rivera to sleep.

[Aizazzle]

Patrick Cote def. Scott Smith (via Unanimous Decision 30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson def. Marvin Eastman via TKO (strikes) in Round 2.


Roger Huerta def. John Halverson via TKO (strikes) in Round 1.

Mirko CroCop def. Eddie Sanchez via TKO (strikes) in Round 1.
Crocop made sanchez look like his bitch

Anderson Silva def. Travis Lutter via Submission (strikes) in Round 2.

[( . Y . )]

All in all decent ppv. My favorite fight of the night was Frank Edgar vs. Tyson Griffin, damn that kneebar was deep.

Crocop coming out to pride theme made me laugh as did the rampage/eastman staredown.

one thing that still turns me off when watching ufc events are the crowd booing, which is why i mainly watch k1max and bushido.

[Larz]

I can't help but think that if Lutter's head was in the right place and he had made weight there could have been a big upset. Sucks to be him. Nice triangle by Silva though, you can't discount a striker being able to win off his back (even if the elbows were a little suspect).

[highfive]

All in all the PPV was not great.......you had the debuts of two great fighters but the fights were nothing special. I understand that you can't throw them into the ring with the best fighters right away however the main event was crap from the start. If the feature fight was between two solid fighter I would not mind. Then......a guy who won a chance to fight for the title by wining TUF (a chance he never deserved) does not make weight? That is a complete joke. The should take away his contract and put him in the ring with Cro Cop. That should teach him to make weight.

[Cybouncer]

Heh! This article is sure to anger (or make laugh) many of you on here (espeically you, Mendoza). Its Fox Sports top 10 pound-for-pound MMA fighters

Especially who they don't list at Number 1:

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6361404


I'm not really that bent about this article either. I don't necessarily agree with the top 3's order, but I do agree with the top 3. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Fortunately, we could find out real soon how Chuck & CroCop match up.

Hypothetically, if CroCop beats Chuck, then you can argue that the order should be Fedor, CroCop, and Chuck. This is where I think it should be anyway.


Last nights PPV was pretty ho hum. Not bad, but I wasn't all that thrilled with the match ups. They looked better on paper. Sanchez just annoyed me with the running away.

[anez_98]

just noticed that nbcsports.com has a ufc page. pretty cool stuff, seeing a major media outlet get behind it.

http://www.nbcsports.com/ufc/index.html

[Cybouncer]

I don't know if this was posted before but holy shit!

Nasty Kick! (http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=15687)





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[Barely Legal]

All in all the PPV was not great.......you had the debuts of two great fighters but the fights were nothing special. I understand that you can't throw them into the ring with the best fighters right away however the main event was crap from the start. If the feature fight was between two solid fighter I would not mind.
Agreed. The quality of opponent for Crocop and Jackson was the main reason I didn't order this PPV. I've seen these two go up against world class fighters in Pride FC and didn't feel the need to see them go up against a couple of UFC jobbers (although I think Jackson's best days are now well behind him). The only reason Jackson is in UFC is for Liddell to avenge his loss to him back in Pride's Final Conflict '03. I'd pay to see Liddell/Jackson rematch (that Liddell will win) and the eventual tie-breaking rematch.

[mendozathejew]

Hypothetically, if CroCop beats Chuck, then you can argue that the order should be Fedor, CroCop, and Chuck. This is where I think it should be anyway.

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.

thats the type of garbage that makes hardcore mma fans hate ufc fans. which is an attitude I try not to have. I think Chuck beats wanderlei in that fantasy match up of pride vs ufc.

but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.

[Larz]

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.


but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.

And the reason is quite clear... he's never had a title defense against a true striker. Everyone knows about how much of a nightmare he is for ground fighters but its been years since he faced anyone that can actually throw a punch. He just hasn't been tested.

[Fredo Corleone]

travis lutter gets caught in an awful lot of submissions (guillotine vs lindland) and attempted one of the worst armbars in recent memory. i'm starting to wonder about his black belt.

[Cromwell]

All the results when exactly as expected.

Lutter did well in the first round, though - was able to take Silva down a few times and get to side mount.

But, I think he understimated Anderson's ju-jitsu skills.

[( . Y . )]

is mma popular enough to get a subforum like wrestling and fantasy league?

[Cybouncer]

none of the major mma news sources have liddell as their #1 pound for pound. none.

thats the type of garbage that makes hardcore mma fans hate ufc fans. which is an attitude I try not to have. I think Chuck beats wanderlei in that fantasy match up of pride vs ufc.

but #1 pfp? or chuck vs cro cop and fedor? stop it.


You're probably correct.

I think that the UFC does a much better job marketing it's product to the "Mildly interested" fans where as Pride is geared more towards the fan who knows MMA.

That article was probably written by someone who doesn't know the sport, but read about it on Wikipedia or watched a season of TUF.

[mendozathejew]

a few interesting things that came out of the post fight press conference-

cro cop skipped it entirely, and apparently already had butted heads with dana white over this earlier. cro cop apparently does as he pleases, that cant go well with dana white.

dana white made kinda a peace offering to pride, k1, and japan in general. he said ufc and pride clearly has the best talent, but hed love to do an event in japan with gomi and kid, who he said would be champions in the UFC. he said hed like to do a joint promotion in japan.

[MacOSX]

I don't know if this was posted before but holy shit!

Nasty Kick! (http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=15687)





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:shocked:

Wow!

[( . Y . )]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

What was your first impression after your UFC debut?
Mirko: It was all a bit weird to me. The rules are different too. Some things are allowed, some are not; but, it was OK.

In Nevada, knees and kicks aren’t allowed to fighters with their knees on the mat. Having fought mostly in Japan, is it difficult to adjust?
Mirko: Yeah, I kept in mind that I couldn't use my knees and kicks. The rules of the game are different; and, I need to adjust. For me it's easier to fight under PRIDE rules; but, I'll do fine.

What do you think of your first UFC opponent, Eddie Sanchez?
Mirko: I think Sanchez was scared a bit, constantly backpedaling, running away from me. I was forced to chase him around.

Why was PRIDE's theme played as your entrance song?
I made that call because of reasons I’d like to keep to myself.

When will you fight for the UFC title?
Mirko: Third fight probably, or maybe even fourth. Against Sylvia or Couture, we'll see.

When is your next fight?
Mirko: In Manchester on April 20th. I don't know who my next opponent will be yet.

What do you think about the support shown from U.S. Croatians?
Mirko: It was really nice. The atmosphere was different; the event venue was smaller; but, it was very interesting. The fans are much louder than the crowd in Japan.

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Do you prefer PRIDE or UFC?
Mirko: Well, there are some things that are different from a promotional aspect; but, I don't want to make any comments. I'm a UFC fighter now; and, that's it. Both organizations have done a terrific job. Some things are different, like the crowd. They “boo” if the fight isn’t interesting. In Japan, they don't do that.

[Fredo Corleone]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

What was your first impression after your UFC debut?
Mirko: It was all a bit weird to me. The rules are different too. Some things are allowed, some are not; but, it was OK.

In Nevada, knees and kicks aren’t allowed to fighters with their knees on the mat. Having fought mostly in Japan, is it difficult to adjust?
Mirko: Yeah, I kept in mind that I couldn't use my knees and kicks. The rules of the game are different; and, I need to adjust. For me it's easier to fight under PRIDE rules; but, I'll do fine.

What do you think of your first UFC opponent, Eddie Sanchez?
Mirko: I think Sanchez was scared a bit, constantly backpedaling, running away from me. I was forced to chase him around.

Why was PRIDE's theme played as your entrance song?
I made that call because of reasons I’d like to keep to myself.

When will you fight for the UFC title?
Mirko: Third fight probably, or maybe even fourth. Against Sylvia or Couture, we'll see.

When is your next fight?
Mirko: In Manchester on April 20th. I don't know who my next opponent will be yet.

What do you think about the support shown from U.S. Croatians?
Mirko: It was really nice. The atmosphere was different; the event venue was smaller; but, it was very interesting. The fans are much louder than the crowd in Japan.

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Do you prefer PRIDE or UFC?
Mirko: Well, there are some things that are different from a promotional aspect; but, I don't want to make any comments. I'm a UFC fighter now; and, that's it. Both organizations have done a terrific job. Some things are different, like the crowd. They “boo” if the fight isn’t interesting. In Japan, they don't do that.

hahaha - sounds like he's not as happy in his new home. oh well, i'm sure all the money he's making will change his mind.

oh, i read somewhere that pride pays its fighters in cash to avoid taxes. anyone hear anything like that?

[( . Y . )]

favorite quote of the night

"I love Marvin, he's my brother, but it was time for some black on black crime" -Quinton Jackson

[urine sampler]

favorite quote of the night

"I love Marvin, he's my brother, but it was time for some black on black crime" -Quinton Jackson
I liked the right foot will put you in the hospital an the left foot will put you in the cemertary -Mirko Cro Cop

[Standby]

I liked the right foot will put you in the hospital an the left foot will put you in the cemertary -Mirko Cro Cop

Yeah that's apparently one of his things... the commentators quoted him during the OWGP. It's now one of my AIM away messages...

"Right kick hospital. Left kick cemetary."

How can you not love this guy with quotes like that...

[sniper]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/rtsniper/kneebar.gif

yeah, I was tapping my couch. Crazy fuck.

[Cromwell]

this is an interview of mirko from another mma forum:

Did you have some problems with injuries?
Mirko: A few minor injuries were troubling me, nothing too serious, but enough to distract my focus from the fight. I’ve had trouble with injuries for the past 20 days. This was one of the toughest fights for me because I had my left leg drained at Dr. Bucan's clinic just 10 days ago. We considered canceling the fight; and, even Dr. Bucan suggested I should skip the fight. It was tough for me, not because of Eddie Sanchez, but because of all those injuries. I had problems with my left ankle and both shins; plus, the big toe on my right foot was swollen. Nothing too serious, but it ruined my focus on the fight; and, I felt really bad.

Quoted for emphasis.

True champions battle through injuries. Same for Lidell.

Aparently GSP has to be "perfect" before he fights :rolleyes:

[( . Y . )]

for your entertainment, from another mma thread. Rampage always has one line zingers. Rogan and Jackson doing commentary would be comedy.

Quadros: Where do you see yourself in 2 years?
Rampage: Well, i'm 23, so in two years, I see myself at 25.

Mauro: Who's gonna win this tournament? Who's your favorite?
Quinton: After it is done, then i pick the winner.

when he was guest commentator of a Heath Herring fight, he said something like, "Damn, those shorts are small. I think I see Heath's nuts."

SQ: "You bringing that chain with you?"
QJ: "I'm fightin a man that beat four gracies, of course I'm bringin my chain."

Quadros: Do you feel slighted that you have to fight a "stronger" fighter in the Grand Prix than Wanderlei?
Jackson: Slighted!? sh*t don't use big words Im only a fighter

FAN: Rampage, did you always thought you were gonna be a fighter?
RAMPAGE: "hell no, I thought I was gonna be a porn star!"

At a press conference Rampage's Japanese interpreter is relaying this message from Page - "Rampage loves his fans" then some fan yells somthing and Page yells "SHUT THE FUCK UP"

"I'd rather fight Arona cause I don't know him and he's in the fucking video game and I'm not." -Quinton Jackson

"That Bitch ass muther fucker, knee'd me in the nuts, sissy ass mutherfucker" - Jackson on his fight with Satake

Interviewer: Quinton. What do you think Igor can do to beat you?
Quinton Jackson: I think he can knock me the fuck out! That's what I think!

"Satake is a Japanese Redneck"

"I thought I was going to be Prides only token black guy."

"When I beat wanderlei i'm a take his belt pull his pants down and spank him for bein so ugly"

"I've got a strategy, it's called whoop that ass!"

"I don't know if Silva's knee is really hurt. It wouldn't be if he didn't spend so much time on his knees. Why you on your knees man? Get off your knees!"

A:What was the fact that you come back to states to fight?
QJ:"the money, what the hell is wrong with you"

"You see Tito's head? How he lose with a head like that? All he gotta do is use his head into their chest (mimics a ram), like that. He'll win every fight." -Rampage

At the weigh-in.
Reporter: Do you like Dana White?
Rampage: Oh yeah.. I likes him.. I likes his shiny, creamy, white bald ass.. he's a fine little white man! Yesum..

Would you ever fight Tito?
"Hell no.. Id probably break my hand on his head"

TD:If you could fight any one, who would be?
QJ:John Cena. Why he stealing my chain? What’s up with that? Tell him to fight me – the looser has to stop using the chain. I know he like to Rap, tell him to wrap his mouth around some tic-tacks. Stinky ass breath.

TD:What do you think of the UFC heavyweights?
QJ:They big as hell. If Tim Sylvia wasn’t there I think I would do good. His breath might knock me out. He look like a giant gizmo from the gremlins.

and last my favorite of all time:
"Me amy good gorillia, fuck you should of never toched me fucking monkey." from a video talking about Vanderlei Silva

[mendozathejew]

Quoted for emphasis.

True champions battle through injuries. Same for Lidell.

Aparently GSP has to be "perfect" before he fights :rolleyes:

yeah but liddell complains he had injuries when he fought and lost to rampage, anytime anyone brings the fight up

and matt hughes apparently said on his website he didnt train hard enough for gsp.

they all make excuses

[d0uche_n0zzle]

yeah but liddell complains he had injuries when he fought and lost to rampage, anytime anyone brings the fight up

and matt hughes apparently said on his website he didnt train hard enough for gsp.

they all make excuses

Are they excuses, or are they explanations as to why they lost? "whaa"

[mendozathejew]

excuses

[urine sampler]

Il agree about hughes.he cried,groin shot from a leg kick but chuck hasnt needed to make an excuse in a while.

[highfive]

Are they excuses, or are they explanations as to why they lost? "whaa"
excuses.....do you really believe Matt Hughes did not train for GSP?

[mendozathejew]

99.9999% of fighters make excuses. it goes with the territory. to be able to go in a ring, and reach the level where you believe you can beat anyone, coming up with excuses for why you lost goes hand in hand with that.

[Cybouncer]

99.9999% of fighters make excuses. it goes with the territory. to be able to go in a ring, and reach the level where you believe you can beat anyone, coming up with excuses for why you lost goes hand in hand with that.


This can be said about most sports athletes.

Many highly competitive people will try to find a reason why they lost, it can't be because the other guy was better but rather, you performed poorly.

Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.:action-sm

[Cromwell]

I was wondering where this program went. Spike (where it actually belongs) took it away from MSNBC (why was it there in the first place?)

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[Larz]

Sure most of you know already but theres an MMA fight night on Showtime
10-12. Renzo Gracie vs. Frank Shamrock. Undercard has David Loiseau among others... not a great card but maybe a small step up from a typical UFC/Spike TV fight night.

[abudabit]

I'm watching it now, I think they are planning on making this a regular thing. Seems a little full of pomp but should be cool. This first guy is a former homeless gentleman, I love it. He's got the grillz.

[abudabit]

Amateur hour, I kind of like it though. A crazy bum against a kid with only 3 fights under his belt.


Gina's fucking hawt, good striker too.

[abudabit]

That was a great fight, female MMA is great since they aren't afraid to take the lighter blows. You almost never see defensive standoffs in female MMA. Hope they have more next time.

[burky79]

Warrior Nation on MSNBC right now

[burky79]

Nice sherdog plug (not that they need it), but full page, color and URL.

edit

well hell, i didnt relize it was gonna be this replay everything old and outta date.
hope theres some more later on in it.

[Larz]

Gina's fucking hawt, good striker too.


She always looks good right at weigh ins... cutting weight really works for her.

http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/40/40386.jpg

[abudabit]

Fucking redneck dummy audience. That audience was so fucking aggravating, pieces of shit should have went to a kick boxing match, not a MMA event.


And fucking Frank Shamrock, no fucking shame that the fight ended from his illegal kicks. Just own up to it and stop being a smug cry baby.

[Bodizapha]

The homeless guy is crazy horse Bennett, who allegedly only trains by playing pick-up basketball before fights. He has had some hl reel KO's but also lost to some b-level european/Asian talent.

This kid he was fighting KJ Noons or something, but it was a bad idea to stand with Bennett. KJ trains with Brandon Vera with City Boxing in Cali. He will bounce back after his loss.

Bummer to the that Crow got pushed around for three rounds, looks like he still has cobwebs after Swick and Frankling going the distance with him.

Cabbage got destroyed... big shock.

As far as the headline fight. Not a big fan of either, so i'll keep my mouth shut. I wasnt able to see any fights, i just was reading play-by-play last night. If anybody can link videos, that would be dandy.

[abudabit]

There's not much to see. Gracie kept getting Frank down so all Frank could do was brawl and stall. Frank kept looking at the ref to order a stand up. Anyways, during one of the stalls Frank realized the ref stopped ordering stand ups since he realized Frank was just manipulating the rules. So Frank started kneeing Gracie in the back of the neck. He was warned once, did it again. Gracie got a concussion.


The women's fight was the best, second was the Cabbage / Bigfoot fight. I can see Bigfoot becoming a big deal with some time.

[av8rOC]

if someone finds the krazy horse fight online let me know, didnt get to watch last night

[( . Y . )]

anyone have links that confirm the rumors about brandon vera's contract?

so far the rumors i read are 1.5 million signing bonus AND 1 mil each fight for a rumored total of 4 mill.

That's pretty much boxer salary range. i'd love it to be true actually.

[Bodizapha]

Vera still has one fight left on his contract with th UFC, last i heard.

That is why he wasn't given a title shot against Silvia. To avoid another b.j. Penn incident.

I havent heard anything about them inking a deal yet.

[Fredo Corleone]

HUGE (and very good) article on brandon vera. talks about him saying he was going to hold out for big money even before he fought mir. i know: tl, dr

http://www.sdreader.com/php/cover.php?mode=article&showpg=1&id=20070208

[Gotti420]

Vera is definitely not worth 4 mil. It looks like Dana is going to push his last fight back as far as his contract will permit.

[Bodizapha]

The offer made by the UFC to Vera woulda have roughly been a 200,000 dollar contract over three or four fights. In all honesty, Vera's best move is to leave the UFC. Heres why:


1) Out classed at HW. CroCop, Randy, Herring, and Silvia. All guys who Vera MIGHT be able to beat. Not a single one of them is a gimmi for "The Truth." The odds are most likley that even if Vera does get past Silvia, he has no chance in the ring against CroCop. Vera is a B-level striker with a lot of potential, but anybody whos knows anything can tell you he is yet to step into the ring against a legit HW striker.

2) Vera is a glorified LHW. He is going to give up weight and size to just about anybody he will fight at HW. Then, look what he has to face at LHW. Liddel, Ortiz, Sobral, Jackson, and the fleet of young UFC baby faces in Griffin, Evans, and Bisping. Both HW and LHW do not bode well for Vera.

I really like this kid, I dont think he is worth the money that EXC claims they are going to pay him. As of right now, we do not even know if EXC will be around to cash in on a three or four multi million dollar fight contact. WEC tried to up the purses on the headline fighter and he ended up in them closing up shop.

Fresh off the rumor mill is that Vera is lined up to fight Jake O'Brian for his final UFC fight. Obdviously, this is the UFC trying to establish a undefeated young fighter, fresh off an upset over Herring against Vera. Only to the send "The Truth" off into the sunset with a loss in his final fight in the UFC.

Painfully, i admit that this is the politics of buisness and of pro-fighting. When all is said and done, it is in Vera's best interest to leave the UFC and hopfully contine to establish himself against a-level talent in a-level orgs.

He goes to pride and he is dead.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Quick question, why did Frank Shamrock abandon the UFC?

[abudabit]

Quick question, why did Frank Shamrock abandon the UFC?

Cause he's an ass?


From Wikipedia:

Shamrock then relinquished his title and retired from the UFC. There have been rumors that Shamrock retired simply to leave the UFC without having been defeated for the title. After retiring, he initially acted as a consultant and commentator but fell out with the owners of the UFC and is seldom mentioned on their broadcasts. He has stated that Dana White telephoned him after his fight against Cesar Gracie to try and get him to return, but said he will not return unless he owns the company.

[Bodizapha]

I am sure money had a lot to do with it....

However, Shamrock's legacy is everything to him. He carried his undefeated record more then any pay day or any belt. If he stayed in the UFC as champ, eventually he would be beaten. Since he left he has hand picked fights that he knew he could win against sub-par fighters to keep that record in tact ala Rickson Gracie.

imho, that is the reason he allowed himself to be DQed last weekend, he knew he was on pace to loose a decesion.

The guy has a lot of issues, he is a patholigical liar. He is the adopted brother of Ken. He had serious problems with the law growing up. Blame it on trying to establish himself in the shadow of his brother, or absentee father. The only person who can explain why he is the way he is, would be Frank. Expect 25% of what he says to be truth.

[Gotti420]

The offer made by the UFC to Vera woulda have roughly been a 200,000 dollar contract over three or four fights. In all honesty, Vera's best move is to leave the UFC. Heres why:


1) Out classed at HW. CroCop, Randy, Herring, and Silvia. All guys who Vera MIGHT be able to beat. Not a single one of them is a gimmi for "The Truth." The odds are most likley that even if Vera does get past Silvia, he has no chance in the ring against CroCop. Vera is a B-level striker with a lot of potential, but anybody whos knows anything can tell you he is yet to step into the ring against a legit HW striker.

2) Vera is a glorified LHW. He is going to give up weight and size to just about anybody he will fight at HW. Then, look what he has to face at LHW. Liddel, Ortiz, Sobral, Jackson, and the fleet of young UFC baby faces in Griffin, Evans, and Bisping. Both HW and LHW do not bode well for Vera.

I really like this kid, I dont think he is worth the money that EXC claims they are going to pay him. As of right now, we do not even know if EXC will be around to cash in on a three or four multi million dollar fight contact. WEC tried to up the purses on the headline fighter and he ended up in them closing up shop.

Fresh off the rumor mill is that Vera is lined up to fight Jake O'Brian for his final UFC fight. Obdviously, this is the UFC trying to establish a undefeated young fighter, fresh off an upset over Herring against Vera. Only to the send "The Truth" off into the sunset with a loss in his final fight in the UFC.

Painfully, i admit that this is the politics of buisness and of pro-fighting. When all is said and done, it is in Vera's best interest to leave the UFC and hopfully contine to establish himself against a-level talent in a-level orgs.

He goes to pride and he is dead.


I agree with all of those points IF EXC manages to survive. If EXC goes the way of the WFA Vera is screwed. On the other hand, if Vera re-signs with the UFC he might not make as much money right away, but the UFC isn't going anywhere and if he continues winning he'll get that big contract down the line.

[Cromwell]

Just a reminder that Inside The UFC is on tonight:


It’s Champions Week on “Inside The UFC”, as Spike TV’s hit series returns this Thursday night at its regular time of midnight with interviews with the UFC’s Heavyweight champ Tim Sylvia and Light Heavyweight boss Chuck Liddell.

Host Joe Rogan will also bring fight fans into the world of the men and women who keep the athletes of the Octagon safe – the fight doctors - and catch you up to date with all the news, interviews, and features from the world of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, which can only be seen on Spike TV’s weekly news magazine “Inside The UFC”, Thursday at Midnight.

****

Here's another news item:

UFC announces event date in the UK

SATURDAY, APRIL 21, 2007 LIVE FROM MANCHESTER’S MEN ARENA

Las Vegas, NV – The Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC®) organization today announced its long-awaited return to Great Britain this spring when the world’s greatest mixed martial artists throw down at Manchester's MEN Arena Saturday, April 21.

The Manchester event will be the first UFC event in the United Kingdom since 2002.

“We are very excited to be back in the UK,” said UFC President Dana White. “We had a lot of obstacles over the last six years, but I never gave up on bringing the UFC back to the UK. Now we have our UK office up and running, we’re going to have fights in the UK and throughout Europe, so the UFC is here to stay.”

It seems Great Britain cannot wait for that to happen.

Marshall Zelaznik, the UFC’s UK President said, "There's already a huge buzz about what is going to happen at the MEN Arena on April 21. When the UK website – uk.ufc.com - was launched two weeks ago the stats went through the roof and there is great anticipation as to who will be fighting in Manchester.”

Those details - and full ticket information - will be announced in the near future. For UFC fans located in Great Britain, this is the official announcement that the UFC is coming after a half-decade of waiting.

Zelaznik added, “Our British fans have been demanding this and now, finally, the UFC returns to the UK. And this time we are here to stay.”

[Kid Brock]

I think we can safely assume Bisbing will be highlighted on that card.

[Bodizapha]

His bout will be televised, but also on that card is slated to be:

Crocop, Arlovski, Ortiz, Griffin, and Kongo. He wont get considered a headline fight, but it will get mentioned the same way they mentioned Jackson for the last ppv. They are pitting him against Elvis Sinosic, who was TUF fodder for Forrest last year. Not really a fight you can hype up as a legitiment war.

[Kid Brock]

His bout will be televised, but also on that card is slated to be:

Crocop, Arlovski, Ortiz, Griffin, and Kongo. He wont get considered a headline fight, but it will get mentioned the same way they mentioned Jackson for the last ppv. They are pitting him against Elvis Sinosic, who was TUF fodder for Forrest last year. Not really a fight you can hype up as a legitiment war.


Yeah, Elvis has heart but is usually over-matched. Crowd should pop for Bisbing though.

[Gotti420]

from MMAweekly:

UFC 70: APRIL 21, 2007 IN MANCHESTER, ENGLAND AT M.E.N. ARENA

-Mirko Cro Cop (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
-Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic
-Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin
-Alessio Sakara vs. Victor Valimaki

-Andrei Arlovski (#6 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA
-Tito Ortiz (#8 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA (possibly Forrest Griffin)
-Forrest Griffin vs. TBA (possibly Tito Ortiz)
-David Lee vs. TBA
-Cheick Kongo vs. TBA
-Abdul Mohamed vs. TBA

[Cromwell]

Why the question marks? It definitely should be the Tito v. Griffin rematch.

[Gotti420]

Why the question marks? It definitely should be the Tito v. Griffin rematch.

agreed, but either way this is shaping up to be a great card

[Bodizapha]

Personally, I don't feel the need to see a rematch.

Forrest got knocked out by Jardine...
Ortiz lost to Liddel...

When they fought, Tito squeeked out the decesion with a bum knee. What does the winner of this fight gain!? They are both UFC poster boys who will have a serious crack in their respective vein of credability.

Whomever wins will not be considered a title contender, the looser will be subject to more question about their place in the UFC. If the UFC signs this fight i think it will be a MAJOR mistake.

The only positive would be the hype for the fight, which will probably not be as impressive as the first. I compare this fight to fucking a hooker with the clap. Fun for 15 minutes, but not worth the grief it will cost you in the long run.

[av8rOC]

Agreed, DEF not a headlining fight. Dont be surprised to see another big name added to that card. My money is on Aleks (to fight AA).

[Palerider4146]

What about Hamill/Griffin. You know that Dana liked the kid, just a question if he is ready for a guy like Griffin yet. I'm not to sure he is, but it could be a good fight.

More importantly who will be Chucks next opponent. Are they grooming the Rampage/Chuck rematch first? Guys like Evans and Jardine have looked good, and have been paying there UFC debts. The better question is can anyone beat chuck before he retires. Personally I would love to see Mirko come down to 205 (only 18 pounds), that would be an insane striker vs striker match, one that Chuck would probably lose.

[Bodizapha]

Aleks has a fight coming up with Bodog, so dont expect to see him on a UFC card any time soon.

Rumors are floating that Arlovski might fight herring, which would be a good fight.

Hammil is still light years away from facing legit competition, he is all wrestling with no striking. He trains with Tito's camp, but still has a way to go.

After the last ppv, Dana was quoted as saying he wanted to give Rampage one more fight before he put him up against Chuck. I know the rumor blogs are saying that they will fight in Vegas at 72, but time will tell.

[Aizazzle]

Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar is now in talks with UFC. We are not sure on how serious the negotiating process is; however Lesnar has been training for quite some time to debut for Japan’s K-1 MMA promotion. So far no fights have been officially announced. We will certainly have more on this story as it comes available to us.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=173921077

I would order just to see this asshole get his ass kicked I really do hate this guy....

[Bodizapha]

Dana was on the radio tonight, confirming that Jackson will NOT be Chuck's next fight. He stated that Chuck was going to fight somebody outside of the UFC. Whatever the fuck that means.

[mendozathejew]

dana also said cro cop cant make 205, but chuck said hed move up to HW to fight him. he'll get punished

[Palerider4146]

I really think Cro Cop could make 205 if he really tried, but I dont know if he was ever a wrestler or not where cutting weight was like breathing. It could be real tough for someone who doesnt want to. I really think that Mirko would dismantle Chuck given the opportunity at any weight.

In regards to Dana's comment, maybe he's hinting to the Wanderlai thing again. Maybe he'll let Chuck go to Pride to fight for a one time thing, or maybe the whole UFC buying Pride thing could be realistic.

[mendozathejew]

this is a real interesting video, cro cop and fedor in their lockerrooms getting ready for their fight. definitely worth a look
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ed83k0zeuKY

[Larz]

Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar is now in talks with UFC. We are not sure on how serious the negotiating process is; however Lesnar has been training for quite some time to debut for Japan’s K-1 MMA promotion. So far no fights have been officially announced. We will certainly have more on this story as it comes available to us.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=173921077

I would order just to see this asshole get his ass kicked I really do hate this guy....

Put him up against any competent LW. I bet Sherk could send him back to Vince Mcmahon in a body bag.

[Larz]

I really think Cro Cop could make 205 if he really tried, but I dont know if he was ever a wrestler or not where cutting weight was like breathing. It could be real tough for someone who doesnt want to. I really think that Mirko would dismantle Chuck given the opportunity at any weight.


It would be fucking great to see them do a non-title prize fight at HW. Chuck at 230 would punch like a freight train, he'd still lose but that would be 1 of the all time great fights. If Dana would just get his head out of his ass and stop puting together cards with Ortiz, Shamrock, Randy etc...

[mendozathejew]

chuck should stay far away from cro cop. wait til his run at 205 ends til he even considers it

wanderlei- thats another story. I think that fight should be made, with whatever compromises dana needs to make. Chuck knocks him out if they make this fight now, and thats THE legacy builder for his career at 205.

[Chino Kapone]

i hope everyone caught ultimate fight night last night. it was one of the best fight nights ever. every fight was awesome! i havnt seen a ppv that was that good in a long time, let alone a fight on spike tv.

[Bodizapha]

Last night?
If you were reffering to the fights on spike t.v. that was the reply of when Silva fought Silvia. Some good fight on that card, but not worthy of best ever.

Not to mentoin they are from over a year ago.

[Chino Kapone]

Last night?
If you were reffering to the fights on spike t.v. that was the reply of when Silva fought Silvia. Some good fight on that card, but not worthy of best ever.

Not to mentoin they are from over a year ago.

yeah i thought it was odd that i didnt really hear much about it before hand. and then i thought it was odd that sylvia would be fighting so soon before his next ppv. anyway, my buddy told me that it was a rerun as well..... im a douche

[Gotti420]

a little update to the UFC 70 card. Griffin will be fighting Machida and Arlovski will be fighting Werdum. This is shaping up to be a great event.

[mendozathejew]

anybody ordering Prides second US show tomorrow?

[Larz]

a little update to the UFC 70 card. Griffin will be fighting Machida and Arlovski will be fighting Werdum. This is shaping up to be a great event.

Arlovski-Werdum I'm actually looking forward to this 1, but isn't Werdum helping to train Cop's ground game? If he beats Arlovski I would think that bumps him way up the contenders list and an eventual match with Cop. It looks to me like a bit of a set up for some future drama. Never thought I'd say it but the UFC HW division is coming a long.

[Bodizapha]

Indeed, im elated that they are not rematching ortiz and griffin.

But now we can all speculate on who Tito is gunna fight.

I wanna see the Pride fight, but im not gunna pay 40 bucks. I was hoping to find a bar showing it, but no luck so far.

[mendozathejew]

Never thought I'd say it but the UFC HW division is coming a long.

if they snag Big nog, youd have to feel like fedor has been left by himself and the HW division has truly moved to UFC.

[( . Y . )]

all i can say is HOLY SHIT what an event.

[mendozathejew]

all i can say is HOLY SHIT what an event.
ufc has all the juice right now, but Pride puts on amazing shows....far better for your ppv dollar

[Bodizapha]

Indeed, i didnt see the ppv, but all the reviews i read said amazing things. Don't wanna give any spoilers, but a rough day for Brazil.

[mendozathejew]

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=QA5HL3PJ gomi diaz, best fight of night

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=XBZDJ7EF shogun overeem. great ko

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=3FMEGSH4 henderson silva

[Palerider4146]

I went on youtube and watched 5 of the Pride fights. They did put on a good show, overall real good fights. I would still guess that the NSAC will have a busy week. If I remember correctly they did the last time Pride had their first USA show.

Let me know when we are ready to discuss the outcomes of the fights as to not ruiiiiinnnnnn it for the others.

[coolmeat]

iceman vs. hollywood ????????????? 2 wrestlers with heavy hands. i'd pay to watch, pride or ufc.

[coolmeat]

last nights pride blew the last couple of ufc events away. suprises, knockouts, plenty of bouts to watch. i think ufc needs to start airing all undercards live. sometimes they are the best fights. i felt i got my fourty bucks worth. in like all mma ifl,ufc,pride,elite xc,bodog, it seems like every weekend something is going on. im happy.

[( . Y . )]

in the words of darth opie "WHO SAW THIS COMING?" but then again anything can happen in mma. Nog ko, hendo winning, gomi losing. great event. i'm a total gomi fan and i haven't seen him gas like that before, although i don't know if he gassed or he couldn't close the distance and connect with diaz. and what a sweet sub from a double leg by gomi, props to diaz. Hope a rematch will happen for the title.

Love that hendo has two belts, one of my favs. now shogun vs. hendo?

mach looking good so far, i want to see a rematch with hughes.

[mendozathejew]

in the words of darth opie "WHO SAW THIS COMING?" but then again anything can happen in mma. Nog ko, hendo winning, gomi losing. great event. i'm a total gomi fan and i haven't seen him gas like that before, although i don't know if he gassed or he couldn't close the distance and connect with diaz. and what a sweet sub from a double leg by gomi, props to diaz. Hope a rematch will happen for the title.
Im a big nick diaz fan, real happy that he got this win.

but in all honesty gomi was in awful condition. he looked like he barely trained, and he was gassed 2 minutes into the fight. buster douglas was in better shape against holyfield.

but great job by diaz the kid has heart and talent, glad to finally see him get a big win. a huge win really.

[Larz]

The UFC has 3 huge problems.

1) the fixation on legacy fighters: Shamrock, Couture, Ortiz.

2) The fixation on TUF fighters that are mostly 2nd-3rd tier quality (there are a couple of exceptions)

3) overall shitty matchmaking. Chris Lytle fighting undercard you gotta be fucking kidding.


I can't understand why they fuck around so much with padding records, gimme matches, and complete nonsense (GSP-Serra UFC 69 Main Event??). They need to take a page out of Pride's book and really pit the top fighters against each other to put on a show. The only fights I can see being remotely interesting in the coming months are Swick-Okami, Sanchez-Kos. These pale in comparison though to a typical Pride card.

[( . Y . )]

I can see your view on the "ufc problems" but then again ufc is gaining more in mainstream popularity. Much more than pride. Look at the posts after the last ufc event compared to this past pride event. I'd love to see ppv numbers on all mma events.

What i want to see is the mma fighters making as much as boxers. It just brings more talent and more gooder fights.

The side shows are a good thing. Inside the ufc should be an hour long, it should not be organization based, have the show all about mma. Warrior nation is another good show.

I'm also curious to see if there will ever be a surge of interest of the stand up orgs. I'm a huge fan of k1max and i always wonder if it will ever be as popular in the states like it is in japan and europe.

[coolmeat]

fucking ufc has the talent but the will not match up the great fighters. i've never heard of cro cop's next opponent. it should be diego vs. matt, not shitty lyttle or lutter i fucking forget. what about swick vs. franklin. i know that macdonald has beaten herman and leban but he doesnt deserve franklin yet. it doesnt make a difference it you have all the talent if you dont showcase some even top notch fights.

fight wishlist:

sanchez vs. hughes
liddel vs. jackson
cro cop vs. slylvia
anderson silva vs. shogun rua
henderson vs. lidell
henderson vs. shogun rua
fedor vs. cro cop(rematch) or shitty ass sylvia(love to watch left leg kick to stupid head.)

so many , but how much $ will i have to spend.

[Palerider4146]

Well while we are at it here goes my UFC fight wish list:

Sanchez vs Hughes
Sanchez vs GSP
Chuck vs Cro Cop
Hughes vs Anderson Silva
Guillard vs Sherk
Florian vs Guillard
BJ vs any LW
BJ vs Karo or Sanchez
Franklin vs Hughes (but youll never see it)
Rampage vs Chuck (which you will see)
Bisping vs Tito
Vera vs Sylvia
Vera vs LHWs
BJ vs Serra (great JJ match)

This is my overall Pride vs UFC vs all other orgs wish list:

Chuck vs Wanderlai
Fedor vs Randy
Fedor vs Cro Cop II
Fedor vs Chuck
Big Nog vs Sylvia
Henderson vs Chuck
Henderson vs Hughes
Henderson vs Anderson
Gomi vs Sherk/Guillard (I dont think Florian would match up well)
Gomi vs BJ
Gomi vs Hughes
Overreem vs Vera
Overreem vs Chuck
Urijah vs Gomi
Urijah vs Sherk/Guillard/Florian
and I'm sure there are many more i could think of

[Bodizapha]

First off, Pride is just as guilty of booking spectacle matches as the UFC. Say no more then Bob Sapp, Giant Silva, or Akebono. I will admit, that some of the UFC matches are trivial, but in the same light ALL the UFC title belts changed hands last year, so the argument that the UFC pads their champs is bullshit.

All before last saturday Pride haters and Pride nuthuggers argued that Silva fight Henderson was a bullshit fight, and that Little Nog should have gotten his title shot rather then having somebody in a different weight class get HIS chance at a rematch. Those same people talked mad shit that Gomi would outclass Diaz AND that it was a bullshit fight becasue the belt was not on the line. Now, it just so happens that both fights were upset so that ALL gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten.

Anybody can shit talk either org all they want, but in all seriousness the next ppv, anybody who wants to hate on the matchmaking for either org make picks on who you think is gunna win. If the fights are matched soo poorly, then any hater should be able to run the board, right!?

[mendozathejew]

First off, Pride is just as guilty of booking spectacle matches as the UFC. Say no more then Bob Sapp, Giant Silva, or Akebono. I will admit, that some of the UFC matches are trivial, but in the same light ALL the UFC title belts changed hands last year, so the argument that the UFC pads their champs is bullshit.

All before last saturday Pride haters and Pride nuthuggers argued that Silva fight Henderson was a bullshit fight, and that Little Nog should have gotten his title shot rather then having somebody in a different weight class get HIS chance at a rematch. Those same people talked mad shit that Gomi would outclass Diaz AND that it was a bullshit fight becasue the belt was not on the line. Now, it just so happens that both fights were upset so that ALL gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten.


as a pride, your right on with your criticism. its ridiculous that gomi still has his title. boxing champs used to have non title fights, but they fought every couple of months. pride slides on that because of their wealth of talent, and the fact that they put on phenominal ppvs. but ufc and pride dont have the ideal competitive playing field. can we find chuck a single striker to fight in 3 years?

[Larz]

If the fights are matched soo poorly, then any hater should be able to run the board, right!?

Ok I'll play.

UFC 68
Silvia-Couture: W Sylvia

Hughes-Lytle: W Hughes

Franklin-Macdonald: W Franklin

Lambert-Sobral: W Sobral

These are the fights most will be watching, I'd be curious to see where you might disagree.

[Larz]

Well while we are at it here goes my UFC fight wish list:

Sanchez vs Hughes
Sanchez vs GSP
Chuck vs Cro Cop
Hughes vs Anderson Silva
Guillard vs Sherk
Florian vs Guillard
BJ vs any LW
BJ vs Karo or Sanchez
Franklin vs Hughes (but youll never see it)
Rampage vs Chuck (which you will see)
Bisping vs Tito
Vera vs Sylvia
Vera vs LHWs
BJ vs Serra (great JJ match)



Hello exactly.

I would add

Liddel-Vera (too bad about this 1)
Franklin-Swick
Franklin-Rampage (Franklin at 205)
GSP-Silva (GSP at 185)

Pride vs UFC... I wouldn't know where to start. Probably Shogun-Liddell would be my #1, of course fedor-cop 2 runnerup.

[( . Y . )]

How about an OWGP (open weight grand prix)?? i haven't seen that in the ufc for a long time. i've always wanted to see a champion grand prix, have all the reigning champs thrown in a tourney against each other. Winner takes home 1 mill and an open weight champ belt.

[Kid Brock]

Went to the Pride event here on Saturday and it was hands down the best event I have seen live and I have been to a bunch of them. Very happy Pride is holding events in the US.

[( . Y . )]

was there any pre fight meet and greet with the fighters? i haven't gone to any of the pride us shows but went to one in japan. the crowd is pretty reserved and i was asked politely to sit down cause i was blocking other people's view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAFls85pf4

[Kid Brock]

was there any pre fight meet and greet with the fighters? i haven't gone to any of the pride us shows but went to one in japan. the crowd is pretty reserved and i was asked politely to sit down cause i was blocking other people's view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAFls85pf4


Not sure about any meet and greets on the day of, but the weigh in was open to the public on Friday @ Caesar's and the fighters were accessible then. So was Herschel Walker for some reason. :icon_conf

[Cybouncer]

How about an OWGP (open weight grand prix)?? i haven't seen that in the ufc for a long time. i've always wanted to see a champion grand prix, have all the reigning champs thrown in a tourney against each other. Winner takes home 1 mill and an open weight champ belt.


I miss the days of those.

Remember Grace vs. Kimo? 180lbs vs 280lbs.

Fucking great!

[Fredo Corleone]

3) overall shitty matchmaking. Chris Lytle fighting undercard you gotta be fucking kidding.


yeah, because pride has better matchmaking than UFC. please, give us more zuluzhino and giant silva.


I can't understand why they fuck around so much with padding records, gimme matches

kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.

anyway, seeing silva get ko'd two times in two fights reinforces my belief in God. i scared the crap out of my girlfriend again when he went down. anyone notice how much smaller and less defined he looked? also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....

[Fredo Corleone]

yeah, because pride has better matchmaking than UFC. please, give us more zuluzhino and giant silva.



kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.

anyway, seeing silva get ko'd two times in two fights reinforces my belief in God. i scared the crap out of my girlfriend again when he went down. anyone notice how much smaller and less defined he looked? also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....

god damn it...there are two "g"s in "aggressive", aren't there? SHIT!

[mendozathejew]

also, his noticable lack of his trade mark agression? he fights in vegas, looks smaller and less cut, and isn't anywhere near as agressive as usually....hmmmmm wonder why that would be.....
really, everyone else said just about the exact opposite, that he looked to big and slow moving down from HW.

its a real possibility that hes a shot fighter from the beating cro cop gave him. being hit in the torso and skull that hard can affect your nervous system, and slow you down. happens to boxers all the time.

also it came out that silva was hospitalized a day before the fight for the flu, but silva wouldnt use that as an excuse. personally I think hes shot

but I was glad to hear him say on sherdog that he thinks its shoguns time to fight for the belt, not an immediate 3rd fight with henderson

[Larz]

kind of like vanderlei silva's entire record? silva had the belt for 5 years and 11 months. in that time, he defended it only 5 times, including this weekend.



Title fights aren't the be all and end all of MMA. Silva fought in GP events as well over that time, he's taken on hunt and fucking Mirko. Its still conisidered a L in the column.

If you're a fan of title defenses can you honestly say you're looking forward to Sylvia-Couture? What the hell is Couture gonna do to that freak that Monson couldn't? How about GSP-Serra?

[Bodizapha]

Ok I'll play.

UFC 68
Silvia-Couture: W Sylvia

Hughes-Lytle: W Hughes

Franklin-Macdonald: W Franklin

Lambert-Sobral: W Sobral

These are the fights most will be watching, I'd be curious to see where you might disagree.

Im pulling for Randy, but agree that Tim will probably pull it out.

I think Lambert will beat Sobral.

I agree on the other two.

But my point about matchmaking has to include the undercards, 75% of the time those are the most explosive matches.

Also on an interesting note...

Medical Suspensions Stemming from Pride 33:

-Nick Diaz has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to an injured and possibly broken orbital bone (the orbital bone is the bone that surrounds the eye socket). If Diaz is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 26th.

-Dan Henderson has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to a broken second metacarpal in his right hand. If Henderson is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 11th.

-Mac Danzig has been medically suspended for six months (until August 24th) due to an injured and possibly broken left thumb. If Danzig is medically cleared before then, his minimum suspension would still last through April 11th.

-Takanori Gomi has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

-Wanderlei Silva has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Alistair Overeem has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his KO loss.

-Jason Ireland has been medically suspended for six weeks (until April 11th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

-Travis Wiuff has been medically suspended for four weeks (until March 27th) due to damage sustained in his submission loss.

[Larz]

I think Lambert will beat Sobral.

But my point about matchmaking has to include the undercards, 75% of the time those are the most explosive matches.


Lambert got worked badly by Rashad Evans. Rashad seems to be improving but Sobral is a true vet with skills, I just don't see how Lambert pulls it out. I will say of the 4 'main' fights this is the least mismatched (still not sayin much).

Theres 4 fights for sure that will be aired out of like 9. So we'll get maybe 1-2 more and the rest will be dark. I agree with you that these fights are usually more unpredictable, but then they go and do shit like make Machida-Hoger a dark match in 67.

My bitching about UFC matchmaking is mainly because I can't justify buying the PPV based on simply seeing Hughes or Franklin tuneups, or couture making his HW comeback. I want to support what the UFC is doing in MMA but after $126/month for cable +2 XM subs etc well you get the picture. Just gimme some fucking battles and I'm in. UFC 69 is a better card, but that one seems to be more of a TUF showcase. I think 8/9 fights have at least one TUF contestant.

[Fredo Corleone]

Title fights aren't the be all and end all of MMA. Silva fought in GP events as well over that time, he's taken on hunt and fucking Mirko. Its still conisidered a L in the column.

If you're a fan of title defenses can you honestly say you're looking forward to Sylvia-Couture? What the hell is Couture gonna do to that freak that Monson couldn't? How about GSP-Serra?

no, they're not the end all be all in mma, but silva has built up his record and his legacy fighting undersized and sometimes under talented fighters in pride. in the ufc, the champs almost never get an easy fight. when has matt hughes ever had a gimme fight? never. liddell's easiest fights were against jeremy horn and vernon white, both guys who can atleast fight. are you comparing matt serra or randy couture to tamura, otsuka, oyama, and minowa? it's not like vanderlei cleaned out the division and they had no one for him to fight. it took him years to fight arona (and he got a bullshit decision in the 2nd fight), he never fought overeem, he never fought little nog. pride refrused to put him in the ring with liddell or couture, and you know dana white would have made that fight happen. i can't think of a fighter out there who has had more easy fights as champion than silva.

[Fredo Corleone]

really, everyone else said just about the exact opposite, that he looked to big and slow moving down from HW.

its a real possibility that hes a shot fighter from the beating cro cop gave him. being hit in the torso and skull that hard can affect your nervous system, and slow you down. happens to boxers all the time.

also it came out that silva was hospitalized a day before the fight for the flu, but silva wouldnt use that as an excuse. personally I think hes shot

but I was glad to hear him say on sherdog that he thinks its shoguns time to fight for the belt, not an immediate 3rd fight with henderson

i dunno - he looked smaller to me. i think his aggressiveness was gone because he couldn't juice his balls off. i guess we'll see when he goes back to japan for his next fight.

[Larz]

silva has built up his record and his legacy fighting undersized and sometimes under talented fighters in pride.

Your avatar says otherwise. heh

I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?

I'm just disappointed with the UFC 68 card, UFC 69 is better overall but the main event is a complete waste. Joe Silva could have put together much better cards. If there was no one for Sylvia to fight then fuck it, keep him on ice and make it Franklin-Swick + Hughes-Sanchez dual main event. They're really making good moves in the fighter acquisition department, theres no reason to be so timid with the matchmaking.

[mendozathejew]

Your avatar says otherwise. heh

I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?

dana said yersterday "nobody knows who the hell shogun is." by no one, I assume he means the dummies that show up for ufc shows, and boo after 6 seconds of inaction.

[Larz]

dana said yersterday "nobody knows who the hell shogun is."

And there you have it. Its the general attitude that Matchmaking in the UFC has become secondary to having 'Names' on the card that people recognize. Hence you get Franklin, Hughes, And couture in pointless fights, then UFC 69 as a TUF showcase. Its a sad trend, I wonder if maybe they're having some buyer's remorse about Anderson Silva smashing Ace's face in.

[Fredo Corleone]

Your avatar says otherwise. heh


if you consider having your head kicked off your shoulders as building up a record, then, yeah. most people consider building up a record as amassing wins, not losses.


I dunno, you have a thing about Silva's title defenses, It's history anyways. Shogun is the man. Shogun-Iceman is the fight I'd most like to see. Would Dana make that 1 happen?


why would dana white book a fight between his champion and a pride non-champion? what is to gain for the UFC? liddell beats shogun, big deal - he didn't beat pride's champion. shogun beats liddell, he just lost to a guy who isn't even pride's champion. if shogun wins the belt, dana white would gladly put together that fight. it's pride who ALWAYS fucks the UFC over when it comes to exchanging talent. they were supposed to send over sakuraba and fujita years ago, but always bail out.

[Fredo Corleone]

And there you have it. Its the general attitude that Matchmaking in the UFC has become secondary to having 'Names' on the card that people recognize. Hence you get Franklin, Hughes, And couture in pointless fights, then UFC 69 as a TUF showcase. Its a sad trend, I wonder if maybe they're having some buyer's remorse about Anderson Silva smashing Ace's face in.

pride lucked out with this last card. honestly - what is so great about the pride match making for 33?

gomi vs a virtual ufc cast away - fight turned out to be a barnburner, but that was pure luck - on paper, this fight is nothing great.

lil nog vs a complete nobody - there was a point to this fight? why wasn't lil nog thrown in with silva?

kharitonov vs another complete nobody - again, what was the point of this fight? why not a rematch with overeem or big nog?

shogun vs overeem - why does this rematch need to happen? wasn't the first one decisive enough?

henderson vs. silva - why are they putting their 185 champ against their 205 champ? yes, it ended up being an awesome fight, and i got to see silva put to sleep again, but what's the point of this fight? silva still needs to have a rubber match with arona, never fought overeem, and really should have fought lil nog. if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.

i know pride was aiming to get an american in every bout, so they were apparently aiming for that over good match making, but that's more acceptible than going for big names, right?

and for the record, i don't give a shit about match making in either org. for example, i think the best fight of 2007 so far was edgar vs. griffin on the last ufc card. that fight was supposed to be a blowout for griffin and ended up being amazing. the pride card was the same way. it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.

[Larz]

if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.
QUOTE]

I hope I get a pass for quoting myself...


[QUOTE=Larz]

I would add

Liddel-Vera (too bad about this 1)
Franklin-Swick
Franklin-Rampage (Franklin at 205)
GSP-Silva (GSP at 185)




Despite the nuthugger comment I'm not getting into a flamewar. Both orgs have their pluses and minuses and neither have my total allegiance. However, I will stand by comment that UFC 68 is a joke.


If you can be entertained by watching a 43 year old Couture get put out to pasture for the 2nd time, or hughes GnP a tuf fighter thats lost 3 straight, or Franklin KO a guy that couldn't stand with Leben, or a guy that got KOed by Rashad evans Fighting a top 10 LHW in Sobral, then more power to you.


I'll take a card with Silva-Henderson, Rua-Overeem over that shit any day.

[Fredo Corleone]

[QUOTE=Fredo Corleone] if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.
QUOTE]

I hope I get a pass for quoting myself...






Despite the nuthugger comment I'm not getting into a flamewar. Both orgs have their pluses and minuses and neither have my total allegiance. However, I will stand by comment that UFC 68 is a joke.


If you can be entertained by watching a 43 year old Couture get put out to pasture for the 2nd time, or hughes GnP a tuf fighter thats lost 3 straight, or Franklin KO a guy that couldn't stand with Leben, or a guy that got KOed by Rashad evans Fighting a top 10 LHW in Sobral, then more power to you.


I'll take a card with Silva-Henderson, Rua-Overeem over that shit any day.

you haven't even seen the fights yet and you're already saying they suck. granted, this card is not the ufc's strongest by any stretch, but to say that the pride one was much better on paper is just wrong. why would you take rua-overeem over any fight? who didn't know that overeem would come out strong for the first minute or two and then get ko'd? their first fight was like that, and so are all of overeem's fights. on paper, that pride card did not have one match huge match up.


anyway, i've found that it's often the case with the ufc where the cards that seem like they're going to be great end up sucking, and then ones that look subpar on paper end up being the best. at the very least ufc's matches are always competitive on paper, which certainly cannot be said about pride.

[Larz]

ooof... sorry for the bad quotes. I'm running an engineering program on my comp that locks it up and had to keep using the back button to post. Anyways enjoy the fights, and if Macdonald sticks a gogoplata on Franklin i'll owe you a beer.

[Fredo Corleone]

ooof... sorry for the bad quotes. I'm running an engineering program on my comp that locks it up and had to keep using the back button to post. Anyways enjoy the fights, and if Macdonald sticks a gogoplata on Franklin i'll owe you a beer.


fair enough - what do i get if couture ko's big tim?

[Larz]

fair enough - what do i get if couture ko's big tim?

I'm a Randy fan so i'd just rather see him lose to Sylvia than have his brains scrambled by Mirko.

[mendozathejew]

pride lucked out with this last card. honestly - what is so great about the pride match making for 33?

gomi vs a virtual ufc cast away - fight turned out to be a barnburner, but that was pure luck - on paper, this fight is nothing great.

lil nog vs a complete nobody - there was a point to this fight? why wasn't lil nog thrown in with silva?

kharitonov vs another complete nobody - again, what was the point of this fight? why not a rematch with overeem or big nog?

shogun vs overeem - why does this rematch need to happen? wasn't the first one decisive enough?

henderson vs. silva - why are they putting their 185 champ against their 205 champ? yes, it ended up being an awesome fight, and i got to see silva put to sleep again, but what's the point of this fight? silva still needs to have a rubber match with arona, never fought overeem, and really should have fought lil nog. if the ufc put gsp in the with a. silva, you'd be going on and on about the terrible ufc match making.

i know pride was aiming to get an american in every bout, so they were apparently aiming for that over good match making, but that's more acceptible than going for big names, right?

and for the record, i don't give a shit about match making in either org. for example, i think the best fight of 2007 so far was edgar vs. griffin on the last ufc card. that fight was supposed to be a blowout for griffin and ended up being amazing. the pride card was the same way. it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.


dude you are seriously biased. and nick diaz is at the perfect weight at 160. 10 pounds at that range of weight is a HUGE difference.

it was a phenominal card. anyone who watched has said so. including boxing fans I know, who desperately wanted to hate it.

it just pisses me off when pride nut huggers go on and on about how much better pride is at everything, which just isn't the case, it's just plain bias.

but we are seriously gona kill this mma thread with the ufc vs pride argument. lets give it up, coming to this thread pissed off because over pride fans or ufc fans is really not fun for anyone

[Fredo Corleone]

dude you are seriously biased. and nick diaz is at the perfect weight at 160. 10 pounds at that range of weight is a HUGE difference.



so by that logic, nakumara should cut weight, go to the ufc, and immediately get thrown in with anderson silva? would that fight make any sense? it probably makes more sense than the diaz-gomi match up.


it was a phenominal card. anyone who watched has said so. including boxing fans I know, who desperately wanted to hate it.



i'm not talking about how the fights played out, i was talking how the match making looked on paper. you missed my point.




but we are seriously gona kill this mma thread with the ufc vs pride argument. lets give it up, coming to this thread pissed off because over pride fans or ufc fans is really not fun for anyone

you two started ragging on ufc's match making while tauting pride's, i'm just defending ufc.

[mendozathejew]

so by that logic, nakumara should cut weight, go to the ufc, and immediately get thrown in with anderson silva? would that fight make any sense? it probably makes more sense than the diaz-gomi match up.

i'm not talking about how the fights played out, i was talking how the match making looked on paper. you missed my point.

you two started ragging on ufc's match making while tauting pride's, i'm just defending ufc.


not really bro, last page I said (before silva hendo2) that liddell would knock wanderlei out. i think I automatically lose my pride fanboy card right there.

Pride PPVs blow away any other fight shows, including boxing at its best from the 90s. thats all I said. it shouldt injure your ufc self esteem

as for diaz, 160 is his perfect weight. just about every fighter has an ideal weight, at each stage of their career. and its obvious cutting those ten pounds was not only beneficial to diaz, it was easy. he didnt lose any speed or power in his stand up, didnt lose any of his strength on the ground.

most fighters cant cut 10 pounds without some repercussions in their physical abilities. thats now clearly not true for diaz. and ten pounds is a world of difference. 160 is a more natural weight for diaz to fight at.

[Fredo Corleone]

not really bro, last page I said (before silva hendo2) that liddell would knock wanderlei out. i think I automatically lose my pride fanboy card right there.


na, that's just common sense. :icon_mrgr

Pride PPVs blow away any other fight shows, including boxing at its best from the 90s. thats all I said. it shouldt injure your ufc self esteem


ufc self esteem? not only does that not make any sense, you're STILL missing the point. pride's match making is an absolute JOKE at times (giant silva, anyone? dos caros vs cro cop? would you ever see anything so ridiculous in the ufc?). you keep bringing up things i'm not even talking about.

pride ppv's blow away any other fight show in what sense? production quality? excitement? that's all subjective. one thing is for sure, it's not ppv buys. the ufc just beat WWE AND boxing in US ppv buys.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3520&zoneid=13

either way, i like pride and UFC - i usually buy the ufc ppv because my friends are MMA n00bs and like that because of TUF show, but i download every pride hours after it happens. i just get sick of listening to people go on and on about how much better pride is, when i don't think that's the case. sometimes pride is better, sometimes ufc is better.

as for diaz, 160 is his perfect weight. just about every fighter has an ideal weight, at each stage of their career. and its obvious cutting those ten pounds was not only beneficial to diaz, it was easy. he didnt lose any speed or power in his stand up, didnt lose any of his strength on the ground.

most fighters cant cut 10 pounds without some repercussions in their physical abilities. thats now clearly not true for diaz. and ten pounds is a world of difference. 160 is a more natural weight for diaz to fight at.

i'm not talking about nick's size and how it is better or worse for him. i'm talking about the logic behind throwing a guy into a fight with the champion just because of his nationality. diaz was never even a contender in the ufc - to have him go into a fight with pride's champ makes no sense. weight has nothing to do with it. champs should fight the number one contenders. in the UFC that is almost ALWAYS the case. in pride, it very rarely is.

[Cromwell]

We need a Nick Diaz - Joe Riggs rematch.

Both in the Octagon and back at the hospital!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_02.jpg

[Fredo Corleone]

We need a Nick Diaz - Joe Riggs rematch.

Both in the Octagon and back at the hospital!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_01.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/Johnton/UFC_68_BLAST_02.jpg

i still can't believe nick diaz lost that much. i guess the size difference was too much with some of the 170lbs monsters. hughes told one of my friends back at like ufc 34 or 36 or something like that that he was coming into the fight at over 190lbs.

[mendozathejew]

I dont disagree with prides occasional freak shows and non title matches for champions. its stupid.

the fedor vs patrice oneal fight was fine, cause there was literally no one for fedor to fight after beating cro cop, and he needed to have his hand finally operated on properly.

gomi shouldnt be champion. maybe then he'll actually be ready to fight beyond 3 minutes into round 1.

overal I think pride has a better 205 division. but they have almost done nothing with it. its the same as liddell facing grappler after grappler since he got knocked out by rampage.

the sport grew so quick so fast, some of this hasnt worked itself out yet.

[( . Y . )]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.

[mendozathejew]

ass much as matt hughes is a great fighter, there something prissy about the guy when he goes off on another fighter. he talks about other fighters with a kunty attitude

[MilitantRabbit]

Anyone know some good MMA websites?

[Fredo Corleone]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.

i'm not surprised - hughes is a hard core christian (even though he seems kind of angry and hateful sometimes but he's a jock) and rogan is definitely into and very vocal about things that would conflict with hughes's beliefs.

anyway, hughes has been one of my favorite fighters for years, so i hope he can get back to the top of his game and cave GSPs head in.

[( . Y . )]

here are some general mma sites, you can find most of the info here.

www.sherdog.com
www.mma.tv
www.mmaweekly.com
news.adcombat.com
www.subfighter.com

this site has some old school highlights
http://static.hugi.is/martial_arts/movies/

if you ware into muay thai you'll like this site
http://www.mikemiles.com/videoclipsk.html

other fun sites
http://www.fightcollection.com/files.php?cat=10
http://www.geocities.com/fightraining/

[Fredo Corleone]

here are some general mma sites, you can find most of the info here.

www.sherdog.com
www.mma.tv
www.mmaweekly.com
news.adcombat.com
www.subfighter.com

this site has some old school highlights
http://static.hugi.is/martial_arts/movies/

if you ware into muay thai you'll like this site
http://www.mikemiles.com/videoclipsk.html

other fun sites
http://www.fightcollection.com/files.php?cat=10
http://www.geocities.com/fightraining/

do you have the same SN on sherdog?

[Bodizapha]

I use this same sn on sherdog, those forums get so many hits its hard to keep track of all the people.

[locallounge]

Chuck Liddell wasted & Falling asleep on Live TV:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=125084

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow. :icon_eek:

Hope he's not punch drunk.

[Kid Brock]

Chuck Liddell wasted & Falling asleep on Live TV:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=125084



Haha. I saw that yesterday. It would make a good montage with the clips of him all coked up in the stands of the Ortiz fight.

[highway23]

just ordered...

can't wait

[Larz]

Wow. :icon_eek:

Hope he's not punch drunk.

Just drunken exhaustion from the partying around the Pride event I bet. He's got to get in as much as possible before starting a new training cycle.

[locallounge]

Just drunken exhaustion from the partying around the Pride event I bet. He's got to get in as much as possible before starting a new training cycle.

What Pride event? The interview was done Thursday in Dallas, TX while he was in town to promote a movie...which he isn't even in.

[burky79]

at the begining of the interview after hughes won, the first thing joe said was "im here with the champ..., oh excuse me... former champion" and he gave a great look as to say hahhahaha in hughes face. wheather or not it was intentional, it was funny. and being joe, i would guess it was intentional. either way, joe rules... funny dude.

[Palerider4146]

Haha. I saw that yesterday. It would make a good montage with the clips of him all coked up in the stands of the Ortiz fight.

I got douche chills watching that. I personally dont think he's punch drunk, he hasnt taken a hard punch in at least 4 matches. Unfortunately I think it may have been chemical induced if you get my drift. He looked like many a heroine overdose patient that I have treated in the past. Interviews like that are never good for advancing the sport.

[Palerider4146]

So I happened to find this on youtube, I thought it was going to be a complete spoof, but it looks as if Kevin "king of queens" James actually has a little bit of MMA skills. I dont expect him in the octagon anytime soon, but it turns out he is more than just a fan. Check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9qOsm8DTYeI

[burky79]

So I happened to find this on youtube, I thought it was going to be a complete spoof, but it looks as if Kevin "king of queens" James actually has a little bit of MMA skills. I dont expect him in the octagon anytime soon, but it turns out he is more than just a fan. Check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9qOsm8DTYeI

thats funny. i like the end quote...

DR : looks like we have a little seperation (refering to a shoulder i assume)
James : i do?

funny stuff.

but hey, cant knock him, most people are just couch fans and have no in ring experience or atheticism before commenting, so he can go in the gym for sparring anytime with my respect.

good find

[burky79]

WOW! wow! WOW! randy won!

[Palerider4146]

wow friggin wow, when can we officially talk about it, I'm not smaattt enough to do that little spoiler thing.

[Cromwell]

WOW! wow! WOW! randy won!
Amazing!

[mendozathejew]

tim was underrated by many, but then overrated by many. the take down defense, the standup skills- sylvia would get destroyed by cro cop and in sylvias words that '"little shit" fedor

[mendozathejew]

what do you guys think they will do with couture next? the guy was already a legend. do they put him in with cro cop right away? cro cop arguably has the best takedown defense in the game, but maybe randy finds a way. it would do big money if they make it next.

[Fredo Corleone]

what do you guys think they will do with couture next? the guy was already a legend. do they put him in with cro cop right away? cro cop arguably has the best takedown defense in the game, but maybe randy finds a way. it would do big money if they make it next.


i dunno, but i don't think i want to see randy fight cro cop. it would be a tough thing to watch him get knocked out again. then again, if anyone can take down crocop, it's randy. most guys get stuffed on CC shooting in from outside - randy is an expert at getting his opponents feet moving and knocking them off balance from there or using upper body lock takedowns. cro cop seems to push off alot on guys at their chests and keeping his hips back, but i don't know if he could stop randy from clinching and taking down like that. the one thing is, randy looked tired as hell by the third round and tim still couldn't finish. he can't get tired and drop his arms vs cc, because then it's over. the one thing is that crocop loses heart the longer a fight goes (like against hunt). i dunno- it would be awesome to see him beat mirko, but i'd also be scared to see him get hurt.

[mendozathejew]

I feel the exact same way, with reservations about seeing couture possibly take a frightful beating. but at the same time, its a classic matchup- could be the standard bearer of striker vs grappler. two of the best ever in their respective style.

and randy will make a fucking fortune off it. part of the reason he came back, besides his confidence in beating sylvia, was that he left just before the money got real good. he deserves the payday

[Bodizapha]

Gunna toot my own horn for picking the winner of the Sobral-Lambert fight.

I went 7-2 on predictions for this one. The two prelim cards fucked me, thats what i get for guessing rather then really researching the fight.

So impressed by Lambert, i had read that he had totally revamped his boxing game, and it really paid off. You saw a lot of the same head movment from him that you did from Randy in his fight.

The Kampmann-McFedries fight was one of the SICKEST arm triangles i've seen in a while.

Now is where i shamlessly plug my myspace if anybody wants to look at my predictions. http://www.myspace.com/blackeyerish (gunna need to add you as friend before you can see it) My winner predictions were good, but my picks on how the fights would end were WAYY off on a couple.

[Cybouncer]

here's an interesting radio interview with matt hughes. the hosts bring up joe rogan's name and hughes says he doesn't like him.

http://buckethead.wjrr.com/timages/page/media/Matt_Hughes.wma

it's around the 6 min 40 sec mark, if you want to skip ahead.

I was never a matt hughes fan, i always though carlos newton won the first match.


What a bunch of scumbags those radio hosts were too. Here they are kissing Rogan's ass at first, then when they find out Matt didn't like him, they start trashing him.

I haven't listened to regular radio in so long, I almost forgot what over the top radio voice sounded like... BLEEEECH!

[highway23]

i was hoping to see all the under cards last night...

on the website there was supposed to be 9 fights...

bastards

[av8rOC]

currently living in a hotel for training and had a big test this morning so no way to go watch UFC last night.

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!

Congrats Randy!!!!!!

[Cybouncer]

The thing is that Randy is such a cerebral fighter. He is one of the best when it comes to knowing his opponent and does a fantastic job at predicting the next move(s). I think of all the fighters in the UFC, Randy is their best bet at beating Mirko.

[Larz]

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!


Check a torrent site, I'm sure its up on torrentspy. Luckily my neighbor taped it and I got to watch without spoilers. Un-fucking-real. Randy has the heart of a lion. Hopefully Mirko doesn't rip it out of his chest and eat it.

[Palerider4146]

Av, actually I just did a aol search for "randy couture" and checked the videos section and was able to find all but the 4th round just on there.

http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/7fba8ded85835bba39c3662c307936fc

try that link. If you do the search, make sure to sort by "most recent"

[av8rOC]

thanks guys, its up on youtube right now.

such a great fight, I have been waiting so long to see Silvia get tooled on. the fact that Randy did it just puts it over the top.

his boxing was better than anything I have seen in MMA before, he looked like a pro boxer. maybe he just exposed how weak the division is I dunno.

great fight though.

[Palerider4146]

thanks guys, its up on youtube right now.

such a great fight, I have been waiting so long to see Silvia get tooled on. the fact that Randy did it just puts it over the top.

his boxing was better than anything I have seen in MMA before, he looked like a pro boxer. maybe he just exposed how weak the division is I dunno.

great fight though.

I dont know if I would say the best boxing in MMA, because there have been some great boxers both in the past and currently, but it was by far and away the best Randy's standup has ever looked. He did a great job preparing for this fight.

I dont think he exposed the division, Sylvia is a very competent fighter and former champ, he just got out fought badly.

[urine sampler]

randy did his homework wont be suprised if he figures out Cro cop

[MikeyP]

currently living in a hotel for training and had a big test this morning so no way to go watch UFC last night.

getting harder and harder to find the fights online, if anyone finds them please let me know!

Congrats Randy!!!!!!

It's all about Usenet/Newsgroups my friend. Alt.binaries.mma is the place to be.

[MikeyP]

and randy will make a fucking fortune off it. part of the reason he came back, besides his confidence in beating sylvia, was that he left just before the money got real good. he deserves the payday


Amen my brutha..

[jules]

congrats to randy. as other people have said, i was really nervous for him after the last two liddel fights.this looked alot more like the old randy, and i couldnt be happier. imo sylvia was kind of a fraud, and i think the fact that he couldnt finish munson in the last fight was proof.
either way i think cro cop would have destroyed him.i give randy a pretty good shot against cro cop because randy maybe one of the smartest fighters out there.
i think it will be a good fight.

[Fredo Corleone]

apparently, a chance to fight crocop was one of the reasons randy came out of retirement. maybe he sees a hole in his armor like he did with big tim. how great would that be if randy turned mirko into a bloody mess like he did to belfort in their 3rd fight?

[mendozathejew]

its kinda like bernard hopkins moving up 15 pounds and winning the lt hw title last year. gaining weight naturally at an old age puts some life back in old legs

[novalia]

gj to the mods for keeping the spoilers unspoiled.. i forgot about this event and came around earlier.. i just got a chance to watch the fights tonight and boy was a happy i didnt know the results beforehand.

thumbs up

[mendozathejew]

apparently, a chance to fight crocop was one of the reasons randy came out of retirement. maybe he sees a hole in his armor like he did with big tim. how great would that be if randy turned mirko into a bloody mess like he did to belfort in their 3rd fight?

if they can get cro cop high profile enough in a short amount of time, this fight has the chance of being huge. maybe break records for ppv buys. the matchup is really as intriguing as it gets. cro cop would probably only be a slight favorite

[( . Y . )]

yes they should use randy to promote the hell out of the ufc. He is the perfect ambassador to present it to the masses. captain america should be on shitload of radio and tv shows and represent mma, and also have rampage preach to the brothas.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k128/nevaeh_012/captaincouture.jpg

Then of course promote the hell out of the showdown with the evil russian!!!

"I must Break you"
"If he dies, He dies" - crocop

[Cromwell]

That's a great picture, (.Y.) - did you do that?

Or did you find it somewhere.

Is Randy v. Crocop already confirmed as the next fight?

[Fredo Corleone]

if they can get cro cop high profile enough in a short amount of time, this fight has the chance of being huge. maybe break records f