Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Cromwell]

You're talking finals, not semi's, yes? If so, I'll take that bet.
No offense Rance, just sounds like a fun bet... not a sure one.
You're on, sucka :icon_mrgr

Joe to go all he way. :icon_cool

[Larz]

Supposedly it's a $30,000 bonus for "of the night"s.
$30K for "KO of the night"
$30K for "Submission of the night"

and $30K to each fighter in "Fight of the night"


Nice incentives since most of the fighters actually make less than those bonuses. They should announce who got what at the end of each fight night sort of like MVP awards.

[StonerJack]

I would assume Joe was the recipient of a UFC bonus

[abudabit]

Mixed martial athletes gear up for documentary
Monday April 30 11:03 PM ET

The bone-crunching sport of mixed martial arts is coming to the big screen.

The feature, now in production, will follow six to eight top athletes from the EliteXC league, which has appeared on Showtime, in pay-per-view events and live via streaming on ProElite.com. ProElite is producing with Bombo Sports & Entertainment.

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques. MMA is still controversial, and events have been approved in fewer than half of U.S states.

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Among the EliteXC athletes who will be profiled in the documentary is Gina Carano, a successful fighter who recently transitioned from Muay Thai fighting to MMA and was a big hit on the Showtime card in February.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.

[MikeyP]

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques.

What's up with this statement? Looks like some reporter somewhere didn't get his facts straight.

[Larz]

What's up with this statement? Looks like some reporter somewhere didn't get his facts straight.

My gf calls MMA "ultimate fighting" too. I guess its a testament to Dana White's marketing skills. Tae Kwan Do as 1 of the main disciplines was also good for a chuckle.

[mendozathejew]

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.

how could u not
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/carano4xs0.gif

[Cromwell]

My gf calls MMA "ultimate fighting" too. I guess its a testament to Dana White's marketing skills.


True that. :icon_wink



Tae Kwan Do as 1 of the main disciplines was also good for a chuckle.


Ha, ha. Yeah.

There's a lot of "graceful gentle throws" going on. :rolleyes:

FYI - it was fun watching the Tito Ortiz - Forrest Griffin battle again (on Unleashed last night). I still say Griffin took that match.

[Larz]

Been a while since I watched that fight but I sorta remember Forest looking pretty beat up afterwards.

[mendozathejew]

Been a while since I watched that fight but I sorta remember Forest looking pretty beat up afterwards.
it was almost 3 minutes into the second round til griffen landed anything. tito landed jabs and straights. imo it just looked like forrest was doing well in contrast to the first round stomping

[Larz]

Tito's general performance was underwhelming to say the least. He's one of those fighters that doesn't seem to really evolve. I think he's gonna have have problems with Rashad Evans.

[Fredo Corleone]

FYI - it was fun watching the Tito Ortiz - Forrest Griffin battle again (on Unleashed last night). I still say Griffin took that match.

rewatch it with the sound turned down. tito easily won that fight - it was only because of bonnar's retarded commentary that people thought forrest deserved the win.




Tito's general performance was underwhelming to say the least. He's one of those fighters that doesn't seem to really evolve. I think he's gonna have have problems with Rashad Evans.

tito's main problem know is that his body is pretty much shot - especially his knees. you can't wrestle with shit knees.

[Cromwell]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

[Rev]

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.Why do I get the feeling she does too? ::rimshot::
Now THAT'S something I'd order Showtime for. ::rimshot::

Don't forget to tip your waitress. :icon_lol:

[Standby]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

ESPN still has yet to be won over. I nearly foot jabbed a hole in my TV last night (that exaggeration's relevant!) when i was watching PTI, a show I really like, and hear them talking about De La Hoya/Mayweather and comparing it to the popularity of the UFC, while referring to it as "barbaric" and "bare-knuckled" and a bunch of inaccuracies.

Really, there's no convincing some people that it is not only one of the safest, but disciplined and sportsmanlike sports in the world.

[Fredo Corleone]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

awesome article. hopefully mayweather's next fight will be against bj penn in the octagon - imagine that!

i can't wait for rampage vs. chuck II. rampage has been my favorite since he destroyed igor and randleman. liddell has definitely improved since their first fight, supposedly had a serious injury going into that fight, and wasn't training with his usual camp. that fight was the last time rampage looked really impressive. at the same time, rampage is a tough match up for liddell, because he's got a granite jaw, good wrestling, hits hard, good cardio and is freak strong. i'm really pulling for rampage, but have a bad feeling liddell will take it. the longer it goes, the better it will be for rampage. he needs to push the pace without getting too wild and leaving himself open like couture and babalu did.

[SaveToughCrowd]

As opposed to the article posted by Cromwell, check out the article by this cuntbag, Mike Freeman. He bashes UFC and MMA in general, saying that boxing, the true sport, will rise up after the LA Hoya/Meriweather fight. I'd love to see this douche say one sentence of this to Joe Rogan, Liddell, Couture or any oher one of the true athletes that bleed for this sport. I don't just watch MMA, I practice it three times a week, so this guy pissed me off supremely.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10162545

[mendozathejew]

these cbs sportsline writers are bunch of jizzbuckets. both sides of this boxing vs mma dogshit debate.

[Larz]

these cbs sportsline writers are bunch of jizzbuckets. both sides of this boxing vs mma dogshit debate.


Yeah I like boxing and MMA but the arguments on both sides are getting childish. Boxing as a sport will never "go away", but at the same time its foolish for anyone not to recognize the legitimacy of MMA.


Now when it comes to people trying to convince me that golf or driving around in a circle for 500 miles are sports... thats when I just loff and loff.

[Rance]

I'm writing a blog every week. I will send out an email tomorrow with all the back story to everything that went on off camera with Gabe and not making weight and other stuff each week. If you want to receive it, join my mailing list on my site. Go to http://JoeLauzon.com and plug your email into the form on the left hand side.

--The Quiet Internet Kid

[Cromwell]

--The Quiet Internet Kid


Ha, ha! :icon_mrgr

Looking forward to some "quiet overhand rights" :icon_wink

[Palerider4146]

Rance, great job on the blog so far. Hopefully next week turns out the way we are all hoping,...








seeing your nakes ass poolside next!

[Rev]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4937-2004Jan9?language=printer

Check it, that writer's a hack.

[Cybouncer]

I'm writing a blog every week. I will send out an email tomorrow with all the back story to everything that went on off camera with Gabe and not making weight and other stuff each week. If you want to receive it, join my mailing list on my site. Go to http://JoeLauzon.com and plug your email into the form on the left hand side.

--The Quiet Internet Kid


Is there anybody here who thought that fucking guy was going to make weight? I forget who he (Gabe) was picking on but when that was going down, I said then that he was all talk. It's kind of a shame because I was hoping to see him get tooled up by Cory.

Fucking loudmouth!:icon_mad:

[Rance]

Some of you guys signed up after the email was sent out (Friday at 11 in the morning)

Here is the link to the blog this week: http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/v...ticleid=198564

[Rance]

Whoops. http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=198564

[highfive]

i saw that fat fuck Gabe at a hotel in trenton last night. he looked in worse shape yesterday then when he was on the show. I would of loved to call him a bitch for crying however I have zero mma skills and he was around some big boys. I could not believe he would show his face in public.

[Larz]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.

[risnuff]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.

Just as long as he didn't have to be 155 lbs before he did it.

[highfive]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.
I am sure he would....however he had an opportunity of a lifetime and he did not even try. Like Dan White said, everyone in on the show knew they would have to fight at 155. It has nothing to do with who can beat up who....he went on a show where you fight to move on. He did not even try to fight.

[Larz]

Oh I'm not defending his behaviour on the show, but calling him a bitch to his face would have been pretty dumb regardless of whether there were other fighters around.

[Cromwell]

Oh I'm not defending his behaviour on the show, but calling him a bitch to his face would have been pretty dumb regardless of whether there were other fighters around.

Yeah - he might have gone all "Paul Mecurio on Flea" :icon_mrgr

[Larz]

Yeah - he might have gone all "Paul Mecurio on Flea" :icon_mrgr

Perfect example

[highfive]

I just think he used the show for other reasons....what i have no idea. We agree that there is no reason for anyone that qualifies to be on the show not to make weight. That hotel was filled with fighters that would have loved to have the same opportunity as him.

And please do not compare me to Flea. :action-sm

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

i saw that fat fuck Gabe at a hotel in trenton last night. he looked in worse shape yesterday then when he was on the show. I would of loved to call him a bitch for crying however I have zero mma skills and he was around some big boys. I could not believe he would show his face in public.
So, I'm not going to defend his behavior....because, well I was disgusted by it. I hate attention grabbing whores. Not to mention he came off as waaaaay too homo for my tastes. BUT

He was very obviously doing it intentionally from the get go to maximize his camera time. So, I'll withhold judgment because I don't know how indicative it was of his true personality/ethic.

If that was really him he's a giant douche and I'd love it if someone caved his face in...I'm not in the 155 class (or probably as skilled, not to mention) but I'd love the oppurtunity, provided that was really him.

[mendozathejew]

wasnt the guy the lightweight champ of wec? hes not elite, but with a 10-3 record hes a decent fighter by TUF standards. what a douche for being so lazy

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques. MMA is still controversial, and events have been approved in fewer than half of U.S states.


Yeah...wait.....what?

Holy Balls is the media all a bunch of retards?

[burky79]

Martin Kampmann (Pictures) has been forced to withdraw from his June 16 fight against former UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin (Pictures) after sustaining a serious injury to his left knee that could require surgery.

The Danish striker was set to make his UFC main event debut in Belfast, Northern Ireland, but his exit from the fight has sent Zuffa scurrying for a replacement.

"It was a big opportunity for me to prove I belong in the big leagues," Kampmann told Sherdog.com. "So I'm very disappointed."

Undefeated in three UFC fights, Kampmann, an undersized middleweight known for his technical striking and underrated work on the floor, now must wait for swelling to go down before he receives final word on the severity of the hyperextension he suffered Friday while grappling at Xtreme Couture in Las Vegas.

"I'm really worried about getting my knee back to 100 percent," said Kampmann (15-2-0). "That's my primary concern right now."

Speculation on a new opponent for Franklin has centered on middleweight contender Yushin Okami (Pictures) (20-3-0), though UFC sources have denied a deal is in place to set up a Franklin-Okami showdown.

With a win in June, Franklin (21-2-0) could be positioned to make another run at the UFC middleweight crown he held from June 2005 through October 2006.



just read it on sherdog.
its a CnP directly from sherdog, since im headed to bed.

[Larz]

Would they give Kendall Grove a shot? This could be a no lose situation for him by taking the fight on short notice.

[Gotti420]

my guess would be Okami or maybe even Mayhem Miller

[av8rOC]

It's Okami:

http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/05/08/rich...ami-at-ufc-72/ (http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/05/08/rich-franklin-im-fighting-yushin-okami-at-ufc-72/)

Looking forward to that fight, both are strong as hell for 185lbs.

On another note...I wasnt sure if anyone posted the card for 73 yet, sick:





-Anderson Silva (#2 Middleweight in the World)* vs. Nathan Marquardt (#7 Middleweight in the World)*
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz (#9 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Hermes Franca
-Chris Lytle vs. Jeff Joslin
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

[StonerJack]

Franklin vs Okami is a better fight imo.

[Cromwell]

Would they give Kendall Grove a shot? This could be a no lose situation for him by taking the fight on short notice.
Is he fighting at 185 now?

I thought he was a 170 Lber.

[Larz]

Is he fighting at 185 now?

I thought he was a 170 Lber.

He's actually a pretty big MW, like 6'5. I'd be surprised if he ever fought at 170.

Even though Grove looked great in his last fight, probably a good thing that he's not taking Franklin just yet. He's gonna be 1 to watch in 2008 for sure.

Anyone else think Franklin is gonna obliterate Okami? Franklin's takedown defense is really good while Okami's striking is sub-par.

[Larz]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
wow...awesome....not even MMA, looks like traditional karate maybe (the cat in the gi top), what BS...I saw something on the discovery channel a little while back about some middle aged white dude that claimed to be a Ki master. What I don't get is how they dupe people into being students and actually believing they're being hit by something.....ugh.

[Larz]

wow...awesome....not even MMA, looks like traditional karate maybe (the cat in the gi top), what BS...I saw something on the discovery channel a little while back about some middle aged white dude that claimed to be a Ki master. What I don't get is how they dupe people into being students and actually believing they're being hit by something.....ugh.


Yeah looked like straight Karate to me too, was just the title of the vid.

Theres so much horseshit out there its hysterical, comabt Ki is probably the worst offender followed by various Tai Chi scams.

Another really cool vid is Chuck Liddel vs. Some Kung Fu guy. Chuck knocks him out so bad its frightening. Hey GL with your fight by the way Joe.

[burky79]

heres the wiki

----
excerpt from wiki on Kiai use in martial arts.


In martial arts, the term commonly refers to a short yell that some martial artists shout before or during a fight or technique. Korean martial arts may call this sound a Yatz or Kihap (기합). In bujutsu (Japanese arts of war), it is usually linked to the inner amassing of energy released in a single explosive focus of will. Students of martial arts such as aikido, karate, taekwondo or judo (or related arts such as taiko drumming) use kiai to focus energy when executing a technique. It also refers to the shout that accompanies some techniques when performing kata. Kiaijutsu is the Japanese art of using kiai when performing martial arts. The proper use of kiaijutsu involves concentrating on the use of one's ki more than it does shouting.
Since the feeling of kiai can be preserved without making a noise, kiai can be silent;[1] it is the coordination of breathing with the physical activity which is important. This may be more accurately referred to as kokyu power. Kokyu and kiai are sometimes used interchangeably. The term kokyu is most often translated as breath power in English. Kokyu power, is essentially the same as Chinese nei jin. "Breath" and "timing" certainly come into the usage of kokyu power, but it is the ability to coordinate breathing with the execution of a jin movement which is important. A relaxed and powerful exhalation can add power to movement. A sound is just an audiable indication of good kiai (aligned body structure, focused intent, and good breathing). It's not the sound that is important.
The noise from a kiai is said to emit from the hara or tanden, and it involves the abdominal muscles and diaphragm. It should not be sounded in the throat.[2]
[edit]Typical usage
Kiai is used to:
startle and demoralize your enemy.
prime yourself for combat, by "amping yourself up."
protect the upper body from a strike by providing an escape route for exhalation of air.
protect the lower body by rapidly contracting the transverse abdominals and other core muscles, shielding the internal organs.
provide solid support for striking techniques.



full wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiai)

[av8rOC]

Anyone else think Franklin is gonna obliterate Okami? Franklin's takedown defense is really good while Okami's striking is sub-par.


Nope. Okami is one of the most underated fighters in the UFC right now and I think the fight is a toss up.

[Cromwell]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

That is freakin HiLarious

Do these douchebags flipping and flopping around by the imaginary waive of the hands actually believe it? I think they are in on the scam.

I hadda laugh - the MMA just pounded the shit out of this charlatan.

That why I can't even pay attention to any of this Ti Chi crap.

Sure, technique matters - but in the end its still force against force. Strength matters - quickness matters.

[Larz]

Chuck Liddel vs. "Kung Fu Master". Its an open hand ruleset but brutal KO regardless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkpraLJKhA

[Standby]

Chuck Liddel vs. "Kung Fu Master". Its an open hand ruleset but brutal KO regardless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkpraLJKhA

How someone can just not even attempt to block kicks to the head like that baffles me. Yes, Chuck led him in with a few hands to set up the KO, but the early kicks...

I've been doing Muay Thai for maybe 9 months now, so I'm in no way ready to fight, but God damn, how do you not even attempt to block kicks like that.

Then again one of the things that's been hammered into me (literally, el oh el) that I find myself screaming when watching fights is "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP". So maybe it just depends on how you've been trained...

[Larz]

How someone can just not even attempt to block kicks to the head like that baffles me.

It illustrates how so many martial arts/fighting systems are really ineffective and that guy is billed as a Kung Fu Master.

Anything that stresses flashy forms, katas, spiritual mumbo jumbo or single point scoring instead of full contact is basically bullshit.

Granted that was Chuck Liddell but you could have substituted any competent MT fighter or Kickboboxer and the result would have been the same. If it was a closed fist match any straight Boxer would have KOed that guy as well.

[mendozathejew]

that guy is certainly not a master of anything let alone a martial arts form, lets be real here

[blackriders]

Holy shit Joe Destroyed the guy he was fighting.

[burky79]

go joe.

great fight!

kickin ass elbow dropin crazy intense man!
nice!

way to take out that fearsome mat with the elbow too ;)

hahaha!

[worob]

Joe is the man. He is too good to be on the show.

[Cromwell]

Rance is a beast.

He will go all the way.

[Larz]

Joe is the man. He is too good to be on the show.

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.

[Bodizapha]

Amazing fight Joe, I was scared you broke your elbow with that one strike!

Great sub, Great fight! Good Luck in the Semi-finals

[Palerider4146]

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.

Why not he looks like a kindergarden kid. I've you seen the hairless naked ass?

[Standby]

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.
Nah, next round it's going to be him vs. the Octagon mat. He sure knows how to throw an elbow and headbutt towards it :action-sm

(Oh come on, Joe, you're on fucking Wackbag, you KNOW we were gonna have our fun...)

Seriously though, sick fight, took control of it from the start, he completely doesn't belong in this pack...

[Palerider4146]

That guy was lucky Rance missed with that elbow, they would still be pulling skull fragments from the mat.

[Cromwell]

Projections for the final?

Joe vs Diaz?

Joe vs Manny?

[Chino Kapone]

joe vs. diaz. that will be the fight to see.


Great mother fucking fight last night!!!! i want my new sig to be Joe Cocking him out. Joe you are a beast you "internet kid."

[Palerider4146]

I'm a little worried about Manny and Nate, both of them have that retard strength. They are both problems. But I'm all for Rance going all the way.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

But I'm all for Rance going all the way.
careful out on that limb Rider ;):action-sm

[Cromwell]

careful out on that limb Rider ;):action-sm
Are you kidding me?

How obvious is Pale's "man crush" on Rance? :rolleyes:

Dude - as Todd Rundgren once sang -- "We gotta get you a woman . . . "

[Palerider4146]

Ahhhh, Crom, I'm working at it, I'm working at it.


I just feel bad for the first one I get. It's been a long time since I had good sex. All I know is that chick is getting the best 6 seconds of her life!

[Palerider4146]

BTW Crom, I used the "my friend is on that show" line again last night. Worked like a fucking charm. I truly am a douche!!!

[Rance]

BTW Crom, I used the "my friend is on that show" line again last night. Worked like a fucking charm. I truly am a douche!!!


Name dropper!

[Palerider4146]

Name dropper!

Damn straight!!!!! This chick may even sit and watch the show with me. Damn I'm gonna have to think of a story how I know you other than the net. Any ideas y'all?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Damn straight!!!!! This chick may even sit and watch the show with me. Damn I'm gonna have to think of a story how I know you other than the net. Any ideas y'all?
you have cousins in Massachusetts...one of them dated Joe's sister :rolleyes:

[Larz]

Nah, next round it's going to be him vs. the Octagon mat. He sure knows how to throw an elbow and headbutt towards it :action-sm


When things get back to normal around here, you have to insert a .gif of Joe elbowing the mat as his sig pic.

[av8rOC]

Wasnt able to catch the show thursday but did last night, very impressive fight Joe.


As for 71 who are you guys taking for the main event? My head is with Chuck but I will be rooting for Rampage. Chuck has not fought a good striker in I dont know how long, we will see how he does.

[Palerider4146]

you have cousins in Massachusetts...one of them dated Joe's sister :rolleyes:

Not a bad one, thanks Jimmy's.

By the way, I'm the same way, head goes with Chuck, but heart with Rampage. The way things are going in the UFC lately (Randy, GSP, Serra) nothing would surprise me anymore though.

[Larz]

As for 71 who are you guys taking for the main event? My head is with Chuck but I will be rooting for Rampage. Chuck has not fought a good striker in I dont know how long, we will see how he does.


Generally haven't been impressed by Page's last couple of fights. I recently found out that he's also a smoker which is a problem in my book. Chuck has really perfected his uniqe counter-punching anti-takedown style over the years and seems to be peaking while Rampage has been sliding. I think Chuck wins it but it will be a tough fight.

On the betting side, there was a brief period where you could lock in +240 on a rampage bet... if it had inched up a little more it would have been a pretty sound bet for the potential payoff. I think as people have taken a look at the Pride fight the odds have evened out some.

[Fredo Corleone]

liddell / mma article on espn.com's page 2:

http://www.wackbag.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30

This guy scares you?
By Allison Glock
ESPN The Magazine

Editor's note: This article appears in the May 21 issue of ESPN The Magazine.


Chuck Liddell is dancing. It is two hours before a World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) bout at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas, and Liddell, playing the role of guest cornerman, is getting his groove on ringside.


"I love dancing," he says, his hips ticking back and forth with fluidity. "I'll dance anywhere, anytime. People think I'm wasted, but I'm not. I'm just enjoying myself."





AP photo/Marlene Karas
Chuck Liddell, the biggest draw the UFC's got.Liddell is wearing expensive, loose-fitting jeans and a T-shirt with cherubs frolicking across the chest. His head is shaved save for a tight Lohawk. He has on flip-flops, which reveal his toenails. They are painted an implausible neon pink.


A WEC fighter walks by, slaps Liddell on the back, then notices the toes. "Look at that gayness," he says, cocking his head. Liddell just smiles and keeps grooving. He is a tolerant man. He can afford to be.


For the past six years, Liddell has been known as a badass, the best fighter in the world bar none. He's the UFC's current light heavyweight champion. In his 10-year career, he has lost only three fights and has gone on to avenge two of them. The third, his 2003 loss to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, is set for a rematch on May 26.


"The plan is to knock him out in the first round," Liddell says in a voice devoid of bravado. Unlike some fighters, he does not boast. He wears his professional record with a shrug. His talent is a gift from birth, or God.


"I've been fighting people since way back," he says with a smile. "At parties. In clubs. I always say I never started a fight. But looking back, I made it real hard for you to get out of one."


Even before he got paid to kick and punch, Liddell liked brawls. Not backing down was a means to an end. "Fighting was a competition for me," he says, "something I happened to be really good at."


Liddell is 37 years old. He is 6'2", 220 pounds. He has a round, boyish face, with piercing eyes and a sharply defined, Val Kilmer mouth. He's not small, but he doesn't block the sun like many athletes. His body is one of supreme use; every muscle serves a purpose. And generally that purpose is to put other men in a world of pain. "I'm not conflicted about it," he says. "I don't mean to hurt ya. I just want to prove I do it better."


What Liddell means is that he isn't psychotic. He describes himself as "mellow, laid-back." He doesn't derive pleasure from inflicting pain, and the fact that you enjoy watching him do it says a hell of a lot more about you than him. "Chuck looks like an ax murderer," says UFC president Dana White. "But he's the nicest guy in the world."


Even so, being an ultimate fighter has very little to do with being nice. It's about being an incomparable athlete. You must excel at boxing, martial arts and wrestling. You must possess depths of fortitude and a willingness to stand alone. And you must be accountable for yourself in a way that few sports require. Liddell knows this, having played virtually every other sport with the exception of tennis.


In 1998, while he was working as a bartender and a kickboxing instructor, a friend of a friend asked him if he wanted to try a mixed martial arts (MMA) fight. Never one to shy away from a challenge, Liddell agreed. And he won. Not long after, the UFC came calling. Now Liddell has transcended the sport to become a cultural icon (witness his recent cameo on "Entourage"). He is The Guy for most guys, a real-life hero in a world of spoiled, whiny poseurs. Arnold, without the script.


"Chuck is a bona fide superstar," White says. "Even in other countries, everybody knows him. When I go to New York with him, he gets mobbed. People scream from their cars."


Liddell's signature, and most popular, move in the octagon is a wide, swinging punch that bends and curves, Plastic Man-style, ending with his fist on the side of an unsuspecting head. His reach is long; his power, jaw-shattering. The whole movement is balletic, grace honed to violence, quick and definitive, propelled by intention. The intention: not to win, but to defeat.


"His greatest strength is his uncanny ability to knock out from any angle," says John Hackleman, owner of fighter breeding ground The Pit, who's known Liddell for 16 years. "A lot of fighters are great until they get hit. Chuck doesn't quit. The harder you hit him, the harder he'll fight."

Or, as another fighter says as he passes the octagon and spots Liddell: "Looks who's here! Clan of the Cave Bear! Guns of f---ing Navarone!"




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A short list of MMA fouls, as approved by the Nevada State Athletic Commission:


Butting with the head.
Eye-gouging of any kind.
Biting.
Fishhooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice.
Grabbing the trachea.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Spitting at an opponent.
Timidity.




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Charlene Liddell was vehemently antiviolence, even while her son was getting pummeled daily in school. "We lived in assisted housing in Santa Barbara," Chuck recalls. "There were two white kids in my class, and I was one of them."


Eventually, a teacher told Mrs. Liddell, a single parent, that her son was going to get hit every day unless he hit back. And so it was that little Chuck got a lesson in hand-to-hand combat from his maternal grandfather. At age 12, he began martial arts training "to stay busy." A natural athlete, he gravitated toward team sports in high school -- track, baseball, football, wrestling -- and excelled in them all, playing middle linebacker and starting all four years in wrestling at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. "I went as far as I could with football," he says with little regret. "Wrestling, too. But I'm better at fighting. I used to say it sucks that the one thing I'm really good at I can't make money on."


Then along came the UFC. The sport had a rocky start, beginning as it did in 1993 as a way to find the world's best fighter in informal competitions under the imprudent tagline "There are no rules!" Anyone with balls was welcome. Most guys padded their martial arts résumés and entered the cage only to wail like banshees. Boots were worn. Hair was yanked out by the fistful.





AP Photo/Marlene Karas
Liddell is a fierce competitor in the octagon.Footage of said fights made its way to Washington, inspiring no less a tough guy than John McCain to call it "human cockfighting." Bans followed, TV programming was nixed and the sport would have been forever relegated to backyards and basements were it not for a handful of investors who saw the wisdom of legitimacy.


One of them was White, a boxing promoter who became part of a group that purchased the UFC for $2 million in 2001. The no-holds-barred approach was abandoned, replaced with regulating bodies and Olympic-style rules. Thanks to aggressive marketing, UFC fights now average around 2.3 million viewers on Spike TV and sell out arenas worldwide. HBO is close to signing a broadcast deal, and "SportsCenter" airs postfight highlight clips. This year, more young men tuned into the league's UFC 70 event than the MTV Video Music Awards.


Still, many in the old guard of sports are resistant to mixed martial arts, citing what they feel is an inherent barbarism. Some sportscasters liken UFC matches to bar fights, while others refuse to acknowledge the league exists. This, one could argue, is more about elitism and old-school snobbery -- the same type of condescension once directed at NASCAR -- than a valid argument against the sport. Football, a pursuit known to eat its young, causes far more career-ending injuries than MMA. "I got hurt so much more in football and wrestling," Liddell says.


Some of MMA's biggest detractors are from the boxing world. Boxing, after all, stands to lose the most from MMA's rise. Floyd Mayweather Jr., boxing's biggest mouth, recently claimed, "Boxing is an art, UFC is a fad," and that if Liddell stepped into a boxing ring, "he'd get punished."


This, of course, pisses off Liddell. "Everybody messes with us," he says. "What makes boxing a sport but not us? We have to do more and know more than boxers. I'd drop a boxer so fast." He's probably right. Boxing is about five or so basic punches; MMA adds wrestling and martial arts. Unless a boxer landed an early knockout punch, he'd find himself pinned and looking for the nearest exit.


At the moment, Liddell is eating lunch at the Pink Taco, in the Hard Rock. His legs are folded under his chair, bobbing like sewing needles. On his wrist, a diamond-studded watch catches the light.


"One of my sponsors gave me this," he says, shaking his arm. "It's not something I would ever buy for myself. It was really nice of them, but … " He shrugs, then returns to his chips and iced tea.


Across the table, Hackleman shovels in some guacamole and reminisces about the old days, back when the two men would spar just for fun. "You're the same now as you were when you were sleeping on my couch," Hackleman says. "Before a fight, Chuck is always goofing around. That's why I named him the Iceman. He doesn't get nervous."


He doesn't pray, either. Not before a fight anyway.


"Why would I?"


Liddell is a confident man. He is a man who has been tested and has survived, and that knowledge fills him with a lightness of being unfamiliar to men who don't dare come up against anything, let alone themselves. All elite athletes possess this poise, this buoyancy -- but none more so than the fighter. It is one thing to excel, to be fast, to be flexible, to be strong, to endure. It is quite another to do all of that while being hit in the face.


"A lot of big guys make a reputation for themselves as hard," Liddell says. "Then I'll see them in the ring and they can't fight their way out of a paper bag. They're picking on guys they can beat. That's not being tough. That's being an a--hole."


As Liddell stands up to leave, the Pink Taco manager approaches, hand extended. "Lunch is on us, Chuck," he says, beaming. Liddell thanks him and attempts to move toward the door, but his two-second pause has allowed a crowd to form. Men in their 20s and 30s encircle him, most snapping away with their camera phones. "Would you sign my hat?" one asks, thrusting it at Liddell. The fighter obliges, staying mum when another fan quips, "Don't make me fight you for a picture." After every autograph, Liddell says, "Thank you."


Ten minutes later, he finally breaks free and walks purposefully toward the elevators. He misses the open door and is again surrounded. It will take him 20 minutes to get to his suite on the top floor, where upon arriving he will immediately rush to the balcony and take a long, deep breath of fresh air.


"I like to people watch," he says, nodding toward the pool teeming with girls in bikinis and heels. Liddell turns around and walks to the couch, limping slightly. When the limp is mentioned, he rolls his eyes. "People have been asking about that," he says with irritation. "I don't have a limp."


He shuffles along, visibly favoring one leg. He catches his reflection in the mirror.


"I think it's from my toe," he concedes, lifting his right foot out of his flip-flop to reveal a slice under his big toe deep enough to lose change in. "Could be that, I guess."


He can't recall how he got the cut, and he's not one for complaining, about anything, with one obvious exception: He doesn't much like unremitting grandstander Tito Ortiz, his former training partner turned rival.

In 2002, Liddell was primed to fight Ortiz for the UFC title, but Ortiz demurred, claiming schedule conflicts. That didn't sit well with fans or Liddell, and Ortiz was impelled to face him in April 2004. Liddell won with a second-round knockout, and he beat Ortiz again last December, despite a torn MCL and a popped tendon in his left hand.


"I'll admit," Liddell says, lowering his voice slightly, "he is one guy I enjoy hitting -- I enjoy it a lot."




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A short list of people scarier than Chuck Liddell:


Mike Tyson.
Michael Jackson.
Ryan Seacrest.
Ann Coulter.
Dick Cheney.
Oprah.




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Backstage at the WEC fights, Liddell is coaching Erik Apple, a 29-year-old fighter with matinee idol looks. The two men circle each other on a warmup mat, with Liddell occasionally tapping Apple on the skull when he leaves himself vulnerable. Apple furrows his brow and nods at Liddell's every word. They wrestle a little, Liddell again showing Apple his weak spots, a mixed blessing so close to fight time. They finish with a hug.


The UFC is a handsy bunch. Hugging is big, as are shoulder squeezes and hair tousles. There is an easy intimacy among men who grapple for a living, a fluid physicality, as if every moment outside the ring is an opportunity to apologize for what happens inside it. When you've ripped a man's ear to the lobe, a postmatch embrace goes a long way.





AP Photo/Marlene Karas
With cameos on shows like "Entourage," Liddell's profile is only going to get bigger."Don't you hate waiting?" Apple asks Liddell, his bare feet tapping wildly.


"It's the worst," Liddell says with a smile.


Well, maybe not the worst. Losing is the worst. "When you lose a fight, you damage your manhood," says Hackleman, a former boxer and fighter. "You can't blame the team. You failed. Period."


Given the chore that awaits them, the fighters backstage are oddly relaxed. A few psych themselves up, but most clown around, tease each other or offer support to the fighters on deck. They wrestle and stretch. Others watch the closed-circuit TV. There's something very natural about the whole scene, comforting even, like this is what men are meant to be doing -- grappling for dominance and laughing over beers when it's all done.


"Men want to fight," Hackleman says. "What we do is innate. The two basic biological responses are fight or flight. It's not play basketball or flight." While Hackleman sees fighting as an undistilled version of every sport, Liddell is more sanguine. "Fighting is what it is," he says. "I've never felt out of control. I'm the last guy to punch a wall. If I'm really upset, I may go for a jog or something."


There is, of course, some darkness. For Liddell it springs from his father, a man so ill-equipped to parent that he locked his toddler son in a room for hours at a time, leaving Chuck's 3-year-old sister to look after him, Liddell says. "She fed me onions once. I was crying because I was hungry. Dad didn't care. Then he left for good."


Liddell has two children: Trista, age 9, and Cade, age 8. Both live with their respective mothers but remain very close to their father, as do the women, neither of whom Liddell felt compelled to marry.


He takes his parenting seriously, but Liddell wants it known that his absentee father is not the reason he fights. It's not about compensation, emotional or otherwise. "A lot of guys get in street fights to prove something," Liddell says. "But I never did. I have nothing to prove, but I never give up. You give me enough time, I'll win."


He laughs.


Has he ever been in therapy?


"For what?"


He is quiet for a moment.


"I went to anger management once," he says. "At Cal Poly I kicked a stuck door, and it flew off the hinges. The counselor said, 'Come back when you have real problems.'"




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A short list of largely unknown facts about Chuck Liddell:


He was in the chess club.
He has never broken his nose.
He was an A student in high school.
He has a degree in accounting.
He has a Chihuahua named Bean.
He has seen "Fight Club."
It was "fine."
He has also seen "The Sound of Music."
He loved it. So much so that he went to see the musical -- a couple of times.




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Chuck Liddell is not afraid of dying. "I am afraid of not being able to fight," he says. He'd miss it, the physicality, the touchstone to truth, the constant and real measure of his own ability. If nothing else, fighting offers men a wellspring of knowledge. For better or worse, when you can take a punch, you know who you are.


Liddell knows precisely who he is. And because he knows, he can dance with abandon, paint his toenails pink ("because I can") and enjoy the occasional musical without shame. He's a man awash in serenity. Only the potential for injury unnerves him, if he allows himself to dwell on it, which he doesn't.


"I can't see myself in a wheelchair," he says, cringing. "People feeling sorry for you would get old real quick."


He envisions a different future, a shinier one. "I'm interested in Hollywood," he says. "I'm trying to do Punisher II. I may get to play the villain's crazy brother. I'll probably start acting classes."


He knows it sounds cliché, but he makes no apologies. "I'm 37," he says. "I hope to fight quite a few more years, but you never know." He pauses, takes a long, deep breath and smiles. "Then again, Randy Couture is still the heavyweight champion at 43," Liddell says happily.


"And I knocked him out twice."

[Cromwell]

Geez, Fredo - is that article long enough?

Couldn't you have copied some ads in too? :rolleyes:

(I'm just bustin' ya. I enjoyed reading about Chuck's "dancing". Though a link to the article coulda worked too) :)

[Fredo Corleone]

Geez, Fredo - is that article long enough?

Couldn't you have copied some ads in too? :rolleyes:

(I'm just bustin' ya. I enjoyed reading about Chuck's "dancing". Though a link to the article coulda worked too) :)

a woman wrote it, so what do you expect? blah, blah, blah, blah....

[burky79]

my head hurts...

but great article.

chuck is an interesting fella.
as well as an ass beating mutha shut yo mouth.

[Gotti420]

it looks like they're doing an All Access on Rampage. Its on Monday after the 71 countdown show. Should be good, Quinton's always entertaining.

[Cybouncer]

it looks like they're doing an All Access on Rampage. Its on Monday after the 71 countdown show. Should be good, Quinton's always entertaining.


All Access is like the SI curse to UFC.

[highway23]

bloodbath on IFL Battleground right now...

wow

[Cromwell]

as well as an ass beating mutha shut yo mouth.

But I'm talkin' bout Chuck . . .

(we can dig it)

[novalia]

love rampage but he just isnt the same fighter he once was..
the fights with silva really slowed him down.. the ufc didnt give him enough fights to get his form back.. chuck is going to knock him out in the first round.

[highfive]

love rampage but he just isnt the same fighter he once was..
the fights with silva really slowed him down.. the ufc didnt give him enough fights to get his form back.. chuck is going to knock him out in the first round.
they were probably worried he would lose before they had him fight Chuck.

[mendozathejew]

rampage may or may not be the beast he was before fighting silva twice. but he will be greatly improved technically in this fight. the eastman fight was just a feeling out process. hes been training better then he ever did in pride, where he often barely trained and took fights on a couple weeks notice.

his boxing, muy thai training as been phenominal, both from coaches and great sparring partners. his technique will be greatly improved.

and it sounds like chuck has had a phenominal training camp as well, so this should be a tough fight for the both of them

[mendozathejew]

another thing to remember, chuck is obviously a fast starter, great in the first round. rampage is a slow starter, it usually takes him time to get warmed up. he knocked out liddell in round 2, after a 10 minute first round.

[DoughBoy]

Wow, who the fuck saw that coming?

[DoughBoy]

Take luck Joe!

Did he just say 'I've definately got that retard strength gong for me?"

You rule!

[Cromwell]

Joe Lauzon - "maybe not the best fighter, but probably the smartest" - Hey how could he not be? He's on Wackbag :action-sm

Check out MySpace at the moment. They're running this featured ad about Extreme Cage Fighting on the Versus channel. June 3rd. Anybody hear anything else about it?

[Larz]

Betting lines on Liddel-Jackson are getting interesting. They've shifted big time since Spike has been running those promo shows of Chuck getting owned.

Bodog has Liddel at -170 which looks good. I'm ready to bite but will wait until tomorrow, there might still be some rampage momentum in the line.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Huh...ESPN finally started running an MMA portion (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/index) of their site in association with Sherdog

[mendozathejew]

joe rogan is going at it with a boxing promoter on espn. hes definitely getting the better of it

[Larz]

Liddel now at -165.

[Palerider4146]

Not only is ESPN running a thing on their page, they had a thing about the weigh in on the ESPN news channel. I didnt get to see it myself because of work, but they had it on their program alert all day.

[mendozathejew]

they are talking about it, showing the weigh ins on sportscenter. and the website has an MMA section, thankfully not just a UFC section. its covering mma as a whole. but sportscenter keeps calling it "Ultimate Fighting" instead of Mixed Martial Arts, which makes me cringe. and its not good for mainstream appeal.

to those unacquainted with the sport, the two terms have a much different meaning and impact, I think

[( . Y . )]

they are talking about it, showing the weigh ins on sportscenter. and the website has an MMA section, thankfully not just a UFC section. its covering mma as a whole. but sportscenter keeps calling it "Ultimate Fighting" instead of Mixed Martial Arts, which makes me cringe. and its not good for mainstream appeal.

to those unacquainted with the sport, the two terms have a much different meaning and impact, I think

I feel the same way when they use ultimate fighting with MMA in general. I think UFC will be the trademark in the US, most people still don't know what MMA is but you mention ufc and they know exactly what you're talking about.

On a sidenote anyone catch Lauzon's psycho stare when he got patted on the butt on TUF? The guy should've said NO HOMO

http://gaso.1g.fi/lauzon_assgrab.gif

[burky79]

I feel the same way when they use ultimate fighting with MMA in general. I think UFC will be the trademark in the US, most people still don't know what MMA is but you mention ufc and they know exactly what you're talking about.

On a sidenote anyone catch Lauzon's psycho stare when he got patted on the butt on TUF? The guy should've said NO HOMO

http://gaso.1g.fi/lauzon_assgrab.gif

I think you're right about the mention of UFC.
Say the same thing, but use K-1, Pride, IFL, etc... you'll get a blank stare.

I have two thoughts on that...

1. sad that people don't see any more than the headline and nothing else.

2. great marketing by zuffa dana "it's good to be" white and the entire UFC organization.

----

As far as Joes stare, I didn't see that.

Was that Diaz, kinda looked like his taller/lankey body, but I couldn't see the face... and what episode was that from?

[Don West]

Hey, is this your profile picture on facebook or is it someone posing as you?
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/388/10/s41901151_4182.jpg

[7cent]

anyone watching tonight?

[Mule Juice]

Was that Diaz, kinda looked like his taller/lankey body, but I couldn't see the face... and what episode was that from?

I thought it was Diaz, but I'm not sure. This was from this weeks episode where Joe beat the crap out of Cole.

[burky79]

anyone watching tonight?

Over here (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=68727)now!

(UFC : 71 Watching Thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=68727))

[commish13]

How come nobody's talking about the fact that SHOGUN signed with UFC on Tuesday?

[Larz]

How come nobody's talking about the fact that SHOGUN signed with UFC on Tuesday?

Cause its just too scary for words. If the UFC isn't careful with their fighter selection shogun will be sending someone home in a bodybag.

[av8rOC]

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Justin/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/PHATV_2006/Ultimate_Fighting_Liddell_Jackson.jpg

[mendozathejew]

Cause its just too scary for words. If the UFC isn't careful with their fighter selection shogun will be sending someone home in a bodybag.

unfortunately I think Shogun is too much for Rampage, even the improved current form of Quinton with great footwork and boxing technique. but it should be noted rampage took that fight with shogun on a few weeks notice

rampages comments on henderson and lindland
At the post-fight press conference, Jackson joke about Henderson’s signing, “He smells a lot better than Matt Lindland. Matt Lindland be funky dog, that’s for real… that boy is funky, he smells like two weeks.” He continued, “I think Dan’s got a different style, because Dan, he throws those thing, but Matt Lindland, he just wanna hug you the whole damn time and smelling like that, that’s the last person you wanna hug.”

Giving more of his thoughts on Henderson’s style, Jackson stated, “Dan Henderson is a tough little ugly son of a gun. So you know I got a lot to watch out for. He’s a great wrestler; he got a strong right himself. I used to spar with Dan Henderson. I used to go help him out to train. But, he never returned the favor, so I guess, I gotta pay him back for all that.”

[commish13]

Rampage could become the new face of UFC. The man's a damn entertainer.

[commish13]

ignore this

[cal5000]

Rampage was damn impressive-taking that shot and countering with that same side was sick.

[Larz]

unfortunately I think Shogun is too much for Rampage, even the improved current form of Quinton with great footwork and boxing technique. but it should be noted rampage took that fight with shogun on a few weeks notice


With Page its all about his state of mind, motivation, and preparation. The Lindland and Eastman fights were so Lackluster, I watched them a bunch of times and came pretty close to putting some cash down on Chuck.

On a side note why the fuck is Hendo fighting 205? He is a beast at MW and could Own Silva, Franklin, and Okami. Makes no sense especially with Shogun lurking around.

[mendozathejew]

With Page its all about his state of mind, motivation, and preparation. The Lindland and Eastman fights were so Lackluster, I watched them a bunch of times and came pretty close to putting some cash down on Chuck.

On a side note why the fuck is Hendo fighting 205? He is a beast at MW and could Own Silva, Franklin, and Okami. Makes no sense especially with Shogun lurking around.

well thats true about rampage, but against silva it was all about the thai clinch. he just couldnt defend it, against shogun either. and its not like it took just one to finish him. he ate alot, and youd think hed be able to take one and grab the leg for the takedown. hopefully he gets another shot at the chute box guys and is prepared for that now

as for henderson, your guess is as good as mine. maybe he thought he was more viable at 205 in pride than he was at 185 after losing in the GP.

[( . Y . )]

Some nice post fight interviews.

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=112030

I like all the mainstream coverage espn, fox sports, cbs sports etc.....

[mendozathejew]

Rampage could become the new face of UFC. The man's a damn entertainer.
post fight press conference, rampage puts on another show
http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=112041

somneone said "Hey Quinton, Tito bet $3,000 on Chuck Tonight just an FYI" and Jackson replied "I DON'T CARE, CAUSE HE IS 3,000 SHORT"

[GDRC]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e220/kusokidiota/000524557bxa2ed9.gif
This made me laugh, wonder if the ref said no homo in Japanese.

[mendozathejew]

I like the way rampage treated the japanese media

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/rampageguerillamade1.gif

[Fredo Corleone]

rampage has been my favorite since he ko'd cyril abidi in k-1. i knew he could wrestle and slam people, and that showed he could strike too. back then i thought he was unbeatable until he ran into the thai clinch.

it seems that rampage not only has difficulty with the clinch, but also with guys who come after him at 100 mph (chute boxe guys). liddell, on the other hand, would do much better against guys who come after him full bore. hopefully, not that rampage is training at legends, he's working with bas and randy, so he learns what to do with the clinch.

[Standby]

I was in Vegas with the intention of watching the fight at a sportsbook (preferably the Mirage) or somewhere on the strip. I can NOT believe not one place was showing the fight with or without a cover. I'm very upset I missed what sounded like a great card overall. At least bets on huge underdog Alexander and slight dog Martin countered the fact that I messed up and bet Chuck to win.

Still looking to find a way to watch the event... I'm SO putting in the 500 to get a seat if I'm ever in Vegas the weekend of a fight again.

[mendozathejew]

JOE LAUZON INTERVIEW

Scott of MMANews.com: This is Scott with MMANews.com and I am interviewing Joe Lauzon today. First off let me thank you on behalf of everyone at MMANews.com and myself for taking the time to do this interview. Let's start with some easy questions. What got you into MMA?

Joe Lauzon: I started doing submission grappling in high school. As I trained with some of our other guys getting ready for fights, I knew it was something I wanted to do. I won my first fight and have never looked back.

MMANews.com: How was your experience on the show.

Joe Lauzon: It was a great experience that I would never wish to repeat. That house will drive you insane, and it did. Everyone was clawing at the walls to get out [of] there... but the training experience was the best.

MMANews.com: Is [BJ] Penn a good coach?

Joe Lauzon: BJ is a great coach. He helped my game a ton. I can never thank him enough for all the help he gave me.

MMANews.com: This is a question that we are all wondering about. With a knockout win over Jens Pulver we did not expect to see you on The Ultimate Fighter show, how did you being on the show come about?

Joe Lauzon: After the press conference after my fight, Dana [White] and Joe Silva told me they wanted me on the show. I was trying to talk them into taking my brother, but it never worked out. I eventually decided it was an opportunity that I shouldn't pass up, so off I went.

MMANews.com: Was it weird with Jens as one of coaches?

Joe Lauzon: Jens wasn't my coach... but it would have been a little weird at first. I would have listened to everything he said and done whatever he wanted me to do. But at the same time, of course it would be a little weird.

MMANews.com: Is there any chance of you becoming a full time fighter?

Joe Lauzon: Maybe when I pay off my student loans... but until then, I don't see it happening.

MMANews.com: If UFC were to have a 145 division would you fight there or stay at 155?

Joe Lauzon: I was fighting at 145 before and the cut was just too much. I'm happy at 155, wherever it leads me.

MMANews.com: Is there anyone you are looking to fight, or if you could fight anyone who would it be?

Joe Lauzon: Spencer Fisher. I beat his teammate (Jens), he beat my brother Dan [Lauzon]... it's time we settle things.

MMANews.com: How do you feel you match-up with the current Lightweight champion [Sean] Sherk?

Joe Lauzon: Sherk is a beast. Do I want to fight him right now? Not really. Down the line? Absolutely.

MMANews.com: How annoyed were you with people running around, bitching, and making asses of themselves on the show?

Joe Lauzon: It was entertaining because we were so bored... there was nothing else to do in the house, so it gave me something to watch.

MMANews.com: Who is your pick for the Penn vs. Pulver rematch?

Joe Lauzon: Penn. I think he just has too many tools.

MMANews.com: Ok enough with the questions about fighting, let's find out who Joe really is. What did you receive your degree in from college?

Joe Lauzon: Computer Networking.

MMANews.com: What are your favorite movies?

Joe Lauzon: Lots... Fight Club, Gladiator, 300, Batman Begins, Old School, Braveheart, the South Park Movie... I could go on and on.

MMANews.com: Favorite video games?

Joe Lauzon: Starcraft. I wasted years of my life playing that game. Part of the reason I started training was to get out of the house more and do something more active.

MMANews.com: Do you prefer the PS3, XBOX 360, or the Nintendo Wii?

Joe Lauzon: Haven't played the Wii, but I bought a 360 back in December. I'm not as big into video games as I used to be... but I still play it once in a while.

MMANews.com: I prefer the Playstation 3. What are your favorite pizza and burger places?

Joe Lauzon: Cape Cod Cafe in Brockton has the best pizza around - period. Supreme House of Pizza in Brockton has the best Subs. Best Burgers around here are at Match in Boston. They are gourmet burgers... little tiny things... but they are so good.

MMANews.com: Do you work with any charities or hospitals?

Joe Lauzon: Not yet.

MMANews.com: What do you do when you are not training or working?

Joe Lauzon: I work like 40 hours a week, and I train like another 20 or so. When I'm working or training, I am relaxing and watching TV or movies... or sleeping. I love to sleep.

MMANews.com: Again let me thank you for taking the time to do this interview. Also I hope to see you in the finale fighting for the contract because you were my pick to win it all. I hope to catch up with you down the road and see how things are going. Have a good day and again thank you Joe.

Joe Lauzon: Thanks. Sorry it took so long.

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Exclusive-Interview-With-TUF-5-Fighter-Joe-Lauzon.html

[( . Y . )]

Class act. i hope when they finish the season he goes on ona. joe vs. spencer would be a sweet match.

[Palerider4146]

Rance, your a good kid. We got to get you down to NYC sometime.

[mendozathejew]

spencer talked some shit a few weeks back, calling joe a one trick pony. joes a class act. he should have said your mothers a one trick pony when i give her money she eats my ass (jimmy's line, hoo hoo)

[Jimmy's Dignity]

haha..I'm not gonna lie, I normally don't laugh at "Your mom's a ..." jokes but that would be funny

Rance, how big are your fucking student loans if fighting won't pay them off? :icon_eek: "whaa"

[( . Y . )]

Nice ufc 75 promo, just thought i'd share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbdhXmJtjQ

[commish13]

Holy shit... I'm listening to Ron and Fez from Wednesday, and I thought people talking about wrestling and not knowing what they're talking about annoyed me. The callers knew NOTHING of what they spoke of.

[JoeFromDetroit]

Watching K-1's Dynamite USA.

- Jonnie Morton(former NFL player) got knocked-out in under 40 seconds, and stayed out for about 5 minutes.
- "Mighty Mo" just won in under a minute. Ref stopped the fight.

It's a damn slow show. Literally, 10 minute intro's. Ughhh. Plus, no fights i'm really interested in. Oh well, love the free streams.


But they showed Nicholas Cage with probably the hottest asian chick i've ever seen.

[mendozathejew]

PM me if you want a win amp url streaming k1 live

gracie sak and brock lesnar are coming up

[mendozathejew]

quote from another thread
It's not from wussing out. Fighters that come from competitive high school/collegiate wrestling backgrounds have incredible takedowns and control
but typically lack finishing skills on the ground.

You have to unlearn some of the old wrestling ruleset thats literally engrained in your muscle memory and train for GnP/Submissions. Once a good wrestler learns the basics of Jiu jitsu and ground game they become really dangerous especailly at lightweight where standing KO power becomes less of a factor (Joe being the exception of course heh).



its only one fight, but I dont think brock lesnar is gona have this problem. after the takedown he didnt stop trying for the ground and pound. mentally, he isnt hanging onto the instinct to continue grappling after the takedown

[JoeFromDetroit]

Worst PPV ever. Boring fights, 15 minutes between fights. Damn happy I didn't pay for it.

Brock Lesnar ended up fighting some chump. The 7'2 guy didn't get cleared for the fight. Lesnar is a fucking beast. The guy he fought(while lousy) tapped out due to PUNCHES on the ground.

[mendozathejew]

Worst PPV ever. Boring fights, 15 minutes between fights. Damn happy I didn't pay for it.

Brock Lesnar ended up fighting some chump. The 7'2 guy didn't get cleared for the fight. Lesnar is a fucking beast. The guy he fought(while lousy) tapped out due to PUNCHES on the ground.

the marvin manhoef fight was really good. other than that it sucked badly. too much time in between fights. lesnar will have a good ground and pound. this guy he fought gave bob sapp all kinds of trouble til he got kod but hopefully they give lesnar some time before putting him in with some with submission skills from the bottom

[Larz]

quote from another thread
its only one fight, but I dont think brock lesnar is gona have this problem. after the takedown he didnt stop trying for the ground and pound. mentally, he isnt hanging onto the instinct to continue grappling after the takedown


yep. Those were some mean rabbit punches. If I remember correctly he's been training MMA for about 8 months. If he takes it seriously and develops some standup + subs combined with his wrestling who knows?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Lesnar's K1 debut...

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it went much much better than Johnny Morton's :icon_eek:
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and then he got suspended for refusing to give a urine sample (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=2891840)
Morton, 35, was knocked out just 38 seconds into the first round of his match against Bernard Ackah on Saturday night and then was suspended by the California State Athletic Commission after refusing to supply a urine sample for drug testing.

[ratedRsuperstar]

lesnar's slimmed down a alot since wwe. still need the lesnar vikings jersey


also need the al bundy polk high jersey if that provides a perspective.


i REALLY wanna see lesnar go with sapp, arlovsky, couture, etc. someone with credibility and skill. not these "tyson returns to boxing" opponents.

[mendozathejew]

l
i REALLY wanna see lesnar go with sapp, arlovsky, couture, etc. someone with credibility and skill. not these "tyson returns to boxing" opponents.

it doesnt/wont work that way

[( . Y . )]

Just watched the wec event on dvr, good event. Way better than K1, i never liked the k1 heavyweight division. only liked k1max.

on a side note: rematch ray vs. jorge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByILVLKC84

[mendozathejew]

at the risk of being a complaining cunt, I really hope the interview they do with liddell later in the week is non mma related. I dont want to hear jimmy ask him about "federov"

[Cromwell]

at the risk of being a complaining cunt, I really hope the interview they do with liddell later in the week is non mma related. I dont want to hear jimmy ask him about "federov"

Ha, ha!

Hey - he's not only an MMA fighter, but a helluva hockey player :icon_mrgr

Is it true he was bangin' Anna Kournikova? :action-sm


I'm actually curious to hear Chuck's live thoughts on what went down, and what kind of plans he has next.

[Palerider4146]

From what it sounded like in the past, Jimmy and Ant seem to follow the UFC a bit, Ope has said it is the one thing that "crosses the line" for him. Any chance they get Rampage in also, that would be some hell of an interview.

[mendozathejew]

From what it sounded like in the past, Jimmy and Ant seem to follow the UFC a bit, Ope has said it is the one thing that "crosses the line" for him. Any chance they get Rampage in also, that would be some hell of an interview.

rampage would be phenominal radio, I think they boys would do better radio with both guys if they brought them into the fold with something already going onm, rather than asking hack questions about "ultimate fighting" whatever the fuck that is

[Palerider4146]

I agree Jew, especially brining rampage in during some fucked up bit, he'd love that shit. They really should get Lauzon in considering the guy is on the The Ultimate fighter show and is a old time fan of the boys. I'm kind of pissed they didnt do something with him while the show has been on.

[mendozathejew]

I'm kind of pissed they didnt do something with him while the show has been on.

yeah that definitely is a shame, but Joe's first fight on the tuf came during the worst moment for the show since wnew. it was a complete clusterfuck at that moment. hopefully they get him in studio after the show is done

[( . Y . )]

If they want a huge reaction from the MMA community, have both rampage and chuck in at the same time. i think it would be a first.

There's no bad blood between them, there shouldn't be any problems. just buncha guys sitting around talking bout shit. of course one KO'd the other

[Rance]

yeah that definitely is a shame, but Joe's first fight on the tuf came during the worst moment for the show since wnew. it was a complete clusterfuck at that moment. hopefully they get him in studio after the show is done


Its not like someone that listens to their show all the time being on a Reality Show is a rare thing... right?

To be honest, I haven't been listening to much O&A lately either. I have been leaving to go into work around 9am and miss them on normal radio. Kinda douchey though to completely ignore what could have been good insight and interesting. Whatever though.

[sniper]

They mentioned you today, they had Chuck in, it's clear they're not closely following this season though.

You going to be at the Charlie Horse again tonight?

[Rance]

They mentioned you today, they had Chuck in, it's clear they're not closely following this season though.

You going to be at the Charlie Horse again tonight?

We go to the Charlie Horse on the nights I fight. I think I fight again next week.

[novalia]

they have no grasp or understanding of MMA.... to them its still ultimate fighting.. what can you expect... all you have to hear is jimmy say "federov" and you know they're mailing it in... fwiw they really aren't interested in sports much at all...

[mendozathejew]

they have no grasp or understanding of MMA.... to them its still ultimate fighting.. what can you expect... all you have to hear is jimmy say "federov" and you know they're mailing it in... fwiw they really aren't interested in sports much at all...
yeah thats why I was hoping theyd talk about stuff outside of mma with liddell. its probably the only subject that the show has ever talked about that gives me the douche chills.

but thank dana white for "ultimate fighting" as a term. I guess it was successful in terms of gaining name recognition and interest in their business. But it also contributes to the image that they now try their best to defeat, which is the stupid human cockfighting/bar room brawling tag that they wrongly get hit with.

but thats what "ultimate fighting" brings to mind. while Mixed Martial Arts gives the image of the technical, rules based, skillful sport it usually is

[mendozathejew]

Its not like someone that listens to their show all the time being on a Reality Show is a rare thing... right?

To be honest, I haven't been listening to much O&A lately either. I have been leaving to go into work around 9am and miss them on normal radio. Kinda douchey though to completely ignore what could have been good insight and interesting. Whatever though.
in all honesty I think you just got lost in the mix of their possible firing, and being plastered all over the news right when your fights came up on tuf. hopefully they can still make it right and get you in studio

[Cromwell]

Listeing to the Lidell interview yesterday, Opie wasn't even sure if Joe was still on the show or not. That should tell you all you need to know right there. Geez - you'd think at least one of the staff could be paying attention enough to get that info to Opie (God forbid he actually watch the show himself).

Bottom line is - if Joe really wants on the show - he's going to have to have his agent call Roland and sell it.

Joe is right to be a bit disappointed - but he also has to realize that he's out there competing with all the other "entertainment" people as well.

Have your agent make some calls for you.

We (the Wackbag/Opie&Anthony MMA community) want you on the show.

[Rance]

Listeing to the Lidell interview yesterday, Opie wasn't even sure if Joe was still on the show or not. That should tell you all you need to know right there. Geez - you'd think at least one of the staff could be paying attention enough to get that info to Opie (God forbid he actually watch the show himself).

Bottom line is - if Joe really wants on the show - he's going to have to have his agent call Roland and sell it.

Joe is right to be a bit disappointed - but he also has to realize that he's out there competing with all the other "entertainment" people as well.

Have your agent make some calls for you.

We (the Wackbag/Opie&Anthony MMA community) want you on the show.

Not gonna worry about it. I have enough people trying to get me on things that I don't need to go looking for more. I would have been happy to do it had they asked, but I am not going to go and call them up and be like "Please let me be on your show". I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

[Larz]

I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

Maybe, but theres no denying they lost out on a really interesting situation. Seriously how bout someone on the show staff get a fucking clue instead of having Stalker Patty on for the eleventy billionth time. Ahh whats the use... TUF is almost over anyways. Cheers to you Joe.

[Cybouncer]

Maybe, but theres no denying they lost out on a really interesting situation. Seriously how bout someone on the show staff get a fucking clue instead of having Stalker Patty on for the eleventy billionth time. Ahh whats the use... TUF is almost over anyways. Cheers to you Joe.

THANK YOU!:clap::clap::clap:

Who gives a shit about Patty?! Joe is great guest that would be so easy for them to get.

I agree with him though. No need to fucking beg, if they don't want him, then whatever...:action-sm

[Cromwell]

Agreed guys.

And listen - I hate to be "one of those guys who bitches about the show" (because for the most part, I really enjoy it) but your point about yet-another Patty segment is dead on.

I groaned when I heard she was one of the "featured bits" today. For effs sake, - hasn't this whole thing been beaten into the ground already?

Oh, wait - now this time its Danny taking her into a peep show. Ooooooh - let the naughty good times ensue! Ugh!

And I can't wait for the follow-up about "how she enjoyed the tape".

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

[sniper]

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

Totally agree, I look at these MASSIVE MMA threads on this site and we are pretty much the target demo, and even with all the hype in here AND it's own tuf season 5 thread... I dunno, I'm disappointed. By reading Joe's weekly blog I know he's a well spoken guy, it'd have made for a great weekly segment. Even though O&A don't follow MMA like we do, they could have done the same thing as they do when they have NASCAR guests on and let the callers ask the questions, 30 minutes of work free radio for them easy.
And I worry about when Joe does eventually win a championship and his name blows up, and the exact opposite happens, which at this point he'd have every right to do.

[mendozathejew]

maybe if they had joe in studio in between breaks he could have clued them in on MMA, explain why its not prison yard "ultimate fighting" and given them some basic technical understanding of the sport, and we wouldnt have to sit through the douche chill moment of talking to liddell about 'federov.'

they really dropped the ball on this one. usually any member of the oa community whos a part of any entertainment or sport gets alot of mentions and appearances. and somehow they miss out on this.

granted the timing was awful, the radio world was falling apart, then their own radio careers seemed in great danger. but shit thats what they have a staff for. how do you fuck up this one.

[highfive]

Not gonna worry about it. I have enough people trying to get me on things that I don't need to go looking for more. I would have been happy to do it had they asked, but I am not going to go and call them up and be like "Please let me be on your show". I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

I agree with you:clap::clap:

[burky79]

Agreed guys.

And listen - I hate to be "one of those guys who bitches about the show" (because for the most part, I really enjoy it) but your point about yet-another Patty segment is dead on.

I groaned when I heard she was one of the "featured bits" today. For effs sake, - hasn't this whole thing been beaten into the ground already?

Oh, wait - now this time its Danny taking her into a peep show. Ooooooh - let the naughty good times ensue! Ugh!

And I can't wait for the follow-up about "how she enjoyed the tape".

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

agreed agreed agreed ...

and i havent listened to the show but maybe three times, since they left xm. but another patty segment is all they DONT need. couldnt ever stand her. cause it did get beaten in the ground a long long time ago.

a rogan and or joe time would be a reason to listen again. i know this isnt the thread to do so, but... i was so turned off by the whole xm thing. i just havent felt the desire to make an effort in my day to fit them in. anyway, they could use an mma learning experience, if they truly didnt do anything in the inereviews.

my .02

[Steam]

I haven't been listening to the show much since I don't get it in my car, but Patty still?

YEEECCHHHHHH!!!!

They can't figure out to put Lauzon on?

[( . Y . )]

During the interview with lidell i was hoping that they got joe's name in there. I'm pretty sure if he heard lauzon's name chuck would've said "oh yea joe's a badass, and looks like a psycho internet kid". that was a missed oppurtunity.

someone needs to get copies of the previous shows to OnA and show them some of the episodes. and then show them joe's segments on the show. It's pretty much a highlight video for him, especially that crazy missed elbow from his first fight. There are youtube highlight vids of joe, send them to the show.

Opie already said he can't watch the fighting, which is kind of weird. But jimmy and anthony seemed intrigued. i would say give em a break they're trying.

I wouldn't worry about mr. lauzon though. From all the exposure and what i've read on other mma forums. He is getting mad respect. I haven't read one bad thing about him. He'll go far. He's well spoken, an animal in the ring/cage, and THOSE EARS.

what i want to see is a Joe vs. Jorge rematch!!!

[StonerJack]

I need to see Joe vs Fisher. Joe's brother Dan had him in some bad spots before he lost, and after KOing Jens I'd like to see Joe run right through MFS's LW's.
As far as O&A go, fuck it, they don't know shit about sports in general let alone MMA, it would have been cool, but whatever. Remember when Rogan hung out after they left for the day? Did like an hour on MMA, would love to have him do that again, then Joe could come in and we could hear some knowledgeable and more importantly, funny MMA talk from 2 Mass guys.

[mendozathejew]

this is the last Im gona whine about this subject, but Joe is a fan of the show. he's said so in an interview long before he joined wackbag and was selected for TUF. its not too late to get joe in studio and make it right. maybe after the season ends, and just do right by him as a fan (like the boys typically do). hopefully

[Palerider4146]

I'm usually not a bitch about the show kind of guy, but somebody dropped the ball on this one. Joe is on one of the hottest cable shows out there right now involved with what some describe as the next Nascar, and the guy has been a long time (old Boston days) fan. That is a bit of an insult compared to some of the waste of times that they put on the show.

[burky79]

Remember when Rogan hung out after they left for the day? Did like an hour on MMA, would love to have him do that again, then Joe could come in and we could hear some knowledgeable and more importantly, funny MMA talk from 2 Mass guys.


hell yeah, i remember that.
good call.
Rogan with Joe as a guest would rule.

Maybe talke Joe into doing a Sunday (day after fight night) show on XM, with replays.

Rogan rules.

[highway23]

Anyone watch IFL? It's on right now 2 hours...

there are some solid fights on here every week

[mendozathejew]

Anyone watch IFL? It's on right now 2 hours...

there are some solid fights on here every week

I was just going to post about WEC and its new series on the Vs channel. its getting great reviews, their first shows have been better than ultimate fight news in alot of peoples opinions.

assuming you enjoy watching smaller guys go at it. its on VS right now

[highway23]

I don't get that channel damnit!

[( . Y . )]

I'm starting to like vs. since the wec event. i tried to watch the tapout show but can't stand the guys.

[Palerider4146]

BTW, UFC FIght night is on Spike tonight at 9, is it me, or did they not really advertise this one very much.

[mendozathejew]

BTW, UFC FIght night is on Spike tonight at 9, is it me, or did they not really advertise this one very much.

I had no idea

[MikeyP]

Really good bunch of fights tonight...
1st round of the Fisher/Stout fight just ended and I'm literally on the edge of my seat for this one!

[Standby]

I seriously did not realize this was on until 8:59 PM last night. DVR'd it, haven't watched it in full just yet...

[BelatedAbortion]

Really good bunch of fights tonight...
1st round of the Fisher/Stout fight just ended and I'm literally on the edge of my seat for this one!

Awesome fights last night. Best fight night by far. The two that ended in under a minute were unreal, those dudes got KILLED. Drew McFedries is a BEAST. First his embarassment of Sakara, then the r@ping of that bulgarian Jordan Radev last night, WOW.

The Fisher/Stout fight was awesome. Fisher really made a statement by standing with Stout and winning every exchange, and the lightweight bout between Thiago Tavares and Jason Black was awesome. Tavares put on a BJJ clinic, I'm sure Rogan was asking Tavares for an autograph after that display.

What that Fight Night really showed was how deep the Lightweight and Welterweight divisions are. I mean there's so much talent in the UFC right now and they keep adding more and more great fighters from around the world. The future is definitely bright for Dana White.

[Kid Brock]

Not that anyone would care, but I am going to sign up for Couture's gym here in Las Vegas soon. It is only $90 a month to go twice a week or $150 a month gets you unlimited workouts at the gym.

[Larz]

Not that anyone would care, but I am going to sign up for Couture's gym here in Las Vegas soon. It is only $90 a month to go twice a week or $150 a month gets you unlimited workouts at the gym.


$150 is fucking cheap! Thats only $10 more than my Muay Thai gym. Does it include instruction/sparring??

[Kid Brock]

$150 is fucking cheap! Thats only $10 more than my Muay Thai gym. Does it include instruction/sparring??


Yep. Obviously not instruction at the same time as the A team, but does have group instruction times for the amateurs.

[Larz]

Yep. Obviously not instruction at the same time as the A team, but does have group instruction times for the amateurs.


Thats a great deal. If you join up post a review here.

[av8rOC]

Anyone catch the PPV yesterday? I was at the virus tour. Looking to find some fights online now.
Please dont post spoilers yet! But post a link if you find some fights online.

[MikeyP]

I won't post spoilers, but I will say that some of the fights were really good fights. Some, not so good.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I won't post spoilers, but I will say that some of the fights were really good fights. Some, not so good.

Could post the spoilers with the hidden thing for us cheap fucks?

[Kid Brock]

Franklin beat Okami in the most boring fight ever.

[filthgrinder]

Franklin beat Okami in the most boring fight ever.



I wouldn't call it the most boring fight ever. Sanchez/Kos was more of a snooze fest as was Herring/O'Brien. The third round saved it from being the worst ever. If Okami went like that from the start it would have been an excellent fight. He had a couple of chances where I thought he had the fight won but Franklin was able to escape.

[commish13]

Most boring ever? Have you SEEN Shamrock/Gracie from UFC 5?

[BelatedAbortion]

I wouldn't call it the most boring fight ever. Sanchez/Kos was more of a snooze fest as was Herring/O'Brien. The third round saved it from being the worst ever. If Okami went like that from the start it would have been an excellent fight. He had a couple of chances where I thought he had the fight won but Franklin was able to escape.


I'm definitely a Clay Guida fan after his little battle. I thought he should have won the decision over Tyson Griffin. Tyson got the better of the standup but Clay really pulled it out in the 3rd. Franklin is apparently way stronger than I gave him credit for, I thought Okami was going to power him around, and in the end Yushin gave him too much space. That Kimora was DEEP man!

[av8rOC]

I guess we can chill on the spoilers now...cause I cant fugure out how to do it:rolleyes:


I wouldn't say that fight was the most boring fight ever. The third round was one of the best rounds I have ever seen. How the hell Franklin got out of the kimora is beyond me. I honestly expected Okami to win but I am looking forward to a rematch with Silva. (If he can get past Nate)


Anyone catch the hype show last night for the Penn/Pulver fight? I fell asleep halfwar through because I honestly cant bring myself to think Pulver has a shot in hell. I am always excited to watch BJ fight but this one ends in first round submission.
Hey at least its free this time;)

[BelatedAbortion]

I guess we can chill on the spoilers now...cause I cant fugure out how to do it:rolleyes:


I wouldn't say that fight was the most boring fight ever. The third round was one of the best rounds I have ever seen. How the hell Franklin got out of the kimora is beyond me. I honestly expected Okami to win but I am looking forward to a rematch with Silva. (If he can get past Nate)


Anyone catch the hype show last night for the Penn/Pulver fight? I fell asleep halfwar through because I honestly cant bring myself to think Pulver has a shot in hell. I am always excited to watch BJ fight but this one ends in first round submission.
Hey at least its free this time;)

I hate to sound like some faggot trainer, but Jens has more heart than Penn could muster on his best day. BJ has amazing talent, he's an astounding grappler, but he's lost a lot along the way. He lost his will to be a champion a long time ago and he can't seem to create that urgency. Jens is driven, and willing to sacrifice, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. BJ Penn is a multimillionaire because his family owns the Hawaii version of Comcast, he doesn't need to fight, and his head isn't there.

I think Jens is going to eek this one out.

[( . Y . )]

I'm from hawaii, i didn't know bj's family owns Oceanic Cable. It's part of Time Warner cable. I have mixed feelings about BJ, i was a fan because he has talent and is a "local boy" but i've heard many bad things about him. My cousin owns a mma gym in hawaii. and they've had run ins with BJ and his crew. Of course this is third hand and i didn't see it personally.

On a side note mma gyms in hawaii are popping up all over the place there. It's like 7-11s and Starbucks.

[BelatedAbortion]

There's a lot of Kenpo in Hawaii too right? Great fighters have come out of Hawaii, Kendall Grove and Chuck Liddell to name a few.

[( . Y . )]

yea there are also tons of traditional martial arts in hawaii too. Judo is one of the most popular high school sport behind football. there are also mma events like every or every other weekend. mostly small and amateur but still the interest is there. you can pretty much pick and choose what kind of gym you want to join.

the one bad thing about being stuck in hawaii is the lack of variety in competition. In the "mainland" you can just goto another state and fight different fighters. but in hawaii you pretty much fight other schools in the same state. that's one reason why some fighters like mayhem miller and robbie lawler from the mainland do well in the competitions there.

[av8rOC]

I think Jens is going to eek this one out.


Willing to bet????:action-sm

[( . Y . )]

interesting mention on Joe, he made no excuses or anything for his loss to manny. The chipped elbow had to be from that missed elbow in the first fight. he drove it right into the matt. lots of respect for joe.


“What really happened and what was shown on TV were sometimes two different things. But that’s what being on a reality show is. There are directors and producers. A lot of the real behind the scenes stuff like Joe Lauzon coming in with a fractured hand or having a chipped bone in his elbow after one of his fights were not made known. He went into that fight with Manny with three injuries that I normally wouldn’t let guys fight with but with his determination…that kid is tough. I’ll just say that. I really respect that kid. I like him a lot and he has world championship potential” says Valentino.

Source:
http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3702

[MikeyP]

Alright Joe! Bring the belt back to Wackbag!

Hey, if you're still around... Seriously man, I was pulling for ya. Both because you're a -bagger/fellow fan, but also because you really put on some good fights and showed a tremendous amount of skill.

Good luck this weekend! I really hope they show your match.

[mendozathejew]

some interesting betting lines up on bodog. Im not sure Id bet on any of them, but they are decent odds

penn -325
pulver +250

a. silva -175
mraquardt +145

sherk -210
franca +170

ortiz -150
evans +120

[av8rOC]

Rashad all day long at plus 120!!!!

[Kid Brock]

Rashad all day long at plus 120!!!!


Agreed. I think Evans rolls over Ortiz.

[av8rOC]

Agreed. I think Evans rolls over Ortiz.

Yep...Rashad is too good of a wrestler and wont allow Tito to take down and GnP (titos ONLY strength). Evans by KO.

[Kid Brock]

FWIW: BJ Penn has already cut down to 159 as of last week. To me that shows he is actually taking this fight serious and as most of us know a in shape BJ Penn is a dangerous one.

[Larz]

Rashad all day long at plus 120!!!!

I agree. We know Ortiz is just going to shoot+gnp. Rashad has a good wrestling background and he knows whats comin. If he's smart he'll keep it standing and only go for takedowns when Ortiz is wide open.

I will say Greg Jackson fucked up on startegy with Sanchez. But i'm tempted to put a little down on this 1.

[Cromwell]

The Fisher/Stout fight was awesome. Fisher really made a statement by standing with Stout and winning every exchange, and the lightweight bout between Thiago Tavares and Jason Black was awesome. Tavares put on a BJJ clinic



Yeah, both those fights were great. I've finally got a chance last night to sit down and watch all the stuff I've been DVR recording. All the Bodog Fight, IFL, WEC, and that last UFC event. You gotta admit, there's a lot of MMA to watch on TV lately.


What that Fight Night really showed was how deep the Lightweight and Welterweight divisions are.

Definitely. The lighter weigh classes are really coming on strong. And like Mendoza said, there's even a solid 145 lb class in that World Extreme Cage Fighting league.

Not that anyone would care, but I am going to sign up for Couture's gym here in Las Vegas soon. It is only $90 a month to go twice a week or $150 a month gets you unlimited workouts at the gym.

Dude - that's awesome. I'm looking to join some different styles of gyms myself. The current Goshin Budo style ju jitsu dojo I belong to is good - but I feel I need to train and learn more. Like Larz says, keep us posted on what goes on there.


FWIW: BJ Penn has already cut down to 159 as of last week. To me that shows he is actually taking this fight serious and as most of us know a in shape BJ Penn is a dangerous one.

I'm looking forward to Saturday night's fights.

[Kid Brock]

Dude - that's awesome. I'm looking to join some different styles of gyms myself. The current Goshin Budo style ju jitsu dojo I belong to is good - but I feel I need to train and learn more. Like Larz says, keep us posted on what goes on there.


Looks like I will be out of town 3 out of the next 4 weeks so it will be a month or so before I sign up. I have a friend that trains there, he is a former UNLV boxer and really seems to enjoy the diversity that Randy's gym offers. I am going to really increase my cardio between now and then so I will at least have a 50% chance of making it through a workout there.

[Cromwell]

I have a friend that trains there, he is a former UNLV boxer and really seems to enjoy the diversity that Randy's gym offers.


Yeah, some of the guys from my dojo go out to train at Randy's. They also go out and train with Linland too.


I am going to really increase my cardio between now and then so I will at least have a 50% chance of making it through a workout there.


Ha! :icon_mrgr

Hey - at least good cardio is one of the things you can control.

Getting caught in some sick triangle choke - now that worries me. :icon_surp

[Larz]

Getting caught in some sick triangle choke - now that worries me. :icon_surp

This is so fucking true. I'm 24 and I've been feeling the onset of old man strength cause I'm lifting heavier with the less effort than ever before. But the flip side is my flexibility has gone to shit. My 14 year old brother was showing me some obscure armbar he learned the other day and I could feel my shoulder separate with zero pressure.

[niklbag]

kick his ass joe!

[Palerider4146]

Hey Cromwell, and any other tristate bagges, my soon to be ex is taking my daughter on vacation and I will be a free man on 7/7 for UFC 73. So where the hell are we meeint at to watch this together. Palerider needs some guy time! I'm up for a ride out to the Island or something else similiar. Any ideas?

[mendozathejew]

couple of interesting pictures. couture was hanging out with de la hoya and bernard hopkins this week.
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/95/fullj.getty-box-usa-de_la_hoya-couture-hopkins_6_15_51_pm.jpg
rampage and floyd mayweahter boozing together in vegas
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z311/jfisk82/floyd-mayweather-rampage-jackson.jpg

[Kid Brock]

$150 is fucking cheap! Thats only $10 more than my Muay Thai gym. Does it include instruction/sparring??


http://www.xtremecouture.tv/Memberships_SignUp.htm


Check out how much Randy charges for private instruction with him or I bet after a few months of the $450 VIP Gold Memebership you could make some strides in your game.

[Larz]

http://www.xtremecouture.tv/Memberships_SignUp.htm
Check out how much Randy charges for private instruction with him or I bet after a few months of the $450 VIP Gold Memebership you could make some strides in your game.

$450 is just too rich for my blood even for a Randy lesson... but I looked at the various group classes and I really liked the the whole $150 package of classes including the MMA yoga of all things. my joints and flexibility are fucked up, I looked into yoga here in the city and same fucking bullshit of $20 a class or $140 for a month of classes.

$150 and you get everything under 1 roof?? It almost seems a little too good to believe. The weight area looked kinda sparse but it has the basic requirements, free weights with a pulldown machine, legpress, and some benches. I'd sign up in a heartbeat if randy had a gym around here.

[Kid Brock]

$450 is just too rich for my blood even for a Randy lesson... but I looked at the various group classes and I really liked the the whole $150 package of classes including the MMA yoga of all things. my joints and flexibility are fucked up, I looked into yoga here in the city and same fucking bullshit of $20 a class or $140 for a month of classes.

$150 and you get everything under 1 roof?? It almost seems a little too good to believe. The weight area looked kinda sparse but it has the basic requirements, free weights with a pulldown machine, legpress, and some benches. I'd sign up in a heartbeat if randy had a gym around here.

The $450/month only gets you (2) personal Randy lessons a year. He gets $500/hour for private time.

I agree the weight room isn't superb there, but I can get that @ 24 hour fitness down the street. Once my schedule settles down a little I am going to get a day pass to see if I like it.

[Palerider4146]

Randy's gym looks pretty cool, and the prices are pretty reasonable. Next time I get to Vegas I may try a day pass for it just to see. My question is this on top of his Legends Gym deal with Bas or did he pull out of it. It looks like he's getting branches of his gym around the country. Could be cool to get one in the tristate are.

[mendozathejew]

Randy's gym looks pretty cool, and the prices are pretty reasonable. Next time I get to Vegas I may try a day pass for it just to see. My question is this on top of his Legends Gym deal with Bas or did he pull out of it. It looks like he's getting branches of his gym around the country. Could be cool to get one in the tristate are.

its really curious that he was hanging out at with de la hoya this week for no known reason. maybe it was business

[highfive]

We got fights tonights.....and they are free!!! One that I hope to see for free tomorrow on the net is the Kimbo vs Mercer fight. BTW....who would pay for that????

[av8rOC]

Penn by brutal embarassment first round

[Kid Brock]

Randy's gym looks pretty cool, and the prices are pretty reasonable. Next time I get to Vegas I may try a day pass for it just to see. My question is this on top of his Legends Gym deal with Bas or did he pull out of it. It looks like he's getting branches of his gym around the country. Could be cool to get one in the tristate are.

Randy still owns Legends with Bas in L.A. also.

http://www.legendsmma.com/

[Chino Kapone]

i really hope Jens whoops the snot outta BJ tonite. Go Joe!

[MikeyP]

i really hope Jens whoops the snot outta BJ tonite. Go Joe!


Yeah, me too.

Also, Joe Lauzon looked absolutely SICK tonight. While Brandon Melendez seemed a lot better than I thought, Joe really demonstrated a ton of skill and ability.

I definitely hope he makes a big name for himself.

[highfive]

Why was Rogan all over Gray??? I understand that he knocked himself out however Emerson tapped....end of stroy.

[Palerider4146]

wow, only one post during the fights. Great job Rance, great triangle.

To bad for Manny, I think he would have worn Diaz down had it continued. And BJ looked pretty good there. I couldnt get on his website though, fucking nut that he is.

[Palerider4146]

Why was Rogan all over Gray??? I understand that he knocked himself out however Emerson tapped....end of stroy.


If that is the rule, then Hughes/Newton II should have been a NC also. The ref didnt realize that Gray was out, he just heard and saw the verbal tap.

[highfive]

If that is the rule, then Hughes/Newton II should have been a NC also. The ref didnt realize that Gray was out, he just heard and saw the verbal tap.

Exactly.....the ref had NO idea Gray was out. He was looking at Emerson and waving an end to the fight. Emerson sucks. I have no idea why they try and hype him up. He lost on the the show to a guy that fought 1 MMA fight.

[mendozathejew]

We got fights tonights.....and they are free!!! One that I hope to see for free tomorrow on the net is the Kimbo vs Mercer fight. BTW....who would pay for that????

why? ray mercer hasnt been good since 1991


Strikeforce had a great event friday night, Frank SHamrock against Phil Baroni, and Cung Le is extremely exciting he had a great win also over Fryklund

heres the links they are both worth watching,pretty exciting
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/frank%2Bshamrock/video/x2covi_strikeforce-frank-shamrock-vs-phil

http://www.dailymotion.com/Mcouenne/video/x2cpal_strikeforce-cung-le-vs-tony-fryklun

[mendozathejew]

and BJ looked awesome tonight. thats the most fit hes looked since he was first a lightweight.

great job by Joe as well. looks like he learned alot from BJ

[niklbag]

did kimbo fight yet?

[mendozathejew]

kimbo won by gullitine. or however the fuck you spell it. kimbo was smart and didnt trade with mercer, who is a senior citizen just showing up for a paycheck.

[niklbag]

any videos of it yet? im dying to watch it.

[mendozathejew]

any videos of it yet? im dying to watch it.

between the strike force ppv with frank shamrock and baroni friday, ultimate fight night and ricky hatton ppv tonight, I dont think too many people were checking it out. maybe casual fans of fighting were but not hardcore mma fans. I'll post it if I see it though

try the strike force links I posted in the mean time. great action in both fights

[m0nket]

Joe looked awesome tonight. The Manny fight helped him alot.

Nate is awesome but didnt have his best fight tonight. Manny is a warrior but he is lacking that little something extra it takes to make a great fighter. He really needs to learn how to finish.

BJ kicked Pens ass, which made me very happy. I watched the first fight and IMO BJ should have won. Pens had been talking way too much shit for someone who won a split decision. But he did win over a new fan tonight, he took the L with alot of class.

The Grey fight.. the call was pure BS.
I don't care if Grey was knocked out or not. The FACT is the ref did not know that when he stopped the fight. A tap out turning into a draw is beyond stupid.

[mendozathejew]

The Grey fight.. the call was pure BS.
I don't care if Grey was knocked out or not. The FACT is the ref did not know that when he stopped the fight. A tap out turning into a draw is beyond stupid.

I agree, if a fighter wants to top to an unconcsious opponent, so bet it. and grey did the damage on an offensive move, so i dont think it even compares to matt hughes vs newton 1, where hughes questionably got the win. that was a situation where hughes was holding newton up, while in a triangle, got chocked out, and newton got knocked out during the fall.

[( . Y . )]

Tonights ufc show was better than the payperview event. All the fights were good. The no contest was pretty much a BS call. If it was called a no contest then the Hughes vs. Newton one should've been no contest also, but matt won the fight. the way BOTH fighters acted after the fight was sad though. maynard just didn't accept that he was out from the headbutt to the mat and emerson kept saying he was already injured and that's why he tapped.

Joe looked damn good. Nice takedowns great timing, and a sweet triangle in a hard position against the fence. maybe now they can get joe on the show. I wish i had a clip of his first fight on TUF5 so i could send it into the show.

Bj held on to the choke way too long, you could tell there was legit bad blood and not just hamming it up for the camera. If i was dana i would actually fine him for holding onto the choke too long.

I was never a fan of baroni and it made me laugh when frank did the taunt during the fight.

[mendozathejew]

I was never a fan of baroni and it made me laugh when frank did the taunt during the fight.

that was a perfectly pulled off taunt. muhammed ali would be proud.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8277/frankshamrockphilbaroniqp9.gif

what did you think of the Cung Le fight? Ive been thinking that he waited to long to leave San Shao and enter MMA but he looks good. and people dont realize he was an all american wrestler. Ive got to see his take down D and ground game before I believe hes ready for the top fighters but he looks damn good

[Cromwell]

Tonights ufc show was better than the payperview event. All the fights were good.


Agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed all the fights.



The no contest was pretty much a BS call. If it was called a no contest then the Hughes vs. Newton one should've been no contest also, but matt won the fight. the way BOTH fighters acted after the fight was sad though. maynard just didn't accept that he was out from the headbutt to the mat and emerson kept saying he was already injured and that's why he tapped.


Maynard should have gotten the decision.



Joe looked damn good. Nice takedowns great timing, and a sweet triangle in a hard position against the fence.


He was great. Fought his, as expected, intelligent fight. Three cheers for IT geeks who are also athletes :icon_mrgr


maybe now they can get joe on the show. I wish i had a clip of his first fight on TUF5 so i could send it into the show.


The staff should know who he is by now.


Bj held on to the choke way too long, you could tell there was legit bad blood and not just hamming it up for the camera. If i was dana i would actually fine him for holding onto the choke too long.


I'm not so sure about that. BJ had his eyes closed and was just going for it hard. I think once he realized that Pulver had tapped, he let it go in time. Its not like Jens was really hurt or anything. BJ's got the talent, but I have a lot of respect for the overall *toughness* of Pulver. He's going to be a force at 145. Uriah better be ready.

[( . Y . )]

what did you think of the Cung Le fight? Ive been thinking that he waited to long to leave San Shao and enter MMA but he looks good. and people dont realize he was an all american wrestler. Ive got to see his take down D and ground game before I believe hes ready for the top fighters but he looks damn good

I was there when he fought shonnie carter and talked to him after the event. back then i asked him if he wanted to go to pride. he said then he wanted to promote san shou more. one of the nicest and humble guys i've met. if he started mma back then i do believe he would be a high ranker today. starting this late it'll be uphill for him. i wish him all the luck, and his wife was fucking hot as shit!

on a side note anyone watching Fight Girls?? gotta love master toddy fucking dirty old man. he my hero.

[( . Y . )]

I'm not so sure about that. BJ had his eyes closed and was just going for it hard. I think once he realized that Pulver had tapped, he let it go in time. Its not like Jens was really hurt or anything. BJ's got the talent, but I have a lot of respect for the overall *toughness* of Pulver. He's going to be a force at 145. Uriah better be ready.

when you roll you know when someone is tapping and let go immediately so you don't hurt them. It's almost becomes instinct. of course i don't know for sure, but I think that he wanted to put jens to sleep. From what i saw he only let go when the ref jumped in.

Uriah vs. Pulver is going to be sweet. i'll be waiting for that one. Also why not a Lauzon vs. Pulver rematch. I'm sure jens would love to try and avenge his loss.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

What a great night of fights. BJ got serious about his conditioning and it showed.

The no contest call was crap. Emerson tapped, thus then, Gray wins in my book, regardless if he did knock himself out.

The look on Matt Hughes face when BJ sunk that RNC was priceless. Guess he was having flashbacks of his own bout with Penn.

[Palerider4146]

He's going to be a force at 145. Uriah better be ready.


Damn straight, that is going to be a war between those two. I didnt realize that Jens doesnt even cut weight for 155. Hey Cromwell, did you catch my earlier post, are you doing anything for the next PPV on 7/7? My ex is going away (no not for a boat ride in Modesto you silly goose) and taking my daughter, so I'm free. Let me know.

[Chino Kapone]

great fights last night. The only reason i can see why Dana would hype up Emerson is because he is a "pretty boy." It seems like he would be a favorite among the ladies unlike a lot of the other caulifour eared mother fuckers in the UFC. Grey dominated that fight and should have won.

Joe was the shit last night. He did a great job. I was dissapointed to see Pulver lose just because he seemed really genuine about caoching on the show where as BJ just was there to fight Jens and didnt really seem interested in training at all . It seemed like every clip of BJ's training session was him sitting on the floor talking about how he was gonna whoop Jens ass.

From the fights tonite it looks like 155 is gonna be stacked. Even the first fight with the Hispanic guy and the guy from Alaska was really good.

The UFC over-delivers every time. It gives me chills and makes me wanna start training again.

[( . Y . )]

Another event that happened over the weekend was MFC event. Russian fighters vs Korean fighters basically. A notable match was Fedor's protoge Kiril Sidelnikov, he's one of fedor's up and coming fighters and is only 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29d49TCjqa4

[highfive]

Another event that happened over the weekend was MFC event. Russian fighters vs Korean fighters basically. A notable match was Fedor's protoge Kiril Sidelnikov, he's one of fedor's up and coming fighters and is only 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29d49TCjqa4

Only 19?? he looks pretty good.

[Larz]

Bj held on to the choke way too long, you could tell there was legit bad blood and not just hamming it up for the camera. If i was dana i would actually fine him for holding onto the choke too long.


I agree 100%. There are few fighters I genuinely hate but Royce Gracie tops my list with his constant refusal to release after the tap in the old UFC days. Penn obviously held the choke and should be fined.

[mendozathejew]

urcgzzGuPkQ
cung le has some of the most exciting stand up in mma.

[mobybeaver]

After seeing the fight I can understand why people think the cung le fight was a work. No one takes that many kicks to the head without shooting in for a takedown unless someone pays them to keep the fight standing.

[mendozathejew]

who thinks it was a work? some cunts over at sherdog?

fryklund went for 3 shoots and got stuffed. cung was a state wrestling champ in california, and if youve ever seen his fights from san shou, he has amazing throws. tony wanted to stand

[Palerider4146]

After seeing the fight I can understand why people think the cung le fight was a work. No one takes that many kicks to the head without shooting in for a takedown unless someone pays them to keep the fight standing.


I'm not doubting his stand up, but I would like to see what would happen if he was taken down to the ground against say Hughes' Ground and Pound or Serra's BJJ.

[Larz]

I'm not doubting his stand up, but I would like to see what would happen if he was taken down to the ground against say Hughes' Ground and Pound or Serra's BJJ.

Cung Le is highly skilled and fun to watch... but yeah I'm not really gonna be a believer on the MMA side until he is tested and fights some A-Listers. At WW you can add St. Pierre and Penn as fighters that would also give him huge problems. At MW he's got no chance at all (Henderson, A silva, filho, lindland, franklin etc..).

Something about going to a decision with Shonie Carter in San Shou also gives me doubts.

[mobybeaver]

who thinks it was a work? some cunts over at sherdog?Dunno about sherdog, but it was brought up a lot at mma.tv/tuf

[mendozathejew]

Something about going to a decision with Shonie Carter in San Shou also gives me doubts.

well all he did in san shou was scissor trip people and slam them, racking up points. my opinion is that he made the jump to full mma too late, but hes very good, and he can grapple/wrestle/ and judo toss people.

san shou is alot more like mma than k1 kickboxing

[Kid Brock]

well all he did in san shou was scissor trip people and slam them, racking up points. my opinion is that he made the jump to full mma too late, but hes very good, and he can grapple/wrestle/ and judo toss people.

san shou is alot more like mma than k1 kickboxing


Some of those scissor trips came out of nowhere though. :) To me he was the only thing I could watch in san shou for years. I do wish he made the switch to mma earlier, but he is still young enough to make an impact.

[Cromwell]

when you roll you know when someone is tapping and let go immediately so you don't hurt them. It's almost becomes instinct. of course i don't know for sure, but I think that he wanted to put jens to sleep. From what i saw he only let go when the ref jumped in.


You could be right. Either way, they kinda did the hug and makeup thing that Ortiz and Shamrock did at the end of their "fued".



Uriah vs. Pulver is going to be sweet. i'll be waiting for that one.


That Favor is one impressive little 145 lber. I defintely want to see that fight.


Also why not a Lauzon vs. Pulver rematch. I'm sure jens would love to try and avenge his loss.

Good point.

Whadda say, Rance? :icon_wink



What a great night of fights. BJ got serious about his conditioning and it showed.


Seriously. So - now he's going back up to welterweight? To fight either of (or both) St. Pierre and Hughes?


The no contest call was crap. Emerson tapped, thus then, Gray wins in my book, regardless if he did knock himself out.


The refs blew it.


The look on Matt Hughes face when BJ sunk that RNC was priceless. Guess he was having flashbacks of his own bout with Penn.

I was thinking the same thing. I can't wait to see Hughes fight again. Are we going to have to wait till the end of the *next* TUF series? Surely, Serra will have to defend his title before then?



Damn straight, that is going to be a war between those two. I didnt realize that Jens doesnt even cut weight for 155. Hey Cromwell, did you catch my earlier post, are you doing anything for the next PPV on 7/7? My ex is going away (no not for a boat ride in Modesto you silly goose) and taking my daughter, so I'm free. Let me know.

Yeah - I'm down for it. How do you want to work it. (You can PM me with the boring details - where to watch it, etc- unless anybody wants in and has some suggestions of where to watch it).

[( . Y . )]

http://gallery.upshizzle.com/albums/06.07/BJ%20chokes%20out%20Jens%20Hughes%20cries.gif

this just makes me laugh.

[browndawg311]

word around other mma websites is that joe is moving to hawaii to train full time with bj.

[novalia]

Reality guru Burnett ready for martial arts combat

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Reality producer Mark Burnett is developing a primetime series involving the bone-crunching sport of mixed martial arts.

The man behind "Survivor" and "The Apprentice" has teamed with ProElite Inc., which organizes professional MMA events, to produce the project, according to a recent filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Mixed martial arts is a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, a sport that emerged in the early '90s. It showcases a unique mix of judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujutsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques. MMA is still controversial, and events have been approved in fewer than half of U.S states.

ProElite, which produces professional MMA events through its EliteXC division and runs the MMA social networking site ProElite.com, already has a presence on television. Showtime has been carrying live EliteXC matches since February, when the premium cable network made an investment in the company and signed an exclusive programming agreement.

Burnett, a former British commando, is said to be fascinated with martial arts and the martial arts culture. He previously took a stab at developing a martial arts reality series in 2002.

Two years ago, through a joint venture with DreamWorks, he produced NBC's boxing-themed reality series "The Contender." In addition to producing the show, the joint venture company received an equity stake in boxing brand Everlast and organized the "Contender" finale at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

[Cromwell]

http://gallery.upshizzle.com/albums/06.07/BJ%20chokes%20out%20Jens%20Hughes%20cries.gif

this just makes me laugh.


Actually, when you isolate it like that, it does appear that BJ held the choke way too long. You can't tell me he didn't feel Pulver tapping. The ref practically had to rip his arms off.

As for Hughes - so what? He was in his friends (Militech teammates) corner. Of course he going to be initially sad for his pal. I wonder who Hughes would root for if Pulver and Sherk fought?



word around other mma websites is that joe is moving to hawaii to train full time with bj.


What about his IT job?



Reality guru Burnett ready for martial arts combat
Burnett, a former British commando, is said to be fascinated with martial arts and the martial arts culture. He previously took a stab at developing a martial arts reality series in 2002.

Two years ago, through a joint venture with DreamWorks, he produced NBC's boxing-themed reality series "The Contender." In addition to producing the show, the joint venture company received an equity stake in boxing brand Everlast and organized the "Contender" finale at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.


Ooooh - More competition for Dana. First Calvin Ayre - then whomever it is that runs the IFL - now this.

Hey - the more MMA the better. :icon_cool

[( . Y . )]

gotta luv it MMA just went to the next level.

i give you MIDGET MMA

http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=320395

[browndawg311]

Quote:
Originally Posted by browndawg311
word around other mma websites is that joe is moving to hawaii to train full time with bj.


What about his IT job?

he can make a lot more money fighting then an it job and im sure if he wanted to still work he can get a job there (hawaii). but hey i might not have a fucking clue what im talking about

[Palerider4146]

Hey fellow Wackbag MMA fans, heres the deal. I have my house to myself on July 7th (soon to be ex is going away on vacation and taking lil Palerider with her). I'm looking to host the next UFC PPV that night. So far I have one taker. I live in Hazlet, NJ in Monmouth county. That's about 15 mins south of the Outerbridge Crossing (the last bridge in Staten Island). Any interested in coming out feel free to join in. I do like my house still, so this wont be any housewrecking party, but still looking to have a good time. Anyone interested feel free to PM me. Talk to you soon. Palerider

[Cromwell]

I do like my house still, so this wont be any housewrecking party



Alright Johnny Drama - relax - we'll take care of it :icon_wink

For those of you on MySpace - check out this guys page - pretty interesting:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=65628222&MyToken=dd5aab44-ce2c-4136-8e72-96e7d13aeeb9

[( . Y . )]

Joe Lauzon's final article on TUF5. I hope he doesn't stop, maybe get a writing gig reviewing events on one of the mma sites. Class act all the way, a much better representative for mma than Diaz in my opinion. Can't wait for his next fight.

http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=1009098

[Gotti420]

Rumor is BJ Penn is fighting Diego Sanchez at 74. If true the next few UFC's are looking great.

[Palerider4146]

Rumor is BJ Penn is fighting Diego Sanchez at 74. If true the next few UFC's are looking great.


That would be a really good fight, but I think BJ by triangle choke myself. Any thoughts.

[Capt.Caveman]

Rumor is BJ Penn is fighting Diego Sanchez at 74. If true the next few UFC's are looking great.

i heard that too. gotta go with bj

[Palerider4146]

BTW, that card could be shaping up real nicely. You have Randy fighting Gonzaga, which could be a real good fight, also Joe Stevenson vs Pellegrino, and GSP's return with him fighting Kos.

[Capt.Caveman]

yea mma playground is reporting those fight plus

kendall grove vs patrick cote
travis lutter vs ryan jensen
babalu vs david heath

not as exciting as yours but hey it's info

[Cromwell]

Yeah, 74 is shaping up pretty good.

But we've got 73 this Saturday:

UFC 73: Stacked preview AT ARCO ARENA, SACRAMENTO

SATURDAY, 7 P.M., PAY-PER-VIEW ($39.95)

MAIN CARD

UFC lightweight champion Sean Sherk (35-2-1) vs. Hermes Franca (19-5): Sherk has been hampered by a shoulder injury since beating Kenny Florian for the 155-pound title last October at UFC 64, but the powerful wrestler is healthy and ready to get back in the Octagon for his first title defense. Franca (19-5) has an eight-fight winning streak, winning all by KO or submission.

UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva (18-4) vs. Nate Marquardt (28-6-1): Silva captured the UFC 185-pound title with a devastating first-round TKO over Rich Franklin at UFC 64. The Brazilian superstar is one of the premier strikers in the division and has underrated BJJ skills. Marquardt, a seven-time middleweight King of Pancrase, has recorded impressive victories over Ivan Salaverry, Joe Doerksen, Crafton Wallace and Dean Lister.

Light-heavyweight Tito "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz (16-5) vs. Rashad Evans (15-0): Ortiz, a former five-time defending UFC light-heavyweight champion, is looking to bounce back from a third-round TKO loss to Chuck Liddell at UFC 66. Ortiz, whose specialties are his wrestling, cardio and ground-and-pound skills, will have his hands full against Evans, who won "The Ultimate Fighter 2" heavyweight competition. Evans is a former NCAA Division I wrestler at Michigan State that trains with Greg Jackson's camp in Albuquerque, N.M. Ortiz and Evans have engaged in a vicious war of words outside the Octagon since an altercation at UFC 69.

Heavyweight Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (29-4-1) vs. Heath Herring (27-12-1): Nogueira, a BJJ black belt with some of the best submission skills in MMA, makes his UFC debut against a familiar foe in Herring. Nogueira won a decision against Herring at PRIDE 17 to capture the PRIDE heavyweight title and "Minotauro" submitted Herring with a anaconda choke at PRIDE: Critical Countdown 2004. Nogueira also holds victories over Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, Dan Henderson, Ricco Rodriguez, Josh Barnett, Mark Coleman and Fabricio Werdum.

UNDERCARD

Lightweight Kenny Florian (8-3) vs. Alvin Robinson (9-1): Florian, a BJJ black belt with much improved striking skills, bounced back from his five-round decision loss to Sean Sherk for the vacant UFC 155-pound title with a submission victory over PRIDE veteran Dokonjonosuke Mishima at UFC Fight Night 9. Robinson, a fourth-degree BJJ brown belt and the Ring of Fire lightweight champion, is making his UFC debut.

Light-heavyweight Stephan Bonnar (12-4) vs. Mike Nickels (5-1): Bonnar, a light-heavyweight finalist on the first season of "The Ultimate Fighter," is back after serving a nine-month suspension after testing positive for steroids. Bonnar faces Nickels, a TUF 3 cast member.

Lightweight Jorge Gurgel (13-2) vs. Diego Saraiva (9-4-1): Gurgel and Saraiva were childhood friends from Fortaleza, Brazil. Gurgel made his mark as a cast member of TUF 2, and now trains with former UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin. Saraiva is a BJJ black belt.

Welterweight Chris Lytle (32-14-4) vs. Jason Gilliam (11-1): Lytle is coming off back-to-back decision losses to Matt Serra in the TUF 4 welterweight finals and to former UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes. Gilliam is a former junior college wrestling teammate of Hughes.

Lightweight Frankie Edgar (6-0) vs. Mark Bocek (4-0): Edgar scored a major upset with a decision victory over Tyson Griffin in his UFC debut at UFC 67. Bocek is a decorated Canadian grappler making his UFC debut.

[Palerider4146]

And just a reminder, any baggers interested in getting together for UFC 73 this Sat, I'm holding a get together for it. Just a couple of guys so far, two from wackbag. I'm located in Hazlet, NJ in Monmouth county. Anyone interested feel free to PM me.

[Capt.Caveman]

And just a reminder, any baggers interested in getting together for UFC 73 this Sat, I'm holding a get together for it. Just a couple of guys so far, two from wackbag. I'm located in Hazlet, NJ in Monmouth county. Anyone interested feel free to PM me.

me too. where about? i'm near the new quick check

[Cromwell]

me too. where about? i'm near the new quick check

Cool.

Looks like we're getting a few die-hard MMA 'baggers together.

The more the merrier.

Does anyone have a portable recording device? Either DVD or VCR? I'm not sure about Pale's setup (his TV is supposed to be pretty big and good quality) but last I heard, the recording set up was in doubt at the moment.

Looking forward to seeing these fights.

[Standby]

Blast. If I was in Jersey again I'd join y'all... will be watching at my friend's house in here in VA though.

[Cromwell]

Blast. If I was in Jersey again I'd join y'all... will be watching at my friend's house in here in VA though.

Cool. Maybe nextime, Standby.

Yeah, the fights look pretty interesting.

Here's a decent analysis of the Silva-Marquardt match:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=6642
Nice breakdown of the strategy needed, for Nate to win.

Besides the main event, I'm also looking forward to seeing K-Flo, Nog and Sherk fight again.

[Capt.Caveman]

Cool.

Looks like we're getting a few die-hard MMA 'baggers together.

The more the merrier.

Does anyone have a portable recording device? Either DVD or VCR? I'm not sure about Pale's setup (his TV is supposed to be pretty big and good quality) but last I heard, the recording set up was in doubt at the moment.

Looking forward to seeing these fights.

My brothers SUPPOSED to get the fight. If it falls thru I'll call you guys.

[Cromwell]

If it falls thru I'll call you guys.



Definitely check in, Caveman. Should be cool.

FYI - another good article on one of the undercard fighters
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=6652
This guy has got guts. Would not tap even though his leg was popping. Not many can handle that kind of pain.

[Palerider4146]

ahhh yes my recording, I cant figure this stupid thing that my ex mother in law got me. It's supposed to be a dvd recorder, but doesnt even work half the time.

[7cent]

what time does the fights start?

[Palerider4146]

what time does the fights start?

10pm eastern, 7 pm west coast

[mendozathejew]

without Tito grabbing that fence, as he did in every round, he loses easy to a fighter who he outweighed by over 15 pounds. he did almost NO damage to rashad, all he did was lay and pray, but rarely even end up in a dominant position, just a little bit of control over rashad.

awful performance for Tito, and Rashad truthfully should have been better.

[Standby]

without Tito grabbing that fence, as he did in every round, he loses easy to a fighter who he outweighed by over 15 pounds. he did almost NO damage to rashad, all he did was lay and pray, but rarely even end up in a dominant position, just a little bit of control over rashad.

awful performance for Tito, and Rashad truthfully should have been better.

I think the 4-inch reach advantage for Tito got into the head of Rashad. He's been finishing his fights with strikes from the standup, not even ground and pound. Some idiots behind me at the bar wondered why he was waving his hands like that, but he does that in every fight. He just seemed scared to advance in, throw some punches, and get out or move to the side out of the line of fire.

[Cromwell]

I thought it was a decent night of fights.

First off - big ups to Palerider for hosting the viewing party. Pale, you were the perfect host, and we gotta do it again soon.

Here's a pic of the Palester and myself at the "event" :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/001fixpaleandcrom.jpg
(and one in my sig pic - along with the great Clark Gillies :icon_wink)

As for the fights - yeah, I was surprised to see that Tito couldn't do anymore damage to Rashad than he did. But - Rashad is good at sitting semi-upright (at a 90 degree angle) when Tito kept taking him down - so that Tito could never really unleash his ground and pound elbows (which he did so well against Ken Shamrock, twice).

As for the the other fights - I'm always impressed with Sean Sherks conditioning and overall fitness level. But - sometimes his style is a bit boring. His gameplan is to smother his opponent. Kenny Florian (who was also quite impressive and certainly deserves a title fight rematch) made a not so veiled reference to this when he emphatically stated that he "finishes fights".

Anderson Silva is so deceptively powerful. He just doesn't look as strong as he really is. Marquardt was holding his own and I thought was actually leading when, after he got quickly reversed - Silva just whipped a hammer fist that completely stunned him. After that, the Spider just pounded him into submission. Silva is a devastating striker. Rich Franklin had better devise a solid gameplan for his title fight rematch.

Heath Herring is powerful, but a bit too slow. He didn't take advantage of stunning Nog in the first round, and allowed his opponent to get back into the match and ultimately win it.

[Capt.Caveman]

I thought Heath had Minatauro. what a fuckin dummy. If he woulda kept pounding him the fight coulda been over. plus if that's not antonio ref stops that fight.

[Palerider4146]

Ooooooohhhhhhhh, I made Croms sig pic!!! Yay me! Had a great time Crom, will have to do it again and with more people. I cant wait to get my divorce pad!

As for the fights, Herring should have stopped him when after the kick, why he didnt lay in to him with a GnP is beyond me.

Tito did win the fight, but was lucky. Rashad just was intimidated by the reach and never had a great game plan it seemed. I would like to see a rematch with them though.

Crom was right about Sherk, he is unbelievably conditioned, and will continue to win fights, just dont expect to many stoppages until he works the sub game better or develops a better, more active GnP. I'm looking forward to a rematch with him and Florian which was a battle the first time.

What can you say about silva, watch out Ace.

Nice sub by Lytle, that was a sick reverse triangle armbar, I've never seen that before.

Did everyone get Rances email. Looks like the quiet internet kid is going full time fighter. He has a nice deal with the UFC also with a 9 fight contract. Made $32,400 on his last fight ($400 coming from Melendez fine for not making weight). Good luck Rance and we better see you back on here soon.

[mendozathejew]

BJ Penn vs Sean SHerk is slated for November

thats an interesting matchup. phenomenal skill vs phemonenal strength and conditioning. Im gona go with BJ. hes too talented to bet against him when hes motivated and in shape

[Larz]

BJ Penn vs Sean SHerk is slated for November

thats an interesting matchup. phenomenal skill vs phemonenal strength and conditioning. Im gona go with BJ. hes too talented to bet against him when hes motivated and in shape


The strength vs. skill cancel out in this and it will come down to the first couple of rounds. BJ has a notoriously shallow gas tank. If he can't finish it by round 3 then sherk takes it.

[Sprite]

I haven't read previous posts because I just wanted to remark on the Sherk/Franca fight.

I was in awe of the strength and speed Sean Sherk displayed EVEN in the 5th round. Granted, Franca was tired from being on his back most of the fight, but it actually looked like Sherk had another 2 full-blast rounds left in him. Even more impressive is his chin and his composure after eating some heavy knees that would put the average fighter out cold. I haven't seen many Sherk fights, but I will never miss another.

Can't wait for August 25th which I will be pre-ordering and setting my DVR to record while I'm at the PNC virus show.

[mills]

What was herring's excuse for letting him up? He GnP'd him for about 30 seconds and then he just stopped. That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in an octagon. He should stick to suckerpunching queer japs.


There's no one more fun to watch than anderson Silva. Definitely my favorite fighter. His eccentricity makes him even more entertaining. Anyone see him with his press pass in Nogs corner cheering him on like a fangirl? Brazil's a weird place man.

And stopping ability or no, I don't think I've ever seen anyone on his game more than sherk. He's just all over every single angle.

[Cromwell]

Ooooooohhhhhhhh, I made Croms sig pic!!! Yay me! Had a great time Crom, will have to do it again and with more people.


Good deal, buddy. :icon_wink





Crom was right about Sherk, he is unbelievably conditioned, and will continue to win fights, just dont expect to many stoppages until he works the sub game better or develops a better, more active GnP. I'm looking forward to a rematch with him and Florian which was a battle the first time.


I *really* want to see that rematch. K-Flo is now ripped and ferocious.



What can you say about silva, watch out Ace.


Did you see the look on his face when they panned to camera to him right after the knockout? He looked both shocked and worried.


Nice sub by Lytle, that was a sick reverse triangle armbar, I've never seen that before.


That was impressive - and they should have shown that whole fight. Great comeback by Lytle.


Did everyone get Rances email. Looks like the quiet internet kid is going full time fighter. He has a nice deal with the UFC also with a 9 fight contract. Made $32,400 on his last fight ($400 coming from Melendez fine for not making weight). Good luck Rance and we better see you back on here soon.

Yup. Got it. Good stuff. The sky's the limit for this kid.



BJ Penn vs Sean SHerk is slated for November


At what weight? 155 or 170?


an interesting matchup. phenomenal skill vs phemonenal strength and conditioning. Im gona go with BJ. hes too talented to bet against him when hes motivated and in shape

Yeah, but BJ wins mostly with the BJJ chokeouts. And as we saw with Franca, its kind of hard to choke out Sherk. The guys really doesn't have much of a neck. :icon_mrgr

[Standby]

BJ is staying at 155, so that would be a title fight vs. Sherk.

Problem I had with Sherk is that he didn't seem committed to any of his attempts at finished. Maybe the BJJ and submission skills need to be honed a little more.

Herring just isn't the same fighter, head kick aside, as he was years ago in Pride. It's a shame.

And speaking of Pride, April's the last PPV... with Monson taking out Fujita in the main event, I believe. Are we slowly seeing their death?

[Capt.Caveman]

diego sanchez vs jon fitch on that same card. another good fight. fitch has looked pretty good. i wanna see him against a top welterweight

[Kid Brock]

Not sure if we have ever discussed this in here, but has anyone watched the Tapout reality show on the VS Network? It takes some getting used to, but so far the 3 episodes that are current have been at least interesting. Plus they show quite a few MMA events from the WEC.

http://www.versus.com/nw/article/view/37851/?tf=tapout.tpl&catID=79

[( . Y . )]

Not sure if we have ever discussed this in here, but has anyone watched the Tapout reality show on the VS Network? It takes some getting used to, but so far the 3 episodes that are current have been at least interesting. Plus they show quite a few MMA events from the WEC.

http://www.versus.com/nw/article/view/37851/?tf=tapout.tpl&catID=79

I tried watching the show but i cannot stand the tapout guys, i like their gear and have ordered from them before, but i just can't get past the costumes and attitudes.

[Capt.Caveman]

the mask guy is so douchey he's funny

[Capt.Caveman]

i posted this in it's own thread but i'd figured i'd put it here too. mma fantasy league for anyone interested

www.mmaplayground.com

[mendozathejew]

And speaking of Pride, April's the last PPV... with Monson taking out Fujita in the main event, I believe. Are we slowly seeing their death?

it looks like dana white is gutting Pride of all he wants, and then will let japanese management try and pick up the pieces. good for dana whites ego and plans for ufc, not a good business move for zuffa in my opinion. the japs pack 50 to 70 thousand seat arenas.


BJ Penn brings so much more than franca or just about any other fighter for that matter. hes probably more talented and well rounded than fedor. but like Larz says, you have to favor sherk after round 2 if it gets there.

[mendozathejew]

updates from dana white

-http://www.sportsline.com/mmaboxing/story/10250484

For Pride:



The biggest story in mixed martial arts for 2007 was the UFC purchase of rival organization Pride Fighting Championships. At this point, nothing has been decided about the future of the organization.

"When we bought Pride, we were going to put on events in both Japan and the U.S., but we need to have a TV deal to get it going," White said. "The deal needs to be in both countries."
In the meantime, many of Pride's fighters will be competing in the UFC.

"Pride has some great guys. They have contracts, and they need to fight," White said.


On Fedor:

The champ is coming
Pride heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko has been rumored to be entering the UFC for a quite a few months now. White confirmed that Emelianenko's debut is imminent.

"We are planning to have Fedor fighting in the UFC at the end of 2007 or early 2008," White said.

[Larz]

it looks like dana white is gutting Pride of all he wants, and then will let japanese management try and pick up the pieces. good for dana whites ego and plans for ufc, not a good business move for zuffa in my opinion. the japs pack 50 to 70 thousand seat arenas.


It's weird but Dana White is actually winning me over. We're starting to see some really great cards in the UFC, not just top ranked guys fighting cans or gimmick fights ala Ortiz-Shamrock. If for instance Big Nog had come to the UFC a year ago, theres no way Joe Silva would have matched him against a Heath Herring level fighter on his debut. Now they can afford to risk losses to the big names since the divisions are all fairly deep (and getting deeper). For instance Cro Cop loses to Gonzaga and the UFC basically shrugs it off, where a couple of years ago it would have been a disaster.

They've also moved on from the golden boy era where they needed Hughes, Franklin, and liddel to be the face of the UFC.

I'd hate to see pride become a second rate promotion, but I gotta say I'm liking the new direction of the UFC especially with the agressive matchmaking and no more padding of records.

[Chino Kapone]

I want to see Sherk vs. Huerta. That would be an awesome fight IMO. Two well conditioned guys who can be incredibly explosive for 5 rounds.

Great fight Saturday night. I agree with Mills, Anderson Silva has been favorite fighter ever since he demolished franklin's face. He is one of the most fun fighters to watch. It might be a while before he loses.

[Larz]

"We are planning to have Fedor fighting in the UFC at the end of 2007 or early 2008," White said.

Now thats some good shit.

[Cromwell]

"Baby" J-Lau's latest feature:

http://www.townonline.com/bridgewatereast/sports/x99970002

:icon_wink

[Papagolash]

ESPN.com: What about the rumor that there will be a UFC event in November in New Jersey, at the new New Jersey Devils arena? True?

Dana White: It's true, it's true. It's going to happen. We haven't announced it yet, but it will be a pay-per-view.



WOOOO!!!!!!

[Cromwell]

BJ is staying at 155, so that would be a title fight vs. Sherk.

Problem I had with Sherk is that he didn't seem committed to any of his attempts at finished. Maybe the BJJ and submission skills need to be honed a little more.


Perhaps. Still, at 155 – this works to Sherk’s advantage. When St. Pierre completely dominated Sherk, it was at 170. At 155, BJ won’t have the size advantage to work with. It should be a lot closer of a match.


On Fedor:

The champ is coming
Pride heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko has been rumored to be entering the UFC for a quite a few months now. White confirmed that Emelianenko's debut is imminent.

"We are planning to have Fedor fighting in the UFC at the end of 2007 or early 2008," White said.

Can’t wait.

ESPN.com: What about the rumor that there will be a UFC event in November in New Jersey, at the new New Jersey Devils arena? True?

Dana White: It's true, it's true. It's going to happen. We haven't announced it yet, but it will be a pay-per-view.

WOOOO!!!!!!

Alright! It’s about time.

I mean – if the IFL can do events in New Jersey – why not the UFC?

[Suicidebree]

I'm really looking foward to Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch if it officially gets signed. I'm a huge Fitch supporter and think he can take apart Sanchez.

As far as Sherk vs. Penn goes, I would liek to see it. Though Penn tends to flake out sometimes. I could either see him not training right in which case Sherk would kill him especially if he gets better BJJ. I think he beat Franca on strenghth alone almost no skill aside from wrestling and some stand up. If Penn stays motivated and they fight sooner, Penn would pick him apart. Though I dont know that he could get some holds on Sherk based on his size and strength.

[Standby]

ESPN.com: What about the rumor that there will be a UFC event in November in New Jersey, at the new New Jersey Devils arena? True?

Dana White: It's true, it's true. It's going to happen. We haven't announced it yet, but it will be a pay-per-view.



WOOOO!!!!!!

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh (midget hands)

I knew about this before from one of the many sites, but it still gets me excited. Being at the Rock is news to me, though. I may have to look into a trip up for that...

And still holding out for the Verizon Center down here in DC. MMA just got the go-ahead in the District a few months ago, with the first ever MMA event occurring the same weekend as Mayweather/De La Hoya... hopefully White wasn't just shrugging it off when he said he wanted to come here.

[Palerider4146]

hopefully White wasn't just shrugging it off when he said he wanted to come here.

I doubt it, he is smart enough to realize that the more places he travels to the better. The biggest coup will be NY. Having a MMA event at the garden may be the nail in boxing's coffin. I'm actually surprised that they havnt had a Jersey show sooner, they used to be at AC all the time and have been to the Meadowlands in the past, Ricco even fought there.

[mendozathejew]

if anyone is interested in boxing, two minorities beating brain cells out eachother there will be a very good fight saturday on HBO. its a welterweight triple headrer with gatti fighting a conteder bum on the undercard, but Antonio Margarito vs Paul Williams should be violent for however long it lasts. definitely worth checking out on saturday or later ondemand

[mendozathejew]

I doubt it, he is smart enough to realize that the more places he travels to the better. The biggest coup will be NY. Having a MMA event at the garden may be the nail in boxing's coffin.

Miguel Cotto just had his coming out party in the Garden, with the second highest attendance the garden has had everl, second only to ali frazier I. boxing doesnt have many young white viewers, but if your waiting for its burial you are gone be sadly disappointed

[Palerider4146]

Miguel Cotto just had his coming out party in the Garden, with the second highest attendance the garden has had everl, second only to ali frazier I. boxing doesnt have many young white viewers, but if your waiting for its burial you are gone be sadly disappointed


I guess your right. Was the fight at the garden, or in the theatre?

[mendozathejew]

I guess your right. Was the fight at the garden, or in the theatre?

the Garden. packed house, and then some. obviously Im a huge fan of both sports. I just dont get the argument between the fans of each. and Rogan on ESPN a few months ago says- boxing will have no future stars- a few weeks later miguel cotto packs the garden in with rabid fans like the felix trinidad days and mikkel kessler fills 30K seats in Denmark (hes a fucking Beast of a supermiddlweight). and boxing promoters call mma bar room brawling. its fucking foolish, both sides

[Palerider4146]

I actually dont hate boxing, I hate what some of the promoters have done to the sport. It's hard to compare the two, it's like people who like green apples vs red apples. I think the diehard boxing fans and analysts like Lampley have really been the ones to fan the flames.

[mendozathejew]

I actually dont hate boxing, I hate what some of the promoters have done to the sport. It's hard to compare the two, it's like people who like green apples vs red apples. I think the diehard boxing fans and analysts like Lampley have really been the ones to fan the flames.

he's definitely fanned the flames, but those were mostly started by dana white a former amateur boxer himself. he misses no chances to shit on boxing, even did it on the last ppv preview show on spike. he opens with it.

now we're at a point where guys from each sport, are using eachother for media attention. dana white to floyd mayweather, mayweather fires back and shits on liddell. sherk calls out mayweahter. kermit cintron a champ at 147 who was originally an all american wrestler challenges sherk. it goes back and forth and its worthless. its truly a pissing contest.

and yeah the promoters have fucked up the sport royally. if dana white was in charge of running the middle weight and super middleweight division righ now, youd have extremely high profile matchups highly covered in the media. but boxing promoters are stuck in whatever shitty mode theyve been in. thats actually not completely true, some have been taking notes on what zuffa has done and are trying much harder. in that regard mma is actually going ot make boxing stop with the failing status quo and work harder. probably not hard enough for my liking though

[Capt.Caveman]

the Garden. packed house, and then some. obviously Im a huge fan of both sports. I just dont get the argument between the fans of each. and Rogan on ESPN a few months ago says- boxing will have no future stars- a few weeks later miguel cotto packs the garden in with rabid fans like the felix trinidad days and mikkel kessler fills 30K seats in Denmark (hes a fucking Beast of a supermiddlweight). and boxing promoters call mma bar room brawling. its fucking foolish, both sides

my point on boxing is there are only a few real stars. i can't watch it any more for every good fight there are 25 bad ones. the tap tap hold stuff annoys the hell out of me and i don't even bother watchiing it anymore. i'd rather watch 2 guys have a chess match in a ground war. that's me though. some people find that boring, but i love when a guy rolls out an armbar or hits a sweet triangle. i think lennox lewis ruined boxing. everyone does the tap tap hold now. there are a few boxers who are looking to pound people out but there are WAY to many guys just trying to win on points. if the ufc was allowed in ny they'd sell out the garden in an hour.

[mendozathejew]

my point on boxing is there are only a few real stars. i can't watch it any more for every good fight there are 25 bad ones. the tap tap hold stuff annoys the hell out of me and i don't even bother watchiing it anymore. i'd rather watch 2 guys have a chess match in a ground war. that's me though. some people find that boring, but i love when a guy rolls out an armbar or hits a sweet triangle. i think lennox lewis ruined boxing. everyone does the tap tap hold now. there are a few boxers who are looking to pound people out but there are WAY to many guys just trying to win on points. if the ufc was allowed in ny they'd sell out the garden in an hour.

I dont disagree with bunch of your comments. holding in boxing has to be penalized harshly. lennox lewis was awful entertainment. but no, there are more than a few stars in boxing who sell out stadiums regularly, in title fights or tuneups. the ufc may very well be able to sell out the garden, but not quickly. thats a huge overstatement there.maybe it was supposed to be and I completely missed it, but thats fairyland

[Cromwell]

I'm really looking foward to Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch if it officially gets signed. I'm a huge Fitch supporter and think he can take apart Sanchez.


Its certainly a fight I'd like to see as well. What's going on with all those welterweights now? Yeah, I know that Serra and Hughes are going to be held back to fight each other for the title at the end of the next TUF series - but what's up with guys like Nick Diaz and Karo? Are either of them fighting soon?

We know St. Pierre is fighting Koscheck - so that should be a good one.



As far as Sherk vs. Penn goes, I would liek to see it. Though Penn tends to flake out sometimes. I could either see him not training right in which case Sherk would kill him especially if he gets better BJJ. I think he beat Franca on strenghth alone almost no skill aside from wrestling and some stand up.


I agree. Did you see the shots to the jaw he took? He was willing to take those knees, just to shoot in on him. I don't know if you can train your face to take that or not. Or is it just natural hard-headed ability.


If Penn stays motivated and they fight sooner, Penn would pick him apart. Though I dont know that he could get some holds on Sherk based on his size and strength.

The thing about BJ is he likes to choke out his opponents (see Pulver, Hughes, etc). and Sherk really doesn't have a neck. Franca tried a couple of times but couldn't get a good hold on him.

When St. Pierre dominated Sherk - he did it with *better* takedown ability and a superior ground and pound. I'm not sure BJ can do that to Sherk.

Should be good.

[mills]

I agree. Did you see the shots to the jaw he took? He was willing to take those knees, just to shoot in on him. I don't know if you can train your face to take that or not. Or is it just natural hard-headed ability.
Or can you just be so in shape that your consciousness stamina is raised too? It's all about blood flow and I'm willing to bet his circulatory system's as tuned up as it can be.

[Suicidebree]

Its certainly a fight I'd like to see as well. What's going on with all those welterweights now? Yeah, I know that Serra and Hughes are going to be held back to fight each other for the title at the end of the next TUF series - but what's up with guys like Nick Diaz and Karo? Are either of them fighting soon?

Diaz is suspended till September from the marijuana suspensionf rom his win over Gomi.
Karo seems to want to fight the elder Diaz brother or pretty much anyone who has ever pissed him off. Great fighter, huge asshole. Think he is the guy to beat.
Alves is fighting a japanese guy I've never heard of at fight Night 11. He was suspended for a while.
Sanchez is being rumored to fight Fitch but I dont know. They might wanna feed Fitch someone else to build up his name before he fights Sanchez. Also I'm sure the UFC doesnt want their upcoming star lsoing two in a row. Either way I'm sure Koscheck is down the line for Sanchez.
I think Burkman has some value.
What ever happened to Fickett?

[Capt.Caveman]

I dont disagree with bunch of your comments. holding in boxing has to be penalized harshly. lennox lewis was awful entertainment. but no, there are more than a few stars in boxing who sell out stadiums regularly, in title fights or tuneups. the ufc may very well be able to sell out the garden, but not quickly. thats a huge overstatement there.maybe it was supposed to be and I completely missed it, but thats fairyland

you don't think the 1st UFC event in nyc would sell out very quickly? And you know every fight would be great cause of the ny market.

[mendozathejew]

you don't think the 1st UFC event in nyc would sell out very quickly? And you know every fight would be great cause of the ny market.

no not very quickly. its very hard to do. its very rare you have a situation like mayweather de la hoya where the seats are gona inside a couple of hours. it so rare. but no doubt the ufc in msg will sell well, it will just take some work, like it does 99.9 percent of the time

[Cromwell]

Diaz is suspended till September from the marijuana suspension from his win over Gomi.


That's right, I forgot about that.


Karo seems to want to fight the elder Diaz brother or pretty much anyone who has ever pissed him off. Great fighter, huge asshole. Think he is the guy to beat.


I used to like him, till I saw what a dick he was on the recent TUF show. Now I want to see him get his head kicked in (again - like Sanchez did to him).


Alves is fighting a japanese guy I've never heard of at fight Night 11. He was suspended for a while.
Sanchez is being rumored to fight Fitch but I dont know. They might wanna feed Fitch someone else to build up his name before he fights Sanchez. Also I'm sure the UFC doesnt want their upcoming star losing two in a row. Either way I'm sure Koscheck is down the line for Sanchez.


Well, yeah - a rematch if everything else falls into place. But if Kos beats GSP, he'll probably get the winner of Serra-Hughes (and a title shot)

[Capt.Caveman]

Liddell vs Jardine UFC 76

[Gotti420]

Liddell vs Jardine UFC 76

That sucks, I was hoping for Silva. Jardine is nowhere near Chuck's level.

[Larz]

That sucks, I was hoping for Silva. Jardine is nowhere near Chuck's level.


That would never happen right after losing the title, all Dana's usual bullshit. He's got a bunch more fights to milk out of liddel and it would be dumb to throw him at the man who destroyed rampage. So instead he says Silva chickened out of the fight, pretty funny.

I don't have a problem with liddel getting a tune-up fight really, and Jardine isn't a total can. Chuck had better not sleep on him.

I can see a Wand-Tito fight coming though, its putup or shutup time for Tito.

[Capt.Caveman]

That would never happen right after losing the title, all Dana's usual bullshit. He's got a bunch more fights to milk out of liddel and it would be dumb to throw him at the man who destroyed rampage. So instead he says Silva chickened out of the fight, pretty funny.

I don't have a problem with liddel getting a tune-up fight really, and Jardine isn't a total can. Chuck had better not sleep on him.

I can see a Wand-Tito fight coming though, its putup or shutup time for Tito.

silva said he doesn't want to fight til the end of this year beginning of next. so giving chuck a tune up fight isn't that bad of an idea. getting silva in around nov. dec. to fight a guy like griffin, ortiz, irvin or someone like that before liddell isn't a bad strategy. rampage and cro cop both fought 3rd teir fighters in their 1st match. so griffin and ortiz might be out. remember tito has a win over silva.

[Capt.Caveman]

UPCOMING UFC EVENTS

UFC 74 8/25

Couture vs Gonzaga
Koschek vs St. Peirre
Stevenson vs. Pellegrino
Cote vs Grove
Lutter vs Jensen
Babalu vs D. Heath
Aureillo vs. Guida

UFC 75 9/8

Henderson vs Rampage
Cro Cop vs Kongo
Hamill vs Bisbing
Sakara vs Alexander
Davis vs Taylor
Liaudin vs Johnson
Etim vs Tibau

UFC Fight night 11 9/19

Leben vs Swick
Fischer vs Thomas
Alves vs Hironaka

UFC 76 9/22

"Shogun" Rua vs Machida
Fitch vs Sanchez
Gouviea vs Lambert
Liddell vs Jardine

UFC 77 10/20

Silva vs Franklin 2
Ortiz vs Evans 2


Here's the link I'm not sure it will work if your not a member. membership is free.

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[Larz]

remember tito has a win over silva.

Thats why I'm thinking we'll see Silva fight Tito before Chuck. They'll feed Silva 1 can to introduce him then they'll do Ortiz-Silva and bill it as a grudge match. Since LHW division is deep as hell now they won't have to do more than 1 feeder match.

By the way are you sure they're not doing another UFN until september? I haven't checked the schedule but that kind of sucks.

[Capt.Caveman]

Thats why I'm thinking we'll see Silva fight Tito before Chuck. They'll feed Silva 1 can to introduce him then they'll do Ortiz-Silva and bill it as a grudge match. Since LHW division is deep as hell now they won't have to do more than 1 feeder match.

By the way are you sure they're not doing another UFN until september? I haven't checked the schedule but that kind of sucks.

the ufc website is terrible i get all my info off sherdog and mmaplayground

[Standby]

Thats why I'm thinking we'll see Silva fight Tito before Chuck. They'll feed Silva 1 can to introduce him then they'll do Ortiz-Silva and bill it as a grudge match. Since LHW division is deep as hell now they won't have to do more than 1 feeder match.

By the way are you sure they're not doing another UFN until september? I haven't checked the schedule but that kind of sucks.

Yeah that is kind of strange. They blitzed us with about 4 or 5 events, UFN, PPVs, the TUF finale, then just nothing for two months, and another just stream of events.

Personally I wish they'd spread it out a bit more...

[Cromwell]

UPCOMING UFC EVENTS

UFC 74 8/25

Couture vs Gonzaga
Koschek vs St. Peirre
Stevenson vs. Pellegrino
Cote vs Grove
Lutter vs Jensen
Babalu vs D. Heath
Aureillo vs. Guida


Geez - they had to put this on the same night as the PNC Traveling Virus show. :mad4:

[Gotti420]

Don't know how reliable of a source this is, but it looks like UFC 75 is going to be on Spike. I hope this is true, 75 looks like an amazing card

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/16/report-ufc-75-free-on-spike-tv-via-tape-delay/

[Palerider4146]

Don't know how reliable of a source this is, but it looks like UFC 75 is going to be on Spike. I hope this is true, 75 looks like an amazing card

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/16/report-ufc-75-free-on-spike-tv-via-tape-delay/


I wouldnt be surprised, the last UK event with ace was on Spike after the HBO deal got further delayed. We shall see.

[Capt.Caveman]

Geez - they had to put this on the same night as the PNC Traveling Virus show. :mad4:

dude that sucks!!!! I didn't even notice that :arrrh:

[Capt.Caveman]

Don't know how reliable of a source this is, but it looks like UFC 75 is going to be on Spike. I hope this is true, 75 looks like an amazing card

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/16/report-ufc-75-free-on-spike-tv-via-tape-delay/

That's hard to believe. Henderson vs Rampage!! I hope it's true. The dates of the events are close together like last time with cro cop vs gonzaga

[Cromwell]

Don't know how reliable of a source this is, but it looks like UFC 75 is going to be on Spike. I hope this is true, 75 looks like an amazing card

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/16/report-ufc-75-free-on-spike-tv-via-tape-delay/

Sure hope so.

Palerider still owes me a DVD of the last PPV event. :icon_mrgr I should be able to record this one on my own. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Leben vs Swick may have been canceled from UFN 11. It's not on the site anymore. any info?

[mendozathejew]

Don't know how reliable of a source this is, but it looks like UFC 75 is going to be on Spike. I hope this is true, 75 looks like an amazing card

http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/16/report-ufc-75-free-on-spike-tv-via-tape-delay/

I think its been reported in other places as well, so its probably legit. I think they are really looking for a boost in ratings for their Spike programming. its been gradually declining for the past 2 years

[Bodizapha]

UFC 75 is confirmed for spike. They just inked a new T.V. deal that will keep TUF and UFN's on that network.

More noise from Jardine's camp that he is fighting Liddel.

Heavy Rumors that Shogun will either fight Mach or Forrest.

[Bodizapha]

Leben vs Swick may have been canceled from UFN 11. It's not on the site anymore. any info?

I could have sworn that Leben's last fight under contract was his most recent fight. He reportedly took a job with ICON in Hawaii training at a Gym on the big island. He may or may not have one fight left with the UFC.

[Cromwell]

Leben vs Swick may have been canceled from UFN 11. It's not on the site anymore. any info?

I just read that Swick is dropping down to fight at Welterweight (170). So, perhaps that is the reason?

[Papagolash]

How is it that Leben is still getting aired fights on UFC? He sucks.

[Standby]

Heavy Rumors that Shogun will either fight Mach or Forrest.

Shogun v. Machida? Holy shit, I would just love to see that...

EDIT: I'm an idiot and thought Mach meant Sakurai, realizing they were in completely different weight classes.

Second EDIT: Looks like that's what going down. http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/mixedmartialarts/article_1763049.php
Anyone want to confirm how legit that source is?

[Larz]

Heavy Rumors that Shogun will either fight Mach or Forrest.

Throwing Forrest to shogun is borderline criminal. I hope they don't make this match.

[Cromwell]

How is it that Leben is still getting aired fights on UFC? He sucks.

He has knockout power.

[Capt.Caveman]

fights added and changed

UFC 74

Mir vs Hardonk
Huerta vs Crane

UFC 76

Rua vs Griffin

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[Capt.Caveman]

How is it that Leben is still getting aired fights on UFC? He sucks.

I can't stand Leben. He has sucked as of late. I root against him every time he fights. He has a win over Swick but that was in 2004. dewees and cote he has wins over but as they were declining. every guy he goes against who has some talent he loses. silva macdonald and starnes all in the past year. He does have knockout power and a good chin. but his ground game needs work. and his attitude definately needs work

[Suicidebree]

Shogun vs. Griffin confiremed for UFC 76 as well as fitch vs. sanchez accorind to a poster released today.

[Bodizapha]

Jonathan Goulet is now rumored to tee off with Swick for the next UFN.

I think Chuck confirmed the fight with Jardine yesterday, look for Jason Lambert to be fighting on the undercard of that fight too! Also a possible return to the UFC from Evan Tanner.

If any is watching the Bodog scene, Matt Lindland is looking to fight for their Middleweight title.

[Cromwell]

Jonathan Goulet is now rumored to tee off with Swick for the next UFN.


At what weight? Either way, Swick will destroy him.



I think Chuck confirmed the fight with Jardine yesterday, look for Jason Lambert to be fighting on the undercard of that fight too! Also a possible return to the UFC from Evan Tanner.


Tanner! I was wondering if he was going to attempt a comeback. Thought he was too busy with his Foundation.


If any is watching the Bodog scene, Matt Lindland is looking to fight for their Middleweight title.

Which he will win easily. When is Dana going to bring him into the UFC and give him the shot he deserves?

Here's something that looks like it could be pretty cool. Watching "Rescue Me" last night, I saw a commercial for this:

The History Channel® embarks on a remarkable journey across the globe to reveal the history behind one of humankind’s most ancient skills: the art of hand-to-hand combat in the "Human Weapon."


On July 20th, their show premieres on The History Channel with Jason and Bill folding back the rich historical and cultural layers of Muay Thai, Eskrima, Judo, Karate, Savate and more in the ultimate search of "Human Weapon."

Read more about it (with a video clip) here:
http://smallscreen.monstersandcritics.com/features/article_1331339.php/History_Channel_Human_Weapon_sneak_peek_video

[Standby]

Shogun vs. Griffin confiremed for UFC 76 as well as fitch vs. sanchez accorind to a poster released today.

I don't like this at all. Forrest doesn't deserve to be used as fodder for one of the top fighters in the world.

So much for hoping to push him. But I guess with what the 205 lb. division is turning into, he's going to need to get these fights to stay relevant. That light heavyweight division just got really deep.

[Suicidebree]

So much for hoping to push him. But I guess with what the 205 lb. division is turning into, he's going to need to get these fights to stay relevant. That light heavyweight division just got really deep.
I am a huge Forrest fan, but you're right. He is either going to have to sink or swim. Maybe some serious work on his punching power can bring him to the next level. he looked great in his last fight butthe new compettition is insane. There isnt alot of soft opponents for him to fight based upon his probably high ranking .

[Capt.Caveman]

I don't like this at all. Forrest doesn't deserve to be used as fodder for one of the top fighters in the world.

So much for hoping to push him. But I guess with what the 205 lb. division is turning into, he's going to need to get these fights to stay relevant. That light heavyweight division just got really deep.

i guess dana feels it's time for him to step up. styles make fights maybe they see a chink in shoguns armor that forest can exploit. or maybe dana doesn't like him and wants him to get a beating.

[mendozathejew]

both sherk and franca test positive for steroids

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8333


UFC lightweight champion Sean Sherk (Pictures) has tested positive for Nandrolone Metabolite following his title defense July 7 in Sacramento, Calif, the state's athletic commission revealed Thursday. Sherk scored a dominating five-round decision win over Brazilian Hermes Franca (Pictures), whom the CSAC also said tested positive for the banned substance Drostanolone.

After testing both "A" and "B" samples of the urine specimen provided by Sherk the day before the fight, the UFC champion's Nandrolone level was certified by the Director of Science and Technology at the lab conducting the tests at 12 ng/ml, two times higher than the threshold allowed by the CSAC, said the state regulatory body.

The Minnesotan lightweight has been fined $2,500 and suspended 365 days from the date of the fight, including an additional 10 days that would need be served if Sherk reapplied for a license to fight in the Golden State.

Calls to Sherk and his trainer Greg Nelson were not immediately returned.

Franca was also fined $2,500 -- the maximum fine the CSAC can levy -- and suspended through July 5, 2008. The Brazilian told MMAweekly.com that he had used a "banned substance" prior to the fight.

"I offer only an explanation and not an excuse," Franca said. "I made a decision during a difficult time in my training for the fight that I regret."

Saying an injured ankle prompted him to look for ways to "accelerate the healing process" Franca said he made the "shortsighted" choice to use a banned substance. "Under the pressure of literally not being able to pay next months bills I made a choice," he told MMAweekly. "I had to fight and did whatever I could to do so."

UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva (Anderson Silva' class='LinkSilver'>Pictures) and Nathan Marquardt (Pictures), participants in July 7's other title fight in Sacramento, Calif., were both cleared for any banned substances.

This news comes on the heels of a CSAC report that revealed 28 violations, including nine for steroids, of its anti-doping policy from March 31, 2007 through July 6, 2007. Seventeen of the 28 violators were fighters in mixed martial arts contests.

[mendozathejew]

i guess dana feels it's time for him to step up. styles make fights maybe they see a chink in shoguns armor that forest can exploit. or maybe dana doesn't like him and wants him to get a beating.
I think when it comes to throwing jardine and forrest in with liddell and shogun respectively, what else are you gona do with them? cant baby them, and prep them for ever.

dana white has commented how excited he is to have shogun, and said hes "so fucking marketable."

[Suicidebree]

That news about Sherk is fucking awful. I feel the same way I did when I realized baseball was such a problem. I was so impressed by his all access and by his fight. They really need to do something about this shit.

Childish question. With all the pills he takes a day none of that could boost his reading levels.

[mendozathejew]

his nandrolone levels werent extremely high. he tested at 12, twice the allowed limit. royce gracie tested at 40 when he failed his last drug test. sherk is gona appeal, claim he takes all these supplements and it caused a false positive etc.

but lets be real here. he was taking nadrolone. probably not alot, because he doesnt need alot. an athlete like him will take just a little bit for fine tuning. it also goes to show- athletes will take juice if they want- whether its in pride or ufc

[Capt.Caveman]

i guess it's open competition for the lightweight title

[Palerider4146]

That really, really sucks for MMA. Just as the sport is fighting for the mainstream approval, the new poster boy for the UFC goes and tests positive and now is banned for a year. This opens the door for KFlo, BJ, Nate Diaz and our own Rance to step up and fill the spots. Boxing is going to love this. On sherdogs page there was a breakdown of the violations in Cali with 20 of 28 being MMA. Not good for the sport.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

They should have went with the WWE drug testing company, everyone always test clean. :action-sm

[mendozathejew]

That really, really sucks for MMA. Just as the sport is fighting for the mainstream approval, the new poster boy for the UFC goes and tests positive and now is banned for a year. This opens the door for KFlo, BJ, Nate Diaz and our own Rance to step up and fill the spots. Boxing is going to love this. On sherdogs page there was a breakdown of the violations in Cali with 20 of 28 being MMA. Not good for the sport.

come on man boxing has nothing to do with it. athletes take steroids period. if they want to, they will. and its somewhat easy to get around testing, and to past tests when abusing. james toney is a one of the best of his generation and just tested positive for steroids.

the mma vs boxing dick measuring contest its fan seem to insist upon arguing about has nothing to do with this. mma has a clear problem right now, but its pretty common in sports by most assessments

gary player, former golfer, just said he personally knows of 2 golfers taking steroids

[Capt.Caveman]

did they just start testing for nadarole or something? is it a synthetic? it seems all the guys are testing positive for the same one

[Capt.Caveman]

FIGHTS ADDED

UFC 75

Thiago Silva vsDrwal

UFN 11

Nate Diaz vs Assuncao
Goulet vs Swick
Maynard vs Veres

[Gotti420]

FIGHTS ADDED

UFC 75

Thiago Silva vsDrwal

UFN 11

Nate Diaz vs Assuncao
Goulet vs Swick
Maynard vs Veres

Glad Silva is fighting again. We didn't really get to see what he can do in his last fight with Irvin blowing out his knee and all.

As far as Sherk and the title go, they should strip him of the belt and bring in Gomi to fight Penn in a unification bout because no one else in the UFC LW division besides Sherk is on BJ's level.

[Larz]

Granted you can't make a call just by outward appearances, but something about sherk's disproportionate mass and strength compared to every other LW seemed off. A doctor in my muay thai class swore up and down prior to the fight that Sherk was a juicer.

With both Franca and Sherk gone theres still some interesting fights to be had at LW though. I'm seeing Penn and Huerta now ranking #1 and #2 respectively going for the title although the whole division is still pretty competitive and thats not even taking potential pride crossover fighters into account.

Dana could totally turn this situation around with a 4-5 event LW tourney all held in Japan through 2008. Have a UFC ladder and pride ladder, with the winners of each going for the belt.

[BelatedAbortion]

I never liked Sherk, I can't stand the way he fights and now after this news I completely despise him. He was on sherdog radio with TJ DeSantis swearing he's never used juice and talking about how people come up to him all of the time telling him he must be a juicer and that he vehemently denies it.

Nandrolone, also known as Deca Durabolin isn't a testosterone-based steroid, but it does wonders to build strength and a little lean muscle mass. Royce apparently took an asston (50ng vs. Sherk's 12ng), Sherk tested for double the detection limit which is ridiculous because you KNOW he's going to be scrutinized. The worst thing about this situation is that Nandrolone is known to stay in your system for a while, but it does have the benefits of NOT giving you bacne or roid rage.

[Gotti420]

Chris Leben vs. Terry Martin added to UFN 11.

Hope Martin knocks him out. This card is looking pretty good for a UFN

[Cromwell]

On July 20th, their show premieres on The History Channel with Jason and Bill folding back the rich historical and cultural layers of Muay Thai, Eskrima, Judo, Karate, Savate and more in the ultimate search of "Human Weapon."

Read more about it (with a video clip) here:
http://smallscreen.monstersandcritics.com/features/article_1331339.php/History_Channel_Human_Weapon_sneak_peek_video

Anybody else watch this? I thought it was pretty good. Episode one was all about Thailand and Muay Thai fighting. Next week they go to the Phillipines and explore escrima and all the various stickfighting techniques.


On the recent steriod use revelations:

That really, really sucks for MMA. Just as the sport is fighting for the mainstream approval, the new poster boy for the UFC goes and tests positive and now is banned for a year. This opens the door for KFlo, BJ, Nate Diaz and our own Rance to step up and fill the spots. Boxing is going to love this. On sherdogs page there was a breakdown of the violations in Cali with 20 of 28 being MMA. Not good for the sport.

Agreed. So, I guess this quashes the BJ-Sherk fight. I think BJ will now go up to 170 and get his new superstar in training ready for the 155 lb division. Meanwhile, Kenny Florian must be licking his chops :icon_wink

Oh, and Pale - you never called me back. Let me know about what we were talking about, ok?

[( . Y . )]

There's a new series on history channel The Human Weapon. It's almost like Fight Science but not as corny. They actually did some history on the styles they cover. One of the two hosts jason chambers has a 15-5 mma record, and the other was a pro football player.

http://www.history.com/minisites/humanweapon

[Capt.Caveman]

Chris Leben vs. Terry Martin added to UFN 11.

Hope Martin knocks him out. This card is looking pretty good for a UFN

I hope martin retires leben. If he does dana can't let him fight anymore.

[Cromwell]

There's a new series on history channel The Human Weapon. It's almost like Fight Science but not as corny. They actually did some history on the styles they cover. One of the two hosts jason chambers has a 15-5 mma record, and the other was a pro football player.

http://www.history.com/minisites/humanweapon

Do you even read any of the other posts in this topic? Try to the one *directly above* the post you just made :rolleyes:

[mendozathejew]

I hope martin retires leben. If he does dana can't let him fight anymore.

you should enjoy this. someone at sherdog made it after the fight with silva, where leben had said anderson silva will want to go back to japan, "where the competition is a little easier" after fighting him
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4365/lebenlimitationsdk1jr7.jpg

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8368



Sean Sherk has retained an attorney and plans to fight the allegations that he used anabolic steroids in the run-up to his July 7 title defense against Hermes Franca . In a press release, Sherk clearly maintained his innocence although he had no immediate explanation for the positive test.

"At the present time, I cannot explain the positive drug test in Sacramento, California," stated the UFC lightweight champion. "I know that I have never used any steroids or other banned substances, and I am investigating possible causes of the positive test with my attorney. I have never cheated, and all of my success has come from hard work and dedication to my sport."

Sherk has retained Howard Jacobs of Los Angels, California to represent him in his appeal of his suspension and fine.

That appeal will be heard in Los Angeles at a California State Athletic Commission meeting scheduled for August 6 at 10 a.m. Hermes Franca , who challenged Sherk at UFC 73 and Phil Baroni who tested positive after his June 22 fight with Frank Shamrock are also slated to have their appeals heard.

[mendozathejew]

one more for your caveman
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1082/finalkr1.jpg
not great but its decent work

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8390

Former PRIDE middleweight ace Wanderlei Silva is coming to America.

"I'm moving to the U.S., but I still don't know where I'll live. I'm in doubt between Las Vegas and Florida," Silva stated. "I'm going there to see a house … and after this I'll decide."

The Brazilian admits he doesn't even know where he will train, "I'm shooting in the dark, and I'm still thinking how I will train. I have to see the available gyms, where I'll train, and with who."

Wanderlei stated that this situation forced him to ask for a later date with Chuck Liddell , but he lamented that he doesn't know when the showdown will take place.

"I would fight him in September," Silva explained, "But because of my move I asked to fight him later -- maybe at the end of this year -- or maybe not. I don't know. It depends on the UFC."

Regarding Liddell's recent statements that Silva has turned down the much-hyped contest, Silva commented, "I will not run away from him, not now, not ever. I respect him. He is a very good athlete, a tough guy, and that's why he was the UFC champion for such a long time. I want to fight him when I'm 100 percent ready, no excuses."

A frustrated Silva wondered aloud why there was such a rush after he was forced to wait so long for this fight in the first place.

"I waited on him for two years, and now he can't wait for me for two months?" said the former PRIDE FC 205 lb. champ. "That's OK. I'll be in USA now, preparing myself to fight him, but if he doesn't want to, or if this fight would be not interesting anymore, I'll fight against anybody, no problem. But this fight should really happen, because there are a lot of people waiting for this. I never ran away from him, or anybody else. I don't fear him or any other fighter.

"I'm going through changes, fixing my personal life, but I'm OK," the Brazilian said, "I'm very focused, training a lot and I'll be ready soon. I want to show all my potential, and give a great show, because this is what the fans expect from me. I hope to live up to their expectations."

Silva reveals that he was close to signing a contract with UFC, but now he doesn't know how the situation will unfold.

"My contract was close to being signed, I had it in my hands," Silva continued, "I would sign to fight Liddell, but if it doesn't happen I can wait for a while, because I have proposals from other promoters as well. There are a lot of good offers, with a lot of fights included, and very good purses. So I will wait to see if I will fight him. I'll wait for the name they give me, and if this is an opponent who brings me an audience, I'll fight him, without a doubt."

It is important to the man dubbed "The Axe Murderer" to fight the best the world has to offer. He has been on the big stage for so many years now, he feels it would be a step down to fight anyone who doesn't measure up to the caliber of competition he has been facing for most of his career.

"I want amazing fights; interesting battles, as it would be against Chuck. I want to compete for a good organization against a great opponent; meaning, a classic match. If it's not that classic match, I prefer to wait."

Having not stepped into the ring since being knocked out by Dan Henderson back in February; Silva is excited to resume his career in the States.

"I hope to fight again soon, so everyone can see me in action again, and to conquer new American fans, just like I did in Japan," declared Silva. "I'll live there, raise my son in the USA and hope that he'll have every opportunity to become a great fighter."

And if you see an "Axe Murderer" strolling on your block, "Watch out, who knows when Silva will be walking through your neighborhood (laughs)? … We'll meet in Florida or Las Vegas. A big hug to all of you, and God bless you all."

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8382


Tumultuous times for the barely-potty-trained sport of MMA: in a first of its kind, two UFC main event fighters have tested positive for unpronounceable pharmaceuticals. Weeks ago, a living legend with the physique of Mahatma Gandhi was caught with the needle.

And just like that, cozy personality profiles and event results have been replaced with lurid headlines and defamatory comments, the community so self-loathing that it's been reduced to volleys of name-calling and finger-pointing.

I debated not adding to the pile, but to neglect the issue consuming the industry seems a little disingenuous. (That and the cable bill won't pay itself.)

The problem has been so often displayed on news sites that I don't want to bore you with regurgitated details. The Cliff's Notes version: athletes are doing drugs to perform better at their job and feed their families.

Shocking, I know.

Anabolic steroids have an utterly demonic origin: German scientists picked up on research that was initiated in the 1930s, synthesizing natural hormones and injecting concentration camp unfortunates to prevent muscle wasting. If you believe William Taylor, author of Macho Medicine, Adolf Hitler demanded his physician supply him with anabolics to perpetuate that whole superiority thing.

Hitler's eventual defeat did little to stifle the continuing promise that these lab-manufactured hormones promised, and by the 1970s, bodybuilding physiques resembled Marvel characters. By the 1980s, the Olympics were infested. And by the 1990s, we had a full-bore epidemic on our hands.

The "e" word has inevitable negative connotations, but proponents of steroid use ("not abuse," they chime) believe a responsible intake coupled with other drugs to offset some of the more unpleasant side effects should be no one's business but their own.

Even if athletes are free to ignore the physical repercussions of turning into a walking chemical plant, athletic commissions are interested in providing a level playing field. Artificial assistance is, as the Germans might say, verboten.

Never mind the fact that the playing field will never be level, that highly-paid fighters can afford expensive training camps and partners, the latest and greatest in barely-legal supplements, and the best doctors and chiropractors money can buy.

Never mind the fact that those aforementioned legal supplements can, in the right schematic, produce physical superiority, conceivably one that trumps your opponent's.

Never mind the fact that fighters who take diuretics (that'd be a drug) to shed 20 pounds of water weight before a fight and wind up clobbering their outsized foes with all the grace of the Hulk on uppers routinely ascend up the ladder.

"Fair" is a wildly subjective term, and in many cases, a brutally naïve goal.

Steroids, like all assists that come in pill or injectable form, cannot teach you technique. They cannot teach you strategy. They cannot teach you intestinal fortitude.

What they can do is allow the human body to withstand the unfathomable punishment incurred on a daily basis in the gym. A mixed-style athlete spends hours every day running, lifting weights, sparring, and making tenderloin out of his ligaments. If it takes any one of these guys less than ten minutes to climb out of bed in the morning, they must have one ugly wife.

How hypocritical it is, then, to demand these fighters become multi-hyphenated warriors while simultaneously condemning their methodology. Steroids do not win fights: steroids, at their most effective, allow fighters to train at an elevated level. And that training is what wins fights.

Strength, that famously common result of drug consumption, is ridiculously overvalued. I'm fairly certain Tony Fryklund - who I am in no way labeling as a below-board athlete - can bench press several hundred pounds more than Duane Ludwig.

It didn't matter when they met in the cage: Ludwig smashed him. Nick Diaz routinely negates strength advantages in the ring. And there was that Gracie guy.

But because steroids have a scarlet letter sewn to them by the press, and because Chris Benoit will forever color perceptions of drug use in this country, it's unlikely that commissions and fans will ever accept that steroids hardly contaminate contests as much as the hysterical public thinks they do.

So the question remains what to do about them.

The current system, while admirable in its intentions, is obviously not working. Despite a rash of positive results, suspensions, and fines, athletes are still routinely melting urine sample cups.

Looking to the UFC for guidance ignores the clear conflict of interest there exists in a promotion trusted to police itself, when punishment to its talent will result in financial damage to its own bottom line. At best, the company could supplement sentences handed down by the state commissions, canceling contracts on second offenses or giving the user's purse to his opponent.

As it stands, there exists no sufficient incentive for an athlete to consider not using. Some feel they must use in order to maintain the physical demands set by their profession. A fine (in Royce Gracie's case, a laughable sub-1% of his prize purse) or suspension doesn't seem to deter them. You can use steroids, hope you don't get caught, or you can not use steroids and hope the other guy does.

The only real, no-bullshit answer is a federal commission, one able to cross state lines and follow athletes into their gyms. If a fighter knows that a random test is truly random, that it could happen tomorrow or next week or next month, there would be no opportunity to perform any kind of off-cycle or chemical smokescreen.

And if the punishment were truly substantial, involving purses being withheld, revocation of wins, and multi-year suspensions for repeat offenses, you would slowly see athletes take their chances with competing clean and knowing even a loser's pay stub is better than none at all.

I don't doubt that some athletes have been wrongfully accused, either because of rigorous training efforts or contaminated legal supplements. Raising the acceptable bar for levels of substances like Nandrolone -- for which Sherk tested an unimpressive 12 ng/mL -- might eliminate any innocent parties from walking the plank.

But if a fighter tests positive prior to a marquee bout, and a suspension were handed down, pay-per-view revenues would be crippled. We wouldn't have seen the Sherk/Franca bout, or Shamrock/Baroni, or Gracie/Sakuraba. Promoters would be livid.

The message remains: we're doing everything we can to deter steroid use, but not when it'll cost us real money.

Is government mediation really necessary? It may not be hip to think so, but when an institution cannot reliably police itself, the only solution is independent regulation. (And while they're at it, they may want to tell the boxing industry to stop letting their athletes get punched in the head after a 10-count.) The sporting world is being ravaged by corruption and deceptive practices, from NBA officials shaving points off of games to golfers being accused of having track marks. It's getting Biblical.

At the guarantee of inviting criticism, I don't much care if fighters use steroids. Once the sport of MMA reached a certain level of sophistication, I couldn't point to an instance where anyone could say, "Wow, that fighter obviously won because of his Deca cycle."

If they choose to risk long-term health deterioration in exchange for harder training sessions and an ad-campaign friendly six-pack, punish them or ignore them, but don't think for a second that it makes much of a difference.

Greatness will never be sold in a bottle.

[Cromwell]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8368



Sean Sherk has retained an attorney and plans to fight the allegations that he used anabolic steroids in the run-up to his July 7 title defense against Hermes Franca . In a press release, Sherk clearly maintained his innocence although he had no immediate explanation for the positive test.

That appeal will be heard in Los Angeles at a California State Athletic Commission meeting scheduled for August 6 at 10 a.m. Hermes Franca , who challenged Sherk at UFC 73 and Phil Baroni who tested positive after his June 22 fight with Frank Shamrock are also slated to have their appeals heard.


Well, good luck with that, guys.

Meanwhile - Kenny Florian should be given a title shot.

[mendozathejew]

unfortunately I really think Sherk is gona beat the charge. Hes got the same attorney that bailed marion jones out of her trouble. and his nandrolone levels were twice the limit, a relatively low number.

now I think hes absolutely guilty. he probably got caught at the end of a cycle, and thats why the number was low. plus, Sherk takes 73 pills a day, 21 different supplements. thats absurd. even joplin and morrison would agree his pill popping is insane

the only way I see them rejecting his appeal is if the nsac is really intent on making an example of all the recent mma steroid abusers that have tested positive

[Zona992006]

uh ok

[mendozathejew]

marquardt had steroid results overturned under similar circumstances

[Cromwell]

K-Flo v J-Lau for the title.

Lets get it on right now! :icon_cool

[BelatedAbortion]

K-Flo v J-Lau for the title.

Lets get it on right now! :icon_cool

That would be a completely sick fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx


FIGHTS ADDED


UFN 11

Cummo vs De Oliveira

UFC 76

Wyman vs Omigawa

UFC 77

Eastman vs Mcfedries
Belcher vs Starnes

[Cromwell]

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx


FIGHTS ADDED


UFN 11

Cummo vs De Oliveira


Luke is back!

The pride of Long Island and the Ray Longo/Matt Serra training grounds. :icon_cool

[BelatedAbortion]

I went to the IFL semifinals last night at Continental Airlines Arena, had amazing seats in the lower tier, we were at the perfect viewing angle for every fight and caught every detail.

I won't blow the results for those of you who watch the IFL, I definitely enjoyed it and there were some good fights, one completely amazing standing guillotine (those of you who follow the sport can tell me which coach uses that move), and a couple interesting knockouts. The reffing sucked. He broke up a lot of action too early, some too late, and stopped one fight way before it was over. Got a chance to meet Matt Lindland who I'm a huge fan of, and we sat with a bunch of guys Renzo's school.

Go Pitbulls!!!

[Cromwell]

I went to the IFL semifinals last night at Continental Airlines Arena, had amazing seats in the lower tier, we were at the perfect viewing angle for every fight and caught every detail.


Congrats to you, man. I'm sure it was great. I hope Mr. Pale Rider realizes this was a blown opportunity.


one completely amazing standing guillotine (those of you who follow the sport can tell me which coach uses that move)


Renzo Gracie, of course. :icon_cool



Got a chance to meet Matt Lindland who I'm a huge fan of, and we sat with a bunch of guys Renzo's school.



Very cool, man.

[Palerider4146]

Congrats to you, man. I'm sure it was great. I hope Mr. Pale Rider realizes this was a blown opportunity.



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I know I know, I'm just trying to not become a convicted widower instead of just a divorcee!!! hehe. Sorry Crom. BTW, the copy of that last PPV should be on the way to me soon, I'll forward it back to you, I'll PM you for address and such.

[BelatedAbortion]

Definitely tune in tonight, if just for that guillotine. It was an absolutely SICK submission. The victim was pushed up against the ropes, head bent at a perfect 90 degree angle. One second he was trying to get out, the next his hand comes up seemingly to tap, the next it was like someone cut a puppet's strings, he was out cold.

[mendozathejew]

I went to the IFL semifinals last night at Continental Airlines Arena, had amazing seats in the lower tier, we were at the perfect viewing angle for every fight and caught every detail.

Ive never seen a fight live in the cage, but I have to imagine it stinks compared to a ring. the octagon is better for in ring performance, but a ring has to me far better to watch a live fight in

[Capt.Caveman]

does anyone here train mma or bjj? i go 1 night a week for mma. I'd like to go more but my wife works on the bjj night.) i'm lookin to roll a lil more. i'm in hazlet nj x117 if anyone is looking to get some more work in. i don't fight i just train. pm me or just post here

[Palerider4146]

does anyone here train mma or bjj? i go 1 night a week for mma. I'd like to go more but my wife works on the bjj night.) i'm lookin to roll a lil more. i'm in hazlet nj x117 if anyone is looking to get some more work in. i don't fight i just train. pm me or just post here


Caveman, as soon as my divorce is final I'm looking to train myself. Where are you going? I found Modern Martial Arts in Englishtown and Woodbridge, unlimited classes for $99/month. You can train Kickboxing, sub grappling, BJJ, Judo even Kendo and Escrima. I also know of Fatjos on Tennet road in Morganville but it's a bit more expensive.


So Rance just sent out another email. He just had his knee operated on for a torn meniscus and is doing well, feel better soon Rance.

He also mentioned about hoping to fight in UFC 78 in New Jersey! Crom, we may need to get tixs for that one especially if our lil Joe is fighting.

[Capt.Caveman]

Caveman, as soon as my divorce is final I'm looking to train myself. Where are you going? I found Modern Martial Arts in Englishtown and Woodbridge, unlimited classes for $99/month. You can train Kickboxing, sub grappling, BJJ, Judo even Kendo and Escrima. I also know of Fatjos on Tennet road in Morganville but it's a bit more expensive.


So Rance just sent out another email. He just had his knee operated on for a torn meniscus and is doing well, feel better soon Rance.

He also mentioned about hoping to fight in UFC 78 in New Jersey! Crom, we may need to get tixs for that one especially if our lil Joe is fighting.

Matawan martial arts on main street. It's a Renzo Gracie school. My teacher actually fought Rance. lost RNC rd 2 but rance is a beast. mon gi bjj wed no-gi bjj and fri is mma. $185 for 3 months. here's the link

www.trianglechoke.com

[Suicidebree]

Matawan martial arts on main street. It's a Renzo Gracie school. My teacher actually fought Rance. lost RNC rd 2 but rance is a beast. mon gi bjj wed no-gi bjj and fri is mma. $185 for 3 months. here's the link

www.trianglechoke.com

I got a couple friends who train there constantly and love it. Renzo apparently signed the deed to open his own school in Holmdel last week according to the papers.

[Capt.Caveman]

I got a couple friends who train there constantly and love it. Renzo apparently signed the deed to open his own school in Holmdel last week according to the papers.

heard about him opening a school in holmdel. my friend juan hangs with renzo. did it give a date to open?

[BelatedAbortion]

Anybody catch WEC last night?

The Condit/Larson fight was.....interesting. Carlos is a friggin animal, I thought Brock was totally gonna bring it, put Condit in some bad situations and make him work like a true champion. Instead Larson just tried to muscle him into a corner and got basically schooled in the art of the armbar.

[Capt.Caveman]

Anybody catch WEC last night?

The Condit/Larson fight was.....interesting. Carlos is a friggin animal, I thought Brock was totally gonna bring it, put Condit in some bad situations and make him work like a true champion. Instead Larson just tried to muscle him into a corner and got basically schooled in the art of the armbar.

got it tevo'd. i only read the 1st line of your post so it wasn't a spoiler

[Gotti420]

it looks like Spencer Fisher is out of UFN 11 and Florian will replace him to fight Din Thomas

This should be a good fight. Thomas definitely has the better striking along with great BJJ skills but Florian has looked great lately.

[BelatedAbortion]

it looks like Spencer Fisher is out of UFN 11 and Florian will replace him to fight Din Thomas

This should be a good fight. Thomas definitely has the better striking along with great BJJ skills but Florian has looked great lately.

Anybody know why?? Fisher is one of my favorite guys to watch. That flying squirrel knee he put on Wyman is on my all-time faves list. Stupid fucking finger in the air you douche.

I have Florian for this fight, he's a beast lately, his conditioning is insane despite the fact that he looks like an Auschwitz poster boy.

[Gotti420]

Anybody know why?? Fisher is one of my favorite guys to watch. That flying squirrel knee he put on Wyman is on my all-time faves list. Stupid fucking finger in the air you douche.

staph infection

[BelatedAbortion]

staph infection

These dirty motherfuckers. Same thing happened to "Cowboy" on the Tapout show, but he didn't have to back out of a fight so far in the future.

[Capt.Caveman]

RANCE to fight KARO!!


http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=21

yea he got me too

[BelatedAbortion]

RANCE to fight KARO!!


http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=21

yea he got me too

So he's just completely full of shit eh? Funny Rance, very funny. Can't wait to see this kid duke it out again though.

[Cromwell]

So Rance just sent out another email. He just had his knee operated on for a torn meniscus and is doing well, feel better soon Rance.

He also mentioned about hoping to fight in UFC 78 in New Jersey! Crom, we may need to get tixs for that one especially if our lil Joe is fighting.


Sure. I would love to. Will your wife "let you"? :rolleyes:



Anybody catch WEC last night?

The Condit/Larson fight was.....interesting. Carlos is a friggin animal, I thought Brock was totally gonna bring it, put Condit in some bad situations and make him work like a true champion. Instead Larson just tried to muscle him into a corner and got basically schooled in the art of the armbar.

Yeah - I was so totally impressed by that. Condit appears to be the real deal. I'd like to see how he would do against the UFC welterweights. For instance, against Hughes, St. Pierre, Koscheck or Sanchez.

I love Matt Serra but he's not a true welterweight. He should be fighting at a 162 lb weight class.

Speaking of former UFC now WEC guy - what does anyone thing of Jens Pulver's chance at the 145 lb class. Those goes over there appear to have a very loaded division as well.

it looks like Spencer Fisher is out of UFN 11 and Florian will replace him to fight Din Thomas

This should be a good fight. Thomas definitely has the better striking along with great BJJ skills but Florian has looked great lately.

K-Flo all the way.

Oh, and to Caveman - I train MMA as well.

Let me know when you and Pale get set up somewhere and we'll do some sparring.

[Kid Brock]

These dirty motherfuckers. Same thing happened to "Cowboy" on the Tapout show, but he didn't have to back out of a fight so far in the future.


I thought I was the only one who watched Tapout. Once you get past the "character" aspect of it, I think it is a good show.

[Cromwell]

I thought I was the only one who watched Tapout. Once you get past the "character" aspect of it, I think it is a good show.

I watch it. Who gives a shit about "mask", "skyscrape" and (heh, heh) "punkass" - its yet another show that brings us into the world of MMA.

The episode on Matt Hughes' farm was pretty cool. :icon_cool

[Standby]

I watch it. Who gives a shit about "mask", "skyscrape" and (heh, heh) "punkass" - its yet another show that brings us into the world of MMA.

The episode on Matt Hughes' farm was pretty cool. :icon_cool

Agreed. The COWBOY episode got me back into it. I guess I just really didn't like the other fighter they had.

[Cromwell]

Agreed. The COWBOY episode got me back into it. I guess I just really didn't like the other fighter they had.

Yeah, that's the same show as the the visit to the Hughes (not Opie :rolleyes:) compound.

The whole build-up and behind-the-scenes stuff leading up to Cowboy's fight was great. That's what you want from these shows. The type of insight you can't just watching UFC PPV's.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hey there fight fans look how fuckin stupid some of our own are!!!!


http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=73003&page=3

[Palerider4146]

Sure. I would love to. Will your wife "let you"? :rolleyes:




.


Listen here buddy, I can do whatever I want to...as long as I check first. lol. Actually I finally gave the house to a real estate agent, so if I have any luck we'll get this thing sold soon and stop living in limbo. BTW Crom, notice how my mancrush on Rance has ceased, it's for a good reason...:icon_mrgr

[BelatedAbortion]

Yeah - I was so totally impressed by that. Condit appears to be the real deal. I'd like to see how he would do against the UFC welterweights. For instance, against Hughes, St. Pierre, Koscheck or Sanchez.

I love Matt Serra but he's not a true welterweight. He should be fighting at a 162 lb weight class.

Speaking of former UFC now WEC guy - what does anyone thing of Jens Pulver's chance at the 145 lb class. Those goes over there appear to have a very loaded division as well.


Carlos Condit is one person whom I think could hang with the guys in the UFC, but I don't see him clinching the belt there. Welterweight is probably the most stacked division in all of MMA, and you can see that now that Matt Hughes' mirage of invincibility has dissolved.

Serra, I have a lot of respect for him but I don't see him as an exciting fighter nor do I believe that he's going to have a long stint with that belt around his waist. He got a seriously lucky shot on an unsuspecting GSP. Unfortunately for GSP he has to learn how to treat every fight like a Matt Hughes fight.

As for Jens, sorry bro your career is done. His chin is long gone, he just can't hang anymore. Lauzon schooled him, BJ ripped him up, what do you think Faber would do to him? Slam him on his face until he needs dentures.

[Palerider4146]

As for Jens, sorry bro your career is done. His chin is long gone, he just can't hang anymore. Lauzon schooled him, BJ ripped him up, what do you think Faber would do to him? Slam him on his face until he needs dentures.


I'll say this about Jens, he underestimated Rance and BJ was a man on a mission, probably when BJ is the scariest fighter out there. I still would like to see what he could do against Faber. He will always have a punchers chance IMO.

[Cromwell]

Carlos Condit is one person whom I think could hang with the guys in the UFC, but I don't see him clinching the belt there.


As we've all learned recently - if you get a shot at the belt - you can win it (Silva, Serra and Rampage to name the most recent). Condit's jitz is sick. He effin' schooled a physically more powerful guy.


Welterweight is probably the most stacked division in all of MMA, and you can see that now that Matt Hughes' mirage of invincibility has dissolved.


Right - along with Franklin's and Lidell's.


Serra, I have a lot of respect for him but I don't see him as an exciting fighter nor do I believe that he's going to have a long stint with that belt around his waist. He got a seriously lucky shot on an unsuspecting GSP.


Serra has changed his game. He trained long and hard with standup guru Ray Longo. Don't expect to see the same Matt Serra as before.


Unfortunately for GSP he has to learn how to treat every fight like a Matt Hughes fight.


GSP is alternately ferocious and fragile.


As for Jens, sorry bro your career is done. His chin is long gone, he just can't hang anymore. Lauzon schooled him, BJ ripped him up, what do you think Faber would do to him? Slam him on his face until he needs dentures.


I'll say this about Jens, he underestimated Rance and BJ was a man on a mission, probably when BJ is the scariest fighter out there. I still would like to see what he could do against Faber. He will always have a punchers chance IMO.

Agreed.

Anyway, his next fight is against that Cubby dude (who will be a tough challenge for sure).

That's what I'm saying - that 145 lb class over there is really stacked as well.

[BelatedAbortion]

Jens is fighting Cub Swanson?? That dude's a BEAST!!

[Gotti420]

The UFC has officially signed Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=7253

I hope he fights Liddell in December.

[av8rOC]

The UFC has officially signed Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=7253

I hope he fights Liddell in December.

Unfortunately they have been teasing that fight so long it has kind of lost some luster. Neither of them hold a belt anymore, and I wouldnt be surprised to see neither one get it back. I see Hendo or Shogun holding that title for a looong time.


As far as the near future is concerned, what do you guys think of UFC 74?

My thoughts:

Randy Couture Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

-As much as I love Randy and I will be rooting for him, we will have a brand new HW champ. IMO this guy is on Fedor's level and should only be concerned about possibly losing the belt when he rematches cro-cop....unless of course they sign Fedor:icon_mrgr

Roger Huerta Vs. Alberto Crane

-Dont know much about Crane except that he is undefeated. Huerta is a top 5 LW and always exciting to watch.

Josh Koscheck Vs. Georges St-Pierre

-Josh is better in only 1 category....wrestling. GSP is world class in almost every category. Winner gets a title shot against Hughes/Serra. I cant wail to see Georges get his belt back.

Kurt Pellegrino Vs. Joe Stevenson

-Potential fight of the night, Im going with Joe however.

Patrick Cote Vs. Kendall Grove

-Why is Cote still in the UFC?

In under card fights Babalu, Mir, and Thales Leites are all fighting. Pretty strong card looking forward to it.

[Larz]

Randy Couture Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

-As much as I love Randy and I will be rooting for him, we will have a brand new HW champ. IMO this guy is on Fedor's level and should only be concerned about possibly losing the belt when he rematches cro-cop....unless of course they sign Fedor:icon_mrgr


If it was a non-title fight I'd give Randy a slim shot for pulling a decision. His wrestling is good enough to avoid going to the ground for 3 rounds and turning it into a boxing match (even then, gonzaga is Ex-Chute boxe) . Problem is in a 5 round fight it will eventually go to the ground where its game over. Gonzaga is a BJJ world champion. He's also young and a pure heavyweight.

[Capt.Caveman]

Silva is huge news. And I find it funny that a guy loses a fight or 2 and isn't considered top echelon anymore. Liddell and Silva are still tops in the world. Silva lost to a Cro-cop a HWT and Henderson. Both guys in the top 10 p4p. Liddell lost to rampage who isn't a pussy either. Knock out 10 guys in a row but lose once and your shit. I just find that humorous

[mendozathejew]

Silva is huge news. And I find it funny that a guy loses a fight or 2 and isn't considered top echelon anymore. Liddell and Silva are still tops in the world. Silva lost to a Cro-cop a HWT and Henderson. Both guys in the top 10 p4p. Liddell lost to rampage who isn't a pussy either. Knock out 10 guys in a row but lose once and your shit. I just find that humorous

if fedor ever loses we'll all hear a parade of asshole fans claiming he was always overrated. I agree with you its all silly.

but I do wonder if Silva is damaged goods since the cro cop fight. a fight like rampage liddell 2, that was a quick ko, chuck was fine 2 minutes later. but with cro cops ko of silva, that was pretty brutal. a KO like that can really shock the nervous system and leave a fighter never the same.

[av8rOC]

Silva is huge news. And I find it funny that a guy loses a fight or 2 and isn't considered top echelon anymore. Liddell and Silva are still tops in the world. Silva lost to a Cro-cop a HWT and Henderson. Both guys in the top 10 p4p. Liddell lost to rampage who isn't a pussy either. Knock out 10 guys in a row but lose once and your shit. I just find that humorous

I never said Silva was "shit", or not "top echelon" or that his signing was not huge news. I am completely stoked that he is officially signed, I cant think of anyone else at 205 to add. I just said that the Liddell Silva fight in December has lost some luster because both guys have lost their respective belts and it is no longer the Pride Champ vs UFC Champ fight that we all salivated over for years. The prediction that he wont get the UFC belt is just my opinion, as good as he is I think there is too much talent at 205 now. No hate for Wandy, I cant wait to see him in the Octogon again.

[av8rOC]

if fedor ever loses we'll all hear a parade of asshole fans claiming he was always overrated. I agree with you its all silly.

but I do wonder if Silva is damaged goods since the cro cop fight. a fight like rampage liddell 2, that was a quick ko, chuck was fine 2 minutes later. but with cro cops ko of silva, that was pretty brutal. a KO like that can really shock the nervous system and leave a fighter never the same.


Makes you wonder how Cro-Cop will respond after his last fight...

[Palerider4146]

Makes you wonder how Cro-Cop will respond after his last fight...


Excellent point there, if he even watched any tape of that fight, that could fuck his mind up a bit. Not only getting kod with your own signature move, but then realizing that your knee and ankle were spun around like a tornado was even less pretty. He already has a life outside of fighting with his government work, it will be interesting how he responds.

[av8rOC]

Excellent point there, if he even watched any tape of that fight, that could fuck his mind up a bit. Not only getting kod with your own signature move, but then realizing that your knee and ankle were spun around like a tornado was even less pretty. He already has a life outside of fighting with his government work, it will be interesting how he responds.

Something about Cro-Cop though, he always seems to rise to the occasion. Look at how well he fought in the last OWGP. (granted, no fedor though) I feel like he under estimated Gonzaga and paid the price... I dont think he will make that mistake again.

[av8rOC]

BTW Pale and all you other local MMA fans. The UFC is doing an event in November at the meadowlands. Rumored fighters are BJ Penn our own Rance. I will sure be there, we should get a wackbag tailgate going.

[mendozathejew]

I cant decide what Cro Cops problem was, and how he responds. theres a few possibilities. as much as Id rather not think about it, steroids is one possible factor. to go from as destructive and quick as he was in the OWGP to as sluggish as hes been in both UFC fights has me curious. that body kick to Gonzaga, that landed (but was was then caught and the fight was basically over) was so fucking slow its amazing when you watch how fast they were in pride. and hes talked about wondering why hes been so slugish in the UFC.

on the other hand, I firmly believe athletes who want to take steroids will. regardless of it being in Nevada or Japan. So I dont know why hed stop once fighting and getting tested in the US.

and the other big problem for Cro Cop is his absolute arrogance that gets him lazy and sloppy. when he first entered mma I remember a quote from Barnett that said Cro cop already assumes hes better than everyone and really believes it. and thats how he gets his lights turned out by randleman, maybe why gonzaga did the same.

I dont think the beating gonzaga gave was a physically destructive type, like what cro cop did to wanderlei, which took place over like 20 minutes atleast, with alot more shots landed. silva basically had both eyes closing, badly bruised ribs. one brutal KO kick or punch doesnt physically change a fighter. its usually long beatings that end in the brutal one punch or kick KO

the fight with Kongo should give the answer really quickly, and I cant wait to see how it goes down. if Cro Cop isnt capable of being at his best against Kongo, hes not going to get to that level again

[av8rOC]

I'm probably being ignorant but I dont think Cro-Cop ever used steroids. Aside from his tree trunk legs hes not an overly big guy. If in fact he was a juicer why wouldnt he use them in the Gonzaga fight...wasnt that event held in the UK? From what I have read they dont test fighters at events outside of the US. (All testing is done by the individual state's athletic commission)

I think you are right in that he gets lazy and sloppy especially after coming to the UFC. When he signed there was NOBODY that could compete at his level, hell he just won the OWGP. I think he just underestimated the competition.

One other thing about Mirko. This sport is evolving so rapidly right now. I believe that the most successfull fighters have to be well rounded in all aspects of mma. Lets face it, Cro-Cop is a kick boxer...an amazing kick boxer but still. Guys like Fedor and Gonzaga will be the most dominant because they have a well rounded game. Look at what Gonzaga and Nogiera did to Mirko on the ground! Maybe the sport is passing guys like Cro-Cop by?

[Gotti420]

I don't think Cro Cop was taking steroids, but he definitely underestimated the competition the UFC put in front of him. He just won the OWGP and defeated two fighters in Barnett and Silva that are top 5 in their divisions in the same night. After finishing Sanchez fairly easily I think he just saw Gonzaga as someone the UFC was using to build him up and did not train as hard as he should have.

I hope he doesn't make the same mistake against Kongo because even though he doesn't have much of a ground game he has great striking and is more than capable of knocking out Cro Cop

[Larz]

I think you are right in that he gets lazy and sloppy especially after coming to the UFC.

Supposedly he didn't train in an octogon which is a huge mistake especially for a striker since it favors ground fighters. You can't cut the opponent off like in a ring, and if you end up on your ass pushed up against the cage you're in big trouble.

Contrast that with Gonzaga who not only has the tools, but brought his A game with good strategy, mainly circle left-circle left look for the opening, take down, GnP. You can see in the fight cro cop was shook up eating elbows. Herb Dean threw him a lifeline but then gonzaga capitalizes.

Kongo will be a much easier fight... no worries about the ground game, no surprises. But he had better train properly, these days you can't sleep on anyone in MMA.

[mendozathejew]

apparently hes gona back to his k1 kickboxing roots and has been training with all the top guys he used to compete with. he also has talked about how motivated he is now.

so it should be a brutal beating he delivers to kongo. if not, his best days are well behind him, and wont return

[Capt.Caveman]

cro cop got caught it happens. he dropped his hands whene gonzaga threw the kick. he thought it was gonna be a body shot. he was wrong and went to sleep. it happens. not to take anything away from gonzage. i think he's a pretty tough dude. even before the ko he had that round won by far.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop got caught it happens. he dropped his hands whene gonzaga threw the kick. he thought it was gonna be a body shot. he was wrong and went to sleep. it happens. not to take anything away from gonzage. i think he's a pretty tough dude. even before the ko he had that round won by far.

but physically, he looked like shit against gonzaga, and sanchez. in both of them he looked lethargic and old. contrast that with his last two fights in pride against wandy and josh barnett, and theres questions hopefully he answers first kongo

[Larz]

cro cop got caught it happens. he dropped his hands whene gonzaga threw the kick. he thought it was gonna be a body shot. he was wrong and went to sleep. it happens. not to take anything away from gonzage. i think he's a pretty tough dude. even before the ko he had that round won by far.


Put it in context though and its pretty bad... he's a top tier kickboxer, totally telegraphs his first kick and gets stuffed (in the 1st round no less when he should be totally fresh with lots of pop), he then misreads the RHK from a guy who's got average strikes. Look at the ring movement as well... Gonzaga was dictating the left strafing and getting away with throwing a lot of punches.

A hail mary KO like the 1st randleman fight can happen to anyone, but in this case I see it the same way as Mendoza, he looked slow and out of it.

[mendozathejew]

Im finally checking out todays show with Rampage. finally they got him on and he's being his usually wise ass self. great stuff

[Larz]

the randy hype has nudged betting lines to interesting territory.

Betonfighting.com

Randy Couture -110
Gabriel Gonzaga -120

In my opinion GG should be around -150, so -120 is a pretty solid bet (this fight line is practically even!). I locked in for $360.

if the line moves even more towards couture with continued hype I'll drop another $200.

Doesn't look like theres any other betting opportunities on the card as the rest of the lines seem just about right. Gotta love how the UFC marketing machine can skew main event odds.

[av8rOC]

the randy hype has nudged betting lines to interesting territory.

Betonfighting.com

Randy Couture -110
Gabriel Gonzaga -120

In my opinion GG should be around -150, so -120 is a pretty solid bet (this fight line is practically even!). I locked in for $360.

if the line moves even more towards couture with continued hype I'll drop another $200.

Doesn't look like theres any other betting opportunities on the card as the rest of the lines seem just about right. Gotta love how the UFC marketing machine can skew main event odds.


You know its funny you mention that...I never bet on sports but I was seriously considering putting down some cash on Gonzaga. People seriously think this guy just got lucky or something against Mirko I guess. They dont realize how good he really is. Larz you make your bets online or local??

[Larz]

You know its funny you mention that...I never bet on sports but I was seriously considering putting down some cash on Gonzaga. People seriously think this guy just got lucky or something against Mirko I guess. They dont realize how good he really is. Larz you make your bets online or local??


online through my cousin's accounts as he arbs between sports books for a hobby. I rarely if ever bet on sports, maybe 4-5 times a year. For me its more about finding lines that are out of whack.

Actually my last bet was Gonzaga Crocop with the same sportsbook... thay had GG at like +425 which seemed high to me so I dropped $100. So basically Im letting it ride on him.

[av8rOC]

online through my cousin's accounts as he arbs between sports books for a hobby. I rarely if ever bet on sports, maybe 4-5 times a year. For me its more about finding lines that are out of whack.

Actually my last bet was Gonzaga Crocop with the same sportsbook... thay had GG at like +425 which seemed high to me so I dropped $100. So basically Im letting it ride on him.

Freaking bodog now has GG -145 and Randy +115 A week ago the lines were almost exactly the opposite. I think the bookies saw the hype

[Larz]

Just checked the weighin

Couture 228.5 Gonzaga 252

Not quite sure what to make of this.

[Larz]

Freaking bodog now has GG -145 and Randy +115 A week ago the lines were almost exactly the opposite. I think the bookies saw the hype


Shit.. I missed that. didn't really think of betting the fight till yesterday.

You're not getting much bang for the buck at -145.

Its really amazing... take UFC 71, the line on Rampage started at +240, by fight day he was at +130. Where else do you see swings like that??? I swear it was due in part to novices being clued in when Spike started running those Rampage feature shows + Pride footage.

[mendozathejew]

din thomas at +160 against kenny florian in september looks very tempting.


Anyone interested in watching the ppv tonight on their computer for free can send me a PM and I'll give you the win amp link and another method

[Larz]

Betonfighting moved GG to -150 as I figured so not putting anything extra down.

+160 for Din thomas isn't bad... but UFN 11 is a long ways off.

UFC 75 The Jackson-Henderson line could get interesting

[mendozathejew]

Betonfighting moved GG to -150 as I figured so not putting anything extra down.

+160 for Din thomas isn't bad... but UFN 11 is a long ways off.

UFC 75 The Jackson-Henderson line could get interesting

sometimes youve got to jump all over the opening odds. i dont bet often, I pick my spots, more often in boxing than mma. sometimes in boxing they open at 7 to 1, when it reality its a 3 to 1 fight, that by fight time ends up pretty even. 3 to 1 type under dogs win constantly in boxing

[TEXAS TRUCKER]

Couture Baby!!!! 44 and gonna kick ass. Old "Gramps" Couture is one bad mofo.

[Steam]

Well, that's what I get for doubting The Natural.

[mendozathejew]

gonzaga Im sure is still a tough out for alot of guys, but it looks like he wasnt all that we thought he was after the cro cop win.

as great as randy is, gonazaga's will was broken so early it was pretty shocking. maybe he just wasnt ready for a consummate pro like randy, but he got buzzed early by a mediocre punch. hes got phenominal high kicks, that shot to cro cop was no fluke, but his offense and defense with his hands is really awful.

I would love to see randy vs nog or fedor. or both. it will be interesting to see who they put infront of him next. Randy performed great, his hands are much improved, and he takes a much better shot at HW when he doesnt have to cut any weight.

[zagman76]

Anybody know where the huge puddle of blood came from in the ring? I watched the 'bonus' match at the end of the show, and it wasn't there. It was there for the 1st fight of the live show though.

[Gotti420]

Anybody know where the huge puddle of blood came from in the ring? I watched the 'bonus' match at the end of the show, and it wasn't there. It was there for the 1st fight of the live show though.

My guess would be the Sobral fight.

[sniper]

My guess would be the Sobral fight.

you would be corrrrrrect, low class shit, no wonder they didn't show it.

Round 2 - the two fighters clinch in the center. Heath drives to the side of the cage but Sobral scores a trip takedown and climbs on top. Sobral lands some huge punches and elbows. Sobral opens a huge cut which starts pouring blood. Heath is absorbing a ton of punishment, both fighters are just covered in Heath’s blood. Heath finally gets enough of a sweep to start to stand up. Sobral locks in a front choke - Heath flips over but its deep. Heath taps at 3:30 of the second round, but Sobral absolutely will not let go. Finally the red separates them, after Heath is out cold. Sobral mentions in the post-fight interview that’ve didn’t let go on purpose, that Heath “needs to learn some respect” and that he “deserves that sh*t.“

He held the choke in for another 5-7 seconds after the tap, Mazzagatti had to pull him off.

[zagman76]

I wanna see it! :(

[Rob]

I wanna see it! :(

yeah, me too...

[Cromwell]

Here's a good recap of last nights fights

LAS VEGAS, Aug. 25. -- It's become old hat, these so-called "shockers."

Forty-four years young, facing a larger heavyweight 16 years his junior whose style appeared to mix like oil to his water, UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture (Pictures), a perpetual underdog throughout his storied mixed martial arts career, entered his eighteenth bout in the octagon Saturday night and did exactly what he said he was going to do: dominate.

Why would anyone be surprised at this point?

Less than two minutes into the third round of a compelling fight, Brazilian challenger Gabriel Gonzaga (Pictures), who earlier this year earned his way into the title shot by brutally knocking out Mirko Filipovic (Pictures) with a head kick, lay beaten and blooded as a crowd of 11,118 inside the Mandalay Bay Events Center eagerly cheered Couture for having just vanquished another would-be king.

"The Natural" is a patient tactician, yet in defeating Tim Sylvia (Pictures) to recapture the heavyweight crown this past March and versus Gonzaga tonight, he managed to score the first meaningful salvo nearly off the opening bell.

A snapping left hook to Gonzaga's chin had the 252-pound challenger out of Ludlow, Mass. dancing like a grade-schooler intent on avoiding cracks in the ground. The heavyweights engaged in a clinch for the first time, and Couture failed to grapple Gonzaga to the canvas. Instead, they traded punches and kicks, and Couture again landed a clean power shot with his left that seemed to hurt the 28-year-old challenger.

Against the octagon fencing, Couture hoisted Gonzaga high in the air before twisting him almost parallel to the floor and dumping him on his head. Though Gonzaga stood almost immediately, the result of an accidental clash of heads showed on his face.

"I think that's what cut his nose pretty bad," stated Couture, now 16-8-0. "When he came down our heads came together. I heard the crunch and I knew his nose was broken."

Gonzaga, now forced to breathe through his mouth, faced a rabid champion, who wailed away on the inside until the horn for round one sounded. Napao walked back to his corner with the lower half of his face covered in blood.

A minute's rest and the work of an expert cut-man did little to staunch the flow from Gonzaga's battered nose.

Early in the second, the fighters clinched and Gonzaga (8-2) looked to referee Herb Dean (Pictures) for help. Mouthing to the official that he could not see, Dean precariously moved in before separating the fighters and engaging in a discussion with the challenger. Soon, a Nevada State Athletic Commission ringside physician joined the pair, and the fight was allowed to continue.

Dean restarted action in the same position and Couture, a former U.S. Greco-Roman Olympic wrestling hopeful, tried right away to put Gonzaga on the mat. To avoid going down, however, Napao grabbed the fence and Dean responded by deducting a point. They remained against the chain-link and Couture unloaded with combinations on the inside.

"I just had to stay in that range," said Couture. "He's a big strong guy -- you don't want to stand on the outside."

With a dominant round and the point deduction, a case could have been made for a 10-7 score in the second period. Yet scoring held little relevance compared to time -- a significant points lead was nice, but with 15 minutes remaining in the five-round title fight it didn't appear Gonzaga, wilted against Couture's pace and pressure, would last long enough to make the judges' tally meaningful.

"I felt like if I got in his face, kept the pressure on him, and was able to frustrate him from there, that it would pay dividends as the fight went on," said Couture. "I think he just wore down."

Gonzaga unloaded whatever guns he had left to start the third, firing a high kick that grazed the champion's head before nearly connecting flush on a second. But Couture stood his ground and, after several attempts, finally had the Brazilian controlled down on canvas with a trip takedown.

In position to finish, Couture unleashed a torrent of undefended punches from half-guard that forced Dean to halt the fight at the 1:37 mark.

What's next for the champ? The UFC heavyweight division has improved greatly over what it was even a year ago and could provide the champ several intriguing options.

A clash pitting former PRIDE champion Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Pictures) and Couture could be compelling, though "Minotauro" hardly looked great in his UFC debut against Heath Herring (Pictures) in July.

The real prize -- for Couture and fans alike -- of course is Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), who would provide "The Natural" a chance to make prognosticators look foolish once again. More importantly, it would give mixed martial arts fans a dream fight pitting the Ultimate competitor against the perceived best mixed martial artist on the planet.

St. Pierre looks great in return

Fighting for the first time since a stunning loss in April that saw him relinquish the UFC welterweight belt to Matt Serra (Pictures), Georges St. Pierre (Pictures) cast aside questions about his mental state to out-point the gifted Josh Koscheck (Pictures) over three rounds.

A participant on the debut season of The Ultimate Fighter, Koscheck quickly climbed the ranks of the 170-pound division, and tonight stood on the cusp of solidifying his place amongst the best in the division. But it was not to be for the American Kickboxing Academy welterweight.

St. Pierre put Koscheck, 29, off balance in the first by putting the former College All-American wrestler on his back with a powerful double-leg takedown. The popular French Canadian, who upped his record to 14-2, controlled position until a scramble let Koscheck land a his own takedown.

Both Adalaide Byrd and Jeff Collins saw the opening frame for Koscheck, while Glenn Trowbridge scored it 10-9 for the 26-year-old St. Pierre.

There was no disagreement between judges in the second, with each seeing a 10-9 advantage in favor of the eventual winner. Aided by another takedown -- "My plan was to put him out of his comfort zone, so I knew he was not very acclimated to fight from his back," said St. Pierre -- the former champion controlled from half-guard and spent much of his time digging for a Kimura on Koscheck's right arm.

The majority of round three was fought on the feet. Koscheck's corner screamed for him to move forward and aggressively strike, and though he tried, the explosive fighter failed to connect on anything substantial.

As he'd done against top wrestlers in the past, St. Pierre stuffed Koscheck's final takedown attempt and concluded the fight with an effective series of ground-and-pound from the guard.

While Trowbridge scored each round for St. Pierre, Byrd and had it a bit closer at 29-28.

Sports Illustrated cover boy Roger Huerta (Pictures) was impressive in picking up a third-round technical knockout against UFC newcomer Alberto Crane (Pictures).

Huerta (19-1-1) dominated from the opening bell with punches from a plethora of angles, which was made easier by the fact that Crane left his face exposed as he attempted leg submissions through the course of the fight.

Exhausted from trying to fend off the powerful Huerta, Crane (8-1) moved from fight- to survival-mode in the second period. That continued into the third when "El Matador," a major focus of the UFC's push into the Hispanic market, showed some imagination while watching himself on one of the giant screens inside the arena.

"He was holding my back," said Huerta. "I couldn't see where his head was."

Huerta found his target several times with winging backward elbows, leading to the finish at the 1:50 mark of the final period when the previously undefeated Crane, wearing a sizeable mouse under his right eye, was saved from further punishment by referee Steve Mazzagatti.

Joe Stevenson (Pictures) bested Kurt Pellegrino (Pictures) by unanimous decision after the skilled lightweights traded strikes and positions for three tough rounds.

The first two frames were extremely hotly contested, but Stevenson, now 28-7-0, turned it on in the third and cemented his victory with a series of unanswered right hands that rocked Pellegrino, now 10-3-0.

Judges Gene LeBell and Doug Crosby saw the bout 30-27, while Cecil Peoples scored it 29-28.

Afterwards, it was learned that Stevenson, who could be in line for a lightweight title shot, suffered a broken jaw during the bout.

Patrick Cote (Pictures) shocked Ultimate Fighter 3 middleweight champion Kendall Grove (Pictures), claiming a stoppage victory over the Team Punishment fighter at 4:45 of the first period.

Cote, who upped his record to 11-4 in winning his second straight UFC fight after dropping his first four, landed a right hand to the side of head that buckled Grove (8-4-0) to the canvas. The Canadian followed the 6-foot-6 Grove to the floor, where he bombed away with punches until referee Herb Dean (Pictures) stepped in to save the dazed Hawaiian.

Dark Matches

Renato Sobral (Pictures) created controversy in his submission of David Heath (Pictures), which came at 3:30 of the second.

After wrapping up the American's neck in an anaconda choke, Sobral refused to acknowledge Heath's tap, prompting referee Steve Mazzagatti to desperately force Sobral's arms from the unconscious fighter.

Several seconds passed before "Babalu" finally released the hold, leaving Heath (7-2-0) out on the mat for several moments before he made it to his feet. Sobral, now 28-7-0, was showered with boos as he left the stage after telling UFC's Joe Rogan that he intentionally held on to the choke despite knowing that Heath had tapped.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Direct Keith Kizer said after the fight that he planned on holding half of Sobral's $50,000 purse until a review of his conduct against Heath could be completed.

Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir (Pictures) made quick work of Antoni Hardonk (Pictures), catching the Dutch fighter with a tight Kimura at 1:17 of the opening frame.

Mir, who upped his record to 10-3-0 with the win, took the bout to the canvas after catching a Hardonk (5-4-0) low kick. The Las Vegan wasted little time in moving to side-control, where he tied up the striker's arm and solicited a tap to the painful hold.

BJJ black belt Thales Leites (Pictures) improved to 12-1-0 with a flashy display of technique on the ground, forcing UFC newcomer Ryan Jensen (Pictures) to submit due to an armbar at 3:47 of the first.

Jensen, now 11-2-0 with the loss, scored early with right hands that rattled Leites twice, but in the end it was not enough as the Brazilian regrouped and took advantage after a gutsy trip takedown midway through the frame.

It was here that the Nova Uniao-trained middleweight looked for a rear-naked choke and an inverted arm-triangle before settling on the beautiful tapout-inducing armbar.

The evening's first bout saw lightweight Clay Guida (Pictures) take a split decision victory over American Top Team lightweight Marcus Aurelio. Guida, 22-8-0, launched left- and right-handed haymakers throughout the match, while defending the Brazilian's repeated attempts to pull guard.

Judges Patricia Morse Jarman and Jeff Collins scored the contest 30-27 for the victor, while Adalaide Byrd had it the other way (29-28) for Aurelio, who dropped to 14-5-0 with the defeat. Sherdog.com scored the bout 30-27 for Guida.

"This ain't PRIDE anymore," said Guida while addressing Aurelio, who fought several times for the PRIDE organization before Zuffa took control of the reigns. "This is the UFC."

****

My Opinion: Not suprised at all that Randy dominated. He is the smartest, best conditioned athlete in the game. Last night proved it again.

I am suprised to see Kendall Grove get caught like that by Patrick Cote. Not that I don't think Cote can be Grove (obviously he did) but I thought Grove would be smarter than to get tagged like that.

St. Pierre won on points. Not exactly a "best 170 lber for years to come" performance. He's not a shoo-in or a lock for anything. He has to show more than that for an immediate title rematch.

I can't believe Babalu admitted he held the choke for too long. This guy has to realize he's in a sporting event and not a street fight.

[locallounge]

I did a search and didn't find anything on this, so here is a link to Jason "Mayhem" Millers spoof/parody of Tapout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSXBeecYCSQ

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[mendozathejew]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7933/captaincouturewi3.jpg

now if only Fedor can sign with the UFC. between his russian management team, and dana white, we've got two of the worlds most stubborn forces known to man trying to reach a compromise.

it sounds like the only sticking point is dana white does not want to allow fedor to compete in Sambo tournaments, which Fedor insists on. its like rampage was saying about some fighters fighting for country, thats why fedor insists on competing in sambo.

it would be a legendary fight, probably bigger than fedor cro cop. Randy says Fedor is the best fighter in the world, while Fedor says Randy is his favorite fighter and cant gush enough when he explains why. it will be a fucking shame if it doesnt happen. no one trains harder, and game plans better than the two of them it would be a great fight

[av8rOC]

I wanna see it! :(


http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ufc+74/video/x2uaae_renato-babalu-sobral-vs-david-heath_extreme


Total classless fuck. Shame to, he really looked good in the fight. The NSAC is witholding half his purse for the act. (25k)

[mendozathejew]

I wonder how long his suspension will be. I'll be shocked if he isnt given atleast 6 months

[Sprite]

Damn good night of fights. Once again, Randy defies all odds and sets the age bar yet another notch higher. The Grove/Cote fight was the surprise for me, and I really enjoyed watching Joe Daddy and Pellegrino go at it. I'd have been rooting for the hometown favorite Pellegrino big time, except Joe Stevenson is such a class act and amazing fighter that I really didn't care who won. If anyone wants to know how to download the entire event, I may or may not know how. PM me.

Cromwell, I tried to PM you but you reached your PM limit. Pretty popular for an old man. :icon_wink Send me a PM so I can give you some info.

EDIT - what the fuck is wrong with Mazagatti not stopping that fight -OR- at the very least, pausing for a doctor to look at the cut. when Rogan calls it a bloodbath, it's bad.

[Palerider4146]

Fucking Babalu should get more than just half his winnings taken for that, that was completely classless, much worse than BJ on Jens. He is then arrogant enough to admit it. Fucking asshole, this isnt the streets of Brazil you schmuck.

That cut really should have been looked at, Mazzagatti is a better ref than that.

[filthgrinder]

I'd really have like to have seen what would have happened if GG's nose didn't get busted up so early. Breathing through his mouth and being smothered in Randy's clinch just drained the will out of Gonzaga. When he did manage to get away he had some good kicks and some shots. But Randy would have none of it and clinched up and went to work with the dirty boxing. Plus he got off a good slam in the first.

You gotta hand it to Randy though, he went in with an excellent game plan and worked it. Especially since the busted nose worked into it.

I wouldn't count Gonzaga out yet. He's got the tools to give some heavy weights problems.

[Cromwell]

Cromwell, I tried to PM you but you reached your PM limit. Pretty popular for an old man. :icon_wink


You got that right. Never forget it :icon_wink


Send me a PM so I can give you some info.


OK.


Joe Lauzon has some thoughts on the fights. Check 'em out http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=25 here.

[Rance]

Cromwell is on top of things, as always.

I have heard rumors that there might be someone from this board fighting in New Jersey (just outside Newark) in Mid November. I also heard an opponent has been agreed upon but they are waiting for a contract to be signed before it can be officially announced.

[Kid Brock]

How long before we see you on a episode of Tapout? So we can watch those maniacs say your name in funny ways and wear costumes to your fights.

[Captain_Spaulding]

How long before we see you on a episode of Tapout? So we can watch those maniacs say your name in funny ways and wear costumes to your fights.

Bingo...what the fuck is up with those tools and their clown garb. That show is completely fucking unwatchable with the exception of the fight highlights at the end. Thank god for tivo. At least TUF starts up again in a few weeks. And can someone please tell me why those dummies at Tapout have such gay nicknames?

[Captain_Spaulding]

Cromwell is on top of things, as always.

I have heard rumors that there might be someone from this board fighting in New Jersey (just outside Newark) in Mid November. I also heard an opponent has been agreed upon but they are waiting for a contract to be signed before it can be officially announced.

It will be great to see said fighter fight again and he is a fucking blast to watch destroy other gentlemen.

[Cromwell]

Cromwell is on top of things, as always.


Ha! Thanks Rance. Yeah, I get (and read) the emails :icon_cool Your thoughts on the fights gave an insight you don't always get from the pro writers (who do a good job, but can give the "Rance-eye-view" of things) :icon_wink


I have heard rumors that there might be someone from this board fighting in New Jersey (just outside Newark) in Mid November. I also heard an opponent has been agreed upon but they are waiting for a contract to be signed before it can be officially announced.

Its is safe to say that the Wackbag O&A MMA fans will be there to root you on in full force? Yes, I think so.

[mendozathejew]

Cro Cop training camp Video

http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070827_24151_67161.php

first few minutes are interviews with dean listen, gilbert yvel, and remy bojansky. then sparring with cro cop and bojansky

its interesting in the interview bojansky is asked if mirko has lost some of standup skills since k1 and he said yes, but they are coming back to him

[Standby]

I have heard rumors that there might be someone from this board fighting in New Jersey (just outside Newark) in Mid November.

Nice! Can't wait to find out who you're fighting, Cromwell. :action-sm

I'd really love to go to the UFC event if they're doing it at the new Prudential Center. Would be awesome, and I'd be up for going with anyone from the board...

[Palerider4146]

Nice! Can't wait to find out who you're fighting, Cromwell. :action-sm




Look at his second sig pic, he's obviously fighting me. That was our weigh in. Cromwell is jumping up 3 weight classes to fight me at SuperFatFuck class.

[Suicidebree]

We got to do something special in Jersey to show our love for Joe. I've got a group of eight going at this point and it seems like a bunch of you are going as well. Just joined the fight club for early tickets.

Both guys you are rumored to be fighting(Florian and Edgar) are very tough. Good luck.

[av8rOC]

We got to do something special in Jersey to show our love for Joe. I've got a group of eight going at this point and it seems like a bunch of you are going as well. Just joined the fight club for early tickets.

Both guys you are rumored to be fighting(Florian and Edgar) are very tough. Good luck.


I will absolutely be there with some buddies and will be down for some tailgaiting.


Crom thanks for the link to Rances site, I enjoyed his commentary. Anyone catch that nugget about how he thinks Stevenson will face BJ for the vacant LW title soon? (Assuming of course Sherk is stripped) I cant wait to see Penn fight again.

Something else I read today is that GSP wont be fighting until the next spring against the winner of Hughes/Serra. Kind of a bummer to wait that long but they are saying it is going to be in Canada in front of his countrymen. I think a UFC event in Canada is long overdue, those guys love their mma.

[Cromwell]

Cro Cop training camp Video

http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070827_24151_67161.php

first few minutes are interviews with dean listen, gilbert yvel, and remy bojansky. then sparring with cro cop and bojansky

its interesting in the interview bojansky is asked if mirko has lost some of standup skills since k1 and he said yes, but they are coming back to him

Good clip, Mendoza. Thanks for posting. This is a bit of a bombshell - Gilbert Yvel said he was fighting Fedor next.

Speaking of clips – do you (or anyone here) still have that clip (or link to) that parking lot fight that was posted sometime between last summer and now? I’ve been looking through this thread to try and find it, but so far haven’t run across it yet.

Nice! Can't wait to find out who you're fighting, Cromwell. :action-sm


Look at his second sig pic, he's obviously fighting me. That was our weigh in. Cromwell is jumping up 3 weight classes to fight me at SuperFatFuck class.

Ha, ha. Good one, you too. :icon_mrgr Well, with Randy as my inspiration that you’re never too old if you stay in shape, I’ll – at the very least – keep on training.


I'd really love to go to the UFC event if they're doing it at the new Prudential Center. Would be awesome, and I'd be up for going with anyone from the board...

Is that the new arena they’re building for the Devils hockey team? Yeah, I’m definitely down with checking all that out.

We got to do something special in Jersey to show our love for Joe. I've got a group of eight going at this point and it seems like a bunch of you are going as well

Both guys you are rumored to be fighting(Florian and Edgar) are very tough. Good luck.

Really? K-Flo is a potential match? Frankly, I think Kenny deserves a title shot.

I will absolutely be there with some buddies and will be down for some tailgaiting.


Crom thanks for the link to Rances site, I enjoyed his commentary.


No prob.


Anyone catch that nugget about how he thinks Stevenson will face BJ for the vacant LW title soon? (Assuming of course Sherk is stripped) I cant wait to see Penn fight again.


Same here – but I think Florian is the guy BJ should be fighting for the title. No disrespect to Stevenson, but I think K-Flo has earned a second title shot, after losing a close (and somewhat controversial) decision to Sherk.


Something else I read today is that GSP wont be fighting until the next spring against the winner of Hughes/Serra. Kind of a bummer to wait that long


Yeah. Still, those are the top three guys there at the moment, so it probably makes the most sense.


they are saying it is going to be in Canada in front of his countrymen. I think a UFC event in Canada is long overdue


Dana’s been trying to get that one together for a while now.


those guys love their mma.

Well, in the Crocop clip that Mendoza posted, Gilbert Yvel says his fight with Fedor will be on Octber 6 in Canada. Probably a Bodog fight. So, they get their matches up there anyway.

[Suicidebree]

Really? K-Flo is a potential match? Frankly, I think Kenny deserves a title shot.


Never mind that was old info. I guess Florian is fighting Din thomas at the next fight night.

[mendozathejew]

Good clip, Mendoza. Thanks for posting. This is a bit of a bombshell - Gilbert Yvel said he was fighting Fedor next.


I think yvel was either joking sacrastically (and poorly) or jumping to conclusions after a few negotiations. he doesnt even know what promotion its supposed to be.


din thomas vs kenny florian- din is a +160 under dog. thats a nice payoff i think

[Palerider4146]

Some interesting fights coming up in the next few months. The next UFN has the return of none other than Nate Quarry. He hasnt fought since getting ko'd by Ace. Brandon Vera is getting his last contracted UFC fight against Sylvia, I wonder if he wins do they try to resign him to fight Randy? Also Ace gets his rematch against the Spider, but I really wonder how Ace will do? Chuck is taking on Jardine. The UFC 75 free card is stacked pretty well also, Rampage vs Dan, Cheick vs Crocop, upon others, nice. Granted the UFC doesnt have a main competitor anymore, but they are putting up some nice fights.

[av8rOC]

Some interesting fights coming up in the next few months. The next UFN has the return of none other than Nate Quarry. He hasnt fought since getting ko'd by Ace. Brandon Vera is getting his last contracted UFC fight against Sylvia, I wonder if he wins do they try to resign him to fight Randy? Also Ace gets his rematch against the Spider, but I really wonder how Ace will do? Chuck is taking on Jardine. The UFC 75 free card is stacked pretty well also, Rampage vs Dan, Cheick vs Crocop, upon others, nice. Granted the UFC doesnt have a main competitor anymore, but they are putting up some nice fights.


Actually Vera inked a new 6 fight deal with the UFC earlier this month. Really looking forward to his return and watching him tool on timmay the goon.:clap:

[av8rOC]

Everyone say a little MMA prayer today....Fedor is in Vegas with his management meeting with UFC officials in the hopes of finalizing a deal. He is also being courted by the IFL, K1, and strikeforce but the UFC's offer is most lucrative. If the details can be worked out we will have the most exciting fighter in the world in the UFC.

[Standby]

Actually Vera inked a new 6 fight deal with the UFC earlier this month. Really looking forward to his return and watching him tool on timmay the goon.:clap:

When did this happen? Vera's out of the same camp I take muay thai classes at, under Lloyd Irvin. (Granted I'm just at one of the schools but still, school pride for The Truth!)

I was really disappointed he couldn't ink a new deal, since he was probably getting the title shot at Sylvia before all the influx of talent and Randy's return and all of that.

He's got a lot to get through if he wants to taste gold at heavyweight now...


Oh, and also, if people are seriously thinking about getting tickets to 78 in NJ, I'd be more than willing to make the trip up for it. Tickets are available on UFC's site only up to UFC 77, so nothing yet. I don't even know if it's officially confirmed. There's no mention of it on UFC's site.

Either way, if anyone is looking to do this, I'd be willing to get a seat with y'all and pay whoever whatever it costs.

And hopefully fellow mod papagolash is reading this, since I know he and I talked about going to this a while back when it first was rumored.

[av8rOC]

When did this happen? Vera's out of the same camp I take muay thai classes at, under Lloyd Irvin. (Granted I'm just at one of the schools but still, school pride for The Truth!)

I was really disappointed he couldn't ink a new deal, since he was probably getting the title shot at Sylvia before all the influx of talent and Randy's return and all of that.

He's got a lot to get through if he wants to taste gold at heavyweight now...

http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/19/brandon-vera-signs-new-six-fight-deal/

[Cromwell]

Never mind that was old info. I guess Florian is fighting Din thomas at the next fight night.

And if Hughes is there, he’ll still say “his lips be flappin’” :icon_mrgr I hope K-flo opens him up with his razor sharp elbows.

I think yvel was either joking sacrastically (and poorly) or jumping to conclusions after a few negotiations. he doesnt even know what promotion its supposed to be.


Yeah, I could tell he was tyring to joke about Fedor being “scared” of him – but I thought the fight was set. I think Fedor has bigger fish to fry.

About my other request - has anybody found that link (somewhere here in this thread) to that street/parking lot fight that showed some MMA guys doing battle? I'd like to see it again.


din thomas vs kenny florian- din is a +160 under dog. thats a nice payoff i think

Yeah, from strictly a gamblers point of view it might make sense to go with the underdog there.

Some interesting fights coming up in the next few months. The next UFN has the return of none other than Nate Quarry. He hasnt fought since getting ko'd by Ace.


It will be interesting to see where he’s at these days.


Brandon Vera against Sylvia


That will be the classic "skill vs. size". Always a compelling match.


Ace gets his rematch against the Spider, but I really wonder how Ace will do?


They’ve done everything to set it up in his favor. The match is in his hometown. Franklin saw Silva’s last match so he certainly should have worked out a gameplan. I think he should keep it to the outside and strike from there. No clinch, and no ground. Pure standup – kicking and punching. Kind of like his fight with Tanner. I think Franklin could prevail from there.


Chuck is taking on Jardine.


Should be interesting. Both have something to prove.


The UFC 75 free card is stacked pretty well also, Rampage vs Dan, Cheick vs Crocop, upon others, nice. Granted the UFC doesnt have a main competitor anymore, but they are putting up some nice fights.

I agree that is an excellent *free* night of fights. But, we all know why its free – they couldn’t do a PPV during the daytime (which is night in England)

Everyone say a little MMA prayer today....Fedor is in Vegas with his management meeting with UFC officials in the hopes of finalizing a deal. He is also being courted by the IFL, K1, and strikeforce but the UFC's offer is most lucrative. If the details can be worked out we will have the most exciting fighter in the world in the UFC.

He’d be crazy to go anywhere else. The IFL is fun to watch, but its not the top league.

Vera's out of the same camp I take muay thai classes at, under Lloyd Irvin. (Granted I'm just at one of the schools but still, school pride for The Truth!)


Well, you gotta be true to your school . . . . :icon_wink


if people are seriously thinking about getting tickets to 78 in NJ, I'd be more than willing to make the trip up for it. Tickets are available on UFC's site only up to UFC 77, so nothing yet. I don't even know if it's officially confirmed. There's no mention of it on UFC's site.

Either way, if anyone is looking to do this, I'd be willing to get a seat with y'all and pay whoever whatever it costs.


We’ll definitely get a group together if this happens. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Nice! Can't wait to find out who you're fighting, Cromwell. :action-sm




cromwell vs liddell

[Cromwell]

cromwell vs liddell

Heh, heh.

Yeah, I could be like Johnny Drama on Entourage :icon_mrgr

Is that you in your avatar pic, Sgt. Caveman?

If so, may I compliment you on your plumbers crack. :p

[Capt.Caveman]

Heh, heh.

Yeah, I could be like Johnny Drama on Entourage :icon_mrgr

Is that you in your avatar pic, Sgt. Caveman?

If so, may I compliment you on your plumbers crack. :p

It certainly is and I know my hinee is marvelous. it's ok to stare, I'm used to it :action-sm

[commish13]

I've been watching the original UFC shows over the past few months, and I just watched UFC IX and X tonight. 9 SUUUUUUUUUUUCKED, but 10 was fantastic. Coleman made Frye look like a bitch the same night that Frye made Hall look like a bitch. Good stuff.

[Rance]

I couldn't talk about it until now, but I will be fighting Jason Reinhardt November 17th at UFC78 in New Jersey. Reinhardt is a Miletich Fighter (same team as Jens Pulver and Spencer Fisher) with an 18-0 record... with 14 wins coming by submission and 4 wins coming by TKO.

Read More: http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=27

[Cromwell]

I couldn't talk about it until now, but I will be fighting Jason Reinhardt November 17th at UFC78 in New Jersey. Reinhardt is a Miletich Fighter (same team as Jens Pulver and Spencer Fisher) with an 18-0 record... with 14 wins coming by submission and 4 wins coming by TKO.

Read More: http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=27

Awesome, Joe!

Will definitely be there. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

I couldn't talk about it until now, but I will be fighting Jason Reinhardt November 17th at UFC78 in New Jersey. Reinhardt is a Miletich Fighter (same team as Jens Pulver and Spencer Fisher) with an 18-0 record... with 14 wins coming by submission and 4 wins coming by TKO.

Read More: http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=27

Will be there rooting you on Joe, GL. It's time this guy fought some quality competition.

[commish13]

Hey, that's the 100th UFC show, too.

[Suicidebree]

punch him in his fucking face.

[burky79]

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WEC (http://www.wec.tv/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.fightCard&eid=676)

UFC 75 Countdown (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventdetail.home&eid=884)

[Cromwell]

Good thing I gots da cable! :)

[Papagolash]

Shit I have no cable, yay for paltalk!

[av8rOC]

pretty decent fights, but not world class IMO. Even Rob McCullough would was a standout would have a tough time in the UFC's stacked LW division.

then again, more mma more gooder.

cant wait for Saturday night.:D

[mendozathejew]

cro cop refs a boxing match in a backyard between two old men. it has a nice ending

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjx4c_crocop-home-movie_sport

[Cromwell]

pretty decent fights, but not world class IMO. Even Rob McCullough would was a standout would have a tough time in the UFC's stacked LW division.

then again, more mma more gooder.


I thought some of the fights were entertaining. That bantam weight championship bout was a good one.


cant wait for Saturday night.:D

Me either. Besides the obvious healine matches, I’m intrigued by the Bisbing-Hamil showdown.

cro cop refs a boxing match in a backyard between two old men. it has a nice ending

Lol. Dude, where do you find this stuff?

That was great. But – one glove for each combatant? I guess the rules were you could only hit with your right. I enjoyed that one a lot.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I’m intrigued by the Bisbing-Hamil showdown.


If Hamil hasn't improved his stand up, he's going to get owned, IMO.

[Cromwell]

If Hamil hasn't improved his stand up, he's going to get owned, IMO.

Unless he takes it to the ground?

Its all about who imposes who's better game on whom. (I know that's a lot of "who's" there).

Did you see the latest Countdown to UFC episode? It seems Hamil *has* improved his standup. But don't think for a minute he isn't going to be trying to take Bisbing down all match. The Count better have worked on his stuff 'n sprall (ala Chuck Lidell). Bisbing also struggled a bit against Elvis Sinosic and only pulled it out with a ground and pound. Don't expect that to happen against world class wrestler Matt Hamil.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Good point. Has Bisbing been working on his ground defense?

[av8rOC]

Bisping is better on his feet and the ground IMO. Hamil may be able to take him down but nothing after that.
This is a TUF fan matchup, Hamil isnt even close to the same caliber as Bisping.

I wonder how many casual UFC fans realize just how huge the Rampage-Hendo fight is?

[burky79]

for anyone who hasnt read/watched spoilers, i started a watching thread for 75 (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=75026)

[Suicidebree]

Fucking Hamil got robbed!!!! Wow travesty. Dana complained about boxing matches being fixed. Anywhere else in the world and Matt wins.
Rampage got much better. Seems like he is really dedicated. hope henderson is sticking around.
Crocop looked awful, heard he suffered a broken rib in round one.

[mendozathejew]

should we still keep all the ufc 75 stuff in the seperate thread for it? probably easier that way but Im a dumb heeb

[burky79]

should we still keep all the ufc 75 stuff in the seperate thread for it? probably easier that way but Im a dumb heebi would think so, just so if anyone goes back and references UFC 75 3 weeks, 4 weeks, etc down the road they dont bring this general MMA thread to a halt.

but im a dumb scott/kraut mutt.

:)

[Cromwell]

Bisping is better on his feet and the ground IMO. Hamil may be able to take him down but nothing after that.
This is a TUF fan matchup, Hamil isnt even close to the same caliber as Bisping.

Care to revise that statement, av8rOC? :icon_wink

I was right about this fight all along. :icon_cool

Oh, and av8r - I'm not calling you out or anything - your MMA knowledge and contributions to this topic have been top notch all along.

But credit needs to be given to Hamil for improving his game - I guess a lot of that credit goes to Tito and is coaching staff. But ultimately the gains (or losses) are due to the hard work of the individual fighter.

I'm very impressed with Hamill's development.

[novalia]

the picture in my mind before the fight was hamil sticking his head out and bisbing punching it like a speed bag.. i was pretty surprised to see what happened.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Hamil was robbed, there had better be a rematch in the USA.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hamil was robbed, there had better be a rematch in the USA.

QFT

[Awful Me]

Houston Alexander scares me from the television.

After the fight is over for that first minute I am pretty sure he is considering killing everyone in the octagon.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Yeah, he'd be on death row if it wasn't for MMA.

[mik3]

Alexander seems like he'll be a great guy for what is about to be a pretty packed right below-serious contender realm of the 205 class. Put on good fights, but never be in serious contention for the belt.

[av8rOC]

[QUOTE=Cromwell;2074157]Care to revise that statement, av8rOC? :icon_wink

I was right about this fight all along. :icon_cool

Oh, and av8r - I'm not calling you out or anything - your MMA knowledge and contributions to this topic have been top notch all along.

But credit needs to be given to Hamil for improving his game - I guess a lot of that credit goes to Tito and is coaching staff. But ultimately the gains (or losses) are due to the hard work of the individual fighter.

I'm very impressed with Hamill's development.[/QUOTE/]

What are you talking about I told you bisping would win....
Seriously though, I cant believe how wrong i was, but credit Hammill with some seriously improved mma skills. I still thought his gnp from the guard is aweful but he still dominated the fight. Worst decision i have ever seen, boxing included.