Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Cromwell]

You're talking finals, not semi's, yes? If so, I'll take that bet.
No offense Rance, just sounds like a fun bet... not a sure one.
You're on, sucka :icon_mrgr

Joe to go all he way. :icon_cool

[Larz]

Supposedly it's a $30,000 bonus for "of the night"s.
$30K for "KO of the night"
$30K for "Submission of the night"

and $30K to each fighter in "Fight of the night"


Nice incentives since most of the fighters actually make less than those bonuses. They should announce who got what at the end of each fight night sort of like MVP awards.

[StonerJack]

I would assume Joe was the recipient of a UFC bonus

[abudabit]

Mixed martial athletes gear up for documentary
Monday April 30 11:03 PM ET

The bone-crunching sport of mixed martial arts is coming to the big screen.

The feature, now in production, will follow six to eight top athletes from the EliteXC league, which has appeared on Showtime, in pay-per-view events and live via streaming on ProElite.com. ProElite is producing with Bombo Sports & Entertainment.

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques. MMA is still controversial, and events have been approved in fewer than half of U.S states.

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Among the EliteXC athletes who will be profiled in the documentary is Gina Carano, a successful fighter who recently transitioned from Muay Thai fighting to MMA and was a big hit on the Showtime card in February.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.

[MikeyP]

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques.

What's up with this statement? Looks like some reporter somewhere didn't get his facts straight.

[Larz]

What's up with this statement? Looks like some reporter somewhere didn't get his facts straight.

My gf calls MMA "ultimate fighting" too. I guess its a testament to Dana White's marketing skills. Tae Kwan Do as 1 of the main disciplines was also good for a chuckle.

[mendozathejew]

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.

how could u not
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/carano4xs0.gif

[Cromwell]

My gf calls MMA "ultimate fighting" too. I guess its a testament to Dana White's marketing skills.


True that. :icon_wink



Tae Kwan Do as 1 of the main disciplines was also good for a chuckle.


Ha, ha. Yeah.

There's a lot of "graceful gentle throws" going on. :rolleyes:

FYI - it was fun watching the Tito Ortiz - Forrest Griffin battle again (on Unleashed last night). I still say Griffin took that match.

[Larz]

Been a while since I watched that fight but I sorta remember Forest looking pretty beat up afterwards.

[mendozathejew]

Been a while since I watched that fight but I sorta remember Forest looking pretty beat up afterwards.
it was almost 3 minutes into the second round til griffen landed anything. tito landed jabs and straights. imo it just looked like forrest was doing well in contrast to the first round stomping

[Larz]

Tito's general performance was underwhelming to say the least. He's one of those fighters that doesn't seem to really evolve. I think he's gonna have have problems with Rashad Evans.

[Fredo Corleone]

FYI - it was fun watching the Tito Ortiz - Forrest Griffin battle again (on Unleashed last night). I still say Griffin took that match.

rewatch it with the sound turned down. tito easily won that fight - it was only because of bonnar's retarded commentary that people thought forrest deserved the win.




Tito's general performance was underwhelming to say the least. He's one of those fighters that doesn't seem to really evolve. I think he's gonna have have problems with Rashad Evans.

tito's main problem know is that his body is pretty much shot - especially his knees. you can't wrestle with shit knees.

[Cromwell]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

[Rev]

It's EliteXC, unfortunately, but then again I love Gina.Why do I get the feeling she does too? ::rimshot::
Now THAT'S something I'd order Showtime for. ::rimshot::

Don't forget to tip your waitress. :icon_lol:

[Standby]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

ESPN still has yet to be won over. I nearly foot jabbed a hole in my TV last night (that exaggeration's relevant!) when i was watching PTI, a show I really like, and hear them talking about De La Hoya/Mayweather and comparing it to the popularity of the UFC, while referring to it as "barbaric" and "bare-knuckled" and a bunch of inaccuracies.

Really, there's no convincing some people that it is not only one of the safest, but disciplined and sportsmanlike sports in the world.

[Fredo Corleone]

Yeah, ok. Points well taken.

Anyway, Chuck-Ramage is the real show. Looking forward to that.

Here's a pretty good article that is currently featured as the No. 1 story on cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10164182
Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day


MMA has pretty much all but overtaken Boxing.

awesome article. hopefully mayweather's next fight will be against bj penn in the octagon - imagine that!

i can't wait for rampage vs. chuck II. rampage has been my favorite since he destroyed igor and randleman. liddell has definitely improved since their first fight, supposedly had a serious injury going into that fight, and wasn't training with his usual camp. that fight was the last time rampage looked really impressive. at the same time, rampage is a tough match up for liddell, because he's got a granite jaw, good wrestling, hits hard, good cardio and is freak strong. i'm really pulling for rampage, but have a bad feeling liddell will take it. the longer it goes, the better it will be for rampage. he needs to push the pace without getting too wild and leaving himself open like couture and babalu did.

[SaveToughCrowd]

As opposed to the article posted by Cromwell, check out the article by this cuntbag, Mike Freeman. He bashes UFC and MMA in general, saying that boxing, the true sport, will rise up after the LA Hoya/Meriweather fight. I'd love to see this douche say one sentence of this to Joe Rogan, Liddell, Couture or any oher one of the true athletes that bleed for this sport. I don't just watch MMA, I practice it three times a week, so this guy pissed me off supremely.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10162545

[mendozathejew]

these cbs sportsline writers are bunch of jizzbuckets. both sides of this boxing vs mma dogshit debate.

[Larz]

these cbs sportsline writers are bunch of jizzbuckets. both sides of this boxing vs mma dogshit debate.


Yeah I like boxing and MMA but the arguments on both sides are getting childish. Boxing as a sport will never "go away", but at the same time its foolish for anyone not to recognize the legitimacy of MMA.


Now when it comes to people trying to convince me that golf or driving around in a circle for 500 miles are sports... thats when I just loff and loff.

[Rance]

I'm writing a blog every week. I will send out an email tomorrow with all the back story to everything that went on off camera with Gabe and not making weight and other stuff each week. If you want to receive it, join my mailing list on my site. Go to http://JoeLauzon.com and plug your email into the form on the left hand side.

--The Quiet Internet Kid

[Cromwell]

--The Quiet Internet Kid


Ha, ha! :icon_mrgr

Looking forward to some "quiet overhand rights" :icon_wink

[Palerider4146]

Rance, great job on the blog so far. Hopefully next week turns out the way we are all hoping,...








seeing your nakes ass poolside next!

[Rev]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4937-2004Jan9?language=printer

Check it, that writer's a hack.

[Cybouncer]

I'm writing a blog every week. I will send out an email tomorrow with all the back story to everything that went on off camera with Gabe and not making weight and other stuff each week. If you want to receive it, join my mailing list on my site. Go to http://JoeLauzon.com and plug your email into the form on the left hand side.

--The Quiet Internet Kid


Is there anybody here who thought that fucking guy was going to make weight? I forget who he (Gabe) was picking on but when that was going down, I said then that he was all talk. It's kind of a shame because I was hoping to see him get tooled up by Cory.

Fucking loudmouth!:icon_mad:

[Rance]

Some of you guys signed up after the email was sent out (Friday at 11 in the morning)

Here is the link to the blog this week: http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/v...ticleid=198564

[Rance]

Whoops. http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=198564

[highfive]

i saw that fat fuck Gabe at a hotel in trenton last night. he looked in worse shape yesterday then when he was on the show. I would of loved to call him a bitch for crying however I have zero mma skills and he was around some big boys. I could not believe he would show his face in public.

[Larz]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.

[risnuff]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.

Just as long as he didn't have to be 155 lbs before he did it.

[highfive]

As much of a pussy as he may have seemed on the show, on his worst day he'd still kick your ass.
I am sure he would....however he had an opportunity of a lifetime and he did not even try. Like Dan White said, everyone in on the show knew they would have to fight at 155. It has nothing to do with who can beat up who....he went on a show where you fight to move on. He did not even try to fight.

[Larz]

Oh I'm not defending his behaviour on the show, but calling him a bitch to his face would have been pretty dumb regardless of whether there were other fighters around.

[Cromwell]

Oh I'm not defending his behaviour on the show, but calling him a bitch to his face would have been pretty dumb regardless of whether there were other fighters around.

Yeah - he might have gone all "Paul Mecurio on Flea" :icon_mrgr

[Larz]

Yeah - he might have gone all "Paul Mecurio on Flea" :icon_mrgr

Perfect example

[highfive]

I just think he used the show for other reasons....what i have no idea. We agree that there is no reason for anyone that qualifies to be on the show not to make weight. That hotel was filled with fighters that would have loved to have the same opportunity as him.

And please do not compare me to Flea. :action-sm

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

i saw that fat fuck Gabe at a hotel in trenton last night. he looked in worse shape yesterday then when he was on the show. I would of loved to call him a bitch for crying however I have zero mma skills and he was around some big boys. I could not believe he would show his face in public.
So, I'm not going to defend his behavior....because, well I was disgusted by it. I hate attention grabbing whores. Not to mention he came off as waaaaay too homo for my tastes. BUT

He was very obviously doing it intentionally from the get go to maximize his camera time. So, I'll withhold judgment because I don't know how indicative it was of his true personality/ethic.

If that was really him he's a giant douche and I'd love it if someone caved his face in...I'm not in the 155 class (or probably as skilled, not to mention) but I'd love the oppurtunity, provided that was really him.

[mendozathejew]

wasnt the guy the lightweight champ of wec? hes not elite, but with a 10-3 record hes a decent fighter by TUF standards. what a douche for being so lazy

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Mixed martial arts, a less violent and more complex version of ultimate fighting, combines judo, karate, tae kwon do, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing and other established fighting techniques. MMA is still controversial, and events have been approved in fewer than half of U.S states.


Yeah...wait.....what?

Holy Balls is the media all a bunch of retards?

[burky79]

Martin Kampmann (Pictures) has been forced to withdraw from his June 16 fight against former UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin (Pictures) after sustaining a serious injury to his left knee that could require surgery.

The Danish striker was set to make his UFC main event debut in Belfast, Northern Ireland, but his exit from the fight has sent Zuffa scurrying for a replacement.

"It was a big opportunity for me to prove I belong in the big leagues," Kampmann told Sherdog.com. "So I'm very disappointed."

Undefeated in three UFC fights, Kampmann, an undersized middleweight known for his technical striking and underrated work on the floor, now must wait for swelling to go down before he receives final word on the severity of the hyperextension he suffered Friday while grappling at Xtreme Couture in Las Vegas.

"I'm really worried about getting my knee back to 100 percent," said Kampmann (15-2-0). "That's my primary concern right now."

Speculation on a new opponent for Franklin has centered on middleweight contender Yushin Okami (Pictures) (20-3-0), though UFC sources have denied a deal is in place to set up a Franklin-Okami showdown.

With a win in June, Franklin (21-2-0) could be positioned to make another run at the UFC middleweight crown he held from June 2005 through October 2006.



just read it on sherdog.
its a CnP directly from sherdog, since im headed to bed.

[Larz]

Would they give Kendall Grove a shot? This could be a no lose situation for him by taking the fight on short notice.

[Gotti420]

my guess would be Okami or maybe even Mayhem Miller

[av8rOC]

It's Okami:

http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/05/08/rich...ami-at-ufc-72/ (http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/05/08/rich-franklin-im-fighting-yushin-okami-at-ufc-72/)

Looking forward to that fight, both are strong as hell for 185lbs.

On another note...I wasnt sure if anyone posted the card for 73 yet, sick:





-Anderson Silva (#2 Middleweight in the World)* vs. Nathan Marquardt (#7 Middleweight in the World)*
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz (#9 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Hermes Franca
-Chris Lytle vs. Jeff Joslin
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

[StonerJack]

Franklin vs Okami is a better fight imo.

[Cromwell]

Would they give Kendall Grove a shot? This could be a no lose situation for him by taking the fight on short notice.
Is he fighting at 185 now?

I thought he was a 170 Lber.

[Larz]

Is he fighting at 185 now?

I thought he was a 170 Lber.

He's actually a pretty big MW, like 6'5. I'd be surprised if he ever fought at 170.

Even though Grove looked great in his last fight, probably a good thing that he's not taking Franklin just yet. He's gonna be 1 to watch in 2008 for sure.

Anyone else think Franklin is gonna obliterate Okami? Franklin's takedown defense is really good while Okami's striking is sub-par.

[Larz]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
wow...awesome....not even MMA, looks like traditional karate maybe (the cat in the gi top), what BS...I saw something on the discovery channel a little while back about some middle aged white dude that claimed to be a Ki master. What I don't get is how they dupe people into being students and actually believing they're being hit by something.....ugh.

[Larz]

wow...awesome....not even MMA, looks like traditional karate maybe (the cat in the gi top), what BS...I saw something on the discovery channel a little while back about some middle aged white dude that claimed to be a Ki master. What I don't get is how they dupe people into being students and actually believing they're being hit by something.....ugh.


Yeah looked like straight Karate to me too, was just the title of the vid.

Theres so much horseshit out there its hysterical, comabt Ki is probably the worst offender followed by various Tai Chi scams.

Another really cool vid is Chuck Liddel vs. Some Kung Fu guy. Chuck knocks him out so bad its frightening. Hey GL with your fight by the way Joe.

[burky79]

heres the wiki

----
excerpt from wiki on Kiai use in martial arts.


In martial arts, the term commonly refers to a short yell that some martial artists shout before or during a fight or technique. Korean martial arts may call this sound a Yatz or Kihap (기합). In bujutsu (Japanese arts of war), it is usually linked to the inner amassing of energy released in a single explosive focus of will. Students of martial arts such as aikido, karate, taekwondo or judo (or related arts such as taiko drumming) use kiai to focus energy when executing a technique. It also refers to the shout that accompanies some techniques when performing kata. Kiaijutsu is the Japanese art of using kiai when performing martial arts. The proper use of kiaijutsu involves concentrating on the use of one's ki more than it does shouting.
Since the feeling of kiai can be preserved without making a noise, kiai can be silent;[1] it is the coordination of breathing with the physical activity which is important. This may be more accurately referred to as kokyu power. Kokyu and kiai are sometimes used interchangeably. The term kokyu is most often translated as breath power in English. Kokyu power, is essentially the same as Chinese nei jin. "Breath" and "timing" certainly come into the usage of kokyu power, but it is the ability to coordinate breathing with the execution of a jin movement which is important. A relaxed and powerful exhalation can add power to movement. A sound is just an audiable indication of good kiai (aligned body structure, focused intent, and good breathing). It's not the sound that is important.
The noise from a kiai is said to emit from the hara or tanden, and it involves the abdominal muscles and diaphragm. It should not be sounded in the throat.[2]
[edit]Typical usage
Kiai is used to:
startle and demoralize your enemy.
prime yourself for combat, by "amping yourself up."
protect the upper body from a strike by providing an escape route for exhalation of air.
protect the lower body by rapidly contracting the transverse abdominals and other core muscles, shielding the internal organs.
provide solid support for striking techniques.



full wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiai)

[av8rOC]

Anyone else think Franklin is gonna obliterate Okami? Franklin's takedown defense is really good while Okami's striking is sub-par.


Nope. Okami is one of the most underated fighters in the UFC right now and I think the fight is a toss up.

[Cromwell]

This is good for a laugh. MMA fighter vs. Chi master. Stick with it till the end for the payoff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

That is freakin HiLarious

Do these douchebags flipping and flopping around by the imaginary waive of the hands actually believe it? I think they are in on the scam.

I hadda laugh - the MMA just pounded the shit out of this charlatan.

That why I can't even pay attention to any of this Ti Chi crap.

Sure, technique matters - but in the end its still force against force. Strength matters - quickness matters.

[Larz]

Chuck Liddel vs. "Kung Fu Master". Its an open hand ruleset but brutal KO regardless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkpraLJKhA

[Standby]

Chuck Liddel vs. "Kung Fu Master". Its an open hand ruleset but brutal KO regardless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkpraLJKhA

How someone can just not even attempt to block kicks to the head like that baffles me. Yes, Chuck led him in with a few hands to set up the KO, but the early kicks...

I've been doing Muay Thai for maybe 9 months now, so I'm in no way ready to fight, but God damn, how do you not even attempt to block kicks like that.

Then again one of the things that's been hammered into me (literally, el oh el) that I find myself screaming when watching fights is "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP". So maybe it just depends on how you've been trained...

[Larz]

How someone can just not even attempt to block kicks to the head like that baffles me.

It illustrates how so many martial arts/fighting systems are really ineffective and that guy is billed as a Kung Fu Master.

Anything that stresses flashy forms, katas, spiritual mumbo jumbo or single point scoring instead of full contact is basically bullshit.

Granted that was Chuck Liddell but you could have substituted any competent MT fighter or Kickboboxer and the result would have been the same. If it was a closed fist match any straight Boxer would have KOed that guy as well.

[mendozathejew]

that guy is certainly not a master of anything let alone a martial arts form, lets be real here

[blackriders]

Holy shit Joe Destroyed the guy he was fighting.

[burky79]

go joe.

great fight!

kickin ass elbow dropin crazy intense man!
nice!

way to take out that fearsome mat with the elbow too ;)

hahaha!

[worob]

Joe is the man. He is too good to be on the show.

[Cromwell]

Rance is a beast.

He will go all the way.

[Larz]

Joe is the man. He is too good to be on the show.

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.

[Bodizapha]

Amazing fight Joe, I was scared you broke your elbow with that one strike!

Great sub, Great fight! Good Luck in the Semi-finals

[Palerider4146]

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.

Why not he looks like a kindergarden kid. I've you seen the hairless naked ass?

[Standby]

Yeah talk about a ringer. Hey Rance whats next? Are ya gonna choke out some kindergarden kids? Fucking tough guy.
Nah, next round it's going to be him vs. the Octagon mat. He sure knows how to throw an elbow and headbutt towards it :action-sm

(Oh come on, Joe, you're on fucking Wackbag, you KNOW we were gonna have our fun...)

Seriously though, sick fight, took control of it from the start, he completely doesn't belong in this pack...

[Palerider4146]

That guy was lucky Rance missed with that elbow, they would still be pulling skull fragments from the mat.

[Cromwell]

Projections for the final?

Joe vs Diaz?

Joe vs Manny?

[Chino Kapone]

joe vs. diaz. that will be the fight to see.


Great mother fucking fight last night!!!! i want my new sig to be Joe Cocking him out. Joe you are a beast you "internet kid."

[Palerider4146]

I'm a little worried about Manny and Nate, both of them have that retard strength. They are both problems. But I'm all for Rance going all the way.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

But I'm all for Rance going all the way.
careful out on that limb Rider ;):action-sm

[Cromwell]

careful out on that limb Rider ;):action-sm
Are you kidding me?

How obvious is Pale's "man crush" on Rance? :rolleyes:

Dude - as Todd Rundgren once sang -- "We gotta get you a woman . . . "

[Palerider4146]

Ahhhh, Crom, I'm working at it, I'm working at it.


I just feel bad for the first one I get. It's been a long time since I had good sex. All I know is that chick is getting the best 6 seconds of her life!

[Palerider4146]

BTW Crom, I used the "my friend is on that show" line again last night. Worked like a fucking charm. I truly am a douche!!!

[Rance]

BTW Crom, I used the "my friend is on that show" line again last night. Worked like a fucking charm. I truly am a douche!!!


Name dropper!

[Palerider4146]

Name dropper!

Damn straight!!!!! This chick may even sit and watch the show with me. Damn I'm gonna have to think of a story how I know you other than the net. Any ideas y'all?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Damn straight!!!!! This chick may even sit and watch the show with me. Damn I'm gonna have to think of a story how I know you other than the net. Any ideas y'all?
you have cousins in Massachusetts...one of them dated Joe's sister :rolleyes:

[Larz]

Nah, next round it's going to be him vs. the Octagon mat. He sure knows how to throw an elbow and headbutt towards it :action-sm


When things get back to normal around here, you have to insert a .gif of Joe elbowing the mat as his sig pic.

[av8rOC]

Wasnt able to catch the show thursday but did last night, very impressive fight Joe.


As for 71 who are you guys taking for the main event? My head is with Chuck but I will be rooting for Rampage. Chuck has not fought a good striker in I dont know how long, we will see how he does.

[Palerider4146]

you have cousins in Massachusetts...one of them dated Joe's sister :rolleyes:

Not a bad one, thanks Jimmy's.

By the way, I'm the same way, head goes with Chuck, but heart with Rampage. The way things are going in the UFC lately (Randy, GSP, Serra) nothing would surprise me anymore though.

[Larz]

As for 71 who are you guys taking for the main event? My head is with Chuck but I will be rooting for Rampage. Chuck has not fought a good striker in I dont know how long, we will see how he does.


Generally haven't been impressed by Page's last couple of fights. I recently found out that he's also a smoker which is a problem in my book. Chuck has really perfected his uniqe counter-punching anti-takedown style over the years and seems to be peaking while Rampage has been sliding. I think Chuck wins it but it will be a tough fight.

On the betting side, there was a brief period where you could lock in +240 on a rampage bet... if it had inched up a little more it would have been a pretty sound bet for the potential payoff. I think as people have taken a look at the Pride fight the odds have evened out some.

[Fredo Corleone]

liddell / mma article on espn.com's page 2:

http://www.wackbag.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30

This guy scares you?
By Allison Glock
ESPN The Magazine

Editor's note: This article appears in the May 21 issue of ESPN The Magazine.


Chuck Liddell is dancing. It is two hours before a World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) bout at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas, and Liddell, playing the role of guest cornerman, is getting his groove on ringside.


"I love dancing," he says, his hips ticking back and forth with fluidity. "I'll dance anywhere, anytime. People think I'm wasted, but I'm not. I'm just enjoying myself."





AP photo/Marlene Karas
Chuck Liddell, the biggest draw the UFC's got.Liddell is wearing expensive, loose-fitting jeans and a T-shirt with cherubs frolicking across the chest. His head is shaved save for a tight Lohawk. He has on flip-flops, which reveal his toenails. They are painted an implausible neon pink.


A WEC fighter walks by, slaps Liddell on the back, then notices the toes. "Look at that gayness," he says, cocking his head. Liddell just smiles and keeps grooving. He is a tolerant man. He can afford to be.


For the past six years, Liddell has been known as a badass, the best fighter in the world bar none. He's the UFC's current light heavyweight champion. In his 10-year career, he has lost only three fights and has gone on to avenge two of them. The third, his 2003 loss to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, is set for a rematch on May 26.


"The plan is to knock him out in the first round," Liddell says in a voice devoid of bravado. Unlike some fighters, he does not boast. He wears his professional record with a shrug. His talent is a gift from birth, or God.


"I've been fighting people since way back," he says with a smile. "At parties. In clubs. I always say I never started a fight. But looking back, I made it real hard for you to get out of one."


Even before he got paid to kick and punch, Liddell liked brawls. Not backing down was a means to an end. "Fighting was a competition for me," he says, "something I happened to be really good at."


Liddell is 37 years old. He is 6'2", 220 pounds. He has a round, boyish face, with piercing eyes and a sharply defined, Val Kilmer mouth. He's not small, but he doesn't block the sun like many athletes. His body is one of supreme use; every muscle serves a purpose. And generally that purpose is to put other men in a world of pain. "I'm not conflicted about it," he says. "I don't mean to hurt ya. I just want to prove I do it better."


What Liddell means is that he isn't psychotic. He describes himself as "mellow, laid-back." He doesn't derive pleasure from inflicting pain, and the fact that you enjoy watching him do it says a hell of a lot more about you than him. "Chuck looks like an ax murderer," says UFC president Dana White. "But he's the nicest guy in the world."


Even so, being an ultimate fighter has very little to do with being nice. It's about being an incomparable athlete. You must excel at boxing, martial arts and wrestling. You must possess depths of fortitude and a willingness to stand alone. And you must be accountable for yourself in a way that few sports require. Liddell knows this, having played virtually every other sport with the exception of tennis.


In 1998, while he was working as a bartender and a kickboxing instructor, a friend of a friend asked him if he wanted to try a mixed martial arts (MMA) fight. Never one to shy away from a challenge, Liddell agreed. And he won. Not long after, the UFC came calling. Now Liddell has transcended the sport to become a cultural icon (witness his recent cameo on "Entourage"). He is The Guy for most guys, a real-life hero in a world of spoiled, whiny poseurs. Arnold, without the script.


"Chuck is a bona fide superstar," White says. "Even in other countries, everybody knows him. When I go to New York with him, he gets mobbed. People scream from their cars."


Liddell's signature, and most popular, move in the octagon is a wide, swinging punch that bends and curves, Plastic Man-style, ending with his fist on the side of an unsuspecting head. His reach is long; his power, jaw-shattering. The whole movement is balletic, grace honed to violence, quick and definitive, propelled by intention. The intention: not to win, but to defeat.


"His greatest strength is his uncanny ability to knock out from any angle," says John Hackleman, owner of fighter breeding ground The Pit, who's known Liddell for 16 years. "A lot of fighters are great until they get hit. Chuck doesn't quit. The harder you hit him, the harder he'll fight."

Or, as another fighter says as he passes the octagon and spots Liddell: "Looks who's here! Clan of the Cave Bear! Guns of f---ing Navarone!"




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A short list of MMA fouls, as approved by the Nevada State Athletic Commission:


Butting with the head.
Eye-gouging of any kind.
Biting.
Fishhooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice.
Grabbing the trachea.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Spitting at an opponent.
Timidity.




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Charlene Liddell was vehemently antiviolence, even while her son was getting pummeled daily in school. "We lived in assisted housing in Santa Barbara," Chuck recalls. "There were two white kids in my class, and I was one of them."


Eventually, a teacher told Mrs. Liddell, a single parent, that her son was going to get hit every day unless he hit back. And so it was that little Chuck got a lesson in hand-to-hand combat from his maternal grandfather. At age 12, he began martial arts training "to stay busy." A natural athlete, he gravitated toward team sports in high school -- track, baseball, football, wrestling -- and excelled in them all, playing middle linebacker and starting all four years in wrestling at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. "I went as far as I could with football," he says with little regret. "Wrestling, too. But I'm better at fighting. I used to say it sucks that the one thing I'm really good at I can't make money on."


Then along came the UFC. The sport had a rocky start, beginning as it did in 1993 as a way to find the world's best fighter in informal competitions under the imprudent tagline "There are no rules!" Anyone with balls was welcome. Most guys padded their martial arts résumés and entered the cage only to wail like banshees. Boots were worn. Hair was yanked out by the fistful.





AP Photo/Marlene Karas
Liddell is a fierce competitor in the octagon.Footage of said fights made its way to Washington, inspiring no less a tough guy than John McCain to call it "human cockfighting." Bans followed, TV programming was nixed and the sport would have been forever relegated to backyards and basements were it not for a handful of investors who saw the wisdom of legitimacy.


One of them was White, a boxing promoter who became part of a group that purchased the UFC for $2 million in 2001. The no-holds-barred approach was abandoned, replaced with regulating bodies and Olympic-style rules. Thanks to aggressive marketing, UFC fights now average around 2.3 million viewers on Spike TV and sell out arenas worldwide. HBO is close to signing a broadcast deal, and "SportsCenter" airs postfight highlight clips. This year, more young men tuned into the league's UFC 70 event than the MTV Video Music Awards.


Still, many in the old guard of sports are resistant to mixed martial arts, citing what they feel is an inherent barbarism. Some sportscasters liken UFC matches to bar fights, while others refuse to acknowledge the league exists. This, one could argue, is more about elitism and old-school snobbery -- the same type of condescension once directed at NASCAR -- than a valid argument against the sport. Football, a pursuit known to eat its young, causes far more career-ending injuries than MMA. "I got hurt so much more in football and wrestling," Liddell says.


Some of MMA's biggest detractors are from the boxing world. Boxing, after all, stands to lose the most from MMA's rise. Floyd Mayweather Jr., boxing's biggest mouth, recently claimed, "Boxing is an art, UFC is a fad," and that if Liddell stepped into a boxing ring, "he'd get punished."


This, of course, pisses off Liddell. "Everybody messes with us," he says. "What makes boxing a sport but not us? We have to do more and know more than boxers. I'd drop a boxer so fast." He's probably right. Boxing is about five or so basic punches; MMA adds wrestling and martial arts. Unless a boxer landed an early knockout punch, he'd find himself pinned and looking for the nearest exit.


At the moment, Liddell is eating lunch at the Pink Taco, in the Hard Rock. His legs are folded under his chair, bobbing like sewing needles. On his wrist, a diamond-studded watch catches the light.


"One of my sponsors gave me this," he says, shaking his arm. "It's not something I would ever buy for myself. It was really nice of them, but … " He shrugs, then returns to his chips and iced tea.


Across the table, Hackleman shovels in some guacamole and reminisces about the old days, back when the two men would spar just for fun. "You're the same now as you were when you were sleeping on my couch," Hackleman says. "Before a fight, Chuck is always goofing around. That's why I named him the Iceman. He doesn't get nervous."


He doesn't pray, either. Not before a fight anyway.


"Why would I?"


Liddell is a confident man. He is a man who has been tested and has survived, and that knowledge fills him with a lightness of being unfamiliar to men who don't dare come up against anything, let alone themselves. All elite athletes possess this poise, this buoyancy -- but none more so than the fighter. It is one thing to excel, to be fast, to be flexible, to be strong, to endure. It is quite another to do all of that while being hit in the face.


"A lot of big guys make a reputation for themselves as hard," Liddell says. "Then I'll see them in the ring and they can't fight their way out of a paper bag. They're picking on guys they can beat. That's not being tough. That's being an a--hole."


As Liddell stands up to leave, the Pink Taco manager approaches, hand extended. "Lunch is on us, Chuck," he says, beaming. Liddell thanks him and attempts to move toward the door, but his two-second pause has allowed a crowd to form. Men in their 20s and 30s encircle him, most snapping away with their camera phones. "Would you sign my hat?" one asks, thrusting it at Liddell. The fighter obliges, staying mum when another fan quips, "Don't make me fight you for a picture." After every autograph, Liddell says, "Thank you."


Ten minutes later, he finally breaks free and walks purposefully toward the elevators. He misses the open door and is again surrounded. It will take him 20 minutes to get to his suite on the top floor, where upon arriving he will immediately rush to the balcony and take a long, deep breath of fresh air.


"I like to people watch," he says, nodding toward the pool teeming with girls in bikinis and heels. Liddell turns around and walks to the couch, limping slightly. When the limp is mentioned, he rolls his eyes. "People have been asking about that," he says with irritation. "I don't have a limp."


He shuffles along, visibly favoring one leg. He catches his reflection in the mirror.


"I think it's from my toe," he concedes, lifting his right foot out of his flip-flop to reveal a slice under his big toe deep enough to lose change in. "Could be that, I guess."


He can't recall how he got the cut, and he's not one for complaining, about anything, with one obvious exception: He doesn't much like unremitting grandstander Tito Ortiz, his former training partner turned rival.

In 2002, Liddell was primed to fight Ortiz for the UFC title, but Ortiz demurred, claiming schedule conflicts. That didn't sit well with fans or Liddell, and Ortiz was impelled to face him in April 2004. Liddell won with a second-round knockout, and he beat Ortiz again last December, despite a torn MCL and a popped tendon in his left hand.


"I'll admit," Liddell says, lowering his voice slightly, "he is one guy I enjoy hitting -- I enjoy it a lot."




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A short list of people scarier than Chuck Liddell:


Mike Tyson.
Michael Jackson.
Ryan Seacrest.
Ann Coulter.
Dick Cheney.
Oprah.




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Backstage at the WEC fights, Liddell is coaching Erik Apple, a 29-year-old fighter with matinee idol looks. The two men circle each other on a warmup mat, with Liddell occasionally tapping Apple on the skull when he leaves himself vulnerable. Apple furrows his brow and nods at Liddell's every word. They wrestle a little, Liddell again showing Apple his weak spots, a mixed blessing so close to fight time. They finish with a hug.


The UFC is a handsy bunch. Hugging is big, as are shoulder squeezes and hair tousles. There is an easy intimacy among men who grapple for a living, a fluid physicality, as if every moment outside the ring is an opportunity to apologize for what happens inside it. When you've ripped a man's ear to the lobe, a postmatch embrace goes a long way.





AP Photo/Marlene Karas
With cameos on shows like "Entourage," Liddell's profile is only going to get bigger."Don't you hate waiting?" Apple asks Liddell, his bare feet tapping wildly.


"It's the worst," Liddell says with a smile.


Well, maybe not the worst. Losing is the worst. "When you lose a fight, you damage your manhood," says Hackleman, a former boxer and fighter. "You can't blame the team. You failed. Period."


Given the chore that awaits them, the fighters backstage are oddly relaxed. A few psych themselves up, but most clown around, tease each other or offer support to the fighters on deck. They wrestle and stretch. Others watch the closed-circuit TV. There's something very natural about the whole scene, comforting even, like this is what men are meant to be doing -- grappling for dominance and laughing over beers when it's all done.


"Men want to fight," Hackleman says. "What we do is innate. The two basic biological responses are fight or flight. It's not play basketball or flight." While Hackleman sees fighting as an undistilled version of every sport, Liddell is more sanguine. "Fighting is what it is," he says. "I've never felt out of control. I'm the last guy to punch a wall. If I'm really upset, I may go for a jog or something."


There is, of course, some darkness. For Liddell it springs from his father, a man so ill-equipped to parent that he locked his toddler son in a room for hours at a time, leaving Chuck's 3-year-old sister to look after him, Liddell says. "She fed me onions once. I was crying because I was hungry. Dad didn't care. Then he left for good."


Liddell has two children: Trista, age 9, and Cade, age 8. Both live with their respective mothers but remain very close to their father, as do the women, neither of whom Liddell felt compelled to marry.


He takes his parenting seriously, but Liddell wants it known that his absentee father is not the reason he fights. It's not about compensation, emotional or otherwise. "A lot of guys get in street fights to prove something," Liddell says. "But I never did. I have nothing to prove, but I never give up. You give me enough time, I'll win."


He laughs.


Has he ever been in therapy?


"For what?"


He is quiet for a moment.


"I went to anger management once," he says. "At Cal Poly I kicked a stuck door, and it flew off the hinges. The counselor said, 'Come back when you have real problems.'"




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A short list of largely unknown facts about Chuck Liddell:


He was in the chess club.
He has never broken his nose.
He was an A student in high school.
He has a degree in accounting.
He has a Chihuahua named Bean.
He has seen "Fight Club."
It was "fine."
He has also seen "The Sound of Music."
He loved it. So much so that he went to see the musical -- a couple of times.




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Chuck Liddell is not afraid of dying. "I am afraid of not being able to fight," he says. He'd miss it, the physicality, the touchstone to truth, the constant and real measure of his own ability. If nothing else, fighting offers men a wellspring of knowledge. For better or worse, when you can take a punch, you know who you are.


Liddell knows precisely who he is. And because he knows, he can dance with abandon, paint his toenails pink ("because I can") and enjoy the occasional musical without shame. He's a man awash in serenity. Only the potential for injury unnerves him, if he allows himself to dwell on it, which he doesn't.


"I can't see myself in a wheelchair," he says, cringing. "People feeling sorry for you would get old real quick."


He envisions a different future, a shinier one. "I'm interested in Hollywood," he says. "I'm trying to do Punisher II. I may get to play the villain's crazy brother. I'll probably start acting classes."


He knows it sounds cliché, but he makes no apologies. "I'm 37," he says. "I hope to fight quite a few more years, but you never know." He pauses, takes a long, deep breath and smiles. "Then again, Randy Couture is still the heavyweight champion at 43," Liddell says happily.


"And I knocked him out twice."

[Cromwell]

Geez, Fredo - is that article long enough?

Couldn't you have copied some ads in too? :rolleyes:

(I'm just bustin' ya. I enjoyed reading about Chuck's "dancing". Though a link to the article coulda worked too) :)

[Fredo Corleone]

Geez, Fredo - is that article long enough?

Couldn't you have copied some ads in too? :rolleyes:

(I'm just bustin' ya. I enjoyed reading about Chuck's "dancing". Though a link to the article coulda worked too) :)

a woman wrote it, so what do you expect? blah, blah, blah, blah....

[burky79]

my head hurts...

but great article.

chuck is an interesting fella.
as well as an ass beating mutha shut yo mouth.

[Gotti420]

it looks like they're doing an All Access on Rampage. Its on Monday after the 71 countdown show. Should be good, Quinton's always entertaining.

[Cybouncer]

it looks like they're doing an All Access on Rampage. Its on Monday after the 71 countdown show. Should be good, Quinton's always entertaining.


All Access is like the SI curse to UFC.

[highway23]

bloodbath on IFL Battleground right now...

wow

[Cromwell]

as well as an ass beating mutha shut yo mouth.

But I'm talkin' bout Chuck . . .

(we can dig it)

[novalia]

love rampage but he just isnt the same fighter he once was..
the fights with silva really slowed him down.. the ufc didnt give him enough fights to get his form back.. chuck is going to knock him out in the first round.

[highfive]

love rampage but he just isnt the same fighter he once was..
the fights with silva really slowed him down.. the ufc didnt give him enough fights to get his form back.. chuck is going to knock him out in the first round.
they were probably worried he would lose before they had him fight Chuck.

[mendozathejew]

rampage may or may not be the beast he was before fighting silva twice. but he will be greatly improved technically in this fight. the eastman fight was just a feeling out process. hes been training better then he ever did in pride, where he often barely trained and took fights on a couple weeks notice.

his boxing, muy thai training as been phenominal, both from coaches and great sparring partners. his technique will be greatly improved.

and it sounds like chuck has had a phenominal training camp as well, so this should be a tough fight for the both of them

[mendozathejew]

another thing to remember, chuck is obviously a fast starter, great in the first round. rampage is a slow starter, it usually takes him time to get warmed up. he knocked out liddell in round 2, after a 10 minute first round.

[DoughBoy]

Wow, who the fuck saw that coming?

[DoughBoy]

Take luck Joe!

Did he just say 'I've definately got that retard strength gong for me?"

You rule!

[Cromwell]

Joe Lauzon - "maybe not the best fighter, but probably the smartest" - Hey how could he not be? He's on Wackbag :action-sm

Check out MySpace at the moment. They're running this featured ad about Extreme Cage Fighting on the Versus channel. June 3rd. Anybody hear anything else about it?

[Larz]

Betting lines on Liddel-Jackson are getting interesting. They've shifted big time since Spike has been running those promo shows of Chuck getting owned.

Bodog has Liddel at -170 which looks good. I'm ready to bite but will wait until tomorrow, there might still be some rampage momentum in the line.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Huh...ESPN finally started running an MMA portion (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/index) of their site in association with Sherdog

[mendozathejew]

joe rogan is going at it with a boxing promoter on espn. hes definitely getting the better of it

[Larz]

Liddel now at -165.

[Palerider4146]

Not only is ESPN running a thing on their page, they had a thing about the weigh in on the ESPN news channel. I didnt get to see it myself because of work, but they had it on their program alert all day.

[mendozathejew]

they are talking about it, showing the weigh ins on sportscenter. and the website has an MMA section, thankfully not just a UFC section. its covering mma as a whole. but sportscenter keeps calling it "Ultimate Fighting" instead of Mixed Martial Arts, which makes me cringe. and its not good for mainstream appeal.

to those unacquainted with the sport, the two terms have a much different meaning and impact, I think

[( . Y . )]

they are talking about it, showing the weigh ins on sportscenter. and the website has an MMA section, thankfully not just a UFC section. its covering mma as a whole. but sportscenter keeps calling it "Ultimate Fighting" instead of Mixed Martial Arts, which makes me cringe. and its not good for mainstream appeal.

to those unacquainted with the sport, the two terms have a much different meaning and impact, I think

I feel the same way when they use ultimate fighting with MMA in general. I think UFC will be the trademark in the US, most people still don't know what MMA is but you mention ufc and they know exactly what you're talking about.

On a sidenote anyone catch Lauzon's psycho stare when he got patted on the butt on TUF? The guy should've said NO HOMO

http://gaso.1g.fi/lauzon_assgrab.gif

[burky79]

I feel the same way when they use ultimate fighting with MMA in general. I think UFC will be the trademark in the US, most people still don't know what MMA is but you mention ufc and they know exactly what you're talking about.

On a sidenote anyone catch Lauzon's psycho stare when he got patted on the butt on TUF? The guy should've said NO HOMO

http://gaso.1g.fi/lauzon_assgrab.gif

I think you're right about the mention of UFC.
Say the same thing, but use K-1, Pride, IFL, etc... you'll get a blank stare.

I have two thoughts on that...

1. sad that people don't see any more than the headline and nothing else.

2. great marketing by zuffa dana "it's good to be" white and the entire UFC organization.

----

As far as Joes stare, I didn't see that.

Was that Diaz, kinda looked like his taller/lankey body, but I couldn't see the face... and what episode was that from?

[Don West]

Hey, is this your profile picture on facebook or is it someone posing as you?
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/388/10/s41901151_4182.jpg

[7cent]

anyone watching tonight?

[Mule Juice]

Was that Diaz, kinda looked like his taller/lankey body, but I couldn't see the face... and what episode was that from?

I thought it was Diaz, but I'm not sure. This was from this weeks episode where Joe beat the crap out of Cole.

[burky79]

anyone watching tonight?

Over here (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=68727)now!

(UFC : 71 Watching Thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=68727))

[commish13]

How come nobody's talking about the fact that SHOGUN signed with UFC on Tuesday?

[Larz]

How come nobody's talking about the fact that SHOGUN signed with UFC on Tuesday?

Cause its just too scary for words. If the UFC isn't careful with their fighter selection shogun will be sending someone home in a bodybag.

[av8rOC]

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Justin/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/PHATV_2006/Ultimate_Fighting_Liddell_Jackson.jpg

[mendozathejew]

Cause its just too scary for words. If the UFC isn't careful with their fighter selection shogun will be sending someone home in a bodybag.

unfortunately I think Shogun is too much for Rampage, even the improved current form of Quinton with great footwork and boxing technique. but it should be noted rampage took that fight with shogun on a few weeks notice

rampages comments on henderson and lindland
At the post-fight press conference, Jackson joke about Henderson’s signing, “He smells a lot better than Matt Lindland. Matt Lindland be funky dog, that’s for real… that boy is funky, he smells like two weeks.” He continued, “I think Dan’s got a different style, because Dan, he throws those thing, but Matt Lindland, he just wanna hug you the whole damn time and smelling like that, that’s the last person you wanna hug.”

Giving more of his thoughts on Henderson’s style, Jackson stated, “Dan Henderson is a tough little ugly son of a gun. So you know I got a lot to watch out for. He’s a great wrestler; he got a strong right himself. I used to spar with Dan Henderson. I used to go help him out to train. But, he never returned the favor, so I guess, I gotta pay him back for all that.”

[commish13]

Rampage could become the new face of UFC. The man's a damn entertainer.

[commish13]

ignore this

[cal5000]

Rampage was damn impressive-taking that shot and countering with that same side was sick.

[Larz]

unfortunately I think Shogun is too much for Rampage, even the improved current form of Quinton with great footwork and boxing technique. but it should be noted rampage took that fight with shogun on a few weeks notice


With Page its all about his state of mind, motivation, and preparation. The Lindland and Eastman fights were so Lackluster, I watched them a bunch of times and came pretty close to putting some cash down on Chuck.

On a side note why the fuck is Hendo fighting 205? He is a beast at MW and could Own Silva, Franklin, and Okami. Makes no sense especially with Shogun lurking around.

[mendozathejew]

With Page its all about his state of mind, motivation, and preparation. The Lindland and Eastman fights were so Lackluster, I watched them a bunch of times and came pretty close to putting some cash down on Chuck.

On a side note why the fuck is Hendo fighting 205? He is a beast at MW and could Own Silva, Franklin, and Okami. Makes no sense especially with Shogun lurking around.

well thats true about rampage, but against silva it was all about the thai clinch. he just couldnt defend it, against shogun either. and its not like it took just one to finish him. he ate alot, and youd think hed be able to take one and grab the leg for the takedown. hopefully he gets another shot at the chute box guys and is prepared for that now

as for henderson, your guess is as good as mine. maybe he thought he was more viable at 205 in pride than he was at 185 after losing in the GP.

[( . Y . )]

Some nice post fight interviews.

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=112030

I like all the mainstream coverage espn, fox sports, cbs sports etc.....

[mendozathejew]

Rampage could become the new face of UFC. The man's a damn entertainer.
post fight press conference, rampage puts on another show
http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=112041

somneone said "Hey Quinton, Tito bet $3,000 on Chuck Tonight just an FYI" and Jackson replied "I DON'T CARE, CAUSE HE IS 3,000 SHORT"

[GDRC]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e220/kusokidiota/000524557bxa2ed9.gif
This made me laugh, wonder if the ref said no homo in Japanese.

[mendozathejew]

I like the way rampage treated the japanese media

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r138/vedderko/rampageguerillamade1.gif

[Fredo Corleone]

rampage has been my favorite since he ko'd cyril abidi in k-1. i knew he could wrestle and slam people, and that showed he could strike too. back then i thought he was unbeatable until he ran into the thai clinch.

it seems that rampage not only has difficulty with the clinch, but also with guys who come after him at 100 mph (chute boxe guys). liddell, on the other hand, would do much better against guys who come after him full bore. hopefully, not that rampage is training at legends, he's working with bas and randy, so he learns what to do with the clinch.

[Standby]

I was in Vegas with the intention of watching the fight at a sportsbook (preferably the Mirage) or somewhere on the strip. I can NOT believe not one place was showing the fight with or without a cover. I'm very upset I missed what sounded like a great card overall. At least bets on huge underdog Alexander and slight dog Martin countered the fact that I messed up and bet Chuck to win.

Still looking to find a way to watch the event... I'm SO putting in the 500 to get a seat if I'm ever in Vegas the weekend of a fight again.

[mendozathejew]

JOE LAUZON INTERVIEW

Scott of MMANews.com: This is Scott with MMANews.com and I am interviewing Joe Lauzon today. First off let me thank you on behalf of everyone at MMANews.com and myself for taking the time to do this interview. Let's start with some easy questions. What got you into MMA?

Joe Lauzon: I started doing submission grappling in high school. As I trained with some of our other guys getting ready for fights, I knew it was something I wanted to do. I won my first fight and have never looked back.

MMANews.com: How was your experience on the show.

Joe Lauzon: It was a great experience that I would never wish to repeat. That house will drive you insane, and it did. Everyone was clawing at the walls to get out [of] there... but the training experience was the best.

MMANews.com: Is [BJ] Penn a good coach?

Joe Lauzon: BJ is a great coach. He helped my game a ton. I can never thank him enough for all the help he gave me.

MMANews.com: This is a question that we are all wondering about. With a knockout win over Jens Pulver we did not expect to see you on The Ultimate Fighter show, how did you being on the show come about?

Joe Lauzon: After the press conference after my fight, Dana [White] and Joe Silva told me they wanted me on the show. I was trying to talk them into taking my brother, but it never worked out. I eventually decided it was an opportunity that I shouldn't pass up, so off I went.

MMANews.com: Was it weird with Jens as one of coaches?

Joe Lauzon: Jens wasn't my coach... but it would have been a little weird at first. I would have listened to everything he said and done whatever he wanted me to do. But at the same time, of course it would be a little weird.

MMANews.com: Is there any chance of you becoming a full time fighter?

Joe Lauzon: Maybe when I pay off my student loans... but until then, I don't see it happening.

MMANews.com: If UFC were to have a 145 division would you fight there or stay at 155?

Joe Lauzon: I was fighting at 145 before and the cut was just too much. I'm happy at 155, wherever it leads me.

MMANews.com: Is there anyone you are looking to fight, or if you could fight anyone who would it be?

Joe Lauzon: Spencer Fisher. I beat his teammate (Jens), he beat my brother Dan [Lauzon]... it's time we settle things.

MMANews.com: How do you feel you match-up with the current Lightweight champion [Sean] Sherk?

Joe Lauzon: Sherk is a beast. Do I want to fight him right now? Not really. Down the line? Absolutely.

MMANews.com: How annoyed were you with people running around, bitching, and making asses of themselves on the show?

Joe Lauzon: It was entertaining because we were so bored... there was nothing else to do in the house, so it gave me something to watch.

MMANews.com: Who is your pick for the Penn vs. Pulver rematch?

Joe Lauzon: Penn. I think he just has too many tools.

MMANews.com: Ok enough with the questions about fighting, let's find out who Joe really is. What did you receive your degree in from college?

Joe Lauzon: Computer Networking.

MMANews.com: What are your favorite movies?

Joe Lauzon: Lots... Fight Club, Gladiator, 300, Batman Begins, Old School, Braveheart, the South Park Movie... I could go on and on.

MMANews.com: Favorite video games?

Joe Lauzon: Starcraft. I wasted years of my life playing that game. Part of the reason I started training was to get out of the house more and do something more active.

MMANews.com: Do you prefer the PS3, XBOX 360, or the Nintendo Wii?

Joe Lauzon: Haven't played the Wii, but I bought a 360 back in December. I'm not as big into video games as I used to be... but I still play it once in a while.

MMANews.com: I prefer the Playstation 3. What are your favorite pizza and burger places?

Joe Lauzon: Cape Cod Cafe in Brockton has the best pizza around - period. Supreme House of Pizza in Brockton has the best Subs. Best Burgers around here are at Match in Boston. They are gourmet burgers... little tiny things... but they are so good.

MMANews.com: Do you work with any charities or hospitals?

Joe Lauzon: Not yet.

MMANews.com: What do you do when you are not training or working?

Joe Lauzon: I work like 40 hours a week, and I train like another 20 or so. When I'm working or training, I am relaxing and watching TV or movies... or sleeping. I love to sleep.

MMANews.com: Again let me thank you for taking the time to do this interview. Also I hope to see you in the finale fighting for the contract because you were my pick to win it all. I hope to catch up with you down the road and see how things are going. Have a good day and again thank you Joe.

Joe Lauzon: Thanks. Sorry it took so long.

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Exclusive-Interview-With-TUF-5-Fighter-Joe-Lauzon.html

[( . Y . )]

Class act. i hope when they finish the season he goes on ona. joe vs. spencer would be a sweet match.

[Palerider4146]

Rance, your a good kid. We got to get you down to NYC sometime.

[mendozathejew]

spencer talked some shit a few weeks back, calling joe a one trick pony. joes a class act. he should have said your mothers a one trick pony when i give her money she eats my ass (jimmy's line, hoo hoo)

[Jimmy's Dignity]

haha..I'm not gonna lie, I normally don't laugh at "Your mom's a ..." jokes but that would be funny

Rance, how big are your fucking student loans if fighting won't pay them off? :icon_eek: "whaa"

[( . Y . )]

Nice ufc 75 promo, just thought i'd share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbdhXmJtjQ

[commish13]

Holy shit... I'm listening to Ron and Fez from Wednesday, and I thought people talking about wrestling and not knowing what they're talking about annoyed me. The callers knew NOTHING of what they spoke of.

[JoeFromDetroit]

Watching K-1's Dynamite USA.

- Jonnie Morton(former NFL player) got knocked-out in under 40 seconds, and stayed out for about 5 minutes.
- "Mighty Mo" just won in under a minute. Ref stopped the fight.

It's a damn slow show. Literally, 10 minute intro's. Ughhh. Plus, no fights i'm really interested in. Oh well, love the free streams.


But they showed Nicholas Cage with probably the hottest asian chick i've ever seen.

[mendozathejew]

PM me if you want a win amp url streaming k1 live

gracie sak and brock lesnar are coming up

[mendozathejew]

quote from another thread
It's not from wussing out. Fighters that come from competitive high school/collegiate wrestling backgrounds have incredible takedowns and control
but typically lack finishing skills on the ground.

You have to unlearn some of the old wrestling ruleset thats literally engrained in your muscle memory and train for GnP/Submissions. Once a good wrestler learns the basics of Jiu jitsu and ground game they become really dangerous especailly at lightweight where standing KO power becomes less of a factor (Joe being the exception of course heh).



its only one fight, but I dont think brock lesnar is gona have this problem. after the takedown he didnt stop trying for the ground and pound. mentally, he isnt hanging onto the instinct to continue grappling after the takedown

[JoeFromDetroit]

Worst PPV ever. Boring fights, 15 minutes between fights. Damn happy I didn't pay for it.

Brock Lesnar ended up fighting some chump. The 7'2 guy didn't get cleared for the fight. Lesnar is a fucking beast. The guy he fought(while lousy) tapped out due to PUNCHES on the ground.

[mendozathejew]

Worst PPV ever. Boring fights, 15 minutes between fights. Damn happy I didn't pay for it.

Brock Lesnar ended up fighting some chump. The 7'2 guy didn't get cleared for the fight. Lesnar is a fucking beast. The guy he fought(while lousy) tapped out due to PUNCHES on the ground.

the marvin manhoef fight was really good. other than that it sucked badly. too much time in between fights. lesnar will have a good ground and pound. this guy he fought gave bob sapp all kinds of trouble til he got kod but hopefully they give lesnar some time before putting him in with some with submission skills from the bottom

[Larz]

quote from another thread
its only one fight, but I dont think brock lesnar is gona have this problem. after the takedown he didnt stop trying for the ground and pound. mentally, he isnt hanging onto the instinct to continue grappling after the takedown


yep. Those were some mean rabbit punches. If I remember correctly he's been training MMA for about 8 months. If he takes it seriously and develops some standup + subs combined with his wrestling who knows?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Lesnar's K1 debut...

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it went much much better than Johnny Morton's :icon_eek:
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and then he got suspended for refusing to give a urine sample (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=2891840)
Morton, 35, was knocked out just 38 seconds into the first round of his match against Bernard Ackah on Saturday night and then was suspended by the California State Athletic Commission after refusing to supply a urine sample for drug testing.

[ratedRsuperstar]

lesnar's slimmed down a alot since wwe. still need the lesnar vikings jersey


also need the al bundy polk high jersey if that provides a perspective.


i REALLY wanna see lesnar go with sapp, arlovsky, couture, etc. someone with credibility and skill. not these "tyson returns to boxing" opponents.

[mendozathejew]

l
i REALLY wanna see lesnar go with sapp, arlovsky, couture, etc. someone with credibility and skill. not these "tyson returns to boxing" opponents.

it doesnt/wont work that way

[( . Y . )]

Just watched the wec event on dvr, good event. Way better than K1, i never liked the k1 heavyweight division. only liked k1max.

on a side note: rematch ray vs. jorge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByILVLKC84

[mendozathejew]

at the risk of being a complaining cunt, I really hope the interview they do with liddell later in the week is non mma related. I dont want to hear jimmy ask him about "federov"

[Cromwell]

at the risk of being a complaining cunt, I really hope the interview they do with liddell later in the week is non mma related. I dont want to hear jimmy ask him about "federov"

Ha, ha!

Hey - he's not only an MMA fighter, but a helluva hockey player :icon_mrgr

Is it true he was bangin' Anna Kournikova? :action-sm


I'm actually curious to hear Chuck's live thoughts on what went down, and what kind of plans he has next.

[Palerider4146]

From what it sounded like in the past, Jimmy and Ant seem to follow the UFC a bit, Ope has said it is the one thing that "crosses the line" for him. Any chance they get Rampage in also, that would be some hell of an interview.

[mendozathejew]

From what it sounded like in the past, Jimmy and Ant seem to follow the UFC a bit, Ope has said it is the one thing that "crosses the line" for him. Any chance they get Rampage in also, that would be some hell of an interview.

rampage would be phenominal radio, I think they boys would do better radio with both guys if they brought them into the fold with something already going onm, rather than asking hack questions about "ultimate fighting" whatever the fuck that is

[Palerider4146]

I agree Jew, especially brining rampage in during some fucked up bit, he'd love that shit. They really should get Lauzon in considering the guy is on the The Ultimate fighter show and is a old time fan of the boys. I'm kind of pissed they didnt do something with him while the show has been on.

[mendozathejew]

I'm kind of pissed they didnt do something with him while the show has been on.

yeah that definitely is a shame, but Joe's first fight on the tuf came during the worst moment for the show since wnew. it was a complete clusterfuck at that moment. hopefully they get him in studio after the show is done

[( . Y . )]

If they want a huge reaction from the MMA community, have both rampage and chuck in at the same time. i think it would be a first.

There's no bad blood between them, there shouldn't be any problems. just buncha guys sitting around talking bout shit. of course one KO'd the other

[Rance]

yeah that definitely is a shame, but Joe's first fight on the tuf came during the worst moment for the show since wnew. it was a complete clusterfuck at that moment. hopefully they get him in studio after the show is done


Its not like someone that listens to their show all the time being on a Reality Show is a rare thing... right?

To be honest, I haven't been listening to much O&A lately either. I have been leaving to go into work around 9am and miss them on normal radio. Kinda douchey though to completely ignore what could have been good insight and interesting. Whatever though.

[sniper]

They mentioned you today, they had Chuck in, it's clear they're not closely following this season though.

You going to be at the Charlie Horse again tonight?

[Rance]

They mentioned you today, they had Chuck in, it's clear they're not closely following this season though.

You going to be at the Charlie Horse again tonight?

We go to the Charlie Horse on the nights I fight. I think I fight again next week.

[novalia]

they have no grasp or understanding of MMA.... to them its still ultimate fighting.. what can you expect... all you have to hear is jimmy say "federov" and you know they're mailing it in... fwiw they really aren't interested in sports much at all...

[mendozathejew]

they have no grasp or understanding of MMA.... to them its still ultimate fighting.. what can you expect... all you have to hear is jimmy say "federov" and you know they're mailing it in... fwiw they really aren't interested in sports much at all...
yeah thats why I was hoping theyd talk about stuff outside of mma with liddell. its probably the only subject that the show has ever talked about that gives me the douche chills.

but thank dana white for "ultimate fighting" as a term. I guess it was successful in terms of gaining name recognition and interest in their business. But it also contributes to the image that they now try their best to defeat, which is the stupid human cockfighting/bar room brawling tag that they wrongly get hit with.

but thats what "ultimate fighting" brings to mind. while Mixed Martial Arts gives the image of the technical, rules based, skillful sport it usually is

[mendozathejew]

Its not like someone that listens to their show all the time being on a Reality Show is a rare thing... right?

To be honest, I haven't been listening to much O&A lately either. I have been leaving to go into work around 9am and miss them on normal radio. Kinda douchey though to completely ignore what could have been good insight and interesting. Whatever though.
in all honesty I think you just got lost in the mix of their possible firing, and being plastered all over the news right when your fights came up on tuf. hopefully they can still make it right and get you in studio

[Cromwell]

Listeing to the Lidell interview yesterday, Opie wasn't even sure if Joe was still on the show or not. That should tell you all you need to know right there. Geez - you'd think at least one of the staff could be paying attention enough to get that info to Opie (God forbid he actually watch the show himself).

Bottom line is - if Joe really wants on the show - he's going to have to have his agent call Roland and sell it.

Joe is right to be a bit disappointed - but he also has to realize that he's out there competing with all the other "entertainment" people as well.

Have your agent make some calls for you.

We (the Wackbag/Opie&Anthony MMA community) want you on the show.

[Rance]

Listeing to the Lidell interview yesterday, Opie wasn't even sure if Joe was still on the show or not. That should tell you all you need to know right there. Geez - you'd think at least one of the staff could be paying attention enough to get that info to Opie (God forbid he actually watch the show himself).

Bottom line is - if Joe really wants on the show - he's going to have to have his agent call Roland and sell it.

Joe is right to be a bit disappointed - but he also has to realize that he's out there competing with all the other "entertainment" people as well.

Have your agent make some calls for you.

We (the Wackbag/Opie&Anthony MMA community) want you on the show.

Not gonna worry about it. I have enough people trying to get me on things that I don't need to go looking for more. I would have been happy to do it had they asked, but I am not going to go and call them up and be like "Please let me be on your show". I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

[Larz]

I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

Maybe, but theres no denying they lost out on a really interesting situation. Seriously how bout someone on the show staff get a fucking clue instead of having Stalker Patty on for the eleventy billionth time. Ahh whats the use... TUF is almost over anyways. Cheers to you Joe.

[Cybouncer]

Maybe, but theres no denying they lost out on a really interesting situation. Seriously how bout someone on the show staff get a fucking clue instead of having Stalker Patty on for the eleventy billionth time. Ahh whats the use... TUF is almost over anyways. Cheers to you Joe.

THANK YOU!:clap::clap::clap:

Who gives a shit about Patty?! Joe is great guest that would be so easy for them to get.

I agree with him though. No need to fucking beg, if they don't want him, then whatever...:action-sm

[Cromwell]

Agreed guys.

And listen - I hate to be "one of those guys who bitches about the show" (because for the most part, I really enjoy it) but your point about yet-another Patty segment is dead on.

I groaned when I heard she was one of the "featured bits" today. For effs sake, - hasn't this whole thing been beaten into the ground already?

Oh, wait - now this time its Danny taking her into a peep show. Ooooooh - let the naughty good times ensue! Ugh!

And I can't wait for the follow-up about "how she enjoyed the tape".

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

[sniper]

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

Totally agree, I look at these MASSIVE MMA threads on this site and we are pretty much the target demo, and even with all the hype in here AND it's own tuf season 5 thread... I dunno, I'm disappointed. By reading Joe's weekly blog I know he's a well spoken guy, it'd have made for a great weekly segment. Even though O&A don't follow MMA like we do, they could have done the same thing as they do when they have NASCAR guests on and let the callers ask the questions, 30 minutes of work free radio for them easy.
And I worry about when Joe does eventually win a championship and his name blows up, and the exact opposite happens, which at this point he'd have every right to do.

[mendozathejew]

maybe if they had joe in studio in between breaks he could have clued them in on MMA, explain why its not prison yard "ultimate fighting" and given them some basic technical understanding of the sport, and we wouldnt have to sit through the douche chill moment of talking to liddell about 'federov.'

they really dropped the ball on this one. usually any member of the oa community whos a part of any entertainment or sport gets alot of mentions and appearances. and somehow they miss out on this.

granted the timing was awful, the radio world was falling apart, then their own radio careers seemed in great danger. but shit thats what they have a staff for. how do you fuck up this one.

[highfive]

Not gonna worry about it. I have enough people trying to get me on things that I don't need to go looking for more. I would have been happy to do it had they asked, but I am not going to go and call them up and be like "Please let me be on your show". I am all set with that. Its not that big of a deal anyways, so whatever.

I agree with you:clap::clap:

[burky79]

Agreed guys.

And listen - I hate to be "one of those guys who bitches about the show" (because for the most part, I really enjoy it) but your point about yet-another Patty segment is dead on.

I groaned when I heard she was one of the "featured bits" today. For effs sake, - hasn't this whole thing been beaten into the ground already?

Oh, wait - now this time its Danny taking her into a peep show. Ooooooh - let the naughty good times ensue! Ugh!

And I can't wait for the follow-up about "how she enjoyed the tape".

As far as Joe and the show - he's right. He came on here like a fan but was completely ignored by those who should have known better. And I'm not talking about the guys at the top, but the multitude of "staffers" that are supposed to be aware of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I know - Joe's not a "big celebrity". No - he's just a regular guy who has the respect of the O&A MMA community and is currently starring on a reality TV show.

And will probably at one point win a UFC Championship belt.

But yeah, lets continue to ignore him . . .

agreed agreed agreed ...

and i havent listened to the show but maybe three times, since they left xm. but another patty segment is all they DONT need. couldnt ever stand her. cause it did get beaten in the ground a long long time ago.

a rogan and or joe time would be a reason to listen again. i know this isnt the thread to do so, but... i was so turned off by the whole xm thing. i just havent felt the desire to make an effort in my day to fit them in. anyway, they could use an mma learning experience, if they truly didnt do anything in the inereviews.

my .02

[Steam]

I haven't been listening to the show much since I don't get it in my car, but Patty still?

YEEECCHHHHHH!!!!

They can't figure out to put Lauzon on?

[( . Y . )]

During the interview with lidell i was hoping that they got joe's name in there. I'm pretty sure if he heard lauzon's name chuck would've said "oh yea joe's a badass, and looks like a psycho internet kid". that was a missed oppurtunity.

someone needs to get copies of the previous shows to OnA and show them some of the episodes. and then show them joe's segments on the show. It's pretty much a highlight video for him, especially that crazy missed elbow from his first fight. There are youtube highlight vids of joe, send them to the show.

Opie already said he can't watch the fighting, which is kind of weird. But jimmy and anthony seemed intrigued. i would say give em a break they're trying.

I wouldn't worry about mr. lauzon though. From all the exposure and what i've read on other mma forums. He is getting mad respect. I haven't read one bad thing about him. He'll go far. He's well spoken, an animal in the ring/cage, and THOSE EARS.

what i want to see is a Joe vs. Jorge rematch!!!

[StonerJack]

I need to see Joe vs Fisher. Joe's brother Dan had him in some bad spots before he lost, and after KOing Jens I'd like to see Joe run right through MFS's LW's.
As far as O&A go, fuck it, they don't know shit about sports in general let alone MMA, it would have been cool, but whatever. Remember when Rogan hung out after they left for the day? Did like an hour on MMA, would love to have him do that again, then Joe could come in and we could hear some knowledgeable and more importantly, funny MMA talk from 2 Mass guys.

[mendozathejew]

this is the last Im gona whine about this subject, but Joe is a fan of the show. he's said so in an interview long before he joined wackbag and was selected for TUF. its not too late to get joe in studio and make it right. maybe after the season ends, and just do right by him as a fan (like the boys typically do). hopefully

[Palerider4146]

I'm usually not a bitch about the show kind of guy, but somebody dropped the ball on this one. Joe is on one of the hottest cable shows out there right now involved with what some describe as the next Nascar, and the guy has been a long time (old Boston days) fan. That is a bit of an insult compared to some of the waste of times that they put on the show.

[burky79]

Remember when Rogan hung out after they left for the day? Did like an hour on MMA, would love to have him do that again, then Joe could come in and we could hear some knowledgeable and more importantly, funny MMA talk from 2 Mass guys.


hell yeah, i remember that.
good call.
Rogan with Joe as a guest would rule.

Maybe talke Joe into doing a Sunday (day after fight night) show on XM, with replays.

Rogan rules.

[highway23]

Anyone watch IFL? It's on right now 2 hours...

there are some solid fights on here every week

[mendozathejew]

Anyone watch IFL? It's on right now 2 hours...

there are some solid fights on here every week

I was just going to post about WEC and its new series on the Vs channel. its getting great reviews, their first shows have been better than ultimate fight news in alot of peoples opinions.

assuming you enjoy watching smaller guys go at it. its on VS right now

[highway23]

I don't get that channel damnit!

[( . Y . )]

I'm starting to like vs. since the wec event. i tried to watch the tapout show but can't stand the guys.

[Palerider4146]

BTW, UFC FIght night is on Spike tonight at 9, is it me, or did they not really advertise this one very much.

[mendozathejew]

BTW, UFC FIght night is on Spike tonight at 9, is it me, or did they not really advertise this one very much.

I had no idea

[MikeyP]

Really good bunch of fights tonight...
1st round of the Fisher/Stout fight just ended and I'm literally on the edge of my seat for this one!

[Standby]

I seriously did not realize this was on until 8:59 PM last night. DVR'd it, haven't watched it in full just yet...

[BelatedAbortion]

Really good bunch of fights tonight...
1st round of the Fisher/Stout fight just ended and I'm literally on the edge of my seat for this one!

Awesome fights last night. Best fight night by far. The two that ended in under a minute were unreal, those dudes got KILLED. Drew McFedries is a BEAST. First his embarassment of Sakara, then the r@ping of that bulgarian Jordan Radev last night, WOW.

The Fisher/Stout fight was awesome. Fisher really made a statement by standing with Stout and winning every exchange, and the lightweight bout between Thiago Tavares and Jason Black was awesome. Tavares put on a BJJ clinic, I'm sure Rogan was asking Tavares for an autograph after that display.

What that Fight Night really showed was how deep the Lightweight and Welterweight divisions are. I mean there's so much talent in the UFC right now and they keep adding more and more great fighters from around the world. The future is definitely bright for Dana White.

[Kid Brock]

Not that anyone would care, but I am going to sign up for Couture's gym here in Las Vegas soon. It is only $90 a month to go twice a week or $150 a month gets you unlimited workouts at the gym.

[Larz]

Not that anyone would care, but I am going to sign up for Couture's gym here in Las Vegas soon. It is only $90 a month to go twice a week or $150 a month gets you unlimited workouts at the gym.


$150 is fucking cheap! Thats only $10 more than my Muay Thai gym. Does it include instruction/sparring??

[Kid Brock]

$150 is fucking cheap! Thats only $10 more than my Muay Thai gym. Does it include instruction/sparring??


Yep. Obviously not instruction at the same time as the A team, but does have group instruction times for the amateurs.

[Larz]

Yep. Obviously not instruction at the same time as the A team, but does have group instruction times for the amateurs.


Thats a great deal. If you join up post a review here.

[av8rOC]

Anyone catch the PPV yesterday? I was at the virus tour. Looking to find some fights online now.
Please dont post spoilers yet! But post a link if you find some fights online.

[MikeyP]

I won't post spoilers, but I will say that some of the fights were really good fights. Some, not so good.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I won't post spoilers, but I will say that some of the fights were really good fights. Some, not so good.

Could post the spoilers with the hidden thing for us cheap fucks?

[Kid Brock]

Franklin beat Okami in the most boring fight ever.

[filthgrinder]

Franklin beat Okami in the most boring fight ever.



I wouldn't call it the most boring fight ever. Sanchez/Kos was more of a snooze fest as was Herring/O'Brien. The third round saved it from being the worst ever. If Okami went like that from the start it would have been an excellent fight. He had a couple of chances where I thought he had the fight won but Franklin was able to escape.

[commish13]

Most boring ever? Have you SEEN Shamrock/Gracie from UFC 5?

[BelatedAbortion]

I wouldn't call it the most boring fight ever. Sanchez/Kos was more of a snooze fest as was Herring/O'Brien. The third round saved it from being the worst ever. If Okami went like that from the start it would have been an excellent fight. He had a couple of chances where I thought he had the fight won but Franklin was able to escape.


I'm definitely a Clay Guida fan after his little battle. I thought he should have won the decision over Tyson Griffin. Tyson got the better of the standup but Clay really pulled it out in the 3rd. Franklin is apparently way stronger than I gave him credit for, I thought Okami was going to power him around, and in the end Yushin gave him too much space. That Kimora was DEEP man!

[av8rOC]

I guess we can chill on the spoilers now...cause I cant fugure out how to do it:rolleyes:


I wouldn't say that fight was the most boring fight ever. The third round was one of the best rounds I have ever seen. How the hell Franklin got out of the kimora is beyond me. I honestly expected Okami to win but I am looking forward to a rematch with Silva. (If he can get past Nate)


Anyone catch the hype show last night for the Penn/Pulver fight? I fell asleep halfwar through because I honestly cant bring myself to think Pulver has a shot in hell. I am always excited to watch BJ fight but this one ends in first round submission.
Hey at least its free this time;)

[BelatedAbortion]

I guess we can chill on the spoilers now...cause I cant fugure out how to do it:rolleyes:


I wouldn't say that fight was the most boring fight ever. The third round was one of the best rounds I have ever seen. How the hell Franklin got out of the kimora is beyond me. I honestly expected Okami to win but I am looking forward to a rematch with Silva. (If he can get past Nate)


Anyone catch the hype show last night for the Penn/Pulver fight? I fell asleep halfwar through because I honestly cant bring myself to think Pulver has a shot in hell. I am always excited to watch BJ fight but this one ends in first round submission.
Hey at least its free this time;)

I hate to sound like some faggot trainer, but Jens has more heart than Penn could muster on his best day. BJ has amazing talent, he's an astounding grappler, but he's lost a lot along the way. He lost his will to be a champion a long time ago and he can't seem to create that urgency. Jens is driven, and willing to sacrifice, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. BJ Penn is a multimillionaire because his family owns the Hawaii version of Comcast, he doesn't need to fight, and his head isn't there.

I think Jens is going to eek this one out.

[( . Y . )]

I'm from hawaii, i didn't know bj's family owns Oceanic Cable. It's part of Time Warner cable. I have mixed feelings about BJ, i was a fan because he has talent and is a "local boy" but i've heard many bad things about him. My cousin owns a mma gym in hawaii. and they've had run ins with BJ and his crew. Of course this is third hand and i didn't see it personally.

On a side note mma gyms in hawaii are popping up all over the place there. It's like 7-11s and Starbucks.

[BelatedAbortion]

There's a lot of Kenpo in Hawaii too right? Great fighters have come out of Hawaii, Kendall Grove and Chuck Liddell to name a few.

[( . Y . )]

yea there are also tons of traditional martial arts in hawaii too. Judo is one of the most popular high school sport behind football. there are also mma events like every or every other weekend. mostly small and amateur but still the interest is there. you can pretty much pick and choose what kind of gym you want to join.

the one bad thing about being stuck in hawaii is the lack of variety in competition. In the "mainland" you can just goto another state and fight different fighters. but in hawaii you pretty much fight other schools in the same state. that's one reason why some fighters like mayhem miller and robbie lawler from the mainland do well in the competitions there.

[av8rOC]

I think Jens is going to eek this one out.


Willing to bet????:action-sm

[( . Y . )]

interesting mention on Joe, he made no excuses or anything for his loss to manny. The chipped elbow had to be from that missed elbow in the first fight. he drove it right into the matt. lots of respect for joe.


“What really happened and what was shown on TV were sometimes two different things. But that’s what being on a reality show is. There are directors and producers. A lot of the real behind the scenes stuff like Joe