Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Capt.Caveman]

Elite XC

Lawler TKO Rua 3rd rd
Diaz wins by split decision

[av8rOC]

Elite XC

Lawler TKO Rua 3rd rd
Diaz wins by split decision

I enjoyed the card last night. Diaz kinda looked like shit except for the few seconds he spent on the ground, dont ask me why he didnt try to take him down.

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter....who would have ever thought. Then again Lawler looked bigger/better than I ever remember him.

As much as I would like to see both those guys back in the UFC it's nice to have a little competition and watch live free MMA.:clap:

[Capt.Caveman]

I enjoyed the card last night. Diaz kinda looked like shit except for the few seconds he spent on the ground, dont ask me why he didnt try to take him down.

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter....who would have ever thought. Then again Lawler looked bigger/better than I ever remember him.

As much as I would like to see both those guys back in the UFC it's nice to have a little competition and watch live free MMA.:clap:

I'd rather have the best guys all in one place and. wec elite xc pride kotc being like farm system for young fighters

[mendozathejew]

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter..:

Im not sure Ninja was even mediocre by Prides 185 pound standards.


he did give Rampage a humiliating scrap. rampage tried to give the trophy they give to all winners to Ninja cause he received such a gift decision.

other than that, Ninja never really did much, especially at 185. and he lost his last two fights in pride

[mik3]

What mediocre UFC fighter has beaten a Pride standout?

Cro Cop is pretty past his prime and got beat by one of the best HW in the world in his second UFC fight. His last fight was garbage though.

[TheGooch]

Nick Diaz beat the fuckin tar off Gomi. Before that, he was stepping stone to Karo Parisyan, Joe Riggs along with others.

Crocop is not past his prime. Just this past New Years he kicked Wanderlei Silva's fat head off. He came to UFC thinking that the competition was lesser and he might have peaked then...but far from past prime.

The truth is PRIDE was tremendously overrated b/c it had more mystique. Truth is it was a dirty organization with fixed fights and mob ties. You'll never know who got to their position due to real fights or dirty plays. But to watch them crumble is quite a show...and great TV

[mik3]

So, what happens when Pride guys continue to destroy 205 in UFC? That the Pride 205 champion gave Rampage a 100x better fight than Chuck did? Or that the Pride 205 champion hung with the UFC 205 champion, even though he's really a 185?

UFC has good fighters. To call Ninja one of the top Pride fighters is funny though. His brother might be the best fighter in the world, but Ninja is just a higher level fighter.

[mendozathejew]

Nick Diaz beat the fuckin tar off Gomi. Before that, he was stepping stone to Karo Parisyan, Joe Riggs along with others.

Crocop is not past his prime. Just this past New Years he kicked Wanderlei Silva's fat head off. He came to UFC thinking that the competition was lesser and he might have peaked then...but far from past prime.

The truth is PRIDE was tremendously overrated b/c it had more mystique. Truth is it was a dirty organization with fixed fights and mob ties. You'll never know who got to their position due to real fights or dirty plays. But to watch them crumble is quite a show...and great TV

meanwhile rampage beat the best UFC light heavyweight ever. and he lost to prides best 205 lb fighters brutally THREE times

anderson silva lost his last TWO fights in pride.

last I checked both fighters are the ufc champions at 205 and 185. really, CC is the only example of a pride fighter failed in the UFC. and he physically looks like shit. you can not honestly argue he hasnt lost considerable speed and reflexes.

the pride vs ufc argument was an old argument, about fighters in 2002 to 2005. it wasnt about which organization has better profits, or which ceo is better. UFC was a better run organization. that much is obvious

but the comparison was supposed to be about fighters, not suits. and these fighters dont operate in a vacuum. its 2007. not 2003 or 04 etc. people age, some improve, some regress.

its foolish to argue that one org was better than the other 3 or 4 years ago based on fights today. that goes BOTH WAYS.

you cant act like pride was overrated and ignore that rampage and anderson silva basically were washed out of Pride and couldnt cut it back then. But times change

[av8rOC]

So, what happens when Pride guys continue to destroy 205 in UFC? That the Pride 205 champion gave Rampage a 100x better fight than Chuck did? Or that the Pride 205 champion hung with the UFC 205 champion, even though he's really a 185?

UFC has good fighters. To call Ninja one of the top Pride fighters is funny though. His brother might be the best fighter in the world, but Ninja is just a higher level fighter.


Dude he got smoked by Lawler....a UFC reject. Ninja was a big name in Pride I dont care what you say.

Cro-Cop past his prime? Are you on crack? The guy just won the fucking OWGP! Hes 1-2 against UFC lower eschelon fighters. (Gonzaga was up and coming fairly unknown before that fight) And what about Nogueira's embarrasing performance against Heath Herring? Nick Diaz subbing Gomi. Hughes over Sakurai. Hell Matt Lindland, a natural MW and UFC vet put up a damn good fight against JC himself, Fedor.

Im not implying that Pride fighters suck and cant hang with UFC guys, Im just surprised at some performances since Pride has dissolved. Anderson Silva, Rampage and Hendo have all performed well so far. Im sure Shogun and Wandy will as well.

[mendozathejew]

Dude he got smoked by Lawler....a UFC reject. Ninja was a big name in Pride I dont care what you say.


Ninja was a Pride reject. he lost his last two fights in pride long ago. his last name us rua, but the wrong rua. your really being ignorant on this one.

ninja wasnt even a top 10 pride 185 fighter. his record was 5 wins 7 losses in pride. if his last name wasnt Rua we probably wouldnt even remember his name

[av8rOC]

Ninja was a Pride reject. he lost his last two fights in pride long ago. his last name us rua, but the wrong rua. your really being ignorant on this one.

ninja wasnt even a top 10 pride 185 fighter. his record was 5 wins 7 losses in pride. if his last name wasnt Rua we probably wouldnt even remember his name

Maybe so, but all his losses in Pride were against top competition....Rampage, Henderson, Fihlo, Kang, Randleman.

[novalia]

pride was fun to watch..
i have some great memories.

[mendozathejew]

Maybe so, but all his losses in Pride were against top competition....Rampage, Henderson, Fihlo, Kang, Randleman.

his most impressive showing was the loss to rampage, which it seemed even rampage didnt think he deserved. other than that ninja couldnt hang in Pride

Kang was supposed to be in the first TUF. but Pride snatched him away at the last second.

[mendozathejew]

Hamill beat the shit out of Bisping with a torn ACL, he needs surgery. he said in this mumble mouth interview that this is the reason he avoided fighting on the ground

http://www.fistfirstfighting.com/ext_player.php?id=113

[Cromwell]

Hamill beat the shit out of Bisping with a torn ACL, he needs surgery. he said in this mumble mouth interview that this is the reason he avoided fighting on the ground

Meaning he could have dominated even more. I like the way Hamil shows how to sign "you got hosed" :icon_mrgr

Some good MMA on the tube tomorrow:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN11_EMAILBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN11_EMAILBLAST_02.jpg

Love the K-Flo :icon_cool

I've also started this season TUF topic in the TV forum http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=75643

[Capt.Caveman]

I've read a bunch of posts about Pride guys being chumps...It's just not so....Anderson Silvas a pride guy is he a scrub? Kang, Shogun, Fedor and Silva I'm real excited to see in the UFC. Fedor vs Arlovski would be the best fight imo.

[mendozathejew]

Meaning he could have dominated even more. I like the way Hamil shows how to sign "you got hosed" :icon_mrgr

Id like to watch karen mayer and matt hamill try to talk to eachother

[av8rOC]

Hoooold on there dude.. I never called Pride guys chumps. I just said I was surprised at some of their performances since leaving for other orgs.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hoooold on there dude.. I never called Pride guys chumps. I just said I was surprised at some of their performances since leaving for other orgs.

then i misread. i'm sorry i am an over-reacting douche:action-sm

[Awful Me]

Ooooh! Fight Night Live on Spike right now.

Pete Sell vs Nate Quarry was a serious punch for punch brawl. That was one of the best (street fight) stand up fights I have seen in awhile.

Nate Diaz really should have gold teeth....

[mendozathejew]

quarry and sell was basically two white savages punching eachother with awful technique. great entertainment. pretty amateurish as for as technique though. quarry doesnt look like he has alot left.

[mendozathejew]

melvin mahoef from last week k1 heroes. no ground game but his stand up is frightening

http://i15.tinypic.com/68aq0t4.gif
http://i8.tinypic.com/67zh1ub.gif

[mik3]

quarry and sell was basically two white savages punching eachother with awful technique. great entertainment. pretty amateurish as for as technique though. quarry doesnt look like he has alot left.
Pretty much. If you're 35 with 15 pro fights and you're dumb enough to get into that fight with Sell then you almost deserve to lose.

[mendozathejew]

Pretty much. If you're 35 with 15 pro fights and you're dumb enough to get into that fight with Sell then you almost deserve to lose.

long brawls with pete sell will always be exciting. and hes always gona get his lights turned out. he should have tried to physically overhwelm quarry when he buzzed him at the beginning of the fight. and in the second round as well.

hes very amateurish in his boxing but hes very strong. give people enough time, they'll pick him apart

[mik3]

long brawls with pete sell will always be exciting. and hes always gona get his lights turned out. he should have tried to physically overhwelm quarry when he buzzed him at the beginning of the fight. and in the second round as well.

hes very amateurish in his boxing but hes very strong. give people enough time, they'll pick him apart
If Sell pretty much did anything up against the cage in the first two rounds then he probably wins the fight.

[mendozathejew]

If Sell pretty much did anything up against the cage in the first two rounds then he probably wins the fight.

he was afraid of getting hitafter hurting his opponent like terry martin just did by leben. assuming thats when the opponent is most dangerous. which is often true. and I think Sell was afraid that would happen just like Scott Smith did to him.

but hes not nearly technically sound or skilled enough to take the foot off the pedal and let the fight play out.

[mik3]

Nope, not at all. Even when he was landing the right in the first two rounds he just kept ducking his head in there to get hit. Nate knew he'd eventually hurt him.

[mendozathejew]

that Leben win really puts into perspective how hard Anderson Silva strikes. Cause he turned out Lebens lights like it was childs play. and Terry Martin drilled Leben in rounds 1 and 3, and hes supposed to have lights out power himself

[sniper]

GOOD! That's what you get when you get cocky, silly negro. Much deserved.

[chutzd]

I use to like terry martin, but the man douche cow sponser on his trunks makes me hate him. Wackbag needs to sponser J-Lo in his next fight, I'll throw in some money

[Standby]

GOOD! That's what you get when you get cocky, silly negro. Much deserved.

I was glad Leben won so they can continue to book him and have him get the shit beat out of him.

My God, someone else noticed the Mancow sponsor. I don't know how it didn't get mentioned until the last post.

Florian/Thomas was a great fight, but I really wasn't impressed by the other fights too much. But MMA is MMA, and I can't wait for this weekend.

[novalia]

i thought diaz was pretty good to watch..
leban fight was entertaining..
the florian fight started out sucky and ended suckier.. thomas blew out his knew on the shoot.. tough luck..
ugh the quarry fight was awful to me.. quarry almost punches like a girl.. his technique at least.. and he is slow oh so slow.. and sell should just be done in the ufc.. both of them are going nowhere..

what was nice was the first parts of the broadcast where their mics werent working.. it was refreshing to go into a commercial break without hearing "COMING UP NEXT.."

[Standby]

what was nice was the first parts of the broadcast where their mics werent working.. it was refreshing to go into a commercial break without hearing "COMING UP NEXT.."

Glad someone else mentioned that. I loved it, you got to hear JUST the fight. Adds some sort of brutal realism to it. Obviously a glitch but damn did the fight sound awesome when all you had mic'd was the octagon.

[Cromwell]

I enjoyed all the fights.

Quarry - Sell was a good old fashion punchout. As I said in the TUF topic - a bad night all around for Serrra. Saw Ray Longo there corning Sell too. Am very interesting in checking out his stand-up fighting classes. Unfortunately, the magic he work with Serra v. GSP can't be reproduced with Sell.

Leben - Martin - again, similar. Leben gets hit a couple of times on the button and just comes forward to deliver the knockout punch. That to me is exciting. Like he saids, "he's got a button on his face where when you hit it, his arm comes out". That's true fighting. You don't back up - you press forward and just throw-em. Last man standing.

I was impressed with K-Flo. He was tentative until that asshole "Din" (typical BS misspelling or mispronunciation of a name) was stupid enough to mock him him in the ring. That's when Kenny got pissed and turned it on. I don't care about blown out knees or whatever - it was Kenny pressing the action that forced it - K-Flo kicked his ass.

[Capt.Caveman]

I wish leben would have got ko'd I can't stand him. Sell is the unluckiest guy in mma. Florian looked good agian

[burky79]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1416539417_fbc0cab723_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1240/1417419360_17febcf1d0_o.jpg (http://76.ufc.com/)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1108/1417419410_e0ca1d9b6f_o.jpg (http://video.ufc.tv/76/ufc76_preview.html)

[mik3]

For all that is good, Jardine by KO. And I hope Shogun puts on a hell of a show.

[Capt.Caveman]

lidell by ko in 1

sanchez by unan dec

and for the upset griffin ko 3rd

[mik3]

If Griffin knocked out Shogun I think that'd be one of the bigger MMA upsets in recent history.

[Capt.Caveman]

it only takes 1

[GDRC]

Liddell by 2nd round KO
Shogun by 1st round KO
Sanchez 3rd round dec.

[burky79]

UFC 76 : Knocout thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=75995)



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[Capt.Caveman]

Hey any NJ people know of anywhere they televise the fight? My buddy can't get it tonite and I can't remember my ppv block code!!!!! i'n off x 117 gsp. the only place I know of is hooters on 22 but i really don't feel like driving that far

[Suicidebree]

I live off 117. I would invite you over but my girlfriend is making me go out with her friends so I'm missing it too. If you can wait till morning and know how to use torrents the PPV is usually up my 8am on most sites. If not here is one location that definatly is and is fairly close. dont know anything about the place.

NJ South Amboy Prime Time Sports Bar 732 721-6555.

There is also a small chance that fourth quarter sports bar in highlands, its brand new if you havent heard of it may get it. They have like 20 TVS. Call there and ask.

Also hooters in union has it but that may be the one you were talking about, its a 20 min ride.

[mik3]

If you can't find anywhere send me a PM and I'll give you info on how to watch it online live.

[Suicidebree]

I enjoyed all the fights.

Quarry - Sell was a good old fashion punchout. As I said in the TUF topic - a bad night all around for Serrra. Saw Ray Longo there corning Sell too. Am very interesting in checking out his stand-up fighting classes. Unfortunately, the magic he work with Serra v. GSP can't be reproduced with Sell.

I was impressed with K-Flo. He was tentative until that asshole "Din" (typical BS misspelling or mispronunciation of a name) was stupid enough to mock him him in the ring. That's when Kenny got pissed and turned it on. I don't care about blown out knees or whatever - it was Kenny pressing the action that forced it - K-Flo kicked his ass.

I disagree on both points. I thought Sell looked much better than in the past, I hope Dana gives him another shot. That guy from Serra's team that lost had no heart. Matt knew it but he was loyal.

I like Thomas and all the shit Kenny talks about ebing a finsiher, Din was right to mock him. Loved what I saw right after that out of Florian. I think Din's knee was bad. You could tell hwo bad it hurt and he didnt wanna move or quit.

[Capt.Caveman]

I disagree on both points. I thought Sell looked much better than in the past, I hope Dana gives him another shot. That guy from Serra's team that lost had no heart. Matt knew it but he was loyal.

I like Thomas and all the shit Kenny talks about ebing a finsiher, Din was right to mock him. Loved what I saw right after that out of Florian. I think Din's knee was bad. You could tell hwo bad it hurt and he didnt wanna move or quit.

pete sell is the unluckiest man in mma

[Cromwell]

Regarding last night's fights
(and I suppose I understand there might be a separate "viewing thread", but that certainly shouldn't negate us from talking about *anything* MMA in this thread)

You gotta give props to Keith Jackson's Albuquerque team. Jardine had a great gameplan and he used it. Lidell, once again, didn't prepare well enough for his opponent. I suspect he read too many of his clippings and thinks all he has to do is show up.

Jardine used his leg kicks the entire fight and Lidell had nothing to counter it.

Jardine is also just as big and as strong as Chuck. Yeah, it was a close split-decision - and surely Chuck *did* do damage to Keith - but Lidell can't think he got "screwed" by the judges choice (and I'm not saying he thinks that, but as of yet, I don't see any post-fight interview from him).

As for Griffin - all I can say is "Wow"!

He really showed something. In his post-fight interview, he says "yeah, I can do jiu-jitsu" too." Ha, ha. It was almost reluctant. As if to say, he still perfers the stand-up slug fests. He 's now a top contender at 205.

Fitch is also a rising star that should be given title fight consideration. He beat a very good fighter in Sanchez.

One could say "upsets" all around - but when you think about it - at this level - are they really upsets?

[burky79]

Regarding last night's fights
(and I suppose I understand there might be a separate "viewing thread", but that certainly shouldn't negate us from talking about *anything* MMA in this thread)
(i created that thread for people to talk about that specific UFC, while it was on and shortly after...

not as a "anything to do with UFC 76 from now on must be talked about here thread".

sortta like every day we have an O&A listening thread for that day specifically. no thread nazi-ing goin on here :) )

You gotta give props to Keith Jackson's Albuquerque team. Jardine had a great gameplan and he used it. Lidell, once again, didn't prepare well enough for his opponent. I suspect he read too many of his clippings and thinks all he has to do is show up.

Jardine used his leg kicks the entire fight and Lidell had nothing to counter it.

Jardine is also just as big and as strong as Chuck. Yeah, it was a close split-decision - and surely Chuck *did* do damage to Keith - but Lidell can't think he got "screwed" by the judges choice (and I'm not saying he thinks that, but as of yet, I don't see any post-fight interview from him).

As for Griffin - all I can say is "Wow"!

He really showed something. In his post-fight interview, he says "yeah, I can do jiu-jitsu" too." Ha, ha. It was almost reluctant. As if to say, he still perfers the stand-up slug fests. He 's now a top contender at 205.

Fitch is also a rising star that should be given title fight consideration. He beat a very good fighter in Sanchez.

One could say "upsets" all around - but when you think about it - at this level - are they really upsets?

as far as the Liddell/Jardine fight, I totally agree.
Chuck was looking for that one shot (which he is usually right on with), and in the first round, yeah, he can take some kicks and get by with no worse for the wear, if and only if he KO's his opponent.. well not with Jardine.

Jardine knew Chucks setup for the KO inside and out... he avoided it and wore Chuck down through the rounds, since Chuck obviously thought he could stand those kicks and still get the one shot... he never defended them properly (or at all in some of the kicks).

poor gameplan by Chuck and being a 1 dimensional fighter (i use that loosley, but in that fight he limited himself) he is gonna get weeded out by more rounded fighters, with better game plans specific to his style.

i applaud Chucks "fight anyone they put in front of him" attitude, but i think he prepares that way too... for anyone.

todays fights must be calculated per opponent.

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Forrest was great. he tailored his fight to Rua's style. same reason Jardine won. good prep pre fight.

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Fitch had oppertunity to finish and didn't capitalize is the only thing i can see wrong in his fight.

other than that he looks like an amazing physical specimen, with insane core strength and great sub defense.

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all in all great fights last night and just more added into the continuosly evolving sport of MMA... constant matuartion.

[mendozathejew]

wanderlei during the liddell jardine fight
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/Okkun/mma/mayhem_lurking.gif
and after
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x136/ILLTU/wanderleimayhem.gif

and mayhem miller being a silly goose in the background

[mendozathejew]

better gif
http://i9.tinypic.com/4xojspk.gif mayhem is insane

[burky79]

mayhem is insane

x2

dude is f-in nutzoid!

bet hed be a good interview fro da boys.

love his grill :D

[mendozathejew]

x2

dude is f-in nutzoid!

bet hed be a good interview fro da boys.

love his grill :D

they really should try and get more mma guys on air, the ones that have personalities. (like the used to with wrestling) I hope rampage is on air again, especially for a more active show where he can interact. mayhem would be great like you said.

the UFC show in newark is probably the best time to try and get some of these guys on. the boys are never gona be mma experts, but they can make good radio, non mma related, like no one else can.

[av8rOC]

So Mendoza, the "good" Rua just lost to a TUFer. How many more guys have to get embarrased before you acknowledge Pride's failure against other org's?

[novalia]

Liddell by 2nd round KO
Shogun by 1st round KO
Sanchez 3rd round dec.

haha you stink =)

[novalia]

they really should try and get more mma guys on air, the ones that have personalities.

that's what i loved so much about Pride.

edit: woops you meant on O&A.. i meant the UFC show.. always the same boring "i am going to beat him up" pre interview nonsense on the UFC shows... stupid kicking and punching in a shower of water..

come on guys get creative.. just interview the fighter and let him have some personality..
i am going to punch him
he thinks he's going to punch me but i am going to submit him
he can try to submit me but....

b o r i n g.

[mendozathejew]

So Mendoza, the "good" Rua just lost to a TUFer. How many more guys have to get embarrased before you acknowledge Pride's failure against other org's?

I guess its only the Pride fighters who werent good enough to win the belt 3 or 4 years ago who succeed in the UFC and dethrone its posters boys:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

Pride and UFC arguement is just silly. Sho gun came in out of shape. I don't know if he thought he was gonna run thru forest or what. Fedor is still a beast want to see him in the cage. rampage and A. Sliva are both pride guys and they're champs. So that arguement is just silly. Both org's have great fighters. I'm excited that they will all be in the same org. If they don't go to lesser ones like elite xc and bodog. The best fighters need to be in the UFC period

[mik3]

And remember, Gomi's not here, Arona's not here, Filho's in WEC.

UFC needs to pay more attention to the lighter weights with 205 pretty much full at this point. Use their WEC stake to get Farber/Filho/Condit fighting in the UFC>

[av8rOC]

Im not trying to say one is better than the other, I have been a Pride fan for years and aside from 170lbs always felt their fighters were superior. Im shocked at how poor most of them have done and am surprised some of you wont acknowledge it.
Yes Rampage and Silva have the belt but aside from those guys damn....

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

[mendozathejew]

Im not trying to say one is better than the other, I have been a Pride fan for years and aside from 170lbs always felt their fighters were superior. Im shocked at how poor most of them have done and am surprised some of you wont acknowledge it.
Yes Rampage and Silva have the belt but aside from those guys damn....

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

lots of factors here. steroids are likely an issue. but at the same time wed be fools to believe ufc fighters dont abuse them as well, aside from those who we already know have tested positive for them.

sherdog, which is usually an awful exchange of troll like ideas, actually had some interesting posts on this- comparing the rules and ring of ufc vs pride to tennis with hard court, grass, and clay. it changes the competition, favors some over others. ufc favors wrestlers/boxers, pride a little more favors kickboxers/jj. factor in ring/cage, yellow cards in pride, knees to downed opponents, and others.

I'll say my feeling again, that pride vs ufc was an old argument, from 2003 to 2005. thats when it really started, and meant something. after 05' the sport, its athletes and the specific orgs began to change drastically.

and these athletes dont live in a vacuum where its all the same a few years later in 2007 and 2008. we wont ever know who, in their primes, would win between wanderlei and liddell. theyve both lost their past 2 fights. wanderlei more viciously, but they are definitely on the downside.

and still dont really have all the info, matchups and results you would need to sort this out even years later when the sport is different. Liddell and Cro Cop seem to have been exposed not as frauds, but overrated. nog fought a fellow former pride fighter who hes faced before, and those two always brawl- nothing is known about Nog yet in the UFC. Fedor, along with Couture is the most inteligent and well prepared fighter in the world. His entrance to the UFC presumably against Randy will tell alot. Hendo at 185, Filho eventually at 185 in UFC would have to happen.

another factor- look at all the elite UFC fighters who have lost this year. it tells you that elite fighters in general have been losing in surprising fashion all year, regardless of their previous organizaiton affiliation

[Capt.Caveman]

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

def agree with you on that one. that could be the REASON SOME OF THESE GUYS ARE TAKING SO LONG TO COME OVER

[Suicidebree]

ANyone ahve any clue when presale tickets go on sale for Newark. thought I saw that tickets go on sale saturday but I thought the presale for fight club members was before that. Was goignt o buy the membership at that time. Anybody have a membership that can tell me?

Also Tito and Rashad better not be the main event.

[mik3]

Shogun having knee surgery friday. Said he couldn't run or anything during training due to it.

Might also be part of the reason he wanted to take it to the ground so quick.

[mendozathejew]

Shogun having knee surgery friday. Said he couldn't run or anything during training due to it.

Might also be part of the reason he wanted to take it to the ground so quick.

on sherdog someone translated (poorly) the portugese interview with Shogun. he basically said

he was sad, it was the worst defeat of his career
he has never gassed like that before, but the error was his, as he didnt train as well as griffin did.
the stand up fight was too tiring so he tried taking it to the ground

he has torn ligaments in one of his knees. he trained sufficiently but it wasnt enough. he has surgery on friday on the knee and wont train for 3 months

“The goal is the belt, the fight continues”



he will definitely have the pressure on him when he returns to prove this is or is not all hes capable of. wanderlei wants to fight griffin now, but forrest's cut will keep him away from the ring for a while. forrest says he has a whole in his face

[Standby]

he will definitely have the pressure on him when he returns to prove this is or is not all hes capable of. wanderlei wants to fight griffin now, but forrest's cut will keep him away from the ring for a while. forrest says he has a whole in his face

How do you not love that kid? He's got a way with words that always gets a chuckle out of me.

As for the UFC 78 PPV, I got an email that people on the JL list got, but I'm not sure being from NJ or Northern VA depending on what benefits me, will make it work.

Don't want to give details, but I'm sure a few of you got it and wanted to see what people thought. PMs wouldn't hurt to talk specifics, I just don't want to open up information to people JL's people may not want.

[Cromwell]

lots of factors here. steroids are likely an issue.



Speaking of 'roids - I heard a very disturbing rumor. Well, more like an opinion, but from someone I really respect.

One of my sensei's at the dojo I train at - who by the way is a third degree black belt (san dan) - and who has gone out to train with Randy Couture - he seems to think that there is no way Randy can do the things he does today - without the fact that he's taking steriods.

The guy is 44 years old - cut like a 20 year old - and had thrown guys much bigger than him around now, for his last few matches. Yet, at 205 he got knocked out by Chuck Lidell.

When I brought this subject up in a messaging chat with our own Rance - he said he'd be "shocked" if Randy was on the juice.

Joe said that he is just fanatical about his diet and exercise regimen.

I'd like to believe that. However, the scientific usage of steriods (much like Schwartzenegger did back in his bodybuilding days) certainly would explain a lot.

My question to my sensei was - if he is on 'roids - then how does he pass the testing?

He didn't really have an answer for that.

What do you guys think?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Randy has been wrestling for what, close to thirty years or more? I'd say it's just his work ethic, as he doesn't come off like an arrogant douche like most juice heads, IMO.

[mendozathejew]

randy has become an idol. but alot of people talk about him on "performance enhancers." wed all be fools to believe steroids arent very common in the UFC despite testing. there are many ways to get around it because there are so many really skilled people out there who know how.

and hgh is whole nother issue. and doctors are prescribing it to middle aged men commonly now, for non athletic/competitive purposes. some people are also just genetic freaks, atleast we think- like bernard hopkins and randy couture. no one else is really doing anything like this at their ages, on top of their game and champs at 40 +.

but no one wants to believe randy couture is on steroids. or atleast most people dont want to think that. who knows

[Cromwell]

Randy has been wrestling for what, close to thirty years or more? I'd say it's just his work ethic, as he doesn't come off like an arrogant douche like most juice heads, IMO.

That's what I think too.

Its funny that a guy I totally respect - and who knows Randy a lot better than many of us - would think that.

He did give props to Randy and his Greco Roman wrestling skills - as for the reason why he can pick guys that weigh 250-275 up and slam them to the mat.

Simply put (and to quote Joe Rogan) - "that guy is my hero!"

[mendozathejew]

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3425/naturoidposter2jj1kf4.jpg

[mendozathejew]

wanderlei I think is a serious juicer

but at this point, I think tons of athletes are at a minimum taking the HGH. and theres no test for it. and doctors are handing this shit out to middle aged men like asprin.

and young athletes take it before they make it to the big time. especially in baseball. they take that shit growing up in the dominican republic. or in the A ball. and the effects are permanent

[Cromwell]

randy has become an idol. but alot of people talk about him on "performance enhancers." wed all be fools to believe steroids arent very common in the UFC despite testing. there are many ways to get around it because there are so many really skilled people out there who know how.


Hmmmmm. This is just the sort of opinion I was looking for.




and hgh is whole nother issue. and doctors are prescribing it to middle aged men commonly now, for non athletic/competitive purposes. some people are also just genetic freaks, atleast we think- like bernard hopkins and randy couture. no one else is really doing anything like this at their ages, on top of their game and champs at 40 +.


Roger Clemens.


but no one wants to believe randy couture is on steroids. or atleast most people dont want to think that. who knows

Interesting observation.

wanderlei I think is a serious juicer

but at this point, I think tons of athletes are at a minimum taking the HGH. and theres no test for it.


Really? They don't test for this? Then its not a "banned substance"?


and doctors are handing this shit out to middle aged men like asprin.


No shit? Maybe I need to look into this. I've already got a script for Cialis :icon_mrgr - and I take creatine to enhance my workouts - perhaps there is more I can do.


and young athletes take it before they make it to the big time. especially in baseball. they take that shit growing up in the dominican republic. or in the A ball. and the effects are permanent

You sound like you are endorsing this, mendoza.

Are there no negative side-effects?

[Suicidebree]

There are guys walking around my gym older than him equally as ripped. The guys whole life is working out and he has his own line of pills of every kind. With all those supplements it more than possible for him to be no pun intended , natural. His dirty boxing and greco make him what he is.

Are there no negative side-effects?
Caveman forehead. Its why alot of people thing rogan is on it, I've heard both matt hughes and tank abott acuse joe of it.

[Cromwell]

With all those supplements it more than possible for him to be no pun intended , natural.


I'm going to have to look into his supplements then. I'll take them myself. :icon_cool




His dirty boxing and greco make him what he is.


Of course - the talent.

On the "side effects" question:


Caveman forehead. Its why alot of people thing rogan is on it, I've heard both matt hughes and tank abott acuse joe of it.

Rogan is ridiculously ripped. His arms get bigger each UFC Fight Night.

But then again - there's Carrot Top and Danny Bonaduce.

So - what's a little "caveman forehead" if the tradeoff is intimidating guns. :icon_wink

[Suicidebree]

Jersey PPV reportedly just got tito vs Dan henderson as the main event instead of tito rashad. very cool.

[av8rOC]

Jersey PPV reportedly just got tito vs Dan henderson as the main event instead of tito rashad. very cool.


Oh damn I hope thats true. I would love to see Hendo pound that huge melon around the Octogon for a few rounds.:clap:

[mendozathejew]

Oh damn I hope thats true. I would love to see Hendo pound that huge melon around the Octogon for a few rounds.:clap:

yeah talk about HGH side effects, Titos head has grown immensely. thats an hgh side effect. there are photos of tito where it looks like it was photo shopped. but no, thats really how big his head is.

that was the thing about bonds, imo. it wasnt that he took these steroids and hgh. its how much he took of it. he took everything, and lots of each, to the point of gross physical distortion of his skull.

[Cromwell]

yeah talk about HGH side effects, Titos head has grown immensely. thats an hgh side effect. there are photos of tito where it looks like it was photo shopped. but no, thats really how big his head is.

that was the thing about bonds, imo. it wasnt that he took these steroids and hgh. its how much he took of it. he took everything, and lots of each, to the point of gross physical distortion of his skull.

So 'doza - are you against any kind of HGH taking? Or do you not care?

[mendozathejew]

So 'doza - are you against any kind of HGH taking? Or do you not care?

for competition, Id rather it not exist. medically, no one knows the long term damages. Ive read articles that some doctors think it may be of use to people with all types of diseases, cause it will rebuild tissue that has been damaged b y illness.

theres an nfl coach who got suspended for the year for admitting to taking it because he thinks it may help his body cope with diabetes. he diidnt think the league would care about coaches taking it. I read some article about a doctor doing tests on it for crohnes disease.

but who knows what else its doing to the body. personally I think its a massive risk. but maybe Im wrong and barry bonds will live to 105.
and I know I definitely wouldnt take any of its benefits if Im gona have a dome shaped like barry bonds or tito ortiz' head

the problem I have in terms of competition, what do the athletes who dont want to take this shit do? they are at an immediate disadvantage. as much as Im a fan of rogan, its easy for a guy like him to argue its all evolution, it should all be allowed, when hes taken the shit. others might want to leave their bodies structure as is

[Suicidebree]

Fuuuck, UFC 78 tickets have been in presale all week. Was never able to find out until today was planning on joining. Hope there are decent seats left.

[av8rOC]

Anybody else know Keith Jardine is a badass viking techno dancer?

http://www.break.com/knockedupdvd/all-hail-technoviking.html

[Steam]

I thought tickets were supposed to go on sale at noon? I've been trying Ticketmaster and nothing. I just want tickets, dammit.

[Capt.Caveman]

Jacare signs with UFC

http://ufcmania.com/

[Suicidebree]

according to the prudential center tickets go on sale october sixth and i heard fight club members get them on the 2nd

[Standby]

Argh... doesn't look like I'll be able to make it up for the NJ PPV... Money's way too tight. Ah well, gotta hope they put one in DC at some point...

[Cromwell]

for competition, Id rather it not exist.


Well, that ship has sailed. But – pill supplements like Amino acids are cool, right?


medically, no one knows the long term damages. Ive read articles that some doctors think it may be of use to people with all types of diseases, cause it will rebuild tissue that has been damaged by illness.


This is true. Both my wife and daughter were given steriods when they were healing in the hospital.


theres an nfl coach who got suspended for the year for admitting to taking it because he thinks it may help his body cope with diabetes. he diidnt think the league would care about coaches taking it. I read some article about a doctor doing tests on it for crohnes disease.


My sister had that. I’ll bet they gave her ‘roids too.

That sucks about the coach. *He* should be allowed to take it. I didn’t think they even tested the coaches. He needs to talk to Randy (and learn all the secret tricks) :rolleyes:


but who knows what else its doing to the body. personally I think its a massive risk. but maybe Im wrong and barry bonds will live to 105.
and I know I definitely wouldnt take any of its benefits if Im gona have a dome shaped like barry bonds or tito ortiz' head


Ha! I’m not so sure about that. They’re still getting’ tail (Tito’s banging a famous porn star. Who the hell knows what Bonds is into. Probably Oscar De La Hoya-style underwear) :icon_mrgr


the problem I have in terms of competition, what do the athletes who dont want to take this shit do? they are at an immediate disadvantage. as much as Im a fan of rogan, its easy for a guy like him to argue its all evolution, it should all be allowed, when hes taken the shit. others might want to leave their bodies structure as is

Yeah, and Rogan is such a pot-head too.

Still, I like the guy.

Argh... doesn't look like I'll be able to make it up for the NJ PPV... Money's way too tight. Ah well, gotta hope they put one in DC at some point...

Noooooo!!!!

I wanted to do the MMA hang with you, man. :icon_cry:

Who else is gonna go?

We should all try to buy tickets nearby, so we can represent the 'bag.

[Palerider4146]

I'm trying to scrap the money together for the match also. If I sell my house within the next 5 days, I'll be perfect.

In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

[Capt.Caveman]

are the tickets on sale? I can't find them anywhere

[Suicidebree]

Here is the official info for ticket sales for UFC 78 in Newark:

UFC Fight Club Presale: Tuesday, October 2 at 10 am ET.(you can buy it on ticketmaster along with tickets)

Newsletter Presale: Thursday, October 4 at 10 am ET.

General Sales: Saturday, October 6 at 10 am ET.

[mendozathejew]

Well, that ship has sailed. But – pill supplements like Amino acids are cool, right?

yeah that ship has definitely sailed, for now. but there will eventually be an hgh test. then some new shit will come out

and since I know you like kickboxing crom, here are some gifs I came across from the k1 event this weekend

http://i24.tinypic.com/2d8hs85.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/b5r68o.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/rmtbf6.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/29o2uz4.gif

and this is from the middle weight title fight on saturday. GREAT fight, if you have HBO on demand I highly recommend watching this. first undisputed white middlweight champion in 3 or 4 decades.
http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/1575/kelly-pavlik_jermain-taylor.gif
http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/1577/Pavlik%20KO%20Taylor_4.gif

[Gotti420]

I just saw that Kongo and Nogueira are fighting at 79 for a shot at Randy. This is really looking like a great card.

[mendozathejew]

I just saw that Kongo and Nogueira are fighting at 79 for a shot at Randy. This is really looking like a great card.

alot better than the nog-mir match they were talking about last week

[Capt.Caveman]

mir is looking better lately let's hope he's 100% finally

[GDRC]

Here is the official info for ticket sales for UFC 78 in Newark:

UFC Fight Club Presale: Tuesday, October 2 at 10 am ET.(you can buy it on ticketmaster along with tickets)

Newsletter Presale: Thursday, October 4 at 10 am ET.

General Sales: Saturday, October 6 at 10 am ET.
Saw on MMAjunkie newsletter code is "ROGAN"

[Suicidebree]

Just bought my tickets for Newark on Presale: 128$ with fight club membership and all the hidden fees. I got fourth row mezzanine in the middle right at ten so they must be selling ok.

[Cromwell]

yeah that ship has definitely sailed, for now. but there will eventually be an hgh test. then some new shit will come out

and since I know you like kickboxing crom, here are some gifs I came across from the k1 event this weekend


Thanks for those, 'doza.

I do like the punching and kicking (more giving than receiving, as you might imagine :rolleyes:)



I'm trying to scrap the money together for the match also. If I sell my house within the next 5 days, I'll be perfect.


You wanna try to go for some reasonably priced ones, Pale? Drop me a PM. Wherever we're sitting - I'm sure we can meet up with everyone beforehand and mingle a bit. Maybe Rance will meet with us a bit afterwards.


In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

You would know, Mr. practioner of medicine :)

[Capt.Caveman]

The Lauzon/RANCE tally is now at 705 . I was in studio today but they never went to the crowd. I'll try again tomorrow. I just sent a bulletin on my myspace. If your not already one of my fake friends this is the bullitin i sent


Support an O n A fan/UFC fighter out and promote the show
Joe Lauzon is a UFC fighter and an Opie and Anthony fan. He is RANCE on wackbag.com He is fighting at UFC 78 in Newark. We are trying to sponsor him and promote wackbag at the same time. The wackbag logo will go on his shorts during his fight. We have raised $705 towards the $2250 it will take. You can donate as lil as $5 or as much as you want. Paypal is only accepted. Here is the link

[mendozathejew]

In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

yes prednisone is a cortisteroid for anti inflammation purposes. Ive been on it, Opie wasnt kidding when he said its the worst shit ever, even when it works.

but its not a testosterone producing steroid. its not anabolic. its in the same "drug family" as other steroids, has many of the same side effects, it doesnt add to muscle capabilities. infact, despite gaining weight on it, it makes you weaker for a period of time.

[av8rOC]

The Lauzon/RANCE tally is now at 705 . I was in studio today but they never went to the crowd. I'll try again tomorrow. I just sent a bulletin on my myspace. If your not already one of my fake friends this is the bullitin i sent


Support an O n A fan/UFC fighter out and promote the show
Joe Lauzon is a UFC fighter and an Opie and Anthony fan. He is RANCE on wackbag.com He is fighting at UFC 78 in Newark. We are trying to sponsor him and promote wackbag at the same time. The wackbag logo will go on his shorts during his fight. We have raised $705 towards the $2250 it will take. You can donate as lil as $5 or as much as you want. Paypal is only accepted. Here is the link

I think it's great that you guys want to support Joe but I dont understand why you want to put wackbag.com on his shorts. Does the site need more traffic? Do you think people will come here and go...hmm I should try listening to O&A cause this board is awesome!? Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.

[Cromwell]

Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.


Its only alternative to getting each of our individual names on there. :icon_mrgr

Seriously - the money goes to helping Joe pay bills and stuff when he trains.

He's a fan of the show like us - and a member of this message board.

Why not do it?

Its a good thing.

[Capt.Caveman]

I think it's great that you guys want to support Joe but I dont understand why you want to put wackbag.com on his shorts. Does the site need more traffic? Do you think people will come here and go...hmm I should try listening to O&A cause this board is awesome!? Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.

it promotes the show ad gets the web site out there. It will cause a lot of buzz for the show and the site. Plus I want to support a fellow bagger/fighter. and I'm a RANCE fan. I liked him since he ko'd Pulver. Plus he beat a guy from my school

[Suicidebree]

Its only alternative to getting each of our individual names on there. :icon_mrgr

Seriously - the money goes to helping Joe pay bills and stuff when he trains.

He's a fan of the show like us - and a member of this message board.

Why not do it?

Its a good thing.

Plus it would be wicked cool.

[Capt.Caveman]

Plus it would be wicked cool.

and he's handsome.....no homo

[Palerider4146]

and he's handsome.....no homo


He is a strapping young buck! Have you seen those abs. Sorry Crom, I have been getting laid again, hehe!

[Cromwell]

He is a strapping young buck! Have you seen those abs. Sorry Crom, I have been getting laid again, hehe!


Heh, heh.

Alright.

Pale and I are in for this fight.

Just got the tickets through the Newsletter subscribers Presale.

Gonna see the Rance-man do his thing. :)


Oh, and they've just added Bisbing vs. Rashad to the card.

That should be a very interesting fight. :icon_cool

[Suicidebree]

Thiago Silva vs houston Alexander just added to UFc 78. Still a no marquee names. I wouldnt buy this on PPV and yet i am stuck with tickets.

[Cromwell]

Thiago Silva vs houston Alexander just added to UFc 78.


OK - some more confirmations.


Still no marquee names.


Gasp! Don't let Rance hear you saying that. :rolleyes:


I wouldnt buy this on PPV and yet i am stuck with tickets.

I think they want to promote 77 more first - before they start putting up the big names for 78.

[Palerider4146]

I would have thought you might have gotten Hughes/Serra at 78, considering that it would be a home match for Serra. Also should be toward the end of TUF.

I'm going to start a thread for people planning on going to the event live and try to set up pre and post fight meets. Maybe get Rance in there himself.

[Suicidebree]

I would have thought you might have gotten Hughes/Serra at 78, considering that it would be a home match for Serra. Also should be toward the end of TUF.

I'm going to start a thread for people planning on going to the event live and try to set up pre and post fight meets. Maybe get Rance in there himself.

I think the TUF finale is usually free on Spike. I'm out for the pre fight meeting. Going to a jui jitsu tournament during the day. I thin Rance said there is some sort of afterparty through a sponsor. probably in NewYork at a night club.

[Palerider4146]

The TUF finale will be, but I dont foresee them putting Hughes/Serra on for free. I would think that would be a PPV.

[Capt.Caveman]

UPCOMING UFC EVENTS

UFC 77

Franklin vs Silva
Sylvia vs Vera
Okami vs Mcdonald
Belcher vs Starnes
Shaefer vs Bonnar
Grice vs Black
Gurgel vs Robinson
Petz vs Burkman
Maia vs Jensen

UFC 78

Bisbing vs Evans
Alexander vs T. Silva
Edgar vs Fisher
Parysian vs Lombard
Chonan vs Alves
Rienhardt vs Lauzon (RANCE)
Terrell vs Herman
Gono vs Mccrory

UFC 79

Hoghes vs Serra
Kongo vs Nogueira
Lister vs Radev


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[mik3]

I want to see Alexander vs Silva.

It'll probably be the first fight where Alexander's opponent won't just let him dictate what goes on

[Gotti420]

UFC 79

Hoghes vs Serra
Kongo vs Nogueira
Lister vs Radev


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

BJ Penn along with Wanderlei Silva are also supposed to be fighting in Dec.

[Capt.Caveman]

BJ Penn along with Wanderlei Silva are also supposed to be fighting in Dec.

penn may be fighting either sherk (pending appeal) or stevenson for the lightweight title but nothing is set yet. silva i have no idea. i'm guessing he's gonna fight a 2nd teir fighter to pump him up

[Capt.Caveman]

looking at the fight card for 78 i hope rance makes the main card

[GDRC]

Nog vs Kongo not likely until early 2008, not the December card.
http://mmajunkie.com/2007/10/04/report-nogueira-vs-kongo-likely-in-early-2008/

[Six-Pack]

Anyone have a presale code for the November PPV (its in Jersey)? They allow the general public to buy tickets but are tacking on $75 per ticket for their club membership!!!

[av8rOC]

Anyone have a presale code for the November PPV (its in Jersey)? They allow the general public to buy tickets but are tacking on $75 per ticket for their club membership!!!

Try: ROGAN

[Cromwell]

Try: ROGAN

Yes, that's it. Its what I used yesterday to get my tickets.

I heard from a very reliable source that Penn will fight Stevenson for the title soon.

I am just a bit annoyed by this, as I think Kenny Florian deserves the shot.

Or at the very least, Stevenson should have to fight K-Flo first to see who is the most worthy to challenge for the title (Baby J being above question).

Hey Pale - that would be cool if they do have this UFC afterparty - we could then meet and greet with the (hopefully) victorious J-Lau there. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

Yes, that's it. Its what I used yesterday to get my tickets.

I heard from a very reliable source that Penn will fight Stevenson for the title soon.

I am just a bit annoyed by this, as I think Kenny Florian deserves the shot.

Or at the very least, Stevenson should have to fight K-Flo first to see who is the most worthy to challenge for the title (Baby J being above question).

Hey Pale - that would be cool if they do have this UFC afterparty - we could then meet and greet with the (hopefully) victorious J-Lau there. :icon_cool

No way Crom. The 155 division is way too stacked to give Florian another shot so soon. I'm not saying hes not worthy, I just think other guys have earned their shot.
What is this argue with Cromwell day for me??:icon_mrgr:icon_mrgr:icon_mrgr

[mendozathejew]

florian probably does deserve another shot. but hes already been given one. and its really tough to know who ranks were at 155 right now. its not possible to really judge it, so a bunch of people need their first shots before florian gets a second

[mendozathejew]

the ufc hbo deal reached a dead end and isnt happening. but supposedly dana white has something else in the works, maybe espn.

[Standby]

I tell you the fight I'm looking forward to... and that's Cromwell vs. Po.

[Palerider4146]

So I heard the UFC 78 ad on the show today, looks like Bisping/Evans is the main event. I'm a little disappointed by that. Not that it shouldnt be a good fight, and if Evans wins may give him his title shot, but that should have been a good opportunity for Serra/Hughes. Give the champ a home crowd and all. Also should have matched up with the end of TUF. On top of that Karo was supposed to fight a judokan from Cuba, Hector Lombard, but sherdog is reporting Lombard cant get his Visa to the US. I also have yet to see Rances name officially on the card on the UFC website, I'm getting a little worried about that. Any thoughts Rancy my man?

In regards to HBO, Dana was quoted on sherdog that it will still happen. That both sides really want it and that it will eventually happen. Let me ask though. What would be better, HBO, or ESPN? Keep in mind that the IFL will soon be doing live fights on network (well, kind of network, with the Mynetworktv, echhh) very soon. Granted, just about everyone has cable now but that is still a pretty big coup.

[Gotti420]

Karo was supposed to fight a judokan from Cuba, Hector Lombard, but sherdog is reporting Lombard cant get his Visa to the US.

I heard about that, hopefully they'll get a good replacement. Fitch or Kos might be options

[Capt.Caveman]

hey anyone know where barnett, coleman, fedor and his bro, and hunt have been hiding. Barnett and fedor would make a run for the title. the other's are just fun to watch and would bolster the hwt division

[mendozathejew]

hey anyone know where barnett, coleman, fedor and his bro, and hunt have been hiding. Barnett and fedor would make a run for the title. the other's are just fun to watch and would bolster the hwt division

fedor's management team and dana white have been in negotiations for months. between russian management, and dana white you have two of the most stubborn forces known to man trying to reach a compromise. fedor wants to be able to compete in Sambo tournaments, and would like an mma push in russia.

all the guy does is train. he goes all over europe, has been really working on his muay thai.

Barnett and Dana White hate eachother. well dana white hates barnett, and the UFC is largely run based on dana whites personal feelings about fighters. doesnt seem likely that he'll be in the UFC. which is a shame cause hes definitely a top 5 HW, arguably top 3, has a ko win over Randy Couture, and probably matchups up against fedor better than anyone else. his win over nog in the open weight grand prix is one of my favorite fights ever. great ground work in that fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hackelmann says Liddell vs Silva ufc 79

Guida vs Huerta TUF Finale

http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic10720-1.html


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[Cromwell]

I tell you the fight I'm looking forward to... and that's Cromwell vs. Po.

Ha, ha.
:icon_mrgr
You got it.

Here:
Here is the video I promised.
Better quality - http://www.sendspace.com/file/cbae9x

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/eddie1964/O%20And%20A%202007/10-08-07%20Cromwell%20vs%20Po/th_P1030331.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/eddie1964/O%20And%20A%202007/10-08-07%20Cromwell%20vs%20Po/?action=view&current=P1030331.flv)

and here
(with full audio)


Here's the clip of Master Po (Burgandy Shirt) and Cromwell (White T-Shirt) going at it.
zeWs3blCGP4

Thanks to Special Eddie and Anthony/Robe Soup & Tears for the recordings.

I also have yet to see Rances name officially on the card on the UFC website, I'm getting a little worried about that. Any thoughts Rancy my man?


Although I know you are really just trawling for a personal response from the Hilo-boy, its pretty obvious he is fighting at UFC 78. I mean – he had friends put together a complete road-trip package for everyone coming down from Massachusetts. You would know that if you read his emails and blogs. :rolleyes:

[novalia]

not to be a critic here but what were you doing in that video?
are you training? because it didnt look like you were trying to get him in your guard or anything defensive except well i dont know... serve him your head?

i suppose maybe you were being polite.. which is a bad move against that fucker.. he'd take any opportunity to make an example of you.. you should have been more aggressive is all i'm saying =)

[Gotti420]

Apparently Fedor has signed a deal with M-1

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/10/10/reports-fedor-emelianenko-chooses-m-1-over-ufc/

I really don't see how he can hold onto that #1 spot for much longer. The UFC has the best heavyweights in the world with the exception of Barnett so Fedor has no one to fight but hand-picked cans. He's turning into Frank Shamrock.

[mendozathejew]

has the best heavyweights in the world with the exception of Barnett so Fedor has no one to fight but hand-picked cans. He's turning into Frank Shamrock.

sad but true. barnett is a top 5 HW. arguably top 3, mma weekly has him at 3. hes very very good. thats a big fight for fedor. but after that? he can probably ground and pound the worlds best kickboxers but unless another org rises out of japan to compete for the top guys, I agree he cant hold onto #1 for too long after fighting barnett, assuming that happens

its still not confirmed though. but doesnt look good

[mendozathejew]

Speaking of 'roids - I heard a very disturbing rumor. Well, more like an opinion, but from someone I really respect.

One of my sensei's at the dojo I train at - who by the way is a third degree black belt (san dan) - and who has gone out to train with Randy Couture - he seems to think that there is no way Randy can do the things he does today - without the fact that he's taking steriods.

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/193372059

Randy “The Natural” Couture has been quoted as saying that there’s a “Steroid witch hunt” with him in the crosshairs. ONE DAY before UFC 74, Joe Rogan, the UFC’s color commentator, added fuel to this fire when he did a guest spot on ESPNEWS to promote the Pay-Per-View event by claiming that Couture had undergone “hormone replacement therapy” and applauded what modern science could do for older fighters......

Im a big fan of both. hopkins and couture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJb-R_6kEY

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/193372059

Randy “The Natural” Couture has been quoted as saying that there’s a “Steroid witch hunt” with him in the crosshairs. ONE DAY before UFC 74, Joe Rogan, the UFC’s color commentator, added fuel to this fire when he did a guest spot on ESPNEWS to promote the Pay-Per-View event by claiming that Couture had undergone “hormone replacement therapy” and applauded what modern science could do for older fighters......

Im a big fan of both. hopkins and couture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJb-R_6kEY

couture is just a ridiculous wrestler and worker. the guy out works 20 year olds. I personally don't think randy's juicing

[mendozathejew]

couture is just a ridiculous wrestler and worker. the guy out works 20 year olds. I personally don't think randy's juicing

thats just it. and hes never been more ripped. I doubt rogan was talking out of his ass. but we'll see. like I was saying a couple weeks ago, this is becoming a common treatment for middle aged men

[Cromwell]

not to be a critic here but what were you doing in that video?
are you training? because it didnt look like you were trying to get him in your guard or anything defensive except well i dont know... serve him your head?


Ha, ha.

Yeah, it certainly does look like that. :icon_mrgr

Truth be told, I didn't know what Po intended to do there, I was just sort of going in for a Judo tie-up.

But - give me credit for withstanding his choke-out attempt (think Matt Hughes vs BJ Penn) and actually getting out of it. You can see at the end I was on my feet. Yeah, Po was taking my back then, but by that time I had my chin tucked, I had both hands on his arm - he no longer had the choke.

We weren't throwing strikes - so it really wasn't a full-on match.

It was more like a "demo".


i suppose maybe you were being polite.. which is a bad move against that fucker.. he'd take any opportunity to make an example of you.. you should have been more aggressive is all i'm saying =)

Hey - my first "UFC fight in the XM Studios" - you gotta expect me to be a bit cautious :rolleyes:


thats just it. and hes never been more ripped. I doubt rogan was talking out of his ass. but we'll see. like I was saying a couple weeks ago, this is becoming a common treatment for middle aged men

And now I know what I need to get hold of :icon_wink

[novalia]

Truth be told, I didn't know what Po intended to do there, I was just sort of going in for a Judo tie-up.

We weren't throwing strikes - so it really wasn't a full-on match.


yeah i never liked "play" fighting either.. too confusing..
i'd rather just punch someone in the face or kick them in the balls.

good sport you didnt lash out at me =)

[Capt.Caveman]

COUTURE QUITS UFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=4581604124&MyToken=e1295d10-325f-456f-9c5c-096ae6f8599a


Couture Quits UFC!

The Fight Network


MMA Icon Walks Away From Promotion In Stunning Move


By Brian Knapp


At the height of its power and popularity, the Ultimate Fighting Championship today lost the man many recognize as the face of mixed martial arts. UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture announced his resignation from the Las Vegas-based promotion, leaving two contracted fights, his job as an on-air analyst and his heavyweight crown on the table.


In South Africa shooting scenes for his lead role in the upcoming feature film “The Scorpion King – Rise of the Akkadian,” Couture made the announcement official in a letter to UFC president Dana White. The UFC’s inability to land PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko played a prominent role in the decision to walk away, according to Couture.


“I appreciate this opportunity the sport of MMA and the UFC has given me,” the UFC Hall-of-Famer said. “However, I’m tired of swimming upstream at this stage with the management of the UFC. It only makes sense at this point in my career to fight Fedor Emelianenko, and since he’s now signed with another organization, I feel like it’s time to resign and focus on my other endeavors.”


His abrupt departure deals a significant blow to the world’s most visible MMA organization. Couture was not only a beloved competitor – White once called him “the greatest fighter in UFC history” – but also a revered spokesman for a company that had long struggled to gain mainstream acceptance.


“Randy’s contract was on a fight-by-fight basis, and that’s the way he said he was always going to take it – fight by fight,” said Matt Walker, Couture’s agent at The Gersh Agency. “His acting career is accelerating at an astronomical rate, and without the support he felt some of his peers were receiving in the fight business, this was the logical choice.”


A three-time All-American wrestler at Oklahoma State University, Couture won four national championships in Greco-Roman wrestling and made four attempts at qualifying for the Olympics. He made his MMA debut at UFC 13 on May 13, 1997, where, at age 33, he won a heavyweight tournament, defeating Tony Halme and Steven Graham on the same night. Just seven months later, he toppled famed kickboxer Maurice Smith in Yokohama, Japan to win the UFC heavyweight crown for the first time.


Over the course of the next decade, Couture emerged as one of the most decorated mixed martial artists in history. The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title, as well. Couture remains the only man to win UFC championships in two weight classes.


His run through the promotion included a memorable trilogy with light heavyweight rival Chuck Liddell, the only opponent to beat Couture twice. Following his third bout with Liddell in February 2006, Couture announced his first retirement.


As 2007 dawned, his desire to compete returned, and a four-fight contract with the UFC – which included the opportunity to fight Tim Sylvia for the heavyweight strap at UFC 68 in March – was presented to Couture. He accepted, and the wheels for an historic comeback were set in motion.


Couture floored Sylvia with an overhand right seconds into the bout and punished the 6-foot-8 giant over five rounds. Playing to chants of “Randy!” he regained the heavyweight title for an unprecedented third time in front of 19,049 fans at the Nationwide Arena in Columbus, Ohio. Five months later, at the age of 44, he defeated rising contender Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74, stopping the young Brazilian by third-round TKO despite suffering a broken left arm. It would be his final appearance in the Octagon.


Couture (16-8) leaves behind an unrivaled legacy in the sport. Fifteen of his 24 career bouts were title fights, and he bested six former UFC champions – Liddell, Vitor Belfort, Tito Ortiz and Sylvia among them. Always willing to meet a challenge, Couture consistently tested himself against the world’s premier fighters. The 19 men he fought (he squared off with Pedro Rizzo twice and Liddell and Belfort three times each) hold 357 victories between them

[novalia]

smart man.

[Cromwell]

Couture Quits UFC!

The Fight Network


MMA Icon Walks Away From Promotion In Stunning Move


WTF?!? :icon_conf




Randy Couture announced his resignation from the Las Vegas-based promotion, leaving two contracted fights, his job as an on-air analyst and his heavyweight crown on the table.


I don't get this move.


In South Africa shooting scenes for his lead role in the upcoming feature film “The Scorpion King – Rise of the Akkadian,” Couture made the announcement official


Ah - he's going "The Rock" route.

Why do I think something else is behind this? Like for instance (confirming mendoza's speculations) they may have found out about some performance enhancing substances and this is his way to leave and save face.




in a letter to UFC president Dana White. The UFC’s inability to land PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko played a prominent role in the decision to walk away, according to Couture.


Seems like a convenient excuse. I mean - they've had "unifying fights" before.



“Randy’s contract was on a fight-by-fight basis, and that’s the way he said he was always going to take it – fight by fight,” said Matt Walker, Couture’s agent at The Gersh Agency.


Smart that he had his contract drawn-up that way.



“His acting career is accelerating at an astronomical rate, and without the support he felt some of his peers were receiving in the fight business, this was the logical choice.”


So - we're going to see him as super hero/super baddie in films for a while now?



A three-time All-American wrestler at Oklahoma State University, Couture won four national championships in Greco-Roman wrestling


But never a "champlion" like the Iron Sheik :icon_mrgr



Couture emerged as one of the most decorated mixed martial artists in history. The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title, as well. Couture remains the only man to win UFC championships in two weight classes.


His run through the promotion included a memorable trilogy with light heavyweight rival Chuck Liddell, the only opponent to beat Couture twice.

Couture floored Sylvia with an overhand right seconds into the bout and punished the 6-foot-8 giant over five rounds. Playing to chants of “Randy!” he regained the heavyweight title for an unprecedented third time in front of 19,049 fans at the Nationwide Arena in Columbus, Ohio. Five months later, at the age of 44, he defeated rising contender Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74, stopping the young Brazilian by third-round TKO despite suffering a broken left arm. It would be his final appearance in the Octagon.


Couture (16-8) leaves behind an unrivaled legacy in the sport. Fifteen of his 24 career bouts were title fights, and he bested six former UFC champions – Liddell, Vitor Belfort, Tito Ortiz and Sylvia among them. Always willing to meet a challenge, Couture consistently tested himself against the world’s premier fighters. The 19 men he fought (he squared off with Pedro Rizzo twice and Liddell and Belfort three times each) hold 357 victories between them

The guy will always be an inspriation to me. You know "older gentlemen" :rolleyes:

[novalia]

Why do I think something else is behind this? Like for instance (confirming mendoza's speculations) they may have found out about some performance enhancing substances and this is his way to leave and save face.


ding ding ding..
when it smells it smells.

[mendozathejew]

that steroid theory is pretty interesting. maybe everything else is a convenient excuse. but either way I think he has a real problem with dana white and zuffa, always has, and finally had enough.

the reason to come out now is probably self centered, for whatever reason. but hes pissed he was lied to about his contract being the 2nd biggest while finding out many fighters are making alot more, and hes sick of seeing fighters fight for 3 shitty thousand dollars. when a ppv makes 40 million in revenue, and your total payout for all fighters adds up to only 2 million, someones' gona buck.

suddenly frank shamrock and tito ortiz dont sound so unreasonable. and if its true that mark cuban pruchased m1, with fedor already signed, hes gona be a real threat to the ufc. not destroy it, but take market share, and up the ante in terms of fighters salaries considerably. we all know he goes all out for his buiness ventures. ,

[mendozathejew]

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=5096

“It’s not a retirement,” said Couture Friday, who also works as on-air analyst and ambassador for The Fight Network. “It’s a resignation from the UFC organization.”


White’s praise hasn’t extended to Couture’s confidantes though, which includes Couture’s agent Matt Walker, of the Los Angeles-based Gersh Agency.

“He hooked up with some Hollywood agent that I bitch slapped about a month ago, and these Hollywood agents are parasites, so unfortunately this guy is probably in Randy’s ear right now,” White said. “Apparently Randy’s upset about something, and the timing of this thing is a typical Hollywood agent move while Randy’s out of town.”

Couture says White’s reaction is typical of the problematic attitude the athlete shunned yesterday.

"He doesn't respect anybody unless he controls them," said Couture. "Disrespecting my agent Matt is insulting to me because it says I'm not intelligent enough to make a decision on my own or surround myself with quality people. It's all about respect, something they've never given me or anyone representing me."

[Gotti420]

Dana has done great things for the sport and I'm not usually one to bash him, but I think Randy definitely has a point when it comes to the respect issue. Could you imagine a commissioner of the NFL or NBA saying in an interview that they "bitch slapped" an athlete's agent? With EliteXC putting on good shows and with Mark Cuban apparently getting into the MMA game Dana cannot afford to treat the fighters like shit anymore.

[Capt.Caveman]

that steroid theory is pretty interesting. maybe everything else is a convenient excuse. but either way I think he has a real problem with dana white and zuffa, always has, and finally had enough.

the reason to come out now is probably self centered, for whatever reason. but hes pissed he was lied to about his contract being the 2nd biggest while finding out many fighters are making alot more, and hes sick of seeing fighters fight for 3 shitty thousand dollars. when a ppv makes 40 million in revenue, and your total payout for all fighters adds up to only 2 million, someones' gona buck.

suddenly frank shamrock and tito ortiz dont sound so unreasonable. and if its true that mark cuban pruchased m1, with fedor already signed, hes gona be a real threat to the ufc. not destroy it, but take market share, and up the ante in terms of fighters salaries considerably. we all know he goes all out for his buiness ventures. ,



the only thing that makes me doubt the roids is after the gonzaga fight dana and randy agreed there is no one left to fight at hwt. cro cop would have been the guy. nogeuria would be an interesting fight but it would be a ground battle. I love a good ground war but casual fans aren't paying to see that one.

[mendozathejew]

randy is disgusted with zuffa and dana white. and his response to randys leaving UFC only confirmed it for him. that hes just a puppet for some hollywood agent. Randy put up with it like everyone else because he wanted to compete, but once the fedor fight wasnt in the cards, it wasnt worth it go along with the game anymore, so hes taking a stand. its a pretty big deal for the sport. with Cuban getting involved in M1 this is how the game gets splintered. its bound to happen at some point

[Capt.Caveman]

it just sucks. now the best hwt is gonna fight nobodies instead of the best hwts in the world. I just want all the best fighters in 1 place. like the NFL, NBA or MLB. Sure there are other org's but the best play for these. Fedors ruining his career imo

[mendozathejew]

Sure there are other org's but the best play for these. Fedors ruining his career imo

could very well be. but I think the sport is gona change. especially if randy and fedor are able to fight in 9 months for m1. then he fights barnett. thats about as good as it gets, right now, if he wins those.

If Cuban gets in this thing, it will change. because he wont be paying 3K for a fighter, and he wont be holding bonus checks over their head so they keep in line. thats another one of randy's big gripes. he never got his bonus check he was promised after the gonazaga fight. what kind of bullshit is that? you either are willing to pay the fighters a certain amount or not. its a way to control the fighters, and limit their bargaining position come contract time. and randy says dana white only respects you if he can control you

arona just signed with m1.

[Rance]

http://joelauzon.com/images/random/gym%20100307_46Gym1100307_500w.jpg

<i>When Joe Lauzon participated in the Ultimate Fighter season five reality show, it gave him a chance to receive some world class mixed-martial-arts training from former UFC Champions, BJ Penn and Jens Pulver. Since Lauzon already stopped Pulver in his UFC debut, he volunteered himself to be a part of Penn’s team. Under Penn, Lauzon thrived and a bond was made between to the two fighters. This lead to Penn inviting Lauzon to come to Hawaii for extended training. Will this move pay off as Lauzon will fight undefeated Jason Reinhardt at UFC 76: Validation in Newark, New Jersey? Here is what Lauzon told ADCC News in this Q&A.</i>

http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=34

[Cromwell]

Lauzon will fight undefeated Jason Reinhardt at UFC 78: Validation in Newark, New Jersey



I'll be there to watch you lay an "ass whoopin'" on your opponent, Rance. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

could very well be. but I think the sport is gona change. especially if randy and fedor are able to fight in 9 months for m1. then he fights barnett. thats about as good as it gets, right now, if he wins those.

If Cuban gets in this thing, it will change. because he wont be paying 3K for a fighter, and he wont be holding bonus checks over their head so they keep in line. thats another one of randy's big gripes. he never got his bonus check he was promised after the gonazaga fight. what kind of bullshit is that? you either are willing to pay the fighters a certain amount or not. its a way to control the fighters, and limit their bargaining position come contract time. and randy says dana white only respects you if he can control you

arona just signed with m1.

i see your point, but i'd still like to see fighters all in 1 place. arona was never coming to the ufc. he's a "boring" fighter and wasn't gonna be offered a contract. I can't remember where i read that one. I think the best challenger in the world for fedor is arlovski. besides getting ko'd by silvia he really hasn't lost since 2002. I don't count their 3rd fight sylvia ran away for 5 rounds. another guy i'd like to see in the ufc is denis kang. he's fighting in k-1 but he needs to be in the us fighting the best

[mendozathejew]

i see your point, but i'd still like to see fighters all in 1 place. arona was never coming to the ufc. he's a "boring" fighter and wasn't gonna be offered a contract. I can't remember where i read that one. I think the best challenger in the world for fedor is arlovski. besides getting ko'd by silvia he really hasn't lost since 2002. I don't count their 3rd fight sylvia ran away for 5 rounds. another guy i'd like to see in the ufc is denis kang. he's fighting in k-1 but he needs to be in the us fighting the best

Id like to see all the fighters in boxing and mma under one promotion, but its just not in the cards. unless theres federal regulation its an impossibility long term.. this is why Ive always said mma is in its honeymoon phase. with success and longevity comes complications.

Fedor always wanted to face AA too, hes always complimented alrovski. Kang would be great in the UFC, but apparently dana white doesnt think so, he says hes not an elite fighter. yet chonan is? Kang was supposed to be in the first season of TUF but took as pride contract instead.

Hendo also has an interesting set of quotes about the deals the UFC has offered him. he only has 1 fight left on his contract




Last week, UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture walked away from the organization with two fights left on his contract, in part, due to what he thought was low pay compared to other UFC stars. He also told Sherdog.com that the UFC lied to him about being the second-highest paid fighter in the promotion.

Couture is not alone when it comes to being dissatisfied with how the UFC doles out dollars. Light heavyweight Dan Henderson, who was in Houston on Saturday to conduct a clinic at Miletich Fighting Systems, says dealing with the UFC on compensation and contracts is challenging and not as easy as previous negotiations with Pride Fighting Championships.

"It seems like guys could be happier," Henderson said. "Part of the problem is that they had a couple, three bad shows and got killed in Ireland (at UFC 72) on the money. And, possibly the fact that they spent a boatload of money buying Pride and didn't do anything with it; they are trying to make some cutbacks, and the fighters aren't overly happy about that."

The 37-year-old Team Quest fighter has one bout left on the Pride contract he brought with him to the UFC. White offered an extension, but Henderson didn't bite. He thought the offer was low and chose to take the fight against Quinton Jackson at UFC 75 under the terms of his Pride contract, which left him with no opportunity for a fight bonus.

Despite assurances from White that he would be taken care of in the UFC, Henderson is waiting for what he thinks is an equitable offer.

"He was telling me that, 'We haven't had guys leaving. We take care of the guys, that's why they're happy. We don't want guys that are unhappy,' " Henderson said about initial negotiations with White. "I haven't seen that."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5213681.html

[Cromwell]

Despite assurances from White that he would be taken care of in the UFC, Henderson is waiting for what he thinks is an equitable offer.

"He was telling me that, 'We haven't had guys leaving. We take care of the guys, that's why they're happy. We don't want guys that are unhappy,' " Henderson said about initial negotiations with White. "I haven't seen that."



Business negotiations are always a hassle.


Do any of these guys have agents?

One of the reasons Alex Rodriquez is so rich is because of Scott Boras.

[av8rOC]

hey guys. Im on a trip saturday and nobody around my hotel is showing the ufc. Can someone pm me with info for a live feed?

[mendozathejew]

hey guys. Im on a trip saturday and nobody around my hotel is showing the ufc. Can someone pm me with info for a live feed?

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can

[Capt.Caveman]

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can

i'll be pm'ing you:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

koschek sent out a bullitan on my space aq few months ago about the ufc being cheap. fighters not getting paid enough. I know that young fighters in there first ufc bout barely make anything. if not for sponsors they'd probably owe money

[Gotti420]

koschek sent out a bullitan on my space aq few months ago about the ufc being cheap. fighters not getting paid enough. I know that young fighters in there first ufc bout barely make anything. if not for sponsors they'd probably owe money

In Koschek's case he's probably still on the first contract he signed after TUF so he's not getting as much as the top guys. You're right, 3 grand or whatever they get does suck for the young fighters, but the numbers from PRIDE and K1's US shows were about the same. On the other hand, if you look at the recent Strikeforce payouts from their show at the playboy mansion fighters were getting as little as five hundred.

[Standby]

The issue is that from what I've seen, TUF is breeding a new class every season of fighters who are hungry to just...fight. At any cost, at any payoff.

I really hope this changes. Hearing the numbers of what the gate alone pulls in, there's really no reason the fighters can't be treated well.

[Cromwell]

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can


i'll be pm'ing you:action-sm


Boys - if you can - I'd like in on this too. :icon_wink

[Gotti420]

Boys - if you can - I'd like in on this too. :icon_wink

I would as well (if possible).

[mendozathejew]

this is how it usually goes for me. When I dont order a boxing or ufc ppv with my friends, Im generally able to get a live feed from someone on a boxing forum. he'll usually send me an email, often its last second. Im not expert on this shit, I play them on win amp i guess you can use other programs

my back up is a program you can easily download called tvu. its got an mma channel (among many) and you kinda have to search out the channel, but it works well. a similar program is sopcast, someone on this board told me he likes it better but it fucked up on my computer so I cant say.

if too many people jump on the links it will lag. so have atleast 2 of the options, the quality isnt perfect but its generally pretty good. they are all small harmless programs. send me a pm saturday if you want the win amp link, or if you have trouble getting tvu or sopcast

[kidohio]

hey who was the guy i think it was in K1, he used to play in the nfl then tried mma, and his first fight lasted 40 seconds then was knocked out who was it?

[MattyIceGfunk]

Johnnie Morton?

[Cromwell]

Thanks for the info, mendoza.

I'll try to send you a PM on Saturday close to the starting time.

If all else fails - there is always the almost real time play-by-play on the Sherdog forums. :)

[mendozathejew]

after todays weigh ins dana apparently did an interview, he almost bragged about Franklins salary. He'll be making 28,000 to fight silva, and another 28K if he wins. thats pathetic. Jardine didnt get any bonus for beating liddell, so his prize package comes to a whopping 14,000

he was trying to make the argument- franklin signed a contract (before TUF season 1 and the sports growth, so thats why its so low) and his living up to it, like randy didnt. counterproductive argument imo

[Capt.Caveman]

Johnnie Morton?

yea

[Capt.Caveman]

after todays weigh ins dana apparently did an interview, he almost bragged about Franklins salary. He'll be making 28,000 to fight silva, and another 28K if he wins. thats pathetic. Jardine didnt get any bonus for beating liddell, so his prize package comes to a whopping 14,000

he was trying to make the argument- franklin signed a contract (before TUF season 1 and the sports growth, so thats why its so low) and his living up to it, like randy didnt. counterproductive argument imo

that is craziness. you figure they fight 2 or 3 times a year. so jardine will make 42000 this year without sponsors. he can come and pull cable with me and make double that.

[Cromwell]

There was a very telling interview of Dana by Tom Gerbasi on their own site - where he calls Couture's new agent a "scumbag Hollywood agent".

I'm curious - just how much weath has Dana accumulated?

Mendoza - I'm sending you a PM. :icon_wink

[mendozathejew]

danas a 10 percent owner I think. but its mostly the fertitta brothers that own the ufc. dana is their friend, he talked them into buying the ufc and making this work with him as president.


ive read different accounts, but last year the complete payout for all fight salaries paid last year was 20 million. for everyone that fought. thats a joke, considering what they pull in for ppv buys

I just got an email, without the winamp link, its the other sources. Im gona PM them to cromwell and dascaveman. Im headed uo to my college last minute for homecoming nonsense. I'll check in and see if I got a winamp link up when I get there, if Im not too high or drunkthese work better than winamp anyways, winamp cuts in and out.

when heath herring high leg kicked nog at the end of round 1 I sat in suspense for more than a minute waiting to see if he recovered

[Capt.Caveman]

when heath herring high leg kicked nog at the end of round 1 I sat in suspense for more than a minute waiting to see if he recovered



that must have sucked balls. i would've been pulling my hair out:haha7:

[Gotti420]

ive read different accounts, but last year the complete payout for all fight salaries paid last year was 20 million. for everyone that fought. thats a joke, considering what they pull in for ppv buys

Shit, if you break it down that only comes out to a little over 1 million per event. The fighters really are getting fucked.

[mik3]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

[Gotti420]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

I don't think Vera lost a whole lot in terms of his ranking in the division, but I do think he should drop to 205.

[Capt.Caveman]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

he did break his hand in rd 1

[Cromwell]

It was a decent fight for Sylvia. After he realized that nobody wanted to see him press Vera up against the cage in a smothering match all night - he began to box and strike like someone who knew how.

Give him credit for that.

The big shocker to me (still) is how deceptively powerful Anderson Silva is. His striking is pinpoint accurate and so explosive. Once he tagged Franklin (like he did the first time and everyone else since) its lights out.

A devastating knockout striker.

He's gotta be the best pound-for-pound fighter out there at the moment.

[mendozathejew]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night?

granted I havent seen the fight yet, but Vera only loses a little in the sense that hes talked such a big game for the past couple years. hes been on record regularly saying he is the best 205 and HW fighter, short of fedor. that was up until a few months ago when he became convinced hed beat fedor too.

he still has a tremendous future in mma, and most likely will hold a title at 205 or HW, but when you talk that big a game and lose its gona hurt your image

[mendozathejew]

I just hope we get to see Anderson Silva fight the other top middleweights. franklin is the only elite middleweight hes fought in the ufc. lindland would be very very tough. he gave rampage all he could handle and lost a questionable decision. but silva has very good bjj, thats what would make it so interesting and competitive. filho is also a handful, but hendo wouldnt stick to a gameplan like lindland and would slug it out instead

[Capt.Caveman]

I just hope we get to see Anderson Silva fight the other top middleweights. franklin is the only elite middleweight hes fought in the ufc. lindland would be very very tough. he gave rampage all he could handle and lost a questionable decision. but silva has very good bjj, thats what would make it so interesting and competitive. filho is also a handful, but hendo wouldnt stick to a gameplan like lindland and would slug it out instead

filho i'd def want to see. I think silvas striking would be to much for lindland. hendo would be interesting but his hands are not even close to silvas. he has a big right but silva attacks you from all angles. hemdo's best chance would be hold him down and g&p him all night

[mendozathejew]

filho i'd def want to see. I think silvas striking would be to much for lindland. hendo would be interesting but his hands are not even close to silvas. he has a big right but silva attacks you from all angles. hemdo's best chance would be hold him down and g&p him all night

hendo doesnt follow through on a good gameplan. lindland does. he knows full well he cant stand and fight silva, and he wouldnt. silva would have to fight off his back for much of the fight, which he can do, but lindland would ive him hell. rampage barely escaped with a split decision purely because of his size and brute strength. it would be very tough for silva, but not exciting to watch an olympic medalist smother him all night, so i doubt the fight will be made

[Cromwell]

hendo doesnt follow through on a good gameplan. lindland does. he knows full well he cant stand and fight silva, and he wouldnt. silva would have to fight off his back for much of the fight, which he can do, but lindland would ive him hell. rampage barely escaped with a split decision purely because of his size and brute strength. it would be very tough for silva, but not exciting to watch an olympic medalist smother him all night, so i doubt the fight will be made

At this current stage of his development and skill level - I don't think anyone can stand and strike with Anderson Silva. His damanging power when he connects is more devastating than Lidell.

Yes, I would love to see what a smart tactician like Lindland could do. Especially if he could execute a Randy Couture-like gameplan.

But - Franklin had a "gameplan" too. He tried to "spin" Silva (so as not to get caught with those knees) - guess what - he got caught anyway and it was lights out.

Silva is frighteningly good.

[novalia]

UFC "As real as it gets"

Is it?

I suppose Dana had a gag order on the announcers for the event. Why else wouldn't they have mentioned the hoopla with Randy quitting? It was the most relevant thing to talk about all night especially when you have the top contenders fighting.

It is dishonest how the UFC holds back and controls their announcers. When UFC and Pride were competing they never mentioned Pride while the Pride announcers had no problem speaking of the UFC. Now that they have taken over Pride they mention it all the time.

Dana should stop being so hypocritical and let things be more open.
Give us the facts. Tell us the plans. Its like they're just going to disown Randy and move on. When you get down to it Dana is not so different from his boxing counterparts.

[ratedRsuperstar]

i would love to see arlovsky/lesnar as brock's first ufc match. brock would get pwnd.

as for the last ppv, belcher (first fight and win of the show, had "remix" cut into his hair) trains down here where i live at his gym called, go figure, remix. my sis-in-law trains there and has taken some of his classes, but she usually sticks with muay thai and stays away from the ground stuff

[mik3]

I sorta want to see Brock succeed. Remember, dude was an AMAZING wrestler. Forget about the pro stuff, guy was just straight up a beast on the mat. He was also quite mobile when he was a pro wrestler, that could translate to a good stand up game if he's trained well.

[mendozathejew]

MMAJUNKIE.COM: You’ve spent as much time with the UFC as just about anyone else. What was your reaction when you first heard the news that Randy Couture resigned from the UFC?

KEN SHAMROCK: It didn’t surprise me because of what they did to me. I basically sold my body to them. I mean I fought hurt all the time – and I got paid, of course… (UFC management) seems to think that the UFC is everything and that it doesn’t have to respect anybody. The guys who built this sport are thrown outside – the guys who were there before Dana White got there. Dana’s not a fighter, and he’s not a tough guy, and he walks around talking to people, treating people with disrespect, talks about people’s managers because he doesn’t like them. Randy Couture was an absolute gentleman in the sport. Myself, and Royce Gracie, and other people who developed the sport before Dana White ever got in there, he treats them like dog crap. The fans need to understand that the money that they’re putting into the UFC and spending is going into Dana White’s pocket and the Fertittas’ pocket. They made billions of dollars on this company, and they’re selling souls.

[nitron]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8334
BROCK LESNAR IS THE LATEST HEAVY HITTER IN THE UFC

“I don’t think there are any other pro wrestlers that can make the transition to MMA, except for Brock Lesnar,” said White. “And if you look at his amateur wrestling credentials, his size, and what he’s done, this guy can end up being a force in the heavyweight division of the UFC.”

What does Dana mean? No other pro wrestler could make it in
MMA? Except, coincidentally, Brock, who he happened to sign to a contract?
Dana didn't have to go there.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The UFC owners might want to do the right thing and compensate the very people who make it appealing to the audience, the fighter's.

If they fail to do so it's because they're greedy fucking pigs. There is no UFC without talented happy and well compensated fighters.

[Cromwell]

MMAJUNKIE.COM:

KEN SHAMROCK: Randy Couture was an absolute gentleman in the sport. Myself, and Royce Gracie, and other people who developed the sport before Dana White ever got in there, he treats them like dog crap.


Or, poor, poor Kennie. What - 'roids too expensive these days?

Geez - he made you one of the TUF coaches - you basically ignored your team and spent all your time worrying about yourself. Then they give you a car at the end of the season (even though you lost your match - the only thing up for grabs was the color of the car).

Now you moan about how you are so abused.



The fans need to understand that the money that they’re putting into the UFC and spending is going into Dana White’s pocket and the Fertittas’ pocket. They made billions of dollars on this company, and they’re selling souls.

We know where the money is going. That's business. I get screwed every day in one way or another. Deal with it already.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8334
BROCK LESNAR IS THE LATEST HEAVY HITTER IN THE UFC

“I don’t think there are any other pro wrestlers that can make the transition to MMA, except for Brock Lesnar,” said White. “And if you look at his amateur wrestling credentials, his size, and what he’s done, this guy can end up being a force in the heavyweight division of the UFC.”

What does Dana mean? No other pro wrestler could make it in
MMA? Except, coincidentally, Brock, who he happened to sign to a contract?
Dana didn't have to go there.

He's "carnival barking" his latest project.

I doubt he's forgotten about the other decorated collegiate wrestlers who've made the transition. Matt Hughes, Chuck Lidell, Tito, Matt Hamil - just to name a few. :icon_cool

[burky79]

http://mm.ticketmaster.com/tmbrowseimages/zuffa%20llc/email//SCREAM2007_01.JPG

just got all that in my email a minute ago...

working at my buddies new condo right now... only got wifi... no tv, so if someone catches it... please post what it is.

thx!

[mik3]

It's Liddell/Wandy for 79.

[mik3]

And Serra/Hughes is the 79 main event.

[mendozathejew]

Or, poor, poor Kennie. What - 'roids too expensive these days?

Geez - he made you one of the TUF coaches - you basically ignored your team and spent all your time worrying about yourself. Then they give you a car at the end of the season (even though you lost your match - the only thing up for grabs was the color of the car).


dana white has essentially black balled any current or former UFC fighters that coach for IFL, regardless of the fact its a good way to get young fighters from their camps or others into an mma spotlight. dana white cares about the ufc, not mma. and in a sport that will inevitably become splintered with talent among the various promotions, that will be a very bad thing

[Cromwell]

It's Liddell/Wandy for 79.

Good fight.


And Serra/Hughes is the 79 main event.


Good fight.

Looking very much forward to both.

I wish UFC 78 had some of these kinds of big name fights on the card - but I've already got my ticket - and they are bringing it locally - so I'll surely enjoy seeing Joe Lauzon fight - and the Bisbing-Rashad match.


dana white has essentially black balled any current or former UFC fighters that coach for IFL, regardless of the fact its a good way to get young fighters from their camps or others into an mma spotlight. dana white cares about the ufc, not mma. and in a sport that will inevitably become splintered with talent among the various promotions, that will be a very bad thing


Well, I can't argue with you there. Hey - I watch the IFL.

So - Dana "controls" what he can control. It must really chap him to see the same referrees that does his matches - doing those as well. Hey - that's out of Dana's control.

Show me a businessman who doesn't exercise his control (if he can)?

[mendozathejew]

fedor interviewed by nbc
http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=170823


mmaweekly article on fedor and m1. excerpts

“We’re going to do shows in Europe, Asia, and the U.S. We’re truly going to be global,” he stated. “We’re going to have fighters from all different countries and Fedor is the perfect ambassador. He’s more famous right now in Russia and Japan than the U.S., but he could be MMA’s first true world superstar.”


Cox indicated that M-1 Global has already stirred up quite a bit of interest from networks interested in doing a television deal including Home Box Office (HBO), which recently announced it had called off negotiations with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

“We have meetings set up with HBO, Showtime and (Mark Cuban’s) HDNet,” he said. “Everyone has made it clear that they are interested. We need to pick the partner that gives us the most exposure.”

“We’re not going to reserve our fighters to work just for us,” said Cox. “If the UFC gets Randy back and they call and want Fedor to fight, we’ll send him to the UFC.

Maxwell backed that up saying, “In Fedor’s contract with M-1 Global, we have a clause to offer the UFC champion $1,000,000 over and above what the UFC would offer their champion to fight Fedor, and $1,000,000 to the winner of that fight over the general purse for that fight.”

“You’re taking a snapshot of the stranglehold the UFC has on the talent. We are thrilled that we have the ability to present to the public the No. 1 fighter in the world, because I think everybody wants to be able to offer their audience the best in the world. We have that. It’s a pretty good place to start,” he stated.

“I also think that there are a lot of UFC fighters when their contract expires, who will be looking to sign with other organizations that treat them in a different manner. They will want to sign with our organization because of the tremendous respect that they hold for Fedor as a fighter and an individual.”

[Standby]

granted I havent seen the fight yet, but Vera only loses a little in the sense that hes talked such a big game for the past couple years. hes been on record regularly saying he is the best 205 and HW fighter, short of fedor. that was up until a few months ago when he became convinced hed beat fedor too.

he still has a tremendous future in mma, and most likely will hold a title at 205 or HW, but when you talk that big a game and lose its gona hurt your image

I don't know, maybe this is because Vera's my boy (I train at Team Lloyd Irvin as well, and Master Lloyd was in Vera's corner for the fight), but everything I hear points away from him being a huge ego who thinks he's better than he is.

There's one thing to talk up a fight, and there's another to believe your own hype. Maybe because he represents my school I want to see a better side of him.

That being said, my take on the fight is probably a little slighted. I feel that Sylvia leaned on him for about 90% of the fight. First two rounds, he didn't want to break it and strike with Vera. Somewhere in round 2, you could tell something was off with the broken hand, and Sylvia smelled blood, and knew he could throw and all Vera would do was protect his face.

You'll notice in the later part of the fight, any left Vera threw was an elbow, which will be doomed to fail with Sylvia's insane reach.

Eh, it sucks. I was watching it with my instructors and a bunch of other fighters/guys I train with. Kind of just knocked the wind out of all of us, like a Scott Smith liver punch.

"Anderson Silva... is a fucking monster."

Gotta agree with THAT when Dana said it during the preview.

[filthgrinder]

That being said, my take on the fight is probably a little slighted. I feel that Sylvia leaned on him for about 90% of the fight. First two rounds, he didn't want to break it and strike with Vera. Somewhere in round 2, you could tell something was off with the broken hand, and Sylvia smelled blood, and knew he could throw and all Vera would do was protect his face.

You'll notice in the later part of the fight, any left Vera threw was an elbow, which will be doomed to fail with Sylvia's insane reach.
[/QUOTE]

How come when Randy pressed Gonzaga up against the cage, it's was a masterfully executed game plan, but when Tim did it, it was him just leaning on Vera the whole fight? Tim took control and really did neutralize Vera's offense. Vera didn't really have an answer to being man handled up against the cage. He had one nice take down, but he just went into side control and couldn't work anything from the position. Between rounds you can even hear Vera's corner telling him to make space by using a front kick, which Vera never did. He even admitted after the fight that he didn't execute his game plan.

I'm sure the broken hand was a large part of the problem, but I didn't a whole lot of greatness by Vera, apart from a couple of flurries.

[novalia]

How come when Randy pressed Gonzaga up against the cage, it's was a masterfully executed game plan, but when Tim did it, it was him just leaning on Vera the whole fight?

because when randy does it he actually tries to punch his opponent.. and he doesnt make claims that he is going to be more exciting to watch and then lean on his opponent..

sylvia fights every fight scared.

[Cromwell]

fedor interviewed by nbc
http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=170823


mmaweekly article on fedor and m1. excerpts

Cox indicated that M-1 Global has already stirred up quite a bit of interest from networks interested in doing a television deal including Home Box Office (HBO), which recently announced it had called off negotiations with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.


Its all about the terms of the deal. Good luck to them. The more MMA on my HD TV - the better.



“We’re not going to reserve our fighters to work just for us,” said Cox. “If the UFC gets Randy back and they call and want Fedor to fight, we’ll send him to the UFC.


Excellent! To quote Big John - "Lets get it on!"




I don't know, maybe this is because Vera's my boy (I train at Team Lloyd Irvin as well, and Master Lloyd was in Vera's corner for the fight), I was watching it with my instructors and a bunch of other fighters/guys I train with.


Bragger :rolleyes::action-sm




"Anderson Silva... is a fucking monster."

Gotta agree with THAT when Dana said it during the preview.

He actually not a monster. What he is, is a pinpoint striker with incredible power behind it. He credits Bruce Lee as an inspriation and role model - and you can see the Lee influence in the way he fights.





Tim took control and really did neutralize Vera's offense. Vera didn't really have an answer to being man handled up against the cage. He had one nice take down, but he just went into side control and couldn't work anything from the position. Between rounds you can even hear Vera's corner telling him to make space by using a front kick, which Vera never did. He even admitted after the fight that he didn't execute his game plan.

I'm sure the broken hand was a large part of the problem, but I didn't a whole lot of greatness by Vera, apart from a couple of flurries.

I'm surprised Vera didn't try one of his patented submission attempts. Like the "swick-o-tine" he does.

I guess the broken hand prevented that?

[Capt.Caveman]

i think they'll bring lesner along slow, build him up a lil

[mendozathejew]

"all these internet goofs talkin about Fedor.... FEDOR SUCKS... Fedor isn't even top 5 at heavyweight" - dana white

welcome to the wacky world of the fightgame fellas. the honeymoon for mma is over. this is the EXACT same shit that made boxing look like a dishonest business

add in the fact that the winner of silva liddell gets a title shot. both are coming off double losses

[Gotti420]

add in the fact that the winner of silva liddell gets a title shot. both are coming off double losses

Really? I hadn't heard that

[TheTruth]

add in the fact that the winner of silva liddell gets a title shot. both are coming off double losses

But Silva's losses were in PRIDE, so ya could say he is starting with a clean slate comin into UFC. And a Liddell vs. Rampage rematch for the title woudl be a huge draw. Regardless of their last 2 fights for guys who have been around as long as these 2 I think you have to look at their whole body of work through out their careers. So ya can't really blame them for setting it up that way.

[nitron]

"all these internet goofs talkin about Fedor.... FEDOR SUCKS... Fedor isn't even top 5 at heavyweight" - dana white



so Dana concluded this before or after Fedor signed with M-1 instead of UFC? :rolleyes:

[Gotti420]

But Silva's losses were in PRIDE, so ya could say he is starting with a clean slate comin into UFC. And a Liddell vs. Rampage rematch for the title woudl be a huge draw. Regardless of their last 2 fights for guys who have been around as long as these 2 I think you have to look at their whole body of work through out their careers. So ya can't really blame them for setting it up that way.

Also, one of Silva's losses was to a heavyweight, so I don't think it should count against his standing in the LHW division

[mendozathejew]

Also, one of Silva's losses was to a heavyweight, so I don't think it should count against his standing in the LHW division

shit his losses were to a heavyweight and a middlweight

liddell was supposed to wrack up atleast 2 wins before getting another shot. and that was before the second loss. but he gets the dana white friend/posterboy treatment

[Capt.Caveman]

shit his losses were to a heavyweight and a middlweight

liddell was supposed to wrack up atleast 2 wins before getting another shot. and that was before the second loss. but he gets the dana white friend/posterboy treatment

griffin, jardine, alexander and evans should be the next in line. if rampage gets the 1st 3 to the ground they are in big trouble. evans might have a chance with his wrestling ability but rampages power may be to much for him

[Suicidebree]

Video with Rance in it on BJPenn.com.

http://www.bjpenn.com/learn/tvstation.php?article_id=782

[mendozathejew]

Dennis Kang got knocked out badly in k1 by Akiyama

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[still_smoking]

Also, one of Silva's losses was to a heavyweight, so I don't think it should count against his standing in the LHW division

shit his losses were to a heavyweight and a middlweight

liddell was supposed to wrack up atleast 2 wins before getting another shot. and that was before the second loss. but he gets the dana white friend/posterboy treatment

but mirko is a small heavyweight who cuold cut to a light heavyweight, and henderson is a big middleweight that just doesn't have to cut to stay a light heavyweight. UFC should scrap the heavyweights, and make lightheavy weight limit be 215 lbs. or 220 lbs. and then anything over 220 lbs. or so should be a new heavyweight or superheavyweight division.

alot of the lightheavy weights now could make a 215-220 lb. division and make alot more interesting match ups.

chuck - mirko - randy(if he comes back) - nog - rampage - vandy - tito - etc.

and the big boys could be anyone over the 215 or 220 lbs.

just an idea for better match ups coming

[Capt.Caveman]

Dennis Kang got knocked out badly in k1 by Akiyama



WOW!!!!!! Kang was on a hot streak. I didn't see the fight it looks like he just got caught.

[mendozathejew]

WOW!!!!!! Kang was on a hot streak. I didn't see the fight it looks like he just got caught.

from what I read, Akiyama was taking it to Kang before the uppercut ko

[Cromwell]

UFC Newsletter Alert

Live Press Conference on UFC.com

Dana White & Lorenzo Fertitta to address recent statements made by Randy Couture

Today at 4pm ET / 1pm PT

Streamed Live on UFC.com

[burky79]

UFC Newsletter Alert

Live Press Conference on UFC.com

Dana White & Lorenzo Fertitta to address recent statements made by Randy Couture

Today at 4pm ET / 1pm PT

Streamed Live on UFC.com
^^^^
heres the graphic...
http://mm.ticketmaster.com/tmbrowseimages/zuffa%20llc/email//PRESSCONFERENCE_EMAIL_V3.JPG (http://www.ufc.com)

[Suicidebree]

Official full fight card for UFc 78:
Main event:

205 lbs.: Rashad Evans (10-0-1) vs. Michael Bisping (14-0)

Main card (televised):

205 lbs.: Houston Alexander (8-1) vs. Thiago Silva (11-0)
185 lbs.: Dave Terrell (6-2) vs. Ed Herman (13-5)
170 lbs.: Karo Parisyan (17-4) vs. Ryo Chonan (14-7)
155 lbs.: Frank Edgar (7-0) vs. Spencer Fisher (20-3)

Under card (may not be broadcast):

170 lbs.: Thiago Alves (12-3) vs. Chris Lytle (24-14-5)
155 lbs.: Joe Lauzon (15-3) vs. Jason Reinhardt (18-0)
155 lbs.: Marcus Aurelio (14-5) vs. Luke Caudillo (12-8)
170 lbs.: Tamdan McCrory (8-0) vs. Akihiro Gono (27-12-1)

[Standby]

Wow, you can tell in those pictures, Kang even kept his chin in as much as he could. Akiyama just trapped him in a corner and rocked him. I'd like to see that fight, actually.

Ugh, I'm glad I'm holding off on the NJ UFC until next one. UFC 78: Ultimate Fight Night just looks... blah.

[Gotti420]

Ugh, I'm glad I'm holding off on the NJ UFC until next one. UFC 78: Ultimate Fight Night just looks... blah.

I agree the main event sucks, but the rest of the main card looks good.

[MattyIceGfunk]

I think the main event is great but would be even better if the Matt Hamill was taking on Rashad Evans since he got that Bisping fight stolen from him.

[mik3]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w55/kobayashi93/BrockLesnar3.gif

[mendozathejew]

dana white today

"Fedor [Emelianenko] is a farce," says Dana White.......Dana said he feels Fedor is not even a top five Heavyweight and never has.

way to go dana. you never disappoint with your self centered lack of class and honesty. how anyone has the nerve to defend this guy is beyond me

[nitron]

and he tried to sign him.:icon_roll

[mik3]

hah, who's a top 5 heavyweight, Tim Sylvia? Hell, Aleksander would destroy most of the HWs in UFC right now, forget Fedor.

[mendozathejew]

and he tried to sign him.:icon_roll

and dana calls Nog a #1 contender. the guy Fedor beat 2 times. 2 and a half times if you want to be specific.

if you want to call him overrated, fine. its wrong based on in ring results but fine. knock him for inactivity, thats legit. but to go this far is really a bad sign for things to come. it adds the dishonesty that many characterize boxing for, and it really sets the stage for serious problems in the sport when other promotions inevitably get bigger with top talent

[Capt.Caveman]

I would love to see fedor vs arlovski

[Suicidebree]

I think the main event is great but would be even better if the Matt Hamill was taking on Rashad Evans since he got that Bisping fight stolen from him.
Hamill is out till early next year with a knee injury which hehas usrgery on a few days after the Bisping fight. Its why his style changed during the fight, he got hurt.

[jules]

dana white today

"Fedor [Emelianenko] is a farce," says Dana White.......Dana said he feels Fedor is not even a top five Heavyweight and never has.

way to go dana. you never disappoint with your self centered lack of class and honesty. how anyone has the nerve to defend this guy is beyond me

WTF?????
come on how can anyone with a fucking half of a brain say something that arrogant and ignorant? i hate liars, and that is what this guy is.because fedor wouldnt fight under whites flag, he goes and says this horseshit?
what a real asshole fraud this guy(white) turned out to be.

[burky79]

WTF?????
come on how can anyone with a fucking half of a brain say something that arrogant and ignorant? i hate liars, and that is what this guy is.because fedor wouldnt fight under whites flag, he goes and says this horseshit?
what a real asshole fraud this guy(white) turned out to be.
if it wasnt for the amount of $ he can throw at fighters, i would say ...
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ART/ART260/BUM004.jpg

but he has the money to change indecision and take knives outta backs.

[mendozathejew]

if it wasnt for the amount of $ he can throw at fighters, i would say ...
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ART/ART260/BUM004.jpg

but he has the money to change indecision and take knives outta backs.

yes but he wont be the ony one who can do that in the long run. or even in the near future. and thats where the problem kicks in. dana white already talks about the ufc in the context of "I." I have this fighter. I have this card. I control this person, I bitch slapped this agent etc etc. he cares more about his business, his ego, and the ufc than mma. thats a problem when he isnt the only game in town, the only person who can throw alot of money at elite fighters. without federal regulation, thats how the fight game will always be.

if some dont have a problem with that, thats fine. just realize that is going to make mma the dishonest business, the illogical splintered business where promotions cant get along and make the best fights, where egos outside the ring end up more important than results in the ring. mma will be right there with boxing on the credibility scale.

[burky79]

just realize that is going to make mma the dishonest business, the illogical splintered business where promotions cant get along and make the best fights, where egos outside the ring end up more important than results in the ring. mma will be right there with boxing on the credibility scale.

QFMFT!!!

egg-fucking-zacktlee.


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[MattyIceGfunk]

Hamill is out till early next year with a knee injury which hehas usrgery on a few days after the Bisping fight. Its why his style changed during the fight, he got hurt.

Yea but he still won that fight and the only reason Bisping is fighting Evans is because he "won" the fight against Hamill. God do I love boxing so much better.

[Suicidebree]

Yea but he still won that fight and the only reason Bisping is fighting Evans is because he "won" the fight against Hamill. God do I love boxing so much better.

Dana said that the rematch with hamaill should have been right away if he wasnt hurt. bisping said the same thing.

[mik3]

Din Thomas is facing a felony charge for running cage fights out of his gym.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Din Thomas is facing a felony charge for running cage fights out of his gym.

At least he wasn't fighting dogs.

[Cromwell]

Couture saga brings owner out of shadows

By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports

It took the company being called out in public over money issues by one of its most popular fighters to bring Lorenzo Fertitta, the co-owner of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, to a press conference Tuesday.

There, instead of evading financial and contract questions as is usually company policy, money was almost all that was talked about. Specifically, UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture’s money.

Both Fertitta and company president Dana White said they were stunned it has come to this.

"I don't know how we got here," White said. "I don't know what I did wrong. I just can't believe it."

The two met with Couture about a month ago, when Couture said he expressed unhappiness over not getting a bonus for his August match against Gabriel Gonzaga.

But, after Couture quit the company, then showed his individual, unsigned bout agreements in a press conference last week, they felt the champion misrepresented what he really earned.

According to documents displayed and referenced in Las Vegas on Tuesday, Couture is on line to earn approximately $3 million from the UFC in 2007. This is broken down into a $500,000 bonus, which is the subject of current semantic dispute; $250,000 guaranteed for each of his two fights this year; $936,000 in a pay-per-view bonus for the March 3 fight with Tim Sylvia where he won the heavyweight title; $787,000 in a pay-per-view bonus for the August 25 fight with Gonzaga; $35,000 in a best fight bonus for the Gonzaga fight; and $200,000 in another contract he had with the company which would cover television appearances, announcing and other promotional work.

(Editor's note: Yahoo! Sports reported Couture is slated to earn between $13 million and $15 million, including potential bonuses, over the course of his deal. Yahoo! Sports did not make any claim about the specific amount of money Couture would receive for any one individual fight.)

Technically he will only receive $160,000 of that $200,000 because the contract had several months left and they took the resignation letter as meaning he was asking out of that contract.

The existence of that second contract was really the only major new detail given in the press conference, which also included chief financial officer John Mulkey.

UFC honchos said the Couture vs. Sylvia fight did 534,000 buys and the Couture vs. Gonzaga fight at this point has been confirmed as having sold 485,000 orders. The nature of the pay-per-view business is that on a big fight, the money doesn't come in all at once, and final numbers can rise anywhere from five to 15% when the rest of the money slowly comes in.

They said they were expecting to receive the first major payment for the Gonzaga fight in the next week or so, and Couture would get his $787,000 check within 10 days of the company receipt of payment.

Most of this information was already revealed by Couture on Thursday, although not in quite as much detail. UFC claimed Couture violated a nondisclosure clause by showing the press his bout agreements. Couture complained about not getting a signing bonus, and claimed he got a $500,000 bonus for the Sylvia fight in an envelope from Dana White after the show, above-and-beyond what was in his contract. He was also unhappy about not getting a similar bonus for the Gonzaga fight.

White and Fertitta, the Station Casinos magnate who co-owns UFC with brother Frank Fertitta III, claimed the $500,000 payment was an agreed-upon signing bonus, saying they couldn't understand Couture saying he was refused a signing bonus. They noted they paid him $250,000 of it when he signed on January 12, which Couture cashed on January 30. The other $250,000 they said they agreed to pay him after he finished his first fight, just in case he suffered an injury in training and was never able to fight.

Fertitta indicated they weren't planning on taking legal action for violation of the confidentiality clause, but both he and White indicated a legal fight was expected if Couture intends on fighting in another organization. They said they had no idea what Couture's future fight plans were, but that they still consider him their heavyweight champion and hope he'll reconsider and defend the championship.

White said they were going to try to sign Couture to a title defense against someone, with White mentioning Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira by name as the probable opponent, for a match in early 2008. He refused to discuss what would happen to the championship if the dispute wasn't resolved.

They refused to get into specifics about the nature of whether the contract had a clause that would freeze the document’s 18-month duration in the event Couture refused to fight. Such a clause, believed to be standard in many UFC contracts but never confirmed to exist in this one, would extend the period Couture couldn't fight elsewhere.

White defended the company's policy of not releasing all pay information, such as many of the post-show bonuses, or the pay-per-view bonuses that a few top fighters have in their contracts, saying the fighters themselves don't want it out what they are really making.

Fertitta, making his first press appearance since a Japanese press conference when the company purchased the Pride Fighting Championships in the spring, said he was there to refute what Couture said this past Thursday.

"He called me the day before," said Fertitta. "We had a good conversation. . . I was surprised that the facts (at his press conference) were grossly inaccurate. We don't want to do this."

"We're the only promoters who pay fighters more than we are contracted," said White, who said he knew from watching that Couture was mad at him, but said he still couldn't figure out why.

White said Couture may have mentioned wanting them to get back to him on some points in two weeks during a breakfast meeting the three had in late September. White said that on the hectic schedule he was on, two weeks sometimes goes by like two hours.

The UFC president claimed when he, Couture and Fertitta had their meeting, he thought most of it wasn't even about fighting, as Couture was complaining about what he was paid for his appearance on the Spike TV show "Pros vs. Joes." Both White and Fertitta said Couture did mention that the only person he wanted to fight at this stage of the game was Fedor Emelianenko, the former Pride heavyweight champion, who signed with the upstart Mix-1 Fight promotion this month. But Fertitta said when the meeting was over, he didn't think Couture was going to retire, as he expressed he was in great shape.

White said that no matter what the contract stated, there was no way he wasn't going to pay Couture more money than Fedor Emelianenko if that fight had ever happened. The fight fell apart when Emelianenko signed with the new M-1 promotion, and Couture faxed in a letter of resignation the next day.

"I wasn't going to pay Fedor more than Randy Couture," said White, who noted Couture complained to them about how much they were offering the Russian, who hasn't lost since 2000 and is ranked in most polls as the top heavyweight in the world. In the most recent Yahoo! Sports poll, Emelianenko was ranked No. 1 pound-for-pound in the world.

"I don't think Fedor is one of the top five heavyweights in the world," said White. "Randy Couture is No. 1. I always felt Randy Couture would beat Fedor."

Dave Meltzer covers mixed martial arts for Yahoo! Sports. Meltzer, who has published the pro wrestling trade industry publication the Wrestling Observer Newsletter since 1982, began covering MMA with UFC 1 in 1993. He is a graduate of San Jose State University, and has written for the Oakland Tribune, Los Angeles Times, and The National.

[Capt.Caveman]

LESNER VS ARLOVSKI IN FEB!?!?!?!?!

Just rumors for now but It's on sher dog

[mendozathejew]

LESNER VS ARLOVSKI IN FEB!?!?!?!?!

Just rumors for now but It's on sher dog

that would be interesting. I want to see of Lesnar is like Bill Sapp in that regardless of size, some people just dont have a good chin. and Sapp is one of them. I dont expect it but it wouldnt surprise me if Lesnar is the same way.

[Cromwell]

TRAVIS LUTTER: "I REALLY THINK I CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA!"

UFC middleweight Travis Lutter talks about his recovery from the neck injury he suffered, his future plans and much more. "If they gave me a rematch with Anderson, I'd beat him," stated a confident Lutter and you don't want to miss what else he had to say about Silva's win over Rich Franklin and why he thinks Anderson would be concerned in a rematch with him. Check it out.



http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1245.html

[Suicidebree]

Here is a video interview with Rance with some awkward silences:
http://www.bjpenn.com/learn/index.php?article_id=705&parent_id=503

[mendozathejew]

Sean Sherk (Pictures) will not be stripped of his UFC lightweight title, UFC President Dana White told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. But while Sherk sits on the sidelines, B.J. Penn (Pictures) and Joe Stevenson will fight for an interim lightweight crown in January in Newcastle, England.

After his July 7 title defense against Hermes Franca (Pictures) in Sacramento, Calif., Sherk tested positive for having nandrolone metabolites in his system. The California State Athletic Commission suspended him a year and fined him $2,500.

Sherk denied using steroids and told Sherdog.com he has spent nearly $20,000 in legal fees to clear his name. His long-awaited hearing was postponed on Wednesday to Nov. 13 after the CSAC said the entire commission had not been able to review a pre-hearing brief.

Yahoo! Sports reported that White would not take Sherk's title because he is fed up with how the CSAC has handled the champion's case.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9768



what a joke. its slowly becoming a crooked sport

[mik3]

Is he suspended for a year from when the hearing finally happens, or from July?

[Gotti420]

Is he suspended for a year from when the hearing finally happens, or from July?

if the CSAC decides to suspend him for the whole year I'm pretty sure it would run from july

[mendozathejew]

if the CSAC decides to suspend him for the whole year I'm pretty sure it would run from july

well i doubt its gona be even the year. for some reason they reduced Baroni's suspension to half a year, and he tested positive for 2 steroids. and yeah its retro active so they barely will miss any time

[Capt.Caveman]

Sean Sherk (Pictures) will not be stripped of his UFC lightweight title, UFC President Dana White told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. But while Sherk sits on the sidelines, B.J. Penn (Pictures) and Joe Stevenson will fight for an interim lightweight crown in January in Newcastle, England.



penn vs stevenson will be a good fight. and when sherk comes back he gets the re match. lightweight div is the most competitive and exciting in the ufc imo

[Gotti420]

David Terrell is out of UFC 78

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8515

I was really looking forward to seeing him return. He had a great opportunity to climb the ranks in a thin middleweight division, but he just can't seem to shake these injuries.

On a positive note, maybe Rance will get a spot on the main card now.

[novalia]

Here is a video interview with Rance with some awkward silences:
http://www.bjpenn.com/learn/index.php?article_id=705&parent_id=503

oooo that was a little painful in a humorous way.. the interviewer was not the most experienced =)

poor joe the guy starts asking him if he's playing any video games.. huh wha?

insightful nonetheless.

[Ballbuster1]

I don't normally post in these threads as I don't watch UFC bouts,
but I had dinner with Alex Karalexis in Vegas last week and we
had a great conversation about his career. I definitely learned a
bit about the life these guys lead. Very interesting.
Here's a pic of Alex with the wife and I.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2380/1881996958_44f2a2a2f3.jpg

[mendozathejew]

I had dinner with Alex Karalexis in Vegas last week and we
had a great conversation about his career.

very cool. how do you know him?

[Cromwell]

Nice pic, BB.

Did you just happen to meet him by chance? Or (as mendoza asks) do you actually know him?

[Suicidebree]

Brock Lesnar is set to fight Frank Mir officially. Lesnar better be good cause Frank Mir is tough as hell.

[Ballbuster1]

very cool. how do you know him?

Nice pic, BB.

Did you just happen to meet him by chance? Or (as mendoza asks) do you actually know him?
He knows friends that we went to Vegas with and they invited him to
have dinner with us since he lives there. Very cool guy.

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx


UFC 80

penn vs stevenson for lwt title
werdum vs gonzaga
davis vs laudin
grove vs rivera
stout vs eckland
hardonk vs robinson
taylor vs kelly


UFC 81

Lesner vs mir
sylvia vs nogeria for the hwt title
griffin vs tibau


nogeria (while i think he is a great fighter) hasn't earned the title shot yet. 1 more win and i'd give it to him. he should have to fight kongo or arlovski to see who will fight sylvia. personally i think nogeria can beat sylvia but he's had 1 fight in the ufc and he almost got ko'd.

[Cromwell]

He knows friends that we went to Vegas with and they invited him to
have dinner with us since he lives there. Very cool guy.

Nice.

Lets get him in to wrestle Master Po :icon_mrgr

Here's a story being featured on Yahoo at the moment:

Raising kids harder than KOing foes for Alexander

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

Houston Alexander chuckles and begs you not to make him out to be Superman.

After carefully examining the facts, though, you arrive at the inescapable conclusion that Superman is the perfect nickname for the fast-rising UFC light heavyweight contender.

And no, it's not because of his two knockout victories in his first two UFC fights, which took a combined one minute and 49 seconds, though his victims, Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara, may be buying into the Superman hype a bit at this point.

And neither is it because of his ability to bench press as much as 450 pounds, or more than twice his body weight, because being a star weight lifter is no guarantee of success as a mixed martial arts fighter.

Alexander, who faces his biggest challenge on Nov. 17 at UFC 78 in Newark, N.J., when he meets Thiago Silva, earns the Superman moniker every day as the single parent of six children.

Taking care of six children between the ages of 5 and 16 is a big enough job for a small squadron of adults. For a guy who has emerged as one of the world's elite light heavyweights, with all the training and business demands that entails, to also be able to cook and clean around the house each day is super hero kind of stuff.

Cooking, cleaning and beating people up makes for a full day.

Admittedly, though, the image of one of mixed martial arts' baddest men pushing a vacuum cleaner and cleaning a toilet is priceless.

"But you tell all those UFC fans, they come to my house and they'll see me pushing that vacuum," he says, laughing. "I'm no different than they are. I have to clean the house, too."

He's already begun to clean house at 205 pounds, one of the UFC's deepest divisions. Alexander made his UFC debut in May, when he took a bout against Jardine on short notice.

At the time, it looked like Jardine was moving inexorably toward a title shot and there was a lot of backlash about the UFC selecting a guy precious few had heard of as his opponent.

Looking back, the hubbub seems ridiculous, but Alexander said he understood the concern.

"They didn't know me," Alexander said of the UFC's fan base. "Keith fought on TV (on the UFC's reality series, The Ultimate Fighter, on Spike TV) and he was well known. There was a way of doing things, where if you beat this guy then you fought that guy type of thing.

"But to a lot of the people, I came out of nowhere. I didn't, really, and I never doubted that I would win that fight. But because people didn't know who I was or what I was capable of doing, they sort of doubted me."

Alexander then went out and caught Jardine with a combination that made a sound so loud it resonated like the casino implosions that have occurred up and down the Las Vegas Strip.

It took only 48 seconds and Alexander was the winner.

"You do that and then all of a sudden, things change a lot for you," Alexander said. "The thing that pleased me, I got another fight (in the UFC)."

And though it took longer, this time, Alexander put those extra 13 seconds to good use. He pulverized Sakara at UFC 75 in London, making the battle of strikers essentially a one-man show.

He returns at UFC 78 with a potential 2008 title shot looming if he can get past Silva. And though Silva is 10-0 and was impressive in defeating Tomasz Drwal at UFC 75, he's facing a totally different type of opponent.

He attacks with a ferocity rarely seen in the fight game.

"If this guy is to beat me, he has to be a terror," Alexander said.

He's seen all kinds in his lengthy fighting career, much of which was completed in obscurity in small towns around the Midwest.

Alexander figures he has around 40 wins, though his official record has him at just 8-1. But regardless of whether the missing fights were non-sanctioned or amateur bouts, they were fights just the same and provided Alexander with the experience to be able to take on the likes of world-class fighters such as Jardine and Sakara.

And though his future will in large part ride upon how he performs against Silva, it's not causing him to lose so much as a wink of sleep.

"Pressure is raising six kids by yourself," Alexander said. "That's pressure. As far as fighting, I'm 35. I've got a lot of fights. However you want to categorize those fights I had, there still was someone standing across from me intending to hurt me. You learn from those – or at least you try – and after you've had a few, you don't feel any pressure.

"My pressure comes from wanting to do the right thing for my kids. I want them to have the best life possible. And there is so much work that has to be done. Fighting is just a job. Kids are work, believe me when I tell you that. You want pressure, that's pressure."

[mendozathejew]

showtime e is replaying the frank shamrock vs baroni card from several months back. it also has cung le vs frykland. its on at 10

[Cromwell]

showtime e is replaying the frank shamrock vs baroni card from several months back. it also has cung le vs frykland. its on at 10

Too bad I didn't get to see this. I don't have Showtime.

Hey mendoza - what about tonights EliteXC "Renegade" showing?

Are there any of those links available?

[mendozathejew]

Too bad I didn't get to see this. I don't have Showtime.

Hey mendoza - what about tonights EliteXC "Renegade" showing?

Are there any of those links available?

Nick Diaz has a tough fight with this Noons guy. never seen him fight before but hes supposed to be good. and Kimbo fights as well.

Id try the MMA channel on tvu, if not scroll through the tvu and sopcast channels. I'll send an email now and try to figure out for you. Im headed to MSG for the Cotto Mosely fight in a few though

[novalia]

hmm surprised nobody followed up on the showtime fights.. disappointment all around.. and diaz got cut up pretty bad and they stopped it.. one guy you could see his skull yikes.. and slice's opponent got hit twice and tapped.. i had higher expectations but the fights really let me down.. i couldnt wait to delete that shit from my dvr..

[mik3]

Diaz again showed he's one of the worst sports in MMA. He got caught bad twice, the doctor probably saved him from a real problem.

But, of course, he had to be flipping everyone off on his way out.

[Gotti420]

Diaz was getting his ass kicked, but he said that he was able to fight. I've seen fights with much worse cuts in the UFC and PRIDE, including Diaz's fight with Gomi, that were allowed to continue. Nick probably would have lost anyway unless he was able to submit Noons but it was a shitty way to end a fight.

As far a Diaz being a bad sport, that's how he's always been. Who remembers the story about him getting into a fight with Joe Riggs in the hospital after UFC 57?

[mik3]

He's at a point that, with all that scar tissue, he's close to a stoppage pretty much at any point in his fights.

He telegraphed shooting when he got kneed in the face though. You can tell Noons watched a good amount of tape on Diaz. He didn't even flinch, just kneed him in the face.

[mendozathejew]

for some reason I cant explain, Im a fan of Diaz despite his awful attitude. Ive been trying to figure out what his problem is, because hes physically so inconsistent from fight to fight.

He rarely has the hand speed that he showed against Lawler. he had really fast hands in that fight. he was also physically alot stronger and more muscular. I know he has experimented with being a vegan. I know he smokes weed like champ. Im starting to think theres more there than meets the eye, with whatever he puts into his body.

the one exception is the Gomi fight. and he smoked weed right before it. He had very good hand speed against gomi. But, although getting the submission, he did take a wicked beating. Gomi has that big Mongolian head, the punches dont matter. But they might have done some permanent damage to Diaz.

http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/5260/asddh4.jpg

cause physically, hes looked like absolute shit ever since.

[Capt.Caveman]

Rameau Sokoudjou signed!!!!!!


he's fighting Lyoto Machida in UFC 79. that card looks pretty good

hughes v serra
liddell v silva
desouza v jucao (for bjj fans)
guillard v clementi
and now this one

[Gotti420]

Rameau Sokoudjou signed!!!!!!


he's fighting Lyoto Machida in UFC 79. that card looks pretty good

very cool, that's an interesting match up.

[mik3]

That sorta saved the 79 card.

[Capt.Caveman]

That sorta saved the 79 card.

both hughes v serra liddell v silva are worth the price of admission. say what you want about serra but he beat st pierre from "let's get it on" til st pierre went to sleep. it wasn't a 1 punch fluke. hughes is a beast. it is an interesting fight. silva and liddell both coming off back to back losses should be interesting. it would have been more interesting 2 years ago but i'll take it now.

[Cromwell]

for some reason I cant explain, Im a fan of Diaz despite his awful attitude. I know he has experimented with being a vegan. I know he smokes weed like champ. Im starting to think theres more there than meets the eye, with whatever he puts into his body.

the one exception is the Gomi fight. and he smoked weed right before it.

Interesting thoughts. Are there no drug tests in the other fighting organizations? Does the UFC (I know Nick Diaz is not in it) test for weed?


both hughes v serra liddell v silva are worth the price of admission. say what you want about serra but he beat st pierre from "let's get it on" til st pierre went to sleep. it wasn't a 1 punch fluke. hughes is a beast. it is an interesting fight.


I agree.

Both fights are compelling. There is a lot of backstory to both. The revenge factor for Hughes is huge. He's had to eat a lot of crow for a long time now, because of Serra continually running him down. On fight day, Hughes will probably outweight Serra by 10 pound or more. If it gets to ground and pound (Hughes' bread and butter) Serra is going to take a beating. He will not win a ground battle with Hughes. His only chance is in the standup game.

As for Lidell - if he's put the hard partying aside and is serious about getting his reputation back, this one could be a really good fight.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Would that mean Hughes "allegedly" going back on the juice to get those ten extra pounds?

[Palerider4146]

Would that mean Hughes "allegedly" going back on the juice to get those ten extra pounds?

Although I have not been a big Hughes fan as of late, the fact is the guys cuts weight like a champ, and probably fights more at 190 or so. On the other hand, Serra is inbetween weights, to big for LW, to small for WW. He'll probably be closer to the actual weigh in. Probably 20 pounds lighter than Hughes

[mendozathejew]

Interesting thoughts. Are there no drug tests in the other fighting organizations? Does the UFC (I know Nick Diaz is not in it) test for weed?

As for Lidell - if he's put the hard partying aside and is serious about getting his reputation back, this one could be a really good fight.

Diaz takes the same tests. Im not only talking about weed or other drugs, but diet as well. hes a weird dude,there has to be more there than meets the eye. I cant see any way around it given how his physical attributes vary from performance to performance.

Liddells problem is that he finally faced a couple of people who could actually strike. He was fed wrestler after wrestler, developed this aura of KO invincibility because of it. Hes better than a 1 punch KO loss to rampage and jardine smacking him around pretty easily imo. but its not because of his lifestyle. its so easy for a KO artist, in mma or boxing, to get ahead of themselves like this because it seemed so easy for a while. he would have been better served with some variation of opponents style in that 3 year title run

[Cromwell]

Although I have not been a big Hughes fan as of late, the fact is the guys cuts weight like a champ, and probably fights more at 190 or so. On the other hand, Serra is inbetween weights, to big for LW, to small for WW. He'll probably be closer to the actual weigh in. Probably 20 pounds lighter than Hughes

That's what I'm sayin too. Oh, and Pale - nothing ever showed up in the mail. That's ok - we gotta meet up on Saturday anyway for me to get the ticket to you. I'm psyched for the fights.

You can listen to (or read the transcript) Joe Lauzon talk about his oppoent at this link:
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/ufc/exclusive-ufc-78-interview-joe-13698.aspx

Diaz takes the same tests. Im not only talking about weed or other drugs, but diet as well. hes a weird dude,there has to be more there than meets the eye. I cant see any way around it given how his physical attributes vary from performance to performance.


Fair enough. I guess we'll see how he continues to evolve.

Liddells problem is that he finally faced a couple of people who could actually strike. He was fed wrestler after wrestler, developed this aura of KO invincibility because of it. Hes better than a 1 punch KO loss to rampage and jardine smacking him around pretty easily imo. but its not because of his lifestyle. its so easy for a KO artist, in mma or boxing, to get ahead of themselves like this because it seemed so easy for a while. he would have been better served with some variation of opponents style in that 3 year title run

Well, lets see how he does with Wandy. Its the one everybody's been wanting to see for a while now.

[Palerider4146]

Hey Dave, check the mail when you get home today, I'd be shocked if it wasnt there yet. I put it back in the mail on Sat morning. Very strange. We'll talk to see where to meet up. And any other baggers also, maybe a little Newark prefight festivities!

[Capt.Caveman]

i'm going away so i won't be going to newark. all the guys from my bjj school will be there. oh well i'll get em next time

[Capt.Caveman]

j
i'll prob im you sat afternoon to see if u have any links for those of us who can't make it

[Cromwell]

Hey Dave, check the mail when you get home today, I'd be shocked if it wasnt there yet.


I got it, Dude. No problems.


We'll talk to see where to meet up. And any other baggers also, maybe a little Newark prefight festivities!

Yeah, lets do it.

Also - Joe just blogged that he *did* in fact "fight Karo"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/JoeVsKaro.jpg

Cool. :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

Ok folks, anyone going to the Prudential center for tomorrows UFC, me and cromwell will be at Scully's Publick House for food drinks at 6:30. It's located at 11 Clinton St about one block north from the arena. Please join us!

[mik3]

Strikeforce's event is being streamed on yahoo sports right now.

Overeem is now their LHW champion, yech.

[Cromwell]

Ok folks, anyone going to the Prudential center for tomorrows UFC, me and cromwell will be at Scully's Publick House for food drinks at 6:30. It's located at 11 Clinton St about one block north from the arena. Please join us!

See ya there, Pale :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

if anyone has a link pm me

[Gotti420]

if anyone has a link pm me

I was just going to try the TVU thing again

[Capt.Caveman]

tvu seems to be working.

[Capt.Caveman]

RANCE WINS!!!!!!! RNC 1st Round

[mendozathejew]

Rogan seriously fucked up promoting the fight on espn. he said houston alexander comes into the ring like "hes ****** your mother"

after break espn apologized.


if bisping and evans are the future of the UFC at 205:(

[mendozathejew]

Rogan seriously fucked up promoting the fight on espn. he said houston alexander comes into the ring like "hes ****** your mother"


it was actually, he comes out guns blazing like your ****** his mother. sorry for the mix up

[Gotti420]

Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson is happening

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/11/18/anderson-silva-vs-dan-henderson-set-for-march/

[Cromwell]

Had a great time at UFC 78 last night. Damn what a nice facility "The Rock" (Prudential Center) is.

Rance was amazing.

Will have a bunch of pictures (scattered throughout the site) but this one I took from my seat as Joe was being introduced came out pretty cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/0009fix111707.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/0003fix111707.jpg
The Mickey's chicks were hot (at my "weigh in" :rolleyes:)

Speaking of "weigh ins", Palerider and I (re-enacting my sig pic)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/0006fix111707.jpg

:icon_mrgr

[Suicidebree]

Hate to top your Lauzon pics cromwell but:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117072248.jpg
Wearing my homemade Joe Lauzon shirt since his shirts didnt come in my size.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117071524.jpgFront
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117071524a.jpg
Back
Know they are crappy cell phone pics, but what the hell. Joe and all his friends were wearing really cool shirts. Love to buy one of those somehwere Rance.
Sorry couldnt meet up with you guys but got to Scully's and there was a line outside. Thought it was funny Scott Ferrel was inside broadcasting. Saw Clay Guida walking out of there, one of my favorite fighters.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Hey guys...

One of the guys I train with, Lionel Cortes an MMA fighter out of Souther NJ, was in a very bad motorcycle accident a few days ago. If you're the praying sort the first thing I'd like to ask is that you pray for healing in Lionel as he is pretty badly banged up and has not yet woken up. Secondly, his family could use all the help they can get because as you know medical bills like this rack up really fast. So...if you'd like and/or can please read the below, and you can also check out my myspace and my #2's myspace (my trainer) for more details. If a mod could sticky this somewhere appropriate I'd really appreciate it. I've fought with Lionel for 7 years now and he's a great guy. If nothing else please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.

Lionel Cortes is a man who has always been there for everyone and anyone whether he knew them or not. Lionel is an honorable man who has for nothing helped anyone he could, now he and his (2) beautiful children need help from you!!! He as been in a terrible motorcycle accident and is in critical condtion as of now we are trying to raise money, 1st going to his children to provide the christmas that he promised, and then going directly to him and/or his family to help them get through this terrible time. WE HAVE SET UP A LIONEL CORTES FUND THROUGH PAYPAL {ALL PROCEEDS WILL GO DIRECTLY TO LIONEL AND/OR HIS FAMILY} IF YOU WISH TO DONATE LOG INTO PAYPAL.COM CLICK ON SEND MONEY AND ENTER {KRISTYKISS24@COMCAST.NET} AND THE AMOUNT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DONATE FROM YOUR CREDIT/DEBIT CARD ACCOUNT. YOU CAN ALSO MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE TO THE {LIONEL CORTES FUND} AND MAIL TO AL BUCK ATTN: FUND TO 812 SOUTH MAIN RD. VINELAND NJ 08360 OR DROP OFF A CHECK TO ANY COMMERCE BANK STARTING TUES. ANYTHING WILL HELP NO DONATION IS TO LITTLE ANYTHING WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED THANK-YOU AND GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU AND KEEP LIONEL IN YOUR PRAYERS

[Palerider4146]

Sorry couldnt meet up with you guys but got to Scully's and there was a line outside. Thought it was funny Scott Ferrel was inside broadcasting. Saw Clay Guida walking out of there, one of my favorite fighters.


Shit suicide, I saw you outside of Scully's, didnt realize it was you. I showed up right when Marcus Davis and Clay were leaving. But I remember you with your shirt. Where did you meet up with Rance?

Rance had an after party, but both me and Crom are old fucks now and had to be up early with our kids, but hopefully we can meet up with you another time rance.

[Cromwell]

Hate to top your Lauzon pics cromwell but:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117072248.jpg


Dude - great picture. Where did you get that one?

Still - I don't see you with the "Mickey's chicks" :icon_mrgr

Hey guys...

One of the guys I train with, Lionel Cortes an MMA fighter out of Souther NJ, was in a very bad motorcycle accident a few days ago. If you're the praying sort the first thing I'd like to ask is that you pray for healing in Lionel as he is pretty badly banged up and has not yet woken up.


So sorry to hear that, Joe. He's definitely in my prayers.


Shit suicide, I saw you outside of Scully's, didnt realize it was you. I showed up right when Marcus Davis and Clay were leaving. But I remember you with your shirt. Where did you meet up with Rance?

Rance had an after party, but both me and Crom are old fucks now and had to be up early with our kids, but hopefully we can meet up with you another time rance.


Ha, ha.

Yeah - after the night - I was sooo tired already - I *never* make any after-parties anymore.

Had a great time at the event, though.

[Rance]

Thanks guys. Loved the hoody Suicide... you were the talk of all the guys that came with me. Someone was like "I want a JL hoody like that guys!"

I only made it to like 20 minutes of the after party because they had me do the press conference and other stuff after the fight.

[Suicidebree]

Thanks guys. Loved the hoody Suicide... you were the talk of all the guys that came with me. Someone was like "I want a JL hoody like that guys!"

Thanks Joe, had to show my support some how and your shirt selection only catered to the regular fat guy. Where can I get one of hose shirts you and your friends were wearing? You really have a good following building, think aside from frankie edgar and houston alexander you got the biggest pop. People love that you're a regular guy that can just kick some ass. think Dana put you over with thte internet geek statement. You completely dominated Reinhardt and had that choke in as you were scrambling.
Best quote about you from all the articles written on UFC 78.
By Jesse Holland: "Note to UFC lightweights: Joe Lauzon is coming."
Thanks again for the pic and good luck. Spencer fischer next i hope.

[Suicidebree]

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/?action=view&current=jl.flvVideo of Joe looking pissed that he even had to waste his time fighting Rienhardt. A look I've seen a few times after his fights. Click the box, if anyone knows how to post it better feel free to edit it mods.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Thanks Crom...it's VERY appreciated, we're all hoping that he pulls through...still waiting for him to wake up.....

You can still go to my myspace for details or my trainer in my top (Alfie) and there is a new one up for details:

www.myspace.com/lionelcortesfund

Thanks to everybody

[Cromwell]

Thanks guys.
I only made it to like 20 minutes of the after party because they had me do the press conference and other stuff after the fight.

Hey thanks for checking in, Joe.

Glad to hear I didn't miss much at the afterparty. We were talking to a bunch of guys on fight night - some had your fresh signature on their shirts - and now we know its the weigh-ins the day before that are the best times to meet with you guys.

Though if you've got really good ringside seats - you can get a good picture. Saw Matt Serra really working the crowd. Rampage and Keith Jardine too. BJ stayed in his seat, though :icon_mrgr I didn't see him working the crowd at all.



Thanks Joe, had to show my support some how People love that you're a regular guy that can just kick some ass. think Dana put you over with thte internet geek statement.

I think it was "shy, internet kid".

Hey - we loves the internet :D


Thanks Crom...it's VERY appreciated, we're all hoping that he pulls through...still waiting for him to wake up.....

You can still go to my myspace for details or my trainer in my top (Alfie) and there is a new one up for details:

www.myspace.com/lionelcortesfund

Thanks to everybody

Will defintely check it out, Joe.

[StickyKeyboard]

So how is UFC live? I would think it might be hard to see with the cage. Is it better on TV?

[mik3]

I didn't go on Saturday but from the cage events I've been to it's...if you're really close or far away you watch the screens. If you're at an angle you can see over the cage without being too far then you watch the cage.

[Suicidebree]

I got center section first mezzanine fourth row in presale. They were great tickets and where i will surely sit next time. Also good is lower section up toward te top. The only thing we couldnt make out was the people on the other side of the cage, where the celebrities were. Basically we could identify them all but it was difficult. From here you could definatly understand every punch and mov3 and if you wanted to see up close the screen was eye level.

[mik3]

I had to steal this idea from the wrestling thread.

http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/bnice2meig128401887379557500.jpg

[Captain_Spaulding]

Hate to top your Lauzon pics cromwell but:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117072248.jpg
Wearing my homemade Joe Lauzon shirt since his shirts didnt come in my size.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117071524.jpgFront
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/TotalSkeptic/1117071524a.jpg
Back
Know they are crappy cell phone pics, but what the hell. Joe and all his friends were wearing really cool shirts. Love to buy one of those somehwere Rance.
Sorry couldnt meet up with you guys but got to Scully's and there was a line outside. Thought it was funny Scott Ferrel was inside broadcasting. Saw Clay Guida walking out of there, one of my favorite fighters.

Was Michael J Fox holding the camera? Jesus.

[Palerider4146]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8808

I'll break the news here on the bag. Jeez this sucks, I was really getting amped for Hughes vs Serra. I wonder how Dana is going to handle this.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

That completed sucks. Hope Matt Serra gets himself well enough to fight again.

[mendozathejew]

wow. herniated disks are a tough one to recover from. and theres really no rhyme or reason to it.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Yeah, I know all too well with four in my neck, one middle, and one in the lower back. Shit as simple as carry a bag of groceries can cause a few days in wretched pain.

Hopefully, the injury will be correctable through surgery and find the best doctor to fix him up.

[mendozathejew]

Ive seen my grandmother recover from herniated disks better than well conditioned athletes. its a matter of luck trying to get past it

[mendozathejew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OrDufcwoqg
good for a laugh. Don Frye getting his ass handed to him by some boxing coach in a hotel lobby

[Gotti420]

any word on whether they'll give Hughes someone else to fight? Fitch could be a possibility.

[mik3]

Fitch has his next fight set up already, Gono.

[burky79]

holy crap!

i dont wanna believe it.

that sux... i respect both of em as fighters and dont wanna see either of them get "cant fight" hurt.

[mendozathejew]

Yeah, I know all too well with four in my neck, one middle, and one in the lower back. Shit as simple as carry a bag of groceries can cause a few days in wretched pain.

Hopefully, the injury will be correctable through surgery and find the best doctor to fix him up.

well you know better than I do that there is no quick fix or rehab for a herniated disks. and no matter how well conditioned you are, its likely your back will never be the same. with or without surgery

[mendozathejew]

wanderlei appears to be in his old form. a recent photo from his blog
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2241/cimg1852tr3.jpg

[Gotti420]

Hughes vs. GSP for the intermi title at UFC 79!!

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8811

this along with Wandy vs. Chuck makes for one of the best cards in a while.

[mik3]

Yeah, then I'm guessing the winner of GSP/Hughes faces Serra in March/April. I think that's when GSP was supposed to face the winner of Hughes/Serra.

[mendozathejew]

Yeah, then I'm guessing the winner of GSP/Hughes faces Serra in March/April. I think that's when GSP was supposed to face the winner of Hughes/Serra.

this is for another interim title. then the winner fights serra assuming his back isnt entirely fucked up

there was an interview put on the various mma boards from a fan with Joe Silva. and he basically said that Tito Ortiz has never been the same since he had similar type problems with his back. and Tito's good friend, one of my favorite boxers, Fernando Vargas just has his last fight friday. at 29, hes a shot fighter, and herniated disks is a major reason why in my opinion.

but a guy like Darryl Strawberry (and this is when he was old) bounced back from having a disk removed like it was nothing. maybe lots of coke is the cure

[Cromwell]

Hughes vs. GSP for the intermi title at UFC 79!!

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8811


That is great effin' news.

Big time props to Hughes for accepting this challenge. He's the one with the most to lose here.

Odds are he would have beaten Serra - not so with GSP - who has to be extremely hungry to get the title back.

It should be an amazing battle.



this along with Wandy vs. Chuck makes for one of the best cards in a while.

Truly.

Totally psyched up for this one.

[av8rOC]

Yeah he has more to lose because he actually had a shot against Serra. Glad GSP will get the belt back again!

[Capt.Caveman]

real tough break for matt. i was looking foward to that match. gsp vs hughes fitch gets the winner

[mendozathejew]

real tough break for matt. i was looking foward to that match. gsp vs hughes fitch gets the winner

assuming serra doesnt have to retire, he will still be champ next year and face the winner gsp hughes 3, who will only have the interim title

giving the interim title is a good thing, even though your basically creating two champions, it gives the ufc plenty of time to sort things out while still having an active champion. Id bet they wish they did it sooner at lightweight and sherk tested positive. later they eventually get to market a title unification bout

[Capt.Caveman]

assuming serra doesnt have to retire, he will still be champ next year and face the winner gsp hughes 3, who will only have the interim title

i read that but what does that mean? say gsp wins the loses to fitch or sanchez or something, if serra comes back does he automatically fight the "interim" champ or gsp?

[mik3]

If Serra can't fight in april/may then I doubt he can keep the belt. The main point about "interim title" is your fights are then 5 rounds. It's pretty much just a buffer fight before you can fight the champion 'cause he was doing steroids or hurt his back.

[av8rOC]

It just means whenever Serra is healthy he has an automatic title fight with whoever holds the "interim" belt.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Totally psyched up for this one.
Same here Crom, this is going to be a great card.

I'm hoping Hughes has a better night though.

[mendozathejew]

It just means whenever Serra is healthy he has an automatic title fight with whoever holds the "interim" belt.

Serra is still the welterweight champ, and he will remain so unless he is unable to continue his career.

Hughes or GSP will be interim champ. it means champ for the time being.

They will become THE champ if they beat Serra, or he is unable to step back in the cage. if he doesnt come back, the interim champ just automatically become champ again.

[mendozathejew]

Big time props to Hughes for accepting this challenge. He's the one with the most to lose here.

its a pretty big risk for both. GSP has to fight on pretty short notice, and Matt said this on sherdog

"I know Georges likes taking a couple months [before a fight], structuring workouts, and so I'm hoping to catch him a little off-guard," he said. "And I'll be fighting him in Las Vegas, not up in Canada."

[mendozathejew]

Serra has TWO herniated disks. thats bad. if he comes back at all hes damaged goods I think.

article in spoiler
After all the talk and a reality show that fueled a rivalry, Matt Serra had to drop out of his title defense against Matt Hughes due to a devastating back injury that will keep the Ultimate Fighting Championship titleholder out of action at least through his December fight date.

He spoke exclusively to MMAWeekly.com about the injury and the upcoming bout between Hughes and Georges St-Pierre.

Serra explained how the injury came about during a routine training session, doing nothing differently from his everyday workouts.

“Everything was going great,” he said about training. “It was actually the UFC Countdown show. They were filming me that day. They were here for two days and the first day is when it happened.

“I wanted to work out at (Ray) Longo’s, doing the calisthenics and the pad work and at nighttime I was doing my jiu-jitsu and my wrestling. Everything went great and then they left. I was demonstrating a move. I was showing somebody something from mount and next thing you know, something felt like it clicked. I’ve never been stunned by a stun gun before, but that’s kind of what it felt like I guess.”

After feeling the initial shock from the back injury, Serra explained how painful the injury was and the extent to which it affected him.

“My students had to help me up and I got through the shower pretty painfully. My brother had to get my socks and shoes on and then they took me home. Then, the next day, I went to the hospital, got an MRI. I’ve got two herniated discs in my lower back.”

He tried to wait things out and see if his back felt any better, but eventually had to drop out of the fight with Hughes.

“I gave it a few days,” Serra said. “I didn’t just call up and say it’s off.

“I’ve fought injured before, but to what extent? I can’t even get my socks and shoes on. If I go in there it’s a double-edged sword. It sucks not being able to fight. I’ve never had to do that before. What sucks even worse is that it was with (Matt) Hughes.”

He continued, “Nobody wants to hear anything after the fight. ‘Oh yeah, but I was injured.’ Nobody wants to hear that crap.”

The training camp to prepare for the title bout was entering the final stages before the Dec. 29 date. Serra feels like he was peaking when the injury occurred.

“What’s really depressing is it was going so well, the training,” said Serra. “That day of rolling, I go ‘I’ve got another month of doing this? Dude, I’m going to get him.’ So confident, so eager, just looking forward to it.”

While he now has to sit on the sidelines and watch Hughes battle St-Pierre, he also has to deal with the fact that they will be fighting for an interim title in his absence.

“I think that’s probably the only way they take that fight,” Serra stated about the fight between St-Pierre and Hughes being for an interim title. “Dana (White) called me personally and he told me first. I don’t want to get mad at anybody. If they want to do that and do it champion vs. champion and whatever, they want to run with it, that’s cool. Let them do that, I could care less.”

He also responded to comments made by Hughes on Monday that he was now fighting a much tougher opponent in St-Pierre.

“I almost don’t want to say anything because chances are GSP’s going to beat his ass again, like worse than the first time, and I’m fighting GSP and not him,” Serra stated. “I’d rather fight Matt for more than one reason.”

At the current time, he is unsure how long the injury will keep him out of action, although he hopes to start his rehab workouts in the next few weeks, but he does have a simple promise to the fans.

“I’m positive I’ll be back.”
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5146&zoneid=13

[mik3]

Mayhem's WEC debut was one for the millionth time tonight. I still laugh after he pretty much punts Miura in the groin. First he apologizes then just openly starts laughing.

[mendozathejew]

for you chuck fans, clips from some upcoming role in a movie
http://i8.tinypic.com/6ppjq1e.gif


http://i15.tinypic.com/8734xu8.gif

http://i19.tinypic.com/8641qo5.gif

[mik3]

I think that's an older movie, and in the first gif you see the big stiff.

[mendozathejew]

cool I thought it was new. Im surprised I havent seen it on hbo 4 at 3 am

[Cromwell]

I never knew about that movie either. Are you sure its not new?

So - is that the classic "drop the soap in the shower" scene? :icon_mrgr

I want to see Chuck punch that guy out.

As for Serra (and thanks for the article, mendoza)

yeah, that sounds nasty - two herniated discs. Just goes to show what kind of damage you could be doing to your body - without even realizing it.

You gotta figure Hughes is going to have a different game plan vs GSP this time. I doubt he'll want to stand and strike with him.

[Capt.Caveman]

UPCOMING UFC'S


Ultimate Finale

Roger "El Matador" Huerta vs Clay "The Carpenter" Guida

Ben Saunders vs Dan Barrera

Jonathan Goulet vs Paul Georgieff

Jared "J-Rock" Rollins vs John "War machine" Koppenhaver

Richie Hightower vs Troy Mandaloniz

Dorian Price vs Roman Mitichyan


UFC 79

Georges "Rush" St Pierre vs Matt Hughes

Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva vs Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell

Ryoto "Lyoto" Machida vs Rameau Sokoudjou

Melvin "The Young Assassin" Guillard vs Rich "No Love" Clementi

Jordan Radev vs Dean "The Boogeyman" Lister

Tony DeSouza vs Roan "Jucao" Carneiro

Manvel "Pitbull" Gamburyan vs Nate Mohr

Mark Bocek vs Doug Evans

Soa Palelei vs Eddie Sanchez


UFC 80

Joe "Daddy" Stevenson vs BJ "The Prodigy" Penn

Fabricio Werdum vs Gabriel "Napao" Gonzaga

Jess "Joker" Liaudin vs Marcus "The Irish Hand Grenade" Davis

Kendall "Da Spyda" Grove vs Jorge "El Conquistador" Rivera

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout vs Per Eklund

Colin "Big C" Robinson vs Antoni Hardonk

Paul Taylor vs Paul Kelly

Alessio "Legionarius" Sakara vs James Lee

UFN 12

Thiago Tavares vs Michihiro Omigawa

Jeremy Stephens vs Cole Miller

Alberto Crane VS Kurt Pellegrino

Patrick "The Predator" Cote vs Drew McFedries

Nate Diaz VS Alvin "Kid" Robinson

Justin Buchholz VS Matt "Handsome" Wiman

Mike "Quick" Swick VS Josh Burkman

Corey Hill VS Joe Veres

Gray Maynard VS Dennis Siver

UFC 81

Brock Lesnar VS Frank Mir

Tyson Griffin VS Gleison Tibau

Tim "The Maine-iac" Sylvia VS Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira

Nate "The Great" Marquardt VS Thales Leites

Alan "The Talent" Belcher VS Ricardo Almeida

David Heath VS Andre Gusmao

UFC 82

Anderson "The Spider" Silva VS Dan "Hollywood" Henderson

Josh Koscheck VS Dustin Hazelett

John "The Hurricane" Halverson VS Jorge Gurgel

http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[mik3]

Big Nog/Sylvia is going to be a laugh a minute.

[Cromwell]

UPCOMING UFC'S


Ultimate Finale

Ben Saunders vs Dan Barrera


Ah, I see Saunders getting his redemption here.



Jonathan Goulet vs Paul Georgieff


Interesting that they paired a journeyman like Goulet against one of these current TUF guys.


Jared "J-Rock" Rollins vs John "War machine" Koppenhaver


Ha! This should be good. These are the two that fought in the house on this past week's episode.


UFC 79

Georges "Rush" St Pierre vs Matt Hughes

Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva vs Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell


Really looking forward to these two fights.


Manvel "Pitbull" Gamburyan vs Nate Mohr


Ah - Manny is finally back.



UFC 80

Joe "Daddy" Stevenson vs BJ "The Prodigy" Penn


Looking forward to this one as well. This is the title fight, right?


Fabricio Werdum vs Gabriel "Napao" Gonzaga


Should be a good one.


Kendall "Da Spyda" Grove vs Jorge "El Conquistador" Rivera


Always like to see Grove fight.



UFN 12

Jeremy Stephens vs Cole Miller

Patrick "The Predator" Cote vs Drew McFedries

Nate Diaz VS Alvin "Kid" Robinson

Justin Buchholz VS Matt "Handsome" Wiman

Mike "Quick" Swick VS Josh Burkman

Corey Hill VS Joe Veres

Gray Maynard VS Dennis Siver


Some interesting fights there (from the previous TUF cast)


UFC 81

Brock Lesnar VS Frank Mir


Obviously a lot of interest here.


Tim "The Maine-iac" Sylvia VS Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira


The much-maligned Tim Sylvia will have to prove himself again.



UFC 82

Anderson "The Spider" Silva VS Dan "Hollywood" Henderson


Will Henderson be the one to solve The Spider?


Josh Koscheck VS Dustin Hazelett


Not familiar with Hazelett? Isn't this a rather low-profile fight for someone on Koscheck's level?


John "The Hurricane" Halverson VS Jorge Gurgel


Does Gurgel ever win a fight when he's featured?

[Capt.Caveman]

Interesting that they paired a journeyman like Goulet against one of these current TUF guys.




The much-maligned Tim Sylvia will have to prove himself again.




Will Henderson be the one to solve The Spider?



Not familiar with Hazelett? Isn't this a rather low-profile fight for someone on Koscheck's level?



Does Gurgel ever win a fight when he's featured?

Paul Georgieff doesn't seem like he wants to be a full time fighter from his comments. I hope nog snaps his arm or leg so we don't have to watch another sylvia snoozefest. I don't get how your 6'8 and you run away the whole fight. I see silva winning this one but it should be a good fight. silva in the 3rd by sub. hendo's chin is ridiculous. Hazzlett is a tough kid but he's not ready for kos yet. gurgel annoys the shit out of me. I like him as a fighter but he always seems to lose when i pick him and win when i pick against him. it bugs me

[mendozathejew]

Nog turned down a title fight with Nog, so thats why Sylvia Nog is happening. appears Couture made up with Zuffa to some degree, he seems to be most interested in the careers of the guys in his camp and wants time off either way.

or he could be stalling for the next 9 months as his contract runs out, atleast in his eyes it does. Ive got to think Zuffa would make that process a long legal battle

[Gotti420]

Ive got to think Zuffa would make that process a long legal battle

Exactly. And as good as Couture is his, at his age it would be very hard to take 9, or possibly more, months off and then fight Fedor who is still relatively young.

[Capt.Caveman]

Nog turned down a title fight with Nog, so thats why Sylvia Nog is happening.



huh? :icon_eek: nog's gonna kick his own ass is he:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

huh? :icon_eek: nog's gonna kick his own ass is he:action-sm

damnit:arrrh:

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I don't get how your 6'8 and you run away the whole fight.

No shit. :arrrh:

[Capt.Caveman]

BIG JOHN McCARTHY RETIRING!!!!!!!!

http://mmajunkie.com/

by Kevin Iole/Yahoo! Sports
(Reprinted from Yahoo! Sports with permission)

The best known referee in mixed martial arts will step down after Saturday’s UFC card at the Palms Hotel.

“Big” John McCarthy, who has been a referee since UFC 2 in 1994, will work the main event of The Ultimate Fighter finale on Saturday between Roger Huerta and Clay Guida and then announce his retirement.

(MMAjunkie.com first mentioned the rumor yesterday afternoon. For that story and more background information on McCarthy, check out the MMAjunkie.com archives.)

McCarthy, 45, will take a job as an MMA analyst with The Fight Network.

McCarthy, who began training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with Rorion Gracie in 1993, has become more popular with UFC fans than many of the fighters whom he officiates.

McCarthy, who operates an MMA gym in Valencia, Calif., has worked every UFC card since UFC 2 except for UFC 78 last month in Newark, N.J. According to his website, BigJohnMcCarthy.com, he’s officiated more than 500 MMA bouts.

Kevin Iole is the national boxing/MMA writer for Yahoo! Sports. This story originally appeared in the Yahoo! Sports MMA Experts Blog and is syndicated on MMAjunkie.com as part of a content-partnership deal between the two sites.

* * * *

Should former UFC welterweight champion and “The Ultimate Fighter” coach Matt Hughes earn an induction into the UFC Hall of Fame — now, before his upcoming UFC 79 fight with Georges St. Pierre? Kevin Iole makes the case.

[Palerider4146]

Wow Big John pulling out of the UFC. They must have offered him some good money. Does anyone get the Fight Network??? Crom and I actually didnt see any known refs at UFC 78.

So MMA know has its first sanctioned fight fatality. Check out the article.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10203

Hopefully the John McCains wont come out of the woodwork now.

In regards to saturdays fights, I kind of hope that Tommy wins that fight. As much as Hughes has begun to annoy me in recent years, I hope Tommy starts to train full time with him, then he will be some force to reckon with. Imagine him with some good Jits and striking training.

[Cromwell]

BIG JOHN McCARTHY RETIRING!!!!!!!!


“Big” John McCarthy, who has been a referee since UFC 2 in 1994, will work the main event of The Ultimate Fighter finale on Saturday between Roger Huerta and Clay Guida and then announce his retirement.

McCarthy, 45, will take a job as an MMA analyst with The Fight Network.


Good for him. What channel is the The Fight Network on?


Should former UFC welterweight champion and “The Ultimate Fighter” coach Matt Hughes earn an induction into the UFC Hall of Fame — now, before his upcoming UFC 79 fight with Georges St. Pierre? Kevin Iole makes the case.


Either way - he deserves to get in. I'm rooting for Hughes to win the title one more time. Hopefully he has a gameplan for GSP.


Wow Big John pulling out of the UFC. They must have offered him some good money. Does anyone get the Fight Network??? Crom and I actually didnt see any known refs at UFC 78.


No, but we did see young Rance kick some tail :icon_mrgr



So MMA know has its first sanctioned fight fatality. Check out the article.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10203

Hopefully the John McCains wont come out of the woodwork now.


That's sad news. It happens in Boxing too.



In regards to saturdays fights, I kind of hope that Tommy wins that fight. As much as Hughes has begun to annoy me in recent years, I hope Tommy starts to train full time with him, then he will be some force to reckon with. Imagine him with some good Jits and striking training.

You could see the improvement in Tommy's standup from his earlier fights till that last one. Its about time Hughes camp was given a little credit for developing this fighter.

Saturday nights fights should be a fun watch.

[Suicidebree]

Joe Lauzon is offering a bunch of new shirts over on his clothing lines' website. Including the shirt he and his corner were wearing the night of the fight. I wanted the one with the sponsors but 100$ is way to steep for me. Going to pick up the same shirt without the sponsors though today. For anybody who is interested in throwing some money Joe's way, here's the link:

Slaying Angels (http://http://slayingangels.com/internetExplorer.php)

[mendozathejew]

That's sad news. It happens in Boxing too.

mma will be fine. unless this starts happening often. I dont think it will, but you certainly never know. the argument for mma has always been that its actually safer than boxing (and I agree with that) because boxers punch much much harder, but boxing gloves are just the right size to dull that power just enough for most boxers to be able take those punches over and over again.

most of the boxers that die in boxing are at the lighter weights, where they cut a massive portion of their own bodyweight, and despite putting it back on before the fight, the brain is not replenished making swelling on the brain easier. thats what I would watch for and try to prevent in mma.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Joe Lauzon is offering a bunch of new shirts over on his clothing lines' website. Including the shirt he and his corner were wearing the night of the fight. I wanted the one with the sponsors but 100$ is way to steep for me. Going to pick up the same shirt without the sponsors though today. For anybody who is interested in throwing some money Joe's way, here's the link:

Slaying Angels (http://http://slayingangels.com/internetExplorer.php)

Does it come with a free dose of the HIV? :action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

mma will be fine. unless this starts happening often. I dont think it will, but you certainly never know. the argument for mma has always been that its actually safer than boxing (and I agree with that) because boxers punch much much harder, but boxing gloves are just the right size to dull that power just enough for most boxers to be able take those punches over and over again.

most of the boxers that die in boxing are at the lighter weights, where they cut a massive portion of their own bodyweight, and despite putting it back on before the fight, the brain is not replenished making swelling on the brain easier. thats what I would watch for and try to prevent in mma.

I don't know if it's that boxers hit that much harder or if it's the repeated blows to the head. and mma guys cut just as much weight as most boxers do. travis luter would cut from 220 to 185 in a week and a half 3 times a year.

[mendozathejew]

I don't know if it's that boxers hit that much harder or if it's the repeated blows to the head. and mma guys cut just as much weight as most boxers do. travis luter would cut from 220 to 185 in a week and a half 3 times a year.

trust me boxers hit alot harder. punching is what they do, so naturally the best boxers have more power in their hands. especially for their weight, as they have smaller lower bodies more power in their upper bodies. mma fighters need alot of muscle in the legs, chest muscle as well. thats all inefficient weight in boxing. technique also has alot to do with it which isnt comparable by any means.

but the majority of boxers who from punches to the head are below lightweight. it happens alot in asia with these guys fighting at 112 lbs or so. when you cut 20 pounds from 205 to 185, thats one thing. even if you weigh in the 140s and cut that much weight its ok. but when a guy weighs little more than 100 lbs and hes cutting 20 pounds, its a huge portion of his bodyweight and the brain gets extremely depleted from the dehydration. 24 hours between the weigh in and fight isnt enough to replenish it.

the last boxer to die in boxing was a lightweight levander johnson. he took a few frightful beatings. including his last fight and the one before it which he actually won. but he was also 6 feet tall cutting to 135. thats another dangerous extreme. the most dangerous thing in mma in my opinion is the getting pounded out after basically already getting KO'd in the stand up. not only is the fighter taking brutal shots after a concussion, but their head is against the mat so hes basically getting hit on two sides of his head

[av8rOC]

Wow Big John pulling out of the UFC. They must have offered him some good money. Does anyone get the Fight Network??? Crom and I actually didnt see any known refs at UFC 78..

John never worked for the UFC. As with any MMA ref at a sanctioned event they are employees of that particular state's athletic comission. Thats why you see "UFC" refs working other promotions and no reckognizable faces at the Newark PPV.


So anyone have a link to the boxing match tonight? Stuck in a damn hotel in NH with no spike and no sports bars around:arrrh:

[mik3]

I was surprised Tommy tried to go to the ground so quick with Danzig tonight. He got lumped up bad after he got mounted.

[Cromwell]

I was surprised Tommy tried to go to the ground so quick with Danzig tonight. He got lumped up bad after he got mounted.

Mac was just a superior all around fighter - to everyone in the house. He deserved to win. He's going to be a terror at 155.

Great fight from Clay Guida and Roger Huerta.

So - the "big announcement" is Forrest Griffin will be one of the coaches of TUF 7.

I like Griffin. He's one of the more entertaining guys in this sport. :icon_cool

[mik3]

Yeah, and part two tomorrow will be Rampage.

[Chino Kapone]

I want to see Rance take on Danzig. tMHO That would be a really good fight.

I thought the Jrock vs. War Machine fight was fight of the night. tonite. Overall it was a really good card.

[supers4972]

I met Rampage and Forrest today at the TUF finale and both confirmed they are the coaches for TUF 7 and will be fighting for the title in June/July. Forrest and Rampage are both hurt (shoulder and hand respectfully). I included a few pics.
http://a480.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_40b7297558a385249363bb9bf6e16007.jpg
http://a55.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/69/l_c6b22f94fb267197952526c8c20b9b2e.jpg
http://a849.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_864eec4333bde6e204ab473ef9ed1ad8.jpg

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Thanks for that li'l nugget of info. Sure, didn't watch the VGA on Spike to hear what Dana was hyping last night.

[Palerider4146]

John never worked for the UFC. As with any MMA ref at a sanctioned event they are employees of that particular state's athletic comission. Thats why you see "UFC" refs working other promotions and no reckognizable faces at the Newark PPV.


So anyone have a link to the boxing match tonight? Stuck in a damn hotel in NH with no spike and no sports bars around:arrrh:


Hey Av I know that currently Big John isnt employed by the UFC, but there was a point where he was more recognizable than many of the fighters. I also wonder back before sanctioned MMA, he might have been employed by the UFC in the early days.

I actually was thinking that the big announcement might have been Big Johns retirement and that Dana was inducting him into the UFC Hall of Fame. Other sports induct officials into their halls, why not someone who is one of the best known members of the sport.

So the fights...

Nice sub by Arroyo, he has a nice future in the UFC...

Danzig really looked good, total domination. A fight with him and Rance will be prett good. Tommy will be back with some good training. Remember their was some big strong farmboy who used to have problems with sub defense in his early days.

Apparently Roman came back and subbed dorian in like 23 seconds with an ankle lock. Surprised they didnt show that fight.

War Machine and JRoc put on a great fight. Both really impressed me. Sherdog actually had JRoc up 2 rounds to none. I never thought War would have swept him like that, really impressive fight and great heart by both. But I cant help to think that War is Floridas answer to Pete Sell...

Guida, Huerta, shit I would pay big money to see them fight again. Great fight, but Guida needs to calm down just a bit. He gets caught because he is so aggressive. But shit what a great fight by both. Give Huerta huge credit for coming back in a fight where he was being dominated. He earns a shot at KFlo and the winner there should earn a shot at BJ vs Stevenson, even though it should be BJ vs KFlo.

Sub of the night should go to Arroyo, nice transition, although I didnt see Romans ankle lock.

KO of the night, hmmmm, maybe War, maybe Troy, not sure.

Fight of the night (and potentially fight of the year) would be a close call between Guida/Huerta and War/Jroc.

Overall the UFC put on a great set of fights without "huge names". Huge names bring in the PPV buys but the sport is showing that the future "huge names" bring in the great fights.

[JMCC]

Huerta vs Guida was a great fight. Guida sure can take a punch(or kick for that matter) but in the end Huerta showed why he is consider one of the elites in his sport.

[Cromwell]

I want to see Rance take on Danzig. tMHO That would be a really good fight.


You're right - that would be a good one. I wonder who would be the "favorite"?





I thought the Jrock vs. War Machine fight was fight of the night. tonite.

That was an amazing, bloody battle. Could have gone either way. Same as the Huerta-Guida fight.

[Chino Kapone]

My friend, who is waaaaay more into the UFC than I, told me the reason Big John was retireing was because the UFC wont let any of his fighters fight in the UFC because he is a ref. Now that he is retired, his fighters get a chance in the octagon. Any truth behind this?

[Palerider4146]

My friend, who is waaaaay more into the UFC than I, told me the reason Big John was retireing was because the UFC wont let any of his fighters fight in the UFC because he is a ref. Now that he is retired, his fighters get a chance in the octagon. Any truth behind this?

Dont know about that rumor, but I do know the official word is that he is taking a job with the new Fight Network as a commentator for MMA.

[Chino Kapone]

Dont know about that rumor, but I do know the official word is that he is taking a job with the new Fight Network as a commentator for MMA.

Yup, thats what i heard as well.

[Palerider4146]

BTW Central Jersey and Jersey shore baggers. I emailed Renzo Gracies website and got confirmation that they should be closing the deal to open a school within a month or two. When it will open I'm not sure.

[mendozathejew]

http://a849.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_864eec4333bde6e204ab473ef9ed1ad8.jpg

thats great. rampage should make TUF a bit more entertaining

[Palerider4146]

http://a849.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_864eec4333bde6e204ab473ef9ed1ad8.jpg

UFC 80: Rampage VS Butterbeans mongloid brother






Sorry Supers!!!:action-sm

[supers4972]

UFC 80: Rampage VS Butterbeans mongloid brother






Sorry Supers!!!:action-sm


Nothing to be sorry about I know I'm a fat guy. :icon_wink Maybe if I stopped eating long enough I could match your more than 2700 posts on this website.

[Palerider4146]

Nothing to be sorry about I know I'm a fat guy. :icon_wink Maybe if I stopped eating long enough I could match your more than 2700 posts on this website.


Touche supers, and welcome aboard. My posting rate has actually dropped significantly since I decided to get divorced, be happy and get out of the house now. It's amazing what is outside the internet.

[mendozathejew]

Cromwell, I think I might have to stop hating Matt Hughes. even he was watching Mayweather Hatton, AT the ufc card saturday
http://i1.tinypic.com/6qbbc7s.png

[mik3]

BTW Central Jersey and Jersey shore baggers. I emailed Renzo Gracies website and got confirmation that they should be closing the deal to open a school within a month or two. When it will open I'm not sure.
When it opens I will be going. I'm about to start seriously training to fight. I walk around at 200 right now. I want to put on more muscle and hope to maybe train for 185.

[Palerider4146]

So I figured out why Renzo would open up a school down on the Jersey shore. Turns out he lives right in Holmdel, just 2 mins from myself. Cant wait for that school to open. Anyone have any idea how expensive it will be? I called the Manhattan school and they wouldnt give prices over the phone but said the school should open in March. To people who know the area, the talk is that it will probably be located where the old Wiz was on 35. Probably not the whole place, I think they are breaking the place down to hold a few things.

[mik3]

Nice, that's pretty much around the corner from me. I actually just bought shit for my dog at the petsmart there.

[Palerider4146]

Cool Mik, if it's not to expensive then I may go there myself. If not ModernMa in englishtown has a pretty nice deal

[mik3]

Yeah, there's also a school in point pleasant that I've heard good things about.

[Palerider4146]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=10324

Interesting blurb on Sherdog about Vitor Belfort wanting to come back to the UFC at LHW and possibily MW. Granted Vitor never lived up to the hype, but it sounds like he has a bunch of personal issues that dogged him, and I know from experience that personal issues can affect your performance greatly.

Fact is he is only 30, has had glimpses of greatness (KOd Wanderlai) and wants to rip off Tito's big head. That's enough for me.

So what is next, will Ricco shed the 60 pounds he needs to shed to get back in shape? He's another one with amazing talent but needs to get his head straight. He's also only 30 years old, plenty of years left to fight if he chooses.

[Cromwell]

Cromwell, I think I might have to stop hating Matt Hughes. even he was watching Mayweather Hatton, AT the ufc card saturday
http://i1.tinypic.com/6qbbc7s.png

Loltz!

But - I saw him applauding Roger Huerta's victory?

Are there two Matt Hughes?

(and man how much would that chap Matt Serra!) :icon_mrgr

[JMCC]

Loltz!

But - I saw him applauding Roger Huerta's victory?

Are there two Matt Hughes?

(and man how much would that chap Matt Serra!) :icon_mrgr

Actually Hughes has a twin brother.

Matt Hughes was born in Hillsboro, Illinois.[4]. He and his twin brother Mark spent a lot of time on the family farm in their childhood. During their high school days, they both played football and wrestled.[5]. Matt went to college at Southwestern Illinois College, a two-year college located in Belleville, Illinois before transferring to Lincoln College, in Lincoln, Illinois and then on to Eastern Illinois University in Charleston, Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hughes_%28fighter%29

[Capt.Caveman]

BTW Central Jersey and Jersey shore baggers. I emailed Renzo Gracies website and got confirmation that they should be closing the deal to open a school within a month or two. When it will open I'm not sure.

Yea heard that too. I go to a Renzo affiliate school in matawan. Renzo comes by every now and then. anyone interested the website is www.trianglechoke.com everyone there is real cool. no juiced up assholes

[Save My Up's Dick]

Edit:Wrong thread

[Palerider4146]

Yea heard that too. I go to a Renzo affiliate school in matawan. Renzo comes by every now and then. anyone interested the website is www.trianglechoke.com (http://www.trianglechoke.com) everyone there is real cool. no juiced up assholes


Hey Caveman, I just found out my neighbor Bob also goes to your school. Just started actually. He lives in Raritan Valley also.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hey Caveman, I just found out my neighbor Bob also goes to your school. Just started actually. He lives in Raritan Valley also.

i was rolling with him mon night. nice guy. he knows me as anthony not the cro magnum headed retard that graces this board with his handsomeness.....i'm just sayin

[Suicidebree]

I'm good friends with the riccardi brothers that go to your school.

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm good friends with the riccardi brothers that go to your school.

I only know 1st names except for a few guys

[Suicidebree]

mark, white belt, there fall the time
mike, purple belt, just returned from an achilles heel injury last week

[mendozathejew]

great WEC card tonight on VS. at 9

jens pulver, uriah faber, filho, and a redneck vs a cuban

[Cromwell]

great WEC card tonight on VS. at 9

jens pulver, uriah faber, filho, and a redneck vs a cuban

I's be watchin' :icon_cool

[Chino Kapone]

great WEC card tonight on VS. at 9

jens pulver, uriah faber, filho, and a redneck vs a cuban


Awesome, ill be watching as well.

[Capt.Caveman]

mark, white belt, there fall the time
mike, purple belt, just returned from an achilles heel injury last week

oh mark yea real nice guy. haven't met his bro yet but i missed last week

[Capt.Caveman]

WEC LIVE TONIGHT ON VS

Not a bad card, faber, pulver, filho, condit

[DiscountHarry]

Charlie Valencia rocked Ian McCall in first bout ... Paulo Filho fighting next

[mendozathejew]

filho might have some trouble here

[DiscountHarry]

Very, very good 1st round

[DiscountHarry]

Well ... that was a very odd ending for Filho to get the win

[mendozathejew]

stupid should have kept it standing. he could NOt lose it there.

this is gona be controversial, but he was doing a quasi tap out there. there was a big thread on sherdog from this season of TUF, Tommy did something along those lines when war machine had him in the rear naked choke. its a small tap, in my opinion it happens when they guy is completely unsure of his ability to get out, overreacts and then realizes he can infact get out

and thats what I think happened here

[Chino Kapone]

booooooo.... he didnt tap. Stupid ass, Filho wanted it on the gound. Moron.

[mendozathejew]

kinda like this. ambiguous hand motion some fighters do when getting subbed. and sometimes they realize afterwards they can get out. sonnen faked tapped like this

http://www.matt-hughes.com/images/blogimages/notap.gif
this is war machine and speer from TUF

[mik3]

stupid should have kept it standing. he could NOt lose it there.

this is gona be controversial, but he was doing a quasi tap out there. there was a big thread on sherdog from this season of TUF, Tommy did something along those lines when war machine had him in the rear naked choke. its a small tap, in my opinion it happens when they guy is completely unsure of his ability to get out, overreacts and then realizes he can infact get out

and thats what I think happened here
He would have torn that elbow apart if he tried to pride his way through it though.

[mik3]

I want Swanson to win this, Pulver talks too much shit. Though Mr. Lauzon can thank mouthy Jens for helping to catapult his career.

[DiscountHarry]

I want Swanson to win this, Pulver talks too much shit. Though Mr. Lauzon can thank mouthy Jens for helping to catapult his career.

qft :clap:

[DiscountHarry]

That sucked

[mik3]

Wow, what a douche bag. After Swanson tapped Pulver pointed at him and shouted bitch, then shouted fuck you at someone.

[Chino Kapone]

That was quick.

[mik3]

There you go Joe, you even get mentioned on WEC shows.

[DiscountHarry]

Excellent fight by Faber

[mik3]

Faber's jumping knee there was pretty sick. And a lot of people had Curran rated ahead of him.

[JMCC]

Faber did great. He never panic even when he was on his back for most of the 1st round.

And that jumping knee was fucking nice.

[mendozathejew]

great skill display, I cant get tired of that type of fight on the ground.

[Palerider4146]

Decent fights last night, but besides Faber and Pulver, you can tell this is the minors of the UFC. Dont get me wrong, I'm not getting in the cage against those animals...

Sonnens fight was probably stopped by the ref rather than himself. The ref does have that discretion doesnt he? His elbow was going to get popped, which actually may of happened in the first round. Paulo was lucky, had Chael been smarter and kept it up, he wins.

Faber did an amazing job of surviving there. He was super impressive. I'm curious how he would do if he went up to LW in the UFC.

So Pulver found god and all huh? Did got tell him to call his opponent "bitch" and "fuck you" to someone else?

[Chino Kapone]

I really enjoyed the fights last night. All really entertaining and everyone finshed their fights.

[Capt.Caveman]

great fights. those younger/unknown guys all finish their fights. a lot of UFC guys should take a cue from them. no one trying to win on points on that card

[Cromwell]

I was impressed with Pulver.

Looking forward to his fight against "The California Kid" :icon_cool

[mik3]

Faber's hair is the main thing keeping me from really liking him. I can't stand that hair on anyone.

[Cromwell]

Faber's hair is the main thing keeping me from really liking him. I can't stand that hair on anyone.

But he's so handsome.

that chin, that . . . hair :rolleyes::icon_mrgr

[Palerider4146]

But he's so handsome.

that chin, that . . . hair :rolleyes::icon_mrgr

Hey Crom your man crush on faber only rivals my own of Rance

[Capt.Caveman]

Hey Crom your man crush on faber only rivals my own of Rance

how could you not. 2 slender handsome young bucks..;)

[mik3]

Ryan Gracie got arrested after he stole a car, the next morning he was found dead in his cell.

He is more or less the rogue Gracie but that sucks.

[Capt.Caveman]

Ryan Gracie got arrested after he stole a car, the next morning he was found dead in his cell.

He is more or less the rogue Gracie but that sucks.

wow that sucks

[Capt.Caveman]

“TUF6″ Fighter Jon Koppenhaver Facing Felony Charges
Posted by MMA Junkie on December 13, 2007 at 7:11 pm ET


Jon Koppenhaver, a cast member on the latest season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” appeared in Superior Court on Thursday on felony assault and battery charges stemming from a September incident outside a San Diego training center.

According to the San Diego Tribune-Tribune, Koppenhaver had a preliminary hearing on Thursday, and if the case goes to trial, he faces a maximum penalty of seven years in prison.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) was unable to reach Koppenhaver for comment this afternoon.

Koppenhaver, who entered the UFC’s reality series with a 4-1 professional mixed-martial-arts record, was arrested soon after the show finished taping and just weeks before it debuted on Spike TV. Koppenhaver actually joined the cast a day late as a replacement for Roman Mitichyan, who entered the show with a pre-existing elbow injury.

Koppenhaver is accused of choking unconscious a man and striking him in the face outside Undisputed, a fitness and training center, on Sept. 2. Koppenhaver is a trainer at the facility. According to a San Diego police detective, Zatkow suffered four fractures to his left eye socket during the assault.

The man, Darren Zatkow, said he was confronted by a group of men and was choked from behind until he went unconscious. Zatkow’s friends said he was then assaulted.

A man testifying on Koppehaver’s behalf said the fighter held Zatkow, who admitted he had been drinking throughout the evening, during the confrontation but that that the assault was done by another man.

Koppenhaver most recently scored a come-from-behind, third-round TKO of Jared Rollins at “The Ultimate Fighter: Team Hughes vs. Team Serra” live finale this past Saturday. The fight was shown live as part of the event’s televised main card.

[Capt.Caveman]

Ryan Gracie dies
Fighter was in jail in Sao Paulo

News to make the fighting world tremble. According to news carried by Globo TV, the black belt Ryan Gracie was found dead in the cell where he was being held at a police station in Sao Paulo after having been accused of car theft yesterday in the city of Sao Paulo. According to the Sao Paulo State Secretariat of Public Security, Ryan was alone in the cell.

GRACIEMAG.com sympathizes with the Gracie family and should be back shortly with further information as to Ryan’s death.

10:24

According to the G1 news website:

“Ryan was sent to the 91st PD, after having toxicology exams done at the central IML at around 2:30 am. He arrived at the police station in Vila Leopoldina at 3 am. According to the officer on call of the 15th Police District police officer Daniella Ranna, where the athlete’s case was registered for having tried to steal a motorcycle, he was sent to the 91st DP because it is a traffic station. From there, he would have been seen to the “most recommendable” location.

According to the Secretariat, at around 7am, when policemen at the station were checking the cells with their detainees, they found the fighter fallen in a corner. They entered and confirmed that he was dead. At around 10 am, coroners were already at the location to do the necessary exams and send the body to the institute

[Capt.Caveman]

Michael Bisping Confirms Move to Middleweight
Posted by MMA Junkie on December 15, 2007 at 9:00 am ET


Michael Bisping first discussed the possibility with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) back in August, and it’s now official: he’s moving down to middleweight.

In a recent interview with UFC.com, Bisping, who rose to fame after winning the light heavyweight title of “The Ultimate Fighter 3,” confirmed that he’ll drop from 205 lbs. to 185.

The U.K.-based fighter, who most recently dropped a split decision to Rashad Evans at UFC 78 in November, admitted that he was persuaded by the constant queries — not just from fans and writers, but also other fighters and even UFC President Dana White.

Back in August, just weeks before what would become a hugely controversial split-decision victory over Matt Hamill, Bisping told MMAjunkie.com that he did enjoy the challenge of fighting much-bigger opponents, but he also admitted that it becomes a daunting task as he continues to face the sport’s elite fighters.

“People like (UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson) were telling me this was the best thing for my career,” Bisping told UFC.com. “Really, I knew middleweight was the place to be. When I went to train with Rampage in America over the summer when we’d go eat, he’d have half a lettuce leaf; I’d have a pizza or a couple of foot-long Subways and a couple of sneaky cookies.“

Bisping had been walking around at approximately 210 lbs., which made his cut to 185 a breeze. However, many of his opponents were cutting from 225 lbs. or more, and the size difference has been apparent in recent fights.

The 28-year-old now joins a middleweight division currently dominated by champ Anderson Silva. However, the UFC has recently re-signed many of its top 185-pound fighters, including Rich Franklin, Nate Marquardt and Yushin Okami. Bisping gives the once-thin division some additional depth.

He expects to make his UFC middleweight debut in early spring.

[Palerider4146]

Wow this may be Bispings smartest move yet. He has the chance of being a monster at 185. Still not sure his chances if he got a shot at silva though,but he would be a big MW. I think he'd kick Aces ass.

[mik3]

He'll probably be the class of guys not named Henderson or Silva, but both would take him.

[mendozathejew]

I think Bisping's stand up is seriously overrated

[mik3]

I think Bisping's stand up is seriously overrated
Yeah, he'd get worked by Silva and Henderson would wrestle the shit out of him and probably has as good if not better stand up.

Have him start out with someone like Cote, see where it goes from there.

[Capt.Caveman]

I think Bisping's stand up is seriously overrated

i totally agree. i still say matt hamill would won the whole thing. i do think he'll do well at 185 at least til he meets up with silva or hendo.

[Standby]

I was watching Dennis Miller Live, Only It's Sports Now, or whatever you call the show on VS.

I like Dennis Miller, so I think it's funny but if you don't like him you probably won't.

Anyway I caught one where he had Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell (Chuck via satellite). When asking what Forrest was doing, he mentioned he's one of the coaches for TUF7, but the big thing I heard was that he's gonna fight Rampage.

Is this news to anyone else? I missed this one somehow...

[Gotti420]

Anyway I caught one where he had Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell (Chuck via satellite). When asking what Forrest was doing, he mentioned he's one of the coaches for TUF7, but the big thing I heard was that he's gonna fight Rampage.

Is this news to anyone else? I missed this one somehow...

Dana announced it at the TUF finale

[Palerider4146]

Forrest and Rampage as coaches, should be funny as hell at the least.

The Dennis Miller show is pretty good actually. Not to bad. The show I watched had Chuck and Forrest on, then Forrest, Bill Romanoski, Larry Holmes and Jeremy Roenick on debating who had the toughest sport, not bad, Roenick and Forrest had me laughing.

[mendozathejew]

Forrest and Rampage as coaches, should be funny as hell at the least.

The Dennis Miller show is pretty good actually. Not to bad. The show I watched had Chuck and Forrest on, then Forrest, Bill Romanoski, Larry Holmes and Jeremy Roenick on debating who had the toughest sport, not bad, Roenick and Forrest had me laughing.

I remember Tyson was on Larry King years ago and he thought hockey was the toughest sport

[mendozathejew]

COUTURE WILL WAIT TO FIGHT FEDOR
mmaweekly article in spoiler
Randy Couture appeared at HDNet Fights on Saturday night and reaffirmed to fans that he will return to fighting, but not in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, as he will stay out until his current contract expires and wait for a fight with Fedor Emelianenko.

“I am not retired,” said Couture at the HDNet Fights show in Dallas, Texas. “I am waiting for my UFC contract to expire. I will fight Fedor Emelianenko.”

Couture’s statement will surely come as a shock to many fans who were waiting to see if the current UFC heavyweight champion would return to the Octagon, but it looks as if now he has decided sit out and wait for the dream match-up with Fedor at some point in the future.

Another embattled UFC heavyweight was a guest at the HDNet Fights show, as former champion Andrei Arlovski was present at the show and post fight press conference.

“I will fight very soon,” Arlovski stated about his fight career.

Sources close to the fighter confirmed to MMAWeekly.com that Arlovski is also waiting out his UFC contract which according to them expires in April and at that time the Belarus native will look to move on to another organization.

Also at the show was former UFC and Bodog Fight middleweight contender, Matt “The Law” Lindland who was brought in by the show’s promoters to commentate as a part of the broadcast team.

While no announcement was made towards his future involvement as a fighter for the organization, Lindland’s promotion, SportFight, will be seen on HDNet next Saturday night as a part of the networks extensive mixed martial arts coverage.
I think Zuffa will do all it can to stop Randy from making this fight happen. It will look something like mel karmazin keeping o and a on the shelf with a no compete clause. dana white has said that randy isnt contractually allowed to fight eslewhere after these 10 months are up.

Arlovski's agent denies these claims about waiting out his contract as well, but im not so sure

[Palerider4146]

Interesting with Couture and the UFC stuff. Heres something to ponder...could Mark Cuban be succesful in finally giving the UFC and Zuffa something to worry about. He definetely has the money to make it work, and if fighters are getting sick of the UFC it could be interesting. One problem is that HDNet isnt totally available yet, but I'm sure it is inevitable that it will grom and become available. It also wouldnt stop Cuban from running PPVs on cable companies that dont carry the network. He doesnt have a lot of big fighters in his corral yet, but there are some UFC vets there, Dewees, Trigg, Couture, Yves Edwards, etc, etc and he has Fedor now.

[Capt.Caveman]

Lutter vs Franklin added for UFC 82

[mik3]

Lutter vs Franklin added for UFC 82
Silva destroyed both of us, maybe Ace can use me to get his career back from being a joke. /Lutter

[Palerider4146]

Silva destroyed both of us, maybe Ace can use me to get his career back from being a joke. /Lutter


I may have to give this one to Lutter. My call is Lutter by rear nakes choke.

[mendozathejew]

I think Franklin will smack him around. and get a title shot when hendo beats silva

[Capt.Caveman]

franklin walks thru lutter(if he makes weight) silva beats hendo then no ones left at 185 to really challenge silva

[mendozathejew]

the hendo fight is intriguing because if Hendo decides to kep the fight on the ground, I dont see what anderson silva could possibly do to stop him. but hendo might be a dummy and not do that

both nog brothers subbed Hendo. and they are the only fighters to sub hendo. Anderson currently trains with the Nog brothers. but I dont see him subbing hendo IF the fight is on the ground.

franklin would be right back in the mix again

[Capt.Caveman]

the hendo fight is intriguing because if Hendo decides to kep the fight on the ground, I dont see what anderson silva could possibly do to stop him. but hendo might be a dummy and not do that

both nog brothers subbed Hendo. and they are the only fighters to sub hendo. Anderson currently trains with the Nog brothers. but I dont see him subbing hendo IF the fight is on the ground.

franklin would be right back in the mix again

silva bjj is pretty good. hendo is a ridiculous wrestler with a granite chin. should be interesting. i gotta go with silva. i like hendo but i think silva will catch him

[mik3]

Maybe the winner of the Lutter/Franklin fight gets Bisping next and then that winner gets a title fight.

[Cromwell]

While no announcement was made towards his future involvement as a fighter for the organization, Lindland’s promotion, SportFight, will be seen on HDNet next Saturday night as a part of the networks extensive mixed martial arts coverage.


There is someone on this Saturday night?

If so - does anyone know what channel on Cablevision this "HDNet" is on?

[Capt.Caveman]

anyone know the hdnet channel for comcast in the hazlet nj area?

[mendozathejew]

If I watch it Im sure it will be
the mma channel on tvu, or an address on sopcast found from http://forum.myp2p.eu/viewforum.php?id=5

enjoy it while it lasts. i cant believe its been supplying feeds for this long

[Capt.Caveman]

If I watch it Im sure it will be
the mma channel on tvu, or an address on sopcast found from http://forum.myp2p.eu/viewforum.php?id=5

enjoy it while it lasts. i cant believe its been supplying feeds for this long

def a great link. thanks again

[mendozathejew]

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/...ture-vs-fedor/

UFC Reject M-1 Offer To Co-Promote Couture-Emelianenko
By Jason Perkins | December 20, 2007

According to Randy Couture, the UFC has turned down an official offer from M-1 to run a co-promotion featuring a fight between Randy Couture and Fedor Emelianenko.
"We got an official offer from M-1 to the UFC to do a co-promotion for the Couture-Emelianenko fight, and they (UFC) rejected that offer," Couture told Brawl Sports. "Really, the only thing standing in the way for that fight right now is Dana and the UFC. Obviously, M-1 is happy to do a co-promotion like that. It only serves to help them. I think the UFC is looking at it the other way, and it's like why do we want to help out another organization? The fans want to see that fight. At some point, you have to put that first."



http://www.mmafightline.com/news/200...o_310575.shtml

Fedor On Dana White And A Possible Match Up With Randy Couture:

Dana talks a lot and uses words lightly. Let Randy Couture fight me. Allow this fight that everyone wants to take place. Me, Randy and MMA fans all over the world want it. The only obstacle is Dana. People want to see this fight and I want to meet him in the ring. I have the greatest respect for Randy and have always admired him. I am also thankful that he has such a high opinion of me.

[Capt.Caveman]

The full card includes:

MAIN CARD (Televised)

B.J. Penn vs. Joe Stevenson (for vacant lightweight title)
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Fabricio Werdum
Marcus Davis vs. Jess Liaudin
Jason Lambert vs. Wilson Gouveia
Kendall Grove vs. Jorge Rivera
PRELIMINARY CARD (Un-Televised)

Antoni Hardonk vs. Colin Robinson
Paul Kelly vs. Paul Taylor
James Lee vs. Alessio Sakara
Per Eklund vs. Sam Stout
Because UFC 80 takes place overseas, the event airs in an unusual pay-per-view time slots — 3 p.m. ET/noon p.m. PT.



MAIN CARD

Josh Burkman vs. Mike Swick
Patrick Côté vs. Drew McFedries
Nate Diaz vs. Alvin Robinson
Thiago Tavares vs. Michihiro Omigawa
PRELIMINARY CARD

Alberto Crane vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Gray Maynard vs. Dennis Siver
Cole Miller vs. Jeremy Stephens
Corey Hill vs. Joe Veres
Justin Buchholz vs. Matt Wiman
For the latest UFC Fight Night 12 news, check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

[Capt.Caveman]

bisbing making 185 debut against charles mccarthy

[Capt.Caveman]

“Shogun” and “Ninja” Depart Chute Box
Posted by MMA Junkie on December 19, 2007 at 9:53 am ET
The Rua brothers — UFC fighter Mauricio “Shogun” Rua and EliteXC fighter Murilo “Ninja” Rua — have left the once-mighty Chute Box team.

The news was released Tuesday on the team’s official website.

Both sides maintain the split was amicable.

“The doors of Chute Boxe shall always be open to them, and we wish them good luck,” stated Rudimar Fedrigo, one of the leaders of the Brazilian-based Chute Boxe team.

The Rua brothers follow Wanderlei Silva, the former PRIDE fighter who recently left the team after signing on with the UFC and moving to the U.S.

Mauricio (16-3), 26, is a four-year PRIDE veteran and the 2005 PRIDE Middleweight Grand Prix winner. After Zuffa LLC purchased and dismantled the Japanese-based organization earlier this year, he signed on with the UFC. However, Mauricio suffered a submission loss to Forrest Griffin in his octagon debut at UFC 76 and had knee surgery soon after. The UFC has yet to book him for a second fight because of the injury.

Murilo (15-8-1), 27, competed for PRIDE from 20001-2006. He’s since bounced around a couple organizations, including Cage Rage and EliteXC. He scored a TKO of Joey Villasenor in June to capture the vacant EliteXC middleweight title, but he lost the belt to Robbie Lawler in his first title defense a few months later. He’ll return at a March EliteXC event.

Neither fighter has announced plans for joining a new team.

[Capt.Caveman]

Matt Lindland and UFC President Dana White Meet (Story from Yahoo! Sports)
Posted by Kevin Iole on December 18, 2007 at 7:32 pm ET
by Kevin Iole/Yahoo! Sports
(Reprinted from the Yahoo! Sports MMA Mailbag with permission)

The first, albeit tiny, steps toward middleweight Matt Lindland’s return to the UFC were taken last week when Lindland spoke to UFC president Dana White.

Lindland hasn’t fought in the UFC since UFC 54 on Aug. 20, 2005. He wore a shirt bearing the logo of a sponsor not approved by UFC management and hasn’t been back.

Lindland worked the corner of Chael Sonnen in Sonnen’s unsuccessful WEC middleweight title bid against Paulo Filho last week in Las Vegas. After the bout, Lindland said he’d spoken to White about returning to fight in the UFC.

White said he is “not sure” of whether Lindland will return. In a text message, he wrote, “He told me he wants to come back, and I haven’t thought about it at all.“

Now would be a good time to start. Lindland is one of the world’s five best middleweights, along with UFC champion Anderson Silva, Filho, Pride ex-champion Dan Henderson and UFC ex-champ Rich Franklin.

The middleweight division is clearly the UFC’s weakest and could use a quality challenger like Lindland.

Whatever his grievances are with Lindland, White owes it to the UFC’s fans to settle the dispute and bring “The Law” back to the UFC to fortify a lackluster division.

For Iole’s entire MMA Mailbag, head over to Yahoo! Sports…

Kevin Iole is the national boxing/MMA writer for Yahoo! Sports. This story originally appeared in the Yahoo! Sports MMA section and is syndicated on MMAjunkie.com as part of a content-partnership deal between the two sites.

[mendozathejew]

http://i13.tinypic.com/6pq3cly.jpg

[mik3]

http://i13.tinypic.com/6pq3cly.jpg
Sharing thoughts on favorite pills? :D

[blazin]

Rich Franklin is injured, will not appear in UFC82 against Lutter

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/12/20/rich-franklin-sidelined-until-june-with-torn-meniscus/

[mik3]

Rich is probably just amazed that he was hurt by something other than Anderson's knees.

[mendozathejew]

thats a tough break. I feel bad for the guy

[mik3]

I wouldn't be surprised if they move Bisping into this fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

I wouldn't be surprised if they move Bisping into this fight.

that may not be a bad idea. that would be a pretty good fight

[Palerider4146]

Ok, this is something that pisses me off about the UFC. The mmajunkie article stated that Lutter/Franklin was going to be a co-main event to Silva/Hendo...WHY??? Franklin is the former champ who has now been decimated twice by the champ. Although the champ is a non english speaking brazilian, he has garnered quite a fan base with his exciting fights all on his own...oh wait, Franklins nose did help the excitement of those fights.

[Cromwell]

http://i13.tinypic.com/6pq3cly.jpg

Great picture.

They look like they could be brothers.

Yeah, Franklin is out.

This was the American Fighter announcement:

Rich won't be able to fight at UFC 82. He tore his meniscus. This is news to me as well, I was around him at the gym on Tues and got a rd in with him and all seemed well. So I might do a little double checking up on this, but as it stands now he is out with an injury.

Rich will still be at UFC 82 cornering Jorge Gurgel and working the American Fighter booth at the Arnold Classic signing autographs and taking pictures.

[Capt.Caveman]

Floyd Mayweather Considering a Move to MMA?
Posted by Performify on December 22, 2007 at 4:20 am ET
According to a report on ESPN.com, “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather Jr. — universally regarded as the best pound-for-pound boxer on the planet — may be considering lacing up the 5-oz gloves and stepping in to the world of MMA with Mark Cuban’s HDNet Fights.

The article quotes Cuban, saying:

“Floyd is considering fighting with HDNet Fights,” Cuban told ESPN.com. “We are going to let him visit some gyms to talk to some folks about what it would take to learn. He knows it won’t be easy. But he is getting involved with MMA and HDNet Fights one way or another. He is pumped about it. He wants to go on to the next big thing. Floyd is a brilliant marketer. He follows the money.“

“If I said there’s a guaranteed $30 million payday, Floyd would be lacing them up,” Cuban said, optimistic that Mayweather would eventually participate in an MMA match. “If not, I could see him working to train and develop and invest in MMA fighters, knowing the upside. He can teach them how to be a better boxer and add to their other skills.“

Mayweather is currently taking “a vacation” after his most recent fight, a dramatic and dominating dismantling of previously-undefeated Ricky Hatton on December 8, 2007 via a 10th round TKO. However, it appears Mayweather will be looking seriously at mixed martial arts upon his return from the break. The article quotes Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather’s adviser and best friend, on the subject:

”(MMA is) definitely something (Mayweather) is interested in, and when Floyd makes his move, obviously it’s going to be a mega event,” Ellerbe said. “We don’t have a timetable. Floyd is taking some time off, but Floyd understands what is involved. You have to take time to go out and understand what you’re getting involved in, and he’s ready to do that. But it’s something he’s definitely interested in doing.

This isn’t Mayweather’s first MMA-related headline. Back in early May — during the buildup for his highly-anticipated fight with Oscar De La Hoya — Mayweather made disparaging remarks regarding mixed martial arts, stating that any boxing champion could easily transition into MMA and become a champion. In response, Dana White called out Mayweather, offering him an immediate fight against then-champion Sean Sherk. Mayweather later apologized for the remarks (see: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Victorious, Apologetic).

According to the ESPN.com story, Cuban first approached Mayweather regarding participating in an MMA event after the two “struck up a friendship… during their participation this season as contestants on the ABC reality series Dancing with the Stars.“

Mayweather holds a 39-0 professional boxing record and has won six world boxing championships in five different weight classes. Since July 2005, he has been rated the #1 boxer pound-for-pound by Ring Magazine. Mayweather currently boxes at welterweight (147 pounds) but his fight against De La Hoya was for the junior middleweight title at 154 pounds.

A move to MMA would certainly require a significant amount of training for the veteran boxer to round out his fighting skills and be competitive with a true rounded mixed martial artist. However it is unarguable that Mayweather would bring a significant ratings draw to the table regardless of his experience level.




God I would love to see this!!!! but just like kimbo they would hand pick his opponents and not give him any real competition.faber vs mayweather would be a dream match and floyd would just get embarassed.

[Palerider4146]

Like Cuban said though, unless he gets some type of $30 mil payday, he will more likely be involved with training and promoting. I doubt you will see him in a match anytime soon. And if he did, unless he got a quick KO, I think he would be in major trouble.

[mendozathejew]

not a chance. hes fucking with everyone. he just wants to be a promoter and have his hands in mma fans pockets, along with boxing. but he knows full well he wont compete with oscar de le hoya in boxing promotion, so he sees an opening.

that, and leverage with negotiations for his next fight, are his only intentions.


when dana white made that offer to floyd earlier in the year, another welterweight champion tried to take him up on the offer. Kermit Cintron is a beltholder at 147, and hes actually a wrestler turned boxer. wrestled since he was 9, was recruited by a couple of the best wrestling programs in the country. but decided to stay local and wrestle junior college as he started his boxing career. he finished 9 in the country as a freshman. he punches like a monster. dana white was uninterested

there are a few really good boxers who were also very good wrestlers. but even these lesser names would be taking a massive paycut by moving to mma

[Palerider4146]

Although it will not happen IMO, it has done something good for MMA already. Its the top sports story on the AOL home page. It was reported by ESPN.com. MMA will get another boost from it. Wasnt he the one bashing MMA?

[mendozathejew]

Wasnt he the one bashing MMA?

yes, and in my opinion, thats why he is doing this. he wants to get his hands in mma's pockets as a promoter. if he throws some respect towards mma now, it will make his previous comments where he trashed the sport a forgotten story

floyd will end up saying hes not going to compete in mma, especially with huge fights left at welterweight in boxing. but he'll say he respects the sport and fighters, and that will leave him in good standing with the fans of mma

[Standby]

there are a few really good boxers who were also very good wrestlers. but even these lesser names would be taking a massive paycut by moving to mma

They always say the move from grappler to striker is much MUCH easier than a striker learning to wrestle (or as I like to spell it to be wacky, 'rassle). Of course Floyd won't fight so it's a moot point, but it's rarer and rarer you see some guy billed as originally from a striking discipline.

[mendozathejew]

They always say the move from grappler to striker is much MUCH easier than a striker learning to wrestle (or as I like to spell it to be wacky, 'rassle). Of course Floyd won't fight so it's a moot point, but it's rarer and rarer you see some guy billed as originally from a striking discipline.
maybe on an mma level its easier to develop the striking. on a boxing level, thats another story

with a late start in boxing its almost impossible for the athlete to reach the elite level. it has happened very, very rarely, because the technique of doing the same thing so well is very hard to pull off. so many people compete in it all around the world. to make it at the top of boxing requires more than athleticism, it takes a decade+ just to be able to advance your professional career.

kermit cintron has been able to do that. he started boxing while wrestling in college at 19. he might not be undisputed champ at welterweight, but its damn impressive that hes made this far to top ten, maybe top 5. Hes considered mma, but truthfully, he only went into boxing for the money, for the career. He wants to train with team quest, but his boxing career is going to well

jeremy williams also did fairly well for the past couple years, but he went back to boxing. he had a 4-0 record with elite xc. he was a state champion wrestler in high school. theres a few other state champion wrestlers in boxing, shane mosely was supposedly pretty good as well. but all these guys boxed as well. the Cintrons are very rare, and even him was taught the basics when he was young but went with wrestling instead

he hits like a monster
http://i1.tinypic.com/7x1o4tw.gif

[Capt.Caveman]

They always say the move from grappler to striker is much MUCH easier than a striker learning to wrestle (or as I like to spell it to be wacky, 'rassle). Of course Floyd won't fight so it's a moot point, but it's rarer and rarer you see some guy billed as originally from a striking discipline.

marcus davis is a boxer originally. he has done pretty good. the problem most boxers would have is relying on their hands to much. that i'm gonna ko you attitude is a crutch sometime, liddell cro cop jardine. you have to be comfortable wherever the fight takes you. it's not impossible but it's much easier for a wrestler to become a mma star then a boxer.

[Capt.Caveman]

RANCE TO FIGHT FLORIAN!!!!!!


UFC Fight Night 13: Florian vs. Lauzon, Bonnar vs. Hamill Discussed
Posted by MMA Junkie on December 26, 2007 at 10:43 pm ET
A UFC Fight Night 13 event planned for April 2 is starting to take shape.

Earlier today The Fight Network reported that lightweight contender Kenny Florian (7-3 MMA, 6-2 UFC) and “The Ultimate Fighter 5” standout Joe Lauzon (16-3 MMA, 3-0 UFC) have agreed to a bout that will serve as the night’s main event.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has uncovered some additional details about the event.

UFC Fight Night 13, which will air live on Spike TV, will serve as a lead-in for the season debut of “The Ultimate Fighter 7,” which features a cast of middleweight hopefuls that will be coached by UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton Jackson and “The Ultimate Fighter 1” winner Forrest Griffin. Filming begins Jan. 29.

A source close to the event today told MMAjunkie.com that a bout between former cast members Stephan Bonnar (11-4 MMA, 5-3 UFC) and Matt Hamill (3-1 MMA, 3-1 UFC) has also been discussed as a possibility. The light-heavyweight clash could earn co-main event status if officially signed, we’re told.

As for a possible venue, one fighter told us that Denver, Colo. has been mentioned by UFC officials as a realistic option. The UFC has never held a sanctioned event in the Centennial State, which is home to Nate Marquardt and other MMA notables. The Pepsi Center (capacity: 20,000) is a possible host site, but a smaller venue such as the University of Denver’s Magnass Arena (capacity: 5,200) may be a more realistic option.

UFC President Dana White recently said that the organization would branch outside its usual Las Vegas and Florida locations for 2008 UFC Fight Night events. Colorado could be one such stop.

The Florian vs. Lauzon, and Bonnar vs. Hamill bouts — which contains four veterans from “The Ultimate Fighter” — would make sense for a Fight Night event. Spike TV executives prefer to showcase former cast members from their popular reality series for the live events since they appeal to Spike TV viewers.

In any manner, for the latest UFC Fight Night 13 news, check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

That would be a great ticket, hope it goes through.

[Cromwell]

The Fight Network reported that lightweight contender Kenny Florian (7-3 MMA, 6-2 UFC) and “The Ultimate Fighter 5” standout Joe Lauzon (16-3 MMA, 3-0 UFC) have agreed to a bout that will serve as the night’s main event.

Wow.

Rance has certainly moved up quickly. No Spencer Fisher - no Frankie Edgar - -but up against (in my opinion) the *No 2 Contender* for the title?

Methinks young Rancy may be biting off more than he can chew.

K-Flo will be out for blood.

Meanwhile - I've been reading a lot of interviews with The Champion (and he still is) Sean Sherk. He's been calling BJ Penn out BIG TIME. Like Hughes with Serra - Sherk is sick of Penn's trashing of him So Sherk has been firing back. Calling Penn a "punk" who has only won *once* in his last three fights. He also called Penn a pot head. Sherk is sick of Penn calling all of his fights "tainted".

Sherk has spent tons of money and time trying to clear his name. He's says the California Commission that ruled against him are inept and that Quest Labs (who did his tests) are a bunch of fuckups.

I gotta say, at this point I'm tending to believe Sherk.

Sherk is still the 155 lb Champ. Until somebody beats him - he *stays* the Champ.

[mik3]

Penn has always come out against steroids, it has to do more with steroids than it being Sherk.

[MattyIceGfunk]

I have seen a bunch of Echo clothing around the UFC which I find weird but does anyone know if there are shirts for sale somewhere?

Edit: Sorry Ecko not Echo.

[Cromwell]

Penn has always come out against steroids, it has to do more with steroids than it being Sherk.

Yeah, but that's pretty hypocritical coming from a cannabis user.

Wasn't Nick Diaz banned for using?

[mik3]

Yeah, but that's pretty hypocritical coming from a cannabis user.

Wasn't Nick Diaz banned for using?
Being a pot head won't help you train for or win fights. But when you're on PEDs and you're working in the gym every day, it makes you way more likely to bounce out of bed the next day with fewer aches and pains.

[mendozathejew]

sherk isnt champ. I have no sympathy for him and fact that the commission dragged its feet on this. the guy on camera talked about popping 75 pills a day. then his blood levels are too high

you cant claim ignorance on that one. he'll get his chance to get his title back though. but the rules have to count for something. especially if this sport wants to go where we all think it should.

[MattyIceGfunk]

Whats up with MTV2 doing a preview for 79 tomorrow night? Is this old and I just saw this or is it a new thing? I really really don't like to turn on MTV unless it is totally necessary.

[Capt.Caveman]

Wow.

Rance has certainly moved up quickly. No Spencer Fisher - no Frankie Edgar - -but up against (in my opinion) the *No 2 Contender* for the title?

Methinks young Rancy may be biting off more than he can chew.

K-Flo will be out for blood.

I don't think it's biting off more than he can chew. Ken flo is tough and he's gonna wanna bang. Joe has retard strength, great hands, a great chin and sick bjj. I'm not saying this because of the whole o n a fan thing. I was a lauzon fan before TUF. The guys a beast. He lost to manny cause manny didn't do anything he held him down for 2 rounds. imo that's a sissy way to win

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Manny's neck was a wee bit to thick for an effective RNC. After training with BJ, forgetaboutit.

Should be an amazing battle between JLo and KFlo.

[Palerider4146]

I actually think that could be a really good matchup, I think they are both very similiar fighters. Joe didnt do well against Manny, but Croms and I saw him at 78 and he did real well against the Roided Steve Carrell. I'm still thinking that KFlo should have gotten the shot with Penn first, but it is what it is. Interesting card shaping up there.

[Cromwell]

Interesting thoughts, people. Oh, and I think Rance would cringe if he found out some were calling him J-Lo -- Its J-Lau! :icon_wink

Speaking of the other 155lber in contention - Joe Stevenson has a lot to say about the whole Mayweather topic du jour at the moment

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag122507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

There's also some good Q&A stuff about a lot of the bouts coming up and Lindland's possible return to the UFC with the writer at the end of the article.:icon_cool

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Oops, my bad.

[mendozathejew]

"He represents himself in a different manner and it's not the way I think is correct for our athletes," Stevenson said. "You don't brag about how much money you make. That's totally disrespectful. I've seen him in clubs and I've seen the way he treats people and I can tell you, that's not the kind of a guy we want representing this sport." -stevens

I can definitely agree with this. hes not the athlete I like seeing represent either sport. shit even patrice agrees with hating on mayweather. but stevens point is pretty useless in regards to mma as long as the TUF house is filled with the typical nonsense it has been every season

but here we are still talking about mayweather, and thats his only goal. despite his extreme purses this year (50 million total), he was the B side in each fight in terms of drawing power and overall fan appeal. and Cotto isnt quite there yet to give the attention hatton and de la hoya did. this is just leverage. and maybe a promotional career down the road. I saw one interesting prediction that mayweather wants to be the first major promoter to do mma and boxing

[Gotti420]

I agree with Stevenson 100%. Considering Mayweather was bashing MMA a few months ago, it seems like he is just getting into MMA for the potential money. This is why he is going to Cuban and not Zuffa or K1 who have some of the top fighters at his weight.

I wish Rance the best of luck against Florian. This will be a tough fight, but if he wins I think he will be one of the top contenders for a title shot. Florian might have the advantage as far as experience, but then again so did Jens Pulver.

[Suicidebree]

Fuck Florian, god i want him to lose just so he cant say he finishes fights. Joe you may want to grow dreadlocks, he has razors for elbows.

[burky79]

just got this in my inbox...

when did Mtv2 start doing the "All Access"?

I thought that was Spikes gig...

Now I haven't stayed up on any MMA in the last three week, because I have been so busy with the Holiday traveling, but what's goin' on?

http://mm.ticketmaster.com/tmbrowseimages/zuffa%20llc/email//UFC_79_TOMORROWBLAST_02.JPG (http://smr.mm.ticketmaster.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=10600627&messageid=10581317&databaseid=DATABASEID&serial=119884337027026&emailid=burky79@gmail.com&userid=329086177&extra=&&&http://video.ufc.tv/79_mtv2.html)

[MattyIceGfunk]

Is the weigh in televised? I thought it was going to be on Spike but didn't see it on my tv guide.

[Cromwell]

Fuck Florian, god i want him to lose just so he cant say he finishes fights.



Ooooh - your such a "fanboy". :rolleyes:

I think you've got a bigger "man crush" on Lauzon than even PaleRider :icon_wink



Joe you may want to grow dreadlocks, he has razors for elbows.

Kenny Florian is a fighter reborn.

Gone is the adequately-in-shape guy with those fight-ending elbows. That he could unleash at a variety of different weight classes.

What K-Flo is now, is a chiseled hardbody with a chip on his shoulder and an axe to grind.

Young J-Lau is going to be in for the fight of his life. This isn't Manny Gamburian. This is the (arguably) best fighter, pound-for-pound at 155. He lost a close decision to Sherk where a lot of "lay and pray" was allowed. He also was not in the same physicial condition he is now.

[MattyIceGfunk]

Kenny Florian is a fighter reborn.



Who has he fought worth a damn? I wouldn't go as far to say as hes the second coming but still not too impressed.

[Cromwell]

Who has he fought worth a damn?


5 rounds with Sherk in a title fight? That's not "worth a damn"?

Here's his record:

Win Din Thomas Submission (Other) UFC® Fight Night™: Kenny Florian vs Din Thomas 09/19/2007 1 4:31

Win Alvin Robinson Technical Knock Out UFC® 73 STACKED 07/07/2007 1 4:30

Win Dokonjonosuke Mishima Submission (Other) UFC® Fight Night™ 04/05/2007 3 3:57

Loss Sean Sherk Unanimous Decision UFC® 64: UNSTOPPABLE 10/14/2006 5 5:00

Win Sam Stout Submission (Other) The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale 06/24/2006 1 1:46

Win Kit Cope Submission (Other) The Ultimate Fighter® 2 Finale 09/05/2005 2 0:37

Win Alex Karalexis Technical Knock Out UFC® Fight Night™ 1 08/06/2005 2 2:52

I'd say that pretty impressive.


Here's something interesting - Fight Hype's 2007 Fans Choice MMA Awards
http://www.fighthype.com/awards/mmaawards.php

Oh, and you can watch the weigh-in's live today

12/28/2007 4pm PT / 7pm ET
Location: Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada

ESPN.com, NBCSports.com, Sympatico MSN, Yahoo!Sports and FoxSports.com will broadcast LIVE, online, the fighter weigh-in for UFC 79 NEMESIS at 4pm PT / 7pm ET.

[Chino Kapone]

I really hope GSP smacks the snot outta Hughes again. But i do want to see Hughes and Serra go at it. Im kinda torn here. :huh:

[MattyIceGfunk]

5 rounds with Sherk in a title fight? That's not "worth a damn"?



Ok I'll give him the impressive Shrek fight. I meant to add that in my original post. I think Houston Alexander is gonna be a fighter guys don't wanna face here pretty soon. Granted he just lost but He is just a bad dude. Not exactly the most technical guy but he gets the job done.

[filthgrinder]

I think Houston Alexander is gonna be a fighter guys don't wanna face here pretty soon. Granted he just lost but He is just a bad dude. Not exactly the most technical guy but he gets the job done.

Unless someone kidnapped him and put him in with a good BJJ coach, I think alot of guys would want to take a crack at him. His loss showed that he has the worst ground skills this side of Chieck Kongo. On the ground he was mounted and pounded out ridiculously fast. Then again, his entire performance was very poor, he didn't have that fire he had in his previous two fights. Hopefully thats corrected now. His aggression returning and basic ground skills will make him feared.

[MattyIceGfunk]

Well Alexander is supposed to be a pretty good wrestler which is what a lot of guys replace for their BJJ but if he can work on even that I think he will go far.

[mik3]

He's not bad, but he's not a top 205 guy IMO. I don't think he can hang with the real good strikers, and it's safe to say the BJJ guys will just destroy him right now. He's too old to be a "project" like say a Tommy Speer. IMO he's like Cung Le, what you see now is pretty much what you're going to get, and it'll be some guys but not any A/B guys.

[MattyIceGfunk]

Eh I don't know. I think he can hang with the top strikers pretty well but your right about putting him in there with a great BJJ guy.

[mendozathejew]

He's not bad, but he's not a top 205 guy IMO. I don't think he can hang with the real good strikers, and it's safe to say the BJJ guys will just destroy him right now. He's too old to be a "project" like say a Tommy Speer. IMO he's like Cung Le, what you see now is pretty much what you're going to get, and it'll be some guys but not any A/B guys.

I was with you til the cung le comparison. cung lee uses skill from pro kickboxing. alexander uses brute strength from who knows what magical pills and injections. he wont beat anyone at the top level

[mik3]

I think Cung is a decent fighter, but I just wanted a one-dimensional guy to compare to. Cung Le's one dimension is way better than Alexander's thanks to san shou.

[mendozathejew]

cung le just waited too long to get into the sport. he was a very good college wrestler too so the potential was/is there. hes jut getting old

[mik3]

yeah, he has the skills, but like you said it'd be like teaching an old dog some tricks he knew for a few months as a puppy.

I was a really good baseball player, but that was 6 years ago, I'm pretty sure I couldn't just start playing baseball again.

[Capt.Caveman]

Ooooh - your such a "fanboy". :rolleyes:

I think you've got a bigger "man crush" on Lauzon than even PaleRider :icon_wink

[QUOTE]


How could you not with those boyish good looks;)



[QUOTE=Cromwell;2319685]
Kenny Florian is a fighter reborn.

Gone is the adequately-in-shape guy with those fight-ending elbows. That he could unleash at a variety of different weight classes.

What K-Flo is now, is a chiseled hardbody with a chip on his shoulder and an axe to grind.

Young J-Lau is going to be in for the fight of his life. This isn't Manny Gamburian. This is the (arguably) best fighter, pound-for-pound at 155. He lost a close decision to Sherk where a lot of "lay and pray" was allowed. He also was not in the same physicial condition he is now.

I agree with the sherk fight but joe is a beast. he puts it on guys and florian hasn't fought anyone like that. interesting fight. Joe has heavy hands and a great chin. no one gave joe a chance against pulver and he threw him a beating.


ps i suck at multi qouting

[Capt.Caveman]

MY UFC 79 Predictions

Hughes vs GSP Hughes 3rd rd tko

Machida vs Sokoudjou Sokoudjou 1st rd ko (excited about this one)

Silva vs Liddell Silva 3rd rd tko

Irvin vs Cane Irvin 2nd rd ko

Guillard vs Clementi Melvin 1st rd ko

Palelei vs sanchez sanchez 2nd rd ko

Gamburyan VS Mohr Manny Unanimous/majority decision

Radev vs Lister Lister Judge's decision Unanimous/majority decision

DeSouza vs Carneiro Desouza 3rd rd sub

Bocek vs Evans Bocek 2nd rd tko

I'm a lil optimistic with most of the guys finishing their fights but most of these guys are finishers. Very excited about this card!!!!!!!

[mendozathejew]

Lyoto is damn good. He reminds me of pernell whitaker, with the defense and ring generalship that gives his opponents no openings.

but if Soko beats him, he is absolutely one of the top 205lbers and a serious threat to rampage. the winner should be ranked higher than the winner of liddell silva but I dont expect that to happen. It wouldnt shock me of dana white gives a blowjob to the winner of liddell silva right there in the octagon

[mendozathejew]

leave it to matt hughes to make me actually like tim sylvia

from his upcoming book


Below is an excerpt (provided by The Sun) of Matt Hughes new biography entitled "Made In America". In the excerpt to follow, Hughes is relaying conversation he had with Tim Sylvia:

“Tim Sylvia walked over to me during practice. His back was hunched a bit, like Pat’s is, but Pat I could look in the face.

‘Can I talk to you a second?’ he asked.

“Sure thing.” He led me into an office and we sat down on two chairs.

“No one here’s got a problem with me except you,” he began.

“When I first started, Jens would say I’m a fat piece of s*** who’s never going to amount to anything, and he’d get me crying, but now even Jens likes me. Is there a problem?”

He was waiting for me to tell him there was a big misunderstanding or to apologize, like I wasn’t aware of what I was doing.

“Yeah, I really don’t like you,” I told him.

“Is there a reason why?”

“I don’t think you’re a team player and I don’t think you work very hard,” I said.

“How am I not a team player?”

“Remember that whole thing with that girl?” I reminded him.

He waved those ridiculously long arms of his in the air. “They weren’t even going out!”

“Yeah, but you knew that your teammate had a thing for her and you went for it anyway. But I don’t even care about that. I’m talking more about training.

“When somebody’s got a fight coming up, everybody tries to make sure the guy’s got some training partners to get ready.

“Everybody tries but you. Your first priority is always Tim, and I don’t think that’s a good attitude.”

I wasn’t angry or even annoyed. I had as much emotion as if I were talking about the contents of a fridge.

“I don’t think you work very hard either. You’re a little sore and you don’t come in.

“Jens, who’s a champion, has been sore and he comes in. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been sore.

“No one’s ever going to be 100 percent. You just suck it up and you do it, period.”

I didn’t care one way or another what he said in response – I assumed he’d get defensive or angry.

But he didn’t; he was reasonable.

“I’m actually hurt to hear you say that. I’ve been a huge fan of yours for a long time and I’ve been trying to model myself on some of your work ethics, and the way Jens works out and stuff like that, and it’s too bad you feel like this.

“There’s nothing more that I want than to be accepted by you and the rest of the guys.”

“You don’t become accepted by buying yourself a ticket to Vegas, following us around while we’re there when no one really invited you, and then crying – again – when Jens calls you out on it.”

“Is there anything I can do to be friends with you?”

“Well, right now I have enough friends and I don’t need any more friends,” I said. “Is that it? Are we done here?”

He let out a deep breath. “Yeah, I guess.”

“Good.” I got up and left.

and his official story of the lee murray beat down on tito ortiz in england

Below is an excerpt (provided by The Sun) of Matt Hughes new biography entitled "Made In America". In the excerpt to follow, Hughes is relaying a story told to him by Pat Miletich:

“Are you serious?” I asked Pat.

“Hold on, it gets even better. The entire alley erupted into a huge brawl. I was just standing there, and there were bodies flying all over the place."

“I was confused how it all happened, because it happened so fast. I was standing there with my mouth open like ‘what the hell is going on?’

“I looked over and Chuck Liddell was with his back against the wall, knocking people out that were trying to go after him."

“Then I looked over and there’s Tito directly past me, taking his coat off, going after Lee Murray, and Lee Murray’s backing up the alley taking his jacket off."

“Both their jackets come off, and Tito throws a left hook at Lee Murray and misses, and right as he missed, Lee Murray counters with, like, a five-punch combo, landed right on the chin, and knocked Tito out. OUT."

“Tito fell face-first down to the ground, and then Lee Murray stomped him on the face a couple of times with his boots."

“Then Tony Fryklund and I grabbed Lee and pushed Lee and said ‘Get out of here!’ And Lee said ‘I’m sorry, I’ll see you later,’ and took off. And Tony Fryklund helped Tito to his feet."

[Cromwell]

leave it to matt hughes to make me actually like tim sylvia



Good stuff. I'll definitely read that book.

Hey - anybody got a link to tonights UFC matches?

[mendozathejew]

Im sorry Cromwell. but dumb friend picked me up early to go watch it. were you able to get the links? tvu always has the mma channel, sopcast needs specific addresses from that forum

[mendozathejew]

I never thought Id see matt hughes manhandled the way he was tonight. oh well, couldnt have happened to a nicer guyhttp://i14.tinypic.com/8bikldw.gif

and wanderlei was more shot than I suspected. his legs were shaky and hands slow from the start. nice fight and win for liddell though.

but I think Machida would easily handle him, and I hate to say it, it wont surprise me if he handles Rampage as well. he is damn good

one more thing on wanderlei- and this goes for boxers and mma fighters alike. that move up to Heavy Weight is not to be done unless you plan on retiring when/if you lose there. especially for old fighters, young fighters can get away with it I guess. but old ones can not do it, and then move back down to lhw or cruiserweight. same shit happened to roy jones. you cant move back down afterwards, it takes too much out the fighter

[Capt.Caveman]

I sucked with my picks 4 for 9....yuck.. the liddell silva fight was worth the price of admission. what a fight. ryoto impressed the shit out of me good call mendoza.I knew he was good but i thought sock-a-jew was a beast. i guess ryoto dicovered his weakness....put him on his back. st pierre was great out wrestled matt hughes that's ridiculous. looking foward to st pierre vs fitch