Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Capt.Caveman]

Elite XC

Lawler TKO Rua 3rd rd
Diaz wins by split decision

[av8rOC]

Elite XC

Lawler TKO Rua 3rd rd
Diaz wins by split decision

I enjoyed the card last night. Diaz kinda looked like shit except for the few seconds he spent on the ground, dont ask me why he didnt try to take him down.

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter....who would have ever thought. Then again Lawler looked bigger/better than I ever remember him.

As much as I would like to see both those guys back in the UFC it's nice to have a little competition and watch live free MMA.:clap:

[Capt.Caveman]

I enjoyed the card last night. Diaz kinda looked like shit except for the few seconds he spent on the ground, dont ask me why he didnt try to take him down.

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter....who would have ever thought. Then again Lawler looked bigger/better than I ever remember him.

As much as I would like to see both those guys back in the UFC it's nice to have a little competition and watch live free MMA.:clap:

I'd rather have the best guys all in one place and. wec elite xc pride kotc being like farm system for young fighters

[mendozathejew]

Lawler looked nasty. Yet another example of a Pride standout getting pwned by a mediocre UFC fighter..:

Im not sure Ninja was even mediocre by Prides 185 pound standards.


he did give Rampage a humiliating scrap. rampage tried to give the trophy they give to all winners to Ninja cause he received such a gift decision.

other than that, Ninja never really did much, especially at 185. and he lost his last two fights in pride

[mik3]

What mediocre UFC fighter has beaten a Pride standout?

Cro Cop is pretty past his prime and got beat by one of the best HW in the world in his second UFC fight. His last fight was garbage though.

[TheGooch]

Nick Diaz beat the fuckin tar off Gomi. Before that, he was stepping stone to Karo Parisyan, Joe Riggs along with others.

Crocop is not past his prime. Just this past New Years he kicked Wanderlei Silva's fat head off. He came to UFC thinking that the competition was lesser and he might have peaked then...but far from past prime.

The truth is PRIDE was tremendously overrated b/c it had more mystique. Truth is it was a dirty organization with fixed fights and mob ties. You'll never know who got to their position due to real fights or dirty plays. But to watch them crumble is quite a show...and great TV

[mik3]

So, what happens when Pride guys continue to destroy 205 in UFC? That the Pride 205 champion gave Rampage a 100x better fight than Chuck did? Or that the Pride 205 champion hung with the UFC 205 champion, even though he's really a 185?

UFC has good fighters. To call Ninja one of the top Pride fighters is funny though. His brother might be the best fighter in the world, but Ninja is just a higher level fighter.

[mendozathejew]

Nick Diaz beat the fuckin tar off Gomi. Before that, he was stepping stone to Karo Parisyan, Joe Riggs along with others.

Crocop is not past his prime. Just this past New Years he kicked Wanderlei Silva's fat head off. He came to UFC thinking that the competition was lesser and he might have peaked then...but far from past prime.

The truth is PRIDE was tremendously overrated b/c it had more mystique. Truth is it was a dirty organization with fixed fights and mob ties. You'll never know who got to their position due to real fights or dirty plays. But to watch them crumble is quite a show...and great TV

meanwhile rampage beat the best UFC light heavyweight ever. and he lost to prides best 205 lb fighters brutally THREE times

anderson silva lost his last TWO fights in pride.

last I checked both fighters are the ufc champions at 205 and 185. really, CC is the only example of a pride fighter failed in the UFC. and he physically looks like shit. you can not honestly argue he hasnt lost considerable speed and reflexes.

the pride vs ufc argument was an old argument, about fighters in 2002 to 2005. it wasnt about which organization has better profits, or which ceo is better. UFC was a better run organization. that much is obvious

but the comparison was supposed to be about fighters, not suits. and these fighters dont operate in a vacuum. its 2007. not 2003 or 04 etc. people age, some improve, some regress.

its foolish to argue that one org was better than the other 3 or 4 years ago based on fights today. that goes BOTH WAYS.

you cant act like pride was overrated and ignore that rampage and anderson silva basically were washed out of Pride and couldnt cut it back then. But times change

[av8rOC]

So, what happens when Pride guys continue to destroy 205 in UFC? That the Pride 205 champion gave Rampage a 100x better fight than Chuck did? Or that the Pride 205 champion hung with the UFC 205 champion, even though he's really a 185?

UFC has good fighters. To call Ninja one of the top Pride fighters is funny though. His brother might be the best fighter in the world, but Ninja is just a higher level fighter.


Dude he got smoked by Lawler....a UFC reject. Ninja was a big name in Pride I dont care what you say.

Cro-Cop past his prime? Are you on crack? The guy just won the fucking OWGP! Hes 1-2 against UFC lower eschelon fighters. (Gonzaga was up and coming fairly unknown before that fight) And what about Nogueira's embarrasing performance against Heath Herring? Nick Diaz subbing Gomi. Hughes over Sakurai. Hell Matt Lindland, a natural MW and UFC vet put up a damn good fight against JC himself, Fedor.

Im not implying that Pride fighters suck and cant hang with UFC guys, Im just surprised at some performances since Pride has dissolved. Anderson Silva, Rampage and Hendo have all performed well so far. Im sure Shogun and Wandy will as well.

[mendozathejew]

Dude he got smoked by Lawler....a UFC reject. Ninja was a big name in Pride I dont care what you say.


Ninja was a Pride reject. he lost his last two fights in pride long ago. his last name us rua, but the wrong rua. your really being ignorant on this one.

ninja wasnt even a top 10 pride 185 fighter. his record was 5 wins 7 losses in pride. if his last name wasnt Rua we probably wouldnt even remember his name

[av8rOC]

Ninja was a Pride reject. he lost his last two fights in pride long ago. his last name us rua, but the wrong rua. your really being ignorant on this one.

ninja wasnt even a top 10 pride 185 fighter. his record was 5 wins 7 losses in pride. if his last name wasnt Rua we probably wouldnt even remember his name

Maybe so, but all his losses in Pride were against top competition....Rampage, Henderson, Fihlo, Kang, Randleman.

[novalia]

pride was fun to watch..
i have some great memories.

[mendozathejew]

Maybe so, but all his losses in Pride were against top competition....Rampage, Henderson, Fihlo, Kang, Randleman.

his most impressive showing was the loss to rampage, which it seemed even rampage didnt think he deserved. other than that ninja couldnt hang in Pride

Kang was supposed to be in the first TUF. but Pride snatched him away at the last second.

[mendozathejew]

Hamill beat the shit out of Bisping with a torn ACL, he needs surgery. he said in this mumble mouth interview that this is the reason he avoided fighting on the ground

http://www.fistfirstfighting.com/ext_player.php?id=113

[Cromwell]

Hamill beat the shit out of Bisping with a torn ACL, he needs surgery. he said in this mumble mouth interview that this is the reason he avoided fighting on the ground

Meaning he could have dominated even more. I like the way Hamil shows how to sign "you got hosed" :icon_mrgr

Some good MMA on the tube tomorrow:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN11_EMAILBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN11_EMAILBLAST_02.jpg

Love the K-Flo :icon_cool

I've also started this season TUF topic in the TV forum http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=75643

[Capt.Caveman]

I've read a bunch of posts about Pride guys being chumps...It's just not so....Anderson Silvas a pride guy is he a scrub? Kang, Shogun, Fedor and Silva I'm real excited to see in the UFC. Fedor vs Arlovski would be the best fight imo.

[mendozathejew]

Meaning he could have dominated even more. I like the way Hamil shows how to sign "you got hosed" :icon_mrgr

Id like to watch karen mayer and matt hamill try to talk to eachother

[av8rOC]

Hoooold on there dude.. I never called Pride guys chumps. I just said I was surprised at some of their performances since leaving for other orgs.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hoooold on there dude.. I never called Pride guys chumps. I just said I was surprised at some of their performances since leaving for other orgs.

then i misread. i'm sorry i am an over-reacting douche:action-sm

[Awful Me]

Ooooh! Fight Night Live on Spike right now.

Pete Sell vs Nate Quarry was a serious punch for punch brawl. That was one of the best (street fight) stand up fights I have seen in awhile.

Nate Diaz really should have gold teeth....

[mendozathejew]

quarry and sell was basically two white savages punching eachother with awful technique. great entertainment. pretty amateurish as for as technique though. quarry doesnt look like he has alot left.

[mendozathejew]

melvin mahoef from last week k1 heroes. no ground game but his stand up is frightening

http://i15.tinypic.com/68aq0t4.gif
http://i8.tinypic.com/67zh1ub.gif

[mik3]

quarry and sell was basically two white savages punching eachother with awful technique. great entertainment. pretty amateurish as for as technique though. quarry doesnt look like he has alot left.
Pretty much. If you're 35 with 15 pro fights and you're dumb enough to get into that fight with Sell then you almost deserve to lose.

[mendozathejew]

Pretty much. If you're 35 with 15 pro fights and you're dumb enough to get into that fight with Sell then you almost deserve to lose.

long brawls with pete sell will always be exciting. and hes always gona get his lights turned out. he should have tried to physically overhwelm quarry when he buzzed him at the beginning of the fight. and in the second round as well.

hes very amateurish in his boxing but hes very strong. give people enough time, they'll pick him apart

[mik3]

long brawls with pete sell will always be exciting. and hes always gona get his lights turned out. he should have tried to physically overhwelm quarry when he buzzed him at the beginning of the fight. and in the second round as well.

hes very amateurish in his boxing but hes very strong. give people enough time, they'll pick him apart
If Sell pretty much did anything up against the cage in the first two rounds then he probably wins the fight.

[mendozathejew]

If Sell pretty much did anything up against the cage in the first two rounds then he probably wins the fight.

he was afraid of getting hitafter hurting his opponent like terry martin just did by leben. assuming thats when the opponent is most dangerous. which is often true. and I think Sell was afraid that would happen just like Scott Smith did to him.

but hes not nearly technically sound or skilled enough to take the foot off the pedal and let the fight play out.

[mik3]

Nope, not at all. Even when he was landing the right in the first two rounds he just kept ducking his head in there to get hit. Nate knew he'd eventually hurt him.

[mendozathejew]

that Leben win really puts into perspective how hard Anderson Silva strikes. Cause he turned out Lebens lights like it was childs play. and Terry Martin drilled Leben in rounds 1 and 3, and hes supposed to have lights out power himself

[sniper]

GOOD! That's what you get when you get cocky, silly negro. Much deserved.

[chutzd]

I use to like terry martin, but the man douche cow sponser on his trunks makes me hate him. Wackbag needs to sponser J-Lo in his next fight, I'll throw in some money

[Standby]

GOOD! That's what you get when you get cocky, silly negro. Much deserved.

I was glad Leben won so they can continue to book him and have him get the shit beat out of him.

My God, someone else noticed the Mancow sponsor. I don't know how it didn't get mentioned until the last post.

Florian/Thomas was a great fight, but I really wasn't impressed by the other fights too much. But MMA is MMA, and I can't wait for this weekend.

[novalia]

i thought diaz was pretty good to watch..
leban fight was entertaining..
the florian fight started out sucky and ended suckier.. thomas blew out his knew on the shoot.. tough luck..
ugh the quarry fight was awful to me.. quarry almost punches like a girl.. his technique at least.. and he is slow oh so slow.. and sell should just be done in the ufc.. both of them are going nowhere..

what was nice was the first parts of the broadcast where their mics werent working.. it was refreshing to go into a commercial break without hearing "COMING UP NEXT.."

[Standby]

what was nice was the first parts of the broadcast where their mics werent working.. it was refreshing to go into a commercial break without hearing "COMING UP NEXT.."

Glad someone else mentioned that. I loved it, you got to hear JUST the fight. Adds some sort of brutal realism to it. Obviously a glitch but damn did the fight sound awesome when all you had mic'd was the octagon.

[Cromwell]

I enjoyed all the fights.

Quarry - Sell was a good old fashion punchout. As I said in the TUF topic - a bad night all around for Serrra. Saw Ray Longo there corning Sell too. Am very interesting in checking out his stand-up fighting classes. Unfortunately, the magic he work with Serra v. GSP can't be reproduced with Sell.

Leben - Martin - again, similar. Leben gets hit a couple of times on the button and just comes forward to deliver the knockout punch. That to me is exciting. Like he saids, "he's got a button on his face where when you hit it, his arm comes out". That's true fighting. You don't back up - you press forward and just throw-em. Last man standing.

I was impressed with K-Flo. He was tentative until that asshole "Din" (typical BS misspelling or mispronunciation of a name) was stupid enough to mock him him in the ring. That's when Kenny got pissed and turned it on. I don't care about blown out knees or whatever - it was Kenny pressing the action that forced it - K-Flo kicked his ass.

[Capt.Caveman]

I wish leben would have got ko'd I can't stand him. Sell is the unluckiest guy in mma. Florian looked good agian

[burky79]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1416539417_fbc0cab723_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1240/1417419360_17febcf1d0_o.jpg (http://76.ufc.com/)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1108/1417419410_e0ca1d9b6f_o.jpg (http://video.ufc.tv/76/ufc76_preview.html)

[mik3]

For all that is good, Jardine by KO. And I hope Shogun puts on a hell of a show.

[Capt.Caveman]

lidell by ko in 1

sanchez by unan dec

and for the upset griffin ko 3rd

[mik3]

If Griffin knocked out Shogun I think that'd be one of the bigger MMA upsets in recent history.

[Capt.Caveman]

it only takes 1

[GDRC]

Liddell by 2nd round KO
Shogun by 1st round KO
Sanchez 3rd round dec.

[burky79]

UFC 76 : Knocout thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=75995)



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[Capt.Caveman]

Hey any NJ people know of anywhere they televise the fight? My buddy can't get it tonite and I can't remember my ppv block code!!!!! i'n off x 117 gsp. the only place I know of is hooters on 22 but i really don't feel like driving that far

[Suicidebree]

I live off 117. I would invite you over but my girlfriend is making me go out with her friends so I'm missing it too. If you can wait till morning and know how to use torrents the PPV is usually up my 8am on most sites. If not here is one location that definatly is and is fairly close. dont know anything about the place.

NJ South Amboy Prime Time Sports Bar 732 721-6555.

There is also a small chance that fourth quarter sports bar in highlands, its brand new if you havent heard of it may get it. They have like 20 TVS. Call there and ask.

Also hooters in union has it but that may be the one you were talking about, its a 20 min ride.

[mik3]

If you can't find anywhere send me a PM and I'll give you info on how to watch it online live.

[Suicidebree]

I enjoyed all the fights.

Quarry - Sell was a good old fashion punchout. As I said in the TUF topic - a bad night all around for Serrra. Saw Ray Longo there corning Sell too. Am very interesting in checking out his stand-up fighting classes. Unfortunately, the magic he work with Serra v. GSP can't be reproduced with Sell.

I was impressed with K-Flo. He was tentative until that asshole "Din" (typical BS misspelling or mispronunciation of a name) was stupid enough to mock him him in the ring. That's when Kenny got pissed and turned it on. I don't care about blown out knees or whatever - it was Kenny pressing the action that forced it - K-Flo kicked his ass.

I disagree on both points. I thought Sell looked much better than in the past, I hope Dana gives him another shot. That guy from Serra's team that lost had no heart. Matt knew it but he was loyal.

I like Thomas and all the shit Kenny talks about ebing a finsiher, Din was right to mock him. Loved what I saw right after that out of Florian. I think Din's knee was bad. You could tell hwo bad it hurt and he didnt wanna move or quit.

[Capt.Caveman]

I disagree on both points. I thought Sell looked much better than in the past, I hope Dana gives him another shot. That guy from Serra's team that lost had no heart. Matt knew it but he was loyal.

I like Thomas and all the shit Kenny talks about ebing a finsiher, Din was right to mock him. Loved what I saw right after that out of Florian. I think Din's knee was bad. You could tell hwo bad it hurt and he didnt wanna move or quit.

pete sell is the unluckiest man in mma

[Cromwell]

Regarding last night's fights
(and I suppose I understand there might be a separate "viewing thread", but that certainly shouldn't negate us from talking about *anything* MMA in this thread)

You gotta give props to Keith Jackson's Albuquerque team. Jardine had a great gameplan and he used it. Lidell, once again, didn't prepare well enough for his opponent. I suspect he read too many of his clippings and thinks all he has to do is show up.

Jardine used his leg kicks the entire fight and Lidell had nothing to counter it.

Jardine is also just as big and as strong as Chuck. Yeah, it was a close split-decision - and surely Chuck *did* do damage to Keith - but Lidell can't think he got "screwed" by the judges choice (and I'm not saying he thinks that, but as of yet, I don't see any post-fight interview from him).

As for Griffin - all I can say is "Wow"!

He really showed something. In his post-fight interview, he says "yeah, I can do jiu-jitsu" too." Ha, ha. It was almost reluctant. As if to say, he still perfers the stand-up slug fests. He 's now a top contender at 205.

Fitch is also a rising star that should be given title fight consideration. He beat a very good fighter in Sanchez.

One could say "upsets" all around - but when you think about it - at this level - are they really upsets?

[burky79]

Regarding last night's fights
(and I suppose I understand there might be a separate "viewing thread", but that certainly shouldn't negate us from talking about *anything* MMA in this thread)
(i created that thread for people to talk about that specific UFC, while it was on and shortly after...

not as a "anything to do with UFC 76 from now on must be talked about here thread".

sortta like every day we have an O&A listening thread for that day specifically. no thread nazi-ing goin on here :) )

You gotta give props to Keith Jackson's Albuquerque team. Jardine had a great gameplan and he used it. Lidell, once again, didn't prepare well enough for his opponent. I suspect he read too many of his clippings and thinks all he has to do is show up.

Jardine used his leg kicks the entire fight and Lidell had nothing to counter it.

Jardine is also just as big and as strong as Chuck. Yeah, it was a close split-decision - and surely Chuck *did* do damage to Keith - but Lidell can't think he got "screwed" by the judges choice (and I'm not saying he thinks that, but as of yet, I don't see any post-fight interview from him).

As for Griffin - all I can say is "Wow"!

He really showed something. In his post-fight interview, he says "yeah, I can do jiu-jitsu" too." Ha, ha. It was almost reluctant. As if to say, he still perfers the stand-up slug fests. He 's now a top contender at 205.

Fitch is also a rising star that should be given title fight consideration. He beat a very good fighter in Sanchez.

One could say "upsets" all around - but when you think about it - at this level - are they really upsets?

as far as the Liddell/Jardine fight, I totally agree.
Chuck was looking for that one shot (which he is usually right on with), and in the first round, yeah, he can take some kicks and get by with no worse for the wear, if and only if he KO's his opponent.. well not with Jardine.

Jardine knew Chucks setup for the KO inside and out... he avoided it and wore Chuck down through the rounds, since Chuck obviously thought he could stand those kicks and still get the one shot... he never defended them properly (or at all in some of the kicks).

poor gameplan by Chuck and being a 1 dimensional fighter (i use that loosley, but in that fight he limited himself) he is gonna get weeded out by more rounded fighters, with better game plans specific to his style.

i applaud Chucks "fight anyone they put in front of him" attitude, but i think he prepares that way too... for anyone.

todays fights must be calculated per opponent.

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Forrest was great. he tailored his fight to Rua's style. same reason Jardine won. good prep pre fight.

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Fitch had oppertunity to finish and didn't capitalize is the only thing i can see wrong in his fight.

other than that he looks like an amazing physical specimen, with insane core strength and great sub defense.

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all in all great fights last night and just more added into the continuosly evolving sport of MMA... constant matuartion.

[mendozathejew]

wanderlei during the liddell jardine fight
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/Okkun/mma/mayhem_lurking.gif
and after
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x136/ILLTU/wanderleimayhem.gif

and mayhem miller being a silly goose in the background

[mendozathejew]

better gif
http://i9.tinypic.com/4xojspk.gif mayhem is insane

[burky79]

mayhem is insane

x2

dude is f-in nutzoid!

bet hed be a good interview fro da boys.

love his grill :D

[mendozathejew]

x2

dude is f-in nutzoid!

bet hed be a good interview fro da boys.

love his grill :D

they really should try and get more mma guys on air, the ones that have personalities. (like the used to with wrestling) I hope rampage is on air again, especially for a more active show where he can interact. mayhem would be great like you said.

the UFC show in newark is probably the best time to try and get some of these guys on. the boys are never gona be mma experts, but they can make good radio, non mma related, like no one else can.

[av8rOC]

So Mendoza, the "good" Rua just lost to a TUFer. How many more guys have to get embarrased before you acknowledge Pride's failure against other org's?

[novalia]

Liddell by 2nd round KO
Shogun by 1st round KO
Sanchez 3rd round dec.

haha you stink =)

[novalia]

they really should try and get more mma guys on air, the ones that have personalities.

that's what i loved so much about Pride.

edit: woops you meant on O&A.. i meant the UFC show.. always the same boring "i am going to beat him up" pre interview nonsense on the UFC shows... stupid kicking and punching in a shower of water..

come on guys get creative.. just interview the fighter and let him have some personality..
i am going to punch him
he thinks he's going to punch me but i am going to submit him
he can try to submit me but....

b o r i n g.

[mendozathejew]

So Mendoza, the "good" Rua just lost to a TUFer. How many more guys have to get embarrased before you acknowledge Pride's failure against other org's?

I guess its only the Pride fighters who werent good enough to win the belt 3 or 4 years ago who succeed in the UFC and dethrone its posters boys:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

Pride and UFC arguement is just silly. Sho gun came in out of shape. I don't know if he thought he was gonna run thru forest or what. Fedor is still a beast want to see him in the cage. rampage and A. Sliva are both pride guys and they're champs. So that arguement is just silly. Both org's have great fighters. I'm excited that they will all be in the same org. If they don't go to lesser ones like elite xc and bodog. The best fighters need to be in the UFC period

[mik3]

And remember, Gomi's not here, Arona's not here, Filho's in WEC.

UFC needs to pay more attention to the lighter weights with 205 pretty much full at this point. Use their WEC stake to get Farber/Filho/Condit fighting in the UFC>

[av8rOC]

Im not trying to say one is better than the other, I have been a Pride fan for years and aside from 170lbs always felt their fighters were superior. Im shocked at how poor most of them have done and am surprised some of you wont acknowledge it.
Yes Rampage and Silva have the belt but aside from those guys damn....

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

[mendozathejew]

Im not trying to say one is better than the other, I have been a Pride fan for years and aside from 170lbs always felt their fighters were superior. Im shocked at how poor most of them have done and am surprised some of you wont acknowledge it.
Yes Rampage and Silva have the belt but aside from those guys damn....

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

lots of factors here. steroids are likely an issue. but at the same time wed be fools to believe ufc fighters dont abuse them as well, aside from those who we already know have tested positive for them.

sherdog, which is usually an awful exchange of troll like ideas, actually had some interesting posts on this- comparing the rules and ring of ufc vs pride to tennis with hard court, grass, and clay. it changes the competition, favors some over others. ufc favors wrestlers/boxers, pride a little more favors kickboxers/jj. factor in ring/cage, yellow cards in pride, knees to downed opponents, and others.

I'll say my feeling again, that pride vs ufc was an old argument, from 2003 to 2005. thats when it really started, and meant something. after 05' the sport, its athletes and the specific orgs began to change drastically.

and these athletes dont live in a vacuum where its all the same a few years later in 2007 and 2008. we wont ever know who, in their primes, would win between wanderlei and liddell. theyve both lost their past 2 fights. wanderlei more viciously, but they are definitely on the downside.

and still dont really have all the info, matchups and results you would need to sort this out even years later when the sport is different. Liddell and Cro Cop seem to have been exposed not as frauds, but overrated. nog fought a fellow former pride fighter who hes faced before, and those two always brawl- nothing is known about Nog yet in the UFC. Fedor, along with Couture is the most inteligent and well prepared fighter in the world. His entrance to the UFC presumably against Randy will tell alot. Hendo at 185, Filho eventually at 185 in UFC would have to happen.

another factor- look at all the elite UFC fighters who have lost this year. it tells you that elite fighters in general have been losing in surprising fashion all year, regardless of their previous organizaiton affiliation

[Capt.Caveman]

I seriously think steroid abuse was rampant in the Pride org. I just dont see any other explanation.

def agree with you on that one. that could be the REASON SOME OF THESE GUYS ARE TAKING SO LONG TO COME OVER

[Suicidebree]

ANyone ahve any clue when presale tickets go on sale for Newark. thought I saw that tickets go on sale saturday but I thought the presale for fight club members was before that. Was goignt o buy the membership at that time. Anybody have a membership that can tell me?

Also Tito and Rashad better not be the main event.

[mik3]

Shogun having knee surgery friday. Said he couldn't run or anything during training due to it.

Might also be part of the reason he wanted to take it to the ground so quick.

[mendozathejew]

Shogun having knee surgery friday. Said he couldn't run or anything during training due to it.

Might also be part of the reason he wanted to take it to the ground so quick.

on sherdog someone translated (poorly) the portugese interview with Shogun. he basically said

he was sad, it was the worst defeat of his career
he has never gassed like that before, but the error was his, as he didnt train as well as griffin did.
the stand up fight was too tiring so he tried taking it to the ground

he has torn ligaments in one of his knees. he trained sufficiently but it wasnt enough. he has surgery on friday on the knee and wont train for 3 months

“The goal is the belt, the fight continues”



he will definitely have the pressure on him when he returns to prove this is or is not all hes capable of. wanderlei wants to fight griffin now, but forrest's cut will keep him away from the ring for a while. forrest says he has a whole in his face

[Standby]

he will definitely have the pressure on him when he returns to prove this is or is not all hes capable of. wanderlei wants to fight griffin now, but forrest's cut will keep him away from the ring for a while. forrest says he has a whole in his face

How do you not love that kid? He's got a way with words that always gets a chuckle out of me.

As for the UFC 78 PPV, I got an email that people on the JL list got, but I'm not sure being from NJ or Northern VA depending on what benefits me, will make it work.

Don't want to give details, but I'm sure a few of you got it and wanted to see what people thought. PMs wouldn't hurt to talk specifics, I just don't want to open up information to people JL's people may not want.

[Cromwell]

lots of factors here. steroids are likely an issue.



Speaking of 'roids - I heard a very disturbing rumor. Well, more like an opinion, but from someone I really respect.

One of my sensei's at the dojo I train at - who by the way is a third degree black belt (san dan) - and who has gone out to train with Randy Couture - he seems to think that there is no way Randy can do the things he does today - without the fact that he's taking steriods.

The guy is 44 years old - cut like a 20 year old - and had thrown guys much bigger than him around now, for his last few matches. Yet, at 205 he got knocked out by Chuck Lidell.

When I brought this subject up in a messaging chat with our own Rance - he said he'd be "shocked" if Randy was on the juice.

Joe said that he is just fanatical about his diet and exercise regimen.

I'd like to believe that. However, the scientific usage of steriods (much like Schwartzenegger did back in his bodybuilding days) certainly would explain a lot.

My question to my sensei was - if he is on 'roids - then how does he pass the testing?

He didn't really have an answer for that.

What do you guys think?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Randy has been wrestling for what, close to thirty years or more? I'd say it's just his work ethic, as he doesn't come off like an arrogant douche like most juice heads, IMO.

[mendozathejew]

randy has become an idol. but alot of people talk about him on "performance enhancers." wed all be fools to believe steroids arent very common in the UFC despite testing. there are many ways to get around it because there are so many really skilled people out there who know how.

and hgh is whole nother issue. and doctors are prescribing it to middle aged men commonly now, for non athletic/competitive purposes. some people are also just genetic freaks, atleast we think- like bernard hopkins and randy couture. no one else is really doing anything like this at their ages, on top of their game and champs at 40 +.

but no one wants to believe randy couture is on steroids. or atleast most people dont want to think that. who knows

[Cromwell]

Randy has been wrestling for what, close to thirty years or more? I'd say it's just his work ethic, as he doesn't come off like an arrogant douche like most juice heads, IMO.

That's what I think too.

Its funny that a guy I totally respect - and who knows Randy a lot better than many of us - would think that.

He did give props to Randy and his Greco Roman wrestling skills - as for the reason why he can pick guys that weigh 250-275 up and slam them to the mat.

Simply put (and to quote Joe Rogan) - "that guy is my hero!"

[mendozathejew]

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3425/naturoidposter2jj1kf4.jpg

[mendozathejew]

wanderlei I think is a serious juicer

but at this point, I think tons of athletes are at a minimum taking the HGH. and theres no test for it. and doctors are handing this shit out to middle aged men like asprin.

and young athletes take it before they make it to the big time. especially in baseball. they take that shit growing up in the dominican republic. or in the A ball. and the effects are permanent

[Cromwell]

randy has become an idol. but alot of people talk about him on "performance enhancers." wed all be fools to believe steroids arent very common in the UFC despite testing. there are many ways to get around it because there are so many really skilled people out there who know how.


Hmmmmm. This is just the sort of opinion I was looking for.




and hgh is whole nother issue. and doctors are prescribing it to middle aged men commonly now, for non athletic/competitive purposes. some people are also just genetic freaks, atleast we think- like bernard hopkins and randy couture. no one else is really doing anything like this at their ages, on top of their game and champs at 40 +.


Roger Clemens.


but no one wants to believe randy couture is on steroids. or atleast most people dont want to think that. who knows

Interesting observation.

wanderlei I think is a serious juicer

but at this point, I think tons of athletes are at a minimum taking the HGH. and theres no test for it.


Really? They don't test for this? Then its not a "banned substance"?


and doctors are handing this shit out to middle aged men like asprin.


No shit? Maybe I need to look into this. I've already got a script for Cialis :icon_mrgr - and I take creatine to enhance my workouts - perhaps there is more I can do.


and young athletes take it before they make it to the big time. especially in baseball. they take that shit growing up in the dominican republic. or in the A ball. and the effects are permanent

You sound like you are endorsing this, mendoza.

Are there no negative side-effects?

[Suicidebree]

There are guys walking around my gym older than him equally as ripped. The guys whole life is working out and he has his own line of pills of every kind. With all those supplements it more than possible for him to be no pun intended , natural. His dirty boxing and greco make him what he is.

Are there no negative side-effects?
Caveman forehead. Its why alot of people thing rogan is on it, I've heard both matt hughes and tank abott acuse joe of it.

[Cromwell]

With all those supplements it more than possible for him to be no pun intended , natural.


I'm going to have to look into his supplements then. I'll take them myself. :icon_cool




His dirty boxing and greco make him what he is.


Of course - the talent.

On the "side effects" question:


Caveman forehead. Its why alot of people thing rogan is on it, I've heard both matt hughes and tank abott acuse joe of it.

Rogan is ridiculously ripped. His arms get bigger each UFC Fight Night.

But then again - there's Carrot Top and Danny Bonaduce.

So - what's a little "caveman forehead" if the tradeoff is intimidating guns. :icon_wink

[Suicidebree]

Jersey PPV reportedly just got tito vs Dan henderson as the main event instead of tito rashad. very cool.

[av8rOC]

Jersey PPV reportedly just got tito vs Dan henderson as the main event instead of tito rashad. very cool.


Oh damn I hope thats true. I would love to see Hendo pound that huge melon around the Octogon for a few rounds.:clap:

[mendozathejew]

Oh damn I hope thats true. I would love to see Hendo pound that huge melon around the Octogon for a few rounds.:clap:

yeah talk about HGH side effects, Titos head has grown immensely. thats an hgh side effect. there are photos of tito where it looks like it was photo shopped. but no, thats really how big his head is.

that was the thing about bonds, imo. it wasnt that he took these steroids and hgh. its how much he took of it. he took everything, and lots of each, to the point of gross physical distortion of his skull.

[Cromwell]

yeah talk about HGH side effects, Titos head has grown immensely. thats an hgh side effect. there are photos of tito where it looks like it was photo shopped. but no, thats really how big his head is.

that was the thing about bonds, imo. it wasnt that he took these steroids and hgh. its how much he took of it. he took everything, and lots of each, to the point of gross physical distortion of his skull.

So 'doza - are you against any kind of HGH taking? Or do you not care?

[mendozathejew]

So 'doza - are you against any kind of HGH taking? Or do you not care?

for competition, Id rather it not exist. medically, no one knows the long term damages. Ive read articles that some doctors think it may be of use to people with all types of diseases, cause it will rebuild tissue that has been damaged b y illness.

theres an nfl coach who got suspended for the year for admitting to taking it because he thinks it may help his body cope with diabetes. he diidnt think the league would care about coaches taking it. I read some article about a doctor doing tests on it for crohnes disease.

but who knows what else its doing to the body. personally I think its a massive risk. but maybe Im wrong and barry bonds will live to 105.
and I know I definitely wouldnt take any of its benefits if Im gona have a dome shaped like barry bonds or tito ortiz' head

the problem I have in terms of competition, what do the athletes who dont want to take this shit do? they are at an immediate disadvantage. as much as Im a fan of rogan, its easy for a guy like him to argue its all evolution, it should all be allowed, when hes taken the shit. others might want to leave their bodies structure as is

[Suicidebree]

Fuuuck, UFC 78 tickets have been in presale all week. Was never able to find out until today was planning on joining. Hope there are decent seats left.

[av8rOC]

Anybody else know Keith Jardine is a badass viking techno dancer?

http://www.break.com/knockedupdvd/all-hail-technoviking.html

[Steam]

I thought tickets were supposed to go on sale at noon? I've been trying Ticketmaster and nothing. I just want tickets, dammit.

[Capt.Caveman]

Jacare signs with UFC

http://ufcmania.com/

[Suicidebree]

according to the prudential center tickets go on sale october sixth and i heard fight club members get them on the 2nd

[Standby]

Argh... doesn't look like I'll be able to make it up for the NJ PPV... Money's way too tight. Ah well, gotta hope they put one in DC at some point...

[Cromwell]

for competition, Id rather it not exist.


Well, that ship has sailed. But – pill supplements like Amino acids are cool, right?


medically, no one knows the long term damages. Ive read articles that some doctors think it may be of use to people with all types of diseases, cause it will rebuild tissue that has been damaged by illness.


This is true. Both my wife and daughter were given steriods when they were healing in the hospital.


theres an nfl coach who got suspended for the year for admitting to taking it because he thinks it may help his body cope with diabetes. he diidnt think the league would care about coaches taking it. I read some article about a doctor doing tests on it for crohnes disease.


My sister had that. I’ll bet they gave her ‘roids too.

That sucks about the coach. *He* should be allowed to take it. I didn’t think they even tested the coaches. He needs to talk to Randy (and learn all the secret tricks) :rolleyes:


but who knows what else its doing to the body. personally I think its a massive risk. but maybe Im wrong and barry bonds will live to 105.
and I know I definitely wouldnt take any of its benefits if Im gona have a dome shaped like barry bonds or tito ortiz' head


Ha! I’m not so sure about that. They’re still getting’ tail (Tito’s banging a famous porn star. Who the hell knows what Bonds is into. Probably Oscar De La Hoya-style underwear) :icon_mrgr


the problem I have in terms of competition, what do the athletes who dont want to take this shit do? they are at an immediate disadvantage. as much as Im a fan of rogan, its easy for a guy like him to argue its all evolution, it should all be allowed, when hes taken the shit. others might want to leave their bodies structure as is

Yeah, and Rogan is such a pot-head too.

Still, I like the guy.

Argh... doesn't look like I'll be able to make it up for the NJ PPV... Money's way too tight. Ah well, gotta hope they put one in DC at some point...

Noooooo!!!!

I wanted to do the MMA hang with you, man. :icon_cry:

Who else is gonna go?

We should all try to buy tickets nearby, so we can represent the 'bag.

[Palerider4146]

I'm trying to scrap the money together for the match also. If I sell my house within the next 5 days, I'll be perfect.

In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

[Capt.Caveman]

are the tickets on sale? I can't find them anywhere

[Suicidebree]

Here is the official info for ticket sales for UFC 78 in Newark:

UFC Fight Club Presale: Tuesday, October 2 at 10 am ET.(you can buy it on ticketmaster along with tickets)

Newsletter Presale: Thursday, October 4 at 10 am ET.

General Sales: Saturday, October 6 at 10 am ET.

[mendozathejew]

Well, that ship has sailed. But – pill supplements like Amino acids are cool, right?

yeah that ship has definitely sailed, for now. but there will eventually be an hgh test. then some new shit will come out

and since I know you like kickboxing crom, here are some gifs I came across from the k1 event this weekend

http://i24.tinypic.com/2d8hs85.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/b5r68o.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/rmtbf6.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/29o2uz4.gif

and this is from the middle weight title fight on saturday. GREAT fight, if you have HBO on demand I highly recommend watching this. first undisputed white middlweight champion in 3 or 4 decades.
http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/1575/kelly-pavlik_jermain-taylor.gif
http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/1577/Pavlik%20KO%20Taylor_4.gif

[Gotti420]

I just saw that Kongo and Nogueira are fighting at 79 for a shot at Randy. This is really looking like a great card.

[mendozathejew]

I just saw that Kongo and Nogueira are fighting at 79 for a shot at Randy. This is really looking like a great card.

alot better than the nog-mir match they were talking about last week

[Capt.Caveman]

mir is looking better lately let's hope he's 100% finally

[GDRC]

Here is the official info for ticket sales for UFC 78 in Newark:

UFC Fight Club Presale: Tuesday, October 2 at 10 am ET.(you can buy it on ticketmaster along with tickets)

Newsletter Presale: Thursday, October 4 at 10 am ET.

General Sales: Saturday, October 6 at 10 am ET.
Saw on MMAjunkie newsletter code is "ROGAN"

[Suicidebree]

Just bought my tickets for Newark on Presale: 128$ with fight club membership and all the hidden fees. I got fourth row mezzanine in the middle right at ten so they must be selling ok.

[Cromwell]

yeah that ship has definitely sailed, for now. but there will eventually be an hgh test. then some new shit will come out

and since I know you like kickboxing crom, here are some gifs I came across from the k1 event this weekend


Thanks for those, 'doza.

I do like the punching and kicking (more giving than receiving, as you might imagine :rolleyes:)



I'm trying to scrap the money together for the match also. If I sell my house within the next 5 days, I'll be perfect.


You wanna try to go for some reasonably priced ones, Pale? Drop me a PM. Wherever we're sitting - I'm sure we can meet up with everyone beforehand and mingle a bit. Maybe Rance will meet with us a bit afterwards.


In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

You would know, Mr. practioner of medicine :)

[Capt.Caveman]

The Lauzon/RANCE tally is now at 705 . I was in studio today but they never went to the crowd. I'll try again tomorrow. I just sent a bulletin on my myspace. If your not already one of my fake friends this is the bullitin i sent


Support an O n A fan/UFC fighter out and promote the show
Joe Lauzon is a UFC fighter and an Opie and Anthony fan. He is RANCE on wackbag.com He is fighting at UFC 78 in Newark. We are trying to sponsor him and promote wackbag at the same time. The wackbag logo will go on his shorts during his fight. We have raised $705 towards the $2250 it will take. You can donate as lil as $5 or as much as you want. Paypal is only accepted. Here is the link

[mendozathejew]

In regards to roids in medicine, it's used often for everything from chrones to asthma on a regular basis. Anything where a potent anti inflammatory is needed. I was given it back in college when I got heat stroke/severe dehydration. I had to carry a note from my doctor for the entire wrestling season in case I got pee tested.

yes prednisone is a cortisteroid for anti inflammation purposes. Ive been on it, Opie wasnt kidding when he said its the worst shit ever, even when it works.

but its not a testosterone producing steroid. its not anabolic. its in the same "drug family" as other steroids, has many of the same side effects, it doesnt add to muscle capabilities. infact, despite gaining weight on it, it makes you weaker for a period of time.

[av8rOC]

The Lauzon/RANCE tally is now at 705 . I was in studio today but they never went to the crowd. I'll try again tomorrow. I just sent a bulletin on my myspace. If your not already one of my fake friends this is the bullitin i sent


Support an O n A fan/UFC fighter out and promote the show
Joe Lauzon is a UFC fighter and an Opie and Anthony fan. He is RANCE on wackbag.com He is fighting at UFC 78 in Newark. We are trying to sponsor him and promote wackbag at the same time. The wackbag logo will go on his shorts during his fight. We have raised $705 towards the $2250 it will take. You can donate as lil as $5 or as much as you want. Paypal is only accepted. Here is the link

I think it's great that you guys want to support Joe but I dont understand why you want to put wackbag.com on his shorts. Does the site need more traffic? Do you think people will come here and go...hmm I should try listening to O&A cause this board is awesome!? Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.

[Cromwell]

Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.


Its only alternative to getting each of our individual names on there. :icon_mrgr

Seriously - the money goes to helping Joe pay bills and stuff when he trains.

He's a fan of the show like us - and a member of this message board.

Why not do it?

Its a good thing.

[Capt.Caveman]

I think it's great that you guys want to support Joe but I dont understand why you want to put wackbag.com on his shorts. Does the site need more traffic? Do you think people will come here and go...hmm I should try listening to O&A cause this board is awesome!? Is it just to see the boards name on TV? I don't get it.

it promotes the show ad gets the web site out there. It will cause a lot of buzz for the show and the site. Plus I want to support a fellow bagger/fighter. and I'm a RANCE fan. I liked him since he ko'd Pulver. Plus he beat a guy from my school

[Suicidebree]

Its only alternative to getting each of our individual names on there. :icon_mrgr

Seriously - the money goes to helping Joe pay bills and stuff when he trains.

He's a fan of the show like us - and a member of this message board.

Why not do it?

Its a good thing.

Plus it would be wicked cool.

[Capt.Caveman]

Plus it would be wicked cool.

and he's handsome.....no homo

[Palerider4146]

and he's handsome.....no homo


He is a strapping young buck! Have you seen those abs. Sorry Crom, I have been getting laid again, hehe!

[Cromwell]

He is a strapping young buck! Have you seen those abs. Sorry Crom, I have been getting laid again, hehe!


Heh, heh.

Alright.

Pale and I are in for this fight.

Just got the tickets through the Newsletter subscribers Presale.

Gonna see the Rance-man do his thing. :)


Oh, and they've just added Bisbing vs. Rashad to the card.

That should be a very interesting fight. :icon_cool

[Suicidebree]

Thiago Silva vs houston Alexander just added to UFc 78. Still a no marquee names. I wouldnt buy this on PPV and yet i am stuck with tickets.

[Cromwell]

Thiago Silva vs houston Alexander just added to UFc 78.


OK - some more confirmations.


Still no marquee names.


Gasp! Don't let Rance hear you saying that. :rolleyes:


I wouldnt buy this on PPV and yet i am stuck with tickets.

I think they want to promote 77 more first - before they start putting up the big names for 78.

[Palerider4146]

I would have thought you might have gotten Hughes/Serra at 78, considering that it would be a home match for Serra. Also should be toward the end of TUF.

I'm going to start a thread for people planning on going to the event live and try to set up pre and post fight meets. Maybe get Rance in there himself.

[Suicidebree]

I would have thought you might have gotten Hughes/Serra at 78, considering that it would be a home match for Serra. Also should be toward the end of TUF.

I'm going to start a thread for people planning on going to the event live and try to set up pre and post fight meets. Maybe get Rance in there himself.

I think the TUF finale is usually free on Spike. I'm out for the pre fight meeting. Going to a jui jitsu tournament during the day. I thin Rance said there is some sort of afterparty through a sponsor. probably in NewYork at a night club.

[Palerider4146]

The TUF finale will be, but I dont foresee them putting Hughes/Serra on for free. I would think that would be a PPV.

[Capt.Caveman]

UPCOMING UFC EVENTS

UFC 77

Franklin vs Silva
Sylvia vs Vera
Okami vs Mcdonald
Belcher vs Starnes
Shaefer vs Bonnar
Grice vs Black
Gurgel vs Robinson
Petz vs Burkman
Maia vs Jensen

UFC 78

Bisbing vs Evans
Alexander vs T. Silva
Edgar vs Fisher
Parysian vs Lombard
Chonan vs Alves
Rienhardt vs Lauzon (RANCE)
Terrell vs Herman
Gono vs Mccrory

UFC 79

Hoghes vs Serra
Kongo vs Nogueira
Lister vs Radev


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[mik3]

I want to see Alexander vs Silva.

It'll probably be the first fight where Alexander's opponent won't just let him dictate what goes on

[Gotti420]

UFC 79

Hoghes vs Serra
Kongo vs Nogueira
Lister vs Radev


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

BJ Penn along with Wanderlei Silva are also supposed to be fighting in Dec.

[Capt.Caveman]

BJ Penn along with Wanderlei Silva are also supposed to be fighting in Dec.

penn may be fighting either sherk (pending appeal) or stevenson for the lightweight title but nothing is set yet. silva i have no idea. i'm guessing he's gonna fight a 2nd teir fighter to pump him up

[Capt.Caveman]

looking at the fight card for 78 i hope rance makes the main card

[GDRC]

Nog vs Kongo not likely until early 2008, not the December card.
http://mmajunkie.com/2007/10/04/report-nogueira-vs-kongo-likely-in-early-2008/

[Six-Pack]

Anyone have a presale code for the November PPV (its in Jersey)? They allow the general public to buy tickets but are tacking on $75 per ticket for their club membership!!!

[av8rOC]

Anyone have a presale code for the November PPV (its in Jersey)? They allow the general public to buy tickets but are tacking on $75 per ticket for their club membership!!!

Try: ROGAN

[Cromwell]

Try: ROGAN

Yes, that's it. Its what I used yesterday to get my tickets.

I heard from a very reliable source that Penn will fight Stevenson for the title soon.

I am just a bit annoyed by this, as I think Kenny Florian deserves the shot.

Or at the very least, Stevenson should have to fight K-Flo first to see who is the most worthy to challenge for the title (Baby J being above question).

Hey Pale - that would be cool if they do have this UFC afterparty - we could then meet and greet with the (hopefully) victorious J-Lau there. :icon_cool

[av8rOC]

Yes, that's it. Its what I used yesterday to get my tickets.

I heard from a very reliable source that Penn will fight Stevenson for the title soon.

I am just a bit annoyed by this, as I think Kenny Florian deserves the shot.

Or at the very least, Stevenson should have to fight K-Flo first to see who is the most worthy to challenge for the title (Baby J being above question).

Hey Pale - that would be cool if they do have this UFC afterparty - we could then meet and greet with the (hopefully) victorious J-Lau there. :icon_cool

No way Crom. The 155 division is way too stacked to give Florian another shot so soon. I'm not saying hes not worthy, I just think other guys have earned their shot.
What is this argue with Cromwell day for me??:icon_mrgr:icon_mrgr:icon_mrgr

[mendozathejew]

florian probably does deserve another shot. but hes already been given one. and its really tough to know who ranks were at 155 right now. its not possible to really judge it, so a bunch of people need their first shots before florian gets a second

[mendozathejew]

the ufc hbo deal reached a dead end and isnt happening. but supposedly dana white has something else in the works, maybe espn.

[Standby]

I tell you the fight I'm looking forward to... and that's Cromwell vs. Po.

[Palerider4146]

So I heard the UFC 78 ad on the show today, looks like Bisping/Evans is the main event. I'm a little disappointed by that. Not that it shouldnt be a good fight, and if Evans wins may give him his title shot, but that should have been a good opportunity for Serra/Hughes. Give the champ a home crowd and all. Also should have matched up with the end of TUF. On top of that Karo was supposed to fight a judokan from Cuba, Hector Lombard, but sherdog is reporting Lombard cant get his Visa to the US. I also have yet to see Rances name officially on the card on the UFC website, I'm getting a little worried about that. Any thoughts Rancy my man?

In regards to HBO, Dana was quoted on sherdog that it will still happen. That both sides really want it and that it will eventually happen. Let me ask though. What would be better, HBO, or ESPN? Keep in mind that the IFL will soon be doing live fights on network (well, kind of network, with the Mynetworktv, echhh) very soon. Granted, just about everyone has cable now but that is still a pretty big coup.

[Gotti420]

Karo was supposed to fight a judokan from Cuba, Hector Lombard, but sherdog is reporting Lombard cant get his Visa to the US.

I heard about that, hopefully they'll get a good replacement. Fitch or Kos might be options

[Capt.Caveman]

hey anyone know where barnett, coleman, fedor and his bro, and hunt have been hiding. Barnett and fedor would make a run for the title. the other's are just fun to watch and would bolster the hwt division

[mendozathejew]

hey anyone know where barnett, coleman, fedor and his bro, and hunt have been hiding. Barnett and fedor would make a run for the title. the other's are just fun to watch and would bolster the hwt division

fedor's management team and dana white have been in negotiations for months. between russian management, and dana white you have two of the most stubborn forces known to man trying to reach a compromise. fedor wants to be able to compete in Sambo tournaments, and would like an mma push in russia.

all the guy does is train. he goes all over europe, has been really working on his muay thai.

Barnett and Dana White hate eachother. well dana white hates barnett, and the UFC is largely run based on dana whites personal feelings about fighters. doesnt seem likely that he'll be in the UFC. which is a shame cause hes definitely a top 5 HW, arguably top 3, has a ko win over Randy Couture, and probably matchups up against fedor better than anyone else. his win over nog in the open weight grand prix is one of my favorite fights ever. great ground work in that fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

Hackelmann says Liddell vs Silva ufc 79

Guida vs Huerta TUF Finale

http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic10720-1.html


http://www.mmaplayground.com/upcoming.aspx

[Cromwell]

I tell you the fight I'm looking forward to... and that's Cromwell vs. Po.

Ha, ha.
:icon_mrgr
You got it.

Here:
Here is the video I promised.
Better quality - http://www.sendspace.com/file/cbae9x

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/eddie1964/O%20And%20A%202007/10-08-07%20Cromwell%20vs%20Po/th_P1030331.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/eddie1964/O%20And%20A%202007/10-08-07%20Cromwell%20vs%20Po/?action=view&current=P1030331.flv)

and here
(with full audio)


Here's the clip of Master Po (Burgandy Shirt) and Cromwell (White T-Shirt) going at it.
zeWs3blCGP4

Thanks to Special Eddie and Anthony/Robe Soup & Tears for the recordings.

I also have yet to see Rances name officially on the card on the UFC website, I'm getting a little worried about that. Any thoughts Rancy my man?


Although I know you are really just trawling for a personal response from the Hilo-boy, its pretty obvious he is fighting at UFC 78. I mean – he had friends put together a complete road-trip package for everyone coming down from Massachusetts. You would know that if you read his emails and blogs. :rolleyes:

[novalia]

not to be a critic here but what were you doing in that video?
are you training? because it didnt look like you were trying to get him in your guard or anything defensive except well i dont know... serve him your head?

i suppose maybe you were being polite.. which is a bad move against that fucker.. he'd take any opportunity to make an example of you.. you should have been more aggressive is all i'm saying =)

[Gotti420]

Apparently Fedor has signed a deal with M-1

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/10/10/reports-fedor-emelianenko-chooses-m-1-over-ufc/

I really don't see how he can hold onto that #1 spot for much longer. The UFC has the best heavyweights in the world with the exception of Barnett so Fedor has no one to fight but hand-picked cans. He's turning into Frank Shamrock.

[mendozathejew]

has the best heavyweights in the world with the exception of Barnett so Fedor has no one to fight but hand-picked cans. He's turning into Frank Shamrock.

sad but true. barnett is a top 5 HW. arguably top 3, mma weekly has him at 3. hes very very good. thats a big fight for fedor. but after that? he can probably ground and pound the worlds best kickboxers but unless another org rises out of japan to compete for the top guys, I agree he cant hold onto #1 for too long after fighting barnett, assuming that happens

its still not confirmed though. but doesnt look good

[mendozathejew]

Speaking of 'roids - I heard a very disturbing rumor. Well, more like an opinion, but from someone I really respect.

One of my sensei's at the dojo I train at - who by the way is a third degree black belt (san dan) - and who has gone out to train with Randy Couture - he seems to think that there is no way Randy can do the things he does today - without the fact that he's taking steriods.

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/193372059

Randy “The Natural” Couture has been quoted as saying that there’s a “Steroid witch hunt” with him in the crosshairs. ONE DAY before UFC 74, Joe Rogan, the UFC’s color commentator, added fuel to this fire when he did a guest spot on ESPNEWS to promote the Pay-Per-View event by claiming that Couture had undergone “hormone replacement therapy” and applauded what modern science could do for older fighters......

Im a big fan of both. hopkins and couture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJb-R_6kEY

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/193372059

Randy “The Natural” Couture has been quoted as saying that there’s a “Steroid witch hunt” with him in the crosshairs. ONE DAY before UFC 74, Joe Rogan, the UFC’s color commentator, added fuel to this fire when he did a guest spot on ESPNEWS to promote the Pay-Per-View event by claiming that Couture had undergone “hormone replacement therapy” and applauded what modern science could do for older fighters......

Im a big fan of both. hopkins and couture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJb-R_6kEY

couture is just a ridiculous wrestler and worker. the guy out works 20 year olds. I personally don't think randy's juicing

[mendozathejew]

couture is just a ridiculous wrestler and worker. the guy out works 20 year olds. I personally don't think randy's juicing

thats just it. and hes never been more ripped. I doubt rogan was talking out of his ass. but we'll see. like I was saying a couple weeks ago, this is becoming a common treatment for middle aged men

[Cromwell]

not to be a critic here but what were you doing in that video?
are you training? because it didnt look like you were trying to get him in your guard or anything defensive except well i dont know... serve him your head?


Ha, ha.

Yeah, it certainly does look like that. :icon_mrgr

Truth be told, I didn't know what Po intended to do there, I was just sort of going in for a Judo tie-up.

But - give me credit for withstanding his choke-out attempt (think Matt Hughes vs BJ Penn) and actually getting out of it. You can see at the end I was on my feet. Yeah, Po was taking my back then, but by that time I had my chin tucked, I had both hands on his arm - he no longer had the choke.

We weren't throwing strikes - so it really wasn't a full-on match.

It was more like a "demo".


i suppose maybe you were being polite.. which is a bad move against that fucker.. he'd take any opportunity to make an example of you.. you should have been more aggressive is all i'm saying =)

Hey - my first "UFC fight in the XM Studios" - you gotta expect me to be a bit cautious :rolleyes:


thats just it. and hes never been more ripped. I doubt rogan was talking out of his ass. but we'll see. like I was saying a couple weeks ago, this is becoming a common treatment for middle aged men

And now I know what I need to get hold of :icon_wink

[novalia]

Truth be told, I didn't know what Po intended to do there, I was just sort of going in for a Judo tie-up.

We weren't throwing strikes - so it really wasn't a full-on match.


yeah i never liked "play" fighting either.. too confusing..
i'd rather just punch someone in the face or kick them in the balls.

good sport you didnt lash out at me =)

[Capt.Caveman]

COUTURE QUITS UFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=4581604124&MyToken=e1295d10-325f-456f-9c5c-096ae6f8599a


Couture Quits UFC!

The Fight Network


MMA Icon Walks Away From Promotion In Stunning Move


By Brian Knapp


At the height of its power and popularity, the Ultimate Fighting Championship today lost the man many recognize as the face of mixed martial arts. UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture announced his resignation from the Las Vegas-based promotion, leaving two contracted fights, his job as an on-air analyst and his heavyweight crown on the table.


In South Africa shooting scenes for his lead role in the upcoming feature film “The Scorpion King – Rise of the Akkadian,” Couture made the announcement official in a letter to UFC president Dana White. The UFC’s inability to land PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko played a prominent role in the decision to walk away, according to Couture.


“I appreciate this opportunity the sport of MMA and the UFC has given me,” the UFC Hall-of-Famer said. “However, I’m tired of swimming upstream at this stage with the management of the UFC. It only makes sense at this point in my career to fight Fedor Emelianenko, and since he’s now signed with another organization, I feel like it’s time to resign and focus on my other endeavors.”


His abrupt departure deals a significant blow to the world’s most visible MMA organization. Couture was not only a beloved competitor – White once called him “the greatest fighter in UFC history” – but also a revered spokesman for a company that had long struggled to gain mainstream acceptance.


“Randy’s contract was on a fight-by-fight basis, and that’s the way he said he was always going to take it – fight by fight,” said Matt Walker, Couture’s agent at The Gersh Agency. “His acting career is accelerating at an astronomical rate, and without the support he felt some of his peers were receiving in the fight business, this was the logical choice.”


A three-time All-American wrestler at Oklahoma State University, Couture won four national championships in Greco-Roman wrestling and made four attempts at qualifying for the Olympics. He made his MMA debut at UFC 13 on May 13, 1997, where, at age 33, he won a heavyweight tournament, defeating Tony Halme and Steven Graham on the same night. Just seven months later, he toppled famed kickboxer Maurice Smith in Yokohama, Japan to win the UFC heavyweight crown for the first time.


Over the course of the next decade, Couture emerged as one of the most decorated mixed martial artists in history. The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title, as well. Couture remains the only man to win UFC championships in two weight classes.


His run through the promotion included a memorable trilogy with light heavyweight rival Chuck Liddell, the only opponent to beat Couture twice. Following his third bout with Liddell in February 2006, Couture announced his first retirement.


As 2007 dawned, his desire to compete returned, and a four-fight contract with the UFC – which included the opportunity to fight Tim Sylvia for the heavyweight strap at UFC 68 in March – was presented to Couture. He accepted, and the wheels for an historic comeback were set in motion.


Couture floored Sylvia with an overhand right seconds into the bout and punished the 6-foot-8 giant over five rounds. Playing to chants of “Randy!” he regained the heavyweight title for an unprecedented third time in front of 19,049 fans at the Nationwide Arena in Columbus, Ohio. Five months later, at the age of 44, he defeated rising contender Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74, stopping the young Brazilian by third-round TKO despite suffering a broken left arm. It would be his final appearance in the Octagon.


Couture (16-8) leaves behind an unrivaled legacy in the sport. Fifteen of his 24 career bouts were title fights, and he bested six former UFC champions – Liddell, Vitor Belfort, Tito Ortiz and Sylvia among them. Always willing to meet a challenge, Couture consistently tested himself against the world’s premier fighters. The 19 men he fought (he squared off with Pedro Rizzo twice and Liddell and Belfort three times each) hold 357 victories between them

[novalia]

smart man.

[Cromwell]

Couture Quits UFC!

The Fight Network


MMA Icon Walks Away From Promotion In Stunning Move


WTF?!? :icon_conf




Randy Couture announced his resignation from the Las Vegas-based promotion, leaving two contracted fights, his job as an on-air analyst and his heavyweight crown on the table.


I don't get this move.


In South Africa shooting scenes for his lead role in the upcoming feature film “The Scorpion King – Rise of the Akkadian,” Couture made the announcement official


Ah - he's going "The Rock" route.

Why do I think something else is behind this? Like for instance (confirming mendoza's speculations) they may have found out about some performance enhancing substances and this is his way to leave and save face.




in a letter to UFC president Dana White. The UFC’s inability to land PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko played a prominent role in the decision to walk away, according to Couture.


Seems like a convenient excuse. I mean - they've had "unifying fights" before.



“Randy’s contract was on a fight-by-fight basis, and that’s the way he said he was always going to take it – fight by fight,” said Matt Walker, Couture’s agent at The Gersh Agency.


Smart that he had his contract drawn-up that way.



“His acting career is accelerating at an astronomical rate, and without the support he felt some of his peers were receiving in the fight business, this was the logical choice.”


So - we're going to see him as super hero/super baddie in films for a while now?



A three-time All-American wrestler at Oklahoma State University, Couture won four national championships in Greco-Roman wrestling


But never a "champlion" like the Iron Sheik :icon_mrgr



Couture emerged as one of the most decorated mixed martial artists in history. The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title, as well. Couture remains the only man to win UFC championships in two weight classes.


His run through the promotion included a memorable trilogy with light heavyweight rival Chuck Liddell, the only opponent to beat Couture twice.

Couture floored Sylvia with an overhand right seconds into the bout and punished the 6-foot-8 giant over five rounds. Playing to chants of “Randy!” he regained the heavyweight title for an unprecedented third time in front of 19,049 fans at the Nationwide Arena in Columbus, Ohio. Five months later, at the age of 44, he defeated rising contender Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74, stopping the young Brazilian by third-round TKO despite suffering a broken left arm. It would be his final appearance in the Octagon.


Couture (16-8) leaves behind an unrivaled legacy in the sport. Fifteen of his 24 career bouts were title fights, and he bested six former UFC champions – Liddell, Vitor Belfort, Tito Ortiz and Sylvia among them. Always willing to meet a challenge, Couture consistently tested himself against the world’s premier fighters. The 19 men he fought (he squared off with Pedro Rizzo twice and Liddell and Belfort three times each) hold 357 victories between them

The guy will always be an inspriation to me. You know "older gentlemen" :rolleyes:

[novalia]

Why do I think something else is behind this? Like for instance (confirming mendoza's speculations) they may have found out about some performance enhancing substances and this is his way to leave and save face.


ding ding ding..
when it smells it smells.

[mendozathejew]

that steroid theory is pretty interesting. maybe everything else is a convenient excuse. but either way I think he has a real problem with dana white and zuffa, always has, and finally had enough.

the reason to come out now is probably self centered, for whatever reason. but hes pissed he was lied to about his contract being the 2nd biggest while finding out many fighters are making alot more, and hes sick of seeing fighters fight for 3 shitty thousand dollars. when a ppv makes 40 million in revenue, and your total payout for all fighters adds up to only 2 million, someones' gona buck.

suddenly frank shamrock and tito ortiz dont sound so unreasonable. and if its true that mark cuban pruchased m1, with fedor already signed, hes gona be a real threat to the ufc. not destroy it, but take market share, and up the ante in terms of fighters salaries considerably. we all know he goes all out for his buiness ventures. ,

[mendozathejew]

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=5096

“It’s not a retirement,” said Couture Friday, who also works as on-air analyst and ambassador for The Fight Network. “It’s a resignation from the UFC organization.”


White’s praise hasn’t extended to Couture’s confidantes though, which includes Couture’s agent Matt Walker, of the Los Angeles-based Gersh Agency.

“He hooked up with some Hollywood agent that I bitch slapped about a month ago, and these Hollywood agents are parasites, so unfortunately this guy is probably in Randy’s ear right now,” White said. “Apparently Randy’s upset about something, and the timing of this thing is a typical Hollywood agent move while Randy’s out of town.”

Couture says White’s reaction is typical of the problematic attitude the athlete shunned yesterday.

"He doesn't respect anybody unless he controls them," said Couture. "Disrespecting my agent Matt is insulting to me because it says I'm not intelligent enough to make a decision on my own or surround myself with quality people. It's all about respect, something they've never given me or anyone representing me."

[Gotti420]

Dana has done great things for the sport and I'm not usually one to bash him, but I think Randy definitely has a point when it comes to the respect issue. Could you imagine a commissioner of the NFL or NBA saying in an interview that they "bitch slapped" an athlete's agent? With EliteXC putting on good shows and with Mark Cuban apparently getting into the MMA game Dana cannot afford to treat the fighters like shit anymore.

[Capt.Caveman]

that steroid theory is pretty interesting. maybe everything else is a convenient excuse. but either way I think he has a real problem with dana white and zuffa, always has, and finally had enough.

the reason to come out now is probably self centered, for whatever reason. but hes pissed he was lied to about his contract being the 2nd biggest while finding out many fighters are making alot more, and hes sick of seeing fighters fight for 3 shitty thousand dollars. when a ppv makes 40 million in revenue, and your total payout for all fighters adds up to only 2 million, someones' gona buck.

suddenly frank shamrock and tito ortiz dont sound so unreasonable. and if its true that mark cuban pruchased m1, with fedor already signed, hes gona be a real threat to the ufc. not destroy it, but take market share, and up the ante in terms of fighters salaries considerably. we all know he goes all out for his buiness ventures. ,



the only thing that makes me doubt the roids is after the gonzaga fight dana and randy agreed there is no one left to fight at hwt. cro cop would have been the guy. nogeuria would be an interesting fight but it would be a ground battle. I love a good ground war but casual fans aren't paying to see that one.

[mendozathejew]

randy is disgusted with zuffa and dana white. and his response to randys leaving UFC only confirmed it for him. that hes just a puppet for some hollywood agent. Randy put up with it like everyone else because he wanted to compete, but once the fedor fight wasnt in the cards, it wasnt worth it go along with the game anymore, so hes taking a stand. its a pretty big deal for the sport. with Cuban getting involved in M1 this is how the game gets splintered. its bound to happen at some point

[Capt.Caveman]

it just sucks. now the best hwt is gonna fight nobodies instead of the best hwts in the world. I just want all the best fighters in 1 place. like the NFL, NBA or MLB. Sure there are other org's but the best play for these. Fedors ruining his career imo

[mendozathejew]

Sure there are other org's but the best play for these. Fedors ruining his career imo

could very well be. but I think the sport is gona change. especially if randy and fedor are able to fight in 9 months for m1. then he fights barnett. thats about as good as it gets, right now, if he wins those.

If Cuban gets in this thing, it will change. because he wont be paying 3K for a fighter, and he wont be holding bonus checks over their head so they keep in line. thats another one of randy's big gripes. he never got his bonus check he was promised after the gonazaga fight. what kind of bullshit is that? you either are willing to pay the fighters a certain amount or not. its a way to control the fighters, and limit their bargaining position come contract time. and randy says dana white only respects you if he can control you

arona just signed with m1.

[Rance]

http://joelauzon.com/images/random/gym%20100307_46Gym1100307_500w.jpg

<i>When Joe Lauzon participated in the Ultimate Fighter season five reality show, it gave him a chance to receive some world class mixed-martial-arts training from former UFC Champions, BJ Penn and Jens Pulver. Since Lauzon already stopped Pulver in his UFC debut, he volunteered himself to be a part of Penn’s team. Under Penn, Lauzon thrived and a bond was made between to the two fighters. This lead to Penn inviting Lauzon to come to Hawaii for extended training. Will this move pay off as Lauzon will fight undefeated Jason Reinhardt at UFC 76: Validation in Newark, New Jersey? Here is what Lauzon told ADCC News in this Q&A.</i>

http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=34

[Cromwell]

Lauzon will fight undefeated Jason Reinhardt at UFC 78: Validation in Newark, New Jersey



I'll be there to watch you lay an "ass whoopin'" on your opponent, Rance. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

could very well be. but I think the sport is gona change. especially if randy and fedor are able to fight in 9 months for m1. then he fights barnett. thats about as good as it gets, right now, if he wins those.

If Cuban gets in this thing, it will change. because he wont be paying 3K for a fighter, and he wont be holding bonus checks over their head so they keep in line. thats another one of randy's big gripes. he never got his bonus check he was promised after the gonazaga fight. what kind of bullshit is that? you either are willing to pay the fighters a certain amount or not. its a way to control the fighters, and limit their bargaining position come contract time. and randy says dana white only respects you if he can control you

arona just signed with m1.

i see your point, but i'd still like to see fighters all in 1 place. arona was never coming to the ufc. he's a "boring" fighter and wasn't gonna be offered a contract. I can't remember where i read that one. I think the best challenger in the world for fedor is arlovski. besides getting ko'd by silvia he really hasn't lost since 2002. I don't count their 3rd fight sylvia ran away for 5 rounds. another guy i'd like to see in the ufc is denis kang. he's fighting in k-1 but he needs to be in the us fighting the best

[mendozathejew]

i see your point, but i'd still like to see fighters all in 1 place. arona was never coming to the ufc. he's a "boring" fighter and wasn't gonna be offered a contract. I can't remember where i read that one. I think the best challenger in the world for fedor is arlovski. besides getting ko'd by silvia he really hasn't lost since 2002. I don't count their 3rd fight sylvia ran away for 5 rounds. another guy i'd like to see in the ufc is denis kang. he's fighting in k-1 but he needs to be in the us fighting the best

Id like to see all the fighters in boxing and mma under one promotion, but its just not in the cards. unless theres federal regulation its an impossibility long term.. this is why Ive always said mma is in its honeymoon phase. with success and longevity comes complications.

Fedor always wanted to face AA too, hes always complimented alrovski. Kang would be great in the UFC, but apparently dana white doesnt think so, he says hes not an elite fighter. yet chonan is? Kang was supposed to be in the first season of TUF but took as pride contract instead.

Hendo also has an interesting set of quotes about the deals the UFC has offered him. he only has 1 fight left on his contract




Last week, UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture walked away from the organization with two fights left on his contract, in part, due to what he thought was low pay compared to other UFC stars. He also told Sherdog.com that the UFC lied to him about being the second-highest paid fighter in the promotion.

Couture is not alone when it comes to being dissatisfied with how the UFC doles out dollars. Light heavyweight Dan Henderson, who was in Houston on Saturday to conduct a clinic at Miletich Fighting Systems, says dealing with the UFC on compensation and contracts is challenging and not as easy as previous negotiations with Pride Fighting Championships.

"It seems like guys could be happier," Henderson said. "Part of the problem is that they had a couple, three bad shows and got killed in Ireland (at UFC 72) on the money. And, possibly the fact that they spent a boatload of money buying Pride and didn't do anything with it; they are trying to make some cutbacks, and the fighters aren't overly happy about that."

The 37-year-old Team Quest fighter has one bout left on the Pride contract he brought with him to the UFC. White offered an extension, but Henderson didn't bite. He thought the offer was low and chose to take the fight against Quinton Jackson at UFC 75 under the terms of his Pride contract, which left him with no opportunity for a fight bonus.

Despite assurances from White that he would be taken care of in the UFC, Henderson is waiting for what he thinks is an equitable offer.

"He was telling me that, 'We haven't had guys leaving. We take care of the guys, that's why they're happy. We don't want guys that are unhappy,' " Henderson said about initial negotiations with White. "I haven't seen that."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5213681.html

[Cromwell]

Despite assurances from White that he would be taken care of in the UFC, Henderson is waiting for what he thinks is an equitable offer.

"He was telling me that, 'We haven't had guys leaving. We take care of the guys, that's why they're happy. We don't want guys that are unhappy,' " Henderson said about initial negotiations with White. "I haven't seen that."



Business negotiations are always a hassle.


Do any of these guys have agents?

One of the reasons Alex Rodriquez is so rich is because of Scott Boras.

[av8rOC]

hey guys. Im on a trip saturday and nobody around my hotel is showing the ufc. Can someone pm me with info for a live feed?

[mendozathejew]

hey guys. Im on a trip saturday and nobody around my hotel is showing the ufc. Can someone pm me with info for a live feed?

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can

[Capt.Caveman]

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can

i'll be pm'ing you:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

koschek sent out a bullitan on my space aq few months ago about the ufc being cheap. fighters not getting paid enough. I know that young fighters in there first ufc bout barely make anything. if not for sponsors they'd probably owe money

[Gotti420]

koschek sent out a bullitan on my space aq few months ago about the ufc being cheap. fighters not getting paid enough. I know that young fighters in there first ufc bout barely make anything. if not for sponsors they'd probably owe money

In Koschek's case he's probably still on the first contract he signed after TUF so he's not getting as much as the top guys. You're right, 3 grand or whatever they get does suck for the young fighters, but the numbers from PRIDE and K1's US shows were about the same. On the other hand, if you look at the recent Strikeforce payouts from their show at the playboy mansion fighters were getting as little as five hundred.

[Standby]

The issue is that from what I've seen, TUF is breeding a new class every season of fighters who are hungry to just...fight. At any cost, at any payoff.

I really hope this changes. Hearing the numbers of what the gate alone pulls in, there's really no reason the fighters can't be treated well.

[Cromwell]

sure. just try and remind me saturday afternoon if you can


i'll be pm'ing you:action-sm


Boys - if you can - I'd like in on this too. :icon_wink

[Gotti420]

Boys - if you can - I'd like in on this too. :icon_wink

I would as well (if possible).

[mendozathejew]

this is how it usually goes for me. When I dont order a boxing or ufc ppv with my friends, Im generally able to get a live feed from someone on a boxing forum. he'll usually send me an email, often its last second. Im not expert on this shit, I play them on win amp i guess you can use other programs

my back up is a program you can easily download called tvu. its got an mma channel (among many) and you kinda have to search out the channel, but it works well. a similar program is sopcast, someone on this board told me he likes it better but it fucked up on my computer so I cant say.

if too many people jump on the links it will lag. so have atleast 2 of the options, the quality isnt perfect but its generally pretty good. they are all small harmless programs. send me a pm saturday if you want the win amp link, or if you have trouble getting tvu or sopcast

[kidohio]

hey who was the guy i think it was in K1, he used to play in the nfl then tried mma, and his first fight lasted 40 seconds then was knocked out who was it?

[MattyIceGfunk]

Johnnie Morton?

[Cromwell]

Thanks for the info, mendoza.

I'll try to send you a PM on Saturday close to the starting time.

If all else fails - there is always the almost real time play-by-play on the Sherdog forums. :)

[mendozathejew]

after todays weigh ins dana apparently did an interview, he almost bragged about Franklins salary. He'll be making 28,000 to fight silva, and another 28K if he wins. thats pathetic. Jardine didnt get any bonus for beating liddell, so his prize package comes to a whopping 14,000

he was trying to make the argument- franklin signed a contract (before TUF season 1 and the sports growth, so thats why its so low) and his living up to it, like randy didnt. counterproductive argument imo

[Capt.Caveman]

Johnnie Morton?

yea

[Capt.Caveman]

after todays weigh ins dana apparently did an interview, he almost bragged about Franklins salary. He'll be making 28,000 to fight silva, and another 28K if he wins. thats pathetic. Jardine didnt get any bonus for beating liddell, so his prize package comes to a whopping 14,000

he was trying to make the argument- franklin signed a contract (before TUF season 1 and the sports growth, so thats why its so low) and his living up to it, like randy didnt. counterproductive argument imo

that is craziness. you figure they fight 2 or 3 times a year. so jardine will make 42000 this year without sponsors. he can come and pull cable with me and make double that.

[Cromwell]

There was a very telling interview of Dana by Tom Gerbasi on their own site - where he calls Couture's new agent a "scumbag Hollywood agent".

I'm curious - just how much weath has Dana accumulated?

Mendoza - I'm sending you a PM. :icon_wink

[mendozathejew]

danas a 10 percent owner I think. but its mostly the fertitta brothers that own the ufc. dana is their friend, he talked them into buying the ufc and making this work with him as president.


ive read different accounts, but last year the complete payout for all fight salaries paid last year was 20 million. for everyone that fought. thats a joke, considering what they pull in for ppv buys

I just got an email, without the winamp link, its the other sources. Im gona PM them to cromwell and dascaveman. Im headed uo to my college last minute for homecoming nonsense. I'll check in and see if I got a winamp link up when I get there, if Im not too high or drunkthese work better than winamp anyways, winamp cuts in and out.

when heath herring high leg kicked nog at the end of round 1 I sat in suspense for more than a minute waiting to see if he recovered

[Capt.Caveman]

when heath herring high leg kicked nog at the end of round 1 I sat in suspense for more than a minute waiting to see if he recovered



that must have sucked balls. i would've been pulling my hair out:haha7:

[Gotti420]

ive read different accounts, but last year the complete payout for all fight salaries paid last year was 20 million. for everyone that fought. thats a joke, considering what they pull in for ppv buys

Shit, if you break it down that only comes out to a little over 1 million per event. The fighters really are getting fucked.

[mik3]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

[Gotti420]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

I don't think Vera lost a whole lot in terms of his ranking in the division, but I do think he should drop to 205.

[Capt.Caveman]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night? Even though Sylvia didn't really do much he bossed Vera around for most of that match. Everyone knows Tim uses his size horribly so it wasn't just how big he is.

he did break his hand in rd 1

[Cromwell]

It was a decent fight for Sylvia. After he realized that nobody wanted to see him press Vera up against the cage in a smothering match all night - he began to box and strike like someone who knew how.

Give him credit for that.

The big shocker to me (still) is how deceptively powerful Anderson Silva is. His striking is pinpoint accurate and so explosive. Once he tagged Franklin (like he did the first time and everyone else since) its lights out.

A devastating knockout striker.

He's gotta be the best pound-for-pound fighter out there at the moment.

[mendozathejew]

Did Vera lose a lot in anyone else's mind last night?

granted I havent seen the fight yet, but Vera only loses a little in the sense that hes talked such a big game for the past couple years. hes been on record regularly saying he is the best 205 and HW fighter, short of fedor. that was up until a few months ago when he became convinced hed beat fedor too.

he still has a tremendous future in mma, and most likely will hold a title at 205 or HW, but when you talk that big a game and lose its gona hurt your image

[mendozathejew]

I just hope we get to see Anderson Silva fight the other top middleweights. franklin is the only elite middleweight hes fought in the ufc. lindland would be very very tough. he gave rampage all he could handle and lost a questionable decision. but silva has very good bjj, thats what would make it so interesting and competitive. filho is also a handful, but hendo wouldnt stick to a gameplan like lindland and would slug it out instead

[Capt.Caveman]

I just hope we get to see Anderson Silva fight the other top middleweights. franklin is the only elite middleweight hes fought in the ufc. lindland would be very very tough. he gave rampage all he could handle and lost a questionable decision. but silva has very good bjj, thats what would make it so interesting and competitive. filho is also a handful, but hendo wouldnt stick to a gameplan like lindland and would slug it out instead

filho i'd def want to see. I think silvas striking would be to much for lindland. hendo would be interesting but his hands are not even close to silvas. he has a big right but silva attacks you from all angles. hemdo's best chance would be hold him down and g&p him all night