Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Cromwell]

Im sorry Cromwell. but dumb friend picked me up early to go watch it. were you able to get the links? tvu always has the mma channel, sopcast needs specific addresses from that forum

Yeah, I did, thanks. tvu came though big time. Who's that "blue" fellow over there? He does a good job. :icon_wink


I never thought Id see matt hughes manhandled the way he was tonight.


Me either. GSP is just a superior fighter all around. Physically the guy is a friggin beast. He could probably beat a lot of 185 lbers.



and wanderlei was more shot than I suspected. his legs were shaky and hands slow from the start. nice fight and win for liddell though.


Agreed. I wasn't impressed with Wandy at all. Again - another "roid enhanced Pride guy" who when you take that away, is not the same ferocious creature he once was (like Cro-cop).

I actually felt a little bad for Sliva (though I was clearly rooting for Chuck). All that "snorkle training" and "ice baths" - that we saw on the All-Access - for what? He couldn't penetrate Lidell's defenses.


but I think Machida would easily handle him, and I hate to say it, it wont surprise me if he handles Rampage as well. he is damn good


Was sooo impressed with him. Great to have him in the UFC.


one more thing on wanderlei- and this goes for boxers and mma fighters alike. that move up to Heavy Weight is not to be done unless you plan on retiring when/if you lose there. especially for old fighters, young fighters can get away with it I guess. but old ones can not do it, and then move back down to lhw or cruiserweight. same shit happened to roy jones. you cant move back down afterwards, it takes too much out the fighter

Could be. I just thought he couldn't get anything through to Chuck. Lidell had a great strategy this time. Using the takedowns shows he's got more in his arsenal than just a right hand knockout.



st pierre was great out wrestled matt hughes that's ridiculous.


GSP is just a superior physical specimen. His balance is unbelievable. Hughes was trying to take him down - had him in his grip a few times - and then Georges just leans forward and trips Hughes to the mat.




looking foward to st pierre vs fitch

After GSP disposes of Serra - that will be an exciting match to see.

[mik3]

I don't think liddell did THAT good. He still got hit by a lot of shots, Wandy was just not getting everything in to them. He also got knocked down twice. The fact two judges gave Liddell the second shows why you need to knock people out in the UFC.

[mendozathejew]

Agreed. I wasn't impressed with Wandy at all. Again - another "roid enhanced Pride guy" who when you take that away, is not the same ferocious creature he once was (like Cro-cop).

well we already know more than a few UFC fighters take roids as well. including big names

wandy was a shell of himself. he was a shell of himself in the hendo fight as well. the move up to HW, and the beating Cro Cop put on him took alot out of him. he fought well, chuck admitted he was hurt a few times, but wandy was on weary legs from the start. a much older fighter than his age would reveal. hes been through so many wars, with a fighting style that is so balls to the wall and vulnerable.

[mendozathejew]

I don't think liddell did THAT good. He still got hit by a lot of shots, Wandy was just not getting everything in to them. He also got knocked down twice. The fact two judges gave Liddell the second shows why you need to knock people out in the UFC.

hes very vulnerable imo. I think If Keith Jardine fought Wanderlei last night Jardine would have looked like a prime ernesto hoost in his destruction of wanderlei. silva is that shot

[mik3]

The beating Henderson gave him I thought had more to do with it being Henderson, not Wandy being done. I guess I was wrong.

[mik3]

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[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow, Hughes got pwned. Serra better hope his disc problems are resolved or it's over. :icon_eek:

[mendozathejew]

and machida's left straight/leg sweep combo on soko
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how smart is this guy? as small as he is, hes a serious threat to rampage, let alone whatever contender they throw at him next. no way dana puts him against liddell for the #1 contender

[Capt.Caveman]

i think a lot of tou are underestimating silva. the guy is only 31 yo, he's not even close to done. chuck fought a good fight...of course he got hit he was fighting silva. and as far as getting knocked down , he got up too. he had 2 bad fights and he came back strong in this one. silva is no chump. i'd like to see a rematch with these 2 and lidell jardine 2.

[mendozathejew]

i think a lot of tou are underestimating silva. the guy is only 31 yo, he's not even close to done. chuck fought a good fight...of course he got hit he was fighting silva. and as far as getting knocked down , he got up too. he had 2 bad fights and he came back strong in this one. silva is no chump. i'd like to see a rematch with these 2 and lidell jardine 2.

mileage and age is often not measured by years in this sport. wand is far older than his 31 years suggest. one of my favorite boxers fernarndo vargas just retired at 29, a completely shot fighter. wand isnt as far gone, but pretty close. it was written all over his actions before he was even punched. the man has been fighting for so long, been through so many brutal fights.

[Palerider4146]

So I was checking out that fanlist that Croms put up. Under the Sub of the Year category the had not one, but TWO candidates for sub of the year by Brad Imes (remember him???) and off all things it was for two GogoPlatas that he used in matces in Sept and Oct. I would never of thought of him as a BJJ expert. Looks like someone is using those long ass legs and got himself some good BJJ training. A gogoplata isnt something youd expect from a HW. So he is 5-0 in his last 5 fights (granted not against elite competition) but with that record and two nice sub wins like that, how soon before we see him back in the UFC?

[mik3]

Someone else at sherdog made this, it's the sorta famous shot of Hughes and Sherk after Serra beat GSP, and of course Saturday.

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[Palerider4146]

So what exactly was Hughes screaming. It almost looked like he said "stop, stop, help me!" Looks like he didnt tap because he was holding on to GSPs leg for dear life to avoid his arm getting snapped. I wonder if he had any damage done.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Guess once you stop juicing the magic is gone...

[mik3]

So what exactly was Hughes screaming. It almost looked like he said "stop, stop, help me!" Looks like he didnt tap because he was holding on to GSPs leg for dear life to avoid his arm getting snapped. I wonder if he had any damage done.
Maybe Sherk was ringside and he was screaming I LOVE THIS.

[Chino Kapone]

GSP is a tank. If he fights like that in his rematch against Serra, he is going to pwn him.

[mendozathejew]

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Fedors first fight in M1 last night against K1 kickboxer hong ma choi

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[d0uche_n0zzle]

How freaking tall and how much does that Asian gentleman weigh?

[Capt.Caveman]

How freaking tall and how much does that Asian gentleman weigh?

7'2" 360 lbs.....Armbarred in 1:54

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow. Fedor took quite a few shots and still pwned that giant.

[Cromwell]

Wow, Hughes got pwned. Serra better hope his disc problems are resolved or it's over. :icon_eek:

His disc could be 100% - he's going to get destroyed by GSP.

and machida's left straight/leg sweep combo on soko
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how smart is this guy? as small as he is, hes a serious threat to rampage, let alone whatever contender they throw at him next. no way dana puts him against liddell for the #1 contender


That's a great clip. You're right that Dana will probaby put him against some of the other "contenders" first. How about Rashad?

So I was checking out that fanlist that Croms put up. Under the Sub of the Year category the had not one, but TWO candidates for sub of the year by Brad Imes (remember him???) and off all things it was for two GogoPlatas that he used in matces in Sept and Oct. I would never of thought of him as a BJJ expert. Looks like someone is using those long ass legs and got himself some good BJJ training. A gogoplata isnt something youd expect from a HW. So he is 5-0 in his last 5 fights (granted not against elite competition) but with that record and two nice sub wins like that, how soon before we see him back in the UFC?

Good observations, Pale. You are truly a student of ju jitsu :icon_wink




GSP is a tank. If he fights like that in his rematch against Serra, he is going to pwn him.


He'll destroy him. Can we all agree here and now that Matt Serra is one of the luckiest guys on the face of the earth? True he made the most of his opportunities - but can we end this charade already? He had no business being "the welterweight champion" - and certainly not to hold the title for as long as he did. Dana needs to stop setting his title fights up just to promote his tv shows. Now the light-heavyweight title is going to be held up for just as long. Lidell says he wants his title back? He's got a long wait before he gets his chance.


Big Thanks for that Fedor clip, 'doza.

That guy he fought was so friggin big. After the first time Fedor was on his back (cause the big tool just flopped on him) - really no problem for Fedor. Yeah, he had to eat a few shots to the face (which did leave bruises) - but he was setting up that armbar the whole time. Almost had it the first time - caught the big dummy - who I guess is just used to overpowering his opponents with his size - so - why bother to learn any techniques? The second time Fedor sunk that armbar, there was no mistaking it.

Technique over superior size this time round.

Dana needs to let Randy fight Fedor.

[mik3]

When HMC pretty much swung Fedor off of him with one arm during the first armbar attempt I had to laugh.

Fedor looked in terrible shape but conditioning didn't come into play.

[Suicidebree]

He'll destroy him. Can we all agree here and now that Matt Serra is one of the luckiest guys on the face of the earth? True he made the most of his opportunities - but can we end this charade already? He had no business being "the welterweight champion" - and certainly not to hold the title for as long as he did. Dana needs to stop setting his title fights up just to promote his tv shows. Now the light-heavyweight title is going to be held up for just as long. Lidell says he wants his title back? He's got a long wait before he gets his chance.


GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt. If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane. Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either. Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

[mik3]

GSP will still probably rock him though. GSP will be smart enough to keep it on their feet longer and just go to the ground when he wants it this time.

[Chino Kapone]

GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt. If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane. Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either. Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

Serra looked amazing in their first fight, but GSP looked nothing like he did on saturday night. Once Serra and GSP meet again, I think that we are in for an amazing fight. But i would have to put my money on GSP.

[Suicidebree]

Serra looked amazing in their first fight, but GSP looked nothing like he did on saturday night. Once Serra and GSP meet again, I think that we are in for an amazing fight. But i would have to put my money on GSP.

Oh I never said Serra was going to win. I think Serra's good but I aint retarted. Cromwell just made it sound like he didnt belong in the same ring.

[Cromwell]

GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt.


Well, I don't know if goalie Roberto Luongo helped Serra or not - but stand-up specialist Ray Longo certainly did :icon_mrgr



If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane.


I am? What makes you say that? If GSP is that much physically superior to Hughes - he'll be able to flatten Serra anytime he wants to. If they tie up - GSP hips are so good - he'll just do the same lean forward, trip him down the same way he did at will with Hughes.


Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either.


Exactly. That was Hughes' game to a T. And he pretty much dominated with those two elements. GSP is at a whole new level now. I suspect that Fitch could be there as well. *That's* the real fight people want to see now. Not Matt Serra. Who isn't even really a true welterweight. He's something inbeteen the 155 and 170 weight class.


Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

GSP will be able to grab his arm and bend it back the exact same way he did to a stronger man in Hughes.


Oh I never said Serra was going to win. I think Serra's good but I aint retarted. Cromwell just made it sound like he didnt belong in the same ring.

Serra barely beat Chris Lytle. Got the benefit of an extremely close split decision. He was knocked unconscious by Shone Carter. He was beaten by Karo Parisyan and Din Thomas of all people. He is a journeyman who lucked out with his title shot due to his participation on Dana White's reality show.

Some day we are going to learn just what it was exactly that was wrong with GSP on the day of his fight with Serra. That was not the same fighter we saw in pretty much every other GSP match. Certainly not the fighter that beat Hughes twice, beat Koschek and came back to win a war with BJ Penn.

[Suicidebree]

Well, I don't know if goalie Roberto Luongo helped Serra or not - but stand-up specialist Ray Longo certainly did :icon_mrgr
Damn it that hurt my argument off the bat.


I am? What makes you say that? If GSP is that much physically superior to Hughes - he'll be able to flatten Serra anytime he wants to. If they tie up - GSP hips are so good - he'll just do the same lean forward, trip him down the same way he did at will with Hughes.

GSP will be able to grab his arm and bend it back the exact same way he did to a stronger man in Hughes.
The guy who is physically superior doesn't always win. Look at Fedor's last fight. That guy clearly had Fedor worried in the fight, but everyone can get caught. I just don't think its foregone conclusion that GSP wins that quickly. GSP didn't look like himself in the first fight and I think he looked bad against Koscheck if I remember correctly. GSP could get caught in something if they go to the ground. I think Serra's days of knocking GSP out are done though.

Serra barely beat Chris Lytle. Got the benefit of an extremely close split decision. He was knocked unconscious by Shone Carter. He was beaten by Karo Parisyan and Din Thomas of all people. He is a journeyman who lucked out with his title shot due to his participation on Dana White's reality show.

you got some bitter Dana White issues, he literally saved the sport with that show I might add. Don't go on some tangent about oh man the sport was doing fine. Dana saved it period.
AS Far as his losses go. In MMA, everyone loses. That Shone loss might be one of the great knockouts ever. With Lytle he won, a win is a win. With Karo, its fucking Karo. The guy way be the most boring fighter on Earth but he is good if not great at what he does, whatever it is. God i hate him. His loss to Din Thomas... well thats not a great loss to have, but Din Thomas is pretty much the UFC's stepping stone. Any given day he could win against just about anybody. Matt's only other loss was to BJ Penn, who in my non-fighter opinion is the top fighter in the world.
The only thing I agree with you with is that Jon Fitch is coming. I been following this guy for while and damn it he is good. Top tier, GSP, good.

[Capt.Caveman]

Damn it that hurt my argument off the bat.


The guy who is physically superior doesn't always win. Look at Fedor's last fight. That guy clearly had Fedor worried in the fight, but everyone can get caught. I just don't think its foregone conclusion that GSP wins that quickly. GSP didn't look like himself in the first fight and I think he looked bad against Koscheck if I remember correctly. GSP could get caught in something if they go to the ground. I think Serra's days of knocking GSP out are done though.

you got some bitter Dana White issues, he literally saved the sport with that show I might add. Don't go on some tangent about oh man the sport was doing fine. Dana saved it period.
AS Far as his losses go. In MMA, everyone loses. That Shone loss might be one of the great knockouts ever. With Lytle he won, a win is a win. With Karo, its fucking Karo. The guy way be the most boring fighter on Earth but he is good if not great at what he does, whatever it is. God i hate him. His loss to Din Thomas... well thats not a great loss to have, but Din Thomas is pretty much the UFC's stepping stone. Any given day he could win against just about anybody. Matt's only other loss was to BJ Penn, who in my non-fighter opinion is the top fighter in the world.
The only thing I agree with you with is that Jon Fitch is coming. I been following this guy for while and damn it he is good. Top tier, GSP, good.

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!

[Chino Kapone]

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!

:haha7: Fucking funny.....


GSP looks like the Anderson Silva of his class. Silva Needs to drop some weight and take on GSP. Its not like he has any competition @ 185.

[Capt.Caveman]

:haha7: Fucking funny.....


GSP looks like the Anderson Silva of his class. Silva Needs to drop some weight and take on GSP. Its not like he has any competition @ 185.

silvas pretty slim already. 15lbs may be to much

[mendozathejew]

GSP could easily be a middleweight. he cuts a ton of weight. he has fought by fight night in the 190s

[Capt.Caveman]

GSP could easily be a middleweight. he cuts a ton of weight. he has fought by fight night in the 190s

yea that may b the move. in a year or 2 if both are still destroying people. gsp vs fitch and silva hendo are the only real fights i wanna see for the titles well and serra IF he comes back

[mendozathejew]

a year ago, Matt Hughes talked ALOT about fighting Anderson Silva if Franklin couldnt win the rematch. he was really serious about it.

I wonder if Hendo fights a stupid fight, decides to stand and trade with Silva, if Matt takes a shot at middleweight and gets that fight. Because he would fight the smart fight and keep anderson on the ground.

but talk of that has really disappeared since Anderson started rearranging faces. Id bet hes considering it, alot of great boxers end their careers trying to go up in weight for their last shot

[Capt.Caveman]

a year ago, Matt Hughes talked ALOT about fighting Anderson Silva if Franklin couldnt win the rematch. he was really serious about it.

I wonder if Hendo fights a stupid fight, decides to stand and trade with Silva, if Matt takes a shot at middleweight and gets that fight. Because he would fight the smart fight and keep anderson on the ground.

but talk of that has really disappeared since Anderson started rearranging faces. Id bet hes considering it, alot of great boxers end their careers trying to go up in weight for their last shot

I think hendo's gonna try to stand with him.

[Suicidebree]

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!Haha, I believe he trains so I'll just tap out now. Its a sports thread, we are supposed to argue.
Sign Anderson Silva, GSP or Hendo vs. anyone and I'll pay for it against each other I'll fly to see it.

[Cromwell]

Haha, I believe he trains so I'll just tap out now. Its a sports thread, we are supposed to argue.




Agreed, bree. Its just a bunch of sports fans talking here. :icon_wink


Just to address one of your points above - I don't have any *real* issues with Dana White. Personally, I like the guy. And I certainly give him his due for helping the whole MMA awareness along. My only real beef with him is the way he holds up title fights to accomodate his tv show. Lidell now has a long wait to challenge for his title again. That's not really fair to him. GSP had to wait *waaaaay* too long - and actually - is *still* waiting to get sole possesion of his title back. The word now is that it will probaby happen some time in April in Canada. Anyway, the real "Dana hater" here is mendozathejew :icon_mrgr

Here's something you'll appreciate, bree

A fresh inteview with Joe Lauzon:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1623.html

:icon_cool

[( . Y . )]

Thus ends "The Year of the Upsets", let's see if 2008 will be the same. MMA has always been a 'you never know' kind of sport but last year was more so.

It was a great to see the new years mma events. The trends i've been seeing is whenever there are cross-promotion fights the fighters are already older and somewhat past the prime. With the exception of the pride tournament and chuck entering. I want to see some wec/ufc fighter matches. and one fight i really want to see is possibly Kid Yamamoto vs. Uriah Faber.

also maybe this year they'll get Lauzon on the show.

[Capt.Caveman]

Report: Matt Serra Confirms April Fight with Georges St. Pierre
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 5, 2008 at 5:33 am ET
UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra (9-4 MMA, 6-4 UFC) will, in fact, return from a herniated disc to fight interim champ Georges St. Pierre (15-2 MMA, 9-2 UFC) in April — at Canada’s first-ever UFC event.

On Friday Serra confirmed the fight with out friend Mike Chiappetta of NBCSports.com.

The title-unification bout will headline the upcoming Canadian show, which is tentatively scheduled for April 19 at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) mentioned the possibility of the Serra-St. Pierre title fight on Tuesday, and two days later, Serra told The Canadian Press that he was definitely willing to take the fight and expected to be healed in time for it.

It now appears to be a done deal.

Serra pulled out of last month’s UFC 79 main event with Matt Hughes because of his recent back injury. With Serra sidelined, the UFC instead booked former champ St. Pierre for the fight — and issued the winner the title of “interim” welterweight champion. St. Pierre, who lost his title when he was upset by Serra in April, scored a second-round submission of Hughes and was awarded the recently created interim belt.

Serra recently voiced his displeasure with the UFC’s decision to award an interim title.

As we previously reported, Canadian middleweight Jason MacDonald says he will also be part of the upcoming event. Additionally, fellow Canadian Jonathan Goulet may also be booked for the show, though his management says nothing has been officially decided.

Check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com for the latest news about this and other UFC events.

[Capt.Caveman]

EliteXC Books Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott for Feb. 16 Show
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 4, 2008 at 10:48 am ET
A fight between Internet-brawler-turned-MMA-fighter Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson (1-0) and early UFC fighter David “Tank” Abbott (9-13) will take place after all.

The fight, which was originally booked for October but canceled when event organizers shut down the show, has been picked up by Pro Elite, Inc., which will feature the heavyweight bout as part of its Feb. 16 EliteXC show.

The news comes from ProElite.com blogger Sam Caplan.

The fight, which has been booked for the night’s main event, airs live as part of a Showtime broadcast that kicks off at 10 p.m. ET. The show is expected to take place in Miami, Fla. — possibly at the University of Miami Arena.

Abbott and Slice were originally booked to fight Oct. 12 at a Cage Fury Fighting Championships event. Organizers of the show vehemently denied the numerous rumors of the event’s cancellation — only to officially scratch the event days later.

Many other regional organizations jockeyed for the fight, but Slice instead signed a long-term deal with EliteXC. The 33-year-old fighter made his debut with the organization — and his official professional MMA debut — with a 19-second submission (via punches) of Bo Cantrell in November.

Abbott, one of the sport’s pioneers, began fighting professionally in 1995. The 42-year-old fighter appeared in UFC events from UFC 6 to UFC 45 while making stops in PRIDE, Rumble on the Rock and other organizations. The fan favorite has had little success as of late, though, going 1-7 in his past eight fights and 3-10 in his past 13 fights.

The latest EliteXC card includes:

Tank Abbott vs. Kimbo Slive
Kyle Noke vs. Scott Smith
Gina Carano vs. TBA
Antonio Silva vs. TBA
James Thompson vs. TBA




I HOPE TANKS KO"S THAT ZILCH IN RD 1

[Palerider4146]

First of all great to see our lil Rance in another interview. My bet would be seeing someone moving permanently to Hawaii.

Kimbo vs Tank, hmmm, is this 1997? You got to like tank a bit, but is he trully an MMA fighter of the current breed. And Kimbo???

For the Serra GSP fight I wonder if they both get to walk in with belts, just a thought. GSP will be much better for this fight, and although Serra did KO him last time, unless he gets some crazy sub on GSP, I will say GSP by KO in 3:45 of the 1st round.


In regards to Suicided vs Croms, Bree, remember Croms did take Po the distance. Why you ask, because Crom is "The Best Around!"

[Capt.Caveman]

Report: Lyoto Machida Offered Fight with Tito Ortiz
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 5, 2008 at 6:17 pm ET
Just hours after MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) reported an apparent offer to Heath Herring for a fight with Cheick Kongo, the news comes out that undefeated UFC light heavyweight Lyoto Machida (12-0 MMA, 4-0 UFC) has been offered a fight with former UFC champ Tito Ortiz (15-5-1 MMA, 14-5-1 UFC).

Ed Soares, the manager for Machida, today told MMAWeekly.com that his fighter had been offered a fight with Ortiz — yes, they’ve accepted — and that they’re simply awaiting word on whether Ortiz has accepted the fight.

There was no mention of a possible fight date.

Just a week ago, Machida posted a UFC 79 victory by dominating UFC newcomer and former PRIDE standout Rameau Sokoudjo. Using his usual counter-striking style while peppering his opponent with head and leg kicks, Machida shut down Sokoudjo and scored a second-round submission victory.

It was his 12th straight win, including his fourth straight in the UFC.

Ortiz, a 10-year veteran of the UFC and a former light heavyweight champion, recently finished taping “The Celebrity Apprentice” with Donald Trump. The reality/game show debuted this week and airs each Thursday on NBC for the next three months.

Ortiz recently stated that he has one fight left on his current deal but that he’s negotiating directly with UFC co-owners Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta — not UFC President Dana White — for a new contract.

A new deal would most likely need to be in place before the fight with Machida becomes official.

Ortiz hasn’t competed in the UFC since a July UFC 73 draw with Rashad Evans.

For the latest fight cards, check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

[mendozathejew]

I dont think Tito can win. But its a good matchup for him considering the reward (or what the reward should be- I think Machida should be in line for a title shot in 08). Tito will have a large size advantage, over a fighter who among all his talents, high level wrestling isnt one of them. it will be interesting to see how Ortiz plays this.

[Cromwell]

First of all great to see our lil Rance in another interview.


Not sure how he would enjoy you calling him "lil" :icon_mrgr

Anyway, if you really love him (like I know you do) - you had better buy one of those T-Shirts he's currently hawking.


Kimbo vs Tank, hmmm, is this 1997?


Lol! I know. :rolleyes:

I'd like to see them both in a street fight - that would be interesting. Perhaps with broken bottles or other "weapons" - but an MMA match? Puh-lease. Over and done. Time to coach. Well, if they aren't stone-cold alcoholics or anything :p


For the Serra GSP fight I wonder if they both get to walk in with belts, just a thought. GSP will be much better for this fight, and although Serra did KO him last time, unless he gets some crazy sub on GSP, I will say GSP by KO in 3:45 of the 1st round.


GSP is going to lay the same dominance (probably worse) on Serrra that he did on Hughes.


In regards to Suicided vs Croms, Bree, remember Croms did take Po the distance. Why you ask, because Crom is "The Best Around!"

Dude - you are my biggest fan. :D

I dont think Tito can win. But its a good matchup for him considering the reward (or what the reward should be- I think Machida should be in line for a title shot in 08). Tito will have a large size advantage, over a fighter who among all his talents, high level wrestling isnt one of them. it will be interesting to see how Ortiz plays this.

I'm curious to see how Tito plays on that Aprentice show. Did it premier already? Isn't there a former heavyweight boxer in there too? Lets get him and Tito in a boardroom throwdown! :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

I'm curious to see how Tito plays on that Aprentice show. Did it premier already? Isn't there a former heavyweight boxer in there too? Lets get him and Tito in a boardroom throwdown! :icon_cool


Croms it debuted last Thursday, he wound up bringing Jenna Jameson around for their challenge.

Yes there is a former heavyweight boxer, just happens to be Lennox Lewis! I always liked him, even though I wasnt much of a boxing fan.

[mik3]

I'd love to see Lennox knock Tito out during a challenge then do the gravedigger.

[mendozathejew]

there was an internet rumor that lennox smacked tito to the ground but it has to be bullshit or wed know about it

[chutzd]

UFC FIGHT NIGHT: APRIL 2, 2008 ON SPIKE TV
location: to be announced

-Kenny Florian (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Joe Lauzon
-Matt Hamill vs. Stephan Bonnar

[d0uche_n0zzle]

UFC FIGHT NIGHT: APRIL 2, 2008 ON SPIKE TV
location: to be announced

-Kenny Florian (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Joe Lauzon
-Matt Hamill vs. Stephan Bonnar


Nice.

Now if we could only get a few more dollars to get the rest of WAC****.*** together for a sponsorship of JLau.

[Suicidebree]

Nice.

Now if we could only get a few more dollars to get the rest of WAC****.*** together for a sponsorship of JLau.

I cant even imagine what the second word bleeped is. As far as the Fight Night goes, amazing. Hamill/Bonner should be a great fight. Rance vs. Florian should be great too. Two quick little fuckers. Please finish him Joe and just casually mention how your new nickname is the finisher. Oh and if you read this Rance where the hell is the shirt I ordered.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The letters are missing because there wasn't enough cash for them :(

[Capt.Caveman]

I cant even imagine what the second word bleeped is. As far as the Fight Night goes, amazing. Hamill/Bonner should be a great fight. Rance vs. Florian should be great too. Two quick little fuckers. Please finish him Joe and just casually mention how your new nickname is the finisher. Oh and if you read this Rance where the hell is the shirt I ordered.

and they're good friends too so that should make it interesting.

[Palerider4146]

Yo caveman, I was checking out a pic of your wife and kid on your myspace. Is that where you live??? It looks like townhouses, I thought the only townhouses in our lovely town where the village green ones. I'm only asking since I'm looking for places to live once I sell my house and get rid of my exwife.

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm looking for places to live once I sell my house and get rid of my exwife.

need a boat and some bricks:D

[Palerider4146]

need a boat and some bricks:D


The bricks! That is where Mr. Peterson screwed up. Actually a heavy metal chain through the pelvic girdle does the trick also. Although that Lacy had a little something in her pelvic girdle already...

[Capt.Caveman]

horn vs marquart for ufc 81 just added as per mma junkie

[mendozathejew]

Chucks trainer on Lyoto Machida


http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...5bc733583f9990

"He's one of the least guys I want Chuck to fight. Not for his toughness or anything, its that his style is hardest to prepare for. I knew he would beat Sokoudjou. He was 2-1 underdog and so was chuck. Glover beat Soko before and I knew he was hype. He's #4 in the world, they had him 4 places before Chuck. My guy that KO'd him is not even in the top20. You know what Machida is like? he is so boring, like the Larry Holmes of MMA. He'll fucking beat everyone. Jimmy Young was like that too, Jimmy is the reason that Foreman retired and went to Jesus. (...) Machida is like Jimmy Young, he's a scary guy. Going to be a hard guy to beat"

[Cromwell]

Chucks trainer on Lyoto Machida


http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...5bc733583f9990

You know what Machida is like? . He'll fucking beat everyone.

Wonder how Chuck feels about reading his own trainer saying that? :icon_wink

Hey - all you Rance fans (yes, you bree - and of course you bought a t-shirt :rolleyes:) - JLau just posted up one of his email announcements on his upcoming bout with KFlo

http://http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=52

and

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/ultimate_fighting/view.bg?articleid=1066225

[Suicidebree]

Hey - all you Rance fans (yes, you bree - and of course you bought a t-shirt :rolleyes:) - JLau just posted up one of his email announcements on his upcoming bout with KFlo



God I hate you sir. J/k. I am an ass kissing douche though but I buy shirts for anything I'm vaguely interested in, in large unnecessary quantities. Its been a month since i ordered had to mention it since their page has no contact address.

In real news...anyone else think Joe Stevenson has a chance this weekend? the more I see of him the more I think he could pull off this upset. His guillotine is vicious though I don't see Penn tapping.

[Cromwell]

God I hate you sir. J/k. I am an ass kissing douche though but I buy shirts for anything I'm vaguely interested in, in large unnecessary quantities. Its been a month since i ordered had to mention it since their page has no contact address.


Dude - he's been hawking shirts all over Myspace. Contact him there.




In real news...anyone else think Joe Stevenson has a chance this weekend? the more I see of him the more I think he could pull off this upset. His guillotine is vicious though I don't see Penn tapping.


Yeah, I watched the "Countdown" show last night too. I'm also impressed with Joe Daddy's training regimen up there in Big Bear.

Its gonna be an interesting fight. Looking forward to Saturday night. :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

It all depends on Penn. I imagine that we can all agree when he is "on" he may be one of the best fighters around. But he has that crazy laid back Hawaiian mentality. You dont know what his cardio will be like until saturday night, and that is the big determining factor in that fight.
I did love the high altitude bed tent though, he's friggin nuts!

[Palerider4146]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10818


Looks like Couture vs the UFC is getting nasty. Going to court with Zuffa suing Randy. Looks like the monetary amount is only 10K, but it would avoid him from fighting out of the ufc for a while. A bit of a black eye on the sport. I wonder who really is to blame here.

[mendozathejew]

A bit of a black eye on the sport. I wonder who really is to blame here.

gee I wonder:icon_eek:

but I'll type this drivel again- this is just the characteristics of the fight game. it is just what happens. mma wasnt going to be any different

[Chino Kapone]

Last night was my first night back doing MMA in about 2.5 years. After this weekend i realized i had a bit of aggression to get out, and one of my boys is always up there. It felt great being punched in the face, thowing some punches back and getting back to my wrestling roots. Too much fun, im so glad to be back.

[Palerider4146]

gee I wonder:icon_eek:

but I'll type this drivel again- this is just the characteristics of the fight game. it is just what happens. mma wasnt going to be any different

I wouldnt be so quick to blame Zuffa outright. Dont get me wrong, I'm sure they have their large part, but I wouldnt be surprised if Randy, or more so, Randy's agent plays a big role in this also. Just my two cents!

[Palerider4146]

Last night was my first night back doing MMA in about 2.5 years. After this weekend i realized i had a bit of aggression to get out, and one of my boys is always up there. It felt great being punched in the face, thowing some punches back and getting back to my wrestling roots. Too much fun, im so glad to be back.

Sorry for the two posts, but I'm a "unable to multi quote douche!".

I cant wait to get into it for no other reason to get back in shape and blow off some steam from my soon to be divorce. Just have to sell my damn house and I'll be able to afford it. Renzo Gracie is opening a school near me and Caveman, I'm really curious how expensive it's going to be.

[mik3]

I hope Gonzaga wins in crushing fashion this weekend to get back into the HW picture.

[Suicidebree]

Sorry for the two posts, but I'm a "unable to multi quote douche!".

I cant wait to get into it for no other reason to get back in shape and blow off some steam from my soon to be divorce. Just have to sell my damn house and I'll be able to afford it. Renzo Gracie is opening a school near me and Caveman, I'm really curious how expensive it's going to be.

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

[Capt.Caveman]

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

i'd love to go but i'll stick to my 185 every 3 months

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC 80 Thread if your getting the ppv later stay away it's on tape delay later go here

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=83832

[Cromwell]

I'm in :icon_cool

[mendozathejew]

pictures from an Affliction ad

http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_1.jpg
http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_2.jpg
http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_3.jpg

[Kid Brock]

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

i'd love to go but i'll stick to my 185 every 3 months


Yikes $250? Even the premium membership at Couture's gym here is $150.

[Capt.Caveman]

Yikes $250? Even the premium membership at Couture's gym here is $150.

do you know any cheaper schools in vegas. my nephew is looking to get back into bjj. he was doing it for a while when he was living home but now that he's got his own place and a family he can't afford it. i think he was going to a school on harmon(i could be wrongon the street)

[Chino Kapone]

I am fucking buying head gear this week. I still have cauliflower ear from 10 years ago when i was in high school, and i can tell im gonna get it again.

[Palerider4146]

Even $200 a month will be out of my range in my post-divorce life. That's a big nut to crack. May need to check out either Cavemans school or two of the others over near here.

BTW Caveman, if you hear of any 2 bedroom rentals in your development, let me know how much they are going for. Thanks

[Capt.Caveman]

Even $200 a month will be out of my range in my post-divorce life. That's a big nut to crack. May need to check out either Cavemans school or two of the others over near here.

BTW Caveman, if you hear of any 2 bedroom rentals in your development, let me know how much they are going for. Thanks

No Problem I'll let you know, and there is one in middletown on 35, one in point pleasent, one in toms river and I heard a rumor about one in keansburg but haven't found anything on it. Mine is in matawan right on main street

[mendozathejew]

Tito Ortiz says hes taking the Machida fight, the final fight on his contract, then leaving UFC. atleast thats what he says

article in spoiler
Another UFC champion is speaking out against the promotion he once called home.

In an interview on Sirius’ Fight Network Radio on Monday, a disgruntled Tito Ortiz cited money as a primary point of contention with Zuffa LLC, the Las Vegas-based company that purchased the mixed martial arts’ brand in early 2001 and turned it into a $200 million-plus industry over the next five years.

“They don’t want the fighters to get as big as a 'Tyson' or a 'De La Hoya' or one of those types because all of a sudden, they’ll be expecting to see a lot more payment,” said Ortiz. “The UFC makes about 99 percent of the money, and the rest goes to the fighters. That one percent ain't nothing compared to what they make on merchandising, on pay-per-view, and everything else they make around the world.”

Ortiz is not the only marquee fighter to take Zuffa to task. UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture resigned from the organization on Oct. 11, citing compensation and poor treatment within the company as his main motivations. Couture walked away from his title, two contracted fights and a separate employment contract for commentating and promotional duties. Zuffa filed suit with Couture last Monday for breach of his employment contract.

A polarizing former UFC light heavyweight champion, Ortiz confirmed he will face Lyoto Machida (12-0) at a UFC event on Saturday, May 24 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The bout will satisfy the final fight of his UFC contract.

Expecting a rematch with “The Ultimate Fighter 2” winner Rashad Evans, Ortiz (15-5-1) said he begrudgingly accepted the bout with the Japanese-Brazilian fighter who toppled PRIDE sensation Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou with a second-round submission at UFC 79 “Nemesis” on Dec. 29 in Las Vegas.

“I was expecting a bigger fight. I think the fans were expecting a bigger fight,” said Ortiz. “I got pressed into it, and all of a sudden, it’s all over the Internet that Tito Ortiz won’t fight Machida. I’m just looking to get my final fight over with the UFC.”

Ortiz has headlined 17 of his 20 UFC appearances since he stepped into the Octagon at UFC 13 “Ultimate Force” in May 1997. Energetic and captivating, Ortiz became the UFC’s light heavyweight champion after his victory against future PRIDE Fighting Championships star Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25 in April 2004. A poster boy for the promotion, he lost the title to Chuck Liddell (21-5) via a second-round TKO at UFC 47 four years later.

Ortiz’s rematch against Liddell at UFC 66 in December 2006 remains the largest UFC pay-per-view to date, with a reported 1,000,050 buys. The event also holds the North American record for paid attendance, with 12,191 fans shelling out $5,397,300 to see the former friends rumble. The 33-year-old said he’s banked over $ 1 million per fight in his latest outings, but that half those wages go to taxes and training expenses.

Money has always been at the root of a rocky relationship with Zuffa officials. In 2003, Ortiz held out on a pay raise from the Las Vegas promotion in favor of a supporting movie role in a sequel to “The Crow." Ortiz eventually returned to the fold, but the relationship remained strained.

Ortiz’s troubles with the promotion have become public fodder, particularly with his former manager turned UFC president Dana White, who has belittled the fighter and his girlfriend, Jenna Jameson -- the world’s most recognizable porn star -- in numerous interviews.

The clash between promoter and fighter came to a head last fall, when Spike TV aired a special documenting a regulated boxing session the two were to have had in a Las Vegas gym. Ortiz said he pulled out of the bout ahead of time, claiming compensation for the publicity stunt was never agreed upon. The cameras rolled with White waiting at the scales.

Nearing the end of his contract last year, Ortiz opted to go back to the table with UFC majority owner Lorenzo Fertitta. Subsequent negotiations stalled.

“They said I wasn’t worth the money,” said Ortiz. “I was worth no more than what I’m getting paid now, and I’m not a commodity to them anymore. I’m not as viable to them anymore. That was a sign of disrespect.”

Ortiz also believes White's ill feelings towards him will most likely prevent the fighter from getting a shot at the UFC title again.

"With Dana in charge, I don't think that fight will ever happen for me," said Ortiz. "Dana has bad blood for me and nothing but bad blood. They're going to try and ruin me."

Often at the center of controversy in the sport, bleached-blonde wrestler Ortiz, 33, has managed to stay in the spotlight despite his inactivity. After his heated July 7 draw with “The Ultimate Fighter 3” reality TV series winner Rashad Evans (11-0-1) at UFC 73 “Stacked” in Sacramento, Ortiz (15-5-1) landed a stint on NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice,” alongside KISS frontman Gene Simmons and actor Stephen Baldwin. The show is now in its third week, with Ortiz donating his earnings to the St. Jude’s Children's Hospital.

“UFC is caring so much about the brand itself,” said Ortiz. “They could care less about the fighters. Fighters are a dime a dozen. They’ll keep coming. Dana is really out for himself and the company. He doesn’t give a s--t about the fighters.”


http://www.thefightnetwork.com//news_detail.php?nid=6048

[mik3]

I don't know if he's using the threat to get a new money contract, I don't know if they feel he's worth it at this point.

If he wins he'll probably get whatever he wants though.

[mendozathejew]

I don't know if he's using the threat to get a new money contract, I don't know if they feel he's worth it at this point.

in the article, Tito said zuffa told him straight up he isnt worth more money

[mik3]

True, but at this point if he can sign for the same money then he has to take that as a win.

I'm sure if there really was a McMahon/Cuban organization in the works he'd be one of the first guys they'd go for.

[mendozathejew]

maybe he thinks M1 will sign him. a fight with him and fedor would be interesting. there really wouldnt be any weight difference since tito cuts so much at lt hw

[Cromwell]

I think Tito is showing disrespect to Machida. Saying its a "lesser" fight - than what? Does he think he deserves another title shot? That title rematch shot has been earned by Lidell. Who by the way would kick Tito's ass yet-again. Machida will probably beat his ass. Tito should fight Bisbing. Those two are on the same (mid) level now.

Mendoza - where are those pictures of Randy and Fedor from? Have they been contracted to fight?

[Chino Kapone]

OOOOooOoooOOOOooooOOooOO Isn't there a fight night tonite!?!?!?!?!?

My DVR will be set! Can't wait!

[Cromwell]

Yeah, there's something on tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_03.jpg
I'll watch
(I pretty much watch it all)

[mendozathejew]

I think Tito is showing disrespect to Machida. Saying its a "lesser" fight - than what? Does he think he deserves another title shot? That title rematch shot has been earned by Lidell. Who by the way would kick Tito's ass yet-again. Machida will probably beat his ass. Tito should fight Bisbing. Those two are on the same (mid) level now.

Mendoza - where are those pictures of Randy and Fedor from? Have they been contracted to fight?

the pictures are from an ad or commercial they were filming. Randy still says hes waiting out his contract and fighting fedor in october.

Tito took the fight apparently. he has said he accepted it but he doesnt want it so who knows. ofcourse hes disrespectful of Machida. He has sain the past that he will 'never lose to a brazilian.' good luck keeping that promise tito. machida is from brazil

[burky79]

Yeah, there's something on tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_03.jpg
I'll watch
(I pretty much watch it all)

oh yeah... gotta watch, its like a bad drug.... but its ohhhhh so good.
;)

[mik3]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?

[Save My Up's Dick]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?
I hope not, I kinda like this kid. Still think he has a lot to prove, that division is kinda deep.

Nice win for him.

[mik3]

That was a great win, especially since it looked like everything he did was getting turned on him. He comes off like a douche but he's really talented.

[mendozathejew]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?

he won by forfeit basically though. he was helpless til manny's arm fell out the socket.

I think they are walking a fine line between building their tuf winners and throwing them in too deep.

as I type this Nick is behind nate during the interview. he looks like hes walking around in the 180s. thats by far the heaviest ive seen him

[mik3]

he won by forfeit basically though. he was helpless til manny's arm fell out the socket
Very true. Manny looked great in his last fight. I wonder if the powers that be feel more like he's the real TUF5 winner. Though Joe seems to have gained the most by it.

[mik3]

How many fights is Nick's proelite contract?

[mendozathejew]

How many fights is Nick's proelite contract?

no clue........his last performance didnt go well

http://i29.tinypic.com/20psbbs.gif

classy reaction to the crowd though
http://i30.tinypic.com/141topd.gif http://i29.tinypic.com/29ojvc6.gif


I cant understand why Im a fan of this guy. I guess its cause the promoters marginalize him at every turn

[mik3]

Yeah, he seems to get fucked over, but he seems to put himself in a position to get fucked over.

I'd like Gomi to fight again soon, hopefully against Diaz. But who knows, since Gomi was randomly at UFC79 after not being seen for about a year.

[mendozathejew]

I think Gomi in the loss to Diaz actually ruined him. the guy has been moving like hes in water ever since. diaz took alot of shots. gomi did too but he has that retard mongolian head

[mik3]

For real, it's like he's wearing a Halloween mask on a normal head.

Also, Omigawa has one of those slick japanese starter mullets.

[mendozathejew]

cut men's salary must have taken a sharp increase in the past couple years. especially the top ones like stitch duran. between mma and boxing theyve always got work

[mik3]

Yeah, Stitch works kickboxing/mma/boxing. He has a radio show also.

[mendozathejew]

Yeah, Stitch works kickboxing/mma/boxing. He has a radio show also.

really? thats interesting. what does he focus on talking about? his fighting background was in muay thai

[mik3]

If I remember correctly it's on in Vegas only and it's called the 13th round. It covers all fight sports.

[mik3]

Drunk groupie whore fight?

[mendozathejew]

bruce buffer should be shot

[mik3]

Did he just say "I love you......and FUCK YOU"?

[mendozathejew]

something along those lines. they were a little slow on the dump button

[burky79]

what a kick!

as Joe said "He caught that shin with his head"

[mik3]

I love interviews like that.

"I thought it was a punch, I don't know, I'm still knocked out." And he won the fight.

[mendozathejew]

they arent really throwing hands and exchanging like they should to settle this thing

[mik3]

Swick will win based on the ole octagon control.

[mendozathejew]

that was Teddy Atlas' "silent agreement" thing in the ring. they basically both decided to do just enough to look active without any real attempt to trade and prove anything

[mik3]

Yeah, I think Burkman continuously trying for take downs while making zero progress killed that fight.

[mendozathejew]

neither did much. both guys realized, if you dont push this fight, I wont either. thats how duds happen. they arent afraid to get hit, but they are afraid to lose

[nitron]

Alberto Crane vs Kurt Pellegrino was a disappointment. Crane landed that big kick to Kurt's face. It looked like he was going to finish him, but AC managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. :arrrh:

[Capt.Caveman]

swick burkman was boring. swick waited til the 2nd to start throwing but he was tenative and burkman only wanted the take down...main event jitters the rest of the fights weren't that bad for younger guys

[mendozathejew]

grey maynard and corey hill supposedly had quick exciting KOs. they would have been better off showing that

[mik3]

UFC banning Affliction shirts from TV.

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC banning Affliction shirts from TV.

why?

[mik3]

Because there's talks affliction might start an organization so Zuffa's saying it's would be like fighters coming down in PRIDE shirts back in the day.

[mendozathejew]

its going to be hilarious watching zuffa trying to hold onto its monopoly over the game

[mik3]

The Undertaker, who's a huge MMA fan, won his match with a gogoplata tonight.

[mik3]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/_absinthe_/UTGogoplata.jpg

[Capt.Caveman]

The Undertaker, who's a huge MMA fan, won his match with a gogoplata tonight.

that's terrific :clap:

[Capt.Caveman]

its going to be hilarious watching zuffa trying to hold onto its monopoly over the game

i just want all the best fighters in 1 place. maybe have a super bowl at the end of the year every year.

[Palerider4146]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/_absinthe_/UTGogoplata.jpg

Ok considering that I havnt watched pro rasslin since HS, this kind of irks me a bit, but you cant stop them from jumping on the bandwagon. Did anyone see the corpse that was Vince McMahon on the Apprentice the other night, shit what kind of cancer did he catch???

[mik3]

I don't care if the undertaker does shit like that 'cause he's been into MMA for ages, before it blew up.

[Cromwell]

Chuck Liddell on right now with O&A.

He's got a book to hawk.

He'll be signing at Virgin Megastore this week (I think Wednesday).

[Capt.Caveman]

good interview. he seems like a fun guy. i wouldn't punch him in the back of the head though

[Capt.Caveman]

Looks like they're gonna spice up TUF 7



MMAjunkie.com Reveals the UFC’s Big Change for “The Ultimate Fighter 7″
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 30, 2008 at 10:35 am ET
UFC President Dana White has promised a big surprise for the upcoming seventh season of “The Ultimate Fighter” — a major format change for the groundbreaking reality show — and MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has learned what it likely is.

Although we will not release any fight results from the show (we never post fight spoilers), we will reveal a fairly significant change in the way this season works.

According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode.

“The Ultimate Fighter 7” features UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton Jackson and season-one winner Forrest Griffin as coaches. The season features only middleweight (185-lb.) fighters and debuts April 2 on Spike TV. A stacked UFC Fight Night 13 event precedes the season premier of the show.

The likely format change should be warmly received by critics of the show who complain that the series focuses more on the drama and in-house antics than it does training and the actual fights. Additionally, many of the show’s weaker cast members will likely be eliminated before they’re even technically a part of the cast, assuring that only the cream of the crop are in the house for the duration of the show.

Unfortunately, we have no information on how the initial match-ups might be determined.

To date, MMAjunkie.com has already revealed more than a dozen cast members. However, there will be more than a dozen more to come because of the show’s new format.

For the latest news about “The Ultimate Fighter 7,” including a list of all the latest cast members confirmed by MMAjunkie.com, check out the UFC Rumors (www.mmajunkie.com/ufc-rumors) section of the site.

[TheTruth]

I love how the TV promo's for the upcoming UFC ppv, one of the clips of Brock Lesnar they have is him power bombing a woman

[Capt.Caveman]

I love how the TV promo's for the upcoming UFC ppv, one of the clips of Brock Lesnar they have is him power bombing a woman

that bitch shouldn't have got all uppidy

[mik3]

A lot of people are saying Shogun/Chuck for 83. heh

[Gotti420]

A lot of people are saying Shogun/Chuck for 83. heh

should be a great fight if it happens

[mendozathejew]

I guess Machida continues to get ducked


Shogun alread signed the contract
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5604&zoneid=2

[Capt.Caveman]

I guess Machida continues to get ducked


Shogun alread signed the contract
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5604&zoneid=2

machida is supposed to fight tito at 84 or 85

[mik3]

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[supers4972]

The UFC 81 looks like a solid card. I am looking forward to Brock/Mir. I hit up the weigh-ins on Friday and got some pics.

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[supers4972]

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[mendozathejew]

great shots man. youve got to get some of these printed then take them back at future events for autographs. just a thought

renzo really looks like a goof

[nitron]

all the hype around ufc 81 makes it look like "the Brock Lesnar show". its easy to forget that Nogueira/Sylvia are in the main event.

[Capt.Caveman]

Upcoming UFC events

UFC 81
Tonite

Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir

Tim "The Maine-iac" Sylvia VS Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira

Tyson Griffin VS Gleison Tibau

Terry Martin VS Marvin "The Beastman" Eastman

Keita "K-Taro" Nakamura VS Rob Emerson

Nate "The Great" Marquardt VS Jeremy Horn

Chris "Lights Out" Lytle VS Kyle Bradley

David Heath VS Tim Boetsch

Rob Yudnt VS Ricardo Almeida


UFC 82: Pride of a Champion

Saturday, March 1st, 2008
Nationwide Arena
Columbus, Ohio

Anderson "The Spider" Silva VS Dan "Hollywood" Henderson

John "The Hurricane" Halverson VS Jorge Gurgel

Josh Koscheck VS Dustin Hazelett

Luke Cummo VS Luigi Fioravanti

Cheick Kongo VS Heath "Texas Crazy Horse" Herring

Andre "Pitbull" Arlovski VS Jake O'Brien

Jon Fitch VS Chris Wilson

Diego "Nightmare" Sanchez VS David Bielkheden

Evan Tanner VS Yushin Okami

Alessio "Legionarius" Sakara VS Chris "The Crippler" Leben

Event Details
UFC Fight Night 13

Wednesday April , 2nd
Broomfield Event Center
Colorado

Kenny "Kenflo" Florian VS Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon

Karo "The Heat" Parisyan VS Thiago "Pitbull" Alves

Matt Hamill VS Stephan "The American Psycho" Bonnar

Clay "The Carpenter" Guida VS Samy Schiavo

Spencer "The King" Fisher VS Marcus "Maximus" Aurelio

Josh Neer VS Din "Dinyero" Thomas

Anthony Johnson VS Tommy Speer

Houston Alexander VS James Irvin

Gray Maynard VS Frank "The Answer" Edgar


UFC 83

Saturday, April 19th, 2008
Bell Centre
Montreal, Canada

Georges "Rush" St Pierre VS Matt "The Terror" Serra

Mark Bocek VS Mac Danzig

Joe Doerkson VS Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald

Kalib Starnes VS Nate "The Rock" Quarry

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout VS Rich "No Love" Clementi

Kuniyoshi Hironaka VS Jonathan Goulet

Charles "Chainsaw" McCarthy VS Michael "The Count" Bisping

Rich "Ace" Franklin VS Travis Lutter

UFC 84

Saturday, May 24th, 2008
MGM Grand Garden Arena
Las Vegas, Nevada

Sean "The Muscle Shark" Sherk VS BJ "The Prodigy" Penn

Ryoto "Lyoto" Machida VS Tito "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz

Thiago Silva VS Rashad Evans

Ivan Salaverry VS Rousimar Palhares

[Capt.Caveman]

all the hype around ufc 81 makes it look like "the Brock Lesnar show". its easy to forget that Nogueira/Sylvia are in the main event.

yea i'm really looking foward to that fight too. i wanna check out lesner I hear he's a beast. But i really wanna see antonio snap silvias arm.

[supers4972]

I am doing that.

I am also going to start training at Xtreme Couture in a few months. I am having gastric bypass next month and once I am up and around I will be able to work with Randy's crew.

[Flea_Man]

I cunt wait. Tonight will be a good show.

[Cromwell]

I am doing that.

I am also going to start training at Xtreme Couture in a few months. I am having gastric bypass next month and once I am up and around I will be able to work with Randy's crew.

Good for you, Dude.

Yeah, definitely get yourself in shape a bit first, before you start training. Definitely want to start with your diet :icon_mrgr

Those are some great pictures you got with those fighters. I'm jealous.

Hey Caveman - you around? Who else is watching the fight tonight?

[burky79]

Watching.

I'll start a watching thread.

I may behind as I am watching on --pc-st

----

here is the watching thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?p=2400742#post2400742)

WARNING MAY BE SPOILERS!!!

[Cromwell]

Watching.

I'll start a watching thread.

I may behind as I am watching on --pc-st

Cool.

I'm watching now too. Good lightweight bout at the moment. Tyson Griffin v. Tibau

[Rance]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

[mendozathejew]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

without a doubt. rance, do you think Nog is slowing down or physically declining? Ive been a fan of Nog for years, and would rather not see him wheeled out of the octagon some day

[TheTruth]

Brock Lesnar's proved that a boxer or someone like Tyson who isn't well rounded would do in MMA. To me Lesnar looked very sloppy aside from his takedown of Mir, but once he had Mir to the ground he just starts swinging wildly, that style will work some of the time, but he will never be a champ, because when he fights the more experienced fighters like Mir they can ride it out and still get the win despite getting pounded.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Brock could be a viable HW, if he learns BJJ and submission defense, his striking also needs help, IMO. If he can pull it all together, then he might have a opportunity to advance against the elite in MMA.

[mendozathejew]

Brock could be a viable HW, if he learns BJJ and submission defense, his striking also needs help, IMO. If he can pull it all together, then he might have a opportunity to advance against the elite in MMA.

He actually checked a leg kick properly. that was good to see. He has potential, he'll be a tough out for just about everyone even if he never acquires very good sub defense.


meanwhile Andre Arlovski's last fight on his UFC contract is going to be a dark match....looks like he will be leaving the UFC. Between Fedor, AA, and Josh Barnett there will be good HW match ups to make in 08 outside of the UFC.

[supers4972]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

Rance

How is your training coming? I'm looking forward to your fight with Florian. Hopefully I will be able to meet you in person. 155 is by far the deepest and best division in MMA.

[Capt.Caveman]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

preach on brother

[Palerider4146]

Hey Caveman - you around? Who else is watching the fight tonight?


Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm


Good to see Rance around again. Are you back in Hilo or training in Mass?

[Cromwell]

Rance

How is your training coming? I'm looking forward to your fight with Florian. Hopefully I will be able to meet you in person. 155 is by far the deepest and best division in MMA.

Ha, ha. You want to meet what appears to be the only guy left in MMA that you haven't got in a picture with :rolleyes:



Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm


No love? I only post your picture every single time I post here :icon_wink

Anyway, I was just looking for the most notorious post-whores, and when it comes to these MMA threads, caveman is about the worst (though burky subbed in quite capably) :D


Good to see Rance around again. Are you back in Hilo or training in Mass?

He seems to be quite active on Myspace lately. Lots of catch-up info there :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

I know Crom, just busting them. Been busy lately and still trying to sell this damn house. We shall talk more...

[Cromwell]

Looking forward to you, your Paleness :icon_wink

Hey - speaking of Lauzon's - the other one has a fight coming up and a nice little feature currently running at Fight Hype:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1878.html

Apparently Dana will be in attendance, and brother Dan will be looking to impress.

I also see that Dan is sponsored by Tapout, so I look forward to his possible episode when the new season of Tapout starts again this June. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm




I just have a sweeter backside sir:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

Anyway, I was just looking for the most notorious post-whores, and when it comes to these MMA threads, caveman is about the worst

SSSSAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is very hurtful sir....very True but very hurtful:icon_cry:

[Palerider4146]

I just have a sweeter backside sir:action-sm

Sir how can you compare something you have yet to see. Now you and I may need to take care of this on the mat, where to sweaty men can really get down to the nitty gritty of who's backside is sweeter. Talking about sweet backsides, did I mention it's good to see rance back on here.

[Capt.Caveman]

Sir how can you compare something you have yet to see. Now you and I may need to take care of this on the mat, where to sweaty men can really get down to the nitty gritty of who's backside is sweeter. Talking about sweet backsides, did I mention it's good to see rance back on here.

i'll bring the baby oil tiger

[Cromwell]

OK - now, I could be way off base about this - but - did it just get a little gay in here? :icon_eek:

[Capt.Caveman]

OK - now, I could be way off base about this - but - did it just get a little gay in here? :icon_eek:

gay or insanely hot...huh...huh.....nothin?;):icon_redf

[mendozathejew]

holy shit, this isnt right

:icon_eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jiK1CDvug

[Palerider4146]

holy shit, this isnt right

:icon_eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jiK1CDvug


Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.

[Cromwell]

those kids do have some nice skills.

I thought it was a great fight.

At first it looked like Dakota was going to run right through
Aaron - but then the kid started battling back. As you can see it was a split decision. Aaron has some good kicking skills, but needs to work on his hands more.

But what the hey - they're only 8 year olds :icon_mrgr

I will be following this "Pure Breed" league more closely now.

Thanks mendoza - for pointing this out to us. :)

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.


You're right, they should be limited to some sort of point system with protective gear.

However, that won't stop some parents from doing their own underground pit fight with children. Gee, I want a punch drunk eighteen-year-old...

[mendozathejew]

Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.

exactly my thoughts. If one of these kids gets hurt, it could be devastating for MMA. it is not good for business. but if you are gonna do it, atleast use head gear and larger padded gloves.

cant say I didnt enjoy it though :icon_neut

[Capt.Caveman]

i gotta agree with you this is real bad for the sport. it's just the ammo one of these tree hugging anti fight assholes needs.

[supers4972]

Crocop is on his way to Japan for a big announcement. Any thoughts? I don't think its a bright future in the UFC.

Anyone getting pumped for the WEC tomorrow? The card is stacked.

[mendozathejew]

Back to K1 kickboxing maybe? or k1 mma

[mik3]

K1 MMA is what mmanews is saying. And Fedor wrote a letter calling out Dana White.

[mendozathejew]

And Fedor wrote a letter calling out Dana White.

yes and its a gem. kinda hard for Dana to dismiss Fedor when the new interim UFC champ is a guy Fedor beat 2.5 times when Nog was still in his prime

[supers4972]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.

[mik3]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.
?

White won't let his guys fight him and he wasn't going to sign the restricted deal(which was for money) that they wanted him to sign.

[mendozathejew]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.

well his org collapsed after he had already cleaned out the division. the new owner wouldnt let him compete in sambo in russia, that was his breaking point. along with the general disrespect that Dana White throws at people, which is definitely a reason randy left, and its definitely a reason Arlovski is likely to bounce....and Sylvia also tempted to make that move.

Josh Barnett is top 5 at worst and thats the fight that Fedor has needed for years. Barnett has wins over Couture and Nog. If AA or Sylvia leaves after his contract ends, there is a nice HW division outside the UFC, arguably better. But it probably wont be any one orgs division. exclusive contracts will not be the norm long term, their wont be a monopoly. its just the fight games nature.

[Cromwell]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/WEC32_EMAIL_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/WEC32_EMAIL_02.jpg

Looks like some entertaining fights tonight :icon_cool

[mik3]

WEC tonight has been pretty exciting.

[supers4972]

WEC tonight has been pretty exciting.

Garcia and Varner KO's were awesome.

Torres submission was great.

[Papagolash]

MotherFUCK I KNEW I was forgetting something last night. God dammit

[mik3]

There was a flying armbar that didn't make the broadcast, someone needs to find this.

[Capt.Caveman]

does anyone else hope tank decapitates kimbo with a right hook tommorow night?

[Capt.Caveman]

pic from the weigh in for tank vs kimbo


http://mmajunkie.com/images/EliteXCStreetCertified/Kimbo%20Slice%20vs%20Tank%20Abbott.jpg

[Suicidebree]

That fight was a jokg, Tank cared less than ever. Kimbo while exciting, not so much if he gets taken down by a real jui jitsu or wrestling guy. The guy pushed the ref away and threw a mouth piece in the stands and the ref didnt stand up to him to get another. HAHa funny just not great for the sport.

[Capt.Caveman]

tank was a joke he didn't even try. kimbo needs real competition

[mendozathejew]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

[TheTruth]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

Not to take anything away from Kimbo, but he has only faught 1 dimentional fighters so far. Ray Mercer which is just a joke, Bo Cantrell (don't know about his fighting style) and Tank Abbott. I want to see him fight someone who isn't just going to stand up with him. Abbott is not a take the fight to the ground guy at all so all Kimbo had to do was swing away and not really worry about a take down. I would be willing to bet Fedor would own Kimbo.

[Capt.Caveman]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

they will keep throwing chumps and has beens at him. he's a joke.

[mendozathejew]

http://i25.tinypic.com/25upni0.gif

saw this and had to post it. Shinya Aoki is one of Rogans favorites, he has sick submissions

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Did he break the elbow, or just dislocate it?

[mendozathejew]

Did he break the elbow, or just dislocate it?

you can hear it break
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k

[MattyIceGfunk]

Wow this is the line on our boy Joe:

UFCUltimate Fight Night - Lightweights - Wed, Apr 2nd (10pm) @ Broomfield Event Center, CO

Kenny Florian -200
Joe Lauzon +160

I'll take Joe for sure!

[Cromwell]

Cuban enters Couture tug-of-war

By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports

The likely promoter of a potential Randy Couture vs. Fedor Emelianenko match was revealed last week when Mark Cuban's HDNet Fights filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Dallas against Zuffa LLC, the parent company of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

The suit is an attempt to get a court ruling on when Couture's contract expires and when he can fight for Cuban, who is best known as the billionaire owner of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks, or another non-UFC promoter.

The suit comes on the heels of Zuffa’s attempt through the Nevada courts to get an injunction to bar Couture from appearing on rival MMA shows, citing a non-compete clause in Couture's employment contract. Couture’s employment contract is separate from the fighting contract, which is the basis for Cuban’s suit.

"Obviously we're going to address the lawsuit that was filed in Dallas, Texas, in a timely and very direct fashion," said Zuffa attorney Don Campbell. "Our point is that Couture is still obligated to the requirements of the terms of the contract, which are unambiguous."

Cuban’s HDNet, a television station available in only a small percentage of U.S. homes, has heavily focused on building around MMA programming. Cuban previously made headlines by engaging in talks with Floyd Mayweather Jr., the pound-for-pound boxing king, about potential participation in MMA.

A Couture-Emelianenko match would likely have more business potential on pay-per-view than any MMA fight not promoted by the UFC. Not only would it possibly put another promotion on the map as a genuine, significant rival to UFC, something many groups have tried to be but none have really succeeded at, but it would answer probably the most important question regarding the future of the sport:

Is MMA popular, or just the UFC?

UFC has run numerous pay-per-view cards that have drawn from 600,000-1.05 million buys. No non-UFC promotion has ever done more than 75,000 buys.

Emelianenko, in particular, has been a pay-per-view flop in North America as a headliner for Pride and Bodog Fight. The Russian fighter, who was long considered the world’s pound-for-pound best, did an anemic 13,000 buys for his lone 2007 match, against Matt Lindland.

Couture topped 500,000 buys on both of his 2007 UFC matches. A match with Emelianenko will likely show the upper limits of what the best fight possible, without UFC backing, could draw on pay-per-view.

The 44-year old Couture signed a four-fight, 18-month contract, on January 19, 2007, with UFC. This included a $500,000 signing bonus, half of which was paid upon the signing of the contract and the other half upon the completion of the first fight, the March 2 match where he defeated Tim Sylvia to win the UFC heavyweight title in Columbus, Ohio.

Between all monies, which included guarantees and a sliding percentage of pay-per-view revenue, as well as a second employment contract, Couture earned about $3 million in his two fights during 2007, along with some other outside work with the company. This includes money from a secondary contract as a company employee, paying him $200,000 per year, which included a one-year non-compete provision.

On the second contract, it appears both sides agree that when Couture quit the company on Oct. 11, he couldn't work for a rival promotion until that date this year.

But the fight contract is what is under dispute in the lawsuit filed by Cuban's company. Couture is claiming when the 18-month period expires on July 19, the contract is over, although he has done interviews in the past stating he'll honor the non-compete from the employment contract and feels he can fight again in October.

Zuffa is claiming that Couture didn't fulfill his contract, and that he owes them two more fights. There is a specific clause in the contract that stated in the event Couture retired, the 18-month time frame is frozen in that he's still bound to the company to fulfill the time frame if he decides to fight again. Couture has never used the term retirement, but used the term resignation. UFC president Dana White has stated that he believes you can't just resign in the middle of a valid contract, and has publicly offered him title defenses.

Couture is the currently recognized UFC heavyweight champion, although he personally claims he has not been champion since he quit the company. Zuffa has since created an interim heavyweight championship, which Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira won on Feb. 2 in Las Vegas in a match with Sylvia. Immediately after the match, White talked of trying to get Couture back for a match with Nogueira. Couture has been adamant that he is done with UFC unless UFC agrees to do a co-promotion with the M-1 Global promotion, which owns Emelianenko's contract.

White last year attempted to sign Emelianenko, an offer which included a seven-figure signing bonus and $1.5 million per fight, but the Russian's management turned it down, claiming it was too restrictive. Couture then announced he was leaving UFC, citing his goal was to fight Emelianenko to determine who was the top heavyweight in the world. Ironically, Couture felt disrespected by those terms, because Emelianenko's offered UFC guarantee was much higher than his, and Couture helped build the company and was, at the time of his resignation, the company's most popular fighter.

Couture was on Cuban's Inside MMA TV show on HDNet on Friday night, where both the lawsuit filed by HDNet Fights and UFC's attempt to file an injunction against Couture appearing for rival groups were discussed.

He said the fight with Emelianenko was the one the public wants to see and that the sport has to evolve to where the top fighters face each other, regardless of promotional affiliation. He noted that in boxing the rival promotions work together to promote major fights.

Emelianenko, who is 27-1, is generally considered the best heavyweight MMA fighter. Until recently, he was ranked No. 1 pound-for-pound in the Yahoo! Sports rankings, a ranking he would likely have retained if he had fought even one match against top heavyweight competition in 2007.

He was the champion of the Pride organization when it was sold to Zuffa last year, and then subsequently was folded. But to some, his stock as the true king and best fighter has dropped because he hasn't faced a legitimate top contender since an August 28, 2005, match in Japan against Mirko Cro Cop. Cro Cop, who was just dropped from his contract by UFC after consecutive losses to Gabriel Gonzaga and Cheick Kongo, is being talked about in Japan as an opponent for Emelianenko in a proposed summer match.

Zuffa sued Couture and then filed an injunction against him, claiming he has violated the non-compete clause by appearing on rival promotion's television shows to do interviews, in specific shows on Cuban's HDNet.

They also are claiming it's a violation because the International Fight League has a new team for the 2008 season called Team Xtreme Couture, featuring fighters from his Las Vegas gym. Couture's argument is that the gym, which bears his name, is separate from himself, and that he is not the coach of the team.

However, the IFL did put a photo of Couture on its web site, briefly, to promote its Feb. 29 show in Las Vegas where Team Xtreme Couture debuts.

The photo was quickly taken down, but Zuffa lawyers captured a screen image and then filed for an injunction to ban Couture from having anything to do with any rival shows.

The request for an injunction, filed in Las Vegas, stated, "If Couture is permitted to terminate his employment and promptly take his well-known name and likeness during the restricted period to one, or more, of Zuffa's competitors so that it can be used to promote upcoming events in other MMA leagues, the harm to Zuffa's business goodwill cannot be calculated."

It has been common knowledge and never a source of conflict in the past when fighters under contract to one organization corner fighters on different shows. Couture has seconded fighters from his gym on shows all over the world, both during his tenure with Zuffa and since his resignation. He was planning on seconding the fighters from his gym at the IFL show, which the injunction is attempting to prevent.


Dave Meltzer covers mixed martial arts for Yahoo! Sports. Meltzer, who has published the pro wrestling trade industry publication the Wrestling Observer Newsletter since 1982, began covering MMA with UFC 1 in 1993. He is a graduate of San Jose State University, and has written for the Oakland Tribune, Los Angeles Times, and The National. Send Dave a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-cubanufc021808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Zuffa needs to start putting up more money for the winners, then maybe they won't have so many unhappy fighters.

[Gotti420]

There is a specific clause in the contract that stated in the event Couture retired, the 18-month time frame is frozen in that he's still bound to the company to fulfill the time frame if he decides to fight again. Couture has never used the term retirement, but used the term resignation. UFC president Dana White has stated that he believes you can't just resign in the middle of a valid contract, and has publicly offered him title defenses.

After reading that it seems like Zuffa is right on this one. You can't just resign from a contract.

[Capt.Caveman]

i like the idea of keeping the fighters hungry. but they need to pay the big names. winner should get a lot more than the loser imo. merch sales from ufc has to be threw the roof with all the ufc shirts and hats i've seen on people not in the mma scene

[Cromwell]

Garcia and Varner KO's were awesome.

Torres submission was great.

Yeah, Varner really surprised me with teh way he came back and knocked out McCullogh like that.

and yeah, Torres sub on Bebe was also a shock. Both titleholders thought there was *no way* they were going to lose. Surprise, surprise. That's why they have the fights.

So, it made it really interesting by the time Condit's fight rolled around. But he's just got amazing sub's from his back. He is a very skilled fighter. He seems a bit light for a welterweight, though. He weighted in at at 167. 3 pounds under. I don't see how he could compete against bigger welterweights like GSP and Fitch. Would love to see it though. Speaking of Fitch, a couple of good articles on his upcoming fight.

First the opponent, Chris Wilson:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2019.html

and then Fitch himself:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2023.html

[mik3]

Walking to my car today I saw a Jeep with "Tito Ortiz is a punk" on the back window. It was raining pretty good or I would have snapped a picture.

[Capt.Caveman]

Walking to my car today I saw a Jeep with "Tito Ortiz is a punk" on the back window. It was raining pretty good or I would have snapped a picture.

jeep suv right. that was my buddy rich. he trains at the school i go to.

[mik3]

jeep suv right. that was my buddy rich. he trains at the school i go to.
Yep, white Grand Cherokee.

[Capt.Caveman]

Yep, white Grand Cherokee.

yea that's him he's a goose

[Capt.Caveman]

North American Grappling Association TOURNEMENT April 5th


For all the bjj fans here there is a tournement on april 5th and 6th in Newark, NJ. I'll be competing with my team there. Here's a link for those interested in attending


http://www.nagafighter.com/worlds2008_home.asp

[supers4972]

I was at the event and Kim did not look good. It really was a Muay Thai smoker but it was not classic Muay Thai and you can tell that all of the fighters trained in multiple disciplines. Her opponent had more experience and she used it. Kim seemed to gas out at the end of the first round and I was watching Randy and Gina and both of them struggled to watch as Kim repeatedly took jabs to the head. To her credit she stayed in the fight and kept coming forward and engaging but clearly her skills need some work.

[JMCC]

I don't know if this was posted, but anyone going to this?

http://yammapitfighting.com/

I didn't think butterbean was still alive, let alone fighting....

[Cromwell]

For all the bjj fans here there is a tournement on april 5th and 6th in Newark, NJ. I'll be competing with my team there.

What weight class and level are you personally competing it, caveman?

This tournament is open to all, you do not need to be on a team or be a member of any organization to compete. NAGA welcomes both individuals and teams to compete. This event is nationally RANKED!


60 CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS AWARDED
NAGA is the only grappling tournament in the world to award 60 CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS to its Children, Teen, Adult, Masters, Directors and Executive Expert Division Winners. All other 1st, 2nd & 3rd place winners take home octagon medals.

ADULT GI & NO-GI ON SATURDAY | KIDS & TEENS ON SUNDAY
Due to the large amount of competitors this tournament attracts each year, we have expanded the tournament into two days. All adults (both gi and no-gi) will compete on Saturday, all children and teens (gi & no-gi) will compete on Sunday. This will allow each day’s event to finish at a reasonable time.

NEW DIVISIONS
New divisions such as Teens Novice and Women's Master have been added. Please check registration form for details.

SANDBAGGERS BEWARE
NAGA works diligently to prevent "sandbagging", or the practice of fighting down skill levels to ensure one takes home an award. The NAGA has been working with RANKED to track all fighters and ranked grappling events to produce true "national standings." A by-product of these standings is our knowledge of who has competed and at which level. Front door personnel will use RANKED data to determine whether or not individuals who have fought in past events belong in a higher skill level (i.e. placed 1st at a prior NAGA event).

RANKED EVENT
All NAGA events are part of the nationwide ranking system entitled RANKED. Our goal is to determine who the best grapplers in the country are for various age, gender and skill levels. NAGA NEW ENGLAND will be nationally Ranked. Don't miss your opportunity to gain points towards a true National Title. You can visit www.nationallyranked.com for current rankings, further details about Ranked, and to sign up.
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I was at the event and Kim did not look good. It really was a Muay Thai smoker but it was not classic Muay Thai and you can tell that all of the fighters trained in multiple disciplines. Her opponent had more experience and she used it. Kim seemed to gas out at the end of the first round and I was watching Randy and Gina and both of them struggled to watch as Kim repeatedly took jabs to the head. To her credit she stayed in the fight and kept coming forward and engaging but clearly her skills need some work.

I take it this is Randy's daughter? How old is she? Does anyone know if that HDNET chanel can be gotten on Long Island Cablevision?



I don't know if this was posted, but anyone going to this?

http://yammapitfighting.com/

I didn't think butterbean was still alive, let alone fighting....

Ha. And there is a fighter named George Bush?!?

Although relatively-reasonably priced (by MMA standards) at $35.00 - its a bunch of no names. I'd be just as happy to watch "WEC Wreckage" on Versus - or the myriad of other MMA and Boxing events that are on nightly - on my various cable channels.

I *am* looking forward to this Saturday nights UFC event, however. :icon_cool

[mendozathejew]

I think Hendo Silva is the most intriguing match since Fedor Cro Cop

[supers4972]

I take it this is Randy's daughter?


No it's his wife
.http://mmajunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/kim-couture.jpghttp://www.xtremecouture.tv/images/Kim.jpg

[Cromwell]

I think Hendo Silva is the most intriguing match since Fedor Cro Cop

Without a doubt. Very much looking forward to that one.




No it's his wife
.http://mmajunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/kim-couture.jpghttp://www.xtremecouture.tv/images/Kim.jpg

Ah, thanks for the info. Nice looking. :)

Here's the latest promo from the UFC:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_84_FIGHTCARD_EMAIL_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_84_FIGHTCARD_EMAIL_02.jpg

I find the Penn-Sherk match one of the most intriguing upcoming fights as well. (And for that matter, the Florian-Lauzon one too). :icon_cool

[chutzd]

Anyone else on here going to the UFC on Saturday?

[Capt.Caveman]

What weight class and level are you personally competing it, caveman?



I'm gonna try to make 189 but it's more likely i'll be going 199 novice (6 months-2years) and over 30 199 to0. so i'm garenteed to matches. my 1st tournement so i'm a lil nervous and excited all at the same time. I'm 213 down 12 already but 189 might be a lil much by apr 5th

[DiscountHarry]

Anyone else on here going to the UFC on Saturday?

:action-sm

I am thinking about bailing out on work today to go to the weigh-ins, but since the weather sucks at the moment I am not so sure.

Club seats across from where the fighters will come out.

[Cromwell]

Anyone else on here going to the UFC on Saturday?

I'll be in front of my computer for it :icon_mrgr


I'm gonna try to make 189 but it's more likely i'll be going 199 novice (6 months-2years) and over 30 199 to0. so i'm garenteed to matches. my 1st tournement so i'm a lil nervous and excited all at the same time. I'm 213 down 12 already but 189 might be a lil much by apr 5th

Good luck, man. I have nothing but respect for anyone who has the guts to get in the ring. Talk is cheap. Showing up and throwing down - that takes guts.

Let us know how it goes, dude.

[Gotti420]

I know its a ways away but check out the main card for UFC 84

B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Lyoto Machida vs. Tito Ortiz
Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva

On paper this is one of the best cards I have ever seen

[supers4972]

84 is solid from top to bottom.

I just bought a 50 inch plasma for the fight this weekend.

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC 82 watching thread

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?p=2465662#post2465662

[Cromwell]

I know its a ways away but check out the main card for UFC 84


Um, thanks.

I guess you didn't see this message before yours




Here's the latest promo from the UFC:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_84_FIGHTCARD_EMAIL_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_84_FIGHTCARD_EMAIL_02.jpg

I find the Penn-Sherk match one of the most intriguing upcoming fights as well. (And for that matter, the Florian-Lauzon one too). :icon_cool



But, looking forward to tonights matches first. Besides the main event, looking foward to Herring vs Kongo, Fitch vs Wison, Leben vs Sakara and Okami vs Tanner. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Um, thanks.

I guess you didn't see this message before yours





But, looking forward to tonights matches first. Besides the main event, looking foward to Herring vs Kongo, Fitch vs Wison, Leben vs Sakara and Okami vs Tanner. :icon_cool

tonites card is solid. not a blockbuster like 84 but a good card none the less

[Capt.Caveman]

to all of you who missed the ppv


Lesner vs Mark Coleman announced later this year

[mendozathejew]

to all of you who missed the ppv


Lesner vs Mark Coleman announced later this year

Prime Mark Coleman wins this, easily. I dont know about now. Im sure hes taking enough HGH to remain youthful. But he is the superior wrestler, he was an Olympian

[Cromwell]

Check this out:

SHONIE CARTER: "I WANT TO BOX DANA WHITE AND WE CAN DO THIS SHIT ON PPV"

"I'm going to snatch crown after crown in big cities and small towns as long as they allow me to participate and I can't wait," stated MMA welterweight Shonie Carter as he discussed his future plans and his upcoming April 12th fight against John Cronk. Check out what else he had to say as he shares his thoughts on Anderson Silva, Andrei Arlovski, Brock Lesnar fighting Mark Coleman, his experience on BET's "Iron Ring Fighting" reality show and much more. You don't want to miss it.

read more

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2124.html


Lol!

I wonder if the spinning backfist will be allowed :icon_wink

[Capt.Caveman]

I really hope the UFC and Arlovski can come to some kind of agreement. He's def in the top 5 in the world. Sylvia is just his kryptonite. he would be the best opponent for nog and IMO he's Fedors toughest challenge. That would be the only good thing if he left is a fight with fedor.

[mik3]

I really hope the UFC and Arlovski can come to some kind of agreement. He's def in the top 5 in the world. Sylvia is just his kryptonite. he would be the best opponent for nog and IMO he's Fedors toughest challenge. That would be the only good thing if he left is a fight with fedor.
Yeah, it'd be good for the UFC if he signed, but it'd be better for the sport if he went elsewhere. You can pretty much have a great HW GP since all the other organizations are smart and interact.

Fujita
Barnett
AA
Cro Cop
Aleks
Kharitonov
Hunt
Rothwell
Monson

[Save My Up's Dick]

I was at the event and Kim did not look good. It really was a Muay Thai smoker but it was not classic Muay Thai and you can tell that all of the fighters trained in multiple disciplines. Her opponent had more experience and she used it. Kim seemed to gas out at the end of the first round and I was watching Randy and Gina and both of them struggled to watch as Kim repeatedly took jabs to the head. To her credit she stayed in the fight and kept coming forward and engaging but clearly her skills need some work.
Here's the fight.

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x4jzq8

[Gotti420]

Shogun is injured and the fight with Chuck is off. I thought something might be up when they only mentioned Chuck fighting at 85 and not Shogun at the PPV last weekend.

The UFC is supposedly going to find a replacement but Tito, Rashad, Machida, Silva, Jardine, Forest, Rampage, Sokodjou, and Henderson all have fights coming up or have fought recently.

[supers4972]

Henderson could be ready to fight but he is better off at 185

[mendozathejew]

Henderson could be ready to fight but he is better off at 185

he hasnt had a win, or looked good at 185 in a long time. unless he takes an immediate rematch with silva, hes outgrown the division.

[mendozathejew]

Shogun is injured and the fight with Chuck is off. I thought something might be up when they only mentioned Chuck fighting at 85 and not Shogun at the PPV last weekend.

The UFC is supposedly going to find a replacement but Tito, Rashad, Machida, Silva, Jardine, Forest, Rampage, Sokodjou, and Henderson all have fights coming up or have fought recently.

he rushed, waaaay to fast from an ACL tear. he needs a year off

[Gotti420]

he hasnt had a win, or looked good at 185 in a long time. unless he takes an immediate rematch with silva, hes outgrown the division.

I agree, but it seems like that's where Dana and the UFC want him.

[Cromwell]

MARCUS DAVIS: "HE MIGHT RUN IN THAT CAGE, BUT I WILL CATCH HIM!"

"I'm always going to try to have KOs and finishes in my fights. I never want to go to a decision. I'm out there putting it all on the line for them," stated UFC welterweight contender Marcus Davis as he talked about his upcoming clash with Mike Swick at UFC 85 in London. Check out what else he had to say about Swick, the fight and much more.



http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2123.html

[Save My Up's Dick]

In case anyone is interested
From MMAweekly

UFC 82 FIGHTER SALARY BREAKDOWN

The fighter salary information for UFC 82, which took place on Saturday, March 1 at the Nationwide Arena in Columbus, Ohio, was made available on Monday.

The following figures are based on the fighter salary information that promoters are required by law to submit to the state athletic commissions, including the winners' bonuses.

Although MMA fighters do not have collective bargaining or a union, the fighters' salaries are still public record, just as with every other major sport in the United States. Any undisclosed bonuses that a promoter also pays its fighters (specifically pay-per-view bonuses, fight of the night bonuses, etc.) are not included in the figures below.

The following fighters received a $60,000 bonus from the UFC for the awards noted: Anderson Silva (Submission of the Night and Fight of the Night for a total of $120,000), Dan Henderson (Fight of the Night with Anderson Silva), and Chris Leben (Knockout of the Night).

In the listings below, " Main Event Fighters" are defined as fighters who compete in the main event of a show. "Main Card Fighters" are defined as fighters whose fights appear on the main card, but not in title fights or in the main event. "Preliminary Match Fighters" are defined as fighters whose matches take place before the live broadcast goes on the air, regardless of whether or not those matches end up airing on the TV broadcast.


MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

-Anderson Silva: $140,000 (defeated Dan Henderson; win bonus was $70,000)

-Dan Henderson: $100,000 (lost to Anderson Silva; win bonus would have been $150,000)


MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

-Heath Herring: $140,000 (defeated Cheick Kongo; win bonus was $70,000)

-Jon Fitch: $60,000 (defeated Chris Wilson; win bonus was $30,000)

-Chris Leben: $50,000 (defeated Alessio Sakara; win bonus was $25,000)

-Cheick Kongo: $30,000 (lost to Heath Herring; win bonus would have been $30,000)

-Yushin Okami: $28,000 (defeated Evan Tanner; win bonus was $14,000)

-Evan Tanner: $25,000 (lost to Yushin Okami; win bonus would have been $25,000)

-Alessio Sakara: $17,000 (lost to Chris Leben; win bonus would have been $17,000)

-Chris Wilson: $12,000 (lost to Jon Fitch; win bonus would have been $12,000)


PRELIMINARY MATCH FIGHTERS

-Andrei Arlovski: $170,000 (defeated Jake O’Brien; win bonus was $65,000)

-Diego Sanchez: $60,000 (defeated David Bielkheden; win bonus was $30,000)

-Josh Koscheck: $20,000 (defeated Dustin Hazelett; win bonus was $10,000)

-Luigi Fioravanti: $16,000 (defeated Luke Cummo; win bonus was $8,000)

-Luke Cummo: $16,000 (lost to Luigi Fioravanti; win bonus would have been $16,000)

-Jorge Gurgel: $14,000 (defeated John Halverson; win bonus was $7,000)

-Dustin Hazelett: $12,000 (lost to Josh Koscheck; win bonus would have been $12,000)

-Jake O’Brien: $11,000 (lost to Andrei Arlovski; win bonus would have been $11,000)

-David Bielkheden: $8,000 (lost to Diego Sanchez; win bonus would have been $8,000)

-John Halverson: $3,000 (lost to Jorge Gurgel; win bonus would have been $3,000)


DISCLOSED FIGHTER PAYROLL: $932,000

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Still waaaaay too low for guys bringing in PPV orders, IMO.

[mendozathejew]

jesus. this was a major card, one of the more heavily promoted UFC cards ive seen in a while. even foxnews had commercials running constantly for this card.

its amazing. for the boxing card on saturday, granted its an all time great trilogy in the history of the sport, but it was still a niche fight for mexican and hardcore boxing fans played on regular Showtime and sold out a modest 8K seat arean.. Israel Vasquez made $850,000, and Marquez made $400,000.

Zuffa is walking a fine line between lowballing their fighters but still paying more than other orgs. if this keeps up, they are bound to get jumped by another promoter first.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Still waaaaay too low for guys bringing in PPV orders, IMO.
Agreed

jesus. this was a major card, one of the more heavily promoted UFC cards ive seen in a while. even foxnews had commercials running constantly for this card.

its amazing. for the boxing card on saturday, granted its an all time great trilogy in the history of the sport, but it was still a niche fight for mexican and hardcore boxing fans played on regular Showtime and sold out a modest 8K seat arean.. Israel Vasquez made $850,000, and Marquez made $400,000.

Zuffa is walking a fine line between lowballing their fighters but still paying more than other orgs. if this keeps up, they are bound to get jumped by another promoter first.
I think I heard a few weeks back that Zuffa is finally, after 7 years, making a profit on the UFC. Maybe now the purse will start going up.

[mendozathejew]

I said it after the GSP fight, Im gona say it again. I think Hughes is going to fight Anderson Silva. hes just commented on one of the mma sites that he sees holes in silva's game. which a wrestler naturally would, I think

he said he wanted to after the first Franklin fight that if rich lost a rematch he wanted it. And as much as I dislike Hughes, I think that the move up in weight would do a ton of good for him, and he matches up well against silva because silva doesnt have great takedown defense.

even though I was rooting for GSP, or against Matt Hughes, in the 3rd fight, I couldnt help but think during the fight that it was a complete mismatch because GSP was cutting so much weight. the move up would be good for hughes imo and he would stand a decent chance at the upset.

[Save My Up's Dick]

I said it after the GSP fight, Im gona say it again. I think Hughes is going to fight Anderson Silva. hes just commented on one of the mma sites that he sees holes in silva's game. which a wrestler naturally would, I think

he said he wanted to after the first Franklin fight that if rich lost a rematch he wanted it. And as much as I dislike Hughes, I think that the move up in weight would do a ton of good for him, and he matches up well against silva because silva doesnt have great takedown defense.

even though I was rooting for GSP, or against Matt Hughes, in the 3rd fight, I couldnt help but think during the fight that it was a complete mismatch because GSP was cutting so much weight. the move up would be good for hughes imo and he would stand a decent chance at the upset.
He just might. Silva said after the fight he might move down but not up a class. I like Matt Hughes but he wouldn't beat Silva. Hughes couldn't beat GSP, I doubt he could beat Silva but I'd still like to see it happen. Now, Silva vs GSP would be a good fight.

[mendozathejew]

He just might. Silva said after the fight he might move down but not up a class. I like Matt Hughes but he wouldn't beat Silva. Hughes couldn't beat GSP.
they are completely different fighters. GSP not only has one of the best tk defenses in the sport, but hes been wrestling so much in training that hes one of the best mma wrestlers in the sport. that left matt hughes with almost nothing to give GSP

Anderson Silva on the other hand can be taken, sometimes easily. Matt Hughes, imo, wont have any problems doing it.

[Capt.Caveman]

they are completely different fighters. GSP not only has one of the best tk defenses in the sport, but hes been wrestling so much in training that hes one of the best mma wrestlers in the sport. that left matt hughes with almost nothing to give GSP

Anderson Silva on the other hand can be taken, sometimes easily. Matt Hughes, imo, wont have any problems doing it.

matt would be able to take anderson down granted but there is no ands i mean no way he could stand with him. he'd try to take it to the ground but he may get caught coming in. hughes vs silva would put asses in seats. st peirre has to get thru serra then fitch....then we may se silva vs st pierre

[Save My Up's Dick]

they are completely different fighters. GSP not only has one of the best tk defenses in the sport, but hes been wrestling so much in training that hes one of the best mma wrestlers in the sport. that left matt hughes with almost nothing to give GSP

Anderson Silva on the other hand can be taken, sometimes easily. Matt Hughes, imo, wont have any problems doing it.
Yeah I know, GSP's wrestling is unbelievable since he never wrestled as an amateur. He took down Hughes pretty easily. I think somebody said, during his last fight, he was thinking of wrestling for Canada in the Olympics. I think GSP has the stand up and wrestling to take on Silva. I'm all for seeing Hughes vs Silva.

[Save My Up's Dick]

matt would be able to take anderson down granted but there is no ands i mean no way he could stand with him. he'd try to take it to the ground but he may get caught coming in. hughes vs silva would put asses in seats. st peirre has to get thru serra then fitch....then we may se silva vs st pierre
Hughes could not stand with Silva, no way, but would take him down no problem.

I like that scenario, Silva vs GSP, then we get to see Hughes vs Serra.

[Cromwell]

I think Hughes wants to "avenge" his reputation against Serra - before he fights anyone else.

Here's some good discussion and thoughts about where Anderson Silva might be going from here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag030408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[filthgrinder]

Agreed


I think I heard a few weeks back that Zuffa is finally, after 7 years, making a profit on the UFC. Maybe now the purse will start going up.


So for the sake of playing devil's advacet, those are the "reported" salaries. They don't take into account unreported bonuses of ppv revenue sharing, or sponorships.

Rumor has it that the UFC rewards "locker room" bonuses apart from the reported "Fight of the Night"/"KO of the Night" bonuses. These are not reported in order to not be used against the UFC as part of contract negoiations and to reward fighters more for having good fights. Also, I believe that fighters make ALOT more from their sponsorship deals they get through the UFC approved sponsors.

Then again, I'm not going to argue against fighters making more money, which they should.

[mendozathejew]

. Also, I believe that fighters make ALOT more from their sponsorship deals they get through the UFC approved sponsors.

well, if their main sponsor is any indication, it isnt much $. xience had a close business relationship with Zuffa, beyond just sponsoring ufc fighters. they simply stopped paying their fighters long before they went belly up.


since shoguns knee is torn to shit, again, hes out vs Liddell. Rashad Evans is taking his place

[Gotti420]

since shoguns knee is torn to shit, again, hes out vs Liddell. Rashad Evans is taking his place

That's a much better matchup for Chuck. I doubt Rashad will be able to take him down.


Also, it looks like Fedor and M-1 are done with each other

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3280383

Maybe Fedor vs. Randy will happen in the UFC after all

[supers4972]

Also, it looks like Fedor and M-1 are done with each other

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3280383

Maybe Fedor vs. Randy will happen in the UFC after all

Hopefully that ship has not sailed for Randy and the UFC.

We can then see Fedor come over and get schooled just like more of the other PRIDE fighters.

[mendozathejew]

Hopefully that ship has not sailed for Randy and the UFC.

We can then see Fedor come over and get schooled just like more of the other PRIDE fighters.

lol, like the guys that hold the HW, LHW and MW belts? none of which were good enough to hold the Pride belts when the UFC vs Pride argument actually mattered.

god I thought Nog taking the HW belt would have finally put this 2004 debate to rest. its 2008, and its different former pride fighters who have the belts now.

[Capt.Caveman]

all the fighters in both orgs are even. some are better than others. but some pride fighters were over rated and some were under rated. nogs a bad dude. silva lost by a freak sub by chonan so i wouldn't say he wasn't good enough. rampage is tough too he couldn't get by silva. the cage is a different animal. cro cop looked unstoppable and then got tooled in the ufc so you can't really say which fighters are better. i prefer ufc i didn't like the 10 min 1st rd in pride and the cage is def more interesting

[mendozathejew]

all the fighters in both orgs are even. some are better than others. but some pride fighters were over rated and some were under rated. nogs a bad dude. silva lost by a freak sub by chonan so i wouldn't say he wasn't good enough. rampage is tough too he couldn't get by silva. the cage is a different animal. cro cop looked unstoppable and then got tooled in the ufc so you can't really say which fighters are better. i prefer ufc i didn't like the 10 min 1st rd in pride and the cage is def more interesting

regardless of all of those facts, it was an argument about which human beings were better fighters in 04 and 05 when the athletes holding titles were at their primes. they dont operate in a vacuum, they age just like the rest of us. they regress, others improve.

Silva got subbed in his last 2 fights in Pride. Chonan was more than holding his own in the stand up that entire fight, the sub came at the end. Silva could put Chonan in a coma if they fought today, but back then, he was in real trouble.

Rampage's training back then wasnt anywhere near what it is today. hes also improved tremendously. And Nog, imo, on his last leg beat a great version of Sylvia.

[Cromwell]

Yeah, here's the promo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/85_LIDDELL_EVANS.jpg

And Chuck isn't going to have to "take him down" (wrestling style)

He'll just pound in his face like he did with Wandy :icon_mrgr

[mendozathejew]

i didn't like the 10 min 1st rd in pride and the cage is def more interesting

really? I loved those first rounds, especially in the Wanderlei Rampage fights and Nog Barnet 1.



Evans is really a soft touch for Liddell to supposedly earn a title shot. I dont know if Rashad has regressed, or if he was never going to be at the top level, but he isnt elite today thats for sure. But unlike Wanderlei he is a live body so I guess anything is possible

[Palerider4146]

If Dana can make Fedor/Randy materialize finally, you have to give him a lot of credit. I'm curious how this will pan out. That fight will get some crazy PPV numbers.

Something to ponder...now that the UFC lost out on the CBS deal, you know they are going to shop around somewhere else. NBC Sports webpage has long had a MMA section, that could be a good fit. I could also see FOX trying to get in on it. I'm not so sure about ABC. Now I know that usually you save PPV for you big fights, but how would it be to try and get a Fedor/Randy on a Sat night network show. Are you raising the bar to high from the get go, or are you showing the world the potential the sport has?

[supers4972]

Yeah, here's the promo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/85_LIDDELL_EVANS.jpg

And Chuck isn't going to have to "take him down" (wrestling style)

He'll just pound in his face like he did with Wandy :icon_mrgr



I actually went to HS with Rashad.

[Palerider4146]

I actually went to HS with Rashad.

Did'ja? Didja really???




:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

really? I loved those first rounds, especially in the Wanderlei Rampage fights and Nog Barnet 1.





yea those were good fights but there were a lot of lay and pray and hold the guy down and not do anything for 3 minute fights too. I like the shorter rounds. plus 5 min round has more action. the guy has to fight the clock too. 10 min guys pace themselves a lil too much. ever try to do a 10 min round..it sucks i usually gas after 3 or 4 min but i'm not in pro fighter shape by any means

[Capt.Caveman]

I think Chuck has this one real bad match up for rashad

[Eagle.007]

Has anyone seen this article about Rance? I saw it on the mmanews.com forums. It is long so I put the tags on it.
03/06/2008
From Snow to Sand, Joe Lauzon’s Excellent Adventure
By Thomas Gerbasi

Success in the UFC can be a life-altering experience, maybe never as much as it’s been for Joe Lauzon. A former network administrator who still went back to his 9 to 5 job after a spectacular

UFC debut in September of 2006, Lauzon has moved from life behind the desk to six weeks inside the reality television bubble as a member of The Ultimate Fighter’s fifth season cast, and then off to Hawaii, where he now trains full-time with UFC lightweight champ BJ Penn.

That’s a long way from trudging through the brutal New England winters the Brockton native lived through for much of his 23 years.

“I get death threats daily,” laughed Lauzon when asked the reaction from back home to his new training home in Hawaii. Not that he softens the blow any to those still digging themselves out of the latest snow storm. “And I’ll be kind of a jerk about it too – I’ll put my away message as “going off to the beach, how’s the weather back home?” even if I’m not going to the beach, because I know they’re getting bombed with snow. But I’ve shoveled my fair share of snow.”

He’s also paid his fair share of dues over his four year pro career, making his bones on the New England scene before he was brought in at UFC 63 in 2006 to be the foil for the return of Jens Pulver to the organization. Lauzon, humble and quiet, didn’t say much before the bout, choosing to let his fighting do the talking.

“I always feel kinda weird talking about myself,” he admitted. “I don’t want to be the guy bragging or talking real highly about myself when it’s not deserved. The worst thing you can do is go and say something you think about yourself that other people don’t. There’s a fine line between being cocky and confident.”

Lauzon and his team had no doubts in his ability though, and 48 seconds after the bell rang at Anaheim’s Arrowhead Pond, neither did Pulver or anyone viewing the fight, as “J-Lau” stopped Pulver in less than a minute.

It was a star-making debut, but Lauzon was back at work the Monday after the fight. And though he could have stuck around in the big show and worked his way up the conventional way, he chose to go on The Ultimate Fighter with 15 other fighters battling to be where he already was at. It was a risky move, but in making it to the semifinals, Lauzon not only got some good work in with his peers, he also got weekly television exposure and he built a relationship with Penn, who invited him to Hawaii to train. Lauzon took Penn up on the offer, and in August of last year, he gave his two weeks notice – he was a full-time fighter now.

“I think I’ve adjusted pretty well,” said Lauzon of life after being a network administrator. “When I was working I always knew what day it was because you’re always looking forward to Friday and it being the last day of work for the week. (Laughs) Now, different days kinda dictate the training schedule, but it’s not nearly as important and I’ll lose track of the days all the time.”

That aside, Lauzon has benefited greatly from his work with ‘The Prodigy’.

“You’ve got someone there who legitimately has the best ground game in the world,” said Lauzon of Penn. “You can argue back and forth about who the best MMA fighters are, pound for pound, but very few people are gonna argue that anyone has a better MMA game than BJ. His positional dominance is second to none, he finishes guys, takes their back, chokes them out, and he’s not just pulling things out of his hat.”

Needless to say, for a fan of Penn like Lauzon was and is, working with him on a daily basis can be a bit of a trip.

“It’s a little bit weird,” he said. “When I think back to a year, year and a half ago, it’s night and day, but I try not to go ‘Super Fan’ on people. (Laughs) When you see someone fighting, it’s almost like he’s a character or a Superhero, but when you actually get to hang out with them, you realize that they’re just like everyone else, they’ve got the same problems and go through the same things as everyone else.”

On the mat though, Penn is not like the rest of the fighters out there, something Lauzon agrees with without hesitation.

“What you’re not seeing from other people is stuff that he’s doing every single day,” he said. “It’s the same game all the time and he does to everyone exactly what he did to (Joe) Stevenson – he gets on top, walks out your legs, you feel helpless, you feel like you don’t know jiu-jitsu, and he does whatever he wants.”

That means some of that is undoubtedly rubbing off on Lauzon, and fans were eager to see what lessons he had learned when he took on Jason Reinhardt at UFC 78 in New Jersey last November. Lauzon, just months removed from quitting his job, was faced with a daunting new reality.

“I was pretty nervous about the fight,” he said. “I usually don’t get that nervous, but it was the first time I put all my eggs in one basket. Until then, I was working and I was training; if I lost a fight, I still had a job. But now I had put everything on hold on this and I had to do well.”

He did, submitting Reinhardt with a rear naked choke in just 74 seconds. Then he was able to breathe a little bit easier.

“If it didn’t go exactly like that, I would have been more concerned.”
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With three UFC wins under his belt though and an overall six fight winning streak to protect, things aren’t going to get easier; in fact, they’ve been amped up again as Lauzon prepares to headline what may very well be the greatest UFC card ever on April 2nd in Colorado when he takes on fellow New Englander and former world title challenger Kenny Florian.

“I feel pretty honored,” said Lauzon of the headlining gig. “There are so many great guys on that card, and for whatever reason, they chose me and Kenny to headline it. I agree that it’s the best card ever seen from start to finish, but for me it’s kinda weird because looking at The Ultimate Fighter alone, Manny (Gamburyan) beat me in the semis, he’s below me, Nate Diaz beat Manny in the finals and won the show, and he’s below me, so I don’t think it’s necessarily me that’s headlining as much as the two guys from Boston who were on The Ultimate Fighter. But it’s cool to be there regardless of whatever reason I’m there.”

Two Boston guys fighting a local turf war in Colorado? Go figure, but regardless of logistics, Lauzon knows that a win over Florian will propel him up the ranks even further than the win over Pulver did. That’s an interesting situation given that Penn is the man on top of the lightweight heap right now, but Lauzon doesn’t see that being an issue.

“I don’t really want to be thinking that far ahead, but I don’t think BJ’s gonna hang around ’55 very long,” he said. “I think 100 percent that he’s gonna beat (Sean) Sherk (at UFC 84 in May), and then whether he fights one more time or he just goes up, I think he’s going after (Georges) St-Pierre at 170. Regardless of whether St-Pierre wins or loses (against Matt Serra in April), he wants St-Pierre.

What about you Joe?

“I’m ready for whatever comes,” he said. “I’ve said for a long time that I’m in this for the long haul, and I’m thinking long-term. Say I get a title shot and the worst-case scenario is that I lose – even if that happens soon, that will benefit me down the line. I’m not thinking that I have to win the title at 23, 24 years old and keep it forever. I’m looking at the big picture and if I’m gonna get better by losing a title shot now and then fighting for it later, I’m cool with that. No one in this sport is undefeated and I’ve won my last couple of fights in the UFC, but everyone loses so I’m looking at everything as a learning experience. Whether you win or lose, some lessons are tougher than others, but I’ll be ready for whatever.”

[Capt.Caveman]

Has anyone seen this article about Rance? I saw it on the mmanews.com forums. It is long so I put the tags on it.
03/06/2008
From Snow to Sand, Joe Lauzon’s Excellent Adventure
By Thomas Gerbasi

Success in the UFC can be a life-altering experience, maybe never as much as it’s been for Joe Lauzon. A former network administrator who still went back to his 9 to 5 job after a spectacular

UFC debut in September of 2006, Lauzon has moved from life behind the desk to six weeks inside the reality television bubble as a member of The Ultimate Fighter’s fifth season cast, and then off to Hawaii, where he now trains full-time with UFC lightweight champ BJ Penn.

That’s a long way from trudging through the brutal New England winters the Brockton native lived through for much of his 23 years.

“I get death threats daily,” laughed Lauzon when asked the reaction from back home to his new training home in Hawaii. Not that he softens the blow any to those still digging themselves out of the latest snow storm. “And I’ll be kind of a jerk about it too – I’ll put my away message as “going off to the beach, how’s the weather back home?” even if I’m not going to the beach, because I know they’re getting bombed with snow. But I’ve shoveled my fair share of snow.”

He’s also paid his fair share of dues over his four year pro career, making his bones on the New England scene before he was brought in at UFC 63 in 2006 to be the foil for the return of Jens Pulver to the organization. Lauzon, humble and quiet, didn’t say much before the bout, choosing to let his fighting do the talking.

“I always feel kinda weird talking about myself,” he admitted. “I don’t want to be the guy bragging or talking real highly about myself when it’s not deserved. The worst thing you can do is go and say something you think about yourself that other people don’t. There’s a fine line between being cocky and confident.”

Lauzon and his team had no doubts in his ability though, and 48 seconds after the bell rang at Anaheim’s Arrowhead Pond, neither did Pulver or anyone viewing the fight, as “J-Lau” stopped Pulver in less than a minute.

It was a star-making debut, but Lauzon was back at work the Monday after the fight. And though he could have stuck around in the big show and worked his way up the conventional way, he chose to go on The Ultimate Fighter with 15 other fighters battling to be where he already was at. It was a risky move, but in making it to the semifinals, Lauzon not only got some good work in with his peers, he also got weekly television exposure and he built a relationship with Penn, who invited him to Hawaii to train. Lauzon took Penn up on the offer, and in August of last year, he gave his two weeks notice – he was a full-time fighter now.

“I think I’ve adjusted pretty well,” said Lauzon of life after being a network administrator. “When I was working I always knew what day it was because you’re always looking forward to Friday and it being the last day of work for the week. (Laughs) Now, different days kinda dictate the training schedule, but it’s not nearly as important and I’ll lose track of the days all the time.”

That aside, Lauzon has benefited greatly from his work with ‘The Prodigy’.

“You’ve got someone there who legitimately has the best ground game in the world,” said Lauzon of Penn. “You can argue back and forth about who the best MMA fighters are, pound for pound, but very few people are gonna argue that anyone has a better MMA game than BJ. His positional dominance is second to none, he finishes guys, takes their back, chokes them out, and he’s not just pulling things out of his hat.”

Needless to say, for a fan of Penn like Lauzon was and is, working with him on a daily basis can be a bit of a trip.

“It’s a little bit weird,” he said. “When I think back to a year, year and a half ago, it’s night and day, but I try not to go ‘Super Fan’ on people. (Laughs) When you see someone fighting, it’s almost like he’s a character or a Superhero, but when you actually get to hang out with them, you realize that they’re just like everyone else, they’ve got the same problems and go through the same things as everyone else.”

On the mat though, Penn is not like the rest of the fighters out there, something Lauzon agrees with without hesitation.

“What you’re not seeing from other people is stuff that he’s doing every single day,” he said. “It’s the same game all the time and he does to everyone exactly what he did to (Joe) Stevenson – he gets on top, walks out your legs, you feel helpless, you feel like you don’t know jiu-jitsu, and he does whatever he wants.”

That means some of that is undoubtedly rubbing off on Lauzon, and fans were eager to see what lessons he had learned when he took on Jason Reinhardt at UFC 78 in New Jersey last November. Lauzon, just months removed from quitting his job, was faced with a daunting new reality.

“I was pretty nervous about the fight,” he said. “I usually don’t get that nervous, but it was the first time I put all my eggs in one basket. Until then, I was working and I was training; if I lost a fight, I still had a job. But now I had put everything on hold on this and I had to do well.”

He did, submitting Reinhardt with a rear naked choke in just 74 seconds. Then he was able to breathe a little bit easier.

“If it didn’t go exactly like that, I would have been more concerned.”
/>
With three UFC wins under his belt though and an overall six fight winning streak to protect, things aren’t going to get easier; in fact, they’ve been amped up again as Lauzon prepares to headline what may very well be the greatest UFC card ever on April 2nd in Colorado when he takes on fellow New Englander and former world title challenger Kenny Florian.

“I feel pretty honored,” said Lauzon of the headlining gig. “There are so many great guys on that card, and for whatever reason, they chose me and Kenny to headline it. I agree that it’s the best card ever seen from start to finish, but for me it’s kinda weird because looking at The Ultimate Fighter alone, Manny (Gamburyan) beat me in the semis, he’s below me, Nate Diaz beat Manny in the finals and won the show, and he’s below me, so I don’t think it’s necessarily me that’s headlining as much as the two guys from Boston who were on The Ultimate Fighter. But it’s cool to be there regardless of whatever reason I’m there.”

Two Boston guys fighting a local turf war in Colorado? Go figure, but regardless of logistics, Lauzon knows that a win over Florian will propel him up the ranks even further than the win over Pulver did. That’s an interesting situation given that Penn is the man on top of the lightweight heap right now, but Lauzon doesn’t see that being an issue.

“I don’t really want to be thinking that far ahead, but I don’t think BJ’s gonna hang around ’55 very long,” he said. “I think 100 percent that he’s gonna beat (Sean) Sherk (at UFC 84 in May), and then whether he fights one more time or he just goes up, I think he’s going after (Georges) St-Pierre at 170. Regardless of whether St-Pierre wins or loses (against Matt Serra in April), he wants St-Pierre.

What about you Joe?

“I’m ready for whatever comes,” he said. “I’ve said for a long time that I’m in this for the long haul, and I’m thinking long-term. Say I get a title shot and the worst-case scenario is that I lose – even if that happens soon, that will benefit me down the line. I’m not thinking that I have to win the title at 23, 24 years old and keep it forever. I’m looking at the big picture and if I’m gonna get better by losing a title shot now and then fighting for it later, I’m cool with that. No one in this sport is undefeated and I’ve won my last couple of fights in the UFC, but everyone loses so I’m looking at everything as a learning experience. Whether you win or lose, some lessons are tougher than others, but I’ll be ready for whatever.”

whew:icon_cool i thought he finally fell for paleriders mancrush:action-sm

[Palerider4146]

whew:icon_cool i thought he finally fell for paleriders mancrush:action-sm

Haha, good callback caveman. But imagine those abs all tanned now in the hawaiian sun...hehe.

I may come up and check you out in the tourney in April. Hopefully if we either get this house sold, or she buys me out I can start my BJJ classes also. I found a school in Staten Italy that seems really good. The guy just bought a new place, 3500 sq ft, full mats, heavy bags, and a cage. Will be opening up April 1st. He is moving out of a much smaller place. The guy is a Renzo black belt. Cant wait to start.

[Capt.Caveman]

Haha, good callback caveman. But imagine those abs all tanned now in the hawaiian sun...hehe.

I may come up and check you out in the tourney in April. Hopefully if we either get this house sold, or she buys me out I can start my BJJ classes also. I found a school in Staten Italy that seems really good. The guy just bought a new place, 3500 sq ft, full mats, heavy bags, and a cage. Will be opening up April 1st. He is moving out of a much smaller place. The guy is a Renzo black belt. Cant wait to start.

cool that school sounds great. SI too far for me

[Capt.Caveman]

UPCOMING UFC EVENTS

UFC Fight Night 13

Wednesday April , 2nd
Broomfield Event Center
Colorado


Kenny "Kenflo" Florian VS Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon

Karo "The Heat" Parisyan VS Thiago "Pitbull" Alves

Matt Hamill VS Tim Boetsch

Houston Alexander VS James Irvin

Gray Maynard VS Frank "The Answer" Edgar

Spencer "The King" Fisher VS Marcus "Maximus" Aurelio

Josh Neer VS Din "Dinyero" Thomas

Clay "The Carpenter" Guida VS Samy Schiavo

George Sotiropoulous VS Roman Mitichyan

Anthony Johnson VS Tommy Speer

Nate Diaz VS Kurt Pellegrino

Jeff Cox VS Manvel "Pitbull" Gamburyan


UFC 83: Serra vs St-Pierre 2

Saturday, April 19th, 2008
Bell Centre
Montreal, Canada

Georges "Rush" St Pierre VS Matt "The Terror" Serra

Rich "Ace" Franklin VS Travis Lutter

Kalib Starnes VS Nate "The Rock" Quarry

Mark Bocek VS Mac Danzig

Charles "Chainsaw" McCarthy VS Michael "The Count" Bisping

Alan "The Talent" Belcher VS Jason "Dooms" Day

Joe Doerkson VS Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald

Ed "Short Fuse" Herman VS Demian Maia

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout VS Rich "No Love" Clementi

Kuniyoshi Hironaka VS Jonathan Goulet

Brad Morris VS Cain Velasquez

UFC 84: Ill Will

Saturday, May 24th, 2008
MGM Grand Garden Arena
Las Vegas, Nevada

Sean "The Muscle Shark" Sherk VS BJ "The Prodigy" Penn

Ryoto "Lyoto" Machida VS Tito "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz


Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine VS Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva

Goran Reljic VS Wilson Gouveia

Ivan Salaverry VS Rousimar Palhares

Terry Etim VS Jeremy Stephens

Dong-Hyun Kim VS Jason Tan

Rameau Sokoudjou VS Kazuhiro Nakamura

Christian "The Hungarian Nightmare" Wellisch VS Shane Carwin

UFC 85

Saturday, June 14th, 2008
The O2
London, England.

Brandon "The Truth" Vera VS Fabricio Werdum

Marcus "The Irish Hand Grenade" Davis VS Mike "Quick" Swick

Martin "Hitman" Kampmann VS Jorge "El Conquistador" Rivera

Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell VS Rashad Evans

Ryo "Piranha" Chonan VS Roan "Jucao" Carneiro

[Cromwell]

I actually went to HS with Rashad.

Did you wrestle him? :icon_wink



UPCOMING UFC EVENTS




Nice list, caveman.

Where's your picks? :rolleyes:

[TheTruth]

I saw this past Friday on "Inside MMA" on HD Net, that Ken Shamrock is in talks to fight Kimbo Slice. Anyone else hear anything about this?

If it is true it is going to be terrible, what is Kimbo's gimmick going to be to fight washed up fighters well past their prime?

[JMCC]

I saw this past Friday on "Inside MMA" on HD Net, that Ken Shamrock is in talks to fight Kimbo Slice. Anyone else hear anything about this?

If it is true it is going to be terrible, what is Kimbo's gimmick going to be to fight washed up fighters well past their prime?

Considering that Ken got his ass kicked on Sat I don't think it will happen...

[Capt.Caveman]

Tito Ortiz and Others Could Leave UFC (Yahoo! Sports Story)
by Dave Meltzer [dave-meltzer] on Mar 13, 2008 at 11:18 am in - News -
The May 24 match between Tito Ortiz and Lyoto Machida at UFC 84 from Las Vegas is among the most important matches of 2008.

Ortiz is a key component of a battle that ends with the last man left standing.

That battle isn't in a ring or a cage, but a business war for supremacy of the mixed martial arts industry.

Ortiz is the biggest of a host of name fighters whose UFC contracts will be expiring at a time in which a slew of new rival promotions are in desperate need of big-name fighters.

For groups such as EliteXC, which debuts soon on CBS, and Mark Cuban's HDNet Fights, the key to challenging the UFC's supremacy in the marketplace is having the right television exposure, the right stars, the right business sense and a degree of long-term planning and patience.

It is generally believed that barring a miracle reconciliation, Ortiz and UFC will part company when his contract expires. UFC will be gambling by airing Ortiz's match live on pay-per-view. Ortiz is a big enough name to help sell orders. The former UFC light heavyweight champion's contract calls for bonuses far beyond his $210,000 reported per-match figure, so the feeling is it's too much to pay without getting market value through heavily promoting his fight.

Machida should be favored to win the fight, but it's hardly a lock. It's a win the undefeated Machida needs if he's going to work into position for a shot at the light heavyweight title, and connect with an audience that has seen him win many times against lesser-known fighters, but has yet to react to him as a star.

But if Ortiz wins, he'll be a free agent at a time he's at the top of the list of the most famous mixed martial artists in the country, in a business with many potential suitors who are all in need of a recognizable star.

By himself, no one fighter is going to make a difference in a promotional war. But Ortiz, former heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski, Josh Koscheck, Mike Swick and two-time former heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia all have contracts that have either run out or are close to expiration. Losing most at the same time will give the public the impression the UFC must not be the be-all and end-all of the industry, particularly if several are seen shortly on a major television station with a competing promotion.

Ortiz, if he can pull off the right kind of a win, and then walk, is as strong a name to build around from a marquee standpoint as is out there, having headlined the two biggest pay-per-view events in history. He's been plagued by back problems for nearly five years, and Machida will be a real test of what he still has in the tank.

There may be plenty of fighters as good as Ortiz, but only two current fighters, Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture, have his star power and name value. When building a company, that means a whole lot more than having ranked fighters that the general public has never heard of on your roster.

None of the other four are locks to be re-signed either. Koscheck has publicly stated he wants to stay. UFC has offered him a substantial raise from the $10,000 base pay with a $10,000 winning bonus he was getting from the long-term deal he was given in 2005 when he was an unknown fighter signing to do the Ultimate Fighter reality show. But a better offer could come from elsewhere.

Swick faces an altogether different situation. While he beat Josh Burkman by decision in his last fight in January, he fought tepidly and the fight was terrible. He is the third of three fighters from the same American Kickboxing Academy team in UFC's welterweight division, with Koscheck and current No. 1 contender Jon Fitch. None of the three will fight each other, which makes keeping all three a potential problem. Of the three, Swick would be the lowest on the priority list.

Negotiations haven't gotten close with Arlovski, who is seen as a star by the UFC audience, and is a fighter one would think every U.S. promotion would be interested in as an athletic heavyweight with great takedown defense and good hands. But fans have waited more than two years for the return of the Arlovski who destroyed people in 2004 and 2005. That fighter hasn't been seen since he was brutally knocked out by Sylvia at UFC 59.

Sylvia, on the other hand, has never been popular with the UFC audience, but has been a fixture on top of the heavyweight division for five years.

UFC is attempting to replenish the heavyweight division by building around three projects, all decorated college wrestlers, Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez, an Arizona State All-American who debuts on April 19, and Shane Carwin, a Division II national champion who starts on May 24.

Last year brought three major players, the IFL, EliteXC and Bodog Fight, all of whom burned through tens of millions of dollars. IFL had a weekly Monday night television show in prime time nationwide on Mynetworktv, but didn't have or make the right stars, nor did they seem to have long-term planning. IFL no longer has that TV outlet and they have completely revamped their presentation.

EliteXC had a deal with Showtime, bought smaller promotions all over the world, and with a CBS prime time television deal have a shot at making a great impact this year. Bodog had a television show on Ion that nobody watched, spent millions in advertising, failed on pay-per-view, lost their TV and are no longer even running shows.

This year's key new players include Mark Cuban's HDNet Fights, looking to become a major player by using MMA as a key sport in building a new television station and seemingly having the best chance of promoting the elusive Fedor Emelianenko vs. Randy Couture fight. Affliction, the makers of the T-shirts that are a fixture in the world of MMA, is starting a company tentatively scheduled to debut in June, and is making a big play for a number of free agents, reportedly making big offers to the likes of Matt Lindland (who has signed with them), Josh Barnett and Ben Rothwell among others, for non-exclusive contracts and numbers far beyond what they would be earning in UFC.

Cuban has stated many times he's not interested in getting into a bidding war over the top talent. UFC has not talked publicly, but privately, their philosophy based on recent negotiations is to also not get caught up in bidding wars for talent.

[Capt.Caveman]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
HERE"S ONE ABOUT RANCE

B.J. Penn: I'd Make Joe Lauzon Fight Me
by MMAjunkie.com Staff [mmajunkie-staff] on Mar 13, 2008 at 10:05 am in - News -
If Joe Lauzon (16-3 MMA, 3-0 UFC) beats Kenny Florian in their UFC Fight Night 13 main event, and if B.J. Penn (12-4-1 MMA, 8-3-1 UFC) successfully defends his title against Sean Sherk at UFC 83, a Lauzon-Penn title fight could be on the horizon -- according to Penn, anyway.

Although the two training partners would seem unlikely opponents, Penn says he would make Lauzon fight him so the youngster could "realize his dreams."

Our friend Tracy Lee from CombatLifestyle.com is in Hilo, Hawaii, this week with Lauzon and Penn (and WEC featherweight champ Urijah Faber), photographing their training and pre-fight preparations, and discussed the potential title fight with Penn.

In her latest blog, Lee wrote about yesterday's chat:

We started chatting about what he thought of Joe's upcoming fight; BJ feels that Joe has a very good chance of winning his fight against Kenny Florian for Ultimate Fight Night in Broomfield, CO. "If Joe does win, and I win the belt, there's a good chance that we may have to fight each other." I quickly responded, "But you guys wouldn't do that, would you?" BJ said, "He would have to fight me if he wants to be the champion. I want him to realize his dreams; I would make him fight me."

Lauzon and Penn first began working together on the fifth season of "The Ultimate Fighter." Eventual show runner-up Manny Gamburyan knocked Lauzon out of the competition in the semifinals, but he's since posted decisive submission victories over Brandon Melendez and Jason Reinhardt. Additionally, before appearing on the show, Lauzon scored an upset of former UFC champ Jens Pulver. A victory over Florian -- one of the lightweight division's top contenders -- could put the 23-year-old in the thick of the title picture.

[dolphin cunt]

Sherk is going to shit kick BJ

[Capt.Caveman]

Couture Unwilling to Fight Emelianenko in UFC


Estranged UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture is still determined to fight former PRIDE heavy title-holder Fedor Emelianenko. Just don't expect to see the fight take place in the UFC, Couture says.

The 44-year-old UFC hall-of-famer made the comments in a recent video interview with the m1mixfight.com website.

Even after he resigned from the organization back in October (citing a lack of respect from UFC executives, issues over his pay, and the UFC's inability to sign then-free agent Emelianenko), Couture said he would return to the organization if UFC president Dana White could arrange a fight with the famed Russian.

However, the UFC recently took Couture to court to bar his involvement with outside fight promotions. The litigation has apparently ruined any shot of a Couture-Emelianenko fight taking place in the UFC.

Couture made that perfectly clear when he was asked if he cares where the fight with Emelianenko takes place.

"I care at this point that it's not in the UFC," Couture said with a dejected laugh. "But outside of that, I don't care where it happens so long as it happens."

The Dallas-based HDNet Fights appears to be the frontrunner to get the heavyweight fight. In fact, HDNet Fights owner Mark Cuban recently joined the legal fight to get a declaratory judgment on Couture's contract status.

"By fall... we'll hopefully have the fight going," Couture said.

And while he would prefer to fight close to home, it's not mandatory.

"I prefer to fight here in the U.S.," Couture said. "It's where I'm confortable. For all the marketing reasons, this is the strongest market for the sport probably outside of Tokyo... but wherever it happens, it happens."

With Couture now unwilling to fight in the UFC, a rumor that Emelianenko was close to signing a one-fight deal with the UFC -- to fight Couture -- appears unlikely.

[mendozathejew]

wow randy is pissed. Id bet he would accept a 1 fight deal in the UFC if, on the very off chance, Fedor did the same


this guy makes the best mma highlights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWSMUFuPlpA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FQeq9SLyFOI

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Money talks, bullshit walks...

[Eagle.007]

Randy is a bitch. Dana has a good chance to make the fight and Randy fucking turns it down. Fuck him. I'm also sure Big Nog would beat Randy.

[Capt.Caveman]

Randy is a bitch. Dana has a good chance to make the fight and Randy fucking turns it down. Fuck him. I'm also sure Big Nog would beat Randy.

i wouldn't say sure but anythings possible

[Capt.Caveman]

This is why I hate frank Shamrock

Frank Shamrock: Ken Shamrock on Steroids "His Whole Life"by MMAjunkie.com Staff [mmajunkie-staff] on Mar 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm in - News -
So much for brotherly love.

Strikeforce world middleweight champion Frank Shamrock claims that his adoptive brother, UFC hall-of-famer Ken Shamrock, has done steroids "his whole life" and that the performance-enhacing drugs have given him a false sense of security.

Frank made the bold claims in a recent interview with MMA Madness.

When asked if he knew any fighters who were taking steroids, Frank mentioned only Ken.

"My brother Ken did them his whole life," Frank told MMA Madness. "Why do you think that his mind is so fried? Why do you think he crumbles before the big fights? He's got no psyche. He let steroids give him a false sense of security and the moment that stuff is gone he's no longer superman. He's just a regular man. But without all the hard work and without all the belief in himself that a regular man would have if he got up to that point. He's the only guy that I'll tell on, because he's always in trouble anyway.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) contacted one of Ken's representatives about the claims earlier today, and a response is expected to be issued soon.

It's worth noting, though, that Ken has never failed a drug test during an MMA event, and in recent years, the UFC almost always holds events in states in which drug testing is performed (though all fighters aren't always tested). However, fighters such as Dan Severn have long hinted that Ken uses steroids, and there's widespread speculation that Ken used during his days with the WWE.

Still, Frank gave no basis for his claims, nor did he mention any proof or specific instances in which he saw Ken use drugs.

Frank, who defends his Strikeforce title against Cung Le at next week's EliteXC/Strikeforce co-promotion, also spoke about the feud with his brother. The two have been estranged for a number of years, and Frank claims that it began when he decided to train on his own -- without the help of Ken. He said Ken was a "terrible teacher" and that jealousy over his own success caused the rift.

Both fighters have spoken openly about a potential fight, which would be billed as "brother vs. brother," taking place sometime in the next year. EliteXC live events president Gary Shaw said he'd be willing to promote it, but the brothers would likely produce it themselves.

Frank is eyeing an early 2009 fight date and said the bout would probably take place at 205 lbs.

With these latest claims, the fight probably got a whole lot more personal.

If my brother was a serial killer i wouldn't tell everyone about it. he's a piece of shit. He handpicks his opponents and knew he was losing vs Renzo so he cheated. Fuck him

[mendozathejew]

its not like its a secret though. all you have to do is watch Kens Pancrase days, let alone his pro wrestling career. But I dont know how close ken and frank are as adopted brothers

[Gotti420]

Randy is a bitch. Dana has a good chance to make the fight and Randy fucking turns it down. Fuck him. I'm also sure Big Nog would beat Randy.

I agree, Fuck Randy. If I was Dana I'd throw millions at Fedor and give him whatever else he wants just to spite Randy.

[Capt.Caveman]

Diego Sanchez vs Luigi Forvanti for TUF 7 Finale (http://mmajunkie.com/news/3993/diego-sanchez-vs-luigi-fioravanti-to-headline-tuf7-finale.mma)
Anderson Silva vs..........Roy Jones Jr in a boxing match!!!!! (http://mmajunkie.com/news/3991/report-silva-jones-in-ongoing-negotiations-for-boxing-match.mma)

As much respect as I have for the spider, he's gonna get a beating in a boxing match vs Jones if it happens. A mma match I would say the opposite but christ Anderson the guys old but he's still one of the greats in his game.

[mendozathejew]

the rampage interview has created a stir over at sherdog. mostly about Rampage's claims about Pride referees

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=755816

[Cromwell]

This is gonna be one sexy fight

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC83_BLAST_02.jpg

I know Caveman is with me on this one :icon_wink

[Palerider4146]

This is gonna be one sexy fight

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC83_BLAST_02.jpg

I know Caveman is with me on this one :icon_wink

Oh boy, and I thought my mancrush on Rance was bad...









:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

Frank Shamrock vs Cung Le was tremendous. if you have showtime on demand check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnGH5hhuLGE

[Palerider4146]

Mendoza, thanks for the link. Great fight! I still think that Anderson Silva would take Le out. Any thoughts about that?

[mendozathejew]

Mendoza, thanks for the link. Great fight! I still think that Anderson Silva would take Le out. Any thoughts about that?

yeah I agree. In k1 kickboxing, I think Cung Le would work him. But it took a long time for Anderson Silva to find his mma game. Hes basically at the stage of perfecting it now.

Cung Le would give alot of top middleweights problems right now. But he isnt going to reach the top. if he had started with mma 5 years ago, considering he has a really solid college wrestling background, he would have developed into a monster imo. but hes already in his late 30s

[Cromwell]

Oh boy, and I thought my mancrush on Rance was bad...


:action-sm


Lol!

We're just jokin here - right? :icon_conf:icon_wink


Frank Shamrock vs Cung Le was tremendous.


Thanks for the clip, Mendoza. That was a great fight! I thought Shamrock was coming back there in that 3rd round - and actually had Le rocked at a few points. I like the way he follows his punches with the knees - good combinations.

I still say Silva beats either one. AS just has too many ways to beat you.

[mendozathejew]

lots of great gifs from the fight

http://i28.tinypic.com/2dkfofc.gif
http://i26.tinypic.com/dmqhid.gifhttp://i25.tinypic.com/35aq3dd.gif
the takedowns
http://i30.tinypic.com/2juv4h.gif
http://i29.tinypic.com/a1jpqa.gif
the last 90 seconds

http://i31.tinypic.com/23k80ed.gifhttp://i29.tinypic.com/fwsobq.gif
http://i28.tinypic.com/z1kkh.gif


and a copy of the fight http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2NK587N8

[Cromwell]

lots of great gifs from the fight

the takedowns
http://i30.tinypic.com/2juv4h.gif
http://i29.tinypic.com/a1jpqa.gif



Good stuff, 'doz.

That leg sweep is textbook. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC: Sylvia out, Fedor in?
by Kevin Iole [kevin-iole] on Mar 30, 2008 at 12:41 pm in - News -
UFC president Dana White said the company had released one big-name heavyweight from his contract while admitting interest in arguably the biggest heavyweight name of all.

White said the UFC released former heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia from his contract with one fight remaining on it. The move made Sylvia a free agent and he is expected to sign a contract with M-1 Global, where he would be teamed with his agent, M-1 Global chief executive officer Monte Cox.

But White said that the UFC is again interested in landing former PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko. Emelianenko had a very public dalliance with the UFC last year, only to spurn the company in favor of the newly formed M-1 Global.

That sparked a torrent of abuse from White toward Emelianenko.

But M-1 has conceded that Emelianenko never signed the agreed upon contract and that he was a free agent. EliteXC has made no secret of its desire to sign the many man feel is the best fighter in the world.

White said Friday that he would attempt to reach a deal with Emelianenko, who is 27-1 with one no-contest and owns a pair of victories over current UFC interim heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.

Randy Couture, who holds the UFC heavyweight belt, is in the midst of a lawsuit with the UFC largely because of Couture's desire to fight Emelianenko. The UFC has refused to co-promote an event with another promoter and would only do it if Emelianenko signed a promotional contract with it.

On Friday, White never mentioned Couture by name, but said he would be open to the fight.

"We want to make the fights the people want to see," White said. "If there is a fight that we can make for him that people really want to see, then we'll try the best we can to get that done. We'll see what we can do as far as (signing Emelianenko) goes."

[CringeRadioWanted]

wasn't sure if this should have had it's own thread or not...if so, can a mod make it happen??? I mean, it's not every day a 'Bagger makes the front page of Yahoo.com, in one of the top 4 featured stories of the day!!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-lauzon032908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Lauzon one IT guy you don’t want to anger

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports Mar 30, 8:09 pm EDT

Yahoo! Sports

A word of warning to office workers everywhere: The next time you feel the urge to curse the geeky-looking IT guy you think caused your laptop to crash, breathe deeply and avoid the smart-alecky comment.

The Mister Peepers-looking guy could be another harmless nerd, but, then again, he could also be Joe Lauzon.

Lauzon is the baby-faced one-time network administrator who looks like he’s still in junior high but fights like he’s the toughest guy on the block.

Which, in most cases, it turns out he is.

Lauzon, 23, is a UFC lightweight good enough that the division’s champion, B.J. Penn, called him “phenomenal” and invited Lauzon from Massachusetts to train with him in Hilo, Hawaii.

He faces Kenny Florian in the main event of Ultimate Fight Night 13 on Wednesday in suburban Denver, an important bout that will push the winner closer to a shot at the title in perhaps the UFC’s most stacked division.

“We’ve got so many great 155s, it’s hard to say who’s next (to meet the winner of the May 24 title bout between Penn and Sean Sherk at UFC 84 in Las Vegas),” UFC president Dana White said. “But this is a huge fight for both of these guys, because a win will be so significant.”

Less than two years ago, Lauzon was content with a full-time career as the guy in charge of maintaining a 130-computer network for Charles River Analytics in Cambridge, Mass., while training for his fighting career part time.

And while he was preparing for what was then the biggest bout of his career, against former UFC lightweight champion Jens Pulver at UFC 63 in Anaheim, Calif., on Sept. 23, 2006, Lauzon was insisting he didn’t want to become a full-time fighter and that he’d lose interest in fighting if it became a job.

After a 47-second knockout over the veteran Pulver and a successful run on “The Ultimate Fighter 5,” Lauzon rethought his decision.

His fuzzy, youthful looks belies a rugged and fierce competitor.

“The only part of him that isn’t really athletic is his face,” said WEC featherweight champion Urijah Faber, who trained with Lauzon in Hawaii at Penn’s camp. “He’s really a strong guy. He can go and go and he’s very athletic. You look at his face and you might think, ‘Ah, this is just another guy,’ but if you get in there with him, you find out he’s got a lot of substance to him (as a fighter).”

Lauzon quit the IT job after his success on “The Ultimate Fighter,” taking up Penn’s offer to train him. But Lauzon didn’t give up his passion for technology just because he became a full-time fighter.

He’s found a way to use his expertise with computers and his notoriety as a fighter to his advantage.

He set up his own webpage, http://www.joelauzon.com, where he posts pictures, videos and blog entries. He has mailing lists on Facebook and MySpace with several thousand subscribers each.

He also has a blog where he posts random thoughts and photos he shoots with his iPhone.

In the days before and after a fight, he says he’ll get upwards of 500 messages a day, many of which he answers.

“The biggest thing is the exposure all this stuff gives me,” Lauzon said. “You have to remember, the majority of fans aren’t diehards. They’re not watching every single thing. The diehards, they forget that they’re such a small minority and that most people are more casual fans. So I use my website to keep reminding them of who I am and what I’m doing. We do a lot of fun stuff. The other day, it was Noah’s (Thomas) birthday, so we took the camera in and woke him up and were beating him with sandals. We got the video and I posted it and it was a lot of fun that people kind of got a kick out of.

“You have to remember, you’re asking your sponsors to pay you money to wear their logo, too, and if I can wear a shirt in one of these or a hat or something and get that trademark out there a little more, then I’m helping the guys who help me. So it just seemed to me to make sense to do this.”

The exposure is critical because so much of the fighters’ pay comes from endorsements.

Heavyweight Frank Mir made $40,000 to show and $40,000 to win for his submission victory over Brock Lesnar at UFC 81 in Las Vegas. But Mir also made $85,000 in sponsorship deals, more than doubling his haul. Even with the $60,000 bonus Mir earned from the UFC for submission of the night, his sponsorship money still amounted to 38.9 percent of his income.

Lauzon understands the fragility of a career of a professional fighter and said what he’s doing isn’t a distraction but simply another part of his responsibility.

“What I was doing before was a safe job,” Lauzon said. “I’d go home from work and go train or whatever, but I knew there would be a job there for me in the morning. Fighting is completely the opposite. If I get in a car accident, if I get hurt in training, if I get hurt in a fight, if all of a sudden I don’t have it, that all affects your career and the bottom line.

“If Kenny goes and twists his ankle on Tuesday, the fight is off and I don’t get paid and I’m out a ton of money. People don’t realize that. It costs a lot to go through one of these camps and you only get paid if you fight. It’s a volatile career. I could have gone the safe route with the job and the insurance and the guarantee that I knew pretty much the job would always be there. I have 100 grand in student loans and so that would have maybe been the smart thing to do.

“But there is something about fighting. I just enjoy so many aspects of this and I felt that if I could learn under someone like B.J., I couldn’t pass that up.”

Florian is – by far – the toughest test of Lauzon’s young career.

Lauzon (16-3) knows Florian, a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, will be dangerous should the fight get to the ground, but he won’t back away from grappling if the fight goes down. He also insists he’s willing to stand and trade with Florian, if necessary.

The outcome is in doubt, but one thing is certain: Win or lose, Lauzon will be pecking away at his iPhone on Thursday telling his fans what went down.

“Just using everything I have going for me,” Lauzon says, laughing, “just like I do in my fights.”

[Cromwell]

Good articles, boys.

Yeah, J-Lau and K-Flo get it on tonight. Very much excited about this fight. A hard one to call at this point.

Plus TUF starts tonight too.

A good night for MMA :icon_cool

[mendozathejew]

this shit is starting at 7. didnt realize its on this early

[mendozathejew]

enough of houston alexander

[Bone Dry]

Sorry if you guys already talked about it, but why didn't Stephan Bonnar fight tonight? Hamill Bonnar would have been a good fight IMHO.

[Gotti420]

Great night of fights. I was really impressed by Diaz.

[Cromwell]

Yeah, the fights were great. Diaz' triangle chokes from the guard are just *sick*. He has a real talent.

And props to our own J-Lau - for going out and giving an entertaining and exciting fight. Especially that first round. His strategy was sound - and he might have pulled off one or two of those submission attempts - the knee bar and ankle locks - against a lessor opponent - but - its time that Kenny Florian got the respect he deserves. I've been a big K-Flo fan for a while now - and last night showed why his is in the elite at 155 lbs. He deserves another title shot - he should get the winner of Penn-Sherk.

[TheTruth]

A few thoughts on the fights:

Karo and Alexander quit your bitching both of them were out, even if it was just for a second. The only reason Karo's hand was covering his face was when he got knocked down from the knee his arm happen to fall over his face. The fighters are tough guys so it only takes them a second of not being hit to come back, the UFC can't allow a limp body to be repeatedly punched.

I lost all respect for Diaz last night as well. What he did is the exact "thuggish" attitude that Dana White always says that the UFC is trying to get away from. Not to mention it was absolutley classless.

[filthgrinder]

Yeah, the fights were great. Diaz' triangle chokes from the guard are just *sick*. He has a real talent.

And props to our own J-Lau - for going out and giving an entertaining and exciting fight. Especially that first round. His strategy was sound - and he might have pulled off one or two of those submission attempts - the knee bar and ankle locks - against a lessor opponent - but - its time that Kenny Florian got the respect he deserves. I've been a big K-Flo fan for a while now - and last night showed why his is in the elite at 155 lbs. He deserves another title shot - he should get the winner of Penn-Sherk.

Definitely big props to J-Lau. I wonder how badly those elbows to the top of the head rocked him, add those to the altitude, it looks like he was a little off his game at the start of the second. He just couldn't shake Kenny's mount, and you know from training with BJ he's been put in that position many times so I was actually surprised that he couldn't buck Kenny off.

Anyways, it was a solid night of fights all around. I think Houston Alexander really need to re-evaluate his gameplan, training, and everything. His jaw is really suspect, but I think that comes from not being a natural 205. If he didn't body build and cut down some, I think he would be better at 185. As goood as he looked in his first two fights are as bad as he looked in his last two fights.

I'm happy that Karo lost, he deserved it for dodging Jon Fitch. I do wish they let the fight go on for a second or two more, just so there wouldn't be any doubt.

[mendozathejew]

Anyways, it was a solid night of fights all around. I think Houston Alexander really need to re-evaluate his gameplan, training, and everything. His jaw is really suspect, but I think that comes from not being a natural 205.

he has no skill to speak of. just muscle, special juice Im sure, and heavy hands. He'll always have a punchers chance. But other than that hes just a crude brawler with NO CHIN as you point out. Hes been hurt by every opponent hes faced in the UFC, once by a jab

[JMCC]

Yeah, the fights were great. Diaz' triangle chokes from the guard are just *sick*. He has a real talent.

Couldn't agree more, he is very dangerous, he's always looking for an opening to get the submission, very entertaining.


And props to our own J-Lau - for going out and giving an entertaining and exciting fight. Especially that first round. His strategy was sound - and he might have pulled off one or two of those submission attempts - the knee bar and ankle locks - against a lessor opponent - but - its time that Kenny Florian got the respect he deserves. I've been a big K-Flo fan for a while now - and last night showed why his is in the elite at 155 lbs. He deserves another title shot - he should get the winner of Penn-Sherk.

Too bad for Joe, he was so close with that ankle lock. Even with the loss though, he proved he deserves to be one of the top contenders for the title in the future. As for Florian, he looks like he is ready now, but i think he peaked, As for Florian, with that win I thin he deserves his shot at the title and I'm sure he is pulling for Sherk to beat Penn so he can get his rematch.

[TheTruth]

Did anyone else notice Florian take a cheap shot at Lauzon after the ref stopped the fight? And it wasn't like Florian was about to punch as the ref stepped in to stop it and he couldn't stop it, the ref jumped in to stop Florian and a good 2-3 seconds later he threw another punch.

[Cromwell]

Karo and Alexander quit your bitching both of them were out, even if it was just for a second. The only reason Karo's hand was covering his face was when he got knocked down from the knee his arm happen to fall over his face. The fighters are tough guys so it only takes them a second of not being hit to come back, the UFC can't allow a limp body to be repeatedly punched.


Agreed. Both of those poor-losers should actually be thanking the ref – from preventing serious concussive damage to them. Like you said – they were both out – for a split second – but if the ref doesn’t jump in – the guy on top will be required to keep pounding away – until the body goes limp – and then there is serious brain damage.


I lost all respect for Diaz last night as well. What he did is the exact "thuggish" attitude that Dana White always says that the UFC is trying to get away from. Not to mention it was absolutley classless.

I don’t know why – but his ghetto barrio personality doesn’t bother me all that much.


Definitely big props to J-Lau. I wonder how badly those elbows to the top of the head rocked him


Clearly they did. And that is part of Florian’s arsenal. Those were lighting quick and vicious. And impressive.


,add those to the altitude


That’s no excuse. All the fighters had to deal with that. Maybe he should have trained in Denver rather than Hilo.


it looks like he was a little off his game at the start of the second. He just couldn't shake Kenny's mount, and you know from training with BJ he's been put in that position many times so I was actually surprised that he couldn't buck Kenny off.


Kenny exerted his will. Plain and simple.

he has no skill to speak of. just muscle, special juice Im sure, and heavy hands. He'll always have a punchers chance. But other than that hes just a crude brawler with NO CHIN as you point out. Hes been hurt by every opponent hes faced in the UFC, once by a jab

Yeah, he definitely looks like he’s been on the juice.


Too bad for Joe, he was so close with that ankle lock.


He was. Joe showed again how smart of a fighter he is.


Even with the loss though, he proved he deserves to be one of the top contenders for the title in the future.


Yes. In the future.


As for Florian, he looks like he is ready now, but i think he peaked, with that win I thin he deserves his shot at the title and I'm sure he is pulling for Sherk to beat Penn so he can get his rematch.

He should get the winner – no doubt.

Did anyone else notice Florian take a cheap shot at Lauzon after the ref stopped the fight? And it wasn't like Florian was about to punch as the ref stepped in to stop it and he couldn't stop it, the ref jumped in to stop Florian and a good 2-3 seconds later he threw another punch.

I didn’t see that the first time. But I’ll go back and watch the fight again – and see.

Speaking of matchups – what does everyone think of J-Jau vs Nate Diaz? That could be a very interesting fight.

[JMCC]

Speaking of matchups – what does everyone think of J-Jau vs Nate Diaz? That could be a very interesting fight.

That was supposed to be TUF 5 finale. I think it would be a very technical fight, both are relentless when it comes to submissions.

[Capt.Caveman]

gotta disagree about karo. he got rocked he wasn't out though. i think you give him a few more seconds. no telling what could have happened. imo he was still alert and trying to defend. and the rance stoppage was non sense. florian did a great job keeping his mount and throwing shots but joe was defending the whole time. joes forearms must be sore cause that's where all the punches were hitting. yea he was in a bad spot and wasn't getting out but he also wasn't in danger of going out. florian kept throwing so he really didn't get a chance to try to sweep him. good job by kenny you can't take anything away from him but i still disagree. if your gonna stop fights when a guys barely landing punches then stop fights when a wrestler takes a guy down and holds him there for 15 min. and houston got knocked the fuck out

[Ninjanate]

Am I the only one that thinks that O&A should put a WOW logo on Joe's shorts? He is or was a fan, and I'm sure would like the sponsorship. And the altitude probably had little effect on Joe, because both him and BJ sleep in altitude tents. And yes Kenny threw one cheap shot after the ref stopped it. It wasn't a hard punch, just a little smack, not cool but nothing to get to upset about. Its probably just payback for the lampshade video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuunj8YAjc&eurl=http://joelauzon.com/

[mendozathejew]

gotta disagree about karo. he got rocked he wasn't out though. i think you give him a few more seconds. no telling what could have happened. imo he was still alert and trying to defend. and the rance stoppage was non sense.

http://i31.tinypic.com/198jtd.gif

I think it was a good stoppage. just barely on the good side of a 50/50 decision. Sure the ref could have allowed just 2 more seconds to put the exclamation point on the KO, but it wouldnt make any difference in the outcome. At this point in mma its about competition, more than a fight. The line at a victory is what it is, which is short of the the finishing head shot.

I used to want to see it also, but after a while especially in boxing Ive gotten tired of seeing fighters take career damaging beatings long after they are out of the fight. the real damage happens when a fighter is concussed, then takes more damage.

[Save My Up's Dick]

From Joe's site.

How can you not like this kid.

http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=88

Congrats to Kenny Florian
April 05, 2008
Kenny beat me, fair and square. He is the better fighter and proved it on Wednesday night. I knew I was an underdog coming in, and despite having a few good moments Kenny showed why he was the favorite.
Since this fight was announced I kept talking about Kenny's great ground game it was ultimately my downfall. After a back and forth first round, Kenny got mount in the second and I couldn't get him off me. I didn't take a lot of damage while on the bottom but Kenny wasn't going anywhere either. I got him off once, but used up a lot of energy in trying to get him off again and again.
I loved going to Colorado, but hope to never have to fight in altitude like that again. I went two and a half weeks early to get used to it and thought I was, but a fight is always worse on your body and I felt drained by the end of the first round. Coming out for the second round my legs felt like they weighed a thousand pounds and it was showed.
A lot of people have been talking to me about the elbows. While some of the elbows did land to the back of the head, and I have the stitches to prove it, it didn't affect the outcome of the fight. It certainly didn't help having the doctor try and take care of my cut and making me bend over forward and not being able to breath but thats how it goes sometimes. The blood didn't bother me and it wasn't the first time I had seen my own blood. Herb Dean stood us up, but then he told us to start fighting from standing position. I am still not sure why we were started standing when I had worked for a takedown and better position, but thats not on Kenny that should be on Herb Dean.
Thanks for all of the support to everyone. I have around 2000 emails and messages to go through and about 100 missed calls on my phone. I will get back to everyone but its gonna take some time. For right now, I am gonna lay low and relax in Florida with my girlfriend.
Thanks again,
Joe

[Cromwell]

Good post, SMUD.

Joe was kind enough to respond to my message to him.

He said he's has already learned a lot from the experience.

[Palerider4146]

Hey guys, I havnt gotten a chance to post in a while, especially about my man crush rance (just kidding J-LO ). Great night of fights I thought. Alexander, was in La La land. Karo, hmmmm, maybe he could have given him another few seconds, but not much past that. Rance did a nice job, but lets be real, Florian is the dominate fighter at this time and has deserved a chance to try and get the title again. I would expect him vs Sherk/Penn next.

That being said, the bag is might proud of you Rance and cant wait for your next fight.

Has anyone woken Tommy Speer up yet?

Manny Gamburian had a fight, quick guilotine choke I hear.

How does Clay Guida fight on a card and be a dark match. That guy gives insane fights to the fans each and every time.

Nate Diaz can be a great fighter, especially with his subs and sick triangles...but like his brother he is a punk. People who are genunine fans dont need some guy throwing double fingers in the air during his fight. Screw him.

[Capt.Caveman]

FEDOR VS SYLVIA


Emelianenko and Sylvia to fight in July
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Former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia (24-4) and longtime PRIDE title-holder Fedor Emelianenko (27-1) have agreed to fight on July 19, most likely at the American Airlines Center in Dallas.

The news was first reported by Sherdog.com, which learned of the fight from Emelianenko. According to the report, the event will likely be promoted by Affliction in partnership with HDNet Fights.

Affliction is a popular MMA clothing brand that recently made known its intentions of entering the fight-promotion business.

Sylvia, a longtime UFC fighter who only recently split from the organization, signed a non-exclusive deal with Adrenaline MMA, an organization (formerly known as M-1 Global) that is run bu his agent, Monte Cox. Sylvia had one fight remaining on his UFC contract, but the organization opted to let him out of the deal.

Upon his split from the UFC, the 32-year-old Miletich fighter issued a warning and told Emelianenko he wanted to fight him.

Emelianenko, who recently severed all ties with M-1 Global (after it was learned he never actually signed with the organization in the first place), remains one of the sport's most accomplished fighters.

The 32-year-old held the PRIDE Fighting Championships' heavyweight belt for more than four years before the organization's eventual demise this past summer. Although he's defeated some of the most notable fighters in the sport, he's fought few (if any) top-tier guys in recent years. He last fought in December at the Yarennoka! New Year's Eve 2007 show, where he defeated 7-foot-2 Hong Man Choi with a first-round armbar.

[Cromwell]

Hey guys, I havnt gotten a chance to post in a while


Hey buddy



Rance did a nice job, but lets be real, Florian is the dominate fighter at this time and has deserved a chance to try and get the title again. I would expect him vs Sherk/Penn next.

That being said, the bag is might proud of you Rance and cant wait for your next fight.


Which should be against Nate Diaz.


Has anyone woken Tommy Speer up yet?


Those knees will do you in every time.


Manny Gamburian had a fight, quick guilotine choke I hear.


If he wasn't such a troll - he'd be getting more respect.


How does Clay Guida fight on a card and be a dark match. That guy gives insane fights to the fans each and every time.


I agree. He's a damn exciting fighter.


Nate Diaz can be a great fighter, especially with his subs and sick triangles...but like his brother he is a punk. People who are genunine fans dont need some guy throwing double fingers in the air during his fight. Screw him.

Lets get the J-Lau v N.Diaz fight on already.


FEDOR VS SYLVIA


Emelianenko and Sylvia to fight in July


Good payday for Tim, I suppose. But he's going to get submitted.




last fought in December at the Yarennoka! New Year's Eve 2007 show, where he defeated 7-foot-2 Hong Man Choi with a first-round armbar.

That would be a better opponent for Sylvia. Also, Chieck Kongo. Sylvia called him out as I recall. What's up with that big french nig anyway? Who's his next oppoent?

Are we ever going to see Randy-Fedor? While they're still (relatively speaking) young?

[Capt.Caveman]

TUF talk here

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?p=2559234#post2559234

[av8rOC]

Sup baggers...

Going to be in San Juan PR this saturday night and I want to catch the card online, I have a good internet connection there. If someone could PM me a good program to use I would much apprecitate it.

-Av

[Capt.Caveman]

SAT NIGHTS CARD AND ODDS

Matt "The Terror" Serra +560
vs
Georges "Rush" St Pierre -600

Travis Lutter +560
vs
Rich "Ace" Franklin -600

Kalib Starnes +205
vs
Nate "The Rock" Quarry -230

Mark Bocek +600
vs
Mac Danzig -640

Charles "Chainsaw" McCarthy +600
vs
Michael "The Count" Bisping -640

Jason "Dooms" Day +390
vs
Alan "The Talent" Belcher -430

Joe Doerkson +250
vs
Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald -265

Demian Maia +100
vs
Ed "Short Fuse" Herman -105

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout -110
vs
Rich "No Love" Clementi -120

Jonathan Goulet -105
vs
Kuniyoshi Hironaka -125

Cain Velasquez -100
vs
Brad Morris -130

[av8rOC]

wow I'm def putting some money on Lutter w/ those odds!

[TheTruth]

I didn't realize there was bad blood between Serra and St. Pierre. You can't blame Serra for getting pissed for the comments that St. Pierre made about him.

And stupid St. Pierre's friend saying that Serra calling St. Pierre "Frenchy" is like calling a black guy the "N" word, gimmie a fuckin break.

[av8rOC]

I didn't realize there was bad blood between Serra and St. Pierre. You can't blame Serra for getting pissed for the comments that St. Pierre made about him.

And stupid St. Pierre's friend saying that Serra calling St. Pierre "Frenchy" is like calling a black guy the "N" word, gimmie a fuckin break.

I doubt there is bad blood... this has Dana's fingerprints all over it. I guarantee these guys are hugging each other after the fight.

[Cromwell]

I doubt there is bad blood... this has Dana's fingerprints all over it. I guarantee these guys are hugging each other after the fight.

I agree - this is just to sell PPV's.

If St. Pierre ain't ready for this one - I'm turning in my "MMA fan" card :icon_wink

[Palerider4146]

Ok UFC fans, I'm getting the PPV saturday night, last one before I move out of my house in two weeks. Nooooooo this wont be a housewrecking party, but if anyone in the Hazlet, NJ area want to watch, PM me.

[Capt.Caveman]

Ok UFC fans, I'm getting the PPV saturday night, last one before I move out of my house in two weeks. Nooooooo this wont be a housewrecking party, but if anyone in the Hazlet, NJ area want to watch, PM me.

I would but my wife has to work sat night and i have the 2 lil burdens:D

[Palerider4146]

I would but my wife has to work sat night and i have the 2 lil burdens:D


I hear ya caveman, I have my tax deduction also.

[askewcore]

I'll be at the Jimmy Nordin Caroline's show Saturday night, but will be TiVoing this card. Should be a good one.

[mendozathejew]

I agree - this is just to sell PPV's.

If St. Pierre ain't ready for this one - I'm turning in my "MMA fan" card :icon_wink

agreed. I like Serra alot but the sport needs a dominate GSP

[seeinred]

w00t for another new forum.

That is all.

[Eagle.007]

The addition of this sub forum is overdue. Thank you for adding it.

[Capt.Caveman]

good job mods

[Cromwell]

agreed. I like Serra alot but the sport needs a dominate GSP

If GSP dominates the way we expect him to - I'd like to see him take a crack at Anderson Silva.

Oh, yeah - and good job with the new forum here :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

If GSP dominates the way we expect him to - I'd like to see him take a crack at Anderson Silva.

Oh, yeah - and good job with the new forum here :icon_cool

winnerof serra vs st pierre gets fitch then alves is what i heard but silva st pierre would be sweet. who's left for silva to fight?

[Cromwell]

who's left for silva to fight?


That's what I'm sayin'

[Palerider4146]

I'm all for the new forum, but please, please can we put the "wrestling" thread in tv or something. It's entertainment, not really a sport. Just my .02 cents.

[StonerJack]

They are going to get Okami v Silva to happen. Okami has the DQ win over Anderson, and I'm sure he would like to fix that blemish.

[StonerJack]

I'm all for the new forum, but please, please can we put the "wrestling" thread in tv or something. It's entertainment, not really a sport. Just my .02 cents.

But what about Brock blah blah blah.:icon_roll
Ya I agree.

[mendozathejew]

savage beating. the odds on GSP were lowering by fight time (-400). that was free money if I have ever seen it

I was amused with GSP rattled off 4 or 5 jabs that landed flush and Serra full well knew he couldnt do a thing about it. I would have like to see him finish it standing.

[burky79]

I haven't seen it anywhere else, but here's the Joe Rogan story on Digg, from his blog : http://digg.com/extreme_sports/Joe_Rogan_The_UFC_and_me

He said it was a fmaily obligation.. he isn't leaving.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Being banned from entering Canada isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Capt.Caveman]

savage beating. the odds on GSP were lowering by fight time (-400). that was free money if I have ever seen it

I was amused with GSP rattled off 4 or 5 jabs that landed flush and Serra full well knew he couldnt do a thing about it. I would have like to see him finish it standing.

gsp didn't want to stand with serra. gsp dominated the fight but it was obvious he was worried about getting caught again. gsp vs fitch should be a good fight. hughes vs serra and silva vs okami maybe

[mendozathejew]

gsp didn't want to stand with serra. gsp dominated the fight but it was obvious he was worried about getting caught again. gsp vs fitch should be a good fight. hughes vs serra and silva vs okami maybe
you can look at it both ways, GSP beating Serra where Serra is most skilled, or beating Serra where GSP is most vulnerable. both are true.

Fitch will be a very different opponent for GSP. Its the first time I can remember where GSP wont have a massive size advantage

[Capt.Caveman]

you can look at it both ways, GSP beating Serra where Serra is most skilled, or beating Serra where GSP is most vulnerable. both are true.

Fitch will be a very different opponent for GSP. Its the first time I can remember where GSP wont have a massive size advantage

i see ur point. but lately no one has had an answer for gsp on the ground. he out wrestled hughes and koschek, that's fuckin inpressive considering both of their resumes. fitch should be a good fight but i don't see it going past the second round.

[mendozathejew]

fitch should be a good fight but i don't see it going past the second round.

really? thats an interesting prediction.

I thought that the size difference was amazing in the 3rd fight with Hughes. I think it definitely played a role. Fitch doesnt do anything amazingly well, but hes impressive imo. I think he'll have his moments against GSP and maybe it goes the distance.

Id love to see GSP let loose with his hands and kicks. But he needs work on his defense and it seems like he knows it. Fitch has already said and will probably say again that St Pierre is afraid to stand with him so that will make for an interesting storyline to the fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

really? thats an interesting prediction.

I thought that the size difference was amazing in the 3rd fight with Hughes. I think it definitely played a role. Fitch doesnt do anything amazingly well, but hes impressive imo. I think he'll have his moments against GSP and maybe it goes the distance.

Id love to see GSP let loose with his hands and kicks. But he needs work on his defense and it seems like he knows it. Fitch has already said and will probably say again that St Pierre is afraid to stand with him so that will make for an interesting storyline to the fight.

don't get me wrong Fitch is a tough dude. GSP is just a beast. His wrestling is sick and that's Fitch's stregnth. Like Hughes and Koscheck. He out wrestled both of them. I think Fitch is the future of the divison but GSP is just on another level right now.

[Cromwell]

I thought that the size difference was amazing in the 3rd fight with Hughes. I think it definitely played a role.


I agree.

And its not so much a "size" thing as a strength thing (which I suppose you are saying the same thing).

Whereas Hughes was able to overpower most of his other opponents (Sherk and Penn - who we now both see are really 155 lbers) - Royce Gracie, etc, etc. - he just could not do it with GSP.

Now - Serra - I'm looking foward to Hughes shutting him up once and for all.

Its how Franklin was able to escape Lutter - and then just overpower him physically - something he cannot do against Anderson Sliva (but just about every other 185-er - including Bisbing - which is now a fight everyone probably wants to see).


Fitch doesnt do anything amazingly well, but hes impressive imo. I think he'll have his moments against GSP and maybe it goes the distance.

Id love to see GSP let loose with his hands and kicks. But he needs work on his defense and it seems like he knows it. Fitch has already said and will probably say again that St Pierre is afraid to stand with him so that will make for an interesting storyline to the fight.


Agreed.

Can't wait to see that one.

[Palerider4146]

Hey Croms, I thought there was a time when you were a bit of a Serra fan. What happened?

[Cromwell]

Hey Croms, I thought there was a time when you were a bit of a Serra fan. What happened?

Before I was a "Serra fan" I was Hughes fan.

If Serra had done the TUF show the way Forrest and Rampage are doing it - or the way Hughes and Franklin did it - with mutual respect - I wouldn't have had a problem. But he decided to go the Shamrock against Tito route. Watching him week after week - piss and moan and obssess on Hughes - that just turned my stomach. It made me hate him.

Nothing made me happier than to what GSP bitch slap little loud mouth this past saturday night. By the time they stopped it in the second round - GSP could have mounted the littler feller and had his way with him - and there is nothing old "world shocker" could have done about it.

Well, now I want to see Hughes-Serra in the worst way. Dana will make it happen.

Always nice to hear from you, Pale. :icon_wink

[mendozathejew]

this is entertaining. coleman losing his mind after losing to fedor. then fedor asking randleman to go drink vodka with him

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw

[Capt.Caveman]

He's not on steriods....That's "creatine Rage":action-sm

[mendozathejew]

Randelman looks like he takes double.

he wrestled in college at in the 170s. hes taken so much he has liver problems, among others

[av8rOC]

I'll be the first to give Fedor shit for not fighting any legit competition in 2 years but you have to still love the guy. Really looking forward to the Sylvia fight!

[mendozathejew]

Aoki vs JZ. Aoki is one of Rogans favorites, he also mentioned JZ as one of the best lightweights in one of the recent ufc ppvs. Aoki has amazing bjj and judo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0iHDRSNO-I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvksrQYbNPQ

[mik3]

magic submission pants! almost

[Cromwell]

this is entertaining. coleman losing his mind after losing to fedor. then fedor asking randleman to go drink vodka with him

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw

Ha!

Great clip.

Thanks for posting.

Aww - Coleman's just "intense" that's all. :rolleyes: He's disappointed that he's a "stupid fuck" for losing the fight. By the way - are there any clips of the actual fight around?

As for Fedor - he wisely realizes that he shouldn't drink beer as it will make his already prone to an extra layer of fat body - even fatter.

Randelman? He seems like a decent enough fellow - but I still think of Chuck dropping him like a chocolate stone every time I see him. :icon_mrgr


Randelman looks like he takes double.

he wrestled in college at in the 170s. hes taken so much he has liver problems, among others

Really?

Man, you also gotta wonder of what the long-term effects of all that juicin' is going to have as well.

[mendozathejew]

By the way - are there any clips of the actual fight around?


yeah, its one of the few fights where fedor was in a bad position. Fedor adores the american wrestlers, mainly Coleman and Couture. some people think he intentionally didnt try to strike with Coleman in the first fight. in the second fight he savagely beat Coleman though

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUE5YWWGYeQ

this is also interesting
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Di3NAFhDKI4

[Capt.Caveman]

yeah, its one of the few fights where fedor was in a bad position. Fedor adores the american wrestlers, mainly Coleman and Couture. some people think he intentionally didnt try to strike with Coleman in the first fight. in the second fight he savagely beat Coleman though

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUE5YWWGYeQ

this is also interesting
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Di3NAFhDKI4

that's a prime example of getting caught

[mendozathejew]

that's a prime example of getting caught

Fedor is so dangerous with those arm bars from the bottom now. like rogan says he moves like a lightweight from the bottom.

what do you think of Aoki?

[Capt.Caveman]

Fedor is so dangerous with those arm bars from the bottom now. like rogan says he moves like a lightweight from the bottom.

what do you think of Aoki?

he's good. that laying there thing was getting a lil annoying. JZ should have just kept standing him up. I hate his stupid pants

[mendozathejew]

new defensive move
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd284/KillerRob_mma/gifs/japanesebackhandspringgif.gif

[burky79]

schaweett! continue the momentum and evade a gnp

[Capt.Caveman]

that was pretty cool

[mendozathejew]

Din Thomas and Tommy Speer were cut. TUF is really struggling. struggling ratings and last years finalist is one and done

[Capt.Caveman]

Din Thomas and Tommy Speer were cut. TUF is really struggling. struggling ratings and last years finalist is one and done

after his last match speer should have been cut

[burky79]

Matt Brown and Jeremy May tonight

wiki has a cool rundown of it :

TUF - Rampage vs Forrest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Fighter:_Team_Rampage_vs._Team_Forres t)

[mik3]

May started growing on me, and he was winning that match till he gassed.

And the Cramer fight was great. He took a couple serious shots and it was no big thing.

[mendozathejew]

after his last match speer should have been cut

I dont necessarily disagree. but the point is, what good is TUF at this point? if it isnt producing a lot of talent for the promotion, and they arent interested in investing time and fights in developing a finalist, the series isnt doing anything at this point.

[mendozathejew]

by the way Ive really enjoyed this season. maybe it just needs a new tv deal with another station

[Capt.Caveman]

I dont necessarily disagree. but the point is, what good is TUF at this point? if it isnt producing a lot of talent for the promotion, and they arent interested in investing time and fights in developing a finalist, the series isnt doing anything at this point.

last season was pretty good. danzig and george have some talent. a few of them are developmental prospects. speer just didn't know what to do when his takedowns got stuffed and he was fighting a real striker. I like the show. they are only 4 episodes in. And no feud this year may actually hurt them.

[mendozathejew]

yea but Danzig was already an established fighter. He didnt need TUF to compete in the UFC, much like Bisping. the both of them were kinda like ringers in that just about everyone else are new to the game, or have been around for a while and arent particularly good.

supposedly there is a confrontation with rampage and forrest, sounded like it was just shoving from what i read somewhere a few weeks ago. Ive enjoyed this season like I said. too many fights are completely amateurish though. Im not sure people are interested in watching when its clear from the outset that almost everyone in the cast wont amount to anything. whoever taught May how to through a punch should be shot (assuming hes ever been told)

[mendozathejew]

phenomenal fight from the Dream card this weekend. one of the best fights of the year. Hansen vs Alvarez

many gifs in spoiler
http://i29.tinypic.com/2cfxgjl.gif

http://i29.tinypic.com/2s141t0.gif

http://i32.tinypic.com/2qjeln6.gif

http://i26.tinypic.com/2lw4wmg.gif

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http://i32.tinypic.com/2dsvwi.gif

http://i25.tinypic.com/15dutlu.gif

[mendozathejew]

found a version of the fight. definitely worth the download
Dream 3 - Joachim Hansen vs Eddie Alvarez -
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BW0PS35Q


Dream 3 Nick_Diaz_vs_Katsuya_Inoue.avi
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3LU1BLYD

Dream_3_-_Jason_Miller_vs_Katsuyori_Shibata_
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RX9LYML2

Dream_3_-_Melvin_Manhoef_vs_Kim_Dae_Won_
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9QYT07NY

[TheTruth]

I'm wondering why DREAM doesn't have the same rules as PRIDE did, i.e. they don't allow head stomps.

Also when Rampage has been on the show he talked about how biased they are, and the ref's cam manipulate the fight in the favor of who they want to win. In the Diaz fight they kept stopping it to clean up they guy who he was fighting’s blood coming from his nose.

[mendozathejew]

Also when Rampage has been on the show he talked about how biased they are, and the ref's cam manipulate the fight in the favor of who they want to win. In the Diaz fight they kept stopping it to clean up they guy who he was fighting’s blood coming from his nose.

I am a very big Rampage fan. Hes my favorite mma fighter. And its true, in the first fight with Wanderlei he was in total control and was active on the ground. the ref waited for the slightest lull in the action and stood them up unfairly. (Rampage was then quickly KOd). Wanderlei was definitely the house fighter. Rampage was the savage impregnating Japenese women and making fun of their teeth. But I think he is over doing it a bit.

and its not likely reffing and judging is unbiased here in the US. Oscar de la Hoya gets excessive credit from the judges in boxing. Liddell gets excessive credit from the judges imo as well. the fighters with drawing power here tend to get the benefit of every doubt. Pride had questionable decision making when giving title shots. UFC certainly makes the same mistake. Honestly Rampage himself didnt really deserve a title shot with Liddell, but Chuck wanted it, and he is friends with Dana.

Nog is going to defend his title against Mir. no way in hell does Mir deserve a title shot. but they want to put the two of them as the next coaches for TUF so its a storyline.

[mik3]

What's Mir going to teach his team, don't buy a motorcycle?

[mendozathejew]

a couple of silly geese right here. with shonie carter reffing it.

http://i26.tinypic.com/r9ju4i.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqGsZzwPD94

[mik3]

Is that legit?

[mendozathejew]

Is that legit?

I think so. Its doing the rounds all over the mma and boxing boards. Shonie Carters' antics I think make it look questionable, but they both look out cold.

it would be a hell of a feat to pretend to get KOd and fall with your arms stiff the way that guy did

[supers4972]

I will be hitting the weigh-ins on Friday if anyone in Vegas wants to meet up. I will post some pics on Saturday.

I was broswing Sherdog and saw some Sherk pics and he looks tiny. BJ is going to murder him.

[mik3]

I don't believe you. Why would Sherk be small? I mean, since he was all natural before.

[Capt.Caveman]

I hope BJ wins I can't stand sherk. He's a good fighter but he's a cheater

[mik3]

Anyone know who Rothwell's fighting on the affliction card? I read somewhere a few weeks ago it might be Aleks but I can't find it.

[Eagle.007]

Aleks is fighting Buentello, Rothwell is rumored to fight Arlovski but Andrei hasn't signed with them yet.


http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=12825

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mmaplayground.com/league2/upcoming.aspx

Their saying Andre vs Rothwell

[Cromwell]

I'm enjoying the TUF series. It is what it is.

I didn't like that marginal fighter from Boston mouthing off to Forrest like that. Griffiin should have smacked him in the mouth.

Jackson is a baby - his team is getting beat. Plain and simple. Shut up and take it like a man.

I'm glad his "boy" got knocked out. What a boring one-dimensional fighter that guy was. He has *one* move - shoot in - pick the guy up and slam him. That's not MMA - that's WWE. He got knocked the fuck out by a Muy Thuy fighter. Ha, ha.

[mik3]

That was such a flash knockout though. And Rampage's team, in my opinion, has been hosed in decisions twice so far.

[Capt.Caveman]

I won't be watching this UFC with you guys. I'm going to VA to visit in laws. I'm gonna watch it on a real tv for once. she has DIAL UP so I won't be on. talk to you guys monday

[mik3]

I now understand why Forrest didn't want to match any of his guys up with CB, wow.

[mendozathejew]

http://sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1585

I do not like Tito Ortiz. but he comes across well in this interview on sherdog

[Cromwell]

That was such a flash knockout though.


So was Rampage's over Chuck. A knockout is a knockout.



And Rampage's team, in my opinion, has been hosed in decisions twice so far.

Right. Your opinion. I don't share it. :icon_wink


I won't be watching this UFC with you guys. I'm going to VA to visit in laws.

The internet will miss you. Can't guarantee that I will be able to fill in for you with the incessant posting throughout the fights :rolleyes:



I now understand why Forrest didn't want to match any of his guys up with CB, wow.


I wasn't all that impressed. He was ok. That other guy hung in there longer than anyone else expected. He's no sure thing to win it all.

Hey - I'm surprised nobody posted this yet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_87_FCUPDATE_01.jpg

Its the fight we all want to see :icon_cool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFC_87_FCUPDATE_02.jpg

[supers4972]

I just got back from the UFC 84 Ill Will weigh-ins. Check out my new pics. I tried to resize them to they were not too big. I met Wackbag' very own Rance and no fists this time.

http://a2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_cb68f3afccb9f20999ec960c302bee19.jpg
http://a570.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/l_80780b8424be875daea5284587635db9.jpg
http://a605.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/18/l_f43282f0fcab4cc048938f3bf9de1a0c.jpg
http://a840.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/59/l_2f0c9fe5ccb4ee425d36914c2bf95dbf.jpg
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=1142794&imageID=22257505

[supers4972]

Just a few more
http://a802.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/57/l_65aba06b35990eacf06b1aa58f8a7781.jpg

This is from MMA Weekly
http://photos.mmaweekly.com/gallery/Ultimate%20Fighting%20Championship%20-%20UFC/UFC_84/weigh/28_TitoOrtizUFC84Weigh.jpg

[mik3]

http://i28.tinypic.com/2cgo68n.jpg

[Cromwell]

http://a2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_cb68f3afccb9f20999ec960c302bee19.jpg



How's the diet coming, buddy?

:icon_wink

[askewcore]

If anyone finds a feed to UFC 84 a link would be much appreciated, fellers. :action-sm

[supers4972]

How's the diet coming, buddy?

:icon_wink
Surgery is next month.

[mendozathejew]

one solution for the fight
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/other-sports/20566-ufc-84-ill-will.html

check that forum for the other links out there tvu and sopcast links

[Cromwell]

Surgery is next month.

Good luck, bro :)




one solution for the fight
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/other-sports/20566-ufc-84-ill-will.html

check that forum for the other links out there tvu and sopcast links

'doz speaks the truth.

(though one of them is acting a big squirrelly at the moment)

Psyched for the fights! :icon_cool

[mik3]

If Ortiz wins does he wear a crazy shirt or another company's shirt?

[burky79]

one solution for the fight
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/other-sports/20566-ufc-84-ill-will.html

check that forum for the other links out there tvu and sopcast links

http://www.justin.tv/drofstyle

:)

[burky79]

btw, we gotta watching thread for 84 yet?

ive been busy for a while and havent checked in recently.

[Gotti420]

Anyone else watching the fights? Machida is dominating Tito

[Calbucfan1]

Silva destroyed Keith Jardine in about 36 seconds.

[GDRC]

Penn beats Sherk

[askewcore]

BJ looked excellent tonight. His boxing was on point and he dominated the fight with his jab. He teased fighting GSP in the post fight interview, that would be sick.

[supers4972]

He teased fighting GSP in the post fight interview, that would be sick.

Been there, done that and it wasn't pretty for BJ. He is better off at 155 and there are some up and coming studs for him.

[mendozathejew]

Been there, done that and it wasn't pretty for BJ. He is better off at 155 and there are some up and coming studs for him.

that fight could have gone either way. fuck, GSP was the guy in the hospital after the fight not looking pretty.

But I agree GSP is in his prime, much bigger and stronger than he was a couple years ago, and hed be the favorite rightfully so. But it is a winnable fight for Penn.

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm most impressed with Shane Carwin. I've been hearing great things about this guy and he didn't disappoint. He's supposed to be as dominant as kerr and coleman but with a standup game, BJ looked great I'm so glad he won. Lyoto beat Tito and I couldn't be happier. Silva threw Jardine a beating so much for him being finished at 30 huh,

[mendozathejew]

Wanderlei hasnt looked like that since pre Cro Crop II. All of that new training must have paid off cause he looked like he regained some of his explosiveness. him being shot was never about the losses, it was that he physically looked like shit against Hendo and Liddell. but he definitely didnt saturday

[supers4972]

Wanderlei hasnt looked like that since pre Cro Crop II. All of that new training must have paid off cause he looked like he regained some of his explosiveness. him being shot was never about the losses, it was that he physically looked like shit against Hendo and Liddell. but he definitely didnt saturday


I wish he would drop to 185 because him and Anderson Silva would be a great match up and he is a very small 205 but a fight in the US against Rampage would be great too.

[askewcore]

Who was that kid that armbarred Ivan Salaverry? I know Salaverry is old, but that kid's Jits was fucking lovely.

[Capt.Caveman]

The internet will miss you. Can't guarantee that I will be able to fill in for you with the incessant posting throughout the fights :rolleyes:


SSSAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cromwell]

SSSAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol.

Took you long enough to get there.

I agree with others here who would like to see how BJ could do against GSP again. With the way GSP has developed, I just don't see BJ having the same success against him again. He certainly won't have the reach advantage that he had over Sherk. So, that eliminates a boxing advantage. I just don't see Penn doing what it takes - putting on the true muscle weight to be a legitimate 170-lber the way GSP or Fitch is. Which by the - I'm very excited to see those two fight.

Getting back to Penn and Sherk - what the helll was Sherk doing engaging in a boxing match? He was at a reach disadvantage and it showed. After the first round he should have know he couldn't win it this way. Penn was slowly picking him apart. Sherk got away from his gameplan, I'm sure. He should have been doing everything he could to take Penn down. He didn't. Where was this ground and pound he was supposed to execute? It all stems from getting the takedown. He never *really* went for it (a few half-hearted attempts).

So, by the third round - after being outboxed and feeling the effects of it - he allowed himself to get ko'ed by that flying knee.

Yeah, BJ looked better as the fight went on. But does anyone think he can do the same to GSP? I don't think so.

[JMCC]

Yeah Sherk looked over matched by BJ's boxing, but in no way do I see BJ doing the same against GSP.

[Capt.Caveman]

I don't think danas gonna make that match just yet. There are a lot of good lwt's out there still.

[mendozathejew]

GSP should be able to outstrike BJ. He has superior size and speed. But that doesnt mean he will. He certainly didnt the first time. He could have destroyed Serra or Hughes in the stand up but I not sure the confidence is all the way back yet. The fight with Fitch should show us a lot

[mendozathejew]

http://i26.tinypic.com/r9ju4i.jpg
and here is the black version
http://i28.tinypic.com/24oboki.jpg

[Capt.Caveman]

just watched smashing machine again. For anyone who hasn't seen it def get it. great docu

[Cromwell]

just watched smashing machine again. For anyone who hasn't seen it def get it. great docu

I watched it a year ago. And posted about it then. But congrats to you for finally getting up to speed :rolleyes:

Its a great piece on the dangers of using "painkillers" to deal with injuries. Oh, and the perils of having a completely toxic wife.

Mark Coleman actually comes out of the thing looking the best.

:icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

I am so annoyed. I tevoed faber pulver and it cut off right before their fight. so now I got to record it again tonite. that's the only thing wrong with tevo. Torres fight was good

[NeonTaster]

Any thoughts on the upcoming Kenny Florian vs Roger Huerta fight?

Both of those guys are stone cold killers. And possibly the bloodiest fight in UFC history? They are both notorious for making opponents bleed... Florian's elbows are sharpened to fucking points.

[Gotti420]

Any thoughts on the upcoming Kenny Florian vs Roger Huerta fight?

Both of those guys are stone cold killers. And possibly the bloodiest fight in UFC history? They are both notorious for making opponents bleed... Florian's elbows are sharpened to fucking points.

I think it will be a good fight. I'm rooting for Huerta, but I don't see either of them being able to beat BJ Penn.

[NeonTaster]

I think it will be a good fight. I'm rooting for Huerta, but I don't see either of them being able to beat BJ Penn.

I love Florian, but I actually think Huerta has a better chance against BJ, simply because he's also a "shock and awe" kind of fighter. He's an animal (and so is BJ). I think that fight would be an intense one.

[Eagle.007]

Florian should win easily for many reasons. Perhaps the biggest are that Roger will have had eight months off and Kenny looked far more impressive in his last fight than Roger did. I've got Kenny, by submission, early in the second.

[Capt.Caveman]

I watched it a year ago. And posted about it then. But congrats to you for finally getting up to speed :rolleyes:



I know your an older gentleman and maybe you missed the word AGAIN:action-sm

Rance's lil bro to headline WCF card

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4597/lauzon-vs-hoxie-headlines-fridays-wcf-event-ufc-vets-on-hand.mma

[Cromwell]

I know your an older gentleman


Yeah. That's right. Me and Randy Couture. :icon_cool



and maybe you missed the word AGAIN:action-sm


I did see it. Didn't buy it, though. You just wanted to make this "big announcment" (like you do incessantly here) - but it was "old news" :p



Rance's lil bro to headline WCF card

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4597/lauzon-vs-hoxie-headlines-fridays-wcf-event-ufc-vets-on-hand.mma

Its about time the kid got a meaningful fight and timeslot. :icon_wink

[Capt.Caveman]

I did see it. Didn't buy it, though. You just wanted to make this "big announcment" (like you do incessantly here) - but it was "old news" :p



very hurtful sir.....your getting grumpy in your golden years:haha7:

[mendozathejew]

This shit is a good read. Its more controversy regarding Frank Dux of "Blood Sport" fame who claims to be 329-0 in Kumite fighting. as well as a CIA agent in Iran Contra, and a whole load of other shit.

I saw this posted on Sherdog, an article written about Dux being a fraud. Dux responds in the comments section. If you have 10 minutes, read through this shit, its comedy gold. The back and forth between allegations and this guy trying to defend himself is really amusing. Its the ramblings of an insane person


http://iamsheamus.com/everything-else/will-the-real-frank-dux-please-stand-up/

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/kumite-champion-frank-dux-329-0-responds-801153/

[nitron]

Frank Dux?

2 years ago i acted after years of wondering to myself. if Dux is as good as the movie claims how comes he never became a big name action star? I did some research on him and find out that "fraud" is a word commonly attached to his name.
At the end of "bloodsport" there's these amazing stats about Frank Dux. Granted, hollywood takes creative license even with "based on a true story" films. But people question the claims that he did work for the CIA after being hired by then agency chief William Casey. Him participating in a secret martial arts tournament named the "Kumite".
Then there him suing and then losing a breach of contract suit against Jean Claude Van Damme.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

If you did a time line of all of his alleged deeds how old would he be? "whaa"

[nitron]

He would be a middle age guy. He should at least be 51. (i think according to his book "The Secret Man")
I guess you don't believe he shattered bullet proof glass with his hand?

[Capt.Caveman]

Joe Lauzon vs. Kyle Bradley at UFC Fight Night 15


After debuting with the UFC as a welterweight, Kyle Bradley (13-5 MMA, 0-1 UFC) will drop to his normal fighting weight of 155 pounds to meet contender Joe Lauzon (16-4 MMA, 3-1 UFC).

A source close to Bradley told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the two fighters recently agreed to meet at UFC Fight Night 15, an event that takes place Sept. 17 at the Omaha Civic Auditorium in Omaha, Neb.

The event, which features a headline bout of Mac Danzig vs. Clay Guida, airs on Spike TV.

Bout agreements were distributed to the fighters last week, we're told.

Lauzon, a standout from the fifth season of "The Ultimate Fighter," snapped his six-fight win streak (which included three straight victories in the UFC) with a second-round TKO loss to Kenny Florian at UFC Fight Night 13 in April. Lauzon's win streak included five first-round stoppages and one second-round submission.

The 24-year-old will look to reclaim a spot on the UFC's crowded list of contenders.

Bradley, a Team Voodoo fighter, debuted in February at UFC 81 and suffered a first-round knockout loss to the veteran Lytle. Prior to his UFC debut, Bradley had competed for many of the Southeast's top regional promotions, including UFC fighter Rich Clementi's No Love Entertainment organization. The 25-year-old had been riding a seven-fight win streak and had won 10 of his previous 11 fights.

Of Bradley's 13 professional victories, eight have come via knockout.

[Capt.Caveman]

GSP nominated for an ESPY

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4701/george-st-pierre-nominated-for-an-espy.mma

[Capt.Caveman]

Jesse Taylor will get to Fight after all vs CB Dolloway


http://mmajunkie.com/news/4703/jesse-taylor-vs-c-b-dollaway-at-ufc-fight-night-14.mma

[Capt.Caveman]

Do you really need 2 guys to hate each other to rent a ppv? That's what mma junkie is reporting, there is not a lot of buzz around this fight cause Forest and Rampage don't hate each other....HUH? Liddell and Couture never hated each other.

[supers4972]

I caught up with Bobby and Yimmy at the weigh-ins today. I will have pics tomorrow. There were too many people and not many fighters around this time.

[Capt.Caveman]

Koscheck to fight Penn at 155?!?!?!


http://mmajunkie.com/news/4734/josh-koscheck-wouldnt-mind-fighting-bj-penn.mma

[mr. sin]

wont back read due to being on my cell
bobby is sitting a few rows behind chuck liddel

[Captain_Spaulding]

I read onSherdog that Griffin's win was controversial. Am I way off in thinking that he pretty clearly won that fight? I felt that forest (with the exception of the first round) seemed to not be effected by Jackson's efforts and he pretty much dominated the remainder of the fight. Maybe I am off in my assessment but that is how it looked to me. Jackson looked tired and not very confident after Forrest handed his ass to him in the 2nd.

[Gotti420]

I read onSherdog that Griffin's win was controversial. Am I way off in thinking that he pretty clearly won that fight? I felt that forest (with the exception of the first round) seemed to not be effected by Jackson's efforts and he pretty much dominated the remainder of the fight. Maybe I am off in my assessment but that is how it looked to me. Jackson looked tired and not very confident after Forrest handed his ass to him in the 2nd.

It was a close decision, but I think Forrest definitely won the fight

[wes mantooth]

It was a close decision, but I think Forrest definitely won the fight


I agree with this. Great fight overall.

[mendozathejew]

I read onSherdog that Griffin's win was controversial. Am I way off in thinking that he pretty clearly won that fight? I felt that forest (with the exception of the first round) seemed to not be effected by Jackson's efforts and he pretty much dominated the remainder of the fight. Maybe I am off in my assessment but that is how it looked to me. Jackson looked tired and not very confident after Forrest handed his ass to him in the 2nd.

effective aggression. rampage wasnt as aggressive but when he was he landed cleaner with more effect. Griffen said he thought he lost the 3rd, and all the judges gave rampage the 4th. Id take effective aggression over superior aggression anyday, but combat sports seems to be moving away from that old rule

it was a close fight either way. i had it a draw. but no way did either guy dominate it.


and I never thought I would say this....but Anderson Silva would have put a stomping on Rampage and probably Griffen last night. I only say probably for Griffen because hes practically a HW in there

[mills]

I can't get over how good it feels to see Anderson in the Light Heavyweights. I was worried he'd just kind of get bored and go away in his natural division, but now even more people will hear about him and find out what Once In A Lifetime really means. No one on the planet can beat this guy. Everytime someone tries it's just a comedy/tragedy/opera of fail.

By doing this he will ensure countless, eyepopping, fights will occur in the UFC for years to come. In the end, Silva will be solely responsible for taking UFC to the next level of respect in american sports.

[mendozathejew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1sMaGxwpNw

fight of the year candidate. the dream lightweight semi finals from last night

[Gotti420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1sMaGxwpNw

fight of the year candidate. the dream lightweight semi finals from last night

Yeah, that was a great fight. It sucks that Alvarez couldn't continue to the finals, I would have loved to see him fight Aoki..

[Capt.Caveman]

Keith Jardine says he's fighting Brandon Vera at UFC 89


Keith Jardine (13-4-1 MMA, 5-3 UFC) will look to rebound from his recent loss to Wanderlei Silva when he meets Brandon Vera (9-2 MMA, 5-2 UFC) at UFC 89, an event that takes place Oct. 18 at The NIA in Birmingham, England.

Jardine today announced the fight on an Albuquerque radio show.

The light heavyweight bout will likely end up on the night's main card, which currently features a headline bout between Michael Bisping and Chris Leben.

However, the UFC has yet to announce the fight.

Jardine most recently suffered a stunning, 36-second knockout to Wanderlei Silva at UFC 84. The loss came right after the biggest win of his career -- a split-decision victory over Chuck Liddell in September 2007.

With a May 2007 loss to Houston Alexander, the Team Jackson fight has now lost two of his past three fights -- the first such stretch of his seven-year career.

Vera, meanwhile, will look to shake a recent three-fight funk. After a unanimous-decision loss to Tim Sylvia at UFC 77, Vera then suffered a first-round TKO to Fabricio Werdum at UFC 85. He then decided to drop to 205 pounds, and though he scored a unanimous-decision victory over UFC newcomer Reese Andy at this past weekend's UFC Fight Night 14, the performance was flat and heavily criticized.

The fight with Jardine is essentially a must-win for Vera, a former top heavyweight contender who had, at one time, been promised a title shot with then-champ Tim Sylvia, but a feud with his manager kept the fight from happening. Since returning from that year-long layoff, Vera -- who began his UFC career with four consecutive stoppage victories -- has posted three lackluster performances.


http://mmajunkie.com/news/4872/keith-jardine-says-hes-fighting-brandon-vera-at-ufc-89.mma

[JMCC]

Fedor Emelianenko vs Andrei Arlovski Affliction fight slated for October 11

Fresh off what many feel to be a major success with its first-ever show on July 19 dubbed, “Banned,” Affliction MMA will go for an encore in the backyard of the promotion that “banned” it in the first place.

Indeed, Affliction has its sights set on Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 11 for its next show, according to Yahoo!Sports.com. And anyone who’s anyone knows that “Sin City” is UFC turf — the organization that forbid its fighters to don the clothing company’s apparel at its events.

But who really cares about that because the same report confirms that former UFC champion Andrei Arlovski will challenge the last man to hold the Pride FC heavyweight strap, Fedor Emelianenko, likely for the Russian’s newly-won heavyweight WAMMA title in the main event of the evening.

It’s a dream match that ost fans have fantasized about for years.

And perhaps the only thing that can top that news is what ace the UFC pulls from its sleeve to once again counter this latest bold move. Perhaps it once again includes UFC Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva.

This is getting good. Real good.

http://mmamania.com/2008/07/23/fedor-emelianenko-vs-andrei-arlovski-affliction-fight-slated-for-october-11/

[Capt.Caveman]

Fedor Emelianenko vs Andrei Arlovski Affliction fight slated for October 11


http://mmamania.com/2008/07/23/fedor-emelianenko-vs-andrei-arlovski-affliction-fight-slated-for-october-11/

I've wanted to see this fight for 5 years. I honestly believe arlovski's style is gonna give fedor problems

[mendozathejew]

I agree on the feet Arlovski has an advantage. not a significant one, but especially with Freddy Roach training him in boxing, he throws straighter punches. But in the clinch and on the ground, major advantage for Fedor. Im not sure AA can withstand ground and pound from Fedor.

Great fight. I think Barnett is the tougher challenge, but AA is right behind him. I wonder who they put Barnett up against.

[mendozathejew]

interested list from Gross over at SI.com

For Fedor, though, I've said for a longtime he's the best fighter I've ever seen, and I still believe that. But you're only as good as your last fight, and with bouts like the ones you mentioned, I'm can see how you would write him off as an automatic winner.

Arlovski is speed, speed, speed. Barnett is, well, experienced. He's large, knows how to apply and avoid submissions and he can strike when he needs to.

Who else? From best chance of defeating the Russian to the worst, my top five toughest challengers (though, admittedly, No. 5 might be a stretch):

1. Josh Barnett
2. Andrei Arlovski
3. Randy Couture
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
5. Anderson Silva

[pink soccer]

hmm it seems like affliction could be a good thing for the UFC, or at least its fans. i hope that the UFC counters with a good card like they did this past weekend. a serious challenger to the UFC only make them step up their game.. much like the WWF/E WCW fued in the late 90's

[Capt.Caveman]

Elite card yesterday wasn't terrible. smith's strategy was working i think he gassed and tried to rest anad lawler took it to him.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

That Brazilian chick needs to be tested for steroids.

[Capt.Caveman]

That Brazilian chick needs to be tested for steroids.

yea she tossed that broad around...she fought like a man

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The other chick gassed.

Hope Gina trains her ass off for that fight.

[grail]

Decent fights last night on EXC. The brazilian chick was a beast. Like the look of rage on her fast when she realized she hadn't knocked the other chick out yet. Complaints though were still too long of intros and too many commercials. Better overall production this time.

[nitron]

That Brazilian chick needs to be tested for steroids.

for a moment i thought you meant Carina Damm

[Cromwell]

for a moment i thought you meant Carina Damm

Gina needs to be "tested" with my penis dipstick :icon_mrgr

As for serious MMA news:

Is Huerta ready to leave UFC?
By Steve Cofield

Roger Huerta isn't happy with UFC and he's telling anyone who will listen. Two interviews have come to light in the last day or so as Huerta readies for his fight UFC 87 against Kenny Florian.

Huerta, 25, has been built into a star by UFC, which has carefully selected his opponents to allow him the time to hone his skills. He was also the first MMA fighter featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated. He is a perfect 6-0 in the octagon and has done sterling work for the company as a go-to guy for interviews. He's also one of the few Spanish-speaking fighters who can help UFC reach the Latino market. It's been a productive two-way relationship.


His first complaint was to MMAMadness.com. He says UFC put him a bad light with some creative video editing.

"They put these videos on the UFC where I said the fight was going to be a "cakewalk". They f**king pissed me off because what I was saying is that, COMPARED TO MY LIFE, this fight is a cakewalk," said Huerta. "It was in no way a disrespect to Kenny, it's just with all the s**t I've been through as a kid, fighting Kenny is a cakewalk. Anyway…when it comes down to it, it really is just a fight…it's just a fight."

FiveOuncesofPain.com points out that 'El Matador' took it up a notch in a conversation with Fight! Magazine:

Huerta’s disillusionment with the UFC began when he did press tours for his employer in Miami, Houston, Los Angeles, and London and received a $50 per diem for his troubles. Zuffa does not treat its contracted fighters with sufficient loyalty or respect. He rails against a Fortune 500 company for offering a deal to build him as a spokesman that included unpaid work. "Are you serious?" Huerta ask. "I know Dale Earnhardt Jr isn’t doing appearances for free."

Huerta laid down the gauntlet later in the convo with Fight! Magazine's Neil Taflinger:

"The truth is, I don’t really care if I fight in the UFC or somewhere else," Huerta says. "For a company that is as loyal to me as I am to them."
Huerta is one of the best interviews in the business because he doesn't hold back. I'm not taking either side in this spat but it seems like this should've been handled behind closed doors. That said, maybe Huerta has tried that approach and this was the next best step.

Huerta will go to another promotion, maybe strikeforce or maybe affliction, because he will never beat Penn & he'll never be a champion in the UFC.

VegasWarMachine posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 6:31 pm EDTReport Abuse
2 neither one can beat penn, so go someplace else.
MJ posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 6:57 pm EDTReport Abuse
3 lol that doesn't make any sense, go someone else because neither one can beat penn? The UFC should just get rid of the 155 division then.
Trigga posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 9:46 pm EDTReport Abuse
4 someplace*
Trigga posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 9:47 pm EDTReport Abuse
5 He better beat Ken Flo or nobody is gonna care about his opinion.
Kevin S posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 10:02 pm EDTReport Abuse
6 He will beat Kenflo then go to Affliction for some cake... Dana dont pay...
urwrecked posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 12:33 am EDTReport Abuse
7 Kenny Flo is going to beat Hurta like Penn did Sherk.
Chuck Fan posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 6:57 am EDTReport Abuse
8 Huerta should leave because just like many of the previous posts, he has absolutely zero chance of ever beating BJ Penn and honestly I'll be surprised if he even gets past Florian. I would like to see Gray Maynard take on Huerta and slam his a-s-s through the floor...
SoAccurate posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 11:27 am EDTReport Abuse
9 everyone should leve him lone hes a great guy.a real man and one of the best fighters ive ever seen.i hope he kills kenflo .i like kenflo but roger needs to prove that these haters cant mess with his head.he s rightfully got a chip on his shoulder and should use that anger to kill ken flo. i love bj penn and roger.i dont wanna see them fight.
Bree M posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 12:11 pm EDTReport Abuse
10 Huerta is a tough mother, but Florian is never a cakewalk. He thinks he's unbeatable because of his record, but if Guida would have jumped on him when he was rocked in his last fight he wouldn't even have a chance at a title shot. He thinks he is bigger than he is because of the S.I. cover...that's all
brokenvessel posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 1:28 pm EDTReport Abuse
11 I can tell that most of you know nothing about MMA! And I know that none of you are fighters! Thats clear.
How can you people say that this person or that person has no chance of winning a certin fight? Anything can happen at this level of the game. And to say otherwise is crazy! Just look at GSP vs. Serra 1. Sarra is not as well rounded or as talented as GSP but he still won the fight. Anything can happen. I suggest that instead of going online and talking smack about guys who go out and put it all on the line. you guys should find a gym and somehow dig up enough courage to step into a ring or cage. Because if you are one of the few who puts it all on the line then you can say whatever you want!
xaolung posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 3:25 pm EDTReport Abuse
12 penn is a freak of nature. he's fought from 155 and dominated to near 200 pounds in a close fight against top lhw contender lyoto machida (look it up). but don't get it twisted, anyone can be beat in any fight. anyone can get knocked out and anyone can be submitted.
Russ posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 3:27 pm EDTReport Abuse
13 From what I can see, it looks like both Roger and Kenny are stand-up guys. I would be angry as well if the UFC was misdirecting my comments and taking them out of context. Just watch, competition is a good thing, it would be a healthy thing for the UFC if they started to make a name for themselves in respect to taking care of their fighters. Its seems it would be better to err on the side of taking too much care than not enough, don't you say? Nonetheless, I still love the UFC.
thespioso posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 3:40 pm EDTReport Abuse
14 Right on #12!! Really get a kick out of #10's commendable sensitivity in her, hopefully, metaphorical call for the opponent's death.
IDGAD posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 3:52 pm EDTReport Abuse
15 Good for him, I'm glad Roger is telling people how he feels about the UFC. With out any question, the UFC is the big dog within MMA. However that doesn't mean they treat the fighters how they should be treated. Lets face it with out the fighters the UFC has nothing and vice verusa. As lon as a fighter is preforming well and doing what they need to do tp help the sport grow they should be well taken care of. If Dana is not carefull he could be in danger of losing many big name stars to other promotions.
D ROCK posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 4:07 pm EDTReport Abuse
16 While I agree that anything can happen in any given fight, I don't think that Huerta could come anywhere close to defeating BJ Penn, I mean Huerta is one of my favorite fighters, but I don't even think he's gonna beat Kenflo unfortunately. I do think that the UFC needs to start treating it's fighters better, obviously some of their best guys feel mistreated. Oh and anybody who come's on these thing's and says they could beat these guys is full of (profane) if you were really that good you'd be fighting, not anonymously posting on this blog. Please get over being weak and scared.
mathiasmorciglio posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 4:27 pm EDTReport Abuse
17 wow people, get off Penn's [profane] so others can suck on it.
g'lord.
the article was nothing about Penn.
it was about Huerta and his feelings on the UFC... mostly directed at Dana, im sure. Because Dana's an effing immature and selfish moron.

it doesnt matter if Huerta could beat Penn or not.
He's a fantastic fighter... and a fun one to watch.
it's like all these kids that dont follow MMA in its entirety... run around and yell out names like BJ Penn and Anderson Silva.

I hope Huerta gets treated the way he should be treated. Fuk going to Strikeforce. that organization is a joke. I'd like to see him go to WEC, where there is competition for him.
Aaron Y posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 4:30 pm EDTReport Abuse
18 #20 I agree that everyone should get off of Bj's tip. He's a great fighter that utill recentley hasn't lived up to all the hype.He's very gifted and tatlented but he doesn't always show up in the best of shape. Any one thing that I wanted to point out to #20.....The WEC is owned by Zuffa which owns the UFC so if roger leaves the UFC you won't be seeing him in the WEC. I would say the safe bet is that he could end up with Affliction or Elite XC.
D ROCK posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 4:59 pm EDTReport Abuse
19 This is the same story we've been hearing again and again from UFC talent. Dana treats his fighters like garbage, underpays them, exploits them, disrespects them, then expects them to be loyal. He'd better change his ways or all the top talent will shun the UFC, just like Fedor, Couture, Arlovski, Sylvia, Ortiz etc.
abdiver12 posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 5:28 pm EDTReport Abuse
20 Huerta is the real deal and whether he beats Kenflo or not, he is a tough dude. He has been good for the UFC and he may have a good point about them not taking care of their fighters. Whether Alliction is successful or not, it will good in the long haul for there to be some competition in the MMA world. Penn is just like anyone else, on any given night, he can get caught out there with a shot or get submitted. No one is unbeatable,
Barry A posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 5:56 pm EDTReport Abuse
21 For those spectator warriors shut up and put in the work before you talk! #12 I couldn’t of put it down any better. These guys are just doing there job so they could get paid its there profession for the time being, so keep on dreaming and purchasing the show’s every fighter deserves respect you never know which one will knock you out. Peace out
Johnny posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 6:14 pm EDTReport Abuse
22 I agree with #12, in MMA any opponent can beat another on any given night. Florian, Huerta, and Penn, are skilled tough fighters, who have proven their metal in the cage. I think that the Florian Huerta fight will be a good one. May the best man win that night.
Rico S posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 6:33 pm EDTReport Abuse
23 Huerta is one of my favorite fighters in the 155-pound division and give him much respect for what he’s done. “Power trip Dana” needs to start treating his fighters with more loyalty and respect; otherwise they will lose their most prized fighter to Affliction or Elite XC. I hope Huerta comes with a victory over KenFlo and shuts Dana’s (profanity) mouth up.
dizzwun@sbcglobal.net posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 6:35 pm EDTReport Abuse
24 Power to huerta for standing up and expressing his feelings towards the ufc. I remember seeing after ufc84 that yahoo posted the fighters' salaries. Jardine made 10 grand for his fight agaist w silva. He lost in less than a minute but was coming off a huge win over chuck. 10 grand in my opinion for a talented fighter like keith is complete disrespect. Sylvia got payed 800,000 after losing in less than a minute. Just something to think about.
Carp posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 6:58 pm EDTReport Abuse
25 The bottom line is so many fighters are saying the same thing that Zuffa and Dana are not paying what there fighter deserves. Yes UFC is by far better then the rest of the MMA organizations out there but if Zuffa and Dana don't change some of there stances with fighters. I believe alot more will defect to the other organizations. I would like to see MMA be like boxing( some ways because boxing is shady too) were as any fighter can fight each other instead of I belong to the UFC or Eliteextrem. Then you would really find out who are the best fighters in the world.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Fifty per day is an insult. Dana needs a buffer to interact with the talent and their needs, and then balance it with the UFC needs.

Greed KILLS.

[Cromwell]

Fifty per day is an insult. Dana needs a buffer to interact with the talent and their needs, and then balance it with the UFC needs.

Greed KILLS.


Agreed. If he is going to do Rolling Stone interviews where he callously throws money away at a Las Vegas gaming table - he then can't cry "expenses" while nickel and diming his featured fighters (and say what you will about Huerta chances or not - he is currently one of his featured guys).

Here's some more recent news:

Lesnar faces must-win against Herring

By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports

On Saturday night, Brock Lesnar goes into the cage with Heath Herring to answer a question: Is previous fame heading into a mixed martial arts career a blessing or a curse?Lesnar, a former NCAA wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment star, is one of the greatest athletic prospects to ever come into the sport. He has size, strength and, most of all, incredible quickness and reflexes for a man who had to cut weight to make the 265-pound heavyweight limit.But as he heads into Saturday’s UFC 87 showdown against rugged veteran Heath Herring, he runs the risk that his headlining fame will be over just as quickly as it started.“There’s always pressure to win in every circumstance,” said Lesnar. “Me, being very new, nobody wants to follow a loser. I don’t want to say my back is against the wall, but I put pressure on myself. There’s no added pressure in my mind, but I want to win the fight.”Lesnar can’t afford a second straight loss on a major pay-per-view event and still be considered a long-term main eventer.And with a hefty contract, Lesnar (1-1 overall; 0-1 UFC) is unlikely to be kept around unless he can be a major pay-per-view seller. It’s not a lock that if he loses he’ll be gone, but if he looks bad or is knocked out, it’s a distinct possibility. UFC last year cut Mirko Cro Cop, a similarly highly paid heavyweight, after two losses.“I plan on being around for a while,” said Lesnar.After signing a lucrative UFC deal, Lesnar’s first match, on Feb. 2, was against Frank Mir, a former UFC heavyweight champion, who is noted for being one of the best submission heavyweights in the sport. Lesnar looked like an unstoppable, but also undisciplined, force – for about 85 seconds. Lesnar exploded for takedowns that were more like violent linebacker hits. His quickness in moving on the ground was freakish for a man of his size, leaving Mir in immediate disbelief. Lesnar was battering the former champ on the ground, who kept thinking to himself to just keep moving so the match wouldn’t be stopped. Lesnar even knocked Mir down with a punch.

Five seconds later, it was over, and Mir’s arm raised in victory.“I had a dominant position and I stood up and made an amateur mistake,” said Lesnar.Lesnar got to his feet after escaping an armbar on the ground, leaving his leg behind, and Mir caught Lesnar in a kneebar, causing him to tap out. It was a spot Lesnar drilled regularly in practice before the fight, and even more after.In response to the loss, Lesnar added Rodrigo “Comprido” Medeiros, a seven-time Brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion, to his team of coaches.“I worked a lot of stand-up this camp,” he said. “We worked on all aspects of wrestling, a lot of jiu-jitsu defense, a lot of leg kick defense. Heath has a strong right hand and is well-rounded with his kicks. We haven’t left any rock unturned for this fight.“First and foremost, I didn’t like to lose,” Lesnar said. “Nobody likes to lose. I have to be a little more relaxed. I’m a little more relaxed and a little more polished. I’ve had a few more months to train. The Brock Lesnar now against the Brock Lesnar then, I’d beat him.”

The estimated 600,000 buys Lesnar’s match with Mir did on pay-per-view is bigger than any boxing or MMA match has done so far this year, and among the biggest in MMA history. Even more impressive, UFC sources indicated nearly half had never purchased a UFC event before.Because UFC president Dana White saw the potential of bringing new fans to the sport, Lesnar walked into the company as one of its highest paid fighters, at a $250,000 base guarantee plus undisclosed bonuses.But because of that same drawing power, and the cost, his early path is opposite to how UFC has treated similar heavyweight prospects Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez, or how Elite XC has booked Kimbo Slice.The others have been given lower or mid-level opponents to start out with to build their reputation.

UFC decided that with what they were paying Lesnar, there was going to be no such slow grooming process.“I said from the beginning I didn’t want any easy fights, and Heath is not an easy opponent,” said Lesnar.Things are a lot different in match No. 2. The company did an intense marketing campaign around his debut, pushing him as a former WWE champion, showing clips of his pro wrestling matches and using him as an outsider from pro wrestling coming into UFC to see what happens if a pro wrestler were to fight for real.But for this fight, things are different. Lesnar is no longer a novelty act to either the media or the audience. He’s a name fighter, but one who has to prove himself. He hasn’t been marketed as hard as he was for the first show. He’s clearly the draw for the live show and expected to be the most popular fighter on the show, which heading into the week has sold 11,000 tickets for $2.2 million. That’s a 180-degree turn from the Las Vegas crowd, which booed him out of the arena, seeing him as a fake pro wrestler invading their sport.

But on a national basis, the main event is clearly Georges St. Pierre’s welterweight title defense against Jon Fitch.“I think experience is something that is much needed,” admitted Lesnar, now 31, facing a man who is actually a year younger than he is even though he’s almost a pioneer heavyweight in the sport.Texan Herring has 41 pro fights over the past 11 years, in nearly every major organization. He became a star in Japan at the age of 22, and has been in the ring with a Who’s Who list of the greatest heavyweights of all-time.“For me, I’ve been able to get a lot of experience in the training room,” said Lesnar.Herring, a big star during PRIDE’s heyday in Japan when he was known as “The Texas Crazy Horse” for his unique multi-colored hair, noted he’s beaten men bigger than the 6-2 ½, 277-pound Lesnar, as well as higher credentialed wrestlers. He’s best known for a 2000 win over Tom Erikson, a 300-pounder with better amateur credentials than Lesnar, who had never lost up to that point. But Erikson was 36 and had never focused 100 percent on the sport the way Lesnar has. Herring also beat Mark Kerr, a former NCAA champion, in 2001 when beating Kerr, an early MMA star, still meant something. Against the top wrestlers, both opponents come out strong with takedowns.

But in both cases, they started getting tired. In each case, Herring caught them with knees as they shot in, and quickly finished them.But in Herring’s UFC debut on January 25, 2007, that never happened and Jake O’Brien outwrestled him for three rounds to earn a decision win. O’Brien, while a good college wrestler, isn’t nearly as big, as strong, or the level of wrestler as Lesnar.Herring (28-13), is known for being difficult to finish; he went the distance twice with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in their three meetings, after being submitted the first time. But he was beaten by his most famous opponents in Japan, by Cro Cop from strikes on the ground, and by Fedor Emelianenko due to blood.

[Capt.Caveman]

here's a good site for fight vids. ufc, k1, dream, elite and some old shit too.

http://www.kfight.net/

[Capt.Caveman]

Report: Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon agree to Oct. 11 Affliction bout


Former International Fight League stand-out Chris Horodecki (12-1) has agreed to make his Affliction debut against one-time UFC fighter Dan Lauzon (10-2) at the organization's Oct. 11 event.

The news comes from Sherdog.com, which reports both fighters have agreed to the bout.

"Affliction: Day of Reckoning," which features a headline bout of Andrei Arlovski vs. Josh Barnett, takes place at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas and airs on pay per view.

As MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) previously reported, Horodecki was recently announced as another marquee signing for the rookie Affliction organization. Horodecki, a 20-year-old MMA prodigy, was one of the IFL's most recognizable stars before the organization recently halted operations.

The Canadian fighter will now meet Lauzon, a fellow 20-year-old who -- at the ripe age of 18 years, six months and 16 days old -- became the youngest fighter ever to compete in the UFC. Lauzon suffered a first-round TKO to Spencer Fisher at UFC 64 -- and a subsequent submission defeat to Deividas Taurosevicius -- but he's posted six consecutive stoppage victories since then.

It's unclear of the Horodecki-Lauzon fight will appear on the night's HDNet-televised preliminary card or the PPV main card.

[nitron]

i remember the 'good old days' when Horodecki was undefeated. i scoffed when the IFL media machine was hyping him up with big expectations

[Capt.Caveman]

i remember the 'good old days' when Horodecki was undefeated. i scoffed when the IFL media machine was hyping him up with big expectations

I think Chris is a talented kid. He's still real young, he has some fights under his belt he needs to step it up. D-Lau should win this one, He's also a tough kid.

[Cromwell]

Report: Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon agree to Oct. 11 Affliction bout



I'll defintely check that one out. D-Lau looked good in his Tapout Episode.


Horodecki, a 20-year-old MMA prodigy, was one of the IFL's most recognizable stars before the organization recently halted operations.


So - how many MMA organizations are left now? UFC, Affliction, Elite XC . . . any others?



It's unclear of the Horodecki-Lauzon fight will appear on the night's HDNet-televised preliminary card or the PPV main card.

Then - how the hell are we supposed to see it?

[Gotti420]

So - how many MMA organizations are left now? UFC, Affliction, Elite XC . . . any others?

Those 3 plus Strikeforce and DREAM are the only ones left with any top fighters

[Cromwell]

Those 3 plus Strikeforce and DREAM are the only ones left with any top fighters

k - cool.

When's the next live fight?

Anybody watching the new Tapout season or Contender Muay Thai? Good stuff. :)

[JMCC]

Matt Serra: "I want to retire Hughes"

It was well past 10 p.m. in Huntington, N.Y., when Matt Serra closed and locked the doors to the Serra Jiu-Jitsu Academy, a joint venture owned and operated with his brother and fellow JJ black belt, Nick.

He said hello to a Suffolk County police officer patrolling the lot, climbed into his vehicle, fitted and adjusted the obligatory headset, and drove southwest to his Massapequa home.

Yeah, it was late, but Serra was wired enough you’d think he downed 10 tall ones from Starbucks. When you have as much going on as him, your world is nonstop 25/8, too.

Matt and Nick run two schools, the other in East Meadow, N.Y., and have grand plans to open a third. Matt hasn’t spent much time on the mat following his April 19 TKO loss to Georges St. Pierre, a rematch of when his first-round victory shocked everyone associated with the UFC and beyond. He left that second bout with St. Pierre not with the welterweight title he took from the celebrated French Canadian a year earlier, but an injury to the ulnar nerve in his right elbow.

While the injury healed, Serra focused on grooming his student body to be champions and is working on a new agreement for what he called a lengthy contract with the UFC. Out of the gym, Serra’s goals are bigger. His wife, Ann, is three months pregnant. Last month, he traveled to Minneapolis for UFC 87 and signed autographs at the Mall of America. Nobody asked him about his schools, his contract, hometown hero Brock Lesnar or even fatherhood. The public cared about one thing, as does Serra: when will Matt Serra vs. Matt Hughes become a reality?

Fate interfered with a prior date at UFC 79 when Serra suffered a herniated disc in his lower back while demonstrating a move to a student. Talks are moving to finalize a bout for early next year, which would provide enough time for Serra’s elbow to fully heal, and for Hughes to overcome a partially torn PCL and a completely torn MCL in his left knee, which he suffered in his most recent fight, a TKO loss to Thiago Alves.

Serra winning the welterweight title was a dream. Fighting Hughes is his destiny. If he beats Hughes, the two will forge into one.

“Everybody wants this fight to happen, from the fans to the organization to myself to Matt Hughes to Matt Hughes’ wife,” Serra told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). “I truly believe in my heart this is going down. When it does, this will be a great fight. I’m putting my heart and soul into training to fight this guy. People love rivalries, especially if it’s legit.”

You know their history. Incensed with Hughes’ proclivity to annoy beyond the point of good-natured ribbing, Serra’s dislike for his opposing coach during “The Ultimate Fighter 6” simmered past 212 degrees and created a score that had to be settled in one place, the octagon. Serra’s words accelerated to five miles a minute over the mere prospect of this fight, a Renzo Gracie-trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu expert with underrated striking ability against a nine-time welterweight champion and future UFC hall of famer.

Those words weren’t minced either. Forget strength vs. strength. Ignore the tale of the tape. There’s not just heat; there’s unmitigated hatred.

“You’re going to pay me to fight this jerk? Are you kidding me?” said Serra, voice rising. “You’re paying me this amount of money to punch this guy in the face?”

Look at it this way: If you’re a Yankees fan, you hate the Red Sox, and vice versa. Nobody sits on the fence with Serra vs. Hughes. If you love Serra, you hate Hughes, and vice versa. You’re not pulling for both in a fight neither can afford to lose. Hughes (41-7) is off two straight losses, turns 35 in October and said after the Alves fight, he has one more in him, and that’s against Serra.

Serra, 34, is only 9-5, but that’s deceiving. He went the distance in losses to B.J. Penn, Karo Parisyan and Din Thomas (split), and he was just nine seconds from a decision with Shonie Carter before he was KO’d with a spinning back fist. He needed a split-decision win over Chris Lytle to win “The Ultimate Fighter 4: The Comeback” that earned Serra the Rocky Balboa-like title shot against GSP. That adversity gained through strength made him a cult hero.

It’s easy to dismiss Serra’s first win over GSP as a fluke, easier to forget that he knocked down Parisyan at UFC 53. Yet, he’s the likely underdog versus Hughes not because he’s Matt Serra, but because his opponent is Matt Hughes. And the last thing Hughes wants is to end his career with three straight defeats, the last to someone with whom he shares a hate-hate relationship.

“I love being the underdog,” Serra said. “I fit that role real nicely. I don’t need any extra motivation for this fight. I genuinely do not like him, and I know feels the same about me.

“I’m expecting a very dangerous Matt Hughes who wants to go out on a high note. I’m not going to let him.”

It’s a fight Serra knows he cannot lose. It’s a vendetta that’s too damn important, and time will tell if Serra’s skill set perfectly matches his dedication and desire. Then again, Serra KO’s conventional wisdom when he shocked St. Pierre, pounding the champion’s ribs and midsection before finishing him with crushing combinations to the head. And believe it or not, Serra, the first American to be awarded a black belt under Gracie’s tutelage, says his jiu-jitsu has yet to reach its peak.

“I think I’m a bad matchup for Matt Hughes,” Serra said. “I think he’s a one-trick pony, and he’s not good at that one trick. If people think that he’s putting me to the mat like GSP did, he’s not one-third as explosive as GSP. He’s not putting me down like that. If he does, I have way better jiu-jitsu than I’ve shown in my last fight. There’s so much stuff, and I want to show that if he does put me down.”

Fighting so consumes Serra’s life that it’s the only thing he’s known and still does.

“Tell me who won the last Super Bowl and I have no idea,” Serra admitted shortly before the native Long Islander was reminded that the Giants pulled a Serra-GSP-like upset in Super Bowl XLII.

Even if Serra defeats Hughes and makes his point, there are no plans on riding off into the sunset. His allure to fight is that strong. It’s mightier than creating the next champion, equally hip with becoming an action figure (“I’m going to be a freakin’ action figure. That’s going to be the coolest thing in the world,” Serra said). And almost as powerful as becoming a first-time father.

“Whenever it gets to the point where it’s not fun for me and I’m not enjoying it, then maybe I’ll think about retiring,” Serra said. “As long as there are fights that excite me, I’ll be fighting, man.”

Forgive Serra if he has tunnel vision. There’s a blood feud that must be completed, and should he be successful, he won’t just defeat Hughes. He’ll crush him mentally and spiritually, and for Serra it’ll be worth more than welterweight gold.

“The only thing I want to retire is Matt Hughes,” Serra said. “I plan on retiring him.”

Well, we don't always get what we want Serra.

I hope Hughes beats him so bad, subs him with an armbar and embarrasses him by beating him at his own game.

[Capt.Caveman]

Frank Trigg a pro wrestler?!?!?

In a Mixed Martial Arts match, it was Frank Trigg defeating "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles in controversial fashion after Styles hit an accidental low blow on Trigg! After the bout, Styles brought a kendo stick into the ring and pummeled Trigg with it!

from TnA's website

http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/blogcategory/1/84/

[Capt.Caveman]

more on trigg........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcr50I6MwII

[Capt.Caveman]

more.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T30oLygc8Bo

[Cromwell]

Ha, ha @ Frank Trigg.

Ah, well - whaddya gonna do. He's done as a competitive fighter - he's too much of a clown to run a serious school. He's probably getting squeezed on the broadcasting end of this (as the newly retired fighters with better careers will no doubt push him out) - so - he's going for some easy money as a "wrestling" villian.

Hey - I guess he figures if a legit guy like Kurt Angle can do it - he can too.

Funny that Brock Lesnar went in the the other direction - and wants to be taken seriously as a legitimate fighter.

I don't need to tell you who I respect more.



I hope Hughes beats him so bad, subs him with an armbar and embarrasses him by beating him at his own game.

Though I'd like to see that as well, my hatred of Serra has subsided. These two guys are just natural rivals. This match is defintely going to happen though. I wonder when and I wonder how high up on the card it will be.

Here's the latest from Matt Hughes' website:


Last Saturday, I went to Charleston, IL and EIU (Eastern Illinois University) inducted me into their Hall of Fame (I think it was a process of elimination, they just didn’t have anyone else). There was a great showing there by the other wrestlers on my team, as we had probably 30 wrestlers there. I had a great time, I showed up to Charleston an hour and a half early and drove around and looked at where I’d lived and talked to a few friends of mine that still live there and just saw how much the place has changed.

After the awards banquet, went out to Ralph’s house and just socialized. There were guys there that I haven’t talked to since they left college back in 1998. They also honored me at the football game that night, then after that we went out on the town.


http://www.matt-hughes.com/images/EIUHOF08/IMG_3444sm.jpg

[Capt.Caveman]

just watched Gegard Mousasi Vs. Ronaldo Jacare Souza from Dream.6....

Upkick ko nice

http://www.kfight.net/MMA-Videos/Gegard-Mousasi-Vs-Ronaldo-Jacare-Souza-Dream6-fight-Video

[Capt.Caveman]

Ralek Gracie is the latest in the Gracie clan to come into mma....He has his uncle Royce's striking skills....he really should go train with cousin Renzo...very good on the ground though

http://www.kfight.net/MMA-Videos/Ralek-Gracie-vs-Alavutdin-Gadzhiyev-DREAM-4-fight-Video

[Capt.Caveman]

monson calls out kimbo makes a racially insensitive comment (that's fuckin hilarious)


http://www.kfight.net/Other/Jeff-Monson-Calls-Out-Kimbo-Slice

[burky79]

monson calls out kimbo makes a racially insensitive comment (that's fuckin hilarious)


http://www.kfight.net/Other/Jeff-Monson-Calls-Out-Kimbo-Slice
x2
:clap::haha7:

good find.
Monson would destroy Kimbo

[Capt.Caveman]

Krazy Horse gets choked the fuck out by a chute boxe cornerman backstage at a pride show. He as usual talks shit looks good in the beginning the gets choked the fuck out. krazy horse is a piece of shit (word that rhymes with bigger)

http://www.kfight.net/Funny-Stuff/Krazy-Horse-vs-Cristiano-Marcello-Brawl-Video

[Capt.Caveman]

MIDGET MMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1222737138/Best_Sport_Ever:_Dwarf_Cage_Fighting

[JMCC]

Sanchez is out, Koscheck is in

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/sanchez-out-koscheck-to-face-alves-14773

That sucks I was really looking forward to that fight.

[Capt.Caveman]

visited xtreme couture while in vegas. got to see couture, alex shoenour, gray maynard and forrest griffin train. it was a closed practice so i had to look thru the pro shop window like a stalker but I did get to talk to forrest for a second. he walked out of the bathroom and i said after you champ....it's no good luck bro but i still suck a bag of dicks

[supers4972]

visited xtreme couture while in vegas. got to see couture, alex shoenour, gray maynard and forrest griffin train. it was a closed practice so i had to look thru the pro shop window like a stalker but I did get to talk to forrest for a second. he walked out of the bathroom and i said after you champ....it's no good luck bro but i still suck a bag of dicks

Stephan Bonnar was just sparring over at my gym Throwdown RD and Jason McDonald was there a few weeks ago. It's amazing to see the shape these guys are in.

[Cromwell]

Sanchez is out, Koscheck is in

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/sanchez-out-koscheck-to-face-alves-14773

That sucks I was really looking forward to that fight.

Kos is just as good as Sanchez.

No loss in quality of fight there.

visited xtreme couture while in vegas. got to see couture, alex shoenour, gray maynard and forrest griffin train. it was a closed practice so i had to look thru the pro shop window like a stalker but I did get to talk to forrest for a second. he walked out of the bathroom and i said after you champ....it's no good luck bro but i still suck a bag of dicks


Geez - you traveled all the way to Vegas - and all you got to do was press your nose up against the glass?

They should have had an "open" class where you could have least rolled-around a bit.

[pink soccer]

They should have had an "open" class where you could have least rolled-around a bit.

That would be too risky for the fighters. all it would take is one overzealous douche to try to injure someone

[Capt.Caveman]

Geez - you traveled all the way to Vegas - and all you got to do was press your nose up against the glass?

They should have had an "open" class where you could have least rolled-around a bit.

they do but xtreme couture is in the middle of no where. I went to roll at my nephews school (team mica) I think the gym is called xcel. I got tapped by 2 brown belts. The 1st one I hung for 20 min. I gassed and he armbarred me. the 2nd guy got me in a head and arm choke, that one only lasted about 6-8 min. and then class was over. so i left a defeated ass:action-sm good time though. they run alot of cross guard which i haven't done before so i learned a thing or 2 about a thing or 2

[Capt.Caveman]

That would be too risky for the fighters. all it would take is one overzealous douche to try to injure someone

pro practice is closed to the public. but there's a window in the pro shop for stalker douches such as myself

[Cromwell]

so i learned a thing or 2 about a thing or 2


Which is the most important thing. :)

Sounds like a good time :icon_wink

[Capt.Caveman]

Which is the most important thing. :)

Sounds like a good time :icon_wink

it was. gotta get my nose corterized again. a guy went for a rnc and caught me across the bridge of the nose and just kept cranking

[Capt.Caveman]

Pat Miletich returns at Dec. 11 Adrenaline MMA to fight Thomas Denny
by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Nov 01, 2008 at 1:31 pm ET
Adrenaline MMA CEO Monte Cox is bringing in a big gun to help his upstart promotion gain some traction.

Cox, who also represents many of the sport's top fighters, held the first Adrenaline MMA event earlier this year in front of a sparse crowd, and a second show scheduled for September (then October) was eventually postponed for a variety of reasons.

But as Ron Kruck reported on the most recent edition of HDNet's "Inside MMA," the second Adrenaline MMA show will take place Dec. 11 with MMA trailblazer Pat Miletich (28-7-2) and King of the Cage and EliteXC veteran Thomas Denny (26-17) headlining the event.

The show takes place Dec. 11 at the i wireless Center in Moline, Ill., and airs live on HDNet.

Miletich, a legendary trainer and former UFC welterweight champion, returns from his two-year layoff from professional competition. He last competed in September 2006 at an IFL event, where he suffered a first-round submission loss to Renzo Gracie. That fight came after a four-and-a-half-year layoff from 2002 to 2006. The Denny fight will be just his second in nearly six years.

Miletich, who's since devoted most of his time to the Miletich Fighting Systems team in Iowa, meets Denny, a popular California-based fighter and former KOTC champ who last fought in July and suffered a second-round TKO to Nick Diaz in a CBS-televised bout.

Denny, 37, is only three years younger than 40-year-old MIletich.

According Kruck, Cox-managed fighters Ben Rothwell (29-6) and Ryan McGivern (12-6) are also scheduled for the event, though no opponents have been revealed.

In our latest edition of "Fight Biz," Cox discussed Adrenaline MMA's recent postponement and told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that he was simply shoring up funding before he confirmed his next event date.

"We want to do two or three Adrenaline shows a year," he said. "Our funding has been kind of delayed because of all the stuff that's going on (with the economy). We've been assured (that) we're all set, but until I get the funding, I’m just not ready to do anything."

Apparently, that funding came through.

For the latest on Adrenaline MMA II, check out the MMA Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

should actually be a good fight. militech is a legend and denny is a pretty tough dude

[Cromwell]

it was. gotta get my nose corterized again. a guy went for a rnc and caught me across the bridge of the nose and just kept cranking

There goes your modeling career, Mr. Zoolander :rolleyes::p



should actually be a good fight. militech is a legend and denny is a pretty tough dude

I've always like Pat Militech as a coach. I saw that loss to Renzo Gracie. Two legends battle. Renzo just got him in a overhead lock and wouldn't let go. I respect and admire both guys.

Denny got TKO'd by Diaz - who is much younger. Sounds like the matchup with Militech is more even - but I will definitely be rooting for the the man from Iowa. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

There goes your modeling career, Mr. Zoolander :rolleyes::p



Hey I'm a stand in for gieco commercials

[Capt.Caveman]

Affliction Entertainment on Thursday announced that Renato "Babalu" Sobral will face Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou at the promotion's "Day of Reckoning" event on Jan. 24 in Anaheim, Calif

[Capt.Caveman]

Cro cop vs freak show

http://www.kfight.net/MMA-Videos/Hong-Man-Choi-vs-Mirko-Cro-Cop-Filipovic-Video-K-1-Dynamite-2008

[Papagolash]

I dont understand, why did the knee kick end the fight?

[Cromwell]

I dont understand, why did the knee kick end the fight?

Yeah, I don't get it either. Are those K-1 rules? Once you are put down by a kick - it's over? Gotta say - it was a really boring fight. Kickboxing alone is boring. Regular boxing alone is boring. Its the combination of MMA that makes the fighting so exciting.


I've always like Pat Militech as a coach. I saw that loss to Renzo Gracie. Two legends battle. Renzo just got him in a overhead lock and wouldn't let go. I respect and admire both guys.

Denny got TKO'd by Diaz - who is much younger. Sounds like the matchup with Militech is more even - but I will definitely be rooting for the the man from Iowa. :icon_cool

Pat knocked Thomas out in the second round :icon_cool

Hey Caveman, Palerider, and anybody else that likes to train (or just read about what goes into extensive training) - you gotta read this guys blog:

http://www.newbreedfighters.tv/fighters/ChrisWing.php

This guy from Jersey went out to Matt Hughes training facility and immersed himself in it all for 2 weeks. What a great account of it all. Really impressive.

:icon_cool

[highfive]

Hey Caveman, Palerider, and anybody else that likes to train (or just read about what goes into extensive training) - you gotta read this guys blog:

http://www.newbreedfighters.tv/fighters/ChrisWing.php

This guy from Jersey went out to Matt Hughes training facility and immersed himself in it all for 2 weeks. What a great account of it all. Really impressive.

:icon_cool Great read.

[dolphin cunt]

Yeah, I don't get it either. Are those K-1 rules? Once you are put down by a kick - it's over? Gotta say - it was a really boring fight. Kickboxing alone is boring. Regular boxing alone is boring. Its the combination of MMA that makes the fighting so exciting.

I could be wrong here since I don't speak gook but I believe the fight was fought under MMA rules the leg kick droped the freak show and CroCop could have jumped on him and threw a few hammer fists for good measure but I'm sure the ref knew where it was going. Sort of Similar to the Bas Rutten vs. Ruben Vilareal fight that happend in the WFA about 2 years ago the same card that Matt Lindland fought Rampage. Unfortunately I didn't see the Cro Cop vs freak show fight live, I can only assume.

[Cromwell]

Great read.

I though so too.

Just goes to show that guys like Hughes, Lawlor and Fiore are good guys (and not the "jerks" Serra tried to paint them as).

As for the specifics of that training - I wonder what it is exactly - that the personal (strength) trainer puts these guys through - in those guaranteed-to-make-you-stronger-after-one-session -- that are so intense it leaves you lying in a fetal position :D




I believe the fight was fought under MMA rules the leg kick droped the freak show and CroCop could have jumped on him and threw a few hammer fists for good measure but I'm sure the ref knew where it was going.

Ah, I see. So, you're saying the ref just stopped it there.

Hey - check this out starting tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/a-StPierre-Penn1-14-09.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/b-StPierre-Penn1-14-09.jpg

Looks interesting. :icon_cool

[JMCC]

White to grant Machida a title shot if he wins

UFC President is ready to make highly rated light heavyweight, Lyoto Machida a title shot if he is successful against Thiago Silva at UFC 94 in nine days time.

Speaking on The Tom Leykis Show, White said:

“If Lyoto wins, he gets the title shot, if Thiago (wins), he’s a win away from the title shot. Definitely some things to look forward too.”

Evans was offered his first title defence at UFC 96 this March against Quinton “Rampage” Jackson, but declined saying he wouldn’t be ready in time. Jackson is now set to face Evans friend and training partner, Keith Jardine.

“Most people don’t care about this fight, but it’s a ****** good fight. I don’t make these kind of fights for nothing. The build-up will be good, watch.”

If he gets past Jardine, it would be hard to argue against Jackson being installed as the number one contender, especially considering his devastating knockout of Wanderlei Silva in December.

That said, Dana has spoken and there is always something to it. I’m not sure how entertaining a fight would be between Evans and Machida, with both men having a counter punching style. Only time will tell, but look for Jackson to be the wildcard in this equation

[nitron]

I wonder who Dana wants to win in the Thiago-Machida fight.

[Eagle.007]

This has been said many times, but what the fuck is the UFC doing? They are currently airing an episode of Unleashed where GSP an BJ both lose! GSP/Serra 1 and BJ/Hughes 2. This is fucking stupid.

Machida deserves that title shot.

[Cromwell]

This has been said many times, but what the fuck is the UFC doing? They are currently airing an episode of Unleashed where GSP an BJ both lose! GSP/Serra 1 and BJ/Hughes 2. This is fucking stupid.

I don't think it's stupid at all.

Those fights happened. It shows exactly how real MMA is.

They've also been showing the fights where St. Pierre beat Hughes - repeatedly over the last 2 weeks.

So, I don't see this as any kind of problem.

Also, they show part 3 of the Penn-St. Pierre build-up feature on Spike tonight.

It's all good. :icon_cool

[Captain_Spaulding]

Jardine v. Jackson should be good. My money is on Rampage but not by much...Jardine is a tough fucker.

Isn't Machida the "runner"?

[Cromwell]

Jardine v. Jackson should be good. My money is on Rampage but not by much...Jardine is a tough fucker.



That he is.

And Greg Jackson trained.

That camp produces one "upset" after another.

Jackson wins by knockouts - if he doesn't catch Jardine - I think Keith wins. :icon_cool

[Hudson]

I was watching a few matches the other night on Spike..Mom came in and starts to cry...she thought it was gay S&M porn.

[Captain_Spaulding]

I was watching a few matches the other night on Spike..Mom came in and starts to cry...she thought it was gay S&M porn.

Did she?
:icon_eek:

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC Cuts Rich Clementi

UFC cuts lightweight competitor Rich Clementi
February 9, 2009 by Sam Caplan
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With over 50 lightweight competitors under contract, UFC veteran Rich Clementi’s strong track record was not enough to survive a two fight losing streak in the Octagon.

FiveOuncesOfPain.com was informed by a source Monday afternoon that Clementi was dropped from the UFC roster shortly after Saturday’s first round submission loss against Gleison Tibau during UFC Fight Night 17.

The defeat was Clementi’s second in a row after having also dropped a unanimous decision to Gray Maynard at UFC 90 this past October.

Prior to the consecutive defeats, the Louisiana native had won five consecutive fights with four wins coming while competing under the UFC banner against Anthony Johnson, Melvin Guillard, Sam Stout and Terry Etim.

The release completes Clementi’s third stint in the UFC. His first tour of duty with the promotion ended at UFC 41 in 2003 following a third round submission loss to Yves Edwards. He then made a successful return to the UFC after having been featured during the fourth season of The Ultimate Fighter, which was subtitled “The Comeback.”

Despite losing to Din Thomas via second round submission during the TUF 4 finale, Clementi was brought back for UFC Fight Night 8 in January of 2007, where he submitted Ross Pointon in a welterweight matchup. However, he was not resigned after losing a unanimous decision to Roan Carneiro at UFC Fight Night 9.

After recording a win outside of the UFC, Clementi returned to the promotion at UFC 76 in September of 2007, where he recorded a upset second round submission against Johnson.

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/09/ufc-cuts-lightweight-competitor-rich-clementi/

[Captain_Spaulding]

UFC Cuts Rich Clementi



http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/09/ufc-cuts-lightweight-competitor-rich-clementi/

I will make a note of the occurrence of this non event.

[nitron]

i will hold out hope for a Junie/Leben cut

[Capt.Caveman]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=news.detail&gid=149590&title=MixedMartialArtscom-2008-Awards-Results

2008 awards

[Cromwell]

That's good, Caveman :)

After 11,266 votes were cast, we are proud to announce the 2008 Best of winners!

2008 FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Anderson Silva

(no surprise there)

2008 FEMALE FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
WINNER: GINA CARANO

(no surprise there)

2008 MMA MAN OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Dana White

(ass suck)

2008 FIGHT OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Miguel Torres vs. Yoshihiro Maeda – WEC 34

2008 PROMOTION OF THE YEAR
WINNER: UFC®

2008 MMA SHOW OF THE YEAR
WINNER: UFC® 92: The Ultimate 2008

2008 SUBMISSION OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Dustin Hazelett vs Josh Burkman, Armbar, The Ultimate Fighter 7 Finale

2008 KNOCKOUT OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Rashad Evans v Chuck Liddell, UFC® 88

(sadly)

2008 UPSET OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Frank Mir vs Antonio "Minotauro" Noguiera, UFC® 92

(totally. and that's why they have the fights)

2008 TRAINER OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Greg Jackson

(May take a hit for all these "greasing" rumors)

2008 MMA TEAM OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Jackson's MMA

(see above. Also, I would present Amercian Top Team as possibly better)

2008 BEST REFEREE OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Yves Lavigne

(by default - since all the others left)

2008 QUOTE OF THE YEAR
WINNER: "Tim, hows taste my big peepee?” –Andrei Arlovski

(Lol! :icon_mrgr)

2008 BOOK OF THE YEAR
WINNER: A Fighters Heart (paperback), by Sam Sheridan

(anybody read this? Is it good?)

2008 MAGAZINE OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Fight! Magazine

2008 TV SHOW OF THE YEAR
WINNER: The Ultimate Fighter on Spike

2008 MMA NEWS SITE OF THE YEAR
WINNER: MMAWeekly

2008 RADIO SHOW OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Tapout Radio

2008 MOVIE OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Fist Foot Way

2008 UGER OF THE YEAR
WINNER: Crooklyn


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Not bad.