Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[Cromwell]

Im sorry Cromwell. but dumb friend picked me up early to go watch it. were you able to get the links? tvu always has the mma channel, sopcast needs specific addresses from that forum

Yeah, I did, thanks. tvu came though big time. Who's that "blue" fellow over there? He does a good job. :icon_wink


I never thought Id see matt hughes manhandled the way he was tonight.


Me either. GSP is just a superior fighter all around. Physically the guy is a friggin beast. He could probably beat a lot of 185 lbers.



and wanderlei was more shot than I suspected. his legs were shaky and hands slow from the start. nice fight and win for liddell though.


Agreed. I wasn't impressed with Wandy at all. Again - another "roid enhanced Pride guy" who when you take that away, is not the same ferocious creature he once was (like Cro-cop).

I actually felt a little bad for Sliva (though I was clearly rooting for Chuck). All that "snorkle training" and "ice baths" - that we saw on the All-Access - for what? He couldn't penetrate Lidell's defenses.


but I think Machida would easily handle him, and I hate to say it, it wont surprise me if he handles Rampage as well. he is damn good


Was sooo impressed with him. Great to have him in the UFC.


one more thing on wanderlei- and this goes for boxers and mma fighters alike. that move up to Heavy Weight is not to be done unless you plan on retiring when/if you lose there. especially for old fighters, young fighters can get away with it I guess. but old ones can not do it, and then move back down to lhw or cruiserweight. same shit happened to roy jones. you cant move back down afterwards, it takes too much out the fighter

Could be. I just thought he couldn't get anything through to Chuck. Lidell had a great strategy this time. Using the takedowns shows he's got more in his arsenal than just a right hand knockout.



st pierre was great out wrestled matt hughes that's ridiculous.


GSP is just a superior physical specimen. His balance is unbelievable. Hughes was trying to take him down - had him in his grip a few times - and then Georges just leans forward and trips Hughes to the mat.




looking foward to st pierre vs fitch

After GSP disposes of Serra - that will be an exciting match to see.

[mik3]

I don't think liddell did THAT good. He still got hit by a lot of shots, Wandy was just not getting everything in to them. He also got knocked down twice. The fact two judges gave Liddell the second shows why you need to knock people out in the UFC.

[mendozathejew]

Agreed. I wasn't impressed with Wandy at all. Again - another "roid enhanced Pride guy" who when you take that away, is not the same ferocious creature he once was (like Cro-cop).

well we already know more than a few UFC fighters take roids as well. including big names

wandy was a shell of himself. he was a shell of himself in the hendo fight as well. the move up to HW, and the beating Cro Cop put on him took alot out of him. he fought well, chuck admitted he was hurt a few times, but wandy was on weary legs from the start. a much older fighter than his age would reveal. hes been through so many wars, with a fighting style that is so balls to the wall and vulnerable.

[mendozathejew]

I don't think liddell did THAT good. He still got hit by a lot of shots, Wandy was just not getting everything in to them. He also got knocked down twice. The fact two judges gave Liddell the second shows why you need to knock people out in the UFC.

hes very vulnerable imo. I think If Keith Jardine fought Wanderlei last night Jardine would have looked like a prime ernesto hoost in his destruction of wanderlei. silva is that shot

[mik3]

The beating Henderson gave him I thought had more to do with it being Henderson, not Wandy being done. I guess I was wrong.

[mik3]

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[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow, Hughes got pwned. Serra better hope his disc problems are resolved or it's over. :icon_eek:

[mendozathejew]

and machida's left straight/leg sweep combo on soko
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how smart is this guy? as small as he is, hes a serious threat to rampage, let alone whatever contender they throw at him next. no way dana puts him against liddell for the #1 contender

[Capt.Caveman]

i think a lot of tou are underestimating silva. the guy is only 31 yo, he's not even close to done. chuck fought a good fight...of course he got hit he was fighting silva. and as far as getting knocked down , he got up too. he had 2 bad fights and he came back strong in this one. silva is no chump. i'd like to see a rematch with these 2 and lidell jardine 2.

[mendozathejew]

i think a lot of tou are underestimating silva. the guy is only 31 yo, he's not even close to done. chuck fought a good fight...of course he got hit he was fighting silva. and as far as getting knocked down , he got up too. he had 2 bad fights and he came back strong in this one. silva is no chump. i'd like to see a rematch with these 2 and lidell jardine 2.

mileage and age is often not measured by years in this sport. wand is far older than his 31 years suggest. one of my favorite boxers fernarndo vargas just retired at 29, a completely shot fighter. wand isnt as far gone, but pretty close. it was written all over his actions before he was even punched. the man has been fighting for so long, been through so many brutal fights.

[Palerider4146]

So I was checking out that fanlist that Croms put up. Under the Sub of the Year category the had not one, but TWO candidates for sub of the year by Brad Imes (remember him???) and off all things it was for two GogoPlatas that he used in matces in Sept and Oct. I would never of thought of him as a BJJ expert. Looks like someone is using those long ass legs and got himself some good BJJ training. A gogoplata isnt something youd expect from a HW. So he is 5-0 in his last 5 fights (granted not against elite competition) but with that record and two nice sub wins like that, how soon before we see him back in the UFC?

[mik3]

Someone else at sherdog made this, it's the sorta famous shot of Hughes and Sherk after Serra beat GSP, and of course Saturday.

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[Palerider4146]

So what exactly was Hughes screaming. It almost looked like he said "stop, stop, help me!" Looks like he didnt tap because he was holding on to GSPs leg for dear life to avoid his arm getting snapped. I wonder if he had any damage done.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Guess once you stop juicing the magic is gone...

[mik3]

So what exactly was Hughes screaming. It almost looked like he said "stop, stop, help me!" Looks like he didnt tap because he was holding on to GSPs leg for dear life to avoid his arm getting snapped. I wonder if he had any damage done.
Maybe Sherk was ringside and he was screaming I LOVE THIS.

[Chino Kapone]

GSP is a tank. If he fights like that in his rematch against Serra, he is going to pwn him.

[mendozathejew]

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Fedors first fight in M1 last night against K1 kickboxer hong ma choi

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[d0uche_n0zzle]

How freaking tall and how much does that Asian gentleman weigh?

[Capt.Caveman]

How freaking tall and how much does that Asian gentleman weigh?

7'2" 360 lbs.....Armbarred in 1:54

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Wow. Fedor took quite a few shots and still pwned that giant.

[Cromwell]

Wow, Hughes got pwned. Serra better hope his disc problems are resolved or it's over. :icon_eek:

His disc could be 100% - he's going to get destroyed by GSP.

and machida's left straight/leg sweep combo on soko
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how smart is this guy? as small as he is, hes a serious threat to rampage, let alone whatever contender they throw at him next. no way dana puts him against liddell for the #1 contender


That's a great clip. You're right that Dana will probaby put him against some of the other "contenders" first. How about Rashad?

So I was checking out that fanlist that Croms put up. Under the Sub of the Year category the had not one, but TWO candidates for sub of the year by Brad Imes (remember him???) and off all things it was for two GogoPlatas that he used in matces in Sept and Oct. I would never of thought of him as a BJJ expert. Looks like someone is using those long ass legs and got himself some good BJJ training. A gogoplata isnt something youd expect from a HW. So he is 5-0 in his last 5 fights (granted not against elite competition) but with that record and two nice sub wins like that, how soon before we see him back in the UFC?

Good observations, Pale. You are truly a student of ju jitsu :icon_wink




GSP is a tank. If he fights like that in his rematch against Serra, he is going to pwn him.


He'll destroy him. Can we all agree here and now that Matt Serra is one of the luckiest guys on the face of the earth? True he made the most of his opportunities - but can we end this charade already? He had no business being "the welterweight champion" - and certainly not to hold the title for as long as he did. Dana needs to stop setting his title fights up just to promote his tv shows. Now the light-heavyweight title is going to be held up for just as long. Lidell says he wants his title back? He's got a long wait before he gets his chance.


Big Thanks for that Fedor clip, 'doza.

That guy he fought was so friggin big. After the first time Fedor was on his back (cause the big tool just flopped on him) - really no problem for Fedor. Yeah, he had to eat a few shots to the face (which did leave bruises) - but he was setting up that armbar the whole time. Almost had it the first time - caught the big dummy - who I guess is just used to overpowering his opponents with his size - so - why bother to learn any techniques? The second time Fedor sunk that armbar, there was no mistaking it.

Technique over superior size this time round.

Dana needs to let Randy fight Fedor.

[mik3]

When HMC pretty much swung Fedor off of him with one arm during the first armbar attempt I had to laugh.

Fedor looked in terrible shape but conditioning didn't come into play.

[Suicidebree]

He'll destroy him. Can we all agree here and now that Matt Serra is one of the luckiest guys on the face of the earth? True he made the most of his opportunities - but can we end this charade already? He had no business being "the welterweight champion" - and certainly not to hold the title for as long as he did. Dana needs to stop setting his title fights up just to promote his tv shows. Now the light-heavyweight title is going to be held up for just as long. Lidell says he wants his title back? He's got a long wait before he gets his chance.


GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt. If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane. Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either. Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

[mik3]

GSP will still probably rock him though. GSP will be smart enough to keep it on their feet longer and just go to the ground when he wants it this time.

[Chino Kapone]

GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt. If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane. Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either. Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

Serra looked amazing in their first fight, but GSP looked nothing like he did on saturday night. Once Serra and GSP meet again, I think that we are in for an amazing fight. But i would have to put my money on GSP.

[Suicidebree]

Serra looked amazing in their first fight, but GSP looked nothing like he did on saturday night. Once Serra and GSP meet again, I think that we are in for an amazing fight. But i would have to put my money on GSP.

Oh I never said Serra was going to win. I think Serra's good but I aint retarted. Cromwell just made it sound like he didnt belong in the same ring.

[Cromwell]

GSP looked amazing, but I dont think you're giving Serra the credit he deserves. His standup is much improved. I think being on TUF he learned more than anyone and used it to his advantage. Training with Luongo also didnt hurt.


Well, I don't know if goalie Roberto Luongo helped Serra or not - but stand-up specialist Ray Longo certainly did :icon_mrgr



If you think GSP is going to get Serra on his back and dominate like that you're insane.


I am? What makes you say that? If GSP is that much physically superior to Hughes - he'll be able to flatten Serra anytime he wants to. If they tie up - GSP hips are so good - he'll just do the same lean forward, trip him down the same way he did at will with Hughes.


Hughes is used to be the best wrestler and the strongest guy in the ring. With GSP he wasnt either.


Exactly. That was Hughes' game to a T. And he pretty much dominated with those two elements. GSP is at a whole new level now. I suspect that Fitch could be there as well. *That's* the real fight people want to see now. Not Matt Serra. Who isn't even really a true welterweight. He's something inbeteen the 155 and 170 weight class.


Serra may not be a world class wrestler but his BJJ is as good as it gets.

GSP will be able to grab his arm and bend it back the exact same way he did to a stronger man in Hughes.


Oh I never said Serra was going to win. I think Serra's good but I aint retarted. Cromwell just made it sound like he didnt belong in the same ring.

Serra barely beat Chris Lytle. Got the benefit of an extremely close split decision. He was knocked unconscious by Shone Carter. He was beaten by Karo Parisyan and Din Thomas of all people. He is a journeyman who lucked out with his title shot due to his participation on Dana White's reality show.

Some day we are going to learn just what it was exactly that was wrong with GSP on the day of his fight with Serra. That was not the same fighter we saw in pretty much every other GSP match. Certainly not the fighter that beat Hughes twice, beat Koschek and came back to win a war with BJ Penn.

[Suicidebree]

Well, I don't know if goalie Roberto Luongo helped Serra or not - but stand-up specialist Ray Longo certainly did :icon_mrgr
Damn it that hurt my argument off the bat.


I am? What makes you say that? If GSP is that much physically superior to Hughes - he'll be able to flatten Serra anytime he wants to. If they tie up - GSP hips are so good - he'll just do the same lean forward, trip him down the same way he did at will with Hughes.

GSP will be able to grab his arm and bend it back the exact same way he did to a stronger man in Hughes.
The guy who is physically superior doesn't always win. Look at Fedor's last fight. That guy clearly had Fedor worried in the fight, but everyone can get caught. I just don't think its foregone conclusion that GSP wins that quickly. GSP didn't look like himself in the first fight and I think he looked bad against Koscheck if I remember correctly. GSP could get caught in something if they go to the ground. I think Serra's days of knocking GSP out are done though.

Serra barely beat Chris Lytle. Got the benefit of an extremely close split decision. He was knocked unconscious by Shone Carter. He was beaten by Karo Parisyan and Din Thomas of all people. He is a journeyman who lucked out with his title shot due to his participation on Dana White's reality show.

you got some bitter Dana White issues, he literally saved the sport with that show I might add. Don't go on some tangent about oh man the sport was doing fine. Dana saved it period.
AS Far as his losses go. In MMA, everyone loses. That Shone loss might be one of the great knockouts ever. With Lytle he won, a win is a win. With Karo, its fucking Karo. The guy way be the most boring fighter on Earth but he is good if not great at what he does, whatever it is. God i hate him. His loss to Din Thomas... well thats not a great loss to have, but Din Thomas is pretty much the UFC's stepping stone. Any given day he could win against just about anybody. Matt's only other loss was to BJ Penn, who in my non-fighter opinion is the top fighter in the world.
The only thing I agree with you with is that Jon Fitch is coming. I been following this guy for while and damn it he is good. Top tier, GSP, good.

[Capt.Caveman]

Damn it that hurt my argument off the bat.


The guy who is physically superior doesn't always win. Look at Fedor's last fight. That guy clearly had Fedor worried in the fight, but everyone can get caught. I just don't think its foregone conclusion that GSP wins that quickly. GSP didn't look like himself in the first fight and I think he looked bad against Koscheck if I remember correctly. GSP could get caught in something if they go to the ground. I think Serra's days of knocking GSP out are done though.

you got some bitter Dana White issues, he literally saved the sport with that show I might add. Don't go on some tangent about oh man the sport was doing fine. Dana saved it period.
AS Far as his losses go. In MMA, everyone loses. That Shone loss might be one of the great knockouts ever. With Lytle he won, a win is a win. With Karo, its fucking Karo. The guy way be the most boring fighter on Earth but he is good if not great at what he does, whatever it is. God i hate him. His loss to Din Thomas... well thats not a great loss to have, but Din Thomas is pretty much the UFC's stepping stone. Any given day he could win against just about anybody. Matt's only other loss was to BJ Penn, who in my non-fighter opinion is the top fighter in the world.
The only thing I agree with you with is that Jon Fitch is coming. I been following this guy for while and damn it he is good. Top tier, GSP, good.

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!

[Chino Kapone]

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!

:haha7: Fucking funny.....


GSP looks like the Anderson Silva of his class. Silva Needs to drop some weight and take on GSP. Its not like he has any competition @ 185.

[Capt.Caveman]

:haha7: Fucking funny.....


GSP looks like the Anderson Silva of his class. Silva Needs to drop some weight and take on GSP. Its not like he has any competition @ 185.

silvas pretty slim already. 15lbs may be to much

[mendozathejew]

GSP could easily be a middleweight. he cuts a ton of weight. he has fought by fight night in the 190s

[Capt.Caveman]

GSP could easily be a middleweight. he cuts a ton of weight. he has fought by fight night in the 190s

yea that may b the move. in a year or 2 if both are still destroying people. gsp vs fitch and silva hendo are the only real fights i wanna see for the titles well and serra IF he comes back

[mendozathejew]

a year ago, Matt Hughes talked ALOT about fighting Anderson Silva if Franklin couldnt win the rematch. he was really serious about it.

I wonder if Hendo fights a stupid fight, decides to stand and trade with Silva, if Matt takes a shot at middleweight and gets that fight. Because he would fight the smart fight and keep anderson on the ground.

but talk of that has really disappeared since Anderson started rearranging faces. Id bet hes considering it, alot of great boxers end their careers trying to go up in weight for their last shot

[Capt.Caveman]

a year ago, Matt Hughes talked ALOT about fighting Anderson Silva if Franklin couldnt win the rematch. he was really serious about it.

I wonder if Hendo fights a stupid fight, decides to stand and trade with Silva, if Matt takes a shot at middleweight and gets that fight. Because he would fight the smart fight and keep anderson on the ground.

but talk of that has really disappeared since Anderson started rearranging faces. Id bet hes considering it, alot of great boxers end their careers trying to go up in weight for their last shot

I think hendo's gonna try to stand with him.

[Suicidebree]

CROM you ready.......BREE you ready.....LET"S GET IT ON!!!!!!!Haha, I believe he trains so I'll just tap out now. Its a sports thread, we are supposed to argue.
Sign Anderson Silva, GSP or Hendo vs. anyone and I'll pay for it against each other I'll fly to see it.

[Cromwell]

Haha, I believe he trains so I'll just tap out now. Its a sports thread, we are supposed to argue.




Agreed, bree. Its just a bunch of sports fans talking here. :icon_wink


Just to address one of your points above - I don't have any *real* issues with Dana White. Personally, I like the guy. And I certainly give him his due for helping the whole MMA awareness along. My only real beef with him is the way he holds up title fights to accomodate his tv show. Lidell now has a long wait to challenge for his title again. That's not really fair to him. GSP had to wait *waaaaay* too long - and actually - is *still* waiting to get sole possesion of his title back. The word now is that it will probaby happen some time in April in Canada. Anyway, the real "Dana hater" here is mendozathejew :icon_mrgr

Here's something you'll appreciate, bree

A fresh inteview with Joe Lauzon:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1623.html

:icon_cool

[( . Y . )]

Thus ends "The Year of the Upsets", let's see if 2008 will be the same. MMA has always been a 'you never know' kind of sport but last year was more so.

It was a great to see the new years mma events. The trends i've been seeing is whenever there are cross-promotion fights the fighters are already older and somewhat past the prime. With the exception of the pride tournament and chuck entering. I want to see some wec/ufc fighter matches. and one fight i really want to see is possibly Kid Yamamoto vs. Uriah Faber.

also maybe this year they'll get Lauzon on the show.

[Capt.Caveman]

Report: Matt Serra Confirms April Fight with Georges St. Pierre
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 5, 2008 at 5:33 am ET
UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra (9-4 MMA, 6-4 UFC) will, in fact, return from a herniated disc to fight interim champ Georges St. Pierre (15-2 MMA, 9-2 UFC) in April — at Canada’s first-ever UFC event.

On Friday Serra confirmed the fight with out friend Mike Chiappetta of NBCSports.com.

The title-unification bout will headline the upcoming Canadian show, which is tentatively scheduled for April 19 at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) mentioned the possibility of the Serra-St. Pierre title fight on Tuesday, and two days later, Serra told The Canadian Press that he was definitely willing to take the fight and expected to be healed in time for it.

It now appears to be a done deal.

Serra pulled out of last month’s UFC 79 main event with Matt Hughes because of his recent back injury. With Serra sidelined, the UFC instead booked former champ St. Pierre for the fight — and issued the winner the title of “interim” welterweight champion. St. Pierre, who lost his title when he was upset by Serra in April, scored a second-round submission of Hughes and was awarded the recently created interim belt.

Serra recently voiced his displeasure with the UFC’s decision to award an interim title.

As we previously reported, Canadian middleweight Jason MacDonald says he will also be part of the upcoming event. Additionally, fellow Canadian Jonathan Goulet may also be booked for the show, though his management says nothing has been officially decided.

Check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com for the latest news about this and other UFC events.

[Capt.Caveman]

EliteXC Books Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott for Feb. 16 Show
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 4, 2008 at 10:48 am ET
A fight between Internet-brawler-turned-MMA-fighter Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson (1-0) and early UFC fighter David “Tank” Abbott (9-13) will take place after all.

The fight, which was originally booked for October but canceled when event organizers shut down the show, has been picked up by Pro Elite, Inc., which will feature the heavyweight bout as part of its Feb. 16 EliteXC show.

The news comes from ProElite.com blogger Sam Caplan.

The fight, which has been booked for the night’s main event, airs live as part of a Showtime broadcast that kicks off at 10 p.m. ET. The show is expected to take place in Miami, Fla. — possibly at the University of Miami Arena.

Abbott and Slice were originally booked to fight Oct. 12 at a Cage Fury Fighting Championships event. Organizers of the show vehemently denied the numerous rumors of the event’s cancellation — only to officially scratch the event days later.

Many other regional organizations jockeyed for the fight, but Slice instead signed a long-term deal with EliteXC. The 33-year-old fighter made his debut with the organization — and his official professional MMA debut — with a 19-second submission (via punches) of Bo Cantrell in November.

Abbott, one of the sport’s pioneers, began fighting professionally in 1995. The 42-year-old fighter appeared in UFC events from UFC 6 to UFC 45 while making stops in PRIDE, Rumble on the Rock and other organizations. The fan favorite has had little success as of late, though, going 1-7 in his past eight fights and 3-10 in his past 13 fights.

The latest EliteXC card includes:

Tank Abbott vs. Kimbo Slive
Kyle Noke vs. Scott Smith
Gina Carano vs. TBA
Antonio Silva vs. TBA
James Thompson vs. TBA




I HOPE TANKS KO"S THAT ZILCH IN RD 1

[Palerider4146]

First of all great to see our lil Rance in another interview. My bet would be seeing someone moving permanently to Hawaii.

Kimbo vs Tank, hmmm, is this 1997? You got to like tank a bit, but is he trully an MMA fighter of the current breed. And Kimbo???

For the Serra GSP fight I wonder if they both get to walk in with belts, just a thought. GSP will be much better for this fight, and although Serra did KO him last time, unless he gets some crazy sub on GSP, I will say GSP by KO in 3:45 of the 1st round.


In regards to Suicided vs Croms, Bree, remember Croms did take Po the distance. Why you ask, because Crom is "The Best Around!"

[Capt.Caveman]

Report: Lyoto Machida Offered Fight with Tito Ortiz
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 5, 2008 at 6:17 pm ET
Just hours after MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) reported an apparent offer to Heath Herring for a fight with Cheick Kongo, the news comes out that undefeated UFC light heavyweight Lyoto Machida (12-0 MMA, 4-0 UFC) has been offered a fight with former UFC champ Tito Ortiz (15-5-1 MMA, 14-5-1 UFC).

Ed Soares, the manager for Machida, today told MMAWeekly.com that his fighter had been offered a fight with Ortiz — yes, they’ve accepted — and that they’re simply awaiting word on whether Ortiz has accepted the fight.

There was no mention of a possible fight date.

Just a week ago, Machida posted a UFC 79 victory by dominating UFC newcomer and former PRIDE standout Rameau Sokoudjo. Using his usual counter-striking style while peppering his opponent with head and leg kicks, Machida shut down Sokoudjo and scored a second-round submission victory.

It was his 12th straight win, including his fourth straight in the UFC.

Ortiz, a 10-year veteran of the UFC and a former light heavyweight champion, recently finished taping “The Celebrity Apprentice” with Donald Trump. The reality/game show debuted this week and airs each Thursday on NBC for the next three months.

Ortiz recently stated that he has one fight left on his current deal but that he’s negotiating directly with UFC co-owners Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta — not UFC President Dana White — for a new contract.

A new deal would most likely need to be in place before the fight with Machida becomes official.

Ortiz hasn’t competed in the UFC since a July UFC 73 draw with Rashad Evans.

For the latest fight cards, check out the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

[mendozathejew]

I dont think Tito can win. But its a good matchup for him considering the reward (or what the reward should be- I think Machida should be in line for a title shot in 08). Tito will have a large size advantage, over a fighter who among all his talents, high level wrestling isnt one of them. it will be interesting to see how Ortiz plays this.

[Cromwell]

First of all great to see our lil Rance in another interview.


Not sure how he would enjoy you calling him "lil" :icon_mrgr

Anyway, if you really love him (like I know you do) - you had better buy one of those T-Shirts he's currently hawking.


Kimbo vs Tank, hmmm, is this 1997?


Lol! I know. :rolleyes:

I'd like to see them both in a street fight - that would be interesting. Perhaps with broken bottles or other "weapons" - but an MMA match? Puh-lease. Over and done. Time to coach. Well, if they aren't stone-cold alcoholics or anything :p


For the Serra GSP fight I wonder if they both get to walk in with belts, just a thought. GSP will be much better for this fight, and although Serra did KO him last time, unless he gets some crazy sub on GSP, I will say GSP by KO in 3:45 of the 1st round.


GSP is going to lay the same dominance (probably worse) on Serrra that he did on Hughes.


In regards to Suicided vs Croms, Bree, remember Croms did take Po the distance. Why you ask, because Crom is "The Best Around!"

Dude - you are my biggest fan. :D

I dont think Tito can win. But its a good matchup for him considering the reward (or what the reward should be- I think Machida should be in line for a title shot in 08). Tito will have a large size advantage, over a fighter who among all his talents, high level wrestling isnt one of them. it will be interesting to see how Ortiz plays this.

I'm curious to see how Tito plays on that Aprentice show. Did it premier already? Isn't there a former heavyweight boxer in there too? Lets get him and Tito in a boardroom throwdown! :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

I'm curious to see how Tito plays on that Aprentice show. Did it premier already? Isn't there a former heavyweight boxer in there too? Lets get him and Tito in a boardroom throwdown! :icon_cool


Croms it debuted last Thursday, he wound up bringing Jenna Jameson around for their challenge.

Yes there is a former heavyweight boxer, just happens to be Lennox Lewis! I always liked him, even though I wasnt much of a boxing fan.

[mik3]

I'd love to see Lennox knock Tito out during a challenge then do the gravedigger.

[mendozathejew]

there was an internet rumor that lennox smacked tito to the ground but it has to be bullshit or wed know about it

[chutzd]

UFC FIGHT NIGHT: APRIL 2, 2008 ON SPIKE TV
location: to be announced

-Kenny Florian (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Joe Lauzon
-Matt Hamill vs. Stephan Bonnar

[d0uche_n0zzle]

UFC FIGHT NIGHT: APRIL 2, 2008 ON SPIKE TV
location: to be announced

-Kenny Florian (#10 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Joe Lauzon
-Matt Hamill vs. Stephan Bonnar


Nice.

Now if we could only get a few more dollars to get the rest of WAC****.*** together for a sponsorship of JLau.

[Suicidebree]

Nice.

Now if we could only get a few more dollars to get the rest of WAC****.*** together for a sponsorship of JLau.

I cant even imagine what the second word bleeped is. As far as the Fight Night goes, amazing. Hamill/Bonner should be a great fight. Rance vs. Florian should be great too. Two quick little fuckers. Please finish him Joe and just casually mention how your new nickname is the finisher. Oh and if you read this Rance where the hell is the shirt I ordered.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The letters are missing because there wasn't enough cash for them :(

[Capt.Caveman]

I cant even imagine what the second word bleeped is. As far as the Fight Night goes, amazing. Hamill/Bonner should be a great fight. Rance vs. Florian should be great too. Two quick little fuckers. Please finish him Joe and just casually mention how your new nickname is the finisher. Oh and if you read this Rance where the hell is the shirt I ordered.

and they're good friends too so that should make it interesting.

[Palerider4146]

Yo caveman, I was checking out a pic of your wife and kid on your myspace. Is that where you live??? It looks like townhouses, I thought the only townhouses in our lovely town where the village green ones. I'm only asking since I'm looking for places to live once I sell my house and get rid of my exwife.

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm looking for places to live once I sell my house and get rid of my exwife.

need a boat and some bricks:D

[Palerider4146]

need a boat and some bricks:D


The bricks! That is where Mr. Peterson screwed up. Actually a heavy metal chain through the pelvic girdle does the trick also. Although that Lacy had a little something in her pelvic girdle already...

[Capt.Caveman]

horn vs marquart for ufc 81 just added as per mma junkie

[mendozathejew]

Chucks trainer on Lyoto Machida


http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...5bc733583f9990

"He's one of the least guys I want Chuck to fight. Not for his toughness or anything, its that his style is hardest to prepare for. I knew he would beat Sokoudjou. He was 2-1 underdog and so was chuck. Glover beat Soko before and I knew he was hype. He's #4 in the world, they had him 4 places before Chuck. My guy that KO'd him is not even in the top20. You know what Machida is like? he is so boring, like the Larry Holmes of MMA. He'll fucking beat everyone. Jimmy Young was like that too, Jimmy is the reason that Foreman retired and went to Jesus. (...) Machida is like Jimmy Young, he's a scary guy. Going to be a hard guy to beat"

[Cromwell]

Chucks trainer on Lyoto Machida


http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...5bc733583f9990

You know what Machida is like? . He'll fucking beat everyone.

Wonder how Chuck feels about reading his own trainer saying that? :icon_wink

Hey - all you Rance fans (yes, you bree - and of course you bought a t-shirt :rolleyes:) - JLau just posted up one of his email announcements on his upcoming bout with KFlo

http://http://joelauzon.com/index.php?view=readMore&id=52

and

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/ultimate_fighting/view.bg?articleid=1066225

[Suicidebree]

Hey - all you Rance fans (yes, you bree - and of course you bought a t-shirt :rolleyes:) - JLau just posted up one of his email announcements on his upcoming bout with KFlo



God I hate you sir. J/k. I am an ass kissing douche though but I buy shirts for anything I'm vaguely interested in, in large unnecessary quantities. Its been a month since i ordered had to mention it since their page has no contact address.

In real news...anyone else think Joe Stevenson has a chance this weekend? the more I see of him the more I think he could pull off this upset. His guillotine is vicious though I don't see Penn tapping.

[Cromwell]

God I hate you sir. J/k. I am an ass kissing douche though but I buy shirts for anything I'm vaguely interested in, in large unnecessary quantities. Its been a month since i ordered had to mention it since their page has no contact address.


Dude - he's been hawking shirts all over Myspace. Contact him there.




In real news...anyone else think Joe Stevenson has a chance this weekend? the more I see of him the more I think he could pull off this upset. His guillotine is vicious though I don't see Penn tapping.


Yeah, I watched the "Countdown" show last night too. I'm also impressed with Joe Daddy's training regimen up there in Big Bear.

Its gonna be an interesting fight. Looking forward to Saturday night. :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

It all depends on Penn. I imagine that we can all agree when he is "on" he may be one of the best fighters around. But he has that crazy laid back Hawaiian mentality. You dont know what his cardio will be like until saturday night, and that is the big determining factor in that fight.
I did love the high altitude bed tent though, he's friggin nuts!

[Palerider4146]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10818


Looks like Couture vs the UFC is getting nasty. Going to court with Zuffa suing Randy. Looks like the monetary amount is only 10K, but it would avoid him from fighting out of the ufc for a while. A bit of a black eye on the sport. I wonder who really is to blame here.

[mendozathejew]

A bit of a black eye on the sport. I wonder who really is to blame here.

gee I wonder:icon_eek:

but I'll type this drivel again- this is just the characteristics of the fight game. it is just what happens. mma wasnt going to be any different

[Chino Kapone]

Last night was my first night back doing MMA in about 2.5 years. After this weekend i realized i had a bit of aggression to get out, and one of my boys is always up there. It felt great being punched in the face, thowing some punches back and getting back to my wrestling roots. Too much fun, im so glad to be back.

[Palerider4146]

gee I wonder:icon_eek:

but I'll type this drivel again- this is just the characteristics of the fight game. it is just what happens. mma wasnt going to be any different

I wouldnt be so quick to blame Zuffa outright. Dont get me wrong, I'm sure they have their large part, but I wouldnt be surprised if Randy, or more so, Randy's agent plays a big role in this also. Just my two cents!

[Palerider4146]

Last night was my first night back doing MMA in about 2.5 years. After this weekend i realized i had a bit of aggression to get out, and one of my boys is always up there. It felt great being punched in the face, thowing some punches back and getting back to my wrestling roots. Too much fun, im so glad to be back.

Sorry for the two posts, but I'm a "unable to multi quote douche!".

I cant wait to get into it for no other reason to get back in shape and blow off some steam from my soon to be divorce. Just have to sell my damn house and I'll be able to afford it. Renzo Gracie is opening a school near me and Caveman, I'm really curious how expensive it's going to be.

[mik3]

I hope Gonzaga wins in crushing fashion this weekend to get back into the HW picture.

[Suicidebree]

Sorry for the two posts, but I'm a "unable to multi quote douche!".

I cant wait to get into it for no other reason to get back in shape and blow off some steam from my soon to be divorce. Just have to sell my damn house and I'll be able to afford it. Renzo Gracie is opening a school near me and Caveman, I'm really curious how expensive it's going to be.

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

[Capt.Caveman]

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

i'd love to go but i'll stick to my 185 every 3 months

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC 80 Thread if your getting the ppv later stay away it's on tape delay later go here

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=83832

[Cromwell]

I'm in :icon_cool

[mendozathejew]

pictures from an Affliction ad

http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_1.jpg
http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_2.jpg
http://reach.no/div/fed_cout_3.jpg

[Kid Brock]

Renzo's NYC school is 250$ a month I believe so the one in
Holmdel will probably be 200$. Just a guess

i'd love to go but i'll stick to my 185 every 3 months


Yikes $250? Even the premium membership at Couture's gym here is $150.

[Capt.Caveman]

Yikes $250? Even the premium membership at Couture's gym here is $150.

do you know any cheaper schools in vegas. my nephew is looking to get back into bjj. he was doing it for a while when he was living home but now that he's got his own place and a family he can't afford it. i think he was going to a school on harmon(i could be wrongon the street)

[Chino Kapone]

I am fucking buying head gear this week. I still have cauliflower ear from 10 years ago when i was in high school, and i can tell im gonna get it again.

[Palerider4146]

Even $200 a month will be out of my range in my post-divorce life. That's a big nut to crack. May need to check out either Cavemans school or two of the others over near here.

BTW Caveman, if you hear of any 2 bedroom rentals in your development, let me know how much they are going for. Thanks

[Capt.Caveman]

Even $200 a month will be out of my range in my post-divorce life. That's a big nut to crack. May need to check out either Cavemans school or two of the others over near here.

BTW Caveman, if you hear of any 2 bedroom rentals in your development, let me know how much they are going for. Thanks

No Problem I'll let you know, and there is one in middletown on 35, one in point pleasent, one in toms river and I heard a rumor about one in keansburg but haven't found anything on it. Mine is in matawan right on main street

[mendozathejew]

Tito Ortiz says hes taking the Machida fight, the final fight on his contract, then leaving UFC. atleast thats what he says

article in spoiler
Another UFC champion is speaking out against the promotion he once called home.

In an interview on Sirius’ Fight Network Radio on Monday, a disgruntled Tito Ortiz cited money as a primary point of contention with Zuffa LLC, the Las Vegas-based company that purchased the mixed martial arts’ brand in early 2001 and turned it into a $200 million-plus industry over the next five years.

“They don’t want the fighters to get as big as a 'Tyson' or a 'De La Hoya' or one of those types because all of a sudden, they’ll be expecting to see a lot more payment,” said Ortiz. “The UFC makes about 99 percent of the money, and the rest goes to the fighters. That one percent ain't nothing compared to what they make on merchandising, on pay-per-view, and everything else they make around the world.”

Ortiz is not the only marquee fighter to take Zuffa to task. UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture resigned from the organization on Oct. 11, citing compensation and poor treatment within the company as his main motivations. Couture walked away from his title, two contracted fights and a separate employment contract for commentating and promotional duties. Zuffa filed suit with Couture last Monday for breach of his employment contract.

A polarizing former UFC light heavyweight champion, Ortiz confirmed he will face Lyoto Machida (12-0) at a UFC event on Saturday, May 24 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The bout will satisfy the final fight of his UFC contract.

Expecting a rematch with “The Ultimate Fighter 2” winner Rashad Evans, Ortiz (15-5-1) said he begrudgingly accepted the bout with the Japanese-Brazilian fighter who toppled PRIDE sensation Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou with a second-round submission at UFC 79 “Nemesis” on Dec. 29 in Las Vegas.

“I was expecting a bigger fight. I think the fans were expecting a bigger fight,” said Ortiz. “I got pressed into it, and all of a sudden, it’s all over the Internet that Tito Ortiz won’t fight Machida. I’m just looking to get my final fight over with the UFC.”

Ortiz has headlined 17 of his 20 UFC appearances since he stepped into the Octagon at UFC 13 “Ultimate Force” in May 1997. Energetic and captivating, Ortiz became the UFC’s light heavyweight champion after his victory against future PRIDE Fighting Championships star Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25 in April 2004. A poster boy for the promotion, he lost the title to Chuck Liddell (21-5) via a second-round TKO at UFC 47 four years later.

Ortiz’s rematch against Liddell at UFC 66 in December 2006 remains the largest UFC pay-per-view to date, with a reported 1,000,050 buys. The event also holds the North American record for paid attendance, with 12,191 fans shelling out $5,397,300 to see the former friends rumble. The 33-year-old said he’s banked over $ 1 million per fight in his latest outings, but that half those wages go to taxes and training expenses.

Money has always been at the root of a rocky relationship with Zuffa officials. In 2003, Ortiz held out on a pay raise from the Las Vegas promotion in favor of a supporting movie role in a sequel to “The Crow." Ortiz eventually returned to the fold, but the relationship remained strained.

Ortiz’s troubles with the promotion have become public fodder, particularly with his former manager turned UFC president Dana White, who has belittled the fighter and his girlfriend, Jenna Jameson -- the world’s most recognizable porn star -- in numerous interviews.

The clash between promoter and fighter came to a head last fall, when Spike TV aired a special documenting a regulated boxing session the two were to have had in a Las Vegas gym. Ortiz said he pulled out of the bout ahead of time, claiming compensation for the publicity stunt was never agreed upon. The cameras rolled with White waiting at the scales.

Nearing the end of his contract last year, Ortiz opted to go back to the table with UFC majority owner Lorenzo Fertitta. Subsequent negotiations stalled.

“They said I wasn’t worth the money,” said Ortiz. “I was worth no more than what I’m getting paid now, and I’m not a commodity to them anymore. I’m not as viable to them anymore. That was a sign of disrespect.”

Ortiz also believes White's ill feelings towards him will most likely prevent the fighter from getting a shot at the UFC title again.

"With Dana in charge, I don't think that fight will ever happen for me," said Ortiz. "Dana has bad blood for me and nothing but bad blood. They're going to try and ruin me."

Often at the center of controversy in the sport, bleached-blonde wrestler Ortiz, 33, has managed to stay in the spotlight despite his inactivity. After his heated July 7 draw with “The Ultimate Fighter 3” reality TV series winner Rashad Evans (11-0-1) at UFC 73 “Stacked” in Sacramento, Ortiz (15-5-1) landed a stint on NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice,” alongside KISS frontman Gene Simmons and actor Stephen Baldwin. The show is now in its third week, with Ortiz donating his earnings to the St. Jude’s Children's Hospital.

“UFC is caring so much about the brand itself,” said Ortiz. “They could care less about the fighters. Fighters are a dime a dozen. They’ll keep coming. Dana is really out for himself and the company. He doesn’t give a s--t about the fighters.”


http://www.thefightnetwork.com//news_detail.php?nid=6048

[mik3]

I don't know if he's using the threat to get a new money contract, I don't know if they feel he's worth it at this point.

If he wins he'll probably get whatever he wants though.

[mendozathejew]

I don't know if he's using the threat to get a new money contract, I don't know if they feel he's worth it at this point.

in the article, Tito said zuffa told him straight up he isnt worth more money

[mik3]

True, but at this point if he can sign for the same money then he has to take that as a win.

I'm sure if there really was a McMahon/Cuban organization in the works he'd be one of the first guys they'd go for.

[mendozathejew]

maybe he thinks M1 will sign him. a fight with him and fedor would be interesting. there really wouldnt be any weight difference since tito cuts so much at lt hw

[Cromwell]

I think Tito is showing disrespect to Machida. Saying its a "lesser" fight - than what? Does he think he deserves another title shot? That title rematch shot has been earned by Lidell. Who by the way would kick Tito's ass yet-again. Machida will probably beat his ass. Tito should fight Bisbing. Those two are on the same (mid) level now.

Mendoza - where are those pictures of Randy and Fedor from? Have they been contracted to fight?

[Chino Kapone]

OOOOooOoooOOOOooooOOooOO Isn't there a fight night tonite!?!?!?!?!?

My DVR will be set! Can't wait!

[Cromwell]

Yeah, there's something on tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_03.jpg
I'll watch
(I pretty much watch it all)

[mendozathejew]

I think Tito is showing disrespect to Machida. Saying its a "lesser" fight - than what? Does he think he deserves another title shot? That title rematch shot has been earned by Lidell. Who by the way would kick Tito's ass yet-again. Machida will probably beat his ass. Tito should fight Bisbing. Those two are on the same (mid) level now.

Mendoza - where are those pictures of Randy and Fedor from? Have they been contracted to fight?

the pictures are from an ad or commercial they were filming. Randy still says hes waiting out his contract and fighting fedor in october.

Tito took the fight apparently. he has said he accepted it but he doesnt want it so who knows. ofcourse hes disrespectful of Machida. He has sain the past that he will 'never lose to a brazilian.' good luck keeping that promise tito. machida is from brazil

[burky79]

Yeah, there's something on tonight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/UFN_12_TONIGHTBLAST_03.jpg
I'll watch
(I pretty much watch it all)

oh yeah... gotta watch, its like a bad drug.... but its ohhhhh so good.
;)

[mik3]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?

[Save My Up's Dick]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?
I hope not, I kinda like this kid. Still think he has a lot to prove, that division is kinda deep.

Nice win for him.

[mik3]

That was a great win, especially since it looked like everything he did was getting turned on him. He comes off like a douche but he's really talented.

[mendozathejew]

Anybody think Nate Diaz pretty much being ignored since winning TUF has something to do with his brother sorta being a shithead in the sport?

he won by forfeit basically though. he was helpless til manny's arm fell out the socket.

I think they are walking a fine line between building their tuf winners and throwing them in too deep.

as I type this Nick is behind nate during the interview. he looks like hes walking around in the 180s. thats by far the heaviest ive seen him

[mik3]

he won by forfeit basically though. he was helpless til manny's arm fell out the socket
Very true. Manny looked great in his last fight. I wonder if the powers that be feel more like he's the real TUF5 winner. Though Joe seems to have gained the most by it.

[mik3]

How many fights is Nick's proelite contract?

[mendozathejew]

How many fights is Nick's proelite contract?

no clue........his last performance didnt go well

http://i29.tinypic.com/20psbbs.gif

classy reaction to the crowd though
http://i30.tinypic.com/141topd.gif http://i29.tinypic.com/29ojvc6.gif


I cant understand why Im a fan of this guy. I guess its cause the promoters marginalize him at every turn

[mik3]

Yeah, he seems to get fucked over, but he seems to put himself in a position to get fucked over.

I'd like Gomi to fight again soon, hopefully against Diaz. But who knows, since Gomi was randomly at UFC79 after not being seen for about a year.

[mendozathejew]

I think Gomi in the loss to Diaz actually ruined him. the guy has been moving like hes in water ever since. diaz took alot of shots. gomi did too but he has that retard mongolian head

[mik3]

For real, it's like he's wearing a Halloween mask on a normal head.

Also, Omigawa has one of those slick japanese starter mullets.

[mendozathejew]

cut men's salary must have taken a sharp increase in the past couple years. especially the top ones like stitch duran. between mma and boxing theyve always got work

[mik3]

Yeah, Stitch works kickboxing/mma/boxing. He has a radio show also.

[mendozathejew]

Yeah, Stitch works kickboxing/mma/boxing. He has a radio show also.

really? thats interesting. what does he focus on talking about? his fighting background was in muay thai

[mik3]

If I remember correctly it's on in Vegas only and it's called the 13th round. It covers all fight sports.

[mik3]

Drunk groupie whore fight?

[mendozathejew]

bruce buffer should be shot

[mik3]

Did he just say "I love you......and FUCK YOU"?

[mendozathejew]

something along those lines. they were a little slow on the dump button

[burky79]

what a kick!

as Joe said "He caught that shin with his head"

[mik3]

I love interviews like that.

"I thought it was a punch, I don't know, I'm still knocked out." And he won the fight.

[mendozathejew]

they arent really throwing hands and exchanging like they should to settle this thing

[mik3]

Swick will win based on the ole octagon control.

[mendozathejew]

that was Teddy Atlas' "silent agreement" thing in the ring. they basically both decided to do just enough to look active without any real attempt to trade and prove anything

[mik3]

Yeah, I think Burkman continuously trying for take downs while making zero progress killed that fight.

[mendozathejew]

neither did much. both guys realized, if you dont push this fight, I wont either. thats how duds happen. they arent afraid to get hit, but they are afraid to lose

[nitron]

Alberto Crane vs Kurt Pellegrino was a disappointment. Crane landed that big kick to Kurt's face. It looked like he was going to finish him, but AC managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. :arrrh:

[Capt.Caveman]

swick burkman was boring. swick waited til the 2nd to start throwing but he was tenative and burkman only wanted the take down...main event jitters the rest of the fights weren't that bad for younger guys

[mendozathejew]

grey maynard and corey hill supposedly had quick exciting KOs. they would have been better off showing that

[mik3]

UFC banning Affliction shirts from TV.

[Capt.Caveman]

UFC banning Affliction shirts from TV.

why?

[mik3]

Because there's talks affliction might start an organization so Zuffa's saying it's would be like fighters coming down in PRIDE shirts back in the day.

[mendozathejew]

its going to be hilarious watching zuffa trying to hold onto its monopoly over the game

[mik3]

The Undertaker, who's a huge MMA fan, won his match with a gogoplata tonight.

[mik3]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/_absinthe_/UTGogoplata.jpg

[Capt.Caveman]

The Undertaker, who's a huge MMA fan, won his match with a gogoplata tonight.

that's terrific :clap:

[Capt.Caveman]

its going to be hilarious watching zuffa trying to hold onto its monopoly over the game

i just want all the best fighters in 1 place. maybe have a super bowl at the end of the year every year.

[Palerider4146]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/_absinthe_/UTGogoplata.jpg

Ok considering that I havnt watched pro rasslin since HS, this kind of irks me a bit, but you cant stop them from jumping on the bandwagon. Did anyone see the corpse that was Vince McMahon on the Apprentice the other night, shit what kind of cancer did he catch???

[mik3]

I don't care if the undertaker does shit like that 'cause he's been into MMA for ages, before it blew up.

[Cromwell]

Chuck Liddell on right now with O&A.

He's got a book to hawk.

He'll be signing at Virgin Megastore this week (I think Wednesday).

[Capt.Caveman]

good interview. he seems like a fun guy. i wouldn't punch him in the back of the head though

[Capt.Caveman]

Looks like they're gonna spice up TUF 7



MMAjunkie.com Reveals the UFC’s Big Change for “The Ultimate Fighter 7″
Posted by MMA Junkie on January 30, 2008 at 10:35 am ET
UFC President Dana White has promised a big surprise for the upcoming seventh season of “The Ultimate Fighter” — a major format change for the groundbreaking reality show — and MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has learned what it likely is.

Although we will not release any fight results from the show (we never post fight spoilers), we will reveal a fairly significant change in the way this season works.

According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode.

“The Ultimate Fighter 7” features UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton Jackson and season-one winner Forrest Griffin as coaches. The season features only middleweight (185-lb.) fighters and debuts April 2 on Spike TV. A stacked UFC Fight Night 13 event precedes the season premier of the show.

The likely format change should be warmly received by critics of the show who complain that the series focuses more on the drama and in-house antics than it does training and the actual fights. Additionally, many of the show’s weaker cast members will likely be eliminated before they’re even technically a part of the cast, assuring that only the cream of the crop are in the house for the duration of the show.

Unfortunately, we have no information on how the initial match-ups might be determined.

To date, MMAjunkie.com has already revealed more than a dozen cast members. However, there will be more than a dozen more to come because of the show’s new format.

For the latest news about “The Ultimate Fighter 7,” including a list of all the latest cast members confirmed by MMAjunkie.com, check out the UFC Rumors (www.mmajunkie.com/ufc-rumors) section of the site.

[TheTruth]

I love how the TV promo's for the upcoming UFC ppv, one of the clips of Brock Lesnar they have is him power bombing a woman

[Capt.Caveman]

I love how the TV promo's for the upcoming UFC ppv, one of the clips of Brock Lesnar they have is him power bombing a woman

that bitch shouldn't have got all uppidy

[mik3]

A lot of people are saying Shogun/Chuck for 83. heh

[Gotti420]

A lot of people are saying Shogun/Chuck for 83. heh

should be a great fight if it happens

[mendozathejew]

I guess Machida continues to get ducked


Shogun alread signed the contract
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5604&zoneid=2

[Capt.Caveman]

I guess Machida continues to get ducked


Shogun alread signed the contract
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5604&zoneid=2

machida is supposed to fight tito at 84 or 85

[mik3]

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[supers4972]

The UFC 81 looks like a solid card. I am looking forward to Brock/Mir. I hit up the weigh-ins on Friday and got some pics.

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[supers4972]

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[mendozathejew]

great shots man. youve got to get some of these printed then take them back at future events for autographs. just a thought

renzo really looks like a goof

[nitron]

all the hype around ufc 81 makes it look like "the Brock Lesnar show". its easy to forget that Nogueira/Sylvia are in the main event.

[Capt.Caveman]

Upcoming UFC events

UFC 81
Tonite

Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir

Tim "The Maine-iac" Sylvia VS Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira

Tyson Griffin VS Gleison Tibau

Terry Martin VS Marvin "The Beastman" Eastman

Keita "K-Taro" Nakamura VS Rob Emerson

Nate "The Great" Marquardt VS Jeremy Horn

Chris "Lights Out" Lytle VS Kyle Bradley

David Heath VS Tim Boetsch

Rob Yudnt VS Ricardo Almeida


UFC 82: Pride of a Champion

Saturday, March 1st, 2008
Nationwide Arena
Columbus, Ohio

Anderson "The Spider" Silva VS Dan "Hollywood" Henderson

John "The Hurricane" Halverson VS Jorge Gurgel

Josh Koscheck VS Dustin Hazelett

Luke Cummo VS Luigi Fioravanti

Cheick Kongo VS Heath "Texas Crazy Horse" Herring

Andre "Pitbull" Arlovski VS Jake O'Brien

Jon Fitch VS Chris Wilson

Diego "Nightmare" Sanchez VS David Bielkheden

Evan Tanner VS Yushin Okami

Alessio "Legionarius" Sakara VS Chris "The Crippler" Leben

Event Details
UFC Fight Night 13

Wednesday April , 2nd
Broomfield Event Center
Colorado

Kenny "Kenflo" Florian VS Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon

Karo "The Heat" Parisyan VS Thiago "Pitbull" Alves

Matt Hamill VS Stephan "The American Psycho" Bonnar

Clay "The Carpenter" Guida VS Samy Schiavo

Spencer "The King" Fisher VS Marcus "Maximus" Aurelio

Josh Neer VS Din "Dinyero" Thomas

Anthony Johnson VS Tommy Speer

Houston Alexander VS James Irvin

Gray Maynard VS Frank "The Answer" Edgar


UFC 83

Saturday, April 19th, 2008
Bell Centre
Montreal, Canada

Georges "Rush" St Pierre VS Matt "The Terror" Serra

Mark Bocek VS Mac Danzig

Joe Doerkson VS Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald

Kalib Starnes VS Nate "The Rock" Quarry

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout VS Rich "No Love" Clementi

Kuniyoshi Hironaka VS Jonathan Goulet

Charles "Chainsaw" McCarthy VS Michael "The Count" Bisping

Rich "Ace" Franklin VS Travis Lutter

UFC 84

Saturday, May 24th, 2008
MGM Grand Garden Arena
Las Vegas, Nevada

Sean "The Muscle Shark" Sherk VS BJ "The Prodigy" Penn

Ryoto "Lyoto" Machida VS Tito "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz

Thiago Silva VS Rashad Evans

Ivan Salaverry VS Rousimar Palhares

[Capt.Caveman]

all the hype around ufc 81 makes it look like "the Brock Lesnar show". its easy to forget that Nogueira/Sylvia are in the main event.

yea i'm really looking foward to that fight too. i wanna check out lesner I hear he's a beast. But i really wanna see antonio snap silvias arm.

[supers4972]

I am doing that.

I am also going to start training at Xtreme Couture in a few months. I am having gastric bypass next month and once I am up and around I will be able to work with Randy's crew.

[Flea_Man]

I cunt wait. Tonight will be a good show.

[Cromwell]

I am doing that.

I am also going to start training at Xtreme Couture in a few months. I am having gastric bypass next month and once I am up and around I will be able to work with Randy's crew.

Good for you, Dude.

Yeah, definitely get yourself in shape a bit first, before you start training. Definitely want to start with your diet :icon_mrgr

Those are some great pictures you got with those fighters. I'm jealous.

Hey Caveman - you around? Who else is watching the fight tonight?

[burky79]

Watching.

I'll start a watching thread.

I may behind as I am watching on --pc-st

----

here is the watching thread (http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?p=2400742#post2400742)

WARNING MAY BE SPOILERS!!!

[Cromwell]

Watching.

I'll start a watching thread.

I may behind as I am watching on --pc-st

Cool.

I'm watching now too. Good lightweight bout at the moment. Tyson Griffin v. Tibau

[Rance]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

[mendozathejew]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

without a doubt. rance, do you think Nog is slowing down or physically declining? Ive been a fan of Nog for years, and would rather not see him wheeled out of the octagon some day

[TheTruth]

Brock Lesnar's proved that a boxer or someone like Tyson who isn't well rounded would do in MMA. To me Lesnar looked very sloppy aside from his takedown of Mir, but once he had Mir to the ground he just starts swinging wildly, that style will work some of the time, but he will never be a champ, because when he fights the more experienced fighters like Mir they can ride it out and still get the win despite getting pounded.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Brock could be a viable HW, if he learns BJJ and submission defense, his striking also needs help, IMO. If he can pull it all together, then he might have a opportunity to advance against the elite in MMA.

[mendozathejew]

Brock could be a viable HW, if he learns BJJ and submission defense, his striking also needs help, IMO. If he can pull it all together, then he might have a opportunity to advance against the elite in MMA.

He actually checked a leg kick properly. that was good to see. He has potential, he'll be a tough out for just about everyone even if he never acquires very good sub defense.


meanwhile Andre Arlovski's last fight on his UFC contract is going to be a dark match....looks like he will be leaving the UFC. Between Fedor, AA, and Josh Barnett there will be good HW match ups to make in 08 outside of the UFC.

[supers4972]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

Rance

How is your training coming? I'm looking forward to your fight with Florian. Hopefully I will be able to meet you in person. 155 is by far the deepest and best division in MMA.

[Capt.Caveman]

Who else had their night made when Nog guillotined Tim?

preach on brother

[Palerider4146]

Hey Caveman - you around? Who else is watching the fight tonight?


Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm


Good to see Rance around again. Are you back in Hilo or training in Mass?

[Cromwell]

Rance

How is your training coming? I'm looking forward to your fight with Florian. Hopefully I will be able to meet you in person. 155 is by far the deepest and best division in MMA.

Ha, ha. You want to meet what appears to be the only guy left in MMA that you haven't got in a picture with :rolleyes:



Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm


No love? I only post your picture every single time I post here :icon_wink

Anyway, I was just looking for the most notorious post-whores, and when it comes to these MMA threads, caveman is about the worst (though burky subbed in quite capably) :D


Good to see Rance around again. Are you back in Hilo or training in Mass?

He seems to be quite active on Myspace lately. Lots of catch-up info there :icon_cool

[Palerider4146]

I know Crom, just busting them. Been busy lately and still trying to sell this damn house. We shall talk more...

[Cromwell]

Looking forward to you, your Paleness :icon_wink

Hey - speaking of Lauzon's - the other one has a fight coming up and a nice little feature currently running at Fight Hype:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1878.html

Apparently Dana will be in attendance, and brother Dan will be looking to impress.

I also see that Dan is sponsored by Tapout, so I look forward to his possible episode when the new season of Tapout starts again this June. :icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Hey Caveman???????? No love, croms, no love...:action-sm




I just have a sweeter backside sir:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

Anyway, I was just looking for the most notorious post-whores, and when it comes to these MMA threads, caveman is about the worst

SSSSAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is very hurtful sir....very True but very hurtful:icon_cry:

[Palerider4146]

I just have a sweeter backside sir:action-sm

Sir how can you compare something you have yet to see. Now you and I may need to take care of this on the mat, where to sweaty men can really get down to the nitty gritty of who's backside is sweeter. Talking about sweet backsides, did I mention it's good to see rance back on here.

[Capt.Caveman]

Sir how can you compare something you have yet to see. Now you and I may need to take care of this on the mat, where to sweaty men can really get down to the nitty gritty of who's backside is sweeter. Talking about sweet backsides, did I mention it's good to see rance back on here.

i'll bring the baby oil tiger

[Cromwell]

OK - now, I could be way off base about this - but - did it just get a little gay in here? :icon_eek:

[Capt.Caveman]

OK - now, I could be way off base about this - but - did it just get a little gay in here? :icon_eek:

gay or insanely hot...huh...huh.....nothin?;):icon_redf

[mendozathejew]

holy shit, this isnt right

:icon_eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jiK1CDvug

[Palerider4146]

holy shit, this isnt right

:icon_eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jiK1CDvug


Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.

[Cromwell]

those kids do have some nice skills.

I thought it was a great fight.

At first it looked like Dakota was going to run right through
Aaron - but then the kid started battling back. As you can see it was a split decision. Aaron has some good kicking skills, but needs to work on his hands more.

But what the hey - they're only 8 year olds :icon_mrgr

I will be following this "Pure Breed" league more closely now.

Thanks mendoza - for pointing this out to us. :)

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.


You're right, they should be limited to some sort of point system with protective gear.

However, that won't stop some parents from doing their own underground pit fight with children. Gee, I want a punch drunk eighteen-year-old...

[mendozathejew]

Your right mendoza, that isnt right, the redheaded kid outweighed him by at least 10 pounds!

All kidding aside, it's shit like that that will hurt the sport. Nothing wrong with a kid doing jits, or even boxing, but not MMA yet. Any striking sport at that age should involve head gear and such.

That being said, those kids do have some nice skills.

exactly my thoughts. If one of these kids gets hurt, it could be devastating for MMA. it is not good for business. but if you are gonna do it, atleast use head gear and larger padded gloves.

cant say I didnt enjoy it though :icon_neut

[Capt.Caveman]

i gotta agree with you this is real bad for the sport. it's just the ammo one of these tree hugging anti fight assholes needs.

[supers4972]

Crocop is on his way to Japan for a big announcement. Any thoughts? I don't think its a bright future in the UFC.

Anyone getting pumped for the WEC tomorrow? The card is stacked.

[mendozathejew]

Back to K1 kickboxing maybe? or k1 mma

[mik3]

K1 MMA is what mmanews is saying. And Fedor wrote a letter calling out Dana White.

[mendozathejew]

And Fedor wrote a letter calling out Dana White.

yes and its a gem. kinda hard for Dana to dismiss Fedor when the new interim UFC champ is a guy Fedor beat 2.5 times when Nog was still in his prime

[supers4972]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.

[mik3]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.
?

White won't let his guys fight him and he wasn't going to sign the restricted deal(which was for money) that they wanted him to sign.

[mendozathejew]

Fedor is the new Tito.

In his prime and won't fight a quality opponent and gets fed tin cans once ever 6 months.

well his org collapsed after he had already cleaned out the division. the new owner wouldnt let him compete in sambo in russia, that was his breaking point. along with the general disrespect that Dana White throws at people, which is definitely a reason randy left, and its definitely a reason Arlovski is likely to bounce....and Sylvia also tempted to make that move.

Josh Barnett is top 5 at worst and thats the fight that Fedor has needed for years. Barnett has wins over Couture and Nog. If AA or Sylvia leaves after his contract ends, there is a nice HW division outside the UFC, arguably better. But it probably wont be any one orgs division. exclusive contracts will not be the norm long term, their wont be a monopoly. its just the fight games nature.

[Cromwell]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/WEC32_EMAIL_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/Dave_H/Martial%20Arts/WEC32_EMAIL_02.jpg

Looks like some entertaining fights tonight :icon_cool

[mik3]

WEC tonight has been pretty exciting.

[supers4972]

WEC tonight has been pretty exciting.

Garcia and Varner KO's were awesome.

Torres submission was great.

[Papagolash]

MotherFUCK I KNEW I was forgetting something last night. God dammit

[mik3]

There was a flying armbar that didn't make the broadcast, someone needs to find this.

[Capt.Caveman]

does anyone else hope tank decapitates kimbo with a right hook tommorow night?

[Capt.Caveman]

pic from the weigh in for tank vs kimbo


http://mmajunkie.com/images/EliteXCStreetCertified/Kimbo%20Slice%20vs%20Tank%20Abbott.jpg

[Suicidebree]

That fight was a jokg, Tank cared less than ever. Kimbo while exciting, not so much if he gets taken down by a real jui jitsu or wrestling guy. The guy pushed the ref away and threw a mouth piece in the stands and the ref didnt stand up to him to get another. HAHa funny just not great for the sport.

[Capt.Caveman]

tank was a joke he didn't even try. kimbo needs real competition

[mendozathejew]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

[TheTruth]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

Not to take anything away from Kimbo, but he has only faught 1 dimentional fighters so far. Ray Mercer which is just a joke, Bo Cantrell (don't know about his fighting style) and Tank Abbott. I want to see him fight someone who isn't just going to stand up with him. Abbott is not a take the fight to the ground guy at all so all Kimbo had to do was swing away and not really worry about a take down. I would be willing to bet Fedor would own Kimbo.

[Capt.Caveman]

Tank has had 1 win since 1998 :haha7:

kimbo may or may not have some skills, but this meant nothing

they will keep throwing chumps and has beens at him. he's a joke.

[mendozathejew]

http://i25.tinypic.com/25upni0.gif

saw this and had to post it. Shinya Aoki is one of Rogans favorites, he has sick submissions

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Did he break the elbow, or just dislocate it?

[mendozathejew]

Did he break the elbow, or just dislocate it?

you can hear it break
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k

[MattyIceGfunk]

Wow this is the line on our boy Joe:

UFCUltimate Fight Night - Lightweights - Wed, Apr 2nd (10pm) @ Broomfield Event Center, CO

Kenny Florian -200
Joe Lauzon +160

I'll take Joe for sure!

[Cromwell]

Cuban enters Couture tug-of-war

By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports

The likely promoter of a potential Randy Couture vs. Fedor Emelianenko match was revealed last week when Mark Cuban's HDNet Fights filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Dallas against Zuffa LLC, the parent company of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

The suit is an attempt to get a court ruling on when Couture's contract expires and when he can fight for Cuban, who is best known as the billionaire owner of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks, or another non-UFC promoter.

The suit comes on the heels of Zuffa’s attempt through the Nevada courts to get an injunction to bar Couture from appearing on rival MMA shows, citing a non-compete clause in Couture's employment contract. Couture’s employment contract is separate from the fighting contract, which is the basis for Cuban’s suit.

"Obviously we're going to address the lawsuit that was filed in Dallas, Texas, in a timely and very direct fashion," said Zuffa attorney Don Campbell. "Our point is that Couture is still obligated to the requirements of the terms of the contract, which are unambiguous."

Cuban’s HDNet, a television station available in only a small percentage of U.S. homes, has heavily focused on building around MMA programming. Cuban previously made headlines by engaging in talks with Floyd Mayweather Jr., the pound-for-pound boxing king, about potential participation in MMA.

A Couture-Emelianenko match would likely have more business potential on pay-per-view than any MMA fight not promoted by the UFC. Not only would it possibly put another promotion on the map as a genuine, significant rival to UFC, something many groups have tried to be but none have really succeeded at, but it would answer probably the most important question regarding the future of the sport:

Is MMA popular, or just the UFC?

UFC has run numerous pay-per-view cards that have drawn from 600,000-1.05 million buys. No non-UFC promotion has ever done more than 75,000 buys.

Emelianenko, in particular, has been a pay-per-view flop in North America as a headliner for Pride and Bodog Fight. The Russian fighter, who was long considered the world’s pound-for-pound best, did an anemic 13,000 buys for his lone 2007 match, against Matt Lindland.

Couture topped 500,000 buys on both of his 2007 UFC matches. A match with Emelianenko will likely show the upper limits of what the best fight possible, without UFC backing, could draw on pay-per-view.

The 44-year old Couture signed a four-fight, 18-month contract, on January 19, 2007, with UFC. This included a $500,000 signing bonus, half of which was paid upon the signing of the contract and the other half upon the completion of the first fight, the March 2 match where he defeated Tim Sylvia to win the UFC heavyweight title in Columbus, Ohio.

Between all monies, which included guarantees and a sliding percentage of pay-per-view revenue, as well as a second employment contract, Couture earned about $3 million in his two fights during 2007, along with some other outside work with the company. This includes money from a secondary contract as a company employee, paying him $200,000 per year, which included a one-year non-compete provision.

On the second contract, it appears both sides agree that when Couture quit the company on Oct. 11, he couldn't work for a rival promotion until that date this year.

But the fight contract is what is under dispute in the lawsuit filed by Cuban's company. Couture is claiming when the 18-month period expires on July 19, the contract is over, although he has done interviews in the past stating he'll honor the non-compete from the employment contract and feels he can fight again in October.

Zuffa is claiming that Couture didn't fulfill his contract, and that he owes them two more fights. There is a specific clause in the contract that stated in the event Couture retired, the 18-month time frame is frozen in that he's still bound to the company to fulfill the time frame if he decides to fight again. Couture has never used the term retirement, but used the term resignation. UFC president Dana White has stated that he believes you can't just resign in the middle of a valid contract, and has publicly offered him title defenses.

Couture is the currently recognized UFC heavyweight champion, although he personally claims he has not been champion since he quit the company. Zuffa has since created an interim heavyweight championship, which Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira won on Feb. 2 in Las Vegas in a match with Sylvia. Immediately after the match, White talked of trying to get Couture back for a match with Nogueira. Couture has been adamant that he is done with UFC unless UFC agrees to do a co-promotion with the M-1 Global promotion, which owns Emelianenko's contract.

White last year attempted to sign Emelianenko, an offer which included a seven-figure signing bonus and $1.5 million per fight, but the Russian's management turned it down, claiming it was too restrictive. Couture then announced he was leaving UFC, citing his goal was to fight Emelianenko to determine who was the top heavyweight in the world. Ironically, Couture felt disrespected by those terms, because Emelianenko's offered UFC guarantee was much higher than his, and Couture helped build the company and was, at the time of his resignation, the company's most popular fighter.

Couture was on Cuban's Inside MMA TV show on HDNet on Friday night, where both the lawsuit filed by HDNet Fights and UFC's attempt to file an injunction against Couture appearing for rival groups were discussed.

He said the fight with Emelianenko was the one the public wants to see and that the sport has to evolve to where the top fighters face each other, regardless of promotional affiliation. He noted that in boxing the rival promotions work together to promote major fights.

Emelianenko, who is 27-1, is generally considered the best heavyweight MMA fighter. Until recently, he was ranked No. 1 pound-for-pound in the Yahoo! Sports rankings, a ranking he would likely have retained if he had fought even one match against top heavyweight competition in 2007.

He was the champion of the Pride organization when it was sold to Zuffa last year, and then subsequently was folded. But to some, his stock as the true king and best fighter has dropped because he hasn't faced a legitimate top contender since an August 28, 2005, match in Japan against Mirko Cro Cop. Cro Cop, who was just dropped from his contract by UFC after consecutive losses to Gabriel Gonzaga and Cheick Kongo, is being talked about in Japan as an opponent for Emelianenko in a proposed summer match.

Zuffa sued Couture and then filed an injunction against him, claiming he has violated the non-compete clause by appearing on rival promotion's television shows to do interviews, in specific shows on Cuban's HDNet.

They also are claiming it's a violation because the International Fight League has a new team for the 2008 season called Team Xtreme Couture, featuring fighters from his Las Vegas gym. Couture's argument is that the gym, which bears his name, is separate from himself, and that he is not the coach of the team.

However, the IFL did put a photo of Couture on its web site, briefly, to promote its Feb. 29 show in Las Vegas where Team Xtreme Couture debuts.

The photo was quickly taken down, but Zuffa lawyers captured a screen image and then filed for an injunction to ban Couture from having anything to do with any rival shows.

The request for an injunction, filed in Las Vegas, stated, "If Couture is permitted to terminate his employment and promptly take his well-known name and likeness during the restricted period to one, or more, of Zuffa's competitors so that it can be used to promote upcoming events in other MMA leagues, the harm to Zuffa's business goodwill cannot be calculated."

It has been common knowledge and never a source of conflict in the past when fighters under contract to one organization corner fighters on different shows. Couture has seconded fighters from his gym on shows all over the world, both during his tenure with Zuffa and since his resignation. He was planning on seconding the fighters from his gym at the IFL show, which the injunction is attempting to prevent.


Dave Meltzer covers mixed martial arts for Yahoo! Sports. Meltzer, who has published the pro wrestling trade industry publication the Wrestling Observer Newsletter since 1982, began covering MMA with UFC 1 in 1993. He is a graduate of San Jose State University, and has written for the Oakland Tribune, Los Angeles Times, and The National. Send Dave a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-cubanufc021808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Zuffa needs to start putting up more money for the winners, then maybe they won't have so many unhappy fighters.

[Gotti420]

There is a specific clause in the contract that stated in the event Couture retired, the 18-month time frame is frozen in that he's still bound to the company to fulfill the time frame if he decides to fight again. Couture has never used the term retirement, but used the term resignation. UFC president Dana White has stated that he believes you can't just resign in the middle of a valid contract, and has publicly offered him title defenses.

After reading that it seems like Zuffa is right on this one. You can't just resign from a contract.

[Capt.Caveman]

i like the idea of keeping the fighters hungry. but they need to pay the big names. winner should get a lot more than the loser imo. merch sales from ufc has to be threw the roof with all the ufc shirts and hats i've seen on people not in the mma scene

[Cromwell]

Garcia and Varner KO's were awesome.

Torres submission was great.

Yeah, Varner really surprised me with teh way he came back and knocked out McCullogh like that.

and yeah, Torres sub on Bebe was also a shock. Both titleholders thought there was *no way* they were going to lose. Surprise, surprise. That's why they have the fights.

So, it made it really interesting by the time Condit's fight rolled around. But he's just got amazing sub's from his back. He is a very skilled fighter. He seems a bit light for a welterweight, though. He weighted in at at 167. 3 pounds under. I don't see how he could compete against bigger welterweights like GSP and Fitch. Would love to see it though. Speaking of Fitch, a couple of good articles on his upcoming fight.

First the opponent, Chris Wilson:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2019.html

and then Fitch himself:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2023.html

[mik3]

Walking to my car today I saw a Jeep with "Tito Ortiz is a punk" on the back window. It was raining pretty good or I would have snapped a picture.

[Capt.Caveman]

Walking to my car today I saw a Jeep with "Tito Ortiz is a punk" on the back window. It was raining pretty good or I would have snapped a picture.

jeep suv right. that was my buddy rich. he trains at the school i go to.

[mik3]

jeep suv right. that was my buddy rich. he trains at the school i go to.
Yep, white Grand Cherokee.

[Capt.Caveman]

Yep, white Grand Cherokee.

yea that's him he's a goose

[Capt.Caveman]

North American Grappling Association TOURNEMENT April 5th


For all the bjj fans here there is a tournement on april 5th and 6th in Newark, NJ. I'll be competing with my team there. Here's a link for those interested in attending


http://www.nagafighter.com/worlds2008_home.asp

[supers4972]

I was at the event and Kim did not look good. It really was a Muay Thai smoker but it was not classic Muay Thai and you can tell that all of the fighters trained in multiple disciplines. Her opponent had more experience and she used it. Kim seemed to gas out at the end of the first round and I was watching Randy and Gina and both of them struggled to watch as Kim repeatedly took jabs to the head. To her credit she stayed in the fight and kept coming forward and engaging but clearly her skills need some work.

[JMCC]

I don't know if this was posted, but anyone going to this?

http://yammapitfighting.com/

I didn't think butterbean was still alive, let alone fighting....