Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[whoisisthis]

figured I'd start a thread to keep all the upcoming UFC, Pride, TUF, ect goodness in.

here's a sweet KO video to start it off

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2585646034579043717&q=UFC

[roche]

That is probally the best knock video I have seen. The music could be changed though.... Was that Blink 182 at the end?

[whoisisthis]

Confirmed fight card for UFC 57 02/04/06

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture
Frank Mir Vs. Marcio Cruz
Renato Sobral Vs. Mike Van Arsdale
Alessio Sakara Vs. Elvis Sinosic
Brandon Vera Vs. Justin Eilers
Paul Buentello Vs. Gilbert Aldana
Jeff Monson Vs. Branden Lee Hinkle
Nick Diaz Vs. Joe Riggs



and the fight card for Ultimate Fight Night on Spike TV- 01/16/06

Tim Sylvia Vs. Assuerio Silva
Stephan Bonnar Vs. James Irvin
Melvin Guillard Vs. Anthony Torres
Spencer Fisher Vs. Aaron Riley
Drew Fickett Vs. Josh Burkman
Chris Leben Vs. Jorge Rivera
Alex Karalexis Vs. Jason Von Flue
Jonathan Goulet Vs. Duane Ludwig

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shit, I'm almost more interested in seeing the televised fights...

[PEST BY TRADE]

Your sig pic is a sweet knock out video too.
Im looking forward to the natural ice rematch got to go with the iceman though.

[whoisisthis]

I'm betting on Chuck too


here's the whole clip of that staredown KO.

"he tried to kiss me on the lips like a homosexual! I'm not gay!"
http://www.youtube.com/w/Never-kiss-the-guy-durning-a-stare-down?v=v-cbSiD66CY&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

[askewcore]

UFC does a really good job of putting together pretty solid cards for their events. Diaz/Riggs should be a sweet fight. Ditto Vera/Eilers and Sobral/Van Arsdale. I like Buentello but I dont know anything about his opponent, and I dont know how good he really is because the competition in KotC is much weak then UFC. I'm glad to see Sinsoic coming back too. Also, is this Frank Mir's first fight back? He was hurt for a real long time wasnt he? My only beef with this card is the lack of Georges St. Pierre, but I think they're trying to build him up against one of the bigger names in his weight class before they try and have him fight Hughes again.

[PEST BY TRADE]

this isn't ufc but a good ko

http://www.break.com/index/cagefight.html

[Steam]

Also, is this Frank Mir's first fight back? He was hurt for a real long time wasnt he?

I hope he is full strength. The guy was awesome back in the day. I love how he punked out Sims after Sims got DQd in their first fight (I still say Sims could have won that fight though).

[Steam]

Chris Leben Vs. Jorge Rivera


For some reason that is the fight I'm most looking forward to.

[whoisisthis]

well it's a ways away still, and there's only two fights confrimed, but I'm stoked. I was hoping they'd set this one up:rockon"
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http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome
Franklin to Defend Title at UFC 58 Along with the Return of Penn

On March 4th, 2006, live from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, UFC will present UFC 58. Fresh off his impressive TKO victory over Evan Tanner in October of 2005, David “The Crow” Loiseau will get his first UFC title shot when he takes on UFC 185 pound champion, Rich “Ace” Franklin. This will be Franklin’s second title defense, his first defense came November of 2005, when he knocked out Nate Quarry in the first round.

UFC 58 will also showcase an epic welterweight battle that could also be a main event. BJ Penn will take on Georges St. Pierre to see who will fight for UFC‘s welterweight title. This will be BJ's first UFC fight since he defeated current welterweight champion Matt Hughes at UFC 46 in January of 2004. St. Pierre will bring the momentum of an undefeated 2005 year to hopefully get his rematch at Matt Hughes.

Here is the card thus far:
- Rich Franklin Vs. David Loiseau
- Georges St. Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
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man, as much as I think GSP is an evil machine, I can't count out Penn's super-jiu-jitsu. My money's on the chubby Hawaiian.

[Jim Beam]

cant wait for Mir vs Arlovsky, eventually

[Cromwell]

David “The Crow” Loiseau will get his first UFC title shot when he takes on UFC 185 pound champion, Rich “Ace” Franklin.



Yeah, I'm getting the tingles thinking about that one as well.

Truth be told, Tanner was *beating* "the crow" - until the old elbows started carving up Evan "the bleeders" face (the same way Franklin stopped him previously - not with elbows, but with the buildup of many straight punches to the face). Tanner just couldn't close-out the submit on the crow.

Franklin (who is amazing) has got to make sure Loiseau doesn't catch him with elbows. I've never seen Franklin get seriously cut up.

I gotta go with the animal schoolteacher.



This will be Franklin’s second title defense, his first defense came November of 2005, when he knocked out Nate Quarry in the first round.


Have they shown that match on regular tv yet?

UFC 58 will also showcase an epic welterweight battle that could also be a main event. BJ Penn will take on Georges St. Pierre to see who will fight for UFC‘s welterweight title. This will be BJ's first UFC fight since he defeated current welterweight champion Matt Hughes at UFC 46 in January of 2004.


Have they ever shown *that* match on Spike (or anywhere else on "free" tv)? I've never seen it. I've never see Hughes lose.



St. Pierre will bring the momentum of an undefeated 2005 year to hopefully get his rematch at Matt Hughes.

He better watch out for the Kimura.

There are some who have implied that St. Pierre was beating Hughes when he got the arm bar and had to tap out. Not true. He got one good kick in on Matt. The Mattster then took him down every time (gotta love those collegiate wrestlers from the midwest).

Thanks for the notify whoisisthis - I can't wait to see the results of these matches either.

[Papagolash]

I got a HDTV and the channel INHD has so many UFC matches going on, I love it. That along with The Ultimate Fighter's gotten me into UFC. Liddell = god

I'd love to see Jason Mayhem Miller get some more weight, and kick some ass.

[roche]

I got a HDTV and the channel INHD has so many UFC matches going on, I love it.

It seems like they just play the same from 9 months ago one over and over.... That is my only complaint.

[whoisisthis]

Have they ever shown *that* match on Spike (or anywhere else on "free" tv)? I've never seen it. I've never see Hughes lose.

hopefully this works.. UFC 46 Penn vs. Hughes
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=32CQT3CD

::edit:: ok, it works

[Cromwell]

Wow :icon_eek:

Thank you, whoisthis

That is friggin amazing.

I never thought I'd see Matt Hughes tapping out.

This guy Penn - he really dominated him. Rear naked choke? I never thought I'd see anybody putting that on Hughes.

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?

See - this is the problem with the Ultimate Fighter on Spike - there is far too much repitition shown - and they aren't filling in the gaps.

What's a great site to read that can fill in these gaps.

I really appreciate you linking up that match for download, whoisthis.

Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match? :icon_mrgr

[whoisisthis]

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?

noone. He left the UFC with the belt, due to some contract dispute, I believe.

I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly, and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds. But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit. That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.



Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match? :icon_mrgr

I can't find the whole thing, but here's the end
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7595855398915011338&q=franklin+quarry

[FreeTheCricket]

UFC 51 (I think) was on INHD tonight, and I got to watch the Vitor Belfort/Tito Ortiz fight. While not the best fight I have seen, it was amazing to watch these 2 giants of the UFC world pound each other. Ortiz looked like he was losing early, but he managed to put Belfort in enough holds and land enough blows that he won by decision.
It was a nice fight.

[askewcore]

I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly, and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds. But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit. That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.


Hell yeah it is. Hughes is incredible, but he hasn't really been challenged much lately, except that one match when Trigg (I think) almost choked him out and then Matt dominated him. When you said BJ Penn has "Super jiu-jitsu" it was perfect, I cant wait for that rematch. Have they announced a date for it yet? If you, or anyone else already posted it, then I apologize for the dumb question in advance.

[whoisisthis]

I haven't heard anything. If anything, I'm counting on Penn to beat GSP, just so we can see the rematch with Hughes.

[askewcore]

Yeah, that match will probably be to see who gets their rematch first. I still think GSP is ready for Hughes again yet though. I'm definitly with you in wanting Penn to win. I like GSP though.

[Cromwell]

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?


noone. He left the UFC with the belt, due to some contract dispute, I believe.


“he left with the belt”. Obivously he had to leave it behind. But I get your point. No one beat him. So, you are saying that Penn has not lost any kind of match since then?


I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly


Which Rogan says a few times in that video you posted (thank you again)


and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds.


Without a doubt. And that’s what makes a true champion. Someone with oodles of talent - who continues to work hard to improve.


But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit.


Where? In one of the other rival leagues? (Which are what? Pride or something?)


That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.


I’m sure it chaps Hughes that he never got a chance to “clear his name”. Get his rematch.



Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match?



I can't find the whole thing, but here's the end
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7595855398915011338&q=franklin+quarry


Wow. Thanks for that. I had seen the knockout, but not the action leading up to it. I had heard from someone else that Franklin had bloodied up Quarry a lot up to that point. I can see how ravaged his face is there. Franklin is a dominating fighter. Who, in your opinion, can beat him?


Hell yeah it is. Hughes is incredible, but he hasn't really been challenged much lately, except that one match when Trigg (I think) almost choked him out and then Matt dominated him.


Well, in fairness to Hughes - “twinkletoes” kicked him in the balls first - *thats* why Hughes went down. Then twinkie went in for the pummelling. I credit the ref for not ending it right there - and allowing Matt the opportunities to mount that chill-inducing incredible comeback. I mean - think about it. You’ve been kicked in the balls - your down on your back - and Triggs is just pounding away on you. Somehow - you survive that assault - then actually straighten yourself out - and pick the guy up - only to deliver the patented “slammo to the mat”. That my friend, is a true champion. Champion heart.



When you said BJ Penn has "Super jiu-jitsu" it was perfect, I cant wait for that rematch.

Me either dude.

[whoisisthis]

Where? In one of the other rival leagues? (Which are what? Pride or something?)


since he left UFC, he's beat Rodrigo Gracie in Rumble on the Rock, and Renzo Gracie in K1. Both in Hawaii

and some other really good fighters. He beat Duane Ludwig, Machida, and I forget who else...

[whoisisthis]

if you get HDNET, Wold Extreme Cagefighting starts tonight at 9:30 ET


http://www.wec.tv/

[Diceman Cometh]

How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.

The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

[Tickle The Bag]

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture

That is the fight that I wanna see.

[Cromwell]

ON Penn:

since he left UFC, he's beat Rodrigo Gracie in Rumble on the Rock, and Renzo Gracie in K1. Both in Hawaii

and some other really good fighters. He beat Duane Ludwig, Machida, and I forget who else...

So - he's unbeaten then. Hasn't lost once since leaving the UFC.

Certainly a formidable challenged for the great Matt Hughes. But, he can't look past GSP first.

How did they lure him back? Wave enough money in his face?


if you get HDNET, Wold Extreme Cagefighting starts tonight at 9:30 ET


http://www.wec.tv/

Sadly I don't get this one. How do you get it?


How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.


I had heard Pride was full of nothing but fat bastards.

When is their show on?



The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

Those are two great fights - no doubt. But you can dismiss the excitement that Hughes brings to the sport.



That is the fight that I wanna see.

Yeah - Lidell - Couture should be a good one, no doubt. Everybody knows about Chuck's devastating knockout power - does Couture (despite his great fitness) still have what it takes to win (considering his advancing age)?

[askewcore]

I'm not 100% but I think Pride is only on PPV, thats the only time I ever catch them. Theyre not full of "fat bastards" but they have a lot of those stocky built gooks in there. They do have a really nice heavyweight division, Rampage Jackson and Gary Goodridge both fight over there a pretty good amount. They also will stop the action and stand the fighters up a shitload more often then UFC. The fighters are less known guys in the States (for the most part) but they consistently put on really good shows. Plus, Bas Rutten is the color commentator and he's the man.

[whoisisthis]

How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.

The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

you're absolutely right. PRIDE is amazing. Where else do you get to see Wand?


I'be been catching rebroadcasts on FOX Sports, I don't know if that's a new thing, or I've been missing out or what...

[locallounge]

Jan. 16th, UFC: Ultimate Fight Night...LIVE on SpikeTV!

Tim Sylvia vs Assuerio Silva

Stephan Bonnar vs James Irvin

Drew Fickett vs Josh Burkman

Chris Leben vs Jorge Rivera


(Dark Matches)
Spencer Fisher vs Aaron Riley

Alex Karalexis vs Jason Von Flue

Jonathan Goulet vs Duane Ludwig

Melvin Guillard vs Josh Neer


This will be a free event live on Spike TV Monday Jan 16th, basically to promote the upcoming PPV with Randy Couture vs Chuck Liddell.
The lineup was taken from the UFC website. Go to http://www.ufc.tv

[Tickle The Bag]

I dont see a time. Guessing 9PM?

[whoisisthis]

hoo hoo

http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=37711

[locallounge]

hoo hoo

http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=37711

I invented posting fight threads.

Anyways, the UFC is supposed to make a HUGE announcement Mondey, during the event. Can't wait!

[whoisisthis]

Throughout UFC history, there have been many groundbreaking announcements, moments that have both stunned and thrilled fight fans. But there's never been anything like this.On Monday, January 16th, during the Spike TV broadcast of Ultimate Fight Night 3, the UFC will raise the bar once again by announcing the biggest news in the organization's history, something that will stun the world of mixed martial arts.Don't miss this landmark moment in MMA history on Monday night. The Spike TV broadcast begins at 10pm ET/PT.

hmm...

wonder what it is. Maybe a merger? sanctioning?

[Tickle The Bag]

hmm...

wonder what it is. Maybe a merger? sanctioning?

the sanctioning would be a fucking huge announcement. Now you have me thinking.

[locallounge]

TONIGHT ON SPIKE!!!

UFC: Best of 2005 - 6pm-9pm

Ultimate Fight Night 3 - 9pm-11pm

I am in central time zone, so do the math or check your local listings for time in your area.

[Cromwell]

taken from the UFC website. Go to http://www.ufc.tv

Hey, thanks for pointing out that site, locallounge.

I especially enjoyed reading the fighters Blogs.

Good to read what Matt Hughes has been up to lately:

January 3, 2006 - Illinois

Not a whole lot has been going on....

I've been lifting some weights with the hope of putting on some size....

I was watching some past fights and realized I was a little bigger than now...

I hope to fight as soon as I can, hopefully against Karo....

Lets see if Karo can stay healthy this time.

I see he mentions GSP and Penn in another entry as well:

November 21 , 2005 - Illinois
My fight with Joe didn't seem like a fight, it seemed like practice, it was no big deal...

I understand the Pierre wants a fight at the title, he has already had a chance...

I'm not sure if he is going to fight me or BJ...

I wasn’t overly impressed with Pierre's hands, Sherk caught him a few time, overall he is a good competitor...

Anyway, I'm psyched for tonights fights!

[locallounge]

No problem. Anything to help bring more awareness to MMA.:clap:

Anyways, keep an eye out for the big announcement(s) UFC has in store. I hope it's something good...

[whoisisthis]

so far, on all the MMA boards, I've heard all kinds of rumors/inside info..

from a PRIDE merger, to the return of the LW division, to a new womans division, to fighters able to have multiple fights a night, and a few others

nothing too exciting, really

[locallounge]

Royce vs Hughes?

UFC @ Staples?

Return of the Lightweights?

Whatever it is, it better be something kickass!!!


Anybody have predictions for tonights fights???

[locallounge]

As far as Non-UFC MMA goes, I also heard that Frank Shamrock may return to fighting. That dude was good. Hope he doesn't comeback and get his ass kicked like Ken has lately.

[crescentwrench]

Big announcement is!!!!! *Drumroll*


Royce vs. Hughes.


Wow Dana, what a revolution. Fucker. Big letdown jagoff.

[whoisisthis]

get the fuck out of here. "landmark moment in MMA?" gay.




oh yeah.... Royce by armbar

[Papagolash]

OK 2 questions about tonights 4 hours of UFC. In the taped show, Who was the guy Tim Silvia faught and knocked out with a kick to the head? What's up with his chest. Anyone know why he has no Pec there?

And speaking of oddities, that French Canadian that got knocked out in 11 seconds, anyone notice his pupil looking like it was leaking out into his eye? What condition is that?

[whoisisthis]

I have it DVR'ed and didn't watch it yet, but I bet you're talking about Tre Telligman?

I heard it was from a car accident when he was a kid. He loses alot, but it's pretty cool that he does as good as he does without a pec:icon_eek:

[crescentwrench]

For some reason I want to say Telligman's missing pec came from a dog attack. At least I think that's what they said on his first UFC appearance way back when.

As to the pupil thing, I've seen people like that. Just a fucked up iris as far as I know.

The landmark moment in MMA was more WWF than anything. Instead of Dana White we needed Jim Ross screaming, "My GOD, the it's the Undertaker!!"

Oh, and assuming Royce doesn't get special rules like no time limit and no judges decision Hughes will win by decision.

Edit: Telligman was run over when he was 1 year old and it bent his sternum and crushed his chest cavity. I swear to God someone said something about a dog a long time ago.

[whoisisthis]

just watched it...good fights...

Bang kicked ass about as much as I expected him to. He's a fucking badass. Although I think he was robbed for the fastest KO record.. that alot less than 11 seconds.

Silvia looked good, but I think it would have turned out different if he didn't hand on to the cage for dear life instead of being suplexed by Silva. That should have cost him the secision, imo.

I'm scared for Royce. He's my hero, but I think he's gonna get hurt badly. I'm pulling for him to catch Hughes in something, which can easily happen, but I think he'll pay dearly for it.

Also, I wonder how he'll adapt to the 3/3 rounds that were put in place since he's been away from UFC. I don't understand why he took this fight:huh:

[Papagolash]

I've never seen Royce Gracie fight, I'm going to have to look up vids for him. I dunno but just by looking at them 2 in the ring it looks like Hughes is all business and Gracie was just there for the spotlight

[askewcore]

I've never seen Royce Gracie fight, I'm going to have to look up vids for him. I dunno but just by looking at them 2 in the ring it looks like Hughes is all business and Gracie was just there for the spotlight

If you check out some of the older UFC (I think he won 1,2,and 4 but I'm not 100% on that) Royce was amazing. He's my favorite guy too and like whoisisthis I'm a little scared about this fight, I still think his BJJ will get him a victory via armbar or choke, but he's gonna take a lumping. That was still a pretty damn solid card last night...again. UFC very rarely disappoints me.

[Jay Douglas]

I think [Royce] won 1,2,and 4 but I'm not 100% on that.

You're right. Check out the first five UFC events to see Gracie in action and while I haven't seen it yet, I hear his performance at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 was good too.

[whoisisthis]

here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I don't know, but I'd never underestimate the psycho factor in Hughes head. :icon_mrgr

[beenhere47yeers]

hughes will destroy him. i almost feel bad.

[Cromwell]

Royce vs Hughes?



Wow - dude - you nailed it.

This should be interesting.

I've never seen Royce fight either.


here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html

For some reason that download isn't working for me. I've tried it a few times and I'm getting a "file not found" message at that hosting site.

As for the matches at Ultimate Fight Night 1/16/06,

I am impressed (again) with "smart alec" Chris Leben. He really caught Jorge Rivera on the button, and put him out.

However, the trash talking from Leben in reference to Franklin is a bit much. Though its nothing Quarry didn't say either.

I look forward to an eventual Franklin-Leben fight.

I was also impressed with Stephan Bonnar's submission of the powerfully built James Irvin. Man he had that arm bent waaay back. I thought he was going to snap it. Bonnar is a smart competitor with all the physical tools. I see his star continuing to rise.

Josh Burkman's dominance of Drew Fickett was an entertaining surprise as well. Burkman appears to be another rising star.

[Papagolash]

here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html


Thanks for the vid. Wasn't Gracie in the UFC doing the MMA while no one really did it? I'm thinking he may get pwned big time by Hughes. And what about that batch of fighters from The Ultimate Fighter 1? A bunch of them are showing they're the real deal. Bonnar, Leben, Griffen, Swick, Diego..... Bonnar/Griffen 2? Oh boy that'll be great.

[Cromwell]

Thanks for the vid.

Thanks for the tipoff to try again, papagolash.

I got it to work this time (from a different computer).

Wow - they wore Ghi's in those days. At least Gracie did.

And cool to see a young Big John McCarthy as the ref.

Funny to see the *corner* throw in the towel - and not the fighter tap-out themselves.

Also, the announcers were pretty corny. I'm glad Joe Rogan is on board now.

Good stuff!

Thanks :)

[whoisisthis]

Funny to see the *corner* throw in the towel - and not the fighter tap-out themselves.

haha, it's a wonder that noone got really fucked up back then. They let alot of those old fights go until one guy was pummeled into unconsciousness:icon_eek:

[whoisisthis]

Fight night replaying tonight on Spike TV for anyone who missed it.

[Cromwell]

haha, it's a wonder that noone got really fucked up back then. They let alot of those old fights go until one guy was pummeled into unconsciousness:icon_eek:

You *gotta* know my next question "whoisthis" :icon_mrgr

Got any links to any videos of *that stuff* :icon_cool

As for Gracie v. Hughes -- I've been talking to a lot of martial arts guys across the age (and skill level) spectrum - and the predictions are very mixed. Some say Hughes will dominate - some say Gracie will submit with superior arm-locking skills.

Should be a good one.

On another note - has anyone picked up the latest issues of Mens Fitness - the one with the feature on Rich Franklin. Did anyone read it? Is it worth picking up? I'm a big Franklin fan.

[crescentwrench]

Don't know, but I'd say it's worth it because that UFC ringgirl Rachelle Whatsherface is in it.

[Diceman Cometh]

To all you Gracie fans, don't forget....he will NOT be allowed to wear a Gi this time. Big disadvantage for him.


And PRIDE is not full of fat fucks....actually, their talent pool is far stronger than UFC's, especially the Heavyweight division. PRIDE's current champion, Fedor Emelianenko, is undefeated, and is the greatest MMA fighter alive. Even Arlovski said in a post-fight interview that the only way he'd step into the ring with Emelianenko is with a loaded gun.

[beenhere47yeers]

why r all these russians owning the heavy weight division? we need rocky balboa to go kick some ass.

[Cromwell]

Don't know, but I'd say it's worth it because that UFC ringgirl Rachelle Whatsherface is in it.

Good point, sir.

I'll just have to pick up a copy.


To all you Gracie fans, don't forget....he will NOT be allowed to wear a Gi this time. Big disadvantage for him.



Why? Why is that a "disadvantage? I would think that wearing a Ghi is bad for the person wearing it. Like, you could be grabed and held more - and being choked by your own Ghi.



And PRIDE is not full of fat fucks....actually, their talent pool is far stronger than UFC's, especially the Heavyweight division. PRIDE's current champion, Fedor Emelianenko, is undefeated, and is the greatest MMA fighter alive. Even Arlovski said in a post-fight interview that the only way he'd step into the ring with Emelianenko is with a loaded gun.

Well -then where is their show? Why the fuck isn't it on TV? Like Spike does with the UFC. Free TV - and then do the PPV thing?

It appears that Dana White/UFC/Zuffa is doing a much better job marketing itself.

You have to have easy access to something, to make it a success.

I *did* see a feature (finally) on Pride on "The Best Damn Sports Show" last night. But for the most part, Pride is getting blown away by UFC (media wise)

[whoisisthis]

PRIDE is in Japan... they have mad money, and pack stadiums. They're doing just fine. Alot of top shelf fighters won't fight in the UFC, cause it's chump change compared to PRIDE


in those early days, Royce said he liked the gi because it encouraged people to grab him, instead of hit.

[Cromwell]

PRIDE is in Japan... they have mad money, and pack stadiums. They're doing just fine. Alot of top shelf fighters won't fight in the UFC, cause it's chump change compared to PRIDE



Well - then get it on tv in the greatest country in the world!. (Not just one that we conquered :icon_cool Thank you, Oppenheimer)



in those early days, Royce said he liked the gi because it encouraged people to grab him, instead of hit.

You know everything 'whoisthis' :)

[whoisisthis]

I know, man. I think the way that the Spike/UFC thing is going, we can't be that far behind.

[Cromwell]

More MMA = more gooder :icon_cool

[whoisisthis]

UFC "Unleashed" tonight at 10pm ET

[crescentwrench]

A gi is an advantage because you can use it as a "third hand". You wrap your arm around a head, grab your own gi, and your other arm is free to do whatever. And there are chokes where you use your own gi too. It's main advantage imo is that it prevents slipout of a sub. An armbar by a guy in a gi is stuck, you ain't slipping out.

Of course these advantages have worn away as more and more people became aware of bjj. Matt Hughes definately isn't Keith Hackney. Matt would just pummel Royce in a gi.

Is unleashed a rerun?

[whoisisthis]

Matt Hughes definately isn't Keith Hackney.

Hughes has nothing on the man that killed Royce's undefeated UFC record
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7087/howard0pr.jpg

yeah, it's all old fights tonight.

[crescentwrench]

lol! Harold Howard and the Mullet of Power!

His Camarohair was so awesome that he won before the fight even started.

[locallounge]

Not exactly MMA, but in that vein...

Chuck Norris Presents: WORLD COMBAT LEAGUE
http://www.worldcombatleague.com

Here's a short video of the debut show, there are some people getting ktfo. Check it out: http://www.worldcombatleague.com/media/wmv/Debut.wmv

[Monkey_Hummer]

after watching the Gracie vid, it's amazing how far UFC has come.

This weekend's fight card looks pretty good:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=146

I hope Nick Diaz gets beat down again...

[Cromwell]

This weekend's fight card looks pretty good:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=146

I hope Nick Diaz gets beat down again...

I dunno - Diaz is a pretty tough guy and a skilled competitor. And isn't Joe Riggs fresh off an ass-****** at the hands of Matt Hughes? My money is on Diaz.


As for the other fight - what the hell - here are my predictions:

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture

Though I think Liddell will win - for some reason I'm rooting for the "old guy" to win. (Maybe that's 'cause I'm an "old guy" myself :icon_cool )

Frank Mir Vs. Marcio Cruz

Mir should win.

Renato Sobral Vs. Mike Van Arsdale

"Babalu" will take this one



Alessio Sakara Vs. Elvis Sinosic

Sakara may pull this one out with his ju-jitsu skills.


Brandon Vera Vs. Justin Eilers
Paul Buentello Vs. Gilbert Aldana
Jeff Monson Vs. Branden Lee Hinkle


I don't know enough about any of these guys to make a pick.

Keith Jardine Vs. Mike Whitehead

Wow!

Mike "quitter" Whitehead returns. This is a surprise. When last we saw him, Matt Hughes was disgustedly turning his back on his "friend" (after the embarrasing loss on UFC2 to that schwoogie from Michigan (I forgot the guys name).

Anyway, at least *some* of these fights are of interest to me.

[askewcore]

If you've never seen Buentello you'll probably like him. He doesnt really have any raw talent, he's just a tought son of a bitch with nasty hands. I dont know his opponent, but I'm kind of thinking UFC will set him up to smash this guy. I'm pretty sure Buentello was the last guy to be sacrificed to Arlovsky, he was the Heavyweight champ in King of the Cage before going over to UFC.

The Vera/Eilers fight should be pretty good and evenly matched.

And you were right about Riggs just getting ***** by Hughes. I hate both Riggs and Diaz so I dont really care who wins, so long as someone gets hurt.

[whoisisthis]

the Riggs.Diaz match should be great


both of them know that they need to win if they wanna stay with the UFC.

[Kid Brock]

Wasn't that mullet having Harold Howard the one who "beat" Royce because he couldn't even start the fight from injury earlier in the night?

That is back when that fat ass Emmanual Yarborough (600 lbs) tried to fight. Stick to Sumo fatty.

[askewcore]

I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though

[crescentwrench]

Karma's a beeyotch for Pauly B. He's toned it down a bit I hear but he used to be a piece of shit. He started off in TKD and was basically a black belt who hung out in the purple division just so he could fight in God mode. Then he fought in local shows around Amarillo the same way. I never saw him fight anyone over like 5'10", except Evan Tanner who destroyed him.

Like I said though, I hear he's changed his act and humbled a bit. Maybe he was just getting the punk kid out of his system.

[askewcore]

I didnt ever hear any of the earlier shit you mentioned, but thinking about it, it does kind of make sense. That may be he hung around King of the Cage (which is pretty much a glorified MMA minor league) as champion for so long, beating what really amounted to a bunch of nobodys. Then he wanted to make some real money and he got butchered. Like I said earlier, he doesnt seem to have any real talent, just good hands and that will get you wins in KotC but not UFC.

Diego Sanchez was the middleweight KotC champ for a while before TUF show and I still think UFC is babying him with the opponents they give him.

Edit: your new sig is great too crescent...

[crescentwrench]

Yeah he would make the circuit through the Southwest in super tiny promotions. If KotC was minor leagues he was honing his skills in 9th grade JV.

I think that's kinda what made him that way. He was King Shit around there, well after the local A-listers. I think getting his beatins has changed him a bit. I don't really see any of that in his eyes anymore. And I'm glad. Because now I can be a giant homer and root for him.

[Cromwell]

Not exactly MMA, but in that vein...

Chuck Norris Presents: WORLD COMBAT LEAGUE
http://www.worldcombatleague.com

Here's a short video of the debut show, there are some people getting ktfo. Check it out: http://www.worldcombatleague.com/media/wmv/Debut.wmv


Thanks for this notify and link, localounge. I wasn’t aware of this. I checked it out and it looks pretty good. More competition in the growing field of sports/entertainment MMA.


I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though

It looks like Chuck Norris’ new league here is sort of like “tournament style”.



the Riggs.Diaz match should be great


both of them know that they need to win if they wanna stay with the UFC.

Good point. That is such a loaded weightclass. I just watched some Diaz on DVD last night. He looked good and has knockout power. He’s a pretty complete fighter.


Diego Sanchez was the middleweight KotC champ for a while before TUF show and I still think UFC is babying him with the opponents they give him.


Diaz was outmatched by a slightly superior Sanchez.

What weight is Sanchez fighting at these days? 185 or 170?

[velvet_elvis]

Sanchez is now fighting @ 170...

[Yukon_1449]

I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though


I agree, the tournament was better, but it also invited more injuries. Look at UFC 3. Some cop from Omaha wins because Gracie got injured and Ken quit the tournament because he wanted to fight only Gracie. They threw this guy (Steve Jenum I believe) into the final round. He was fresh and the others were not.

The older UFC's did provide us with the nut bashing event that was Kieth Hackney's fist Vs. Joe Son's balls (guy from first Austin Powers). They should have done that on Superball today. A MMA fighter puching these guys in the nuts.

[whoisisthis]

They threw this guy (Steve Jenum I believe) into the final round. He was fresh and the others were not..

ha! I remember that guy.. I think he was some sort of ninja


man, those old UFC's were great. Underground and dirty. I remember being like 14 or 15, waiting anxiously for the latest one to hit the rental store.


good times

[Yukon_1449]

Yeah, there was nothing else like the old ones. We were around 17 when UFC 6 was going to be close, so we took off to Casper Wy and got 2nd row for the fights. Did the same for several after that. The fighters are all great. They all took pics with us at the after party.

If you have not been, you need to go and check it out. If they still have the after party, buy the tickets and go. Great time.

[Cromwell]

LAS VEGAS, February 4 – Chuck Liddell won the battle and the war.

Before a sold-out Mandalay Bay Events Center Saturday night, ‘The Iceman’ retained his UFC light heavyweight crown with a second round TKO of Randy Couture, giving him the final 2-1 edge in the trilogy between the light heavyweight greats. After the bout, Couture, 42, the only fighter in UFC history to win the heavyweight and light heavyweight titles, announced his retirement, leaving barely a dry eye in the house.

“I’m retiring tonight,” said Couture. “This is it for me. I feel blessed to have been able to come in here and compete.”

As for the fight itself, after a pair of unforgettable openings (Couture to AC/DC’s ‘Thunderstruck’ and Liddell to DMX’s ‘Intro’) that put the crowd on their feet and kept them there, the two future hall of famers circled each other warily, looking for openings as the crowd alternately cheered for their favorite fighter. Each brief exchange brought a roar, but neither was willing to commit to a sustained attack. Liddell was the more active of the two though as Couture looked to counter the strikes of ‘The Iceman’. Couture continued to stalk behind a high guard, and his sporadic strikes seemed to take Liddell out of his rhythm. Liddell quickly recovered though, rocking Couture briefly with a right to the head. But as Liddell moved in for the kill, Couture, his nose now bloodied, was able to recover and take the champion to the mat for the remainder of the round.

Couture refused to deviate from his fight plan in the second round, as he followed Liddell around the Octagon while throwing in the occasional counter to Liddell’s heavier shots. But soon, Couture’s luck ran out, and as he shot in with a left hand, Liddell landed the same short right hand that ended the pair’s second fight, and Couture again crashed limply to the mat. Liddell’s follow-up shots on the fallen Couture were exclamation marks on the victory, and referee John McCarthy called a stop to the bout at 1:28 of the second stanza.

[glenlivet]

anyone know of a good torrent site for mma?

how about one for ufc 57?

[Cromwell]

anyone know of a good torrent site for mma?

how about one for ufc 57?

Yeah - I'd be interested in seeing any video of the "PPV MMA" events as well.

By the way - check this stuff out:

Elite Grappler gets tapped by white belt in competition


http://www.bjjfighter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=217

Go "white belts" :icon_mrgr

[Papagolash]

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.

Riggs reportedly decided against pressing charges.

[whoisisthis]

Elite Grappler gets tapped by white belt in competition


http://www.bjjfighter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=217

Go "white belts" :icon_mrgr
that was awesome!


here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn

[Kid Brock]

Word around here is that Diaz and his boys jumped Riggs after the fight.

He is notorious for always thinking he was screwed out of a win, he never thinks he actually gets out fought. He has acted up before after fights, do not be suprised if Dana White throws him out of the UFC for awhile.


SHUTUP AND TAKE YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN YOU WHINY BITCH!

p.s. Don't tell him I said that he could kill me if he wanted.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Diaz is a straight up street brawler, if he had more self discipline he'd act like a man and learn from his mistake and grow from it.

[Yukon_1449]

here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn[/QUOTE]



Great vid, I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.

How awesome was it to see Eilers and Mir get beat down. Love it. I can't stand those guys.

[Cromwell]

that was awesome!


Yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive. Considering that Roy Nelson had beaten Frank Mir and Diego Sanchez in submission grappling tournaments prior to that. Just goes to show you’ve got to always be ready.


here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn

Very cool, whoisisthis. I liked seeing that one a lot.

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.


Man, that is some serious bad blood. I know Diaz is a hothead, but that’s taking a “sport competition” too far. Anyway, his actual beef should be with the judges.


Word around here is that Diaz and his boys jumped Riggs after the fight.


Where were Riggs “boys”?


He is notorious for always thinking he was screwed out of a win, he never thinks he actually gets out fought.


Right. Its what he said after he lost that close decision to Sanchez. But, Diego *did* beat him.


He has acted up before after fights, do not be suprised if Dana White throws him out of the UFC for awhile.


Well, he wouldn’t be getting any primetime slots after this loss anyway. I suppose he can head over to Pride or Chuck Norris’ new league.


SHUTUP AND TAKE YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN YOU WHINY BITCH!


Agreed.


I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.


Indeed.

That fight and Franklin v. The Crow should be awesome.

[whoisisthis]

Great vid, I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.

yeah, it's gonna kick ass



but his rematch with Hughes is gonna be epic! I can't wait..

[IDontCare05]

Dam I wish I saw this thread earlier....It was a great fight but I was very sad to see Randy retire.

Can't wait for the next UFC fight.

[whoisisthis]

yeah, that was pretty touching



he went out like a champ

[whoisisthis]

here's a few UFC 57 fight videos

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=UFC+57&search_type=search_videos

[Yukon_1449]

Thanks for the link. Now I can watch Eilers get beat down over and over again. I love it when the croation sedation fighters go down.

[locallounge]

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.

Riggs reportedly decided against pressing charges.

Nick Diaz radio interview:

Part 1: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748657&FID=1&pc=23

Part 2: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748714&FID=1&pc=6

[Cromwell]

Nick Diaz radio interview:

Part 1: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748657&FID=1&pc=23

Part 2: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748714&FID=1&pc=6

Fuckin' cool!

Thanks man.

[locallounge]

Here is a Joe Riggs interview, which took place before the Diaz interview...

http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Riggs-Hospital-Interview---Part-1

http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Riggs-Hospital-Interview---Part-2

[whoisisthis]

good find, LL!

[Yukon_1449]

Great audio, thanks for the link Local.

[Cromwell]

Great find (again) LL.

Ha, ha - Riggs now wants "fat head" Leben :icon_mrgr

Is one of the interviewers Frank Triggs?

What show is this?

Where is it originally aired?

[Palerider4146]

First of all great job to whoever started this thread and took it out of the BS "wrestling" threads. By the way, to show you how my interests in MMA have been brought back, I shelled out the $40 for the PPV, cant wait for my wife to see the next cable bill!

Although it sucks to see Couture go out like that, it was a fitting "passing of the torch". Two KO's like that may be a big enough of a sign.

I actually like Mir and it sucked to see him go down like that, reminiscant of the Kenny Florian elbow to Chris Leban. I think given the time Mir could have come back.

Babalu should get a title shot but I do believe Chuck will KO him. I also wouldnt mind to see that guy who KO'd Eilers to come down to 205, that kid was pretty impressive. Also should be a interesting match with Tito's return to the UFC against Forrest Griffin. By the way what happened to Bonner, havnt heard much of him lately. Wasnt he a student of Carlson Gracie by the way?

In regards to Diaz, he is a little baby. Yeah he rocked Riggs in the first round, which I guess you could give him the round for, but other than that he did nothing. Joe Rogan gave him the first 2 rounds, but that just may have been the coke talking. Riggs out boxed him the whole fight. Diaz has had some good fights, but he talked a lot of shit about Diego and Riggs, and they both beat him. Time for the little hood rat to grow up. I also think Riggs may want to stay at 185, he looked real tired from cutting all the weight. By the way, that bald heavyweight (forget his name) who is the no gui Jui Jitsu world champ was pretty impressive, wouldnt mind seeing him fight again. MMA is really "growing up" and hopefully becoming more mainstream.

One question, does anyone know if the UFC is "officially sanctioned" like boxing is, and does it really make a difference.

One more note of interest, last weeks Sports Illustrated's what to watch on TV actually had the UFC 57 PPV listed, baby steps to the mainstream.

[Yukon_1449]

One question, does anyone know if the UFC is "officially sanctioned" like boxing is, and does it really make a difference.

Yes the UFC is offcially sanctioned by the Las Vegas, New Jersey, and NY boxing commisions. It makes a huge difference in the sport. Without the sanction, UFC or any high profile MMA event would be outlawed in the US because it is "brutal" (even though more people die to boxing injuries every year). Before the sanctions, they had to hold the events in Wyoming, Lousiana, Georgia, etc in cities that welcomed them and states without boxing commisions.

An example, I was in the lobby of the Westin in Detroit before UFC 9. The afternoon before the fight, all the buzz was that a group had sued to stop the event that day. The judge ruled it could go on but they could only strike with and open hand, like they do in Pancrase. That is why if you watch the Shamrock v Severn II fight from UFC 9, Ken is only fighting with open hand strikes. He did not even want to fight and was going to back out before his dad talked him into staying. Sanctioning has helped to avoid these types of situations.

[Palerider4146]

Thanks Yukon I wasnt sure. I actually do remember the early UFC days fighting from East Bumfuck, MS and places like that. I just thought since the UFC implemented more "humane" rules that the big markets began to tolerate it again. By the way, are there more frequent PPV's than usual this year. I just got back in the UFC after the TUF 1 show, but besides this last PPV their are already PPV's set for March, April and May. Is this more than normal. Also seems that the UFC will be sanctioned in California as of next month.
V

[Yukon_1449]

Pale, not sure on the reasons for increased PPV events. I was wondering the same thing. My best guess is that they are possibly trying to keep up with Pride FC since they have PPV on more then UFC. Also, they could be trying to capitalize on the TUF shows since they have brought in alot of new fans and brought back old ones.

AS for Cal, yes, I understand MMA will be sanctioned there. Frank Shamrock is supposed to make his fighting return by taking on Cesar Gracie in March. (non UFC) http://www.frankshamrock.com/ Fight will be in San Jose. I can't wait to see if Frank still has it. That guy went out on top. If anyone has not seen it, check out Frank V. Tito. One of the best fights ever.

[whoisisthis]

Frank Shamrock is supposed to make his fighting return by taking on Cesar Gracie in March.

it's good to see Shamrock back in the game..


I predict bad things for Gracie

[Yukon_1449]

it's good to see Shamrock back in the game..


I predict bad things for Gracie


Yeah, if Shamrock is even close to where he was when he left, Gracie will be in big trouble. It could be a real bad year for the Gracie family. With Cesar fighting Frank, and Royce returning to fight Hughes, it could be ugly. Royce does not stand a chance. I may acutally have to cheer for Royce, just for old times sake.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I know this thread is mostly UFC, but there ain't shit on TV right now and I'm watching Chuck Liddell vs. Quentin Rampage in Pride...I dunno when this fight was, I think they said it was two years ago. Chuck got fuckin ROCKED by this Rampage-guy. He got staggered a bunch of times in the first round, his corner threw in the towel in the 5 minute overtime

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

[Yukon_1449]

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

Opinions will vary, esp with those who have never seen or heard of Pride, but this is my take since I follow both. The difference between the 2 is that Pride is like watching the majors and UFC is more like the minors. Both are pros but one just looks so much better then the other. That is not to take away from the UFC. Pride has a deeper pool of fighters at every weight level. The best UFC fighters would be mid to above average fighters in Pride. Many UFC fighters have gone on to Pride and done well. The prob is the UFC pays their fighters in goats and chickens and the Pride fighters get alot of money to fight (hopefully some gisha girls as well). Pride sells out large areans that hold tens of thousands of fans. It is gigantic in Japan.

The good thing for the UFC is that their PPV buy numbers have been fantastic. I think they had over 300,000 buys for the last show, and this next show should be terrific. The TUF show has brought many new fans in. This will hopefully mean more money for fighters so the can keep them. In a Pride show, all the fights are usually fantasitic. With the UFC, there are always a couple where I am on the floor laughing because the fighters are not that good ie. a couple of UFC's ago.

Rules are another problem, in the UFC, you can't kick while they are down, knee on ground or prone, foot stomp on ground. In Pride, it is all legal. The only thing you can't do is headbutt, eye gouge, and fish hook (the UFC used to be)

I love both and support both. Hell I started watching UFC 3 and went to my first live fight at UFC 6. I have been to several since then. IF you like UFC, watch a whole Pride, the fighters are all amazing, there are some real killers over there. There is a Pride coming up in a few weeks, but I am not sure who is fighting, some of the big names fought the 1st of January.

As for that fight with Chuck and Quentin, Quentin is an animal and is one of the best fighters out there. Being able to beat that guy is no small task.

I know this was long but I hope it helps.

[locallounge]

Below are links to an article and movie review of an Anti-American film made in Turkey, featuring Tito Ortiz:

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4700154.stm
----------------------------------------------------------------------

AP Movie Review:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/movies/article.adp?id=20060202084309990001

In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents
Gary Busey, Billy Zane Co-Star in Anti-American Film
By BENJAMIN HARVEY, AP

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

More at link...

[Yukon_1449]

Below are links to an article and movie review of an Anti-American film made in Turkey, featuring Tito Ortiz:

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4700154.stm
----------------------------------------------------------------------

AP Movie Review:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/movies/article.adp?id=20060202084309990001

In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents
Gary Busey, Billy Zane Co-Star in Anti-American Film
By BENJAMIN HARVEY, AP

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

More at link...


As if I didn't need any more reason to hate Tito, this is it. Not only do I hope he gets his face kicked against Forest. After the fight, I hope the ambulance drives out of the parking lot, hits a pregant lady, his gurney goes flying out of the ambulance when they hit the breaks and he lands in a puddle of AIDS.

[whoisisthis]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159

4/16/06
Tito Ortiz Vs. Forrest Griffin


I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.

[whoisisthis]

I know this thread is mostly UFC, but there ain't shit on TV right now and I'm watching Chuck Liddell vs. Quentin Rampage in Pride...I dunno when this fight was, I think they said it was two years ago. Chuck got fuckin ROCKED by this Rampage-guy. He got staggered a bunch of times in the first round, his corner threw in the towel in the 5 minute overtime

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

besides the different fighters(PRIDEs HW div owns, imo), the ring vs. octagon is a huge difference


The octagon tend to favor groundfighters who like to stack their opponent against the fence asap, and keep them there, where as the ring seems to keep things on two feet, or nice fast-paced grappling.

[locallounge]

Not exactly MMA, but here is a link to a video of Kurt Angle vs Daniel Puder. It doesn't exactly look like a work, but who knows. There are rumors about the story behind this match, if anybody knows more feel free to post.
Anyways, Daniel Puder will be in a MMA fight as part of the upcoming Frank Shamrock vs Cesar Gracie fight on March 10th.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Daniel-Puder-vs-Kurt-Angle?v=txUQwaHBdo4&search=ufc

[Steam]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159



I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.

I'm hoping that that happens too. You have to wonder who Dana White will be pulling for in that one. On one hand he has had numerous problems with Tito in the past and Forrest is a TUF product but on the other he probably had to throw some big money Tito's way and a loss to Forrest will jeopardize the marketability of Ortiz/Shamrock II. Although I am sure they get into it pretty good during TUF 3 that that alone should help market it.

When does the St.Pierre/Penn winner face Hughes? Must be after Hughes gets hugged by Gracie for five rounds.

[Maynard James K]

Just came across this, don't know if you guys saw this yet.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/jblank31/Riggs_Diaz_111.jpg

[Papagolash]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159



I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.


I have a feeling Forrest is going to beat the shit outta Tito.

[Papagolash]

Not exactly MMA, but here is a link to a video of Kurt Angle vs Daniel Puder. It doesn't exactly look like a work, but who knows. There are rumors about the story behind this match, if anybody knows more feel free to post.
Anyways, Daniel Puder will be in a MMA fight as part of the upcoming Frank Shamrock vs Cesar Gracie fight on March 10th.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Daniel-Puder-vs-Kurt-Angle?v=txUQwaHBdo4&search=ufc


Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

oh GOD I'd love to see Forrest beat the shit outta Tito...enough of the Mexican & American flags, we get it, your parents crossed the highway

I want Forrest to win...he probably won't (if he loses, hopefully it'll be in 3 and to a cheesy cut or something like that).

Arlovsky - Silvia...please make it go 12 rounds. Arlovsky is well beyond brutal and Silvia only lost to Mir cause he didnt' drink his milk ;)

[whoisisthis]

Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.


wow.. I need to see that!

[Palerider4146]

Arlovsky - Silvia...please make it go 12 rounds. Arlovsky is well beyond brutal and Silvia only lost to Mir cause he didnt' drink his milk ;)

God damn that's a great line. I only saw the end of that fight recently on the last PPV during their intro of Mir. That was a horribile arm bar break. What happened afterwards, did Silvia run out of the cage, fall down, or just stair around wondering why the ref stopped the fight. All I know is that I have worked EMS in NYC for 17 years and shit like that still gets me a big queezy.

[Yukon_1449]

Hey guys, just thought I would remind you that there is a Pride FC this Sunday. Looks like a pretty good card. No Cro Cop or Fedor but should be good card. Quentin Jackson, Nogueira, Rizzo, Coleman, Josh "Jelly Donut" Barnett, Sperry, and many more. If you have not watched, check it out and compare with the UFC a week after that.

[locallounge]

Hey guys, just thought I would remind you that there is a Pride FC this Sunday. Looks like a pretty good card. No Cro Cop or Fedor but should be good card. Quentin Jackson, Nogueira, Rizzo, Coleman, Josh "Jelly Donut" Barnett, Sperry, and many more. If you have not watched, check it out and compare with the UFC a week after that.


PRIDE 31 UNBREAKABLE - FEBRUARY 26TH - SAITAMA SUPER ARENA

- ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA vs KIYOSHI TAMURA

- JOSH BARNETT vs KAZUHIRO NAKAMURA

- QUINTON RAMPAGE JACKSON vs YOON DONG SIK

- JOHN OLAV EINEMO vs FABRICIO WERDUM

- PEDRO RIZZO vs ROMAN ZENTSOV

- SERGEY KHARITONOV vs ALISTAIR OVEREEM

- MAURICIO SHOGUN RUA vs MARK COLEMAN

- MARK HUNT vs NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE

- TSUYOSHI KOSAKA vs MARIO SPERRY

[askewcore]

thats a really good card. its a ppv right? either way, any card with mark the hammer coleman gets my money

[locallounge]

thats a really good card. its a ppv right? either way, any card with mark the hammer coleman gets my money

Yes, it is on PPV this Sunday. BE THERE!:icon_eek:


Here is the official fight line-up, according to Pride/DSE.

1. Pedro Rizzo vs. Roman Zentsov

2. Rampage Jackson vs. Yoon Dong Sik

3. Jon Olav Einemo vs. Fabricio Werdum

4. Tsuyoshi Kosaka vs. Mario Sperry

5. Sergei Kharitonov vs. Alistair Overeem

Intermission

6. Josh Barnett vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura

7. Rodrigo Minotauro vs. Kiyoshi Tamura

8. Mauricio Shogun vs. Mark Coleman

9. Mark Hunt vs. Yosuke Nishijima

More info visit: http://www.pridefc.com/

[whoisisthis]

wow! that's a great card

[BouquetOSeaweed]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

[askewcore]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

Are you kidding?

Kosaka/Sperry
Barnett/Nakamura
Shogun/Coleman
are all good fights then you have Rampage,Rizzo and Minotauro are all fighting. Thats a damn solid night of fighting scheduled.

My only beef, more GOMI. Pride should never have a PPV anymore without Gomi in it.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.

I hope Coleman will give a good fight, but do you really care about TK and Nakamura? With all the big names on the show they could have given us fights like Rampage/Shogun and Nog/Hunt.

[Yukon_1449]

There is nothing that will bring a smile to my face quicker then when I get to witness somebody just kicking the shit out of Coleman. I hope that fights ends quickly and very violently for roid boy, lots of head stomps and knees to the head.

[whoisisthis]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

oh man... TK vs. Sperry alone is worth watching it...


I agree about Rampage/Shogun though.. that would rule


Coleman really needs to retire... for good this time

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

[askewcore]

Wasn't Frankling training out in Iowa with the Miletich camp when he first broke in?

If you really wanna be a pro fighter, you gotta quit your job and go balls out after it. Most of us aren't willing to our livelyhood on the line like that, and if you have a family you pretty much cant. So we end up working our normal jobs....thats what I think.

[locallounge]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.

I hope Coleman will give a good fight, but do you really care about TK and Nakamura? With all the big names on the show they could have given us fights like Rampage/Shogun and Nog/Hunt.


I have not seen TK in a while, so it will be interesting to watch him vs Sperry. TK actually just gave up a belt in another fight promotion to accept this fight in Pride.
Rampage already fought Shogun, I don't think he liked it much. Plus, this could be Rampages final fight with Pride, so they may not want to give him a loss, in hopes that he will re-sign.
Also, I heard they are thinking of making Hunt the next opponent for Fedor, so they may not want him to be s-canned by Nogs.
I think there are many mismatches on this card, because Pride has an Open Weight GP Tourny coming in May, and they are looking to see how some of the smaller guys will match up, hence the Coleman/Shogun, Overeem/Sergei, etc.
IMO, this is a somewhat weak PPV for Pride, but is pretty strong compared to most UFC PPVs.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

I am not a Pride hater, but I would rather watch Franklin vs Loiseau or Penn vs GSP over any fight on this card.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

What are the differences between Pride, K1, Bushido, UFC, etc...?

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I am not a Pride hater, but I would rather watch Franklin vs Loiseau or Penn vs GSP over any fight on this card.
The Penn Vs Pierre fight is going to be amazing! I can't wait.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

What are the differences between Pride, K1, Bushido, UFC, etc...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts#Rules_variations

The main differences are elbows in the UFC and knees and kicks to a grounded opponent in Pride.

Bushido shows are Pride's smaller show, with smaller guys like Gomi and Krazy Horse. K-1 is usually kickboxing, but they do some MMA shows called HERO's.

[whoisisthis]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

quit your job and find sponsors


a good school with all the connections is a huge help too

[askewcore]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.


I dont think he's exclusive to the Bushido shows. He beat the shit out of Sakurai on New Year's Eve at Shockwave '05. That wasnt just the Bushido guys in that show.

[locallounge]

Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.

Sorry. Try this. Btw, they say on this clip that he fought in the UFC, but I don't know that to be true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT9lWxGHPsw&search=puder

[askewcore]

It sure did look like Angle was gonna tao from that kimura if the ref didnt count three.

[whoisisthis]

wow!


I wish I knew what Angle was saying to him right afterwards.

[whoisisthis]

Btw, they say on this clip that he fought in the UFC, but I don't know that to be true.


looks like you're right. This says he's 1-0, with his only pro fight being in Japan

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=8323

[CringeRadioWanted]

I'm pretty sure that whatever Angle said, it sure as hell wouldn't have gotten past the censors...how would you like to be a pro wrestler and have someone try to make his bones in a worked competition by shooting on you? That's the first time I've seen that clip, and the anger in Angle's eyes is REAL. If that were me in Puder's shoes, there would have been yellow loveliness running down both my legs.

Hmmm...let's show up one of the most respected athletes/wrestlers in a company, in an attempt to curry favor and get a job in a business where you have to work WITH someone to make a good match, not AGAINST them, per se. Great way to get a job, jackass...and even if he makes Angle tap in an attempt to get UFC to look at him, Angle wasn't ready for it, so it was the same effect as a sucker punch...utter crap.

[My Name Is Earl]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

Dude are you serious? Do you think that opportunity just fell into his lap? Rich graduated from college, was a full time teacher, but decided he wanted to fight instead. With no gym to train at he is mostly self-taught; him and Josh Rafferty would read books, watch videos, cleared out a shed in Rafferty's backyard and would train with eachother everyday. His story is one of the most inspiring in all of MMA as he is now one of the top p4p fighters in the world.

Edit: http://www.richfranklin.com/about.asp

[whoisisthis]

I'm pretty sure that whatever Angle said, it sure as hell wouldn't have gotten past the censors...how would you like to be a pro wrestler and have someone try to make his bones in a worked competition by shooting on you? That's the first time I've seen that clip, and the anger in Angle's eyes is REAL. If that were me in Puder's shoes, there would have been yellow loveliness running down both my legs.

Hmmm...let's show up one of the most respected athletes/wrestlers in a company, in an attempt to curry favor and get a job in a business where you have to work WITH someone to make a good match, not AGAINST them, per se. Great way to get a job, jackass...and even if he makes Angle tap in an attempt to get UFC to look at him, Angle wasn't ready for it, so it was the same effect as a sucker punch...utter crap.

when you put it that way, it was pretty fucked. What was he doing on WWE anyways?

[askewcore]

when you put it that way, it was pretty fucked. What was he doing on WWE anyways?

I'm pretty sure that was part of thier "Tough Enough" MTV reality show.

[CringeRadioWanted]

The Puder/Angle thing was part of the last Tough Enough competition, which was run during segments of Smackdown! because MTV cancelled the show, and WWE wanted to see if they could make it work during their own time instead. (It failed miserably, and took TV time away from stories that needed advancement.) Puder was one of the finalists, along with the Miz asswipe from "Real World Whereeverthefuck".

[locallounge]

Here are the official weights from this weekends PRIDE weigh-in..

PEDRO RIZZO : 246 lbs vs ROMAN ZENTSOV : 228 lbs

QUINTON RAMPAGE JACKSON : 205 lbs vs YOON DONG SIK : 200 lbs

JOHN OLAV EINEMO : 237 lbs vs FABRICIO WERDUM : 238 lbs

KOSAKA TSUYOSHI : 222 lbs vs MARIO SPERRY : 231 lbs

SERGEY KHARITONOV : 244 lbs vs ALISTAIR OVEREEM : 228 lbs

NAKAMURA KAZUHIRO : 225 lbs vs JOSH BARNETT : 255 lbs

ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA : 240 lbs vs TAMURA KIYOSHI : 187 lbs

MAURICIO SHOGUN : 227 lbs vs MARK COLEMAN : 224 lbs

NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE : 211 lbs vs MARK HUNT : 292 lbs

[d0uche_n0zzle]

NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE : 211 lbs vs MARK HUNT : 292 lbs

That's a huge weight difference, hope the lighter guy has some skills to counter it.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Dude are you serious? Do you think that opportunity just fell into his lap? Rich graduated from college, was a full time teacher, but decided he wanted to fight instead. With no gym to train at he is mostly self-taught; him and Josh Rafferty would read books, watch videos, cleared out a shed in Rafferty's backyard and would train with eachother everyday. His story is one of the most inspiring in all of MMA as he is now one of the top p4p fighters in the world.

Edit: http://www.richfranklin.com/about.asp
Yes I'm serious. But I wasn't saying that to take away from Franklin. Believe me I know that didn't necessarily fall into his lap, and I'm sure he's worked his ass off to get there. But it was a little ridiculous for them to be running that show from a "why don't you" angle or a "you should too" if you want to fight, because no one has that kind of time, if you need to eat and have a place to sleep. Though about the falling into his lap thing...and again, I'm not saying it's true of Franklin (although he managed to get a fight against Shamrock pretty early on...) but I've noticed a lot of nepatism (spelling?)...like TUF 2, most if not all of those guys already trained with teams or big names. The shows premise is giving unknowns shots...not guys that are already close to getting in. It's just a little frustrating...and before you ask...no I wasn't shot down for getting in or anything, so I'm not bitter. I'm not at a point yet where I'd try...I'm still starting down that road.

I'm sure Franklin put in a shit load of work to get where he is, and quite frankly training 5 or 6 hours a day for anyone whether they have to work or not is a hard thing to do. I was simply saying, it's a little frustrating to see that image put forth as the norm, because it's anything but.

[My Name Is Earl]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters, was it on Spike? I can see how it would be frustrating to you though, as if you can't devote as much time as you would like to to your training. As for TUF, alot of people do talk sh*t about those guy getting shots over more deserving fighters, especially with Quarry getting that title shot angaist frankiln, but we all know how that turned out.
It's a thin line though as TUF brought in tons of new fans and the UFC wants to continue to grow the sport but without disrespecting other fighters that have already put thier time and work in w/ the UFC before TUF. Yeah most of the top fighters that have come out of TUF are not unkowns at all to people that follow the smaller MMA organizations and they were pretty much on the brink of fighting in one of the larger shows anyway. Sanchez was the undefeated champ of KOTC, Stevenson was very well known as a beast prior to TUF as well, he trains at Marc Laimon's Cobra Kai gym here in Vegas. Anyway good luck with your training, what do you train in BTW. I don't have any experience in MA, but have been a longtime fan of MMA, played tennis in HS and a year in college, so my time was mostly devoted towards that untill recently. Just moved out here from CA and am now surrounded by world class gyms and am looking into training in Boxing and/or muy thai, and eventually I hope to learn some BJJ. one step at a time though. I don't have any aspirations of being a fighter, just do it for the discipline (not yellow), fitness and just to learn something.

[My Name Is Earl]

ohhhh yeahh, Ive had a free live feed of the pride ppv 2nite. Shogun/coleman coming up next. its 230 am, im sick, need sleep, and have to work in the am but fuckit this is awsome.

[My Name Is Earl]

Holyy shiiiit, coleman is seriously on roids, I won't spoil it though for anybody thats gonna order it tommorow. WTF!? is all I gotta say.

[Yukon_1449]

Oh yeah, Coleman has been on roids for years.

[askewcore]

Oh yeah, Coleman has been on roids for years.

You ever see that special about Kerr being on the juice? I think it was on HBO and called something like "The Ultimate Fighter"? In that special Coleman is all about trying to get Kerr off the painkillers he's taking but never really tells him to get off steroids, it was actually kinda funny. He gets off the steroids for a fight and then gets squashed and goes back on them, like Lattimer in The Program.

[My Name Is Earl]

Was an awsome show last night, for anybody thinking about ordering it, you should. Can't wait for the next UFC event now, should be great as well.

[whoisisthis]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:

[Jimmy's Dignity]

You ever see that special about Kerr being on the juice? I think it was on HBO and called something like "The Ultimate Fighter"? In that special Coleman is all about trying to get Kerr off the painkillers he's taking but never really tells him to get off steroids, it was actually kinda funny. He gets off the steroids for a fight and then gets squashed and goes back on them, like Lattimer in The Program.
The Smashing Machine...they have it on Netflix

good f'in documentaryColeman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk::icon_eek: :icon_eek:

[Jaboodie]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:


Bad times!

[Yukon_1449]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:


Holy shit, thats wild.

[locallounge]

Here are the results:

1. Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo - KO (Punch) - R1 0:25

2 Quinton Jackson def. Dong Sik Yoon - Decision (Unanimous) - R3 5:00

3 Fabricio Werdum def. Jon Olav Einemo - Decision (Unanimous) - R3 5:00

4 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka def. Mario Sperry - KO R1 1:20

5 Alistair Overeem def. Sergei Kharitonov - TKO (Strikes) R1 5:13

6 Josh Barnett Kazuhiro Nakamura def. Submission - (Rear Naked Choke) R1 8:10

7 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Kiyoshi Tamura Submission (Armbar) - R1 2:24

8 Mark Coleman def. Mauricio Rua TKO (Dislocated Elbow) - R1 0:49

9 Mark Hunt def. Yosuke Nishijima - KO - R3 1:18

[locallounge]

Here are a few clips from the fight, for those who missed it.

Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo
http://www.youtube.com/?v=45qKEBliNpM

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Kiyoshi Tamura
http://www.youtube.com/?v=pqRJl1TZAcE

Mark Coleman def. Mauricio Rua
http://www.youtube.com/?v=s4yjv5yrCek

[whoisisthis]

Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo
http://www.youtube.com/?v=45qKEBliNpM


daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnn!!!!

thanks for posting those

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters, was it on Spike? I can see how it would be frustrating to you though, as if you can't devote as much time as you would like to to your training. As for TUF, alot of people do talk sh*t about those guy getting shots over more deserving fighters, especially with Quarry getting that title shot angaist frankiln, but we all know how that turned out.
It's a thin line though as TUF brought in tons of new fans and the UFC wants to continue to grow the sport but without disrespecting other fighters that have already put thier time and work in w/ the UFC before TUF. Yeah most of the top fighters that have come out of TUF are not unkowns at all to people that follow the smaller MMA organizations and they were pretty much on the brink of fighting in one of the larger shows anyway. Sanchez was the undefeated champ of KOTC, Stevenson was very well known as a beast prior to TUF as well, he trains at Marc Laimon's Cobra Kai gym here in Vegas. Anyway good luck with your training, what do you train in BTW. I don't have any experience in MA, but have been a longtime fan of MMA, played tennis in HS and a year in college, so my time was mostly devoted towards that untill recently. Just moved out here from CA and am now surrounded by world class gyms and am looking into training in Boxing and/or muy thai, and eventually I hope to learn some BJJ. one step at a time though. I don't have any aspirations of being a fighter, just do it for the discipline (not yellow), fitness and just to learn something.
Yeah, definitely frustrating, but like I said...honestly I'm not at a point in my training where it really effects me persay, it's just irritating to see. What you said about the title shots and stuff is definitley true, but I wasn't even talking about that. A good example is Jorge from TUF 2, arguably a great fighter but he already trained with Franklin. Not to mention most of the other fighters were already training with Liddell, or Hughes camps. I'm sorry but if you're already training with big name fighters, you can hardly be called an unknown.

I've trained in a lot of stuff, but MMA wise I've done Muay Thai, some BJJ, Erik Paulson's CSW (and I've had the priveledge of a little training with Paulson, though not in the capacity I mention above), and some Judo. I currently train under Al Buck, in Vineland with a couple of other fighters, in mix of stuff...more freestyle then anything. But we all bring a pretty big mix of skills to the table.

And yes...I think Coleman actually came out of the womb with roid rage.

[Cybouncer]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnn!!!!

thanks for posting those


That's EXACTLY what I said.

Looks like Rizzo caught it right on the button when he went for a leg kick. Just a perfectly timed shot.

How many times have you seen that go the other way with him?!:icon_eek:

[locallounge]

T. Kohsaka vs Mario Sperry
http://www.youtube.com/?v=vkblJMoS3sc

Mark Coleman trying to explain his post-fight actions (aka roid rage):
http://www.youtube.com/?v=ZZRNfDBNQZE

[whoisisthis]

Mark Coleman has lost his fucking mind-sweet

here he is right aafterwards
http://media.putfile.com/Coleman-vs-Shogun-Postfight

[Jimmy's Dignity]

:haha7: :haha7: "I gotta watch my language, my mom's watching"

"My dad had my back. 66 years old, he's never been beaten" hahahaahaha

Psycho Coleman = awesome

[Cybouncer]

Speaking of Juice Heads...

Look at how much smaller Baroni is now that he is off the shit.

He used to work out at my gym for a while before his fight @ Mohegan Sun a couple of years ago. He was an animal then.

[locallounge]

Here are a few more videos from the recent Pride 31 show:

Alistair Overeem vs Sergey Kharitonov
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UKvD16g8Ns

Mario Sperry vs Tsuyoshi Kosaka
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGiOxyTamEg

Josh Barnett vs Kazuhiro Nakamura
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XszmSI4DhL0

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson Post-fight interview
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3-i5x0u-z20

[Cromwell]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters

Same here.

Plus - he's a lefty (like me).

I don't see anyone beating him.

Does anyone think Loiseau or Leben can beat him?

Quarry thought he could.

However, every picture tells a story

http://www.richfranklin.com/photo/UFC56_afterwardsa.JPG
Nate and Rich a few hours after the fight

[Yukon_1449]

Great pic above. I have got to get back to a live event. I rember how much fun those after fight parties are. The first one I went to, I was shocked that all the fighters were talking with each other, taking pics, and watching the video of them getting their asses kicked and having a laugh. Most of the fighters are class acts and respect each other inside and outside the ring.

As for Franklin, he will be tough to beat. This upcoming fight should be memorable. I can't wait for Sat.

[locallounge]

Here is the line-up for this weekends UFC 58. Word is, Diego Sanchez was not cleared by doctors, and will not be fighting this weekend, so the Sanchez vs Alessio fight will not happen:.


Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweights)

For more info visit: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=156

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Here is the line-up for this weekends UFC 58. Word is, Diego Sanchez was not cleared by doctors, and will not be fighting this weekend, so the Sanchez vs Alessio fight will not happen:.


Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweights)

For more info visit: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=156
Why wasn't Sanchez cleared? I was looking forward to seeing him fight.

[locallounge]

Why wasn't Sanchez cleared? I was looking forward to seeing him fight.

Yea, I am not a big Diego fan, but I was also hoping to see him fight this weekend. From what I read it had something to do with severe dehydration. Sucks.

[askewcore]

I hate Sanchez, UFC gives him a bunch of lame dogs to demolish in an attempt to boost his career.

[locallounge]

I hate Sanchez, UFC gives him a bunch of lame dogs to demolish in an attempt to boost his career.

Diaz a lame dog? :icon_roll

[askewcore]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?

[locallounge]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?

Diego and Diaz fought on the Season Finale of "The Ultimate Fighter 2". It was probably one of the best grappling matches of the year, and Diego won by Decision. Both guys were busy the whole fight. You should see that fight, it was great.
I do not think Diego ever fought Shonie Carter, his only UFC fights so far are Florian, Gassaway, and Diaz.
You may be thinking of Nate Quarry, who fought Carter. Gassaway trains with Carter, so that could also be the mix-up.
Btw, Speaking of Shonie Carter...I think he just won a belt in KOTC.:clap:

[askewcore]

You should see that fight, it was great.

Yeah, I'll definitley search it out. Thanks for the info.

You may be thinking of Nate Quarry, who fought Carter.

Yeah I must have got them mixed up. I like Nate though.


Btw, Speaking of Shonie Carter...I think he just won a belt in KOTC.:clap:

Wow. Good for him. KotC really has a pretty weak competetion level. Is Krazy Horse Bennet in the same weight class?

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?
Wow man...yeah you really need to see that fight. It was fantastic. I used to like Diaz too...but he seems to have really become an arogant prick. But it was a phenomenal fight. Definitely the best example of ground work that's been seen for a while in the UFC...that is of course until after this weekend.

The Penn-Pierre fight is going to be amazing!!!

[Rascal Helper]

I will be at UFC 58 on Sat. Pretty excited about seeing my first live UFC... and also about Vegas whores.

[locallounge]

Wow. Good for him. KotC really has a pretty weak competetion level. Is Krazy Horse Bennet in the same weight class?

No. Krazy Horse is 145-155lb. Carter is 185, I think. Krazy Horses next fight will be April 2nd at Pride Bushido.
Whle on the subject of Krazy Horse, in a recent interview he talks about how he took on the entire Chute Boxe team backstage, and KO'ed Vanderlei Silva. Weirdness...:icon_eek:

[Yukon_1449]

I will be at UFC 58 on Sat. Pretty excited about seeing my first live UFC... and also about Vegas whores.

If you have time and can find it, go to the after fight party. All the fighters will be there talking, taking pics, signining stuff. I imagine there will be whores there as well. Check it out, great time.