Wackbag MMA Thread (UFC)

[whoisisthis]

figured I'd start a thread to keep all the upcoming UFC, Pride, TUF, ect goodness in.

here's a sweet KO video to start it off

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2585646034579043717&q=UFC

[roche]

That is probally the best knock video I have seen. The music could be changed though.... Was that Blink 182 at the end?

[whoisisthis]

Confirmed fight card for UFC 57 02/04/06

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture
Frank Mir Vs. Marcio Cruz
Renato Sobral Vs. Mike Van Arsdale
Alessio Sakara Vs. Elvis Sinosic
Brandon Vera Vs. Justin Eilers
Paul Buentello Vs. Gilbert Aldana
Jeff Monson Vs. Branden Lee Hinkle
Nick Diaz Vs. Joe Riggs



and the fight card for Ultimate Fight Night on Spike TV- 01/16/06

Tim Sylvia Vs. Assuerio Silva
Stephan Bonnar Vs. James Irvin
Melvin Guillard Vs. Anthony Torres
Spencer Fisher Vs. Aaron Riley
Drew Fickett Vs. Josh Burkman
Chris Leben Vs. Jorge Rivera
Alex Karalexis Vs. Jason Von Flue
Jonathan Goulet Vs. Duane Ludwig

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shit, I'm almost more interested in seeing the televised fights...

[PEST BY TRADE]

Your sig pic is a sweet knock out video too.
Im looking forward to the natural ice rematch got to go with the iceman though.

[whoisisthis]

I'm betting on Chuck too


here's the whole clip of that staredown KO.

"he tried to kiss me on the lips like a homosexual! I'm not gay!"
http://www.youtube.com/w/Never-kiss-the-guy-durning-a-stare-down?v=v-cbSiD66CY&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

[askewcore]

UFC does a really good job of putting together pretty solid cards for their events. Diaz/Riggs should be a sweet fight. Ditto Vera/Eilers and Sobral/Van Arsdale. I like Buentello but I dont know anything about his opponent, and I dont know how good he really is because the competition in KotC is much weak then UFC. I'm glad to see Sinsoic coming back too. Also, is this Frank Mir's first fight back? He was hurt for a real long time wasnt he? My only beef with this card is the lack of Georges St. Pierre, but I think they're trying to build him up against one of the bigger names in his weight class before they try and have him fight Hughes again.

[PEST BY TRADE]

this isn't ufc but a good ko

http://www.break.com/index/cagefight.html

[Steam]

Also, is this Frank Mir's first fight back? He was hurt for a real long time wasnt he?

I hope he is full strength. The guy was awesome back in the day. I love how he punked out Sims after Sims got DQd in their first fight (I still say Sims could have won that fight though).

[Steam]

Chris Leben Vs. Jorge Rivera


For some reason that is the fight I'm most looking forward to.

[whoisisthis]

well it's a ways away still, and there's only two fights confrimed, but I'm stoked. I was hoping they'd set this one up:rockon"
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http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome
Franklin to Defend Title at UFC 58 Along with the Return of Penn

On March 4th, 2006, live from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, UFC will present UFC 58. Fresh off his impressive TKO victory over Evan Tanner in October of 2005, David “The Crow” Loiseau will get his first UFC title shot when he takes on UFC 185 pound champion, Rich “Ace” Franklin. This will be Franklin’s second title defense, his first defense came November of 2005, when he knocked out Nate Quarry in the first round.

UFC 58 will also showcase an epic welterweight battle that could also be a main event. BJ Penn will take on Georges St. Pierre to see who will fight for UFC‘s welterweight title. This will be BJ's first UFC fight since he defeated current welterweight champion Matt Hughes at UFC 46 in January of 2004. St. Pierre will bring the momentum of an undefeated 2005 year to hopefully get his rematch at Matt Hughes.

Here is the card thus far:
- Rich Franklin Vs. David Loiseau
- Georges St. Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
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man, as much as I think GSP is an evil machine, I can't count out Penn's super-jiu-jitsu. My money's on the chubby Hawaiian.

[Jim Beam]

cant wait for Mir vs Arlovsky, eventually

[Cromwell]

David “The Crow” Loiseau will get his first UFC title shot when he takes on UFC 185 pound champion, Rich “Ace” Franklin.



Yeah, I'm getting the tingles thinking about that one as well.

Truth be told, Tanner was *beating* "the crow" - until the old elbows started carving up Evan "the bleeders" face (the same way Franklin stopped him previously - not with elbows, but with the buildup of many straight punches to the face). Tanner just couldn't close-out the submit on the crow.

Franklin (who is amazing) has got to make sure Loiseau doesn't catch him with elbows. I've never seen Franklin get seriously cut up.

I gotta go with the animal schoolteacher.



This will be Franklin’s second title defense, his first defense came November of 2005, when he knocked out Nate Quarry in the first round.


Have they shown that match on regular tv yet?

UFC 58 will also showcase an epic welterweight battle that could also be a main event. BJ Penn will take on Georges St. Pierre to see who will fight for UFC‘s welterweight title. This will be BJ's first UFC fight since he defeated current welterweight champion Matt Hughes at UFC 46 in January of 2004.


Have they ever shown *that* match on Spike (or anywhere else on "free" tv)? I've never seen it. I've never see Hughes lose.



St. Pierre will bring the momentum of an undefeated 2005 year to hopefully get his rematch at Matt Hughes.

He better watch out for the Kimura.

There are some who have implied that St. Pierre was beating Hughes when he got the arm bar and had to tap out. Not true. He got one good kick in on Matt. The Mattster then took him down every time (gotta love those collegiate wrestlers from the midwest).

Thanks for the notify whoisisthis - I can't wait to see the results of these matches either.

[Papagolash]

I got a HDTV and the channel INHD has so many UFC matches going on, I love it. That along with The Ultimate Fighter's gotten me into UFC. Liddell = god

I'd love to see Jason Mayhem Miller get some more weight, and kick some ass.

[roche]

I got a HDTV and the channel INHD has so many UFC matches going on, I love it.

It seems like they just play the same from 9 months ago one over and over.... That is my only complaint.

[whoisisthis]

Have they ever shown *that* match on Spike (or anywhere else on "free" tv)? I've never seen it. I've never see Hughes lose.

hopefully this works.. UFC 46 Penn vs. Hughes
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=32CQT3CD

::edit:: ok, it works

[Cromwell]

Wow :icon_eek:

Thank you, whoisthis

That is friggin amazing.

I never thought I'd see Matt Hughes tapping out.

This guy Penn - he really dominated him. Rear naked choke? I never thought I'd see anybody putting that on Hughes.

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?

See - this is the problem with the Ultimate Fighter on Spike - there is far too much repitition shown - and they aren't filling in the gaps.

What's a great site to read that can fill in these gaps.

I really appreciate you linking up that match for download, whoisthis.

Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match? :icon_mrgr

[whoisisthis]

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?

noone. He left the UFC with the belt, due to some contract dispute, I believe.

I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly, and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds. But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit. That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.



Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match? :icon_mrgr

I can't find the whole thing, but here's the end
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7595855398915011338&q=franklin+quarry

[FreeTheCricket]

UFC 51 (I think) was on INHD tonight, and I got to watch the Vitor Belfort/Tito Ortiz fight. While not the best fight I have seen, it was amazing to watch these 2 giants of the UFC world pound each other. Ortiz looked like he was losing early, but he managed to put Belfort in enough holds and land enough blows that he won by decision.
It was a nice fight.

[askewcore]

I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly, and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds. But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit. That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.


Hell yeah it is. Hughes is incredible, but he hasn't really been challenged much lately, except that one match when Trigg (I think) almost choked him out and then Matt dominated him. When you said BJ Penn has "Super jiu-jitsu" it was perfect, I cant wait for that rematch. Have they announced a date for it yet? If you, or anyone else already posted it, then I apologize for the dumb question in advance.

[whoisisthis]

I haven't heard anything. If anything, I'm counting on Penn to beat GSP, just so we can see the rematch with Hughes.

[askewcore]

Yeah, that match will probably be to see who gets their rematch first. I still think GSP is ready for Hughes again yet though. I'm definitly with you in wanting Penn to win. I like GSP though.

[Cromwell]

So - if Matt never got the rematch (or did he?) - then who beat Penn to open up the welterweight title for Hughes to win back?


noone. He left the UFC with the belt, due to some contract dispute, I believe.


“he left with the belt”. Obivously he had to leave it behind. But I get your point. No one beat him. So, you are saying that Penn has not lost any kind of match since then?


I think that Hughes took that fight way too lightly


Which Rogan says a few times in that video you posted (thank you again)


and his ground game has likely improved by leaps and bounds.


Without a doubt. And that’s what makes a true champion. Someone with oodles of talent - who continues to work hard to improve.


But Penn has been pretty active too, beating Gracies and shit.


Where? In one of the other rival leagues? (Which are what? Pride or something?)


That rematch is gonna be amazing, to say the least.


I’m sure it chaps Hughes that he never got a chance to “clear his name”. Get his rematch.



Now - do you have the Franklin-Quarry match?



I can't find the whole thing, but here's the end
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7595855398915011338&q=franklin+quarry


Wow. Thanks for that. I had seen the knockout, but not the action leading up to it. I had heard from someone else that Franklin had bloodied up Quarry a lot up to that point. I can see how ravaged his face is there. Franklin is a dominating fighter. Who, in your opinion, can beat him?


Hell yeah it is. Hughes is incredible, but he hasn't really been challenged much lately, except that one match when Trigg (I think) almost choked him out and then Matt dominated him.


Well, in fairness to Hughes - “twinkletoes” kicked him in the balls first - *thats* why Hughes went down. Then twinkie went in for the pummelling. I credit the ref for not ending it right there - and allowing Matt the opportunities to mount that chill-inducing incredible comeback. I mean - think about it. You’ve been kicked in the balls - your down on your back - and Triggs is just pounding away on you. Somehow - you survive that assault - then actually straighten yourself out - and pick the guy up - only to deliver the patented “slammo to the mat”. That my friend, is a true champion. Champion heart.



When you said BJ Penn has "Super jiu-jitsu" it was perfect, I cant wait for that rematch.

Me either dude.

[whoisisthis]

Where? In one of the other rival leagues? (Which are what? Pride or something?)


since he left UFC, he's beat Rodrigo Gracie in Rumble on the Rock, and Renzo Gracie in K1. Both in Hawaii

and some other really good fighters. He beat Duane Ludwig, Machida, and I forget who else...

[whoisisthis]

if you get HDNET, Wold Extreme Cagefighting starts tonight at 9:30 ET


http://www.wec.tv/

[Diceman Cometh]

How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.

The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

[Tickle The Bag]

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture

That is the fight that I wanna see.

[Cromwell]

ON Penn:

since he left UFC, he's beat Rodrigo Gracie in Rumble on the Rock, and Renzo Gracie in K1. Both in Hawaii

and some other really good fighters. He beat Duane Ludwig, Machida, and I forget who else...

So - he's unbeaten then. Hasn't lost once since leaving the UFC.

Certainly a formidable challenged for the great Matt Hughes. But, he can't look past GSP first.

How did they lure him back? Wave enough money in his face?


if you get HDNET, Wold Extreme Cagefighting starts tonight at 9:30 ET


http://www.wec.tv/

Sadly I don't get this one. How do you get it?


How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.


I had heard Pride was full of nothing but fat bastards.

When is their show on?



The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

Those are two great fights - no doubt. But you can dismiss the excitement that Hughes brings to the sport.



That is the fight that I wanna see.

Yeah - Lidell - Couture should be a good one, no doubt. Everybody knows about Chuck's devastating knockout power - does Couture (despite his great fitness) still have what it takes to win (considering his advancing age)?

[askewcore]

I'm not 100% but I think Pride is only on PPV, thats the only time I ever catch them. Theyre not full of "fat bastards" but they have a lot of those stocky built gooks in there. They do have a really nice heavyweight division, Rampage Jackson and Gary Goodridge both fight over there a pretty good amount. They also will stop the action and stand the fighters up a shitload more often then UFC. The fighters are less known guys in the States (for the most part) but they consistently put on really good shows. Plus, Bas Rutten is the color commentator and he's the man.

[whoisisthis]

How come no one here is talking about PRIDE? I used to love UFC until I got into PRIDE. Now I can hardly watch UFC...compared to PRIDE, its garbage. PRIDE has MUCH better fighters and an amazing heavyweight division.

The only 2 fights I'm looking forward to in UFC are Franklin vs. Crow and Liddell vs. Couture.

you're absolutely right. PRIDE is amazing. Where else do you get to see Wand?


I'be been catching rebroadcasts on FOX Sports, I don't know if that's a new thing, or I've been missing out or what...

[locallounge]

Jan. 16th, UFC: Ultimate Fight Night...LIVE on SpikeTV!

Tim Sylvia vs Assuerio Silva

Stephan Bonnar vs James Irvin

Drew Fickett vs Josh Burkman

Chris Leben vs Jorge Rivera


(Dark Matches)
Spencer Fisher vs Aaron Riley

Alex Karalexis vs Jason Von Flue

Jonathan Goulet vs Duane Ludwig

Melvin Guillard vs Josh Neer


This will be a free event live on Spike TV Monday Jan 16th, basically to promote the upcoming PPV with Randy Couture vs Chuck Liddell.
The lineup was taken from the UFC website. Go to http://www.ufc.tv

[Tickle The Bag]

I dont see a time. Guessing 9PM?

[whoisisthis]

hoo hoo

http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=37711

[locallounge]

hoo hoo

http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=37711

I invented posting fight threads.

Anyways, the UFC is supposed to make a HUGE announcement Mondey, during the event. Can't wait!

[whoisisthis]

Throughout UFC history, there have been many groundbreaking announcements, moments that have both stunned and thrilled fight fans. But there's never been anything like this.On Monday, January 16th, during the Spike TV broadcast of Ultimate Fight Night 3, the UFC will raise the bar once again by announcing the biggest news in the organization's history, something that will stun the world of mixed martial arts.Don't miss this landmark moment in MMA history on Monday night. The Spike TV broadcast begins at 10pm ET/PT.

hmm...

wonder what it is. Maybe a merger? sanctioning?

[Tickle The Bag]

hmm...

wonder what it is. Maybe a merger? sanctioning?

the sanctioning would be a fucking huge announcement. Now you have me thinking.

[locallounge]

TONIGHT ON SPIKE!!!

UFC: Best of 2005 - 6pm-9pm

Ultimate Fight Night 3 - 9pm-11pm

I am in central time zone, so do the math or check your local listings for time in your area.

[Cromwell]

taken from the UFC website. Go to http://www.ufc.tv

Hey, thanks for pointing out that site, locallounge.

I especially enjoyed reading the fighters Blogs.

Good to read what Matt Hughes has been up to lately:

January 3, 2006 - Illinois

Not a whole lot has been going on....

I've been lifting some weights with the hope of putting on some size....

I was watching some past fights and realized I was a little bigger than now...

I hope to fight as soon as I can, hopefully against Karo....

Lets see if Karo can stay healthy this time.

I see he mentions GSP and Penn in another entry as well:

November 21 , 2005 - Illinois
My fight with Joe didn't seem like a fight, it seemed like practice, it was no big deal...

I understand the Pierre wants a fight at the title, he has already had a chance...

I'm not sure if he is going to fight me or BJ...

I wasn’t overly impressed with Pierre's hands, Sherk caught him a few time, overall he is a good competitor...

Anyway, I'm psyched for tonights fights!

[locallounge]

No problem. Anything to help bring more awareness to MMA.:clap:

Anyways, keep an eye out for the big announcement(s) UFC has in store. I hope it's something good...

[whoisisthis]

so far, on all the MMA boards, I've heard all kinds of rumors/inside info..

from a PRIDE merger, to the return of the LW division, to a new womans division, to fighters able to have multiple fights a night, and a few others

nothing too exciting, really

[locallounge]

Royce vs Hughes?

UFC @ Staples?

Return of the Lightweights?

Whatever it is, it better be something kickass!!!


Anybody have predictions for tonights fights???

[locallounge]

As far as Non-UFC MMA goes, I also heard that Frank Shamrock may return to fighting. That dude was good. Hope he doesn't comeback and get his ass kicked like Ken has lately.

[crescentwrench]

Big announcement is!!!!! *Drumroll*


Royce vs. Hughes.


Wow Dana, what a revolution. Fucker. Big letdown jagoff.

[whoisisthis]

get the fuck out of here. "landmark moment in MMA?" gay.




oh yeah.... Royce by armbar

[Papagolash]

OK 2 questions about tonights 4 hours of UFC. In the taped show, Who was the guy Tim Silvia faught and knocked out with a kick to the head? What's up with his chest. Anyone know why he has no Pec there?

And speaking of oddities, that French Canadian that got knocked out in 11 seconds, anyone notice his pupil looking like it was leaking out into his eye? What condition is that?

[whoisisthis]

I have it DVR'ed and didn't watch it yet, but I bet you're talking about Tre Telligman?

I heard it was from a car accident when he was a kid. He loses alot, but it's pretty cool that he does as good as he does without a pec:icon_eek:

[crescentwrench]

For some reason I want to say Telligman's missing pec came from a dog attack. At least I think that's what they said on his first UFC appearance way back when.

As to the pupil thing, I've seen people like that. Just a fucked up iris as far as I know.

The landmark moment in MMA was more WWF than anything. Instead of Dana White we needed Jim Ross screaming, "My GOD, the it's the Undertaker!!"

Oh, and assuming Royce doesn't get special rules like no time limit and no judges decision Hughes will win by decision.

Edit: Telligman was run over when he was 1 year old and it bent his sternum and crushed his chest cavity. I swear to God someone said something about a dog a long time ago.

[whoisisthis]

just watched it...good fights...

Bang kicked ass about as much as I expected him to. He's a fucking badass. Although I think he was robbed for the fastest KO record.. that alot less than 11 seconds.

Silvia looked good, but I think it would have turned out different if he didn't hand on to the cage for dear life instead of being suplexed by Silva. That should have cost him the secision, imo.

I'm scared for Royce. He's my hero, but I think he's gonna get hurt badly. I'm pulling for him to catch Hughes in something, which can easily happen, but I think he'll pay dearly for it.

Also, I wonder how he'll adapt to the 3/3 rounds that were put in place since he's been away from UFC. I don't understand why he took this fight:huh:

[Papagolash]

I've never seen Royce Gracie fight, I'm going to have to look up vids for him. I dunno but just by looking at them 2 in the ring it looks like Hughes is all business and Gracie was just there for the spotlight

[askewcore]

I've never seen Royce Gracie fight, I'm going to have to look up vids for him. I dunno but just by looking at them 2 in the ring it looks like Hughes is all business and Gracie was just there for the spotlight

If you check out some of the older UFC (I think he won 1,2,and 4 but I'm not 100% on that) Royce was amazing. He's my favorite guy too and like whoisisthis I'm a little scared about this fight, I still think his BJJ will get him a victory via armbar or choke, but he's gonna take a lumping. That was still a pretty damn solid card last night...again. UFC very rarely disappoints me.

[Jay Douglas]

I think [Royce] won 1,2,and 4 but I'm not 100% on that.

You're right. Check out the first five UFC events to see Gracie in action and while I haven't seen it yet, I hear his performance at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 was good too.

[whoisisthis]

here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I don't know, but I'd never underestimate the psycho factor in Hughes head. :icon_mrgr

[beenhere47yeers]

hughes will destroy him. i almost feel bad.

[Cromwell]

Royce vs Hughes?



Wow - dude - you nailed it.

This should be interesting.

I've never seen Royce fight either.


here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html

For some reason that download isn't working for me. I've tried it a few times and I'm getting a "file not found" message at that hosting site.

As for the matches at Ultimate Fight Night 1/16/06,

I am impressed (again) with "smart alec" Chris Leben. He really caught Jorge Rivera on the button, and put him out.

However, the trash talking from Leben in reference to Franklin is a bit much. Though its nothing Quarry didn't say either.

I look forward to an eventual Franklin-Leben fight.

I was also impressed with Stephan Bonnar's submission of the powerfully built James Irvin. Man he had that arm bent waaay back. I thought he was going to snap it. Bonnar is a smart competitor with all the physical tools. I see his star continuing to rise.

Josh Burkman's dominance of Drew Fickett was an entertaining surprise as well. Burkman appears to be another rising star.

[Papagolash]

here's one of his old fights.. I'll try and find some more

Royce vs. Pat Smith(UFC2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/1787008/royce-smith-1.wmv.html


Thanks for the vid. Wasn't Gracie in the UFC doing the MMA while no one really did it? I'm thinking he may get pwned big time by Hughes. And what about that batch of fighters from The Ultimate Fighter 1? A bunch of them are showing they're the real deal. Bonnar, Leben, Griffen, Swick, Diego..... Bonnar/Griffen 2? Oh boy that'll be great.

[Cromwell]

Thanks for the vid.

Thanks for the tipoff to try again, papagolash.

I got it to work this time (from a different computer).

Wow - they wore Ghi's in those days. At least Gracie did.

And cool to see a young Big John McCarthy as the ref.

Funny to see the *corner* throw in the towel - and not the fighter tap-out themselves.

Also, the announcers were pretty corny. I'm glad Joe Rogan is on board now.

Good stuff!

Thanks :)

[whoisisthis]

Funny to see the *corner* throw in the towel - and not the fighter tap-out themselves.

haha, it's a wonder that noone got really fucked up back then. They let alot of those old fights go until one guy was pummeled into unconsciousness:icon_eek:

[whoisisthis]

Fight night replaying tonight on Spike TV for anyone who missed it.

[Cromwell]

haha, it's a wonder that noone got really fucked up back then. They let alot of those old fights go until one guy was pummeled into unconsciousness:icon_eek:

You *gotta* know my next question "whoisthis" :icon_mrgr

Got any links to any videos of *that stuff* :icon_cool

As for Gracie v. Hughes -- I've been talking to a lot of martial arts guys across the age (and skill level) spectrum - and the predictions are very mixed. Some say Hughes will dominate - some say Gracie will submit with superior arm-locking skills.

Should be a good one.

On another note - has anyone picked up the latest issues of Mens Fitness - the one with the feature on Rich Franklin. Did anyone read it? Is it worth picking up? I'm a big Franklin fan.

[crescentwrench]

Don't know, but I'd say it's worth it because that UFC ringgirl Rachelle Whatsherface is in it.

[Diceman Cometh]

To all you Gracie fans, don't forget....he will NOT be allowed to wear a Gi this time. Big disadvantage for him.


And PRIDE is not full of fat fucks....actually, their talent pool is far stronger than UFC's, especially the Heavyweight division. PRIDE's current champion, Fedor Emelianenko, is undefeated, and is the greatest MMA fighter alive. Even Arlovski said in a post-fight interview that the only way he'd step into the ring with Emelianenko is with a loaded gun.

[beenhere47yeers]

why r all these russians owning the heavy weight division? we need rocky balboa to go kick some ass.

[Cromwell]

Don't know, but I'd say it's worth it because that UFC ringgirl Rachelle Whatsherface is in it.

Good point, sir.

I'll just have to pick up a copy.


To all you Gracie fans, don't forget....he will NOT be allowed to wear a Gi this time. Big disadvantage for him.



Why? Why is that a "disadvantage? I would think that wearing a Ghi is bad for the person wearing it. Like, you could be grabed and held more - and being choked by your own Ghi.



And PRIDE is not full of fat fucks....actually, their talent pool is far stronger than UFC's, especially the Heavyweight division. PRIDE's current champion, Fedor Emelianenko, is undefeated, and is the greatest MMA fighter alive. Even Arlovski said in a post-fight interview that the only way he'd step into the ring with Emelianenko is with a loaded gun.

Well -then where is their show? Why the fuck isn't it on TV? Like Spike does with the UFC. Free TV - and then do the PPV thing?

It appears that Dana White/UFC/Zuffa is doing a much better job marketing itself.

You have to have easy access to something, to make it a success.

I *did* see a feature (finally) on Pride on "The Best Damn Sports Show" last night. But for the most part, Pride is getting blown away by UFC (media wise)

[whoisisthis]

PRIDE is in Japan... they have mad money, and pack stadiums. They're doing just fine. Alot of top shelf fighters won't fight in the UFC, cause it's chump change compared to PRIDE


in those early days, Royce said he liked the gi because it encouraged people to grab him, instead of hit.

[Cromwell]

PRIDE is in Japan... they have mad money, and pack stadiums. They're doing just fine. Alot of top shelf fighters won't fight in the UFC, cause it's chump change compared to PRIDE



Well - then get it on tv in the greatest country in the world!. (Not just one that we conquered :icon_cool Thank you, Oppenheimer)



in those early days, Royce said he liked the gi because it encouraged people to grab him, instead of hit.

You know everything 'whoisthis' :)

[whoisisthis]

I know, man. I think the way that the Spike/UFC thing is going, we can't be that far behind.

[Cromwell]

More MMA = more gooder :icon_cool

[whoisisthis]

UFC "Unleashed" tonight at 10pm ET

[crescentwrench]

A gi is an advantage because you can use it as a "third hand". You wrap your arm around a head, grab your own gi, and your other arm is free to do whatever. And there are chokes where you use your own gi too. It's main advantage imo is that it prevents slipout of a sub. An armbar by a guy in a gi is stuck, you ain't slipping out.

Of course these advantages have worn away as more and more people became aware of bjj. Matt Hughes definately isn't Keith Hackney. Matt would just pummel Royce in a gi.

Is unleashed a rerun?

[whoisisthis]

Matt Hughes definately isn't Keith Hackney.

Hughes has nothing on the man that killed Royce's undefeated UFC record
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7087/howard0pr.jpg

yeah, it's all old fights tonight.

[crescentwrench]

lol! Harold Howard and the Mullet of Power!

His Camarohair was so awesome that he won before the fight even started.

[locallounge]

Not exactly MMA, but in that vein...

Chuck Norris Presents: WORLD COMBAT LEAGUE
http://www.worldcombatleague.com

Here's a short video of the debut show, there are some people getting ktfo. Check it out: http://www.worldcombatleague.com/media/wmv/Debut.wmv

[Monkey_Hummer]

after watching the Gracie vid, it's amazing how far UFC has come.

This weekend's fight card looks pretty good:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=146

I hope Nick Diaz gets beat down again...

[Cromwell]

This weekend's fight card looks pretty good:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=146

I hope Nick Diaz gets beat down again...

I dunno - Diaz is a pretty tough guy and a skilled competitor. And isn't Joe Riggs fresh off an ass-****** at the hands of Matt Hughes? My money is on Diaz.


As for the other fight - what the hell - here are my predictions:

Chuck Liddell Vs. Randy Couture

Though I think Liddell will win - for some reason I'm rooting for the "old guy" to win. (Maybe that's 'cause I'm an "old guy" myself :icon_cool )

Frank Mir Vs. Marcio Cruz

Mir should win.

Renato Sobral Vs. Mike Van Arsdale

"Babalu" will take this one



Alessio Sakara Vs. Elvis Sinosic

Sakara may pull this one out with his ju-jitsu skills.


Brandon Vera Vs. Justin Eilers
Paul Buentello Vs. Gilbert Aldana
Jeff Monson Vs. Branden Lee Hinkle


I don't know enough about any of these guys to make a pick.

Keith Jardine Vs. Mike Whitehead

Wow!

Mike "quitter" Whitehead returns. This is a surprise. When last we saw him, Matt Hughes was disgustedly turning his back on his "friend" (after the embarrasing loss on UFC2 to that schwoogie from Michigan (I forgot the guys name).

Anyway, at least *some* of these fights are of interest to me.

[askewcore]

If you've never seen Buentello you'll probably like him. He doesnt really have any raw talent, he's just a tought son of a bitch with nasty hands. I dont know his opponent, but I'm kind of thinking UFC will set him up to smash this guy. I'm pretty sure Buentello was the last guy to be sacrificed to Arlovsky, he was the Heavyweight champ in King of the Cage before going over to UFC.

The Vera/Eilers fight should be pretty good and evenly matched.

And you were right about Riggs just getting ***** by Hughes. I hate both Riggs and Diaz so I dont really care who wins, so long as someone gets hurt.

[whoisisthis]

the Riggs.Diaz match should be great


both of them know that they need to win if they wanna stay with the UFC.

[Kid Brock]

Wasn't that mullet having Harold Howard the one who "beat" Royce because he couldn't even start the fight from injury earlier in the night?

That is back when that fat ass Emmanual Yarborough (600 lbs) tried to fight. Stick to Sumo fatty.

[askewcore]

I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though

[crescentwrench]

Karma's a beeyotch for Pauly B. He's toned it down a bit I hear but he used to be a piece of shit. He started off in TKD and was basically a black belt who hung out in the purple division just so he could fight in God mode. Then he fought in local shows around Amarillo the same way. I never saw him fight anyone over like 5'10", except Evan Tanner who destroyed him.

Like I said though, I hear he's changed his act and humbled a bit. Maybe he was just getting the punk kid out of his system.

[askewcore]

I didnt ever hear any of the earlier shit you mentioned, but thinking about it, it does kind of make sense. That may be he hung around King of the Cage (which is pretty much a glorified MMA minor league) as champion for so long, beating what really amounted to a bunch of nobodys. Then he wanted to make some real money and he got butchered. Like I said earlier, he doesnt seem to have any real talent, just good hands and that will get you wins in KotC but not UFC.

Diego Sanchez was the middleweight KotC champ for a while before TUF show and I still think UFC is babying him with the opponents they give him.

Edit: your new sig is great too crescent...

[crescentwrench]

Yeah he would make the circuit through the Southwest in super tiny promotions. If KotC was minor leagues he was honing his skills in 9th grade JV.

I think that's kinda what made him that way. He was King Shit around there, well after the local A-listers. I think getting his beatins has changed him a bit. I don't really see any of that in his eyes anymore. And I'm glad. Because now I can be a giant homer and root for him.

[Cromwell]

Not exactly MMA, but in that vein...

Chuck Norris Presents: WORLD COMBAT LEAGUE
http://www.worldcombatleague.com

Here's a short video of the debut show, there are some people getting ktfo. Check it out: http://www.worldcombatleague.com/media/wmv/Debut.wmv


Thanks for this notify and link, localounge. I wasn’t aware of this. I checked it out and it looks pretty good. More competition in the growing field of sports/entertainment MMA.


I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though

It looks like Chuck Norris’ new league here is sort of like “tournament style”.



the Riggs.Diaz match should be great


both of them know that they need to win if they wanna stay with the UFC.

Good point. That is such a loaded weightclass. I just watched some Diaz on DVD last night. He looked good and has knockout power. He’s a pretty complete fighter.


Diego Sanchez was the middleweight KotC champ for a while before TUF show and I still think UFC is babying him with the opponents they give him.


Diaz was outmatched by a slightly superior Sanchez.

What weight is Sanchez fighting at these days? 185 or 170?

[velvet_elvis]

Sanchez is now fighting @ 170...

[Yukon_1449]

I lke the tournament style UFC had back in the day though


I agree, the tournament was better, but it also invited more injuries. Look at UFC 3. Some cop from Omaha wins because Gracie got injured and Ken quit the tournament because he wanted to fight only Gracie. They threw this guy (Steve Jenum I believe) into the final round. He was fresh and the others were not.

The older UFC's did provide us with the nut bashing event that was Kieth Hackney's fist Vs. Joe Son's balls (guy from first Austin Powers). They should have done that on Superball today. A MMA fighter puching these guys in the nuts.

[whoisisthis]

They threw this guy (Steve Jenum I believe) into the final round. He was fresh and the others were not..

ha! I remember that guy.. I think he was some sort of ninja


man, those old UFC's were great. Underground and dirty. I remember being like 14 or 15, waiting anxiously for the latest one to hit the rental store.


good times

[Yukon_1449]

Yeah, there was nothing else like the old ones. We were around 17 when UFC 6 was going to be close, so we took off to Casper Wy and got 2nd row for the fights. Did the same for several after that. The fighters are all great. They all took pics with us at the after party.

If you have not been, you need to go and check it out. If they still have the after party, buy the tickets and go. Great time.

[Cromwell]

LAS VEGAS, February 4 – Chuck Liddell won the battle and the war.

Before a sold-out Mandalay Bay Events Center Saturday night, ‘The Iceman’ retained his UFC light heavyweight crown with a second round TKO of Randy Couture, giving him the final 2-1 edge in the trilogy between the light heavyweight greats. After the bout, Couture, 42, the only fighter in UFC history to win the heavyweight and light heavyweight titles, announced his retirement, leaving barely a dry eye in the house.

“I’m retiring tonight,” said Couture. “This is it for me. I feel blessed to have been able to come in here and compete.”

As for the fight itself, after a pair of unforgettable openings (Couture to AC/DC’s ‘Thunderstruck’ and Liddell to DMX’s ‘Intro’) that put the crowd on their feet and kept them there, the two future hall of famers circled each other warily, looking for openings as the crowd alternately cheered for their favorite fighter. Each brief exchange brought a roar, but neither was willing to commit to a sustained attack. Liddell was the more active of the two though as Couture looked to counter the strikes of ‘The Iceman’. Couture continued to stalk behind a high guard, and his sporadic strikes seemed to take Liddell out of his rhythm. Liddell quickly recovered though, rocking Couture briefly with a right to the head. But as Liddell moved in for the kill, Couture, his nose now bloodied, was able to recover and take the champion to the mat for the remainder of the round.

Couture refused to deviate from his fight plan in the second round, as he followed Liddell around the Octagon while throwing in the occasional counter to Liddell’s heavier shots. But soon, Couture’s luck ran out, and as he shot in with a left hand, Liddell landed the same short right hand that ended the pair’s second fight, and Couture again crashed limply to the mat. Liddell’s follow-up shots on the fallen Couture were exclamation marks on the victory, and referee John McCarthy called a stop to the bout at 1:28 of the second stanza.

[glenlivet]

anyone know of a good torrent site for mma?

how about one for ufc 57?

[Cromwell]

anyone know of a good torrent site for mma?

how about one for ufc 57?

Yeah - I'd be interested in seeing any video of the "PPV MMA" events as well.

By the way - check this stuff out:

Elite Grappler gets tapped by white belt in competition


http://www.bjjfighter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=217

Go "white belts" :icon_mrgr

[Papagolash]

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.

Riggs reportedly decided against pressing charges.

[whoisisthis]

Elite Grappler gets tapped by white belt in competition


http://www.bjjfighter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=217

Go "white belts" :icon_mrgr
that was awesome!


here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn

[Kid Brock]

Word around here is that Diaz and his boys jumped Riggs after the fight.

He is notorious for always thinking he was screwed out of a win, he never thinks he actually gets out fought. He has acted up before after fights, do not be suprised if Dana White throws him out of the UFC for awhile.


SHUTUP AND TAKE YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN YOU WHINY BITCH!

p.s. Don't tell him I said that he could kill me if he wanted.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Diaz is a straight up street brawler, if he had more self discipline he'd act like a man and learn from his mistake and grow from it.

[Yukon_1449]

here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn[/QUOTE]



Great vid, I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.

How awesome was it to see Eilers and Mir get beat down. Love it. I can't stand those guys.

[Cromwell]

that was awesome!


Yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive. Considering that Roy Nelson had beaten Frank Mir and Diego Sanchez in submission grappling tournaments prior to that. Just goes to show you’ve got to always be ready.


here's BJ Penn as a white belt mopping the floor with Judo black belts:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4180590980863004593&q=bj+penn

Very cool, whoisisthis. I liked seeing that one a lot.

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.


Man, that is some serious bad blood. I know Diaz is a hothead, but that’s taking a “sport competition” too far. Anyway, his actual beef should be with the judges.


Word around here is that Diaz and his boys jumped Riggs after the fight.


Where were Riggs “boys”?


He is notorious for always thinking he was screwed out of a win, he never thinks he actually gets out fought.


Right. Its what he said after he lost that close decision to Sanchez. But, Diego *did* beat him.


He has acted up before after fights, do not be suprised if Dana White throws him out of the UFC for awhile.


Well, he wouldn’t be getting any primetime slots after this loss anyway. I suppose he can head over to Pride or Chuck Norris’ new league.


SHUTUP AND TAKE YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN YOU WHINY BITCH!


Agreed.


I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.


Indeed.

That fight and Franklin v. The Crow should be awesome.

[whoisisthis]

Great vid, I can't wait to see BJ fight in the next UFC. He is a killer. His fight with St. Pierre should be legendary. The next UFC should be a great one.

yeah, it's gonna kick ass



but his rematch with Hughes is gonna be epic! I can't wait..

[IDontCare05]

Dam I wish I saw this thread earlier....It was a great fight but I was very sad to see Randy retire.

Can't wait for the next UFC fight.

[whoisisthis]

yeah, that was pretty touching



he went out like a champ

[whoisisthis]

here's a few UFC 57 fight videos

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=UFC+57&search_type=search_videos

[Yukon_1449]

Thanks for the link. Now I can watch Eilers get beat down over and over again. I love it when the croation sedation fighters go down.

[locallounge]

The WrestlingObserver reports that UFC's Nick Diaz and Joe Riggs got into a fist-fight at a Las Vegas hospital following their PPV fight that went the distance.

Although the judges decided that Joe Riggs won the close, three-round fight, Nick Diaz felt that he actually won the fight, and the two exchanged words.

Diaz then planted what is being called a sucker punch on Riggs; the winner came back to continue the fight before the two were pulled apart.

Riggs reportedly decided against pressing charges.

Nick Diaz radio interview:

Part 1: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748657&FID=1&pc=23

Part 2: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748714&FID=1&pc=6

[Cromwell]

Nick Diaz radio interview:

Part 1: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748657&FID=1&pc=23

Part 2: http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=748714&FID=1&pc=6

Fuckin' cool!

Thanks man.

[locallounge]

Here is a Joe Riggs interview, which took place before the Diaz interview...

http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Riggs-Hospital-Interview---Part-1

http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Riggs-Hospital-Interview---Part-2

[whoisisthis]

good find, LL!

[Yukon_1449]

Great audio, thanks for the link Local.

[Cromwell]

Great find (again) LL.

Ha, ha - Riggs now wants "fat head" Leben :icon_mrgr

Is one of the interviewers Frank Triggs?

What show is this?

Where is it originally aired?

[Palerider4146]

First of all great job to whoever started this thread and took it out of the BS "wrestling" threads. By the way, to show you how my interests in MMA have been brought back, I shelled out the $40 for the PPV, cant wait for my wife to see the next cable bill!

Although it sucks to see Couture go out like that, it was a fitting "passing of the torch". Two KO's like that may be a big enough of a sign.

I actually like Mir and it sucked to see him go down like that, reminiscant of the Kenny Florian elbow to Chris Leban. I think given the time Mir could have come back.

Babalu should get a title shot but I do believe Chuck will KO him. I also wouldnt mind to see that guy who KO'd Eilers to come down to 205, that kid was pretty impressive. Also should be a interesting match with Tito's return to the UFC against Forrest Griffin. By the way what happened to Bonner, havnt heard much of him lately. Wasnt he a student of Carlson Gracie by the way?

In regards to Diaz, he is a little baby. Yeah he rocked Riggs in the first round, which I guess you could give him the round for, but other than that he did nothing. Joe Rogan gave him the first 2 rounds, but that just may have been the coke talking. Riggs out boxed him the whole fight. Diaz has had some good fights, but he talked a lot of shit about Diego and Riggs, and they both beat him. Time for the little hood rat to grow up. I also think Riggs may want to stay at 185, he looked real tired from cutting all the weight. By the way, that bald heavyweight (forget his name) who is the no gui Jui Jitsu world champ was pretty impressive, wouldnt mind seeing him fight again. MMA is really "growing up" and hopefully becoming more mainstream.

One question, does anyone know if the UFC is "officially sanctioned" like boxing is, and does it really make a difference.

One more note of interest, last weeks Sports Illustrated's what to watch on TV actually had the UFC 57 PPV listed, baby steps to the mainstream.

[Yukon_1449]

One question, does anyone know if the UFC is "officially sanctioned" like boxing is, and does it really make a difference.

Yes the UFC is offcially sanctioned by the Las Vegas, New Jersey, and NY boxing commisions. It makes a huge difference in the sport. Without the sanction, UFC or any high profile MMA event would be outlawed in the US because it is "brutal" (even though more people die to boxing injuries every year). Before the sanctions, they had to hold the events in Wyoming, Lousiana, Georgia, etc in cities that welcomed them and states without boxing commisions.

An example, I was in the lobby of the Westin in Detroit before UFC 9. The afternoon before the fight, all the buzz was that a group had sued to stop the event that day. The judge ruled it could go on but they could only strike with and open hand, like they do in Pancrase. That is why if you watch the Shamrock v Severn II fight from UFC 9, Ken is only fighting with open hand strikes. He did not even want to fight and was going to back out before his dad talked him into staying. Sanctioning has helped to avoid these types of situations.

[Palerider4146]

Thanks Yukon I wasnt sure. I actually do remember the early UFC days fighting from East Bumfuck, MS and places like that. I just thought since the UFC implemented more "humane" rules that the big markets began to tolerate it again. By the way, are there more frequent PPV's than usual this year. I just got back in the UFC after the TUF 1 show, but besides this last PPV their are already PPV's set for March, April and May. Is this more than normal. Also seems that the UFC will be sanctioned in California as of next month.
V

[Yukon_1449]

Pale, not sure on the reasons for increased PPV events. I was wondering the same thing. My best guess is that they are possibly trying to keep up with Pride FC since they have PPV on more then UFC. Also, they could be trying to capitalize on the TUF shows since they have brought in alot of new fans and brought back old ones.

AS for Cal, yes, I understand MMA will be sanctioned there. Frank Shamrock is supposed to make his fighting return by taking on Cesar Gracie in March. (non UFC) http://www.frankshamrock.com/ Fight will be in San Jose. I can't wait to see if Frank still has it. That guy went out on top. If anyone has not seen it, check out Frank V. Tito. One of the best fights ever.

[whoisisthis]

Frank Shamrock is supposed to make his fighting return by taking on Cesar Gracie in March.

it's good to see Shamrock back in the game..


I predict bad things for Gracie

[Yukon_1449]

it's good to see Shamrock back in the game..


I predict bad things for Gracie


Yeah, if Shamrock is even close to where he was when he left, Gracie will be in big trouble. It could be a real bad year for the Gracie family. With Cesar fighting Frank, and Royce returning to fight Hughes, it could be ugly. Royce does not stand a chance. I may acutally have to cheer for Royce, just for old times sake.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I know this thread is mostly UFC, but there ain't shit on TV right now and I'm watching Chuck Liddell vs. Quentin Rampage in Pride...I dunno when this fight was, I think they said it was two years ago. Chuck got fuckin ROCKED by this Rampage-guy. He got staggered a bunch of times in the first round, his corner threw in the towel in the 5 minute overtime

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

[Yukon_1449]

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

Opinions will vary, esp with those who have never seen or heard of Pride, but this is my take since I follow both. The difference between the 2 is that Pride is like watching the majors and UFC is more like the minors. Both are pros but one just looks so much better then the other. That is not to take away from the UFC. Pride has a deeper pool of fighters at every weight level. The best UFC fighters would be mid to above average fighters in Pride. Many UFC fighters have gone on to Pride and done well. The prob is the UFC pays their fighters in goats and chickens and the Pride fighters get alot of money to fight (hopefully some gisha girls as well). Pride sells out large areans that hold tens of thousands of fans. It is gigantic in Japan.

The good thing for the UFC is that their PPV buy numbers have been fantastic. I think they had over 300,000 buys for the last show, and this next show should be terrific. The TUF show has brought many new fans in. This will hopefully mean more money for fighters so the can keep them. In a Pride show, all the fights are usually fantasitic. With the UFC, there are always a couple where I am on the floor laughing because the fighters are not that good ie. a couple of UFC's ago.

Rules are another problem, in the UFC, you can't kick while they are down, knee on ground or prone, foot stomp on ground. In Pride, it is all legal. The only thing you can't do is headbutt, eye gouge, and fish hook (the UFC used to be)

I love both and support both. Hell I started watching UFC 3 and went to my first live fight at UFC 6. I have been to several since then. IF you like UFC, watch a whole Pride, the fighters are all amazing, there are some real killers over there. There is a Pride coming up in a few weeks, but I am not sure who is fighting, some of the big names fought the 1st of January.

As for that fight with Chuck and Quentin, Quentin is an animal and is one of the best fighters out there. Being able to beat that guy is no small task.

I know this was long but I hope it helps.

[locallounge]

Below are links to an article and movie review of an Anti-American film made in Turkey, featuring Tito Ortiz:

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4700154.stm
----------------------------------------------------------------------

AP Movie Review:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/movies/article.adp?id=20060202084309990001

In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents
Gary Busey, Billy Zane Co-Star in Anti-American Film
By BENJAMIN HARVEY, AP

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

More at link...

[Yukon_1449]

Below are links to an article and movie review of an Anti-American film made in Turkey, featuring Tito Ortiz:

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4700154.stm
----------------------------------------------------------------------

AP Movie Review:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/movies/article.adp?id=20060202084309990001

In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents
Gary Busey, Billy Zane Co-Star in Anti-American Film
By BENJAMIN HARVEY, AP

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

More at link...


As if I didn't need any more reason to hate Tito, this is it. Not only do I hope he gets his face kicked against Forest. After the fight, I hope the ambulance drives out of the parking lot, hits a pregant lady, his gurney goes flying out of the ambulance when they hit the breaks and he lands in a puddle of AIDS.

[whoisisthis]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159

4/16/06
Tito Ortiz Vs. Forrest Griffin


I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.

[whoisisthis]

I know this thread is mostly UFC, but there ain't shit on TV right now and I'm watching Chuck Liddell vs. Quentin Rampage in Pride...I dunno when this fight was, I think they said it was two years ago. Chuck got fuckin ROCKED by this Rampage-guy. He got staggered a bunch of times in the first round, his corner threw in the towel in the 5 minute overtime

What's the better fighting promotion? Pride or UFC? Or is that like a WWF vs. WCW, Coke vs. Pepsi, teen vs. pre-teen type of arguement? Just wonderin...

besides the different fighters(PRIDEs HW div owns, imo), the ring vs. octagon is a huge difference


The octagon tend to favor groundfighters who like to stack their opponent against the fence asap, and keep them there, where as the ring seems to keep things on two feet, or nice fast-paced grappling.

[locallounge]

Not exactly MMA, but here is a link to a video of Kurt Angle vs Daniel Puder. It doesn't exactly look like a work, but who knows. There are rumors about the story behind this match, if anybody knows more feel free to post.
Anyways, Daniel Puder will be in a MMA fight as part of the upcoming Frank Shamrock vs Cesar Gracie fight on March 10th.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Daniel-Puder-vs-Kurt-Angle?v=txUQwaHBdo4&search=ufc

[Steam]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159



I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.

I'm hoping that that happens too. You have to wonder who Dana White will be pulling for in that one. On one hand he has had numerous problems with Tito in the past and Forrest is a TUF product but on the other he probably had to throw some big money Tito's way and a loss to Forrest will jeopardize the marketability of Ortiz/Shamrock II. Although I am sure they get into it pretty good during TUF 3 that that alone should help market it.

When does the St.Pierre/Penn winner face Hughes? Must be after Hughes gets hugged by Gracie for five rounds.

[Maynard James K]

Just came across this, don't know if you guys saw this yet.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/jblank31/Riggs_Diaz_111.jpg

[Papagolash]

speaking of Tito..


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159



I'm gonna wait till the card develops, but it looks like I'll be going to this one. Hopefully Tito gets KTFO.


I have a feeling Forrest is going to beat the shit outta Tito.

[Papagolash]

Not exactly MMA, but here is a link to a video of Kurt Angle vs Daniel Puder. It doesn't exactly look like a work, but who knows. There are rumors about the story behind this match, if anybody knows more feel free to post.
Anyways, Daniel Puder will be in a MMA fight as part of the upcoming Frank Shamrock vs Cesar Gracie fight on March 10th.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Daniel-Puder-vs-Kurt-Angle?v=txUQwaHBdo4&search=ufc


Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

oh GOD I'd love to see Forrest beat the shit outta Tito...enough of the Mexican & American flags, we get it, your parents crossed the highway

I want Forrest to win...he probably won't (if he loses, hopefully it'll be in 3 and to a cheesy cut or something like that).

Arlovsky - Silvia...please make it go 12 rounds. Arlovsky is well beyond brutal and Silvia only lost to Mir cause he didnt' drink his milk ;)

[whoisisthis]

Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.


wow.. I need to see that!

[Palerider4146]

Arlovsky - Silvia...please make it go 12 rounds. Arlovsky is well beyond brutal and Silvia only lost to Mir cause he didnt' drink his milk ;)

God damn that's a great line. I only saw the end of that fight recently on the last PPV during their intro of Mir. That was a horribile arm bar break. What happened afterwards, did Silvia run out of the cage, fall down, or just stair around wondering why the ref stopped the fight. All I know is that I have worked EMS in NYC for 17 years and shit like that still gets me a big queezy.

[Yukon_1449]

Hey guys, just thought I would remind you that there is a Pride FC this Sunday. Looks like a pretty good card. No Cro Cop or Fedor but should be good card. Quentin Jackson, Nogueira, Rizzo, Coleman, Josh "Jelly Donut" Barnett, Sperry, and many more. If you have not watched, check it out and compare with the UFC a week after that.

[locallounge]

Hey guys, just thought I would remind you that there is a Pride FC this Sunday. Looks like a pretty good card. No Cro Cop or Fedor but should be good card. Quentin Jackson, Nogueira, Rizzo, Coleman, Josh "Jelly Donut" Barnett, Sperry, and many more. If you have not watched, check it out and compare with the UFC a week after that.


PRIDE 31 UNBREAKABLE - FEBRUARY 26TH - SAITAMA SUPER ARENA

- ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA vs KIYOSHI TAMURA

- JOSH BARNETT vs KAZUHIRO NAKAMURA

- QUINTON RAMPAGE JACKSON vs YOON DONG SIK

- JOHN OLAV EINEMO vs FABRICIO WERDUM

- PEDRO RIZZO vs ROMAN ZENTSOV

- SERGEY KHARITONOV vs ALISTAIR OVEREEM

- MAURICIO SHOGUN RUA vs MARK COLEMAN

- MARK HUNT vs NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE

- TSUYOSHI KOSAKA vs MARIO SPERRY

[askewcore]

thats a really good card. its a ppv right? either way, any card with mark the hammer coleman gets my money

[locallounge]

thats a really good card. its a ppv right? either way, any card with mark the hammer coleman gets my money

Yes, it is on PPV this Sunday. BE THERE!:icon_eek:


Here is the official fight line-up, according to Pride/DSE.

1. Pedro Rizzo vs. Roman Zentsov

2. Rampage Jackson vs. Yoon Dong Sik

3. Jon Olav Einemo vs. Fabricio Werdum

4. Tsuyoshi Kosaka vs. Mario Sperry

5. Sergei Kharitonov vs. Alistair Overeem

Intermission

6. Josh Barnett vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura

7. Rodrigo Minotauro vs. Kiyoshi Tamura

8. Mauricio Shogun vs. Mark Coleman

9. Mark Hunt vs. Yosuke Nishijima

More info visit: http://www.pridefc.com/

[whoisisthis]

wow! that's a great card

[BouquetOSeaweed]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

[askewcore]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

Are you kidding?

Kosaka/Sperry
Barnett/Nakamura
Shogun/Coleman
are all good fights then you have Rampage,Rizzo and Minotauro are all fighting. Thats a damn solid night of fighting scheduled.

My only beef, more GOMI. Pride should never have a PPV anymore without Gomi in it.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.

I hope Coleman will give a good fight, but do you really care about TK and Nakamura? With all the big names on the show they could have given us fights like Rampage/Shogun and Nog/Hunt.

[Yukon_1449]

There is nothing that will bring a smile to my face quicker then when I get to witness somebody just kicking the shit out of Coleman. I hope that fights ends quickly and very violently for roid boy, lots of head stomps and knees to the head.

[whoisisthis]

This card sucks, the only interesting fight is Sergei vs Overeem

oh man... TK vs. Sperry alone is worth watching it...


I agree about Rampage/Shogun though.. that would rule


Coleman really needs to retire... for good this time

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

[askewcore]

Wasn't Frankling training out in Iowa with the Miletich camp when he first broke in?

If you really wanna be a pro fighter, you gotta quit your job and go balls out after it. Most of us aren't willing to our livelyhood on the line like that, and if you have a family you pretty much cant. So we end up working our normal jobs....thats what I think.

[locallounge]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.

I hope Coleman will give a good fight, but do you really care about TK and Nakamura? With all the big names on the show they could have given us fights like Rampage/Shogun and Nog/Hunt.


I have not seen TK in a while, so it will be interesting to watch him vs Sperry. TK actually just gave up a belt in another fight promotion to accept this fight in Pride.
Rampage already fought Shogun, I don't think he liked it much. Plus, this could be Rampages final fight with Pride, so they may not want to give him a loss, in hopes that he will re-sign.
Also, I heard they are thinking of making Hunt the next opponent for Fedor, so they may not want him to be s-canned by Nogs.
I think there are many mismatches on this card, because Pride has an Open Weight GP Tourny coming in May, and they are looking to see how some of the smaller guys will match up, hence the Coleman/Shogun, Overeem/Sergei, etc.
IMO, this is a somewhat weak PPV for Pride, but is pretty strong compared to most UFC PPVs.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

I am not a Pride hater, but I would rather watch Franklin vs Loiseau or Penn vs GSP over any fight on this card.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

What are the differences between Pride, K1, Bushido, UFC, etc...?

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I am not a Pride hater, but I would rather watch Franklin vs Loiseau or Penn vs GSP over any fight on this card.
The Penn Vs Pierre fight is going to be amazing! I can't wait.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

What are the differences between Pride, K1, Bushido, UFC, etc...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts#Rules_variations

The main differences are elbows in the UFC and knees and kicks to a grounded opponent in Pride.

Bushido shows are Pride's smaller show, with smaller guys like Gomi and Krazy Horse. K-1 is usually kickboxing, but they do some MMA shows called HERO's.

[whoisisthis]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

quit your job and find sponsors


a good school with all the connections is a huge help too

[askewcore]

Gomi fights in the Bushido shows, the next one is on April 2nd.


I dont think he's exclusive to the Bushido shows. He beat the shit out of Sakurai on New Year's Eve at Shockwave '05. That wasnt just the Bushido guys in that show.

[locallounge]

Link isn't working, but I remember that. What happened is that Puder actually started grappeling Angle and had him in a submission, Angle rolled him on Puder back, or tried to and the ref quickly counted to 3. Angle was PISSED as hell backstage because he almost got humiliated and almost tapped on live tv.

Sorry. Try this. Btw, they say on this clip that he fought in the UFC, but I don't know that to be true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT9lWxGHPsw&search=puder

[askewcore]

It sure did look like Angle was gonna tao from that kimura if the ref didnt count three.

[whoisisthis]

wow!


I wish I knew what Angle was saying to him right afterwards.

[whoisisthis]

Btw, they say on this clip that he fought in the UFC, but I don't know that to be true.


looks like you're right. This says he's 1-0, with his only pro fight being in Japan

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=8323

[CringeRadioWanted]

I'm pretty sure that whatever Angle said, it sure as hell wouldn't have gotten past the censors...how would you like to be a pro wrestler and have someone try to make his bones in a worked competition by shooting on you? That's the first time I've seen that clip, and the anger in Angle's eyes is REAL. If that were me in Puder's shoes, there would have been yellow loveliness running down both my legs.

Hmmm...let's show up one of the most respected athletes/wrestlers in a company, in an attempt to curry favor and get a job in a business where you have to work WITH someone to make a good match, not AGAINST them, per se. Great way to get a job, jackass...and even if he makes Angle tap in an attempt to get UFC to look at him, Angle wasn't ready for it, so it was the same effect as a sucker punch...utter crap.

[My Name Is Earl]

So, I'm sitting here watching UFC all access with Rich Franklin...and I got to say, I'm a little irritated.

I don't know how many of you reading this actually train MMA. I do casually...I have to work as well. I hope one day to go semi-pro or pro...but I don't mean to contend that I'm in any way in Rich Franklins league. He's a hell of a fighter, but damn. It's his job. He apparently wakes up whenever he wants "he doesn't use an alarm clock" and then spends his whole day working out. Now I know that is not easy...actually it's very very hard...but I would kill for that oppurtunity.

I wake up a 5:45 to an alarm clock go to work, get home at 6:30 pm and then have to squeeze in whatever training I can. Like I said, I'm not saying I'm of professional caliber...but I'd be willing to bet I would be a whole hell of a lot better if my full time career were training. How the hell do you score that kind of deal?

Dude are you serious? Do you think that opportunity just fell into his lap? Rich graduated from college, was a full time teacher, but decided he wanted to fight instead. With no gym to train at he is mostly self-taught; him and Josh Rafferty would read books, watch videos, cleared out a shed in Rafferty's backyard and would train with eachother everyday. His story is one of the most inspiring in all of MMA as he is now one of the top p4p fighters in the world.

Edit: http://www.richfranklin.com/about.asp

[whoisisthis]

I'm pretty sure that whatever Angle said, it sure as hell wouldn't have gotten past the censors...how would you like to be a pro wrestler and have someone try to make his bones in a worked competition by shooting on you? That's the first time I've seen that clip, and the anger in Angle's eyes is REAL. If that were me in Puder's shoes, there would have been yellow loveliness running down both my legs.

Hmmm...let's show up one of the most respected athletes/wrestlers in a company, in an attempt to curry favor and get a job in a business where you have to work WITH someone to make a good match, not AGAINST them, per se. Great way to get a job, jackass...and even if he makes Angle tap in an attempt to get UFC to look at him, Angle wasn't ready for it, so it was the same effect as a sucker punch...utter crap.

when you put it that way, it was pretty fucked. What was he doing on WWE anyways?

[askewcore]

when you put it that way, it was pretty fucked. What was he doing on WWE anyways?

I'm pretty sure that was part of thier "Tough Enough" MTV reality show.

[CringeRadioWanted]

The Puder/Angle thing was part of the last Tough Enough competition, which was run during segments of Smackdown! because MTV cancelled the show, and WWE wanted to see if they could make it work during their own time instead. (It failed miserably, and took TV time away from stories that needed advancement.) Puder was one of the finalists, along with the Miz asswipe from "Real World Whereeverthefuck".

[locallounge]

Here are the official weights from this weekends PRIDE weigh-in..

PEDRO RIZZO : 246 lbs vs ROMAN ZENTSOV : 228 lbs

QUINTON RAMPAGE JACKSON : 205 lbs vs YOON DONG SIK : 200 lbs

JOHN OLAV EINEMO : 237 lbs vs FABRICIO WERDUM : 238 lbs

KOSAKA TSUYOSHI : 222 lbs vs MARIO SPERRY : 231 lbs

SERGEY KHARITONOV : 244 lbs vs ALISTAIR OVEREEM : 228 lbs

NAKAMURA KAZUHIRO : 225 lbs vs JOSH BARNETT : 255 lbs

ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA : 240 lbs vs TAMURA KIYOSHI : 187 lbs

MAURICIO SHOGUN : 227 lbs vs MARK COLEMAN : 224 lbs

NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE : 211 lbs vs MARK HUNT : 292 lbs

[d0uche_n0zzle]

NISHIJIMA YOUSUKE : 211 lbs vs MARK HUNT : 292 lbs

That's a huge weight difference, hope the lighter guy has some skills to counter it.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Dude are you serious? Do you think that opportunity just fell into his lap? Rich graduated from college, was a full time teacher, but decided he wanted to fight instead. With no gym to train at he is mostly self-taught; him and Josh Rafferty would read books, watch videos, cleared out a shed in Rafferty's backyard and would train with eachother everyday. His story is one of the most inspiring in all of MMA as he is now one of the top p4p fighters in the world.

Edit: http://www.richfranklin.com/about.asp
Yes I'm serious. But I wasn't saying that to take away from Franklin. Believe me I know that didn't necessarily fall into his lap, and I'm sure he's worked his ass off to get there. But it was a little ridiculous for them to be running that show from a "why don't you" angle or a "you should too" if you want to fight, because no one has that kind of time, if you need to eat and have a place to sleep. Though about the falling into his lap thing...and again, I'm not saying it's true of Franklin (although he managed to get a fight against Shamrock pretty early on...) but I've noticed a lot of nepatism (spelling?)...like TUF 2, most if not all of those guys already trained with teams or big names. The shows premise is giving unknowns shots...not guys that are already close to getting in. It's just a little frustrating...and before you ask...no I wasn't shot down for getting in or anything, so I'm not bitter. I'm not at a point yet where I'd try...I'm still starting down that road.

I'm sure Franklin put in a shit load of work to get where he is, and quite frankly training 5 or 6 hours a day for anyone whether they have to work or not is a hard thing to do. I was simply saying, it's a little frustrating to see that image put forth as the norm, because it's anything but.

[My Name Is Earl]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters, was it on Spike? I can see how it would be frustrating to you though, as if you can't devote as much time as you would like to to your training. As for TUF, alot of people do talk sh*t about those guy getting shots over more deserving fighters, especially with Quarry getting that title shot angaist frankiln, but we all know how that turned out.
It's a thin line though as TUF brought in tons of new fans and the UFC wants to continue to grow the sport but without disrespecting other fighters that have already put thier time and work in w/ the UFC before TUF. Yeah most of the top fighters that have come out of TUF are not unkowns at all to people that follow the smaller MMA organizations and they were pretty much on the brink of fighting in one of the larger shows anyway. Sanchez was the undefeated champ of KOTC, Stevenson was very well known as a beast prior to TUF as well, he trains at Marc Laimon's Cobra Kai gym here in Vegas. Anyway good luck with your training, what do you train in BTW. I don't have any experience in MA, but have been a longtime fan of MMA, played tennis in HS and a year in college, so my time was mostly devoted towards that untill recently. Just moved out here from CA and am now surrounded by world class gyms and am looking into training in Boxing and/or muy thai, and eventually I hope to learn some BJJ. one step at a time though. I don't have any aspirations of being a fighter, just do it for the discipline (not yellow), fitness and just to learn something.

[My Name Is Earl]

ohhhh yeahh, Ive had a free live feed of the pride ppv 2nite. Shogun/coleman coming up next. its 230 am, im sick, need sleep, and have to work in the am but fuckit this is awsome.

[My Name Is Earl]

Holyy shiiiit, coleman is seriously on roids, I won't spoil it though for anybody thats gonna order it tommorow. WTF!? is all I gotta say.

[Yukon_1449]

Oh yeah, Coleman has been on roids for years.

[askewcore]

Oh yeah, Coleman has been on roids for years.

You ever see that special about Kerr being on the juice? I think it was on HBO and called something like "The Ultimate Fighter"? In that special Coleman is all about trying to get Kerr off the painkillers he's taking but never really tells him to get off steroids, it was actually kinda funny. He gets off the steroids for a fight and then gets squashed and goes back on them, like Lattimer in The Program.

[My Name Is Earl]

Was an awsome show last night, for anybody thinking about ordering it, you should. Can't wait for the next UFC event now, should be great as well.

[whoisisthis]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:

[Jimmy's Dignity]

You ever see that special about Kerr being on the juice? I think it was on HBO and called something like "The Ultimate Fighter"? In that special Coleman is all about trying to get Kerr off the painkillers he's taking but never really tells him to get off steroids, it was actually kinda funny. He gets off the steroids for a fight and then gets squashed and goes back on them, like Lattimer in The Program.
The Smashing Machine...they have it on Netflix

good f'in documentaryColeman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk::icon_eek: :icon_eek:

[Jaboodie]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:


Bad times!

[Yukon_1449]

Coleman vs. Shogun(obviously a spoiler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yjv5yrCek&search=pride%2031





:kjk:


Holy shit, thats wild.

[locallounge]

Here are the results:

1. Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo - KO (Punch) - R1 0:25

2 Quinton Jackson def. Dong Sik Yoon - Decision (Unanimous) - R3 5:00

3 Fabricio Werdum def. Jon Olav Einemo - Decision (Unanimous) - R3 5:00

4 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka def. Mario Sperry - KO R1 1:20

5 Alistair Overeem def. Sergei Kharitonov - TKO (Strikes) R1 5:13

6 Josh Barnett Kazuhiro Nakamura def. Submission - (Rear Naked Choke) R1 8:10

7 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Kiyoshi Tamura Submission (Armbar) - R1 2:24

8 Mark Coleman def. Mauricio Rua TKO (Dislocated Elbow) - R1 0:49

9 Mark Hunt def. Yosuke Nishijima - KO - R3 1:18

[locallounge]

Here are a few clips from the fight, for those who missed it.

Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo
http://www.youtube.com/?v=45qKEBliNpM

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Kiyoshi Tamura
http://www.youtube.com/?v=pqRJl1TZAcE

Mark Coleman def. Mauricio Rua
http://www.youtube.com/?v=s4yjv5yrCek

[whoisisthis]

Roman Zentsov def. Pedro Rizzo
http://www.youtube.com/?v=45qKEBliNpM


daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnn!!!!

thanks for posting those

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters, was it on Spike? I can see how it would be frustrating to you though, as if you can't devote as much time as you would like to to your training. As for TUF, alot of people do talk sh*t about those guy getting shots over more deserving fighters, especially with Quarry getting that title shot angaist frankiln, but we all know how that turned out.
It's a thin line though as TUF brought in tons of new fans and the UFC wants to continue to grow the sport but without disrespecting other fighters that have already put thier time and work in w/ the UFC before TUF. Yeah most of the top fighters that have come out of TUF are not unkowns at all to people that follow the smaller MMA organizations and they were pretty much on the brink of fighting in one of the larger shows anyway. Sanchez was the undefeated champ of KOTC, Stevenson was very well known as a beast prior to TUF as well, he trains at Marc Laimon's Cobra Kai gym here in Vegas. Anyway good luck with your training, what do you train in BTW. I don't have any experience in MA, but have been a longtime fan of MMA, played tennis in HS and a year in college, so my time was mostly devoted towards that untill recently. Just moved out here from CA and am now surrounded by world class gyms and am looking into training in Boxing and/or muy thai, and eventually I hope to learn some BJJ. one step at a time though. I don't have any aspirations of being a fighter, just do it for the discipline (not yellow), fitness and just to learn something.
Yeah, definitely frustrating, but like I said...honestly I'm not at a point in my training where it really effects me persay, it's just irritating to see. What you said about the title shots and stuff is definitley true, but I wasn't even talking about that. A good example is Jorge from TUF 2, arguably a great fighter but he already trained with Franklin. Not to mention most of the other fighters were already training with Liddell, or Hughes camps. I'm sorry but if you're already training with big name fighters, you can hardly be called an unknown.

I've trained in a lot of stuff, but MMA wise I've done Muay Thai, some BJJ, Erik Paulson's CSW (and I've had the priveledge of a little training with Paulson, though not in the capacity I mention above), and some Judo. I currently train under Al Buck, in Vineland with a couple of other fighters, in mix of stuff...more freestyle then anything. But we all bring a pretty big mix of skills to the table.

And yes...I think Coleman actually came out of the womb with roid rage.

[Cybouncer]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnn!!!!

thanks for posting those


That's EXACTLY what I said.

Looks like Rizzo caught it right on the button when he went for a leg kick. Just a perfectly timed shot.

How many times have you seen that go the other way with him?!:icon_eek:

[locallounge]

T. Kohsaka vs Mario Sperry
http://www.youtube.com/?v=vkblJMoS3sc

Mark Coleman trying to explain his post-fight actions (aka roid rage):
http://www.youtube.com/?v=ZZRNfDBNQZE

[whoisisthis]

Mark Coleman has lost his fucking mind-sweet

here he is right aafterwards
http://media.putfile.com/Coleman-vs-Shogun-Postfight

[Jimmy's Dignity]

:haha7: :haha7: "I gotta watch my language, my mom's watching"

"My dad had my back. 66 years old, he's never been beaten" hahahaahaha

Psycho Coleman = awesome

[Cybouncer]

Speaking of Juice Heads...

Look at how much smaller Baroni is now that he is off the shit.

He used to work out at my gym for a while before his fight @ Mohegan Sun a couple of years ago. He was an animal then.

[locallounge]

Here are a few more videos from the recent Pride 31 show:

Alistair Overeem vs Sergey Kharitonov
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UKvD16g8Ns

Mario Sperry vs Tsuyoshi Kosaka
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGiOxyTamEg

Josh Barnett vs Kazuhiro Nakamura
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XszmSI4DhL0

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson Post-fight interview
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3-i5x0u-z20

[Cromwell]

I didn't see the show you're talking about, though I would have like'd too as Rich is one of my favorite fighters

Same here.

Plus - he's a lefty (like me).

I don't see anyone beating him.

Does anyone think Loiseau or Leben can beat him?

Quarry thought he could.

However, every picture tells a story

http://www.richfranklin.com/photo/UFC56_afterwardsa.JPG
Nate and Rich a few hours after the fight

[Yukon_1449]

Great pic above. I have got to get back to a live event. I rember how much fun those after fight parties are. The first one I went to, I was shocked that all the fighters were talking with each other, taking pics, and watching the video of them getting their asses kicked and having a laugh. Most of the fighters are class acts and respect each other inside and outside the ring.

As for Franklin, he will be tough to beat. This upcoming fight should be memorable. I can't wait for Sat.

[locallounge]

Here is the line-up for this weekends UFC 58. Word is, Diego Sanchez was not cleared by doctors, and will not be fighting this weekend, so the Sanchez vs Alessio fight will not happen:.


Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweights)

For more info visit: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=156

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Here is the line-up for this weekends UFC 58. Word is, Diego Sanchez was not cleared by doctors, and will not be fighting this weekend, so the Sanchez vs Alessio fight will not happen:.


Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweights)

For more info visit: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=156
Why wasn't Sanchez cleared? I was looking forward to seeing him fight.

[locallounge]

Why wasn't Sanchez cleared? I was looking forward to seeing him fight.

Yea, I am not a big Diego fan, but I was also hoping to see him fight this weekend. From what I read it had something to do with severe dehydration. Sucks.

[askewcore]

I hate Sanchez, UFC gives him a bunch of lame dogs to demolish in an attempt to boost his career.

[locallounge]

I hate Sanchez, UFC gives him a bunch of lame dogs to demolish in an attempt to boost his career.

Diaz a lame dog? :icon_roll

[askewcore]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?

[locallounge]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?

Diego and Diaz fought on the Season Finale of "The Ultimate Fighter 2". It was probably one of the best grappling matches of the year, and Diego won by Decision. Both guys were busy the whole fight. You should see that fight, it was great.
I do not think Diego ever fought Shonie Carter, his only UFC fights so far are Florian, Gassaway, and Diaz.
You may be thinking of Nate Quarry, who fought Carter. Gassaway trains with Carter, so that could also be the mix-up.
Btw, Speaking of Shonie Carter...I think he just won a belt in KOTC.:clap:

[askewcore]

You should see that fight, it was great.

Yeah, I'll definitley search it out. Thanks for the info.

You may be thinking of Nate Quarry, who fought Carter.

Yeah I must have got them mixed up. I like Nate though.


Btw, Speaking of Shonie Carter...I think he just won a belt in KOTC.:clap:

Wow. Good for him. KotC really has a pretty weak competetion level. Is Krazy Horse Bennet in the same weight class?

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

When did he fight Diaz? I must have missed that. I stand corrected then, how did Diego look against him?

Weren't his last two fights against Gassaway and old man Shonie Carter?
Wow man...yeah you really need to see that fight. It was fantastic. I used to like Diaz too...but he seems to have really become an arogant prick. But it was a phenomenal fight. Definitely the best example of ground work that's been seen for a while in the UFC...that is of course until after this weekend.

The Penn-Pierre fight is going to be amazing!!!

[Rascal Helper]

I will be at UFC 58 on Sat. Pretty excited about seeing my first live UFC... and also about Vegas whores.

[locallounge]

Wow. Good for him. KotC really has a pretty weak competetion level. Is Krazy Horse Bennet in the same weight class?

No. Krazy Horse is 145-155lb. Carter is 185, I think. Krazy Horses next fight will be April 2nd at Pride Bushido.
Whle on the subject of Krazy Horse, in a recent interview he talks about how he took on the entire Chute Boxe team backstage, and KO'ed Vanderlei Silva. Weirdness...:icon_eek:

[Yukon_1449]

I will be at UFC 58 on Sat. Pretty excited about seeing my first live UFC... and also about Vegas whores.

If you have time and can find it, go to the after fight party. All the fighters will be there talking, taking pics, signining stuff. I imagine there will be whores there as well. Check it out, great time.

[askewcore]

Whle on the subject of Krazy Horse, in a recent interview he talks about how he took on the entire Chute Boxe team backstage, and KO'ed Vanderlei Silva. Weirdness...:icon_eek:

Eh, I dont know if I buy that story. Although, Krazy Horse does seem like the kind of guy who would be a better street fighter than cage fighter. Not to take anything away from him as a cage fighter, he's still good. But KO Vanderlei? I dunno.

I cant wait for GSP/Penn either. That's probably gonna be the fight of the year.

Good to see PRIDE having another Bushido show too. Those are always good. Gomi on the card?

[whoisisthis]

Whle on the subject of Krazy Horse, in a recent interview he talks about how he took on the entire Chute Boxe team backstage, and KO'ed Vanderlei Silva. Weirdness...:icon_eek:

I understand there's a video of that


from what I hear, it was a total suckerpunch. Totally out of character, you know:icon_roll

[askewcore]

Krazy Horse is a big scumbag. But is it just me, or does the Shudo (sp?) Box team seem to really get in alot of scuffles, outside the ring/after fights?

[locallounge]

I understand there's a video of that
from what I hear, it was a total suckerpunch. Totally out of character, you know:icon_roll

I would like to see the video. But really, if six guys are trying to fuck you up...can you really sucker punch one of them? I would call it defending myself, if anything.

Krazy Horse is a big scumbag. But is it just me, or does the Shudo (sp?) Box team seem to really get in alot of scuffles, outside the ring/after fights?

Chute Boxe does get into alot of brawls lately. At Pride 31, they stormed the stage after Mark Coleman vs Shogun, and supposedly Vanderlei tried to kick Coleman, and Phil Baroni came in and tackled Vanderlei, then it was broken up.
Pride has an Open Weight GP Tourny coming in May. It would be interesting to see V. Silva up against Baroni or Bennett in R1. Krazy Horse already said he would put on weight to fight Silva.

[whoisisthis]

I would like to see the video. But really, if six guys are trying to fuck you up...can you really sucker punch one of them? I would call it defending myself, if anything.

I think it was one of those entourage staredown things....


Wand would destroy Baroni or Bennet

[locallounge]

I think it was one of those entourage staredown things....

LoL, Kinda like in a draw. The guy that shoots first...

And I would not exactly be taking my time to see what developed, when it is Chute Boxe staring you down. Thats a 6 man wrecking crew, and Bennett is not a very big guy to begin with.

[whoisisthis]

very true

[locallounge]

Wand would destroy Baroni AND Bennet
:action-sm

[locallounge]

Now Kenny Florian is out with a bad back. Wtf?

[whoisisthis]

yeah, just saw that.


even though this card is falling apart, GSP/BJP and Franklin/Loiseau makes it worth the price. These two are gonna be amazing

[locallounge]

Instead of Florian, it will now be Spencer Fisher vs Stout.

[whoisisthis]

props to Fisher for taking it on such short notice

[locallounge]

props to Fisher for taking it on such short notice

Yea, no shit. The guy is going to have to cut about 20 pounds in two days to make 155.:icon_eek:

[askewcore]

If Vegas keeps this fight on the board, Fisher might be a pretty heavy underdog, with a pretty good chance to win. I dont know much about Stout, is he good? I know I've seen Fisher and was impressed by him.

[locallounge]

If Vegas keeps this fight on the board, Fisher might be a pretty heavy underdog, with a pretty good chance to win. I dont know much about Stout, is he good? I know I've seen Fisher and was impressed by him.

I have never seen Stout fight. He is the canadian Lightweight Champ, I believe. Should be interesting. I wonder if Stout will take the fight, if Fisher comes in over-weight?

[av8rOC]

Damn, I need to brouse the forums more often, I had no idea there were so many MMA fans on wackbag!

I am very excited for saturday, I think this is the best PPV event in recent memory, soley based on the GSP/Penn Loiseau/Franklin flights alone.

On a side note I wish they talked MMA now and again on the show, I think they would be surprised at the response.

[whoisisthis]

On a side note I wish they talked MMA now and again on the show, I think they would be surprised at the response.

no coubt. MMA is definetly on it's way to becoming a mainstream sport


they really should get some fighters on the show every once in a while. I hear Chuck doing all these small shows before big fights.. there's no reason O&A couldn't get them on

[av8rOC]

no coubt. MMA is definetly on it's way to becoming a mainstream sport


they really should get some fighters on the show every once in a while. I hear Chuck doing all these small shows before big fights.. there's no reason O&A couldn't get them on

I have a buddy thats close friends with Brett, Op's brother and runs into Opie a bunch at FH Rileys. Hes also a huge MMA fan. Im gonna ask him to tell Op we want some MMA on the show:action-sm

[DriftwoodX]

I Think when Rogan was on , Ant said he liked MMA , but Opie said he did't

[novalia]

I Think when Rogan was on , Ant said he liked MMA , but Opie said he did't

Yeah Op doesnt really have an idea of what's happening in MMA... he still thinks its so terrbily brutal... i think he is a little squeemish..

I just picked up a bunch of MMA DVDs on EBay... cant wait til they arrive =)

[Papagolash]

3 words.

Jason Mayhem Miller.


Get him and Rogan on the show and I'm sure it'll be fucking nuts in there.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Yeah Op doesnt really have an idea of what's happening in MMA... he still thinks its so terrbily brutal... i think he is a little squeemish..

I just picked up a bunch of MMA DVDs on EBay... cant wait til they arrive =)

Yet, he loves hockey. Go figure.

[whoisisthis]

another reason to like Randy Couture. He chokes bitches

http://www.thedailycouncil.com/mediaholder/99836125a.html

[Cybouncer]

another reason to like Randy Couture. He chokes bitches

http://www.thedailycouncil.com/mediaholder/99836125a.html


HOLY FUCK

I just fell out of the chair I was laughing so hard.

I loved the part when she started to wake up and she just had that look on her face like WTF?

I also liked her fat Pussy buldge showing through her tight pants...

[locallounge]

Holy shit, this bill is crumbling...
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LAS VEGAS – It wasn’t the type of injury anyone expects a mere day and a half before a fight, but while engaging in light sparring Thursday night for his fight at UFC 58 against Tom Murphy, Christophe Midoux took a knee to the stomach and suffered a hernia, forcing him to a local hospital and rendering him unable to compete in Saturday’s bout at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.

UFC matchmaker Joe Silva, who got the call from Team Midoux at midnight, was luckily able to secure the services of Icho Larenas at the 11th hour, and the 6-3, 235 pound TKO heavyweight champion, who has won three in a row – all by stoppage - will now face Murphy at UFC 58 tomorrow night.

[whoisisthis]

jesus..


oh well, as long as the two important fights happen.

props to Icho for taking the fight on such short notice:idiot:

[whoisisthis]

so here's where my money is

Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau - Franklin
Georges St. Pierre vs. BJ Penn - Penn
Nate Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen - Marquardt
Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault - Swick
Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick - Edwards
Rob MacDonald vs. Jason Lambert - Lambert
Tom Murphy vs. Iccho Larenas - Larenas
Spencer Fisher vs. Sam Stout - Fisher

[av8rOC]

so here's where my money is

Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau - Franklin
Georges St. Pierre vs. BJ Penn - Penn
Nate Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen - Marquardt
Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault - Swick
Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick - Edwards
Rob MacDonald vs. Jason Lambert - Lambert
Tom Murphy vs. Iccho Larenas - Larenas
Spencer Fisher vs. Sam Stout - Fisher

Im taking GSP. Otherwise I agree with all your pics. Cant wait for tonight!

[av8rOC]

Im taking GSP. Otherwise I agree with all your pics. Cant wait for tonight!

BTW theres a video on sherdog.com of the weigh in yesterday. Seems like people are pretty pumped for the two big matches.

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=593

[Nitetrane]

Just got home from work, checked out the preview and watched Matt Hughes get choked out by BJ Penn... AWESOME! I'm ordering and psyched bigtime for this card, happening in a few minutes! BAM!

[IDontCare05]

Just ordered the fight....This is going to be a great one.

[Palerider4146]

That couture vid was friggin awesome, if men were allowed to do that just once a week, there would be so many less Scott Peterson cases. By the way, I got home late and couldnt order the fight, is there any "special" websites a guy can go to to find the fight?

[whoisisthis]

I wish I knew of one as well


I ordered it, but my satellite went out:icon_evil





I have $ on this one, and I have to settle for the play by play posts at sherdog.net for the results:icon_sad:

::edit:: there's usually some decent spoiler threads here. I knew I shouldhave found a bar in Chico that had it http://www.sherdog.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=47

[Nitetrane]

Well, I I'd say it was a decent showing overall. I really liked the first lightweight bout. The GSP vs. Penn fight was overall the best fight of the card. Very hard to live up to the pre-fight expectations, but it was really good throughout. GSP did a really good job composing himself after being badly bloodied at the end of the 1st round. Hope to see more of Penn though. The Franklin fight was 5 rounds of complete domination. Who now poses as the biggest threat for him?

[Monkey_Hummer]

Kudos to Rich Franklin for fighting 3 rounds with a broken left hand, and kudos for Loiseau for being a punching bag. I think he was pissing Franklin off by running away for the most part through the match.

As much as I wanted Penn to win, there was no way he was going to after those takedowns in the third. GSP sure was bleeding all over the place though. He showed some guts in that one.

[Cromwell]

LAS VEGAS, March 4 – Tonight was supposed to be Rich Franklin’s toughest test yet, but after a five round battering of courageous challenger David Loiseau at UFC 58 – USA vs Canada before 10,362 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center, the only question has to be, who has a legitimate shot to challenge the UFC middleweight champion?

The unanimous five round decision read 50-42 twice and 50-43 for Franklin, who defended his crown for the second time and did it with a broken left hand from the second round on.

“It’s the first fight where I’ve gone to a decision, so I’m very displeased with myself,” said Franklin, who could now be dubbed ‘The Punisher’ after his dominating performance.

Kicking was the weapon of choice early on. Loiseau missed his first high kick, but landed his second, causing nary a pause from Franklin, who responded with a kick of his own that was in turn answered by ‘The Crow’. Both decided to test their hands moments later, and though Loiseau’s handspeed was superior, it was Franklin who jarred the challenger and sent him sprawling into the fence briefly. Loiseau answered with a flush shot of his own, but Franklin took it well. With under 1:30 to go, Franklin picked up his pace abit, though many of his shots were deflected or avoided by Loiseau. The respect both fighters had for each other was obvious though, and it appeared that the combatants were settling in for a long battle, something that almost didn’t happen when Franklin put Loiseau on the deck at the bell with a right to the jaw.

Looking to follow-up on his good fortune from the previous round, Franklin aggressively pursued Loiseau, who refused to engage when the champion attacked. Loiseau then suffered a delayed reaction to a punch from Franklin and the champ pounced and put the challenger on the mat. Once the two rose, Loiseau, with a nasty knot over his right eye and a bloody nose, was even less amenable to trading with the champ, even turning his back on Franklin on a few occasions. With under two minutes left, Franklin continued to dominate from corner to corner as Loiseau’s legs didn’t even seem to want to hold him anymore. With less than 30 seconds left, Franklin went for the finish, slamming Loiseau and pounding him, but the bell intervened.

Loiseau opened up with some kicks to start the third round and make a charge for the title, but again it was Franklin with a quick takedown that turned into a sequence where he got Loiseau’s back and looked to end the bout. ‘The Crow’ survived, but when he rose, the knot over his right eye worsened and he was cut over both eyes. After the doctor allowed the fight to continue, Loiseau finally struck paydirt, knocking Franklin to the mat with a left hook and suddenly putting the Cincinnati native in trouble.

“I wasn’t hurt, I wanted to create a little drama,” joked Franklin. “That’s a lie. Dave clipped me.”

Franklin was able to buy some time along the fence though, and he again put it on the Montreal native, whose face was battered beyond recognition. Loiseau, who was obviously having trouble seeing, started to paw with his arm to at least touch Franklin and know where he was, undoubtedly a bad sign, but he was able to survive the third stanza.

At the start of the fourth, the two combatants again touched gloves, this time even smiling at each other in appreciation of the courage each other was showing. By the end of the opening minute, Franklin again got Loiseau’s back and battered the courageous Canadian, who refused to give in. A slam by ‘Ace’ at the three minute mark didn’t help matters, and referee John McCarthy was watching the fight closely, but when Loiseau rose, he was ready to fight again. Franklin, way ahead at this point, took the pace back a bit as looked to reload his guns for another run in the final round.

Far behind, Loiseau went for broke in the fifth, still throwing leg kicks with brutal power. Franklin was just too strong at this point in the fight, and he easily took ‘The Crow’ down again. Loiseau tried to fight his way out of trouble, but Franklin put him right back in a precarious spot and got his back once again – usually a sure way to end a fight, but it was as if Loiseau got it in his head that he would not give in at any cost.

He didn’t. And even though he lost his fight for the UFC middleweight title, David Loiseau definitely earned the crown as the toughest fighter in the world.

Georges St. Pierre was the spitting image of a 9 to 5 businessman when he entered the UFC Octagon at 5:08 local time to warm up in a suit, tie, and no shoes. But once he returned to fight former UFC welterweight champion BJ Penn, he was all fighter, as he survived a bloody pounding in the first round to win the next two on two of the three judges’ cards and earn a split decision in the highly anticipated bout that actually lived up to the hype.

Scores were 29-28 twice and 28-29 for St. Pierre, who earned a rematch against current UFC welterweight king Matt Hughes with the win. Penn, who entered the bout wearing the championship belt he never lost in the Octagon, was disappointed with the verdict.

“I just feel that I probably did more damage,” said Penn. “But he fought well.”

Penn - making his first UFC appearance in two years after a contract dispute and lawsuit kept him out of the Octagon - was barely able to contain himself as he awaited the opening bell, and the roar of the crowd was ear-splitting. Penn came straight out at his foe, looking to land a bomb, but St. Pierre kept his cool in perhaps the biggest fight of his life. A flurry by Penn left St. Pierre blinking his eye from an inadvertent thumb, but also left his nose bloodied. “I “saw two BJ Penns,” said St. Pierre.

At the three-minute mark, the two clinched and St. Pierre walked Penn to the fence and tried to work his knees. Penn responded with knees of his own and fought off St. Pierre’s takedown attempts. After a break, the two traded, and St. Pierre picked up his pace with punches and kicks. Penn calmly stood in the pocket though and picked at his opponent with accurate shots that opened a cut under St. Pierre’s right eye.

“This is the first time in my career I bled a lot and I learned a lot,” said St. Pierre, who fought much of the fight with his face covered in crimson. “I was really hurt in the first round.”

Looking to turn the tide, St. Pierre came out fast, shooting out jabs and kicks that surprised Penn. After locking up again, St. Pierre was finally able to put Penn on the mat, where he worked from inside the Hilo native’s guard briefly before standing and landing a couple of shots on the prone Penn. With a little over three minutes left, both fighters stood and St. Pierre was able to bully Penn back to the fence for a moment before ‘The Prodigy’ fought his way back to the center of the Octagon. Again, St. Pierre was able to land kicks, but his strikes were having little effect on Penn, whose hands were considerably heavier, though not as active. With under a minute to go, Penn opened up a bit more with his back to the fence, but it was St. Pierre who ended the round the strongest when he took Penn down to the mat just before the bell sounded.

With the fight seemingly up for grabs, the third began with both fighters looking to trade, but it was St. Pierre who was able to outland Penn, an amazing feat given the way the bout began and with the amount of blood lost by the Montreal fighter. With under four minutes left, St. Pierre scored his biggest takedown, picking up Penn and slamming him to the mat. Penn was able to work his way back to his feet, but St. Pierre put him right back against the fence. At the 2:15 mark Penn went for his first takedown of the fight, but St. Pierre avoided it adroitly and again smothered Penn against the Octagon fence before taking him down again with just under a minute left in the fight. Penn, a jiu-jitsu ace, looked to submit St. Pierre in a last ditch effort on the ground, but it was not to be.

“Do the fans want to see me fight for the title?” asked St. Pierre.

Yes we do.

Middleweight Mike Swick was forced past the 30 second mark for the first time in the UFC but he still didn’t see round two yet, as he submitted Quebec’s Steve Vigneault in the opening stanza of their swing bout.

“I gave him all the respect in the world and I trained like I never trained before,” said Swick, a member of the cast of the first season of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ reality show.

Swick looked to make it three sub-25 second KOs in a row, but Vigneault smothered his foe’s attack and held on until referee Steve Mazzagatti broke the two. After another flurry that didn’t hit paydirt, Vigneault again clinched until a break. Swick was able to then land a flying knee, and while Vigneault held the knee and brought Swick to the canvas, ‘Quick’ immediately sunk in a guillotine choke and forced a tap out at 2:09 of the opening round.

“That’s a Swickotine,” said Swick. “It’s a little quicker and stronger.”

In another middleweight battle, Wyoming native Nathan Marquardt outlasted Manitoba’s Joe Doerksen in a quality bout between two of the most seasoned veterans in the sport.

All three judges scored the bout 30-27 in a bout that was a lot closer than the judges’ scores would indicate.

Marquardt, looking to erase the memory of his less than compelling debut win over Ivan Salaverry, immediately remedied that problem by scoring with punches and kicks and almost securing a guillotine choke, but Doerksen weathered the early storm and traded with Marquardt evenly until the two tumbled to the mat with a little over a minute to go. After a lull in the action, the fighters stood and looked for openings on the feet, with Doerksen scoring effectively with a couple of leaping punches to the head.

Doerksen started off the second round much the way Marquardt began the first, and he took his foe to the mat. Marquardt quickly got out of trouble though and soon reversed his position on the ground before the combatants stood again and traded for a bit before another trip to the floor. This time around, Marquardt was able to land a couple of strikes when Doerksen allowed him breathing room, and continued his good fortune when on the feet moments later. But just as soon as that line was written, Doerksen briefly stunned Marquardt with a bomb to the chin, but was unable to follow up. After the two wrestled on the mat, Marquardt stood and had his bearings back, and he ended the round behind some strong striking.

“He’s got a tough chin,” said Marquardt. “I’ve caught a lot of guys not as hard as that and they went down.”

In the third, both fighters came on strong, with Marquardt gaining the upper hand after sending Doerksen’s mouthpiece flying with heavy shots and then putting him on the mat. After a brief respite on the ground, referee John McCarthy stood the fighters up, and again Doerksen was rocked by Marquardt. To his credit, Doerksen stood in the pocket and fought back hard before tumbling to the mat with ‘Nate The Great’ in tow. With the fight apparently sown up, Marquardt ran out the final minute of the bout, and moved to 2-0 in UFC action.

Mark Hominick had plenty on his mind entering his UFC debut against one of MMA’s pound for pound best, Yves Edwards, but with his father’s fight against cancer inspiring him, the Ontario lightweight upset the heavily favored Texan, submitting him in the second round of a scheduled three rounder.

Both lightweights immediately got to business, with Edwards landing knees in the Thai clinch and Hominick fighting him off effectively and continuing to stalk his foe. ‘The Machine’ was cool under the pressure of his first UFC bout, and he was able to land uppercuts while in Edwards’ clinch. Edwards remained the consummate pro though, waiting for his opening while still being busy enough to score points. Hominick appeared to gain confidence with each passing second and aggressively pursued the Texan, but Edwards showed the little extras that don’t always appear in heavier weight bouts, including slick defense and body punching with both hands.

In the second, Edwards looked for the takedown, but Hominick fought it off and responded with a flurry of shots that stunned his opponent and put him on the defensive. Hominick’s aggression allowed Edwards to succeed on a second takedown attempt, but once on the mat, Hominick was able to sink in a triangle choke that forced Edwards to tap at the 1:53 mark of the second frame.

In undercard action…

In the first lightweight bout in the UFC since 2004, Sam Stout showed his ‘Hands of Stone’ as he pounded out a close three round split decision over Spencer Fisher in a bout that showed why the lightweight division has the most exciting fighters in mixed martial arts.

Scores were 29-28 twice, and 28-29 for Stout, who was scheduled to fight Kenny Florian until a back injury forced Florian out and brought Fisher in on three days notice.

The bombs went flying instantly, landing with a thud, and after a brief trip to the mat, the lightweight bombers got back to throwing heavy shots. One minute in, Fisher scored a beautiful takedown, but Stout immediately jumped up to this feet. Fisher walked forward with little regard for Stout’s punching power and landed a couple of flush shots before scoring another takedown. Fisher effectively worked his ground and pound on the mat, but Stout hung tough as he worked to better his position. Fisher stood and scored with a kick to the chest, but that decision also allowed Stout to get back to his feet and trade with his foe until the bell.

Stout opened the second round effectively, mixing in punches and kicks from long range as Fisher pursued. Fisher’s face started to show the wear of battle and he seemed to also be showing the effects of being forced to drop to the 155 pound weight limit from welterweight in just two days. ‘The King’ kept moving forward though, scoring well with a knee on the inside that caught Stout by surprise. The action didn’t let up throughout the round, and Stout’s strong round brought the first chants of ‘Canada, Canada.’ In the final minute, Fisher got Stout to the mat again and almost sunk in a heel hook, but the London, Ontario native escaped.

With the fight seemingly up for grabs, both fighters stood and looked for the shot that would turn the tide. Stout worked punches and kicks well from long range, and Fisher tried for the takedown but paid for getting inside with quick 1-2s. With a little under three minutes left in the fight, Fisher got his takedown, with Stout working his way out by the two minute mark. When the fight went to the mat again with 1:30 left, Stout scored with some strikes, but Fisher soon worked his way into side control. A move to full mount was avoided as Stout pushed his tired foe off and jumped to his feet, where the bout ended with a rousing cheer from the crowd.

The wait to get to the UFC was a long one, but for Jason ‘The Punisher’ Lambert it was worth it, as he submitted ‘The Ultimate Fighter’s Rob MacDonald in less than two minutes in a light heavyweight bout.

Long Beach, California’s Lambert – who owns wins over UFC vets Marvin Eastman and Travis Wiuff - immediately came out looking for the takedown, but MacDonald sprawled his way out of trouble. Not for long though. Lambert slammed MacDonald to the mat, and though the TUF 2 alum fought his way back up, Lambert dropped him a second time and this time quickly secured a kimura, forcing a tap-out at 1:54 of the opening round.

“It was so tight I though I was gonna rip it off and take it home with me,” said Lambert of the submission lock that ended the bout.

In the heavyweight opener, Tom Murphy, a cast member of season two of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ reality show, got his first UFC victory with a dominating third round stoppage of late replacement Icho Larenas, who took the fight on one day’s notice after original opponent Christophe Midoux was forced out with a hernia.

Looking to make a good impression in his Octagon debut, Murphy struck first, bulling Larenas into the fence and following up with a loud takedown. From there, the Vermont resident worked on a ground and pound strategy as Larenas simply tried to stall enough to force a restart. He got his chance with 2:15 left, and both quickly locked up and traded inside the Thai clinch and a clash of heads left both men cut, with Larenas getting the worst of it as he emerged with a nasty gash on his forehead. Murphy quickly pounced and dropped Larenas to the mat again, where he opened up with his right hand until the bell rescued the Montreal native.

The second saw more of the same, with Larenas showing no defense at all for Murphy’s takedowns. And once on the ground, the TKO heavyweight champ was unable to deal with Murphy’s ground and pound. After a standup by referee Yves Lavigne, the bout was halted briefly to have the ringside physician check the cut on Larenas’ hairline, but when action resumed, Murphy put Larenas back on the canvas. After another standup, Larenas attempted to show some offense as he swung for the fences, but after a wild miss it was the same story as Murphy put Larenas down, got side mount and opened up with an array of forearms.

The chants of ‘USA, USA’ went up between rounds, and the third round began the same way the other two started. Murphy made a concerted effort to finish though, and after another series of unanswered shots, Lavigne finally called a halt to the one-sided bout at the 1:59 mark.

[av8rOC]

Never thought two fights that went to the judges could be so good. Both Loiseau and GSP are two of the most couragous fighters Ive ever seen. I thought Penn was just going to destroy him after the first, but GSP came back and showed some serious heart.
There is nooone in the UFC that can touch Franklin, I cant believe how dominant he was. All with a broken hand too....awesome. Someone needs to post a pic of Loiseau after the fight. His face was destroyed!

[Cromwell]

no coubt. MMA is definetly on it's way to becoming a mainstream sport


they really should get some fighters on the show every once in a while. I hear Chuck doing all these small shows before big fights.. there's no reason O&A couldn't get them on


Agreed. To all the O&A staff trolling this board - bring this suggestion to the table!

I have a buddy thats close friends with Brett, Op's brother and runs into Opie a bunch at FH Rileys. Hes also a huge MMA fan. Im gonna ask him to tell Op we want some MMA on the show:action-sm


Do it.


I Think when Rogan was on , Ant said he liked MMA , but Opie said he did't
Yeah Op doesnt really have an idea of what's happening in MMA... he still thinks its so terrbily brutal... i think he is a little squeemish..
/QUOTE]


Yeah - he hasn't been made aware of the *new* MMA. It is now more more of a "sport"

[QUOTE=Papagolash]3 words.

Jason Mayhem Miller.


Get him and Rogan on the show and I'm sure it'll be fucking nuts in there.

Sounds good to me.

Yet, he loves hockey. Go figure.

I love hockey too. I think its a natural progression to enjoying MMA. Opie needs to be made aware.


another reason to like Randy Couture. He chokes bitches

http://www.thedailycouncil.com/mediaholder/99836125a.html

That is too friggin cool!

Its usually Matt Hughes (or Rogan) doing the "choke out demo" - great to see Randy doing it.

Those not in the know are always so shocked by the fact that - when you cut off the bloodstream - you go unconscious. It really is pretty amazing the way that works.

[askewcore]

Its usually Matt Hughes (or Rogan) doing the "choke out demo" - great to see Randy doing it.

Those not in the know are always so shocked by the fact that - when you cut off the bloodstream - you go unconscious. It really is pretty amazing the way that works.

If those radio station really had balls, they'd bring in Chuck Liddel for a wacky little game of "What happens when you get high kicked in the head?"

Great fucking card last night. I really wanna see a rematch between GSP and Penn after Hughes squashes George again. Franklin looked incredible again, he had some incredible takedowns and throws in that fight. UFC very rarely disappoints me with their shows.

Anyone know a place that lists PPV buyrates? I'm curious to see if more people bought this card or the Mosley/Vargas fight from a few weeks back.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Love the recaps, but I also like to *hint hint* see some of the previous nights action... :icon_wink

[Palerider4146]

The one shitty thing for GSP is that Hughes has at least one match before a rematch, that little match against Royce Gracie in May. Although if I were to bet on the match, I would take Hughes, but I think a lot of people are taking Gracie to lightly. He may have been out of the UFC for a long time, but he is a master and is a few years younger than a recent former champ, Randy Couture.

[av8rOC]

The one shitty thing for GSP is that Hughes has at least one match before a rematch, that little match against Royce Gracie in May. Although if I were to bet on the match, I would take Hughes, but I think a lot of people are taking Gracie to lightly. He may have been out of the UFC for a long time, but he is a master and is a few years younger than a recent former champ, Randy Couture.

True but apparently his last few fights in Japan were an embarassment.:icon_sad:

[Palerider4146]

I'm also in support of the boys getting more involved with Rogan on MMA. MMA/UFC is starting to explode into the mainstream and it could be a good niche market for XM to try to get in on. Maybe a 1-2 hr weekend show with Rogan talking about MMA and combat sports. XM should do it before Sirius throws $100 million at Rogan for the same thing (why only a $100 mill, hey it's only 2 hrs a week.)

[av8rOC]

BTW I would also like to see the GSP and the Franklin fight again. I paid for the PPV so dont feel bad about it.
Does anyone know where you can watch it. Couldnt find them on youtube.com

[Cybouncer]

The one shitty thing for GSP is that Hughes has at least one match before a rematch, that little match against Royce Gracie in May. Although if I were to bet on the match, I would take Hughes, but I think a lot of people are taking Gracie to lightly. He may have been out of the UFC for a long time, but he is a master and is a few years younger than a recent former champ, Randy Couture.

And let’s not forget HOW MUCH the world of MMA has changed since they (the Gracie's) owned the octagon. Back then, Brazilian Jujitsu was a virtual unknown. You had all these strikers trying to drop BOMBS on these guys who would just wrap them up and submit them. Today, you see the guys who can drop the hammer, and also take the fight to the ground.

[whoisisthis]

As much as I wanted Penn to win, there was no way he was going to after those takedowns in the third. GSP sure was bleeding all over the place though. He showed some guts in that one.

I'm confused by Penns gameplan


he mainly stood up with GSP, until the last moments of the fight. His jiu-jitsu is sick, he should have took stayed on the ground. Also, the omoplata attempt should have made round 3 alot closer on the cards. This fight needed two more rounds for sure.:icon_sad:

I hope he sticks around and fights his way back up to GSP, but I doubt he wil. UFC can't offer the type of cheddar PRIDE can. I think Diego would be a good stepping stone, since he's so revered right now. I was really hoping for the Hughes rematch... hope it happens

Franklin's only threat is Chuck. I'd like to see how Ace's chin holds up against him

[locallounge]

St Pierre and the Crow both got their faced brutally fucked up/detroyed. Looks like the two training partners will be re-couperating together for a while.
I gotta give it to St. Pierre for coming back, because after the first round it looked like he gave up. I like St Pierre, he is a good guy and I didn't wanna see him get beat, but BJ Penn won that fight. The St Pierre vs Penn fight will be debated for Years to come.

[whoisisthis]

BJ Penn vs. GSP

pt1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwrENCkpQ&search=UFC%2058

pt2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YipvX2jb6kk&search=UFC%2058

pt3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD5bvXyXQbU&search=UFC%2058

[av8rOC]

BJ Penn vs. GSP

pt1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwrENCkpQ&search=UFC%2058

pt2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YipvX2jb6kk&search=UFC%2058

pt3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD5bvXyXQbU&search=UFC%2058

sweet!

they have the franklin fight on there too?

[whoisisthis]

not yet

I'm definetly gonna keep looking for it..

[av8rOC]

not yet

I'm definetly gonna keep looking for it..

great thanks, post if when you find it.

[Cromwell]

great thanks, post if when you find it.

Yeah, thanks for the Penn-GSP links, whoisthis.

Let us know as soon as the Franklin stuff shows up.

[whoisisthis]

Mike Skick vs. Steve Vigneault

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s0PbnkvB7dA&search=UFC%2058

[whoisisthis]

Rich Franklin vs David Loiseau

pt1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pt6wGBzyNjQ&search=UFC%2058

pt2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eAyrWRDXuFo&search=UFC%2058

[whoisisthis]

Franklin's only threat is Chuck.

I'm an ass. :icon_redf I was thinking of Chuck vs. whoever wins Silva/Arlovski when I posted this.. I meant to say Dan Henderson. I think it would be an amazing fight. But again, PRIDE is where the cash is, so I don't see Henderson ever coming back

[locallounge]

I'm an ass. :icon_redf I was thinking of Chuck vs. whoever wins Silva/Arlovski when I posted this.. I meant to say Dan Henderson. I think it would be an amazing fight. But again, PRIDE is where the cash is, so I don't see Henderson ever coming back

Franklin has fought at 205 before, so it is not far off to think sometime down the line he and Chuck may face each other. I could see that happening before I see Chuck facing Arlovski, just because Chuck probably thinks he can beat Franklin so he would be more likely to take the fight.

[novalia]

Great fight night!
GSP got pretty unlucky in the first round. He gets thumbed in and around the eye screwing his vision temporarily and cutting him... then he gets hit on the very tip of his nose from an uppercut longshot punch and breaks it... That totally ruined him for the first round... he came back strong but I wouldnt at all say dominating... i think the fight should have had a fourth round.. even so i am not terribly uncomfortable with the result.

Franklin was a monster... but really only because the crow allowed him to be... he was so passive and timid after the first minute of the fight.. if he had fought with a bit more confidence i believe the fight could have been much different.. all he did was back up and run away trying to counter now and then with a bomb...

oh and the chin of Franklin gets a little more credit after being hammered by that one punch.. he really handled himself well..

I was also impressed with the lightweight.. he was real tough and did a nice submission...

UFC fight night 04/06.. gonna be fun!
I'm looking forward to see Rashad and if he's progressed...

[whoisisthis]

whoa.. I forgot that's tonight. Thanks!

some pretty decent fights.

Rashad Evans Vs. Sam Hoger
Joe Stevenson Vs. Josh Neer
Stephan Bonnar Vs. Keith Jardine
Trevor Prangley Vs. Chael Sonnen
Josh Burkman Vs. Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck Vs. Ansar Chalangov

Franklin has fought at 205 before, so it is not far off to think sometime down the line he and Chuck may face each other. I could see that happening before I see Chuck facing Arlovski, just because Chuck probably thinks he can beat Franklin so he would be more likely to take the fight.

ahh good point. Who'd he fight at 205 besides Shamrock? I'm drawing a blank

[av8rOC]

whoa.. I forgot that's tonight. Thanks!

some pretty decent fights.

Rashad Evans Vs. Sam Hoger
Joe Stevenson Vs. Josh Neer
Stephan Bonnar Vs. Keith Jardine
Trevor Prangley Vs. Chael Sonnen
Josh Burkman Vs. Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck Vs. Ansar Chalangov



ahh good point. Who'd he fight at 205 besides Shamrock? I'm drawing a blank

I wish! Those are a month from tonight.:action-sm

[whoisisthis]

doh!

I just caught that:icon_redf

[novalia]

whoa.. I forgot that's tonight. Thanks!

nononononononono its april 6 =)

[av8rOC]

nononononononono its april 6 =)


grrrr grrrrrr

[av8rOC]

like my new gif?

[whoisisthis]

:icon_frow



I gotta say, GSP is a true champ and a classy guy. If anyone deserves this shot, it's him. Here's his post fight interview from the hospital
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvCveW7LTfE&search=ufc%2058

[novalia]

i love this guy.

[av8rOC]

:icon_frow



I gotta say, GSP is a true champ and a classy guy. If anyone deserves this shot, it's him. Here's his post fight interview from the hospital
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvCveW7LTfE&search=ufc%2058

Yeah, I saw that on sherdog. Literally every time he is on mic he impresses me with his character.. It's wierd, he can be confident yet humble and respectful at the same time. Great guy for the sport right now.

[whoisisthis]

for sure

what really impressed me is after the decision, when all the drunken fans were booing and chanting "USA", he had enough class to explain that the "USA vs. Canada" gimmick was bs, and he didn't fight for any country, but for the fans and the sport.

[Cromwell]

UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin is recovering in Las Vegas after undergoing surgery Tuesday to repair a broken left hand suffered in defense of his title Saturday against David Loiseau. The Cincinnati native, who scored a unanimous decision over Loiseau at UFC 58, had a plate and seven screws inserted in his hand, which was injured in round two of the five round bout. He is expected to be out for 6 to 8 months.

******

Too bad about the break. Franklin is all class and the sport benefits from having him around.

When he eventually *does* get back - he should have some healthy challengers by then. I know some are mentioning Marquardt or Swick - but what about Chris Leben?

Think about it:

Leben defeated Jorge Rivera by TKO (Strikes) at 1:44 of the first round on January 16th’s Ultimate Fight Night Live 3 card in Las Vegas. He's got serious knockout power.

He handled Rivera easily - who by the way owns a win over David Loiseau and Rivera also gave Rich Franklin one of his toughest fights to date.

I know its early in his career - but I'd like to see this fight. I've been impressed by Leben.

[av8rOC]

UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin is recovering in Las Vegas after undergoing surgery Tuesday to repair a broken left hand suffered in defense of his title Saturday against David Loiseau. The Cincinnati native, who scored a unanimous decision over Loiseau at UFC 58, had a plate and seven screws inserted in his hand, which was injured in round two of the five round bout. He is expected to be out for 6 to 8 months.

******

Too bad about the break. Franklin is all class and the sport benefits from having him around.

When he eventually *does* get back - he should have some healthy challengers by then. I know some are mentioning Marquardt or Swick - but what about Chris Leben?

Think about it:

Leben defeated Jorge Rivera by TKO (Strikes) at 1:44 of the first round on January 16th’s Ultimate Fight Night Live 3 card in Las Vegas. He's got serious knockout power.

He handled Rivera easily - who by the way owns a win over David Loiseau and Rivera also gave Rich Franklin one of his toughest fights to date.

I know its early in his career - but I'd like to see this fight. I've been impressed by Leben.

I like Leben as well, but if he is gonna get a title shot he will have to beat either both or the winner of Swick and Marquardt. I think Dana will be a little hesitant to give another TUF contestant a title shot after the embarassement that was Nate Quarry.
Then again he has Forrest fighting the main event next ppv so who knows:rolleyes:

[av8rOC]

Speaking of Leben, he was just added to the live fight night on 4/6...


03/08/2006
Leben Back at UFN on April 6th

http://ufcstore.shopthescene.com/img/product/screens/00003243-626975.jpg (http://ufcstore.shopthescene.com/detail.php?p=3243)

Andrei Arlovski vs. Paul Buentello Landscape Poster



By Thomas Gerbasi (tgerbasi@mindspring.com)

Middleweight contender Chris Leben will try to keep his four fight UFC winning streak intact on Thursday, April 6th, when he faces UFC newcomer Luigi Fioravanti on the Ultimate Fight Night card at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Ultimate Fight Night, which features Rashad Evans’s battle against Sam Hoger and Joe Stevenson’s bout versus Josh Neer, will air on Spike TV from the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, beginning at 9pm ET / PT.

Leben, a member of the cast of the first season of The Ultimate Fighter reality show, has shown that he is, without question, the real deal, with wins over Patrick Cote, Edwin Dewees, and most recently Jorge Rivera leading him into the middleweight rankings.

The unbeaten Fioravanti, an Orlando, Florida native, is no stranger to exciting scraps, and he will be looking to bring the fight to Leben on April 6th. In his last bout, on February 18th, Fioravanti scored a first round submission win over Sean Sallee.

Tickets, priced at $350, $250, and $150, are available at the Hard Rock Box Office, all Ticketmaster outlets (in person or by phone), and online at Ticketmaster.com.

Doors for the nine bout card open at 3:30pm, and the first bout begins at 4:15pm.

[Cromwell]

I like Leben as well, but if he is gonna get a title shot he will have to beat either both or the winner of Swick and Marquardt. I think Dana will be a little hesitant to give another TUF contestant a title shot after the embarassement that was Nate Quarry.


Yeah, I agree with you there.

Lets face it - Quarry's loss isn't really an "embarassment". Franklin is truly a superior fighter. Much like Hughes. These guys (until somebody does beat them) are unparalleled.

I do agree though, that Leben will have to fight his way through the ranks before he gets a title fight.




Speaking of Leben, he was just added to the live fight night on 4/6...
Middleweight contender Chris Leben will try to keep his four fight UFC winning streak intact on Thursday, April 6th, when he faces UFC newcomer Luigi Fioravanti on the Ultimate Fight Night card at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Leben, a member of the cast of the first season of The Ultimate Fighter reality show, has shown that he is, without question, the real deal, with wins over Patrick Cote, Edwin Dewees, and most recently Jorge Rivera leading him into the middleweight rankings.

The unbeaten Fioravanti, an Orlando, Florida native, is no stranger to exciting scraps, and he will be looking to bring the fight to Leben on April 6th. In his last bout, on February 18th, Fioravanti scored a first round submission win over Sean Sallee.


Very cool!

Looking forward to seeing that one.

[askewcore]

Lets face it - Quarry's loss isn't really an "embarassment". Franklin is truly a superior fighter. Much like Hughes. These guys (until somebody does beat them) are unparalleled.

I dont wanna put words in anyone's mouth, but I think he just meant that since Nate was the first TUF contestant to get a title shot and got his face smashed in that UFC would probably make the next guy earn his a little more...

[av8rOC]

I dont wanna put words in anyone's mouth, but I think he just meant that since Nate was the first TUF contestant to get a title shot and got his face smashed in that UFC would probably make the next guy earn his a little more...

Yeah thats all. I just think Dana took a risk and a lot of criticism before that fight and Im sure he was a little emabarassed when Rich made him look so bad.

[whoisisthis]

so Frank Shamrock fights Ceasar Gracie tonight. Also, Cung Le makes his MMA debut. I can't wait to see if those awesome throws of his can incorporate into MMA.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=4099

all in all a pretty good card for California's first MMA fight. Nice!:clap:

[av8rOC]

so Frank Shamrock fights Ceasar Gracie tonight. Also, Cung Le makes his MMA debut. I can't wait to see if those awesome throws of his can incorporate into MMA.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=4099

all in all a pretty good card for California's first MMA fight. Nice!:clap:

Yeah, FSN is going to broadcast the event next month for free...nice.

[whoisisthis]

spoilers in here. Damn..

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=3537

hopefully, Dana was paying attention to this fight... bring him back, quick, before PRIDE does

[whoisisthis]

I just noticed the guy who we were talking about earlier, the one that almot subbed Kirt Angle with a Kimura, fought in it.. Daniel Pruder. Can't wait till it airs

[av8rOC]

spoilers in here. Damn..

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=3537

hopefully, Dana was paying attention to this fight... bring him back, quick, before PRIDE does

I wouldnt be surprised. They are looking for someone to match up with Frankling right?

[av8rOC]

Then again the more I read the more un "gracie" like Ceasar looks. This guy is a 40 year old rookie with not a single MMA fight to his credit. According to the sherdog forums the only experience he has is training other fighters. Maybe this fight was over hyped?

[whoisisthis]

yup

I will say that he's an amazing teacher, and his jiu-jitsu is top-notch

that said, he isn't even a Gracie. He married one, and took his wife's last name, something that appears to not sit so well with the Brazilians, from the rumors I've heard


I wouldnt be surprised. They are looking for someone to match up with Frankling right?

I was thinking about that match-up. Franklin's on fire right now, and I think would mow him down. I'd like to see Shamrock work his way back up first...

maybe go through Nick Diaz, Leben, a fight against Mike Swick would rule. Either way, I'd be happy to see him back

[Palerider4146]

Too bad for Franklin, but maybe the time off can help the competition catch up. I like the way Leben has fought lately, but dont you think he is a bit of a soft middleweight and would be better off at 170, just a thought. That being said, a Leben vs Swick rematch (Leben KO'd Swick a while back, before TUF 1, and was even a bit of an issue for Swick). It also should be interesting at 205 with Shamrock and Ortiz coming back. Let's see how Tito does against Forrest next month. By the way, with Tito coming back, could this also mark the comeback of Ricco to the UFC (who kicked my ass when I had to wrestle him when my college coach was recruiting him), the heavyweights need some spark, Mir certainly didnt provide it and until he gets his game back, I dont see anyone giving Arlosky a fight.

[whoisisthis]

By the way, with Tito coming back, could this also mark the comeback of Ricco to the UFC

Ricco is a fat tub of lard right now. 300lbs plus if I remember right


he won't be back for a while

[Palerider4146]

Ricco is a fat tub of lard right now. 300lbs plus if I remember right


he won't be back for a while

Maybe so, but he is still a world class athlete and could probably cut 30-40 pounds in a month once he started to work out. Him and tito always seemed real tight and I'm sure Tito would get him back in shape. It's funny though, considering how bad he whooped my ass back in college, I chuckle every time I watch his fight vs Silvia.

[whoisisthis]

it could happen... but I think he's been on his way out for a while now. I doubt he can fully recover from his knee injury and fight at the level he once was at, let alone even get back into the shape he was in before. This is the level he was at thi last halloween; fighting mexican oompa loompas
http://members.cox.net/mhogan22/RiccoWEC.WMV

personally, I lost what little respect I had for him when he pulled that illegal slam on Marcelo Garcia at last years ADCC. He couldn't hang, and resorted to this(after they stopped the fight, and let Garcia get his senses back, he won)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5489/mp10102150lb.jpg

[novalia]

i'm a relative n00b to MMA.. why is that slam illegal?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Slams to the head are illegal, because they can cause neck or spinal injuries that are career ending.

[Palerider4146]

it could happen... but I think he's been on his way out for a while now. I doubt he can fully recover from his knee injury and fight at the level he once was at, let alone even get back into the shape he was in before. This is the level he was at thi last halloween; fighting mexican oompa loompas
http://members.cox.net/mhogan22/RiccoWEC.WMV

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5489/mp10102150lb.jpg

Wow, that video was wild, I cant believe he let himself get that way, but again, I must chuckle a bit, even though he would still kick my ass today. How do you go from being on top of the MMA world (UFC/Pride) then become what he is today, jeez.

[whoisisthis]

i'm a relative n00b to MMA.. why is that slam illegal?

in MMA that would be perfectly legal, but ADCC is a straight grappling competition


you can slam to escape a sub, but you can see that Marcelo did not have a choke applied.


Wow, that video was wild, I cant believe he let himself get that way, but again, I must chuckle a bit, even though he would still kick my ass today. How do you go from being on top of the MMA world (UFC/Pride) then become what he is today, jeez.

sad, isn't it? :icon_eek:

[Yukon_1449]

Anybody hear if Frank is going to sign with Pride or UFC. I personally don't care, as long as he comes back. Frank = more gooder MMA There is talk of Frank Vs. Sakaraba in Pride. Anyone who uses the term "looping right hand of death" to describe how they knocked their opponent out needs to be fighting again.

[novalia]

My Pride DVDs arrived today.. 1-5, 6-9 + 11, and #10.
I can't wait for the old school carnage to begin!!

[whoisisthis]

nice


I never followed PRIDE till just recently, so I have alot of catching up to do. Where'd you find those?

[novalia]

EBay.. (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=PRIDE+FC)

[av8rOC]

Damn I got stuck in Toronto yesterday waiting for freight to arrive and while flipping through the channels I found the FIGHT network. They were showing a PRIDE event. They have a ton of MMA coverage on there, I was so jeaous. Canada is much more advanced then us in that regard.

[av8rOC]

Damn, whoisthis. You got me hooked on that youtube.com. I've been watching every fight I can get ahold of.

The more Pride fights I see the more it seems that they are just a cut above UFC. I think Fedor or Crocop could easily beat the best UFC has to offer (AA). Im sure Silva would beat Liddell and I would take Henderson over Franklin or GSP. Gomi vs Hughes would be a good matchup.

What do you guys think?

[Yukon_1449]

The more Pride fights I see the more it seems that they are just a cut above UFC. I think Fedor or Crocop could easily beat the best UFC has to offer (AA).

I agree. I started watching the UFC since #3 but the Pride Fighters are just better. If the UFC would pay the fighters what Pride does, then they would have better talent.

Fedor and Crocop would destroy most of the UFC. Those 2 are scheduled to fight late summer or early fall. Should be another great fight. Pride has the better 185 fighters, if Shamrock signs with Pride, it will only further the gap.

Both are great products, it comes down to the fact that Pride has more money.

[av8rOC]

I agree. I started watching the UFC since #3 but the Pride Fighters are just better. If the UFC would pay the fighters what Pride does, then they would have better talent.

Fedor and Crocop would destroy most of the UFC. Those 2 are scheduled to fight late summer or early fall. Should be another great fight. Pride has the better 185 fighters, if Shamrock signs with Pride, it will only further the gap.

Both are great products, it comes down to the fact that Pride has more money.

I imagine its easier to pay the fighters more when you have 60,000 plus showing up at events.

[Yukon_1449]

I imagine its easier to pay the fighters more when you have 60,000 plus showing up at events.

Yeah, that sure would help. This event at the Staples center next month will help the UFC a ton.

[av8rOC]

Yeah, that sure would help. This event at the Staples center next month will help the UFC a ton.

You know, I didn't even think about that. I wonder how many tickets they wind up selling?

[Yukon_1449]

You know, I didn't even think about that. I wonder how many tickets they wind up selling?

If the Shamrock event is any indication, they will sell out the arena. They had a great showing for that event. This should be even better considering the card that is developing.

[Yukon_1449]

What do you guys think about the new MMA league starting up? The coaches for the teams are/were fantasic fighters. Might be interesting to at least check out. I just like the fact that MMA is continuing to grow in popularity.

Here is the IFL link.
http://www.ifl.tv/

[novalia]

i've been watching the early PRIDE FCs the past few days and am thru #7.. i also started watching the UFCs and have gotten through #4 now.. they are both getting better but the UFC is still years before PRIDE started so i have some catching up to do...

it is fun to watch the transition and the development of the sport and the fighters.. from the first UFC fight where a guy gets kicked in the face while lying down.. losing teeth... to the first PRIDE where there were a couple of fights in which nobody threw a single punch...

[av8rOC]

i've been watching the early PRIDE FCs the past few days and am thru #7.. i also started watching the UFCs and have gotten through #4 now.. they are both getting better but the UFC is still years before PRIDE started so i have some catching up to do...

it is fun to watch the transition and the development of the sport and the fighters.. from the first UFC fight where a guy gets kicked in the face while lying down.. losing teeth... to the first PRIDE where there were a couple of fights in which nobody threw a single punch...

Theres a bunch of fights on youtube.com that havent made it to dvd yet that are worth wathching too. I thought the Fedor vs Cro Cop was amazing. Watch Liddell vs Randleman as well and you can see that UFC's best is not so great compared to Pride.

[askewcore]

Watch Liddell vs Randleman as well and you can see that UFC's best is not so great compared to Pride.

Let me preface this by saying that I totally agree that the PRIDE guys are overall much better than UFC, but that Liddell v. Randleman fight is kind of old and Chuck has improved his game SO much since then. I'd love to see a crossover battle between the two, but I doubt that will ever happen.

[av8rOC]

Let me preface this by saying that I totally agree that the PRIDE guys are overall much better than UFC, but that Liddell v. Randleman fight is kind of old and Chuck has improved his game SO much since then. I'd love to see a crossover battle between the two, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Maybe so. I belive it was from '03. That being said randleman isnt even the pride champ. I bet Silva would take Chuck if they fought, if I had to make a guess.

[askewcore]

Good point. I'd love to see Silva and Liddel go at it, I think Wanderlei is gonna fight lousy Phil Baroni next. They really do need to have the companies fight each other, it would help the sport so much.

[novalia]

Lidell fought in PRIDE as well.

[Yukon_1449]

Chuck fought twice in pride going 1-1. Randleman has fought in both, he was a UFC fighter when he fought Chuck. Wanderlei has fought in the UFC before losing to vitor and tito. I would guess that the outcome would be much different these days with Silva tearing them apart.

Many other fighters have fought in both. I would love to see the best of both fight each other but they prob won't risk it due to the fear of one show kicking the crap out of the other. Also, there is always the issue of money for the fighters. Besides, the UFC is busy trying to stop the new IFC from forming.

[askewcore]

Many other fighters have fought in both. I would love to see the best of both fight each other but they prob won't risk it due to the fear of one show kicking the crap out of the other.

Yeah thats what I was talking about, thats also pretty much the conclusion I came to, no one wants to get embarrassed.

Besides, the UFC is busy trying to stop the new IFC from forming.

What is this IFC you speak of?

[novalia]

What do you guys think about the new MMA league starting up? The coaches for the teams are/were fantasic fighters. Might be interesting to at least check out. I just like the fact that MMA is continuing to grow in popularity.

Here is the IFL link.
http://www.ifl.tv/

^^
you know what's funny is the early PRIDE DVDs have Bas Rutten commentating on them... and in a couple of them he is in the actual corner of one of the fighters... while commentating on the fight =)

[askewcore]

Bas still does the color commentary for alot (or all, not real sure) of the Pride shows. He's actually really good because he knows so much. Plus, he tries to use American euphemisms and he always fucks them up.

[av8rOC]

Bas still does the color commentary for alot (or all, not real sure) of the Pride shows. He's actually really good because he knows so much. Plus, he tries to use American euphemisms and he always fucks them up.

Does he say ".....is ROCKED!!" and "those are just 4oz baby gloves"??:icon_mrgr

[novalia]

yeah i think he is brilliant... it just seems funny for him to be commentating while he's walking by the camera... in one of the early ones he even takes the mic in the ring and starts addressing the crowd... he made a joke saying "whew i'm tired"... it was obviously taped....

he's pretty good at already knowing what has happened and not letting you know that he already knows.... except now i finally know for sure =)

and yeah the announcers are great together... i love it when he says "jesus christ".... or when he fubars one of the american expressions... a real likeable guy...

[Yukon_1449]

What is this IFC you speak of?

Sorry, I got the intials wrong, it is the IFL. The International Fighting League. It is a new MMA league that has 4 teams. The coaches of the teams include, Bas Ruten, Pat (the Sedation Sensation) Miletich, Renzo Gracie and Mo Smith. Each team has a mix of fighters from each class and have to fight the other teams at thier weight class. The UFC is trying to stop it by suing them saying the illeagally stole a match maker from them. They have also said that any "team" such as Miletich's team that participates in this new event cannot fight in the UFC. The debut is April 29 in Atlantic City. Here is an interview with Pat that Sherdog did.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews.asp?n_id=4170

UFC and Zuffa are trying to protect their interests, but I would love to see this help push the sport further into the mainstream, plus I love Bas, Mo, and have alot of respect for Renzo and Pat. This will help push the UFC to do more.

Here is the website link to the IFL.
http://www.ifl.tv

[Yukon_1449]

Bas still does the color commentary for alot (or all, not real sure) of the Pride shows. He's actually really good because he knows so much. Plus, he tries to use American euphemisms and he always fucks them up.

Bas is great for Pride and the sport. My really good friend used to train with Bas at Beverly Hills Ju-Jitsu. He said that Bas knows a ton about MMA and taught him alot (esp the body shot to the liver with a kick. I saw him use it in a fight here in KC and the guy doubled over with this horrifying look on his face. It was quite humerous) Bas was going to be replaced earlier this year as a host for Pride because he did not want to do every single broadcast. He did not want to do the Bushido Tounaments so Pride was going to let him go, but they worked out a deal so he will continue to be at the main events.

Bas is great to listen to cause he will talk shit and will call bravo sierra when he needs to. Also, I believe he did not start his Pro career until he was 28, which is amazing considering all he has done.

[Cromwell]

While watching (*gasp*) hockey the other night on Fox Sports Net (Channel 71 and sometimes 72 on Long Island Cablevision) - I saw a commercial for a PRIDE event.

They will be broadcasing something called "Pride Championships" at 4:30 pm this Sunday afternoon. I will have my DVR set to record it (and may actually watch it is broadcast, if I can remember).

I've never seen this Silva guy fight, but he is prominently featured in the commerical, so perhaps this time.

Good to see more "MMA" is coming to the sports channels.

[askewcore]

Wow, if you've never seen Wanderlei Silva fight, you're in for a treat. He's a major league beast.

Good heads up on letting us know about that show too.

[Yukon_1449]

Thanks for the heads up, I will be sure to record. You will enjoy the hell out of Silva. I still get very scared when I see him right before a fight. He has that look of wanting to come through the TV and kill everyone in the room. The guy is an animal.

[av8rOC]

Looks like it is a series on FSN.. I set it up for a season record , thanks for finding that.

[Guinea Mike]

Anyone going to watch the ultimate fighter season 3? And yea I need to catch episodes of PRIDE too lol.

[av8rOC]

I cant wait for season 3. I hope at some point Ken and Tito just start brawling..

[Palerider4146]

I'll be tuning in again. Season 2 was no where near as good as season one, but the final matches wound up pretty good anyway. Actually watching them tonight on UFC unleashed. Season 3 should be really good just based on the Ortiz/Shamrock rivalry, that could get really fun.

[Nitetrane]

I'll definately be watching TUF Season 3. Season 2's crop of heavyweights was such a disappoinment! One "tough guy" left cuz he couldnt take the pressure of having cameras everywhere? What a douche. And the fave of the heavyweights (forgot his name) just did nothing in the circle and practically LET Rashad kick his ass, come on! The heavyweight finale was pretty good though (thought Rashad won by my own judging). This next season they better pick a more "hungry" set of guys! Oh... and Puh-leeze, less corny product endorsments!

[askewcore]

I'm not really a big fan of TUF. I mean, I watch it, but most of the fights are very anti-climatic. They all fight too cautious, I guess none of em wanna get knocked the fuck out on national tv so it turns into a big circle-fest or ground game where no one wants to sacrifice position to go after a submission. It turns into one guy in the guard just laying on top of the other and occasionally coming down with some shots. Like I said though, I'll still watch the last 20 minutes of each episode.

[whoisisthis]

totally agree, the TUF fights aren't very exiting


but, it's only two seaons in, hopefully the fighters get alot more hungry. And from what I hear, ol' Dana was none-too pleased with most of the performances this last time around. I hope he had some choice words for any potential lay-n-pray motherfuckers coming in this year.

And the Tito/Shamrock thing might make for some interesting drama. Who knows..

here's the TUF3 fighters
http://www.spiketv.com/#shows/ultimatefighter3/index.jhtml?open=meetTheFighteres

[Palerider4146]

totally agree, the TUF fights aren't very exiting


but, it's only two seaons in, hopefully the fighters get alot more hungry. And from what I hear, ol' Dana was none-too pleased with most of the performances this last time around. I hope he had some choice words for any potential lay-n-pray motherfuckers coming in this year.

And the Tito/Shamrock thing might make for some interesting drama. Who knows..

here's the TUF3 fighters
http://www.spiketv.com/#shows/ultimatefighter3/index.jhtml?open=meetTheFighteres

I would say that with the exception for last seasons heavyweights, the fights overall were not to bad. There were some really good fights in season one. I think Diego ended every fight early if I remember. Chris Leben was beating the shit out of Florian before the nasty elbow. Some really good light heavy fights also. Bonner's armbar from the ground was a great bjj move on Swick, and the Argentinian guy had a great fight with Griffin. Season 2's welterweights could have been better but there was a few decent fights in there. Stevenson just killed people and Luke's fights were pretty entertaining. Jorge was a major disappointment though as was Melvin Guillard.
I think the formula of the middleweights and light heavy's will be much better again. They do need to week out the pussies before they get on the show, that fing cunt who wouldnt lose the 5 pounds was ridiculous as was the asshole who didnt like being on TV, what the fuck were you thinking assfuck? You were going on a reality show.

[Diceman Cometh]

Glad to see more and more fellow Americans getting into PRIDE...its a WAY better organization than UFC.

[Diceman Cometh]

it is fun to watch the transition and the development of the sport and the fighters.. from the first UFC fight where a guy gets kicked in the face while lying down.. losing teeth...

hehe, wait till you get to the later PRIDE shows, with Wanderlei's foot stomps to the face and Crocop's soccer kicks to the back of the head...

[whoisisthis]

I would say that with the exception for last seasons heavyweights, the fights overall were not to bad.

not bad, just careful, like askewcore said



they need to let 'em fly

[Nitetrane]

I think before every fight in Season 1, Dana would mention and remind about a $5k bonus for ko/submission before the bout, dont remember him doing that this time around. I think too, that keeping them all in a house, they get buddy-bud sometimes and maybe not be as intense as they could be. I would suggest a "frat" type feel, keep both teams housed seperate so that its more of a rivalry.
Oh, and caught last nights Pride championships on FSN, boy, its definately another league above UFC!

[Chief79]

I can't wait for the Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes fight. I wonder if Opie will tell us that Matt is another one of his cousins that doesn't talk to him. Just like the ice skater Emily Hughes.

[novalia]

Does anyone have a listing of the Pride FCs and their dates? I have all the UFCs on DVD and Pride 1-18 and I want to coordinate my viewing =)

I can get a list of the UFC dates easily from UFC.tv but havent been able to find the Pride dates listed anywhere....

[Yukon_1449]

Does anyone have a listing of the Pride FCs and their dates? I have all the UFCs on DVD and Pride 1-18 and I want to coordinate my viewing =)

I can get a list of the UFC dates easily from UFC.tv but havent been able to find the Pride dates listed anywhere....

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?organization_id=3

There you go, Sherdog.com has all when it comes to mma. Don't forget the new Pride on PPV that will be on this Monday. New Bushido tourny.

[novalia]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?organization_id=3

There you go, Sherdog.com has all when it comes to mma. Don't forget the new Pride on PPV that will be on this Monday. New Bushido tourny.

well done!
cant believe i missed this... i was all over sherdog when buying my dvds off ebay...

[Yukon_1449]

Anyone get a chance to watch Pride last night. I thought the fights were great. All except the Giant Silva fight. I don't understand the Japs facination with the strange and odd things of this world. But it is always great to watch a gigantic man get kneed in the head while he is on the ground. The Gomi fight was great. It was unreal that it ended the way it did. Henderson looked out of shape. The 2 brutal kicks to the head in the Pulver fight and Hanson fight were outstanding. The fact that Jens took his fight on 1 days notice is amazing. It never gets old seeing a guy in speedo's get soccer kicked in the head. The anabolic attack of Filho is going to cause alot of trouble for many fighters. Great show overall, if any of you did not get a chance to watch, I would suggest renting it or watching the fights on youtube.

[askewcore]

I god damn forgot all about it. Thanks for not really posting any big time spoilers too by the way. I'll be watching the replay. It starts at 6 EST on Cablevision's PPV if anyone else wants to check it out.

[novalia]

i TRIED to watch it last night... but when i bought the show somehow it thought i wanted to buy some stupid ass show that started at 1AM... so i called cablevision.... anyway i dont want to get excited again.. see the FU forum for my message to cablevision =)

[Yukon_1449]

I god damn forgot all about it. Thanks for not really posting any big time spoilers too by the way. I'll be watching the replay. It starts at 6 EST on Cablevision's PPV if anyone else wants to check it out.

I should have warned there were potential spoilers for those who have not seen the show. Sorry about that. Good show and worth the buy. Alot of good action.

[askewcore]

I should have warned there were potential spoilers for those who have not seen the show. Sorry about that. Good show and worth the buy. Alot of good action.


No no, I was being serious, none of the shit you said really gave away much at all. I'm psyched Pulver is gonna be in the show, Little Evil is the man.

[Yukon_1449]

Pride Bushido 10 - Joachim Hansen VS Luiz Azeredo 03 04 2006
This is a great fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyf4rD9mxV4&search=pride%20bushido%2010

Pride Bushido 10 - Akihiro Gono VS Kim Dae Won 03 04 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQuGK2HOYY4&search=pride%20bushido%2010

[askewcore]

Without giving too much away for the people who havent seen Bushido, but the way Jens Pulver's fight ends, is one of the biggest reasons Pride if better than UFC. Much, much better rules.

[askewcore]

******SPOILERS***** although at this point, I dont know if it'll matter.

I finished watching Bushido earlier today (I taped it off PPV) and I was blown away by the Auriellio/Gomi fight. That was the only time Gomi looked human and Marcus really dominated him on the ground. The Brazil/American Top Team fighters are all very good, very well rounded. Auriellio's BJJ was amazing against Gomi. I couldnt believe Gomi escaped that first arm triangle. Hell of a card. I CANNOT wait until June 4 for the first round of the Open Weight tourney. Dan Henderson did look really out of shape too, and the dude he fought had a fucking head made of marble or something.

[whoisisthis]

fuck... can't wait till I get to watch that

[Cromwell]

Tonight should be cool:

Date: 04/06/2006 8:00 PM EST
Event Type: Spike TV - Ultimate Fight Night
Location: The Joint - Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, Nevada


Stephan Bonnar Vs. Keith Jardine
Name: Stephan Bonnar
Height: 6.3
Weight: 205
Record: 11-2-0


"American Psycho" Name: Keith Jardine
Height: 6.2
Weight: 220
Record: 11-2-1


"The Dean of Mean"



Rashad Evans Vs. Sam Hoger
Name: Rashad Evans
Height: 5.11
Weight: 225
Record: 8-0-0


Name: Sam Hoger
Height: 6.2
Weight: 205
Record: 7-1-0


"The Alaskan Assassin"



Joe Stevenson Vs. Josh Neer
Name: Joe Stevenson
Height: 5.7
Weight: 170
Record: 28-6-0


"Daddy" Name: Josh Neer
Height: 5.11
Weight: 170
Record: 14-2-0


"The Dentist "



Chris Leben Vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Name: Chris Leben
Height: 5.11
Weight: 185
Record: 13-1-0


"The Crippler " Name: Luigi Fioravanti
Height: 5.8
Weight: 185
Record: 7-0-0






Luke Cummo Vs. Jason Von Flue
Name: Luke Cummo
Height: 6.0
Weight: 170
Record: 6-2-0


"The Silent Assassin" Name: Jason Von Flue
Height: 6.0
Weight: 170
Record: 13-5-1


"Live Wire"



Josh Burkman Vs. Jon Fitch
Name: Josh Burkman
Height: 5.10
Weight: 170
Record: 17-2-0


"The People's Warrior" Name: Jon Fitch
Height: 6.0
Weight: 185
Record: 11-2-0






Josh Koscheck Vs. Ansar Chalangov
Name: Josh Koscheck
Height: 5.10
Weight: 170
Record: 7-1-0


"Kos" Name: Ansar Chalangov
Height: 5.11
Weight: 170
Record: 7-1-0






Trevor Prangley Vs. Chael Sonnen
Name: Trevor Prangley
Height: 6.1
Weight: 185
Record: 11-3-0


Name: Chael Sonnen
Height: 6.1
Weight: 205
Record: 13-7-1






Brad Imes Vs. Dan Christison
Name: Brad Imes
Height: 6.7
Weight: 260
Record: 5-1-0


Name: Dan Christison
Height: 6.8
Weight: 265
Record: 7-4-0


"The Sandman"
(May not be broadcast.)

I'm looking forward to the Luke Cummo Vs. Jason Von Flue match. Both guys were personal favorites of mine, from the last TUF competition. Both were always overlooked. Always expected to lose - yet always came through to prove everyone wrong. Ya gotta love that!

Plus - the new season of TUF beings tonight:

The Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV is back for another round! They’ve got fire in their hearts, blood on their faces and total domination on their minds.
18 Mixed Martial Arts fighters all living under one roof competing against and fighting with each other for a shot at two UFC contracts - One Light Heavyweight and one Middleweight.
The series features President of the UFC, Dana White, as the host, and UFC Fighters Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz as team coaches.

Thursday, April 6th @ 10:00 pm-Episodes 1

Thursday, April 6th @ 1:00am-Episode 1

Saturday, April 8th, @ 10:00 pm-Episode 1

Monday, April 10th,@ 11:00pm-Episode 1

[Yukon_1449]

There were 2 other fights in the Bushido show that they are going to show later this month. Not sure on the details just yet. Baroni fought in one of them. I have heard it ends violently.

*****Pride Bushido Spoilers*******

Yeah, Auriellio dominated that match. You can tell it has been awhile since Gomi has been on his back. I loved the Pulver fight. Mant those little lightweights go after it. I did not thing that guy would go down until Jens caught him and staggard him. As bad as that kick to the head was, the guy is lucky that Jen's first kick missed him while he was falling. That may have ended him. The other fight that I loved was the Joachim Hansen fight. That crazy ass nordic warrior just let that guy hit him in the head over and over, then he would punish him with horrible punches. Azeredo is now going to be known as the guy who gets violently knocked out. His last 2 losses have been very very bad for him. All in all, great card, I can't wait to see those other fights.

[novalia]

haha i just saw a promo for TUF and shamrock is there threatening ortiz then ortiz feints a punch and shamrock flinches then makes some lame half hearted effort to go after ortiz... most of the fighters are just standing watching except one who jumps in the middle.. ortiz pushes him away but shamrock had already retreated... it happens really fast in the promo but slomo reveals ortiz indeed pwns shamrock :p

i remember ortiz tried that shit with lidell at their weigh in and lidell didnt flich and just laughed at him...

[askewcore]

I fucking hate Tito. I hope Shamrock knocks him out at some point. Althought it wont happen.

[av8rOC]

I fucking hate Tito. I hope Shamrock knocks him out at some point. Althought it wont happen.

agreed. I think we have a better shot of forrest doing it for us though:icon_mrgr

[askewcore]

I agree. I fully expect Forrest to win that fight. Tito is kinda washed up now. He used to be sick, although I still hated him, but that was also when the UFC talent pool was worse, imo. PRIDE tried to get him to fight over there in his prime and he turned them down, I always assumed it was due to money, but according to everything I've heard/read from people who know more about MMA than me say that PRIDE pays alot more, so now I'll chalk it up to being a pussy.

[av8rOC]

I agree. I fully expect Forrest to win that fight. Tito is kinda washed up now. He used to be sick, although I still hated him, but that was also when the UFC talent pool was worse, imo. PRIDE tried to get him to fight over there in his prime and he turned them down, I always assumed it was due to money, but according to everything I've heard/read from people who know more about MMA than me say that PRIDE pays alot more, so now I'll chalk it up to being a pussy.

I don't know about you but after last nights TUF episode, I have a little more respect for Tito.
Keep in mind I hated him as much as you until last night. When he and Ken squared off in the beginning and Tito was the one to say hey, we both hate each other. Lets put this shit aside for now and focus on the guys, and we can kick the shit out of each other in July I was impressed. On top of that he appears to be a great coach. My wife and I were both amazed at how good of a guy he seemed to be.

I cant believe I just said that about Tito Ortiz.:icon_surp

[askewcore]

I didnt watch the episode yet but from everything I've heard, outside of the ring Tito is supposed to be a really nice guy. Even that time he was on O&A and he fought Steve C he seemed like he was pretty cool. Shamrock, on the other hand is supposed to be a gigantic dickhead

[av8rOC]

I didnt watch the episode yet but from everything I've heard, outside of the ring Tito is supposed to be a really nice guy. Even that time he was on O&A and he fought Steve C he seemed like he was pretty cool. Shamrock, on the other hand is supposed to be a gigantic dickhead

Yeah thats the exact impression I had after watching the fight. I'm beginning to think Tito's antics are just him being a showman, and in reality hes a good guy.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I'm thinking Ken needs to re-read his own book, "Inside the Lion's Den" to remember what he use to be about. Too many concussions and old age are a bitch.

[novalia]

I just watched Pride #10 last night circa 2000... Shamrock fought some Japanese guy and ended up QUITTING... he was tired... awwww... he told one of his cornermen to throw in the towel... i hate that prick.. he has some nerve... you should watch that Pride... there were guys being brutally beat up bleeding all over the ring and they WOULDNT quit.... even the guy he fought was getting his ass kicked by shamrock but he wouldnt give up...

and he quits because he was tired...

[askewcore]

I saw Bob Sapp do that same thing once, quit while he was winning. But being 400 pounds kinda gives you an excuse. Shamrock punking out like that is terrible. I will definitly look for that Pride. I havent seen alot of the really old Pride shit.

[Yukon_1449]

I have to defend Ken here, I have met him on several occasions and he has been nothing but great. He stayed after UFC 6, came out when we were the only ones left in the arena and signed t-shirts. At an after fight party, he took time away from having fun and took pictures with all of us individually. He answered all of our questions and was an extremely great guy.

Ken's problem is that he is old. What is he now, 42 He still wants to compete like he did in the early 90's. He took too many roids durning his WWF days which made him too bulky and slow, then when he came back to he UFC, he was too old, bulky and slow. Got beat a few times (although he had Franklin within seconds of taping out. This according to Franklin in an interview). He does have the advantage of old man strength. Old man strength is a very powerful force, but it is also very fragile. Ken is having trouble letting go, which I can understand. Look at Ricky Henderson with baseball. It is hard being king one second, then losing a step while the next generation comes in and beats you down.

Ken still feels like he has something to prove which is so untrue. He was the 1st King of Pancrase. 1st UFC super fight champ. He kicked a ton of ass in the 1st UFC's. His only losses were to top tier opponents. He has lost to the likes of Funaki, Gracie, Suzuki, Franklin, Ortiz (who did beat his ass) Severn (which was a buch of BS because of the court ordered rules in place) Frye (only because Frye was hopped up on so many pain meds that Ken broke both of Don's ankles and he still continued to fight). Ken in his prime would have handed Ortiz his ass. Saying that, I am frightened of what will happen to Ken when he fights Ortiz again. He is just too damn old. I do hope Forrest kicks the shit out of Ortiz, but Ortiz is seasoned and has fought wars in the ring with some of the best. Forrest has not fought anyone the likes of which Ortiz has fought.

As for Tito being a nice guy. I hope he gets in another horrifying car accident, gets fired out of the ambulance and lands in a puddle of AIDS, then he can go home fuck his mother and throw himself in a toilet and flush it. He talked a ton of shit on the Lions Den Fighters whit is part of it, but flipping off the the entire corner in the mezger rematch and continuing to talk shit long after he won was something else (which, to Tito's credit, he did beat Bohlander and tied with Mezger). Tito is an asshat and I will always hope he suffers a horrific beat down. He and Liddell used to be friends and training partners but he pissed him off too because he knew Chuck was getting better then him. Talking trash about Chuck and ducking him when the world wanted to see them fight.

As for Tito in Pride, not sure what happens, but looking at it from his point of view, why go to a group where you will be a an average fighter who will win some and get his teeth knocked in on other fights, when you can stay in a place and be king of the hill. Plus, Tito has never been the same since his car accident. I am glad he is back with the UFC though, they need good talent (which Tito is) and a villian.

[novalia]

I saw Bob Sapp do that same thing once, quit while he was winning. But being 400 pounds kinda gives you an excuse. Shamrock punking out like that is terrible. I will definitly look for that Pride. I havent seen alot of the really old Pride shit.

if you buy only one of the older Prides then buy this one which was absolutely incredible.. all of the fights were main event quality... plus it ends with Sakuraba against Renzon Gracie...

[Paulie Pockets]

Can Rogan and that other fuckwit of an announcer please retire the phrases, "war of attrition" and "teeing off" forever? Ucch.

[av8rOC]

I have to defend Ken here, I have met him on several occasions and he has been nothing but great. He stayed after UFC 6, came out when we were the only ones left in the arena and signed t-shirts. At an after fight party, he took time away from having fun and took pictures with all of us individually. He answered all of our questions and was an extremely great guy.

Ken's problem is that he is old. What is he now, 42 He still wants to compete like he did in the early 90's. He took too many roids durning his WWF days which made him too bulky and slow, then when he came back to he UFC, he was too old, bulky and slow. Got beat a few times (although he had Franklin within seconds of taping out. This according to Franklin in an interview). He does have the advantage of old man strength. Old man strength is a very powerful force, but it is also very fragile. Ken is having trouble letting go, which I can understand. Look at Ricky Henderson with baseball. It is hard being king one second, then losing a step while the next generation comes in and beats you down.

Ken still feels like he has something to prove which is so untrue. He was the 1st King of Pancrase. 1st UFC super fight champ. He kicked a ton of ass in the 1st UFC's. His only losses were to top tier opponents. He has lost to the likes of Funaki, Gracie, Suzuki, Franklin, Ortiz (who did beat his ass) Severn (which was a buch of BS because of the court ordered rules in place) Frye (only because Frye was hopped up on so many pain meds that Ken broke both of Don's ankles and he still continued to fight). Ken in his prime would have handed Ortiz his ass. Saying that, I am frightened of what will happen to Ken when he fights Ortiz again. He is just too damn old. I do hope Forrest kicks the shit out of Ortiz, but Ortiz is seasoned and has fought wars in the ring with some of the best. Forrest has not fought anyone the likes of which Ortiz has fought.

As for Tito being a nice guy. I hope he gets in another horrifying car accident, gets fired out of the ambulance and lands in a puddle of AIDS, then he can go home fuck his mother and throw himself in a toilet and flush it. He talked a ton of shit on the Lions Den Fighters whit is part of it, but flipping off the the entire corner in the mezger rematch and continuing to talk shit long after he won was something else (which, to Tito's credit, he did beat Bohlander and tied with Mezger). Tito is an asshat and I will always hope he suffers a horrific beat down. He and Liddell used to be friends and training partners but he pissed him off too because he knew Chuck was getting better then him. Talking trash about Chuck and ducking him when the world wanted to see them fight.

As for Tito in Pride, not sure what happens, but looking at it from his point of view, why go to a group where you will be a an average fighter who will win some and get his teeth knocked in on other fights, when you can stay in a place and be king of the hill. Plus, Tito has never been the same since his car accident. I am glad he is back with the UFC though, they need good talent (which Tito is) and a villian.

I totally agree with you, but Im curious, did you watch TUF last night?

[av8rOC]

Can Rogan and that other fuckwit of an announcer please retire the phrases, "war of attrition" and "teeing off" forever? Ucch.

Dude you can tell Rogan is workng hard at stopping the same old sayings. He only said Rocked once last night! I didnt even hear 4oz baby gloves at all:icon_mrgr

[Paulie Pockets]

Agh. Two more overused Rogan cliches. If I ever hear "he got rocked!" again my eyes will start bleeding.

That's one thing I like better about Pride. Their color commentator. Bas Fucking Rutten. El Guapo is the man.

[novalia]

yeah Rutten never says "wow" a lot during any of the fights...
I love Rutten.. and I love Rogan.
You should hear some of the losers they used to have announcing... Jim Brown... wtf?!

[av8rOC]

yeah Rutten never says "wow" a lot during any of the fights...
I love Rutten.. and I love Rogan.
You should hear some of the losers they used to have announcing... Jim Brown... wtf?!

Hahaha so true. Jim Brown was an abortion of a MMA announcer.

Im sure there are good reasons why Dana White/Zuffa are hated, but IMO they turned the UFC around. Brought in good fighters, good announcers. The partnership with Spike TV was a brilliant move and as a result the PPV's are getting better and better.

Dont get me wrong, I love Pride as well. I just dont understand why Dana and Zuffa catch as much shit as they do.

[askewcore]

Dont get me wrong, I love Pride as well. I just dont understand why Dana and Zuffa catch as much shit as they do.

My guess would be alot of the hardcore older fans are pissed that White/Zuffa took their underground sport and brought it more into the mainstream. Total guess though.

[av8rOC]

Well I know in order to bring it to the mainstream they need to implement rules and get the sport back into the state athletic commisions. I wish there were knees to the head on the ground as well but if it means the difference betweed fighing in the states or not, I can live without them.

[askewcore]

Yeah, I'd sacrifice them to have them back in the states, cause when they weren't airing the PPVs here it really really sucked. But the kicks and knees to a downed fighter in Pride are so nasty.

[novalia]

"Rule 9: No kicks or knees to the head or the face of an oppnent who falls face down."

From what I understand there is no kicking if the fighter has all four limbs on the mat.

[velvet_elvis]

I do like the new fight format for TUF. All those challenges in the previous seasons seemed kinda lame and survivoresque. I like the winning team calling the shots for the next fight.

[novalia]

yeah and they dont have to waste energy on something that doesnt involve training...

[Yukon_1449]

I totally agree with you, but Im curious, did you watch TUF last night?

I only saw the fight at the end, will watch this weekend. I really hope he is not turning into a bitch.

[velvet_elvis]

Did I miss something, or did Shamrock only bring on board a boxing assistant and his strength/conditioning/dietician? No wrestling/submissions guy?

[Yukon_1449]

I have not seen the 1st one yet, but Ken has been fighting/training in wrestling/submissions for years. Pancrease only allowed open palm strikes so it was all about wrestling and submission. He knows enough to train those guys.

[Cromwell]

Nothing’s Safe – Rough Night for Favorites at UFN

By Thomas Gerbasi

LAS VEGAS, April 6 – In the unpredictable world of mixed martial arts, there’s no such thing as a sure thing. That was never more evident than at tonight’s Ultimate Fight Night card at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, where a number of favorites either lost or got the scares of their careers on the ultra-competitive nine-fight card.

In the main event, light heavyweight Stephan Bonnar, a finalist from season one of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ reality show, took home an unpopular three round decision from season two alumnus Keith Jardine, a verdict met with boos and jeers from the packed house.

Scores were 29-28 across the board for Chicago’s Bonnar, who didn’t see any cause for the negative reaction.

“I’m sure everyone would like to see a rematch,” said Bonnar of a possible return bout with Albuquerque’s Jardine. “But I don’t see it (the decision) as controversial.”

From the opening bell, both fighters worked their Muay Thai techniques efficiently, with Jardine holding a decided edge in the first round with crisper strikes and leg kicks that landed with an audible thud. Bonnar bounced back in the second, dropping his foe with a flush counterpunch and almost securing a rear naked choke before ‘The Dean of Mean’ was able to escape. In round three, one of the better rounds of the year, both fighters left it all in the ring as each tried to land the homerun punch or kick. A solid left hook by Bonnar put Jardine down a second time, but he quickly recovered, and by the end of the round he was landing with punches and kicks on Bonnar, who was cut over both eyes by the end of the bout.

“I thought I earned the victory,” said Jardine. “I guess the judges don’t give too much credit to leg kicks.”

Season Two heavyweight winner Rashad Evans got a rude welcome to light heavyweight as Season One’s Sam Hoger gave him all he could handle before dropping a hard-fought split decision to the pride of East Lansing, Michigan.

Scores were 30-27, 29-28, and 28-29 for Evans, who came out strong behind a high guard and some fast and accurate strikes and dominated the rest of the opening frame behind his takedowns and ground and pound.

The second round held more of the same until late in the round when ‘The Alaskan Assassin’ almost secured a fight-ending kimura where only the bell saved Evans.

Looking to continue his good fortune in the third, Hoger again went for the arm after an Evans takedown, but after the two stood up, Hoger worked his kicks and knees on Evans, whose right eye was swollen almost shut. And though Hoger was game and kept the fight close, Evans’ early lead and repeated takedowns proved to be the difference in the fight.

Evans’ TUF2 counterpart at welterweight, Joe Stevenson, wasn’t as fortunate when it came to the final result, as Josh Neer pulled off an upset three round decision over the Season Two winner with a gritty display of striking, wrestling, and submission defense.

“Sometimes you eat the bear,” said Stevenson, “and sometimes the bear eats you.”

The fast-paced three rounder kept fight fans enthralled from start to finish, with Neer opening strong behind his strikes and Stevenson responding with a myriad of submission attempts. At one point in the first, Stevenson locked in a kneebar, and Neer fought off the pain and eventually escaped, to the amazement of many in attendance.

“I could hardly fight after the first round,” said Neer of his injured knee, “but you know me – I don’t give up.”

And though Stevenson failed on that attempt, he kept trying to tap Neer out throughout the fight. Iowa’s Neer wouldn’t play along though, and his ground and pound on the mat and crisper striking while standing was paying dividends on the judges’ scorecards in rounds two and three. Soon, Stevenson’s dyed blonde hair turned crimson due to cuts opened up by ‘The Dentist’, and the fight appeared to be slipping away.

Stevenson didn’t go down without a fight, as he rebounded from a strong Neer third round to flurry with both hands on the ground in the final minute, much to the delight of the crowd. It wasn’t enough though, as Neer took the decision via scores of 29-28 on all three judges’ cards.

In the Spike TV opener, middleweight contender Chris Leben remained unbeaten in the UFC with a workmanlike three round decision over Florida’s previously unbeaten Luigi Fioravanti.

Scores for ‘The Crippler’ were 30-27 across the board.

Working on a solid strategy of knees, fence control and ground control, Leben never let Fioravanti get his confidence or get into a rhythm, with each successive round resembling the one before it as Leben dominated the bout from start to finish.

And while Leben took the victory, he obviously would have liked to have finished the bout before the judges rendered their verdict.

“It was one of those bad dreams where you keep swinging and missing,” said Leben. “But that kid was tough.”

In Ultimate Fight Night preliminary action…

Long Island, New York’s Luke Cummo worked his Muay Thai effectively throughout his three round welterweight bout against Jason Von Flue and easily walked away with the shutout unanimous decision in a battle between TUF2 alums.

Von Flue, forced to fight most of the bout with a bloody gash on his forehead which came courtesy of a left elbow by Cummo, was game but unable to hurt ‘The Silent Assassin’, who almost got caught in a choke by the ‘Live Wire’ in round two but had little difficulty controlling the bout outside of that.

Another battle between welterweight up and comers saw American Kickboxing Academy standout Jon Fitch put a momentary halt to the meteoric rise of Josh Burkman via a second round submission.

The end came at 4:57 of the second stanza as Fitch locked in a rear naked choke.

After an initial burst of energy that forced Fitch to the fence, Burkman appeared to lack the fire that epitomized his first two UFC wins over Sam Morgan and Drew Fickett. Fitch though was on for the entire 9:57 of action as he impressively stopped Burkman’s attacks at every turn with a mix of solid wrestling technique and striking.

Early in the second Burkman was almost able to turn the fight around as he caught his foe in a guillotine choke, but Fitch escaped and just kept chipping away at Burkman’s defenses until he pulled off the fight-ending choke.

There was little in the way of ground fighting when heavyweights Dan Christison and Brad Imes squared off, but no one on the Hard Rock complained as the two big men went for broke in a bloody and exciting war won by late replacement Christison via a third round submission.

Christison replaced Gabriel Gonzaga, who was forced to withdraw from the show due to visa issues.

Toe to toe from the outset. Imes and Christison – housemates on Season Two of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ – fought like bitter enemies, though the respect between the two was obvious. And though the first round was good, the second may have been even better as the war continued at a torrid pace that saw both fighters bloodied by the end of the frame.

In the third though, Christison finally broke the fight wide open with an armbar that produced a verbal tap out at 3:37 of the round.

“I go with whatever’s given me,” said Christison. “If you give me submissions, I’ll take them anyday.”

TUF 1 alumnus Josh Koscheck made short work of Ansar Chalangov, winning via submission at 3:29 of the opening round. Looking sharp in his first bout since losing his first UFC bout to Drew Fickett, Koscheck worked some strikes before going to the mat and securing a rear naked choke. Chalangov gamely rose and slammed Koscheck in an attempt to escape, but ‘Kos’ held tight and got the tap moments later.

In the opener, Team Quest’s Chael Sonnen rebounded from his recent loss to Renato Sobral with a three round unanimous decision win over AKA’s Trevor Prangley in a middleweight bout. Sonnen controlled the pace of the bout from the outset as took Prangley down almost immediately and never allowed the South African native to get into any sort of offensive rhythm as he pounded him throughout the fight.

****

I enjoyed the fights :)

[crescentwrench]

That kneebar Stevenson had on Neer was sick. Neer must be a robot to not just start crying, much less win the decision. Joe knew too because he mouthed "It popped" or something like that to the ref before just letting it go and going for that heelhook. That was a nice little exchange for a while after, with sub after sub attempt and escape after escape.

If I were in Glamrock's camp and saw his nutritionist there instead of a grappling coach while Ken says basically "I don't know jiu-jitsu, but this guy will tell you what to eat", I'd be a little nervous. "We'll fight your armbar with steak!"

[Palerider4146]

The TUF fights on TV, although all deciscions, were still overall entertaining. I was disappointed with Leben not being able to finish, but you cant complain when you look at his other UFC fights to date. Evans looked better at LH, but still kind of boring. That wrestling only style wont go to far unless he starts to incorporate better submissions and ground and pound. Jardine won that fight in my opinion, but it was close, close enough that you dont know what the judges may have seen differently than us. Stevenson and Neer was the second best fight next to Jardine/Bonner. I dont understand how Neer survived that knee bar, and he may not have if he tore it up. But it says something about him. The only thing is he may have one that fight, but who knows what long term damage he may have done and how long he may be out for. I remember in TUF 1 Forrest saying he wouldnt "not tap" again like he did when he got his arm broken in a fight. He realized sometimes it's better to lose and live to fight another day.

[Yukon_1449]

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index.php?mainpage=news&news_id=661

This is great news. A no weight class tournament with some big names signing up. I already can't wait for Mirdo vs Minowa and Barnet vs Emelianenko (Fedor's brother). With Nogueira, Hunt, and Silva expected to sign, this will be the best. Plus I believe Henderson wants in. Should be a great night of head stomping action.

[Cromwell]

That kneebar Stevenson had on Neer was sick. Neer must be a robot to not just start crying, much less win the decision. Joe knew too because he mouthed "It popped" or something like that to the ref before just letting it go and going for that heelhook.



Although I agree it was “sick” - I don’t think he “let it go” - Neer toughed it out - and was able to escape. Much like Rich Franklin did vs. the now much maligned Ken Shamrock.


That was a nice little exchange for a while after, with sub after sub attempt and escape after escape.


Agreed. Any MMA student has got to love that.

Though I think Stevenson is a likable enough guy - But I was glad to see Neer win, as I’m still “bitter” over his controversial decision over Luke (The Silent Assasin) Cummo at the end of TUF 2. Good to see Luke back in the winning column (even if they didn’t actually show the fight).

Hilarious sig pic, by the way crescentwrench.



The TUF fights on TV, although all deciscions, were still overall entertaining. I was disappointed with Leben not being able to finish.


I *did* take note of that. Perhaps not the be-all-end-all that he thinks he is? He never got his “one clean shot”. He’s not Chuck Liddell just yet.



Evans looked better at LH, but still kind of boring. That wrestling only style wont go to far unless he starts to incorporate better submissions and ground and pound.


Of course. If you are going to take it to the floor - you *have* to either “ground and pound” or submit. Nobody wants to see “whale humping” up against the cage.


Jardine won that fight in my opinion,


Me too. I watched it again and all I can think is that one direct knockdown that Bonner delivered must have counted for *a lot* of points.


but it was close, close enough that you dont know what the judges may have seen differently than us.


Put it this way - I think the UFC have a very high regard for Bonner. *If* someone is going to beat him - its going to have to be the *no doubt* variety. A knockout or submission.

Let me ask you this - do you think George St. Pierre is ever going to get a “split decision” over Matt Hughes? I doubt it. If GSP *truly* is “all that and a bag-o-chips” - then hes’ going to have to KO or submit the “farm boy”. A tall task.


Stevenson and Neer was the second best fight next to Jardine/Bonner. I dont understand how Neer survived that knee bar, and he may not have if he tore it up. But it says something about him.


It also says something about Stevenson’s inability to complete the submission. Do you think Matt Hughes would have failed in that position? I doubt it.


The only thing is he may have one that fight, but who knows what long term damage he may have done and how long he may be out for. I remember in TUF 1 Forrest saying he wouldnt "not tap" again like he did when he got his arm broken in a fight. He realized sometimes it's better to lose and live to fight another day.

That’s true. But - you gotta admire the guy who doesn’t “tap”. Hey - if you’re in a street fight (lets face it - the *real* reason people study the martial arts) - there ain’t gonna be any “tapping out”.


Should be a great night of head stomping action.

Which is all anyone could ever want ;-)

[Monkey_Hummer]

not a bad episode tonight.....guess he got revenge for the basketball.

[KneeKnee]

not a bad episode tonight.....guess he got revenge for the basketball.


I so wanted that punk to get owned and he did. 2 spisodes in and I am already wanting Tito's team to win. Shamrock just sucks. (and prior to this I have had no opinion on either)

[commish13]

I haven't seen either of the first 2 episodes in full yet, but I saw both fights at the end. The finish to this week's fight was great. As soon as he got a hold of the arm at the end I was screaming for him to turn it over, and when he did I was going crazy for him to tap.

[Cybouncer]

I was watching it with my wife and did the same thing. As soon as he started to roll his hips I was screaming "ARM BAR, ARM BAR" at the TV.

Shamrock's team has a bunch of Punks on it. I couldn't believe Kalib was talking back to Shamrock like that. Shamrock is so big on "RESPECT" yet he just allowed him to keep giving smart assed answers.

On the other side of the coin, I didn't think TITO did anything wrong with drilling. He wasn't exerting himself that would have taken away from the fight and the twisted ankle was a freak thing.

[Palerider4146]

I also cant believe how much I like Tito now, I definetely have a new found respect for him. I just never was big on his in cage antics. At first I though Noah was going to get ground and pounded, but the other kid didnt bring anything big. His inexperience started to really show. As soon as Noah got full guard, I knew he was going for that armbar. You kept on watching him slowly swallowing up his arm and was just waiting for the switch. When the other kid started to thrust away, I thought for sure we were going to see a broken forearm or dislocated elbow. He got really lucky. Once it's in that deep there is not much else to do but tap.

[Cybouncer]

DID you see Jesse's arm bend back about 30 degrees?

I thought he was going to try and pull back which would have snapped the arm for sure.

I know Tito. A lot of what he did in the cage back in the day was his form of intimidation. He has always been a bit cocky, even in high school before he started competivily fighting. I think he has grown up a lot. He still hates Shamrock, but respects him a little more now. Shamrock is 11 years older than Tito and still in great shape. Tito is starting to see it takes a little longer to heal after the fights, and it is a little harder to get prepared now vs. when he was 25.

I am curious to see what happens now that his team has a win under it's belt. See if some of the Ortiz swagger comes back.

I kind of hope so.

[Palerider4146]

I posted a similiar response to Tito on the TUF thread. I really have been impressed with Tito so far. I wonder if Tito has matured a bit. I'm not a big fan of his antics in the octagon, and I'm curious what he does in Saturday's fight. I guess we will have to wait and see. I was very suprised by the way to find out Tito just turned 31. If he plays his cards right, he could be relevant for 10 more years ala Randy.

[Yukon_1449]

Enjoy the fights tonight. !st UFC in California and is sold out in record time. Great news for MMA. Looks like it has turned into a fairly good card. I don't have favorites in many of the fights, but should be a good night of fighting. In case anyone is living in a cave, here is the card.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=159

I always love to watch Arlovski, Monson (the crazy socailist), and Tito (even though I am not a fan). Looking forward to Diaz getting pounded again and I hope Tanner can come back, even though he is old as shit.

[beenhere47yeers]

the maine-iac!!!!!!!!!!!!! way to bring that belt back to the u.s.

[Cromwell]

‘The Maine-iac’ Reigns Again; Ortiz Gets Decision but Griffin Wins Crowd


UFC 41 Poster


By Thomas Gerbasi

ANAHEIM, CA, April 15 – In mixed martial arts, fortunes can change in a split second. Just ask Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski. Within moments of rocking and dropping Sylvia with a big right hand to the jaw in their UFC 59 heavyweight championship bout at the Arrowhead Pond, the champion soon found himself without a belt as Sylvia rebounded with a right to the jaw of his own that allowed the Maine native to regain the championship belt he had sought for over two years.

The bout, which was held before a sold out crowd of over 17,000 which witnessed the UFC’s first show ever in California, was a rematch of a February 2005 bout won by Arlovski in the first round.

That was then, this is now.

The tension was thick early as the two heavyweights squared off and shot out range finders. Arlovski struck first with the same right hand that dropped Sylvia in their first bout, but Sylvia took it without flinching. With a little over 2:30 to go in the round, ‘The Pitbull’ struck again, this time sending Sylvia to the ground hard. But instead of Arlovski capitalizing on his good fortune. Sylvia was able to scramble back to his feet, and when he did, Arlovski came in wide open and ‘The Maine-iac’ came back with some payback of his own, courtesy of a short right hand that dropped the soon to be ex-champion to the canvas. A follow-up barrage by Sylvia came in a fast and furious fashion, and referee Herb Dean immediately halted the bout at the 2:43 mark.

In the UFC 59 co-feature, the legend grows.

Despite dropping a split decision to former UFC light heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz, ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ season one winner Forrest Griffin won over a partisan crowd and gained even more fans with a courageous performance and comeback that marked him as truly one of the best 205-pounders in the game.

“I feel so good right now, I could go another two,” said Griffin. “Let’s make it five.”

It was Ortiz’ night on the scorecards though, as ‘The Huntington Beach Bad Boy’ earned the close verdict via scores of 30-27, 28-29, and 29-27, as a huge first round and a few big moments in the final frame proved to be the difference, despite the fact that he entered the Octagon for the first time since February of 2005 with a laundry list of injuries.

“I hurt my ACL before this fight,” said Ortiz. “I didn’t want to disappoint the fans so I knew I had to fight. Injuries are one of those things you have to fight through. I need to heal my injuries and relax for the next few weeks. I’m a competitor and I’ll be back. You only saw 70 percent of me. Forrest fought a great fight and you have to respect that.”

Oddly enough, this instant classic was almost over in the first round.

With the crowd erupting as John McCarthy waved the fighters into action, both fighters began trading, with Ortiz quickly securing a takedown and then opening up on Griffin, who had no answers for Ortiz’ brutal ground and pound. Within moments, Ortiz’ forearms opened up a cut over Griffin’s left eye, and though the gutsy Georgian refused to give in, Ortiz looked to be at his best as he opened up with any limb at his disposal. Finally, with a little over a minute to go, Griffin escaped and opened up with both hands, briefly jarring Ortiz, who fired back and put his foe on the mat again as he pounded his way through the remainder of the round.

Ortiz’ jab was on target to begin round two, with Griffin’s punches landing, but lacking pop. Ortiz tried for a takedown, but Griffin stuffed it, and soon a chant of ‘Forrest, Forrest’ went up from the pro-Ortiz crowd, which started it’s own chant moments later. Seconds after, Griffin stuffed two more Ortiz takedown attempts and seemed to have regained his confidence as he tagged Ortiz with a series of roundhouse punches that may not have been hurting Ortiz, but they were scoring points, and suddenly it was a brand new fight entering the final round.

“I never said I was the best,” said Griffin. “I’m just a dog. I fight.”

Looking to regain control, Ortiz tried the takedown twice more early in the third, only to be rebuffed each time. All the while Griffin kept jabbing and kicking, looking to score as Ortiz appeared befuddled by the fight’s turn. At the three minute mark Ortiz landed his best punch of the fight, an overhand right, but Griffin took it and then avoided yet another takedown, yet soon he was bleeding from under his right eye as well. Finally, with under two minutes to go, Ortiz got his first takedown since the first round, and the crowd’s roar was deafening. This time it was Griffin though doing much of the work from the bottom, and when the Georgian stood up and started trading with Ortiz it was a moment fans won’t forget anytime soon.

“At the end of the third round I looked at the clock and thought ‘if I land a few big punches, I could steal the fight,’” said Griffin. “Unfortunately, I was unable to do that. I have to take some time to heal and get back and start training. This is my job.”

It was a job well done.

In undercard action…

Sean Sherk made his last fight at 170 pounds a winning one, as he outpointed Nick Diaz unanimously over three rounds in a bout that was a lot closer than the three scores of 30-27 would indicate.

‘The Muscle Shark’ said after the bout that he will now move to the 155-pound lightweight class. Diaz, obviously upset at the verdict, has now lost three in a row in the UFC, the other two decision defeats coming to Diego Sanchez and Joe Riggs.

Sherk was impressive early as he moved forward behind a high guard and looked to make Diaz work for everything he got. For his part, Diaz’ takedown defense was on the mark, but his habit of crouching over to meet the height of his shorter foe seemed to be a recipe for disaster. A prolonged scrum against the fence was finally broken by referee Marco Lopez at the 1:54 mark, and Sherk immediately got back to work, boxing effectively on the inside against his bigger opponent.

The second round continued the pattern established by the first, with Sherk being the busier fighter as Diaz tossed out the occasional punch while waiting to turn back Sherk’s takedown attempts. After a brief break to replace Diaz’ mouthpiece though, the Stockton, California native started to land more frequently and effectively with both hands while still staying off the mat. Even on the inside, Diaz fired away as Sherk appeared winded. With a minute and a half left in the round, Sherk was finally able to take Diaz down, though neither fighter was able to inflict much damage on the other.

The third round saw more of the same, and the packed house started to get restless with a bout that had the unenviable task of following Ortiz-Griffin. Both fighters kept throwing and kept trying to win though, even though the punches seemed to lack stopping power.

“I thought it was gonna be closer,” said Sherk, “But I knew I had done enough in each round to get the decision.”

Former UFC middleweight champion Evan Tanner bounced back impressively from consecutive losses to Rich Franklin and David Loiseau, submitting rising 185-pound prospect Justin Levens in the opening round.

“This was a must win for me,” said Tanner. “In order to stay in the UFC I had to win. This is my first victory towards the title.”

Tanner immediately took the fight to Levens, who was making his UFC debut, bulling him to the fence and landing a series of shots to the head and body. Levens was able to escape and get some breathing room briefly, but Tanner pounced again and took Levens down. After a brief pounding of Levens, the UFC newcomer tried to get Tanner’s leg, only to see the veteran escape and then jump beautifully into a triangle choke. Levens gamely tried to escape with a slam, but the choke was in tight, and the Philadelphian finally tapped at 3:14 of the opening round.

“I saw the opening for the triangle choke,” said Tanner. “I have been working on that in training. I’m glad I was able to execute it.”

‘The Snowman’, Jeff Monson, continued his rise up the heavyweight ranks with a three round split decision win over old grappling rival Marcio ‘Pe De Pano’ Cruz.

Surprisingly, the two world-class grapplers opted to stand in the opening stages of the bout, with Cruz effectively using his height and reach advantage to land awkward jabs and the occasional leg kick. Monson stalked patiently, looking for an opening, but after a brief clinch the two went back to standup. At the 2:30 mark a straight left dropped Cruz and the two finally began grappling with Cruz controlling the action from the standing position near the fence until the two hit the mat. After a lull in the action, referee McCarthy stood the two up and the action continued at a diminished pace until the horn sounded to end the round.

Within the first 30 seconds of round two, Monson got the takedown, but after a brief scramble he rose to his feet, with ‘Pe De Pano’ following. Monson, his nose bloodied, continued to press the standup, and then briefly locked Cruz up, only to have the Brazilian escape danger again. Monson then tried another form of attack as he bulled Cruz to the fence and landed some knees to the leg before McCarthy broke the two. Monson’s jab again hit the mark regularly, with Cruz having little answer for it. With less than 30 seconds left, Cruz landed a perfect kick to the nose of Monson, but even though the blood flow increased, it also served to anger Monson, who took Cruz down and drilled him with head shots until the round ended.

Cruz went for his first takedown to open the round, and Monson stuffed it effectively, but the Brazilian was able to push Monson into the fence seconds later. The two switched positions against the Octagon, with McCarthy being forced to break them seconds later. After the two hit the mat again, it was Monson pressing the action, but Cruz was adept enough defensively to stay in the fight. With 2:20 left, McCarthy stood the fighters, and they both traded briefly, though neither thought of throwing more than one punch at a time. The final minute and a half of the bout was spent on the ground, with Monson the more active of the two thanks to a series of forearms to the head, but Cruz doing enough to survive the bout. Unfortunately for him, it wasn’t enough to win the fight.

“I didn’t expect the fight to go the distance,” said Monson. “My plan was to knock him out but I couldn’t get in tight enough. I was going to call out the heavyweight champion if I knocked out Marcio. I would still like a shot. I’m not sure if I’ll get it after that fight.”

Karo Parisyan may have missed his first punch of the night, but he was rarely off the mark for the rest of the four minutes and forty four seconds he pounded on Nick Thompson as he recorded a first round victory over ‘The Goat’ in a welterweight bout.

After missing his first haymaker, a move that drew a taunting wave of an imaginary bullfighter’s cape from Thompson, Parisyan secured a takedown of his foe and never looked back, mixing in his ground control with leaping punches to the head of his foe. Thompson was game throughout, but once Parisyan got in the mount position, it was good as over. ‘The Heat’ rained strikes on Thompson, opening a cut over his eye, and after a few more shots, the Minnesotan tapped and Parisyan had the victory, his first since injuries forced the cancellation of his welterweight title shot against Matt Hughes last November.

“Nick is a great opponent, but I think my experience had a lot to do with this victory,” said Parisyan. “If the UFC gives me a title shot, I’ll take it. I fight anyone.”

David Terrell made his return to the Octagon for the first time in over a year a successful one as a submitted Scott Smith with a rear naked choke in the first round of their middleweight bout.

“I want to keep fighting and stay active,” said Terrell, who was sidelined by injuries for over 14 months following a loss to Evan Tanner for the vacant UFC middleweight belt in 2005.

The fast-paced action saw Smith taking control early behind a couple of slams while Terrell held guard. After a few moments on the ground, Smith stood and implored Terrell to join him. Terrell was able to push Smith towards the fence, where he landed a few knees to the back of the leg, but after a few stagnant moments, referee Marco Lopez apparently told the fighters to break, and a moment later, to resume. In the interim, Terrell put Smith on the canvas, and as Smith looked to Lopez to complain, Terrell quickly got his back and sunk in the fight ending choke at 3:08 of the opening stanza.

With the win, Terrell improves to 2-1 in the UFC; Smith falls to 0-1 in the Octagon.

Light heavyweight prospect Jason Lambert of Long Beach improved to 2-0 in the UFC with a second round TKO win over Chicago’s Terry Martin.

After a brief feeling out process, both fighters engaged, with Martin getting the better of the action after rocking Lambert with a punch to the head while at close range. Lambert recovered and quickly and spent the better part of the next two minutes trading knees against the fence until Martin was able to get the takedown with a little over a minute left in the opening round. Lambert fought well off his back though until the bell rang.

The second saw Lambert immediately trying for the takedown, but Martin stuffed the attempt and the fighters went back to the fence until Martin could again get a takedown of his own. Once down, Lambert quickly got Martin’s back and started pounding away while simultaneously looking for a submission. The sub didn’t come, but once Lambert got his foe’s back completely, it was over, as a series of punches brought the stoppage from referee John McCarthy at 2:37 of round two.

In the welterweight opener, Thiago Alves erased the memory of a 2003 submission loss to Derrick Noble by stopping his foe with a barrage of strikes in the first round of a scheduled three.

Intent on working his Muay Thai on Noble, Alves struck early with leg kicks and knees, only to be answered back by the punches of the scrappy Noble, who took the bout on short notice after Drew Fickett was forced to pull out of the bout due to injury. With 2:30 left in the round, Noble attacked Alves with a series of shots that almost forced ‘The Pitbull’ to the mat, but Alves quickly recovered, shooting in a short right hand that floored Noble. Alves pounced on his stunned foe and a barrage of unanswered blows forced referee Mario Yamasaki to halt the bout at the 2:54 mark.

[Yukon_1449]

I gained alot more respect for Forrest after that fight with Tito. I did not think Forrest would compete. Not only did he do that, at worst the fight should have been a draw, if not a victory in his favor. Tito blew his entire wad in the first round and was gassed for the next 2. The judge who scored the fight 30-27 should be beaten with a rubber hose. The UFC could not have Forrest win with their up coming fight between Tito and Ken. I am calling Bravo Sierra. I do find it funny that Tito was dogging Ken for saying he had an injury in their first fight (Ken had a torn ACL I believe), but right after the fight in which he knew he had lost, he immediately went to the the "I have been injured" BS. Great job Tito, you true colors come out again. Go make another anti-American movie like the last one you did in Turkey. Also, take that Mexican flag, stuff it down the toilet, and go fuck your mother.

As for the Arlovski fight, he got caught. Arlovski went in like a crazed socialist and ran his Jaw into Sylvia's fist. Sylvia would have been killed if that had not happened. I can't wait for the 3rd fight between them. As for the Gentelman above who is praising Sylvia for bringing the belt back to the US, MMA is not about countries, it is about fighters. I hate nothing more then American crowds at these events. The fighters work hard but when it goes to the ground, nothing but boo's. Thats MMA, ground fighting. The first fight of the night, the crowd was booing. It was a decent fight, nothing to boo. I hate them more when they start chanting USA, USA. They know nothing of the fighters other then that. Take some lessons from the Japanese crowds and be respectful of all who enter these events. It takes alot of courage and alot more balls. Flame me if you want, I love this country more then anyone, but MMA is truly an international sport. Sylvia is a dipshit and I pray for a swift beating and a trip back to the trailer.

The Diaz fight was dreadful, Shrek will do well at 155. Why was Diaz not using his height and reach. Instead he bent over to fight the little midget, threw punches from the elbow, did nothing, and wondered why he lost. It was dreadful.

Evan (Anabolic) Tanner looked fantastic. The is training with some killers and will tear it up in his last year. Welcome back Tanner.

Monson's jabs were punishing, the guy looked like he had been shot everytime Monson threw one. Monson is great to watch but will get killed by Arlovski.

UFC 59 was ok as they go with the Forrest fight being fantastic. The UFC has WAY too much filler and only showed 60% of the fights scheduled. That means the others must have been dreadful. The fact that it sold out in 2 days is fantastic. Very good sign. It is very hard to go from Pride to the UFC. Pride has just a higher level of competition and all the fights are usaully outstanding. I will support both and love watching them very much. Hope you all enjoyed the event.

Remember 5/27/06 for the next UFC and
Pride Absolute no weight class tourny 5/5/06. Card is starting to look great.

[Palerider4146]

Yukon you make some great points about MMA in the USA. Personally have a great appreciation for the ground game in MMA. This is because I first got into the UFC back in the early 90's with the first few events. Back then I wrestled in college. Most fans probably never practiced any of the ground arts like wrestling, jiu jitsu, judo etc. so there appreciation of it, along with not understanding it contributes to the problem. Dont get me wrong, I love seeing KO's just as much as the next guy, but one of the most entertaining fights I watched (from a ground game perspective) was the Diaz/Parisian fight. There were great takedowns and counters in that fight, but most people hated it because they didnt understand what these guys were doing. Rogan even commented on that during the fight saying something along the lines that for those who understand the ground game what they were doing was fantastic. I never got much into Pride, but the few that I have seen I do see a difference in talent at times. I always wonder how Hughes and Ace would do over there. The heavyweights are definetely better over there. I do like the UFC set up of the cage though. I hate watching it in the ring with guys being pushed back all the time or being stopped to move to the center. From what I hear from others more knowledgable in MMA, there will never be a Pride/UFC showdown, that would be a huge PPV.
By the way, for anyone who thinks BJJ is BS, I had to wrestle Ricco Rodriguez back in 1994 when my coach was recruiting him. That big bastard beat the shit out of me with his BJJ skills, and that was just sparring with him a bit.

[crescentwrench]

I don't necessarily agree with not homering for your country, that's part of the fun of any sport. But I agree completely with our complete lack of appreciation for when the fight goes to the ground. I would rather a fight end in a sub than a KO 10 times out of 10. But Palerider hit on it correctly, grappling in MMA is like watching the linemen in football, you have to know what you're looking for to understand what's going on. Anyone can cheer for the touchdown, but seeing a nice pancake block takes an informed eye. Same for the grappling aspect of MMA, most people just don't know what they're watching when a guy's climbing up to try for a triangle, but a punch is easy.

That and there's not much bloodlust involved in grappling.

And btw I wanted Arlovski to beat the hell out of the White Trash Hero, countries be damned. Even after seeing his Russian mobster profile on Spike. Sylvia's an idiot who can't keep his own poop in his pants for 15 minutes.

[Palerider4146]

I But Palerider hit on it correctly,

Crescent thanks man, being a 33 year old married man, I'm not used to actually getting credited with anything. I'm absolutley crying! Great analogy in regards to the ground game and watching linemen.

[Yukon_1449]

For those who do not know what to look for in the ground game, I can certainly see where it is boring as hell. I feel sometimes they stand them up too quickly because of that, since part of fighting is wearing your opponent down and taking advantage. I am glad that the days of matches that lasted 30 mins on the ground are over. I believe Renzo Gracie and some one lasted over 90 mins in an early Pride event, all on the ground. That is one of the reasons why Hoyce will get his ass handed too him. He can't hang on the ground the whole fight. And he is like 43.

I think my problem with the USA chants goes back to UFC 6. Everyone at the event was cheering for that fat piece of shit Tank Abbot to beat Oleg Taktarov. The crowd kept chanting USA, meanwhile, Oleg may be one of the nicest and most respectful fighters out there. The crowd just loved Tank because he could hit. I think he called himself a Pit fighter, whatever that means. If Oleg lost, he was out of money and would have to go back to Russia. If that would have happened, he could not have been the Russian bad ass that gets cut up by the Cubans in Bad Boys 2. My point is, Tank was the White Trash Hero before our current champ, Sylvia, yet eveyone just cheers because he is from America, while Oleg is one of the nicest fighters I have met. Oh well, I am just happy to see MMA getting really popular.

[Palerider4146]

Hey Yukon you seem pretty knowledgable about MMA. Talking about long fights, is there any truth to the stories of Carlson Gracie and 9 hour fights back in Brazil, or are these just myths. I would love to see where you could see tape of that somewhere.

[Palerider4146]

By the way, I'm checking out some of Saturday's fights on youtube. Great triangle choke by Tanner. He had that in so deep that even when he was slammed and rolled over, it stayed in tight.

I never trained in BJJ, just wrestling (but am thinking about going to a school here that teaches BJJ, Kickboxing and sub grappling to get back in shape) but maybe someone who is trained in it can answer this question. When a guy has a RNC locked in, especially from the standing position, why doesnt the opponent who is getting choked out at least try a reverse slam to shake it off. I know Hughes had it on Trigg I think twice and neither time did anything to try and get out of it. The one time Hughes actually was hanging on his back and Trigg tapped out as he went down.

[beenhere47yeers]

QUOTE: As for the Gentelman above who is praising Sylvia for bringing the belt back to the US, MMA is not about countries, it is about fighters. I hate nothing more then American crowds at these events. The fighters work hard but when it goes to the ground, nothing but boo's. Thats MMA, ground fighting. The first fight of the night, the crowd was booing. It was a decent fight, nothing to boo. I hate them more when they start chanting USA, USA. They know nothing of the fighters other then that. Take some lessons from the Japanese crowds and be respectful of all who enter these events. It takes alot of courage and alot more balls. Flame me if you want, I love this country more then anyone, but MMA is truly an international sport. Sylvia is a dipshit and I pray for a swift beating and a trip back to the trailer.

The Diaz fight was dreadful, :QUOTE


I am not going to flame u, i am just goin to disagree with u. i am very knoledgeable about mma, and have been watching for years, not just since the recent boom. I have certain fighters i root for because of diff reasons, weather it be the way they carry themselves inside and outside of the cage or there type of fighting style. I thought arlovski was gonna kill him and think he prob will when they meet agian, but i cheer for sylvia cause hes got huge heart and a good attitude, i mean the guy gets him arm snapped and doesnt even flinch now thats heart. And yes i do cheer for americans over other contrys fighters cause usaly i have no idea what kind of people the fighters r from other contrys are except just the fighting ability. its easier to gauge if u like the guy if u understand what hes saying. the olympics r filled with great athletes from all contrys and of course we cheer for our own when we watch, cause it make it that much more interesting.

as far as the diaz fight i couldnt agree with u more. for someone who dropping guys like robbie lawler he showed me nothing offensive at all in that fight. i think diaz has the best defensive in that divison but u know that doesnt win u shit in mma. he should of been using that reach and height like u were saying and picked sherk apart. my fingers r tired so im gonna stop typeing now.

[Yukon_1449]

Hey Yukon you seem pretty knowledgable about MMA. Talking about long fights, is there any truth to the stories of Carlson Gracie and 9 hour fights back in Brazil, or are these just myths. I would love to see where you could see tape of that somewhere.

I have heard the legends of these fights as well, but never any proof. I read somewhere that Helio has the record for longest fight. It was somewhere between 3 to 4 hours. I do know that Carlson and Helio Gracie are considered to be some of the greatest fighters of all-time. They have helped and maybe completely responsible for changing the sport. Their are many stories out their about the Gracies. I imagine the truth lies somewhere in the middle. If I were the Gracies, I would not do anything to stop them. Next thing you know, Carlson will have fights that lasted for days and months.

[whoisisthis]

Hey Yukon you seem pretty knowledgable about MMA. Talking about long fights, is there any truth to the stories of Carlson Gracie and 9 hour fights back in Brazil, or are these just myths. I would love to see where you could see tape of that somewhere.


never heard about a nine-hour one, but Helio's fight with Kimura is pretty legendary


Helio's skills eventually enabled him to beat some of the world's greatest fighters. Helio's feats include the longest fight in recorded history - 3 hours and 45 minutes, nonstop - and the historic match against Masahiko Kimura, who was probably the greatest fighter Japan ever produced.

[Cromwell]

Found some interesting blog commentary on the UFC 59 fights:

The Ortiz-Griffin debate


Days after the show, the question of who really won the Tito Ortiz-Forrest Griffin fight at UFC 59 in Anaheim still rages.

Watching the match live, I thought the split decision in favor of Ortiz was just. Ortiz took round one, Griffin took round two, and I thought Ortiz had a slight edge in round three when you take the entire five minutes into account.

But that is simply from the perspective of watching the fight live. I haven't seen a tape of the show yet and didn't have the benefit of multiple camera angles and instant replays, and the fight was close enough that if Griffin won the decision, I wouldn't have felt Ortiz was robbed.

There seem to be three prevailing theories on how the fight should have been scored:

1. Ortiz wins rounds one and three; Griffin wins round two, Ortiz wins. As explained above.

2. Ortiz wins round one, Griffin wins rounds two and three, Griffin wins. Those in favor of this ruling generally say that Griffin did more damage in round 3 and finished stronger.

3. Ortiz wins round one 10-8; Griffin wins rounds two and three 10-9; fight is a draw on points. An interesting theory, but I'm not convinced round one was 10-8. To me, a 10-8 score means that one fighter was completely dominant from start to finish, or the losing fighter did something (like a low blow) to merit an 8. For example, the second round of Rich Franklin-David Loiseau at UFC 58, where Franklin dominated and Loiseau ran away from punches, was a 10-8. In Ortiz-Griffin round one, Griffin managed to escape the ground and get some offense in, so 10-9 seems a fair score.


Tim Sylvia rode perceived disrespect all the way back to UFC heavyweight championship.

"Forrest Griffin had his own locker room tonight," said the now two-time champion. "I'm in the main event and I'm the former champ and they stuck me in a locker room with six other fighters."

Sylvia had been practically given up on in the UFC scheme of things. A pair of losses to Andrei Arlovski and Frank Mir made this title shot something of a last chance at glory. Sylvia was an underdog and he knew it.

"It was a motivator," the Ellsworth, Maine native said. "All I heard about was Arlovski. He was on a six-fight win streak, now he's not anymore."

Sylvia said the fight presicely followed his game plan. "We knew he was coming in with the big overhand right," he said. "I was waiting on it."

But not without a major scare first, as Arlovski got in the first big blow. "He rocked me, and when I was down, I was thinking 'oh man, deja vu'" said Sylvia, who lost to Arlovski in 47 seconds the last time the two squared off. "But that's where the conditioning paid off. I was in the best shape of my life. I shook it off and got back to work."

While Sylvia eventually wants another crack at Mir, ("Mir broke my arm and I want to break his face," said Sylvia), it is clear that Sylvia-Arlovski III needs to happen. UFC president Dana White just stumbled on another multi-million dollar fight.

"Bring it on," said Sylvia. "Andrei gave me another title match and he deserves his rematch. Let's settle this."

*****

The biggest news coming out of the post-fight press conferences was that Tito Ortiz suffered a partially torn anterior cruciate ligament in the second round of his fight against Forrest Griffin.

"We were on the ground and I felt something pop and I said "oh, (expletive)," Ortiz said. "But I knew there was no quitting then and I knew I had to gut my way through it. I never had a silver spoon in my mouth and I've never been handed anything and I had to work my way up from the streets, so I'm not going to quit there."

The injury means Ortiz will sit out an automatic commission-mandated 90-day medical suspension. If the knee heals properly, his planned July fight with Ken Shamrock should still be on.

"I"m just glad it didn't tear all the way," said Ortiz.

Ortiz echoed the sentiments that rumbled through the Pond after the fight -- the notion that Griffin earned his keep in the fight. "Forrest earned my respect," said Ortiz, who isn't reluctent to say when he doesn't respect someone. "I wanted to put him away in the first round and he just kept coming at me. After the second round, I knew I was going to going to have to show something in the third round or he was going to win. Forrest is for real."

******

New UFC heavyweight champ

I hung back and watched Tim Sylvia as he and his crew waited in the wings to get introduced, just to see how a fighter acts right before they go through the curtain. Sylvia seemed pretty loose, Matt Hughes went over a few basics with him and another member of his posse cracked a few jokes.

Story of this fight is that Sylvia has dropped about 25, maybe 30 pounds. Looks almost thin. Should help his stamina, but we'll see how that affects his power.

Arlovski is Arlovski, fangs and all. Crowd very much pro-Arlovski.

Well, a minute's gone, so Sylvia has lasted longer than most of Arlovski's opponents. Tim's standing back and keeping his hands up, but I think I'd do that too if I had Andrei Arlovski coming at me. Actually I think I'd run in the other direction.

Arlovski's going for some body blows. Sylvia ducks a big roundhouse.

Some are booing. I suppose if they were in the octagon, they'd try to take Arlovski down. Right.

Arlovski really rocks Sylvia with a punch, but Sylvia somehow fends him off and gets back up.

And Sylvia NAILS Arlovski after an Arlovski miss. Just nails him. Sylvia jumps on top of Arlovski, starts throwing haymakers and … ladies and gentlemen, we have a new heavyweight champion of the world, Tim Sylvia. 2:23 of the first round. Major, major upset and quite the exclamation point on what's going to go down as a historic show.

They just showed the replay on the big screen. I am amazed Sylvia got up from that punch.

****

More on Ortiz-Griffin

Here's the big one. Forrest Griffin comes out first. The girls in the crowd make up a noticeable portion of Forrest's fans. Actually it is odd hearing women in a UFC audience, period.

Out comes Tito, and the roof is blown off the joint. Love him or hate him, he's a rock star. Everyone in the building is standing and Tito's taking his sweet time, carrying the U.S. and Mexican flags with him as always. Only Tito can have half the crowd boo him when his music starts and everyone cheer him by the time he actually mosies to the octagon. Forrest had his back turned and Tito walked up real close to him and made him jump as he walked by.

I am no more than 10 feet away from Forrest Griffin's corner and I can barely hear Bruce Buffer's ring introductions over the noise. Crowd is just off the hook.

Round one -- Tito scores a takedown 30 seconds in and starts punching. This is the Tito Ortiz of old, just raining down elbows and punches left and right and has already cut Griffin, Grifin's already grabbed the fence for leverage and been warned. Crowd going absolutely insane chanting for Tito. Forrest is really cut. Ortiz is just nasty. Griffin is still defending, though. Ortiz is a buzzsaw. This isn't going to the ground and doing nothing, this is just punch after punch.

Griffin's up, though. Wow. And he's throwing punches. Forrest gets in a good shot. Both staying in the standup. Tito goes for a takedown but can't do much with it. Check that, he's back on top of Forrest. That's how the round ends. Clearcut win for Ortiz, but huge credit to Griffin for taking it and looking like he can still go. That was just five electric minutes right there.

Round two -- Cameras have not stopped flashing in the crowd since the fight started. Ortiz rocks Griffin with a right about a minute in, but they're still standing up. Big chant of "Forrest" starts in the crowd. Forrest has a new cut under his nose. Ortiz goes for a takedown but doesn't get it. Still standing. "Tito" chant starts, the atmosphere here is just unreal. Forrest goes for a takedown, no luck, Tito gets a kick that comes close to being a low blow. Forrest punches Tito hard, Tito absorbs it. Tito rocks Forrest again but Forrest comes back with another couple shots and Tito makes a "c'mere" gesure with his hands. Griffin getting better and better at defensing Tito's attempted takedowns. Huge Forrest chant. Forrest's first- round cut is open again. Close round and I think I have to give that one to Griffin, he held off Tito's attempted takedowns and got in a bit more offense. Didn't really faze Tito, but at the same time, Tito didn't do so much himself.

Round three -- Everyone in the building is on their feet. Twice Tito goes for takedowns, twice Griffin escaped. Tito popped Forrest pretty good, but Forrest didn't really register it. Still sizing each other up. Tito rocks Forrest again. Forrest again escapes a takedown attempt. Forrest is going to need to do something on offense soon, because two mintues in, Tito's hit a few punches and been more aggressive. Not much happening in the third minute. Forrest finally connects with a punch. Tito finally takes Forrest down, Forrest goes for a choke but can't cinch it. Tito gets a in bunch of punches and Forrest gets in a couple of his own from the bottom, but Forrest gets up with 30 seconds left. They trade haymakers to end the fight. I'm giving round three to Tito, slightly.

Make no mistake about it -- this wasn't a technical masterpiece, but it was one of the most exciting mixed martial arts matches of all-time. Fifteen minutes of nonstop action. Both guys brought it and neither of them ever let up for a second. Half the crowd is about to get really, really ticked off one way or another. The fans got their money's worth from this fight alone.

Split decision, Ortiz.

Strong win for Tito. Expended a lot of energy in the first round, and did enough to win the third round. At the same time, though, there is such a thing as a good loss and that's what this is for Griffin. By going toe-to-toe with one of the greatest fighters ever and not only withstanding the first-round barrage, but taking round two and coming real close to taking round three, he proved he is legit and his day will come.

[whoisisthis]

UFC 60 fight card. not bad:)

Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie
Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio
Carlos Newton vs. Matt Serra
Brandon Vera vs. Assuerio Silva
Joe Riggs vs. Mike Swick
Dean Lister vs. Alessio Sakara
Babalu vs. Stephen Bonner
Melvin Guillard vs. Rick Smith
Spencer Fisher vs. Jason Chambers

[askewcore]

Wow, that really is a helluva card. They really like puttin on good shows for you Cali folks. I just watched UFC 59 a couple days ago, that was a solid card, although I think Forrest should have won his fight, I think they split the first two and Forrest took the last. But Sylvia taking that shot from Arlovski and then getting back up to KO him within like 30 seconds was amazing. It didnt even look like Tim threw the punch hard, just goes to show you the benefits of landing a punch right on the button.

[Palerider4146]

Does look like a good card. You wonder who is going to be the dark matches. Is Chuck hurt by the way. I really though Babalu deserved a title shot by now. I dont think it would be fair to allow Tito back up the ranks so quickly. Mike Swick also has a good fight there with Riggs. He's been impressive so far.
Does anyone know if the Hughes/Gracie fight is for the championship by the way, or more of a exhibition. It wouldnt be fair to GSP (although I like Hughes better) to not get his shot before someone else. Although he is about 6 years older, I dont think anyone is giving Gracie enough credit. Matt should beat him, but you never know with BJJ. Matt was choked out by Carlos Newton (by the way, I'm suprised he is back in the UFC) when he won the title back, and I dont think Newton's triangle is anywhere near the quality that Royce could lay on. It should be interesting.

Let's see how the UFC top is looking for the near future:

LW: Looks like they are bringing back this weight class. The last UFN they stated that both Joe Stevenson and Josh Neer are both looking to go down to LW. Lots of contenders once they put that belt back up.

WW: Matt vs. Royce first. If Matt wins, I expect Matt vs. GSP sometime in late August or Sept.

MW: They say Ace will be out for a while. Once he is back, who get's their shot at him. Hell, who in the UFC can beat him. Could Tito go back down to MW?

LH: I also hear that Chuck may be out with a injury. Lots of potential contendors once he is back. Babalu should be first. Forrest (even with his loss to Tito), Bonner (even with his controversial last win, and if he looks good against Babalu), Brendan Vera who has looked pretty good at HW but should be able to go down to LH.

HW:AA should get a rematch against Sylvia. Hell why not, who else is here. Although Jeff Monson has looked ok on his way back to the UFC I would want to see more before giving him a shot.

[askewcore]

Matt was choked out by Carlos Newton (by the way, I'm suprised he is back in the UFC) when he won the title back, and I dont think Newton's triangle is anywhere near the quality that Royce could lay on. It should be interesting.


Newton didnt beat Hughes though right? You're talking about the fight Hughes won via powerbomb but was still choked out?

I dont think Hughes/Gracie is for the belt, because like you said, it wouldnt be fair, and I dont think Royce really wants to make a full-fledged comeback. Thats gonna be a weird fight for me to watch, it's my old favorite fighter against my new favorite. I guess it's kinda win-win from where I'm sitting.

I also dont really think Monson deserves a shot at the belt yet, he was really unimpressive at 59. AA definitly should get a rematch, after that, I really dont know where they should go. Do you know how Mir is doing with his injury? The real fight is Feydor for the UFC champ, but that'll never happen.

[Palerider4146]

Yeah that is the fight I was talking about, the one where Newton got slammed. The thing was, and I have watched that fight about 10 times, many in slow motion, Hughes was out cold and probably the only reason he slammed him. Hughes woke up when he hit the ground and wasnt sure what the hell was going on. But hey, a win is a win.

In regards to Mir, I dont know if you know or not, but he fought in 58. He didnt do well at all, got badly cut over his eye with an elbow, and the ref eventually stopped the fight. He may need a little more time to heal that leg, it actually gave out on him at one point. He still has great BJJ and could make an impact once he is fully healthy.

[av8rOC]

Wow, that really is a helluva card. They really like puttin on good shows for you Cali folks. I just watched UFC 59 a couple days ago, that was a solid card, although I think Forrest should have won his fight, I think they split the first two and Forrest took the last. But Sylvia taking that shot from Arlovski and then getting back up to KO him within like 30 seconds was amazing. It didnt even look like Tim threw the punch hard, just goes to show you the benefits of landing a punch right on the button.

I was rooting for forrest as well but to say that they split the first round is insane! Tito easily won the first. He was in his old form that round, taking down at will and ground and pounded the shit out of forrest.

I am psyched for 60 as well, although I have a feeling we are going to be disapointed with the main event. I think Hughes will dominate Royce. I think Diego is the real deal, and will could be the champion in a few years. I cant believe they are putting up one of their ufc poster boys against IMO the number one contender at 205, Babalu. The rest of the fights are going to be worth watching as well, going to be a long night!

[Cybouncer]

Ortiz vs Shamrock Is on! (From Insidefighting.com)
Body: Talk about a rollercoaster ride.

Moments ago, Tito Ortiz left the doctors office in his hometown of Huntington Beach, California and finally got the official word as to the extent of his myriad of injuries suffered before and during his fight with Forrest Griffin at UFC 59 back on April 15. He called InsideFighting to break the news.

The news is good and bad, Ortiz told InsideFighting. The good news is that my ACL is healing well. There are no serious tears. And my LCL is only stretched, so that will be fine, too. As for the bulging discs in my back, theyve given me some anti-inflammatory pills and might go the route of a cortisone shot. That treatment plus some rest and Ill be fine.

And the bad?

I suffered a broken leg when I checked a kick, he admitted. I fractured the fibula in my left leg. But the doctors said that it will be fully healed in four-to-six weeks.

Unfortunately, the injuries guarantee that Ortiz wont be able to compete at UFC 61 on July 8.

I cant fight in July because there wont be enough time after my injuries heal to get into top shape, he explained. I would love for Zuffa to hold Ken Shamrock until August and let us fight at UFC 62. Id definitely be ready to fight by then. But I know they wont postpone the fight. Theyre going to give him to Forrest Griffin instead.

In fact, UFC President Dana White already announced that he is going to substitute in Griffin for the injured Ortiz against Shamrock on July 8. So that begs the question: If Tito could play matchmaker, who would he choose to fight next?

I would prefer to fight Shamrock because there has been a ton of buildup for the fight, he said. Its something that Ive wanted for a long, long time. But Forrest is going to beat him in July and that will be the end of Ken Shamrock. Thats not all bad, though. I definitely want a rematch with Forrest so I can show the world how badly Ill beat him when Im healthy. So I want a rematch with Forrest Griffin in my next fight.

Fifteen minutes after receiving that call, Ortiz called InsideFighting back with a massive exclusive update.

It really came down to the fact that Ill be 100 percent healed in four-to-six weeks and will have six weeks to train for Shamrock, Ortiz said in a shocking revelation. Thats enough. Ill be ready. I got home and decided that I dont want to let the money go from a Shamrock fight, so I called Dana White and made his year. He was pumped when he heard that Im willing to fight Shamrock on July 8, even though I have a broken leg. I just want to get back in there after the Griffin fight and give Shamrock a beating.

But the broken leg?

Ill be ready, he insisted. Ill let my leg heal and then will do my road work for six weeks and get into great shape. The broken leg isnt as bad as a torn ACL would have been.

Needless to say, Ortiz sounded down and upset when InsideFighting spoke with him multiple times over the last few days. But he was completely upbeat and excited in this last conversation, one where he delivered the news with conviction and purpose.

This is the life of a fighter, Ortiz laughed. Its an emotional rollercoaster. But Im fighting Shamrock in July. I made my decision. I told Dana just a few minutes ago. Its happening. What it really comes down to is being mentally strong. Im excited. I really want to fight Shamrock. I dont want to give that fight to Forrest, so Im going to fight him no matter what.

[av8rOC]

Newton didnt beat Hughes though right? You're talking about the fight Hughes won via powerbomb but was still choked out?

I dont think Hughes/Gracie is for the belt, because like you said, it wouldnt be fair, and I dont think Royce really wants to make a full-fledged comeback. Thats gonna be a weird fight for me to watch, it's my old favorite fighter against my new favorite. I guess it's kinda win-win from where I'm sitting.

I also dont really think Monson deserves a shot at the belt yet, he was really unimpressive at 59. AA definitly should get a rematch, after that, I really dont know where they should go. Do you know how Mir is doing with his injury? The real fight is Feydor for the UFC champ, but that'll never happen.

I dont think Royce/Hughes is for a title either. Matt's next fight is a title match against GSP and is already signed.

[av8rOC]

Wow I heard the Ortiz/Shamrock fight was off, thanks for the update!

On a related note, has anyone else found themselves impressed with Tito the more you watch TUF3? I know how much of a dick he is and I always disliked his BS but I am starting to think it was all just for show. He seems like a decent guy, and a great coach.
Shamrock has come off as a lazy meatheaded antique IMO. Whats up with no sumbmission expert in your camp?

[Palerider4146]

I dont think Royce/Hughes is for a title either. Matt's next fight is a title match against GSP and is already signed.

Good, I didnt think it would be right for Royce to walk in and get a shot at the title just like that. GSP has put in his time and I'm looking forward to the rematch. If he loses to Matt, it may be time for Diego to get a shot at GSP and see what happens there.

I to have really been impressed with Tito on TUF. He has really been a good coach and seemed to grow up a bit. We will see once he fights Ken though how much he has grown. It really seems that he just likes to push buttons more than anything else and there isnt to much bad in regards to that. The only thing is he is building up the deaf kid a bit, if he loses, it will not look very good. He really seems to disregard the other guys a bit to much (ie: Cutting Brisane off when he was trying to apologize and explain, kissing that kids ass, etc. etc.) Otherwise I really have enjoyed him. Ken just doesnt get it anymore. How do you not bring in a submission/BJJ guy? This isnt 1994 anymore. You really need to be well rounded now. Not only that, he has not lived up to his rep in regards to the old lion's den workouts. There's nothing wrong with taking it easy once in a while, or a fun workout, but taking time off and not being there for his guys while cutting weight, unacceptable. Tito will have his guys cardio so much better than Ken's , and it will show.

By the way, does anyone know how you get multiple quotes on a post. It's been 4 years and I still dont know how to do it. What an ass!

[askewcore]

I was rooting for forrest as well but to say that they split the first round is insane! Tito easily won the first. He was in his old form that round, taking down at will and ground and pounded the shit out of forrest.

You might have misunderstood what I wrote, I said they split the first two, Tito easily won the first, but I think Forrest took the second, dont you? The third round really could have went either way, I think the takedown Tito scored towards the end kinda won the fight for him, I disagree with the decision, but it was too close to really bitch about. I really like that wackbag has a group of really knowledgable MMA fans, it's pretty cool and rare.


By the way, does anyone know how you get multiple quotes on a post. It's been 4 years and I still dont know how to do it. What an ass!

Usually, I just post one, then start a new post, copy and paste it and then edit it into my second.

But you can also copy and paste the second quote by scrolling down while you're posting and add it in that way.

[Cybouncer]

Wow I heard the Ortiz/Shamrock fight was off, thanks for the update!

On a related note, has anyone else found themselves impressed with Tito the more you watch TUF3? I know how much of a dick he is and I always disliked his BS but I am starting to think it was all just for show. He seems like a decent guy, and a great coach.
Shamrock has come off as a lazy meatheaded antique IMO. Whats up with no sumbmission expert in your camp?


I actually posted pretty much that exact statement on the TUF 3 thread. I agree 100%, Tito is doing a fantastic job at coaching those guys.

I saw a preview for an upcoming TUF, where Shamrock didn't even show up for the training session.

[av8rOC]

You might have misunderstood what I wrote, I said they split the first two, Tito easily won the first, but I think Forrest took the second, dont you? The third round really could have went either way, I think the takedown Tito scored towards the end kinda won the fight for him, I disagree with the decision, but it was too close to really bitch about. I really like that wackbag has a group of really knowledgable MMA fans, it's pretty cool and rare.


My bad, I did misunderstand. Yeah I agree, forrest took the second round. Third Tito took with that lame takedown. I think the UFC weighs take downs too heavily.

It's funny. I browse Sherdog almost everyday and rarely find intelligent conversation over there, but Wackbaggers seem to know their UFC.

[askewcore]

I think the UFC weighs take downs too heavily.

I totally agree. That and "control or dominate position" just because you're on top and in the guard, doesnt really mean you should win the fight, Pride puts alot more merit into a guy who attemps to finish the fight with submissions from the ground. I think UFC's sometimes poor judging has to do with the fact they use boxing judges alot and sometimes I feel like they dont know what they're watching.

[av8rOC]

I totally agree. That and "control or dominate position" just because you're on top and in the guard, doesnt really mean you should win the fight, Pride puts alot more merit into a guy who attemps to finish the fight with submissions from the ground. I think UFC's sometimes poor judging has to do with the fact they use boxing judges alot and sometimes I feel like they dont know what they're watching.

Agreed. Look at that English guy last night. He beat the snot out of the other guy from his back. That was one of the best beatings I have seen on that show. He looked good.

[Cybouncer]

I was very impressed with the English guy last night. I thought he would be like the other one, all talk but he really backed it up. He was dropping hammers and had some great Knees.

That was a nasty cut on the top of the other guy's head.

[Palerider4146]

So I think it is time to start a little UFC speculation here. There is a link (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/OtherSports/2006/04/26/1551861-cp.html) on the UFC site in regards to future fights and future TUF news. Apparently the next season of TUF is quickly getting underway with major changes. It was kind of vague but referred to a different format using already established fighters with a title shot type of reward. To me this only means one thing, the return of the lightweights. It makes perfect sense. At the last UFN, both Joe Stevenson and Josh Neer made mention about going down to lightweight, which is funny because there is no such division in the UFC right now. This could be real interesting. The only problem I could see is if it became the next Last Comic Standing 3. I couldnt see how some real established fighters would want to live in a house together.
I have a feeling that Stevenson and Neer could both be involved with this. There little mentions on UFN could have been scripted a bit to get the word out, although it may not have worked since many have not talked about it. You could also see other established "light" welterweights making the drop including former TUF alum Jorge Gurgel, Jason Von Flue and even Kenny Florian who was a real tiny middleweight on TUF 1. Any thoughts folks?

[av8rOC]

Thats not speculation, its all been announced. The lightweight division has already been back. I believe they had a few matches on the last PPV or Live fight night. A bunch of guys are going down to light weight, most notably Sean Sherk who signed a multi fight deal as a lightweight.
And yes TUF4 will showcase all estabolished fighters the winner of which is awarded a title fight.

[Palerider4146]

Thats not speculation, its all been announced. The lightweight division has already been back. I believe they had a few matches on the last PPV or Live fight night. A bunch of guys are going down to light weight, most notably Sean Sherk who signed a multi fight deal as a lightweight.
And yes TUF4 will showcase all estabolished fighters the winner of which is awarded a title fight.

I understand that they have had a couple of LW fights the past couple of UFC's, but what better way to set up a shot for the vacant title than to do it on a reality tournament. Take 16 of the best LWs you can get and go with the TUF format. To me that would make the most sense. Nate Quarry already showed us what can happen if you send a TUF contestant quickly to a title shot.

[av8rOC]

I understand that they have had a couple of LW fights the past couple of UFC's, but what better way to set up a shot for the vacant title than to do it on a reality tournament. Take 16 of the best LWs you can get and go with the TUF format. To me that would make the most sense. Nate Quarry already showed us what can happen if you send a TUF contestant quickly to a title shot.

Oh, I see what you are saying. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if LW is one of the TUF4 classes either.

[Palerider4146]

They have plenty of candidates, lot's of WWs who are getting there asses kicked in that division,plus some who are good, but would rule at LW, ie:Neer, Stevenson just to name a few. I could even see a guy like GSP, who although not a chubby WW at all, seems smallish for the class of WW's now. Plus it gives Riggs another lighter division to try and get down to. Actually I think even he finally realized that MW is where he belongs.

[av8rOC]

Yeah I know for sure Stevenson said hes going to LW as well. Id be surprised if GSP could make it to 155, but if he did look out. As it is he is the best WW in the game (just my opinion). I think he is confident he can beat Hughes so Im sure he will stay put.

I agree with you about Riggs, 170 is way to small for him. Problem is he has NO chance against Franklin.

[Palerider4146]

As it stands right now, not many people have a chance against Ace. I want to see Diego a little more. Leben has looked great, but I just dont think he could stand with Ace. I think he would be a much better WW. Could Tito get down to MW, or do you think he is looking to try and go at Chuck again. Tito's rep took a big hit dodging him so much, he may want to take care of that (although Chuck will wreck him). And what about Hughes, could he go up or down. Down would be to much for him, he is friggin huge. And him in Franklin are both in the same camp right now, although I would love to see guys in same camps take each other on, you just dont see it happen.

[av8rOC]

I'm a Diego fan, I think he is a good fighter..but not good enough yet for Franklin. Some people say Frank Shamrock could hang, but I doubt it. Noone ever mentions Dan Henderson. Hes Pride I know, but I think hes a great fighter and might give Ace a run.

I would think there is more of a chance of Franklin fighting at LHW then Tito going down to MW. Either way chances are slim to none. Franklin is at the beginning of a long rehab and we wont see him fight untill maybe fall/winter. Hopefully then can put someone in there that can hang with him.
Tito is gonna fight Ken and win...then a rematch with Forrest Im sure. After that I would expect maybe a title shot against Chuck. (Unless he loses to Babaloo)
There is also talk of a coulple of Pride LHW's whos contracts are up or close to up coming over, but who knows.

Im just happy the UFC is putting on a show monthly now. More fights = more gooder.

[askewcore]

Henderson is really good, and would probably be a good match-up for Franklin, but he looked pretty shitty in his last Pride fight, he's got conditioning problems often, as I'm sure you know, and if you're not on top of your game with Ace he'll bust your ass. How much more does Pride pay guys where UFC cant even steal back some good American fighters from them? I know if I was a fighter, I'd rather fight for slightly less money in America then have to live in Japan.

I'm just loving the exposure MMA is getting lately, with boxing becoming more and more stagnant, MMA really has a chance to blow up soon.

[Palerider4146]

I've heard some reports of Pride paying up to 10 times more than the UFC. I've even read where one of the Gracies (Rickson maybe) made over a million for one fight. Dana may have to start to up the ante. Although, if they keep it up, they may be able to afford it.

[askewcore]

I've heard some reports of Pride paying up to 10 times more than the UFC.

Holy fuck. I'd live in Japan then.

[highfive]

I'm just loving the exposure MMA is getting lately, with boxing becoming more and more stagnant, MMA really has a chance to blow up soon.
i could not agree more. i grew up watching boxing and have witnessed the sport turn into a circus. Not one fight can go by without there being some sort of controversy.

I have turned my attention to MMA mainly the UFC.

[askewcore]

i could not agree more. i grew up watching boxing and have witnessed the sport turn into a circus. Not one fight can go by without there being some sort of controversy.

The Mayweather/Judah fight was a perfect example of what you're talking about. It was a great fight, overshadowed by the fact that the fighter's dads ended up brawling. It's getting really fucking sad. And heavyweights are just fuckin pathetic nowdays.

[av8rOC]

It's true, Prides contracts are more lucrative then UFC contracts. UFC endorsements however are much better. The recent mainstream exposure for the UFC means more and more endorsement deals for fighters. Take Franklin for example...he recently signed a 10 fight deal with Zuffa at appx 30,000 per fight. Sounds shitty for a draw like Rich, but how many Xyience commercials have you seen him in?
I hope all the money that comes along with mainstream exposure will continue to lure Pride's elite into the states. ie.. BJ Penn

[Palerider4146]

Good point about the endorsements. Xyience commercial are all over spike. Even the TUF guys got some Xyience spots. I do believe they will have to up the salaries though to get some of those guys from Japan. The other problem with getting Pride guys is the rampant use of steroids over there. I've read on other message boards that unlike here where you have govt bodies overseeing the process, there it's up to Pride to do what they feel is right if they test positive. I dont see many guys results becoming public. Here they even stripped Sylvia of his title after testing positive a few years ago. Some of those guys in pride are absolute beasts. I'm not saying that there is no use in the UFC, just not as crazy. Although Hughes has always made me wonder, he is friggin huge for his weight.

[av8rOC]

I never really thought Hughes juiced. He is strong but as they say "country" strong. I guess that means he isnt insanely lean and ripped ala Mark Coleman, just solid. He also has a very mild temperment, not quite what you expect from guy on roids.
I have heard, although I have no idea if its true that the UFC only tests fighters involved in title fights and main events. Apparently it is very easy to time your cycle for the fight so you are off before you are tested. Just hearsay though.

[Palerider4146]

Good point about his temperment, but you dont think he is cut. That boy has some body, in a no-homo sought of way.

[Palerider4146]

Hey MMA fans check out what I found on another site. It was supposedly done during a BBJ tourny. It's pretty horrific.

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1146656621/Grapplers_Back_Gets_Snapped_Like_a_Twig

[av8rOC]

Hey MMA fans check out what I found on another site. It was supposedly done during a BBJ tourny. It's pretty horrific.

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1146656621/Grapplers_Back_Gets_Snapped_Like_a_Twig


OMG, that may be the most insane thing I have ever seen on video. I can't imagine how painful that was!

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Can you still do BJJ from a wheelchair?

[Palerider4146]

Amazingly enough, you can see him still moving his legs after it's over.

[askewcore]

That was one hell of a Boston Crab.

The other dude looked like he was bugging out that he fucked the guy up so bad. Like when LT snapped Theisman's leg.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Yeah, what a horrible story to have to tell about snapping some guy in half. :rolleyes:

[askewcore]

Yeah, but for all we know, they could have been good friends or something.

[Cromwell]

I actually posted pretty much that exact statement on the TUF 3 thread. I agree 100%, Tito is doing a fantastic job at coaching those guys.

I saw a preview for an upcoming TUF, where Shamrock didn't even show up for the training session.


Clearly Tito's guys are in better conditioning. That's why they are winning the wars. Tonight was another example. Rory weathered the early storm and then delivered a high leg kick that rung Solomons bell.

After that it was ground and pound time.

The toothless bragger sent packing by the smarter, better conditioned athlete.

Ken has to rework his coaching regimen.

[Boratfan]

I was so happy to see Rory win. Kendall and Solomon were really getting on my nerves. Rory didnt talk shit.. did what he had to do.. and he was the winner of the fight. I wanna see what this Herman kid is all about..

[askewcore]

I really havent been paying much attention to this edition of TUF. I dont really know why, I have all the episodes TiVo'd, I just havent gotten around to watchin it yet.

[Cybouncer]

I was so glad to see that friggin loudmouthed retard get knocked the fuck out!

All he did was talk, talk, talk and what the fuck is with that "DAGGER" shit? Real intimidating.

I fucking loved when Tito flinched @ Shamrock and he jumped like a lil bitch.

Tito is doing the right thing, working them with a nice mix of conditioning & Skills training. Shamrock is acting like he didn't want to be there in the first place. He has good fighters and would probably win some of these fights if he would just train them.

By far the worst coach to date.

[Papagolash]

Shit team DAGGER lost? :(

[av8rOC]

Anyone going to order the OWGP tonight??

[askewcore]

Anyone going to order the OWGP tonight??

Yes. I'd go so far as to say FUCK YES.

[av8rOC]

Yes. I'd go so far as to say FUCK YES.

Awesome. Let me know how it was, I have to cut back on expenses (just bought my first house). I really hope Cro-Cop kicks ass. Ive heard mixed reports on whether or not Fedor will be in round 2. If he is I am def gonna order it.

[askewcore]

AV8, congrats on your house. This was a GREAT fucking card. If you get the chance to catch a replay of it, I highly suggest it. I'll break it down for ya fight by fight, I'll post the results/spoilers in black, so as long as you use the default background, yous guys wont have to read em unless you want to. The "Elite 8" (the next round of the tourney) is on 7/2/06



ROMAN ZENTSOV VS GILBERT YVEL

Zentsov won in the first round via KO. He hit Yvel with a huge left hook after he dominated most of the fight on the ground. When they stood up Yvel was throwing as he was going backwards and Zentsov punched his jaw loose with a monster left hand.

ALASTAIR OVEREEM VS FABRICIO WERDUM

Overeem really controlled the first round, scored four or five takedowns and was owning the striking and the ground position. Werdum attemped a couple sumbmission but didnt pull anything off in the first. 3:45 seconds into round 2 Werdum pulled off a great Kimure from his back and got the tap.

TSUYOSHI KOSAKA VS. MARK HUNT

This was the first fight with a huge weight difference. TK came in at 211 lbs. Hunt was 292. This was my favorite fight of the night. I really like both fighters and they had a fucking war. Both guys were landing bombs and taking everything the other guy had to offer. TK almost pulled off an early sumbmission. The first round was pretty evenly matched, but Hunt probably took it. In round 2 Hunt landed alot of big shots in succession and TK collapsed in the corner. The ref stopped it. TK probably could have continued, but he looked like he would have ended up taking huge damage. Hunt wins via Ref Stoppage. After the fight TK announced that he was going to retire from fighting, but will continue to train fighters.

JOSH BARNETT VS. ALEXANDER EMEILANKO

Feydor's brother, Alexander owned the first round. Barnett looked very uncomfortable and outmatched in the stand-up game. AE was having his way with him. In the second round, JB came out looking for the takedown right away. Once he got it he threw AE in a quick kimura and got the victory. Barnett wins in R2 via Key lock.

JAMES THOMPSON VS. KAZUYUKI FUJITA

Thompson was winning most of the first round. They stayed standing for the majority of it and Thompson was cruising. Towards the end of the round he started to look like he was getting tired and Fujita got him in the corner and started raining down big shots on him. He caugt JT on the jaw with a mean shot and KO'ed him. Fujita by KO in R1.

MIRKO CRO-COP VS MINOWA

Minowa came out very aggressive, Cro-crop was unphased by it. Minowa went for a takedown, Mirko sprawled it, landed a good shot and then got a mount. He pounded Minowa and won by ref stoppage due to strikes 1:10 seconds into the first round. Cro-cop by KO in R1.

ZULUZHINO VS. ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGIERA

This fight had the biggest weight difference of the night. Nogiera came in at 233, Zuluzhino is known as "the Brazilian Bob Sapp" and came in at 390. No big surprise here really, Nogi took him down immediatly and then dominated him on the ground. He popped him into an armbar in the first round and that was that. A.R. Nogiera by armbar sumbmission in R1.

YOUSUKE NISHIJIMA VS HIDEHIKO YOSHIDA

The classic battle of boxer versus Judo. Nishijima was a former WBF cruiserweight champ, Yoshida, as your probably know was a judo gold medalist. Yoshi took him down pretty quick, used his gi to control one arm and threw his man into a triangle real fast. 2:33 seconds into R1 Yoshida won via triangle choke.

The fighters who had a bye into the second round were Phil Baroni and Feydor. I cant wait for July 2nd. Should be a sick conclusion. The next PRIDE event is the welterweight Bushido tourny in June (4th I think). Definitly a great show tonight.

[av8rOC]

awesome. I can't find any of the fights on youtube yet. looking forward to watching some.

[Standby]

The fighters who had a bye into the second round were Phil Baroni and Feydor. I cant wait for July 2nd. Should be a sick conclusion. The next PRIDE event is the welterweight Bushido tourny in June (4th I think). Definitly a great show tonight.

I agree. Great card. Sadly I slept through the Cro Cop match, and woke up just as it ended. Heh, wasn't a long sleep.

Also a minor correction. There were 7 first round fights, and Fedor makes it 8 in the next round. Phil Barone isn't in this tourney, but he was mentioned as part of the Middleweight Grand Prix coming up.

And wasn't Wanderlei supposed to be part of the Open Weight GP? Maybe he backed out and that's why Fedor got the bye?

[askewcore]

Also a minor correction. There were 7 first round fights, and Fedor makes it 8 in the next round. Phil Barone isn't in this tourney, but he was mentioned as part of the Middleweight Grand Prix coming up.

Yeah, the first bout of the night was a reserve bout in case anyone gets injured. I'm retarded. I musta mis-heard about Barone, I guess thats what I get for typing a review up at 4:30 in the morning while shrooming my face off.

And wasn't Wanderlei supposed to be part of the Open Weight GP? Maybe he backed out and that's why Fedor got the bye?

Ya know, I think you're right about Wanderlei. That's very possible. Either way though, Feydor deserves the bye.

[av8rOC]

OK, I'm new to Pride so help me out. After the first round we have 7 fighters and Fedor makes 8. July 2nd there will be four fights, correct? How do they pick a winner? Do the fighters fight more than one fight, ie. bracket format?

Also how do they pick the fights? I would love to see fedor cro-cop 2!

[DoughBoy]

The big tall brit with the red mohawk got his ass whipped.

[Standby]

OK, I'm new to Pride so help me out. After the first round we have 7 fighters and Fedor makes 8. July 2nd there will be four fights, correct? How do they pick a winner? Do the fighters fight more than one fight, ie. bracket format?

Also how do they pick the fights? I would love to see fedor cro-cop 2!

Yes, you would be correct in saying there will be four second round fights. The way this tournament will pan out is with the round of 16 on one card, the round of 8 on another, and the semis and final in one card.

As for picking the fights? It doesn't seem like there's a set bracket format, as anything I've read has fighters and analysts saying who they'd like to see matched up. So maybe it's like a tournament style only with PRIDE making the fights, up until the semis, I guess.

[av8rOC]

I guess the lates is that Fedor is out of the OWGP due to his hand injury and Wandy is in!
I was really hoping to see Fedor fight Cro-Cop again but you cant bitch about Silva at all. Still an awesome card.

http://www.prideofficial.com/free/ne...?id=1147928382

[Cromwell]

Next Monday - a special preview of UFC 60 on Spike. Should be cool.

[Palerider4146]

So I just got done watching last nights UFC unleashed featuring Hughes. First of all, I still think he got choked out by Newton, but hey a win is a win. Also a lot of people have said that GSP was going to beat him, that he was winning the round. That was a great 5 mins of fight. It just kept on going back and forth, and I think Hughes was suprised how good GSPs wrestling was. With that said, Hughes still did what he needed to do to win that fight, that was a great armbar that he capitalized on. Ironic after talking about GSP having great JJ. So I checked on another website, and realize that their fight was over a year and a half ago. GSP has every right being a bit POd that he never got a rematch. It is way overdue. Karo and Riggs should not have gotten a shot before GSP. I hope the UFC does the right thing and make a rematch official for maybe August or Sept. That should be a great fight.

[Cromwell]

Hughes will be sure to have a "country breakfast" and a xience bar before that one.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

What the hell is Hughes real weight? Because he looks a hell of a lot heavier then what ever he weighs in at.

[Cromwell]

What the hell is Hughes real weight? Because he looks a hell of a lot heavier then what ever he weighs in at.

He's a classic wrestler.

Gets himself down to 170 (barely) for the weigh-in.

Balloons up to 200 by fight time :icon_mrgr

[Palerider4146]

Back when I was wrestling in college, there was a independent research group doing a study on wrestlers weight gain after their weigh ins. We used to weigh in 20 hrs before the match, giving plenty of time to bulk up after some guys hadnt eaten for 3-5 days. What they did was to weigh all the wreslters at the Div. 1, 2 and 3 championships right before their matches. The average weight gain was 15 pounds with one 118 pounder gaining 18 pounds in 20 hrs, a 10% gain in that time. It used to be insane what these guys did to lose weight, then gain weight in even a shorter time. One guy I wrestled with lost 10 pounds in 12 hrs, then gained 11 back in the 20 hrs before his match.

[MikeyP]

Can someone please explain to me why Swick is getting a fight on the PPV card with Riggs?

I personally think it's time for Leben to be put on the PPV card (and not the dark matches) and not Swick. He's got a better professional record than Swick (who he's beaten), he's fought more in the UFC already, and I could be mistaken but I think he lasted longer on TUF 1 than Swick did (I'm not 100% on this one).

Either way, Leben probably has a larger fan following to boot and is more of a crowd favorite in general. Plus, Leben's been wanting to fight Riggs, and I think that would just be a swell fight.

[Standby]

Can someone please explain to me why Swick is getting a fight on the PPV card with Riggs?

I personally think it's time for Leben to be put on the PPV card (and not the dark matches) and not Swick. He's got a better professional record than Swick (who he's beaten), he's fought more in the UFC already, and I could be mistaken but I think he lasted longer on TUF 1 than Swick did (I'm not 100% on this one).

Either way, Leben probably has a larger fan following to boot and is more of a crowd favorite in general. Plus, Leben's been wanting to fight Riggs, and I think that would just be a swell fight.

I agree. It does seem like time and time again we see the same few fighters (apart from titleholders and other big names, of course) on the undercard. And worse, it's the ones who lose or fail to impress. Nick Diaz has a PPV losing streak of 3, 4 matches by now, doesn't he? If Diego didn't back out of the last fight, it would have been an extra loss.

I agree, Leben and any other new faces... especially the heavyweights. That division needs some help...

[MikeyP]

BTW, I'm an asshat... Bonnar beat Swick to get into the finals.

Still, Leben's simply done more and is more of a crowd favorite.

[Palerider4146]

Leben has been Mr. Ultimate Fight Night, he's been on all 4. It is about time that he gets a PPV match. Even better, they could have capitalized on a little TUF 1 controversy. If you remember Leben's last fight before TUF was against Swick and he knocked him out. That could have been a decent rematch. I feel that Leben is being the "good company guy" by taking all these UFN fights and it may pay off for him down the line. I will say this, all though he dominated his last fight against that kid Fiorvanti, he never finished him like he should have. He even realized he blew that opportunity. Leben has beat some decent names, Cote, Dewees and Rivera, it's about time he gets a big match and let's see what he can do. Let him go with The crow and really see what happens. Talking about TUF alum, has anyone heard from Nate "The Rocked by Ace" Quarry or is he still waking up. I like Nate, but they rushed that fight way to much.

[av8rOC]

Speaking of TUF fighters, anyone else looking foward to Diego's fight on saturday?

[MikeyP]

I like Nate, but they rushed that fight way to much.

I agree with you 100%.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Even better, they could have capitalized on a little TUF 1 controversy. If you remember Leben's last fight before TUF was against Swick and he knocked him out.I thought he only lost because Swick popped a goodly cut right on his eyebrow...

as for Nate, that fight was just so brutal he didn't stand a chance. I'm pissed, they used to show the old (like 2 or 3 UFC's ago) PPV's on the INHD channels...but not so much recently

[Palerider4146]

I thought he only lost because Swick popped a goodly cut right on his eyebrow...

as for Nate, that fight was just so brutal he didn't stand a chance. I'm pissed, they used to show the old (like 2 or 3 UFC's ago) PPV's on the INHD channels...but not so much recently

I think you mean Florian threw that elbow. Remember, a lot of these guys fight out of their normal weight class for TUF. Some of the LH's from TUF 1 are actually MW, like Swick. Some of the MW's were actually WW's like Diego, and Florian, who could actually fight at LW.

I know recently that INHD played on of the UFC's, I think it was the one after Randy/Chuck II.

[av8rOC]

Apparently the UFC 60 is shaping up to be a disaster for Zuffa... Rumor is that they have only sold 8,000 seats at the staple center. I just did a search on Ticketmaster and found you could get just about any seat in the house, the shittiest of which will cost you $215. $215!!! If you want to get close to the cage its $800-$1000 for a seat. Combine that with the holiday weekend and you have a recipe for disaster.
I guess Dana's greed has gone too far with this one.

[Palerider4146]

Yeah, they may have not thought this out to well. Many people are going to be away for the long weekend. Your PPV may still be good, but they should have kept it in Vegas for now. Even Atlantic City may have been a good option. Many people travel down to the Jersey Shore this weekend, and AC is not to far (1/2 t0 1 hr away) from the major shore areas.

[askewcore]

Those prices are insanity. Is that the norm for UFC?

[Palerider4146]

I believe they upped the prices because of Royce (who reportedly is making $1.3 mil for the fight). Even if the gate is low, I have a feeling that the PPV will be very good. Worse case scenario is that Staples is half sold but they still have a very good buzz out there.

[MikeyP]

I believe they upped the prices because of Royce (who reportedly is making $1.3 mil for the fight). Even if the gate is low, I have a feeling that the PPV will be very good. Worse case scenario is that Staples is half sold but they still have a very good buzz out there.

Wow, that's in the neighborhood of 10x what they usually pay Hughes.

[Kid Brock]

Actually the paper here in town today said the Gracie is getting a "guaranteed' $1.5 million. Chuck Lidell makes about $250K for a title fight. So they are saying that Gracie is worth that much more?

[MikeyP]

Most fighters make around 2-20k/fight, except for some of the main eventers.
Rich Franklin only maked 16k to show for UFC 58 (plus 16k win bonus).

Loiseau made a paltry 9k for that fight.

[av8rOC]

UFC prices are never cheap, but those are ridiculous. Normally the seats range from $40 - $400.
I didnt know they were paying Gracie that much, thats impressive. The thing about what Zuffa pays guys like Frankin and Hughes is that they do well with endorsement deals.
You would think that with all the new attention the sport has gotten that they would start to pay the fighters more and bring in some more Pride talent. One can only hope.

[askewcore]

You would think that with all the new attention the sport has gotten that they would start to pay the fighters more and bring in some more Pride talent. One can only hope.

I was having this discussion with some friends (about how UFC should start going all out to steal guys from Pride). Do you think they havent because the casual fan (like people who just got into UFC from the TUF TV show) dont know who guys like Cro-Cop are yet in America?

I just used Cro-cop as an example because I think his head kicks would make him beloved in the States

[av8rOC]

I would drip down my leg if they signed a guy like Cro-Cop, but you have a point. Average Joe Schmo thinks the UFC is it and any other organization is sub par.
That being said, they are fickle fans. They see a guy like Mirko knock out Chuck or someone else with a high left leg and they become fans fast.

There is chat that Wanderlei is a possibility, but I recently heard he is going to K-1. Who knows.

[Palerider4146]

On a MMA website, one of their contributors had made a statement in regards to fighters going between rival organizations, mainly Pride and UFC. He said that in the past that the UFC was always willing to send fighters to Japan, but it has yet to be reciprocated. Maybe if Zuffa starts paying well, maybe these guys will come on their own. Mainly the heavyweights, that is the UFCs biggest problem. I am curious how the other weight classes would do against the current batch in Japan.

[av8rOC]

On a MMA website, one of their contributors had made a statement in regards to fighters going between rival organizations, mainly Pride and UFC. He said that in the past that the UFC was always willing to send fighters to Japan, but it has yet to be reciprocated. Maybe if Zuffa starts paying well, maybe these guys will come on their own. Mainly the heavyweights, that is the UFCs biggest problem. I am curious how the other weight classes would do against the current batch in Japan.

Yeah no doubt AA or Silvia would get embarassed in Pride. I think Hughes, Franklin, GSP, Penn, and Chuck could hold their own however.

[askewcore]

Who would Franklin get matched up against in Pride? I'm not too hot with the weight classes. I'd love to see Cro-cop versus Chuck, even though Mirko is probably a little bigger.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

this afternoon on Outside the Lines they did a piece on UFC...didn't even mention Pride or K-1, instead they were tlaking about how violent it is and how it's slowly but surely creeping up on boxing in popularity

and, here's a fuckin random thing....I got a phone call from an automated machine today, telling me to buy UFC 60 and ran down the card. I think I got one of those back in the day from The Rock advertising a Wrestlemania

[MattyIceGfunk]

Am I the only one here that thinks Hughes will tap out in the first or second? I am going Gracie in the big match. I got Diego Sanchez over the slap dick hes fighting and I gotta go with Mike Swick over Riggs.

[askewcore]

Am I the only one here that thinks Hughes will tap out in the first or second?

No. I think Gracie is gonna own him on the ground. I said this in the other thread, but, the last good ju jitsui guy Hughes fought was BJ Penn, and BJ whipped him. And Royce's BJJ is far better than anything Hughes has ever faced. Matt's great but I dont think he can handle Royce's submissions. Gracie's got a helluva jaw too that he really doesnt get credit for.

What're the odds on that fight?

Always take Diego, the UFC feeds him lame ducks everytime. (that being said, I dont know who he's fighting on this card)

[MattyIceGfunk]

Last I looked it was Gracie +280. Crazy. I may put the house on it.

[askewcore]

wow, im loving that right now. the only problem is, if the fight goes to the cards, the best royce will get is a draw. UFC fixes their decisions. I'm convinced of it.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Maybe they should enable a viewer phone vote for all the PPV peoples to determine the winner.

[askewcore]

Maybe they should enable a viewer phone vote for all the PPV peoples to determine the winner.

Yeah! That was funny and relevant! :icon_roll

Maybe they should actually score on attempts to finish the fight, instead of just who is in the mount winning the round. Or maybe they should give yellow cards for lack of action. Or maybe they should score the the fights fair and not have them lean towards whoever is the more popular fighter...

[av8rOC]

I dunno, I think GSP's BJJ is excellent, and Hughes lost to BJ Penn a long time ago. Remember he was only a wrestler a few years ago and has picked up his game greatly since then.

I see Matt GNP' to a stoppage, or a unanimous decision. What I am afraid of is a long boring 3 rounds of hugging while Royce hunts for a sub. He wont get it.

Hughes by strikes, or long boring decision.. Thats what Im guessing.

[av8rOC]

Who would Franklin get matched up against in Pride? I'm not too hot with the weight classes. I'd love to see Cro-cop versus Chuck, even though Mirko is probably a little bigger.

Dan Henderson fights at about 183 I believe. That would be a fantasy matchup for me.

[lukus]

might be a little OT or might have been discussed before but doesn't than do bjj?

[Cromwell]

Hughes wins (like I predicted he would).

There's something to be said for overall strength. Its not always about the "best ju jitsu".

Has it shown up on YouTube yet? :icon_mrgr

[Paulie Pockets]

Hughes wins (like I predicted he would).

There's something to be said for overall strength. Its not always about the "best ju jitsu".

Has it shown up on YouTube yet? :icon_mrgr

Indeed it has. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyUdtrMnfDI&search=hughes%20gracie)

[whoisisthis]

might be a little OT or might have been discussed before but doesn't than do bjj?


I believe it was Japanese Jiu-Jitsu

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Indeed it has. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyUdtrMnfDI&search=hughes%20gracie)
that was fast...video's already yanked

[whoisisthis]

god-damn! Lister is a machine. This has to be the sweetest triangle I've ever seen in MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnwddwGgGY&search=dean%20lister

[Cybouncer]

god-damn! Lister is a machine. This has to be the sweetest triangle I've ever seen in MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnwddwGgGY&search=dean%20lister


That was sick!

It looked like a Python on a rodent. He just sunk it in tighter and tighter.

[Cybouncer]

Try this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPP5WEXbU3w)


I think the end for Grace was @ 4:13 when Hughes dropped 2 or 3 elbows right on the back of his head at the base of his spine. From that moment on, Grace was out of it.

How about that arm bar that Hughes put on Grace and Royce didn't submit?!:icon_eek:

[d0uche_n0zzle]

How about that arm bar that Hughes put on Grace and Royce didn't submit?

Royce must be double jointed, I was waiting to hear a loud popping sound when Hughes set that fucker in.

[Cybouncer]

Royce must be double jointed, I was waiting to hear a loud popping sound when Hughes set that fucker in.


They (Rogan & Coture) thought that the arm popped. I was amazed that not only did it not pop but he was striking Matt in the back of the head when they rolled over.

[askewcore]

Wow, I'm surprised everyone thought Diego lost. I was shocked to hear so many boo's in the crowd as well.
I guess I need to watch that fight again. To my knowledge you dont score points for takedown defense and I had the fight 30-27 simply because of Octogon control. Hell, Diego had this guys back for like the last 2-3 minutes of round 3. I dont remember Alyssio (sp?) doing ANYTHING offensively....I think alot of the boos in the crowd were from casual fans who were upset there wasnt enough punches thrown (the place I watched it, that was the complaint everyone was making because most casual fans cant appreciate good ground work/defense/trying for submissions)

I dont really think Diego controlled the pace of the first two rounds. Everytime he'd shoot and get sprawled he'd back up while they were standing. Alyssio definitly wasnt aggressive enough, but he pushed the pace of the fight for the first two rounds. Plus, he split Diego's eye open pretty good. I dont know if UFC scores points for damage like they do in Japan, though. You have to give Diego round 3 because he was on Alyssio's back, but he still got nothing done from the position, he just rode around on his back the whole time. At least Alyssio was attemping to armbar (half-hearted as it may have been). If the fucking kid would have just let his hands go, he would have taken that fight easy, and probably scored a KO. Diego doesnt really look like he's got much of a jaw. The first accomplished guy they put him in with is gonna embarass him, imo.


I am far from a Riggs fan. He talks so much shit and never seems to deliver. The few recent wins he has managed have been boring IMO. Plus all that crap with Diaz in the hospital.

I hate Riggs too. If he's gone, good riddance.


On a side note, we should probably continue this on the MMA thread, kind of gone off topic here....

Right you are.

[av8rOC]

The first accomplished guy they put him in with is gonna embarass him, imo.

You dont think Nick Diaz is accomplished?

[askewcore]

You dont think Nick Diaz is accomplished?

I actually didnt know they fought, I didnt see the TUF 2 finale. Looking at Diaz's stats on sherdog though, I see Diego won by decision. Was it a legit win?

[Kid Brock]

I also could care less if I ever see Riggs fight again, but in all fairness the hospital incident was 100% Diaz's fault.

[askewcore]

I also could care less if I ever see Riggs fight again, but in all fairness the hospital incident was 100% Diaz's fault.

What was the full story behind that? I dont really like either one of them, Diaz is a very good fighter, but always bitches when he loses.

[Kid Brock]

What was the full story behind that? I dont really like either one of them, Diaz is a very good fighter, but always bitches when he loses.


The short version is that they were both at a local hospital here in Vegas and as Riggs was being checked on by a doctor Diaz came out of no where and popped him when Riggs wasn't looking. I should say Diaz and his crew stormed in an then Nick hit him. If you ask him he has never lost a fight, he has just been fucked out of wins. I was at the Riggs/Diaz fight, you lost fair and square Nicky boy.

[Palerider4146]

I wasnt upset at the Diego fight deciscion. It was a shit match, but the guy Allesio never really showed much offense. He was doing a lot of backing up and just shot defense. Had he started throwing haymakers, he wins. BTW, Leben should be given a PPV match by now. He paid his TUF penance by being the UFN poster child so far. He has beaten some good fighters, and could use a shot against someone on a summer PPV.

[av8rOC]

Another thing about the Sanchez fight is that one of the judging factors is aggression. You have to admit that Diego was the aggressor in all 3 rounds.

[av8rOC]

From the other thread:

Thinking back to the fight, I have to agree that you should hand the victory to Diego, but the way he fought wasn't anything to talk about.

Yes, it is true that they score you on certain things, defense not being one of them. Yes, Alessio did not really have much of an offense, and just shrugged off most of Diego's shoots, but he didn't do anything to earn points and win.

My disgust was only in the fact that Diego fought nothing like a winner of TUF should fight.

Perhaps we should close this thread and move our discussion back to the MMA one. A lot of the post-UFC 60 comments were the same in both threads...

I totally agree with you. Im not saying Diego did anything special, bottom line was the fight sucked but IMO you have to give it to him.

[av8rOC]

I actually didnt know they fought, I didnt see the TUF 2 finale. Looking at Diaz's stats on sherdog though, I see Diego won by decision. Was it a legit win?

It was legit. He looked much better then he did saturday night, thats for sure. If I remember correctly it was a very entertaining ground war.