3dMark06 is out!!!

[TreeFortRichard]

http://www.futuremark.com/products/3dmark06/

Time to make the benchmark...


I wonder if it is a coincidence that ATI releases the new catalyst drivers at the same time...

[HowardsYamBag]

Time to flex my ePenis:

7,873 marks

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=978

[patbattlefield]

can't wait to test that with the 6.1 and crossfire.

[Deadbent]

Awright, wackbag techfiends sound off.
First of all,
I'm pretty impressed with the way they implemented hdr on all of 05's tests.
Giving it my first run through it tonight, and it stresses the systems pretty well.
Using a cracked copy, so I'll be non orb verified, cant submit to it, so I suck.
Waiting to see if futuremark will give me a review copy. :P


First test bed :
Dual core 170 Opteron @ 2.95ghz per core, 1.5v
On Prometia Mach II phase cooling
Dfi Lanparty Ut-4 Dr-sli running bigtoes tccd bios.
1gb ocz pc4800 plat elite rev2@ 2.85v, running at 533ddr. Aggressive timings.
2x512mb evga 7800gtx in Sli, stock speed, on air. 82.84 drivers
74gb Raptor.

3dmarks, 1st run - 7988
First impressions : HDR is going to become prevalent, and we're going to need to fork out more dough to have nominally running systems, heh. I blame vistas gui for all of this gravitation to more onboard video memory, not games. I'm not sure how this score is totalled just yet, but the same things that governs a score on 05, seem to be governing the same things in 06. We'll see.

2nd test bed, test in progress now :
A64 4000 @ 2.850ghz, air.
Dfi Lanparty Ut-4 Dr-sli running bigtoes tccd bios.
Corsair Xms pc4400 @ ddr 500.
Viperjohn Modded bfg 7800gtx oc @ 580/1540 on water 81.98 drivers
15k scsi hdd

3dmarks - 4287

So, what this is telling me...

...is that they're finally acknowledging a systems performance boosts when running dual core systems and sli.
Interesting that they're finally taking much more of a score increase from sli and dual core set ups. This means they're doing something right for a change.

My score on the sli/dual core set up is almost twice the score of its younger brother. That's because it's almost twice the beef of its younger brother.
05 benches on the dual core/sli were just under 11k, on the single core/gpu, almost 9k. So the discrepancy was shitty. 06 seems to be correctly reflecting a systems nut size in comparison to another.

The cpu tests are a nice add-on, too. But seemingly useless. I really wouldn't trust them just yet as an accurate indicator of cpu strength. We've got Everest for that and superpi.
Remember how 03 was optimized for certain gpu cores? heh. I've a feeling this is the same way for cpu's. Thusly imbalancing validity.

Gonna check a few forums right now and see what people are saying about 06 and how their results are lookin'.
Also gonna see what kinda tweaks I can do, run a few more benches and hit 8k, damnit.

Let me know how it goes with the crossfire platform pat, I know you're always into the pc shit.







This set up got

[Mindriot]

Awright, wackbag techfiends sound off.
First of all,
I'm pretty impressed with the way they implemented hdr on all of 05's tests.
Giving it my first run through it tonight, and it stresses the systems pretty well.
Using a cracked copy, so I'll be non orb verified, cant submit to it, so I suck.
Waiting to see if futuremark will give me a review copy. :P


First test bed :
Dual core 170 Opteron @ 2.95ghz per core, 1.5v
On Prometia Mach II phase cooling
Dfi Lanparty Ut-4 Dr-sli running bigtoes tccd bios.
1gb ocz pc4800 plat elite rev2@ 2.85v, running at 533ddr. Aggressive timings.
2x512mb evga 7800gtx in Sli, stock speed, on air. 82.84 drivers
74gb Raptor.

3dmarks, 1st run - 7988
First impressions : HDR is going to become prevalent, and we're going to need to fork out more dough to have nominally running systems, heh. I blame vistas gui for all of this gravitation to more onboard video memory, not games. I'm not sure how this score is totalled just yet, but the same things that governs a score on 05, seem to be governing the same things in 06. We'll see.

2nd test bed, test in progress now :
A64 4000 @ 2.850ghz, air.
Dfi Lanparty Ut-4 Dr-sli running bigtoes tccd bios.
Corsair Xms pc4400 @ ddr 500.
Viperjohn Modded bfg 7800gtx oc @ 580/1540 on water 81.98 drivers
15k scsi hdd

3dmarks - 4287

So, what this is telling me...

...is that they're finally acknowledging a systems performance boosts when running dual core systems and sli.
Interesting that they're finally taking much more of a score increase from sli and dual core set ups. This means they're doing something right for a change.

My score on the sli/dual core set up is almost twice the score of its younger brother. That's because it's almost twice the beef of its younger brother.
05 benches on the dual core/sli were just under 11k, on the single core/gpu, almost 9k. So the discrepancy was shitty. 06 seems to be correctly reflecting a systems nut size in comparison to another.

The cpu tests are a nice add-on, too. But seemingly useless. I really wouldn't trust them just yet as an accurate indicator of cpu strength. We've got Everest for that and superpi.
Remember how 03 was optimized for certain gpu cores? heh. I've a feeling this is the same way for cpu's. Thusly imbalancing validity.

Gonna check a few forums right now and see what people are saying about 06 and how their results are lookin'.
Also gonna see what kinda tweaks I can do, run a few more benches and hit 8k, damnit.

Let me know how it goes with the crossfire platform pat, I know you're always into the pc shit.







This set up got

Your Friggin Test results have just thrown a wrench into my CPU choices.
I was leaning toward the AMD64 4000+ and was going to wait on purchasing Dual Core until the AM2 chipset came out. The Dual core chips should fall a bit on the 939's when AM2 hits the market. But Now I'm looking at the Opterons. Thanks for making my decision even more difficult. :icon_mrgr


How is the Opty on the gaming side? I know what they offer as far as Multimedia creation and Multi Processing. But is it still well under the Single core Chips. Every Site I've checked has the Single Core 64's killing (in most games) the Dual cores. And some of the Top Single Core Chips aren't that far off in Programs like 3dsMax and Photoshop. Which is what I mostly do.

Since you have both, what areyour thoughts??

[HowardsYamBag]

Not true anymore. The dual core Opties are basically X2 chips with tighter quality control because they are server grade chips.

In gamingm, they rock, especially with games now releasing SMP patches to take advantage of dual-core.

And keep in mind, when they used to say that the single core chips were faster on games, that was not exactly true. That trend only showed up when you ran the games and lower resolutions and settings in order to make sure that the video card was not the bottle-neck.

Crank up the rez and the AA, and the 6% difference shrank to nil.

There are plenty of apps, and now games, that use both cores, so single core is now getting it's ass handed to it pretty much across the board.

[Deadbent]

How is the Opty on the gaming side? I know what they offer as far as Multimedia creation and Multi Processing. But is it still well under the Single core Chips. Every Site I've checked has the Single Core 64's killing (in most games) the Dual cores. And some of the Top Single Core Chips aren't that far off in Programs like 3dsMax and Photoshop. Which is what I mostly do.

Since you have both, what areyour thoughts??


To address how the opty is on the gaming side :
It's no different than a regular x2 proc, imo, and technically in specs, just more durable.
On the gaming end, ehh.. I'd say it's roughly 5% less effective on games I play than my single core. Your results may vary since I'm overclocked out of my ass. Stock speeds, it'd be more around 10% maybe? Don't quote me on it. Just roughly estimating there. But yeah, there is a very nominal hinderance in gaming with one. I'm really fucking picky about things like that, and I'm not bothered by it. So, it's definitely tolerable, and the good outweighs the "bad" heh.
A good amount of games are starting to make use of the dual core cpus now, too. Which is why I was glad futuremark got on the bandwagon.
They're not as beneath the single cores for gaming now, as they were when they first came out. I tried out an 4200 x2, and was pretty unimpressed with the performance, and overclockability. Mind you, this was about a week after they were released, and NOTHING knew how to take advantage of it. A lot of games and programs weren't designed to utilize the extra threading and shit.
Now, stuff like silent sam2, doom4, black and white 2, etc and just about anything else that'll be coming out from a major publisher/developer from here on in are benefitting, and going to be benefitting from the extra thoroughput.
The same goes for applications like ps and such.
Some useful info can be found here : http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668
It better explains the way single core vs dual core stuff works in there, and will give some numbers to back it up.

My final thought on the opty :
1) it's cheaper than it's x2 counterpart with the exact specs, and can perform much better than it if you get a good chip.
2) It's futureproof basically, and everything is going to be built to make use of them in the future.
3) All games in the future will be better with a dual core cpu. It allows for more things to be going on at the same time. Non graphical of course. Dual core cpu's help out shit like AI, and other algorithms like that pretty much.
4)If overclocked right, even on air cooling, and minimal fancy equipment, this 400 dollar processor here will exceed the performance of Amd's Fx-60 when it hits stores. Hitting them starting out at 1100 bucks.
$400>$1100 all day.
I'd definitely get one
The single core 4000+ is the shit still for any program or game written a few weeks, months, or years ago. Definitely can't go wrong with one for gaming, or media apps. If you don't plan on overclocking. At stock speeds, the difference between this one, and the one up there.. is hugely noticable.
The price is great on these things right now too, and again, if overclocked right, can exceed the previous amd flagship cpu, fx-57

If your not overclocking, I think the deciding factor would be whatever is cheapest delivered to you, since you'd be doing a bit of everything with it..


Lemme know if this jumble of shit I just wrote helped you out or not.:drunk:

[Bananajuice77]

Damn this new release really gives your rig a workout, and seems to really favor the advantages of SLI and dual core. Makes my machine look like a wimp! Even though it's juiced up pretty good, I don't run dual cores or SLI:

A64 3700+ San Diego @ 2.8GHz
DfI LanParty UT nF4 Ultra-d
2x1GB GSkill Extreme Series HZ DDR500 @ 255MHz 3-4-4-8 1T
Leadtek Geforce 7800gt @ 460/1100

3DMark 06 score: 3831 :icon_cry:

Just to compare with the earlier versions that didn't make use of the new bells and whistles some have, my scores with this configuration/overclock actually are quite decent:

3DMark 05: 7547
3DMark 03: 16577
AquaMark: 92236

[HowardsYamBag]

When people say that games are faster, you are referring to games compiled for a single thread, and making sure that your system is not doing anything else at the time. And again, when they say it is faster, they are referring to low rez, which most games do not play at.

Finding a gamer that stil runs 1024x768 with no AA is kinda rare. Most people are not running 15" monitors. So "faster" is really only in a small niche of scenerios that most gamers would not run under in the first place.

Also, as you said, one core can be made to run the bulk of the game, leaving the other core for AI.

Also consider that multimedia encoding apps now support dual-core and cut render times almost in half.

And last, keep in mind that these days, people might have multiple apps up and running, and that is where dual-core really shines. Not having to shut down your background apps to keep the game from stuttering is a huge bonus IMHO.

[Etherfiend]

i so don't belong in this thread...

[Deadbent]

Damn this new release really gives your rig a workout, and seems to really favor the advantages of SLI and dual core. Makes my machine look like a wimp! Even though it's juiced up pretty good, I don't run dual cores or SLI:

A64 3700+ San Diego @ 2.8GHz
DfI LanParty UT nF4 Ultra-d
2x1GB GSkill Extreme Series HZ DDR500 @ 255MHz 3-4-4-8 1T
Leadtek Geforce 7800gt @ 460/1100

3DMark 06 score: 3831 :icon_cry:

Just to compare with the earlier versions that didn't make use of the new bells and whistles some have, my scores with this configuration/overclock actually are quite decent:

3DMark 05: 7547
3DMark 03: 16577
AquaMark: 92236

Even that 06 score is decent.

[Bananajuice77]

Even that 06 score is decent.
Now that I've looked around a bit at 3DMarks forums, I found that my score is about right for my setup. It just seemed disappointing at first compared to yours and HowardsYamBag's scores. It is good having something out now as well-known as 3DMark to clearly demonstrate the perfomance power you can gain with the dual-core chips when properly used.

[TimTA95]

2249 here

AMD 64 3400+
2 gigs ram
6800GT

[patbattlefield]

here's mine(nothing overclocked btw):

System and CPU Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP
DirectX Version 9.0c
Mobo Manufacturer
Mobo Model
AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / N/A
CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 2599 MHz
Physical / Logical CPUs 1 / 1
MultiCore 1 Processor Core
HyperThreading Not Available
FSB 200 MHz
Memory 3056 MB

Display Information
Graphics Chipset ATI RADEON X1800
Driver Name Radeon X1800 CrossFire Edition
Driver Version 6.14.10.6587
Driver Status WHQL - FM Approved
Co-operative adapters Yes
Video Memory 514 MB
Core Clock 594 MHz
Memory Clock 693 MHz

Benchmark Settings
Default Settings Yes
Program Version 3DMark06 Revision 0 Build 2
Resolution 1280x1024
Anti-Aliasing None
Texture Filtering Optimal
Vertex Shader Profile 3_0
Pixel Shader Profile 3_0
Force Full Precision No
Disable Post-processing No
Force Software Vertex Shaders No
Force Software FP Filtering No
Disable HW Shadow Mapping No
Color Mipmaps No
Repeat Count Off
Fixed Framerate Off

Main Test Results
3DMark Score 5688 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 2952 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 3051 Marks
CPU Score 960 Marks

Detailed Test Results

Graphics Tests
1 - Return to Proxycon 23.3 FPS
2 - Firefly Forest 25.9 FPS

CPU Tests
1 - Red Valley 0.302 FPS

HDR Tests
1 - Canyon Flight (SM 3.0) 29.7 FPS
2 - Deep Freeze (SM 3.0) 31.3 FPS

[Deadbent]

I'm interested to see how having those 3 gigs of ram there impact things. Haven't seen much discussion on that around.
Wondering how theres 3 gigs there too! :p
1gb sticks?

[patbattlefield]

I'm interested to see how having those 3 gigs of ram there impact things. Haven't seen much discussion on that around.
Wondering how theres 3 gigs there too! :p
1gb sticks?


2 sticks of 1gb dual channel and 2 sticks of 512mb duel channel

[patbattlefield]

Time to flex my ePenis:

7,873 marks

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=978

i'll be interested to see how it does against the dual core amd setup.

[HowardsYamBag]

i'll be interested to see how it does against the dual core amd setup.

It is a dual-core AMD setup, or are you referring to something else?

[patbattlefield]

It is a dual-core AMD setup, or are you referring to something else?


oh my bad, thats what happens when you post when you get home at 2 in the morning:rolleyes:

looks like i might have to switch out my processor for an x2.

[Screwtape]

3dmark is too commercial. all they want you to do is go out and buy dual card systems

[HowardsYamBag]

Well, dual card systems rock for high rez gaming. Some games like FEAR, you actually need SLI to play at high rez with the eye candy cranked up.

[patbattlefield]

Well, dual card systems rock for high rez gaming. Some games like FEAR, you actually need SLI to play at high rez with the eye candy cranked up.


fear is buggy with crossfire although i haven't tried it with the 6.1 drivers.

[Deadbent]

Father of the r360 core for ATI... ViperJohn http://imageevent.com/marginjohn/viperjohn
made my 7800gtx 256 able to run fear at high res, with almost all bells and whistles, for about 100 bucks.

[HowardsYamBag]

So you can run FEAR at 1600x1200, max details, highest image quality, 4xAA and 16xAniso?

Run the performance analyzer and post your average fps because I am finding this hard to believe. A Single GTX might get 20fps at those settings.

[Farside]

Hey, in case any of you want to feel better about your PC's, my 3dMark06 score is 1506 :yuck2:

[HowardsYamBag]

1506?

Pwnage, for great justice!

[Farside]

Yea, I guess my PC stinks now.
I forget which, but one of the tests ran at 0 (yes zero) frames per second.
edit to add: I think it was the CPU test

[JonBenetRamsey]

ok i'm a douche have have no idea what this is but will it help with the nvidia 7800gt?