FU to anyone who voted for Bush

[WMB]

Here's to all you assholes who voted for this retard with a no spending limit government credit card.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Iraq war cost 1 TRILLION dollars by the end of his presidency.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/ap/politics/mainD8FH9PLG7.shtml

Where does Mr. Bush plan on pulling money from to pay for the war?
Cuts in healthcare; Medicare, Medicade
Raise interest rates for student loans

[angrymissy]

The president also will ask Congress to devote another $2.3 billion to prepare for a bird flu epidemic, congressional aides said.

To line the pockets of Roche, the only pharma company producing Tamiflu.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/

NEW YORK (Fortune) - The prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world.

A more effective approach would be to just tell people to wash their fucking hands. It's the fucking flu for christ's sake.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

[HummerTuesdays]

I agree, AngryMissy! I say stop spending government dollars on preparing for the Bird Flu, which might not be as bad, or mutate, or spread, etc. If people are too weak to fight it off and end up dying, well it sucks to be them, dosen't it???

[Mommadeez4u]

Sir, your anonymous posting is annoying, I'm going to have you prosecuted under Homeland Security laws. Heil Hitler!

[jpc165]

FU for giving me an FU.

[fmeinthea]

The only bush I vote for is the one between some young hot chick's legs!


Although, I do give that other fucker Jeb Bush my one and only praise, he signed the self protection in to law in FL.

[DoughBoy]

Here's to all you assholes who voted for this retard with a no spending limit government credit card.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Iraq war cost 1 TRILLION dollars by the end of his presidency.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/ap/politics/mainD8FH9PLG7.shtml

Where does Mr. Bush plan on pulling money from to pay for the war?
Cuts in healthcare; Medicare, Medicade
Raise interest rates for student loans

I didn't vote for him; but who do you think would have been a better choice?

[mikeybot]

Isn't one of the major planks of the Republican party that they are the party of small government?

Or did that change and I missed it?

[fmeinthea]

I didn't vote for him; but who do you think would have been a better choice?



That's easy

Monica Lewinski

[HockeyHelmet]

Hey, I didn't vote for the fucker, my douchebag lost

[CallmeQtie]

FU for giving me an FU.
my thoughts exactly. I like Bush:icon_eek:

[Ovaherenow]

Yeah...he got us in Iraq.....he's evil....let's pull out now. seriously let's bring everyone home and have a parade down the canyon of heroes...

The Left likes to draw comparisons to Vietnam...let's really do it and pull out, leave the government to our enemies, let whatever towel heads supported us to die as they realize we are running away, and everything will be fine...we shouldn't be over there anyway.

That'll show everyone has serious we are. I got news for you kids, we're going to have soldiers in the middle east FOR THE NEXT 200 HUNDRED years....an aircraft carrier in the gulf and soldiers on the ground....get used to it. Do you think he likes seeing people dying over there? Does any american?

Bush is so bad....a trillion dollars....what a waste...Meanwhile EVERY INCREASE IN SPENDING was approved by congress..(both democrat and the intelligent parties..)

The USA Today had a poll on 9/13/01 that asked "when will we get hit next" and 67% said the next year.

If EVERYTHING BUSH DOES IS BAD....how come we haven't been hit again? Soldiers on a battlefield or moes on the subway going to work...who would you prefer to face an enraged towelhead?

"Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy":rolleyes:

[WMB]

I didn't vote for him; but who do you think would have been a better choice?

I am a Democrat, but do not always vote my party. I do vote for who I think is the better canidate. I feel in both '00 and '04 the Democrats had the better canidate. I'll admit they weren't better by much, but still the better choice in my opinion.

[WMB]

my thoughts exactly. I like Bush:icon_eek:

Thanks for ruinin' any naked fantacy I had about you. :icon_wink :action-sm

[DoughBoy]

I am a Democrat, but do not always vote my party. I do vote for who I think is the better canidate. I feel in both '00 and '04 the Democrats had the better canidate. I'll admit they weren't better by much, but still the better choice in my opinion.

Care to provide examples?

[WMB]

Bush is so bad....a trillion dollars....what a waste...Meanwhile EVERY INCREASE IN SPENDING was approved by congress..(both democrat and the intelligent parties..)

By majority vote. And who has control over congress?

[Bill]

If EVERYTHING BUSH DOES IS BAD....

Who wrote that everything that Bush has done was bad? Bush did one good thing. We went into Afghanistan. That would have happened no matter who was president.

Unfortunately, we then pretty much left Afghanistan. Just 6 months after declaring that Bin Laden was "Wanted Dead or Alive", Bush answering a question about Bin Laden at a press conferences replied "I truly am not that concerned about him" (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html).

Now, 4.5 years after 9/11, both Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri are still on the loose, poking jabs at the retard in the Oval Office while their mere existence encourages more Muslims to thier cause because they interpret the fact that "mighty US" can't kill or capture either one of them as being the "will of Allah".

[WMB]

Care to provide examples?

Nope. I didn't start this thread to begin a pissing match over who should have been the president.

I can regurgitate all of Kerry or Gore platforms' major points as compared to Bush, but we don't know how their plans would have played out. I started this thread after both seeing on the news last night and reading in the paper today how much the war is at today and what cuts the Whitehouse has planned.

I will say this, the current Medicare program, which was one of the well debated points of the past election is as bad as the democrats said it would be. It is confusing and near impossible for most seniors to figure out, which leaves them with outstanding prescription bills.

My example is my mother-in-law just finished her 2 week long plan
Pic-a-thon. She had to look through countless pages filled with plans to see which one would cover ALL of her medication with the least amount of loopholes and penalties.
Ex: One plan covers prescription A,B,C but not D. Another plan covers B,C but not A,D, etc. Some plans cover certain meds with pre authorization on particular meds, while not covering others. She pulled her hair out day after day trying to find which one covers the most AND is accepted at her pharmacy, AND get this selection done before a deadline OR face penalties and excess fees from Medicare.

My mother-in-law is only 55 and has all her marbles, well most of the time, but what about all the 65,75,85 year old people who don't even know what a co pay is. Do you think they are going to be able to decipher though page after page of prescription plans to find who accepts their 25 different medications.

Now again, I can't say Kerry's plan was the saving grace for prescription drug plans, BUT he did acknowledge the current plan was a disaster and wanted to change it.

[Nimrod]

I voted for Kerry. Why? I don't know

[angrymissy]

I voted for Kerry. If our President is going to send us to war, I would hope he had served in the military himself. If it was McCain vs. Kerry, I might have voted McCain.
McCain is one of only three Vietnam veterans serving in the US Senate, the others being fellow Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, and Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I didn't vote for him; but who do you think would have been a better choice?


Hm.. Michael Peroutka, or Badnarik, or how about a better republican back in 2004.. Plenty of them... JD Hayworth, Bill Owens, John Kasich, anybody...Ya know folks there are more than "two" parties. People like to argue over P vs Q or R vs D or L vs M. But there's a whole alphabet out there.

Funny how we supposedly went over to give "freedom and democracy" to the middle east. Afghanistan had their election and in that election there were more than 119 different political parties on the ballot. But we who made it happen get the illusion of choice with one party with two different names.

I sincerely hope Iraq and the empire building nonsense we're doing breaks the budget, then no one gets anything free anymore.

[Coffee Diva]

I voted for Kerry. If our President is going to send us to war, I would hope he had served in the military himself. If it was McCain vs. Kerry, I might have voted McCain.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/09/07/guard-records.jpg

You may not like the circumstances of his service, but GWB served in the military.

[angrymissy]

He didn't fight in a war.

[flyerfan116]

He didn't fight in a war.
he also didn't pretend to throw a purple heart on the white house lawn like some flip flopper who couldn't even commit to his own protest.

[flyerfan116]

Thanks for ruinin' any naked fantacy I had about you. :icon_wink :action-sm
yeah but mine have increased 10 fold :action-sm

[angrymissy]

he also didn't pretend to throw a purple heart on the white house lawn like some flip flopper who couldn't even commit to his own protest.
Are you saying that he didn't deserve that purple heart? At least he served. Kerry's service wasn't even really brought up until the right-wingers decided to try and trash it, since Bush didn't even go to Vietnam. My point is, I respect someone who has fought for our country a lot more than someone who hasn't. I would much rather have a President that has been in a war making decisions on our countries military operations. If it had been McCain instead of Bush, I would have seriously considered voting for McCain, I have tremendous respect for him.

[flyerfan116]

Are you saying that he didn't deserve that purple heart? At least he served. Kerry's service wasn't even really brought up until the right-wingers decided to try and trash it, since Bush didn't even go to Vietnam. My point is, I respect someone who has fought for our country a lot more than someone who hasn't. I would much rather have a President that has been in a war making decisions on our countries military operations. If it had been McCain instead of Bush, I would have seriously considered voting for McCain, I have tremendous respect for him.
i'm saying that during the election it came out that Kerry took part in a demonstration where vietnam vets threw their purple hearts on the white house lawn...kerry 'participated' in this protest but only threw the ribbon not the actual purple heart. my point is i would rather have someone who has convictions and follows through rather than someone who postures, poses and talks the talk but when it comes down to it can't walk the walk.

[angrymissy]

He can do whatever the fuck he wants with that medal, he earned it in 'Nam while Bush was showing up when he felt like to fly some planes in the National Guard, and weaseling himself out of even that minimal service 8 months early.

someone who has convictions and follows through
Would you say that describes Bush???

My original point was, I'd rather have someone who has fought in a war making the decisions on whether or not we go to war. Kerry was the lesser of 2 evils for me last election. I would have seriously considered voting for McCain if he had ran. Remember when they were speculating a Kerry/McCain ticket in '04?

[aubreygirl]

I bought a T-shirt with Bush's mugshot after he was arrested for possession of a controlled dangerous substance.....

GOT COKE

I would rather have a sexual deviant holding office....Is Jimmy running?

[roche]

To line the pockets of Roche, the only pharma company producing Tamiflu.

Hey, keep me out of this. :)

[Arc Lite]

I'm no huge fan of GW Bush, but I NEVER not wanted anyone in the white house than Kerry. I laughed my ass off at all the bedwetters at work whose jaws were dropping and were shocked beyond belief because W got re-elected.

Kerry might have been in nam, but it was a f-ing photo op for him. If anyone deserves a purple heart for a piece of rice in his ass it was Kerry.

[Hudson]

Well,
I am the son of a Vietnam Vet who recieved the Purple Heart, Gold star, Silver Star, and a few other accolades that he refuses to talk about.
Kerry was to Dad a huge traitor to the country for the way he used his purple heart as a shield to hide behind to talk negatively about the war, as he is to my mother.
War, historically speaking, has (with a few exceptions) and is currently a boost to the economy, which from what I recall was good.
People feel a patriotic urge to work longer, harder, and better.
Also many of the things we take for granted would not exist without the military need for it.
But I am a republican and my views are basically regurgitated from those of my history professors at Rutgers, who were predominantly Democratic

[frankjg]

Christ, this argument again.. we fucking WON, get over it.. If your side wanted it bad enough they wouldnt have put up some flaming asshole as a candidate.

There is a reason Bush is president and the GOP has control of both the house and senate, they were voted in by the American people.

Am I annoyed by the fact he is spending a SHITLOAD of money of bullshit domestic programs to appease the left, hell yes Im pissed. But I rather have Bush in there fighting the enemy instead of apologizing to the enemy.

Tell me, what would Kerry have done to get Bin Laden? Nothing, he would have pulled our troops back home and the terrorists would have followed them back here to bomb our offices, trains, planes, and homes.

You might not like it or believe it but it is reality! And reality is someting that the left does not deal with very well. We do not live in a utopian world where every will get along and be peaceful if given a chance. Some pople are evil and want power and control and will stop at nothing to get it (killing us, my family, your family, our friends, moms, dads, brothers, sisters) in the process. Like it or not we have to stand up for ourselves unless you want to end up dead under some demolished building with your family lookng for you.

[Arch Stanton]

You pick this place to throw this out there?

BTW, It took till Hudsons posts to prove me wrong. You did pick the correct place to bring this up.

I thank you Hudson for posting what you did as it may have been not too easy to do. It is also the thread winner and is the exact and true answer to the first post. It's gonna be a while, but history, if not revised, will prove alot of things. Sadly, it will be something else by then that will be getting the big FU.

[angrymissy]

Tell me, what would Kerry have done to get Bin Laden? Nothing, he would have pulled our troops back home and the terrorists would have followed them back here to bomb our offices, trains, planes, and homes.

Bush has done shit to get Bin Laden. But he did get the man who threatened his Daddy. That was more important to him than finding Osama. We should have been focusing on Osama, not Saddam. See Bush's quotes below to see how concerned he is about Osama.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts

[angrymissy]

Kerry was to Dad a huge traitor to the country for the way he used his purple heart as a shield to hide behind to talk negatively about the war, as he is to my mother.
Bush is a traitor to the country, for critizing Kerry's Military Service (albeit it was done by his supporters behind the scenes). Kerry served, Bush didn't. Kerry didn't campaign on his military service, although he had to defend it after the right ran negative ads about it.

Half of my uncles were in Vietnam. They are not behind the Iraqi war. One of them was discussing with me last XMas that he just sees the Iraqi war as causing needless American deaths. One of my uncles is still in the military and has been deployed to the Gulf 3 times now. He is fed up. Luckily, he will be out as of this year.

There are reasons for war. I am not against war in general, I am against the current war and the ridiculous deficit it is putting us in. I think the right move was going into Afghanistan. I think we are now paying for the Iraqi war because Bush wanted Saddam because his father couldn't get him.

And to the get over it, we won, people, can we not have a reasonable debate? I get more WE WON GET OVER IT FUCK THE TOWEL HEADS than cognizant thoughts on this board. Debate is fun.

[Hudson]

Half of my uncles were in Vietnam. They are not behind the Iraqi war. One of them was discussing with me last XMas that he just sees the Iraqi war as causing needless American deaths. One of my uncles is still in the military and has been deployed to the Gulf 3 times now. He is fed up. Luckily, he will be out as of this year.

Well God bless him but the military is his job. He can have his opinion, but his obligation and oath is to do as he is told.
In the words of Tennyson:
The Charge Of The Light Brigade



by Alfred, Lord Tennyson


Memorializing Events in the Battle of Balaclava, October 25, 1854
Written 1854





Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

[NJisSexiest]

Make Love

Not War.


That is my semi-drunk statment for the evening:drunk:

[Buster H]

After reading most of these posts, I cannot begin to tell you how much it frustrates me to think that people believe that we would be better off with Kerry due to his "service." If Kerry was actually better suited for the job as a wartime president, why did the military OVERWHELMINGLY re-elect Bush?

As many other said before, he used his service as a shield to speak negatively about the war.

Yes, he does have the right to do whatever he wants with his medals. As a veteran myself, I feel that what he did with his medals is completely disgraceful and an insult to every person that has ever worn the purple heart.

I'm no war hero, but I did spend time in the Persian Gulf, Bosnia and Haiti. I still have my original medals and I cherish them. All of the members of my family still have their original medals as well. I am honored to have served my country.

I am not a fan of Bush at all, but there is no way in hell I would have wanted Kerry. I'm actually ashamed my state continues to re-elect him and Kennedy to the Senate every time.

[HummerTuesdays]

Debate is fun.

My 2 cents is that you might want to find a political message board. This is the FU forum, not the Wackbag Debate Team forum.

[Buster H]

My 2 cents is that you might want to find a political message board. This is the FU forum, not the Wackbag Debate Team forum.

you mean like here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
Then again, you might not like that since it is all Dems and no debate.

try here:
http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse/index.php

[charlie dick]

I didn't vote for him; but who do you think would have been a better choice?
John McCain.

Yeah, I know, he didn't run... He was trashed in the SC GOP primary in 2000 by Rove and company.

There are also a couple of capable MOR, fiscally conservative Dems out there... Evan Byah of Indiana comes to mind...

Lastly, fwiw, ABB would have done at least as well as Gibbon George himself.

[charlie dick]

You may not like the circumstances of his service, but GWB served in the military.
Debatable...

His connections got him into an elite outfit, he flew some training flights, then tossed it all in the toilet. His devotion to service is questionable.

If you're gonna play up the Gibbon's good points, you better plow more fertile ground, sir.

[angrymissy]

you mean like here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
Then again, you might not like that since it is all Dems and no debate.

No, I like seeing the other sides opinion. I've never said "this is my way and that's it", I asked questions and enjoy seeing how other people percieve the situation. Did you not see earlier in this thread where I started I would have voted for a Republican last election if it came down to McCain or Kerry? I'm not trying to join the fucking debate team, I was hoping for intelligent responses to my points. I enjoy seeing what other people think. It seems like the right are allowed to make their point, but if the left leaners do here, it's not acceptable.

[Turtle]

I voted for Bush twice. So do you have something to say to me.

[Bunny™]

I'm not so much pro-Bush as I was Anti-Kerry.
He'd done jack-squat for Massachusetts.
Just an ugly talking head.
Kerry would've been worse as president...trust me, I am a Massachusetts resident for 28 years and I didn't vote for Kerry! (that was me..I was the guy).
I look around this state and wonder "What has he done for us in 20 some-odd years of service?"

nothing.

[Buster H]

It seems like the right are allowed to make their point, but if the left leaners do here, it's not acceptable.
If that were acutally the case, this thread wouldn't exist. The only time political threads are closed/locked is when they get out of control.

[THE FEZ MAN]

i hate bush im more of a wood floor man

[Glenn Dandy]

These middle eastern asshats were left alone for eons... Problem is with technology they are becoming a serious threat to the world.. Its act now to erradicate these freaks or suffer later...

If you dont understand the war you probably also got beat up in a lot of playgrounds.....

Evil never dies,,, you have to face your fears dead on or they will end your peace loving asses life. Vietnam was a mistake.....Shit happens thois is not a mistake. Dont mistake this for that mess.

In my head i see a few things plainly.

A shrewd dictator is no longer torturing people.
Children are being un brain washed,,, breaking the cycle .
There afraid, very afraid....

Know why? because we lost more people , men , woman , n children in 9/11 than this war in two years. not even counting the statistic that natural deaths occuring in a few hundred thousand people occur. How many evil doers are dead? I dunno but a fuckin lot of em...


Rock on Pres Bush.

[Arch Stanton]

i hate bush im more of a wood floor man
Who isn't

[charlie dick]

.. we fucking WON, get over it..
I'm tryin', but it's hard work... :icon_roll

[charlie dick]

...why did the military OVERWHELMINGLY re-elect Bush?
Because good soldiers don't shit where they eat?

[Capt'n Obvious]

http://hammeroftruth.com/images/articles/461-mission_accomplished.jpg
that my friends is our president!

Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Nice way to never have to take responsibility

[Turtle]

http://hammeroftruth.com/images/articles/461-mission_accomplished.jpgthat my friends is our president!
hail to the chief

[The History Guy]

I am the only one who thinks its funny that some people hate G.W. more than the Terrorist that killed over 3,000 Americans in an unprovoked attack with no warning? By the way a fun fact: He is NOT running in 2008! Go find someone to root for instead of bitching about a guy who isn't running again.:action-sm

[Glenn Dandy]

you are like me in utter disbelief at some peoples views i see. the big picture is the future and our history.. Who cares if a politicial throws his metal and grows his hair..... We have to kill these freaks and change their way of life ... its all about breaking the network of brainwashing... not so dificult.


I like to think the people smart enopugh to finagle their way to the heads of our country might know a lil more than wackbaggers. about world politics.

[patbattlefield]

i've developed a new voting method; if you're an incumbent you lose my vote. these entitled hosebags have forgotten what "public service" means and have gotten way too liberal with my wallet. in pa they promised not to vote a payraise for themselves in the state house and then tried to sneak it in on a midnight vote. i dont care if they are republicans or democrats i'm picking a guy who isn't in office!

[Fendbass22]

The only reason I am glad Bush hasn't been assassinated yet is because Cheney is worse.

[ruckstande]

i've developed a new voting method; if you're an incumbent you lose my vote. these entitled hosebags have forgotten what "public service" means and have gotten way too liberal with my wallet. in pa they promised not to vote a payraise for themselves in the state house and then tried to sneak it in on a midnight vote. i dont care if they are republicans or democrats i'm picking a guy who isn't in office!

Your idea is a popular chant on NJ 101.5. The morning guy Jim Gearhart has been trying to get this going in New Jersey for years. It is called G.R.I.P. Get Rid of Incombent Politicians. Whoever is in office, vote for the other guy. I wish it would work. New Jersey is the most corrupt state in this country. Pay to play is government policy and entirely legal. As for Bush, I like him. Despite the shit he is taking I think the injection of democracy in the middle is is just what that region needs. Look at Japan. And before someone mentions underwear vending machines, I'm talking about their economy.

[WMB]

Your idea is a popular chant on NJ 101.5. The morning guy Jim Gearhart has been trying to get this going in New Jersey for years. It is called G.R.I.P. Get Rid of Incombent Politicians. Whoever is in office, vote for the other guy. I wish it would work. New Jersey is the most corrupt state in this country. Pay to play is government policy and entirely legal. As for Bush, I like him. Despite the shit he is taking I think the injection of democracy in the middle is is just what that region needs. Look at Japan. And before someone mentions underwear vending machines, I'm talking about their economy.

I somewhat agree, but it's kinda a double edged sword. Most politicians will work harder in their first term for the simple reason of a record to fall back on for their re-election. But by their second term, if it's a two term maximum, their lame ducks. They don't care if they look good in the public eye, they're not running for re-election. In my opinion, case and point is President Bush. He has his millions earned in oil investments to retire on, what does he care if he goes out of office with an approval rating being the lowest in US History. On the flip side, if we limit to one term the politicians have no driving reason to work hard.

Of course there's the argument of state reps, governors, etc... who are always looking to work their way up the political totem pole. But this thread isn't about the Governor.

[ruckstande]

I somewhat agree, but it's kinda a double edged sword. Most politicians will work harder in their first term for the simple reason of a record to fall back on for their re-election. But by their second term, if it's a two term maximum, their lame ducks. They don't care if they look good in the public eye, they're not running for re-election. In my opinion, case and point is President Bush. He has his millions earned in oil investments to retire on, what does he care if he goes out of office with an approval rating being the lowest in US History. On the flip side, if we limit to one term the politicians have no driving reason to work hard.

Of course there's the argument of state reps, governors, etc... who are always looking to work their way up the political totem pole. But this thread isn't about the Governor.

The idea though is to get the jackasses out who have been in political office for god knows how long. I'm not only talking about the governor or president, I mean everyone up to.

[Cromwell]

I am the only one who thinks its funny that some people hate G.W. more than the Terrorist that killed over 3,000 Americans in an unprovoked attack with no warning? By the way a fun fact: He is NOT running in 2008! Go find someone to root for instead of bitching about a guy who isn't running again.:action-sm

Thank you, History Guy.

I agree with this.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I treat Bush with the same fashion many treat Howard Stern. I worked my ass off locally campaigning for this guy. I devoted my time and effort and thousands of dollars to this guy. I rallied my friends and got the word out that conservatism is coming back in this country. And all I got from this guy was shit upon, with his spending and his wetbacks and his wiretaps and bullshit explanations and his debt and deficits, and his disregard for national sovereignty, his entering us into trade agreements that sap away American jobs, his disrespect for the Bill of Rights, his stupid nation building which is militarized welfare to shit countries like Iraq where we are subsidizing food, insurance, health costs, sanitation... We even subsidize fucking fuel in Iraq.. We pay our money to subsidize fuel in a nation swimming in oil so they can pay pennies while we pay three bucks a gallon.

While the average republican stands starstruck at this whimpy excuse for a president many like me can see him for what he is.. A pseudo-conservative Jacobin socialist in the mold of Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ....

For this much leftist trash I should have just voted for a democrat.

[WIZZARD]

I did not vote for BUSH.

[abudabit]

Nope. I didn't start this thread to begin a pissing match over who should have been the president.

I can regurgitate all of Kerry or Gore platforms' major points as compared to Bush, but we don't know how their plans would have played out.

Especially since Kerry was absent for half the votes in the Senate. No way could I vote for a shit head who only shows up to work half the time he's scheduled. Bush has poor attendance too, but compared to Kerry he's employee of the month.

[abudabit]

Nice way to never have to take responsibility


Why? Why should someone vote Republican or Democrat if they don't stand for either? That's silly.

I wish more people would vote Libertarian.

[Bill]

Especially since Kerry was absent for half the votes in the Senate. No way could I vote for a shit head who only shows up to work half the time he's scheduled.

Since all Senators have to campaign every 6 years, they have a gentleman's agreement between one another. When one Senator is away campaigning, he will make a deal with another Senator who intends to vote the other way on a vote. Neither one of them will vote, which will have the same effect as if they had both voted.

Usually, they try to do this between two Senators who are both campaigning. But, if it doesn't work out that way, the deal will be made between one Senator that is campainging and one who is still in Washington. Congressmen who are campaigning do the same thing. This methodology doesn't negatively affect any votes in the Senate and doesn't cause any unnecessary travel during campaigns. It is also done when politicians are traveling on business.

This has been going on for years and years. It wasn't until this past Presidential campaign that sombody tried to take something that has been going on in Congress for years and years to make someone look like they were not doing their job.

[The History Guy]

Since all Senators have to campaign every 6 years, they have a gentleman's agreement between one another. When one Senator is away campaigning, he will make a deal with another Senator who intends to vote the other way on a vote. Neither one of them will vote, which will have the same effect as if they had both voted.

Usually, they try to do this between two Senators who are both campaigning. But, if it doesn't work out that way, the deal will be made between one Senator that is campainging and one who is still in Washington. Congressmen who are campaigning do the same thing. This methodology doesn't negatively affect any votes in the Senate and doesn't cause any unnecessary travel during campaigns. It is also done when politicians are traveling on business.


Ok. With the same logic if I worked as a systems administrator for a company I could send out a memo and request that no one use their computers on tuesdays because I need to go out and read up on computer magazines. (For my job of course).

Since no one will be using their computers on tuesday they would avoid downloading viruses and spyware that I would have to fix; so the network would be in the same condition as it would if we were both working.

Except that NOTHING IS GETTING DONE! I didn't hire these SOB's to play little games with each other. Vote! Its your JOB. How can you represent your state if you are sitting in your office while important votes are taking place.
If you can't find time to vote its your fault. Hire a secretary (We'll pay for it I'm sure). As for other "business" they may have they are getting paid plenty well to table it until they do what they were voted in to do.
No excuses for lazy SOB's on either side. Period.

[abudabit]

Since all Senators have to campaign every 6 years, they have a gentleman's agreement between one another. When one Senator is away campaigning, he will make a deal with another Senator who intends to vote the other way on a vote. Neither one of them will vote, which will have the same effect as if they had both voted.

Usually, they try to do this between two Senators who are both campaigning. But, if it doesn't work out that way, the deal will be made between one Senator that is campainging and one who is still in Washington. Congressmen who are campaigning do the same thing. This methodology doesn't negatively affect any votes in the Senate and doesn't cause any unnecessary travel during campaigns. It is also done when politicians are traveling on business.

This has been going on for years and years. It wasn't until this past Presidential campaign that sombody tried to take something that has been going on in Congress for years and years to make someone look like they were not doing their job.

That has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard. They are supposed to be there as representatives. They are supposed to be in there debating and listening to debates and voting, not flying around making money and deals and campaigning.

And many would say that Kerry had such a low attendance record in part because he didn't want to have his name on any controversial decisions. Bush doesn't have that option, so I take him over Kerry.

We really need to pass laws to force them to attend a high percentage of the votes.

[Bill]

Ok. With the same logic if I worked as a systems administrator for a company I could send out a memo and request that no one use their computers on tuesdays because I need to go out and read up on computer magazines. (For my job of course).

Since no one will be using their computers on tuesday they would avoid downloading viruses and spyware that I would have to fix; so the network would be in the same condition as it would if we were both working.

Except that NOTHING IS GETTING DONE! I didn't hire these SOB's to play little games with each other. Vote! Its your JOB. How can you represent your state if you are sitting in your office while important votes are taking place.
If you can't find time to vote its your fault. Hire a secretary (We'll pay for it I'm sure). As for other "business" they may have they are getting paid plenty well to table it until they do what they were voted in to do.
No excuses for lazy SOB's on either side. Period.

That's a lousy analogy because the votes are actually taking place and the outcome of those votes is not being affected based on the attendance of people who can't make the vote. A more appropriate analogy would be if you had to go on a business conference and set things up ahead of time so that someone can just press a button should something happen to the network. The network is still up, business is still getting done. Your existence is still important because you were the one who did the work aheaed of time to ensure that nothing is negatively affected by your absence.

[Bill]

They are supposed to be in there debating and listening to debates and voting, not flying around making money and deals and campaigning.


Have you ever watched C-Span when someone in Congress is making a speech? 99% of the time, these speeches and "debates" are taking place in front of an empty room. Staff members take those speeches, condense them to an executive summary and give them to the Senators and Congressmen.

While those speeches are taking place, Senators and Congressmen are typically in committee meetings or doing other business. If they all spent their days sitting listening to speeches, absolutely nothing would get done.

"Trading" votes is a process that allows more work to get done in Congress. Say a committee hearing is taking place. The committee consists of 5 Republicans and 5 Democrats. Before the hearing starts, all of the committee members already know that a vote is going to take place that will interrupt the hearing. In dicsussing their votes with one another prior to the committee hearing, they know that everybody in the committee is voting along party lines, so there will be 5 yea votes and 5 nay votes. It's a normal roll call vote, so a simple majority of people voting needs to occur in order fo the vote to pass. There is no requirement for a specific number of yea votes (as would exist in order to end a filibuster).

Doesn't it make more sense for those 10 committee members to skip the vote so they don't have to stop the committee hearing for an hour or two? The vote takes place, it passes or fails by the exact same margin as if the halted the committee hearing and the hearing gets completed. Isn't that the way the an efficient organization should work?


Bush doesn't have that option, so I take him over Kerry.


That logic is common. It's a major reason why only 2 sitting Senators have ever been elected President (Harding & Kennedy).

[Buster H]

I wish more people would vote Libertarian.

No one has the guts to "throw away" their vote. Nearly every time there is a Libertarian candidate, I don't vote for them because having a Democrat win is much more frightening in many cases.

I hope that mindset (myself included) will change in the future.

[The History Guy]

That's a lousy analogy because the votes are actually taking place and the outcome of those votes is not being affected based on the attendance of people who can't make the vote. A more appropriate analogy would be if you had to go on a business conference and set things up ahead of time so that someone can just press a button should something happen to the network. The network is still up, business is still getting done. Your existence is still important because you were the one who did the work aheaed of time to ensure that nothing is negatively affected by your absence.

Keep making BS excuses for a bunch of mulit-millionaires who can't "find the time" to do the only thing they were hired for. I don't care if a MA senator was going to vote the opposite way a senator from TX was. If one doesn't vote they are NOT representing the people from their state, regardless of the outcome. Maybe if we forced them to dump these stupid games we could actually get something done in governement. If you can't be there you lose. Using your logic why don't the senators just call each other and state their votes and the only people who would have to show up would be the number of senators in the majority. But wait...we wouldn't know what SIDE the other senators would be on...oops. I guess they will just have to do their JOBS for once.:action-sm

[Buster H]

Just throwing this out there everyone. This thread seems to be heating up a bit. As long as it remains civil, it will not be closed.

[PorchMonkey4Life]

i have a new idea... instead of bashing bush all the time... why dont you tell us what you would do to do things better

[Bill]

Keep making BS excuses for a bunch of mulit-millionaires who can't "find the time" to do the only thing they were hired for.

Then maybe it's time that you write your Congressman and Senators because they all participate in this practice. It happens year 'round every year and increases during election time.

The right answer is to allow absentee, proxy or electronic voting in Congress. It's ridiculous that in today's age that members of Congress have to stop doing actual work in order to personally attend a vote. The physical act of standing up and saying "Yea" or "Nay" is far less important than the other things that the members of Congress are supposed to be doing.

[YourAmishDaddy]

No one has the guts to "throw away" their vote. Nearly every time there is a Libertarian candidate, I don't vote for them because having a Democrat win is much more frightening in many cases.

I hope that mindset (myself included) will change in the future.

Throwing away my vote is continuing to vote for frauds who say one thing and do another.

Voting is not a horse race. It's selecting and supporting people with the closest set of ideals and beliefs as you do.

So that sort of logic is flawed. "The lesser of two evils" You still get evil.

[WMB]

Throwing away my vote is continuing to vote for frauds who say one thing and do another.

Voting is not a horse race. It's selecting and supporting people with the closest set of ideals and beliefs as you do.

So that sort of logic is flawed. "The lesser of two evils" You still get evil.


Exactly! Every politician out there is a liar. They're all going to break promises. I said before I don't always vote Democrat even though I am one. I vote for the person who is going to use the most amount of lube while they're stickin it your ass.:icon_eek:

[WMB]

i have a new idea... instead of bashing bush all the time... why dont you tell us what you would do to do things better

For starters. I wouldn't increase spending on defence so dramatically that it cuts necassary programs for the well being of American Citizens.

I know many of you are going to dissagree with this, but I don't think cuts in our healthcare and education programs should be the price to pay in order to make the world a safer place.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060208/ap_on_go_pr_wh/budget;_ylt=As9H9L..L3BZ6R22ovfFERAGw_IE;_ylu=X3oD MTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

On a side note, this article also makes my point of a politician not being as concerned with pissing people off when they ARE NOT up for re-election:

"I can't believe that there's a will to cut $36 billion out of Medicare," said Sen. Tom Harkin (news, bio, voting record), D-Iowa. "I can't imagine the Republican Party ... is going to allow this to come through this year in an election year."

"We all know who votes in election years," Harkin added, referring to the high voting rate for senior citizens who rely on the health care program for the aged.

[Coffee Diva]

A reduction in the rate of growth != a cut.

[Bill]

A reduction in the rate of growth != a cut.

That depends. Let's say that you got a 5% raise last year and a 5% raise this year. Next year, you get a 4% raise. Is that a 4% increase or a 1% decrease? Most normal working people would look at it as a 4% raise. It's not as much as they got in previous years, but it's still an increase.

Social Security increases are a perfect example where a modification to increases is appropriate. Currently, the increase in Social Security benefits is based on the wage index. That means that the increase in Social Security is equal to the average raise the people who are working got that year.

What would be a more appropriate index for calculating the increase in Social Security would be the cost index. Essentially this measures the rate of inflation.

Typically, the wage index exceeds the cost index. If the cost index were used to calculate the increase in Social Security benefits, the Social Security recipients would have the exact same buying power year after year. As it is today, they are actually getting a raise in buying power every year. That shouldn't be the case.

If they just changed the index used for calculating the benefits and kept the wage index for calcuating the cutoff point for Social Security contributions, they would lengthen the solubility of Social Security for about an additional 30 years.

Now, if we were talking about setting increases to a level lower than the rate of inflation, then I would agree that reducing the rate of growth is a cut.

[patbattlefield]

i have a new idea... instead of bashing bush all the time... why dont you tell us what you would do to do things better
:clap:

[oaswallow]

Political debate is always fun. The enjoyable part is reading what most people post but don’t really understand what it’s really all about.

To the Republicans- Stop with all of this “get over it he won. He was elected by the majority of Americans”, yada yada. Well let’s get back to reality, (History Rewind) and forget the second term election. Yes he won that one. But don’t forget, Americans do not vote the incumbent president out of office during wartime. Never have and probably never will. Now you Republicans need to be honest with yourself and remember W got there the first time by a Supreme Court decision. Remember when a majority of Americans said no, we don’t want you to be our president. But then along came a man name Jeb who said “I guarantee you my brother didn’t lose the State of Florida” and well as they say, the rest is history.

To the Democrats – You need to understand what the brain trust of political parties do when an incumbent is running for re-election. Through polls, surveys etc. they come to a conclusion on whether or not they believe they can win the White House. In 04, it was an easy conclusion. Americans will not vote the sitting president out of office during a war. So the Democrats had to choose the lamb to sacrifice. Do you sacrifice a viable candidate that could win the White House or do you back someone who will never win? To answer that question, just look back at what the republicans did when Clinton ran for a second term. When the republicans realized Clinton couldn’t be beaten, do you really think they thought that Dole could win? Of course not. Dole was ready to retire and he was primed to become the sacrificial lamb.

Kerry was the sacrificial lamb this time around. The democrats were not about to waste political capital on a candidate that could win the next time around. Unfortunately for all of us, that normally acceptable practice backfired on the democrats in this last election. As election day approached, Americans were actually ready to vote against Bush. As Americans started to realize that they were hoodwinked into going to war in Iraq and as they started to realize that the Bush administration had no clue as to what they were doing in Iraq, no clue as to what to do domestically and as it started to become clear that W waffled as much if not more than Kerry, it was too late. Americans were given no choice but to vote for W. When it’s all said and done, most Americans when they put their heads on their pillows at night, just before they drift off to sleep, will honestly admit they do not like Bush.

So Bush is the president. We will honor the office if not the man. We don’t need to continue following blindly just because we are told that “we are safer from terrorism because their hasn’t been another terrorist attack since 9/11” For those that don’t know, that is the number one reason that demographics that would have normally voted democrat voted for Bush in 04 (a.k.a Soccer Moms). We will question and hold the president accountable.

And one question to the blindly following Bush supporters. What will your defense of Bush be if God forbid, we are hit by terrorists again under W’s watch? Isn’t that your last line of defense in defending him?

OK, I just turned off my incoherent ramble on switch. Carry on.

[fmeinthea]

To hell with BUSH!

I Would love to POP is daughters. Think of that treating the president's daughter like an animal.

pull you cock out of the one's ASS and Shove it in the other's mouth!

That would be sweet, get them drunk and piss on them.

[Fendbass22]

I can't wait till the next election. Many Americans who voted for Bush have finally woken up and realized what the republican party is all about and how when you vote for trigger happy rednecks holding the gun of war they will fire when all their rich prick friends make money off dying soldiers.

Anyone but the Republican party will win this time. I just hope the popular vote is so large that the Republicans can't find enough dead voters to make it a Supreme Court decision.

[homercles611]

Right off the bat I have to say I don't agree with Bush and I did not vote for him but I am done complaining with him. Deal with it, we only have 3 more years left, we are still better off than most of the other countries. And let me set a few things straight, if I may.
1) Bush is not a fascist. Fascism wasn't even a terrible idea, it was working out fine until Mussolini sided with Hitler, and that was only because England and France pissed him off
2) Bush is not a Nazi, America is NOT a dictatorship. We voted for Bush didn't we? And the 2000 election thing: I know it's cute to say "Most of America voted for Gore", yeah well that isn't good enough. It's not like the electoral college was created in 1999. It was in the constitution that all those hippies refer to when someone tells them to shut up.
3)The government has secrets, lots of them and we will not know them. Let's keep it that way, don't worry about it. If we don't know, there is a reason we don't. If the government had a really big secret like, that ol' theory that Bush knew about 9/11 and let it happen, then that secret WOULD have been leaked. The government is way too big and dispearsed for that kind of juicy info not to slip out.

So everyone just relax and, although Bush is a terrible president, hey, at least we didn't elect Al Sharpton.

[MONKEY]

Throwing away my vote is continuing to vote for frauds who say one thing and do another.

Voting is not a horse race. It's selecting and supporting people with the closest set of ideals and beliefs as you do.

So that sort of logic is flawed. "The lesser of two evils" You still get evil.
:clap: :clap:Your exactly right

[LesPaul]

come on...did you really want that liberal douchbag in office?

[Motor Head]

Registered as an independent....which mean my candidate of choice will NEVER occupy the Whitehouse. I can still sleep at night knowing that I will never vote for anybody that is a member of the Republican Crime Family, or the DemoMafia.

I define myself politically by the following criteria
1. Elimination of Welfare/Liberal Disability Policies
Why? I work 50 hours per week, and it still pisses me off that there are people that are popping out kids, and getting welfare money, food stamps, cheap or free housing, heat assistance, and free school lunches. Here is an idea, mandatory long term birth control if you want any government help the FIRST time you get pregnant. And NO welfare checks to anyone that refuses to list who the father is. Make a kid, pay support or go to jail. And why is it that my sister....who has never been able to keep a job in her worthless life is now on disability at the age of 50, because she "can't work due to her years of drug abuse". I disowned her. Disabled people are people that are paralyzed from the neck down, or have the IQ of a garden snail. They are handing out disability checks to 18 year old minorities that claim they cant work because of growing up in a bad neighborhood....shell shock type disorder.

2. Flat rate income tax.
Why? Because it's fair, thats why. I'm smack dab in the high end of the middle class....$160k per year, and they tax the fucking shit out of me! I figure almost half of what my wife and I make is going to federal, state and local taxes.

3. Minding your own business!
Why? What is going on in somebodies womb, bedroom, or under the desk in the whitehouse is none of my business. As long as your not fucking kids, or animals....have at it.

4. No religion please.
Why? Organized religion steals the soul, and turns people into sheep. When Bush isn't using FEAR he is using JESUS to sell his programs. Keep your fucking god out of my Kool-Aid. I do believe in God, and I think my god is better then yours, but this is the only time I will mention it.

5. Bomb em!
Why? Because bombing people seems to get thier attention. Reagan bombed Libya, and that crazy fucker ended up watching Three Stooges movies in his bombed out palace for months. Stop with the ground war bullshit, it cost too much in terms of loss of American lives, and money. Bomb first, and if necessary send in the military for seek and destroy missions. The military is only good for two things....breaking things and killing people.

6. American Jobs!
Why? Fuck the third world, and fuck China. Let them get thier own jobs, and setup thier own factories. Don't send them ours!

7. Enforce Immigration Laws.
Why? How in the fuck can you possibly compete for a job that somebody from another country is willing to do for minimum wage. I live in Nebraska, and one thing we have a lot of here is cows. They used to pay $15 per hour back in the 70's for meat cutters, and slaughterhouse workers....oh, and white people and black people had those jobs, and worked very hard. Now they pay $8-10 per hour, and the packing plant claims that nobody wants the jobs.....not at the hourly wage Jose is making, I sure as hell don't.

8. Crime and Punishment.
The death penalty needs to be extended to pedophiles, rapist, and corporate thieves. Touch a kid, death. **** another human being, death. Steal 150 million dollars, death. And as far as drugs go, legalize them. Lose your mind and soul, thats your business. But locking up some guy for possesion is costing me money, and I made it perfectly clear about how I fealt about taxes. So snort it , shoot it, and smoke it. Shit, sell it at Wal-Mart for all I care.

Okay, I'm just a simple white guy. I mind my own business, work hard, and try to keep my family in a middle class way. Fuck with me, my family, my property or my job, and I will probabley end up on the evening news. Go get a job, take care of your family, and stay the fuck off my porch. Thanks.

[oaswallow]

Originally posted by Moterhead

Okay, I'm just a simple white guy. I mind my own business, work hard, and try to keep my family in a middle class way. Fuck with me, my family, my property or my job, and I will probabley end up on the evening news. Go get a job, take care of your family, and stay the fuck off my porch. Thanks.

You sir are a republican.

[Hudson]

Oaswallow: "To the Republicans- Stop with all of this “get over it he won. He was elected by the majority of Americans”, yada yada. Well let’s get back to reality, (History Rewind) and forget the second term election. Yes he won that one. But don’t forget, Americans do not vote the incumbent president out of office during wartime. Never have and probably never will. Now you Republicans need to be honest with yourself and remember W got there the first time by a Supreme Court decision. Remember when a majority of Americans said no, we don’t want you to be our president. But then along came a man name Jeb who said “I guarantee you my brother didn’t lose the State of Florida” and well as they say, the rest is history."

Umm... please don't blame the Majority of the US Voters for the faulty operation of the Florida polling system. If there was truly a problem, why did it not go much further????
Please stop munching on sour grapes and get over the conspiracy theories!

[Motor Head]

Originally posted by Moterhead


You sir are a republican.

Nope, I'm a conservative isolationist, assault rifle and semi-automatic handgun owner, former Catholic, part Irish and part Norwegian....loosely translated: get a fucking job you welfare leech, keep your castles out of my sandbox, I shoot first and have my lawyer answer questions later, keep your hands out of my kids pants, and make sure my Killians Irish Red is so cold it hurts my teeth.

I sir, am just a pissed off white guy who loves his country, but fears his government.

[soiled pj's]

F me I voted for Bush, and I would do it again.

[oaswallow]

Umm... please don't blame the Majority of the US Voters for the faulty operation of the Florida polling system. If there was truly a problem, why did it not go much further????
Please stop munching on sour grapes and get over the conspiracy theories!

I guess the answer to that is there is nothing beyond the Supreme Court. There was no further place for it to go. There is no sour grapes, the Supreme Court decided the current presidency. No conspiracy, it's a matter of public record.

[Towelie]

Yea, Fuck us for voting for Bush...

Kerry or Gore...Much better choices...

[charlie dick]

It's hell when the guy in the Oval Office is the one that sucks the least.

Fuck Rove and Company for pissing all over the good John in the SC GOP primary in '00.

McCain and Rudy in '08... the neocon's worst nightmare.

[Glenn Dandy]

I like bush. ( blanket statement)

[Motor Head]

I like bush. ( blanket statement)

Especially when its a landing strip. (Not a blanket statement)

[hulkster29]

:clap: :clap: Bravo to our government.. we're fighting a war on terror, & now they are planning to give the control of security of our ports to......... the U.A.E.. next ya know Bush will nominate bin Laden for the Supreme Court..

[Sinn Fein]

Yea, Fuck us for voting for Bush...

Kerry or Gore...Much better choices...

They certainly are. :icon_roll

[NoSurviivors]

:clap: :clap: Bravo to our government.. we're fighting a war on terror, & now they are planning to give the control of security of our ports to......... the U.A.E.. next ya know Bush will nominate bin Laden for the Supreme Court.. :clap:

He'll nominate whomever buys him the most booze. fucking drunk can barely make a coherent sentence unless 'Unka Dick' or Rove write him a full script. ya rly, listen to this fucko talk sometime. Anyone who thinks this guy is any kind of leader would vote Corky in to office.

Gore's an idiot for trying to distance himself from one of the most popular presidents in the world... Kerry is bought and sold on a daily basis. fuck him.

This shit wth them selling the ports only proves the fact that they're in it strictly for the money and could care less about American people. If his numbers fall much more, we'll be attacked again and the majority will follow him like sheep just like after 9-11. 9-11 was the trifecta for Bush Co.


PRESIDENTS NEED BLOWJOBS TOO! WHO CARES??

[YourAmishDaddy]

Yea, Fuck us for voting for Bush...

Kerry or Gore...Much better choices...

How about.... Neither?

Tell ya what. Pick one:

Heart disease or cancer, Stalin or Hitler, murder or homicide, David Lee Roth or Scott Ferrall

It's really getting old folks. This "My guy may suck ass, but that other guy... whew... he really sucks more ass"

People are so lacking in confidence they have to qualify their shitty voting not by pointing put the great things about "their guy" but by how much more horrible it would be if the other guy won.

It's pathetic already. And especially sickening after suffering through eight years of Clinton and his fucking asscrack licking sycophants like the Borg, now I have to sit through 8 more years of their dopey and equally unimpressive ignorant first cousins with Bush.

"Well Kerry would have been even worse.... " At this point, tell me how...

When Kerry is just Bush's cousin running interference because the average American can't see past an R or a D. Same bloodline, same college, same friends, same ideals, same lack of any substance, same Skull and Bones.... Bush and Kerry..... Same fucking people.

There's a whole alphabet out there. You guys can argue over your D's and your R's all you want. And you'll continue to get the shitty government you deserve.

[Don West]

How about.... Neither?

Tell ya what. Pick one:

Heart disease or cancer, Stalin or Hitler, murder or homicide, David Lee Roth or Scott Ferrall

It's really getting old folks. This "My guy may suck ass, but that other guy... whew... he really sucks more ass"

People are so lacking in confidence they have to qualify their shitty voting not by pointing put the great things about "their guy" but by how much more horrible it would be if the other guy won.

It's pathetic already. And especially sickening after suffering through eight years of Clinton and his fucking asscrack licking sycophants like the Borg, now I have to sit through 8 more years of their dopey and equally unimpressive ignorant first cousins with Bush.

"Well Kerry would have been even worse.... " At this point, tell me how...

When Kerry is just Bush's cousin running interference because the average American can't see past an R or a D. Same bloodline, same college, same friends, same ideals, same lack of any substance, same Skull and Bones.... Bush and Kerry..... Same fucking people.

There's a whole alphabet out there. You guys can argue over your D's and your R's all you want. And you'll continue to get the shitty government you deserve.
Haven't you seen South Park? Every election is always between some douche and some turd. The only thing to do is to vote for the one of the two that is better for the job in your eyes. Everyone is gonna have negative attributes and you can be sure that supporters of the other side will point them out. With that having been said, I supported Bush during the first election and i supported Bush during the second election and so did over 62 million people who voted. How many times have O&A made fun of how politicians just make adds smearing each other? Unfortunately that's just the nature of politics. On the other hand, all I see every day here in NYC is that Bush is a tyrant and poster saying that Bush should be impeached yet no one appears to present any solutions to the problems in our country other that saying Bush is evil.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Haven't you seen South Park? Every election is always between some douche and some turd. The only thing to do is to vote for the one of the two that is better for the job in your eyes. Everyone is gonna have negative attributes and you can be sure that supporters of the other side will point them out. With that having been said, I supported Bush during the first election and i supported Bush during the second election and so did over 62 million people who voted. How many times have O&A made fun of how politicians just make adds smearing each other? Unfortunately that's just the nature of politics. On the other hand, all I see every day here in NYC is that Bush is a tyrant and poster saying that Bush should be impeached yet no one appears to present any solutions to the problems in our country other that saying Bush is evil.

Yes, but if you're going to tell me that voting for John Gotti to keep Al Capone from getting in office appeals to you I'd say that was asinine. It only reflects in you and other haplessly smitten Bush lovers because I was with you when I was bashing Clinton. Now Bush has come along and carried his torch, much further and has done more damage because the same people who were against Clinton are all to happy to allow Bush to dismantle the Constitution.

My solution is simple. To propose an alternative. To stop voting for the Crips or the Bloods and start putting the country first. Once again, voting is not a horse race. It is an affirmation. It is supporting and furthering a candidate that best represents your ideals. If I were to blindly vote for either moron A to spite moron B who are the same people then what does that say about how little I care for my ideals? That, would be throwing away my vote.

Doesn't it seem a little different to you my approach? If I were as I'm often called a "liberal" my only retort would be "Bush sucks, he's a nazi, he's blah blah blah"

The current crop of republicans are well equipped to deal with the average left wing approach, but are woefully inept at anyone from the right debating them. They have no retort other than calling anyone who disagrees with them in any way "liberals." They know nothing of conservatism.They despise the memory of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater. They are big government statists and are a bigger threat to this republic than any left wing loon because when the republican party goes socialist, as they have, we have no counterbalance.

The true conservative is hated by republicans, but is only tolerated because they need the votes.

The true conservatives to the republican party are like blacks are in the democratic party. "Sit down, and shut the fuck up and vote for us....."

[7cent]

Here's to all you assholes who voted for this retard with a no spending limit government credit card.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Iraq war cost 1 TRILLION dollars by the end of his presidency.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/ap/politics/mainD8FH9PLG7.shtml

Where does Mr. Bush plan on pulling money from to pay for the war?
Cuts in healthcare; Medicare, Medicade
Raise interest rates for student loans


defecit

[fmeinthea]

thumbs up to whoever read through 5 pages of crap.


Politicians are all thieves, they are out to FUCK the common man over.

End of story.

[oaswallow]

:clap: :clap: Bravo to our government.. we're fighting a war on terror, & now they are planning to give the control of security of our ports to......... the U.A.E.. next ya know Bush will nominate bin Laden for the Supreme Court..

This fucking retard standing in cow shit while he bangs Laura doesn't even have the common sense to realize how politically stupid this was. He never thought of the consequences before he hopped in bed with these towel heads.

Do the honorable thing and resign Mr. President.

[westben2002]

i didn't vote.

i talked a lot of shit...but when voting time came around i was busy

[Fendbass22]

FU to people to bring back 4 month old threads....