Need help with my new job

[Garm]

Here is my situation. I am fresh out of college. I started my first fulltime "real" office job 3 weeks ago for a really huge corporation. I have worked in deli's all my life and have never been in a corporate enviornment.

I feel like a fish out of water. I think I am doing ok. But, it seems like the supervisors are being way to nice, and I think whenever they talk to me they're full of double talk, and are testing me in someway.... I am on probation for 6 months, and they can kick my ass out of there at any second during this time. everthing is so fucking new, the corporate jargon bewilders me

I feel lost and scared. WTF can I do?????

[B54]

Maybe you should try an occupational hypnotherapist.

[Razor Roman]

Just go with the flow. Show up on time, do what you're expected to do, and don't piss anyone off. They'll have no reason to can you then.

Once you have a feel for the environment, some friends, and you are so good at your job that they wouldn't want to have to waste time training someone else to do it, you're good to go.

[flyerfan116]

I feel lost and scared. WTF can I do?????
You can act like a man (SLAP) Whats the matta with you?

[Mybigcans]

I agree with RR, just show up ontime, blend in.. Don't do anything stupid to draw negative attention to yourself.. You'll be fine... I worked 1 year in the corporate world and FUCKING HATED IT!!!! good luck..:icon_cool

[Garm]

You can act like a man (SLAP) Whats the matta with you?

K, ill admit that was gay

[Mybigcans]

You can act like a man (SLAP) Whats the matta with you?
omg I can hear that clip over and over in my head .... funny as fuck!! :icon_lol:

[Garm]

Just go with the flow. Show up on time, do what you're expected to do, and don't piss anyone off. They'll have no reason to can you then.

Once you have a feel for the environment, some friends, and you are so good at your job that they wouldn't want to have to waste time training someone else to do it, you're good to go.

Im showing up 30 min early everday...

Just fucking feel so awkward, I wanna just walk out and say fuck this at least 3 times a day.

[TreeFortRichard]

Im showing up 30 min early everday...

Just fucking feel so awkward, I wanna just walk out and say fuck this at least 3 times a day.
There IS a reason why tv shows like The Office and the movie Office Space are so funny....The thing is everyone knows it...Just blend. It is like highschool...you want to fit in, and do well w/out drawing too much attention to yourself yet...NEVER (in my opinion) sell someone out for your own gain...Just cruise. Remember the worst they can do is let you go. Don't fuck off. Don't talk negatively about anyone because you don't know who is friends with who. Always assume you are being watched, even on a company computer...Ironic...anyway...good luck and remember what you are there for...$$$$

[Mybigcans]

Im showing up 30 min early everday...

Just fucking feel so awkward, I wanna just walk out and say fuck this at least 3 times a day.
WELCOME TO CORPORATE AMERICA!!!! :action-sm

[Garm]

There IS a reason why tv shows like The Office and the movie Office Space are so funny....The thing is everyone knows it...Just blend. It is like highschool...you want to fit in, and do well w/out drawing too much attention to yourself yet...NEVER (in my opinion) sell someone out for your own gain...Just cruise. Remember the worst they can do is let you go. Don't fuck off. Don't talk negatively about anyone because you don't know who is friends with who. Always assume you are being watched, even on a company computer...Ironic...anyway...good luck and remember what you are there for...$$$$

I know I am definetly being watched, There is recorded screenshots of my computer, and all my phone calls are recorded

[generoso]

Listen to what everbody just told you in here. Show up on time be clean. And be a good little boy. You fit in we all go thru this at the new job. Just don't kiss ass to much just alittle...

[sued]

There is a corporate backstabbing thing that goes on all the time. Your coworkers will try to catch you doing something wrong to step over you and your bosses won't notice you unless you do something wrong.

Best advise I can offer is keep your head low and don't trust anyone who acts like they really want to help you right away. They will steal your ideas and use them for their own.

The good news is you can learn fast how to handle all this crap pretty quickly.

Don't sleep with ANYONE you work with directly or indirectly.

[Glenn Dandy]

keep your mouth shut and do your job.... Listen to your supervisor and do EXACTLY as he says.

[DJBigFatCock]

So is THATs what goes on in those big buildings in Boston? Ohhhh When I'm not a DJ I'm a construction guy so I have no clue about office work. I say Speak freely, say fuck and cunt allot in your sentences, dress the way you want, play your XM radio loud on O&A to share it with everyone in the room, and enjoy you last days. :)

[Jolie]

Contrary to what everyone else is telling you, employers don't WANT to fire you, so they aren't looking for reasons to do so. Hiring people takes time, money and a lot of effort. Our goal is to do it as infrequently as possible.

You would not have gotten the job if someone (or probably a multitude of someones, if your interview process is anything like ours) didn't think you were qualified for it, so keep that in the back of your mind as you do your job. You are going to feel insecure and lost for awhile - thats what happens, and it especially happens with inexperienced (ie: right out of college) hires. But they KNEW you were out of college when they hired you, so they also know what they are working with. Don't be afraid to ask questions if you don't know something, and have a positive, friendly attitude.

So whats the job?

[Jim McGreedy]

I'm gonna go against the grain. Speak your mind and do what you think is best. The best thing that happens is you get fired and upgrade your position and salary at a new place. That's how my first office job went and 10 years later my salary has more than tripled and people listen to my opinions. Unless of course you want to be the typical corporate lemming.

[Bill]

I completely agree with Jolie. I hate having to hire people. When I do, I want someone who is going to work for me for a long time and be successful. As a manager, if my staff is at their jobs, then my job is very easy. A bosses staff can make the boss look good or they can make the boss look bad. Your boss wants you to succeed because it makes him (or her) look good.

As soon as I read your post, the first thing that I though of was Jolie's last piece of advice. If you don't understand something, ask. I'd much rather spend 10-15 minutes explaining something to someone and be confident that he/she understands completely rather than having to continually check up on them to make sure that they are on the right path.

When I got my first job as a programmer, I was nervous about asking my new boss too many questions. I was afraid that he'd think that I was an idiot. I found someone else to ask questions of. Luckily for me, the guy that I asked those questions of was smart and didn't care anything about office politics. He never steered me wrong. However, when my boss realized what I was doing, he was upset that I wasn't coming to him. In hindsight, he was right. I should have gone to him first.

[Turtle]

I also work for a large corporation, but not in the home office I outside sales. But we have meeting every three months at the home office and you need to be on your toes. Do not put yourself into situations that seem questionable. Do your job, smile, be polite and don;t say/do anything stupid. If you think it might be stupid, it is.

[Garm]

Contrary to what everyone else is telling you, employers don't WANT to fire you, so they aren't looking for reasons to do so. Hiring people takes time, money and a lot of effort. Our goal is to do it as infrequently as possible.

You would not have gotten the job if someone (or probably a multitude of someones, if your interview process is anything like ours) didn't think you were qualified for it, so keep that in the back of your mind as you do your job. You are going to feel insecure and lost for awhile - thats what happens, and it especially happens with inexperienced (ie: right out of college) hires. But they KNEW you were out of college when they hired you, so they also know what they are working with. Don't be afraid to ask questions if you don't know something, and have a positive, friendly attitude.

So whats the job?

WOW, thats exactly what people have told me... The same people who Hired me, cause I went through a lot of shit to get just where I am 3 weeks in to this.. First a test, then a grueling 45 minute interview, which I was put in scenarios that were just fucking incredible, then a physical that I thought would take an hour ended up taking a whole dau, NO shit.. Heart monitor, hearing test, breathing lung capacity..I had to breathe into a tube... refex.. and just by the burse, then I saw a doctor who felt my balls, tried to talk me out of smoking for 30 minutes, then i went to the drug testing guy, who by the way hates to be called a urine tester.. then another building where they took two vials of blood A CHEST X-RAY, and more urine.....

They really have spent alot of money, so Im at the point where Im proud to be here, but still under the microscope cause everyone around me has been here for 30 to 40 years... that is the company average... they laugh at people who have been there for 20 years... I really dont want to fuck this up and wish i had another bullshit job b4 this to get some type of taste office life.. Its so fucking alien to me.

Venting all this shit out here is fucking priceless.. Holy Shit, Im overwhelmed

[Garm]

Wow i say shit on this board I wouldnt tell anyone else... and shit venting all that shit feels fng great... Thanks baggers....(you dildo's)

[Mabe]

Your still real new. After another month talk to your direct boss. Express a lot of what you said here and ask for a review of sorts. Ask them to point out areas that you need work on and areas that you are doing very well in.

[Taso]

Get yourself a nice pair of kneepads, im sure your supervisor will like you lots more then.

[DeltaPin]

Spend half your day downloading internet porn.

[mikeybot]

Write haikus and send them to everyone else in the office.
And don't leave stuff on the copiers.
Do discuss stalking from office to office with an Armalite AR-15.

[Warfarer]

You never learn what you need to know in college to start a new job bud. Every company has a different system of doing things so no school can teach you that directly. Best advice is to just try to learn it as fast as you can. Blend in until you get the hang of everything and by then hopefully they will ask you to learn more (this means they will pay you more and you are becoming less disposable).

All in all, a good attitude will go a long way in the corporate world.

[HockeyHelmet]

What? exactly is it that you do? You do not have to say the company if you don't want, just curious what you do with yourself during the day?

[Mommadeez4u]

Do you work in a cubicle, sir?

[WIZZARD]

Just be your self, and thing's should work out. Good luck on your new job.

[NJisSexiest]

i thank my lucky stars that i never had such a job. And if thing go my way i never will. the music business is wonderful!

[RobeSoup&Tears]

You'll be fine...Razor Roman is right.

I was a bright eyed bushy tailed corp kid at 21.

It's not gonna be the type of place where you'll here 'Hurry the fuck up with that Turkey Swiss Hero" (Now I'm starvin').

Having said that I do know what you mean about feeling like your not being delt with straight up...I too am from the Bronx and rather have a geniune conversation than some fake nicey nice small talk.

You'll be alright...

[BruceKellysJunk]

Here's my piece of advice aside from what everyone else has said:

Do not let any negative feedback bother you too much. Unless of course it is the boss screaming at you for 15 minutes straight because you did something to his daughter or some shit. Look at when you screw up as a chance to improve on your skills and impress those above you. Nobody is going to fire you because you mess something up your first time. It may seem like they are upset that you didnt do your best or something, but they will not hold it against you if you shape up and improve. Ive only been in this real world situation for a year and a half or so, but Ive learned that everyone is willing to forgive you if you are willing to understand and adapt to fix what you have done wrong.

Not sure if that made any sense but what I was trying to say is that you should just relax and understand that this is a learning process and your superiors realize that too. They were once exactly where you are and know that it takes time to adjust. Give it a few months and you wont even realize that you dont get summers off or get to go out drinking on thursday nights.

[Razor Roman]

I guess the moral here is that
a) feeling a little awkward at first is normal
b) they hired you because they wanted you, know you're inexperienced, and dont want to waste time replacing you anytime soon
c) if you just do your job you'll be fine.

Definately give it the ol' college try, and if you don't think working in an office is right for you, you might want to look into non profits or the education field (I work for a college, and every job they do in a regular company, they have somoene doing almost the same thing here... the pay isn't as bad as they say it is, and the benefits are phenomenal) I'll be there 5 years in November, and this year when I got my credit of vacation time, I was happy to see that I went from 12 days to 15 days, plus 3 personal and 15 sick days :-) Plus, retirement is some combination of being at least 55 and 25 years of service. I started at 22, so when I am 55 I'll have 32 years of service, which means nice pension (I hope!) and enough time left to either super enjoy my 'golden years' or to even have another career (probably as a bus driver at Disney World). And I don't have to worry about money too much because I am supporting my wife through what will hopefully be earning her MD. Which means if she's with me, she'll be makign the money, and if she leaves me... COMUNITY PROPERTY BITCH :-)

[EveryoneHasAIDS]

Who cares, nobody keeps their first job out of college anyway. Learn as much as you can and use it at your next job.

[Leslie Anne]

Honey listen-

Just look at this job as your first stepping stone to bigger and better things. Noone comes out a' the shoot being numero uno, perfecto. Just remember that you're dealing with the same kind of people as you dealt with in the deli, just with suits on. Network, network, network! Get to know people! Stick to your tasks and don't get involved with office drama. You find that out soon enough... Also.... don't date people from work...if you do...make sure they're not in your department. Fishing off the company pier is risky business for new people that are still a little green. Good lucky honey!

By the way..... brown belt, brown shoes... Remember appearance makes a statement....

[Garm]

Wanna thank everyone for the words of support! You've all made me feel a little less nervous:action-sm


What? exactly is it that you do? You do not have to say the company if you don't want, just curious what you do with yourself during the day?

I set up payment agreements for deadbeats who can't pay their bills for a certain corporation that "IS DEFINATLEY NOT A MONOPOLY":icon_mrgr

[Garm]

I need help once again. My company is big on employees submitting ideas, that benefit the company...they have a complete detailed format on submitting ideas on the intranet....Ive been there since january, but I have 2 ideas, that arent exactly sliced bread, but at least 1 of them , makes just a subtle difference in day 2 day activities, is cheap to impliment...My question, Do big corps just have to do this employee submitting ideas shit, do they reall care... they probably have gotten novel ideas from them, My focus is getting ahead, so have I been there to short a time to submit my idea, will I look to eager, and look like an ass? should I show my boss the idea I want to submit and get his feedback?, Ive only been there for 3 months....please help.

[FAZ8218]

You can act like a man (SLAP) Whats the matta with you?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4354/pdvd000sm9zo.png :action-sm

[7cent]

I need help once again. My company is big on employees submitting ideas, that benefit the company...they have a complete detailed format on submitting ideas on the intranet....Ive been there since january, but I have 2 ideas, that arent exactly sliced bread, but at least 1 of them , makes just a subtle difference in day 2 day activities, is cheap to impliment...My question, Do big corps just have to do this employee submitting ideas shit, do they reall care... they probably have gotten novel ideas from them, My focus is getting ahead, so have I been there to short a time to submit my idea, will I look to eager, and look like an ass? should I show my boss the idea I want to submit and get his feedback?, Ive only been there for 3 months....please help.


Yes they care, you should look at it as an opportunity to contribute and impress the managers. However, remember that since you are so new there's probably a good reason why they have not implemented your idea. Take the opportunity to ask the manager's questions and display your ability to comprehend the issues and contribute. A lot of new kids will be way too aggressive with their ideas because they are trying too hard to stand out.

[abudabit]

Can I offer different advise than the "just blend in and don't stick out" people?

Learn to do your job, learn to excel at it. You are a newb so of course you are going to not be all that great. Don't be afraid to stick out, just don't be wacky about it. Just be normal. It's ok to have a personality. I've worked for large corporations in large offices, I've worked for tiny ones. I definitely am not the fit in type of person. But I still got great recommendations from most of my former employers. I have only been fired once, but that was an extreme example of a psycho boss and I was trying to get fired.

Just don't fuck up too much and don't do the same mistake twice. Doing the same mistake multiple times is what gets you fucked. Sticking out isn't. Most of these posters are either in shitty industries or have bought into the anti-corporate propaganda.

And as far as the corporate lingo goes - good luck there, I was never able to learn that shit. That is just people trying to show off, btw. The reason they use those terms is because they know half the people in the room aren't going to get it - thus making themselves look more knowlegable. It is a ruse. It is the same thing with tech lingo - they use useless acronyms to give greater value to thier jobs. Every industry, even artists, have inside terms to add mystery and pretentious value to thier field. It's a real problem though because it hinders effective communication. Personally if I was upper management I would ban the usage of a lot of corporate lingo.

[abudabit]

I need help once again. My company is big on employees submitting ideas, that benefit the company...they have a complete detailed format on submitting ideas on the intranet....Ive been there since january, but I have 2 ideas, that arent exactly sliced bread, but at least 1 of them , makes just a subtle difference in day 2 day activities, is cheap to impliment...My question, Do big corps just have to do this employee submitting ideas shit, do they reall care... they probably have gotten novel ideas from them, My focus is getting ahead, so have I been there to short a time to submit my idea, will I look to eager, and look like an ass? should I show my boss the idea I want to submit and get his feedback?, Ive only been there for 3 months....please help.

They want you to submit ideas because any good organization has two way communication. Organizations which only have top down communication are unresponsive. Nobody is going to fire you or look down on you for not submitting ideas (probably), but if you do submit them, especially good ones, it is a good thing. There is no way they could improve with out feedback, it is almost essential.

If your idea is bad, they will reject it, and that will be that. No big deal. I make stupid suggestions to my boss a lot and I make good ones too. Some get implemented, some don't. It's just part of being an effective part of the company. I never think twice about the suggestion though, I just spend a few minutes looking into it and suggesting it. If they want more research they'll ask for it.

[Myhairygrundle]

1.NEVER trust management. They are not your friends.

2.Never tell them anything about your personal life.

3. Never fuck anyone or date anyone at work.

4. Be low maintenance, stay below the radar.

5. Do what you're supposed to do, no more no less. If you do more, they will give you more work, if you do less, you will be on the "list."

6. Don't quit one job until you get another.

[abudabit]

1.NEVER trust management. They are not your friends.

2.Never tell them anything about your personal life.

3. Never fuck anyone or date anyone at work.

4. Be low maintenance, stay below the radar.

5. Do what you're supposed to do, no more no less. If you do more, they will give you more work, if you do less, you will be on the "list."

6. Don't quit one job until you get another.

I couldn't agree with 1-3 + 6 more. Especially #2 if you have any side business projects going on, even if they are unrelated to your main job. You would really be surprised how you can get fucked on this, I learned it first hand with a website I had which my boss claimed was now company property. I told him no way and reminded him of how those contracts never hold up in court as long as the side project didn't make use of company resources, but he still pressed me on it. There wasn't anything he could do about it in the end, but it still could have ended ugly.

It's funny because he then tried to trick me into having it hosted on a company server for nearly free as 'amends' for his previous attempts, which was perhaps the most obvious scam I have ever seen.

[Violette]

Errm...well...you can help ME get a job. I graduated like 4 months ago and have had NO LUCK. Grr!

[Bill]

Unless you think that your boss is an ass (and if you think that, think about working elsewhere), I would approach him/her with your idea. I know that when people on my staff have approached me with some ideas, I was either able to tell them why something isn't being done the way that they have suggested, which is better than submitting a suggestion that doesn't generate any feedback when it isn't implemented, or I've told them that I think that it's a good idea that I'll pass along to our vice president for his comments before suggesting that my staff member make that suggestion officially.

Sometimes the VP will be able to tell my why something isn't being done that way and other times he will think that it's a good idea that should be submitted. The fact that he knows about the idea ahead of time allows him to be ready to comment on it should the idea filter back down to him. It also allows the VP to know that my employee is thinking about ways to improve processes even if they don't get implemented for whatever reason.

[Paulie Pockets]

Tons of good advice here. I wish I had all of this advice a couple of jobs ago. I dove into the corporate world after 6 years of pool maintenance (outside all day, my own boss, didn't have to shave if I didn't want to, wore swim trunks and t-shirt every fucking day, shit in people's lawns in emergencies, etc..) and did all the wrong things before I learned how to conduct myself.

[jpc165]

just keep an eye out for the dreaded scope creep!

[Garm]

Wow, I want to thank all of you for some really great advice. I am going to submit my idea, and b4 I do so I will run it by my boss, to give it a "stupidity" check, my boss is not an ass, he's actually a cool guy. My idea by the way isnt a revolutionary idea it just streamelines an already established proccess and save the company time and$..
Thanks again to all of you, this info is priceless

[ROONT]

I set up payment agreements for deadbeats who can't pay their bills for a certain corporation that "IS DEFINATLEY NOT A MONOPOLY":icon_mrgr


...You're that guy...stop calling me motherfucker...:icon_evil

[nolangti]

hang brain. everyone will giggle and comment about how funny the new kid is.

[Garm]

...You're that guy...stop calling me motherfucker...:icon_evil

I dont call anyone!

[snakeeyes]

I set up payment agreements for deadbeats who can't pay their bills for a certain corporation that "IS DEFINATLEY NOT A MONOPOLY":icon_mrgr

Your a Fucking bill collector. Fucking hilarious.

Hey Im one of those "deadbeats". What are you gonna do when you come across someone like me? Someone who just doesnt give a fuck anymore??
Good luck BRO........

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Your a Fucking bill collector. Fucking hilarious.

Hey Im one of those "deadbeats". What are you gonna do when you come across someone like me? Someone who just doesnt give a fuck anymore??
Good luck BRO........

Considering collections only collects from about thirty percent, you are in good company. :icon_mrgr

[7cent]

If your idea is bad, they will reject it, and that will be that. No big deal. I make stupid suggestions to my boss a lot and I make good ones too. Some get implemented, some don't. It's just part of being an effective part of the company. I never think twice about the suggestion though, I just spend a few minutes looking into it and suggesting it. If they want more research they'll ask for it.


great point, the business world is like baseball, your not going to hit 1.000 but if you keep that average around .300 you'll excel.

[Fr. Dougal]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but are any of you guys employment/labor lawyers? Or know of similar situations?

I had been promised a promotion when someone left... I had been doing the bigger job fill-in for 2 years (been at the company for 6 years)... person left... nothing was said to me, and I found out someone who had been there for only a month (and had no exp in the bigger job) was trying to get the promotion. I went into boss and she told me she had no clue I wanted job (which is bullshit, because I had tried to get same job 6 months earlier when it went to yet another person with less exp), and that I needed to "fight" for it, since others were. They let that other person do the job fill-in alongside me. Skip ahead a few weeks, and they've now given the job to that new person. Worst part, is that my boss didn't call me into her office to tell me... didn't email me... didn't even send me a quick note on the computer system we use. I had to find out about it by looking at the schedule.

Five different people came up to me yesterday and gave me the story about something similar happening at another job, and that person got a labor lawyer... who ended up suing and winning her a major amount of money, and forced the giant company she worked for to fire the person who didn't promote her.

I dunno about suing... but I'd really like something to happen. How would I go about filing a complaint? Also... this has basically forced me to realize my time is up at this place. I've got interviews soon with other jobs... I want these places to know that because of the crap I put up with at my current job, I would REALLY be eager and loyal to a new company, since I'd be getting a fresh start. How can I word it nicely? I don't want them thinking I'm only leaving to fuck over my current place.

Oh, by the way... they still have me doing the job fill-in... and several times, I had to do it double-shift, since no one else knows how to do it. I think next week I have to do it again. I want to go in there and say "I'm not good enough to get the promotion, but I'm good enough to be the backup when you guys are fucked? Fuck that, find someone else."

Any baggers have advice? It's much appreciated lil' buddies!

[dog_liverbuster]

other than two of my other jobs, i have been stuck in an office, putting up with office politics, and having to keep my self alive in the "popularity contest" that exists here at my current job. I FUCKING HATE IT HERE!!!!!! but in respect to your situation, just keep cool, fly under the radar, and all should go well. it's gonna take some time for you to figure out the general climate there, and how far you can go with shit. also, another huge piece of advice would be NOT to trust anyone with any personal information. even if someone appears to be a "nice person", it may be a corporate climber in disguise. they will do ANYTHING to make you look bad, and them look good. it's happened to me, and to lots of other people that i know, so just be careful about that.

[Garm]

I have an update for all of you who helped me, Allright check this out, Before I sent in my idea I ran it by my boss, (my idea was a chnang in a computer app we use) my boss says, he thought we already had an app that did that, and to hold on he was going to call the director of that department, He told me yesterday that the app did exist but they striped it down a year ago bacause of certain changes that were going on...and they just never got around to putting it back...this morning a mass email went out detailing the exact changes i proposed ...I dont think my boss was lying cause they couldnt do all that shit in 2 days, and it was kinda cool that my idea wasnt stupid in fact it has already been done like that, but I really wanted to submit my idea dammit!!!!

[Garm]

By the way Im not in collections! Dont call anyone, and dont only deal with deadbeats

[ROONT]

...today my boss allowed me to start using a purple crayon...didn't mean to overshadow your day though...sorry...:icon_conf

[Garm]

...today my boss allowed me to start using a purple crayon...didn't mean to overshadow your day though...sorry...:icon_conf


Well thats fantastic

[snakeeyes]

By the way Im not in collections! Dont call anyone, and dont only deal with deadbeats You say Potato,I say Butato.

[7cent]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but are any of you guys employment/labor lawyers? Or know of similar situations?

I had been promised a promotion when someone left... I had been doing the bigger job fill-in for 2 years (been at the company for 6 years)... person left... nothing was said to me, and I found out someone who had been there for only a month (and had no exp in the bigger job) was trying to get the promotion. I went into boss and she told me she had no clue I wanted job (which is bullshit, because I had tried to get same job 6 months earlier when it went to yet another person with less exp), and that I needed to "fight" for it, since others were. They let that other person do the job fill-in alongside me. Skip ahead a few weeks, and they've now given the job to that new person. Worst part, is that my boss didn't call me into her office to tell me... didn't email me... didn't even send me a quick note on the computer system we use. I had to find out about it by looking at the schedule.

Five different people came up to me yesterday and gave me the story about something similar happening at another job, and that person got a labor lawyer... who ended up suing and winning her a major amount of money, and forced the giant company she worked for to fire the person who didn't promote her.

I dunno about suing... but I'd really like something to happen. How would I go about filing a complaint? Also... this has basically forced me to realize my time is up at this place. I've got interviews soon with other jobs... I want these places to know that because of the crap I put up with at my current job, I would REALLY be eager and loyal to a new company, since I'd be getting a fresh start. How can I word it nicely? I don't want them thinking I'm only leaving to fuck over my current place.

Oh, by the way... they still have me doing the job fill-in... and several times, I had to do it double-shift, since no one else knows how to do it. I think next week I have to do it again. I want to go in there and say "I'm not good enough to get the promotion, but I'm good enough to be the backup when you guys are fucked? Fuck that, find someone else."

Any baggers have advice? It's much appreciated lil' buddies!



I think you should just find a new job. My quick analysis based on your post is that you feel entitled because you've been with the company longer. People that feel entitled because of seniority are a cancer to companies. The person that got the job must have been doing something right, and if they earned it they should have gotten the job..

anyway, that's my two cents..I dispise people that run to lawyers because they feel like a company actually owes them something.

[Bill]

it was kinda cool that my idea wasnt stupid in fact it has already been done like that, but I really wanted to submit my idea dammit!!!!

The fact that your immediate boss knows that you had the idea and made the suggestion is probably better for your career than if you had made the suggestion throught the traditional "suggestion box" methodology. Using the traditional route, it's likely that your boss wouldn't have found out that you made this suggestion.

Your immediate boss is the person who currently has the most to say about your near-term career. He's the one who writes your reviews and makes recommendations to his boss about who gets promoted. He may or may not have a lot to say about how much money you make (other than through the reviews that he writes and the promotions that he recommends).

He's the person that you need to impress on a day to day basis (without being an ass-kisser), not the person who reads the suggestion box.

[Fr. Dougal]

I think you should just find a new job. My quick analysis based on your post is that you feel entitled because you've been with the company longer. People that feel entitled because of seniority are a cancer to companies. The person that got the job must have been doing something right, and if they earned it they should have gotten the job..

anyway, that's my two cents..I dispise people that run to lawyers because they feel like a company actually owes them something.

Thanks for the honest opinion. I wouldn't want to work for any company you'd run, though... if you valued office politics and favortism/ass-kissing above experience and familiarity with the system and recommendations from those who are the face of the company.

And it's "despise."

[7cent]

Thanks for the honest opinion. I wouldn't want to work for any company you'd run, though... if you valued office politics and favortism/ass-kissing above experience and familiarity with the system and recommendations from those who are the face of the company.

And it's "despise."

Well, I don't know where I praised office politics and favoritism. My point is that the best person should get the position not a person that feels entitled because they've been around longer then the other guy. I gave you an honest opinion, your management team made it very clear they were not pleased with what you had been doing. If they were pleased they would not take the chance with an unexperienced person.

In that situation where upper management does not see your potential, I think you need to go out and find a position where you can move forward. It's these types of lawsuits that really sicken me, people are no longer responsible for their actions. It is always someone else's fault they failed.

Feel free to check my grammer, and spin my statements into something that makes you feel better about yourself. :action-sm

[Three Hole Puncher]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but are any of you guys employment/labor lawyers? Or know of similar situations?

I had been promised a promotion when someone left... I had been doing the bigger job fill-in for 2 years (been at the company for 6 years)... person left... nothing was said to me, and I found out someone who had been there for only a month (and had no exp in the bigger job) was trying to get the promotion. I went into boss and she told me she had no clue I wanted job (which is bullshit, because I had tried to get same job 6 months earlier when it went to yet another person with less exp), and that I needed to "fight" for it, since others were. They let that other person do the job fill-in alongside me. Skip ahead a few weeks, and they've now given the job to that new person. Worst part, is that my boss didn't call me into her office to tell me... didn't email me... didn't even send me a quick note on the computer system we use. I had to find out about it by looking at the schedule.

Five different people came up to me yesterday and gave me the story about something similar happening at another job, and that person got a labor lawyer... who ended up suing and winning her a major amount of money, and forced the giant company she worked for to fire the person who didn't promote her.

I dunno about suing... but I'd really like something to happen. How would I go about filing a complaint? Also... this has basically forced me to realize my time is up at this place. I've got interviews soon with other jobs... I want these places to know that because of the crap I put up with at my current job, I would REALLY be eager and loyal to a new company, since I'd be getting a fresh start. How can I word it nicely? I don't want them thinking I'm only leaving to fuck over my current place.

Oh, by the way... they still have me doing the job fill-in... and several times, I had to do it double-shift, since no one else knows how to do it. I think next week I have to do it again. I want to go in there and say "I'm not good enough to get the promotion, but I'm good enough to be the backup when you guys are fucked? Fuck that, find someone else."

Any baggers have advice? It's much appreciated lil' buddies! Uugh... I used to have to listen to my wife ceaselessly harping this same sort of tune.

My wife's a doctor (Ob/Gyn), and she bounced around to a bunch of different private physicians groups for like ten years. Every goddamned day I'd have to hear it... "They're screwing me over. I'm working the longest hours. They're not giving me the productivity bonus they promised. This one's a bitch, that one's an asshole. I'm getting a lawyer. I'm going to sue, yada, yada, fucking yada..."

For ten straight years I listened to this broken record, and I said the same thing every time, "Go solo, open your own practice." Nope... it was easier to take their shit and bitch about, rather than actually shit or get off the pot.

Finally, two years ago, I got sick of hearing it, so I yanked some equity out of our house, bought a commercial building, renovated it myself as medical office space. I forced my wife, practically at gun point, to quit her group practice and drive down the street to her very own practice.

Nearly all of her own patients, and a good 1/4 of the patients of her previous practice followed her, and the first year her practice cleared over $200K, and that was after ALL of the start-up costs were offset. We're just about half way into her second year and it looks like we'll easily clear over half a million dollars this year... probably close to $700K.

I'm planning on quitting my own stupid $70K/year job this summer to concentrate on the new cash cow- the laser hair removal thingy I'll be setting up in her office.

The sweetest plum of all... better than all the $$$ and the fact that I get to quit my day job... I don't have to listen to the fucking office politics bitch sessions anymore. Except from this guy...

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/29261735/198135

[BeerBelly]

Just do a half assed job and when someone gives you shit, run to
human resorces and cry sexual harrassment.
hey, the systems great.

[Fr. Dougal]

It's funny, 7, because I don't feel "entitled." I was actually told by this same boss that I was the best one for the job... and when the last promotion went out, she said the next one would be mine. It's just funny that for some reason, she just changed her mind, and didn't even mention it.

And despite (or dispite? :) ) what you think, I know I'm not wrong on this one. Evidence why? Because 7 people have left in the last 2 months. Every one, during their exit interview, told human resources this boss was the SOLE reason why they were leaving. Now, since they're gone, there's hardly anyone left who knows how to do the job. Weeks ago, 2 managers tried to discourage me from going out on interviews because they said I was so needed... since there was no one else who could handle the job, and who could fill in on the higher job.

Best thing I can do if I want to fuck them over is leave. Which is what I'm doing. But not to fuck them over. I'm doing it because it's better for me. You call it feeling entitled... I say fuck yes. I've put up with enough shit, and it's time I grow a set and leave. I'm sick of people who instantly blame the person who's getting screwed. It's just like the half of this country who blame us for 9/11. Sometimes, people really do get screwed, buddy. No clue what's going on, just like the bosses.

[Garm]

The fact that your immediate boss knows that you had the idea and made the suggestion is probably better for your career than if you had made the suggestion throught the traditional "suggestion box" methodology. Using the traditional route, it's likely that your boss wouldn't have found out that you made this suggestion.

Your immediate boss is the person who currently has the most to say about your near-term career. He's the one who writes your reviews and makes recommendations to his boss about who gets promoted. He may or may not have a lot to say about how much money you make (other than through the reviews that he writes and the promotions that he recommends).

He's the person that you need to impress on a day to day basis (without being an ass-kisser), not the person who reads the suggestion box.

Thats a great point.

[GonzoRadio]

Uugh... I used to have to listen to my wife ceaselessly harping this same sort of tune.

My wife's a doctor (Ob/Gyn), and she bounced around to a bunch of different private physicians groups for like ten years. Every goddamned day I'd have to hear it... "They're screwing me over. I'm working the longest hours. They're not giving me the productivity bonus they promised. This one's a bitch, that one's an asshole. I'm getting a lawyer. I'm going to sue, yada, yada, fucking yada..."

For ten straight years I listened to this broken record, and I said the same thing every time, "Go solo, open your own practice." Nope... it was easier to take their shit and bitch about, rather than actually shit or get off the pot.

Finally, two years ago, I got sick of hearing it, so I yanked some equity out of our house, bought a commercial building, renovated it myself as medical office space. I forced my wife, practically at gun point, to quit her group practice and drive down the street to her very own practice.

Nearly all of her own patients, and a good 1/4 of the patients of her previous practice followed her, and the first year her practice cleared over $200K, and that was after ALL of the start-up costs were offset. We're just about half way into her second year and it looks like we'll easily clear over half a million dollars this year... probably close to $700K.

I'm planning on quitting my own stupid $70K/year job this summer to concentrate on the new cash cow- the laser hair removal thingy I'll be setting up in her office.

The sweetest plum of all... better than all the $$$ and the fact that I get to quit my day job... I don't have to listen to the fucking office politics bitch sessions anymore. Except from this guy...

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/29261735/198135

Congrats to you and your wife.

To add to that...
There aren't many jobs where you'll be completely happy. The problem is you feel that you're entitled to [more $$$, better position, more vacation, etc] while your employer feels that he's entitled to more work from you.

In the end, the only way that you'll ever be happy is to go and start your own business. Of course there's a tradeoff... you're trading in your steady pay check for something that isn't guaranteed (or even established).

For those who can, my advice is to continue with their job and to start a small side business. Learn from your "real" job and use what you learn to boost your side business. If and when it gets big enough for you to quit your job, do it and spend all of your time making your business grow.

I've been doing that for the past year or so. My job has given me lots of insight on how to better my side business, while my side business has given me lots of insight on how to improve at my job. Its a win-win situation. The only draw back is time. If you have a family, it'll probably be tough.

[GonzoRadio]

It's funny, 7, because I don't feel "entitled." I was actually told by this same boss that I was the best one for the job... and when the last promotion went out, she said the next one would be mine. It's just funny that for some reason, she just changed her mind, and didn't even mention it.

And despite (or dispite? :) ) what you think, I know I'm not wrong on this one. Evidence why? Because 7 people have left in the last 2 months. Every one, during their exit interview, told human resources this boss was the SOLE reason why they were leaving. Now, since they're gone, there's hardly anyone left who knows how to do the job. Weeks ago, 2 managers tried to discourage me from going out on interviews because they said I was so needed... since there was no one else who could handle the job, and who could fill in on the higher job.

Best thing I can do if I want to fuck them over is leave. Which is what I'm doing. But not to fuck them over. I'm doing it because it's better for me. You call it feeling entitled... I say fuck yes. I've put up with enough shit, and it's time I grow a set and leave. I'm sick of people who instantly blame the person who's getting screwed. It's just like the half of this country who blame us for 9/11. Sometimes, people really do get screwed, buddy. No clue what's going on, just like the bosses.

Make it blatently obvious that you're for real. If you're as important to them as you say, expect a promotion and salary increase (or at least a match with whoever wants to hire you).

What kind of job do you do now anyway?

Good luck on the job hunt.

[Fr. Dougal]

Make it blatently obvious that you're for real. If you're as important to them as you say, expect a promotion and salary increase (or at least a match with whoever wants to hire you).

Hehe... it's funny, because I opened my paystub this morning and saw I had been given a slight raise... probably as consolation for not getting the job. I've never had to do negotiating, though... Any of you guys have to do it? Let's say I get offered a salary by another place... how would I go about "asking" the current place to match it? And if you're an employer... do you take offense when you offer a salary, and the person says they'll think about it? Do you expect an answer right away?

[GonzoRadio]

Hehe... it's funny, because I opened my paystub this morning and saw I had been given a slight raise... probably as consolation for not getting the job. I've never had to do negotiating, though... Any of you guys have to do it? Let's say I get offered a salary by another place... how would I go about "asking" the current place to match it? And if you're an employer... do you take offense when you offer a salary, and the person says they'll think about it? Do you expect an answer right away?

It won't be as hard as you think, especially since your manager already knows how you feel. Let them know you're looking.

Once you find a better job, tell them about it and tell them that if they want to keep you they need to at least match what they're offering.

They shouldn't be offended. After all, you're not friends, you're looking out for your interests and their looking out for theirs. They should be happy that you're at least letting them match the other guy's salary.

This is not unlike (double negative there :icon_cool) when O&A were offered more money to go to Q104. 102 matched them, and they decided to stay (since they were already comfortable). So in a sense, you have lots in common with the boys (except for the millions of dollars part).

[Jolie]

I might be in the minority, but if I know an employee is looking for a new job, I'm not likely to want to offer them more money to stay. Why? Because if they are looking for a new job, they are obviously unhappy with the one they have. More money may change that, but it only lasts for so long before people realize theres more bothering them than that, and they leave anyway. Then I am out extra money, and still have to hire a new employee.

[GonzoRadio]

I might be in the minority, but if I know an employee is looking for a new job, I'm not likely to want to offer them more money to stay. Why? Because if they are looking for a new job, they are obviously unhappy with the one they have. More money may change that, but it only lasts for so long before people realize theres more bothering them than that, and they leave anyway. Then I am out extra money, and still have to hire a new employee.

Right, but this isn't out of the blue... they know he wants to stay, but they keep "overlooking" him. Some pointed out that he may not be performing the job right. That may or may not be true, but it seems that he's the only one that *knows* how to do the job in any capacity right now. He's in demand right now, and he should leverage that while he can.