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UFDfireman
02-12-2006, 10:32 PM
This was an article printed in a Middletown, NY newspaper.

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/02/12/myspace.html

Strangers in MySpace
As kids flock to social Web site, parents, educators watch for wolves

By Steve Israel
Times Herald-Record
sisrael@th-record.com

MySpace.com is a parent’s nightmare and a sexual predator’s dream.

Chances are your kids – or their friends – are on it, along with people who call themselves “Slut Face,” “Joy Ryder” and “I’m blonde and I’m good at it.”

MySpace is one of the hottest Web sites around. It’s got 54 million members. It’s gaining 150,000 new ones each day. Punch in the zip code for Middletown and you find 3,000 MySpace members within 10 miles.

MySpace lets kids and adults put their lives and fantasies online – and, say educators and sex abuse experts, on the line. They post their pictures. They state their sexual orientation. Then they write to their MySpace “friends” – “friends” like the Orange County guy who posted a picture of a man holding a butcher’s knife over his head, ready to strike. But many of those MySpacers are younger than 12 – even though the Web site says the minimum age is 14.

Millions and millions of kids, teens and young adults say MySpace is great. In this hyper-busy, computerized world, it’s the new schoolyard, the new neighborhood, the new mall – a place where they can talk to old friends and make new ones.

“I’m, like, obsessed with it,” says 13-year-old Kayla Johnston of Kingston. “You feel, like, so special when you get messages.”

But for adults, it’s danger in the making.

“THIS IS THE KIND of place that clearly attracts sexual predators,” says FBI Child Sexual Victims Agent Jim Clemente of Warwick. “It’s such a huge risk.”

In the past few weeks, police have arrested or investigated more than a dozen local and national MySpace members who have sexually abused kids. An Orange County man convicted of sexual abuse was looking for a mate on MySpace, according to investigators. A Sullivan sexual offender posed as a child on a MySpace-type site, one of several sexual abuse cases in Sullivan involving MySpace or similar sites like friendster.com and thefacebook.com.

This is what child psychologist Bill Haas was worried about when he clicked on his daughter’s laptop. He saw a picture of a nearly naked girl, her back to the camera.

“That better not be her,” said Haas, who presents programs for the Pine Bush school system about children and the Internet.

It wasn’t.

But Clemente knows a picture like that – and a site like MySpace – is a seduction for a pedophile.

MySpace allows predators an anonymity that playgrounds and other traditional meeting places for kids never did, says Clemente. He knows that one of every five kids online is propositioned. This is why Clemente asked his sister to remove his niece and nephew from the site. This is why Haas calls the site “scary stuff.”

“They (kids) don’t realize they’re playing with fire,” says Darryl Imperati, principal of Valley Central High School, one of several local schools that have urged adults and kids to be careful about MySpace.

He warned parents about the dangers of the site in the school newsletter after a bunch of kids ganged up on a boy online. Before sites like MySpace, bullying was mostly about one or a few kids picking on another. Now, with almost everyone in a school on the free Web site, a few hundred kids can pick on one child.

CHILDREN LIKE HAAS’ 13-year-old daughter Alyson have been warned about MySpace, which gets more visits than Google. They say they’re careful. They say they use it just to talk to their friends – or publicize their bands. In fact, she won’t put any personal information, like where she lives, on her space. She won’t open a message from a stranger – even though strangers have messaged her.

But Alyson, whose older sister had that laptop, also knows that everything isn’t what it seems on MySpace. She knows kids have created a phony page for a teacher at school. A Pine Bush High School student knows kids who’ve created phony pages for other kids. And even though MySpace has that 14-year-old age minimum and says it monitors the site for obscenity, it doesn’t take too long to find younger kids – and raunchy stuff.

Just ask 11-year-old Megan Battle of Pine Bush, who has her own page.

“Everyone in my school has MySpace,” she says.

A random browse of the first 15 members in the 10940 zip code reveals a near topless woman and this message: “I’m 5’11, a strawberry blond, and pretty much into anything that doesn’t include animal sacrifice and blood letting. Not that I’m against them but the blond puking in the distance can spoil the mood.”

That’s Joy Ryder, who says she’s a traveling “professional dancer” who uses MySpace to let her “regulars” know where she performs. Her provocative photo attracts kids to her site. She says she ignores them.

But even though many kids say they won’t talk to strangers on MySpace, Haas knows that’s not always true. Sixty-nine percent of 13- and 14-year-olds talk to people they don’t know online. Plus, in the new world of the Internet, the definition of a stranger has changed. Kids often meet other “kids” online. They become friends, not strangers, sharing the same passions over a hot but somewhat obscure band, like Donna the Buffalo, the favorite of Pine Bush High School’s Chris Bodnarczuk – and other fans he’s met online.

PREDATORS WORK TO KNOW and “groom” their prey, sometimes taking as much as up to a year to meet kids, says Clemente. They compliment kids and say they share their likes and dislikes. At some point, they’re no longer strangers.

“The kids think they know them,” says Clemente, who adds that 99 percent of all child sexual abuse victims know their predators.

Then there’s this:

Today’s kids are the first generation to grow up online – where there are more than 52,000 sites containing child pornography. Kids, especially adolescents, are naturally curious, particularly about sex, says Kelly McBride, an ethics expert at the journalism think tank, the Poynter Institute. They always have been. The difference now is this: “Kids are basically using the Internet to grow up,” she says.

So when a child sees a picture of two little kids beneath the words “Crack Whore Training” on MySpace, he or she might be tempted to open the page. When they do, they’ll see that evil-looking guy holding the butcher’s knife. They’ll read a tribute to a man who, the site says, murdered women and ate their hearts. They’ll also see pictures of two midgets having sex.

“This is not your dad’s Playboy,” says McBride.

WHAT’S THE SOLUTION? According to its warning statement, MySpace.com, which didn’t respond to an interview request, may prohibit “nudity, violence or offensive subject matter.” Rupert Murdoch, who just bought the site for $580 million, might have told Newsweek that a third of MySpace workers monitor the site, but if you spend less than five minutes on the site and you can find plenty of nudity, violence and offensive subject matter.

So parents must be vigilant, say experts like Haas and Clemente. You must monitor where your child goes on the Web. If you don’t recognize a name, ask about the stranger. Keep the computer in the open.

But the truth is that parents, especially in a commuting area like ours, can’t always be with their kids. So they will be exposed to some nasty stuff, like that “slut girl,” or that guy with the butcher’s knife.

“And,” says ethics expert McBride, “we, as adults, have to figure out how to deal with that.”

PorchMonkey4Life
02-12-2006, 10:34 PM
shouldn't this go in off topic?

Lambo
02-12-2006, 10:35 PM
just judging by the faces on myspace, i'd say half of them are kid touchers

n8crwlr
02-12-2006, 10:35 PM
This is why I try to keep all friends above 18 yrs of age..... If one sneaks pasy, I always look at the profile and if they are under 18, I reject them. I do not need the bullshit in my life.

Jersey
02-12-2006, 10:36 PM
fuck they're on to me

GreatAmericanZero
02-12-2006, 10:36 PM
This is why I try to keep all friends above 18 yrs of age..... If one sneaks pasy, I always look at the profile and if they are under 18, I reject them. I do not need the bullshit in my life.

i only accept people i know and O&A fans. If i dont know you or i dont see anything on your profile about O&A im not accepting you...i dont think there are too many underage girls listening to O&A (unfortunetley)

Lambo
02-12-2006, 10:39 PM
i only accept people i know and O&A fans
i do the same, i wanna see some o+a related stuff on ur page

Turtle
02-12-2006, 10:51 PM
I'm glad I deleted over 150 friends that I didn't know.

patbattlefield
02-12-2006, 10:53 PM
does anyone actually do the job of parenting anymore?:icon_roll

Bud8Weiser
02-12-2006, 10:57 PM
i only accept people i know and O&A fans. If i dont know you or i dont see anything on your profile about O&A im not accepting you...i dont think there are too many underage girls listening to O&A (unfortunetley)
Thats pretty much what I do. People I know in life. O and A fans and my other forums. Other than that I don't bother. I don't need no crap from anyone. One of my friends tried to be nice to some chick and now he has a stalker. Its just like that Myspace video with they Yeti. She's scary.

hillarythegreat
02-12-2006, 11:06 PM
i only accept people i know and O&A fans. If i dont know you or i dont see anything on your profile about O&A im not accepting you...i dont think there are too many underage girls listening to O&A (unfortunetley)
I was 16 for a few months when O&A came to XM. I know I wasn't the only one.

Oh and my birthday listed on this forum is wrong by about 4 months. When I first signed up here, I only signed up to be able to read so I just enetered anything to sign up. I think I made my first real post a few months after I signed up and I was 17 then which was last summer.

Sinn Fein
02-12-2006, 11:09 PM
My brother and sister are both schoolteachers. There's alot going on. Alot of kids are misrepresenting their ages on there, girls especially are posting pictures of themselves that make them look older.

The news did a piece where they went to a girl's house, school, and where she worked because she had all that info posted on Myspace. She was a teenager but posted she was 21. The look on her parents faces was priceless.

NightStalker3
02-12-2006, 11:11 PM
NEW YORK --The Internet has a rising star whose name isn't Google. Just over 2 years old, MySpace now has 2 1/2 times the traffic of Google Inc., and it quickly eclipsed Friendster as the top social-networking site where users build larger and larger circles of friends.

Probably half the traffic is due to fatties checking their myspace with a hope Dane Cook had replied to them personally.

JonBenetRamsey
02-12-2006, 11:13 PM
does anyone actually do the job of parenting anymore?:icon_roll
nannies?

GreatAmericanZero
02-12-2006, 11:46 PM
I was 16 for a few months when O&A came to XM. I know I wasn't the only one.

Oh and my birthday listed on this forum is wrong by about 4 months. When I first signed up here, I only signed up to be able to read so I just enetered anything to sign up. I think I made my first real post a few months after I signed up and I was 17 then which was last summer.


yeah but the truth is, im not trying to fuck any of the myspace people anyway. if you look at my myspace friends, its a sausagefest anyway....maybe a few girls that i will never fuck here and there...im not worried about anything, im not doing shit wrong

patbattlefield
02-13-2006, 12:05 AM
nannies?

exactly my point

mrsweatpants
02-13-2006, 12:10 AM
here is a kid toucher on myspace www.myspace.com/jimnorton

sd187
02-13-2006, 12:21 AM
does anyone actually do the job of parenting anymore?:icon_roll

EXACTLY!!

Cage
02-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Myspace has been under fire before, it's nothing new, just an article.

patbattlefield
02-13-2006, 12:26 AM
it wouldn't surprise me if dateline starts setting up fake myspace accounts for Internet Predators part 4.

BIV
02-13-2006, 01:54 AM
I take a different route. I know very few of my "Friends" and I'm sure some of them are under 18. I just never message anyone and never reply to messages, unless I know them or them have a reason to be contacting me.

KneeKnee
02-13-2006, 02:45 AM
I love myspace. I don't talk to people whom are questionably young and I don't troll for people to talk to. On the rare occurance someone messages me, and I do not know them already, I make sure they aren't fucking with me.


There is a lot more out there besides sexual predators. How about wives trying to cheat on their husbands?

Yeah, last thing I need is to meet you and have your husband take his frustrations out on my skull. Just not worth it.

zagman76
02-13-2006, 04:41 AM
shouldn't this go in off topic?

( http://www.wackbag.com/images/buttons/report.gif ... just sayin' )

Mystic Pain
02-13-2006, 06:29 AM
All of my myspace friends are real people that I know and hang with in the outside world. If I don't know you I don't accept you. Nothing against the Wackbaggers or any other o-n-a fan but in todays world it is too dangerous to do otherwise. I have o-n-a things on my site but nothing in text form so there is no way to search that way. The only exception to this is the first person that said hello to me. Shit, Tom isn't even my friend

TrybalRage
02-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Please. These 13 year olds 'getting taken advantage of' are the same ones blowing each other in class.

They know exactly what they are doing. You're little girl isn't in danger, she's a fucking hoebag.

PyrettaGirl
02-13-2006, 01:37 PM
What's funny when you think about it, is that all of us "wackbaggers" and "Opie and Anthony" supporters are the people on MySpace that you don't have to worry about because we already came up with our own rules, and how we only will deal with ourselves, etc...And it's always O&A that are under the lens for what they do and what they say, and as a whole, we're more sane than anyone!!!

weakside
02-13-2006, 01:52 PM
I am the first person to say we don't take any personal responsibility in this country. We want the government to fix everything because we are too stupid to fix it ourselves. Being a parent and keeping up on what your kid is up to would certainly take care most of these types of problems.

However, if a underage kid is pretending to be of legal age then I think MySpace could fix this by having the person submit some sort of proof that they are actually 18 years or older. You don't shut the site down, just make it safer.

As for the preditors keep catching those sick fucks and eventually they will realize they can't prey on children.

HummerTuesdays
02-13-2006, 02:23 PM
However, if a underage kid is pretending to be of legal age then I think MySpace could fix this by having the person submit some sort of proof that they are actually 18 years or older. You don't shut the site down, just make it safer.

Why should I have to submit proof of age because some parent CHOOSES to be uninvolved in their kids life? You can't make the site safer...you can only teach people with kids HOW TO BE PARENTS, and teach kids that they aren't immortal, and that bad shit CAN and WILL happen to them.

If you're stupid enough to lie about your age, hook up with some 25+ year old creep, and get molested/*****/killed, then it's your own stupidity. If your parents didn't teach you to be wary of strangers, or they let you go out without meeting your friends/dates, then that's their problem not society's.

I agree with you...I'm sick & tired of people not taking responsibility for their own actions or for their kids.

CallmeQtie
02-13-2006, 02:53 PM
What's wrong with 15 year olds hooking up with 25 year olds anyway?

HummerTuesdays
02-13-2006, 03:00 PM
What's wrong with 15 year olds hooking up with 25 year olds anyway?

Absolutely nothing at all, until 1) the parents decide to press statutory **** charges 2) the guy kidnaps/*****/kills the girl.

BIV
02-14-2006, 03:48 AM
Awe, c'mon. Is it really **** if she doesn't know what's good for her?

weakside
02-14-2006, 10:43 AM
If you're stupid enough to lie about your age, hook up with some 25+ year old creep, and get molested/*****/killed, then it's your own stupidity. If your parents didn't teach you to be wary of strangers, or they let you go out without meeting your friends/dates, then that's their problem not society's.

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Well, not to blow the hotness of this thread but legally all (and realistically most) people under the age of 18 don't always make the best decisions and need to be protected. That's why parents/guardians have legal authority over them we have those pesky statutory **** laws.

Again, I agree that parents can do a lot to fix this but the website could also simply fix it by having you submit proof. That way the government doesn’t have to get involved. Unless you are trolling for minors you have nothing to worry about.

My entire point is this: I don't want the government telling me what I can and can't watch/say/enjoy that is not legally harmful. Trust me, this underage-trolling problem on Myspace is bigger than you think and if Myspace does not do something about it, the government will and once they do it will set bad precedent.

HummerTuesdays
02-14-2006, 10:58 AM
WeakSide, I absolutely disagree. I should not have to hand over proof of age to ANYONE, for ANY free website. If MySpace, AIM, hotmail, etc. began to require proof of age, I'd delete my accounts, and I am sure there are countless others that would agree with me. In this age where identity theft is so prevalent, I'm not about to start handing over my info for some silly networking website.

Just to play the other side, what is adequate proof? A scan of my birth certificate? My drivers license? Yeah, that's good, because no one can forge those documents. I'm 32 years old, do I need Mommy or Daddy to write a note of consent? What if someone is 18, lives in the city, and doesn't need a drivers license?

This problem is NOT MYSPACE'S PROBLEM. It's not their job to make sure the site is used for good and not evil. It's not their job to make sure that people aren't lying about their age. Underage trolling is not illegal. The problem lies SOLELY with the parents for not being parents. End of story.

weakside
02-14-2006, 10:04 PM
Fair enough. I am certainly a fan of my privacy. I just have a feeling Myspace is going to get fucked over on this issue. It is a hot-button issue right now and we live in a fucking PC country. Believe me, I agree with you but our country is funny about 14-year-old girls getting banged by 40 year olds.

Why can't anyone be a parent any more???

weakside
02-14-2006, 10:12 PM
Underage trolling is not illegal.

Um, I just read this again. You did mean pretending to be underage, right? Not the other way around where you think searching out girls who are still reading the "Baby Sitters Club" series, because that certainly is illegal you silly goose.

click
02-14-2006, 11:25 PM
Myspace should be the least of their worries at this point. They've cleaned things up a lot. There was a story in my local paper about a brother and sister that started a site to rival myspace, myyearbook.com. The story was about how they were such great young entepreneurs(sp?) I signed up just to, um see what it was like. I posted no pic but got like 20 messages from 15 year olds with suggestive comments. These chicks really need to be safer. Granted, I said I was 15. Putting pics of your 15 year old ass in a g-string on the internet can only lead to trouble. I'm a total perv and I was still surprised at these girls.

CM Mark
02-14-2006, 11:58 PM
Myspace should be the least of their worries at this point. They've cleaned things up a lot. There was a story in my local paper about a brother and sister that started a site to rival myspace, myyearbook.com. The story was about how they were such great young entepreneurs(sp?) I signed up just to, um see what it was like. I posted no pic but got like 20 messages from 15 year olds with suggestive comments. These chicks really need to be safer. Granted, I said I was 15. Putting pics of your 15 year old ass in a g-string on the internet can only lead to trouble. I'm a total perv and I was still surprised at these girls.
So YOU'RE the one

[dateline guy] What were you thinking you sick fuck?[dateline guy]

abudabit
02-15-2006, 12:02 AM
Maybe they should ban parks, streets, etc. since you could **** underaged people in them.

Fucking stupid. Just because something happens on the internet people freak out. If these dumb cunts were outside bored they would get ***** / killed at a much faster rate than on MySpace or AIM.

And Weakside, requiring a credit card would DESTROY myspace. It would go from being one of the top websites on the planet to virtual non-existance in less than a month.

JonBenetRamsey
02-15-2006, 12:26 AM
I agree with you...I'm sick & tired of people not taking responsibility for their own actions or for their kids.
thank you for saying that. sure i have no kids since i'm only 23 and don't want that shit but i worked in a rich town where nannies take care of the kids and i see a town of sociopaths and **** victims. but it's not hard to take an interest in your kid's life and lay down the law. a good backhand worked when i was a kid, why not now?

rahrah
02-15-2006, 12:35 AM
its only a matter of time before this whole thing crashes down

weakside
02-15-2006, 10:48 AM
Very good points brought up here. I am a big believer in the first amendment. I am a huge fan of O&A, South Park, The Shield, Satellite Radio, HBO, and basically any other show/medium that actually uses language that adults use. I love inappropriate joke because I am an adult and I understand a joke is not reality. I don’t leave my computer or radio and go out to **** and kill. People are fucking stupid.

But one of the other things I love is the Internet and the fact that I am free to look/research what I want without government interference. But this Internet predator thing is a major issue. Our society is too stupid to realize that adults should monitor their kids and I am afraid that they may set bad precedent here and shut down the site. Because many times people have said, “Is it my fault that people are bad parents?” The answer is hell no. But I also say this: They are going to make it our fault. Now I am fucking depressed…

On a side note you are fucking crazy if you are an Internet predator. Prior to teaching little “Gang Bangers” how to read (don’t get me started on neglectful parenting here) I used to be employed within the criminal justice system and I still have some friends in that realm and they are taking this issue fucking serious. They are starting to create entire divisions concerning cyber crimes involving children. They are setting up fake sites, accounts, emails, etc., and apparently it is very successful.

TheICON
02-15-2006, 11:46 AM
13 year olds?! SHIT! I've been missing out on them! Here I was, just adding FRIENDS! Who would do such a thing?!

RadioMercenary
02-15-2006, 01:15 PM
all i can say regarding the article is: WELL DUH!

seriously i dont message anyone who i dont know in real life and only add either the various "celebrities" or people i know

i'm sure i'm the 20th or so person in this thread to say that

OnASouth
02-15-2006, 02:24 PM
Myspace isn't any more dangerous for kids than AIM or AOL or Yahoo messenger or any of those other stupid things. Any kid stupid enough to go meet someone from myspace fucking deserves what they get. I'm sorry, but people need to use their heads.

KillGreys
02-15-2006, 04:37 PM
Donna the Buffalo??? WTF??