2006 Cleveland Indians Thread

[FreeTheCricket]

Well... I know it's only February 15th, but the Tribe's pitchers and catchers report tomorrow, and it's time to start speculating about who might make the roster, who could break out, and who can live up to their potential from last year.

I am still very upset about the Crisp trade. I just don't get it. If Crisp is good enough to start in CF for Boston, then he sure as hell is good enough to start in LF for Cleveland. People keep saying that we got a dynamite 3B prospect in Marte, but everybody thought Brandon Phillips would be the next A-Rod, and what is he doing now? Yes, that's right... NOTHING.

Let's hope this Michaels dude they got from Philly can break out when given a chance to play every day. If not, the Tribe is in trouble, because the White Sox only got better, the Tigers could be for real, and the Twins are always dangerous.

Don't even get me started about replacing Millwood with fucking Paul Byrd. :icon_roll

[Got One?]

as much as i HHHHHHATED the coco trade, because every single person is cleveland loved him, i just hope it works out for hte best. one thing i did like from the trade was not forcing vic behind the plate every single game because we didn't have any other catchers that were worth anything. so it'll be nice to give him a break and let him play 1B sometimes depending on the L or R pitcher. it just sucks that it had to be coco that leaves. i just don't get why we got a 3rd basemen...... we have aaron boone, even though he had a slow start last year, the mid and end of season he was doing really well.

i got my 20 game plan for the weekends, which also includes opening day. sectin 172 row U.... anybody else going to games? i'll have my Where's Chester shirt on as usual.

[Madness]

I don't know what management was thinking this offseason. They were so close to the playoffs but they didn't really do anything to improve the team and it's even worse in a lot of regards. Paul Bryd is a really weak replacement for Kevin Millwood. I don't see why they didn't try and find someone better than Aaron Boone. I originally bashed Jason Michaels but saw he had a .399 OBP last year so I take back what I said about him for now.

[weakside]

Not a fan, but I think your team has a good chance to win 90+ if the pitching comes through.

[Got One?]

and did i hear correctly the other day on espn when they said Einer Diaz is back on the tribe? i believe to AAA Buffalo.... i always liked him, even though his hitting stunk on ice. he was a GRRRRRRREAT catcher behind the plate, there wsa a huge difference after even one year working with Sandy behind the plate. i'd rather see einer behind the plate on days victor plays 1st instead of the other catcher we just got. i think we got him from the Drays. which doesn't sound too good....

[askewcore]

i think we got him from the Drays. which doesn't sound too good....

was it toby hall?

[FreeTheCricket]

i got my 20 game plan for the weekends, which also includes opening day. sectin 172 row U.... anybody else going to games? i'll have my Where's Chester shirt on as usual.

Shit... I think we are gonna be 171, row U. I'll have to look out for ya.

[Got One?]

was it toby hall?

no, i meant i think we got einer from teh d rays.... but i don't remember where our other catcher came from.

[Got One?]

Shit... I think we are gonna be 171, row U. I'll have to look out for ya.


no shit?? which plan did you get? my first game is the sunday of the opening series, and then it's mostly fridays and sundays after that.

edit: and i was wrong about opeing day... i mis-read my schedule, i have the first sunday of the season, not friday (opening day)....

[FreeTheCricket]

no shit?? which plan did you get? my first game is the sunday of the opening series, and then it's mostly fridays and sundays after that.

edit: and i was wrong about opeing day... i mis-read my schedule, i have the first sunday of the season, not friday (opening day)....

Don't actually have the tix yet, but I think it is the Friday/Sunday plan as well. I will let you know when I have them in my hands.

[FreeTheCricket]

From ESPN.com

PHOENIX -- New York Mets closer Billy Wagner and Cleveland pitcher C.C. Sabathia withdrew Wednesday from the U.S. roster for the World Baseball Classic and were replaced by Washington right-hander Gary Majewski and Yankees left-hander Al Leiter.

Leiter becomes the fourth player from the Yankees on the 30-man roster, joining shortstop Derek Jeter, third baseman Alex Rodriguez and center fielder Johnny Damon.

Two other Nationals are on the team: closer Chad Cordero and catcher Brian Schneider.

The roster for the first round, initially announced Feb. 14, has to be finalized by noon ET Wednesday.

Wagner, who signed a $43 million, four-year contract with the Mets during the offseason, said he needed more time to get his arm in shape.

"I just didn't feel like I was ready yet," the left-hander said in Port St. Lucie, Fla. "I want to do what's right for me and my country, and I'm not a very good pitcher in March. I didn't want to hurt the [WBC] team."

"Although I would love to pitch in the inaugural World Baseball Classic and am proud to represent my country, I will not be ready to pitch in a competitive-game environment when play begins on March 7," Sabathia said in a statement released by the Indians.

Thank god! The last thing this team needed was that fatass going out and hurting himself. If they are going to have any chance this year, he needs to be the pitcher he was the second half of last year. I am looking for a 20 win season out of him. He has all the talent to do it, but his weight and his brain have always held him back. Maybe he can fianlly put it all together this year.

[Got One?]

Don't actually have the tix yet, but I think it is the Friday/Sunday plan as well. I will let you know when I have them in my hands.

go to indians.com and you can log in and check on there.



game 1 is today!!! 1:20 vs the astros. thank god i've got xm so i can listen...

[Got One?]

3-1.......not a bad start. 0-3 for the yanks. great start!

[Jim McGreedy]

Spring training records are meaningless, and with the World Baseball Classic going on it will be even odder. The Tribe should be good this year. It all depends on the pitching. Sabathia has to come up with a nice 20 win season. The hitting and defense are solid and despite Coco going bye-bye they should be fine. If Victor Martinez can get off to a good start and Cleveland makes the playoffs he might be the MVP.

[Got One?]

Spring training records are meaningless, and with the World Baseball Classic going on it will be even odder. The Tribe should be good this year. It all depends on the pitching. Sabathia has to come up with a nice 20 win season. The hitting and defense are solid and despite Coco going bye-bye they should be fine. If Victor Martinez can get off to a good start and Cleveland makes the playoffs he might be the MVP.

if vic and boonie can get good starts, then yes it's going to be a hell of a year... aaron boone stunk on ice in the first two months, and then exploded the rest of the season.

[TheBattleVirus]

Drafted my fantasy team and chose both Jhonny Peralta and Ronnie Belliard. I think the Indians will take the division this year over the White Sox.

[OandA_Chris]

tomorrow they will be playing the mets on ESPN.

[FreeTheCricket]

Drafted my fantasy team and chose both Jhonny Peralta and Ronnie Belliard. I think the Indians will take the division this year over the White Sox.

Well.... let's not get carried away. The Tribe was a 93-win team that really didn't do anything to get better, whereas the White Sox were world champs and they got significantly better. The central is going to be a fucking dogfight this year, and I think it's very possible the wild card will come out of it. I say the Tribe needs 95 wins to make the playoffs this year, just like last year. They certainly can do it if all the pieces fall correctly.

[Got One?]

well, off to a good start so far.... i know spring training doesn't mean a whole lot, but it's nice to see the tribe tied for the best record in baseball. the marlins are the other best team, they have a better winning % because they have two less games played (10-3 and 9-2). but i'm sure it's helping out the team confidence to be playing this well. can't wait till opening day!!!!!

[Got One?]

looking really good... 16-9-1. the game a few days ago ended in a tie.

[FreeTheCricket]

Opening day in Cleveland is only 10 days away!! I will be at the game on Saturday April 8th. Can't wait, go Tribe!

[askewcore]

The Indians re-signed Grady Sizemore today. The most guaranteed money in a contract for any player with less than two years of service ever. 6 years 24 million. He's an excellent player, I wonder if Cleveland will actually keep him around for more then 3 or 4 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2388456

[Got One?]

they better. he's a star in the making.

[FreeTheCricket]

The Indians re-signed Grady Sizemore today. The most guaranteed money in a contract for any player with less than two years of service ever. 6 years 24 million. He's an excellent player, I wonder if Cleveland will actually keep him around for more then 3 or 4 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2388456

Mark Shapiro is not John Hart. He won't dump off true talent for some shitty middle reliever (Brian Giles for Ricardo Rincon :arrrh: ). I think Grady, Victor, Peralta, and Hafner will be with the team for at least the next 5 years. Hopefully, they can get at least one World Series out of this core, who I think will end up being better and more remembered than Lofton, Ramirez, Thome, Belle, and Alomar when it's all said and done.

[Got One?]

Hopefully, they can get at least one World Series out of this core, who I think will end up being better and more remembered than Lofton, Ramirez, Thome, Belle, and Alomar when it's all said and done.

more remembered, i don't know... but "as much as" remembered as them.... definately. grady definately fills the gap that lofton left. he's fast as hell, good leadoff hitter getting better thru the season. and fuck he can cover a lot of ground in center.

edit: and hey, john hart may have stunk in cleveland....but look what he did for texas!!!!!................ oh..... wait...... yeah, they STILL stink. good job john.

[GoatAss]

Well, it took two innings and that fatass has injured himself again. The team will anounce his status tomorrow before the game. He's quoted as saying it's not as bad ad his strain last year which sidelined him for 2 weeks. but who knows.

[FreeTheCricket]

Ugh. More of the same. How the fuck could they show up on national TV and play like that, against their rival, the team that essentially knocked them out of the playoffs last year? What the hell? Tubby gets injured, and the rest of the team seemed like they didn't even want to be there.

Hey, fuckers - did you see that nice banner the White Sox unveiled? Wouldn't you like one of your own? Use that jealousy as a motivation to actually play the game right, not just go through the motions. If they keep the shit up that we saw last night all season, this will be an awful year.

But, it is just one game.

[Got One?]

you know what though, i'd much rathr this happen in april than september. as long as it doesn't drag on for a month... look what we did last year starting in may/june... and stunk in april. if we could have had just 2 or 3 more wins in that awful april, the wild card would have been ours. in fact one point the tribe closed to 1 1/2 games of the sox from a 15 game lead... a couple extra wins in those blown games could have been the difference.

great seeing jason michaels make that great catch, and eduardo perez get that two run homer.... nice to see the new guys showed up to play. not sure what everyone else was doing.

[FreeTheCricket]

Nice win yesterday. Good to see everybody contribute. GREAT to see Blake and Boone actually do something. Boone had 9 hits all of last April, and he's got 5 already in 2 games this year. It looks like he is all the way back from that broken leg. He is going to be a key to our offense. If he can keep up production like this, we are going to have a good year. I am hoping for .285, 25 HR, 85 RBI from him.

Westbrook looked like he was in mid-season form. He had the White Sox confused all day. With Sabfatia going down for 3-5 weeks, we need him and Lee to step up and carry the team.

Let's take the rubber match today and start this season off right.

[Got One?]

holy fuck what a game..... 9 1-run games won by the sox last year, nice to see we could pull it out in the 11th.

[Perch1019]

Ugh. More of the same. How the fuck could they show up on national TV and play like that, against their rival, the team that essentially knocked them out of the playoffs last year?


They must have gone to that same place they went to the last week of last seaons when they totally shit the bed.
Good Luck this season. Nice to have you back. Come by the Yanks thread and give us shit any time. :action-sm

[FreeTheCricket]

They must have gone to that same place they went to the last week of last seaons when they totally shit the bed.
Good Luck this season. Nice to have you back. Come by the Yanks thread and give us shit any time. :action-sm

Don't worry. I will. :icon_mrgr

I'll take 2 out of 3 from the ChiSox any day. Plus, they finally broke that stupid one run game curse. Maybe this season will be different. Although, we are only 3 games into it, so I'm not gonna get too excited. Still, it felt good to put those fuckers in their place with all the festivities going on. Maybe they should have focused on baseball and not celebrating.

[Got One?]

going to the game tomorrow......

god i hope it fucking warms up.

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9310/sweep1xi.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Lovin those Twins!

[GoatAss]

yes, it was a good win and an important series

[Got One?]

damn it was a cold fucking game. great game though.

saaaaweeeeeeeep.

[FreeTheCricket]

Yeah.. I was at the game on Saturday. Holy shit that was a cold one. We were in the shade the whole time, and the wind was whipping around the stadium. I felt like I had been skiing by the time we left. Still, it was a fun game. Hafner homered again, and it was nice to see the new guy Johnson pitch really well. Plus, my beer stayed nice and cold.

I know it's only 6 games in, but what a way to start the season. You gotta win in your division to have any chance of reaching the playoffs, and the Tribe is doing just that. They put the smack down on their 2 main rivals, and showed everybody that this isn't going to be like last April, when they were 9-14 (ugh). It's still early, anything can happen, but hopefully this start will at least get more people out to the park, and give the guys some confidence that they can carry all year, just like the White Sox last year.

[sobi]

YEAH! indians suck......

[Got One?]

YEAH! indians suck......

and where are you from, sir? chicago or new york?

look who had one fo the best records in spring training, and who has one of hte best records now.

[blackout-]

6-1 on the season, hafner with 5hr already now. during the game tonight with the back2back 2out homers all i could think of was norton... "Back to Back.... and BELLY to BELLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY" haw.

our offense is owning so far - 7 players batting over 300, hafner is hittin 423

[sobi]

oh just face it. 3rd rate team in a 10th rate city. THEY SUCK!

[Sajix]

Lost 3rd straight, but as long as we come out of april above .500 we'll be golden for the season. We've started poorly the last two seasons in April and May.

[Got One?]

7-4, still at the top. not bad.

[FreeTheCricket]

Hell, I'll take a split with Detroit. The Tigers are no longer a bottom-dweller. They really only have a decent offense (other than Shelton - check him for steroids), but they have a proven manager, and their pitching could be great this year. Everybody talks about the Tribe and the White Sox, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tigers hanging around all season.

8-5 overall and 7-3 in the division... I will take that any day. One more win and they equal their win total from last April.

[Kid Brock]

You guys are not at all concerned that the 6-1 start is now 8-5? Believe me I am rooting for the Tribe since I despise the White Sox, but the stupid Sox are pulling it together right now and are playing the lowly Royals this week.

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

7's. Seein' em pop all the time now. Lets hope those 7's transfer over to our beloved Browns!

[blackout-]

didn't see the game tonight, was rewatching 2nd season of the shield but just saw the highlights, haw. ***** baltimore, 15-1. 20 hits.

[FreeTheCricket]

You guys are not at all concerned that the 6-1 start is now 8-5? Believe me I am rooting for the Tribe since I despise the White Sox, but the stupid Sox are pulling it together right now and are playing the lowly Royals this week.

Not at all. They slipped up against Seattle (bound to happen from time to time), and split with Detroit, which - as I said - is fine with me. There was no way they could keep up the 6-1 pace, and they are not nearly as bad as the 2-4 pace over the last 6. It was just a little "correction". The White Sox, while still good, are not as good as last year. They have offensive flaws, and their pitching is only decent, from what I have seen in the early going. Plus, the Tribe went through utter hell that last week of the season last year, and they have all learned from it. Look at their start this year. Guys are hitting the ball well, pitchers are pitching well, and they are doing all the little things.

Case in point - Casey Blake had 5 (yes 5!) hits ALL LAST YEAR with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. This year, he is already 5 for 7 in just 14 games. Different approach, different results. The White Sox could be looking up at the Tribe all season.

By the way - did the Orioles even know there was a game today? Good god. 15-1? That was a massacre. It could easily have been 20-1. How about this Johnson guy? The brought him in simply to eat up innings, and he is already 2-0 with a 1.83 ERA. Not bad for the 5th starter.

[FreeTheCricket]

Uhhh...

Well.....

I guess it's now the Tribe that didn't get the message that they were playing 2 more games against the Orioles. Jesus... 27 runs in 2 games??? Nice pitching, dickheads. I had this feeling that they would get way overconfident from that 15-1 dusting of Baltimore on Tuesday, and boy did they ever.

At least we get to go beat on KC for 3 games now.

[CWRURoss]

The pitching is absymal this year. Of course, it's not like Elarton has proven to be "the one that got away" based on his last two outings with KC.

[Got One?]

i'm thinking danny graves is gone before the allstar deadline.

[FreeTheCricket]

Don't even get me started about replacing Millwood with fucking Paul Byrd. :icon_roll

Posted by me, first post in this thread, and how true it is. He is a fucking HORRIBLE pitcher. There's a reason nobody wanted him. 2-2 with a 9.15 ERA??? Nice job, asshole. I hope he's off this team soon.


It's still early, anything can happen, but hopefully this start will at least get more people out to the park, and give the guys some confidence that they can carry all year, just like the White Sox last year.

Yeah, anything can happen - like fucking losing 7 of their last ten games. The hitting is still there, but the pitching has gone to shit. I guess Millwood really did mean something to this team.

[Perch1019]

and where are you from, sir? chicago or new york?

look who had one fo the best records in spring training, and who has one of hte best records now.

Did you really just use Spring Training record as a defense?

[ORGAZMOE]

Uhhh...
At least we get to go beat on KC for 3 games now.

Good call. :action-sm

[FreeTheCricket]

Ooof...

HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU LOSE 2 OUT OF 3 TO THE FUCKING ROYALS?? They are quite possibly one of the worst teams in the history of baseball. Not only do you lose to them, but they score their season high in runs in one game, and then in the next, they shut down the major's best scoring offense and hold it to one fucking run. HELLO!?!?! ANYBODY!?!?!

This fucking team better figure out what the hell they are doing with their pitching, and quick. Giving up 49 runs in 6 games, while going 2-4 in those 6, is NOT GOOD!!! Paul Byrd needs to be sent to the minors, because he sucks fat dick, we need to send Carmona back down to figure out that he doesn't have to throw 100 MPH on every pitch, and Westbrook needs to have a shock collar put on him and be shocked every time he doesn't throw inside. Hey, Jake, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU ARE AFRAID TO THROW INSIDE!!! THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOTTEN SHELLED IN YOUR LAST 2 GAMES!!

Don't even get me started on Mrs. Danny Graves. Cut your fucking hair, you vietnamese tranny. There's a reason the Reds dumped his ass - HE SUCKS!!!

[GoatAss]

Schilling vs. Westbrook tonight. I hope they can get their bats working tonight and hope that Westbrook doesn't get shelled by Ortiz and Manny. Those 2 scare me.

[askewcore]

Schilling vs. Westbrook tonight. I hope they can get their bats working tonight and hope that Westbrook doesn't get shelled by Ortiz and Manny. Those 2 scare me.

You know what would be a good idea? Walk Ortiz to pitch to Manny...:icon_roll

[FreeTheCricket]

Yet another sloppy game. From Westbrook pitching like a fag again and not going inside on batters at all, to that afwul 6th inning, to Mota giving up a crushing bomb to Manny, they deserved to lose.

Jake has to learn very quick that he must pitch inside. He lost a ton of confidence from last year, and I can't figure it out. He is good enough to pitch inside, yet he thinks he's not. So, he nibbles on the outside corner and guys just sit on thoe pitches. Or, like last night, they watch them go by and take their walk to first. How he managed to give up 6 walks and 6 hits to that lineup and they only scored 2 runs is beyond me.

Yet another game in which the offense did all they could against a fantastic starting pitcher, and the bullpen blew it. This is gonna be a long season if they don't figure out this bullpen fast.

[Kid Brock]

You guys are not at all concerned that the 6-1 start is now 8-5? Believe me I am rooting for the Tribe since I despise the White Sox, but the stupid Sox are pulling it together right now and are playing the lowly Royals this week.


I asked it when you guys were 8-5 and I will ask it again @ 10-9. No one is concerned that the Sox have won 9 out of 10 when the Tribe treads water?

[FreeTheCricket]

I asked it when you guys were 8-5 and I will ask it again @ 10-9. No one is concerned that the Sox have won 9 out of 10 when the Tribe treads water?

Do you even read before you post? Look at my last 3 or 4.

[Kid Brock]

Uhhh...

Well.....


At least we get to go beat on KC for 3 games now.


Oh I read before I post, I am just wondering about the confidence of a week or so ago like quoted above.

[Kid Brock]

Wakefield just doesn't fool people like he used to and that catcher had a hard f'n time catching him. Good game for you guys. Now if they can just stay close to the White Sox they could be alright later in the summer. It is just last year the Sox ran away early and hid from the rest of the division.

[askewcore]

It is just last year the Sox ran away early and hid from the rest of the division.

You mean they hid from the Indians. The rest of that division belongs in the minor leagues.

[Kid Brock]

You mean they hid from the Indians. The rest of that division belongs in the minor leagues.


Yeo, that is definetly what I meant. It is not very hard to run away from the Royals.

[FreeTheCricket]

Oh I read before I post, I am just wondering about the confidence of a week or so ago like quoted above.

Yer an idiot. Please stay out of this thread until you get a brain. :icon_roll

Ooof...

HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU LOSE 2 OUT OF 3 TO THE FUCKING ROYALS?? They are quite possibly one of the worst teams in the history of baseball. Not only do you lose to them, but they score their season high in runs in one game, and then in the next, they shut down the major's best scoring offense and hold it to one fucking run. HELLO!?!?! ANYBODY!?!?!

This fucking team better figure out what the hell they are doing with their pitching, and quick. Giving up 49 runs in 6 games, while going 2-4 in those 6, is NOT GOOD!!! Paul Byrd needs to be sent to the minors, because he sucks fat dick, we need to send Carmona back down to figure out that he doesn't have to throw 100 MPH on every pitch, and Westbrook needs to have a shock collar put on him and be shocked every time he doesn't throw inside. Hey, Jake, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU ARE AFRAID TO THROW INSIDE!!! THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOTTEN SHELLED IN YOUR LAST 2 GAMES!!

Don't even get me started on Mrs. Danny Graves. Cut your fucking hair, you vietnamese tranny. There's a reason the Reds dumped his ass - HE SUCKS!!!

[Kid Brock]

Yer an idiot. Please stay out of this thread until you get a brain. :icon_roll


Umm, let me think. Since you don't decide who gets to post in what threads, I will consider myself free to stop by here when I feel like it. Don't get mad at me because one day you are on your teams bandwagon and the next you hate them. I suppose now that they have a lead today against the Red Sox you once again think they are World Series contenders.

[sobi]

Just face it...

SECOND RATE TEAM IN A THIRD RATE CITY!

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

Just face it...

SECOND RATE TEAM IN A THIRD RATE CITY!


I hear ya man, Boston got lucky last year. I vote Boston Second rate, third on the city.

[GoatAss]

Boston beatdown last night. holy shit broussard went off. great to see.

[Cybouncer]

I hear ya man, Boston got lucky last year. I vote Boston Second rate, third on the city.

Boston got lucky last year? :icon_roll

How so, by getting their asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs?


The Indians played well in this series, but I would hold off on the shit talk until AFTER the allstar break...

[FreeTheCricket]

I think from now on I'm going to post the exact opposite of what is really happening. I say the Tribe is going great, and they go out and shit the bed for 2 weeks, losing series to the Royals, Mariners, and Orioles. Then, I say they are doing terrible, and they win the series against Boston, and in the process they make Schilling look human, rough up Wakefield, Paul Byrd pitches his heart out, and they beat the hell out of Beckett. What is up with this team?

So... they suck. They can't do anything right. The starting pitching blows and the offense is a joke.

Also, I'm going to ignore stupid people. So, VegasBrock, since you obviously only have 3-4 brain cells in that thick retard head of yours, I will now be ignoring you, as I'm sure everybody else in this thread will be.

[Got One?]

keep in mind... last year's april was a 9-14 month. look where we ended up, i believe 93 wins? that's about 20 wins a month. and down to the last game of the season for the playoffs. pitching is spotty, one day they stink, the next day is great. but we're leading the league with 6.5 runs per game. pitching is the only reason we're 13-11 right now, i'm sure it'll get better as the season goes on.

[ORGAZMOE]

keep in mind... last year's april was a 9-14 month. look where we ended up, i believe 93 wins? that's about 20 wins a month. and down to the last game of the season for the playoffs. pitching is spotty, one day they stink, the next day is great. but we're leading the league with 6.5 runs per game. pitching is the only reason we're 13-11 right now, i'm sure it'll get better as the season goes on.
Also keep in mind that the Jndians were playing off their asses in July and August and won like 29 out of 31 (or whatever it was) games during that time and STILL lost the division by 6 games. It's stupid to think it's a good idea to try that shit again this year, because as good as their offense is, they're just not going to go on that kind of tear again - that was some historic shit that definitely shouldn't be expected again.

It just goes to show, you don't want to dig yourself into a hole too early in the year. I personally think they were a better team last year than this year - at least pitching-wise, so if they find themselves 6-10 games back a month from now, don't look for the same type of run they had last year to keep it close...

Just my opinion.

[FreeTheCricket]

I personally think they were a better team last year than this year - at least pitching-wise

I can agree with that. Much better offense, much worse pitching. Hopefully getting Sabathia back will settle things down.

[Vic Mackey]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Indians fans. Way to boo one of your all-time best players.

Tomorrow's matchup should be pretty good, if Sabbathia is truly back to 100%.

[FreeTheCricket]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Indians fans. Way to boo one of your all-time best players.

Tomorrow's matchup should be pretty good, if Sabbathia is truly back to 100%.

Oh... like you morons won't boo Thomas when he returns to Comiskey. Give me a break. :icon_roll

[ORGAZMOE]

Oh... like you morons won't boo Thomas when he returns to Comiskey. Give me a break. :icon_rollIf Frank gets booed, it'll be an embarrassment. Just like yesterday's "fans" were.

[Cybouncer]

If Frank gets booed, it'll be an embarrassment. Just like yesterday's "fans" were.


As a Boston fan, I was embarrassed at the Booing yesterday.

I don't give a fuck, I'm cheering for him during his first at bat tonight.

Fuck anybody who has a problem with that :action-sm

[FreeTheCricket]

Sorry, but when a guy takes the money and runs, in the process turning his back on the team that either brought him up from the minors or made him a star, then he deserves to be booed by the fans of the team he left behind. I have no loyalty to Thome whatsoever. He was a greedy fuck, and now he is an opposing player on our main rivals. Why the hell should I cheer for that?


In other news...

Nice win today. I'll take a split against those guys any day. Good to see Sabathia pitch well in his first game back. GREAT to see Hafner tee off on that shitdick Buehrle and get a little revenge for that "accidental" face shot last year. Hopefully, this game can start building some momentum going into the West Coast road trip.

[Perch1019]

Im not up on the situation but didnt Thome leave because they didnt want to give him any decent contract because of his injury problems?

[ORGAZMOE]

Sorry, but when a guy takes the money and runs, in the process turning his back on the team that either brought him up from the minors or made him a star, then he deserves to be booed by the fans of the team he left behind. I have no loyalty to Thome whatsoever. He was a greedy fuck, and now he is an opposing player on our main rivals. Why the hell should I cheer for that?He left because the Jndians were making it clear they were entering a rebuilding phase and he thought the Phillies had a better chance to win. He said it about 300 times during the signing. The Phils only offered like $10 more over 5 years than Cleveland offered, so I don't think it was all about the money. Cleveland also strung him along and he waited for them to make a final proposal INCLUDING their 5-year plan for winning before he decided they were going to suck shit for the next few years and took off.

Since then, he's only said good things about the Jndians and their fans and still fucking LIVES in Ohio.

Other than that, yeah, he's a real fuckhead... :rolleyes:

[Vic Mackey]

Oh... like you morons won't boo Thomas when he returns to Comiskey. Give me a break. :icon_roll


I will clap for Thomas when he comes back to Chicago, because I appreciate everything he did for the Sox. He was one of the best hitters I've ever seen, even though he says some of the dummest shit I've ever heard.

As I remember correctly, the Indians had a chance to match whatever Thome was offered and chose not to.

[Vic Mackey]

In other news...

Nice win today. I'll take a split against those guys any day. Good to see Sabathia pitch well in his first game back. GREAT to see Hafner tee off on that shitdick Buehrle and get a little revenge for that "accidental" face shot last year. Hopefully, this game can start building some momentum going into the West Coast road trip.


Tell your thug Belliard to hold on to his bat, Widger will be a nice guy about that, but AJ won't.

[FreeTheCricket]

You guys really are living up to that "Stupid White Sox Fan" stereotype. You know nothing about how the negotiations with Thome went down, so don't try to pretend you do. The fact is, he took the money and ran. He did what every asshole in sports does. They always say it's "about the chance to win", but that is always bullshit, and it's always about the money. I don't support that mindset, and therefore I will boo heartily anytime Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Kevin Millwood, and any other sack of shit who left Cleveland comes back here - just as REd Sox fans have the right to boo for Johnny Damon, or A's fans can boo for Giambi, or any other example. This idea that fans should cheer for a player who left the team for greed is asinine. The only guys I clap for are the ones who were traded.

[FreeTheCricket]

Im not up on the situation but didnt Thome leave because they didnt want to give him any decent contract because of his injury problems?

No... it was WAY more complicated than that. They offered him what would have been the largest contract in Indians history, but it was for 5 years, and he wanted 6. The Phillies offered more $ per year, and a 6th year, and the Tribe (wisely - the Phils sure regretted that deal) said "No way, we won't match it".

[ORGAZMOE]

No... it was WAY more complicated than that. They offered him what would have been the largest contract in Indians history, but it was for 5 years, and he wanted 6. The Phillies offered more $ per year, and a 6th year, and the Tribe (wisely - the Phils sure regretted that deal) said "No way, we won't match it".

From ESPN:

"After getting Cleveland to sweeten its five-year, $60 million offer by adding a sixth-year vesting option late last week, Thome mulled over the teams' offers during a Thanksgiving weekend at his house in Aurora, Ohio."

So he WAS offered the 6th year and STILL turned them down. Obviously when a player says they're leaving for "a better opportunity" and take some ridiculous contract (like AROD), it's usually bullshit - but Cleveland's offer and the Phillies' offer weren't that far from each other, Cricket.

By all accounts, Thome is a good guy and more importantly, a guy who likes to win - so he left a team that was rebuilding for a team that, on paper, looked ready for the playoffs.

It's really easy to say "you're not an Indians fan so you don't know what you're talking about," but this isn't fucking 1908. People can get information anywhere these days. It's incredible! :icon_surp

[FreeTheCricket]

From ESPN:

"After getting Cleveland to sweeten its five-year, $60 million offer by adding a sixth-year vesting option late last week, Thome mulled over the teams' offers during a Thanksgiving weekend at his house in Aurora, Ohio."

So he WAS offered the 6th year and STILL turned them down. Obviously when a player says they're leaving for "a better opportunity" and take some ridiculous contract (like AROD), it's usually bullshit - but Cleveland's offer and the Phillies' offer weren't that far from each other, Cricket.

By all accounts, Thome is a good guy and more importantly, a guy who likes to win - so he left a team that was rebuilding for a team that, on paper, looked ready for the playoffs.

It's really easy to say "you're not an Indians fan so you don't know what you're talking about," but this isn't fucking 1908. People can get information anywhere these days. It's incredible! :icon_surp


It's also amazing how even with all that information, some people don't get basic reading comprehension. You proved my point about the 5 years offered by the Indians. Do you know what a VESTING OPTION is? It means that he was guaranteed 5 years, with an OPTION FOR A 6TH!! Pay attention here, you might learn something. To further the fact that I am right, I took your advice and looked for some information, which I notice that you conveniently ignored, as this came from the same article you quoted, 2 paragraphs up from where you found your info:
"The guarantee is $85 million, which breaks down to $82 million for six years, plus either a $3 million buyout or a vesting $12-million option for the seventh year."

So, let's see - Cleveland offered 5 years, $60 Million guaranteed, with an option for a 6th year. Philly offered 6 years, $82 Million guaranteed, with an option for a 7th year. Hmmmm.... how was I wrong???

Yes, I do know more because I'm a Cleveland fan. I read the papers and watched the news almost every day as that went on, and especially after he left, so I got to hear every single minor detail about the whole thing. Did you? Somehow, I don't think so.

Please stay out of here until you can prove that you are more than just a stupid White Sox fan.

[ORGAZMOE]

It's also amazing how even with all that information, some people don't get basic reading comprehension. You proved my point about the 5 years offered by the Indians. Do you know what a VESTING OPTION is? It means that he was guaranteed 5 years, with an OPTION FOR A 6TH!! Pay attention here, you might learn something. To further the fact that I am right, I took your advice and looked for some information, which I notice that you conveniently ignored, as this came from the same article you quoted, 2 paragraphs up from where you found your info:
"The guarantee is $85 million, which breaks down to $82 million for six years, plus either a $3 million buyout or a vesting $12-million option for the seventh year."

So, let's see - Cleveland offered 5 years, $60 Million guaranteed, with an option for a 6th year. Philly offered 6 years, $82 Million guaranteed, with an option for a 7th year. Hmmmm.... how was I wrong???

Yes, I do know more because I'm a Cleveland fan. I read the papers and watched the news almost every day as that went on, and especially after he left, so I got to hear every single minor detail about the whole thing. Did you? Somehow, I don't think so.

Please stay out of here until you can prove that you are more than just a stupid White Sox fan.That's stupid WORLD CHAMPION White Sox fan to you, lady. :action-sm

Bottom line, Cleveland is a shithole. No one wants to be there that doesn't have to be which is why they all leave. Way it goes, Cricket. I'm sure you'll boo LeBron when he leaves, too.

And yet, somehow Thome has managed to stay living in Ohio and calling it his home in the offseason - praising his old organization and even mentioning returning if he had the chance in the future. Meanwhile "informed" fuckhead Jndians fans like you boo one of the best players ever to wear a clownshit Cleveland uniform. That's OK - as Guillen said, we'll give him a standing O in Chicago.

Shitheads who turn their back on an organization and talk shit about the team and the fans the second they walk out deserve to get booed. This isn't 1925, where players stay with the same team their entire career. Teams decide they don't want to pay or have someone else for the job and players decide they'd rather live/play somewhere else, or have a chance to win, or make more money. That's the business. It's the players who shit on their old team the second they leave who deserve the boos. And as a Sox fan, I know all about that.

[Vic Mackey]

If Thome came back to Cleveland tomorrow you would be sucking his dick and you know it.

[sobi]

the indians are an abomination.

[blackout-]

this team is so weird. we either get our ass kicked or kick the opponets ass.... lose 11-0 to the white sox then win 3 straight vs them. lose 10-3? or something to the angels then win 14-2 today.

hafner with a grand slam, 2 doubles, 6rbis on his birthday - pretty cool

[Steam]

I'm a Yankees fan but have a number of the key Indians in my keeper AL-only league (Hafner, Martinez, Sabathia) so I was excited to watch them today thanks to the Mets/Giants rain delay.

Hafner is my fucking hero. Hafner for Einar Diaz will go down in history as one of the biggest thefts of all time.

[rndystvn]

Can my ANGELS maybe just maybe stop pitching to fucking Hafner. JESUS he kills them

[Steam]

Can my ANGELS maybe just maybe stop pitching to fucking Hafner. JESUS he kills them

He kills pretty much anyone if they pitch to him. The guy fucking walks enough though. He's almost as bad as Giambi. I know that its good for the team but it kills me to look at my boxscore and always see a walk or two in his line. I need power dammit.

[brancle1177]

this team is so weird. we either get our ass kicked or kick the opponets ass.... lose 11-0 to the white sox then win 3 straight vs them. lose 10-3? or something to the angels then win 14-2 today.

hafner with a grand slam, 2 doubles, 6rbis on his birthday - pretty cool

And then we get stomped on Sunday, I think everyone went out for Hafner's B-day ard were all hung over!!

B

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

We WILL be there in the end. We WILL!

[Perch1019]

This thread has been awfully quiet thus far. Guess all you 'fans' from last season are jumping off this sinking ship

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

This thread has been awfully quiet thus far. Guess all you 'fans' from last season are jumping off this sinking ship

Na, sometimes its just hard to watch those games. DAMNIT Wickman, 2 walks in the bottom of the 9th. FUCK MAN!!!

[cleft_pallet]

I'll be at the game at Jacobs on Saturday cheering my Reds on to beat the Indians. Then I will be at the game the next Saturday at GABP in Cincinnati to watch the Reds tear up the Tribe again.

[Got One?]

damn i havent' been here for a while... went to 4 games last week, most of 'em stunk. tuesday, wednesday, friday, sunday. 15-something games out. ok terrific.

[blackout-]

good lord bob wickman is a fat fucking douchebag. the only way we will have any chance of saving this season (or at least playing .500) will be if he has a heart attack and never plays again for the indians.

jesus christ, 4 run lead going into the 9th and he gives up a run then 2 straight walks and then the walk off grandslam. fat balding piece of shit. i have tickets to goto the game on the 3rd but i might just have to show up late to see him blow it and watch the cool fireworks.

DIE WICKY

[brancle1177]

soooooooo, How bout the Cavs draft? Face it, even the front office has given up, 2 vets traded in the last week.

[tar_baby]

http://img317.echo.cx/img317/2179/loubrowntireworld7le.jpg

[grail]

hey try being an Indians fan in the middle of twinkie territory. I am not going to give up on Cleveland. I just hope they pull their head out of their ass and get some more offense and more depth on the pitching. Also The fact that they creamed the yankees last night makes me smile.

[Kid Brock]

http://img317.echo.cx/img317/2179/loubrowntireworld7le.jpg


"Give him the heat rook"

[Zerohour]

This thread has been awfully quiet thus far. Guess all you 'fans' from last season are jumping off this sinking ship


:icon_roll You'll be missing the playoffs too. And its a very young team, so there is no sinking.

[Mooseman]

So how long before Hafner is traded?

[blackout-]

hafner with his 6th grand slam of the year today. ties the alltime record for a single season.

[Kid Brock]

hafner with his 6th grand slam of the year today. ties the alltime record for a single season.


Don't you mean 8th?

[Kid Brock]

Don't you mean 8th?

Well fuck me (no homo) I guess it was his 6th. That's what I get for listening to Fox Sports Radio for my stats. My bad.

[NORTONnFRIENDS]

WOW
......1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 R H E
CLE 1 0 2 3 1 2 0 0 4 2 15 16 1

KC 10 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 13 19 0 F

Holy SHIT what a comeback!!!!!

[blackout-]

didn't get to see it and not even on sportscenter cause of the retarded little league world series. bleh.