MSN Disses the Boys

[Shipwreck]

Well, not to stir the pot, but I was reading MSN's homepage this AM and there is a headline that talks about how the big war on Satellite is between Hoo Hoo and Oprah. Here is the response I fired off. Feel free to reach out and tickle this assholes bag and let him know too.
Mr. Walberg,

It mystifies me why you guys ignore Opie and Anthony. They are a HUGE part of XM. Don’t make the same mistake NBC did years ago by trying to marginalize Howard. They are a force and you cannot ignore them away.
They have many, many more listeners than Howard has. That is an empirical fact. Not to mention they built their audience with no safety net; in other words they did not have a terrestrial radio platform to promote their move to satellite for a year.

While Oprah is a coup to be sure and an indication of the good business practices that will put XM in the driver’s seat in the future, she is not even close to the end all, be all.

Get smart and don’t ostracize the boys or it will be at your own peril. They are 10x more vindictive than Stern ever was and they will never forgive you.

I am a 40 year old business professional with a college degree and your article highly insulted me and buttresses my belief that NBC continues to not do their research. If you cant get something so right in front of your face, how am I to depend on you for the subtleties that today’s news demands?

I just hope the pests don’t take offence to this article. That would be what the boys call a ‘sucks to be you’ moment.

Yours truly,
Chris XXXXXXXXXX

[reefdweller]

It's unreal how they just bury O&A...

This press release from this morning touts everything but O&A, as usual...



XM is the Premium Content Leader with an Unmatched Programming Lineup
The "Oprah & Friends" channel completes XM's programming plan to deliver the best in music, sports and talk to our customer base.
* Oprah & Friends: XM will launch the exclusive "Oprah & Friends" channel this September. The channel will feature a broad range of original programming including a weekly radio show hosted by Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King. Other regular segments will be hosted by popular "Oprah" personalities including Bob Greene, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Robin Smith, Marianne Williamson, and Nate Berkus. The channel will be broadcast from a new state-of-the-art XM studio at Harpo Studios in Chicago. * Major League Baseball: XM's acclaimed coverage of Major League Baseball gears up this month as pitchers and catchers report to spring training in preparation for the 2006 season. XM's baseball coverage includes live broadcasts of all 39 games of the inaugural World Baseball Classic, plus live coverage of spring training games in Florida and Arizona. * Bob Dylan and more: Music legend Bob Dylan and hip-hop superstar Ludacris are each hosting their own exclusive XM music show starting this year. They join Tom Petty, Snoop Dogg, and Quincy Jones amongst others to make XM's commercial-free music line-up even more appealing. * Sports Talk: NASCAR champions Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Jimmie Johnson and Duke Basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski, among others, have all joined XM's sports radio talk line-up. * Take Five: In 2005, XM debuted Take Five, a talk and lifestyle channel focused on women. Take Five offers daily satellite radio broadcasts of the "Ellen DeGeneres Show," the "Tyra Banks Show," the "Good Morning America Radio Show," and also features content from the Food Network, Home and Garden Television and the "Satellite Sisters." * FOX News and Other Leading Talk Programming: XM offers the FOX News Channel, the top-rated cable news network, as well as the recently launched FOX News Talk radio channel, which features well known TV and radio commentators from the FOX line-up. XM is also the exclusive satellite radio home for Air America Radio, featuring Al Franken. * NHL Hockey, World Cup Germany 2006 and College Sports: XM began broadcasting NHL games this season and will become the NHL's exclusive satellite radio broadcast partner for the 2007-8 season through a ten- year agreement. This May, XM will broadcast the play-by-play of all 64 soccer matches of the 2006 FIFA® World Cup Germany in both English and Spanish in cooperation with legendary sportscaster Andres Cantor. We also recently expanded our college sports offering with BIG EAST basketball and football broadcasts, adding to our existing ACC, PAC-10 and Big Ten broadcasts. XM Introduces the First Integrated Portable XM Satellite Radio/MP3 Playerhttp://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060216/nyth061.html?.v=44&printer=1

[Ballbuster1]

Get smart and don’t ostracize the boys or it will be at your own peril. They are 10x more vindictive than Stern ever was and they will never forgive you.
Just my opinion, but you might have sounded better without that line.

[abudabit]

Don't call them 'the boys' if you are trying to convince the reporters that O&A are big - I'm sure some Philips Phile fans wrote off similar letters.

Anyways hopefully this will all stop when the March numbers show they have more or equal numbers to Stern.

[Shipwreck]

I hear you about 'the boys', but it was before I even took a piss this AM and I have been calling them that for a very long time. Force of habit.

As far as warning the media about the boys being vindictive, not only is it true, but I felt they needed fair warning.

At any rate, the fact remains, they continue to get dissed no matter how I worded a letter. And it wont matter what the numbers are in March. Until they feel the general public they will continue to ignore them, and when they do come around it is my hope the boys dont forget.

[murphymj]

As much as I wish O&A received more recognition for their show, I think all of us are being unrealistic about this. Oprah and Stern are iconic cultural characters - whether it is deserved or not - and they are the marquis personalities on XM and Sirius, respectively.

I constantly try to "spread the virus" to my friends and coworkers, but, to be honest, only about 4 of 10 have actually heard of them before. Others are familiar aafter I explain the "Sex For Sam" thing, but there is a truth resides somewhere in this point. Everyone has heard of Stern and Oprah; from a pure marketing standpoint it's a smart move by both companies to ride the wave of their popularity.

I think O&A have a better show (more original content), but if they want to rise to the level of Stern - which may be impossible for any radio personality - they are going to need to make themselves for marketable before XM will fully commit to marketing them.

[Mike]

That Writer is laughing at you... and calling you a "loser"...

Just my opinion

[slondeau]

Do you have a link to the article? I looked, but didn't see anything about it. Was this on MSN or did it forward you to MSNBC?

[Wilmington WOW]

I posted it yesterday on the oprah thread.
it does rip hoo ,sirius and their stock

[oaswallow]

Do you have a link to the article? I looked, but didn't see anything about it. Was this on MSN or did it forward you to MSNBC?

This is all over every web news service. How could you miss it??

To help your web browsing deficiency, try this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11383797/
or this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11257100/

[TimHorton]

Everybody is going to have to work a little harder!!

NEW YORK (Reuters) - XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (XMSR.O: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday posted a wider fourth-quarter loss, hurt by higher programing and marketing costs even as revenue more than doubled.

In addition, XM said that a company director, Pierce Roberts, has resigned from the board because he saw "a significant chance of a crisis on the horizon" and was "troubled" about XM's direction.

XM disclosed Roberts' resignation in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and said Roberts favored cutting spending to boost cash flow.

Shares of XM, which has almost twice as many subscribers as smaller rival Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (SIRI.O: Quote, Profile, Research), fell 7.7 percent to $23.30 in premarket trade on the Inet electronic network.

XM, which last week signed Oprah Winfrey to program her own channel for XM Satellite Radio under a three-year, $55 million deal, said its cost of attracting additional subscribers rose by 39 percent in the fourth quarter. Revenue more than doubled and topped Wall Street expectations.

The Washington-based company posted a quarterly loss of $268.3 million, or $1.22 a share, compared with a loss of $188.2 million, or 93 cents per share, a year earlier.

Analyst had expected a loss of 92 cents a share, according to Reuters Estimates.

Revenue rose to $177.1 million, from $83.1 million. Wall Street, on average, had expected revenue of $174 million.

XM Satellite said it added over 898,000 subscribers in the quarter and now has more than 6 million, and is on track to reach 20 million by 2010.

Both XM and Sirius are growing rapidly in a nascent market, but losing money as they spend heavily on technology and entertainment such as celebrity hosts to win new subscribers. The companies aim to attract long-term users who will pay a monthly fee for years to come.

XM's signing of Oprah came on the heels of Sirius's January launch of a new show by raunchy radio jock Howard Stern under a five-year deal that will pay Stern about $500 million.

XM said its subscriber acquisition cost rose to $89 in the quarter, compared with $64 one year ago.

"These increases were primarily due to higher marketing expenses to meet a one-time competitive event in the fourth quarter," XM Chief Executive Hugh Panero said in a statement.

Panero did not mention Howard Stern directly, but analysts had anticipated that XM would have to work hard to match Sirius' marketing push leading up to Stern's January debut.

He said XM expects a more routine market environment in the first quarter, now that the run-up to Stern's launch has ended, and projected subscriber acquisition costs will decrease in 2006. Overall, the company sees subscription revenue of $860 million for the full year, up from $503 million in 2005.

XM shares have fallen 19 percent since it reported third-quarter results in October. Over the same period Sirius shares are nearly flat.

Sirius is expected to report its quarterly results on Friday

Go Canada Go

[ih8Uboo-boo]

As far as warning the media about the boys being vindictive, not only is it true, but I felt they needed fair warning.



I think that he meant you could have made your point without making it sound death threatish...

As far as the article...

The fact that XM posted a larger loss than expected is bigger news than O & A not being mentioned in the article...

don't lose sight of the big picture: No XM = No O&A...

I am also kinda worried about the inference of a "looming crisis"...

[BeltOfScotch]

The fact that XM posted a larger loss than expected is bigger news than O & A not being mentioned in the article...

This is not even a question, curious to see how Sirius's numbers look tomorrow but the financial numbers are terrible, no other way to spin it.

[Spadanko]

I hope all the trash talking on Sirius doesn't come back and bite the boys in the ass... but apparently XM's numbers are still better then the doggie company..

[judoGTI]

I hate to say it but the big name war is between Oprah and Howard... Their names are just bigger than the boys. If O&A left XM right now I dont think anything would be said, but if Howard or Oprah left of course a stink would be made....

But that doesnt mean the shows are any better.... Its all just name recognition...

[BillyLiar]

I think it's fair for an article to say the "big fight" is Howard Stern vs Oprah..

Both are the biggest names on each company, as far as the average person is concerned. If you don't live in the east coast, chances are, you barely know who O&A are.. Oprah may be the best kown celebrity in the country.

It's about name recognition, not quality of the show.. I can think of tons of bands who I think are better than U2.. but I'm not going to argue that they're not absolutely huge.

[NightStalker3]

I think it's fair for an article to say the "big fight" is Howard Stern vs Oprah..

Both are the biggest names on each company, as far as the average person is concerned. If you don't live in the east coast, chances are, you barely know who O&A are.. Oprah may be the best kown celebrity in the country.

It's about name recognition, not quality of the show.. I can think of tons of bands who I think are better than U2.. but I'm not going to argue that they're not absolutely huge.

Some truth in this no doubt. XM Marketing could help the bboys a bit in this. I just wish XM would keep hiding them.

[BuffaloTom]

It's very hard when arguing for the boys on other message boards when someone says: "well XM doesn't even market them - they can't be good." Then, that huge press release comes out, and OnA aren't mentioned, and it's tough not to argue that OnA are major league.

[Cage]

Read the letter in the "angry typing guy" character voice and it's kind of interesting.

[Scuba Steve]

I just hope the pests don’t take offence to this article. That would be what the boys call a ‘sucks to be you’ moment.



Your letter is great I really liked it. The last part gets the car crash!
This totally sounds like a death threat kinda thing... I am sure he is just laughing at you.

http://media.skoopy.com/misc/car_crash/01.jpg

[itscoldouthere]

From a business standpoint this should be fun to watch. It will be interesting to see the doggy company’s numbers tomorrow. How much did they spend on each new customer? Will they try and pass a $1 price increase? Dish and Direct TV both exist and the doggy and XM are both going to exist.

Satellite radio in the news is a good thing for both companies, even if a board member gets pissy. It is good to see XM differentiating themselves from the doggy company, from a business perspective. The marketer in me worries about using one controversial person to define your image in a consumers mind. What happens when that person leaves, gets in trouble, gets hit by a car, etc....

What the industry needs is people looking to buy Satellite radios, Oprah should bring in a whole new consumer, that has to be good for XM. The stock took a beating today, but I look at it as an opportunity to buy some more shares.

[GLENN_THE_TOOL]

I hope all the trash talking on Sirius doesn't come back and bite the boys in the ass... but apparently XM's numbers are still better then the doggie company..

how will it come back to bite O&A in the ass? O&A talking about Howard is not such a big deal as Howard talking about O&A. everyone knows Howard, they already know what he's about, so O&A losing listeners and XM losing subs to Howard and Sirius is a lot less likely than the other way around. since fewer people know about O&A, the likelihood that people will give O&A a try is much higher.

if anything, O&A talking about other shows displays the confidence in their own show and fans. they know they have a great, entertaining show and know their fans won't turn over to another show simply because they mention the show on the air. Howard's reluctance to so much as mention O&A on the air is proof positive of Howard's fear of losing his audience and his lack of confidence in his own show and fans. it shows that O&A have more balls and don't fear their competitors.

[CrisReevsHorse]

how will it come back to bite O&A in the ass? O&A talking about Howard is not such a big deal as Howard talking about O&A. everyone knows Howard, they already know what he's about, so O&A losing listeners and XM losing subs to Howard and Sirius is a lot less likely than the other way around. since fewer people know about O&A, the likelihood that people will give O&A a try is much higher.

if anything, O&A talking about other shows displays the confidence in their own show and fans. they know they have a great, entertaining show and know their fans won't turn over to another show simply because they mention the show on the air. Howard's reluctance to so much as mention O&A on the air is proof positive of Howard's fear of losing his audience and his lack of confidence in his own show and fans. it shows that O&A have more balls and don't fear their competitors.

good point, glenn, good point...

[Spadanko]

how will it come back to bite O&A in the ass? O&A talking about Howard is not such a big deal as Howard talking about O&A. everyone knows Howard, they already know what he's about, so O&A losing listeners and XM losing subs to Howard and Sirius is a lot less likely than the other way around. since fewer people know about O&A, the likelihood that people will give O&A a try is much higher.

if anything, O&A talking about other shows displays the confidence in their own show and fans. they know they have a great, entertaining show and know their fans won't turn over to another show simply because they mention the show on the air. Howard's reluctance to so much as mention O&A on the air is proof positive of Howard's fear of losing his audience and his lack of confidence in his own show and fans. it shows that O&A have more balls and don't fear their competitors.

I know wher eyou are coming from glenn... all i am saying is that i hope that all this crap that is in the news about XM doesn't hurt our good buddies

[Wilmington WOW]

Does anybody know anything about hte director Pierce Roberts quiting.
This can't be good

[reefdweller]

Does anybody know anything about hte director Pierce Roberts quiting.
This can't be good

here's an article

Ex-director rocks XM Satellite (http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060216/media_xmsatellite_roberts.html?.v=3)

[BillyDubbs]

I do not see this affecting the incoming oprah push, and good news is subs are still cheaper, I think. The only thing this could hurt is the the stock, short term. I am disupsetted about the fact that they were not trying to be quoted, talking about the extra money put into technology throughout the year. Especially about how many satellites and repeaters there are.

[BillyDubbs]

good article, thanks reefdweller. That makes me a little more comfortable.

[Shipwreck]

That Writer is laughing at you... and calling you a "loser"...

Just my opinion

Well laughing or not I dont care... I do know someone he is doing nothing about, you. Thanks for the help sideline boy.

[Shipwreck]

Death threatish? Oh dear we are taking our computer selves seriously, no?
Again I was just stating a fact. It is true no? They dont forget when someone belittles them.

I was only trying to help. It escapes me how a group of folks who condoned personal attacks on the media can find problems with a fellow long-time bagger who is only trying to defend the boys.

THE FOLLOWING IS IN ANGRY TYPING GUY VOICE>>>
I am sorry if I wanted to act instead of just bitch on the boards. Perhaps my point could have been better made with a more eloquent letter, but it waas early I had no coffee and I was pissed. With all the base humour I see and laugh at here I now see how true it is when Opie says they eat their own on wackbag.

Again I was just venting my true feelings and perhaps if any one of my detractors who have pointed out my letters shortcomings could show me their letters to better educate me I would not make the same mistakes again.

Anxiously waiting to see yours....
Tired angry typing guy.

[BigWilly]

God I love Angry Typing guy voice. Good letter Shipwreck. Being from Texas, I can vouch that I had never heard of O&A before XM, but very glad I did. As a listener I can say yes they are better than Hoo Hoo but realistically, they are no where near as marketable.

[cosmic cow]

This is from XM's press release. Maybe I missed something, but looky who isn't mentioned. I love the show but why aren't they ever mentioned?


http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/pr_2006_02_16.html

XM is the Premium Content Leader with an Unmatched Programming Lineup
The "Oprah & Friends" channel completes XM's programming plan to deliver the best in music, sports and talk to our customer base.

Oprah & Friends: XM will launch the exclusive "Oprah & Friends" channel this September. The channel will feature a broad range of original programming including a weekly radio show hosted by Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King. Other regular segments will be hosted by popular "Oprah" personalities including Bob Greene, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Robin Smith, Marianne Williamson, and Nate Berkus. The channel will be broadcast from a new state-of-the-art XM studio at Harpo Studios in Chicago.
Major League Baseball: XM's acclaimed coverage of Major League Baseball gears up this month as pitchers and catchers report to spring training in preparation for the 2006 season. XM's baseball coverage includes live broadcasts of all 39 games of the inaugural World Baseball Classic, plus live coverage of spring training games in Florida and Arizona.
Bob Dylan and more: Music legend Bob Dylan and hip-hop superstar Ludacris are each hosting their own exclusive XM music show starting this year. They join Tom Petty, Snoop Dogg, and Quincy Jones amongst others to make XM's commercial-free music line-up even more appealing.
Sports Talk: NASCAR champions Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Jimmie Johnson and Duke Basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski, among others, have all joined XM's sports radio talk line-up.
Take Five: In 2005, XM debuted Take Five, a talk and lifestyle channel focused on women. Take Five offers daily satellite radio broadcasts of the "Ellen DeGeneres Show," the "Tyra Banks Show," the "Good Morning America Radio Show," and also features content from the Food Network, Home and Garden Television and the "Satellite Sisters."
FOX News and Other Leading Talk Programming: XM offers the FOX News Channel, the top-rated cable news network, as well as the recently launched FOX News Talk radio channel, which features well known TV and radio commentators from the FOX line-up. XM is also the exclusive satellite radio home for Air America Radio, featuring Al Franken.
NHL Hockey, World Cup Germany 2006 and College Sports: XM began broadcasting NHL games this season and will become the NHL's exclusive satellite radio broadcast partner for the 2007-8 season through a ten-year agreement. This May, XM will broadcast the play-by-play of all 64 soccer matches of the 2006 FIFA® World Cup Germany in both English and Spanish in cooperation with legendary sportscaster Andres Cantor. We also recently expanded our college sports offering with BIG EAST basketball and football broadcasts, adding to our existing ACC, PAC-10 and Big Ten broadcasts.

[reefdweller]

This is from XM's press release. Maybe I missed something, but looky who isn't mentioned. I love the show but why aren't they ever mentioned?


http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/pr_2006_02_16.html

XM is the Premium Content Leader with an Unmatched Programming Lineup
The "Oprah & Friends" channel completes XM's programming plan to deliver the best in music, sports and talk to our customer base.

Oprah & Friends: XM will launch the exclusive "Oprah & Friends" channel this September. The channel will feature a broad range of original programming including a weekly radio show hosted by Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King. Other regular segments will be hosted by popular "Oprah" personalities including Bob Greene, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Robin Smith, Marianne Williamson, and Nate Berkus. The channel will be broadcast from a new state-of-the-art XM studio at Harpo Studios in Chicago.
Major League Baseball: XM's acclaimed coverage of Major League Baseball gears up this month as pitchers and catchers report to spring training in preparation for the 2006 season. XM's baseball coverage includes live broadcasts of all 39 games of the inaugural World Baseball Classic, plus live coverage of spring training games in Florida and Arizona.
Bob Dylan and more: Music legend Bob Dylan and hip-hop superstar Ludacris are each hosting their own exclusive XM music show starting this year. They join Tom Petty, Snoop Dogg, and Quincy Jones amongst others to make XM's commercial-free music line-up even more appealing.
Sports Talk: NASCAR champions Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Jimmie Johnson and Duke Basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski, among others, have all joined XM's sports radio talk line-up.
Take Five: In 2005, XM debuted Take Five, a talk and lifestyle channel focused on women. Take Five offers daily satellite radio broadcasts of the "Ellen DeGeneres Show," the "Tyra Banks Show," the "Good Morning America Radio Show," and also features content from the Food Network, Home and Garden Television and the "Satellite Sisters."
FOX News and Other Leading Talk Programming: XM offers the FOX News Channel, the top-rated cable news network, as well as the recently launched FOX News Talk radio channel, which features well known TV and radio commentators from the FOX line-up. XM is also the exclusive satellite radio home for Air America Radio, featuring Al Franken.
NHL Hockey, World Cup Germany 2006 and College Sports: XM began broadcasting NHL games this season and will become the NHL's exclusive satellite radio broadcast partner for the 2007-8 season through a ten-year agreement. This May, XM will broadcast the play-by-play of all 64 soccer matches of the 2006 FIFA® World Cup Germany in both English and Spanish in cooperation with legendary sportscaster Andres Cantor. We also recently expanded our college sports offering with BIG EAST basketball and football broadcasts, adding to our existing ACC, PAC-10 and Big Ten broadcasts.

I mentioned this in the second post of this thread.

[cosmic cow]

Yes you did, somehow I missed it. It willn't happen again sir.

[oaswallow]

Shipwreck, take a deep breath and lighten up. Yes you did write a letter. I wouldn't have added the listeners will make life miserable part if I were writting it as they really wouldn't give a crap. But you said your piece so kudos for that.

[slunt]

Don't call them 'the boys' if you are trying to convince the reporters that O&A are big - I'm sure some Philips Phile fans wrote off similar letters.

You are correct sir. Besides, trying to pass off men in their mid 40's as young enough to be called "boys" doesn't ring true. They are almost as old as Stern.

Anyways hopefully this will all stop when the March numbers show they have more or equal numbers to Stern.

That's not going to happen any time soon. Stern has between 1-2 million listeners, and clearly O&A aren't anywhere near that. If they were, the news reports wouldn't be saying its Stern vs. Oprah, they would be saying Stern vs. O&A.

BTW, there will be no "March numbers" for the number of Stern vs. the number O&A listeners. Until Arbitron starts rating individual satellite radio stations this summer, the only numbers we have to go by are the estimates from Bridge Ratings who have estimated the number of subscribers due to Stern to be in excess of 1 million for the last 4 months alone. Bridge Ratings has yet to make note of any impact that Opie and Anthony have made as far as drawing listeners to XM.

[BitWrecker]

XM is NOT helping us to spread the Virus!!!!!

[GoBucks]

As much as I wish O&A received more recognition for their show, I think all of us are being unrealistic about this. Oprah and Stern are iconic cultural characters - whether it is deserved or not - and they are the marquis personalities on XM and Sirius, respectively.

I constantly try to "spread the virus" to my friends and coworkers, but, to be honest, only about 4 of 10 have actually heard of them before. Others are familiar aafter I explain the "Sex For Sam" thing, but there is a truth resides somewhere in this point. Everyone has heard of Stern and Oprah; from a pure marketing standpoint it's a smart move by both companies to ride the wave of their popularity.

I think O&A have a better show (more original content), but if they want to rise to the level of Stern - which may be impossible for any radio personality - they are going to need to make themselves for marketable before XM will fully commit to marketing them.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Up until a year ago, I had never heard of Opie and Anthony. My guess is, I was in the majority. I know New York City is huge, but unless they were in nearly EVERY major market in the country, no one hear's about them. They're just "those guys who made people fuck in a church". What kind of image does that put out to the people who are like I was, never hearing of them, but maybe heard about SFS3? These people are not going to sign up for XM just because they have O&A on the air.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Death threatish? Oh dear we are taking our computer selves seriously, no?
Again I was just stating a fact. It is true no? They dont forget when someone belittles them.

How were they belittled??? The bigger story is that XM posted a bigger loss than anticipated. Why would you want them mentioned with that??


I was only trying to help. It escapes me how a group of folks who condoned personal attacks on the media can find problems with a fellow long-time bagger who is only trying to defend the boys.

There is nothing wrong with helping, but sometimes a little tact couldn't hurt either. You gotta know when to smash someone's face in...


THE FOLLOWING IS IN ANGRY TYPING GUY VOICE>>>
I am sorry if I wanted to act instead of just bitch on the boards. Perhaps my point could have been better made with a more eloquent letter, but it waas early I had no coffee and I was pissed. With all the base humour I see and laugh at here I now see how true it is when Opie says they eat their own on wackbag.

Again I was just venting my true feelings and perhaps if any one of my detractors who have pointed out my letters shortcomings could show me their letters to better educate me I would not make the same mistakes again.

It was a pretty good letter, people disagreed with one portion of the letter, big deal get over yourself. I'm a "longtime member of this board" too, but I got impression that I got from your letter was that you were implying "physical" harm. Granted I know that is not what you meant, but what's to say that someone else, who has no clue of who O&A are couldn't get the same impression from it. Ultimately, its your ass that would be held responsible, and could bring a lot of unnecessary heat to the board. Last I checked, it was early and I haven't had my coffee yet isn't a valid defense...

You can't get pissed when people disagree with some of what you said when you come in here, start a thread, and say "look what I did"...

Honesty is what makes the show great, why shouldn't it apply here as well???

Anxiously waiting to see yours....
Tired angry typing guy.

are you??? are you really???

[Little April]

XM is NOT helping us to spread the Virus!!!!!

XM is spending a shit load of money trying to spread XM! They're still in the red.. not as bad a Sirius - but they're losing money, not making any. Give the company a break.

[judoGTI]

Where is a Washington Post Article about the XM guy quitting


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/16/AR2006021600546.html

[Exodus666]

XM is spending a shit load of money trying to spread XM! They're still in the red.. not as bad a Sirius - but they're losing money, not making any. Give the company a break.


They still need to do a better job promoting the boys.

[HockeyHelmet]

They don't get it, fuckem, half the people that comment on Satelite radio probably don't have it.

[kloraferm]

As much as I wish O&A received more recognition for their show, I think all of us are being unrealistic about this. Oprah and Stern are iconic cultural characters - whether it is deserved or not - and they are the marquis personalities on XM and Sirius, respectively.
Maybe, but it is undoubtedly annoying how much O&A get dismissed.

[Shipwreck]

are you??? are you really???

Yeah as a matter of fact I am. And I still have not seen yours.

And one cannot get in any kind of guff for how someone pecieves something. Implying and saying are two vastly different things. I know that saying someone or something is vindictive is a thousand yards from an actual threat.

I was less saying hey look what I did and more saying we should alert this guy that there is more to xm than oprah.
I only posted the letter ( I wish to god I had not) because I wanted to prove that I actually did something instead of just talking about it, like so many do. Blah, blah, blah. Get outside Mr. 2000 posts. The sun feels good.

[OANerd]

Holy Crap.. Too many big words for those assholes to understand.. I couldnt get past It


Very Good Sir :clap:



Well, not to stir the pot, but I was reading MSN's homepage this AM and there is a headline that talks about how the big war on Satellite is between Hoo Hoo and Oprah. Here is the response I fired off. Feel free to reach out and tickle this assholes bag and let him know too.
Mr. Walberg,

It mystifies me why you guys ignore Opie and Anthony. They are a HUGE part of XM. Don’t make the same mistake NBC did years ago by trying to marginalize Howard. They are a force and you cannot ignore them away.
They have many, many more listeners than Howard has. That is an empirical fact. Not to mention they built their audience with no safety net; in other words they did not have a terrestrial radio platform to promote their move to satellite for a year.

While Oprah is a coup to be sure and an indication of the good business practices that will put XM in the driver’s seat in the future, she is not even close to the end all, be all.

Get smart and don’t ostracize the boys or it will be at your own peril. They are 10x more vindictive than Stern ever was and they will never forgive you.

I am a 40 year old business professional with a college degree and your article highly insulted me and buttresses my belief that NBC continues to not do their research. If you cant get something so right in front of your face, how am I to depend on you for the subtleties that today’s news demands?

I just hope the pests don’t take offence to this article. That would be what the boys call a ‘sucks to be you’ moment.

Yours truly,
Chris XXXXXXXXXX

[YourAmishDaddy]

Maybe more people woud be more receptive and more welcoming to Opie and Anthony if we didn't take every snub as an act of war. But hey... This approach really does wonders for Muslims....

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Yeah as a matter of fact I am. And I still have not seen yours.

And you WON'T, because I don't need to validate myself to you or anyone else here...

I pay my XM bill and recommend XM to my friends. Word of mouth is stronger than any marketing BS...

But, I know... you "GET IT" and I "DON'T".


And one cannot get in any kind of guff for how someone pecieves something. Implying and saying are two vastly different things. I know that saying someone or something is vindictive is a thousand yards from an actual threat.

Someone else pointed out the same friggin thing, but I must have been wrong. Here's a little nugget for you, perception is reality, but if you want people to perceive you as the knuckle dragging dolt that they already think you are because you listen to O&A then by all means have at it...

I was less saying hey look what I did and more saying we should alert this guy that there is more to xm than oprah.
I only posted the letter ( I wish to god I had not) because I wanted to prove that I actually did something instead of just talking about it, like so many do.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

WHOOPTY-fucking do... go you...



Blah, blah, blah. Get outside Mr. 2000 posts. The sun feels good.

THE BIG YELLOW ONE'S THE SUN... RIGHT:icon_roll

wow, 2000 posts in a little over 3 1/2 years means that I have no life.... :haha7: :haha7: :haha7:

you DO realize that just about every single mod on the board, not to mention countless other members have 2 or 3 times the number of posts, some in less time... If your hammering me, what's that make them???

just saying...

[BillyDubbs]

And you WON'T, because I don't need to validate myself to you or anyone else here...

That post seems like an attempt to validate yourself.

I think it works, well said

[Abysmul]

They still need to do a better job promoting the boys.


I think that o&a are the least of XM's concerns right now.
Like Opie himself said, there is so much more on XM than o&a.

i can understand the sentiment, but o&a and their fans do a damn good job of self-promotion.





(except when an airhorn gets blown in a reporters ear)


:action-sm

[Clit Commander]

I love when Reef posts, then we get to see lovely pictures of lovely girls and their lil camel toes.

[Shipwreck]

Person who hates boo- boo ( she must be heartbroken)

A little more of this before I tire of playing with you and go out DO SOMETHING.

Perception is reality is the silliest little trite coloquialism you can come up with? Lauff and lauff. Tell it to the judge, you would be laughed out of court, which was where you suggested my post could land me. Talk about reality. And lets, peception would only be reality to someone whose life depends on staring at a screen all day in a made up world where your silly opinion actually matters.

As far your word of mouth to your friends being more important than actual marketing, I am sure the boys are clammoring to get your silly ass on the payroll,,,is that the phone ringing? Oh thats right, they dont know you exist. Ouch.

Again all I did was reach out to an actual writer to give my opinion as poorly worded as it may have been. Knuckle Dragger? I'll take my callused hands to your carpal tunnel any day son. At the end of the day you are stuck in cyber-space, oh and your word of mouth campaign, and I actually did something.

And validating, who asked you? Speaking of validating, you came at me, remember?

Lastly, mods aside who do a great job and I respect fully, yeah some folks do post way too much and I would say the same I said to you...Get outside. But they did not come at me. You did. I am not impressed with your up to minute sig changes, myspace prowess, and wonderful photoshop ability. You are not battling with a member of the x-box generation. You are talking with a real man, one who is finished toying with you.

You dont like my post sorry, but at least I tried. Maybe take some of your passive-aggresive anger out somewhere it might help the boys instead of heading up your stellar word of mouth campaign. Word of mouth, brother.

To all other wackbaggers who I offended I again apologize for my poorly worded letter. In retrospect I should have been more professional. I hope I did not offend too many of you, I was just trying to put in my .02. In the future I will certainly be more circumspect. I have written to congressmen, church leaders, radio stations, and others in the past regarding the boys and other important issues. I will continue to do so and urge all of you to do the same. The written word, no matter how poorly composed is one of our most powerful weapons. Thanks for your time and I also apologize for the downward spiral of a thread that I only started to alert the rest of you to a fucked up article that agian demonstrated the mainstream media just not getting it.

Shipwreck out.

[FatDave]

I agree that Xm doesn't promote O & A enough. While really big with thier fans they are only a small part of XM.

Unless you live in the Northeast most people have never heard of them. XM knows this and isn't going to spend money to promote someone people have never heard of.

55 millon bucks for Oprah is a lot of money for a name. And that's all it is. She's not going to sit down in front of a mic and do a show every day. They might get a pre-recorded 30 minutes to an hour a week if that. But the name alone made big headlines and it was good for XM. It's also a name that everyone knows. Just like Stern at the doggie company.

I love O & A but the humor they do but it doesn't appeal to everyone. If they want big exposure they are going to have to be more main stream which would ruin the show. I know that sucks but it's just the way it is.

Sending threats to people doesn't help the show . All it does is show what a bunch of fuckin' idots they have as fans.

The show will continue to grow but it won't be because XM promotes them. It'll be because people sign up for XM, listen to the show and like what they hear.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Person who hates boo- boo ( she must be heartbroken)

A little more of this before I tire of playing with you and go out DO SOMETHING.

Perception is reality is the silliest little trite coloquialism you can come up with? Lauff and lauff. Tell it to the judge, you would be laughed out of court, which was where you suggested my post could land me. Talk about reality. And lets, peception would only be reality to someone whose life depends on staring at a screen all day in a made up world where your silly opinion actually matters.

As far your word of mouth to your friends being more important than actual marketing, I am sure the boys are clammoring to get your silly ass on the payroll,,,is that the phone ringing? Oh thats right, they dont know you exist. Ouch.

Again all I did was reach out to an actual writer to give my opinion as poorly worded as it may have been. Knuckle Dragger? I'll take my callused hands to your carpal tunnel any day son. At the end of the day you are stuck in cyber-space, oh and your word of mouth campaign, and I actually did something.

And validating, who asked you? Speaking of validating, you came at me, remember?

Lastly, mods aside who do a great job and I respect fully, yeah some folks do post way too much and I would say the same I said to you...Get outside. But they did not come at me. You did. I am not impressed with your up to minute sig changes, myspace prowess, and wonderful photoshop ability. You are not battling with a member of the x-box generation. You are talking with a real man, one who is finished toying with you.

You dont like my post sorry, but at least I tried. Maybe take some of your passive-aggresive anger out somewhere it might help the boys instead of heading up your stellar word of mouth campaign. Word of mouth, brother.

To all other wackbaggers who I offended I again apologize for my poorly worded letter. In retrospect I should have been more professional. I hope I did not offend too many of you, I was just trying to put in my .02. In the future I will certainly be more circumspect. I have written to congressmen, church leaders, radio stations, and others in the past regarding the boys and other important issues. I will continue to do so and urge all of you to do the same. The written word, no matter how poorly composed is one of our most powerful weapons. Thanks for your time and I also apologize for the downward spiral of a thread that I only started to alert the rest of you to a fucked up article that agian demonstrated the mainstream media just not getting it.

Shipwreck out.

Whos the one being passive aggressive here??? Jesus, this is like arguing with a second grader... I have a life, i got blah, blah, blah...

I never said I "didn't like the post" or the letter, my 1st post consisted of AN ENTIRE SENTENCE about your prescious letter, backing up what another poster thought about your letter. Then talked about tried to point out what was really the issue of the article. THE FACT THAT XM'S LOSSES WIDENDED... Your a "business professional", you should know that's not good. Especially in a young company such as XM. Wall Street DOESN'T CARE about O&A, but you really told the writer.

Your right, I'm not paid to market XM, but I know that 5 of my friends added XM, and since "every subscription counts" i'll take it as a complement. How many subs will the letter create???

To be fair... you started in on me, using my term "death threatish", which admittadly I could have worded it better, but please forgive me it was early and I hadn't had my coffee, then you go on with the with the angry typing guy B.S. Then you say that I'm being passive agressive... EL OH EL...

There was one part (2 lines actually) that I thought that could have been handled differently. Here's what your missing ITS AN OPINION... ass

Have fun in the real world, maaaaaaannnnnnn!!!!!111!!!:icon_roll


Good Luck, Bro...

**Edit**

and if you were as big a fan of the boys as you purport, you'd get the reference

[Little April]

Again all I did was reach out to an actual writer to give my opinion as poorly worded as it may have been..

It was a piss poor letter. And making excuses that you were tired and didn't drink a fuckin' cup of coffee would be "laughed out of court". Boo-boo was calling a spade a spade.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

It was a piss poor letter. And making excuses that you were tired and didn't drink a fuckin' cup of coffee would be "laughed out of court". Boo-boo was calling a spade a spade.

I take my hand off to you april...:icon_mrgr

[Gott]

Boys Boys Boys...calm down...The exec who left still is holding onto a lot of XM stock. If he thought there was a real "looming crisis" then he would have sold ASAP. He was probably taken for granted, had too many ideas shot down in the boardroom and felt that his effort would be more appreciated elsewhere.

The biggest thing is the stock he still holds. If he thought there were serious problems ahead would he still be holding onto his stock? I think not...

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Boys Boys Boys...calm down...The exec who left still is holding onto a lot of XM stock. If he thought there was a real "looming crisis" then he would have sold ASAP. He was probably taken for granted, had too many ideas shot down in the boardroom and felt that his effort would be more appreciated elsewhere.

The biggest thing is the stock he still holds. If he thought there were serious problems ahead would he still be holding onto his stock? I think not...

Your probably right, and it was nothing more than a philosophical differnce that caused him to leave...

Since he was a board member is a considered an "insider" according to SEC regulations. That designation prevents him from flushing his entire position and flooding the market all at once if the position is large enough, but it's something that warrants keeping an eye an eye on.

[KissingBandit]

I thought it was a great letter, sir :clap:

[doobdoob]

Don’t make the same mistake NBC did years ago by trying to marginalize Howard.
Uh, what?

[Turfmower]

Why is this bumped?

[Cult45]

"Unless you live in the Northeast most people have never heard of them. XM knows this and isn't going to spend money to promote someone people have never heard of."


I'll disagree with this, with respect. Certainly, overall, that's a correct statement, but I think the other areas of the country have heard of O&A. I know I listened to them in New Orleans before XM.

My point is that XM continually seems to severly underestimate the fan base that the boys have.

[BCH]

Why is this bumped?

I guess because someone forgot to lock it?

[Ballbuster1]

My point is that XM continually seems to severly underestimate the fan base that the boys have.
While that may be true, this is an old thread that really isn't relevant anymore.

Please don't bump threads that are this old. If you feel you have something
relevant to it, it's fine to start a new one. Thanx.