2006 Philadelphia Phillies thread

[domelogic]

my apologies to all phillies fans for attending todays game. :icon_frow two good things came of this visit: first the phils scored more than one run and second it happened to be a homer by howard

hearing fans in the park talk about the phils it amazes me that everyone seems to be on the same page. we are done with pat burrell and charlie doesnt know his head from his ass. everytime charlie stuck his fat head out of the dugout he got booed. we were yelling for him to yank mathison in the inning before home run derby broke out. if he pulls him and you get howards homer making it 4-2 and then dont give up the two homers(which had a pretty good chance of not happening with another pitcher) they are right in it. then all those lead off baserunners could have been used differently.

someone explain to me why he doesnt use castro more? the kid is a rule 5 pickup and cant be sent down to the minors or they lose him. he hasnt given up a run yet and looks to have good stuff.

i understand the phils have been trying to resign dellucci but he is leaning towards playing somewhere in the south. i hope he reconsiders cuz another season of burrell will be way to many.

[Kyle]

I don't get the Charlie hate...the guy's done a really good job holding this team together. And trust me, I don't like giving the guy credit...at one point earlier in the season, I think I recommended he be fired...but he's managed pretty well, especially as of late.

Burrell is a sad sight to watch. But get used to it...he's not going anywhere.

The main thing I took away from this game is that Mathieson needs more seasoning at the minor league level. He needs to learn how to throw his breaking pitches with confidence, and for strikes. I'd send him down and call up Brito or Germano...will they be better? Who knows...but they have a little more Major League experience.

Oh, and as far as Castro goes...they don't pitch him more because if they did, the same thing would happen to him that's been happening to Mathieson. He's got a nice arm, but if they over-exposed him now, he'd get lit up. He needs to make it through the season on the roster so they can send him to the minors next season to learn how to pitch a little more.

[MilkmanDan]

I don't get the Charlie hate...the guy's done a really good job holding this team together. And trust me, I don't like giving the guy credit...at one point earlier in the season, I think I recommended he be fired...but he's managed pretty well, especially as of late.

Burrell is a sad sight to watch. But get used to it...he's not going anywhere.

The main thing I took away from this game is that Mathieson needs more seasoning at the minor league level. He needs to learn how to throw his breaking pitches with confidence, and for strikes. I'd send him down and call up Brito or Germano...will they be better? Who knows...but they have a little more Major League experience.

Oh, and as far as Castro goes...they don't pitch him more because if they did, the same thing would happen to him that's been happening to Mathieson. He's got a nice arm, but if they over-exposed him now, he'd get lit up. He needs to make it through the season on the roster so they can send him to the minors next season to learn how to pitch a little more.

I dont see it with the Manuel thing, he's made alot of bad decisions in his stay here. Miss Bowa alot, but the players dont because he's too mean or something, I dunno. Pull up your f'ing skirts.
Agree on the young pitchers, they've already traumatized Gavin Floyd, and he's had flashes of brilliance but definitely wasnt ready. Manuel was there to placate Jim Thome, who is no longer on the team.. time for a change.

[domelogic]

yeah i have to agree that manuel hasnt done a very good baseball job. i get your point about holding the team together but ya know i am tired of a manager in philly having to do that. i want him to manage the game and stop having to worry about fragile egos. i mean hell abreu leaves philly and for the first time in his career he sacraficed by BUNTING! enough said

as far as castro goes, its not like i want him to pitch every game but if you got him up there cuz you cant send him down then let the kid pitch a little. this i am afraid to put him in a tight situation thing is bullshit. i dont think giving him an inning here and there in those types of situations will damage the kid. yes he needs to learn a little more that is why i dont disagree about keeping him on the roster.

mathieson just doesnt throw enough strikes and when he does they are getting way to much of the plate. this kid is young and came right from aa. the crowd booing him made no sense and that is why philly has a hard time bringing up the youngsters. recall someone who has a little more experience cuz they absolutely need to find a 5th starter to have a shot at the playoffs.

[Kyle]

Phillies improve pitching staff, acquire Moyer from Seattle
Aug. 19, 2006
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports



PHILADELPHIA -- The Philadelphia Phillies bolstered their starting rotation, acquiring 43-year-old left-hander Jamie Moyer from the Seattle Mariners for two minor leaguers on Saturday night.

Moyer was 6-12 with a 4.39 ERA for the Mariners. He's expected to start for the Phillies on Tuesday against the Chicago Cubs. Philadelphia has played well since overhauling its roster before last month's trade deadline, and is 2½ games behind NL wild-card leading Cincinnati.

The Phillies sent right-handed pitchers Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb to the Mariners for Moyer, who is making $5.5 million this season. Philadelphia also gets cash in the deal.

"This guy is a good player and he's done a good job here for a number of years," Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi said. "A lot of people in this organization have a lot of fond memories of what he's done here. He's meant a lot to this franchise. But you've got to do what you've got to do."

Moyer wasn't immediately available for comment because he wasn't with the Mariners in Los Angeles for their game against the Angels. A team spokesman said Moyer was in Seattle for personal reasons. Phillies general manager Pat Gillick is familiar with Moyer because he held the same position in Seattle from 2000-03.


Jamie Moyer is expected to start Tuesday for the Phillies. (Getty Images)
Moyer will replace rookie right-hander Scott Mathieson, who has struggled since the Phillies called him up from Double-A Reading. Mathieson is 1-4 with a 7.23 ERA in eight games. He didn't reach the fifth inning in four of his seven starts.

Meanwhile, Moyer has pitched at least six innings in 20 of his 25 starts. He had the second-lowest run support in the majors at 3.5 runs per game, and the Mariners didn't score a run while he was in the game in four of his last nine outings.

A native of nearby Souderton, Pa., Moyer began his career with the Cubs in 1986. He's 211-164 with a 4.17 ERA in 563 career games for the Cubs, Rangers, Cardinals, Orioles, Red Sox and Mariners.

Moyer joined the Mariners on July 30, 1996 in a trade with Boston for outfielder Darren Bragg. He went 145-87 with a 3.97 ERA in 324 games (323 starts) with the Mariners and is the franchise leader in wins, starts and innings pitched. He is the only Seattle pitcher to win 20 or more games more than once.

Moyer went to one All-Star game (2003) and pitched in the playoffs twice (1997 and 2001).

The Phillies (60-62) are 13-8 since trading two-time All-Star right fielder Bobby Abreu and starting pitcher Cory Lidle to the New York Yankees on July 30. They also dealt starting third baseman David Bell, backup catcher Sal Fasano and relievers Rheal Cormier and Ryan Franklin in the past month.

Baldwin was 8-8 with a 4.04 ERA at Single-A Clearwater. Barb was 6-2 with a 2.23 ERA and 18 saves at Class A Lakewood.

"We feel we have good information on these guys and we ended up making a fair deal," Bavasi said. "We're happy with the guys that we got and the Phillies are happy with getting Jamie over there."

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Great move by Gillick. Moyer moves to the NL with batters who haven't seen a lot of him and has a very deceptive changeup. To rent him for a month is a good deal.

Don't be fooled by his record either. That's a product of having the second-lowest run support in MLB. He should get plenty of runs from the Phils.

For a fifth starter it's a nice move and they didn't really give anything up. Now let's hope Myers is ok. He reportedly could be going through a dead-arm period.

[blinkdmb]

The Phillies and Moyer agreed to a mutual option for next year. I wonder if the Phillies will pick it up, part of me thinks they should, but the other part wonders if his arm will hold up for much longer, he is 43 years old afterall. It is a nice pick up in this quest for the wild card however, hopefully he won't dissapoint ala Wendell and Cook

[Kyle]

I wouldn't bring him back next season. The team looks committed to Lieber, Myers, Hamels, and Mathieson (even though, he's out right now, he should compete and win a spot next season) as four of the five starters in '07.

If you keep Moyer, that almost guarantees they won't attempt to resign Wolf. I'd rather them try to ink Wolf to a 2-3 year deal.

Of course, if they trade Lieber in the offseason as was originally rumored before they made this wild card push, they could use both.

Moyer's a nice rent-a-player for the rest of this year, for the reason I outlined in my above post, but I don't know how much he has left as a starter going forward after this year.

If they could convince him to take a left-handed specialist middle relief role next season, then I'd bring him back.

[omgzpizzowned]

Moyer will get offers to start for teams next year so I doubt he takes any sort of relief role.

[domelogic]

I dont think they will resign wolf. I think they should but wont. he didnt pitch bad the other day it is just that manuel doesnt know shit about pitchers and when to take them out. gillick might be waiting to see what happens with his two young lefties in the minors which are both in aa. he probably sees them in philly in 2008 so if he does sign wolf 2 years is all he will get.

now back to the asshat that is manuel. someone explain to me why he didnt bring in madson right away and made me watch two batters get walked before doing it? i really think he tried to piss away that game yesterday with a 10-1 lead. hell even the nationals coach conceded as he took out one of his best players who would have batted in two key situations I believe with the bases loaded.

another question will be who do they bring up? will burnham get a nice reward for his accomplishments in reading? more importantly is how will that affect guys getting some rest while they are in the playoff hunt.

[Aizazzle]

Well I'am worried about this 4 game series I know the Cubs are bad and all but whaty team in the NL isn't bad except the Mets and Dodgers .

The Phillies look ready for a letdown and I'am thinking this might me be it . I hope not but it just seems to be too good .

I'am looking forward to Thursday's pitching match up with Hamels vs Zambrano I think this is going to be a good one .

I hope the Phillies take 3 out of 4 but I'am not sure.

P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S:icon_mrgr

[domelogic]

hopefully rowand is okay after colliding with chase. good to see chase have some real good atbats.

this team is trying to make every game exciting. 5-0 lead and almost blow it. what is rhodes doing lately? his era is over 5 and climbing. could his arm be that tired?

[MilkmanDan]

hopefully rowand is okay after colliding with chase. good to see chase have some real good atbats.

this team is trying to make every game exciting. 5-0 lead and almost blow it. what is rhodes doing lately? his era is over 5 and climbing. could his arm be that tired?

I hate Rhodes, he looks like one of the biggest slop pitchers I've ever seen. I want to grab a friggin bat when he comes in. Same goes with White and Geary, who've had success but it seems like a fluke to me. Really need to work on this in the offseason. Bring Floyd up as a reliever for a little while, let him regain his confidence.
Noticed Chris Coste has been catching Lieber last few games, and Liebers been alot better.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

hopefully rowand is okay after colliding with chase. good to see chase have some real good atbats.


ESPN.com says that he broke his ankle and will be out 5 weeks...

[Kyle]

ESPN.com says that he broke his ankle and will be out 5 weeks...

That puts him out most of, if not all of (it's a minimum of five weeks and could take longer), the regular season.

Victorino will play everyday in CF, but the problem now is that Dellucci has been battling a nagging thigh injury. It's nothing serious, but it's why he's been out the last few days.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Roberson start in RF tonight. He'll fall into Victorino's old role of spot starts here and there and being the first guy off the bench.

And I would guess they'll call up Michael Bourn as the 5th OF when they put Rowand on the DL. Bourn has talent. If he gets to play, he could give them a boost down the stretch.

[Kyle]

Notes: Gordon placed on DL
08/22/2006 12:09 AM ET
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com

CHICAGO -- Tom Gordon played catch on Monday and said he felt strong.
The Phillies want to make sure he's as strong as possible, and placed the closer on the 15-day disabled list. The move is retroactive to Aug. 13, meaning Gordon is eligible to be activated on Aug. 28. Arthur Rhodes and Ryan Madson will share closing duties for the next week, with Rhodes receiving the bulk of it.

"I think it's definitely the right move," Gordon said. "They're working to make me understand that I don't have to rush it. I felt strong today. Now, let's move forward."

Gordon said this changes nothing about his routine to return to active duty. He threw 30 pitches from 90 feet before Monday's game against the Cubs, and was pleased with his progress. He still hopes to do it again Tuesday, perhaps even off a mound.

"I feel a lot stronger than I did for the last month," Gordon said. "I'm really confident about getting a chance to throw again tomorrow or Wednesday and feeling even better. We're definitely working it out to where it will be stronger."

The 38-year-old hasn't thrown a ball since allowing three runs in two-thirds of an inning on Aug. 12, and pitched two innings the day before. His workout routines now consist of 25-30 minutes each day strengthening his shoulder, and returning to more familiar mechanics.

Because he felt lingering pain in a game against San Diego in mid July, he altered his throwing to compensate.

"I've been around so long that I've done it wrong for the last month and allowed myself to start thinking about protecting myself," Gordon said. "I did more things right with my mechanics today than I had over the past few months. It's the basics. When things happen, it makes you take a step back before you can go forward."

Gordon takes some comfort in knowing that he really hasn't been needed. Of the team's five wins in his absence, three have been blowouts and another was a complete game by Jon Lieber. Rhodes got the lone save in Sunday's 12-10 win over Washington.

"The way we're playing, good things are happening on the field," Gordon said. "The offense has taken the pressure off us. We're hoping for the best. I just hope I can get out there as soon as possible. I would love to have been back this week. They want to give myself a chance to get this thing totally squared away and get it as strong as I can."

Arizona bound: Gavin Floyd is one of seven Phillies prospects scheduled to play in the Arizona Fall League, the team announced on Monday. They'll play for the Peoria Saguaros.

After winning a rotation spot with a stellar final three Spring Training starts, Floyd stumbled during an 11-start audition. He compiled a 7.29 ERA while going 4-3. He allowed 102 baserunners in 54 1/3 innings, including 14 home runs.

Sent to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre with the hope that he'll regain his confidence, the right-hander has gone 7-4 with a 4.00 ERA with the Red Barons, and shown some progress.

"He seems to have a more consistent delivery," said Mike Arbuckle, the team's assistant general manager, scouting and player development. "That's the prime thing that we've liked. But he's still pitching behind in the count more than we would like.

"He's still young and still has real good stuff. It's a matter of him making continued progress. His confidence is better. I think he's made progress on that front."

Since Floyd will have pitched close to 200 innings by the end of the season, the team has decided to send him to Arizona for winter ball because of its more controlled atmosphere.

"It's structured so that he won't see as many innings," Arbuckle said. "Starters only go a maximum of four to five innings. We feel it's a good in-between place versus a more competitive winter ball setting. I don't want him going down and overextending himself in an ultra-competitive environment.

"From a confidence and aggressive standpoint, that's an area he has to continue to work on, until he gets to a point where his confidence is where it needs to be. We want him to come back to the big leagues and stay. We want him to come back [up] and stay."

Floyd's teammates on the Saguaros will be: right-hander Joe Bisenius, left-hander Gio Gonzalez, left-hander J.A. Happ, right-hander Kyle Kendrick, right-hander Zack Segovia and catcher Jason Jaramillo.

Philling in: The Phillies' playoff run hurts Floyd's chances of receiving a September callup. If he is summoned, it would be mostly as an observer. ... "It's tough to bring him under those circumstances," Arbuckle said. "It isn't player development time. We need to win." ... If Jimmy Rollins reaches 20 homers (he has 19 after a two-run shot Monday night), he and Chase Utley will become the first double-play combination in team history to each have 20 homers. They would also become the first combo to do it since 2001, when shortstop Rich Aurilia (37 homers) and second baseman Jeff Kent (22) did it for San Francisco.

Coming up: Moyer will be making his first start for the Phillies on Tuesday -- against the Cubs at Wrigley Field -- in what will be his first start for a team other than the Mariners since 1996. He suffered from a lack of run support in compiling the 6-12 record in Seattle, and the Phillies are happy to have his experience in their rotation.

One concern with Moyer lies in his road ERA. In 2005, he had a 2.91 mark at home and a 6.11 ERA away from spacious Safeco Field. The trend continued in 2006, though not as strongly, which raises questions about the transition to hitter-friendly Citizens Bank Park.

For now, he doesn't have to worry about his home yard, as he takes the same mound he did when he defeated Steve Carlton in his Major League debut.


Gordon should be back next week. I've been trying to find out who the call-ups are to replace Gordon and Rowand on the roster but the Phillies have not posted anything yet.

As far as the Gavin Floyd stuff at the end of the article, he's nearing the end of his rope. He really has to come out of the AFL looking very strong to the point where he can compete for a job, or he may be done. The Phillies have a strong class of pitching prospects from AA all the way down to the GCL who are slowly rising through the ranks and ready to pass him.

This could be his last opportunity to get a permanent spot on the roster come next spring training.

[domelogic]

i completely agree with floyd. i just hope they dont fuck up gio's arm by pitching him to much.

they need someone to close and rhodes isnt the answer but then i dont think madson is either. this is going to be one tough position to fill cuz in my opinion gordon isnt as healthy as they are claiming. we will find out.

just checked the phils website and still no answer as to who is replacing rowand or gordon

[Kyle]

Phillies fill roster spots
08/22/2006 5:02 PM ET
MLB.com

Outfielder Michael Bourn was recalled and second baseman Joe Thurston had his contract purchased, both from triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, to fill the roster spots of outfielder Aaron Rowand and righthander Tom Gordon, the Phillies announced today. Rowand and Gordon were both placed on the disabled list.
Bourn, 23, hit a combined .274 with five home runs, 41 RBI and 45 stolen bases for double-A Reading and Scranton. He leads all Phillies minor leaguers in stolen bases and triples (13). Bourn made his major league debut with the Phillies on July 30 in the second game of a doubleheader. He flew out in his only major league at-bat.

Prior to his recall, Bourn was with the USA Olympic qualifying team in Kissimmee, Fla.

Thurston, 26, went to spring training with the Phillies as a non-roster invitee. He hit .282 with nine home runs, 55 RBI and 20 stolen bases in 127 games for Scranton. Thurston spent parts of the 2002, 2003 and 2004 seasons in the major leagues with the Dodgers. He is a career .275 (11-40) hitter in 37 major league games.

The addition of Thurston puts the Phillies at 39 players on their 40-man roster.

This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


Bourn's a decent prospect. Thurston's more of just a body but could be ok as a bench player.

But this has just come across the wire which probably means one of these guys are going back down:

Pirates send IF Hernandez across state to Phillies
Associated Press


ATLANTA -- The Pittsburgh Pirates traded utility infielder Jose Hernandez to the Philadelphia Phillies for cash Tuesday.

The Pirates planned to replace Hernandez on their active roster before Wednesday night's game. The trade left the team one man short for Tuesday night's game against the Atlanta Braves.


The 37-year-old Hernandez hit .267 with two homers and 12 RBIs in 67 games with the Pirates. He made 10 starts at first base and six at shortstop while also starting at second base, third base and right field.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press



Hernandez was at one time a strong power hitter. He can play some OF and give them a little pop off the bench. A decent move to help the bench considering they didn't give anything up.

[Kid Brock]

Remember when the Brewers had to sit Hernandez like the last 2 months of a season so he wouldn't break the single season strikeout record? He had a decent year with the Cubs a long time ago, but he has a huge hole in his swing that is easy to expose.

[Kyle]

Remember when the Brewers had to sit Hernandez like the last 2 months of a season so he wouldn't break the single season strikeout record? He had a decent year with the Cubs a long time ago, but he has a huge hole in his swing that is easy to expose.

True, but he's not going to be counted on as anything more than a pinch-hitter or defensive replacement.

He's the typical "will make pitchers pay for their mistakes" type of hitter. He can hit bad pitches, but if you make good ones, he's easy to get out.

That's fine as far as a guy coming off the bench for the Phillies. He's going to be third or fourth guy off the bench anyway.

His 3-year average from 2003-2005 is .240, 11 HRs, 39 RBI...decent for a bench guy, but like you said, strikeouts are a big problem with him



By the way, I love (and by that I mean hate) the retards trashing Rowand today for trying to make a play on that ball and "almost injuring Utley." The guy deserves a ton of respect for trying to make a play on that. He's fearless in CF and the best one the Phils have had since Dykstra.

[Aizazzle]

By the way, I love (and by that I mean hate) the retards trashing Rowand today for trying to make a play on that ball and "almost injuring Utley." The guy deserves a ton of respect for trying to make a play on that. He's fearless in CF and the best one the Phils have had since Dykstra.

Couldn't agree with you more on the Rowand the guy sacrificed himself and yet...............:icon_mad:

[MilkmanDan]

The answer at closer was the guy they fucking traded for no good reason, Cormier. Except for one bad season he had a consistently low ERA from being a sneaky pitcher. Throwing pitches when guys werent ready but still in the box, etc. Loved it.
I'd use Wolf for the closer right now. He might have to change his role if he wants to stick around.

All being said, Phils took the first 2 from the Cubs with their best 2 pitchers coming up, Moyer looked good.

[Kyle]

The answer at closer was the guy they fucking traded for no good reason, Cormier. Except for one bad season he had a consistently low ERA from being a sneaky pitcher. Throwing pitches when guys werent ready but still in the box, etc. Loved it.
I'd use Wolf for the closer right now. He might have to change his role if he wants to stick around.

All being said, Phils took the first 2 from the Cubs with their best 2 pitchers coming up, Moyer looked good.

You can't use Wolf, because then you're stuck with Mathieson back in the rotation.

Madson and Rhodes is fine short term. If Gordon doesn't come back next week, then it's a problem.

The guy I'd like to see them use in the short term is Fultz. He's always seen to have solid stuff and I think he's a flat out better pitcher than Rhodes.

[Kyle]

Absolute gem of a start by Myers. Pretty amazing considering how awful he looked to start the game, but he settled down and pitched great.

1.5 out now, with only 1 GB in the loss column and the Reds are headed to the West Coast this weekend.

If they can finish off the Cubs and then take 2 of 3 at Shea this weekend, they'll be sitting nice heading into the final 32 games, all of which are against losing teams.

Oh, and the Howard HR watch is at 44. Papi hit #45 for the Sox tonight to cling to the MLB lead. But still, just four more to break Schmidt's franchise record.

If Howard doesn't win the MVP it is an absolute crime against humanity.

Tomorrow's the game to watch. Hamels vs. Zambrano should be a great matchup.

[Towelie]

If Howard doesn't win the MVP it is an absolute crime against humanity.

There is no way Howard is more deserving of the MVP over Pujols or Beltran

In the last 20 years or so only 2 people have lead the league in HR and won the MVP, that was Bonds and Kevin Mitchell

Besides that Howard doesnt have a leg to stand on

He's probably the worst defensive player in the league

He cant hit with runners in scoring position (.241 avg)

Terrible baserunner

Plus Beltran plays for the best team in the league and the Cards should take the central

Sorry, the NL MVP is going to either be Beltran or Pujols

[Aizazzle]

There is no way Howard is more deserving of the MVP over Pujols or Beltran
Sorry, the NL MVP is going to either be Beltran or Pujols

Yes there is a way Howard wins the NL MVP if the Phillies make the playoffs .

Ryan Howard has carried a team like the Phillies that has went through drastic changes this year they have completely changed some of the franchise. In the beginning of the year there was Sal Fasano, Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle now there is Delluci, Moyer and Chris Coste. Howard and Utley have been the only great consistent players .

Ryan Howard 44HR 113RBI
Carlos Beltran 36HR 103RBI

Howard is leading Beltran by more than 5 in both catogries

Ryan Howard .292 BA
Carlos Beltran .286 BA

Ryan Howard 135 Hits
Carlos Beltran 120 Hits

I could hear a case about Pujols but not about Beltran . Why because where would the Mets be w/o Beltran they would still lead the division by 5-6 games.
Where would the Phillies be w/o Ryan Howard somewhere as a Phillies fan I wouldn't want to know which means 15-20 games under .500

[domelogic]

There is no way Howard is more deserving of the MVP over Pujols or Beltran

In the last 20 years or so only 2 people have lead the league in HR and won the MVP, that was Bonds and Kevin Mitchell

Besides that Howard doesnt have a leg to stand on

He's probably the worst defensive player in the league

He cant hit with runners in scoring position (.241 avg)

Terrible baserunner

Plus Beltran plays for the best team in the league and the Cards should take the central

Sorry, the NL MVP is going to either be Beltran or Pujols

wow i guess howard just sucks and we should trade him. nice number with runners in scoring position but if you ask any phillies fan about his clutch hits you would probably find that we havent had a hitter like that in a long time. kind of reminds me of ortiz. yeah i know how great a baserunner pujols is so lets make sure that keeps him from winning anything. exactly how are you going to prove he is the worst defensive player in the league? i am not saying he will win a gold glove but we all know that doesnt mean shit when it comes to winning the mvp

i would love to know what kind of numbers howard would put up with the protection that both pujols and beltran have. he hasnt had anyone protect him all year. this thing about having to be on a playoff team is bullshit, especially when you have 8 other players making a difference night after night. i never liked that arguement and it never should be used. would you deny a guy who wins the triple crown the mvp because the rest of his team wasnt very good?

now i am not knocking either player especially pujols who is far and above beltran. he did everything he could in the beginning of the season to put that team in first with a big lead. now he is still doing all he can and his team is sliding. is that his fault? his numbers are still great but there is a very good chance they dont win that division. if they dont i guess he cant win the mvp in your opinion.

anyway i say if howard hits .300 puts up 50hr and knocks in 130rbi he probably should win.

kyle i believe he needs five to break the record. schmidt hit 48 i think in 1980

[MilkmanDan]

In all fairness Howard is a very young player, this is basically his first whole season and shouldnt even be discussed in the same sentence as MVP, but he is. Baserunning, etc will improve with age. There isnt a team in the league that wouldnt be willing to overlook some of these minor shortcomings to have him on their team. Shame the Phils arent an AL team, could've had him and Thome in the lineup at 1B and DH.

Myers was making me nervous last night but he started returning to old form a couple innings in, was good to see. Hamels tonight, we have a chance to sweep this series if he continues his recent domination.

[Aizazzle]

Milkman just so you don't miss the game it's at 2:20pm . I really don't want to you to be all disappointed when you turn on the t.v at 7 or 8 and there is no baseball

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Yes there is a way Howard wins the NL MVP if the Phillies make the playoffs .

Ryan Howard has carried a team like the Phillies that has went through drastic changes this year they have completely changed some of the franchise. In the beginning of the year there was Sal Fasano, Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle now there is Delluci, Moyer and Chris Coste. Howard and Utley have been the only great consistent players .

Ryan Howard 44HR 113RBI
Carlos Beltran 36HR 103RBI

Howard is leading Beltran by more than 5 in both catogries

Ryan Howard .292 BA
Carlos Beltran .286 BA

Ryan Howard 135 Hits
Carlos Beltran 120 Hits



I could hear a case about Pujols but not about Beltran . Why because where would the Mets be w/o Beltran they would still lead the division by 5-6 games.
Where would the Phillies be w/o Ryan Howard somewhere as a Phillies fan I wouldn't want to know which means 15-20 games under .500

Take a look a thier Intentional Walks, its not even close. That should give you a good idea of what other teams think of Howard. They are not going to give him the chance to beat them unless they have no other choice...

Through Last Night
Pujols - 20
Howard - 17
Beltran - 4

The amazing thing is that Bonds is leading the league again with 36 in an off year for him...

[Kyle]

There is no way Howard is more deserving of the MVP over Pujols or Beltran

In the last 20 years or so only 2 people have lead the league in HR and won the MVP, that was Bonds and Kevin Mitchell

Besides that Howard doesnt have a leg to stand on

He's probably the worst defensive player in the league

He cant hit with runners in scoring position (.241 avg)

Terrible baserunner

Plus Beltran plays for the best team in the league and the Cards should take the central

Sorry, the NL MVP is going to either be Beltran or Pujols

It's not going to be Beltran. He has the worst stats of the three, and actually means the less to his team of the three. Without Howard or Pujols, the Phils or Cards don't have a shot at the playoffs this year. Beltran does have that nice NY media bias going for him. But he finishes third in the voting at this point.

So it's between Pujols and Howard. As of right now, Pujols has the edge. For one thing, he's hitting .329. And the Cards would win the Central if the season ended today, while the Phils would be out.

If the Phillies win the Wild Card, though, there's no question it should be Howard. The Phils trade, arguably, their best player at the deadline and are dead in the water, under .500 and something like 7 GB and behind 7-8 teams in the Wild Card. And with Howard taking over as the focal point of the offense, the Phils make this unbelievable run. That, combined with his numbers should give him the edge.

Don't get me wrong though, MVP voting is completely biased. I think he SHOULD win, but he won't...not this year.

But the one thing that may happen that I hate to break to you is that if the Phils make the playoffs, Charlie Manuel may steal manager of the year from Willie Randolph. Wait, did I really just type that? :icon_eek: Nevertheless, it's a distinct possibility.

[Towelie]

It's not going to be Beltran. He has the worst stats of the three, and actually means the less to his team of the three. Without Howard or Pujols, the Phils or Cards don't have a shot at the playoffs this year. Beltran does have that nice NY media bias going for him. But he finishes third in the voting at this point.

So it's between Pujols and Howard. As of right now, Pujols has the edge. For one thing, he's hitting .329. And the Cards would win the Central if the season ended today, while the Phils would be out.

Howard has better stats then Beltran?

Really...Beltran has a 1.012 OPS, Howard has a .999

Beltran has more doubles, triples, stolen bases, hasnt struck out anywhere near the numbers Howard has, a better OBP, a better Slugging %

Like I said, HR leader usually doesnt win the award

Remember the ARod/Ortiz battle last year? Defense is a big factor...Beltran could be a gold glover this season, Howard is the worst defensive player in the National League

NY Media bias? So youre saying that all the Philly voters wont vote for Howard? Or are you just making another asinine statement?

You are in for a massive let down if you think Howard will finish any higher then 3rd

But the one thing that may happen that I hate to break to you is that if the Phils make the playoffs, Charlie Manuel may steal manager of the year from Willie Randolph. Wait, did I really just type that? :icon_eek: Nevertheless, it's a distinct possibility.

Its going to be Joe Girardi, especially if the Marlins can finish over .500

Would I give up manager of the year and the MVP for the World Series? Absolutely

Oh, look who ESPN is prediciting for the NL Cy Young

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

[domelogic]

ok towlie we get it, you dont like the phils. i would bet just about anything that if howard had the protection your beloved beltran has had all season, his numbers would be even higher. again he had no one protecting him all season. which makes beltrans average actually not look that great. compare the two if you want but beltran plays the outfield and should have more doubles, triples and stolen bases. no great accomplishment there considering the stature of the two players.

2006 Philadelphia Phillies 123 462 75 135 16 1 44 113 285 66 145 0 0 .382 .617 .292

2006 New York Mets 113 420 97 120 32 1 36 103 262 71 80 15 3 .388 .624 .286

as we take a closer look to your beloved player, the ops you mentioned isnt even on the first page of stats which renders it not that important. he has him in triples by one, wait he only has one. so lets look head to head:

beltran leads in runs scored, doubles, walks, less strikeouts, stolen bases
howard leads in average, hits, homers, rbi's, total bases

it is about even for on base percentage and slugging percentage, hell i will even say there averages are just about even.


btw ortiz didnt win the mvp because he didnt play the field period. it would never have come down to how well they played if he had just played. and exactly how do you derive that howard is the worst fielder in the league?

you can dislike the team cuz you follow the mets but lets be a little realistic and say the guy has a shot. now heres to hoping the mets dont make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

[Towelie]

Honestly this isnt a Mets/Philly thing

If I were to pick an MVP I'd give it to Reyes, but he doesnt have the huge numbers to get enough first place votes

Hes going to have 30 2B, 20 3B, 20 HR, 70 SB, 90 RBI and close to a .300 AVG which is numbers that are unheard of

I mean last night he became only the 2nd player ever (Juan Samuel was the first) to have 20 2B, 15 3B and 15 HR and 50 SB

Reyes is easily the Mets team MVP, when he doesnt play the team doesnt go

[Bob]

Well not even the end of the third and its a blowout 9-1, maybe we can pull off what the Indians did last night. :icon_roll:

[domelogic]

Honestly this isnt a Mets/Philly thing

If I were to pick an MVP I'd give it to Reyes, but he doesnt have the huge numbers to get enough first place votes

Hes going to have 30 2B, 20 3B, 20 HR, 70 SB, 90 RBI and close to a .300 AVG which is numbers that are unheard of

I mean last night he became only the 2nd player ever (Juan Samuel was the first) to have 20 2B, 15 3B and 15 HR and 50 SB

Reyes is easily the Mets team MVP, when he doesnt play the team doesnt go


now that i would absolutely agree with. for some reason he isnt getting the respect that some of his teammates are getting. he was a big prospect and is showing why met fans wanted to see him playing at shea. there is not many mets players i like but he is one of them and alot of fun to watch(of course when they arent playing the phils)

i still think pujols has the lead for mvp.

[MilkmanDan]

Thanks for the headsup Aizazzle, I would've tuned in at 7.
Its weird the one game of this series I thought the Phils would have in the books and we're getting rocked.
As for MVP, I dont think there's a clearcut candidate this year. It is gonna come down to the standings at the end of the season

[Kid Brock]

Go figure the Cubs get to start a non-rookie and they are competitive in a game. F'n Cubs have damn near 60 starts from rookies this year.

[Kyle]

Well, Hamels was due to get lit up today. He is still a rookie after all.

Two of three at Shea and the Phils are still in the drivers seat of the Wild Card based solely on their schedule down the stretch.

[Aizazzle]

Thanks for the headsup Aizazzle, I would've tuned in at 7.
Its weird the one game of this series I thought the Phils would have in the books and we're getting rocked.
As for MVP, I dont think there's a clearcut candidate this year. It is gonna come down to the standings at the end of the season

Hey man I'am sorry for giving you a heads up for this game . I was hoping this was going to be a good pitching match-up but I was wrong . But I'am glad they took 3 out of 4 . I mean obviously I would have wanted the brooms to come out but I willl take 3 .

Ryan Howard for MVP : Pujols has a slight edge over him but if the Phillies make the playoffs we will have ourselves a MVP for $355,000 . Can NY or St.Louis say that ??? We potentially have aa MVP for $355,000 but yet we pay $17 million to that no-life Pat Burrell

[domelogic]

great job by the bullpen tonite. i cant believe that charlie actually pulled wolf in the 6th the way he should have. that is very unlike him to make a correct pitching move.

another suprise by uncle charlie was the way he went after the homeplate umpire after he absolutely blew a call. endy was way out of the batters box, in fair play and got hit with the ball which is an automatic out. the ump didnt call him out and never asked for help which is a crime. but passion by charlie shocked me as i thought he was coaching while in a coma.

howard smacks another homer, has 3 rbi and basically wins the game offensively for the phils. he almost hit another in the first inning, which he and i both thought was gone.

two games over five hundred and a good shot at another win tomorrow with perez pitching for the mets.

[Kyle]

Perez, despite his awful stats, could give the Phillies some trouble tomorrow.

He could come out completely wild and get bounced within an inning. But if he's actually found his stuff, the Phils will struggle a little bit. When he was pitching well a couple years ago, he gave left-handed hitters fits.

Looks like Cincinnati will lose tonight, barring a 9th inning rally. The Padres lost too. The Phils pull even with the Pads and get back to 1.5 back of the Reds.

[Towelie]

Dont discount Perez

The Pirates tried to turn him into a finesse pitcher and the Mets have turned him back into a power pitcher

He struggled in his first 2 starts at AAA, but his last 2 starts have been dominant:

13.0 IP
6 H
1 ER
3 BB
18 K

[MilkmanDan]

Dont discount Perez

The Pirates tried to turn him into a finesse pitcher and the Mets have turned him back into a power pitcher

He struggled in his first 2 starts at AAA, but his last 2 starts have been dominant:

13.0 IP
6 H
1 ER
3 BB
18 K

That is pretty impressive. Who's going up tonight, Lieber? If so he's been dominating since they switched Chris Coste to his catcher, and if its Moyer the Mets havent seen him this year (I dont think they played Seattle).
Can we just start Chris Coste every night btw? I know Lieberthal makes alot of money but the guys playing great. I think he talks to the batters in that Fargo, ND accent and everyones just like "aww schucks"

[Kyle]

I like the Coste/Lieberthal platoon.

It's helped both guys, and both guys are playing well.

[domelogic]

Dont discount Perez

The Pirates tried to turn him into a finesse pitcher and the Mets have turned him back into a power pitcher

He struggled in his first 2 starts at AAA, but his last 2 starts have been dominant:

13.0 IP
6 H
1 ER
3 BB
18 K


oh shit i didnt look at his last few starts just his overall stats. with numbers like that it is safe to say the pirates didnt know what they were doing with him. well heres hoping to him having an off night.

[Bob]

Was talked about all week and it finally happened, Great move, but not a great club house guy.

Extra depth
Phillies acquire veteran Conine from Orioles

BALTIMORE (AP) -- Jeff Conine was traded to Philadelphia from the Baltimore Orioles on Sunday, a deal that provides the Phillies with a solid right-handed bat and veteran leadership in their drive to earn a wild-card berth.

The Orioles sent Conine and cash to Philadelphia for a player to be named. The deal was completed during the seventh inning of Baltimore's 5-4 win over Tampa Bay on Sunday.

The trade was not announced until after the Orioles' game, and Conine found out about it when he walked off the field.

Conine drove in two runs, including the tying run in his final at-bat with the Orioles. He's hitting .265 with nine homers and 49 at-bats. He's played left field this season and spent some time at first base.

Conine comes to the Phillies with two World Series rings. He earned them with the Florida Marlins in 1997 and 2003.

"I hope I can lend some experience, having been through it a couple times," Conine said. "But it's all about production on the field, helping them win."

The Orioles were hesitant to part with Conine, but were happy to see him get a chance to get another shot at reaching the postseason, given that Baltimore long ago dropped out of playoff contention.

"I think it's a good fit," said Jim Duquette, the Orioles vice president of baseball operations. "Obviously it's bittersweet for us because of what he did for the organization and the production we got out of him, especially the last couple of months.

"It's a good opportunity for him to go on at the tail end of his career. You don't have many opportunities to go on and play in the playoffs."

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[mikeybot]

It's nice to see that they're actually making some moves with the intent of actually making the playoffs.

Unlike past teams with a certain GM.

[Aizazzle]

It's good to see the Phillies make some moves.

Now only if Gillick could trade Burrell and his $17 million burden he would be the G.M of the year .

Jeff Conine :
AVG .265 | HR 9 | RBI 49 | OBP .325 | SLG .401

Don't mind these numbers at all

Gillick is the Savior

[mikeybot]

You can't trade something that no one wants(especially that salary).

[Kyle]

People are a little too harsh on Burrell. The guy has always been overpaid (which Ed Wade should be blamed for, not the player), but I think a lot of his struggles this year are because he's been playing hurt pretty much all year.

I know he's never been fast or created much movement, but there is a reason he looks like he can barely move in the outfield. He's hurt and he's been that way all year.

You look at what he did when he was healthy last year, he was fine. .285, 32 HR, 117 RBI.

And he's still on pace for 30 HR and 100 RBI this season, which is solid from the 4th most important guy in the lineup.

Don't get me wrong...the contract he got from Ed Wade was horrendous...but if he can get healthy in the offseason, I'm fine with him as the LF, provided they address other needs instead.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Like the Conine move, I just hope that he doesn't resume his role as a Phillie Killer...

[Aizazzle]

People are a little too harsh on Burrell. The guy has always been overpaid (which Ed Wade should be blamed for, not the player), but I think a lot of his struggles this year are because he's been playing hurt pretty much all year.

I know he's never been fast or created much movement, but there is a reason he looks like he can barely move in the outfield. He's hurt and he's been that way all year.

You look at what he did when he was healthy last year, he was fine. .285, 32 HR, 117 RBI.

And he's still on pace for 30 HR and 100 RBI this season, which is solid from the 4th most important guy in the lineup.

Don't get me wrong...the contract he got from Ed Wade was horrendous...but if he can get healthy in the offseason, I'm fine with him as the LF, provided they address other needs instead.

Dude Kyle I know I'am harsh on Burrell. The only reason is because I can't stand when he stands up there in the clutch and doesn't swing or when ever there is RISP he almost never delievers .

You saw a perfect example of that when Papelbon gave him no respect: Phillies vs Red Sox I mean he is the least desirable 30HR 100RBI's guy.

I'am would be fine with Burrell even if he puts the ball in play instead of the I don't care attituide when he doesn't swing .( 2nd game vs Mets 1st Inning runners on 2nd and 3rd and he strikes out again I didn't even have to watch the at-bat as soon as he came up to plate I went upstairs because i diodn't want to use bad language in front of little kids who were in the house at that time . I mean I knew he was going to fucking strike out ..

As far as you being fine with LF if they address other needs like 3B and Catcher . I would be fine with that because the Phillies will pick up Conine's contract and that means les of Burrell

[Kyle]

The wheels have kind of fallen off the Reds in the last week as they've been struggling out West.

The team to keep an eye on, though, is Florida. The Phillies have 10 games with them in September and the Marlins have made an incredible push to get back in this again and get to only two games back of the Reds. Of those 10, seven are on the road.

That's the string of games that will make or break this season for the Phils.

I've been watching these teams trying to handicap this race, and it's led me to a few conclusions:

-The Reds are nothing more than their record indicates. If nobody gets hot and everyone just kind of waddles around .500 the rest of the year, they'll win the Wild Card with 82 or 83 wins. They're just an unspectacular team.

-The Phillies and Marlins are the two best teams of the bunch. One of these teams is probably going to get hot and win the Wild Card with around 86 wins (give or take a win). Who that ends up being depends on those 10 games between the two. Given the way both teams have played all year (streaky) I don't see an even 5-5 split in the series, or a 6-4. I think one team catches a wave and rails off 7 or 8 victories, effectively eliminating the other team and propelling themselves to the Wild Card.

I just hope this is the year the Phils don't hit a September road block. Gillick's made the right moves to give this team an edge.

[Aizazzle]

The wheels have kind of fallen off the Reds in the last week as they've been struggling out West.

The team to keep an eye on, though, is Florida. The Phillies have 10 games with them in September and the Marlins have made an incredible push to get back in this again and get to only two games back of the Reds. Of those 10, seven are on the road.

That's the string of games that will make or break this season for the Phils.

-The Phillies and Marlins are the two best teams of the bunch. One of these teams is probably going to get hot and win the Wild Card with around 86 wins (give or take a win). Who that ends up being depends on those 10 games between the two. Given the way both teams have played all year (streaky) I don't see an even 5-5 split in the series, or a 6-4. I think one team catches a wave and rails off 7 or 8 victories, effectively eliminating the other team and propelling themselves to the Wild Card.

I just hope this is the year the Phils don't hit a September road block. Gillick's made the right moves to give this team an edge.

Gillick has certainly given them the edge that they need .Jamie Moyer and Jeff Conine are both guys who are veterans and Conine has the two rings. Let's hope that Conine has a lot motivation when he faces his old team the Marlins and he does to the Marlins what he did to the Phillies a couple of years ago ..

The Phillies are 42-32 against teams teams that are under .500 . I say the need to have a higher winning pct that that if they want to win the Wild Card .

I hope they are not going to hit a road block . But if the Phillies win the Wil Card they will need Chase Utley to get hot again

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Rumor has it that the Phillies are looking at another former Marlin, Juan Pierre. Has anyone else heard that?

[Kyle]

Pat "Mr. Baseball" Burrell with a two out bases-loaded hit to give the Phils a 2-0 lead.

And you guys say he's not clutch...:action-sm

[Kyle]

#48! Schmidty is about to become a ghost.

And it was a hell of shot to straight away center

[mikeybot]

Nice. Come on Arizona and LA

[Wilmington WOW]

number 48
the man is a GOD

MVP, MVP, MVP

[Aizazzle]

In honor of Howard I have changed my sig . I think I have a fucking man crush on him( No Homo) . He is God in Philly.

In fact :
Infact He Is God .

[MilkmanDan]

#48! Schmidty is about to become a ghost.

And it was a hell of shot to straight away center

No way, best 3rd baseman of all time, was as good defensively as he was at the plate. And if he grew up to be a young player in this league eating burgers made from steroid-fed cows and shit, he'd be pumping out another 200 hr's. He was the best.
The wildcard race is so tight right now, getting me nervous. Want to see them pull this out

[Aizazzle]

No way, best 3rd baseman of all time, was as good defensively as he was at the plate. And if he grew up to be a young player in this league eating burgers made from steroid-fed cows and shit, he'd be pumping out another 200 hr's. He was the best.


Are you trying to say that eating burger leads you to hit HR's ??
Because if that is the case then I would fucking break every hitting record in the fucking league

Best 3rd Baseman I can agree with that . If Schimdt worked out like Howard maybe he would have

[Kyle]

No way, best 3rd baseman of all time, was as good defensively as he was at the plate. And if he grew up to be a young player in this league eating burgers made from steroid-fed cows and shit, he'd be pumping out another 200 hr's. He was the best.
The wildcard race is so tight right now, getting me nervous. Want to see them pull this out

Easy there, champ :action-sm ...it was just a bit of a joke.

Schmidt is the best all around 3B. He's the best offensively, easily.

Defensively, I'd say he's was the third best. Brooks Robinson and Scott Rolen are/were better defensive 3Bs.

I don't think Rolen can hit 500 HRs, but if he gets over 400, the guy should be a hall of famer. He's got to reach some plateau offensively to get in which is why I say he has to crack 400 HRs, but he honestly deserves to be in based solely on defense.

[Bob]

Rumor has it that the Phillies are looking at another former Marlin, Juan Pierre. Has anyone else heard that?

from phillies.com

Juan Pierre? Less than a month after selling Abreu, David Bell, Cory Lidle, Rheal Cormier and Ryan Franklin, the resurgent Phillies have become buyers for a September push, adding Jamie Moyer, Hernandez and Conine.

A baseball source said the Phillies and Cubs have discussed Juan Pierre, but stresed that nothing is imminent, and that a deal doesn't appear likely. The speedy defender could step in for Rowand and allow Victorino to shift back to right. Pierre, a free agent at the end of the season, is earning $5.75 million this season.

The deadline to add players who would be eligible for the postseason is Thursday at midnight ET.

[Kyle]

Phils win and Padres win meaning the Pads stay .5 up.

Nothing really to worry about. They're tied in the loss column which means the Phils control their own destiny at this point.

The Reds play the Dodgers later tonight and look to be fading fast. (Not surprising. Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight gave them the kiss of death by saying they'd win the Central).

And the Marlins are tied 5-5 with the Cardinals. A win tonight gets them to .500. Hopefully that doesn't occur.

Shaping up to be a good race.

[Kyle]

Just some notes from the last few days:

-The Phils called up Carlos Ruiz to make sure he'd be eligible for the playoff roster in case either Lieberthal or Coste were to get hurt.

-Tom Gordon could return as soon as tomorrow.

-Charlie Manuel announced he believed 85 wins would take the NL Wild Card. The Phils would have to go 18-12 from here on out to hit that mark.

-Manuel also announced he'll use Dellucci and Conine in a platoon, at least for now, in RF down the stretch since Dellucci has been struggling as of late

-Today's the last day to set playoff rosters and the Phils are rumored (emphasis on that word) to be looking at Juan Pierre and middle relief help before the deadline.

-Tommorrow are September call-ups.

[Aizazzle]

Just some notes from the last few days:

-The Phils called up Carlos Ruiz to make sure he'd be eligible for the playoff roster in case either Lieberthal or Coste were to get hurt.

-Tom Gordon could return as soon as tomorrow.

-Charlie Manuel announced he believed 85 wins would take the NL Wild Card. The Phils would have to go 18-12 from here on out to hit that mark.

-Manuel also announced he'll use Dellucci and Conine in a platoon, at least for now, in RF down the stretch since Dellucci has been struggling as of late

-Today's the last day to set playoff rosters and the Phils are rumored (emphasis on that word) to be looking at Juan Pierre and middle relief help before the deadline.

-Tommorrow are September call-ups.


Tom Gordon returning is good news . I hope he is the Gordon we saw before the All-Star Break

I would rather see a platoon of Burrell and Conine instead of Delluci and Conine . Then again this could be due to my Burrell hate .

I say it takes 87 wins to get the wild card (it's a prediction ) I think it is going to be a 3 three team race Marlins:icon_eek: ($14 million payroll and Burrell himself makes $17million ,Phillie and Padres ..

If Rowand is not coming back and if the Phillies make the playoffs that is the only way the Phillies should go after Pierre . Hopefully Pierre and Conine do to the Marlins what they did to us a couple of years ago.

I'am interested to see who the Phillies call-up

[Kyle]

Rowand is out for the regular season, and questionable if they make the playoffs.

Pierre probably comes with a high-price tag in terms of prospects. I'm fine with Victorino full-time. The only reason I'd make a play for Pierre is to block another team in the Wild Card race if the Phils found out someone was close to making a deal for him.

[Kyle]

And THERE'S #49!

Ladies and Gentlemen, your new franchise HR king.

[Ballbuster1]

Fuck! I had some shit to do around the house and took the dog for
a walk and totally missed it. Congrats to Howard. :clap:

[ih8Uboo-boo]

way to go arthur...:cussing

**EDIT**

fuck you Lieberthal and the bullpen...

[Aizazzle]

way to go arthur...:cussing

**EDIT**

fuck you Lieberthal and the bullpen...


:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:

I feel MISERABLE AGAIN

[Aizazzle]

I say the Phillies are breaking out the brooms in this one . The Phillies take 4 out of 4 .

The Philies send out Lieber 6-9 (5.09ERA) vs Oscar Villarreal (9-1 4.17ERA) but Oscar's last appearence was a 4-run three innings. The last time Lieber pitched against the Braves on Sept 22 2005 and had 8 shutout innings . Lets hope he has a good outing...

[Kyle]

Nothing's going to get broken out...prepare for rainouts this weekend.

Who the hell knows when or how they'll make games up, especially with a double-header scheduled tomorrow that'll like get rained out too.

[Aizazzle]

Nothing's going to get broken out...prepare for rainouts this weekend.

Who the hell knows when or how they'll make games up, especially with a double-header scheduled tomorrow that'll like get rained out too.

Sorry to hear that ..............
Does this mean we will get to see smackdown or will it be the good ol re-run of some stupid show.

I'am interested to see how they will make these games up .

[SpecialEd]

congrats to howard, he is the man. as far as callups, they caled brito back up, he did well the end of last season, im supprised they havent tried him more earlier int he season, also matheson was called back up. thats kinda scary but im sure he is a backup or they will throw him in the pen. lets go phillies!

[domelogic]

ok i go away for work for a week and i come back to ryan howard as the MVP!!

wow what a week for him and i had to miss every fucking game. thanks to you guys posting i had the chance to catch up a little.

i said 50hr 130 rbi and .300 ave gets the man the mvp award

great move with conine, i guess you can buy good leadership

[ih8Uboo-boo]

they still have a series left with the braves. they should have moved this series to atlanta and played that series here.

[ProfessorAnt]

tough loss this afternoon. Rhodes is throwing like shit. I can't stand watching him pitch. I miss Gordon...I hope we don't lose the wild card by one game, because both of the last 2 games were in the fucking bank. One more game today and a double header tomorrow. I'll be at tomorrow's game getting shitfaced.

[Kyle]

I went to the night cap tonight. They more than made up for the debacle this afternoon with the beatdown they put on the Braves.

The good news, though, is that Gordon will be back with the team tomorrow or Monday by the latest.

Even though it's extremely tough to do, a double-header sweep tomorrow would be pretty sweet.

[Mick32]

Howard just hit his 50th off Tim Hudson.

[domelogic]

can you say MVP!!!!!!! gotta love the call by harry

[Kyle]

The HR count is up to 52 now...he just hit his 3rd of the day.

What the hell is Tim Hudson thinking, ever giving this guy something to hit?

[mikeybot]

Congratulations to Ryan Howard on #'s 50, 51 and 52

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

But really after the first two, they should have just started walking him.

[domelogic]

what the fuck is manuel doing? he brings in a guy who hasnt been put in a close situation all year(his own doing) having pitched two innings last night to close the game out. what a dumb fuck he is. now it looks like we will lose 3 of the last 4 by giving up leads in the nineth. he just doesnt know what to do with pitchers.

[mikeybot]

Wow, I can't belive that they pulled that one out.
Coste's slide/dodge was clutch.

[Kyle]

what the fuck is manuel doing? he brings in a guy who hasnt been put in a close situation all year(his own doing) having pitched two innings last night to close the game out. what a dumb fuck he is. now it looks like we will lose 3 of the last 4 by giving up leads in the nineth. he just doesnt know what to do with pitchers.

Well, it all worked out in the end...and Gordon returns tomorrow. So hopefully the russian roulette closer situation is done.

By the way...I really like Randall Simon...a couple nice plays the last few games and when he's not playing he kills mascots.

[tar_baby]

jesus christ...this guy might get 60 without roids

[Kyle]

Flash can't come back soon enough.

It's disappointing they didn't win both games today, because they could have easily.

But I won't get too down on them...it's tough to sweep doubleheaders.

The Houston series should be a good test about whether these are for real or the last month was a mirage.

Clemens vs. Hamels tomorrow is an awesome matchup.

[mikeybot]

I'd love to see him hit 61 in less games than Maris and Ruth

[Ballbuster1]

Funny how nobody's complaining about losing Thome anymore.
Howard's doing very well this year. I hope he continues to hit
this well thru this month. He'll have a great season.

[mikeybot]

People were complaining about Thome?

[Kyle]

I think for the most part people made their peace with the Thome thing. The complaining at the beginning of the season about it was a very bare minimum at best, to the best I can remember.

Most people understood Howard was the future.

Thome's really having a phenominal year of his own. I'm glad to see the guy do well, too. His last year in Philadelphia he was really hurt badly yet he gave everything he had to help the team stay afloat until he couldn't play anymore.

He really was a class guy. At any rate he has to win a comeback player of the year award.

[rahrah]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/rah26rah/howadcopy.jpg

Half man, half monster


carrying my fantasy team

[MilkmanDan]

The guy is just tearing the ball up and hitting over .300 which I never thought I'd see from him. Frustrated they got a great outing from Myers though and did nothing with it. Whatever happens its a fun ride toward the playoffs if they make it or not.

Oh and I think it was Rob Charry or someone on WIP but they brought up the fact that noone really notices this guy is doing this all natural. The steroid crew kinda spoiled the magnitude of this guys season, and he might get near 60 this year

[domelogic]

Howard has better stats then Beltran?

Really...Beltran has a 1.012 OPS, Howard has a .999

Beltran has more doubles, triples, stolen bases, hasnt struck out anywhere near the numbers Howard has, a better OBP, a better Slugging %

Like I said, HR leader usually doesnt win the award

Remember the ARod/Ortiz battle last year? Defense is a big factor...Beltran could be a gold glover this season, Howard is the worst defensive player in the National League

NY Media bias? So youre saying that all the Philly voters wont vote for Howard? Or are you just making another asinine statement?

You are in for a massive let down if you think Howard will finish any higher then 3rd

There is no way Howard is more deserving of the MVP over Pujols or Beltran

In the last 20 years or so only 2 people have lead the league in HR and won the MVP, that was Bonds and Kevin Mitchell

Besides that Howard doesnt have a leg to stand on




anyone remember this nonsense? sorry towlie but you couldnt have been any more wrong. i believe you also said that he wasnt clutch or something to that effect. i certainly hope from the series with the mets and now the last week you have found your way to retract all those statements(fielding not withstanding)

[Kyle]

Touch 'em all, Chase Utley!!!

Fuck the Astros. Oh, and Howard hits another HR. Towelie looks more and more foolish with each passing day with his comments on Howard.

[mikeybot]

Just thought I'd add the story from the AP about the game:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Chase Utley's home run with two outs in the 10th inning gave the Philadelphia Phillies a 3-2 win over the Houston Astros on Monday.

After both teams wasted opportunities to win late in the game, Utley his 25th homer to right off Dave Borkowski (1-2). The second baseman was mobbed by his teammates and helped the Phillies snap a 12-game losing streak to Houston that dated back to August 2004.


Rick White (3-1) pitched a scoreless 10th for the win, retiring the final two batters he faced to leave a runner stranded on third. The Phillies entered 1 1/2 games back of San Diego in the NL wild card standings.

Roger Clemens left his 15th start of the season with a strained right groin after allowing only one hit in five innings. The Houston right-hander was 6-4 with a 2.29 ERA coming into the game. He gave up one run, struck out six and walked two. The Astros said he is day-to-day.

Charlton Jimerson hit a pinch-hit home run in his first major league at-bat for the Astros and Ryan Howard hit his major-league leading 53rd homer for the Phillies.

It was the second straight extra-inning game for the Phillies, who lost to Atlanta in 11 innings in the second game of Sunday's doubleheader. Philadelphia also played back-to-back doubleheaders over the weekend, and came right back for a 3:05 p.m. EDT start Monday.

Howard's 53rd homer of the season off Russ Springer in the sixth knocked off the facing of the second deck in right field. Much like when he homered in his first three at-bats against Atlanta in the first game of a doubleheader on Sunday, Howard earned a standing ovation and chants of "M-V-P!" as he rounded the bases.

Howard also extended his hitting streak to 14 games.

<b>Cole Hamels was absolutely fantastic again, retiring the first 17 batters and pitching like the future ace the Phillies expect him to be. The hard-throwing lefty was working the corners and getting strikes on fastballs, then finishing batters off with offspeed pitches.</b>

He struck out the side in the fifth, with Jason Lane thinking he walked, only to get racked up on the slow stuff. As Hamels walked off the mound, the fans in the first few rows stood and applauded.

Hamels seemed poised to close out the Astros and record his eighth win until Aubrey Huff hit a solo shot leading off the eighth, tying the score at 2.

The Phillies touched Clemens for a run in the fourth, but missed their chance for a big inning went their bats went limp in the clutch. Clemens fanned Pat Burrell on a called strike at the knees with the bases loaded. He hit Jeff Conine in the left shoulder to make it 1-0, but Chris Coste grounded into a double play to end the threat.

Jimerson pinch-hit for Clemens with two outs in the sixth inning and broke up Hamels' perfect game with a home run in his first major league at-bat. Jimerson hit a shot to deep center field near Ashburn Alley, the outfield entertainment area.

Notes

The Phillies recalled LHP Matt Smith from Single-A Clearwater and he pitched a scoreless ninth. Smith was acquired from the Yankees as part of the Bobby Abreu deal. Smith made two appearances at Clearwater and struck out all six batters he faced. ... The game was a sellout with a crowd of 44,674, including more than 10,000 tickets sold on Monday.

Nice to see the opinion on Hamels and to hear good things about Smith.

[Kyle]

Yeah, if you didn't see all the game, Hamels was amazing. He really made two mistakes which were the HRs and was untouchable the rest of the way.

And Matt Smith came in, in a pretty clutch situation and got it done. It looks like the team has lost all confidence in Rhodes and Fultz and will turn to Castro and Smith down the stretch as the lefties out of the pen.

Smith could be the first of many dividens the Abreu trade could pay down the road.

[Aizazzle]

My Sig says it all . Sorry to self-whore but I'am the only one who is honoring Howard with my sig.

By the way Utley Thankyou . How are you going to argue against Howard winning the MVP after 53 and getting an IW in the top of the 9th inning ???

[MilkmanDan]

If the Phillies make the playoffs, I dont see how you cant not put Howard for MVP. Which is amazing considering the guys in his 2nd season, he's built like the pillsbury doughboy and just been phenominal.

[Kyle]

At this point, I don't see how he's not the MVP regardless of whether they make the playoffs or not.

[Cha94]

Did anyone see the one fan sitting on the Phillies side in the WOW shirt on tv a few times? Was it any of you ladies or men?

Howard had a monster of a weekend. If this guy doesnt win MVP I will be really shocked. He is just amazing and it is great to see a guy go from AA Reading, all the way to the bigs and have the year that he is having. It is just amazing!!

[SpecialEd]

My Sig says it all . Sorry to self-whore but I'am the only one who is honoring Howard with my sig.


so much for exclusivity! i whipped up my own howard sig. GO PHILS!!!

[Kyle]

Here are your up to the second Wild Card standings:

National League
Team W L PCT GB
San Diego 71 66 .518 -
Philadelphia 70 68 .507 1½
Florida 69 68 .504 2
San Francisco 69 69 .500 2½
Cincinnati 68 70 .493 3½
Houston 67 71 .486 4½
Atlanta 66 71 .482 5

The Padres are keeping pace with the Phils and Marlins in terms of being hot right now which is why they're still holding steady.

San Francisco has suprisingly played their way back into this as well...don't sleep on them, especially with Bonds hitting his stride down the stretch.

Anyone below the Giants are really on the fringe of being eliminated. Not that the defecits of the Reds, Astros, and Braves are really difficult to make up, especially in this year's NL...it's more because there's so many teams in front of them, and none of those teams are playing really well at the moment.

[Wilmington WOW]

Mvp -53

[Aizazzle]

so much for exclusivity! i whipped up my own howard sig. GO PHILS!!!

Nice we need more of these ........

Hoo Hoo the whole world ripped me off Robin I invented Sigs suggesting Howard should be MVP

[Kyle]

I just have one question...

Why the FUCK...does Charlie Manuel insist on not bringing in Tom Gordon in tie games in the 9th at home?

Does he not understand that if you are the home team, and you get to the Top of the Ninth tied, you will NEVER see a save situation in that game again no matter what happens?

Instead he sticks with Madson, and, well, we all know what happened there

[domelogic]

I just have one question...

Why the FUCK...does Charlie Manuel insist on not bringing in Tom Gordon in tie games in the 9th at home?

Does he not understand that if you are the home team, and you get to the Top of the Ninth tied, you will NEVER see a save situation in that game again no matter what happens?

Instead he sticks with Madson, and, well, we all know what happened there

i will tell you why, because the dumb fuck doesnt know how to use relief pitchers. why take out geary in the 7th after he struck out the first two batters? just to turn around berkman with no one on base, dumb ass. so instead of being able to bring in smith in the nineth to turn him around he uses him in the 7th and 8th. i am tired of seeing uncle charlie managing this team. he has got to go. hearing wheeler make excuses for this team makes me want to vomit as well. he was justifying charlies pitching changes by saying the bullpen is well rested. what an ass

kyle, i was yelling at the tv last night and now you got me fired up again this morning. damn you:icon_evil

[ih8Uboo-boo]

The pad's won another one last night, they are now 3 back. Hopefully the Dodgers continue to implode. Cause I don't think that the padres are gonna cool off anytime soon.

[Aizazzle]

Keep the Hope up :icon_roll

As Far as Manuel goes

Manuel= DoucheBag

[Bob]

I was at the game last night when Burrell struck out with the bases loaded the place went nuts, loudest booin i heard in a long time.

The Phils suck against the Marlins and they dont have the bench to compete, they all looked tired so im bringing this back from last year...
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/raiojr/ThatsAllFolksPhils.jpg

[Kyle]

May be a bit premature for that.

The team's still fighting...big win last night.

Meanwhile, San Diego has a tough series @ San Francisco this weekend. At 2.5 games out, it's a chance to make up ground over the next few days.

[Aizazzle]

I'am an optimist when it comes to Philly sports teams that's why I'am picking the Eagles to win the SuperBowl ...........

But back to the Phillies they are pretty good and resilient as shown last night

[Bob]

56 For Howard this guys unreal. I made a great pick on which authentic jersey to buy this season #6. :icon_mrgr

to steal from SpecialEd
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/raiojr/howardmvp.jpg

[Kyle]

National League
Team W L PCT GB
San Diego 73 67 .521 -
Philadelphia 72 69 .511 1½
San Francisco 71 70 .504 2½
Cincinnati 70 71 .496 3½
Florida 70 71 .496 3½
Houston 69 71 .493 4

Brett Myers vs. Brian Moehler tomorrow. On paper, that's a matchup that favors the Phils.

Sunday it's Cole Hamels vs. Dontrelle Willis...that'll should be a great game.

1.5 back with 21 games to go.

[domelogic]

just imagine if they hadnt blown all those games in the last two weeks. i cant believe this team is this close to the wildcard with really only two guys carrying them hitting wise. great game by moyer and another clutch performance by howard. this is a complete turnaround from the last couple of years when they played the marlins.

towlie towlie come out and play, i need some help picking my football ticket

[Aizazzle]

I don't think Howard has left a doubt in anyone's mind about him being MVP

[mikeybot]

Or how about if they didn't get off to that atrocious start

[Kyle]

San Diego lost again today, in extra innings.

Unfortunately, I just saw the Phils load the bases with no outs. What happened after that is enough to make anyone take a sledgehammer to the TV:

-Jeff Conine gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...strikes out
-Pat Burrell gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...pops out
-Carlos Ruiz gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...lines out to second.

How you can get ahead 2-0 three straight times with the bases loaded and not score a run is fucking amazing.

3-2 Marlins lead in the bottom of the 5th.

[Aizazzle]

San Diego lost again today, in extra innings.

Unfortunately, I just saw the Phils load the bases with no outs. What happened after that is enough to make anyone take a sledgehammer to the TV:

-Jeff Conine gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...strikes out
-Pat Burrell gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...pops out
-Carlos Ruiz gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...lines out to second.

How you can get ahead 2-0 three straight times with the bases loaded and not score a run is fucking amazing.

3-2 Marlins lead in the bottom of the 5th.

You think that was bad imagine watching th NDvs PSU game atleast this one is close

[domelogic]

San Diego lost again today, in extra innings.

Unfortunately, I just saw the Phils load the bases with no outs. What happened after that is enough to make anyone take a sledgehammer to the TV:

-Jeff Conine gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...strikes out
-Pat Burrell gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...pops out
-Carlos Ruiz gets up. Gets ahead 2-0...lines out to second.

How you can get ahead 2-0 three straight times with the bases loaded and not score a run is fucking amazing.

3-2 Marlins lead in the bottom of the 5th.

thank god i didnt see any of this game but heres an idea charlie how about creating something, like say bunting. if there ever was a team that needs to manufacture runs sometimes it is this one. quit waiting for the home run or extra base hit. you get good pitching and then not help them out. kyle if i had seen that something would have been broken in my house, especially since burrell hasnt done shit all season. this team would be dead last if it werent for utley and howard. it still suprises me that two guys can keep a team in the playoff hunt.

[SpecialEd]

phils loose another one to the marlins, willis with the Complete game shutout. yet another young player who is fucking amazing. now the phils and marlins are tied behind san fran in the wildcard. padres still with the lead.

[Kyle]

I wouldn't worry too much about the standings yet...the Padres have a very tough week ahead of them, and the Phils control their destiny with the Marlins.

If they come out of next week still back 2-3 games back, then it's a problem. Hopefully the Pads lose tonight.

[Kyle]

The Padres lost in extras...the Phils were rained out so they pick up a 1/2 game to cut the WC defecit to 2 games.

Unfortunately, Florida stays hot and looks like they'll beat the Mets again, putting them at just 1 back of the Padres.

Could come down to a Florida/Philadelphia showdown at the end of the season.

The Phillies have to take care of some business this week, though. Also, I assume they'll be playing yet ANOTHER double-header because of the rain out.

[Aizazzle]

Yeh Kyle they are in a double-header


I still have hope ......but then again I'am the alleged Philly Homer

[Redding]

great job down 3-0 already

[Kyle]

great job down 3-0 already

5-0 now. Yeah, Randy Wolf has nothing today.

Still a lot of game left, though, to get some runs back.

[Aizazzle]

5-0 now. Yeah, Randy Wolf has nothing today.

Still a lot of game left, though, to get some runs back.

I thought I was the homer Godammit Kyle do not steal my bit of an optimist and a homer

[Kyle]

Well, it's 5-3 now with both starters out of the game.

Howard missed a grand slam by a foot because of a nice catch by Andruw Jones. Instead he gets a sac-fly.

Then Conine hits a two run double to bring in the others. Still the top of the third with a runner on second. Bobby Cox just pulled his pitcher.

[Aizazzle]

So you are not stealing my bit of Philly homer and optimist

[Aizazzle]

Philly just went up 6-5 as I was reading on Foxsports.com



Way too go Delluci

[mikeybot]

I keep obsessively checking the tab I have open for yahoo in class for the game. So worried they were going to just eat the two men on

[Aizazzle]

Yes they won Good Job Phils :action-sm


Let's fucking win both now

[mikeybot]

It'd be nice if they could move to within 1 today.
(honestly not sure how possible that is though).

nevermind, just realized that the Padres would have to drop their game tonight for that to happen

[Aizazzle]

Anything's possible when you are a homer like me


Mets aren't division champs yet so the Phillies need to win just to prolong the Mets fans' gloating

[domelogic]

So worried they were going to just eat the two men on[/QUOTE]

actually they did but a blown catch by the left fielder gave them the win. i am not complaining mind you but it should have been caught. wolf may be done, he has not pitched well since his return but tonite the bullpen did their job. the phils definitely needed a win like that

[SpecialEd]

phills take the double header sweep, winning the second game 7-2. this puts us back in striking range 1.5 games behind the pads. GO PHILS!

[MilkmanDan]

HE DID IT ! HE DID IT ! That pile of slop Nunez is hitting over .200 ! With a 3-3 performance Abraham Nunez is now hitting a lofty .201 ! The yankees will be offering him 5 mill a year anytime now
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :clap:

[Kyle]

HE DID IT ! HE DID IT ! That pile of slop Nunez is hitting over .200 ! With a 3-3 performance Abraham Nunez is now hitting a lofty .201 ! The yankees will be offering him 5 mill a year anytime now
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr :clap:

Batting average or not, the guy's been fantastic defensively. That's why I like him.

I've been impressed with Carlos Ruiz with his latest callup. He's a very good defensive catcher and his offense has really come along. He's making a case to be their starting catcher next season.

[MilkmanDan]

Batting average or not, the guy's been fantastic defensively. That's why I like him.

I've been impressed with Carlos Ruiz with his latest callup. He's a very good defensive catcher and his offense has really come along. He's making a case to be their starting catcher next season.

F That I want Chris Coste, and the one game I had someone from NY sitting in and watching with me Nunez made 2 errors. He's a tourniquet at best at 3rd.

Ruiz -
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434563
Coste -
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400120
Nunez makes David Bell look like Mike Schmidt. Why are we the only team whose Hispanics suck?

[Kyle]

The thing is, though, Coste's average has dropped 40 points over the last month or so.

I like the guy, but he's a backup catcher at best. I think he can give you good stretches but would be hard-pressed to sustain the kind of production he has now over the course of a season.

Ruiz on the other hand has been great since his callup. Look at his minor league career...the guy destroyed the Triple A level. He's got a lot of promise and he's showing it.

And there is no comparison between Bell and Nunez defensively...Nunez is worlds better. Bell was a better hitter, but didn't have the glove.

It doesn't really matter anyway...if Nunez is back next year, he's almost guaranteed to be a bench player. They'll bring in someone else to be the starter.

[Towelie]

Oh Kyle, remember this gem?

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1274/untitledac3.jpg

Awwww....

http://mod.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3198160dt.jpg

[Kyle]

First off, I don't think that's official yet.

I think the Magic Number is 1, unless I misread something. The George Costanza school of logic suggests that MLB is overdue for a plane crash that wipes out an entire team...that could happen to the Mets before they clinch.

Anyway, it's kind of pointless...you're going to feel awful silly when they get bounced in the NL playoffs. It's a cliche as old as the game itself, but it's a good one..."Pitching wins in October"...and the Mets don't have enough.

Now scurry back to the Mets thread.

[Aizazzle]

Kyle you know I love you :action-sm and I think you are a very smart guy.....

But cmon the Mets aren't going to win the division that is kinda you know stupid I know you were reaching on that One.


Towlie we could fucking take out atleast 40 posts of you saying Howard isn't going to win the MVP but Beltran is so you were fucking wrong too so as Kyle said go home to your fucking Mets thread

[Kyle]

You missed the point of the post, sir.

[Towelie]

First off, I don't think that's official yet.

I think the Magic Number is 1, unless I misread something. The George Costanza school of logic suggests that MLB is overdue for a plane crash that wipes out an entire team...that could happen to the Mets before they clinch.

Anyway, it's kind of pointless...you're going to feel awful silly when they get bounced in the NL playoffs. It's a cliche as old as the game itself, but it's a good one..."Pitching wins in October"...and the Mets don't have enough.

Now scurry back to the Mets thread.


El Oh El

You've been saying that since June

I do believe we are 2nd in the NL in team ERA, and the best bullpen ERA in the majors

So explain to me how we dont have enough pitching? Healthy Glavine and Pedro, El Duque has been dominant lately and Maine is rock solid

Give it up, stop thinking we are going to lose in the NL playoffs

You're just an ass if you think that

Whos going to take us out?

San Diego? A team we swept a home and took 2-3 from them on the road
The Cardinals? I'm pretty sure we just swept them badly too
Cincy? LA? Philly? Not a chance in hell

The only team that can beat us is the Yankees

Towlie we could fucking take out atleast 40 posts of you saying Howard isn't going to win the MVP but Beltran is so you were fucking wrong too so as Kyle said go home to your fucking Mets thread

Really? Howard won the MVP? When did that happen? Give that kid an HGH test

[Aizazzle]

Really? Howard won the MVP? When did that happen? Give that kid an HGH test

We knew you were going to say that because you can't admit you were wrong ...............


Kyle If I didn't get the point I'am sorry

[CM Mark]

Hope you guys win tonight. No offense, but I want for when the Mets to clinch it be by them winning, not you guys losing. So good luck tonight.

[Aizazzle]

Hope you guys win tonight. No offense, but I want for when the Mets to clinch it be by them winning, not you guys losing. So good luck tonight.

They already clinched

[CM Mark]

They already clinched
last I knew, according to the New York Daily News this morning, the magic number was still 1. So unless something happened that I am not aware of, no, they haven't

[Aizazzle]

last I knew, according to the New York Daily News this morning, the magic number was still 1. So unless something happened that I am not aware of, no, they haven't

x-Mets 90 55 .621 - 47-26 43-29 6-4 W2 1

I read this and though they did here is the link:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/standings

[mikeybot]

Holy pitcher's duel batman.

[Kyle]

Anyone watching this game today? First off, Hamels has a no-hitter through six.

Second, Ryan Howard hits a HR ball to left-field...except it's not a HR. Some dopey kid at the rail catches the ball for a second, then drops it accidentally onto the field and the umpires, not seeing what happened, call it a double.

I'd like to punch him in his tear-stained face (which FOX got several close ups of during the broadcast), especially if the Phils lose this game 1-0.

0-0 in the 7th.

EDIT: Davey Dellucci with a HR!...1-0 Phils.

[Aizazzle]

Anyone watching this game today? First off, Hamels has a no-hitter through six.

Second, Ryan Howard hits a HR ball to left-field...except it's not a HR. Some dopey kid at the rail catches the ball for a second, then drops it accidentally onto the field and the umpires, not seeing what happened, call it a double.

I'd like to punch him in his tear-stained face (which FOX got several close ups of during the broadcast), especially if the Phils lose this game 1-0.

0-0 in the 7th.

EDIT: Davey Dellucci with a HR!...1-0 Phils.

I was watching the game but now I'm, not ..

I would like to hit that kid too SOB robbed Howard of a HR also atleast hold on to the ball

Again:
Way too Go Delluci :action-sm

[mikeybot]

AAAAaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
You jinxed it!!!!!!!!!!!

On another note, good job Shane!
3-0

Glad that Hamels is getting some run support now

[mikeybot]

Great job Chase.
Let's go Ryan!
(though I wouldn't be suprised if they walked him)

[Aizazzle]

Nice I would like another win for the Phillies

I have a ques though?

Why is Scott Graham calling the game with Lou ?

[mikeybot]

Rats. Well, at least Hamels had 6 scoreless and hitless innings

[ProfessorAnt]

i could care less about a no hitter. they just need to get this win and the next. and i hope howard can get his swing back. all of these expectations are eating away at him.

[Kyle]

Well, he hasn't hit a HR in a week, but it's not like he's been bad, so I don't know what you're talking about with his swing.

He's hitting .411 since his last HR a week ago, entering today.

And to be fair, he DID hit one today...that mongoloid kid cost him it, though.

[Kyle]

San Diego 76 70 .521 -
Philadelphia 76 72 .514 1
Florida 74 73 .503 2½
San Francisco 74 73 .503 2½
Cincinnati 73 74 .497 3½


Padres remaining schedule (16 games):
3 @ LAD
3 vs. ARI
3 vs. PIT
3 @ STL
4 @ ARI

Phillies remaining schedule (14 games):
1 @ HOU
3 vs. CHC
3 vs. FLA
1 vs. HOU
3 @ WAS
3 @ FLA

Marlins remaining schedule (15 games):
2 @ ATL
4 @ NYM
3 @ PHI
3 vs. CIN
3 vs. PHI

Giants remaining schedule (15 games):
2 @ STL
3 @ COL
4 @ MIL
3 vs. ARI
3 vs. LAD

Reds remaining schedule (15 games):
2 @ CHC
3 @ HOU
4 vs. CHC
3 @ FLA
3 @ PIT


The Reds actually have the easiest schedule, but they also have the most ground to make up. After them, the Phils have a pretty light road.

San Diego's three at the Dodgers and three at the Cardinals could be tough for them, which is where the Phils may be able to overtake them in the standings.

Florida's road is the toughest...those four games in NY are really tough. They better hope the Mets are in full coast mode, just resting guys for the playoffs, or else they'll be hard pressed to keep pace.

Honestly, this sets up in the Phillies favor more than any other team.

LA and San Diego play tonight. The Phils could go into tomorrow just 1/2 game out.

The Giants game is on right now...they're down 4-0 to St. Louis.

[ProfessorAnt]

Well, he hasn't hit a HR in a week, but it's not like he's been bad, so I don't know what you're talking about with his swing.

He's hitting .411 since his last HR a week ago, entering today.

And to be fair, he DID hit one today...that mongoloid kid cost him it, though.

i guess you are right. i'm talking about the swing mechanics this week. he's had 7 strikeouts in 17 AB. .411 SO/AB ratio. I don't think he's playing poor, but he's been swinging out of the zone a lot more than usual. Burrel has 3Ks in 14AB this week. Just saying, he was being more patient lately and I hope he can keep his head on straight as they make a run at the wild card. he's a key factor in their ability to win games, even if it only means he gets the walks when they pitch around him.

[Kyle]

Just to give everyone an idea of why the Phils have stayed in this race, and what the Abreu trade meant to this team, here's some info:

The Phillies were 48-54 entering July 30...the day they traded Bobby Abreu.

Since that day, the Phillies are 29-18

By comparison, the "class" of the National League, the New York Mets, are 27-16.

Both teams are 11 games over .500 since July 30. Furthermore, head to head, the two teams have played 10 times since that fateful day and evenly split the series at five a piece.

Simply put, the Phils have been playing as well as the best team in the NL for a while now. It's why this team has a legit shot if they make the playoffs...because they ARE playing as well as anyone in the National League at this point.

And for the naysayers that say the Phils have no pitching...look at the statistics of Jon Lieber and Cole Hamels since August 1st:

Jon Lieber: 5-3, 2.83 ERA
Cole Hamels: 6-3, 2.66 ERA

[mikeybot]

Oh, don't be a tease, just show them.

[Kyle]

Ok, but your typical non-believer may say, "Well, at the end of the day it's still a 76-72 team."

Well, not really. The people who were here when the team was awful are mostly gone, or have been given reduced roles on the current team. Look at all the changes this roster has undergone from earlier in the season (and even recently during the team's revival):

Just look at how the roster has changed from that 47-54 team until now:

Catcher
Before: Lieberthal/Fasano (platoon)
Now: Ruiz/Coste/Lieberthal (platoon)
Third Base
Before: David Bell
Now: Abraham Nunez
Left Field
Before: Pat Burrell
Now: Burrell/Dellucci/Conine (platoon)
Center Field
Before: Aaron Rowand
Now: Shane Victorino
Right Field
Before: Bobby Abreu
Now: Dellucci/Conine (platoon)

Starting Rotation at the beginning of the season:
-Lieber
-Myers
-Lidle
-Madson
-Floyd

Starting Rotation now:
-Hamels
-Lieber
-Myers
-Moyer
-Wolf

Key Setup Men at the start of the season:
-Arthur Rhodes, Ryan Franklin, Rheal Cormier, Aaron Fultz

Key Setup Men now:
-Geoff Geary, Matt Smith, Rick White, Ryan Madson

[Kyle]

Howard broke his HR drought with #57 today, and the Phils swept the Astros.

I'm keeping an eye on the Dodgers/Padres game.

If the Dodgers win, the Phils are 0.5 back of the Pads.

If the Padres win, they take over the NL West lead and the Phils are 1 GB of the Dodgers for the Wild Card.

Either way, at worst, they will end the night within a game of the lead.

Right now, it's tied 0-0 in the 5th

[Kyle]

Padres won and take over the NL West lead. So the Wild Card is:

National League
Team W L PCT GB
L.A. Dodgers 78 71 .523 -
Philadelphia 77 72 .517 1
San Francisco 74 74 .500 3½
Florida 74 75 .497 4

Florida is all but out of it. Although the only reason I kept them in the race, in this post, is because they still have six vs. the Phillies and could make up ground if they took 5 of 6 or swept both series.

San Fran is fading fast, too.

It's coming down to a three horse race between the Padres, Dodgers, and Phillies with the NL West race throwing a bit of a wrench into how this will shake out as well.

Tomorrow:
-Padres (Jake Peavy, 9-14, 4.17 ERA) @ Dodgers (Brad Penny, 16-8, 4.04 ERA)