2006 Philadelphia Phillies thread [Archive] - The Unofficial Opie and Anthony Message Board

Kyle

02-19-2006, 08:32 PM

Spring Training is upon us, buddays...opening day roster projects as:

1. SS - Rollins
2. 3B - Bell
3. RF - Abreu
4. 2B - Utley
5. LF - Burrell
6. 1B - Howard
7. CF - Rowand
8. C - Lieberthal

SP - Myers
SP - Lieber
SP - Lidle
SP - Madson
SP - Franklin

CL - Gordon
SU - Rhodes
MR - Tejeda, Santana, Fultz, Cormier, Geary

The battles to watch in Spring Training are:

3B - Bell vs. Nunez vs. Gonzalez vs. Perez
5th Starter - Franklin vs. Floyd vs. Tejeda vs. Brito vs. Hamels

Most likely Bell will platoon with Nunez all year at 3B, while Gonzalez will spell Howard against the Dontrelle Willises (extremely tough lefties) of the world at 1B. Perez the pieman could be cut.

And I really think Floyd will beat out Franklin and start the year in the rotation moving Franklin to the pen which is good for all.

The team looks good. The lineup's the best in division, and the starters will be decent. If they can hold the bullpen together they'll have a shot at winning the NL East this year.

flyerfan116

02-20-2006, 11:42 AM

The team looks good. The lineup's the best in division, and the starters will be decent. If they can hold the bullpen together they'll have a shot at winning the NL East this year.
please tell me you were being sarcastic....this team stinks on ice...Pat Gillick himself said they are not good enough to win the division. They are saddled with these long term deals and no-trade clauses that tie gillick's hands...Lieberthal, Abreu and Burrell have to go, bell has to retire and we need a #1 starter, this lineup is already in the hole..the best we can hope for is injuries to the aformentioned players making it necessary to make some moves....division is going to either the Mets or the Braves unless something is done and done soon to boost this lineup

Kyle

02-20-2006, 03:06 PM

please tell me you were being sarcastic....this team stinks on ice...Pat Gillick himself said they are not good enough to win the division. They are saddled with these long term deals and no-trade clauses that tie gillick's hands...Lieberthal, Abreu and Burrell have to go, bell has to retire and we need a #1 starter, this lineup is already in the hole..the best we can hope for is injuries to the aformentioned players making it necessary to make some moves....division is going to either the Mets or the Braves unless something is done and done soon to boost this lineup

No, I'm not being sarcastic. I hope you were kidding about Abreu and Burrell. Yeah, we sure don't want guys who will hit 30+ HRs each every year, drive in around 100 runs, with one (Abreu) stealing 30+ bases a year and the other (Burrell) annually among the league leaders in outfield assists. :icon_roll

And the #1 starter argument is one of the stupidest around and yet every psuedo-Phillies fan makes it. Please tell me who are the LEGITIMATE #1 starters in this league, because there's like 10 tops. I can tell you right now the Braves don't have one...and whether or not people still consider Pedro a #1 (I have a hard time doing that for a pitcher that can't throw more than 6 innings most nights) could decide whether you think the Mets have one.

But, oh, I forgot, in Philadelphia we fucking haaaaaaaate baseball, so we need to piss on the team every year:icon_wink

weakside

02-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Utley is going to be a superstar. Howard looks good as well. It will be interesting to see if Rollins can set the record...

Mick32

02-20-2006, 04:33 PM

I just want the Pieman out. That's a step in the right direction, in my opinion. He can't hit. He can't run. He can't field.
He stinks and I don't like him, to steal a line.

flyerfan116

02-20-2006, 04:47 PM

No, I'm not being sarcastic. I hope you were kidding about Abreu and Burrell. Yeah, we sure don't want guys who will hit 30+ HRs each every year, drive in around 100 runs, with one (Abreu) stealing 30+ bases a year and the other (Burrell) annually among the league leaders in outfield assists. :icon_roll
Stats are nice but don't mean shit if the team isn't winning, i'll take someone who plays hard and plays consistantly over players who run hot and cold at the drop of the hat...Abreu is such a commodity that there was absolutely NO interest in him when Gillick was shopping him around..and that is coming off a golden glove year...whats that tell you?

And the #1 starter argument is one of the stupidest around and yet every psuedo-Phillies fan makes it.

OK fine you don't want a solid #1 fine how about a decent rotation? the pitchers currrently making up our rotation had the highest collective ERA in the division last year with very little improvement..oh yeah and our new closer, while he was a great setup guy in NY last year... hasn't closed full time since 2001....somehow i don't feel warm and fuzzy about that

But, oh, I forgot, in Philadelphia we fucking haaaaaaaate baseball, so we need to piss on the team every year:icon_wink
no i love baseball which is why i continue to watch, and when the team stops pissing on us i'll be happy..all i ask is they put the best possible team out there that they can..thats all i ask whether they win or lose..whatever as long as they put the effort to have the best team they can and this organization doesn't do that plain and simple

askewcore

02-20-2006, 05:10 PM

Please tell me who are the LEGITIMATE #1 starters in this league, because there's like 10 tops.

Just in the NL? There's about 10 or 11 out of 16 teams. And the Braves do have a guy named Tim Hudson. He's a #1 no doubt. And how many teams have won the World Series recently without one big time pitcher?

Oswalt and/or Clemens, Schmidt, Peavy, Sheets, Prior, Tim Hudson, Carpenter, Dontrelle, Pedro, and I'd put Livan Hernandez in there becuase he's a horse, but I can see the arguement against him.

Kyle

02-20-2006, 06:09 PM

Just in the NL? There's about 10 or 11 out of 16 teams. And the Braves do have a guy named Tim Hudson. He's a #1 no doubt. And how many teams have won the World Series recently without one big time pitcher?

Oswalt and/or Clemens, Schmidt, Peavy, Sheets, Prior, Tim Hudson, Carpenter, Dontrelle, Pedro, and I'd put Livan Hernandez in there becuase he's a horse, but I can see the arguement against him.

These are the legitimate #1 ACE starters in MLB:
-Pedro Martinez
-Dontrelle Willis
-Andy Pettite
-Roy Oswalt
-Chris Carpenter
-Roy Halladay
-Johan Santana
-Bartolo Colon
-Barry Zito
-Rich Harden
-Jake Peavy

Schmidt had a terrible season last year. Sheets has never won more than 12 games. Prior has only played one full season, he's been hurt the last two years. Hudson's numbers were comparable to Brett Myers's numbers last season...that means he's good, but not a #1, and Hudson's only been a good #2 since 2000 or 2001 when he won 20. And Clemens is retired.

Now, Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson could end up back on that list but I wouldn't throw them on there now until they proof they're both healthy and can still pitch neither of which are guarantees. And there's guys like Felix Hernandez, Scott Kazmir, Carlos Zambrano, Mark Buerhle who could potentially be #1s down the road, but they aren't now.

So that's 11 legitimate #1 starters out of 30 teams, and two teams (Houston and Oakland) have two each, meaning there's nine teams in MLB who have #1 starters. Absent from that list are perennial playoff teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, as well as the World Series champion White Sox (Buerhle's close, and I probably wouldn't object if he was added...Garland, Contreras, and Garcia need to put together more than one year).

The bottom line is the #1 starter is overrated in terms of determining how good a team is. It'd be great to have one; you'd be insane not to want one, but most teams don't have them, and you can win without them. It's more important to have consistently good pitching up and down the staff (like the White Sox did last year).

As far as the Phillies rotation goes...Myers and Lieber are #2s, Lidle's like a #4, and the rest are young guys who we'll have to wait and see on. I'm not totally against that plan. Too often the Phillies bring in retreads (like Ryan Franklin who I hope won't be in the rotation opening day) who suck. Let's see how much potential guys like Madson, Floyd, Hamels, Tejeda, Gonzalez, and Haigwood have. All young guy with potential to be anywhere from solid to very good MLB pitchers.

And unlike Ed Wade, if it doesn't work, Gillick will make the necessary moves...his track record proves that.

domelogic

02-23-2006, 12:08 AM

'no i love baseball which is why i continue to watch, and when the team stops pissing on us i'll be happy..all i ask is they put the best possible team out there that they can..thats all i ask whether they win or lose..whatever as long as they put the effort to have the best team they can and this organization doesn't do that plain and simple'

I agree with these statements but will say that gillick is hobbled by wades inability to be a general manager. 2006 will be a make or break year for gillick and the phils. fans are starting to get a little pissed off at mediocre teams especially since they fed us a bunch of bullshit about our farm system.

having abreu and burrell in the same lineup is devasting. it is hit or miss and when its good its great but when its bad its really bad. that is why i was so pissed they traded polanco who is consistent. that is something this team sorely needs.

getting a number one pitcher wasnt possible this past off season. every team wanted utley and thank god we had the common sense not to trade him. even though i am sure wade was tempted in the past. i am a little concerned with long relief or a setup man in the bullpen since madson is going to start. i personally think it is a mistake since the team era from last year was not the greatest. time will tell but i hope we get off to a good start for a change.

Kyle

02-23-2006, 08:36 PM

I agree with these statements but will say that gillick is hobbled by wades inability to be a general manager. 2006 will be a make or break year for gillick and the phils. fans are starting to get a little pissed off at mediocre teams especially since they fed us a bunch of bullshit about our farm system.

having abreu and burrell in the same lineup is devasting. it is hit or miss and when its good its great but when its bad its really bad. that is why i was so pissed they traded polanco who is consistent. that is something this team sorely needs.

getting a number one pitcher wasnt possible this past off season. every team wanted utley and thank god we had the common sense not to trade him. even though i am sure wade was tempted in the past. i am a little concerned with long relief or a setup man in the bullpen since madson is going to start. i personally think it is a mistake since the team era from last year was not the greatest. time will tell but i hope we get off to a good start for a change.

I'd agree with most of that, I guess. You're right about Abreu/Burrell, although in terms of wins and losses, I think it all evens out in the end. It just makes it painful to watch some nights. And the bullpen is concerning. And that Polanco trade looks especially bad now that what we got back is not only not on the team anymore, but in Venezuelan prison.

I'd take issue with one thing, though...saying that this is a make or break year for Gillick is insane (but then again, many Phillies fans are insane so it's probably going to end up being true).

People clamored for Ed Wade to fired (and rightfully so) because he did a poor job and fans didn't like the direction of the team. They got what they wanted, but people can't Gillick to undo all the wrongs Eddie did in one offseason. I think this team can win this year, but Gillick should have until at least the end of 2007 before people start judging whether this guy's done a good job or not.

Kyle

02-23-2006, 10:36 PM

In case anyone's interested, the reports from spring training on the pitching go like this:

Myers, Lieber, Lidle and Madson are locks for the rotation
Gordon, Rhodes, Fultz, and Cormier are locks for the bullpen.

Manuel's keeping 12 pitchers out of spring training leaving one rotation spot and three RP spots:

Franklin's the front-runner for the rotation spot, but he has to beat out Floyd, Ricardo Rodriguez, and Robinson Tejeda...Cole Hamels and Eude Brito have very outside shots at it.

For the three bullpen spots, Julio Santana's almost a lock for one...Geary's almost a lock for the other...that leaves Rob Tejeda, Rodriguez, and Chris Booker (rule 5 draft from the Nats), with Brito and Yoel Hernandez having outside shots. If Floyd beats out Franklin for the rotation spot, then Franklin will land in the 'pen.

Most likely, Rodriguez (who would go on waivers if not) or Booker (who would go back to the Nats if not on the team) will nail the last bullpen spot, and Franklin will at least start the year in the rotation.

That would leave Floyd, Tejeda, and Brito to work as starters in AAA along with Dan Haigwood (talented prospect gotten from the Thome trade) to start the year, and be ready to fill in case pitchers get hurt, or perform badly. Hamels could also pitch his way to AAA but will most likely start the year in AA with Scott Mathieson (uber-talented Phillies pitching prospect) and Gio Gonzalez (also a pretty talented prospect from the Thome trade).

Got to give them a little credit...for the first time in a long time they'll have some real pitching depth in their minor league system.

Kyle

02-23-2006, 10:47 PM

domelogic

02-23-2006, 11:37 PM

Anyone read Bill Conlin's article today (2/23)

He said that the Phillies organization next year is planning on changing up the broadcast team with Wheeler doing 9 innings on TV, Kalas doing 6, Scott Graham doing 3, and Graham, Larry Anderson, and some new guy doing the radio broadcasts.

What the fuck? Wheeler for 9 innings. If ever there was fucko, it's that guy. I don't care if Kalas is 120, he's a Philly legend, and deserves that spot...not some jizzbag kiss ass.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? wheeler is the biggest dickhead announcer the phils have ever had, ok maybe muncer is right there with him. this no nothing is an apologist for the front office and the team. he never has anything remotely bad to say about how they are doing. did they leave wade in charge of this decision? fucking idiots. well it looks like radio for me boys.

as a side note, i do agree with you on the gillick thing. i should have said it is a make or break year for the team but his trades and drafting for all of 2006 will be his most important year. this will be his time to rid us of some trash and bring in some fresh blood who will put an effort out every single night. i have no problem giving him through 2007 to see what he can do.

have you read anything about our catching prospects? that is one situation that really disturbs me and needs addressing. yes i know it wasnt high on the list since our pitching problems werent solved under wade but it is the next highest priority in my opinion.

Kyle

02-24-2006, 12:32 AM

have you read anything about our catching prospects? that is one situation that really disturbs me and needs addressing. yes i know it wasnt high on the list since our pitching problems werent solved under wade but it is the next highest priority in my opinion.

They have a guy named Jaramillo that is supposedly really impressing them down at Spring Training...so much in fact, that they're saying he'll skip A ball and start in AA this year. He projects as a seven-hole hitter (.275 15-20 HRs) at the major league level, but is pretty good defensively, supposedly.

Lieberthal's contract expires after this year, so they'll sign someone off the market next year. Depending on who they sign, post-Lieberthal will kind of show where they're going with the position. If they sign a guy to a short, 1-2 yr deal, then they believe Jaramillo's the real deal, and it's just a stop gap to bridge the position until he's ready to take over. Unless he advances very quickly (which I guess is possible), he probably won't crack the major till late 2007, or 2008. My guess, though is that Gillick will try to make a semi-big free agent signing next season to take care of the position long term, and if they have to, will trade Jaramillo if he shows MLB capability.

flyerfan116

02-24-2006, 11:21 AM

Got to give them a little credit...for the first time in a long time they'll have some real pitching depth in their minor league system.
sounds like it...now if only we had the same thing for the majors

domelogic

03-05-2006, 06:43 PM

got a chance to watch the phils game today and we finally have some speed in the minors. and these guys play hard. should be interesting on who they keep up and where they place some of these guys.(all lefties though which is kind of strange)

Mick32

03-06-2006, 12:09 AM

Kyle

03-06-2006, 01:00 AM

It seems like the whole team bats lefthanded. (I know this is an overstatement, to all you Lou Literals out there.)
That was some of the reason that so many people were OK with Abreu being the guy moved for a pitcher.

The problem was that Wade was counting on Bell and Lieberthal to hit about 20 HRs a season each and drive in between 70-80 runs. We know how that's turned out...

Rowand should help balance out the lineup a little more this season. He hit 24 HRs in 2004, before dropping a little last season. In Citizen Bank, he could hit between 20-25, and down in the lineup could drive in between 80-90. Alex Gonzalez also has a little bit of right handed power if he sees some playing time for Bell at third, although his average stinks (which is why he's a bench player and not a starter).

As long as Manuel doesn't bat Utley, Abreu, and Howard back to back to back, it should be fine. It should probably go:
1. Rollins (switch)
2. Utley (left)
3. Abreu (left)
4. Burrell (right)
5. Howard (left)
6. Rowand (right)

domelogic

03-06-2006, 02:53 PM

i didnt realize they had that many lefties in the minors. i guess that makes a ton of sense why it was abreu. good point. i was a little amazed at the size of rowand, he is built more like a catcher. gonzalez will definitely see some time at third and will hit no worse than bell plus he has made some nice fielding plays this spring already. have him hit 8th oh wait that spot has been cemented by lieberthall

Kyle

03-19-2006, 08:41 PM

Looks like David Bell could miss the start of the year. He's out with back spasms and his status is uncertain. Bell's better defensively, but at this point, I'd say Nunez and Gonzalez are as good if not better offensively.

As far as spring training's gone, it's pretty safe to peg the NL East as a three horse race between the Phils, Mets, and Braves. Washington and Florida don't have much of a chance at all. And honestly, of those three, the Braves look the weakest on paper, although, there's always that "don't bet against the Braves" historical factor when it comes to the division, so I won't put the nail in the coffin just yet.

Bodog.net has set the Phils over/under on wins at 82.5. I'd go way over on that. They'll at least match the 88 they won last season.

domelogic

03-20-2006, 03:44 PM

Looks like David Bell could miss the start of the year. He's out with back spasms and his status is uncertain. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

now lets hope it lasts the entire season

flyerfan116

03-20-2006, 04:14 PM

Looks like David Bell could miss the start of the year. He's out with back spasms and his status is uncertain. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

now lets hope it lasts the entire season
now lets see if someone can take out Burrell, Lieberthal and half the pitching staff & we might have a half decent shot

Kyle

03-20-2006, 05:37 PM

now lets see if someone can take out Burrell, Lieberthal and half the pitching staff & we might have a half decent shot

What's with the Burrell hate? Guy was one of the best players on the team last year.

domelogic

03-21-2006, 05:49 PM

yeah i dont know about the burrell thing but lieberthal could go as well. anyway lets talk about something exciting like the way ryan howard is playing this spring. this is the type of prospect that i have been waiting for. an everyday player(hopefully they give him a chance) who makes you want to watch the games. maybe he will turn into the leader they desparately need in the clubhouse. season is but a mere two weeks away!

Bob

03-27-2006, 02:19 PM

Got my tickets for opening day, going with a shit load of people and I'll end up not remembering the game. I'll probably get to see Jimmy Rollins end his hitting streak.

The Phils have had a great spring training and Ryan Howard is absolutely crushing the ball.

And did anyone see Howard go after Beckett and talk shit, Josh is a cocky mother fucker who’s going to be even cockier in the AL because he doest have to bat. Good to see Howard have some fire and passion in a spring training game.

Johnny Manf

03-27-2006, 02:49 PM

i'm going on saturday to the fake home opener which is just an exhibition game against the redsox but its the first game in CB park this year.

then i am going to the REAL home opener on monday too. should be a good time.

Bob

03-28-2006, 01:15 PM

pic of the new left field wall..
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1156/cbpwall6uw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
wall raised from 8ft to 10.5 and pushed back 5ft from 369 to 374, however the left field foul pole remains at 329.

Kyle

03-30-2006, 11:40 AM

Gavin Floyd has just been announced as having won a rotation spot. Ryan Franklin most likely bumps to the bullpen leaving a rotation of:
-Myers
-Lieber
-Lidle
-Madson
-Floyd

ProfessorAnt

03-30-2006, 12:29 PM

The Inquirer reportes the following

-Phils release Ricardo Rodriguez (Traded from Rangers for Padilla), Robinson Tejeda and Eude Brito to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre

-May move Madsen to Bullpen and Floyd into # 5 spot in rotation
Barring a trade or sudden change of heart, Floyd has seized the No. 5 starter slot, since the Phillies have no intention of using him in the bullpen. That sets off a chain reaction where one of the Ryans -- Madson or Franklin -- moves to the pen. Both have had success in relief, though Madson's came more recently, as in the previous two seasons in Philadelphia's bullpen.

While Franklin's last significant relief stint came in 2002, the veteran is 8-1 with a 3.83 ERA in his career as a reliever.

Conventional wisdom suggested that Madson hit the 'pen, but two team sources indicated that Franklin is the choice because the team believes he can play a vital role in relief, much as Madson did.

-Bell will likely be the Opening Day 3B starter

ih8Uboo-boo

03-30-2006, 04:00 PM

$3 million is a lot of money for a guy to sit in the pen...

I want to know who is going to emerge as the "leader" of the team.

Kyle

03-30-2006, 04:34 PM

$3 million is a lot of money for a guy to sit in the pen...

I want to know who is going to emerge as the "leader" of the team.

I think Utley and Rollins have taken on the role towards the end of last season. Both guys leave it all out on the field, and both game up with a ton of clutch hits down the stretch.

I haven't seen him play a lot, but Rowand is suppose to be a similar type of player.

ProfessorAnt

03-31-2006, 04:39 PM

Kyle

04-01-2006, 01:20 AM

i just heard it announced that Ryan Madsen and Gavin Floyd will start the season in the rotation and Ryan Franklin will be in the bullpen.

Its official we have a rotation with two #2s and three #5s...do you hear that?

The bandwagon is starting up and its ready to roll. I'll be the first one on and I'm not getting off until we beat the fucking Braves. That's all I want this year. Next year, we'll talk.

I agree that Myers and Lieber are #2s, even though Myers has the talent to be a low-level #1.

But three #5s? That's a bit harsh. #5s are guys that can barely stay in the majors. Lidle's better than that. And how do you typecast Madson and Floyd as #5s when neither's really gotten an extended shot at the rotation in the majors.

Madson's always projected as a middle of the rotation, #3 type. Floyd's a former first round pick, and projects as a future #1.

I'm not saying they may not perform like 5s, this year...it's possible, but you've got to be a little more optimistic than that at the start of the season at least.

And at any rate, it's better than what the Mets are throwing out there these days.

After looking extensively at the league this year, I've got the Braves winning the East (again), the Cardinals winning the Central, the Dodgers winning the West, and the Phils penciled in as the Wild Card, edging out New York and Houston.

In the AL, I've got the Yanks, Indians, and Angels, with the Blue Jays as the Wild Card.

Ballbuster1

04-02-2006, 12:26 PM

Jimmy Rollins is starting the new season looking to extend his hitting
streak of 36 games. I hope he can keep it going. It would generate
some more excitement for the team early in the season.
Phillies.com story here (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060117&content_id=1296934&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)

askewcore

04-02-2006, 03:33 PM

Kyle

04-02-2006, 04:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2393648

The Phillies aquired Dave Dellucci for Robinson Tejada and minor league outfielder Jake Blalock. I dont know who the two guys they traded were, but Dellucci is a nice ballplayer, can fill both corner OF spots, doesnt need to play everyday, decent speed and a little pop....Philadelphia looks to be shaping up to be pretty good.

Oh, and I dont think Rollins has much of a chance to keep his streak going, its gotta be incredibly hard to go through the offseason and start off that hot.

Tejeda has a really nice arm, but his potential as a starter is questionable because he has control issues. Dellucci is a nice pick up. Already, it's got me wondering if this means they're going to start shopping Abreu again. Dellucci's a capable starting OF. Seems like they could put Abreu on the block again and see what kind of pitching may be out there.

Bob

04-02-2006, 09:21 PM

For those without ESPN INsider heres Buster Olney's take on the trade.

The Rangers again turn to the Phillies to make a deal that could help with their depleted rotation. It's the Philadelphia part of this thing that is intriguing.

Some open-ended questions: Why would the Phillies surrender a pitcher -- a chip they admittedly need -- for a proven outfielder like David Dellucci?

Is it merely out of the need for depth?

Is it because of something they've seen, maybe in Pat Burrell, who is not completely healthy?

Is it to set themselves up in the event they find a trade partner in a Bobby Abreu deal down the road?

Phillies GM Pat Gillick knows Dellucci from his days as GM of the Orioles, and I don't think he'd be picking him up knowing that David would only be pinch-hitter type. There's more mad scientist in Gillick than any general manager I've covered; he always thinking two or three moves ahead, and he won't always tell you what he's doing. You have to think, on the face of it, that the acquisition of Dellucci is merely the first domino to fall.

domelogic

04-02-2006, 11:33 PM

i dont think you can say madsen or floyd are better than #5's until they prove otherwise. this team has a nice offense (a few too many lefties) and a little better than marginal pitching at the start of the season. hopefully the pitching will be better than expected and we can get off to a nice start(something we havent done in a while)

kyle, i agree with you that abreu is the one to be traded if that is gillicks plan. if he starts off hot we could end up getting a solid #2 who is at the end of a contract and the team needing to drop payroll or out of the playoffs. i will wait and see if the phils can get by houston for the wild card cuz i still believe that clemens will be pitching there in july.

Wilmington WOW

04-03-2006, 11:30 AM

Ready to watch Rollins keep the streak alive
I can't wait to see the NY media downplay the feat
Dimagio is over rated. give me Ted Williams any day

Also, excited to to watch Howard crush the long ball

ProfessorAnt

04-03-2006, 12:01 PM

the day is here! i will be tailgating starting @ noon today. i hope the weather makes a turn, because yesterday would have been perfect for a home opener. the stadium was hopping with sox fans but it was still a good time.

if anyone is looking for a good party, the philly sport and social club is having a tailgate party in section F2 of the spectrum parking lot.
http://www.phillysportandsocialclub.com/events/index.cfm?content=eventdetail&calid=778
20 bucks to join the party and drink for a few hours prior to the game.

see you there.

here is a preview of the fun from last year. my fat ass even made the gallery.
http://www.phillysportandsocialclub.com/photogallery/index.cfm?content=viewgallery&galtypeid=332&gal_folderpath=http://dev.sportandsocialclubs.com/photos/&page=viewgallery

flyerfan116

04-03-2006, 05:24 PM

4:20 p.m. St. Louis 10 Philadelphia 0 after 4 innings.....so we go 161-1 no big deal

domelogic

04-03-2006, 05:26 PM

welcome to opening day as it is 10-0 in the 4th. worst part is lieber gave up a slam to that fucker rolen. ugh i need to puke

sorry you had to witness that live professor

BATTING
2B: Edmonds (1, Lieber), Taguchi (1, Santana).
3B: Miles (1, Lieber).
HR: Pujols (1, 3rd inning off Lieber, 0 on, 2 out), Rolen (1, 4th inning off Santana, 3 on, 2 out).
TB: Eckstein; Encarnacion; Pujols 4; Edmonds 2; Rolen 5; Taguchi 2; Molina, Y; Miles 4; Carpenter.
RBI: Edmonds (1), Pujols 2 (2), Miles 2 (2), Carpenter (1), Rolen 4 (4).

domelogic

04-03-2006, 05:27 PM

4:20 p.m. St. Louis 10 Philadelphia 0 after 4 innings.....so we go 161-1 no big deal

guess we both realized we now had free time

flyerfan116

04-03-2006, 05:42 PM

yeah..forgot my antenae so i can't listen at work..keep checking the updates on yahoo sports...now 13-1 top of the 5th and phillies are already on their 3rd pitcher

Redding

04-03-2006, 05:45 PM

they never seem to start the season off strong, they need to get that early momentum they are always in a uphill battle, also so far rollins hasnt got a hit, could it be over already?

Redding

04-03-2006, 05:47 PM

Pujols 2-2 2 hrs 4 rbis, fuck bonds pujols is easily the best hitter in the game

Ballbuster1

04-03-2006, 07:03 PM

Jimmy did get his hit, so the streak is alive at 37 games. They are too
far behind to win this one, but they never seem to look good on opening
day for some reason.

Just finished.........13 to 5.

ProfessorAnt

04-03-2006, 07:42 PM

sad

Mother Shucker

04-03-2006, 07:47 PM

Kyle

04-03-2006, 09:58 PM

We where talking NL East in the office Friday, and I have a big Phillies phan telling me how good his/your team was. I said I liked the lineup, but the pitching was weak. He told me they would have a better staff then the Mets. To that I say: Good luck Bro/s.

The guy was right...the Phils have a better lineup and rotation than the Mets...not much better, but better. The Mets have a better bullpen, though, which may win out in the end.

Anyway, I was at the game today. Sucks to lose on opening day, but nobody should be too upset about it. I actually had a ton of fun tailgating and what not, and it was great to see Jimmy get his hit. Hopefully Myers comes out strong tomorrow.

Mother Shucker

04-03-2006, 10:09 PM

ih8Uboo-boo

04-04-2006, 01:11 PM

A better rotation? I do not think they win ANY match up through the rotation.

I think that the only starter that is a clear cut advantage at the "#1 starter" because of Pedro, but the gap is closer because of Pedro's gimpy toe.

Both staffs have a TON of question marks as far as the 2-5 positions go...

The Phils have had success against Glavine, while Traschcel when healthy seems to own them. Lidle and Zambrano are a wash... If Madsen/Floyd/Bannister come through as decent prospects, it will definitely be an interesting race...

But I don't think that either team has the pitching to make enough noise in the playoffs...

Wilmington WOW

04-04-2006, 02:57 PM

how about that last bat by jimmy rollins yesterday.
I saw the beginning of the game and was able to turn it back on just before his at bat. clutch 0-4 for the day so far
he had 3 balls and no strikes, in danger of being walked
then he rips a screemer down the first base line, just past Pujols, for a double

break dimagio's record J-Rol

ih8Uboo-boo

04-04-2006, 11:31 PM

break dimagio's record J-Rol
Unfortunately, there would be an asterisk or a different record altogether because it is over 2 seasons...

Kyle

04-05-2006, 12:17 AM

Unfortunately, there would be an asterisk or a different record altogether because it is over 2 seasons...

I think they are considered two seperate records:
-Longest Hitting Streak
-Longest Single-Season Hitting

If Rollins were to do it, and we're still a long way away from that at this point, I think his feat is actually tougher than DiMaggio's. To come in cold, mid-streak, at the beginning of a new season seems a lot tougher, then a guy who's in mid-season form and has found some sort of groove.

Wilmington WOW

04-05-2006, 08:36 AM

askewcore

04-05-2006, 02:26 PM

I think they are considered two seperate records:
-Longest Hitting Streak
-Longest Single-Season Hitting

If Rollins were to do it, and we're still a long way away from that at this point, I think his feat is actually tougher than DiMaggio's. To come in cold, mid-streak, at the beginning of a new season seems a lot tougher, then a guy who's in mid-season form and has found some sort of groove.

They're not considered two different records. The fact that he hit in September and then again in April doesnt make his streak longer, he's still only played 37 games. That being said, if he can break 56, which I dont think he has a chance in hell at, it would be more impressive, because I dont see how it wouldnt be harder to pull off after waiting the entire offseason to get it going again.

Kyle

04-05-2006, 05:36 PM

yo, kyle from Wilmington

yo

exaclty, do ya think the NY media will knock Rollins acheivement?

They were already on PTI yesterday asking the question whether the streak is tarnished because Rollins swung at a 3-0 pitch down 10 runs yesterday. Thankfully, neither Kornheiser nor Wilbon agreed with that.

But if he gets into the mid-to-late 40s with this, of course they will be all over it as being fake, needing an asterik, and not being as impressive as DiMaggio. Faggity homers.

It's MORE impressive. It's much more difficult to come in, cold, to a brand new season, and continue it IMO.

askewcore

04-05-2006, 05:42 PM

ESPN is not the NY media. They're the New England media, based out of Bristol, CT. And they haaaaaaaaaaate the Yankees. The only reason they air a bunch of our games is because they know there's a bunch of national bandwagon jumping, phony Yankee fans. If Rollins beats Pete Rose's NL record (44 or 47 I think, I'm not positive either way) they'll make a big fucking deal about it and they'll probably try to undermine his acheivement. Trying to discredit what he did because he swung at a 3-0 pitch is retarded, if your down 10 runs in the 2nd game of the season and chasing a record most people think will never be broken, you should have the right to hack at a 3-0 pitch. He got a base hit off the 3-0 too I'm assuming, right?

Doing it over two seasons has got to be harder then getting in a 56 game groove. Not to diminish the great Joe D's accomplishment.

Joe D also got robbed by a sick catch in CF in his last at bat in game 57, not making any excuse or anything, just he came sooooo close to extending it even more.

ProfessorAnt

04-06-2006, 02:27 PM

i could care less about Jimmy Rollins and his streak. i just want those guys in the red pinstripes to win a fucking game. there's a lot of baseball left, but let's get some fire under their feet.

Burrill and Abreu need to wake up in the outfield. Where's the hustle? D. Bell should just be on the DL until he's closer to 100%. We auditioned half a dozen guys for third base. Let's use one of them. I don't care if people have had good stats in the first 2 games. They lost them both and both were sad.

http://media6.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1198.pdf

I have the press pass again this year and will post the game notes for you guys if i have them when i'm online. Mr. Graham loves to interject with the prepared notes, so listen closely and you will surely hear at least one of these "fun facts" ...Mike Lieberthal is not just the longest-tenured active athlete in Philadelphia sports, he is also tied for the 4th-longest active professional tenure with one team in the major leagues and 2nd-longest among National League players...Nine members of the Phillies’ current 25-man roster (36%) were originally drafted by the club

domelogic

04-06-2006, 02:40 PM

flyerfan116

04-06-2006, 02:46 PM

i could care less about Jimmy Rollins and his streak. i just want those guys in the red pinstripes to win a fucking game.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thank you...I agree 100% I don't give a shit about streaks, records or individual stats...the only stat i care about can be found under the column with the big W on top of it....i don't give a shit if Rollins hits for 70 games straight, Abreu hits .450 and Burrell has 60 HR..if the team isn't winning none of that means shit bottom line

Kyle

04-06-2006, 03:10 PM

anyone read what mr wagner had to say in tsn. apparently he didnt resign with the phils because of the nastiness of the fans. "its a no win situation. oure out there busting your tail and when youre having a good season you dont want to deal with fans who arent knowledgeable and are constantly riding you" he also said the phils arent committed to winning a championship. that fucking excuse is getting old. i didnt hear to many people giving wagner shit last year, now the prior year yeah since he was always hurt. just because you show interest in how your team is doing doesnt mean you know nothing or arent knowledgeable. i might now have to get tickets for a mets game and harrass this stupid in the outfield bullpen.

forgot more of this dumbasses quote "they want you to know when you step into that ballpark that it doesnt matter who you play for... home team, visiting team. they look forward to the opportunity to ride you. itll be interesting when i go back"

i guess the 4 yr 43 mil contract had nothing to do with it.

Well, there is some truth to it, for anyone who goes to the ballpark. There are some great Phillies fans...there's also a lot of dickhead Phillies fans, who get off on trying to be as huge an asshole as they can be.

But you're right, Wagner was one of the most popular guys on the team, and didn't really get it at all last season. The only specific instance I've heard him quote about the fans is that when he would throw fastballs and they'd register at 98 or 99 MPH, they'd boo him for not hitting 100. I've been in the stadium for that, and he obviously didn't get the sentiment at all. It wasn't nasty, it was a joke, in which the fans where poking fun at their own reputation, and all the fans understood that...but apparently he didn't get...stupid Virginia hayseed.

But the bottom line is Wags left for the money. Had he got it from the Phils he would have stayed. Him and his wife were quoted numerous times as saying they love the Philadelphia area. All he says now is for show, to build up the Phils/Mets rivalry.

blinkdmb

04-06-2006, 09:50 PM

o-3 Start, Rollens streak is over 3 games into the season....Eugh what an awful year its going to be.

Kyle

04-07-2006, 02:56 AM

o-3 Start, Rollens streak is over 3 games into the season....Eugh what an awful year its going to be.

Ah yes, I was waiting for the first guy to proclaim this season over.

Because three games into 162 generally gives you a good feel of how a team's going to shake out. :icon_roll

Ballbuster1

04-07-2006, 08:55 AM

o-3 Start, Rollens streak is over 3 games into the season....Eugh what an awful year its going to be.
Damn, that was quick! I think I'll hang in there for awhile before
I decide how the season's going. Tough break for Jimmy. The streak
was a bright spot in the news so far. Maybe he can restart it. There's
plenty of games left to play.

flyerfan116

04-07-2006, 10:56 AM

I'm kinda glad the streak is over. I mean yeah it would have been cool for him to get it but the reality is baseball should be about winning games and playing as a team, not concentrating on individual acheivements...i'm not giving up on the team but they need alot of work and being in the national spotlight when they are playing like shit wouldn't be good for morale...it would be different if they started strong and were playing well, but to turn on Sportscenter to hear yeah the Phillies suck but at least Rollins is still hitting is bad i think.

domelogic

04-07-2006, 02:11 PM

it is way to early in the season to write it off. i think everyone just wishes they would get off to a fast start just once instead of the poor starts that have happened over the last several years. everyone knew the pitching was going to be a weak point and so far they are proving us right but again the season just started and they did play a team that expects to be in the world series

look at the schedule, they have 7 games against colorado, 3 against pitt and 3 against the nationals at home this month. that is alot of winnable games this month. i am curious to see how floyd starts out tonite. he needs confidence and if he gets it he will be fine, so here is hoping to a strong start.

Kyle

04-07-2006, 03:21 PM

40-45 games into the season is the first mark where you get a feel of how good a team might be.

The All-Star Break is the second.

Mother Shucker

04-07-2006, 08:18 PM

40-45 games into the season is the first mark where you get a feel of how good a team might be.

The All-Star Break is the second.
Well, there is an old saying: "You don't win penents in April, but you can lose them."

Kyle

04-07-2006, 08:35 PM

Well, there is an old saying: "You don't win penents in April, but you can lose them."

True, but despite the sluggish start, I don't really see the Phillies finishing any worse than .500 for the month...after St. Louis and LA, they've got a fairly easy schedule the rest of the month.

Bob

04-10-2006, 11:12 AM

domelogic

04-10-2006, 01:57 PM

i went to the double header yesterday, the second game Uncle Charlie put out a minor league team, anyway i sat out in right feild for the second game and J.D. Drew was just getting killed. Fake money was being thrown, J.D. Jew chants, it was just brutal and non stop.

good i hate that fuck anyway. as long as batteries or something else that could injure him wasnt thrown, then he deserves it

i was thinking the same thing about their lineup in the second game. i am sure lieber was thrilled and he pitched well. i did get a kick out of the crew in the outfield who were wearing fasano mustaches.

Kyle

04-10-2006, 02:16 PM

good i hate that fuck anyway. as long as batteries or something else that could injure him wasnt thrown, then he deserves it

i was thinking the same thing about their lineup in the second game. i am sure lieber was thrilled and he pitched well. i did get a kick out of the crew in the outfield who were wearing fasano mustaches.

I didn't quite get the B-team lineup either. Managers usually do it to rest guys, but they're five games into the season...it's not like they're worn out. The only thing I can figure is they're getting ready to go on the road this week and he didn't want to over-extend them, but they have an off day on Tuesday, so even that doesn't make sense.

Just a stupid Charlie decision...that's #1 of the season...there'll be many more, I'm sure.

Mick32

04-10-2006, 05:26 PM

I think he went all-out with the game one lineup, figuring Little would rest people across the two games, because they HAD to win one of those games yesterday. If they lose both yesterday, we might be watching a press conference on CSN about him being fired today.

onepickdaily

04-10-2006, 08:08 PM

Kyle-All of my scumbag friends are Phillies haters. They all give you the same BS (I love the Phillies, but I just don't see them doing anything. I want them to win, but I don't think they can, there pitching stinks...blah, blah, blah). It's the same story from each one of these idiots...and take a wild guess who they all worship?? Jew-face Eskin!!! They are all Eskin puppets!!

About Charlie-I Don't think there will be too many more screw ups this year. He will be gone very soon!!! Trust me.

BOB-I was behind homeplate, so I didn't see them throwing money, but I heard them crushing J.D. Jew in the outfield. It was hilarious, the 5000 people that stayed for the 2nd game sounded like 40,000+ every time he came up to bat.

Dome-Yesterday definately started FASANO-MANIA in Philly....They booed Ryan Howard when he was announced as the pinch hitter for Fasano in the 9th.

Been checking out this site for a few years now, fan of the boys since before day 1 at YSP. Never thought I would join WACKBAG to post a message about the Phils.

domelogic

04-11-2006, 02:52 PM

i liked the way meyers pitched last nite except for a couple of fastballs he grooved(and paid for it). the double to the pitcher killed him but his curve ball was sharp. i was a little disappointed in rowan's ability to bunt.

professor as the season goes on if you could link up the game stats again that would be great

ih8Uboo-boo

04-11-2006, 03:08 PM

i was a little disappointed in rowan's ability to bunt.

It's not just him... nobody can bunt in baseball anymore. Its a frigging disgrace. I went to a game in Baltimore last year and 3 or 4 players tried lay bunts down. All of them were unsuccessful...

Bob

04-12-2006, 01:41 PM

The Phillies are hitting, well everybody but Utley and Bell. The problem is the whole team isn’t hitting with runners in scoring position. They are an NL worse .160 with runners in scoring position.

1-6 is a bad start and 4.5 games behind the Mutts, got themselves into an early hole. It’s a Long season hopefully they can turn things around. Uncle Charlie needs to figure out that lineup; Howard should not be in the six spot with BELL protecting him? Fuck that. Here’s my line up.

Rollins
Abreu - works the count enough to get Rollins Steals
Howard
Burrell - gives Howard protection and breaks up all the Lefties.
Utley- Doest need the protection
Rowland - too many strike outs not a 2 hitter.
Bell - Good for a base hit or random HR
Liberthal - piece of shit, the pitchers supposedly don’t like throwing to him. And supposedly he doesn’t prepare for the batters he's facing. He plays with ZERO Heart and emotion....

The pitching is another story, Madson looked good and that’s it. And the bench seems to be the best in the East if Uncle Charlie uses it correctly.

I have some pics from the double header, the walk off celebration I’ll post them later when I get home, if anyone’s interested in drunken pics....

Kyle

04-12-2006, 02:31 PM

domelogic

04-12-2006, 04:50 PM

this is where having all those lefties hurts. if burrell was more consistent than he would have to bat 4th but leaving howard hang out to dry at 5th is no good. he hits for not only power but his average will be good as well which means he needs more at bats. i think you need utley in the 2 or 3 hole and the same with abreu. that means that burrell has to bat 4th to break up the lefty combo which really only makes a difference in the late innings or if the starter is lefty(like every 4th day). now the problem is who will be good enough to hit 6th and give protection to whoever hits 5th. lieberthall, yeah not likely, bell, might as well sign me to hit for him and that leaves rowan or delucci if he spells for someone.

i couldnt believe that stat they showed on monday it was .179 with runners in scoring position which i am sure dropped to your .160. i think i have to go back to 1993 to get a phils team that hit in the clutch. weird but this team has some things it does regardless of who is managing them. long season and it can only get better, so lets take a wait and see attitude.

Mick32

04-12-2006, 06:11 PM

Abreu should lead off. He's a left handed Rickey Henderson at the top of that lineup. He would score runs like Lenny Dykstra in the early 90s. He walks, hits for a high average and steals bases. Rollins doesn't get on base enough for a leadoff hitter, in my opinion.
Abreu
Rowand
Utley
Burrell
Howard
Rollins
Bell/Nunez
Lieberthal

SnuggleBug

04-13-2006, 03:27 AM

A 2-6 start so far, who wants to predict when the team starts blaming everyone but themselves for stinking up the field yet once again?

Kyle

04-13-2006, 01:00 PM

The funny thing is that 2-6 has them in 3rd place in the division.

SnuggleBug

04-13-2006, 10:14 PM

yeah how sad is our division? It looks like this could be the year the Braves FINALLY do not win the division, of course with all the sucktacular teams in the division anything is possible, but im gonna go with the Mets this year. On paper their team looks good enough, but we'll see if this paper team can finally produce on the field.

Kyle

04-14-2006, 01:12 PM

It's good to see them finally starting to round into form. Floyd had a decent start last night. The bullpen looked shaky, but Gordon was able to close it down. 2 out of 3 in Colorado would be a nice way to cap off, because after that they get Washington for three, Florida for three, and the Rockies for four all at home. All of those are series that they should would win, and it'd put them on pace to finish the month above .500, which after their start would be a pretty nice accomplishment.

The head-to-head games with the Mets this year are going to be crucial, and they have no September games against them this year, which means that the games in May, June, July will be much more meaningful then they should be.

domelogic

04-14-2006, 05:44 PM

floyd definitely looked better last nite but he still looks uncomfortable out there. i think getting the run support early was something he needed and might need again until he feels comfortable. for the first time this year and not the last cormier sucks balls! get rid of him. i asked politely last year. yesterday franklin grooved a couple of pitches and the braves took advantage. i havent seen him pitch enough to rail on him but going into colorado(who is playing well) you cant let that happen. they need to take 2 or 3 from the rockies that would put them at 5-7 and back home against the nationals.

did anyone hear the stat for the braves that they have played 11 games and dont have a starting pitcher with a win. that is amazing

you are right kyle they cant slack when they play the mets especially early in the year. i am suprised that they play a division foe like them in september.

onepickdaily

04-14-2006, 06:40 PM

Phillies will be fine, however, I still think Charlie is going to lose his job. It's going to be tough, but I am looking for a Phils Sweep in Colorado.

www.onepickdaily.com

domelogic

04-16-2006, 07:05 PM

great game by meyers today. this was only the second 1-0 game in coors field history. this is the second start in a row meyers has had good control of his pitches. i hope that rowan who is hitting well gets his head out of his ass for some of the base running and fielding mistakes he has been making. this is the type of game the bullpen needed with the way things have been going. i will be seeing the rockies next thursday and hopefully the momentum from this road trip will continue.

domelogic

04-20-2006, 08:53 AM

SnuggleBug

04-20-2006, 10:29 AM

things have gotten so bad in the bullpen that they left floyd in the game last nite til sometime in the 7th inning. the running joke is the phils pitching staff is like a donut, big hole in the middle. that win last nite was huge cuz i wouldnt have wanted to be a player in that stadium for the weekend if they were 1-8 or 1-9 at home

that win last night was a joke, our pitching sucks, (Hernandez going 3-4?!?!) and our bats are streaky at best. When are they going to get it through their heads that they have to stop swinging for the fences at home? Whatever happen to playing some small ball and playing it consistently? I love the players interviews after the game too, "As long as we win, it doesn't matter how we get it done". This is why i hate this pompous, stubborn team, they know they aren't playing the right way, but they refuse to own up to it. "We'll do it our way and ONLY our way whether you like it or not, even if it means we suck year in and year out"....AWESOME GUYS, I would give anything to have those 91-93 Phillies back. Yeah they sucked then too, but at least they knew they sucked, a bunch of degenerates that went out and played their heart out and owned up to everything. "yeah we suck, but we're trying" MEMORIES........

dirtypennyhole

04-20-2006, 03:11 PM

what do you guys think of rowand so far? I don't know if he is living up to the hype so far. I've seen a couple deep fly balls that he hasn't gone all out for. I thought he used to run into walls and shit to catch balls

ProfessorAnt

04-20-2006, 04:30 PM

that win last night was a joke, our pitching sucks, (Hernandez going 3-4?!?!) and our bats are streaky at best. When are they going to get it through their heads that they have to stop swinging for the fences at home? Whatever happen to playing some small ball and playing it consistently? I love the players interviews after the game too, "As long as we win, it doesn't matter how we get it done". This is why i hate this pompous, stubborn team, they know they aren't playing the right way, but they refuse to own up to it. "We'll do it our way and ONLY our way whether you like it or not, even if it means we suck year in and year out"....AWESOME GUYS, I would give anything to have those 91-93 Phillies back. Yeah they sucked then too, but at least they knew they sucked, a bunch of degenerates that went out and played their heart out and owned up to everything. "yeah we suck, but we're trying" MEMORIES........

First off, Hernandez is a freak. He's an animal and they should be glad they got what they did off of him. He'll usually throw a couple of homers, but typically doesn't walk a ton or allow "small ball." His speed changes are frustrating and its amazing that he's got the control he does at this point in the season. He must have had a healthy off season because threw like that in his rookie season. He won the WS MVP that year.

So the pitcher hit two doubles and a homer (see above. He's a freak). It wasn't a pretty game, but they didn't give up when they were down 3 in the 8th. If you were to look at that game in a bubble without considering the beginning of the season you would like the fact that Manuel went all out with their subs to get them back in the game. Its a bit harsh to call them pompous and to me it looks more like a confidence that they'll get back a few of those losses that were disappointing in the first homestand.

You can't win championships in April, but you can lose them. A team that panics in April and starts to get desperate for a win can really damage the whole season. Confidence/pompousness is what it takes to stay the course even when things are rough. Its still early. Think of this as a poker game. If you lose the first few hands you are not eliminated, but you have to play smarter and more consistent to get back to a place where you can take a few risks. I've played with the fools who lose their first two or three hands and go all in on the fifth hand. The results are never good. (Using that analogy you could also say that you'll be at the table all night and just fizzle out because you'll never get the perfect hand. I'm ok with that as long as they don't go out on the fifth hand.)

I'm not always this optomistic, but I like their chances this year, so don't ruin it.

what do you guys think of rowand so far? I don't know if he is living up to the hype so far. I've seen a couple deep fly balls that he hasn't gone all out for. I thought he used to run into walls and shit to catch balls

The hype was based on the fact that there were a bunch of clips of him hitting the wall at Comiskey(US Cellular). He played there for a while (5 years?) and it isn't a daily occurence, but if necessary he'll sacrafice his body for one. I think his reputation should be for being an all around team player. Last night he was the first one to high five Howard after the single in the 10th. He also got the loudest applause in Chicago the day they gave the players their World Series rings (debatable, but he got a hell of a reception).

In 04 he was in the top 10 of two important categories with some good company. That's not hype that's production:

Power/Speed Number
PowSpd - Power/Speed Number. This is (2*HR*SB)/(HR + SB). It is a Bill James creation and indicates a player with both good speed and power.
Rodriguez-NYY 31.5
Jeter-NYY 23.0
Hunter-MIN 22.0
Soriano-TEX 21.9
Guerrero-ANA 21.7
Lawton-CLE 21.4
Rowand-CHW 19.9
Damon-BOS 19.5
Crawford-TBD 18.5
Byrnes-OAK 18.4

Slugging %
Ramirez-BOS .613
Ortiz-BOS .603
Guerrero-ANA .598
Hafner-CLE .583
Mora-BAL .562
Teixeira-TEX .560
Rowand-CHW .544
Guillen-DET .542
Delgado-TOR .535
Konerko-CHW .535

Kyle

04-21-2006, 12:18 AM

First off, Hernandez is a freak. He's an animal and they should be glad they got what they did off of him. He'll usually throw a couple of homers, but typically doesn't walk a ton or allow "small ball." His speed changes are frustrating and its amazing that he's got the control he does at this point in the season. He must have had a healthy off season because threw like that in his rookie season. He won the WS MVP that year.

So the pitcher hit two doubles and a homer (see above. He's a freak). It wasn't a pretty game, but they didn't give up when they were down 3 in the 8th. If you were to look at that game in a bubble without considering the beginning of the season you would like the fact that Manuel went all out with their subs to get them back in the game. Its a bit harsh to call them pompous and to me it looks more like a confidence that they'll get back a few of those losses that were disappointing in the first homestand.

You can't win championships in April, but you can lose them. A team that panics in April and starts to get desperate for a win can really damage the whole season. Confidence/pompousness is what it takes to stay the course even when things are rough. Its still early. Think of this as a poker game. If you lose the first few hands you are not eliminated, but you have to play smarter and more consistent to get back to a place where you can take a few risks. I've played with the fools who lose their first two or three hands and go all in on the fifth hand. The results are never good. (Using that analogy you could also say that you'll be at the table all night and just fizzle out because you'll never get the perfect hand. I'm ok with that as long as they don't go out on the fifth hand.)

I'm not always this optomistic, but I like their chances this year, so don't ruin it.

Thanks, you saved me from having to type out something similar.

I was down at the game tonight. I had a great time despite it being a VERY ugly game. You can see the fans starting to get anxious about the start to the year not being great. That's fine, I don't expect people to be happy after a 10-4 smashing by the Nats...but people need to put it in perspective. There's no such thing as a must win game in April. I stand by my earlier comment that you have to wait till about 40 games in before you get a real feel for a team (unless they start 2-12 like Kansas City...then it's a foregone conclusion).

As far as Rowand goes, it depends on your expectations. I think he's lived up to the hype so far, but again, it's something we'll have to wait on before we get a good perspective on him. He's infinitely better on defense than the Lofton/Michaels combo. If he goes 20 HRs and 75 RBIs offensively, that's fine. He's not going to blow you away statisticallly when you look back at it at the end of the season, but he's great at doing the little things you need to do to win.

domelogic

04-21-2006, 12:26 AM

im happy with rowand so far even though he has made some bone head mistakes. it takes some time to adjust to a new ball park. this team is scoring runs but they are always putting themselves in a hole especially at home this year.

hernandez may be a freak but you can never let a pitcher have that kind of game. the disappointing thing was the lack of movement on floyds fastball last nite. you must have that if you are going to groove them down the middle. the bullpen has just plain sucked.

it is true you cant win anything in april but you sure can dig a big hole. if you look at the schedule this month is relatively and easy month and they are playing below the level of teams they should be above. it this play continues at home it is going to get ugly with the fans. my first game will be thursday and i am a little concerned about how they are playing at home. hopefully in a week things will have gotten better.

SnuggleBug

04-21-2006, 09:39 AM

Kyle

04-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Ahhh, i see im dealing with typical "phillies" fans eh? The ones that are still "optomistic" in September thinking that they Phils will finally turn it around and win 12 games in a row to make the playoffs. I like the fact that you guys say, "it's only April".....aren't you tired of saying that every year? Every year it's, "eh, it's only April....eh, it's only May.....eh, it's only June." If you like their chances this year, i don't think the word "optomistic" is the word....it's DELLUSIONAL. Just sit back and get used to the idea that our 10-4 loss is going to be happening quite often this year, AGAIN

Don't worry, there's more of you then there are of us. I suggest you turn on 610, reminisce about how the season's been over since opening day, propose David Bell for Barry Zito trades, and then spend the next 6 months hyping yourself for the Eagles only to get that dream shattered when they go 6-10 again.

The rest of us will enjoy the baseball season.

Bob

04-21-2006, 11:57 AM

Ill enjoy the baseball season, but the starting pitching and bullpen is fuckin awful and the season is over in my book. You cant win without pitching and defense. ill still watch and go just for the love of the game. I cant wait for the NFL draft.

SnuggleBug

04-21-2006, 01:31 PM

Don't worry, there's more of you then there are of us. I suggest you turn on 610, reminisce about how the season's been over since opening day, propose David Bell for Barry Zito trades, and then spend the next 6 months hyping yourself for the Eagles only to get that dream shattered when they go 6-10 again.

The rest of us will enjoy the baseball season.

Who says i wont' enjoy the baseball season? I'll watch the Phillies, Flyers, Eagles, etc.... doesn't mean i can't be realistic. I'm not gonna sit and be oblivious to the fact that the Phillies won't do shit this year AGAIN just b/c i'm a fan. Let's be realistic here, it's very hard to get excited and feel optomistic when history has told us, they will STINK. Until they actually look like they will finally turn this losing franschise around, i will continue to be pesimistic about them. I don't know why you people get offended by this? All im looking for is a fan that is open minded and give some suggestions on how to fix this 20 yr losing franshise. But on a side note, if the Eagles don't come out of the gate with a string of wins, then YES, they most likely will go 6-10 again. But unlike the phillies, they have proved they can win and hopefully last season was just a "bad season". That's why i can give them the benefit of the doubt rather than the Phils. One a side, side note..... If Forsberg stays healthy, flyers win in 6....GO FLYERS

domelogic

04-21-2006, 03:13 PM

snuggle, what would it take for you to be happy? should they be 10-2 at this point? i mean listen to yourself. you are danny downer right from the start of the season. when the eagles werent great in the kotite days(and before that) did you give up a rooting interest or dare i say hope before they played their first game? i mean cmon man i am not happy with the pitching situation but at this point in the season i am not going to shit all over the team. realistic or not, optomistic or not they do play 162 games and we barely have reached a tenth of the games. it is fans like you that expect them to be world beaters every year. sorry bud but this isnt the 70's but i guess history back then told us they stink every year. we get pissed off with fans like you that are pessimistic about a season before it starts.

Now my big question for you is how does the phillies organization fix this "history" of losing problem? what are your solutions. i have railed that they never should have traded polanco, worked on getting a replacement catcher sooner and through free agency or trade done something with their pitching but most of that was impossible with a gm like wade.

the fun of rooting for a team is seeing them turn it around or when they have a suprise season like in 93. i am sure you didnt expect much of them that year since they havent been very good since 83. i agree with kyle in the amount of time you need for a season to develop. now bob on the other hand said their defense sucks, that one i dont get. yes the pitching has been atrocious but fielding has not been the problem.

onepickdaily

04-21-2006, 03:18 PM

I am not too happy right now about how the Phils have played. Last year when they got off to that bad start, their starting pitching actually did a pretty good job, this year is a little different. However, I think that will change.

EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHERS LOVE THE EAGLES NOW!!!! Does anyone remember the early 90's when half the games were blacked out because they couldn't sell-out their home games??

AHH, how times have changed...anyway.... keep listening to WIP, and hating on the PHILS. Just like last year(even though they didn't make the playoffs), I will enjoy the entire season!!!

P.S. Charlie is still going to get fired....VERY SOON!!!

onepickdaily

04-21-2006, 03:25 PM

Howard has been very shaky at 1st and Abreu is by far the worst defensive rightfielder in the game(Other than that, their Defense is Solid). Abreu may not have many errors, but he is petrified of the wall and misjudges too many balls. I know he has a great arm, but it means nothing when there are 2 outs, man on third, and he throws a guy out at 2nd, after the run scores, because he misplays the ball.

In Abreus defense, he has been hitting better in the clutch this year.

ProfessorAnt

04-21-2006, 04:08 PM

i agree that abreu is a defensive nightmare, but burrell has no hustle in him. i hate the fact that he never goes full speed on anything. does he even have a full speed?

yesterday's game notes are here---> http://media2.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1212.pdf

i'll post tonights game notes if they are released soon.

i hope everyone is having fun in this thread. it looks like some people are getting mad and its not about getting mad at each other. we're all Phans here who want to root for a winner and everyone should save the hate for the fucking Mets and Braves fans.

ProfessorAnt

04-21-2006, 05:02 PM

4/21/2006 Game Notes

http://media2.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1213.pdf
Olsen vs. Lieber

ih8Uboo-boo

04-21-2006, 05:53 PM

Granted its early and there' still plenty of baseball to be played, but they're already 5 out and the Mets are looking pretty damn good right now. The main problem that I have is their inability to get enough clutch hits. Add that to the ho-hum attitude that the core of the team gives off and you have a recipe for disaster. You have to hope that the kids (Utley & Howard) can become the leaders that this team DESPERATELY needs...

The good thing is that they can't play this bad at home for the whole season... Can they???

onepickdaily

04-21-2006, 08:12 PM

Nice Crash into the wall from Rowand

Kyle

04-21-2006, 08:38 PM

Honestly, I don't want to really call any of you guys out, because in the end we ARE all Phils fans, but I have to wonder if some of you pay attention.

Last year's Phils team (which in essence, is basically the same personnel on this year's team) was in dead last in the NL East near the end of May, about 7 or 8 games out of first. By the middle of June they were in first

The Astros started the season last year 15 games under .500 and looked so bad, all anyone could talk about was where Clemens would be traded. Not only did they make up the difference, but they made the playoffs and the world series.

The truth is that four games back in April is nothing in baseball. It's an old cliche, but it still stands the test of time: baseball is a marathon. And it's more about how you finish than how you start.

mikeybot

04-21-2006, 08:43 PM

I'll just add in that the Phils are going to get bashed less this season since Wade is gone and since there weren't a ton of improvements, there isn't much expectation for the season.
Or at least that's how I'm viewing it. I'm just glad I can go to a game if I want now(wouldn't because of Eddie).

ProfessorAnt

04-21-2006, 10:15 PM

Nice Crash into the wall from Rowand

i had to come here to see if anyone was going to post it after reading today that he didn't hit the walls. :clap:

SnuggleBug

04-23-2006, 02:17 PM

My problem isn't that they stink, my problem is that they stink AND the majority of the players. What i mean by that is this, here is an example of a player on the Phililes, Last year when we had Wagner (and they should let anyone go with this attitude as well), but if you remember Wagner calling everyone out on the team for losing, EVEN THE FANS, and i don't remember him saying shit about himself. We were suppose to ignore the fact that, "oooh im billy wagner, i can throw fast balls, and that's it, I got a wooden spoon, DUUUURRR" He blamed the team, the fans, and the ballpark for him blowing saves b/c asshole can't throw anything else but a "fast ball". That is what bothers me most and why i have a hard time rooting for this team. Instead of making excuses on why they can't win, just go out and play as hard as they can and keep trying, and if they stink and lose, well i want them to be honest and take the Jon Lieber route, " I suck right now, i don't know what else to say, all i can say is that it's my fault and im just going to keep trying till i don't suck anymore, plain and simple". So with that kinda honesty and owning up, i now put Lieber on my very short list of phillies i like on this team, along with Utely, Howard, and im still on the fence with Rowand. If the phillies change their attitude and take notes from Lieber then i wouldn't be so pessimistic. I've said my peace and i have no other reason to post anymore "danny downer" posts. Venting is over and now the optomistic posts (hopefully) will now ensue

domelogic

04-23-2006, 08:36 PM

snuggle, i will absolutely agree with you on the lieber attitude. it was refreshing to hear that and kudos to him to have the guts to admit it. i also hope that utley and howard can take control of this team and provide the right attitude. good start today with the way utley went crazy on the umpire for an absolute horrendous call. that ump should be fined for blowing a call that badly and to make matters worse he ejected two players for his mistake. if you read this post and havent seen the 496' moonshot howard hit today make sure you do. that has to be the first from any player to arrive at ashburn alley. great game by meyers today and so far he has looked solid this season. unfortunately the rain out from yesterday probably will not allow me to see him pitch on thursday.

ProfessorAnt

04-24-2006, 03:56 PM

what a fun game yesterday. i am so glad i saw howard's bomb with my own eyes! utley's defiance definitely got the team and the crowd into the game early. thanks Chase.

here are the notes from yesterday:
http://media2.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1214.pdf

Kyle

04-25-2006, 06:19 PM

Cole Hamels has been promoted from A ball to AAA-Scranton.

Looks to me like they're fast tracking him to the majors in case Madson and/or Floyd can't pull it together at the back end of the rotation.

Here's the story:
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060424&content_id=1416208&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

Mother Shucker

04-25-2006, 06:35 PM

I think that the only starter that is a clear cut advantage at the "#1 starter" because of Pedro, but the gap is closer because of Pedro's gimpy toe.

Both staffs have a TON of question marks as far as the 2-5 positions go...

The Phils have had success against Glavine, while Traschcel when healthy seems to own them. Lidle and Zambrano are a wash... If Madsen/Floyd/Bannister come through as decent prospects, it will definitely be an interesting race...

But I don't think that either team has the pitching to make enough noise in the playoffs...
Care to rethink this? I believe we do have PLENTY of pitching to make PLENTY of noise in the playoffs.

Kyle

04-25-2006, 06:55 PM

Care to rethink this? I believe we do have PLENTY of pitching to make PLENTY of noise in the playoffs.

Just like a Mets fan to write his ticket to the World Series before the end of April.

I'd love for you to tell me how many more 12 K games you think Glavine will through this year.

ih8Uboo-boo

04-25-2006, 11:17 PM

Care to rethink this? I believe we do have PLENTY of pitching to make PLENTY of noise in the playoffs.

Nope.

Talk to me when they shut down a good offiensive team...

domelogic

04-27-2006, 11:47 PM

went to the game today. wow was that place empty. maybe about 15k there even though paid attendance had it at 21k. they are going to have to do something with this pitching staff. lieber got hit hard but held his own and only gave up 3 runs. the bull pen is terrible. i still wont grill franklin but i have seen him pitch only twice this year and he got shelled both times. the team is not hitting consistently enough. after the first inning their bats fell asleep. 4-5 homestand doesnt cut it against the competition they faced(even though the rockies have some nice young talent). the fans never had a chance to get into the game after the first inning.

i believe that manuel will not survive may, hamels will be brought up by the end of may and maybe at the expense of floyd. this is a typical april start for a team that cant afford to lose a series at home that they should beat. this team was getting killed on wip on my way home.

Mick32

04-28-2006, 07:40 AM

If failing to fill up even half of that new stadium for Business Person Specials after firing the GM for the fans, I can't imagine Cholly is going to last much longer. He's the next sacrifice that the fanbase wants.

Johnny Manf

04-28-2006, 08:21 AM

Hamels struck out 14 in his Triple A debut.

Kyle

04-28-2006, 03:29 PM

Hamels struck out 14 in his Triple A debut.

Punch hits ticket to the majors NOW before he hurts his back again or gets in another bar fight.

Unless they go into a big slide, Charlie will last a while. Besides, who replaces him? Pinella is the only "name" guy out there, and that guy makes Larry Bowa look tame. You'd probably be looking at either Jim Fregosi or Terry Pendleton as their next manager. Those were the two 'runner-ups' from the last managerial search and both are still available.

Although, that was Ed Wade's manager search...who knows who Gillick may have in mind.

The Phils will have to sweep the Pirates in Pittsburgh this weekend to finish the month at .500. It's certainly doable, but 2 out of 3 is more likely.

A look at the upcoming schedule:
@Pit
@Fla
vs Atl
vs SF
vs NYM

Season series with Atlanta and New York are starting up. If they win both of those of those, they'll be right in the thick of things...if they lose, it'll be just a bigger hole to start the season they'll have to dig themselves out of. So those are both worth checking out. I also might get some Giants tickets if Bonds hasn't passed Ruth before then. Even with all the controversy surrounding the guy, it'd be cool to be in the house for that.

ProfessorAnt

04-29-2006, 08:24 PM

http://www.upload2.net/download2/4SeUJN6ezgwcI9K/3200_1221.pdf.html
STARTING UP: Phillies starters have struck out 95 batters this season, 5th highest in the NL, trailing the Brewers (120), Diamondbacks (104) and Reds and Mets (100) … In addition, with the Astros, they have walked the 2nd-fewest batters (37), only the Dodgers have walked fewer (35) … Four times this season the Phillies starters have not issued a walk … In 15 of their last 18 starts, they’ve walked 2 batters or less.

I am sticking with my earlier assessment that they have 2 #2s and 3 #5s. They need a lot of work but April is a good time to get the kinks out.

ih8Uboo-boo

04-29-2006, 10:37 PM

wow... just wow

you gotta beat the bad teams...

ProfessorAnt

04-29-2006, 11:22 PM

that was shit. i'm so glad i have learned restraint because years ago i would be online shopping for a new tv after tonight. swinging at a 3-1 with the bases loaded in the 9th of a one run game after the relief pitcher has yet to throw a strike is fucking unacceptable. if that pitch misses, you get a run and if it hits you get the 3-2.

ih8Uboo-boo

04-29-2006, 11:30 PM

that is the shit I am tired of seeing. Any chance that you watched the post game show??? Marzano kinda went off... I got a chuckle out of it...

dude, I am sure that I am not the only one to ask, but where the fuck is your avatar from?

ProfessorAnt

04-30-2006, 12:24 AM

that is the shit I am tired of seeing. Any chance that you watched the post game show??? Marzano kinda went off... I got a chuckle out of it...

he tends to piss me off with his negativity and the fact that he was a shit player. he played in 300 games in 10 seasons and was only a phillie by association. he's a philly boy with a mic so everything he says has to be true, right? i was kinda listening and heard him say that the manager should go in and start breaking stuff. what the fuck is that? they're in a hitting slump and freaking out doesn't make it any better. i hate the fact that every night he has "the solution" to get them to the world series. do you John? do you? i was in the comcast box with him once last season and he's just a regular guy who is at the stadium for the games. i had to chuckle because he was at the snack table and the bar (just soda, sorry) for more of the game then he was watching the game. on that cable show he's billed as a former player with great insight, when in reality he's a washed up athlete with a ton of opinions. i didn't open this response to trash John Marzano, but its been bugging me. he's cool, but i would rather hear some new opinions every once in a while. and while i'm thinking about it why the fuck does comcast sn insist on adding chicks to their shows just to be equal opportunity employers. Lance Crawford is bad/gay enough and then they add more chicks to the lineup to appease the female audience? there aren't any women playing the major sports, why are they forcefed to us as hacky reporters. Dei Lynam is the exception since her daddy was the Sixers assistant coach. I don't know if you guys watch CSN much but it has a ton of potential with the access they have and more often than not they don't say anything. and then they get these philly newpaper columnists that arent ready for tv and call it a show. dreck. (i must admit i love the train wreck that is bill conlin because he is losing his marbles but they still invite him and that other old dude on and they sound like blithering idiots) i still watch csn it because espn is just one fancy computer graphic away from becoming unwatchable. jesus. and that sound that they play on sportscenter is like a mix between a dog howl and the whistle that you hear when you are sitting in the front of a speed boat mixed in with the hum of the refrigerator and a woman screaming during a **** scene. tell me you've noticed that sound clip.

yeah, i agree with marzano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marzajo01.shtml)that he shouldn't have swung at that pitch.

dude, I am sure that I am not the only one to ask, but where the fuck is your avatar from?

i don't know what you're talking about. http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=42301

ProfessorAnt

05-01-2006, 11:14 PM

i'll have a side of humble pie with my words entrée tonight. so charlie freaks out and the phils show a sign of life. i'm glad they hit willis even if it wasn't until the 7th.

I hope they can build off this comeback even if it was off the fish. and I did agree with jmarz tonight to. yuk.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-02-2006, 01:26 AM

Its not about being right or wrong.

Sometimes players need a kick in the ass. I'm sure that Marzano sensed that after Saturday's game. Agreeing with him is not the end of the world though...

Just because someone doesn't have enough talent to be an everyday player doesn't mean that you should discount their knowledge of the game and their ability to be an analyst. What else do you have to do as a bench player other than strategize??? Some of your better managers were marginal players. Some guys do a pretty good job, others not so well...

Personally, I think that he's a better analyst than Quick, Propp and Wheeler combined. I don't really watch the post game too much but when I do, he seems to do a good job of pointing out what they did right when they won and what they did wrong when they lost. That is all that you can ask him to do. They just happen to be losing more than they are winning right now, so its mostly negative things that he is pointing out right now, and its frustrating.

I don't think they have, but I hope that they've turned the corner too...

Kyle

05-02-2006, 10:24 PM

Personally, I think that he's a better analyst than Quick, Propp and Wheeler combined.

I would rather listen to John Sterling catchpharses on an endless loop than Wheeler. un-listenable!

Now, about this game I'm watching tonight: I think everybody knew the Marlins would be pretty bad this year, but this team is atrocious. They blow a 5-1 lead last night. Tonight they get down 3-1, come back to take the lead 5-3, and then proceed to blow it again. This has worked out well for the Phils, and a good way to start the week.

Phils lead 7-5 heading into the 8th. Should be pretty academic...Rhodes in the 8th, Gordon to close.

domelogic

05-03-2006, 12:35 AM

thank god the marlins fielding sucks. they had no business beating dontrell last nite but it might be the game that turns the team around. they were lifeless in there last home game i went to and the series with pitt just plain sucked. i think they are going to have to score 5 runs a game to win most of their games. two comebacks in a row against teams they should beat isnt great but at least it puts them on the right track.

i want to thank manuel for something though. not letting cormier pitch to many batters is the best way to use him and it saves me from committing suicide when he pitches. btw i turned off the channel when franklin came into pitch since he doesnt do well when i watch him

ih8Uboo-boo

05-03-2006, 11:25 AM

I would rather listen to John Sterling catchpharses on an endless loop than Wheeler.

That is the one thing that ALL phillies fans agree on... Wheeler Sucks...

ProfessorAnt

05-03-2006, 11:56 AM

THE PHILLIES BULLPEN:
Has allowed only 6 ER in its last 40.0 innings (1.35 ERA; 12 G) … Had a 13.1-inning scoreless streak during the first week of the season.
Is one of two NL teams to have not blown a save (7-for-7; Cubs, 7-for-7).
Has a combined 155 saves: Tom Gordon (123), Arthur Rhodes (26), Aaron Fultz (3), Rheal Cormier (2) and Julio Santana (1).

in reality april was supposed to be an easy month with lots of games against sub-par (pirates & nationals) and young (marlins) teams but it was a struggle. they only won 5 of 12 to teams that ended april with less wins than the phils. if they plan on improving on last season they have to have four hot months now. 10-14 in april translates to 16 wins per month to get to 92 wins. 2 wins already in may gets them on the right track, but they have to win a few from the mets (6 games #1 in NLeast) and braves and they still have boston #1 ALeast cincinatti #1 NLcentral and sanfran. Its a good time to get on a winning streak.

2005 splits
Month (Games)
April (24) 10-14
May (28) 15-13
June (27) 15-12
July (27)15-12
August (27) 16-11
September (27) 15-12
October (2) 2-0

Another thing to think about is that the attendance has been abysmal this season for weekday games. Is this a sign that fans have already given up on the team? Now that the Phils are the only team in town, they need to give people something to hope for. This is the time for them to grab the opportunity and get something started. Hopefully Manuel's tear was the spark that will ignite the may fire! Go phils.

MilkmanDan

05-04-2006, 06:43 PM

Well the offseason was Abysmal, they basically stood pat besides the pickups of Gordon and Rowand who didnt exactly make big headlines with the average fan. The "new park" novelty has worn off (although I havent been there yet), and they're featuring one of the lousiest starting lineups in baseball. Myers is good, after him... myeh. Bring up Cole Hamels, let Gavin Floyd develope this year before yanking him out of rotation too early. Madson back to relief, Jon Lieber should be cut.

ProfessorAnt

05-04-2006, 08:37 PM

fuck pat.

ProfessorAnt

05-04-2006, 09:43 PM

fuck pat.

domelogic

05-04-2006, 10:38 PM

fuck pat.

what does that mean? since you posted it at two different times it must mean something.

Kyle

05-04-2006, 11:05 PM

Well, the Phils are out of the Jame Gumb hole they dug for themselves and back to .500.

Phils Phever (with a 'ph'...wocka wocka) is heating up.

I'd like to see them build on the momentum, especially with the first Mets series coming up next week.

ProfessorAnt

05-05-2006, 10:30 AM

what does that mean? since you posted it at two different times it must mean something.

First this: "Burrell, who was on first base, [forgot] how many outs there were and got doubled up on Howard's fly ball." And then he can't track down a pop fly in front of him. Rollins was basically playing left field when Pat called him off and let the ball drop to the ground. He has no hustle and the worst attitude. I am a fan of "baseball" players; the guys who give 100% every game. Rollins, Utley, Rowand, Howard. [note 100% not more than that. just give me what you got]

It makes me angry when players like Burrell and Abreu are lackadaisical. When they miss the playoffs by one game again you can rest assured that there will be one or two of these mistakes or bonehead plays that cost you the chance to get to the playoffs. They are not threatening to win the division against ATL and NY, so they will have to take the Wild Card and there are going to be a lot of teams in contention again. Yes they won last night, but you just can't afford to forget how many outs there are in a game where you are already trailing in the first inning.

dirtypennyhole

05-05-2006, 10:40 AM

I totally agree with ya ProAnt. Knowing how many outs there are is something you learn in little league. You can't be making those stupid mistakes as a professional, especially when everyone already sees him as a cocky, lazy player. But he did redeem himself a couple of innings later with a RbI single. and he is leading the team in RBIs, but he still is a lazy fuck.

What does everybody think about Bonds coming to town?????

domelogic

05-05-2006, 02:37 PM

aahhh professor ant didnt realize that is what you were talking about the times here are off for est. yes i was slightly pissed myself and the fact that it was him and abreu who got a good chuckle out of it a couple of innings later when the same scenario came up proves your point. i was pissed first cuz he lost track of the outs but secondly how about busting some tail to get back to the bag. your second point of him not really hustling to get that pop fly was ridiculous. the announcers said he isnt moving very well but wtf . i dont mind if a player tries hard and comes up short but to be able to see that type of attitude from watching on tv or in the stands is down right pathetic. sometimes i wish howard would jack his ass up and have a come to jesus meeting.

good streak they have going, lets see if they can keep it up. i love what lidle had to say about bonds. i think he is a walking circus which is a shame for what this talented player did before juicing. the only proper thing to do is to boo his ass philly style and then kick it on the way out. i would rather see the team win though and concentrate on that.

Kyle

05-06-2006, 12:44 PM

domelogic

05-06-2006, 06:53 PM

Went to the game last night...all I can say is wow.

Bonds got it as bad as I've ever heard anyone get it in that stadium. Two very loud, very audible chants of "Fuck You Bonds" and "Asshole."

And I can only imagine what was being tossed his way out in left field. You could see by his whole body language the guy was extremely pissed.

I'm not a Bonds hater at all...but I have to appreciate what those animals at the ballpark did to rattle the guy.

all i can say is nice! i loved the banner that said ruth did it by drinking beer and eating hotdogs. bonds is an arrogant asshole and dont think that mcguire wouldnt be getting shit if he was still playing. i saw an interview with willie mays and they asked him about bonds and he said he told him to shut up sometimes. he said he makes things worse for himself with his attitude. it makes it tough to like a guy who obviously took something to make his body explode the way it did when you have guys like schmidt and foster hitting close to 50 homeruns and we all think it was an absolute monster year. imagine if they had taken steriods.

kyle, what is the reaction to floyd by the fans? he pitched pretty well last nite. it was another good win and one that should help bring back fans to the park during the week. just keep having guys like utley, howard and rowand lead the way and we will be alright.

Kyle

05-07-2006, 02:23 AM

all i can say is nice! i loved the banner that said ruth did it by drinking beer and eating hotdogs. bonds is an arrogant asshole and dont think that mcguire wouldnt be getting shit if he was still playing. i saw an interview with willie mays and they asked him about bonds and he said he told him to shut up sometimes. he said he makes things worse for himself with his attitude. it makes it tough to like a guy who obviously took something to make his body explode the way it did when you have guys like schmidt and foster hitting close to 50 homeruns and we all think it was an absolute monster year. imagine if they had taken steriods.

kyle, what is the reaction to floyd by the fans? he pitched pretty well last nite. it was another good win and one that should help bring back fans to the park during the week. just keep having guys like utley, howard and rowand lead the way and we will be alright.

Floyd got a nice ovation when Manuel took him out in the 7th, but they were pretty lukewarm to him in the sense that they didn't show a lot of emotion one way or another the whole night as far as he went

It was an odd start for him. It was a by the book quality start (he gave up 3 runs in 6 innings), but he had a pretty weak ball to strike ratio and seemed to pitch into a lot of jams only to get lucky with some hard hit balls that were hit right at fielders.

It reminded me a lot of watching Robinson Tejeda last year...but lasting that long and keeping your team in command can't be construed as anything but a step in the right direction. And I think the fans generally left the park satisfied.

askewcore

05-08-2006, 02:55 PM

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8653/mlbgastericks4129xc.jpg

Fuckin hysterical. Philly fans are such sarcastic motherfuckers. I love it.

onepickdaily

05-08-2006, 08:46 PM

Did anyone see my WOW sign, or HOO HOO I INVENTED CHEATING SIGN???

How about the "CHAR" sign as Bonds walked back into the dugout after hitting the homerun????

I was sitting right behind the Giants Dugout!!!

Bonds wife was sitting 6 seats from me...she called security and got them to take my other signs.......

"STERIODS MAKES THE BALLS SMALLER"

"BANDAIDS=$3
NEEDLES=$30
STERIODS=$400

GETTING AWAY WITH CHEATING...PRICELESS"

I was going trying to the same seats for GAYDRO tomorrow...but it fell through!!!

www.onepickdaily.com

VinnyBlackJack

05-09-2006, 12:31 AM

ih8Uboo-boo

05-09-2006, 09:56 AM

I missed the sign, but I hope that you spelled steroids right on your sign...

onepickdaily

05-09-2006, 10:23 AM

Proof??? I can get you a pair of the same tickets if you are interested.

Nope...I think I spelled it STERIODS..... Ahh, whatever, he got the point!!! I did spell CHAR and WOW right!!

www.onepickdaily.com

ProfessorAnt

05-09-2006, 05:49 PM

here are today's game notes:
http://media5.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1230.pdf

i was considering voicing my opinion about our opponent, but i'm not sure who will read this.

sunday night's game was awesome. we had a fucking blast in left chanting @ barry. what a boob.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/955/image000282gu.jpg
also, i think saturday may have been a record attendance night for may @ CBP. 44042. i'll have to check the media guide to see where it ranks.

domelogic

05-09-2006, 09:10 PM

ant you should have gone on your rant. the phils are up 3-0 and i am certain that a certain mets fan who started another thread(which has since been deleted) would be here saying something if they had the lead.

does anyone know the extent of burrell's injury? he is moving for shit in the outfield and want to know how legit the problem is. thanks for the game notes.

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:15 PM

Shane Victorino!! There's a motherfucking ballplayer!

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:16 PM

Shane Victorino!! There's a motherfucking ballplayer!
Congrats Phillies fans. You are the first team to score on Sanchez this year. :clap: :clap:

You are also the first team that I was seriously worried about going into the series. Kudos to you and your team

domelogic

05-09-2006, 10:25 PM

Congrats Phillies fans. You are the first team to score on Sanchez this year. :clap: :clap:

You are also the first team that I was seriously worried about going into the series. Kudos to you and your team

yea well shit! you just did the same thing to gordon

again shit, shit shit fucking delgado just looks mean at the plate

meyers pitched a great game.

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:27 PM

yea well shit! you just did the same thing to gordon

again shit, shit shit fucking delgado just looks mean at the plate

meyers pitched a great game.
A game of firsts.

May the best team win. And right now, I don't know who that is. We may be 4 games up on you, but you guys are a roll. So, good luck.

Other than the double play opportunity, why are they walking Floyd? He is our weakest hitter right now.

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:32 PM

A game of firsts.

May the best team win. And right now, I don't know who that is. We may be 4 games up on you, but you guys are a roll. So, good luck.

Other than the double play opportunity, why are they walking Floyd? He is our weakest hitter right now.

because he notoriously kills the Phillies.

domelogic

05-09-2006, 10:34 PM

wow did we need that gift to get out of the inning

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Wow, was that close. The Phils need to kill this game in the 9th.

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:35 PM

wow did we need that gift to get out of the inning
Now do you see why I call Matsui a worthless nip?

Damn I wish his visa were to get lost so he had to get deported back to Japan. Or if not that, he breaks his leg in 50 places.

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:36 PM

Now do you see why I call Matsui a worthless nip?

Damn I wish his visa were to get lost so he had to get deported back to Japan. Or if not that, he breaks his leg in 50 places.

To be fair, it was probably a bullshit call. Kudos to Julio Franco for sticking up for his guy.

But Matsui is generally a waste of space.

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:39 PM

To be fair, it was probably a bullshit call. Kudos to Julio Franco for sticking up for his guy.

But Matsui is generally a waste of space.
To be fair, I hope Matsui falls into a pothole filled with AIDS

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:40 PM

To be fair, I hope Matcui falls into a pothole filled with AIDS

Well, when you put it that way...:clap:

SnuggleBug

05-09-2006, 10:43 PM

hey what's the right fielder's name for the mets? he's getting killed with those balls flying towards him

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:44 PM

hey what's the right fielder's name for the mets? he's getting killed with those balls flying towards him

Xavier Nady

SnuggleBug

05-09-2006, 10:45 PM

that's it, thanks.....Bobby flies out?

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:46 PM

hey what's the right fielder's name for the mets? he's getting killed with those balls flying towards him
Xavier Nady. He's a damn good player too.

Usually.

Dammit, As much as I trust Heilman, I don't trust the Phillies to just roll over. Espcially not Abreu. I think you guys got it today.

Holy shit, that was right down the pipe and they called it a ball? What the fuck?

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:46 PM

Wow, if you're Bobby...you've got to take one for the team there.

Nevermind...great job, Bobby.

CM Mark

05-09-2006, 10:47 PM

Good game Phillies fans. Better team won.

Kudos

SnuggleBug

05-09-2006, 10:47 PM

why the fuck didn't bobby take that pitch?!?!?! he could have won the game right there, but.............holy shit as im typing this, WOW, what a VERY STRANGE WIN

domelogic

05-09-2006, 10:47 PM

mets in the gift giving mood thank god good win phils!!

Ballbuster1

05-09-2006, 10:48 PM

Nice! Bobby should have taken the hit on that bad pitch but it all worked out OK.

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:49 PM

Nine in a row. These guys are just kicking ass.

Bud8Weiser

05-09-2006, 10:50 PM

Nice! Bobby should have taken the hit on that bad pitch but it all worked out OK.
I thought the same thing. Should have taken one for the team but a wins a win. I don't care how they got it as long as the won. Great job. :clap:

domelogic

05-09-2006, 10:50 PM

Wow, if you're Bobby...you've got to take one for the team there.

Nevermind...great job, Bobby.

damn kyle i was thinking the same thing but natural instinct took over. did the pitcher fall down on that throw?

gally, i hope every game they play is as good as this one. it will make the season series worth watching

SnuggleBug

05-09-2006, 10:51 PM

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:53 PM

Through the magic of Tivo, I went back and took another look...it's easy to sit here and say "Yes, he should have taken the hit by a 94 MPH fastball" but I think domelogic is right...it's just an instinctual reaction.

Fantastic game.

Kyle

05-09-2006, 10:54 PM

this is still hard to believe the phils win streak right now......does this mean a VERY long losing streak is right around the corner to even them out? haha, im gonna get trashed for being pestimistic

Probably not...this is actually correcting the wrongs of earlier in the season when they got swept by St. Louis and lost two of three to LA. That was the losing streak.

MilkmanDan

05-09-2006, 10:54 PM

this is still hard to believe the phils win streak right now......does this mean a VERY long losing streak is right around the corner to even them out? haha, im gonna get trashed for being pestimistic

Hehe nah you're just used to it happening, tough to be a fan of Phila teams. Tom Gordons first blown save of the year, well guess it had to happen sometime

Ballbuster1

05-09-2006, 10:55 PM

Through the magic of Tivo, I went back and took another look...it's easy to sit here and say "Yes, he should have been taken the hit by a 94 MPH fastball" but I think domelogic is right...it's just an instinctual reaction.

Fantastic game.
I totally agree. It's just not in you to get hit, but it was the perfect
pitch to put the game away. I don't blame him for getting out of the way.

domelogic

05-09-2006, 10:55 PM

not tonite snuggle everyone is in to good a mood after that win. it would not have been the way to start a series against the mets if they had lost that. 9 in a row, starts to make you think about the fans that were packing it in 5 games into the season. long season with a ton of games left. i am sure they will lose a few in a row at some point but not right now.

domelogic

05-10-2006, 09:12 AM

dont know how true this is but i just heard cole hamels is going to pitch friday in cincy. he is scheduled to pitch in aaa that day. if this is true floyd can punch his ticket back to aaa

ProfessorAnt

05-10-2006, 10:14 AM

dont know how true this is but i just heard cole hamels is going to pitch friday in cincy. he is scheduled to pitch in aaa that day. if this is true floyd can punch his ticket back to aaa

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/baseball/14540564.htm

i would expect that they move madsen to the pen, but there is lot to consider. hamels is a big fish in the small pond now. a poor major league debut could set him back and since he's only 22 what's the rush? i guess now would be a decent time to get him in the rotation considering the phils are providing run support for their pitchers, but to me it feels a little early.

what's with all the Met lovin here last night? It wasn't that sweet at the ballpark. last night was a gift. it could have gone either way and met fans have some valid arguements about the umps (caught stealing & bad strikes), but its a long season and he phils will get their fair share of bad breaks. the ump last night was all over the place. pedro may have gotten a few gifts too.

Kyle

05-10-2006, 01:38 PM

Floyd has to stay in the rotation. I think he needs a full season in the majors under his belt if they're ever going to be able to gauge what kind of future value he has. They need to just leave him in the #5 spot and see what kind of numbers he compiles by the end of the season before they make their decision on him.

Madson to the bullpen makes more sense. If he pitches like he did in the past, it strenghtens and already pretty strong bullpen, but more importantly, you can use him as a chip to maybe trade later in the year. There's always a huge market for middle relievers at the trading deadline where teams will overpay for them, and Madson's young enough and has had enough success that he'll command a lot of interest to where the Phils could get a player to help them this year or some nice prospects for him.

My only concern is whether moving him back to the pen from the rotation will mess up his psyche or his timing.

EDIT: It's official

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted on Wed, May. 10, 2006

Hamels is officially promoted to Phils, starts Friday in Cincinnati

By Todd Zolecki
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

It's official. As reported in The Inquirer today, prized lefthander Cole Hamels is making his highly anticipated major-league debut Friday in Cincinnati.

The Phillies announced this morning they will move righthander Ryan Madson, who had been scheduled to start Friday, into the bullpen. The Phillies also said they will make a roster move before Friday's game to make room for Hamels on the 25-man roster.

Hamels, 22, is 3-1 with a 1.04 ERA in seven combined starts for triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and single-A Clearwater. He has 65 strikeouts in 43 1/3 innings, and has held opponets to a .168 average.

He is the team's first-round pick in 2002.

dirtypennyhole

05-10-2006, 02:04 PM

domelogic

05-10-2006, 03:04 PM

ok the madsen to the bullpen thing makes sense but they should have done that from the beginning of the season. who went on the dl to allow hamels to come up? that is why i thought they would put floyd down. i am suprised that they would not allow him to make his first start at home but maybe the pressure will be less intense on the road. i think they also realized that having no lefties in the their starting rotation isnt the greatest idea.

hamels had 36k's to one walk in 23 innings pitched at aaa

something about wagner rubs me the wrong way. but some fan made me laugh reading this: Wagner got the worst insult just before beginning his ascent up the steps toward the visitors' bullpen. A stray triangular piece of cheese pelted him in the chest, a reference to Wagner's assertion that he had been called a "rat" last season by Pat Burrell.

then this is what he had to say upon hearing some jeering from fans: "Typical stuff," he said. "Apparently, I was the reason we lost every game last year."

I will give him credit though, he sat out in the open and not under cover. it would be nice to have him come into a tie game and then lose it.

ProfessorAnt

05-10-2006, 04:43 PM

I just want to give a big FUCK YOU to that faggott Mets fan that likes starting new threads that that say -Phillies fans:suck my cock-. I know it got deleted but i really wish it was still up there so that fag could get demolished by us phillies fans. I know it's a long season and everything, but we started off this series right and i would just like to shove it in his fat face a little bit. SO anyway fuck you dude

i believe it was here http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?p=999114 now its locked.

i'm sorry if i was the reason that was deleted. i had a rather lengthy response that ended with FU. it may have been construed as an attack on other members. i did not intend to fan the flames and my response was heavily loaded with sarcasm. i would like to see how the mets fans responded after last night. i hope a mod sees this and re-opens the thread.
:fight6:

Kyle

05-10-2006, 05:00 PM

I also want to voice my support for re-opening that thread. Someone takes a shot like that at Phils fans and then gets to skate on the issue because the thread is closed. He should have to endure every last tender sentiment thrown his way as the Phils continue to steamroll up the ladder.

City View

05-10-2006, 05:06 PM

onepickdaily

05-10-2006, 05:25 PM

Mets fans last night were ridiculous, not to mention unoriginal at any attempts to talk shit. Anytime anyone would start fucking with them, their only response was "ughh look at the standings" Wow, first place in mid May!!!! Look out, season's over! Tools...

90% of them were friggin Rican. I had one Jackass tell me, "you are watching the 2006 World Series Champs"...um 32 games into the season...OK!!!!

I wanted to puke watching them waive their Puerto Rican flags every time one of their players got a hit.

MilkmanDan

05-11-2006, 04:25 PM

Well the streak had to come to an end at some point. I'm still disappointed in the Phillies starting lineup but glad Hamels and Floyd both in the rotation now. By the way the Wagner Rat-Cheese thrower was the Phillies Catcher-Coach.

askewcore

05-11-2006, 04:29 PM

I seen a truck driving the other day and on the back of the truck in the dirt he wrote:

My
Entire
Teams
Spanish

I thought that was really funny, instead of the usual

My
Entire
Team
Stinks

MilkmanDan

05-11-2006, 04:43 PM

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4628/playboyaugust20038ni.jpg

Cole Hamels girlfriend on the left. He now stinks and I dont like him, because I'm jealous.

domelogic

05-11-2006, 07:57 PM

i officially bow down to cole after seeing that photo. if he does well we might see eude brito brought up next. he is kicking some major ass in scranton.

askewcore

05-11-2006, 08:32 PM

Wow, I got some killer timing. I flip the channel to the Mets game and get to see Aaron Rowand make a sick catch and break his nose.

domelogic

05-11-2006, 11:27 PM

that is one of the best catches i have ever seen. he will get nothing but love from phillies fans after that. i cant imagine the support and confidence that gave floyd considering the circumstances in the game. the best part is if this game doesnt resume the phils took the series which was something they needed against a hot club.

askewcore

05-11-2006, 11:29 PM

City View

05-11-2006, 11:41 PM

Rowand will make at least a couple more catches like that this year. He's fearless and runs down everything out there.

Did he actually break his nose? It sure did look like it when I saw it, and I'm sure by now they gave you guys a real update.

He did break it. Comcast Sportsnite showed Rowand arrive via ambulance to Thomas Jefferson Hospital to have it checked out.

I thought Rowand was the man prior to this, now there is no doubt. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

domelogic

05-11-2006, 11:43 PM

Did he actually break his nose? It sure did look like it when I saw it, and I'm sure by now they gave you guys a real update.[/QUOTE]

watching comcast they said he definitely broke his nose but were unsure whether he would be able to play with it. if it is not to bad he can wear a mask like in bball. the cameras actually followed the ambulance to the hospital since they were in a rain delay

damn brokaw you beat me to it

askewcore

05-11-2006, 11:44 PM

The Mets channel is showing that game they whipped your asses in, I guess it was game 2, when Glavine pitched. I guess the Met fans need to be reassured they are the greatest team ever ever ever ever.

domelogic

05-11-2006, 11:54 PM

that is the one thing i give the phillies credit for. even though we havent made the playoffs since 93 they will still show the year in review during some rain delays. i wouldnt show last nites game again even if i were a mets fan. with the amount of errors the phils made and watching a pitcher throw batting practice isnt all the inspiring. but if that keeps the fans happy then go for it

its official the phils win the rain shortened game. good homestand and back to 3 out.

askewcore

05-12-2006, 12:00 AM

Kyle

05-12-2006, 12:03 AM

They know if they dont keep showing the Mets fans good things, they'll turn on the team as soon as they hit a slide. Mets fans are the most fickle sports fans ever. Watch, when they collapse at the end of the season, they'll all be bitching up a storm and begging for Willie Randolph's head...again, like they did ALL last season.

Yeah, I'm sure the "Mets Pride" bandwagon has been slowed down a little. Reality is a bitch that way.

Now we can strap in for Cole "The Messiah" Hamels tomorrow...

...what, too soon? :)

Ballbuster1

05-12-2006, 12:05 AM

According to MLB.com, they called it an official game and gave the Phils the win.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=phi

ih8Uboo-boo

05-12-2006, 12:08 AM

Aaron Rowand + Phenominal Catch = Instant Philly Legend

I wonder if you'll see the other 2 outfielders TRY and make that type of play...

blinkdmb

05-12-2006, 12:41 AM

Rowands catch was fantastic. It was one of the best I have ever seen. I saw it live on MLBTV online tonight. You could acutally see the thick mucusy viscus blood flowing out of his nose. The MLB.com replay is lame, they don't really even show it alot. In unrelated news did anyone see Matsui's wrist fucking snap like a twig. Think Sid Vicious!

askewcore

05-12-2006, 01:02 AM

In unrelated news did anyone see Matsui's wrist fucking snap like a twig. Think Sid Vicious!

It wasnt as bad as that. But it was nasty, I knew it was broken as soon as he did it.

ProfessorAnt

05-12-2006, 10:48 AM

Aaron Rowand + Phenominal Catch = Instant Philly Legend

I wonder if you'll see the other 2 outfielders TRY and make that type of play...

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4803/rowand2fz.gif

the best part is what is did for the team. game saving catch.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-12-2006, 11:18 AM

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4803/rowand2fz.gif

the best part is what is did for the team. game saving catch.

Which is EXACTLY the thing that this team was missing for the past couple years...

Bobby's expression after the catch is priceless...

domelogic

05-12-2006, 12:02 PM

yeah abreu's expression was great and no i dont think either outfielder will make an attempt at that type of catch ever. my dissappointment came with the phils bullpen. no one really reacted the way i think most fans did. i came out of my seat on that catch. this catch was made right in front of them with the bases loaded, two outs in the first inning. hopefully he wont be gone for that long. instant fan fav who should have his own rooting section like fasano after that gem.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-12-2006, 04:41 PM

Rowand's Rowdies???

ProfessorAnt

05-12-2006, 04:47 PM

Rowand's Rowdies???

aaron's aassholes.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-12-2006, 05:30 PM

that's a bit harsh don't ya think???

MilkmanDan

05-12-2006, 05:47 PM

Maybe the most famous phillies catch ever besides Bob Boone / Pete Rose in the 1980 world series where it pops out of boones glove and rose grabs it.
One negative thing though, this is why I think it was stupid to lose Jason Michaels. Now we're going to have to go with a subpar Centerfielder for awhile. I mean who... Victorino ? ugg.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-12-2006, 06:23 PM

The ultimate in irony...

Rowand had lobbied the Phils earlier in the season to put padding over the metal bar on top of the fence. The team complied with a special order for the padding, which, according to club vice president of public relations Larry Shenk, arrived Tuesday... and was scheduled to be installed during the road trip that begins today in Cincinnati.

Bob

05-13-2006, 01:11 AM

NY Mets 22 13 .629 -
Philadelphia 20 15 .571 2

2 games back? ooopps!

domelogic

05-13-2006, 10:20 AM

Ahhh, i see im dealing with typical "phillies" fans eh? The ones that are still "optomistic" in September thinking that they Phils will finally turn it around and win 12 games in a row to make the playoffs. I like the fact that you guys say, "it's only April".....aren't you tired of saying that every year? Every year it's, "eh, it's only April....eh, it's only May.....eh, it's only June." If you like their chances this year, i don't think the word "optomistic" is the word....it's DELLUSIONAL. Just sit back and get used to the idea that our 10-4 loss is going to be happening quite often this year, AGAIN

snuggle, i was thinking about this post last nite while watching the game. i hope the way the team has been playing since the start of may has changed your mind. you almost called the correct number of games in the win streak. i would have to say the word optomistic is more than realistic right now. here is to hoping we have another fan back behind the team

on another note, why didnt they send santana down instead of geary? i was baffled by that move and didnt realize it until i saw the boxscore this morning(missed the last two innings of the game).

MilkmanDan

05-13-2006, 12:11 PM

City View

05-13-2006, 12:15 PM

Burblefrump,

I was just getting ready to quote you and reply to your initial "Super Shane" comments. Good save sir. :clap:

Kyle

05-13-2006, 12:16 PM

Before anyone else bashes me I'll bash myself for slamming Victorino on a day before he goes 4 for 4 with a HR. I stink.

Cole Hamels looked great, even with the walks. Wiffed Griffey Jr. on 3 pitches

Yeah, I think you have to give Victorino a chance. They were seriously considering him to be the full-time starting CF before they got Rowand. I don't expect him to be as good, but I don't expect him to be another Doug Glanville either. I think he'll do a decent enough job until Rowand returns

Mick32

05-13-2006, 08:22 PM

Victorino seems like he's a pretty good 4th outfielder. I don't think he should be annointed Lenny fucking Dykstra after a hot three games and a good season at AAA.

onepickdaily

05-14-2006, 12:05 PM

ProfessorAnt

05-14-2006, 12:08 PM

The shitty thing about this month is that the Phils have to stay warm to stay in the hunt. 12-1 in 13 games and they are still trailing the Mets by 2? Ouch. Stay positive and expect them to cool off at some point. It is good to see them forget about the 13-4 outing with the mets. Thanks Aaron.

One thing that I have been enjoying is the fact that they are using the farm system to get top talent ready for the bigs. Hamels was just the most recent example of a recent string of positive movement from AAA to the show. After reviewing the current active players this season I am so glad to see that the farm has been good to us. Here is a list of active players who were drafted by the Phils.

Lieberthal
Rollins
Burrell
Utley
Howard
Victorino
Ruiz
Roberson

Myers
Floyd
Geary
Madson
Hamels

That is roughly half of all active Phils this year. Now what does this say about management?

TODAY'S GAME NOTES:
Myers vs. Claussen
http://media6.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1235.pdf

Kyle

05-14-2006, 01:16 PM

Still can't understand all the HATE towards Ed Wade.

From what I can see, this guy put together a nice fucking team. (PITCHING INCLUDED)

WIP and ESKIN always said that he sucked, so he must have, RIGHT?????

NICE JOB EDDIE!!! I never had a problem with the guy.

Wade built a great core during his tenure, his problem was he didn't know how to make the key addition to get the team over the hump.

He definitely didn't deserve the venom directed towards him, but there's no doubt in my mind we have a much better general manager today.

The shitty thing about this month is that the Phils have to stay warm to stay in the hunt. 12-1 in 13 games and they are still trailing the Mets by 2?

The Mets have played pretty well with the exception of their series in Philadelphia. Both team have been hot lately. But I wouldn't be too worried about it. Two games is nothing. The Phils just can't afford to go on a stretch where they lose 7 out of 8 while the Mets win 6 of 8 or that will put them right back where they started.

But I honestly expect both teams to cool off over the next month and the Braves to kick it up a notch (which is already beginning) to make this a three team race.

Should be a fun summer to watch.

domelogic

05-14-2006, 05:23 PM

domelogic

05-14-2006, 05:35 PM

actually who cares about wade. howard just hit his second homer of the game(both off lefties) to give the phils a one run lead in the 12th. the guy did it in front of his mom and dad. couldnt come at a better time. meyers pitched another great game

onepickdaily

05-14-2006, 07:28 PM

I never said he was a GEM...I just never realized why everyone was always on his ass...Actually I did realize it, and it pisses me off. He was far from a Great GM. But like I said, he built a nice fucking team for us!!!!

We missed the playoffs by 1 game, there was NOTHING he could of done last year during the trade deadline that would have got us into the playoffs. Fuck face wagner blew it during the Houston Series.

Like you said, who cares about Wade....HOWARD IS THE MAN.

Watch out fellas....the Phillies cocksucker bandwangoners (is that a word) are going to start coming out of the wood-works!!!!

Kyle

05-14-2006, 07:36 PM

Watch out fellas....the Phillies cocksucker bandwangoners (is that a word) are going to start coming out of the wood-works!!!!

No, it's still a little early for them. On a whim, I turned off my XM and turned on 610 driving into work tonight. All the talk was still Eagles, and the little bit of Phillies talk that trickled through was either assholes wanting to trade Abreu, or bitching about Hamels being taken out after five innings in his start.

The 610 callers are some of the stupidest fuckers on the planet. But you can bet if the team's in first at the start of July, all those faggots will be coming out of the woodwork like they're the biggest fans around and bleed Phillies baseball.

End rant...

ih8Uboo-boo

05-14-2006, 11:04 PM

They are playing much better now, and are actually a lot more fun to watch than they were in the beginning of the season. The thing that pleases me the most is that they seem to be getting some timely hits at big situations in the game. This is something that this team stuggled with in the past. I hope that they continue to come through in those situations. If they continue get key hits they'll be fine. They just need to beat up on the teams that they are better than and not get swept when they play a team that is as good or better and everything else will take care of itself this season.

Bob

05-15-2006, 12:20 AM

its still a eagles town, but this is fun to watch..., in the mean time....

askewcore

05-15-2006, 12:40 AM

its still a eagles town, but this is fun to watch..., in the mean time....

think that'll change if the phillies win the division and the eagles come in last? cause you know the latter is gonna happen...:action-sm

suddenly, the massive 4 game lead the Mets fans were so excited about has dwindled to 1..oh no...

omgzpizzowned

05-15-2006, 12:46 AM

think that'll change if the phillies win the division and the eagles come in last? cause you know the latter is gonna happen...:action-sm

suddenly, the massive 4 game lead the Mets fans were so excited about has dwindled to 1..oh no...
"cue mets rap song"

MilkmanDan

05-15-2006, 12:04 PM

No, it's still a little early for them. On a whim, I turned off my XM and turned on 610 driving into work tonight. All the talk was still Eagles, and the little bit of Phillies talk that trickled through was either assholes wanting to trade Abreu, or bitching about Hamels being taken out after five innings in his start.

The 610 callers are some of the stupidest fuckers on the planet. But you can bet if the team's in first at the start of July, all those faggots will be coming out of the woodwork like they're the biggest fans around and bleed Phillies baseball.

End rant...

I fucking hated 610 when I was around there, My brother said there's a new sports channel, just cant remember the number. And yeah wow, Howard 2 HR's coming in from pinchhitting with food poisoning. Course they cant go at this pace forever but its been fun to watch/listen

Kyle

05-15-2006, 12:56 PM

I fucking hated 610 when I was around there, My brother said there's a new sports channel, just cant remember the number. And yeah wow, Howard 2 HR's coming in from pinchhitting with food poisoning. Course they cant go at this pace forever but its been fun to watch/listen

I think it's 950 AM. It's a more of a national channel. If I remember correctly, it's Tony Bruno's syndicated show in the morning, Jim Rome's in middays, and they have Jody McDonald do a local show in afternoon drive.

I haven't really given it a listen, but I can't imagine it's anywhere near as bad as 610.

I can't really say I listen to sports radio that much. There's just nothing of substance that ever comes out of it.

ProfessorAnt

05-15-2006, 03:30 PM

i don't think that 610 is always awful. they need to fill 24 hours of programming and often times it is the negative stories that garner the most attention from the djs. WIP is one of the things that makes this town a great sports town. people can hear the opinions and be heard. 610 is like a mirror for the philadelphia sports fan. most of the time the mirror is showing us how ridiculous we are. i'm just glad that sportstalk is alive so everyone knows when Tre Thomas is changing his name to William Thomas. we would have had to wait until September for that without them. Ugh.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=499

Here's the Rowand update:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=phillies&id=4173709
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/2755/rowand7ds.jpg

and a snippet of the press conference from WPVI:
http://audioedit.vunct.net/filereq.php?file=a613n6

Kyle

05-16-2006, 11:21 PM

I've got to give some major credit to Burrell. He just made a fantastic defensive play, barehanding a ball off the bounce in LF and then gunning a strike to the plate to get the out.

That may just have saved the game.

mikeybot

05-16-2006, 11:30 PM

And a nice stand up triple by good ol' Shane

ProfessorAnt

05-17-2006, 01:02 PM

Game notes for Wednesday.
http://media3.uploadjar.com/file.php?file=uploads/3200_1237.pdf

Its a bummer to see the 6 game streak end but at least it wasn't a blowout like the Mets game last week.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-18-2006, 01:07 PM

Not happy losing 2 to the "Brew Crew" but, they are a pretty good young team and there are some positive things to take out of the loss. The most important thing being getting the key hits when they need them. Putting up 3 in the top of the 9th was the silver lining for me tonight. Too often I've seen them go 1-2-3 in that situation, or even worse get a couple hits, THEN go 1-2-3 with some awful ABs...

One thing that pissed me off, was the announcer (Graham??) mentioned that Cormier and Geary haven't been scored on in X innings, so what happens? They both give up runs in the 6th and 7th when they come into the game... Its not a huge deal, its just a pet peeve of mine

domelogic

05-19-2006, 05:00 PM

what the hell happened in milwaukee? i leave town for business and had very little time to read or watch anything. did i see three comebacks by the brew crew? if someone can fill me in from a fan standpoint it would be much appreciated. i just read the articles about the games but am not sure if the relief pitching just sucked or what. kind of puts a damper on the sweep in cincy but those things are going to happen during a long season.

Kyle

05-19-2006, 06:24 PM

well, there's not much to tell really. The Phillies didn't really play badly. The Brewers just played a little bit better. It was pretty much a classic display of home field advantage. Very close games with the home team punching through late in the game each time. I wouldn't be too worried about it. If they played those games back at Citizens Bank Park, there's a very good chance the Phillies would have taken all three (and they'll get their chance to make them up when the Brewers come to town later on).

In the meantime, get ready for every Ben Sparks, Boston asshole in the world to descend on Philadelphia this weekend.

Dude, DUDE! David Ortiz! BWHAHAHAHA!!

I will say, though, that the real Bostonians are much better then the hack Philly fans who bandwagon jumped on the Red Sox during 2004. Philadelphia's one of the worst front-running towns in the country and I know for a fact there'll be a lot of those douchebags at the park this weekend as well with their #38 Schilling Red Sox shirts on.

askewcore

05-19-2006, 06:46 PM

Looks like I'm rooting your Phillies this weekend, and you guys are rootin for the Yanks. Good luck fellas. I hope someone throws acid on Schilling.

ProfessorAnt

05-23-2006, 05:17 PM

game notes for tonight's matchup against the Metropolitans.
Floyd v. Traschel
http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=2451fece8ef1eb20bc83c3987c1d7d23

Kyle

05-23-2006, 09:46 PM

David Bell! Of all the guy's to deliver what could be a death blow...I love that mullet-headed disappointment of a 3B!

no homo

CM Mark

05-23-2006, 10:09 PM

Am I the only one that thinks Sal Fasano looks like a 70's porn star?

City View

05-23-2006, 10:13 PM

Cole Hamels Facts..

http://mysite.verizon.net/heyjude421/chf/chf.html

My personal favorite....
246. Cole Hamels not only created satellite radio, he created Howard Stern! Hoo, hoo , hoo....tell 'em Fred.

Kyle

05-23-2006, 10:28 PM

Am I the only one that thinks Sal Fasano looks like a 70's porn star?

Yeah, he does.

He also just made an incredible play, too.

City View

05-23-2006, 10:44 PM

Finally! So good to see Bell actually coming through with men on base. And, once again, Super Shane running like a mad man!

Kyle

05-24-2006, 01:19 AM

What the fuck is wrong with Charlie...he has two pitchers in the bullpen still and he's sending Madson out for a seventh inning?! He's lost his fucking mind even if Madson gets through it.

omgzpizzowned

05-24-2006, 01:25 AM

Madson's still stretched out from starting, no sense using Cormier yet.

CM Mark

05-24-2006, 01:40 AM

Madson looked damn good out there though. That was one hell of a game. Better luck tomorrow.

By the way, I'm not trying to be a dick. Season is still young and anything can happen. I'm not counting my chickens until October. Yet still in the Mets thread I will act like it is all over already. :action-sm

Time to see what tomorrow brings. I can't remember his name now, but I have heard a lot of good about this kid you are starting. Let's see what he can do

Kyle

05-24-2006, 01:47 AM

That was the worst fucking managerial work I've seen in a long time. Madson threw 7 innings and over 100 pitches and that douchebag is sitting on two pitchers INCLUDING his closer still.

So what does he do, he sends him out for an 8th!

blinkdmb

05-24-2006, 02:10 AM

Bob

05-24-2006, 06:06 AM

Phillies' Hamels scratched from Wednesday start
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Rookie pitcher Cole Hamels of the Philadelphia Phillies experienced soreness in the back of his left shoulder while throwing in the outfield Tuesday and was scratched from his scheduled start Wednesday night against the New York Mets.

Hamels will return to Philadelphia on Wednesday for an evaluation. To replace him, the Phillies will start Jon Lieber against the Mets on Wednesday, with Brett Myers going Thursday afternoon.

Hamels has started two games for the Phillies since being called up from Triple-A on May 12. He has no decisions and a 3.18 ER

Not good news at all and somebody kill Ryan Franklin, he fucks shit up everytime he comes in.

domelogic

05-24-2006, 08:35 AM

how the hell did franklin drop that ball. he beat endy to the bag for the third out but couldnt hold on to the fucking ball.(yes i know howard bobbled the ball and i think he needs some work in the field with the way he has been playing lately). everytime i watch this guy pitch he is giving up runs. i have to learn to turn off the tv when he comes out. what was wrong with bringing in madsen in the 7th much like he did in the past. i know i will sound like i am whining but tell me the ball isnt juiced when a guy like reyes takes a half hearted swing and hits a homerun on a golf shot. that actually wasnt a bad pitch from franklin but there is no way a guy his size can do that. that game hurts cuz we gave up a 4-2 lead and an 8-5 lead. you cant do that on the road.

kyle, i think not putting in madsen in the 7th was charlie's mistake but letting him pitch another inning late wasnt a bad idea. you send your best out there against the best and franklin isnt it.

on a side note, rowand got a ton of people at his booth for the als thing on monday. my dad went and said people were walking up to him and telling him how much they appreciate the play he made. the man is definitely feeling the love in philly(note to wagner: this is what happens when you show people you are busting your ass)

onepickdaily

05-24-2006, 10:34 PM

ABREU is a fucking cock smoking scumbag!!!!

Did anyone go to Abreu's booth and ask him why he is scared to catch the fucking ball or why he doesn't hustle or why his father didn't shoot him into a ball full of toilet paper!!!

Some players suck..some players go into slumps..some players play hurt, which affects their performence.... BOBBY is a flat out PUSSY!!!!! THIS FUCKING COCK PIRATE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!

I don't know who cost the team more games...the manager or bubby.

On a side note...Harry Kalas called 4 Homeruns last night...between the 9th and 16th inning...It was classic. Oh yeah, how about this one in the top of the 14th "Base hit Bobby Abreu, oohhh no, that's a double play"

Who is more washed up Harry Kalas or Stern???

www.onepickdaily.com ----->SUX A FAT FUCKING COCK!!!

If anyone is looking to make some extra cash, bet against me!!!

ih8Uboo-boo

05-24-2006, 11:50 PM

ABREU is a fucking cock smoking scumbag!!!!

<Insert Pro-Bobby Anti Philly Fan Comment Here>

domelogic

05-25-2006, 12:09 AM

I dont care how many times harry fucks up, he is the man and deserves to call games until he doesnt want to. I will listen to him anytime even with his eyesight going bad.

I was a little disappointed in the way cormier handled wright. he got him to swing and miss on two straight low pitches. even i knew he was going to throw another low pitch cuz he doesnt have a fastball good enough to get it by him high. that pitch should have been way inside or nipping at the outside corner, to throw someplace different if nothing else. the phils cant keep losing one run games to the mets after having the lead in games. oh well lets see if meyers can continue pitching the way he has this season tomorrow.

onepickdaily

05-25-2006, 01:48 AM

Sorry Dome, I have to disagree. He was the man for years (JUST LIKE HOO HOO), but now it's tiime to move on. He can't call a game to save his life. He has sucked for the last few years, but after last night, I actually find it kind of funny, if you counted all of his screw ups last night, the final score was Mets 14 Phillies 12.

Oh yeah, did I mention, Abreu BLOWS!!!! Fuck the bullpen....Abreus D is what cost us the last 2 games. Alot of people won't understand this, because most Phillies fans can only count stats, but this guy has been fucking killing this team!!

Kruk burried him on Daily News Live today.

"WELL HIT WATCH THIS BABY GO, OUUT AH HEREEE.....OH WAIT, THE SHORTSTOP TRACKS THE BALL DOWN, THIS WIND IS REALLY BLOWING IN TONIGHT L.A, I THOUGHT THAT BALL HAD A CHANCE TO GO."

domelogic

05-25-2006, 09:10 AM

"WELL HIT WATCH THIS BABY GO, OUUT AH HEREEE.....OH WAIT, THE SHORTSTOP TRACKS THE BALL DOWN, THIS WIND IS REALLY BLOWING IN TONIGHT L.A, I THOUGHT THAT BALL HAD A CHANCE TO GO."

ok that is actually very funny. i see your point but i am willing to live with his mistakes to hear him call a game, good or bad. i mean who would replace him? i couldnt stand to have another lackey that blows the front office.

i agree with you on abreu. i have no clue how he won the gold glove last year. his defense has always sucked and it has always been his hitting that kept him playing. just because he doesnt make a ton of errors doesnt mean he is a good defensive player, hell he doesnt go after most balls. fact is he just doesnt play hard in the field.

that being said the bullpen still has some problems and santana, cormier and franklin are the major part of it. they had to know going into the season that the starters might not get them through the 6th inning and yet they decided to let madsen become a starter. i said at the beginning of the year he was to valuable to be moved from the pen and now look where he is.

Mick32

05-25-2006, 05:24 PM

Wow, Rollins actually batted down in the lineup today. Well, that's half of what needs to be done. Just move Abreu to the leadoff slot, stupid.

Kyle

05-25-2006, 05:45 PM

Say what you will guys.....Madson did a hell of a job. If that were a start he would have gotten the win 7 plus 5 hits and one run. I don't know if I would have brought in anyone else either with the way Madson was pitching. Also we have 2 more games coming up. Some bullpen guys have to be remotly fresh. I madson. If you want to blame anyone blame Ryan Franklyn who is becoming a curse.

Nobody's knocking Madson, he was awesome...but at some point you have to make the move. If there was nobody left in the bullpen and Charlie had to make the decision of just leaving him out there instead of burning a starter in relief, then I agree.

But he had two pitchers in the pen, including his closer. And guys don't pitch 8-9 shutout innings in baseball very often anymore, period, let alone in relief. I think it was a bad move, after the guy had already given so much.

ABREU is a fucking cock smoking scumbag!!!!

Did anyone go to Abreu's booth and ask him why he is scared to catch the fucking ball or why he doesn't hustle or why his father didn't shoot him into a ball full of toilet paper!!!

Some players suck..some players go into slumps..some players play hurt, which affects their performence.... BOBBY is a flat out PUSSY!!!!! THIS FUCKING COCK PIRATE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!

Nobody has ever claimed the guy was Mickey Mantle. But this is what fucking gets me about Philadelphia fans and baseball...name me all the TRUE five-tool, (average, speed, power, defense, throwing) stud OFs in baseball. You think from the way they talk every team in baseball has three in their starting OFs and an extra two on their benches.

But the truth is, there's very, very few. Bobby is great in four of those five categories. But in typical Philadelphia fashion, you want to throw the guy under the bus for the one thing he doesn't do well and forget about everything he is good at and adds to the team.

The bottom line is almost every OF has at least one flaw in their game. The Phils can go out tomorrow and sign Doug Glanville off the scrap heap and he'll run into walls and track down every ball...he'll also hit .220 with 2 HRs in the process.

It's the same thing Boston's dealt with in regards to Manny Ramirez for years now. But the bottom line is that Abreu's offensive contributions mean so much more than any defensive holes he may have in his game. Except for an elite few, if you stack him up against all the OFs around the league, he's better than almost all of them in terms of COMPLETE game.

Yet Philadelphia fans would always rather have Tim Hauck (99% talent free, who couldn't cover a WR to save his life, but hey, he hits hard which makes him a "Philly guy") than Deion Sanders.

And I'm sick of the whole: we need a "philly guy" mentality. It doesn't win games.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-25-2006, 10:25 PM

I think that part of the problem is that Bobby is sold as a better player than he is. He's just not baseball smart. The fact that he is a gold glove outfielder is a complete and utter joke...

I also disagree with you on the hitting aspect of your 5-tool argument, he pads his stats with meaningless hits... If he's as good a hitter as you claim, why is he averaging 124 strikeouts per year over the last 8 years. Its not like he was hitting 40+ homers a year...

onepickdaily

05-26-2006, 12:56 PM

Please don't ever compare this guy with Manny Ramirez. Manny is the worst Defensive player in the league (Bobby is 2nd). When bobby hits 45 homers and 145 RBI, I will stop bitching about his Fielding.

5 tool outfielders? There aren't any 5 tool players around anymore.

I don't know, I guess I am a bad fan for wanting a guy who looks like he is interested in helping his team win games instead of building his stats.

I have had a problem with this guy for years(one of my 1st posts on here was talking about his defense), the last few games were tough to stomach. Even yesterdays game, Reyes homerun cleared the fence by 1 foot, he didn't even attempt to jump. Please start watching this guy(HE DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HELPING HIS TEAM WIN)

I don't know if this is true, but I would be willing to bet(which would most likely lose, because I am a fucking LOSER) that there are more than 10 right fielders in the league who put up better #'s than this guy.

This guy is costing this team wins, pitchers are supposed to lose games, not some Homerun King Reject. I don't need him to crash into a wall like a mad man or make spectacular diving catches, I just want him to stop misjudging every fucking ball hit to him.

Kyle

05-26-2006, 03:49 PM

I've been watching him since he's been on the Phillies. He doesn't lose games for this team. I will grant you that he's not the kind of guy who usually makes the game changing play (big run saving catch; late game RBI). That doesn't mean he's an awful player. There's a hell of a lot more to baseball.

Here is a list of every starting RF in baseball. I have put them in my order (feel free to disagree) in terms of talent and contribution (based on offense, defense, consistency, speed, potential, etc.)

Vladimir Guerrero (ANA)
Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)
Bobby Abreu (PHI)
Gary Sheffield (NYY)
Magglio Ordonez (DET)
Austin Kearns (CIN)
Jeff Francoeur (ATL)
Alex Rios (TOR)
Kevin Mench (TEX)
Jermaine Dye (CHW)
Shawn Green (ARI)
Randy Winn (SF)
J.D. Drew (LA)
Brian Giles (SD)
Casey Blake (CLE)
Geoff Jenkins (MIL)
Michael Cuddyer (MIN)
Jay Gibbons (BAL)
Trot Nixon (BOS)
Jose Guillen (WAS)
Jacque Jones (CHC)
Brad Hawpe (COL)
Juan Encarnacion (STL)
Xavier Nady (NYM)
Jay Payton (OAK)
Damon Hollins (TB)
Jason Lane (HOU)
Reggie Sanders (KC)
Jeromy Burnitz (PIT)
Joe Borchard (FLA)

There's only two RFs in baseball that I would consider better players than Abreu. Vlad and Ichiro.

In fact, I'll extend the comparison to all the OFs that might be better than Abreu:
-Andruw Jones (ATL)
-Vladimir Guerrero (ANA)
-Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)
-Manny Ramirez (BOS)
-Johnny Damon (NYY)
-Jason Bay (PIT)
-Barry Bonds (SF) (for now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's off to a bad start but he may be done as far as being a star OF)

So that's only seven OFs in all of baseball that are clearly better and make more of an impact than Abreu, in my opinion. There's some guys that are close: Carlos Beltran, Carl Crawford, Torii Hunter (because he's the best defensive CF in the game), and maybe a couple others I missed. But none of them are clearly better and I would argue aren't quite as good.

The bottom line is that he's a damn good player, especially in comparison to the rest of the league.

He's a guy who will give you a BA over .300, 100+ RBIs, 100+ runs scored, 30+ SBs, between 20-30 HRs, and 100+ walks every year. You just don't find guys who are that well rounded very often.

Does his defense suck? Absolutely. But you want to know why he won that gold glove? Because the rest of the league is just as awful.

But hey, you can like who you want. I have no problem with that. There's just no way I'm jumping on the Abreu-bashing bandwagon.

ih8Uboo-boo

05-27-2006, 02:20 AM

I think that there's a valid argument for Brian Giles to be ahead of Bobby, the only thing that he lacks are stolen bases, but you are right there's a lot of dreck in right field in the majors. I think that guys like Mench and Francouer are too young to make an accurate comparison to bobby right now. Take a look at this though...

Bobby vs. Similar Players (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=abreubo01:Bobby+Abreu&st=career)

There are somethings in those numbers that jumps out at me. What jumps out at you???

Mick32

05-27-2006, 07:43 AM

I think the fact that he has less home runs than most of that list yet has more strikeouts than any of them is interesting.

domelogic

05-27-2006, 10:11 AM

first of all from that list i have never heard of most of those guys, that stands out(did you compile that list?, if you did kudos). bobby has one thing going for him on the list and it is stolen bases but a huge negative and that is strike outs. if you look at his at bats he either walks, gets a hit or strikesout. which means he doesnt put the ball in play as much as he should. those strikeouts numbers should be for true power hitters. like i said before i like his hitting(only thing that keeps him around) but hate his lack of effort on defense.

kyle, my question is if he is the third best rf and the 8th best overall outfielder, then why was no one interested in trading for him this offseason? you would think someone with that kind of value would be wanted. i am not knocking you just posing a legit question.

p.s. is that like 6 one run games the phils have lost in the last like 15. you have to win some of those close ones

Kyle

05-27-2006, 01:51 PM

I think that there's a valid argument for Brian Giles to be ahead of Bobby

A few years ago, I'd have agreed Giles is absolutely better. But he's on the downside of his career now.

I think the fact that he has less home runs than most of that list yet has more strikeouts than any of them is interesting.

By the same token, he's annually at the top of the league in walks as well. He strikes out, but he also gets on base a lot. And what do you mean by less home runs? This season? Yeah, we're barely 1/3rd of the way in. You also need to take into account extra base hits, which so many people forget about, because its not always listed in the immediate statistic line of a player.

kyle, my question is if he is the third best rf and the 8th best overall outfielder, then why was no one interested in trading for him this offseason? you would think someone with that kind of value would be wanted. i am not knocking you just posing a legit question.

There's a few reasons:
1) By all accounts, the Phillies were only looking for an ace starter in return. The fact of the matter is that teams just don't trade ace starters anymore, because there are so few and there's such a demand for them.

2) On the rare occasions that a team does trade an ace pitcher, it's usually a bad team looking for several stud prospects, not established veterans

3) Contract. Abreu makes 11 or 12 million a year, I believe. That makes him tough to move.

krunk

05-27-2006, 09:33 PM

The Guitar Father was just played over the PA as Phillies catcher Sal Fasano was coming to the plate

silentbob8201

05-27-2006, 09:41 PM

you sure it wasnt Slash from GNR cause that was recorded years before Brother Joe

krunk

05-27-2006, 09:43 PM

you sure it wasnt Slash from GNR cause that was recorded years before Brother Joe

99.999999999999999% sure i was brother Joe's version. i have it saved on my inno and listen to it 3 - 4 times a day

domelogic

05-27-2006, 11:00 PM

ryan franklin sucks cock!! this fucking guy needs to be demoted or let go. i havent watched him get a scoreless inning yet this year. this cocksucker gives up more leads than anyone i have seen. get this fucking dick out of a phillies uniform. howard homers to tie the game only to watch this asshole give up the lead. this is bringing back memories of 93 when that ass of a manager kept bringing in williams. i cant even get drunk on a sat nite and have a good time watching this game. fucking assmunching dicklicking shitdick

by the way fuck franklin!!

ih8Uboo-boo

05-28-2006, 12:37 AM

first of all from that list i have never heard of most of those guys, that stands out(did you compile that list?, if you did kudos).

I wish that I could take the credit for compiling those #'s they are courtesy of Baseball-Reference.com. Possibly one of the best sites on the web. It lists nothing but stats for almost any player. You can even compare similar players at the same point of their careers...

LazyOne

05-28-2006, 01:22 AM

Theres no way I believe that

Kyle

05-30-2006, 09:46 PM

ih8Uboo-boo

06-01-2006, 12:44 AM

What the fuck is going on? Ryan Howard isn't even in the Top 5 in all-star balloting at 1B? But Nomar fucking Garciaparra is?! Are you kidding me?!

I command you to vote:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060530&content_id=1479430&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I was surprised when I heard Harry mention that in last nights game. 8 Home games in June isn't gonna help the cause though. But I could understand why, 1st base in the NL is tough draw (although I don't get the Nomar votes). All-Star Voting is still a popularity contest with at least 2 or 3 questionable players getting the nod every year over players that deserve it. I guess that is what happens when you let the fans vote...

Mick32

06-01-2006, 07:46 AM

He shouldn't be a starter anyway. He'll be on the team. Calmo.

domelogic

06-04-2006, 03:54 PM

well it didnt take long for floyd to get sent down to the minors. i say give eude a few starts to see how he looks. the dodgers probably wasnt the greatest place to give him his first start this year, considering how well they are playing. hopefully they can salvage a split today.

ProfessorAnt

06-06-2006, 10:19 AM

i am pleased with the effort last night. they didn't give up and it payed off. it was good to see rollins try to manufacture some runs. utley struck out 3 times but had the hustle play of the game by legging out the single that brought in the tying run. that's good baseball. risp is still killing us but of course howard got his oppo solo shot. lidle + fultz + gordon were all clutch last night and i'm still impressed with a rhodes jam factor. he's the only one in the pen that i am more confident in from the stretch.

do you think abreu get caught stealing/picked off or was he just loafing and not paying attention? webb's move was pretty nice but i think he could have gotten back if he was more alert.

should rollins have scored in the rundown? probably if bobby could have run a little instead of trotting, but it looked like dancy was holding him.

edit. in cole we trust. now go get your fucking shine box.

domelogic

06-06-2006, 05:05 PM

if people dislike abreu it is because of his lack of hustle. i think sometimes we are quick to jump on him for things like last nite because we think he loafs around but ant you are right about the pickoff and him not being alert. that happens to him and burrell. utley plays the game the way it is supposed to be played especially when you see him bust his ass down the line last nite. that was with two outs people and i am still hoping it rubs off on some of players i have mentioned already.

hamels starts tonite should be interesting since he got put on the dl with no injury, just precaution. i will be watching for sure.

Bob

06-06-2006, 11:53 PM

Did anyone catch Kalas' interview with Robin Ventura, Harry asked if Ventura ever faced Sandy Koufax, Koufax retired in 1966. Ventura was born in 1967. Ouch...

And I like Kalas.

MilkmanDan

06-06-2006, 11:57 PM

Really think Gavin Floyd going to be a good bigleague pitcher. He's lacking confidence bigtime, he has good stuff you could see that anytime he pitched but alot of pressure

domelogic

06-07-2006, 04:04 PM

Hamels hit 94 mph with his heater, and while his changeup has been his go-to pitch, he froze D-Backs hitters with a great curveball. Hamels threw 64 of his 90 pitches for strikes and seemingly was ahead of every hitter

that is a much better strike to ball ration than his first start. the kid looked good and wasnt afraid to use any pitch at any time. in spite of burrells homer last nite, i still would like to see him rest his injury and let victorino play.

Did anyone catch Kalas' interview with Robin Ventura, Harry asked if Ventura ever faced Sandy Koufax, Koufax retired in 1966. Ventura was born in 1967.

if this is true, then it could be one of the funniest things i have ever read. i guess he was thinking of larry king

ih8Uboo-boo

06-07-2006, 06:26 PM

do you think abreu get caught stealing/picked off or was he just loafing and not paying attention? webb's move was pretty nice but i think he could have gotten back if he was more alert.

I don't fault bobby on that, because I thought that Webb's move looked like a Balk. He picked his leg up then put it down. It didn't appear that he motioned to 3rd base either, unless the cameras missed it...

Kugzilla

06-07-2006, 08:42 PM

ProfessorAnt

06-08-2006, 10:11 AM

I have been on a 2 year boycott of the Phils, after being a lifelong fan. I am encouraged by what I've seen this year, but not yet ready to go to the park. I still want the following:

1) The departure of Uncle Fluffy (Manager Charlie Manuel)
2) The departure of Bobby Abreu (The most uniteresting player on Earth)

Boop. I'm over here now.

previous response: don't bother coming back then. there's a bandwagon for the eagles flyers and sixers fans that you can hop on and off every season. i reserve the right to be critical of the manager and players on an as needed basis. blanket statements requesting the termination of staff do nothing to support the rest of the organization that we care so much about. there are a handful of players on this team who give 100% to each game and i recognize that mistakes are made by more than just abreu and manuel. i would not be upset if both of these guys left but their presence does not prohibit me from watching or cheering for MY team.

edited response: welcome to the thread. if you decide to end your strike we'll be here chatting about Fluffy's team.

Kugzilla

06-08-2006, 10:35 PM

I still follow the team-I'm jsut not going to the park again, which is great, until I'm convinced that they are dedicted to the product.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-09-2006, 02:06 PM

I am going to Tuesday's game against the Mets.

Here's to hoping that Eude Brito gets hit by a bus before then...:drunk:

domelogic

06-09-2006, 05:46 PM

I am going to Tuesday's game against the Mets.

Here's to hoping that Eude Brito gets hit by a bus before then...:drunk:

whats with the eude bashing? the guy made one start so far, i say give the guy a chance. i mean i didnt even bash gavin and for the most part he didnt pitch well. anyway i hope you have better luck going to see a game than i do(i havent seen them win at home yet, in any year)

krunk

06-09-2006, 05:49 PM

whats with the eude bashing? the guy made one start so far, i say give the guy a chance. i mean i didnt even bash gavin and for the most part he didnt pitch well. anyway i hope you have better luck going to see a game than i do(i havent seen them win at home yet, in any year)

2 starts and he git LIT up both times.....

ih8Uboo-boo

06-09-2006, 07:17 PM

onepickdaily

06-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Yeah, that's great, Bobbys #'s are the best.

AGAIN....BAD DEFENSE=LOSSES

Now I know it is only the top of the 3rd, but this is the shit I am talking about. He makes the catch, and Brett doesn't give up 3 straight hits and 3 runs.

Someone really needs to smack the shit out of this dirty fucking wetback...

I don't give a shit if this guy knocks in 5 runs this game...HE FUCKING BLOWS..... PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't bother responding, telling me he leads the league in walks or OBP.. I DONT CARE!!!!!

HE STINKS....AND I DONT LIKE HIM....NO...ACTUALLY...HE STINKS...AND I FUCKING HATE HIM!!!!!

onepickdaily

06-09-2006, 10:59 PM

Who hates Bobby more???? Me or Brett Myers...Me or Everyone on the Team???

ih8Uboo-boo

06-09-2006, 11:33 PM

How much would you pay to hear the "conversation" between Myers and Manuel during the visit that he didn't pull him?

Did anyone hear Tommy Lasorda w/Harry on the top of the 3rd. He pretty much went off, and wasn't happy with the some of the things that the players did and some of the things that they didn't do.

All this happend within 10 minutes of each other. It was very entertaining.

domelogic

06-10-2006, 12:47 AM

not bashing per se... i just would rather see one of the other 4 pitch when I am there...

aahh got ya i can see that.

utley is the man and the look on robinson's face when hit the 3 run homer was priceless. well my two favorite pitchers have played in this game. cormier who gave up the tying run in the 7th and now franklin(who i refuse to watch pitch) god get a run so i dont have to endure anymore of franklin

domelogic

06-10-2006, 11:22 AM

well you got your wish eude was sent down to the minors yesterday. looks like you will see madsen on tuesday

on a side note i am pumped that allentown is going to get the aaa team in 2008. the team currently plays in scranton this year will move to canada for 2007 while they build the ball park here. we have a 29 year lease and it will give me a chance to see a ton of games and follow the prospects in person. not bad for the phils since they will have aa and aaa within an hour drive of philly.

CringeRadioWanted

06-10-2006, 11:52 AM

on a side note i am pumped that allentown is going to get the aaa team in 2008. the team currently plays in scranton this year will move to canada for 2007 while they build the ball park here. we have a 29 year lease and it will give me a chance to see a ton of games and follow the prospects in person. not bad for the phils since they will have aa and aaa within an hour drive of philly.

As a kid that grew up in Scranton, this kind of bummed me out a lil...then again, how many franchises don't change minor league affiliates in 17 years? In AAA, it's almost unheard of. The bloom was off the rose between Scranton and Philly, and I think that Baltimore will end up as Scranton's MLB parent, which is almost as good from their standpoint...only thing better than that would be if Columbus and the Yankees were to part, because Columbus is the only team that sells out Scranton's stadium when they come to play.

As for Allentown, I won't go to a game in Allentown without an armed guard and Kevlar vest....good luck bros. :action-sm

Kyle

06-10-2006, 04:46 PM

Anyone know why today's game wasn't televised?

Anyway, listening to it on the ol' radio. Burrell hit a two-run HR to give the Phils a 3-2 lead in the 8th.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-11-2006, 12:32 AM

Anyone know why today's game wasn't televised?

Fox. They bought the rights to the game and were going to show it as the national game, then changed their mind.

There ought to be a clause in the deal that says that the TV rights revert back to the local contract, or they should be locked in to televise the game, at least regionally....

Mother Shucker

06-14-2006, 02:16 AM

I think that the only starter that is a clear cut advantage at the "#1 starter" because of Pedro, but the gap is closer because of Pedro's gimpy toe.

But I don't think that either team has the pitching to make enough noise in the playoffs...

In hindsight, I think you are wrong.:action-sm

Kyle

06-14-2006, 02:20 AM

In hindsight, I think you are wrong.:action-sm

I'm sorry, sir, the playoffs start in June now?

Mother Shucker

06-14-2006, 02:26 AM

I'm sorry, sir, the playoffs start in June now?
No, don't be silly, but the Mets are so far and away the best team in the division, I am counting my chickens before they hatch. But hey, you never know. The Met team plane could go down and you guys would have a shot at the East. Good luck bro.

Kyle

06-14-2006, 02:37 AM

No, don't be silly, but the Mets are so far and away the best team in the division, I am counting my chickens before they hatch.

Yeah, how's that worked out for you guys in recent years?

It's an awful hard fall from the top, and I'd hate to see that happen to such nice people...but then again, you guys are all pretty fickle fans anyway, so I'm sure it won't really bother you anyway.

Tax Kuntz

06-14-2006, 04:13 AM

I am counting my chickens before they hatch.

After tonights game, I am too!

pics from tonights game in Mets thread.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-14-2006, 12:27 PM

In hindsight, I think you are wrong.:action-sm

I cant help it if you have a problem with a statement that I made IN APRIL about the Mets staff. Your delusional if you think that coming into the season NEITHER team had question marks about their pitching staffs. I said from the get go that I was concerned about the Phillies staff. Overall, It was a fair assessment for April.

As of right now the Mets are playing better baseball and their question marks have panned out. I can't say the same thing about the Phillies right now.

I am counting my chickens before they hatch.
Of course you can, THE DIVISION SUCKS.

ProfessorAnt

06-14-2006, 03:28 PM

the phils have been a perfect 6-0 in games that i have attended this season and i'll be at both sat and sun games so you can write in 2 more wins. if this plan works i'll be getting more tickets for august!!!

yours truly,
'the one who the world revolves around'

ih8Uboo-boo

06-14-2006, 04:35 PM

onepickdaily

06-15-2006, 01:54 AM

I will be sitting in the same seats I sat at for the BONDS game. Look out for OnA signs and ANTI-ABREU signs, right above the METS DUGOUT.

Does anyone know how to say...."I WILL HAVE A CHEESE WITH", in spanish??? If not, you will find out tomorrow!!!!

Mets players can NOT eat at GENO'S!!!!!!!

If anyone has a good idea for a sign, let me know. I will check in tomorrow morning before I leave for the game.

BOOBY with another phenominal play in the field tonight..this guy is a potential back to back gold glove winner!!!!

Bob

06-15-2006, 04:38 AM

hopefully ill be alive for one of these.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/995/7369vs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4760/736a8nl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8831/736b7du.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Kyle

06-15-2006, 05:38 PM

I'll just say this...the Phillies need to fire Charlie Manuel.

One of the votes of confidence for Charlie is that his players play hard for him. I haven't seen a team play this badly fundamentally over the last couple weeks in a long time. They just aren't playing for him anymore.

If this team gets it together, they're still very much in the NL Wild Card race. But they need some changes and it begins with the manager.

domelogic

06-15-2006, 07:01 PM

um yeah charlie is bad. when you have fans pointing out every week mistakes he makes before he makes them, then you know more than the manager. he doesnt know when to substitute players and especially in key situations and he is afraid to move runners into scoring position through bunting. there is more but i dont need to point out everything. this team has looked dead for the last 3 weeks or so. they cant rely on the homerun to win games cuz they are givng up as many if not more than they are hitting.

on another note, lets hope they dont make the proposed trade of hamels and victorino for dontrel willis. not only do you lose speed in your lineup(when needed) plus he is hitting well but you lose your best pitching prospect in the last 10 years or so. we all know that willis will not resign with philly after next season if they do trade for him.

Kyle

06-15-2006, 07:42 PM

I think they'd only make that trade if they knew they'd sign Willis. If they could sign him, I actually wouldn't have a problem with that. Hamels is good, but still a few years away from hitting his stride, and Victorino's a nice player, but he's blocked by Rowand, who's still young and a better all around player.

Willis, on the other hand, is still very young and has already shown success as a big league ace.

But back to Charlie, it's not even the mistakes he makes on a daily basis. It's that his players have stopped playing for him. That's why he should be fired as soon as possible so while the Phils still have a chance to turn this around.

domelogic

06-15-2006, 07:59 PM

i agree on both points you make above. i would take willis but only if they could resign him which i think would be unlikely since we all know he will end up a yankee. charlie just sucks!

ih8Uboo-boo

06-15-2006, 08:10 PM

There's something in the clubhouse that just sucks the life out of this team... Its been that way for a while now. You would think that George Romero was shooting his next zombie flick at 10th & Pattison.

I am on the Can Manuel Bandwagon but doing so leads to the obvious $64,000 question.

If this team couldn't play for an intense in your face manager like Bowa, and they can't play for a "players" manager like Manuel, where can the phillies turn to hire their next manager?

I'd like to see them hire Pinella here, but he's more intense than Bowa. Whatever they do I hope they hire from outside the Organization. As good guys as they are I really don't want Milt Thompson or Gary Varsho to be the next manager of this team, it will just be more of the same old, same old.

onepickdaily

06-15-2006, 08:44 PM

TRADE BOBBY??

ME GUSTO QUESO CON POR FAVOR??

SAL LOVES GENOS??

MONSTER RAIN??

Did anyone see my signs??

ProfessorAnt

06-15-2006, 08:48 PM

TRADE BOBBY??

ME GUSTO QUESO CON POR FAVOR??

SAL LOVES GENOS??

MONSTER RAIN??

Did anyone see my signs??

trade bobby was on in the 9th as they were talking about pedro. very funny boss.

Kyle

06-15-2006, 08:56 PM

I am on the Can Manuel Bandwagon but doing so leads to the obvious $64,000 question.

If this team couldn't play for an intense in your face manager like Bowa, and they can't play for a "players" manager like Manuel, where can the phillies turn to hire their next manager?

I'd like to see them hire Pinella here, but he's more intense than Bowa. Whatever they do I hope they hire from outside the Organization. As good guys as they are I really don't want Milt Thompson or Gary Varsho to be the next manager of this team, it will just be more of the same old, same old.

There's got to be a happy medium somewhere between Manuel and Bowa.

As far Pinella goes, that's unlikely. He'll want too much money and the Phils won't pay him.

I heard Eskin say he wanted Dusty Baker a few weeks back, since he most likely will be fired from Chicago. He may be the only manager in MLB worse than Manuel.

But it's to the point where I think you have to make a change, just to make a change, regardless of whether who you put in there is an interm guy or a long term solution.

And Manuel's not the only change that needs to be made...

ih8Uboo-boo

06-15-2006, 10:08 PM

And Manuel's not the only change that needs to be made...

Wow, talk about a pulling a 180... :action-sm

That has been my arguement all along, is like there is a pall that has been hanging over the clubhouse for the past 3 or 4 seasons. I think that they are at a point where it seems obvious (to me anyway) that the nucleus of this team just is not going to work together.

Case in point, they are 14-18 since Rowand's catch against the mets. You would think that a play like that would spark the the team... That's not the case here

Ballbuster1

06-15-2006, 10:47 PM

I'm going to see the Phils play for the 1 st in almost 2 years.
The only reason is because I got tickets for father's day and
I love Bull's Bar-B-Que. That'll make for a nice afternoon.
They need to make major changes before I feel good about this
team again.

Kyle

06-15-2006, 11:49 PM

Wow, talk about a pulling a 180... :action-sm

That has been my arguement all along, is like there is a pall that has been hanging over the clubhouse for the past 3 or 4 seasons. I think that they are at a point where it seems obvious (to me anyway) that the nucleus of this team just is not going to work together.

Case in point, they are 14-18 since Rowand's catch against the mets. You would think that a play like that would spark the the team... That's not the case here

Baseball's a game of patience, but it's hard to argue patience when the team can't even make fundamental plays anymore.

I'm not one of these guys saying trade Abreu, Burrell, Bell, and Lieberthal, because that's not the answer.

What they need to do immediately:

- Replace Charlie Manuel
- Switch Rollins out of the leadoff spot and move Abreu up there. He's an infinitely more patient and all-around better hitter than Rollins. Drop Rollins to 7 or 8. If it's too much of a hassle making Bobby do it (because he won't like it) then at least put Rowand there.
-Get Lieberthal healthy. Like it or not, this team needs him...badly. Fasano calls a decent game, but he sucks at that plate. And Chris Coste need to go away...fast
-Work a right/left platoon between Nunez and Bell at 3B. Bell's a more valuable bat, but until he proves he can catch a ball and throw it like he used to, Nunez should see some time there.

The obvious thing, though, is they need starting pitching. The bullpen's actually been pretty strong this year, but the rotation is abysmal. They just recalled Scott Mathieson from AA Reading and I'm interested to see what he can do since he's a highly touted prospect. While they're at it, they should dump Lidle and recall Floyd. Give your young guys a chance to pitch while you're working on trading for a pitcher or waiting for guys to recover from the DL.
A makeshift rotation of:
-Myers
-Hamels
-Madson
-Mathieson
-Floyd
is fine by me for the immediate future. That way as Lieber and Wolf work their way back into the rotation over the next month, you'll know which guys are standing out and should stay and which need to be shifted to the 'pen or AAA.

Meanwhile, they need to be making ALL attempts to just find good starting pitching. Not even a #1 or an ace, although it'd be nice...just good pitchers.

And nobody on this team should be untouchable in trying to acquire a pitcher. If Hamels and Victorino is what it takes to get Dontrelle Wills, get him! Prospects are just that...prospects. At the end of the day, Hamels is a guy with one major league win and a bad back and D-Train is 20+ game winner of years past. You can't look past the obvious with this stuff.

domelogic

06-17-2006, 05:15 PM

And nobody on this team should be untouchable in trying to acquire a pitcher. If Hamels and Victorino is what it takes to get Dontrelle Wills, get him! Prospects are just that...prospects. At the end of the day, Hamels is a guy with one major league win and a bad back and D-Train is 20+ game winner of years past. You can't look past the obvious with this stuff.

no f*cking way, no unless he signs an extension. you do not trade a great prospect and a good utility outfielder(we all know one of the outfielders will get hurt and we need his speed) for willis. he would need to sign a four year deal for me to make that trade. i am not saying you are giving up on hamels but this organization absolutely needs to have a pitching prospect prosper and this is the best chance i have seen in a very long time. I am tired of seeing some pitching prospects get traded only to do well in other organizations.

untouchables in a trade: howard, utley, rowand,madson, most likely hamels

definitely change the lineup. get delucci and victorino more atbats from either burrell or abreu. find 8 players who want to play as hard as they can every game. work on the rotation like kyle suggested. no one is safe from being sent down or put in the pen. give everyone an opportunity to pitch and see who is doing the best.

i am tired of hearing the phils need a player friendly manager. bull sh*t, get out there and do your job especially since you get paid millions to do it. get the best available guy and get rid of anyone who has a problem with that.

Kyle

06-17-2006, 06:49 PM

Again, I would only make the Willis trade if I could sign him.

But if I could, I'd do it in a heartbeat. At the end of the day for as much talent as he MAY have, Hamels is an unproven commodity. The D-Train has a very long track record at a young age. There's no comparison in my mind.

And there's always a decent chance that Hamels could pull a Mark Prior.

And it's not that I dislike Hamels, or Victorino (my only problem there is that he's blocked in the OF). But it's the age old question of whether you'd have proven talent or potential.

Kyle

06-18-2006, 12:49 AM

Well, I didn't think Mathieson looked bad tonight for his first start. He's didn't blow anyone away, but he gave them a chance to win and there's definitely some potential there.

But as far as the state of this team goes...they just look dead every night, like their heart has been ripped out.

What makes it worse is they blew an opportunity to pick up some of the games in the standings they lost this weekend. The Mets dropped both games to Baltimore, yet the Phils can't even beat a last place team at home?

The wheels have fallen off this thing, my friends, and I'm not sure I see a way they can get back on track at all this season.

Yes, this is a complete 180 from my previous opinion a couple weeks ago, but this thing fell apart VERY fast.

Ballbuster1

06-18-2006, 10:25 PM

Went to the game today. My wife got us tickets for father's day.
At least I got to see a winning game.

ProfessorAnt

06-19-2006, 04:07 PM

what a difference between saturday and sunday. i was at both and it was that fucking first inning that deflated the boys on saturday. they managed to tie it back up on saturday but didn't have any good swings from innings 4-9. its time for some changes. these players are slumping and a GREAT manager might be able to turn them around but there are no GREAT managers out there so we have to make due with a decent manager...there are some GREAT players that are attainable if Gillick's hands are untied by Montgo and Co.
i saw this yesterday in the parking lot at the game.
http://www.splashblog.com/wb/391149.jpg

Kyle

06-19-2006, 09:11 PM

HAHAHAHA...Bubba Crosby just fouled off a ball that caught the home plate umpire in the nuts. He's been down for a good couple of minutes.

Bob

06-21-2006, 11:47 AM

i was at last nights game, 4 rows from first base, Great fucking game.

Yankees 9
Howard 7

ProfessorAnt

06-21-2006, 11:53 AM

fuck Arthur Rhodes...he stinks.

Kyle

06-21-2006, 12:26 PM

Yeah...wow, how you waste a performance like that from Howard is unbelievable.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-21-2006, 01:53 PM

At least he's on my fantasy team so his performance didn't go to waste...

go me...

domelogic

06-21-2006, 03:38 PM

Yeah...wow, how you waste a performance like that from Howard is unbelievable.

shouldnt be that hard to believe, i mean i have seen them waste games similar to that from both utley and howard this year. it is tough watching a team take the lead only to give it up again and again and again. this team has done this way to often this year. except for that win streak there has been no consistency with any part of the team this season. this is getting tough to stomach especially since the mets have a double digit lead in the standings.

Johnny Manf

06-21-2006, 04:42 PM

i'll be at the game tonight with my pops.
section 143, row 9.
right behind pat burrell.... no homo.

seriously though, i got the 17 game plan and homeruns come over to that section every single game and i never get one. but the game against the giants was hilarious with all the fans all over bonds.

ProfessorAnt

06-21-2006, 06:03 PM

have fun. that's where my plan is also row 12. i love it. here's the game notes for those of you who are interested...in cole we trust

http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=9b4c5c0c

ih8Uboo-boo

06-21-2006, 11:22 PM

Cole pitched well enough to win tonight, but its kinda hard to do when you only have 3 hits...

have the rookies reported to camp yet...

Bob

06-22-2006, 12:44 AM

My second game in a row,

all the yankees fans near me i asked, "What part of NY are you from?" Answer

" Were from philly". of course you are!

my response,,, "Must be real hard to root for the Yankees in philadelphia"

"How hard is it rooting for a winning team?"

FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!METS
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!YANKEES
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Johnny Manf

06-22-2006, 08:29 AM

yeah it was a pitchers duel until the 7th.... after that shitfest i got up and left. the yankees fans were relatively quiet until they took a nice lead and then they were all coming out of hiding. it was annoying.

the phillies had 3 hits.... 3 singles.... in 3 different innings.

domelogic

06-22-2006, 10:19 AM

[FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!METS
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!YANKEES
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FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

:clap: that is the best thing in this thread since the win streak

hamels pitched well tonite but once again team inconsistancy played. when they get good pitching their hitting goes to shit and vice versa. i am officially frustrated with this team

Kyle

06-22-2006, 11:18 AM

I was at the game last night as well. The only thing going through my mind was "are they really being shutout by Jaret fucking Wright?"

They made that stiff look like a million bucks.

I actually heard an interesting question (for the first time...maybe ever) on the radio while coming back from the game;

Is this team a buyer or seller going into July as the trading deadline approaches?

They've played horrible over the last month, but then again they're still only a few games out of the wild card in a very average national league.

I think if you're in it, you have to be a buyer, but I think Gillick may try to do a little of both. I can see him selling off Abreu, but I think he'll also try to add some pitching to try and help the team immediately

ih8Uboo-boo

06-23-2006, 12:58 PM

The Season Just keeps getting better and better...

Myers Charged with Assulting Wife (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2497723)

domelogic

06-23-2006, 02:19 PM

that is just wonderful. the best pitcher on a struggling team pops his wife. the sad thing is you know he did it before cuz she was the one to bail him out. how stupid can you be to hit her out on the sidewalk? doing it is one thing but not caring who is around to watch is scary. this will probably not stop him from pitching on saturday(you know fox game of the week and all)

i will be curious to see how gillick handles this and what he does with signing or trading players before the deadline. next season will be his true team and after this past offseason it would seem he has a plan. if abreu goes i am confident that he will get quality in return unlike our former gm.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-23-2006, 04:24 PM

Myers is going for the Triple Crown tomorrow.

If he wins, he'll have beaten the Yankees, the Red Sox, and his wife all in less than a week...

Mick32

06-23-2006, 06:39 PM

Brett Myers used to be a boxer.
Fuck him. He's a coward.

domelogic

06-26-2006, 10:36 AM

anyone watch the fox broadcast on saturday? they were talking about how the phils need to change the clubhouse attitude. they mentioned they need more players like rowand, utley, howard to change the mindset on the team. they mentioned by name guys who they might get rid of in abreu and burrell. i know as a fan who follows the team this is obvious but is it that obvious to fans of other teams and broadcasters? if the announcers do their homework to get this info then people in the front office feel the same way. i dont think this team will be buying players for a playoff run as next season is gillicks team. any thoughts?

btw way to add another 37yr old relief pitcher :icon_roll

and how many of you knew ortiz was going to end the game on saturday? i got up and changed my clothes when he came to bat and my girlfriend said you arent going to watch the end of the inning. i said no he will hit a homerun and the game will be over. pretty sad when that is what you are expecting to happen.

domelogic

06-26-2006, 09:06 PM

watched the game today. starting pitching was good through almost 5 innings then all hell broke loose. down 6-0 they come back to tie it in the nineth off a utley homer, then take the lead in the 12th only to blow it with two outs. i had the same feeling today that i had saturday when ortiz came to the plate. this would have been a very nice come from behind win that could have given them some confidence, instead the only thing this series did was blow out all the tires. i am afraid the season is lost unless they go on one hell of a win streak in the second half(not likely). needless to say another frustrating loss!!

ProfessorAnt

06-27-2006, 04:25 PM

Kyle

06-27-2006, 04:43 PM

Yeah, I'm still on the bandwagon, even though the wheels have fallen off.

I was enjoying, though, all the [al sharpton]OUTRAGED![/al sharpton] so-called Phillies fans who were calling up Eskin yesterday and saying either:
1) I'm done with Phillies baseball after the organization let Myers pitch Saturday
2) I'm actively rooting for this Phillies team to lose.

First off, you're just not a fan, period, if you're actively rooting against the team you claim to be a fan of. That completely flies in the face of what it means to be a 'fan'

Second, did I miss something? Didn't Myers allegedly hit his wife? Shouldn't the guy go to court and be found innocent or guilty before the team or MLB start dealing out punishment and making him sit out games?

I'm not saying the guy is innocent (it was in broad daylight, I'm sure there's witnesses) nor am I saying he's in any way likable (he really isn't) but the guy should at least be presumed innocent and treated as such until he is found guilty.

Anyway, I was just reading that Manuel may sit Burrell for the Orioles series to 'clear his head'. Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, anything that keeps him off the field at this point is good. He's hurting the team more than he's helping it. Let Shane-o and Dellucci platoon for a week or so.

ProfessorAnt

06-27-2006, 05:59 PM

Second, did I miss something? Didn't Myers allegedly hit his wife? Shouldn't the guy go to court and be found innocent or guilty before the team or MLB start dealing out punishment and making him sit out games?

He's been deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, just like Barry Bonds. Whom Phillies fans had no problem booing (me included).

I had to chuckle when Ron Burke's news tease was on CSN "Brett Meyers was allegedly arrested by Boston police for striking his wife." Allegedly arreested...right.

Kid Brock

06-27-2006, 06:21 PM

Myers definetly hit her. There were witness's and he pretty much admitted it to the cops. I like how the Phills "granted" him a leave of absense. They should of suspended him themselves or at least not pitched him this weekend.

Now with that being said. I like when the battered wife always ends up bailing out the husband. Stupid bitch he is whooping your ass keep him in jail for a few minutes before you sprint down to bail him out. It is just like every episode of cops except Myers has a few million in the bank.

Mick32

06-27-2006, 07:12 PM

domelogic

06-27-2006, 07:19 PM

i will still follow the team and purposely dont listen to wip cuz of the idiot fans. kyle you are right rooting against "your" team makes no sense and doesnt do any good. gillick will have some tough decisions to make but i think he will be selling. that isnt all bad especially if it changes the chemisty of the team.

the meyers situation could have gone either way. if they sat him the union would have gotten involved since you are innocent until proven guilty(that shouldnt be hard though) and if you pitch him like they did everyone comes down on the team for acting like he did nothing. i still cant believe the stupid shit did it in public with people around. again i will state how many times this must have happened in the past? his wife is an ass if this happened before and for bailing him out.

burrell needs to sit. he is pulling his head off of every pitch he swings at. getting delucci and victorino some atbats isnt all bad and actually should help some.

Kyle

06-27-2006, 08:01 PM

Jesus Fucking Christ, he punched and dragged his wife around on the fucking street in Boston IN FRONT OF MULTIPLE PEOPLE! Several people called 9-1-1. It's not fucking alleged. It happened.
BRET MYERS BEAT UP A CHICK IN PUBLIC WHO IS HALF HIS SIZE AND HER COMMENTS INDICATE IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
Yeah, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's not about giving him the benefit of the doubt. I agree, he obviously did it.

It's about how the organization should handle it, and also for me personally because it annoys me so much, it's about these assholes saying "I won't let my kids watch Phillies games anymore because Brett Myers pitched Saturday."

I don't think it's right of any team to suspend a guy "pending a legal outcome" even if it is an obvious case like this one. I don't think it's right when people call for the Giants to do it to Bonds, nor do I here, even though Myers is obviously a scumbag. After he's found guilty or plea-bargains, or whatever, then MLB, or if it's not in their jurisdiction, the Phillies themselves should throw the book at him in accordance with their good conduct rules.

Rey Lewis was accused of murder and played in the Super Bowl. Does that mean the Ravens supported murder by their inaction, like some of these douchebags are accusing the Phillies of silently affirming wifebeating by their inaction? No, they waited for due process to take it's course before.

Because the Phillies let him pitch Saturday doesn't mean the Phillies ownership supports wife beating. It means they're waiting for due process to take it's course before they assign punishment...

...or at least they meant that, because the two parties just "mutually agreed" to a Myers taking a leave of absence. That's the Phillies way of saying we don't need any more bad press. I honestly think they look worse now, because they've flipped positions so quickly.

I think they were handling it fine, provided they were going to punish him after his legal case.

Mick32

06-28-2006, 07:53 AM

Ray Lewis got accused of murder the year after he won the Super Bowl.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-28-2006, 11:11 AM

Ray Lewis got accused of murder the year after he won the Super Bowl.

Bzzt... WRONG...

Lewis was arrested after Stuper Bowl 34 in Atlanta, and played in Stuper Bowl 35 in Tampa

Lewis's public image was tarnished, however, following a Super Bowl party on January 31, 2000 when he was arrested along with his friends Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting for the murders of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Baker and Lollar were stabbed to death outside a nightclub during a fight in the Buckhead district of Atlanta. To avoid prosecution of the murder charge, Lewis copped a plea bargain wherein he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice, and agreed to testify against Oakley and Sweeting. Oakley and Sweeting hired noted Atlanta criminal defense attorneys L. David Wolfe, Bruce Harvey, and Steve Sadow, very high priced legal representation, that some commentators have suggested were paid for by Lewis. They were found not guilty in June, 2000. No other suspects have ever been arrested for this crime, and to this day, the Atlanta P.D. and D.A.'s office believe that Lewis' associates were guilty, but were unable to make the charges stick. On April 29, 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, who was born shortly after Lollar's death. The Baltimore Sun reported that Lewis has agreed to pay at least $1 million. The settlement pre-empted a civil trial scheduled to begin on June 14. A suit filed by Baker's family was settled previously for undisclosed terms.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis_%28NFL%29)

Mick32

06-28-2006, 04:32 PM

My bad.
I knew it wasn't the same year, though.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-28-2006, 10:57 PM

My bad.
I knew it wasn't the same year, though.

It doesn't matter, even though they have a shot at the Wild Card, this season is O-V-E-R. For this team to make the playoffs would be a disgrace.

Bob

06-28-2006, 11:32 PM

I still watch every phils game, just for laughs...

Kyle

06-29-2006, 02:37 AM

Well, buddies, I made the trip down to Baltimore today with a lot of the Phils faithful, like a do every year.

Two games, two losses.

This team could not be more done at this point. It's not just that they play badly, but it's that they don't seem to care. It shows in their body language, the way they go about even simple plays; I think the players no that they're done.

There's a few guys on the team going all out. Victorino is amazing. The guy nearly killed himself several times, and stayed in the game even though he was obviously hurt. Dellucci also has shown a lot of life since he's gotten to play. And of course, Howard is Howard. Two HRs in the night game. It a shame no one can set the table for him.

But outside of those guys (and Rowand), there's no sense of urgency, or sense of anger after continually getting their head bashed for a month now. For whatever reason, this team has quit.

As much as I think Charlie has done a terrible job and needs to be replaced, I'm not even sure you can fault him at this point. He essentially has a rotation of three rookies (Hamels, Mathieson, and even though he's not an MLB rookie, this is Madson's first full year as a starter) and Cory Lidle. And on top of that, most of his everyday players have packed it in.

This whole thing is just a train wreck. Gillick has to do something soon, be it change the manager, or begin dealing either with the hope of lifting this team from the gutter back into the wild card race this season, or building for next year. Either way, changes must begin to be made immediately.

domelogic

06-29-2006, 08:55 AM

kyle, you are absolutely right. i thought the same thing watching the games yesterday. it seems most of the team goes through the motions. the starting pitching has definitely packed it in, i mean when was the last time they didnt give up at least 5 runs? in my opinion it is selling mode time and hopefully pick up some talent that will want to play and win next year or 2008.

delucci, victorino, rowand, howard, utley and hell even coste when he gets a chance play hard. give me more players like that. goodbye abreu, burrell you were both given enough opportunities to carry a team and well you cant. here is what we have in the minors from this season:
g ab h 3b hr rbi tb bb so sb cs obp slg avg ops e
bobby scales 3B 52 176 24 60 12 2 5 24 91 19 48 2 1 .407 .517 .341 .924 4
carlos ruiz C 51 188 30 56 12 0 7 28 89 23 27 3 2 .382 .473 .298 .856 1
joe thurston 2B 75 277 43 82 19 5 5 28 126 26 38 10 6 .364 .455 .296 .819 6
chris robeson OF 47 185 26 54 11 2 1 10 72 13 38 13 7 .347 .389 .292 .736 3

thats it kids as far as anyone having a decent year in aaa. floyd is carrying a 5.0 era and brito is now up to 4.17 hopefully gillick has a plan.

ih8Uboo-boo

06-29-2006, 12:11 PM

I still watch every phils game, just for laughs...

+1

domelogic

07-02-2006, 09:59 PM

i am beginning to wonder if the phils are going to be trading delucci. he has been playing just about everyday and is hitting the ball well. something tells me it may not be burrell but delucci. i do believe they will trade abreu and detroit seems to be one of the best places since they have some young arms they are willing to trade.

speaking of the tigers it seems leyland is doing a hell of a job with them. it is a shame the phils said no thanks when he told them they would have to make some personnel switches. hmm wonder who was right and who is wrong.

i would also like to let them play coste a little more. fasano has proven he is not an everyday catcher and his role is that of a backup.

Kyle

07-02-2006, 10:25 PM

I would imagine they'll only trade Dellucci if they can't trade Burrell or Abreu.

I think they'd look to trade Abreu first, and after they do that, play Dellucci in RF, with Victorino as the utility OF.

I don't know what Dellucci's contract is after this season, but regardless, he'd be much cheaper than Abreu even if he is a free agent.

bobby scales 3B 52 176 24 60 12 2 5 24 91 19 48 2 1 .407 .517 .341 .924 4
carlos ruiz C 51 188 30 56 12 0 7 28 89 23 27 3 2 .382 .473 .298 .856 1
joe thurston 2B 75 277 43 82 19 5 5 28 126 26 38 10 6 .364 .455 .296 .819 6
chris robeson OF 47 185 26 54 11 2 1 10 72 13 38 13 7 .347 .389 .292 .736 3

I really don't know what the Phillies are going to do at 3B or C next season. Bell's as good as gone, but Scales isn't the long-term answer. Mike Costanzo is and he's several years away. As far as catcher goes, I could see them giving Ruiz a shot to win the starting job, although they'll probably call him up later in the season and let him play a lot to see if he can handle it. I could see them resigning Lieberthal as a backup if the money's right and he can't get a starting job elsewhere, too. Fasano is gone. He's only on a one year contract anyway.

I don't know a lot about Thurston. Roberson may replace Dellucci if he's let go, or come up as the 5th OF next season if either Burrell or Abreu are traded. Otherwise, he may be trade bait himself.

ih8Uboo-boo

07-03-2006, 12:33 AM

I don't know who is a potential FA at the 2 non-pitching positions that they need most (3b & C).

BTW All-Star Rosters are out, 3 Phitins on the squad, all of whom deserved to make it (no joking).

I'd have to think that Howard gets the start if Pujols can't go...

**edit**

Nevermind, I just saw that pujols played (and homered)today...

Kyle

07-03-2006, 01:20 AM

I just read Jeff Weaver was designated for assignment by the Angels. He's had an awful year so far, but he really wouldn't cost the Phillies a lot in terms of salary (which the Angels will pick up) or talent to bring in.

And honestly, as bad as he's thrown to begin this year, he's better than what the Phillies are throwing on the mound right now. I'd take a shot at him. He's been solid in the past and could conceivably turn it around with a new team.

onepickdaily

07-04-2006, 12:37 PM

6/24/2006 @ BOS S ND 3-5 L 173 U 10 5.0 7 3 3 5 4 1 115 23.0 4.00
6/19/2006 NYY S W 4-2 W 114 U 9.5 6.2 6 2 2 11 6 1 124 18.6 1.25
6/14/2006 NYM S L 3-9 L -145 O 9.5 2.2 9 6 5 4 1 1 62 23.2 3.00
6/9/2006 @ WAS S ND 8-9 L -143 O 8 3.0 7 6 6 1 1 0 67 22.3 0.60
6/4/2006 @ LA S ND 6-4 W -141 O 8.5 6.2 7 3 3 4 3 0 100 15.0 3.00
5/30/2006 WAS S W 4-2 W -184 U 9 8.0 3 2 2 6 2 1 116 14.5 0.55
5/25/2006 @ NYM S W 5-3 W -149 U 9 7.0 8 3 3 6 2 1 119 17.0 1.33
5/20/2006 BOS S L 4-8 L -101 O 9 6.1 8 6 2 3 1 1 107 16.9 0.60
5/14/2006 @ CIN S ND 2-1 W -134 U 10 7.0 4 1 1 5 2 1 95 13.6 0.60
5/9/2006 NYM S ND 5-4 W 122 O 7.5 8.0 5 2 2 6 0 1 115 14.4 1.83
5/3/2006 ATL S ND 5-4 W -108 O 8.5 7.0 5 3 2 5 2 1 117 16.7 2.20
4/28/2006 @ PIT S L 1-3 L -156 U 9 7.0 9 3 3 8 3 0 120 17.1 1.60
4/23/2006 FLA S W 4-2 W -201 U 9.5 6.0 6 2 2 5 3 1 102 17.0 1.17
4/16/2006 @ COL S W 1-0 W -130 U 11.5 7.2 7 0 0 5 1 0 114 14.9 2.00
4/10/2006 @ ATL S ND 3-5 L -112 U 9 5.0 7 3 3 6 1 1 95 19.0 2.00
4/5/2006 STL S ND 3-4 L 104 U 8.5 5.0 5 3 3 2 5 2 98 19.6 0.86

These are Brett Myers #'s for the year. Highlighted in red is the game that wet back bobby fucked up a play in the field in the 2nd inning after the Phillies jumped out to a 2-0 lead in the 1st. Now I know Myers has always been a head case, but this year he seemed to be doing great, he was 7th in the league in ERA 2.70, that was before the play.

Say what you want, but this is game when the wheels fell off, the Phils are 5-16 since that game (32-28 before).

__________________________________________________ ________

Eskin-He is in fucking heaven right now, with the Phils self destruction. I don't know the inside story, but someone in the Phils organization must have done something wrong to him a few years ago, because this guy loves when the Phillies fail. Trust me, I am pissed at the way this team has played/underachieved, however, to root for your home team to lose is absolutely ridiculous.

Stayed in Toronto for the weekend (TORONTO STINKS), went to the Saturday game. Sat in left field for the first 4 innings, stood in right field for the last 5 innings and crushed Abreu. I think I actually saw a tear in eye in the 7th.

Don't forget to vote for the last All Star-Nomar!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU BOBBY!!!!!

www.onepickdaily.com

domelogic

07-06-2006, 01:22 PM

great game by mathieson and another wasted opportunity for the phils. why is it everytime they get really good starting pitching they suck? another big hit by utley, rowand plays well but burrell and abreu come up short again.

Philadelphia AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Rollins, ss 3 1 1 0 1 0 1 .260
Utley, 2B 4 0 1 1 0 1 1 .305
Abreu, RF 3 0 0 0 1 2 1 .286
Howard, 1B 4 0 0 0 0 2 3 .283
Burrell, LF 3 0 0 0 1 1 1 .250

this is the box score for the game. howard produces pretty well so i cant blast him but this is way to frequent for burrell and abreu hasnt hit above
.290 in some time. looking at the team averages for hitting, makes it no wonder they are below .500 out of the everyday players you have 3 hitting over .280! dellucci is at .324 but only has 102 atbats and victorino is batting .281 (so he has dropped off lately) we might complain about pitching but damn if this team doesnt need some hitting

just heard the phils are bringing back meyers after the allstar break but arent sure if he is gonna pitch. wtf why bring him back then? management fucked the pooch on this one and doesnt know how to handle it at all.

ProfessorAnt

07-11-2006, 12:20 AM

I don't think 800 posts is worth starting a new thread, but I wanted to do something special. Ryan Howard is a special guy. He makes me happy. I even bought a 6 jersey. I am so glad that guys like him and Wright are taking over the sport that I LOVE. Its about time. I would have loved to see Thome and Howard slug it out but beating the Mets felt even better. What a night. Did anyone hear him say under his breath "Let's give Philly something to cheer about"? He recognizes that they are struggling and he wants to be a catalyst for this team.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060710&content_id=1551363&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp
PITTSBURGH -- Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard crushed five home runs in the final round of the CENTURY 21 Home Run Derby to overpower Mets third baseman David Wright on Monday night at PNC Park.

The right-handed-hitting Wright rapped out 16 long balls in the first round, including five in a row at one point, for the third-highest total for one round. He hit two more in the second round for a two-round total of 18, and four in the final round.

Howard powered out 10 balls in the second round, tying him with Wright at 18 each. Howard bested Miguel Cabrera of the Florida Marlins, who hit nine in the first round and added six more in the second for a two-round total of 15. David Ortiz of the Boston Red Sox, who hit 13 in the opening two rounds, was also eliminated.

Abreu set the single-round record when he opened with 24 on the way to a derby-winning 41 a year ago at Detroit's Comerica Park. He was not a participant in this year's contest. Ortiz, who had a distinct advantage this year as a left-handed hitter aiming at the short porch in right field, hit 17 in the first round at Detroit.

For the first time this year, a rule change allowed each player to carry his total from the first to the second rounds. In the past, no matter how many homers a participant hit in the first round, he would have to start all over again in the second round.

For example, Abreu hit only six homers in the second round last year, but survived to go into the finals when Milwaukee's Carlos Lee hit four and Ortiz hit just three. Ivan Rodriguez won that round with eight, but was bested in the final round by Abreu, 11-5.

This year, the two-round total gets two players to the finals where the slate is wiped clean.

Miguel Tejada of the Baltimore Orioles, who won in Houston two years ago when he hit 27 homers, was eliminated this year when he hit only three in the first round. Likewise, Lance Berkman of the Houston Astros (3) and Troy Glaus (1) were eliminated after only one round each at the plate.

Berkman, a switch-hitter batting left-handed, and the lefty-swinging Ortiz and Howard were the only players to plant shots cleanly into the Allegheny River, which flows just beyond the right-field porch.

Here's an easter egg in honor of Ryan
NSFW http://amazingpornvids.com/tgp/teens/brooke954/video-post.html
She's waiting for you in right field.

mikeybot

07-11-2006, 01:26 AM

Didn't see it, but if he did say that to him, here's hoping that the Philllies realize what kind of young talent they have now and somehow don't fuck it up like they usually do.

CM Mark

07-11-2006, 01:29 AM

Didn't see it, but if he did say that to him, here's hoping that the Philllies realize what kind of young talent they have now and somehow don't fuck it up like they usually do.
You mean like I am expecting the Mets to do?

I can honestly say I don't feel comfortable yet. The Mets got this big of a lead in one half of the season, they can lose it in the other half. I'll finally be confident when it's all said and done.

Best of luck to the Phillies the second half of the season. Let's see a competitive NL East.

mikeybot

07-11-2006, 01:35 AM

Kyle

07-11-2006, 01:45 PM

You mean like I am expecting the Mets to do?

I can honestly say I don't feel comfortable yet. The Mets got this big of a lead in one half of the season, they can lose it in the other half. I'll finally be confident when it's all said and done.

Best of luck to the Phillies the second half of the season. Let's see a competitive NL East.

With a 12 game lead, the Phillies would either have to go on an unbelievable hotstreak like the Indians did last season, or the Mets would have to completely collapse.

To the Phils credit, this core has been able to put together very hot stretches in the past, but they realistically don't have the starting pitching to put it together.

A Mets collapse is a possibility. I think we've started to see the shine come off that team a little. But they could suffer a mini-collapse and still win the division by 6 or 7 games with the way the rest of the teams are playing.

I think Atlanta's got the best shot if anyone's going to catch them. They've gotten hot going into the break. They still have a lot of talent, and they're a notrious second half team. If I was a Mets fan, I'd be more worried about them than the Phils, although if I was a Mets fan, I'd be counting the days until playoff tickets go on sale as well.

mikeybot

07-11-2006, 02:47 PM

domelogic

07-11-2006, 03:57 PM

I really don't want to see the Phillies get hot again at in Sept so they can say in the off season 'Well, we were only 2 games out at the end, we just need to tweak the lineup.'
No you don't, you need to shoot most of the pitching staff in the head just for starters.

even if they did get hot in september their record wouldnt justify them needing a little tweeking. i thought their biggest need was starting pitching but their hitting blows. to many guys who strike out. get rid of abreu and burrell move rollins to the number 8 hitter, pray they do something at third, stop playing nunez(who sucks batting like .140), play dellucci more, get more atbats for victorino especially since he has speed and give ruiz more time behind the plate. then we can go after the starting pitching. i mean some of these guys who have been brought up from the minors didnt do all that bad especially considering the mind set of the team. when they did pitch well there was zero run production for them.

this second half and off season will be gillicks make or break. i dont feel like having to take 5 years of my time to see if he can build a winner, that smoke has been blown up my ass to many times. all these moves have to made before the start of next season.

i am hearing more and more phillies fans saying they are rooting against them. i understand their frustration but that should never happen.

ih8Uboo-boo

07-11-2006, 04:44 PM

i am hearing more and more phillies fans saying they are rooting against them. i understand their frustration but that should never happen.

I'm one of those people, but I just want them to breakup the core of this team that hasn't done squat to justify keeping it together for another week, let alone another season.

I am tired of watching bad baseball and being told that it is not.

Kyle

07-11-2006, 10:37 PM

How can anyone actively root against their team and call themselves a fan?

It's waterhead logic.

Ballbuster1

07-11-2006, 10:44 PM

I'm one of those people, but I just want them to breakup the core of this team that hasn't done squat to justify keeping it together for another week, let alone another season.

I am tired of watching bad baseball and being told that it is not.
Yeah, it's time for a major shake-up from the top on down.
I've been a Phillies fan all my life, but this is getting ridiculous.
They are putting out a mediocre team and keep telling us that it's
almost a championship quality team. BULLSHIT!

ih8Uboo-boo

07-11-2006, 11:32 PM

How can anyone actively root against their team and call themselves a fan?
because i am tired.

Tired of seeing the same fundamental mistakes.
Tired of seeing poor defense.
Tired of seeing players come up small in big situations.
Tired guys hitting a 3 run HR when they are up by 5 or more runs.
Tired of seeing players with a lackadaisical attitude.
Tired of being told that a mediocre team is better than it really is.
Tired of seeing teams like the Mets, Red Sox, and Yankees make the big move.
Tired of knowing exactly how they're going to blow the game.
Tired of being the losingest franchise in baseball (or any sport).

I'm not actively rooting against the team, I don't want to see them lose the rest of their games. I just don't want them to make a run at the playoffs. I am rooting for a handful of players to do well. I'm just making it a point to not watch them as much and don't care any more when they lose.

If that makes me a waterhead, then so be it.

BTW - The Iggles report in 9 days, the media will be buzzing all over Lehigh alleviating some of the media scrutany. I am willing to bet that they get hot because there's no pressure on them.

domelogic

07-15-2006, 12:55 AM

unfuckingbelievable how this team pisses away leads. if you are watching the game then you saw a 3-2 lead turn into a 5-3 deficit and the inning isnt over, i just stopped watching. second half starts same as the first ended

Kyle

07-15-2006, 06:45 PM

John Kruk apparently has a radio show on 950 AM (who knew?)

Anyway, he said the White Sox were looking at acquiring Flash Gordon and some of the names being tossed around are Brandon McCarthy or Freddy Garcia.

I like Flash and he's one of the few guys who's had a great year but if they could get either of those guys it'd be tough not to make that deal.

Mick32

07-16-2006, 09:53 PM

How can anyone actively root against their team and call themselves a fan?

It's waterhead logic.
I do agree that it is very difficult to actively root against your own team. To call it "waterhead logic" is simply wrong, however.
Don't think so? Take a look at the 05 Philadelphia Eagles, if you will. It made ZERO sense for that team to win a fucking game past mid-November. All that did was move them from a top five-seven draft pick to fourteenth. The only thing a win late in the season does is make Andy Reid's career record look better. Only a "waterhead" Eagles fan would want the Eagles to win those games.
But fuck if I could root against them. It made sense to do so. I didn't "want" them to win those games. But I couldn't do it.
This Phillies team isn't to the "I can't root against them" level, at least to me.
They just have too many fucking players that I hate, yes, hate.

mikeybot

07-16-2006, 10:01 PM

The Phillies care about as much about their fans as Howie does.

Wilmington WOW

07-18-2006, 09:23 AM

Hopefully the yankees will take Abreu for some pitching.
this team is a major dissapointment

I hear Lou Pinella might have interest in managing the team

The front office has to get off their ass and make some good deals

domelogic

07-18-2006, 09:31 AM

Kugzilla

07-18-2006, 10:29 AM

<--still on strike from this team until the organization makes a commitment to winning. I'll be at the party celebrating the 10,000!!! loss though...should be sooner than you think.

Sooner than that, maybe.

Kyle

07-18-2006, 01:01 PM

I read in several articles that the yankees first two choices for trading are abrue or burrell. i have no idea what they have left in a farm system that has been depleted the last 4-5 years. I wouldnt mind seein abreu go to detroit for some of that good young pitching prospects they have. then again they are 'prospects' since we all remember the phillies selling the media and the fans how great their farm system pitching was.

can someone explain to me what happened to cole hamels since he was brought up? the guy cant put the ball over the plate. he is constantly behind hitters and has been above 50 for his pitch count before the end of the 3rd inning.

First off, I still don't think Abreu is going anywhere. The ONLY place I could see him landing is with the Yankees and that's only if Steinbrenner forces Cashman to trade Philip Hughes (The Yanks top pitching prospect) which Cashman has said he won't, repeatedly. Jim Leyland said the Tigers have no interest in Abreu, contrary to reports.

And as for Burrell, nobody wants him, plain and simple. If he stays hot and puts together another really good week though, maybe interest will pick up in him, but even then, he makes way too much money going forward to have much value.

As far as Hamels is concerned, it's simple...he's young and overmatched right now. The expectations for him were so high it would have been pretty much impossible for him to live up to them. He'll be fine in the long run, and he honestly hasn't pitched terrible for a rookie. He's still averaging a little over a K per inning, and his pitch selection and location will improve as he learns the hitters.

I wouldn't worry about him. He also did pitch well enough where he should have gotten the W yesterday.

domelogic

07-18-2006, 04:03 PM

Kyle

07-18-2006, 05:29 PM

kyle, i get your point with hamels and agree with you. I am just a little concerned about his accuracy. his pitch count has been extremely high the first 3 innings for about the last 5-6 games he has pitched. i am not and never was expecting him to be fernando when he got called up but was definitely looking for him to throw strikes based on what he did in aaa. yes he has pitched well enough to have won a few games, which is the reason i am not concerned about his wins and losses record.

I think it's something that tends to happen to most rookie pitchers. When they jump from AAA to MLB, they:
a) don't get as many called strikes (you have to earn respect at the new level)
b) Hitters don't swing through pitches as much.

Hamels is a guy who got a lot of swinging strikeouts, out of the strike zone, in the minors, with his nasty curve. Hitters in general have a much better eye at the MLB level so he'll have to adjust.

as far as abreu and burrell, those were reports i have read. personally the only place that will trade for them and not want some of the contract paid for is the yankees. i wouldnt believe leyland and when george gets a stick up his ass cashman loses everytime. the phils are going to have to do something though and the end of july will be here before you know it.

a personal wish is to see both abreu and burrell gone. my feeling is they were given their shot and have come up way short in accomplishing anything. i want another direction taken, preferably one that puts players on the field who go all out night after night.

I would drive Burrell to the airport if that would help. He NEEDS to be off this team.

I'd like to keep Abreu. I still think he's a very valuable player in the right situation. He'd be batting #1 or #2 in my lineup, though. I heard a while back that Abreu actually volunteered to bat leadoff this year but Manuel turned him down.

VilleDick

07-18-2006, 05:44 PM

I would actually pay Burrell's salary and send him to another team in this division so he can kill their rallies. Just think, we'll gain about 7 or 8 games a year as Burrell kills rallies for the New York Mets. Well worth the money we'd be paying him. He is fucking terrible and I hate him. In the words of Bill Conlin, "It's a shame Burrell wasn't the one hitting his wife in Boston. He would've swung and missed."

ih8Uboo-boo

07-19-2006, 01:07 PM

I am probably in the minority, but I think that burrell in the right situation can still be productive for this team. I see the problem as more the sum of the parts, rather than the individual player. That makes it look worse than it is. Yes, he's gonna strike out a lot, but that is typical for a power guy. I'm OK with him hitting .270 with 30 HR, 100 RBI and striking out 150 times. The problem with the lineup is that you are looking at 400 plus strikeouts in the 3, 4 ,5 holes (Abreu 130, Burrell 150, Howard 150). Its hard to win consistently when you have that many Ks in the heart of your lineup.

Not to mention that if you trade him there's no right-handed power in the lineup at all.

That being said I'd rather trade Burrell and keep Abreu because Bobby is the better player. Unfortunately, Bobby has more trade value and I don't think that Burrell gets you anything significant in return. Trading Burrell right now would be like getting 3 Nickels for a Quarter. A trade like that doesn't help this team out at all.

Johnny Manf

07-19-2006, 02:34 PM

i'm going to the picture day game on saturday.
i'll get to meet some phillies and get pictures. yippee, maybe i'll tell them what i really think of the team. nah i'll probably just pose for pics with anyone willing to.

Kyle

07-26-2006, 02:23 AM

Well, I think it's time for this team to officially throw in the towel and become sellers.

I don't know if they'll be able to move Burrell and Abreu, but they could and should move (if they can get anything decent):
-Tom Gordon
-Jon Lieber
-Cory Lidle
-Two of the following (Arthur Rhodes, Rheal Cormier, Aaron Fultz)
-David Dellucci
-David Bell (hey, he is playing really well now...he may have some value)
-Mike Lieberthal (he has no value, but you need to give Carlos Ruiz a chance to play full time the rest of the year to see if he can be the starter going into next season...so just dump Lieberthal already).

Their rotation should look like this for the rest of the year:
-Brett Myers (self-explanatory...he's good an he's here for the long haul)
-Cole Hamels (give him a chance to continue to adjust and get comfortable in the majors)
-Randy Wolf (Wolf is interesting in that he's a free agent after the season. Pitch him to see if he has anything to offer. If he turns out to be any good, he could be a bargain to resign for next year.
-Ryan Madson (he's running out of time, though. He's looking worse and worse as a starter going forward)
-Scott Mathieson OR Gavin Floyd (Mathieson was ok enough to deserve another look. Otherwise it may be time to find out what Floyd finally has)

The team also needs to look at Carlos Ruiz as a potential full-time catcher, and if they actually can move Burrell or Abreu, Shane Victorino as a potential full-time OF.

They need to move into the evalutaion phase of this season. Hopefully they can replentish the system with prospects from moving players. And if that Gordon for Brandon McCarthy deal is still available from the White Sox, I'd make that in a second.

Kyle

07-26-2006, 03:45 AM

Here's the Phillies Top 10 Prospect list going forward, and how they've fared this year:

1) LHP Cole Hamels - Age: 22, Level: MLB
(w/ A Clearwater) 20.1 IP, 1-1, 1.77 ERA, 29 K, 9 BB
(w/ AAA Scranton) 23.0 IP, 2-0, 0.39 ERA, 36 K, 1 BB
(w/ MLB Phillies) 55 IP, 2-5, 5.98 ERA, 62 K, 27 BB

2) LHP Gio Gonzalez - Age: 20, Level: AA
108.2 IP, 4-9, 4.39 ERA, 120 K, 58 BB

3) 3B Welinson Baez - Age: 22, Level: Low A
304 AB, 28 R, 64 H, 2 HR, 33 RBI, 24 BB, 118 K, 2 SB, .211 AVG

4) 3B Mike Costanzo - Age: 23, Level: High A
375 AB, 48 R, 87 H, 8 HR, 52 RBI, 44 BB, 104 K, 2 SB, .232 AVG

5) SS Brad Harman - Age: 20, Level: High A
333 AB, 48 R, 81 H, 2 HR, 23 RBI, 36 BB, 75 K, 5 SB, .243 AVG

6) OF Michael Bourn - Age: 23, Level: AAA
(w/ AA Reading) 318 AB, 62 R, 87 H, 4 HR, 26 RBI, 36 BB, 67 K, 30 SB, .274 AVG
(w/ AAA Scranton) 72 AB, 15 R, 23 H, 0 HR, 7 RBI, 10 BB, 16 K, 8 SB, .319 AVG

7) C Jason Jaramillo - Age: 23, Level: AA
217 AB, 24 R, 49 H, 4 HR, 28 RBI, 26 BB, 37 K, 0 SB, .226 AVG

8) OF Greg Golson - Age: 20, Level: High A
(w/ A Lakewood) 387 AB, 56 R, 85 H, 7 HR, 31 RBI, 19 BB, 107 K, 23 SB, .220 AVG
(w/ A Clearwater) 4 AB, 1 R, 2 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 SB, .500 AVG

9) RHP Scott Mathieson - Age: 22, Level: AAA
(w/ AA Reading) 92.1 IP, 7-2, 3.21 ERA, 99 K, 29 BB
(w/ MLB Phillies) 21.1 IP, 0-2, 5.48 ERA, 14 K, 5 BB
(w/ AAA Scranton) 13.2 IP, 2-0, 4.61 ERA, 16 K, 4 BB

10) OF Chris Roberson - Age: 26, Level: AAA
(w/ AAA Scranton) 257 AB, 41 R, 77 H, 1 HR, 13 RBI, 20 BB, 51 K, 19 SB, .300 AVG
(w/ MLB Phillies) 18 AB, 2 R, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 3 K, 0 SB, .058 AVG

Here's some other names we're all familiar with and how they've done:

- RHP Gavin Floyd - Age: 23, Level: AAA
(w/ MLB Phillies) 54.1 IP, 4-3, 7.29 ERA, 34 K, 32 BB
(w/ AAA Scranton) 64.1 IP, 4-2, 4.90 ERA, 54 K, 18 BB

-C Carlos Ruiz - Age: 27, Level: AAA
(w/ AAA Scranton) 242 AB, 48 R, 78 H, 9 HR, 44 RBI, 31 BB, 36 K, 3 SB, .322 AVG
(w/ MLB Phillies) 44 AB, 2 R, 9 H, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB, 4 K, 0 SB, .204 AVG

So what does all this mean? Well, the Phillies have two blue chip prospects in Cole Hamels and Gio Gonzalez.

After that, the system is VERY sparse. Costanzo's a first round pick, but is 23 and struggling in A ball. Jaramillo is several years away still and even if he pans out, only projects as a back of the lineup guy. Other than that, the offensive prospects just aren't really there. Michael Bourn's the only other notable guy. He projects similar to Victorino.

As for the other pitchers, It's unclear where Mathieson and Floyd project. Mathieson could be a solid starter or a very good reliever down the road. Floyd at one time projected as an 'ace-quality' starter, but is completely up in the air as to if he'll ever work out.

And then there's the enigma, Carlos Ruiz. He's been dominate as a starting catcher in the minors but has failed to impress in a few stints in the majors. He's close to being given the backup catcher label if he doesn't prove he can carry the load of a starter his next time around in MLB.

The bottom line is that the Phils really need to replentish their system badly. Selling off some players this year could go a long way in the future.

CM Mark

07-26-2006, 03:56 AM

at least yopu didn't lose 2 outta 3, so far, to the Cubs.

The Mets are imploding

domelogic

07-26-2006, 09:34 AM

bourn should have and would have been given a chance if the phils were so monetarily committed to burrell and abreu. i for one have had enough of these two. their salaries make it difficult to trade(thanks again wade!). i dont want to see delucci go and would like to see him get a shot at being a full time outfielder next year. i say sell off any or all of their relief pitchers if you can get some quality in return. this season has been about as dissappointing as any in recent memory. mainly because of the shit they did with bowa and saying how hard he was on the players, obviously that is bullshit and always should be bullshit.

so if we can trade any of the following I wouldnt mind: burrell, abreu, lieberthall, bell, any of the relief pitchers, charlie manuel

is it me or do you get really pissed off at seeing this team time and again blow leads? sunday night it was because he left myers in to long and last nite it was gordon getting himself into trouble(granted that call at second SUCKED!!)

time to sell

Kyle

07-26-2006, 01:19 PM

Phillies trade Fasano to Yankees
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer

The Phillies have made a trade.

They shipped catcher Sal Fasano, whom they designated for assignment this weekend, to the New York Yankees for infield prospect Hector Made. Made, who is listed as a shortstop, will join single-A Clearwater.

Made, 21, hit .279 with two home runs and 23 RBIs this season for single-A Tampa. Born in the Dominican Republic, Made signed as a non-drafted free agent with the Yankees in 2001. He entered this season a career .272 hitter with a career .333 on-base percentage in four seasons in the Yankees farm system.

One down...better to get anything for him than let him got for free which would have happened anyway.

-The Yanks, Red Sox, and Twins are reportedly interested in Lieber and Lidle.

-The Yanks and Tigers supposedly have interest in Abreu, but neither are expected to make a deal by the deadline

-The Orioles, Dodgers, and Cardinals supposedly have interest in Burrell, but neither are expected to make a deal.

-The Cardinals, among many others, are interested in David Dellucci

Mick32

07-29-2006, 06:25 AM

I'm so happy Gillick traded Bell that I may even be ok if he does nothing else. Maybe.

Kyle

07-29-2006, 11:32 AM

Aizazzle

07-29-2006, 02:55 PM

Yep, just saw it:

Brewers Get:
3B David Bell

Phillies Get:
RP Wilfrido Laureano (Class A)

Laureano is a 22 year old RP. I don't know how he projects as a prospect, so I'd just assume this is a salary dump since they still owe Bell $2 million for this season.

Nunez will start at 3B. Coste will play as the backup 3B/1B, and I assume Carlos Ruiz will be called up to be the backup C.

HE IS GOING
HE IS GOING
HE IS GOING

HE IS GONE :clap: :clap:

I didn't hate Bell like I hate Burrell or Abreu or Liberthal (Bell actually gave an effort )
1 DOWN 5 MORE TO GO

THIS IS THE LIST OF PEOPLE I WANT GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobby Abreu
Pat Burrell
Mike Liberthal
Jon Lieber
Cory Lidle

Kyle

07-29-2006, 09:15 PM

Bobby Abreu

Abreu should only be traded if they get the right offer in return. I was in the stadium last night for one of the worst plays I've ever seen where he got picked off of 1B in a clutch situation and as easy as it would be for me to rail on him and say he sucks because of that, he's still a very very good player. I wouldn't trade him but if they do, they better get something.

Pat Burrell

Burrell should absolutely be traded, but won't because of his contract

Mike Liberthal
Could go now that he's in his last year, but I believe he's a 10 & 5 guy which gives him veto over a trade. The Phillies should trade him, but he could exercise his veto.

Jon Lieber
Could go, but has another year at $7 million which might scare teams off.

Cory Lidle
Will probably be traded.

Aizazzle

07-29-2006, 09:24 PM

Saturday July, 29,2005 is a good day

David Bell is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:icon_lol:
Ryan Howard hit another HOME-RUN :clap:
Chase Utley extends his hitting-streak:clap:
Willis got chased out of the game .:icon_mrgr

You think everybody is performing on a better level not ot get traded?:icon_mrgr

Kyle

07-30-2006, 05:01 PM

Utley's extended to 30 games, but the news of the day:

Yankees Get:
OF Bobby Abreu
SP Cory Lidle

Phillies Get:
SS C.J. Henry* (Class A Charleston)
LHP Matt Smith (Class AAA Columbus)
C Jesus Sanchez (GCL Yankees)
RHP Carlos Monasterios (GCL Yankees)

*- Henry is the Yankees first round pick from the 2005 draft.

Henry's a very good prospect. I don't know exactly what the Phils plan is, though, with Rollins as the long term SS. Maybe they try to convert Henry into a 3B in the minors. Maybe they see if how he pans out and if he becomes good enough, they trade Rollins down the line.

Smith's a potentially decent pitcher. He saw limited action with the Yanks this year a did ok. My guess is this move is foreshadowing the move of Rhodes, Cormier, Fultz, or any combination of those players.

Sanchez & Monasterios are unknown quantities.

Their next move is probably to either move Jon Lieber or some RPs (but not Gordon).

ih8Uboo-boo

07-30-2006, 05:19 PM

I think that the deal depends on getting bobby to accept the trade. Personally, I thought that they would have gotten more players who were ready for the bigs in the deal. With the exception of smith, you gotta figure that everyone else are a couple years away. Though stocking up the farm system is not a bad thing either

The most important thing that you get out of the deal is that they now have some payroll flexibility for next year

Edit: Holy Crap they just gave Bobby a standing ovation when they announced the trade at the park... Yet philly fans have no class...

mikeybot

07-30-2006, 05:53 PM

Reporting class doesn't sell.

domelogic

07-30-2006, 06:00 PM

they went with prospects for abreu and lidle which is okay if they use the salary they saved wisely. i like a couple of the prospects and am now beginning to think a good portio of their team can or will be traded. dont be suprised if burrell goes late tonite or early tomorrow. it now looks good for dellucci to stay(which i am all for). you probably will see at least two relief pitchers traded. if any of this happens all i can say is thank god they are cleaning house. you might even see a spark from the phils if/when some of these guys vacate the clubhouse. it appeared from what i read that abreu actually wanted to be traded and was looking forward to it.

pat has done more in his year and a half then wade did in his entire tenure. i guess i will have to be on the internet from now until 4pm tomorrow to see what happens.

Aizazzle

07-30-2006, 06:42 PM

domelogic

07-30-2006, 08:27 PM

there payroll was around 90 million. abreu and burrell accounted for about 20 million of that. these numbers are rounded and are from my memory which could be wrong.

Kyle

07-30-2006, 09:54 PM

1-1 tie in the 2nd game of the double-header going into the 6th. It's not televised tonight, though, because of the ESPN game.

Burrell with a solo HR for the Phils. Willingham with a solo HR for the Fish.

So far, pretty good stuff from Madson.

A win puts them only 5 games back of the Reds (and only four in the loss column)

Edit: Marlins come back and put one on the board off a triple by Amezaga. Rollins comes back in the bottom half with a solo shot. 2-2 right now.

Edit #2 - Dellucci triples in the 6th, Utley extends his hitting streak to 31 games with an RBI single. 3-2 Phils. Somebody open the checkbook for Dellucci.

domelogic

07-30-2006, 10:33 PM

Edit #2 - Dellucci triples in the 6th, Utley extends his hitting streak to 31 games with an RBI single. 3-2 Phils. Somebody open the checkbook for Dellucci.

see this is what i have been saying. he plays hard and fits in well with utley, howard, rowand and others

kyle, you havent been updating as they now have blown this game open

Kyle

07-30-2006, 10:40 PM

see this is what i have been saying. he plays hard and fits in well with utley, howard, rowand and others

kyle, you havent been updating as they now have blown this game open

Oh yeah, Phils have taken over. Here's the rest of the 6th:

-Ryan Howard (35) 2 run shot to center off Pinto, Utley scored.
-Victorino singled to center, Rowand and Nunez scored, Coste to second.

7-2 Phils. Madson's out, Rick White's in, in relief.

The Phils still have a shot if they get hot, but they have three games @StL and three @NYM this week which could be a tough time. If they come out of that with 4 or 5 wins, though, then this team could be hitting it's stride.

Dellucci's one problem is he doesn't have a strong enough arm to play RF. Burrell does, but Burrell doesn't cover enough ground to play there.

So it's not a perfect fit, and that may be the hang up in them signing him long term. But you always have Victorino to play defense in the late innings so I'd sign to a long-term contract as the new RF.

And I can't believe I'm seeing (or hearing tonight) this, but Nunez has actually shown life since he's taken over the starting job.

domelogic

07-30-2006, 10:51 PM

well trader pat said in his news conference that there is definitely one more deal happening and maybe 2. he also said that if dellucci and nunez were given the chance to play everyday they would do well. i didnt believe it about nunez but he is proving me wrong.

i said this team could get hot once some of these players have vacated the clubhouse. i dont know about the playoffs but at least we could be watching some good baseball

for the record this game should be on tv, with all these homers i have to watch comcast to see them. utley goes boom, ugh

ih8Uboo-boo

07-31-2006, 12:41 AM

Nunez filled in nicely when rolen went down with his shoulder last season for the cards.

Anyone have any ideas who will be free agents on the market at the end of the season???

Mother Shucker

07-31-2006, 01:12 AM

A better rotation? I do not think they win ANY match up through the rotation.

The Philly offense is a bit better, but the stats are misleading due to the fact you play in that retarded ball park that makes pop flys homers. Then again, maybe that is why are pitching stats are better. Either way it should be a good NL East race with most teams sticking around to the end.

WOW, just WOW. Did I blow this call or what. OK, just to show you Philly phans how big us Met fans are. I will admit to my mistake. NONE of you Mother Fuckers stuck around and where ALL out of it by the all-star break. Sorry to miss lead you guys. I am sorry.

Kyle

07-31-2006, 01:32 AM

WOW, just WOW. Did I blow this call or what. OK, just to show you Philly phans how big us Met fans are. I will admit to my mistake. NONE of you Mother Fuckers stuck around and where ALL out of it by the all-star break. Sorry to miss lead you guys. I am sorry.

Just like a typical Mets fan. You FINALLY get the hot chick, shoot your load early, she leaves, and six more years futility.

Win something first, and then start to brag. Until then, you're still a second tier team in the shadow of New York's only real baseball team...and that's coming from someone who fucking hates the Yankees.

Kyle

07-31-2006, 01:35 AM

Nunez filled in nicely when rolen went down with his shoulder last season for the cards.

Anyone have any ideas who will be free agents on the market at the end of the season???

Eh...I'm not talking free agents until a mathematical elimination from the wild card...and last check, the Phils are making some in-roads in that direction.

Do I expect something to actually happen? No...but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

Towelie

07-31-2006, 03:12 AM

Just like a typical Mets fan. You FINALLY get the hot chick, shoot your load early, she leaves, and six more years futility.

Win something first, and then start to brag. Until then, you're still a second tier team in the shadow of New York's only real baseball team...and that's coming from someone who fucking hates the Yankees.

Man talk about a change of tune

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4192/mapiz9.jpg

Heres an update for you to screen cap

NY Mets 63-41 .606 --
Philadelphia 49-54 .476 13.5

Didnt you say we were going to collapse like the 05 Nats too?

I told you in June it was over

"Realistically, I think it's a stretch to think that we're going to be there in '07," Gillick said. "I think probably right now, it's going to take longer than that. We've got some younger people in the pitching staff, especially, that we're going to plug in. With young people you have inconsistency, so it's going to take time to get their feet on the ground. I think it's probably going to be a little slower."

"With free agency, you can classify anything as long-term," Gillick said. "I would say it's going to take another year at least."

Bwahahaha at least we get a shot to get the hot girl...The Phillies are glory holing it on the side of the Jersey Turnpike

And if we are the 2nd tier team in NY, you are the 2nd tier team in Pennsylvania...Less championships, PNC > Citizens Bank...Hell you guys have less postseason apperance then the Pirates in the last 15 years

:action-sm Phillies...See you in 2010

domelogic

07-31-2006, 08:17 AM

with these posts reminds me exactly why i hate everything new york. one good year and out of the wood work comes every bug that had to hide since 2000. yes the mets are the 2nd rate new york team and i absolutely hate the yankees. but i dont get the attitude from mets fans. its not like there 100 million plus payroll has gotten them even close to the playoffs the last 5 years. lets review your last 5 yrs shall we:

2005 New York Mets National League 83 79 .512
2004 New York Mets National League 71 91 .438
2003 New York Mets National League 66 95 .410
2002 New York Mets National League 75 86 .466
2001 New York Mets National League 82 80

now its not hard to imagine kyle being right with your blowup. so take your first place lead and go win something or keep living off of 86 like you have gotten use to

ProfessorAnt

07-31-2006, 11:37 AM

i just heard it announced that Ryan Madsen and Gavin Floyd will start the season in the rotation and Ryan Franklin will be in the bullpen.

Its official we have a rotation with two #2s and three #5s...do you hear that?

The bandwagon is starting up and its ready to roll. I'll be the first one on and I'm not getting off until we beat the fucking Braves. That's all I want this year. Next year, we'll talk.

Looking back can help us look forward. The starting rotation from Spring Training has been about as good as expected. Madsen is so streaky you can't call him a 2 or 3 yet, Floyd has an ERA over 7 with only 34 Ks in over 70 innings. The bottom 3 rotation pitchers have been all over the place and we had to pull up Hamels to get some pitching. I won't knock him, but if the rotation had been stronger they would not have had to give him so many starts so early in the season. Myers still isn't a #1. Leiber still isn't a #1. Lidle was much better than a 5 but he's gone. Wolf is back and he looks like he'll be in top form next year.

I'm still going to be content beating the Braves this year because we are so obviously setting up for a push in 2008 when all of the players here are "Gillick-esque." I can see long term and I am a supporter of the franchise. I do not have blinders on or a hard-on for management, but I give Pat Gillick the benefit of the doubt since he has to deal with Ed Wade's steaming pile of shit. I'm glad Abreu is gone and I hope Burrell is next. They will have do something to replace Nunez because he's a liability if that's all we have next year at the hot corner. Today is going to be a good day.

//Go Phils

ProfessorAnt

07-31-2006, 12:24 PM

I have to admit, I was liking the stuff that he was throwing recently, but it was time to deal him since he has value now rather than next year...when he was going to be a free agent anyway.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhaXhxqAcEty0C61W4MU0qM5nYcB?slug=redsph ilstrade&prov=st&type=lgns

PHILADELPHIA (Ticker) - General manager Wayne Krivsky provided more help for his bullpen hours before the non-waiver trade deadline.

The Cincinnati Reds on Monday acquired veteran lefthander Rheal Cormier from the Philadelphia Phillies for minor league righthander Justin Germano.
Cormier, 39, was 2-2 with a 1.59 ERA in 43 appearances with the Phillies this season, allowing 27 hits in 34 innings.

Krivsky's priority in his first year as Reds general manager has been to improve a bullpen that started the season with veterans David Weathers and Kent Mercker in prominent roles. But earlier in the month, Krivsky acquired All-Star closer Eddie Guardado from Seattle and also obtained righthander Gary Majewski and lefthander Bill Bray in an eight-player deal with Washington.

A 14-year veteran, Cormier has appeared in 656 games with four major league teams and compiled a 71-63 record with a 4.01 ERA.

Germano, 23, appeared in just two games, including one start, with Cincinnati this season, going 0-1 with a 5.40 ERA. He spent the majority of the season with Class AAA Louisville, where he was 8-6 with a 3.69 ERA in 19 games, including 18 starts.

Germano was acquired by the Reds in the deal that sent third baseman Joe Randa to San Diego last July.

It is the third trade in four days by Phillies general manager Pat Gillick. In each, the Phillies dumped veterans for prospects.

The Phils sent third baseman David Bell to Milwaukee on Friday and shipped two-time All-Star outfielder Bobby Abreu and righthander Cory Lidle to the New York Yankees on Sunday. In the deals, the Phils received pitchers Wilfrido Laureano, Matt Smith and Carlos Monasterios, shortstop C.J. Henry and catcher Jesus Sanchez.

The Reds (55-50) are 3 1/2 games behind first-place St. Louis in the National League Central Division and 1 1/2 games ahead of Arizona in the wild-card race.

The Phillies (49-54) are five games behind Cincinnati in the wild-card race.

Phils get Minor Leaguer for Cormier
07/31/2006 10:17 AM ET
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com

PHILADELPHIA -- Rheal Cormier became the latest Phillie to vacate the premises on Monday, when the Phillies dealt him to the Reds for right-handed pitcher Justin Germano.
Comier, 39, ends a Phillies run that began in 2001 and included a career-best season in 2003. He was having a fine 2006 season, compiling a 1.59 ERA in 43 games.

Cormier's spot on the roster will be filled by reliever Brian Sanches, 27, who was recalled from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Cormier's 14 big-league seasons have included stints with the Cardinals, Red Sox, Expos, Boston again and the Phillies. Earlier this week, Cormier gave his approval for a deal with the Cardinals, but it fell apart.

Germano was ranked by Baseball America as San Diego's seventh-best prospect prior to the 2005 season. He was dealt to the Reds later that season.

Germano appeared in two games (one start) this season for Cincinnati, going 0-1 with a 5.40 ERA. He spent the majority of the season with Triple-A Louisville, where he was 8-6 with a 3.69 ERA in 19 games.

Kyle

07-31-2006, 01:22 PM

Yeah, I liked what they were getting from Cormier as well too, but Germano is a nice add. A 23 year old pitcher who's just about MLB ready.

He's not a highly touted prospect in the class of players like Cole Hamels or Gio Gonzalez, but I'd equate him to being similar in potential to Ryan Madson.

He could become a solid bullpen piece or a middle of the rotation starter down the road.

Good trade. About 30 minutes until the Phils/Marlins BPS. Lieber's scheduled to start. We should know whether he's been traded, or about to be traded, based on whether he makes the start or not.

I think they'll hold onto him.
a) They can get more for him in the offseason if they choose to trade him
b) It'd be nice to have a veteran starter to lean on next year. I know Gillick is talking 2008 for the Phillies being a contender again (which is funny, because they're still in the race this year), but I think that's him lowering expectations instead of pulling the ol' Ed Wade trick of "we can win the world series with this team."

That way if they do contend in 2007, it's a pleasant surprise for fans (unless they sneak in this year which is still my hope).

The Phillies could end up making quite a few trades in the offseason. There are no good 3Bs or Cs available this offseason. I think Hillenbrand is the #1 3B available and he's average at best. But the Cubs are rumored to be looking to move Aramis Ramirez this offseason. He would be a nice fit as a 3B on the Phils, although I don't know how sharp a defensive 3B he is.

domelogic

07-31-2006, 04:54 PM

one thing you have to love about gillick is the fact that he is stock piling the minors with pitchers. you can never have enough of them and he knows all he needs is for 2-4 to pan out and you have a solid rotation or pitching staff.

wow just looked at the box score from today, lieber got pounded as he has all season. utley extended his hit streak and sandoval got a hit.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-01-2006, 12:21 AM

According to Baseball America, germano has average stuff at best. The good thing is that he's young and with young pitching it is a crap shoot at best.

Kyle

08-01-2006, 01:02 AM

That's really how Madson was projected when he first game up. Now, obviously, Madson's struggled this year, but he's also had past success. Germano's probably the same way. In the right situation he can help the team. But it's not necessarily something to count on. Still, to get him for Cormier was a good move. It gives you one more potential chip on the farm.

Anyway, Germano's probably pretty inconsequetial to the Phillies big plans. Gillick envisions piecing together his rotation over the next two years like this:

1. RHP Brett Myers
2. LHP Cole Hamels
3. LHP Gio Gonzalez (now in AA Reading)
4. RHP Scott Mathieson
5. another starter from the system or a Free Agent veteran pitcher

Myers turns 26 this August. Generally, starting pitchers hit their prime between 27-32 years old. Myers already is a VERY good #2 starter and he has all the talent and ability to up his game even more as he enters those years and become a legitimate #1 starter in Major League Baseball. The question is will they give him a long term deal and will he want to stay in the organization.

Hamels, as everyone knows, was considered the best LHP prospect in baseball at one point. He's already shown flashes of the #1 starter he could be. By 2008 (Gillick's time-table for himself), he'll be entering his third year in the majors and should be ready to step to the next level (if not sooner than that: see Francisco Liriano).

Gonzalez probably won't crack the majors this year, and unless his REALLY throws some sick stuff next spring, will start in AAA, but he'll definitely be up sometime next year. I don't know if he's quite on Hamels level as far as being a future #1, but he should be a very good #2 LHP, with potential for a lot of Ks. He's still considered a blue-chip (especially in this organization), and will pay dividens.

Mathieson isn't quite a blue chip prospect. The forecast for his major league career has varied, but it's probably best to say if all goes well he can be a solid middle of the rotation guy. If he doesn't materialize as a SP, the Phils have expressed interest in him as a future closer. But assuming everything works out, he'll be a nice, but not spectacular SP.

And the last spot is up for grabs among a bunch of guys between Ryan Madson, Gavin Floyd, Justin Germano, etc. None of these guys can be counted on as a long term solution, including Floyd at this point. They're all just a shot in the dark. If the Phils don't find a prospect in the system capable of rounding out their future rotation, then Gillick will open the checkbook for a starter. He doesn't like to tie up a lot of dollars in free agent pitchers, but he would spend a decent amount for a steady veteran to round out a young, stud rotation, if it's a contending team.

The ideal situation is for these guys to round into form the same way the Tigers have this year, and the same way the Braves have in years past, by 2008, at the latest.

2007's not out of the realm of possibility. If Myers pitches well and Hamels catches fire earlier than expected, they could at least contend for a playoff spot. But '08's the year to watch.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-01-2006, 01:44 AM

So you think that they dump wolf?

Kyle

08-01-2006, 09:58 AM

So you think that they dump wolf?

If they can sign him to a one year deal for a reasonable money, I could see them bringing him back next year.

But they won't resign him long-term coming off his injury unless he pitches lights out the next two months and really gives them a reason to do so, which is highly unlikely as Tommy John guys usually take a while to get going.

Either way, I don't think he's in their long term plans.

Aizazzle

08-02-2006, 07:40 AM

August, 1 ,06

Ryan Howard hit his 36th HR
Chase Utley hit in his 33rd consecutive hit.
The Phillies won 5-3

Any chance they sneak into the Wild Card:icon_lol:

domelogic

08-02-2006, 09:23 AM

August, 1 ,06

Ryan Howard hit his 36th HR
Chase Utley hit in his 33rd consecutive hit.
The Phillies won 5-3

Any chance they sneak into the Wild Card:icon_lol:

we will find out after these 5 road games or at worst by august 17 when they finish a homestand with the mets

in that time they will have played 7 against the mets 3 against the braves 3 against the reds and 2 against the cards 8 on the road and 7 at home

i certainly hope they make some sort of run especially since i will see them on the 17th against the mets

Aizazzle

08-02-2006, 09:46 AM

we will find out after these 5 road games or at worst by august 17 when they finish a homestand with the mets

in that time they will have played 7 against the mets 3 against the braves 3 against the reds and 2 against the cards 8 on the road and 7 at home

i certainly hope they make some sort of run especially since i will see them on the 17th against the mets

HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE THAT THE PHILLIES SNEAKED INTO THE WILD CARD . ANOTHER THING THEY NEEED TO GO 13-2 THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY GO IN THE WILD CARD. IMAGINE IF UTLEY CONTINUES HIS HIT-STREAK UNTIL THEN . I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ESKIN'S FACE OR HEAR HIS SHOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER(I HATE THAT COCKSUCKER DADFUCKER ) IF THE PHILLIES MAKE THE PLAYOFFS .:icon_mrgr

ih8Uboo-boo

08-02-2006, 10:20 AM

In all reality, if the phillies somehow make the playoffs it will be, because the NL sucks. Not that they are that good.

It would be great, but they need too many things to go right to make it happen.

Aizazzle

08-02-2006, 10:23 AM

Kyle

08-02-2006, 11:26 AM

Yes, it'd be because the NL is terrible. But a playoff spot's a playoff spot and I'd take it.

National League
Team W L PCT GB
Cincinnati 55 51 .519 -
Arizona 54 52 .509 1
Colorado 51 55 .481 4
L.A. Dodgers 51 55 .481 4
Milwaukee 51 56 .477 4½
San Francisco 51 56 .477 4½
Philadelphia 50 55 .476 4½

I don't know if you can make a case that the any of these team are much better than the Phillies, even after the trades they made.

The Dodgers and Brewers are the two best of the bunch because they have the most pitching. But both are still weak.

Anyway, the Phils have a chance to jump as many as three more teams on the list with a win tonight. (Rockies and Brewers play each other, or else it'd be four).

If they get Hamels and Mathieson to tap in to their potential early and get hot down the stretch, they could very well take it. That's not likely, and it's not something that can necessarily be counted on, though.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-02-2006, 11:58 AM

Each team in the Wild Card Race has a flaw. Its going to come down to which team's flaw doesn't kill them down the stretch.

I agree with you though. The only teams from that list that I am concerned with are LA and Milwaukee. They probably have the best starting pitching staffs, but both have had some bullpen issues.

Aizazzle

08-02-2006, 12:04 PM

This is great Us Phillies fans finally have hope again . See what Abreu going could do to ya. I'm kinda scared of the Reds . Their starting pitching is not great but their bullpen is good and their bats are great so they are the team I'am scared of .

Kyle

08-02-2006, 12:34 PM

ih8Uboo-boo

08-02-2006, 12:35 PM

A little bit of waiver trade news:

Jason Varitek of the Red Sox was injured and will miss at least a month if not longer. The Sox are supposedly looking to make a waiver deal for either Javy Lopez from the Orioles, or Lieberthal.

I'lll drive Lieberthal to Boston myself...

Aizazzle

08-02-2006, 12:37 PM

Well, don't kid yourself. This team had a much better shot THIS year with Abreu. The Abreu move is one that may payoff down the road.

A little bit of waiver trade news:

Jason Varitek of the Red Sox was injured and will miss at least a month if not longer. The Sox are supposedly looking to make a waiver deal for either Javy Lopez from the Orioles, or Lieberthal.

Good if Liberthal got traded then there will be two left but the Phillies gota squeeze out a good prospect from Boston. For some reason I find it satisfying to bash Abreu.

domelogic

08-02-2006, 05:58 PM

Jason Varitek of the Red Sox was injured and will miss at least a month if not longer. The Sox are supposedly looking to make a waiver deal for either Javy Lopez from the Orioles, or Lieberthal.

how does that work? wouldnt lieberthal has to clear waivers first? i mean it goes by record so boston would be one of the last teams to be able to claim him. This is assuming somebody would want him.

i agree the NL is weak and would be the only reason the phils would get in. since it doesnt matter for the draft, unlike bball, then i hope they get it but the fact is they dont have the pitching to contend even if they did get in. i have no problem waiting for what gillick is putting together. i mean at least i can see a plan and not the happy horseshit wade tried to feed me.

i have read several articles about the attitude in the clubhouse in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. lidle, abreu were two mentioned that were more concerned about that then how they did on the field. attitudes like this can crush a team even if it is loaded with talent. i am not blaming them perse but it doesnt help.

on a side note bourn got sent down again and roberson was brought up. it is a shame but they want bourn to start a season and play the whole season. this kid is going to be good and since they have a plan i am willing to wait.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-03-2006, 12:02 AM

how the fuck is that a fielder's choice????

**Edit**

Nevermind they fixed the ruling, its a hit...

Kyle

08-03-2006, 12:09 AM

how the fuck is that a fielder's choice????

**Edit**

Nevermind they fixed the ruling, its a hit...

Dude, I almost started smashing stuff I was so pissed when they reversed that call.

Thankfully they got it right. It was a hell of a play for him to even beat that out.

Anyway, looks like another win. And with another Reds loss it's down to 3 1/2. Phillies Phever is catching fire again.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-04-2006, 12:21 AM

Kyle

08-04-2006, 12:51 AM

You know at this point, it's not all that improbable. 2.5 is very easily made up. They do need to get over .500 first, though. As bad as the NL is, a team under or at .500 isn't winning the wild card. Somebody is going to heat up and run off some games. Maybe it'll be the Phillies.

They need to keep their momentum going and pick up at least two of three at Shea this weekend. That's going to be a very fun series to watch, and it's defintely a big test to see if these guys are for real or not. Even if they only win one game, which would be disappointing, you should still be able to tell a lot just by how they play and whether they're competative.

And yes, if they made the playoffs, Manuel would stay. As clueless as he is, how can you justify firing a manager who gave you your best season since 1993 in 2005, and your first playoff appearence since '93 in 2006.

Hopefully these guys stay hot.

domelogic

08-04-2006, 02:58 PM

As clueless as he is, how can you justify firing a manager who gave you your best season since 1993 in 2005,

dont get carried away but i see your point. obviously last years record had nothing to do with him or this year would have started out quite differently. i do agree he gets to keep his job(unless by some miracle gillick has big balls) but i dont think i will thank him anytime soon for the job he is doing.

the way they are playing should be a sign to players like burrell, lieberthall and any of those they traded on what attitudes can do to a clubhouse. i believe they will go on a streak and i stated that when lidle and abreu got traded but also think the play of a few players will pick as well.

i will state it again i want dellucci here and starting next year. he is the type of player this team needs and one i like to watch play. he fits in well with utley, howard, rowand, and if rollins keeps his head in the game him too.

domelogic

08-04-2006, 11:24 PM

howards homer gives them the insurance run that should put the game away and here comes that streak we have talked about. this team is playing like it did back in may when they went on that run

utley failed to get to 40 but i now have another reason to hate new york fans. instead of applauding the guy for his streak they decide to give him the business. i hope that fat fuck kid bites into a hotdog filled with razor blades.

this was a very good game to watch though.

Ballbuster1

08-04-2006, 11:32 PM

This looks like a completely different team right now, which leads to the following question...

If the Phillies pull off the improbable and make the playoffs, do they still fire Gomer Pyle?? I think he kinda has to stay, doesn't he???
If the Phillies make the playoffs it's only because the National League
sucks balls except for the Mets this year. I hate that they are giving
people false hope that this team is any good. The Phils need to make
major changes to be competive and that's not going to happen as far
as I can see.

domelogic

08-04-2006, 11:52 PM

ballbuster, you didnt like the lineup they had out there tonite?

with the exception of nunez and needing a catcher, i am happy with the other six. i want the team to sign dellucci, victorino brings nice speed and has a tremendous arm, rowand is great on defense, howard at first and utley at second enough said. rollins isnt terrible at ss so that leaves 3rd and catcher. pitching is an altogether different story but i like the way gillick is going about it.

Kyle

08-05-2006, 10:23 AM

If the Phillies make the playoffs it's only because the National League
sucks balls except for the Mets this year. I hate that they are giving
people false hope that this team is any good. The Phils need to make
major changes to be competive and that's not going to happen as far
as I can see.

They honestly don't need to make a lot of changes. They're going young with their pitching, which is fine. Myers is developing into a legitimate #1, and Hamels, Mathieson, and Gonzalez (who hasn't been called up yet) are all top notch prospects.

The only thing that might hurt this team this season and next is inexperience, but as far as makeup, they don't need to make a whole lot of changes. They just need their pitching to continue to develop properly. And you have to be encouraged by Hamels and Mathieson's last starts. Does it mean they'll pitch lights out the rest of the way? No, but it means they're on the right track.

Kyle

08-05-2006, 04:10 PM

What a fucking jizzbag Burrell is. The rest of this team is busting their asses to keep the Phils in the playoff race and Burrell doesn't run down a ball that's rightfully his and then refuses to go into the wall to try and make a play.

I get that the guy is playing hurt, but show a little pride, man.

Bob

08-05-2006, 04:37 PM

The Mets did not win that game, the Phillies lost it due to Leiber's error and Pat Burrell's complete lack of heart and hustle. Why pinch hit for Rowand, to piss another outfielder off.

This game pissed me off big time today, Burrells garbage.

Kyle

08-05-2006, 04:41 PM

I can't explain well enough how much I hate Burrell. The guy talks all this shit about Wagner being the bad teammate who didn't have any heart (which is partially true; Wagner does have heart, but that hack did cost them the playoffs last year), but then he shows no effort in the field and doesn't even take the fucking bat off his shoulder in the 9th.

The look on Rollins face after the 7th said it all. The guy is a selfish fucking prick. $13 million a year? Fucking stealing money.

What an awful way to lose. Hopefully they put it behind them and make it 2 of 3 tomorrow. They need to come out of Shea with at least a pair of victories to stay hot.

domelogic

08-05-2006, 06:59 PM

Aizazzle

08-05-2006, 07:25 PM

FUCK THAT FUCKING LIEBER!!!!! LEARN HOW TO FIELD ASSHOLE!!!

BURRELL YOU JUST SUCK.

was at a picnic watching the game with a bunch of phillies fans and i do believe i could have hit both of those guys with baseball bats. sorry for the caps but i am still pissed those two gave that game away. i dont care if burrell gets another atbat this season, play dellucci against lefties. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

See I told you these are the last two guys on my list who NEED to get traded for the Phils to win . For some reason I couldn't post for the past 2 days anybody want to explain? If this about was me criticizng the mods I'am sorry but it was kind of a joke guess you guys took it seriously sorry again:icon_cry: . Anyway the Phils should re-sign Delluci now before he becomes a free agent . Ryan Howard is Hall-Of-Fame material. I'am sorry to see Chase's streak end in NY those classless holes . Next time Phils play Mets in Citizens Bank Park here are some chants I want to hear:

FUCK -YOU-WRIGHT!!!!!!!
JOSE-SUCKS COCK!!!!!!!!!
DELGADO-IS-A-RACIST-MOTHERFUCKER!!!!
BELTRAN-IS-A-COCKSUCKING DADFUCKER!!!!!!!!!

Mets fans were classless we need to beat them man . Utley is one of the nicest guys in baseball and for them to boo him was fucking dispicable:icon_mad: .Anybody agree with me?

Last thing I'am really disappointed that Lieberthal didn't get traded . But if the Phillies go to the playoffs then Gillick needs to get the GM Of The Year Award.

Kyle

08-05-2006, 09:31 PM

Just to address the last two posts:

1) I put it more on Burrell than Lieber. Burrell's two blunders cost them the lead. You have to give Lieber credit. He pitched a hell of a game. His error was nauseating, but it didn't necessarily cost them game. Burrell did. And then he put the exclamation point on it with that abortion of an at bat in the 9th.
2) Of course Mets fans are classless. They are the absolute scum of the Earth, and always have been. People can say what they want about the Yankees, but at least their fans are baseball fans too. Mets fans are just typical NY trash.
3) Lieberthal's actually been playing well in his platoon with Coste. I'm glad they didn't trade him. He got robbed today by David Wright on the last play in what looked like a sure fire double.

Tough loss, but if they take two of three, they'll still be on track. Burrell needs to be benched. I don't care how much money he makes, he doesn't give a damn about his play and he's hurting the team. Put it in the hands of Dellucci, Rowand, and Victorino.

domelogic

08-05-2006, 11:02 PM

Tough loss, but if they take two of three, they'll still be on track. Burrell needs to be benched. I don't care how much money he makes, he doesn't give a damn about his play and he's hurting the team. Put it in the hands of Dellucci, Rowand, and Victorino.

Afuckingmen!!! that is what i have been saying.

as for today i agree with you about burrell but lieber has just flat out sucked this year. i have given up on a long time ago, saying i wanted him traded but now i have reached that point with lieber, which is the reaon for my rant on him.

i stated above about how classless the mets fans are and said it gave me another reason to hate new yorkers. pathetic is about all anyone can say.

getting two out of three will be good but the chance for a sweep at this point would have been crucial for their psyche. just please dont play burrell tomorrow, pretty please.

Tax Kuntz

08-06-2006, 12:54 AM

Mets fans were classless we need to beat them man . Utley is one of the nicest guys in baseball and for them to boo him was fucking dispicable:icon_mad: .Anybody agree with me?

Booing Utley was actually a sign of respect.

Kyle

08-06-2006, 02:16 AM

Booing Utley was actually a sign of respect.

I get that it can be interpreted that way, but it's still weak. I have no problem with Mets fans booing him and wanting him to lose the streak during that game, but after it's over, you have to give the guy a nice nod.

Although, honestly, I can't say that if it was David Wright with a 35 game hitting streak that Phillies fans would have acted any differently. It'd probably have been split. The regulars down at the park and people who are baseball fans would have given him a nice sign of respect after it was over, but the asshole contingent which can make up anywhere from 25-50% of the crowd on a given night at Citizens Bank Park probably would have done the same thing Mets fans did with Utley.

Aizazzle

08-06-2006, 02:33 PM

I get that it can be interpreted that way, but it's still weak. I have no problem with Mets fans booing him and wanting him to lose the streak during that game, but after it's over, you have to give the guy a nice nod.

Although, honestly, I can't say that if it was David Wright with a 35 game hitting streak that Phillies fans would have acted any differently. It'd probably have been split. The regulars down at the park and people who are baseball fans would have given him a nice sign of respect after it was over, but the asshole contingent which can make up anywhere from 25-50% of the crowd on a given night at Citizens Bank Park probably would have done the same thing Mets fans did with Utley.

You know I'am one of those ass-hole kind of fans but even I would have given him a hand after the streak was over. True I would have booed him at his at-bats but I would never boo the guy after a 35 game hitting streak was over.Which is exactly if i get my hands on some tickets on the next mets vs Phillies I'am going to try and start the chants I suggested in an earlier post .

Anyway the Phillies need to take 2 out of 3 from the Phillies to make the momentum going. By the way what is Chris Coste's contract status?? I would like to keep the guy.

Bob

08-07-2006, 03:56 PM

Anyway the Phillies need to take 2 out of 3 from the Phillies to make the momentum going.

:nuts:

Johnny Manf

08-07-2006, 04:05 PM

ryan franklin was traded to the reds for a player to be named later.
i never liked franklin, any game i saw with him in, he was blowing it. the player they get is probably going to be another prospect.

Kyle

08-07-2006, 07:08 PM

I doubt it will be anything remotely worthwhile for Franklin, though.

Anyway, they definitely had their shot at 2 of 3. That loss on Saturday was a really bad way to lose. And Sunday...well, that was just a beat down.

They get the lowly Braves next, though.

Aizazzle

08-08-2006, 07:48 AM

ih8Uboo-boo

08-08-2006, 10:31 AM

Is it too early to start MVP chants for howard?

Aizazzle

08-08-2006, 10:40 AM

Is it too early to start MVP chants for howard?

No it is never too early to start a chant like that especially since the Phillies are only 2.5 games behind the Wild Card leader.

Ryan Howard :

2nd in the league in HR's (1st in NL) with 39.
2nd in the league in RBI's (1st in NL)with 101.(Trails Ortiz in both)

ProfessorAnt

08-08-2006, 11:25 AM

Alright I was wrong about about the Phillies needing to take 2 out of 3 from the Mets to keep the momentum going .

The Phillies won last night 8-6

Ryan Howard hit his 39th HR

I got worried that the Phillies might lose when Jones hit the HR(but I guess they are not the same old Phillies)

fyi...they are the same old phillies, but we refuse to give up hope until they are mathematically eliminated.

seriously though, i don't think it is too far fetched for them to give everyone a run for the wild card, but they will be playing until the last day of the season if they have a shot and even when they help themselves there's bound to be a spoiler (like Houston last year). gillick said he needed to improve by 5 wins over last year. I don't think the skeleton crew he has now is capable of getting back to 88 wins with only 51 games left and 93 is (quote me now) IMPOSSIBLE. That would mean going 39-12 for the remainder of the season. If it happens they can compete for the WOrLD Series. Without such heroics, they are dead in the water in the NL and the AL is in a different league (no pun intended). They showed that they can beat up on the cardinals, but can they do it when its all on the line...and the Mets will always have their number.

Aizazzle

08-08-2006, 12:05 PM

fyi...they are the same old phillies, but we refuse to give up hope until they are mathematically eliminated.

seriously though, i don't think it is too far fetched for them to give everyone a run for the wild card, but they will be playing until the last day of the season if they have a shot and even when they help themselves there's bound to be a spoiler (like Houston last year). gillick said he needed to improve by 5 wins over last year. I don't think the skeleton crew he has now is capable of getting back to 88 wins with only 51 games left and 93 is (quote me now) IMPOSSIBLE. That would mean going 39-12 for the remainder of the season. If it happens they can compete for the WOrLD Series. Without such heroics, they are dead in the water in the NL and the AL is in a different league (no pun intended). They showed that they can beat up on the cardinals, but can they do it when its all on the line...and the Mets will always have their number.

I don't think they are the same old Phils . Abreu is gone . They are not scared to make some deals. NL is pretty bad this year . I don't think there will be a spoiler team this year.

Kyle

08-08-2006, 04:22 PM

seriously though, i don't think it is too far fetched for them to give everyone a run for the wild card, but they will be playing until the last day of the season if they have a shot and even when they help themselves there's bound to be a spoiler (like Houston last year). gillick said he needed to improve by 5 wins over last year. I don't think the skeleton crew he has now is capable of getting back to 88 wins with only 51 games left and 93 is (quote me now) IMPOSSIBLE. That would mean going 39-12 for the remainder of the season. If it happens they can compete for the WOrLD Series. Without such heroics, they are dead in the water in the NL and the AL is in a different league (no pun intended). They showed that they can beat up on the cardinals, but can they do it when its all on the line...and the Mets will always have their number.

The "experts" are projecting the NL wild card winner to come in at 86 wins this season. That means 32-19 from here on out would put them right there.

Schedule wise, the rest of the season goes: (current records in parenthesis)
2 @ ATL (51-60)
3 vs. CIN (57-55)
4 vs. NYM (66-44)
3 vs. WAS (49-62)
4 @ CHC (47-64)
3 @ NYM (66-44)
3 @ WAS (49-62)
4 vs. ATL (51-60)
3 vs. HOU (53-58)
4 @ FLA (51-60)
3 @ ATL (51-60)
3 @ HOU (53-58)
3 vs. CHC (47-64)
3 vs. FLA (51-60)
3 @ WAS (49-62)
3 @ FLA (51-60)

Only 10 of the remaining 52 games are against teams over .500 (7 vs. NYM, 3 vs. CIN).

So it's not unthinkable. The problem is that with a lot of young pitching, it's unpredicatble, and you're as likely to get a start like Mathieson had Sunday as you are to get one like Hamels last start.

Aizazzle

08-08-2006, 04:33 PM

The "experts" are projecting the NL wild card winner to come in at 86 wins this season. That means 32-19 from here on out would put them right there.

Schedule wise, the rest of the season goes: (current records in parenthesis)
2 @ ATL (51-60)
3 vs. CIN (57-55)
4 vs. NYM (66-44)
3 vs. WAS (49-62)
4 @ CHC (47-64)
3 @ NYM (66-44)
3 @ WAS (49-62)
4 vs. ATL (51-60)
3 vs. HOU (53-58)
4 @ FLA (51-60)
3 @ ATL (51-60)
3 @ HOU (53-58)
3 vs. CHC (47-64)
3 vs. FLA (51-60)
3 @ WAS (49-62)
3 @ FLA (51-60)

Only 10 of the remaining 52 games are against teams over .500 (7 vs. NYM, 3 vs. CIN).

So it's not unthinkable. The problem is that with a lot of young pitching, it's unpredicatble, and you're as likely to get a start like Mathieson had Sunday as you are to get one like Hamels last start.

When are the experts ever right :action-sm

That's a good sign that the Phils only have 10 games against opponents above .500. That Reds series is going to be crucial

I agree that the young pitching is the biggest worry .(Only if they pull through ) . Imagine the possibilities ..................................

On a side note Kyle can you pls not criticize me in front of other fans it kinda gives them ammo to say that your own fanbase doesn't agree with you . It would be appreciated . I just want to argue with them to annoy them and in my opinion If I want to annoy someone I will use any means necessary (even if it means pulling stuff out of my ass which I did) . I want to annoy oppposing fans . That's why I'am a pest.

domelogic

08-08-2006, 07:24 PM

i said it before and it is worth repeating, we will know if they are in the wild card hunt by the end of the next mets series, which is august 17th. they will have played wild card type teams and the division throughout those games. i am just begging to see the team win a game when i am there and that will be on the 17th. heres praying that i get to see hamels pitch as well.

Aizazzle

08-09-2006, 11:34 AM

The Phillies lost last night 3-1 .

I was disappointed
But I think Delluci should bat 2nd in the lineup.
It hurts me a lot but Burrell has got to bat 5th in the lineup.

ProfessorAnt

08-09-2006, 01:00 PM

Aizazzle

08-09-2006, 01:04 PM

Dellucci's hit was monster in the 8th. 399 and he needed 401 to clear the wall. Jones was ready to steal one over the fence though. Another game where they leave a ton of runners stranded especially ones in scoring position. Hudson was pitching too well to leave runners stranded. I'm not sure of the stats for Hamels, but he's been hard pressed for run support. His record is not an indication of his ability.

I hope they can get the bats hot again this weekend to stay in the race. Go Phils.

Yes indeed go Phils
Delluci's hit was mostrous but only a few more feet (sigh:icon_frow )
I hope that the Phils get their bats hot again .

Was this game any indication that if the Phillies make the postseason they would make their exit quickly if they get a good pitching team. It hurts to know the truth:icon_cry: .

domelogic

08-09-2006, 02:46 PM

Kid Brock

08-09-2006, 03:24 PM

That throw by Giles was perfect especially since he was falling over at the time, but big boy Ryan Howard was cruising around those bases. It is good to see a young slugger like that hustling and grinding it out.

Aizazzle

08-09-2006, 03:28 PM

hudson had some serious movement on that fastball. he pitched really well but so did hamels. i would have been reluctant to pinch hit for hamels in the top of the 7th because of the way he was pitching but a one run game is tough. more impressive was the bunt hudson layed down to score the first run of the game(suicide squeeze).

giles killed them last nite as well. his throw to third was absolutely perfect to get howard. off a little and he is safe.

yes the phils would struggle in the post season if they saw pitching like that, but then most teams would. some of their best hitters have only been in the league a year or two, and that inexperience would hurt but lets get there first.

for all you burrell haters(i am no longer on his bandwagon) his green light 3-0 pitch was a clunker as he nubbed it off the end of his bat back to the pitcher. it is unfortunate that i dont look forward to him coming to the plate anymore.

I'am happy to hear you are onthe Burrell hater list.Although I hate to admit but the Phillies do need Burrell in their batting order as he needs to hit 5th so Delluci could bat 2nd where he is much more sucessful .

I agree Tim Hudson had great stuff and that squeeze bunt was fantastic and something Manuel wouldn't try to save his life. But any pitcher could have a great night so does that mean that the Phillies will not score more than 1 run ???? If it does then we are done .

Giles killed the Phillies last night . His play on Howard was just ...................... .:icon_cry:

Aizazzle

08-09-2006, 07:55 PM

Sorry I'am double posting ..........................:icon_cry:

The Phillies won 9-3

It was all thanks to Chase Utley.Utley hit a go-ahead, three-run double and scored from second on an infield grounder during an 8 run seventh inning(this play is an example of why Chase is loved in Philly)

They finished the trip 6-3 and are now 3 games behind the Dodgers and the Reds for the Wild Card lead.

Randy Wolf pitched 5 1/3 innings but didn't get the win . He gave up 3 runs and two of them were earned .

The seventh inning was great the Philliees had 14 at-bats and drew 4 walks and got 6 hits . The inning had to be 40-50 min. That is the most runs the Phillies have scored in one inning this season . My thanks goes to Willy Aybar because of his error there were 3 unearned runs.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-11-2006, 05:24 PM

Huge series this weekend... HUGE...

Kyle

08-11-2006, 05:30 PM

Huge series this weekend... HUGE...

Yeah, this almost as big as the Astros series last year. Not quite because it's still a bit early.

They drop three in a row and they're done.

If they sweep, not only do they maybe break Cincinnati's back, that probably puts them, at the worst within a game or so of the wild card lead.

This is baseball, though, so it'll probably land somewhere in between those two extremes.

Still, I'm hoping to break out the brooms...Lieber's start tonight is probably going to be the toughest of the three games.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-11-2006, 05:43 PM

Aizazzle

08-11-2006, 06:00 PM

brooms would be great but are a little much to expect against the Reds again.

If they can manage to win 2 out of 3 for most of the remaining series and not get swept in the other series, they will be playing meaningful games in late September

I say a sweep is coming gentleman . If the Phillies sweep the Reds that pretty much puts the Reds out of the picture (vice-versa). If the Phillies take 2 out of 3 then it's going to be a lot tighter . If it's 1 out of 3 for Phillies then it's a deep hole to come out of. If they get swept then say bye-bye to the season of 06.

Lets hope that Lieber has a good game ( like the Mets except the throw) . The good news is that the opposing pitcher Lohse is 2-5 6.85 ERA which is worst than Lieber's 5.71 ERA . I have a feeling though that is going to be a slugfest.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-11-2006, 06:10 PM

Vegas agrees with you, the over is 10 1/2 for tonight...

Aizazzle

08-11-2006, 06:57 PM

Vegas agrees with you, the over is 10 1/2 for tonight...

Finally someone agrees with me :jump Yes Yes Yes.
But I can't have that . My rep gets destroyed mannnnnnnn:icon_mrgr

So I change my prediction to this is going to be a:

PITCHING DUEL

If it happens then I'am a baseball expert

Aizazzle

08-12-2006, 12:17 AM

As I'am writing this the Phillies just got out of a bases-loaded jam in the 13th inning . So I'am happy . This game is pretty nerve-racking . By the way the walks Ryan Howard has got in clutch situations in extra innings has proven that Ryan Howard is one of the best 1B in the league if not the best . Aaron Rowand hits a long flyball ah no it gets caught by Dunn FUCK FUCK FUCK . Dunn caught it right at the wall. Liberthal and Nunez have just got back-back base hits . Victorino is coming up to bat. He is 1-2 with an RBI . Liberthal is at 2nd . Anyway here is how the game has gone so-far

Scoring Summary
Bottom of 1
- Burrell singled to left, Dellucci scored, R.Howard to third.
Top of 4
- E.Encarnacion homered to right on a 1-1 count, Griffey Jr scored.
Top of 6
- E.Encarnacion homered to left on a 0-0 count.
Bottom of 8
- Rollins homered to center on a 2-1 count, Victorino scored.
- Burrell tripled to center, Utley scored.
Top of 9
- Ja.Valentin homered to right on a 0-0 count, D.Ross scored.
Bottom of 9
- Victorino hit a sacrifice fly to right fielder Hollandsworth, C.Roberson scored.
(FROM FOXSPORTS)

Victorino has a 2-2 count right now
FUCK he just struck-out and now there's two outs

Here comes Rollins he has already hit a two-run homer
FUCK FUCK FUCK somebody just robbed Rollins of a hit MOTHERFUCKER:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:

Here is the 14th inning I will just keep writing this shit till the game is over
LaRue just grounded out.
Ryan Freel just drew a walk
Scott Hatteberg just bunted and moved Freel to second (2OUTS)
Ken Griffey Jr is at-bat and he just flied out to Utley who chased the ball like it was the last thing he ever did.

Bottom of the 14th
Delluci is at the plate now and he just got a base-hit in to right field
Utley is the plate now 3K's for him tonight with 2 hits 3-0 for Utley and he drew a walk .
Howard is at the plate and the Reds have walked him in all clutch situations and there is another one FUCK.
Aaron Fultz is on-deck and the Reds just loaded the bases with 0 outs and ultz flied out to shortstop and Rowand is coming he has a chance to win the game .
YES HE GOT A HIT FOR THE WIN

Kyle

08-12-2006, 12:46 AM

Un-fucking-believable game...maybe the best one I've seen in at least the last five years.

I stayed home tonight because I couldn't tear myself away. And after calling every person I know to share the joy, who better than Wackbag to share more.

First off, Lieber pitches amazing and get no run support.

The Rollins home run was incredible to tie it in the 8th.

The Burrell TRIPLE with two strikes was fucking shocking to give them the lead.

Off that high, Gordon nearly killed me on the blown save.

Then extra innings were just amazing baseball. The managerial strategies, the clutch situations, the great pitching on both sides...UNBELIEVABLE fucking baseball game.

I'll say one thing....the Reds shot their load in a BIG way tonight and lost. They burned two of their starters including tomorrow's starter to win, and they fucked up big time. They could implode from this loss.

Walking Howard intentionally with two on, no open base, and no outs was a dumb as fuck move by their manager.

And at least three unbelievable defensive plays...Utley had one, Victorino had one, and Hollandsworth's to rob Rollins was one of the plays of the year.

Again, GREAT FUCKING GAME...this is the kind that carries a team and breaks the other.

Has to be a Game Of The Year candidate in Major League Baseball this season.

mikeybot

08-12-2006, 10:31 PM

Gotta love Howard hitting his 40th for the tie.

ih8Uboo-boo

08-12-2006, 11:35 PM

Gotta love Howard hitting his 40th for the tie.

only to have Gordon blow it... do you think his arm is a little tired???

also, back to last night. Bases Loaded, nobody out, Fultz is batting in the 14th, why is he even swinging???

domelogic

08-13-2006, 12:29 AM

only to have Gordon blow it... do you think his arm is a little tired???

also, back to last night. Bases Loaded, nobody out, Fultz is batting in the 14th, why is he even swinging???

my dad and myself had that very same conversation today. if he is not thinking right then someone, hello manager, has to think for him. if that numnutz had hit into a double play, well anyway its over

i turned that game off in the top of the 8th last night to spend time with my girlfriend. nothing against her but FUCK, i missed a great game. i dont know what happened tonite as i was at a picnic with no tube to check in on. i saw some replays and it seemed like they gave the game away. after last nites win and having momentum this loss is dissappointing.

Kyle

08-13-2006, 03:01 AM

I was out tonight but happened to catch most of the game at a bar. Tough loss. I think Manuel made the right decision in bringing Gordon in, it just didn't work out.

It can't be that his arm is tired...he's hardly pitched compared to other closers...he's just going through a rough patch right now. 2 of 3 will still be good for this series. Then they'll need to try and take 3 of 4 from the Mets next week.

That'll put them at .500 by next week. And after this stretch of the Reds and Mets, their schedule is ridiculously easy. Remember what I posted earlier about 86 wins being the projected total for the wild card winner. It is very much feasible for the Phils.

mikeybot

08-13-2006, 04:33 AM

I don't think I'm going to post anything about a game in progress from now on.

Aizazzle

08-13-2006, 06:52 PM

domelogic

08-14-2006, 12:20 AM

This stinks and I don't like it. I give the Phillies credit for not giving in but they needed to win those two games . I'am so miserable right now looking at the Phillies in 6th place with 4.0 games back. :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:

I'am just plain old sad:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:

Anybody else with me?????????????????????????

to make the comeback they did the last two days and see it pissed away the very next inning is god damn depressing. the difference between the phillies and every other team is when they lose a game like they won on friday, they would absolutely drop the next two. instead cincy grabs leads in both games like they had the momentum. well like i said before we will know before the end of this mets series whether they are in or out and it looks like they will be out.

btw great atbat by burrell in the nineth. sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm play dellucci every fucking day

ryan howard is turning into the david ortiz of the nl with his clutch performances. he has his average over .290 and if he gets it to over .300 you might be looking at a potential mvp candidate

Aizazzle

08-14-2006, 04:18 PM

to make the comeback they did the last two days and see it pissed away the very next inning is god damn depressing. the difference between the phillies and every other team is when they lose a game like they won on friday, they would absolutely drop the next two. instead cincy grabs leads in both games like they had the momentum. well like i said before we will know before the end of this mets series whether they are in or out and it looks like they will be out.

btw great atbat by burrell in the nineth. sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm play dellucci every fucking day

ryan howard is turning into the david ortiz of the nl with his clutch performances. he has his average over .290 and if he gets it to over .300 you might be looking at a potential mvp candidate

Too bad for Howard plays for te Phillies if he plays on a contending otherwise he would already be a candidate for a MVP award . If the Phillies make the playoffs then he is either 1st or 2nd for the award.

I'am still Fucking miserable for that loss . I'am so fucking pissed at Pat Burrell i's beyond words . I don't care if you get a prospect for him or not just trade him and anybody that disagrees with me could go fuck themselves about Burrell.

The only way I will feel better is if the Phillies sweep the Mets which is probably not happening so I will be a miserable fuck for the rest of the week .

I'am still miserable infact it hurts more today
:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:
:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:
:icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry: :icon_cry:

domelogic

08-14-2006, 04:25 PM

The only way I will feel better is if the Phillies sweep the Mets which is probably not happening so I will be a miserable fuck for the rest of the week .

not likely my friend as i have tickets to the thursday game and i havent seen them win yet at the new park.

Kyle

08-14-2006, 04:36 PM

That last series was pretty depressing but you've got to remember they still get a ton of soft teams done the stretch.

Making up four games isn't too difficult.

Why, even ol' Howard Eskin was saying he believed they've be in it until late September today. And you're hard pressed to find anyone that hates the Phillies more than he does.

ProfessorAnt

08-14-2006, 05:16 PM

After Lieberthal gets the record he can freaking retire already.

HISTORY IN THE MAKING: Mike Lieberthal has caught 1,122 games in his career all with the Phillies He needs to appear at catcher in 2 more games to tie Red Dooin for the club’s all time lead (1,124) Including this year, Lieberthal has been the team’s regular catcher in 9 of his 11+ seasons with the Phillies. He holds the club record with 10 straight seasons as the Phillies Opening Day catcher (1997-2006). Last year, he became just the second catcher in Phillies history to reach 1,000 hits (joining Jack Clements, 1884-1897).

MilkmanDan

08-14-2006, 11:19 PM

Chalk up one ass to mouth embarrassment to NY tonight for the fightuns.
13-0

Aizazzle

08-15-2006, 02:34 PM

I'am excited about the game tonight seeing the one game I missed the Fucking mets got their bats shoved up their ass by Hamels :action-sm

Anyway I'am still miserable about the Reds series and w/o a sweep of the Fucking Mets that is not going to change.

I hope Howard Fucking destroys the Mets this series and shows that Cocksucking Dadfucker who wrote him a letter saying he will cripple him.

Just 14.0 games behind these Motherfuckers

ih8Uboo-boo

08-15-2006, 10:16 PM

whoa...

mikeybot

08-16-2006, 10:12 PM

Mets swept, Leiber throws a complete game.
Wow, they look like a real baseball team.
(not getting excited though).

Kyle

08-16-2006, 10:13 PM

One more win tomorrow gets them a four game sweep of the Mets, and back to .500.

Let's go Phils! Hopefully the Reds drop a game tonight. They're up 2-0 right now in St. Louis.

MilkmanDan

08-16-2006, 10:19 PM

Thought both Pitchers were really good tonight, and love the quick game.
Chris Coste, gotta love the 33 year old rookie.

domelogic

08-16-2006, 10:37 PM

Kyle

08-16-2006, 10:43 PM

Well...Mathieson's pitching tomorrow. He's the weak link of the rotation at this point, so the odds aren't great.

Maybe you'll get lucky and the Phils will post a 10 spot in the first few innings.

ProfessorAnt

08-17-2006, 12:38 PM

The bandwagon is starting up and its ready to roll. I'll be the first one on and I'm not getting off until we beat the fucking Braves. That's all I want this year. Next year, we'll talk.

i said it before the season and i'm sticking to it. the wild card would be icing on the cake. i'm still driving the bandwagon all the way to the last game of the season...go PHIILS.

Aizazzle

08-17-2006, 02:16 PM

sorry guys the sweep aint gonna happen. not with my luck anyway. i certainly hope i break my losing streak tomorrow.

it is nice to see the phils put some runs up early especially with the great starting pitching they have gotten the last 3 games.

please oh please i beg to see just one win at the new park

I hope for your sake and every other REAL Phillies fans that it happens sweeping the so-called best team in NL would be great .

I will remember you while I watch the game and hope the Phillies win (No Homo)

Aizazzle

08-17-2006, 05:50 PM

Sorry for Double Posting:icon_cry: but I have to get my rage out on Burrell that Cocksucker Dadfucker.

P Burrell, LF 4 0 0 0 0
ab R H RBI BB

What a Fuckling disaster this guy is . I mean Jesus try Fucking taking some pitches . I don't mean don't swing at all which he almost always does. Philly fans hate this guy because he doesn't play in the clutch. He doesn't even put the Fucking ball into play . He is not great in the field either . He has no trade value. At this point I don't care man just fucking buy out his contract .

Anyway I could pick on Utley for striking out with the bases loaded but he scored a run he also had two hits . But Burrell didn't do shit . I mean just sit him on the bench like some of the other games in this Mets series then maybe he won't veto a trade if there is a team that's dumb enough to take him .

Anyway the Phillies just wasted an oppurtuinty to be .500 again. I'am so pissed again . First I was miserable about the Reds series and now that anger kinda went away with Phils winning 3 out of 4 . But No I gotta feel pissed at Burrell .

Anyway Domelogic man I feel bad for ya

I also hope Burrell gets mouthraped by Blacks and Domincans