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MilitantRabbit
02-20-2006, 10:36 AM
Here's something I stumbled on:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-02-19-satellite-radio_x.htm?POE=TECISVA
I made one note in bold.
Satellite-radio rivals mine new revenue streams
By Laura Petrecca, USA TODAY
Howard Stern vs. Opie & Anthony. Martha vs. Oprah. Pro football vs. baseball.

Satellite-radio rivals Sirius (SIRI)and XM (XMSR) are toe-to-toe on the programming front — each using big-name content to lure more customers. But while subscriber growth is vital to each firm's survival, they also are facing off in other arenas where they see potential dollar signs to add revenue to subscription fees. (Related: How satellite-radio rivals XM, Sirius compare)

Sirius and XM each said in earnings calls last week that they're mining new revenue streams to augment the monthly fees they get from subscribers. Ad sales, weather and other data distribution and selling music content through devices such as cellphones aren't bringing in big bucks yet, but with both companies still deep in the red, every cash opportunity counts.

Last week, XM and Sirius both posted broad fourth-quarter losses and disclosed sky-high subscriber acquisition and programming costs. XM, which has more than 6 million subscribers, ended the quarter with a loss of $268 million. Sirius, which has more than 3 million subscribers, posted a $311 million loss for the same period. (Full story). Both say they are mostly done with big programming deals, are watching costs and promise operational profits by the close of 2006.

Each still is relying mainly on subscriber growth to get into the black. For 2005, XM's subscriber revenue accounted for $503 million of its total $558 million in revenue. Sirius got $224 million of $242 million in revenue from subscribers.

But the satellite giants also are diversifying.

"We're still in the very beginning of a new service. There's going to be a lot more than just radio (shows)," says Hoefer & Arnett analyst April Horace.

Revenue sources the companies hope to exploit:

•Ad sales. While XM and Sirius offer commercial-free music channels, they're also ramping up ad sales for talk, news and sports stations.

Selling more ad time is a natural progression as each company creates channels around celebrities, such as Sirius' Stern deal and XM's Oprah Winfrey pact. For 2005, ad sales contributed about 2% of revenue for Sirius, about 3.5% for XM.

In a conference call on earnings on Friday, CEO Mel Karmazin said Sirius "will continue to expand our sales staff in 2006 as advertising will be an important part of our business." And that'll be your downfall, ass. Making your non-music channels ad-ridden will make people not listen. Stop working like you've been for the past 20 years and stop selling ads, and your company may have a compelling product.

He said he expects ad sales to approach 10% of revenue within the next couple of years. So far in 2006, Sirius has booked more than $6 million in ad revenue — already topping its take for full-year 2005.

Kagan Research predicts that combined ad revenue for XM and Sirius will reach $945 million by 2015.

•Data service sales. XM and Sirius are both offering non-entertainment data via their satellites.

XM has been particularly aggressive. It now serves up, for example, local traffic information — such as warnings about construction congestion and accidents — through navigation screens installed on some new cars as well as on higher-end XM radio receivers.

XM is developing a service to provide maps of available parking spaces in lots across the country.

XMWX offers weather data, mainly for boaters and pilots, through separate devices just for those services.

XM has about 19,000 subscribers willing to pay extra for these data services. XMWX costs $30 a month for basic service and $50 for a premium service. The traffic service alone costs $10 a month, $4 when bundled with an XM satellite-radio subscription.

Sirius said earlier this month that it would launch an in-flight weather data service and a marine service, as well. No prices have been announced.

"It's those kinds of data services that are in their early stages but have opportunities for both companies to increase their (average revenue per user) beyond the core subscriber base," Horace says.

•Selling content through non-radio channels. In September, Sirius signed a deal with Sprint to provide mobile-phone users with access to 20 of its music channels for $6.95 month. Sirius will gain revenue — the companies have not disclosed financial details.

For its part, XM offers a music-distribution product for non-subscribers to get its services via its website for $6.95 a month. It also is seeking revenue through content deals with third parties. Last year, it announced that it would partner with AOL to launch a co-branded music service online. It also distributes more than 25 of its audio channels on DirecTV.

jpc165
02-20-2006, 10:52 AM
Howard Stern vs. Opie & Anthony. Martha vs. Oprah. Pro football vs. baseball.


http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2006/02/20/inside-satellite-battle.jpg


That first sentence and the pic on the front must drive hoo hoo mad!! haha

WyldeBill
02-20-2006, 11:44 AM
The fact that they have hoo-hoo vs. the boys must enrage him..ha-ha, cocksucker.

FlatoutChad518
02-20-2006, 12:19 PM
LOL @ Sirius loss compared to subscribers.

Don West
02-20-2006, 12:49 PM
XM is developing a service to provide maps of available parking spaces in lots across the country.
That would be pretty sick. How could they pull that off?

bushleaguer
02-20-2006, 01:20 PM
While I do see the competition between O&A and hoo-hoo, I don't see the war being won based on it. What will cause either satellite entity to triumph over the other is total content and hardware. As it stands now, XM is killing Sirius in regards to hardware. Oprah (no, I'm not a big fan, but a lot of people are) was a big (no pun intended) catch for XM. She has legions of fans who will read what she says, buy what she says, and so on. If she plugs XM a lot on her show, XM sales will get a huge boost.

If I read the article right and Sirius is running ads on what is supposed to be an ad-free service, then they are going to literally f##k themselves. No one is going to pay for a premium service and then put up with commercials.

nothoohoo
02-20-2006, 02:23 PM
Xm lost around 44$ per sub while sirius lost arpond 105$ sirius is fucked xm got bigger contracts and here come the subs. i think no more losses after 2006

Chester'sLiver
02-20-2006, 02:24 PM
I love how it spinned that XM is the one in trouble, when Sirius lost more money. They are the ones in a sinking ship.

kloraferm
02-20-2006, 02:45 PM
I love how it spinned that XM is the one in trouble, when Sirius lost more money. They are the ones in a sinking ship.
Ah revisionist history.

Old_Gravyleg
02-20-2006, 03:05 PM
I love how it spinned that XM is the one in trouble, when Sirius lost more money. They are the ones in a sinking ship.


Sorry dude but if you have money invested in XM the loss was huge. I have 5k in at 30 and took a fat load on the face. So stop it with not being fair on both sides. Both companies ate there own balls this quarter accept it. Don't be a lamb.

Old_Gravyleg
02-20-2006, 03:13 PM
XM loss soars; director quits, warns of "crisis"
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/17/06
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK — XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc.'s losses soared in the fourth quarter on higher costs for marketing and acquiring subscribers, and a director quit over disagreements about the company's direction, warning of a looming "crisis."

Investors punished the shares of the Washington, D.C.-based company (XMSR), sending them down $1.27, or 5 percent, to close at $23.98 in very heavy volume Thursday afternoon on the Nasdaq Stock Market. They reached a 52-week low of $22.94 earlier in the day.

Of particular concern to investors was the unexpected departure of Pierce J. Roberts Jr. from XM's board of directors, who said in his resignation letter that he was "troubled" by the company's current path.

"Given current course and speed there is, in my view, a significant chance of a crisis on the horizon," Roberts wrote in the letter, which the company disclosed in a regulatory filing. "Even absent a crisis, I believe that XM will inevitably serve its shareholders poorly without major changes now."

Roberts didn't go into detail about his concerns in the letter, and a representative said he was declining to comment. However, the company said in a statement accompanying the letter that Roberts had been pressing for tighter cost controls, a position the company and other directors disagreed with, favoring instead efforts to continue XM's rapid growth of subscribers.

Chester'sLiver
02-20-2006, 03:15 PM
Sorry dude but if you have money invested in XM the loss was huge. I have 5k in at 30 and took a fat load on the face. So stop it with not being fair on both sides. Both companies ate there own balls this quarter accept it. Don't be a lamb.
Uh I wasn't. I know both companies had a bad quarter, but all I said was that the guys on Sirius and the zombies were the ones acting like Sirius had this huge gain on XM. Which they didn't.

fewtoomany
02-20-2006, 03:20 PM
Both companies are in the red and probably will be for a while, there will be a day when both are profitable so sit on those stocks and wait.

Iron Duke
02-20-2006, 06:00 PM
Here's a thought. What kind of shape do you think Sirius will be after the hoo hoo five year deal is up. Personlly I don't think he's going to re-up.

Tommy Ceez
02-20-2006, 07:32 PM
That would be pretty sick. How could they pull that off?
Im assuming that certian large parking lots would be on a network reporting to the Traffic Pulse system...since real lots now swipe a ticket on entry and exit, the computer would update Traffic Pulse with # of available spots and the Navi/Traffic system could color code lots by how full they are (green, yellow, red)

Tommy Ceez
02-20-2006, 07:32 PM
Here's a thought. What kind of shape do you think Sirius will be after the hoo hoo five year deal is up. Personlly I don't think he's going to re-up.
Hoo Hoo, the NFL, I believe Marth and BOTH Sirius sattelites all have to be re-upped within the same year!

Borderline
02-20-2006, 07:54 PM
I personally would LOVE to hear more advertising on XM. And by more, I mean more variety. (No, I have no idea where to get startup money, and I don't even have a ba-ba-brother, so I must be screwed!)

I also read somewhere that XM is going to (or already is) transmitting traffic data for GPS units. That would be awesome if I could get a bluetooth XM unit to send that data directly to my GPS unit. I might even consider paying a little extra every month for the service.

BL

aoy1995
02-20-2006, 08:01 PM
I personally would LOVE to hear more advertising on XM. And by more, I mean more variety. (No, I have no idea where to get startup money, and I don't even have a ba-ba-brother, so I must be screwed!)

I also read somewhere that XM is going to (or already is) transmitting traffic data for GPS units. That would be awesome if I could get a bluetooth XM unit to send that data directly to my GPS unit. I might even consider paying a little extra every month for the service.

BL

Hey Julie!

Jim McGreedy
02-20-2006, 08:03 PM
Technology is the key for XM. If they stay as far ahead as they have it will be no contest within five years, with or without Wiggy and his hole Piggy.

KillaFama
02-20-2006, 08:04 PM
Sorry dude but if you have money invested in XM the loss was huge. I have 5k in at 30 and took a fat load on the face. So stop it with not being fair on both sides. Both companies ate there own balls this quarter accept it. Don't be a lamb.

You either got hosed by a broker or you made the brain dead move on your own.... To think $30 a share for XM at this point was a profit taking move would be ridiculous my good man. :action-sm

I would have been with you if you said you bought at $22 and then got greedy and did not dump it in the $30's.

pondscum
02-20-2006, 08:10 PM
sirius has had so many new subs , and it costs money to enable the new subs
that's where they're losing money, just saying

timmykidd2104
02-20-2006, 08:13 PM
sirius has had so many new subs , and it costs money to enable the new subs
that's where they're losing money, just saying

um.. yeah, um... wait... what?

cbearnm
02-21-2006, 03:31 PM
sirius has had so many new subs , and it costs money to enable the new subs that's where they're losing money, just saying

The cost per new subscriber is not from 'activating' the receiver, it is from subsidizing the cost of the receiver. That is calculated as the cost of acquiring subs, in addition to talent, advertising, etc... Funny thing is, XM is STILL adding subs at the same rate or greater than Sirius (except for the Howard blip, little as it was). So using that logic would say that XM should have lost at least as much if not more.

One reason for higher acquisition costs is the subsidy of receiver pricing. Nobody would buy Sirius equipment if they (Sirius) were not buying down the cost much more than XM needs to.

So sure, the latest news was not good economic news, but it was bad for both Sirius and XM. The difference is that Sirius (and Howard) are pretending that they are not in the same boat as XM.

BTW; looking at today's stock prices, I see (as of about 3 pm ET) that XM is rebounding nicely, up $0.42 (+2%) , while Sirius is still trending down, another $0.11 (-2%) and XM has been upgraded (again, to a Buy) by several analysts, including Janco Brothers.

In the end, Howard may be a break even for Sirius. They certainly won't be reaping the bushels of money that they were anticipating when they penned the deal. It all depends on their creative method of counting new subs as being because of Stern. They would not be willing to admit they made a mistake.

By this time, they had anticipated that their sub count would equal XM's and that is just not happening. That's why they made such a big deal out of paying Stern the big stock bonus for 'hitting the numbers'. (Ridiculously low numbers if that's what they really were.) They have to start churning out the lemonade or else watch the share price get down to level of delisting it. (1 share Sirius stock = 1 glass of lemonade) Sirius is just not ready to admit the Stern has not brought the numbers. If they can squeeze another million subs and convince themselves that it is due to Stern, they can make a little on the whole deal and sleep at night, but they are aware of what they are doing.

Motley Fool just posted a nice article that explains the problem with counting on one act (Stern) to fuel their whole marketing strategy. The Stern affect is nearing it's end with new subs. Now they have to figure out their next move.
Sirius' Stern Dilemma (http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/060221/114054772526.html?.v=1)

Gott
02-21-2006, 08:09 PM
Pond scum...interesting thinking...You have the logic of a retarded 5th grader.

Dude
02-21-2006, 08:17 PM
Dear Howie..

If at first you don't succeed, keep sucking, you'll get the seed.

Love opinions, but it all seems obvious..

Alas.. Howie's star has fallen, and now lies beneath the soil, in fragments, somewhere in the desert.

Somebody will always buy it...

I mean, those tourists who also pull over to buy petrified dinosaur crap and pottery on the road...

....

Sjrick
02-22-2006, 01:11 AM
I actually listen to both shows every day and I have to admit, im in the best of both worlds, I love both shows and cant wait to hear the Ramone calls and the Grrrr calls come in just to see how Howard handles it.

It does get a lil old hearing the bbboys complain about Howard but it will be interesting to hear the calls come in. Howard doesn't take a lot of calls,, usually during Robins news unless he has to leave for a meeting or whatever, but not normally a lot during the show. So im hoping to hear some of the pests.

One thing the pests do have is an incredible sence of humor over Howards audience.I cant tell you how much they make me laugh harder the the boys at times. I know every facet of both shows and like I said i do enjoy them both. And when the two worlds collide i get to reap the benefits

vcdburn
02-22-2006, 08:01 AM
For XM it would be easy...they only need to look for one open space, where Sirius would need to look for two, one for the car and one for the unit.

pinkertonfloyd
02-22-2006, 08:03 PM
XM Satellite Janco Partners upgrades Accumulate to Buy. Target $36. Firm upgrades following earnings release. The firm says while XM may have tarnished its image of strict financial discipline, they expect the co will revert to its old ways of growth at a reasonable price. They expect that XM will demonstrate strong cost controls in 2006, setting the stage to turn free cash flow positive in 2007.

Briefing.com is the leading Internet provider of live market analysis for U.S. Stock, U.S. Bond, and world FX market participants.


Released Today BTW... after that horrible report...

jpc165
02-22-2006, 08:12 PM
http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2006/02/20/inside-satellite-battle.jpg


That first sentence and the pic on the front must drive hoo hoo mad!! haha


Haha hoo hoo cant take it. its terrific.!!!!!!!!!

patbattle29
02-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Hooooo HOOOO Robin look at my Poodle wig....