Raw 2/20

[Kyle]

Preview off WWE.com says:

-Triple H vs. Big Show vs. Rob Van Dam for the main event at Wrestlemania
-Ric Flair vs. Shelton Benjamin for the IC Title
-Mick Foley will confront Edge
-Another WWE Hall of Fame inductee will be announced (my guess is Eddie Guerrero)

[Sutsu]

HHH wins the triple threat. Edge and Foley gets set up for Mania (or at least the next ppv). RVD goes back to being cannon fodder for cheap good matches that don't push his career anywhere. Hopefully Shelton's momma will have a big fat embolysm or something and dies on stage.

[InternetStalker]

I think Shelton wins the IC title tonight.

[Moneysnatch25]

yeah Shelton wins and I think the Road Warriors are getting inducted tonite.. I think it's too soon for Eddie. Eddie before Owen? eh, not good shit.

[ratedRsuperstar]

wishful thinking here. if shelton gets the IC belt, while expressing joy for her "son" that fat bitch actually goes into cardiac arrest prompting either that owen-falling-quick camera turn, lita-tit-blackout or long commercial break. however that would be played out it's a winner to get that hole off the program. anyone else find it ironic that she's always knitting? HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH Y'ALL!

[Baby Evil]

I love how we all KNOW it is a foregone conclusion that Triple H wins. Triple H winning this match is the worst kept secret since Liberace came out of the closet.

How about the extra hall-of-fame entrant being announced is Shawn Michaels as incentive to retire? Of course it will be a work to build up the animosity between the showstopper and Vince.

The betting isn't on Shelton Benjamin winning, but rather how long will take for Ric Flair to bleed!

[ratedRsuperstar]

wtf?! pat battle mode?!

[ratedRsuperstar]

boy. i wonder who's gonna win this (opie "who saw that comin?" voice)

[ratedRsuperstar]

oh shit! there's a monster rain sign in the crowd! on the regular ring shot by the rail in the background

[ratedRsuperstar]

well... i was wrong about that outcome. do they really gotta promote playboy?

[Baby Evil]

This is sucking very early

[ratedRsuperstar]

toots! edge cumia everyone!











nothin?

[Douchebag Listener]

Haha! Just saw a "Monster Rain" sign.

Edit: Oops, looks like I'm a little late on that one.

[ratedRsuperstar]

This is sucking very early

wrestling was so much better before the net leaked everything 6 months prior to it happening..... but i was like 12 then so that may have been a key factor. oh boy, hacksaw

[ratedRsuperstar]

Haha! Just saw a "Monster Rain" sign.

Edit: Oops, looks like I'm a little late on that one.

that's right! recognize! hoo hoo hoo

[Jimmysescort]

Oddly Hacksaw looks pretty much the same.

[UP TOP]

Props to whoever was able to get the Monster Rain through. And I could be wrong, but I think to the right of the person holding the Monster Rain sign there's a white sign with "Happy Birthday Lil' Jimmy" on it.

On a side note.....did anyone notice how bad it looked when Ashley's (I think it was her) leg hit the ground? Looked like a compound fracture, and a shit load of people rushed out there afterwards.

[Jimmysescort]

Edge won? Shocking!

[Baby Evil]

wrestling was so much better before the net leaked everything 6 months prior to it happening..... but i was like 12 then so that may have been a key factor. oh boy, hacksaw

Even though wrestling sucks compared to like 10 years ago think about the brillance of Vince McMahon.

He gets a network to PAY him to run his 2 hour weekly commercials interspersed with some hour shows that he is paid for as well. Just to run his commercial for his pay-per-views.

[FAngel]

I like the old-fashioned promo w/ Big Show. Simple and effective.

[ratedRsuperstar]

new avatar. represent!

[Baby Evil]

new avatar. represent!
:clap: :clap:

[Nimrod]

Lita looked like she sprayed way too much of that fake tan stuff on her

[CM Mark]

you know, if I still watched RAW, I would not be able to watch my new favourite show. [40's guy] Diggeing for the Truth! Only, on the history channel![40's guy]

Seriously though, it reaqlly is a great show. RIght now it is looking for the lost colony of Roanoke Island

[Nimrod]

I just spotted the Monster Rain sign. Nice

[CM Mark]

I just spotted the Monster Rain sign. Nice
can anyone get a screen cap of it?

[ratedRsuperstar]

can anyone get a screen cap of it?

i requested it in the pshop thread as soon as i saw it.

[CM Mark]

ok, I gave in. I turned RAW on and am watching the Benjamin/Flair match. saw it loud and clear. Now I can't fucking change the channel
edit: Finally, changed the channel. gotta finish watching Digging for the Truth

[FAngel]

ok, I gave in. I turned RAW on and am watching the Benjamin/Flair match. saw it loud and clear. Now I can't fucking change the channel

At least you actually kept to your word for a while, unlike every smark who says "I'm never watching WWE again!" at the same time every week.

[CM Mark]

At least you actually kept to your word for a while, unlike every smark who says "I'm never watching WWE again!" at the same time every week.
Not watching anymore. :icon_lol: I just watched until I saw the Monstr Rain sign.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Anyone watching the Raw Unlimited feed? Flair did a nice long strut, humped the air a few times in front of Shelton's Momma's face, then gave her a good Woooo!

[ratedRsuperstar]

ok, I gave in. I turned RAW on and am watching the Benjamin/Flair match. saw it loud and clear. Now I can't fucking change the channel
edit: Finally, changed the channel. gotta finish watching Digging for the Truth

i'm watchin digging for the truth now. it stinks. that's not 40's guy, more like the badboy of voice overs if you know what i mean

[FAngel]

Anybody here playing the WWE Fantasy game? It makes the most boring and meaningless matches a lot more fun.

[Baby Evil]

you know, if I still watched RAW, I would not be able to watch my new favourite show. [40's guy] Diggeing for the Truth! Only, on the history channel![40's guy]

Seriously though, it reaqlly is a great show. RIght now it is looking for the lost colony of Roanoke Island

What are they digging for? Jews, Nazis, or Japs? Almost as predictable as RAW don't you think?

[CM Mark]

i'm watchin digging for the truth now. it stinks. that's not 40's guy, more like the badboy of voice overs if you know what i mean
i know, but if you remember, Anthony cut a promo for DIgging for the Truth and used the 40's guy voice.



Oh, and sigh, I gave in. I'm watching RAW right now. FUck.

[CM Mark]

What are they digging for? Jews, Nazis, or Japs? Almost as predictable as RAW don't you think?
actually, I think that was a record. No Hitler references in the entire show. They were tracking the Lost COlony of Roanoke Island. and they think they found a living relative of the colonists, which would mean that they survived somehow.

[ratedRsuperstar]

this is gettin really fuckin old. robin quivers has single handedly ruined this match

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Schwoogie + oxygen cannister + T-Bone = NEW IC Champ

thank fuckin god

wow...for a Professional Wrestler, he was really struggling to wheel that fat monkey up the ramp

[Baby Evil]

Fat Momma could never wear that belt! Well Maybe around her left tit, or as an ankle bracelet.

[ratedRsuperstar]

actually, I think that was a record. No Hitler references in the entire show. They were tracking the Lost COlony of Roanoke Island. and they think they found a living relative of the colonists, which would mean that they survived somehow.

jeeb jeeb jeeb. no nazis = no watchy

[ratedRsuperstar]

Fat Momma could never wear that belt! Well Maybe around her left tit, or as an ankle bracelet.
sure she could... as an anklet, well um, canklet
she needs to where a noose or a german shepherd. HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH Y'ALL!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

jeeb jeeb jeeb. no nazis = no watchy
haha, I laugh because it's so true

Stacy is so farkin hot...that ass shake was unreal

sweet, now they go from amazing hotness to amazing gayness

[Baby Evil]

Trampoline = Queerness

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Johnny, Mikey, Faggy, and HIV-y

honestly, I thought the trampoline was pretty cool

[CM Mark]

Why? Why didn't I turn it off after the Flair/Benjamin match? WHy did I keep watching?


Why am I watching the HIV Squad?

[Baby Evil]

Shawn Michaels is getting gang *****!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Marty MOTHERFUCKING Janetty?!?!?!??!?!?!?????

Has he ever gotten even with him for this?

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5708/hbkvsjanettywindowtoss6qq.gif

[FAngel]

I guess Marty didn't crash his car on the way to the show this time around.

[Mooseman]

Marty Janetty???? Holy shit!!

[Baby Evil]

Where is the pane of glass?

[CM Mark]

NICE!!!! The mother fuckin Rockers!

[FAngel]

Who the hell decided on Peter Gabriel for the Wrestlemania theme music, especially after having Disturbed as the Royal Rumble music?

I can't wait for Poison to sing "America the Beautiful."

[Mooseman]

Wait what year is it? Hacksaw, Flair, Janetty, Peter Gabriel....omg we've slipped back into the 90's

[Baby Evil]

Who the hell decided on Peter Gabriel for the Wrestlemania theme music, especially after having Disturbed as the Royal Rumble music?

I can't wait for Poison to sing "America the Beautiful."

Well Winger and Skid Row were busy, and the original members of Genesis said that the only person sane enough to work Peter now was Peter...so there you go.

The important question is whether or not Motorhead will perform HHH's theme song for the 4,293 rd Wrestlemania in a row.

[FAngel]

Carlito RULES. Trash talking and beating the hell out of a jobber = gold.

[CM Mark]

Where is the pane of glass?
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/aodific/Martywindow.jpg

[FAngel]

.........money in the bank? Again?

Raw has my interest now.

[Baby Evil]

Wait what year is it? Hacksaw, Flair, Janetty, Peter Gabriel....omg we've slipped back into the 90's

That would be 1986 sir :action-sm

[Mooseman]

Money in the bank? I like the pissed off Carlito

[Baby Evil]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/aodific/Martywindow.jpg

That is why you are the man.

[Baby Evil]

Cool! Money in the bank. Carlito gets a shot at being a transitional champion.

[Mooseman]

That would be 1986 sir :action-sm
Thank you sir :clap:

[Jimmy's Dignity]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/aodific/Martywindow.jpg
my pane of glass is more gooder.....it has motion (on page 2)

hahah...Matt Stryker just taught me something. GQ apparently stands for Gentleman's Quarterly and he is in it

[CM Mark]

Ha!

[Kyle]

Eddie in the hall...maybe they'll finally put him to rest now

[Mooseman]

Eddie?? I mean come on. Yea he was great, but do you think we can milk his death for a little longer. What about Owen?

[FAngel]

I don't like the exploitation that's been happening, but I'd rather they put Eddie in the Hall of Fame now than in 5 years, when his death becomes just another statistic. Which it will.

[Baby Evil]

What BULLSHIT? What about the dead members of the Hart family, Rick Rude, and Curt Hennig.

[Mooseman]

Eddie in the hall...maybe they'll finally put him to rest now
Let's hope so. Let the man rest in peace.

[Kyle]

This show started off terrible but is getting progressively better...Shelton wins the IC title, Marty fucking Jannety shows up out of nowhere...an RVD upset would be a nice way to cap it off...of course, his seed isn't in the boss's daughter's uterus.

[CM Mark]

Oh, and just to be a dick, I should post this picture
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/aodific/JesusGotPwned.jpg

[Jimmy's Dignity]

hahahahaha....Marty, here have a full-time and real job. You have to fuck HBK to get it :icon_eek:

haha, and he brings back the "Kiss My Ass" Club....what are the odds on him doing it?

[FAngel]

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Kiss Vince's Ass, Marty!

[Kyle]

I smell swerve on this Marty Jannety contract. He signs it then beats the shit out of Shawn...Marty vs. Shawn for WM22 with Vince in Marty's corner. Better than Vince vs. Shawn.

[CM Mark]

ok, so who is gonna start the "Wil Marty Kiss Vince's Ass Speculation Thread?

[FAngel]

I smell swerve on this Marty Jannety contract. He signs it then beats the shit out of Shawn...Marty vs. Shawn for WM22 with Vince in Marty's corner. Better than Vince vs. Shawn.

I like it, sir. I like it a lot. If anybody saw Marty during his match with Kurt Angle last year before Wrestlemania, you know he's still got the stuff.

[CM Mark]

I smell swerve on this Marty Jannety contract. He signs it then beats the shit out of Shawn...Marty vs. Shawn for WM22 with Vince in Marty's corner. Better than Vince vs. Shawn.
Only if Brutus the Barber Beefcake is in Shawn's corner.

[Mooseman]

Ok I missed what Vince said. Had to answer the phone. Anyone want to fill me in?

[Baby Evil]

This show started off terrible but is getting progressively better...Shelton wins the IC title, Marty fucking Jannety shows up out of nowhere...an RVD upset would be a nice way to cap it off...of course, his seed isn't in the boss's daughter's uterus.

I still think that it is a work that she is pregnant. I mean how do you get pregnant from anal sex? Maybe it ran out of her ass into her cunt....that is the only possible way that works.

[Baby Evil]

Only if Brutus the Barber Beefcake is in Shawn's corner.

Jake "The Snake" Roberts can be there as special referee. Vince will pay him in crack.

[CM Mark]

Ok I missed what Vince said. Had to answer the phone. Anyone want to fill me in?
Next week, celebration sex. HBK and Marty Jannetty. We will finally see why they were called The ROckers

[CM Mark]

Jake "The Snake" Roberts can be there as special referee. Vince will pay him in crack.
Only if Rick "The Model" Martel is also a ref. And they are both Blindfolded after being sprayed in the face by Arrogance.

[domelogic]

Ok I missed what Vince said. Had to answer the phone. Anyone want to fill me in?

he is bringing back the kiss my ass club. that is the best club ever invented.

[Mooseman]

he is bringing back the kiss my ass club. that is the best club ever invented.
Awesome.

[FAngel]

I still think it's so damn cool to hear Joey Styles calling Rob Van Dam matches again.

[Kyle]

I watched that Hogan/Andre match they just showed a few weeks ago. It's hard to see why it was such a big deal nowadays because it's so terrible, but Vince was a promoting machine back then. By the way, Savage/Steamboat from that same card rules...one of the best matches in Wrestlemania ever...speaking of which, when is Savage getting in the HOF?

[CM Mark]

Well, here goes nothing, and by nothing I mean HHH to Wrestlemania

[Kyle]

Well, unless Triple H dies tonight, this is a foregone conclusion...and even if he does die, Big Show would just fall down, drag HHH's arm over top of him, and Hunter's corpse would headline Wrestlemania.

[ratedRsuperstar]

Only if Rick "The Model" Martel is also a ref. And they are both Blindfolded after being sprayed in the face by Arrogance.
goddamn! that's the line of the night1:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Jimmy's Dignity]

RVD chants = more gooder

[FAngel]

I watched that Hogan/Andre match they just showed a few weeks ago. It's hard to see why it was such a big deal nowadays because it's so terrible, but Vince was a promoting machine back then. By the way, Savage/Steamboat from that same card rules...one of the best matches in Wrestlemania ever...speaking of which, when is Savage getting in the HOF?

Even if he were considered, I doubt Savage would associate with WWE if they're still on friendly terms with Hogan. Those two...well, they don't see eye to eye.

And you're right about Andre/Hogan - it really was an awful match, but it didn't matter at the time. Andre was the biggest (no pun) monster in all of wrestling, and seeing Hogan slam him managed to make Hogan even bigger.

[FAngel]

By the way, for any indy fed fans, that was Fred Sampson and Scotty Charisma in the front row where Big Show and RVD were fighting.

[Baby Evil]

Well, unless Triple H dies tonight, this is a foregone conclusion...and even if he does die, Big Show would just fall down, drag HHH's arm over top of him, and Hunter's corpse would headline Wrestlemania.

HHH's corpse might get more over than Cena. His corpse will probably be able to work better.

[Baby Evil]

Talking about great wrestling matches, I have always been of fan of Mankind v. Undertaker Hell in the Cell. When I watched that I couldn't believe that match.

[ratedRsuperstar]

ultimate warrior?

[FAngel]

Holy SHIT those kicks looked stiff.

[Kyle]

Those two...well, they don't see eye to eye.


Hulk Hogan, Hollywood Hulkster, whatever they call you
I'm coming after you coward

Hot diggity damn Hulk you set it off
Used to be hard, Hulk
Now you done turned soft
Doin' telephone commercials I seen ya
Dancin' in tights as a ballerina
I knew all along you had those tendencies
Cause you been runnin' from Macho like I got a disease
Dude, please, your PPV event was a joke
You're avoiding Randy Savage cause ya know you'll get smoked
Come on, you'll phony fight The Rock
But when they tell us we'll do a real fight you passed
I called him out, thought the punk was here and to go
It was a charity event but The Hulk didn't show
Hollywood Hulkster, you're at the end of your rope
And I'm gonna kick you in the butt and wash your mouth out with soap
Cause, like Rodney Dangerfield he gets no respect
Come on Hulk, let's wreck, so I can put you in check

Be A Man, Hulk
Come on, don't be scared
You're running from Macho that's what I heard

Even after that, he still deserves to be considered...he was the best WWF in-ring wrestler of the 80s.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

RVD's kicks there were fuckin awesome...I'm hoping to hell that Steph is due come March and HHH just can't make it to Wrestlemania

[ratedRsuperstar]

demolition?

[ratedRsuperstar]

i wanna see a van daminator or preferably a van terminator

[Jimmy's Dignity]

damnit, I thought RVD was going to have a great shot to win this...then King had to go and curse him by saying "I think he's going to win!"

[ratedRsuperstar]

a chokeslam on top of hhh and a double pin would've rocked

[FAngel]

Damn, this is intense!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

YES!!! I'm definately markin out here...I thought it was done after the chairshot

[ratedRsuperstar]

helluva a 5star!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Fuck You HHH

this could lead into a good RVD/HHH feud though...that would be a huge bright spot

Maybe they'll have a Wrestlemania with Triple Threats for both titles....I hope to shit


oh eat my ass with a spoon Cena, you're a fuckbag

[FAngel]

Oh, Hunter, you WHORE. That was close.

[Kyle]

Fuck!

[ratedRsuperstar]

who saw that coming? (opie voice)

[CM Mark]

It's funny, I knew that was how the match was going to end, but I am still very pissed

[Kyle]

RVD looked like a million bucks in that match, though...now go team with Booker T. again....uh oh, wigger time

[ratedRsuperstar]

Happy Black History Month Y'all!!!

[FAngel]

Bitch about Triple H all you want, but I'm going to cheer my head off when the belt changes hands and reverts back to the non-spinner title.

[CM Mark]

awwww, the golfer wanna be and HHH are gonna kiss

[IDidItAll]

"Razor RAMOOOOOOOOOOONE, get HHH a bucket of dysentary!"

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Only way the ending right there could have been saved would be if RVD had gotten up and hit the Van Daminator on the two of them

[Baby Evil]

nice stare down...I was waiting for a kiss

[Mooseman]

Wow that 5-star was insane! Fuck HHH!!!

[ratedRsuperstar]

i would've prefered edge and hhh at mania, edge go for the spear, get caught in a pedigree...

[CM Mark]

reverts back to the non-spinner title.
Only good part about that

[Baby Evil]

now time for UFC

[Kyle]

Bitch about Triple H all you want, but I'm going to cheer my head off when the belt changes hands and reverts back to the non-spinner title.

Yeah, but you know Cena will win it back...they sell a lot of those spinners

[ratedRsuperstar]

well time to see if curling is on










curling stinks on ice

[Baby Evil]

curling stinks on ice


Even worse on concrete.

NOTHING....

Car Crash

[Sack of Chisels]

Wow, why all the hate for HHH? Just because everyone here wanted RVD to win?

You can say it was a predictable I guess, but you can't say he hasn't worked for this. He's been out of the title picture for almost a year. And as much as you think his backstage politics or whatever make him non deserving, he'll still make a hell of a better champion than Cena, and nobody can deny that.

RVD will get his shot, and he'll definitely be champ someday, but right now they need a proven guy to salvage RAW from months and months of awfulness.

[CM Mark]

RVD will get his shot, and he'll definitely be champ someday, but right now they need a proven guy to salvage RAW from months and months of awfulness.
Okay, two points to this.

1) RVD will not get a shot. I'll tell you exactly why too. Vince didn't create him. RVD was created by himself, and Paul Heyman. The only guys I can think of that won either main title in WWE that weren't WWE creations were Benoit and Eddie.

2) And to contradict my previous point, you say that as if RVD ISN'T proven? To you I say this.

Flush your WWE. Buy some WCW, and go fuck Shelton's mother! :action-sm

[Sack of Chisels]

2) And to contradict my previous point, you say that as if RVD ISN'T proven?

I meant proven as champion that can carry a brand.

Maybe we can get swhoogie in here for some "Booking 101"

But you may be right on your first point. But it's not always the case, there's also Goldberg, and what about guys like Austin, The Rock, Cena, etc who 'created themselves'??.. so you can't really use that as a way of ruling out the possibilty of someone ever getting a title run just because they created their own gimmick or gained their popularity in some other company.

If there was some underlying hatred of Heyman, RVD, or anyone else who has been "held down", they wouldn't be with the company anymore. I'm sure they have big plans for RVD.... well I hope. I'm just saying HHH deserves the belt again at this point in time.

[CM Mark]

I meant proven as champion that can carry a brand.

Maybe we can get swhoogie in here for some "Booking 101"

But you may be right on your first point. But it's not always the case, there's also Goldberg, and what about guys like Austin, The Rock, Cena, etc who 'created themselves'??.. so you can't really use that as a way of ruling out the possibilty of someone ever getting a title run just because they created their own gimmick or gained their popularity in some other company.

If there was some underlying hatred of Heyman, RVD, or anyone else who has been "held down", they wouldn't be with the company anymore. I'm sure they have big plans for RVD.... well I hope. I'm just saying HHH deserves the belt again at this point in time.
Ok, time to do some comprimising here.

Although RVD never held the ECW World Title, don't forget that he was ECW TV champion for 23 months. Which he was never given the World Title because think of it from the promoters POV. You have RVD who is guarenteed to bring people in, and then you can also put another big name match together for the World title to bring in more fans.

Now, to prove my point more, what did Goldberg ever accomplish in WWE? Do I have to remind you of the Goldberg/Golddust back stage segment where Golddust gave Goldberg the wig?

Now, as far as the "created themselves" people, did they really itr? :action-sm Did they really create themselves, or did Vince and the writing team create them?

I really don't have much hate for HHH. I'm just sick of the same people being on the top in WWE. Vince needs to realize that these people will not always be around. They are doing the exact same thing that WCW did before they died. The whole Millionaires Club vs New Blood schtick. Now, I admit that the second half of RAW was watchable tonight, but It wasn't enough to re-hook me.

[Baby Evil]

I meant proven as champion that can carry a brand.

Maybe we can get swhoogie in here for some "Booking 101"

But you may be right on your first point. But it's not always the case, there's also Goldberg, and what about guys like Austin, The Rock, Cena, etc who 'created themselves'??.. so you can't really use that as a way of ruling out the possibilty of someone ever getting a title run just because they created their own gimmick or gained their popularity in some other company.

If there was some underlying hatred of Heyman, RVD, or anyone else who has been "held down", they wouldn't be with the company anymore. I'm sure they have big plans for RVD.... well I hope. I'm just saying HHH deserves the belt again at this point in time.

A proven champion can carry a brand, but HHH isn't tht champion. Some of the lowest ratings ever were achieved during the title reigns of HHH. RVD has been fucked over by the WWE from day one. Why do you for a minute think that HHH will give him a title shot. HHH is the only wrestler that is actively writing angles for himself and others, and no one can tell Stephanie's hubby to do anything different.

WWE wrestling is in a tremendous amount of trouble right now from a creative standpoint. The only things we didn't see coming was the women's winner (SFW!) and the appearance of Marty Jannety. Seriously the major angles and matches included Marty Jannety, Vince, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Big Show, RVD, Shelton Benjamin, Ric Flair, Edge, Mick Foley, and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Remove RVD and Shelton Benjamin, and any of these angles could have happened 8 to 10 years ago. Seriously where is the creativity? The only decent character that have been developed over the last few years that is decent on the mic, and on the mat, is fucking Carlito.

[Kyle]

Wow, why all the hate for HHH? Just because everyone here wanted RVD to win?

You can say it was a predictable I guess, but you can't say he hasn't worked for this. He's been out of the title picture for almost a year. And as much as you think his backstage politics or whatever make him non deserving, he'll still make a hell of a better champion than Cena, and nobody can deny that.

RVD will get his shot, and he'll definitely be champ someday, but right now they need a proven guy to salvage RAW from months and months of awfulness.

It's because it's too fucking predictable. HHH needs to at least go face if he's going to stay in the title hunt. Instead he continually squashes anyone else's push who's a heel on RAW because he's set himself up to be the top one for almost four years now.

Edge should get the top heel spot for a while. He did a great job. But he had to lose so HHH could squash Cena at Wrestlemania.

[Stormrider666]

It's because it's too fucking predictable. HHH needs to at least go face if he's going to stay in the title hunt. Instead he continually squashes anyone else's push who's a heel on RAW because he's set himself up to be the top one for almost four years now.

Edge should get the top heel spot for a while. He did a great job. But he had to lose so HHH could squash Cena at Wrestlemania.
I think that's the overall problem with the WWE, too many heels, not enough faces. The only way Triple HHH ever becomes a face, he has to be off TV like for months and then when he does come back, he is like a face for a hot minute, before turning again. Angle better heel than face. Edge the only way he is becoming a face, is he has to be screwed in a big way. Cena, nobody likes Cena. RVD, as much as like they guy, I don't think he could carry an organization as a top face. The WWE needs someone to be the new face and far as I can tell no one is ready to take that role yet.

[BeltOfScotch]

The WWE needs someone to be the new face and far as I can tell no one is ready to take that role yet.

He's not ready yet but here's your guy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/CarlitoPortrait2.jpg/230px-CarlitoPortrait2.jpg

[CM Mark]

He's not ready yet but here's your guy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/CarlitoPortrait2.jpg/230px-CarlitoPortrait2.jpg
50% agree. Carlito and RVD should be the top faces, and in my humble opinion, I think Carlito is ready. But obviously, The McMahons don't think so

but 100% agree that it will be only Carlito

[BeltOfScotch]

I'd like to see RVD given the chance to run with the ball, but I doubt he would ever get it (although the reactions to him Monday night were great) and I'm not 100% sold that he could be the top guy.

And yeah, while it depends on how they turn him and when it's done, I really think that when Carlito turns face he will be absolutely huge. The only reason why I say he's not ready yet is I think he needs some more time in the ring to be able to work 20-25 minute main event matches.

[Chino Kapone]

rvd's mic skills really lack while carlito's are pretty good. rvd is great but he is just to mellow, and doesnt seem to have the depth as a character like carlito does. it just seems like carlito should be fighting for the IC belt rather than the wigger belt right now.

[Kyle]

rvd's mic skills really lack while carlito's are pretty good. rvd is great but he is just to mellow, and doesnt seem to have the depth as a character like carlito does. it just seems like carlito should be fighting for the IC belt rather than the wigger belt right now.

RVD cut great promos in ECW when he was just thrown in front of a camera and could pretty much say whatever he wanted to. The guy was an arrgoant prick and people loved him because of that.

The problem with him now is pretty common to a lot of WWE guys and has derailed a lot of careers.

WWE has a team of writers who basically write scripts out for these guys and have them memorize it word for word. Add to it the fact that many of the writers have no background in wrestling and guys get promos that don't fit their personality, come across as stupid, or just flat out don't work.

Back when Russo was the head writer, he would just give guys a basic direction he wanted the promo to go in and the wrestlers were pretty much free to do what they want within that framework. Look at all the stars who struggled earlier in their careers who blew up once they were given more control over their characters; Austin, Rock, Mankind, DX including Triple H.

And in Heyman's ECW, he bascially just put the matches together and guys could do whatever they wanted in their promos. And more stars came out of/through ECW in the 90s than pretty much anywhere else.

The way WWE does business hurts a lot of these guys.

[Mooseman]

I think that's the overall problem with the WWE, too many heels, not enough faces. The only way Triple HHH ever becomes a face, he has to be off TV like for months and then when he does come back, he is like a face for a hot minute, before turning again.

HHH was getting huge face pops when he back this last time. That lasted less than an hour then he nailed Flair with the sledge hammer and we were back to the same HHH we've grown to hate.

[BouquetOSeaweed]

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[BouquetOSeaweed]

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[Kugzilla]

I don't think RVD will ever get to hold the RAW belt-I could see him holding the Smackdown belt, as they clearly hold that one in lower esteem.

They question is-does he need the belt? Probably not. Does he deserve and chance to run with the title? I think so.

Will he ever get it-no-he'll be IC champ again, probably this year, but I would not be suprised if the closest RVD gets to the world belt was this past monday's raw. Unfortunately-I think he's really a great worker.

Eventually, Vince is going to have to let some other guys carry the ball for him, but I don't think that he will ever let someone so clearly identified with ECW hold his belt.

Am I the only one who thought the Spirit Squad showed some workrate?

[commish13]

Yeah, it's because the Spirit Squad is comprised of a bunch of wrestlers who individually all have a good amount of talent.