2006 NFL Draft Thread

[weakside]

I am a huge fan of the draft. The NFL Combine is starting this week so it will will be interesting to see who rises and drops in the rankings...

Biggest Surprise of the draft: Mario Williams DE NC State

This guy is a 6'7 monster and has great moves, but for some reason is not ranked that high (pre-combine). Some team is going very happy with him.

Biggest Disappointment: Vince Young QB Texas

Yes, he was a great college QB...but there were a ton of great QB's that never made it in the NFL. The NFL and college are play two totally different games, this is why the option never works in the NFL. Young is a run-first QB with a below average arm. Exciting? Yes, but so is Vick and he has taken his team no where...that is when he is on the field when he is not injured from running around. I know Jet's fans are bumbed out that he will not fall to your team but trust me, you will be better off. Cutler is going to be a better QB prospect.

Team that needs a big-time draft the most: Redskins

The Redskins are going to be in cap-hell in the next three years so they need cheap young tallent now. Good luck bro's.

Safest Pick: D'Brickashaw Ferguson

All indications are this guy is going to be a great one. One scout at the Senior Bowl reported that even when he had an "off" practice he dominated every defender he went against.

Any thoughts, picks, predictions, post them here!

[weakside]

ESPN's Top 32 (No regard to which team is drafting in which position)

This will be the first of many rankings they will have...(nice to see Mario Williams moved up to #3)

1. Matt Leinart, QB, USC -- There are some people who aren't sold on this kid. I'm not one of them. His arm is plenty good enough to make all the throws and he has a feel for the passing game.

2. Reggie Bush, RB, USC -- Explosive backs are worth their weight in gold. This is the next Barry Sanders, a guy who makes you hold your breath every time he touches the ball. At 210 pounds, he's big enough to handle the pounding inside.

3. Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State -- At 6-foot-7, 295 pounds, he's a physical specimen. Think Julius Peppers, only a little bigger. In a league short of pass rushers, he's a wanted commodity.

4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia -- Watch his feet. He dances like a man who is 60 pounds lighter. At 295 pounds, he isn't a bulky tackle but he will gain weight. This is the kind of player you put in at left tackle and forget about the position for 12 years.

5. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis -- A shifty runner who has the explosive ability to rip off long runs. He's short at 5-10, but he's a sturdy runner. He was a consistent star last season even after his team's first three quarterbacks went down.

6. A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State -- He's a tough, hard-nosed player who always seemed to be around the ball at Ohio State. He has good size and he's faster than many would think. He will be a star in the Brian Urlacher mold.

7. Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland -- He came to Maryland as a 220-pound defensive player, but has developed into a premier tight end. He's a little short for the position at 6-3, but he has the speed to get deep. He's a lot like Antonio Gates of the Chargers.

8. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon -- He's a power player who will be a force against the run, yet has the quickness to get penetration for the pass rush. At 6-5, 338 pounds, he's huge. He's another junior who is more than ready to make his mark on the next level.

9. Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt -- If you have doubts about this kid, pop in the tape of his game against Florida last year in Gainesville. He was outstanding. He has prototype size and he has a good arm. He's also cocky, which is what you want in a quarterback. With so many teams needing a quality passer, Cutler will be gone by the top 15.

10. Michael Huff, CB, Texas -- Huff can play both corner and safety, although he played the latter at Texas. Most NFL teams think he can play corner, and there's value at that position. He is a hard hitter who can run. That's a nice combination on the corner.

11. Winston Justice, T, USC -- He sat out the 2004 season for off-the-field troubles, but responded with a heck of a year in 2005. He's another junior who gave up his senior season to enter the draft. He started three years at USC and will be a prototype in the NFL.

12. Vince Young, QB, Texas -- His Rose Bowl performance has his stock soaring. But there are still teams worried about his passing. He has a funky motion and he doesn't have a great arm. It's good, not great. But he is special when it comes to moving outside the pocket. Hard to grade since he's unlike any quarterbacks we've seen.

13. Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa -- At 6-4, 245 pounds, Greenway has the size teams crave from their outside linebackers. He can also run. His ability to run to the football is what the scouts love. This kid will be a solid 10-year starter, who will be appreciated more by his coaches than by the fans.

14. LenDale White, RB, USC -- The "other" back at USC, he's a power runner who can rip off long runs at 237 pounds. White scored 57 touchdowns in three seasons, including 21 last year. He is a good short-yardage runner, but he also has the ability to break long runs. Think Jerome Bettis early in his career.

15. Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech -- He played both safety and corner at Tech, but might be better suited to play safety in the NFL. He's 6-3, 210, which is a big corner. That helps him as a tackler, but his man cover skills will determine where he plays. The feeling here is that he will be a star no matter where he lines up.

16. Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State -- He began his Penn State career at defensive tackle, but moved outside to put his quickness on display. At 6-3, 270 pounds, he is short for a defensive end, but he has great speed off the corner. Having been a tackle, he will also hold up against the run.

17. Darnell Bing, S, USC -- This might seem high based on some lists, but this kid is a big-time player. He can run, he can tackle and he can cover. He will be a great NFL safety. The only thing that held him back in college was injuries.

18. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota -- He has that great ability to make people miss and rip off the long run. I love this kid. He might end up being right up there with Bush and White after a few years. He isn't big at 210, but he's not afraid to stick his nose in when it calls for it. If the Colts land him at the back end of the first round, they'll be thrilled to put him in as the replacement for Edgerrin James.

19. Tye Hill, CB, Clemson -- A former running back, Hill moved to the secondary as a sophomore and has developed into a quality cover corner. He has great man coverage ability, which is why he's moving up this board. NFL teams covet that skill.

20. Broderick Bunkley, DT, Florida State -- This is a kid I really like. He showed up and made plays each week for the Seminoles. At 300 pounds, he isn't a huge tackle, but he's quick and strong. He will move up a lot of boards as we get closer to the draft.

21. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College -- He's a tall (6-7) pass rusher who is still learning the game. He may have his best football in front of him. Pass rushers are hard to find, so he has value. He was hurt some by a not-so-great week at the Senior Bowl, but the talent is there.

22. DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama -- He is smallish at 225 pounds, but he has a knack for getting to the football. The question some scouts will have is whether he can handle the point of attack.

23. Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State -- He heads what isn't a great wide receiver class. At 5-11, he isn't a tall receiver, but he has that deep speed that teams love. He is also a kick returner.

24. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State -- He is a good all-round corner who has good size at 6-1. His speed is good enough that he can excel as a man player, but he also will do a nice job in the run game. Could be higher if he works out well in the next month, clocking a good 40 time.

25. Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan -- He had a great Senior Bowl week, but the scouts wondered where it was all of last year at Ann Arbor. He is 6-4, 335 pounds, which makes him a tough guy to move in the middle. But he doesn’t always play motivated. In the NFL, he will. He's one of those players who will be better on the next level than he was in college. The Senior Bowl is proof of that.

26. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia -- At 6-7, he provides a nice target for the quarterbacks. He doesn't run as well as Davis, which is why he's down here, but he is a capable pass-catching tight end. He also is a quality blocker.

27. Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina -- He is one of those players who always seemed to be around the ball. He showed up a lot. Simpson is rangy and he's also a good tackler. At 23, he's older than some in this draft.

28. Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn -- A massive tackle at 6-9, 335 pounds, McNeil is a power player who could be the prototype right tackle. He has good feet for a man his size, too. He does have a tendency to take plays off.

29. Deuce Lutui, G, USC -- At 6-3, 338 pounds, he is a power player who helped spring White and Bush for all those runs. He can engulf a defender with his size and strength. He played tackle as a junior, but the NFL scouts like him as a guard. He will be a Pro Bowl player at that position in two years.

30. Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA -- Lewis is one of those new-breed tight ends who can get down the field. He isn't fast, but he's quick enough to make plays in the passing game. At 6-6, he presents a heck of a target. He needs to improve as a blocker, though. But what tight end doesn't?

31. Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State -- He has the ability to be a shutdown corner. If he hadn't torn up his knee last year, he'd be near the top of this board. As it is, he has to prove to teams that he is all the way back. If he does, he will move up much higher than this.

32. Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State -- An athletic run-and-chase linebacker who would seem perfect for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers style of defense. At 6-foot tall some will downgrade him, but he's a player.

Just missed: Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State; Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State; Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin; Manny Lawson, DE, N.C. State; Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia; Claude Wroten, DT, LSU; Jon Scott, T, Texas; D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland; Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas.

[badcellphoneguy]

who cares the NY Jets will draft someone and then give up on them in a year or two. fucking shitty organization.

[biga's basement]

Let's hear it for my boy Cutler! Rock on JC the Savior!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

49ers won the coin toss with the Raiders, they officially have the #6 pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2343448

As for Cutler, he's moving up in the mock drafts...over on SI.com they have him going #3 to Tennessee
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/02/16/mock.draft2.part1/index.html

[weakside]

49ers won the coin toss with the Raiders, they officially have the #6 pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2343448

As for Cutler, he's moving up in the mock drafts...over on SI.com they have him going #3 to Tennessee
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/02/16/mock.draft2.part1/index.html


Great move on Tennessee's part. Cutler is going to be a much better QB than young. However, I am not sure why they even want a QB. Almost every chance Volek (their #2 QB) has started he has shined. I think D'Brickashaw Ferguson or Mario Williams would make more sense. (At any rate I just heard a quote from Jeff Fisher and he said he does not appreciate the fact that certain QB's (Read: Vince Young) have decided to not participate in the combine. I think unless something major happens Young is going to drop for sure now.)

SI has D'Brickashaw Ferguson dropping down to the 49'ers...which is crazy but might happen if the Jets are retarded enough to draft Young. The 49'ers want help on the defensive side of the ball bad so I could see them taking A.J. Hawk instead and D'Brickashaw Ferguson falling to the Raiders, which would be outstanding for them because they would then have two of the best young tackles in the NFL.

It is going to be real interesting to see what the Jets do...

[Kid Brock]

Not a very deep WR year. I would be plenty happy if the Bears could grab one of those stud TE's toward the end of the 1st round.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

....if the Jets are retarded enough....
they always have been in the past, I wonder if Mangini & Tannenbaum are going to keep the same ol' Jets = retards equation in tact

I think if the Titans take Cutler, they'll trade Volek to Miami (or someone else who needs a QB) for a 2nd rounder or so. Give him a chance to start for a full season and he's going to show that he can be a stud

[Boratfan]

This seems like a very deep draft with WR being the only exception. I see some really good 2nd round guys who will end up outplaying their first round counterparts. I would love to see the G-Men nail a Jon Scott or Eric Winston in the 2nd round... i know Ernie would trade up if he has the chance to. Luke "Downs Syndrome Toes" Petitgout needs someone going after his job in order to motivate himself.

[weakside]

More evidence against drafting Vince Young:

Work out of the NFL combine is that Young scored a “6” on the Wonderlic (a test that measures intelligence and being able to think under pressure).

21 is the average score. They say anything under a “10” indicates literacy problems. Thus, Young is a little better than half a retard. Not good for a QB who will have to learn an entire NFL playbook.

On a side note, who the fuck is representing this guy? Why is he doing any of these tests? Every time Young shows up for something people are disappointed in his results. His stupid-ass agent is costing him millions.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

he got a 6 on the Wonderlic? That is fucking GHASTLY

[Turtle]

21 is the average score. They say anything under a “10” indicates literacy problems. Thus, Young is a little better than half a retard.
First thing I read today that made me LOL.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

allegedly that 6 that he got on the Wonderlic was in a wrongly administered test...so he retook it and got a 16...still not much better than a windowlicker

Looks like Houston is shopping around the #1 pick...on the Daily Quickie today the guy mentioned the Pats as possible trade candidates. They'e got a few extra draft picks in the 3rd & 4th round of this years draft (from previous trades)...they could package them with their first rounder this year and maybe a veteran or two (or maybe next year's 1st rounder)

Also, looks like the Jets are shopping John Abraham and the Redskins are looking to trade Patrick Ramsey. That could have some big time draft implications, depending on who picks them up and/or what they give up for them

[weakside]

Being a Texans fan I would not mind a trade. The team has so many needs and if they could fill a couple holes then I would be all for it.

However, this has nothing to do with my opinion on Bush whom I believe is going to be a great pro.

[askewcore]

Anyone been watched the NFL Network's coverage of the combine? Ingle Martin from Furman has looked pretty damn impressive for the QBs. Cutler and Croyle still probably look the best. Charlie Whitehurst, Darrell Hackney and Omar Jacobs all looked pretty good in the throwing drills. Marcus Vick ran a 4.49 and a 4.51, nothing too impressive, I didnt see any of his throwing drills, however I saw him doing an interview about stomping the leg of the NC State player and his response was really just "wow, that was awful, i dont know why i did that, i still cringe when i see it" with NFL coaches focusing on character more nowadays, especially with QBs it'll be interesting too see where he goes.

Chad Jackson looks the best of the WRs at the combine, Santonio Holmes isnt working out. Jackson ran his 40 in 4.32, they had it clocked at 4.29 unofficial. That was the fastest 40 time I seen yet. Sinorice Moss ran a 4.35.

[blackout-]

can't wait to see who the browns draft so they can get hurt and be out the entire year again. go kellen winslow! braylon edwards, yeaaa!

[askewcore]

Braylon Edwards is gonna end up to be real good though. Didnt he miss alot of time last season with an arm infection?

[weakside]

Anyone been watched the NFL Network's coverage of the combine?

Yeah, I have been watching it every chance I can. Vicks 40 time was disappointing...even with his character issues he is going to be drafted but he hurt his draft status big time.

Has anyone seen that QB from Grambling (?) who is 6'0 260? Jesus, he is a stout mother-fucker.

Cutler is moving up fast. Jeremy Bloom (the douche-bag Olympic skier) has done enough to perhaps get a chance as a free agent. We will see...

[weakside]

can't wait to see who the browns draft so they can get hurt and be out the entire year again. go kellen winslow! braylon edwards, yeaaa!

Cleveland has a chance to be a surprise team next year. Both of those guys will be back and I like their young QB.

I think they will go Def. this year...maybe OL.

[askewcore]

Has anyone seen that QB from Grambling (?) who is 6'0 260? Jesus, he is a stout mother-fucker.

Bryce Eugune or something I think is his name right? He's a fucking horse. Hackney is a big fella too.

It makes me mad how much that lisping guy on the NFL Net sweats Cutler. He's looking really nice, but that guy, I think he name is Mayock is creaming about his arm strength like its on par with Vick and/or Favre.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I'm jealous of you cocksuckers with the NFL Network. Fucking Cablevision doesn't have it...another reason to loathe the Dolans

I'm looking forward to the draft, that's for certain. I still hate Marcus Vick, he's a douche and we'd be lucky to see him go in the 2nd day...I'll be upset if someone takes him in the first 3 rounds :icon_evil

[askewcore]

I'm jealous of you cocksuckers with the NFL Network. Fucking Cablevision doesn't have it...another reason to loathe the Dolans

I have DirecTV and stupid Cablevision IO....I dont really know why. The Dolans are a bunch of jizzbags.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Leinart scored a 35 on the Wonderlic
Cutler tagged himself a 29, which was administered prior to the combine...I have no idea what the deal with that is...is that how/where Vince scored his initial 6?

[askewcore]

I wanna take the Wonderlic test. What's the maximum you can score on it?

[biga's basement]

as a vandy alum and nashville native, cutler going to the titans would be a dream.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

holy shit...Vernon Davis, the TE from Maryland, is 6'4" 258...he ran a 4.38 40...that's fuckin impressiveI wanna take the Wonderlic test. What's the maximum you can score on it?Maximum score is 50, but there's a short time-limit...I think it's less than 30 minutes

[weakside]

...that lisping guy on the NFL Net ...

Yeah, Mr. Cindy Brady was a poor choice as a Co-host.

[askewcore]

holy shit...Vernon Davis, the TE from Maryland, is 6'4" 258...he ran a 4.38 40.

Davis is a fucking STUD. He might be the best pro prospect in this draft.

[weakside]

holy shit...Vernon Davis, the TE from Maryland, is 6'4" 258...he ran a 4.38 40...that's fuckin impressive

Depending on who was doing the ranking he was already a top 10 pick but a 4.38 40 might push him up higher than that. I know the 49'ers want to draft for Def. in the first round but it might help out their young QB to have a stud TE.

[Fuck Crosby]

holy shit...Vernon Davis, the TE from Maryland, is 6'4" 258...he ran a 4.38 40...that's fuckin impressiveMaximum score is 50, but there's a short time-limit...I think it's less than 30 minutes


It's 12 minutes.

Here's a link to some sample questionshttp://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

[weakside]

Latest draft projection from FOX Sports has Cutler going to the Jets...That is a big jump up for him.

Jets Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt

Cutler has the rare combination of arm strength, toughness and composure to survive playing quarterback for the Jets. While other selections certainly make sense, the tenuous health of Chad Pennington could force the Jets' hand.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

huh...what's funny is that I saw Mel Keiper was calling Cutler for the Lions at like the 8th or 9th pick...I certainly don't think he's lasting that long

[Hoagie]

I'm not sure who the Steelers might pick. Probably depends on who's left. Not that I care. Steelers still have the best position in the draft.

[cleft_pallet]

I see Cutler going to the Titans at #3 ahead of the Jets. V. Young's stock has dropped big time and I see the Jets picking Young up at #4. That is unless one of these teams picks up Culpepper.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I think if the Jets are at 4 and Cutler and Leinart are gone..they're smart and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson. LT's are a lot harder to find than good QB's...

[weakside]

I think if the Jets are at 4 and Cutler and Leinart are gone..they're smart and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson. LT's are a lot harder to find than good QB's...

I could not agree more. If they pick Young they are going to be in sorry shape.

[Boratfan]

I could not agree more. If they pick Young they are going to be in sorry shape.

I completely agree. I'd love to see the Jets take Ferguson and start rebuilding the o-line. I wanna see what Derrick Blaylock can do if he's healthy.

[cleft_pallet]

Rumor has it that the Jets are going to sign Patrick Ramsey. Good luck with that one.:icon_roll They should go after Kitna.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Newest rumor I've heard is New Orleans looking at signing Drew Brees...if that happens, what do they do with the 2nd pick? Trade down stockpile picks? Or do they tell people they're going to take De'Brickashaw Fergason and see what they could get in return?

[askewcore]

I dont think that'll happen. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if Miami doesnt go balls out afer Brees they dont deserve to win anything, ever. New Orleans is probably just putting that out there to see what kind of takers they'll have for the #2.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

49ers traded Brandon Lloyd to the Redskins. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364444) 9ers picked up the 'Skins 3rd round pick this year and 4th rounder next year.

I've got an Off-Season NFL thread going where I'm keeping up to date on who's going where etc

[weakside]

Big changes in the draft with the Saints signing Brees. They will most likely trade out of the second spot. The Jets have been trying to move up with a trade so there is a chance there. Other teams that need a QB include Tenn, Balt, Min, and perhaps Oak and KC (for the future).

[Hoagie]

Big changes in the draft with the Saints signing Brees. They will most likely trade out of the second spot. The Jets have been trying to move up with a trade so there is a chance there. Other teams that need a QB include Tenn, Balt, Min, and perhaps Oak and KC (for the future).I'm not sure about Balitmore believe it or not. Kyle "Rubber Arm" Boller's improved play later in the season may have reestablished Billick's faith in him. And I couldn't be happier about that.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

well here's some picks getting swapped around....Atlanta finally consumates trade with Jets for Abraham...including the Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2378875)

Broncos move up to the 15th pick. Atlanta moves down to the 29th (and picks up a mid-rounder this year and next)...then trade it to the Jets in return for Abraham.

[weakside]

Here is an article from ESPN on the Wonderlic Test...
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The official scores from the Wonderlic Tests taken at the combine were released. As usual, there were some interesting results. Texas QB Vince Young did indeed take the test twice. The league has been tight-lipped regarding his first score, but the higher score of his two attempts was a 15. Young's score was bad, but not the worst of this year's quarterback class. That honor goes to Virginia Tech's Marcus Vick, who scored an 11 on the test and is rumored to be a shit-dick.

A perfect score is 50, and the highest score any player posted in this year's class was a 41 (Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek). The lowest score of this year's class was an eight (Syracuse DE Kader Drame, Alabama ILB Freddie Roach, Louisville DT Montavious Stanley, N.C. State TE T.J. Williams and Oklahoma DC Chijioke Onyenegecha), and the average score of all the quarterbacks was a 24.6.

The Wonderlic Personnel Test (WPT) is a short-form intelligence test that measures players' ability to think on their feet, follow directions and make effective decisions under pressure. While Young and Vick exposed their weaknesses in those areas, other quarterbacks shined. Grambling's Bruce Eugene (41), Montana State's Travis Lulay (37), USC's Matt Leinart (35) and Oregon's Kellen Clemens (35) all posted impressive scores.

Prospects at other positions who excelled include Ohio State OC Nick Mangold (35), Tulsa TE/FB Garrett Mills (35), Oregon LB Keith Ellison (36), Cal-Poly State DE Chris Gocong (36), Cornell OL Kevin Boothe (37), Virginia WR Marques Hagans (37), Stanford DT Babatunde Oshinowo (37) and Boston College OT Jeremy Trueblood (37).

Others didn't fare so well, such as Penn State DC Alan Zemaitis (9), Marshall DC Chris Hawkins (10), Miami DE Javon Nanton (10), South Carolina DS Ko Simpson (10), Central Missouri State WR Delanie Walker (10), Syracuse DE James Wyche (10), LSU WR/RS Skyler Green (11), Tennessee DB Jason Allen (11), Clemson DE Charles Bennett (11), Abilene Christian DB Danieal Manning (12), Texas Tech DS Dwayne Slay (12), South Florida RB Andre Hall (13), Pittsburgh DC Josh Lay (13), UCLA TE Marcedes Lewis (13), Mississippi State RB Jerious Norwood (13) and Tarleton State RB Derrick Ross (13).
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I couldn't help myself with the Vick comment. He is such a tool. (The part about scoring the 11 was true though.)

[askewcore]

You just made me do a spit-take with that Vick line. He's such a fucking dummie.

[CM Mark]

so, this wonderlick test, thats how many inches of cock you can fit up your ass?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

just about...Gally...just about

Vince Young is apparently slow...but still faster than my fat ass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2380236). He ran a 4.58

[Maynard James K]

Anyone actually going to see the draft this year?

Tried a few years back for the Eli draft, impossible to get in. Although the Theatre at MSG is small.

[askewcore]

Anyone actually going to see the draft this year?

Tried a few years back for the Eli draft, impossible to get in. Although the Theatre at MSG is small.

I tried that year too. It really is fucking hard. I'm working on finding a connection to get me in though. I doubt it'll happen.

[weakside]

Here is the latest projection by Kiper...

First-Round Projections
1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC
2. New Orleans Mario Williams, DE* NC State
3. Tennessee Matt Leinart, QB USC
4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland
7. Oakland Vince Young, QB* Texas
8. Buffalo Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida St.
9. Detroit Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
11. St. Louis Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
12. Cleveland Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida St.
13. Baltimore Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon
14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T* USC
15. Denver (from ATL) Chad Jackson, WR* Florida
16. Miami Donte Whitner, S* Ohio St.
17. Minnesota Ernie Sims, LB* Florida St.
18. Dallas Jason Allen, S/CB Tennessee
19. San Diego Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina
20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
21. New England Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St.
22. Denver (from WSH) DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
23. Tampa Bay Antonio Cromartie, CB* Florida St.
24. Cincinnati Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
25. N.Y. Giants Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
26. Chicago Richard Marshall CB* Fresno St.
27. Carolina LenDale White, RB* USC
28. Jacksonville Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
29. N.Y. Jets (from DEN) Nick Mangold, C Ohio St.
30. Indianapolis Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota
31. Seattle Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St.
32. Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss, WR Miami

* denotes underclassman

Stock Rising
Late first round, early second round
Chris Chester, C -- Oklahoma
Orien Harris, DT -- Miami
D'Qwell Jackson, LB -- Maryland
Davin Joseph, G -- Oklahoma
Taitusi "Duece" Latui, G -- USC
Manny Lawson, DE -- NC State
Rocky McIntosh, OLB -- Miami
Leonard Pope, TE -- Georgia
Eric Winston, T -- Miami

Early to middle of second round
Joseph Addai, RB -- LSU
Brodie Croyle, QB -- Alabama
David Thomas, TE -- Texas
Zach Strief, T -- Northwestern

3rd round
Will Blackmon, CB/WR -- Boston College
Chris Gocong, DE -- Cal Poly SLO
Devin Hester, CB/WR/returner -- Miami
Tarvaris Jackson, QB -- Alabama St.
Calvin Lowry, S -- Penn St.
Danieal Manning, CB -- Abilene Christian
David Pittman, CB -- Northwestern St.
Willie Reid, WR/Returner -- Florida St.
Joe Toledo, T -- Washington
Guy Whimper, T -- East Carolina
James Wyche, DE -- Syracuse

Stock Dropped
Jason Avant, WR -- Michigan
Dominique Byrd, TE -- USC
Tamba Hali, DE -- Penn St.
Thomas Howard, LB -- UTEP
Mathias Kiwanuka, DE -- Boston College
Ko Simpson, DB -- South Carolina
Alan Zemaitis, CB -- Penn St.

[askewcore]

"And with the 4th selection in the 2006 NFL Draft the New York Jets select Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State."

That would be funny.

D'Brickashaw is way too safe of a pick for the Jets.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

New Mock Draft over on SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/04/04/mock.draft4.part1/index.html)...surprises = 0

[Kid Brock]

I don't mind the Bears going after a TE that can catch and block at thatt point of the 1st round. I could live with Pope or Byrd.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

LenDale White has a torn hamstring (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977)...well that's a pisser, no wonder his stock keeps dropping

[weakside]

Looking at a lot of the mock drafts it looks like Vince Young will not drop past the Raiders. But if the Raiders don't take him Arizona will.

The Jets will get D'Brickashaw Ferguson since Mario Williams most likely go to the Saints. I know its not a sexy pick for the Jet fans but it is a great pick if they make it.

[askewcore]

The Jets will get D'Brickashaw Ferguson since Mario Williams most likely go to the Saints. I know its not a sexy pick for the Jet fans but it is a great pick if they make it.

Which is exactly why they wont do it. The Jets picking in the top 5 is bound to fuck up any mock draft. Like when they took Dewayne Robertson at #4 in a year when there was about 5 DTs with 1st round potential.

[askewcore]

ESPN put out a list of all the prospects with "character problems or legal troubles"...there's 32 fucking guys on the list. Thats just sad.

Here's the link, I'll try and copy and paste it too. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2409770&CMP=ILC-INHEAD)

Winston Justice, OT, USC (First)
Justice was arrested and sentenced to probation after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor count of solicitation of prostitution in July of 2003. Unfortunately, his problems with the law didn't end there. He was also charged with three misdemeanor counts of exhibiting a replica firearm in March of 2004. The court sentenced him to 60 days of electronic monitoring as well as three years probation, and the school's Student Affairs Department suspended him for two semesters as a result.

Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State (First)
An incident in June 2005 involving his girlfriend has raised some concerns about Sims' character. Police arrested him for domestic battery and resisting arrest without violence that day. He pleaded no contest to the reduced charge of disorderly conduct in August.

Jimmy Williams, DC, Virginia Tech (First)
There's no questioning Williams' upside. He is fast, strong and versatile enough to line up at safety in certain situations. The problem is he might never realize that awesome potential because he doesn't give his best effort on every snap. He is an arrogant player who relies on natural ability far too much.

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State (First)
Holmes has avoided off-the-field problems, but his ego and faith in his natural ability have hindered his progress and raised concerns about his willingness to listen to coaching.


LenDale White, RB, USC (First)
There have always been questions about White's dedication to training and his ability to keep his weight down. A poor performance at the combine has only intensified those concerns.

Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (First/Second)
Georgia suspended Pope for the Louisiana-Monroe game for violating team rules. There are also questions about his work ethic and willingness to get better.

Max Jean-Gillies, OG, Georgia (Second)
Jean-Giles has had problems keeping his weight down and there are questions about his dedication to training. There are also concerns he won't work hard once he signs a lucrative contract.

Claude Wroten, DT, LSU (Second)
Wroten's draft stock took a hit when he was pulled over for speeding and the police found marijuana in the car. While a felony charge of marijuana possession with the intent to distribute eventually was dismissed, he was not allowed to play in the Senior Bowl and teams will still have questions concerning the incident.

Brandon Marshall, WR, Central Florida (Third)
In 2004, the police arrested Marshall for trespassing and resisting arrest following an incident at a Denny's restaurant. Central Florida suspended him for a game as a result. In addition, Marshall's arrogance and penchant for taking plays off has hindered his progress.

Dusty Dvoracek, DT, Oklahoma (Third)
While he has since undergone counseling and hasn't been involved in any off-the-field problems, Dvoracek was involved in several alcohol-related incidents during his first four seasons at Oklahoma. In fact, Oklahoma dismissed him from the team after he started the first two games of the 2004 season. He returned to play for the Sooners in 2005.

Dee Webb, DC, Florida (Third)
Webb purchased four guns in February of 2006 and police confiscated all four as part of an investigation about gun shots fired into an adjacent apartment. While a Florida teammate admitted to firing the shots and there's no reason to believe Webb will be arrested at this point, police found several guns legally stored at Webb's apartment.

Demario Minter, DC, Georgia (Third)
Police arrested Minter and four other Georgia football players, charging them with marijuana possession in 2003. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he performed one year of community service and was placed on probation for one year. He served a two-game suspension at the beginning of the season.

Reggie McNeal, QB/WR, Texas A&M (Third/Fourth)
McNeal is a developmental prospect who needs to either show vast improvement at quarterback or move to receiver to make it in the NFL. That's why his ego and rumors about him openly voicing his opinion in the locker room are concerning.

A.J. Nicholson, OLB, Florida State (Third/Fourth)
Nicholson was charged with two separate alcohol-related offenses within a one-year span leading up to his senior season in 2005. One incident involved him resisting arrest after police tried to kick him out of a Tallahassee night club for disorderly conduct and drinking violations. The police had to subdue him with a Taser gun. In addition, police questioned Nicholson and Florida State suspended him for the 2006 Orange Bowl after a 19-year-old woman accused him of sexually assaulting her. However, charges were not filed.

Tim Jennings, DC, Georgia (Third/Fourth)
Jennings was one of the Georgia players involved in Minter's incident. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he also performed one year of community service and was placed on one year's probation. He was suspended for the first two games of the 2003 season.

Bernard Pollard, DS, Purdue (Fourth)
Purdue suspended Pollard for three days during its 2005 training camp after he got into a verbal altercation with head coach Joe Tiller. There are concerns about his ability to control his emotions.

Anwar Phillips, DC, Penn State (Fourth)
In November 2002, a female student accused Phillips of assaulting her on campus and the school expelled him for two semesters. In addition, he was arraigned on charges of sexual assault and indecent aggravated assault. However, it's important to note that a jury acquitted Phillips of the charges in August of 2003.

Kedrick Golston, DT, Georgia (Fourth/Fifth)
While he was trying to break up a bar fight involving one of his teammates, Golston was arrested and charged with simple battery of a police officer, obstruction of a police officer and disorderly conduct in April of 2005. As a result, Georgia suspended him for the season opener.

Domata Peko, DT, Michigan State (Fifth)
Peko fled the scene when police officers found him urinating in public in May 2005. He later pled guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

Adam Stenavich, OG, Michigan (Fifth)
In November 2004, police arrested Stenavich for disorderly conduct in his hometown in Wisconsin. He cursed and screamed at officers who were called to escort him out of a night club because an employee supposedly caught him urinating on the floor. Stenavich eventually paid a fine for the offense.

Reuben Houston, DC, Georgia Tech (Fifth)
Houston has been arrested for driving without a license twice, but those two infractions are overshadowed by a June 2005 arrest for his involvement in a California-based marijuana distribution operation. He pled guilty to charges of conspiracy and intent to distribute 92 pounds of marijuana following the arrest. In April 2006, he was sentenced to nine months probation.

Jeff Webb, WR, San Diego State (Fifth)
Unlike many other players on this list, Webb has stayed out of trouble off the field. However, character is still a concern because he seems overly arrogant and rubs some people the wrong way. Webb does not work very hard, takes plays off and does not like to work the middle of the field.


Marcus Vick, QB, Virginia Tech (Fifth/Sixth)
Perhaps no other player will be hurt by his past transgressions more than Vick. Virginia Tech suspended him for the James Madison game after he violated team policies in 2003. He was convicted on three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in May of 2004, and Virginia Tech suspended him for the entire season. Vick was also charged with reckless driving and marijuana possession in July 2004.

In January 2006, Virginia Tech dismissed him from the team because of his character issues. Police arrested and charged him with three counts of brandishing a firearm a week after his dismissal. In addition, he has been cited for nine driving offenses since 2002. As if his off-the-field problems don't raise enough concerns, he stomped on the left calf of a Louisville defender during the 2006 Gator Bowl.

McKinley Boykin, DT, Mississippi (Sixth)
In March 2005, police arrested and charged Boykin with simple assault/domestic violence. The charges were dropped eventually because his girlfriend refused to pursue them. In addition, he has had some problems controlling his emotions on the field.

Brad Butler, OT, Virginia (Sixth/Seventh)
Concerns surrounding Butler's character shouldn't hurt him as much as many of the other players on this list. However, Virginia suspended him a game for throwing a questionable chop block during the Boston College game.

Chris Hawkins, DC, Marshall (Seventh)
Hawkins started his collegiate career at North Carolina, but a violation of team rules stemming from a fight with a teammates ended with his dismissal from the team. He then transferred to Marshall.

Melvin Oliver, DE, LSU (Seventh)
In June 2004, police arrested Oliver for simple assault after he got into an altercation with the mother of his son.

Larry Dibbles, DT, Texas-Austin (Seventh)
Police arrested Dibbles and three of his teammates for possession of marijuana in May 2003. The charges were dropped because the arresting officer performed an illegal traffic stop before searching the car where the marijuana was found.

Mike Imoh, RB, Virginia Tech (Seventh/FA)
Virginia Tech suspended Imoh for the first three games of the 2004 season after he pled no contest to three counts of contributing to the delinquency of minor in May of that year.

Manase Hopoi, DT, Washington (Seventh/FA)
Though charges were never filed, police arrested Hopoi for assaulting a security guard during a nightclub brawl in March 2004.

Albert Toeaina, OT, Tennessee (Seventh/FA)
There's a lot to like about Toeaina's aggressiveness, but he's had some problems controlling his emotions. Tennessee suspended him for the 2005 season finale after he cursed, spit and threw his helmet at a cameraman when the Volunteers played Vanderbilt.

Rashon Powers-Neal, FB, Notre Dame (Free Agent)
Powers-Neal pled guilty to a fourth-degree driving-under-influence charge during his senior year, and Notre Dame suspended him for most of the season consequently.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

okay...Winston definately gets a pass and a even a commendation for soliciting a hooker. As for the replica firearms charge, you are a stupid sonofabitch

Sims' domestic abuse...she was probably being "wise" and deserved it

Wroten = Speeding with a bunch of pot...you're a dummy

Marshall...trespassing and resisting arrest huh? You're blacked out and hungry, it happened at Denny's...get him a sippy cup and he'll be fine

Dvoracek...so you're a drunk out in Oklahoma, who gives a fuck?

Webb...you're buying guns, that's fine. You live next to people who use guns? You lose

Minter...smokin a little dope, you can be okay

Nicholson...hahahahha, you got tasered!! "Sexual assault," huh? My guess is that she was surprised at the size of his dick-fingers

Jennings...see Minter

Phillips...sounds like you slapped a chick in the face with your cock

Golston...you tried to help your buddy, you failed. It happens

Peko...peeing in public = fun

Stenavich...don't pee on the floor of the club, pee against the bar

Houston...you sell dope. You don't get the pass of getting caught smoking a lil bit.

Vick...as much as I hate him, his legal issues have been pretty decent. Banging a 15 or 16 year old, getting her drunk...all in all not bad, up until that gun thing

Oliver...slap that bitch if she don't change yo babbies diapers

Dibbles...you were getting high with some friends, we know

Imoh...you were at the other end of the train with Vick, weren't you? If that lass was a white girl I'd be peturbed:icon_roll

Hopoi...you beat up a bouncer cause he was going to cockblock you, good job

Powers-Neal....4th degree drunk driving? What's that, like taking 3 shots of Listerine?

[weakside]

Larry Dibbles, DT, Texas-Austin (Seventh)
Police arrested Dibbles and three of his teammates for possession of marijuana in May 2003. The charges were dropped because the arresting officer performed an illegal traffic stop before searching the car where the marijuana was found.
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Let me get this straight: He got off on marijuana possession in Texas? Illegal stop or not, this kid must have got a kick-ass lawyer.

[askewcore]

Annnnnd we have our first trade.

Denever traded the 22nd pick in the first round to the Niners for a second and thrid round pick. (37th and 68th overall)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2413928

[The Irishman]

I was hearing on the radio this morning that Houston might trade the top pick to the Jets for the 4th and 29th picks this year and next years 1st round pick. Then the Jets will take Reggie Bush. Hear it on Mike & Mike.

[LAX]

I was hearing on the radio this morning that Houston might trade the top pick to the Jets for the 4th and 29th picks this year and next years 1st round pick. Then the Jets will take Reggie Bush. Hear it on Mike & Mike.

Jesus I hope that happens...Jets can get some insurance at QB in the second round...Not a bad move for houston either cause they do have alot of holes and why are they giving up so soon on dominck davis who had a great season 2 years ago though he shit the bed last season

[askewcore]

Hear it on Mike & Mike.

Thats because Greenburgh is the biggest Jet fan around. No way that shit is gonna happen.

[The Irishman]

Thats because Greenburgh is the biggest Jet fan around. No way that shit is gonna happen.

Actually he said that it was a bad move for the Jets. He was saying that they should stay at 4 and pick Ferguson.

[weakside]

As a Houston fan there are some positives to this scenario (four #1 picks in two years would be nice) but overall I would not like it because loosing out on Bush would hurt a lot. I think he is going to be something special in the NFL. Last year the team had Johnson and Davis, and both had a lot of problems carrying the load. Now that they have added Eric Moulds and might draft Reggie Bush the offence is going to be a hell of a lot better. And a better offence that going to sustain longer drives which is going to help out the defense.

Besides, I am not sure how good this trade would be for the Jets. I don't care how good a player is you don't give up three number ones.

[The Irishman]

I do not like it either. The Jets need alot of players to fill needs and trading away 2 first rounders this year and a first round next year will not do it. We need an offensive lineman to protect Pennington, DBs and Safety. It is going to be a long season.

[Stormrider666]

As a Redskins fan, this year's draft is going to suck. They don't have a pick in the first round and have no idea what round they will be making their first pick.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

as a Giants fan....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/antunesrj/Nelson_haha.jpg

oh and we're apparently about to sign LaVar too! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2417528):jump

[badcellphoneguy]

the jets better take a quarterback or move up to get one. Patrick Ramsey sucks...Pennington is a huge question mark. knowing the jets they will draft michael robinson from penn st or try to draft pat ryan again.

[weakside]

The Jets do need a QB, but the likelihood of getting Leinart is slim and both Young and Cutler are way too risky to take at pick 4. They should look elsewhere when making that pick...

[Jimmy's Dignity]

And we've got another trade...the Bears have sent S Mike Green for a 6th rounder (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421379). I guess picking up Ricky Manning Jr. and losing a third round pick made it a possible move...

[Kid Brock]

And we've got another trade...the Bears have sent S Mike Green for a 6th rounder (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421379). I guess picking up Ricky Manning Jr. and losing a third round pick made it a possible move...


Shows you the value of a decent player when you can only pay so many. Green has been a pretty good safety for a couple years now and you can only get a 6th rounder for him.

[weakside]

What the fuck are the Texans doing?? From ESPN:


Texans appear to be focusing on Williams, not Bush

Even as Houston Texans officials continued to insist they have made no decision about the first selection in the draft, there were strong indications Friday afternoon that the team has redirected its focus to North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams.


Texans executives were in substantive negotiations with Ben Dogra, the representative for Williams, throughout the day. Conversely, ESPN.com learned that the agent for Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush had not heard from the Texans, as of late Friday afternoon, in more than 24 hours.


The two sides spoke twice Thursday, but only briefly and made no progress toward an accord. During the week, progress was incremental and one person close to the discussions termed them "a little bit like being in quicksand."


In addition, league sources told ESPN.com that, in terms of guaranteed money, the latest offer made to Williams exceeds the best proposal made to Bush.


Minus any conversations with the Bush camp since Thursday, there seemed little chance the Texans could strike a pre-draft accord with the draft's highest-profile performer even if they were to jump-start the negotiations on Friday evening.


Texans general manager Charley Casserly had cautioned earlier in the week that anyone concluding the team had decided on Bush and was only using Williams as leverage was mistaken. He reiterated that the Texans were serious about both players, negotiating with both agents, and that one of the two would be the top pick.


Dogra, however, was originally reluctant to enter into negotiations because he felt that his client might be used to force Bush into a deal. Clearly, the Texans convinced him that was not the case.


Were the Texans to choose Williams, it would mark the first time since 2000 that a defensive player was the first prospect off the board. The Cleveland Browns chose defensive Courtney Brown with the first pick that year.


The choice of Williams by the Texans could also dramatically alter the landscape of the early segment of the first round. The New Orleans Saints, with the second choice, have indicated they would snap up Bush if he fell to their slot. But the Saints had hinted, in general, that they might entertain trade offers for their pick.


The availability of Bush at the No. 2 spot would almost certainly elicit trade offers.

[Kid Brock]

Texans do need D instead of a RB.

[Abysmul]

please god, let him fall to #4, that would be grand
"joy"

[Jimmy's Dignity]

honestly, I think they put out a press release like that, said, "We're workin Williams really hard" so that Bush's agent may crack and relent on the signability angle....at least that's what I'd do if I was them

tomorrow is the big day...noon is when it "begins" Any idea on when the first pick is? I'm gonna be incomunicado tomorrow, but at least my buddy has Sirius and the NFL Network....gonna be an interesting time playin catch-up and rehashing the results of the draft here Sunday

[Maynard James K]

It's Official...

HOUSTON - The Houston Texans have signed North Carolina State DE Mario Williams and plan to take him with the first overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft. Williams becomes the second Texans number one pick in team history.


-houstontexans.com


BREAKING NEWS
Texans announce signing of Mario Williams
The Houston Texans have announced they have reached an agreement with defensive end Mario Williams.

-nfl.com

[ESdarkFX]

cheaters never win reggin

[Muscles]

Biggest mistake ever. You never take a DE as the first pick. However, if your a Jets fan you should be thanking the ineptness of the Houston Texans. Williams 1, Ferguson 2, Leinhart 3 and Bush at 4.

[askewcore]

Biggest mistake ever. You never take a DE as the first pick.

Oh yeah?! Tell that to Courtney Brown and Dan Wilkinson!!!

...wait, what?

[7cent]

I don't get it, isn't the draft tomorrow?? and why would anyone actually sign right away, don't they hold off for the more money..

[askewcore]

Usually, if you're the first pick in the draft, teams like to work out a deal before they pick you so you can get into camp ASAP, that and no one wants to have the #1 pick holdout on them. You dont need to hold off for more money because the #1 pick usually sets the bar for everyone else's contracts/salaries.

Williams 1, Ferguson 2, Leinhart 3 and Bush at 4.

Why would the Titans pass on Reggie? Chris Brown isnt that great of a player (like McCallister) for a team to pass on Bush for him and they still have another year or two out of McNair and Billy Volek behind him, Volek is capable of taking that team over in my opinion, especially if they give him a back like Bush. If the Saints dont trade the #2, I dont think Bush will fall past the Titans.

[7cent]

for 6 years 54 million, and a guaranteed 26 I'd sign right away.

[weakside]

As a Houston fan, I am just sick...We passed up on perhaps the best player college football has seen in years. Houston has tried to defend them by saying:

A. Bush wanted way too much money
B. Williams was a better fit for their team
C. Games are won by building up the lineman

I understand all these arguments, especially number if it turns out he wanted an obscene amount of money, but they are also all flawed. They did not draft for need, as OL was what they really could have used if they were going to pass on Bush anyway. Hell, why not trade down (the Jets were willing) and pick up some extra picks? And the best fir for the team is the player who helps them win and sell tickets. That was, in my opinion, Bush.

Although there can be no argument Bush would have put asses in the seats I guess there is still a slight chance Bush will never turn out to be anything more than a great 3rd down back. He never did carry a full load in college and the NFL is light years ahead when it comes to hitting. Besides that as most people know there is no such thing as a sure thing.

But this is all just “sour grapes” on my part. Today, I now know how a Jet fan feels.

[Cpnthrfan]

build around a defense

[Cpnthrfan]

now I whope the Saints dont draft Bush!

[Baron Von Chez]

somewhere...a jets fan has jumped off a ledge

[The Irishman]

now we have to draft Ferguson

[Baron Von Chez]

seems in place to. now with TEN, leinhart or young?

[The Irishman]

Leinhart.

[Baron Von Chez]

ooh Young he and mcnair are similar, so no huge surprise

[Cpnthrfan]

Saw that one coming

[Baron Von Chez]

and now...the ever popular jets pick. any chance of leinhart?

[Cpnthrfan]

what pick do they have?

[Cpnthrfan]

lienhart or ferguson

[Cpnthrfan]

Lienhart just realized he a Raider

[badcellphoneguy]

i have had it with the jets and their pics...we need a quarterback and we get a OL. wonderfull.

[Cpnthrfan]

the fans there seemed happy with it

[badcellphoneguy]

pennington and ramsey are not the answers. the jets had a golden opportunity and blew it...just blew it.

[KAJK27]

you know nothign.

[Skeet Slambone]

Once again the fucking Jets blow it. I'm so sick of rooting for this shithead franchise. Pennington will NEVER win you a super bowl with his 20yrd passing routes. Unfuckingreal, but totally expected.

[badcellphoneguy]

Once again the fucking Jets blow it. I'm so sick of rooting for this shithead franchise. Pennington will NEVER win you a super bowl with his 20yrd passing routes. Unfuckingreal, but totally expected.
\

absolutly correct!

[circpro]

Lienhart just realized he a Raider


How uncomfortable does he look right now.... Maybe Arizona...

[Cpnthrfan]

He is in a Freefall

[badcellphoneguy]

lower he drops lower his salary is

[Cpnthrfan]

Philly will trade up for him

[badcellphoneguy]

:fight6: i cant believe the jets passed on him...:fight6:

[circpro]

You could argue they need protection up front...


























but why would you.........

[Cpnthrfan]

Protect whatever qb you do have

[badcellphoneguy]

whats the difference pennington is like a pygeria kid and ramsey is just gawd awfull.

[Cpnthrfan]

Finally lienart and jame may be a good combo

[badcellphoneguy]

congrats the desert fans

[badcellphoneguy]

leinart to fitzgerald touchdown

[Cpnthrfan]

Bye bye Kurt the Arena league dont want ya either

[badcellphoneguy]

Bye bye Kurt the Arena league dont want ya either


i hear the NY Dragons are looking for a QB. Retire with his old team from Iowa

[Cpnthrfan]

He will go to the Jets

[Cpnthrfan]

dever trading up for Cutler?

[Cpnthrfan]

Does Cleveland really need 30 mins for a pick?

[Save My Up's Dick]

pennington and ramsey are not the answers. the jets had a golden opportunity and blew it...just blew it.
What else is new with the Jet's. :icon_roll

Great, you pick a good OL to protect a mediocre/fragile QB...I don't get it.

Why not take a good QB (Leinart) and then take a decent OL at 29?

Congrats Jets!! here's to a 6-10 season.

[Cpnthrfan]

you play to win the game/s/Herman Edwards

[Skeet Slambone]

What else is new with the Jet's. :icon_roll

Great, you pick a good OL to protect a mediocre/fragile QB...I don't get it.

Why not take a good QB (Leinart) and then take a decent OL at 29?

Congrats Jets!! here's to a 6-10 season.

You're being generous.

[Cpnthrfan]

Isnt it better than last year?

[Save My Up's Dick]

I know...but if they win less than 6 games they will get (and fuck up) another top 5 pic.

Yes the Jets finished 4-10 last year.

[Skeet Slambone]

Who is projected as the best coming out next year?

[Cpnthrfan]

Qb for Norte Dame

[Stormrider666]

Interesting draft so far. Alot of defensive players taken. And being a Redskins fan anxiously awaiting when they make their first pick at #53. And if I were the Colts, I would seriously see if they can try to acquire Decue McCallister from the Saints, now that they have Reggie Bush.

[Cpnthrfan]

wow good point. he wont like being a back up

[Cpnthrfan]

Cin picks Joseph, Finally a Gamecock selected

[Mick32]

If the Saints move one of the two backs -- McAllister or Bush -- it probably is Bush, because they take a huge cap hit if they move McAllister.

[Cpnthrfan]

Yes the Panthers Selected a Runningback

[blackout-]

this is great, 6 OSU players in 1st round.

[Budyzir]

So far Im NOT pissed off by the Jet's picks, we needed a replacement for Mawae and this kid Mangold looks OK, he just needs to get a bit bigger.

[Save My Up's Dick]

So far Im NOT pissed off by the Jet's picks, we needed a replacement for Mawae and this kid Mangold looks OK, he just needs to get a bit bigger.

The picks are good yes, but the drafting sucked.

They could have picked Leinart 4th, Mangold from OSU (who is going to be good) at 29 and a OT/OG at 34.

Edit: Could have picked Winston Justice from USC at 34.

Bad draft (again) for the Jets.

[Kid Brock]

Oh my god, how about the Bills. Reach for the OSU DB at 8 and then give my Bears a 2nd and 3rd to get a DL that no one had rated higher than a late second or third. You can't tell that they are ran by a couple of senile old men.

[Cpnthrfan]

glad Lendale finally drafted

[weakside]

I think the Jets did a pretty good job this year. You don't win without good O-linemen

[Budyzir]

This could be interesting .....

Clemons is a very smart and fundamentally sound quarterback with a very quick and compact release and when he strides into his throws, he can make all the throws with very good zip. Clemons shows impressive ability to consistently step up and make big plays -- mostly with his arm, but occasionally with feet -- when it matters most; even vs. heavy pressure/blitzes. For Clemons to become the starter he is capable of being, he needs to stride into every throw he makes and do a better job of not forcing throws when he feels he has to make the big play. Overall, Clemons will probably get drafted much lower than anticipated, but he has the ability to become a very good NFL starter. Aside from Matt Leinart, Clemons might be the only other quarterback who is more ready mentally to step into the NFL and contribute early in his career.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/clemens_kellen

[N.Y. Johnny]

I think the Jets did a pretty good job this year. You don't win without good O-linemen



Easily they can say they got the TOP 2 guys at their positions in THIS draft at the C and T positions

Mangold was the #1 Center, and obviously D'Brickashaw Ferguson was the top Tackle.

I'm glad the Jets didnt cave into the extortion attempt the Saints tried to pull for the 2 overall, Fuck New Orleans.

[Perch1019]

pennington and ramsey are not the answers. the jets had a golden opportunity and blew it...just blew it.

I think the jets did a great job this year in the draft. They were able to draft the top guys at each position that they needed a fill at. Im not going to say that Chads gonna be ok, but if you dont have someone blocking for you, anyones gonna suck back there. I would much rather see some sub-par QB taking snaps behind a dominant line then a guy fresh out of college getting his head smashed in every game of his rookie season because he has no protection. Situations like that lead to the Ryan Leafs of the world.
When I was watching the pre-draft stuff on ESPN, they were talking about how this QB they got in the 3rd round had the potential to be a star in the league. They had been saying nothing but good things about him.
And I really dont wanna hear how they blew it on getting bush either. Noone is such a sure thing that you should mortgage your entire draft just to get him and thats what it would have costed them. Kiper mentioned how Mangina was from the Bellicheck mold and not giving up all their picks for one guy is something the pats always did and was one of the reasons why the Pats were able to become the team they were. The jets had a shitload of holes to fill and I think they did a fantastic job of doing it. Will the make the playoffs next year? Probably not, but i think the future looks alot brighter right now than it did this morning. Suprisingly, im kinda looking fwd to the NFL season starting up.

[askewcore]

I think the Jets did a pretty good job this year. You don't win without good O-linemen

Wow, it took six hours for someone to say something intelligent on this subject. The Jets fans are so used to bitching about their picks that they do it out of reaction. Ferguson was the safest pick in this entire draft. Leinart doesnt have the arm strength to play in the Meadowlands, everyone is acting like they passed on Marino (again), Leinart is like a taller Pennington, with a SLIGHTLY stronger arm, and since Chad throws like a bitch, thats not saying much. Leinart doesnt have the ability to step in right away, even with the Cards he'll back-up Warner for a year, Ferguson, on the other hand will start at LT this year and be there for the next 10-12 years for the Jets. You cannot win without a good OL, its never happened, and never will, regardless of who your QB is. I think Mangold will be good, but if they start him, he'll struggle this year, its hard for a rookie to step in at center and have to learn all the new blitz schemes the NFL is going to throw at him. Even Kellen Clemens has the potential to be something good, but I dont think I'd bank on it. As much as I hate them the Jets did a fine job in the draft this year, for once.

I would much rather see some sub-par QB taking snaps behind a dominant line then a guy fresh out of college getting his head smashed in every game of his rookie season because he has no protection. Situations like that lead to the Ryan Leafs of the world.

At least one Jet fan gets it.

Now, onto the good New York team. I didnt like the trade down in the first round when they pulled it, I was hopin for Chad Jackson. I like the pick of Kiwaunka though, even though we have a surplus of DEs now, Strahan isnt getting any younger and Acorsi said on the NFL network that he plans to use Osi, Strahan and Kiwanuka on pass rush situations, standing one of them up, with those three guys and Arrington, that'll be a sick pass rush, so long as the secondary can do their job. I love the Sinorice Moss pick, I think we moved up to the perfect spot to get him and he'll fit well with this team in the Tim Carter role, except Moss can catch. Giving Eli another target to stretch the field with was a great move. I dont know much about Gerris Wilkinson, anyone watch a decent amount of Ga. Tech games that could help out here? But I am glad they took another LB, just for depth at the position. I wanna see a DB and a OL taken in the second day, we usually have really good success with our late round picks.

I miss football.

[N.Y. Johnny]

The Jets had a good draft..something I don't think i'd ever find myself saying. They're building from the O-Line out which is a great way to go, a Solid Offensive line will translate to a winner.

These fans pissed because we passed on Leinart are idiots and just don't get it, you draft a guy like Leinart up there at 4 and he fucking sucks later means someone's ass is goin to get fired.
With Clemens up there if he pans out great and If he doesn't then you didn't risk alot and you just move on and try to figure it out later. Clemens is a good selection I think certainly he's alot better than whats on the roster now, Pennington is a big question mark, Ramsey is Ramsey, and Bolly will always be 3rd best.


Hey Askewcore, Sinorice Moss was a great fuckin pick up man, and Wilkinson isn't that bad considering where he was taken, its a good pick. The NYG also had a pretty good draft so far.

[Skeet Slambone]

I bashed the shit out of the Jets earlier in the thread, but after thinking about it I wonder if the Jets saw something they really liked in Kellen Clemens. He's been getting great reviews. Now, I may be giving the Jets way more credit than they deserve but perhaps they liked the guy and knew they could get him late.

[yellowstonesteve]

the Jets had a very good Day 1 (at least on paper, though I beleive those picks will pan out).
Leinart went to the perfect situation, once Warner gets injured (happens every year, no?) that team should be fun to watch.
my hometown team (the Eagles) did very well too, I liked that they were agressive in the second round to get Justice, and Bunkley fell into their laps. Not sure about the 3rd guy, may be nice depth/special teams (which they need desperatley).
now, my long time adopted team (since the mid 90's, guess I liked to punish myself) the Bengals, I think they merely got depth, I just hope they are good enough to do that at this point. Nothing great.

[Vic Mackey]

Am I the only one who thought that ESPN's coverage was god-awful? They did very little analysis on players drafted, unless it was one of "their guys" that they studied before the draft. Also they didn't even acknowledge the trade the Bears made with Buffalo. I was sitting there wondering what the Bears got for the first round pick, no fucking mention whatsoever. Same with the trade the Giants made. I would think that would be something that people would be interested in and would like to know. In stead they ran with their pre-planned stories and analysis.

I think that the Bears dropped the ball big time, picking up 2 defensive backs and a d lineman. I thought for sure they would be addressing the offense or complete lack there of.

[askewcore]

I watched the entire draft on NFL Network, only going to ESPN during commercials, NFLN blew them away. Corey Chavous, and Mike Mayock (although I hate his lisp) know everything about every player drafted. It seemed like every time I flipped to ESPN, they were just riding Matt Leinart's dick. ESPN stinks.

And I didnt like Chicago trading out of their pick, but they made a couple good late round selections in Devin Hester and Dvoracek. Manning is also a nice player, he should be able to replace Green this year.

[Kid Brock]

Am I the only one who thought that ESPN's coverage was god-awful? They did very little analysis on players drafted, unless it was one of "their guys" that they studied before the draft. Also they didn't even acknowledge the trade the Bears made with Buffalo. I was sitting there wondering what the Bears got for the first round pick, no fucking mention whatsoever. Same with the trade the Giants made. I would think that would be something that people would be interested in and would like to know. In stead they ran with their pre-planned stories and analysis.

I think that the Bears dropped the ball big time, picking up 2 defensive backs and a d lineman. I thought for sure they would be addressing the offense or complete lack there of.


ESPN does suck balls. The Bears did well getting a 3rd rounder plus an extra 4th from the stupid Bills who completely reached with that NC State kid, they could of got in the 3rd round. I think they may make Hester a WR, or worst case he upgrades their return game. I was kind of hoping for a TE, but 9 of the 11 starters on D last year came from drafting them so they know what they are doing. Plus I think they have high hopes for Bradley coming of injury at WR.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Wow, it took six hours for someone to say something intelligent on this subject. The Jets fans are so used to bitching about their picks that they do it out of reaction.
You are 100% right my friend. Now that I think about it the Jets did OK, I'm not disappointed as my earlier post appear. I still would of liked to get Leinart over Clemens but hopefully he'll be a good NFL QB.

The Jet's went the safe way and got two good linemen and a QB. It could have been worse and they could have drafted for defense.

And ESPN's coverage sucked ass this year.

[JoeFromDetroit]

I don't follow college ball closely but wasn't LenDale White suppose to be a pretty high pick? When I saw Tenn. got him in the 2nd round I thought it was a steal. Young/White...not bad.

[Budyzir]

I don't follow college ball closely but wasn't LenDale White suppose to be a pretty high pick? When I saw Tenn. got him in the 2nd round I thought it was a steal. Young/White...not bad.


The word on ESPN was that there were some questions about his work ethic and dedication. Apparently he wasnt working out after the season and had gained weight.

[Vic Mackey]

ESPN does suck balls. The Bears did well getting a 3rd rounder plus an extra 4th from the stupid Bills who completely reached with that NC State kid, they could of got in the 3rd round. I think they may make Hester a WR, or worst case he upgrades their return game. I was kind of hoping for a TE, but 9 of the 11 starters on D last year came from drafting them so they know what they are doing. Plus I think they have high hopes for Bradley coming of injury at WR.


Yeah, I was a little surprised when they passed on Pope in the second round since they really need a tight end.

[Hoagie]

Does anyone else think it's fitting that the Raiders are the team selecting Mr. Irrelevent?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

aaaaaaannnd exhale...
I'm stoked that Mr. Irrelevant was a WR from Maine, that's fantastic. I dunno what's better, that or the fact that Marcus Vick didn't get drafted :haha7: :haha7: :haha7: :haha7: :haha7:Protect whatever qb you do haveBingo, that's exactly what I said. As soon as the Jets took Ferguson, I called that they'd take Mangold with the 29 pick and then a QB in the 2nd round....I win. Taking those two guys was a godsend for this team, no OL = not winning, regardless who you have as your QB...and they know that they'll have a top 3 pick in the next draft...here comes Brady Quinn

I'm pleased that the Giants took Sinorice Moss, that's some good speed, makes me happy. I still dunno about the Kiwanuka pick though...that means Strahan, Umenyora, Justin Tuck, and Kiwanuka...could be a great pick depending on how they use him
leinart to fitzgerald touchdownGet used to saying that folks...it's a beautiful pick for Arizona, great West Coast kid, 2 nasty WR's, Edgerrin James, brand spankin new stadium, it'll be nice

I was surprised with the Bears, taking Defense all throughout the draft when they needed Offense badly. That D just got a lot nastier over the last two days. I was surprised at the Lions too...I think they got a steal with Brian Calhoun, the RB out of Wisconsin in the 3rd. Leinart at 10 was a steal for Arizona, DeAngelo Williams to Carolina and LenDale White to Tennessee were all quality picks

[spyderman]

I think Atlanta's picks are bizzare but, if they are going to change it over to a run & gun offense to suit Vick it might work. I'm still trying to figure out why in the hell they picked up that kid from Fresno State. Its not like he really put up any numbers. Shockley was a nice steal, I'm suprised nobody else wanted him. Now we've got 2 good Qb's to go to when Vick goes down.

[askewcore]

I'm still trying to figure out why in the hell they picked up that kid from Fresno State. Its not like he really put up any numbers.

But he's really fast and a great return man. He might be a nice fit on that team, they lack a pure speed WR. Plus, he's a sick return man so D'Angelo Hall wont have to put himself at risk running back punts. I think Jimmy Williams was a sweet pick for them too, he gets to reunite with his old college teamatte (Hall) they had great success toegther at VT, maybe Mora is lookin to get that back.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Vikings must have loved their draft...they just fired their VP of Player Personnel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2431511)

MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings fired vice president of player personnel Fran Foley on Wednesday, ending a tumultuous three-month tenure that included an inaccurate resume and a draft that has been widely panned.

The Vikings made the announcement in a one sentence statement. Owner Zygi Wilf declined to comment on the decision after a Wednesday afternoon news conference at Capitol, where the team is trying to secure public funding for a new stadium.

Foley signed a three-year contract with Minnesota on Jan. 26, coming over from the San Diego Chargers. But he admitted to several inaccuracies on the resume he provided the team, including his early work history and exaggerating his playing career at Framingham State College.

On a resume given to the Vikings, Foley said that he held coaching positions with the Citadel, Rutgers and Colgate when he was actually a graduate assistant at all three schools.

He also said that he played four seasons at Framingham State, when he only played two.

The team issued a revised biography for Foley last month.

Foley was part of a three-way executive structure that included coach Brad Childress and vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski and was three days removed from playing a major role in helping to shape the Vikings' future on draft weekend.

The Vikings selected Iowa linebacker Chad Greenway and Texas cornerback Cedric Griffin with their first two selections, but raised eyebrows for picking center Ryan Cook and trading up to take quarterback Tarvaris Jackson in the second round. Both were projected to go in the late-third round or fourth round.

Wilf also declined to say if the team would hire a replacement for Foley, but did laud his executive team's draft weekend on Sunday, saying, "We got everyone we wanted to get."

If they do decide to replace Foley, college scouting director Scott Studwell could be a candidate. Studwell declined comment on Wednesday.