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Schnit Dick
02-23-2006, 02:50 PM
So me and some co-workers were trying to think of any wrestlers that throughout there whole career were either always good or always bad. None of us could think of Hacksaw Jim Duggan being bad, and we couldnt think of King Kong Bundy and Big John Studd ever being good. Are we right and are there others?
flyerfan116
02-23-2006, 02:54 PM
wow you and your co-workers really need lives:action-sm
and so do i...did hacksaw turn against the US in the dying WCW days?
MinnesotaMolMan
02-23-2006, 03:06 PM
yeah Hacksaw joined Team Canada for a while in WCW...that was only slightly better than the janitor angle he had been running. Not sure what Russo was trying to do with that one.
http://www.pwwew.net/funzone/birth/duggan.jpg
Sack of Chisels
02-23-2006, 03:07 PM
I assume you mean always heel/face? Coincidentally I was just thinking about this the other day when O&A were talking about how radio is like wrestling, and I couldn't really think of any wrestler that never turned. (someone that was around for a considerable amount of time at least) Tag teams staying together is different, but not really the same thing.
askewcore
02-23-2006, 03:09 PM
Did Jimmy Snuka and/or Ricky Steamboat ever go bad?
Schnit Dick
02-23-2006, 03:16 PM
I think Jimmy Skuka was when they played some hurting is GF angle if I remember correctly, and steamboat i think was when he first came but i could be wrong.
jrewing5
02-23-2006, 03:16 PM
RVD hasn't been a heel, has he?
askewcore
02-23-2006, 03:17 PM
How about Kevin Sullivan? I couldnt see him as a good guy
MinnesotaMolMan
02-23-2006, 03:20 PM
RVD hasn't been a heel, has he?
RVD has heel for quite a while when he first started up in ECW but they couldn't keep the fans from cheering him so he became more of a face character rather than the obnoxious asshole he was playing. He called himself Mr. Monday Night and always threatened to leave ECW to get heat from the Philly fans.
Sack of Chisels
02-23-2006, 03:22 PM
RVD hasn't been a heel, has he?
Yes he has, right before his injury on smackdown he turned on Booker T I think it was.
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 03:56 PM
Big John Studd was a face when he came back in the late 80s.
flyerfan116
02-23-2006, 03:59 PM
I think Jimmy Skuka was when they played some hurting is GF angle if I remember correctly, .
uuhhh think you are confusing that with the time (in real life) Snuka beat his girlfriend to death outside a PA motel and McMahon made it all go away since Snuka was headlining at the time
couldn't find the article but here is a C&P of the article on a messageboard FWIW
http://p220.ezboard.com/fsc270529frm4.showMessage?topicID=185.topic
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 04:00 PM
I'd also have to say, I don't remember the Iron Sheik of Nikolai Volkoff ever going face, but....I'm probably wrong.
Jay Douglas
02-23-2006, 04:09 PM
I'd also have to say, I don't remember the Iron Sheik of Nikolai Volkoff ever going face, but....I'm probably wrong.
I can't recall Iron Sheik being a face, but Volkoff definitely was at one time. After the fall of USSR, in storylines, Volkoff became poor and was pretty much forced to work for the very evil "Million-Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase.
Schnit Dick
02-23-2006, 04:17 PM
uuhhh think you are confusing that with the time (in real life) Snuka beat his girlfriend to death outside a PA motel and McMahon made it all go away since Snuka was headlining at the time
couldn't find the article but here is a C&P of the article on a messageboard FWIW
http://p220.ezboard.com/fsc270529frm4.showMessage?topicID=185.topic
ah...i guess i was wrong...i thought they had incorporated it in, so i guess he was always a face
Jimmy's Dignity
02-23-2006, 04:36 PM
what about tag teams?
Nasty Boys were always heels and never went into singles wrestling right? How about LOD/Road Warriors? I don't know what the hell they were in the AWA/NWA but in WWF/E they were always faces
I was about to say Earthquake always being a heel, but then I forgot about when he was tagging with Typhoon and was going against Money Inc.
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 04:55 PM
what about tag teams?
Nasty Boys were always heels and never went into singles wrestling right? How about LOD/Road Warriors? I don't know what the hell they were in the AWA/NWA but in WWF/E they were always faces
I was about to say Earthquake always being a heel, but then I forgot about when he was tagging with Typhoon and was going against Money Inc.
AUGH!!!! Not the Natural Disasters!!!
Gobbeldy Gooker has always sucked :)
What about Sting in NWA/WCW? I never really watched either, but I always remember him being like, THE Hogan of NWA.....then that weird death 'thing' in WCW.
Wasn't the Fabulous Moolah always a heel, at least during her actual 'wrestling career'?...of course, with the exception of her, female wrestlers usually don't last long enough to be considered either..Shit, Wendy Richter was always a face, but she wasn't involved long enough to be anything BUT a face....
Hell, what about The Ultimate Warrior?
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 05:02 PM
How about LOD/Road Warriors? I don't know what the hell they were in the AWA/NWA but in WWF/E they were always faces
I believe that the Road Warriors were heels in AWA/NWA, I seem to remember them fucking up Dusty Rhodes with a spike to his head or some shit...
I need to get the hell out of this thread, or I'm going to start becoming nostalgic for my preteen years...
Jimmy's Dignity
02-23-2006, 05:12 PM
....I'm going to start becoming nostalgic for my preteen years...if you were a chick, we all would be nostalgic
what about the Bushwackers? I'm certain that they've always been faces...and wasn't Rick Martel always a heel?
Schnit Dick
02-23-2006, 05:14 PM
i thought the bushwackers were heel for a while when they first started, but they got to the point where they were too popular as a heel that they became face
soiled pj's
02-23-2006, 05:15 PM
does anyone remember Moon dog spot?
commish13
02-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Earthquake was also a face when he was Golga in the late 90s.
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 05:40 PM
if you were a chick, we all would be nostalgic
I'm certain that they've always been faces...and wasn't Rick Martel always a heel?
That first part.......HOT..
As for Rick Martel, he was a face with Tito Santana in Strike Force, until Tito accidentaly hit him with a flying forearm and Rick left Tito in the ring to get destroyed...I don't remember by whom, but it was fun to watch...I think it was the Brain Busters.
CM Mark
02-23-2006, 05:48 PM
As both a wrestler and Manager I believe Bobby Heenan was always a heel.
Also Bastion Booger was always a heel.
Not to mention Mantaur.
Or are we going for LONG running characters? :action-sm
Always Good
Junkyard Dog
Koko B Ware
Marty Jannety? (not sure...I don't remember him ever being heel)
Hillbilly Jim
The Patriot
Always Heel
Bobby Heenan
Mr. Fuji
Bob Orton
The Executioner (all 600 of them)
Lance Storm? (I'm not sure if he was ever a face)
Papagolash
02-23-2006, 09:23 PM
what about tag teams?
Nasty Boys were always heels and never went into singles wrestling right? How about LOD/Road Warriors? I don't know what the hell they were in the AWA/NWA but in WWF/E they were always faces
I was about to say Earthquake always being a heel, but then I forgot about when he was tagging with Typhoon and was going against Money Inc.
The Earthquake character was always a heel. Nasty Boys were face and heel in WCW.
Tommy Dreamer always a face.
askewcore
02-23-2006, 10:37 PM
Were "The King" Harley Race or Ted DiBiase ever good guys? Neither was Bad News Brown...
George "The Animal" Steele ever go bad? Tito Santana?
The Earthquake character was always a heel.
You sure? I'm pretty sure the Natural Disasters were good for a while.
domelogic
02-23-2006, 10:42 PM
how about magnificant moracco
WhiteHonkyDevil
02-23-2006, 11:02 PM
I remember Don Muraco helping out Billy Graham...I believe they were both faces at the time. I know "The Rock" beat Cowboy Bob Orton, and I don't believe Orton was EVER a face...
sherwood
02-24-2006, 12:16 AM
Were "The King" Harley Race or Ted DiBiase ever good guys? Neither was Bad News Brown...
George "The Animal" Steele ever go bad? Tito Santana?
You sure? I'm pretty sure the Natural Disasters were good for a while.
Harley Race was a face when Haku took over as "king"
abudabit
02-24-2006, 12:45 AM
Gilbert! Doink.
Gilbert! Doink.
Doink was originally the "evil clown"
He heeled it up against Crush which led to one of the worst matches you'll ever see on the Wrestlemania IX DVD, and then turned face.
MinnesotaMolMan
02-24-2006, 07:57 AM
Lance Storm had a face turn at the end of his ECW run when the Impact Players broke up.
Jimmy's Dignity
02-24-2006, 09:55 AM
and Lance was a face for a little while in WWE with Golddust, wasn't he? When they had him doin the cabbage patch? :puke:
MinnesotaMolMan
02-24-2006, 11:04 AM
and his big cock gimmick...WWE had no idea what to do with Lance Storm which is a shame since he's one of the best wrestlers I've ever followed.
Moneysnatch25
02-24-2006, 06:37 PM
The Earthquake character was always a heel. Nasty Boys were face and heel in WCW.
Tommy Dreamer always a face.
Earthquake and Typhoon were faces by proxy when they were dumped by Jimmy Hart.
the only wrestlers who never worked heel are the Von Erichs and Ricky Steamboat, Tom Zenk HillBilly Jim. The Rock & Roll Express never worked heel either as far as tag teams go.
the only wrestlers who never worked face were The Iron Sheik, Rick Rude, One Man Gang, Honky Tonk Man,
Kid Brock
02-24-2006, 09:51 PM
Tom Zenk? How would anyone notice if he ever was a face or a heel? Just a jobber in my mind.
Ploppy
02-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Villano VI (the enforcer) was always a heel.
Here's to ya, chris hyatte
CringeRadioWanted
02-24-2006, 11:05 PM
I'm trying hard to remember if Greg "The Hammer" Valentine was ever a face...if he was, it sure wasn't particularly memorable. Tito Santana = always face, to the best of my recollection, so the previous poster was right on that one I think.
As a side question, WWE era Christian never "officially" turned face, did he? I mean, he just did in the last month in TNA, but I think he was heel for his entire WWE run...?
Moneysnatch25
02-25-2006, 09:22 AM
Tom Zenk? How would anyone notice if he ever was a face or a heel? Just a jobber in my mind.
Dude! I mean c'mon! WCW-era "Z-Man" ROCKED!!! What really sucked about him is that nobody even remembers him...ever.. the WWF made him look like a deserter and a turncoat. his AWA run was completely forgettable, his singles run in WCW was ruined when he got destroyed by the debuting Rick Rude. Talk about vanilla...
Moneysnatch25
02-25-2006, 09:24 AM
I'm trying hard to remember if Greg "The Hammer" Valentine was ever a face...if he was, it sure wasn't particularly memorable. As a side question, WWE era Christian never "officially" turned face, did he? I mean, he just did in the last month in TNA, but I think he was heel for his entire WWE run...?
Valentine broke away from the Honky Tonk Man and Jimmy Hart, so he was another "face by proxy". Christian was a face right at the beginning of his WWE run, once he and Edge left Gangrel.
Kid Brock
02-25-2006, 12:19 PM
Dude! I mean c'mon! WCW-era "Z-Man" ROCKED!!! What really sucked about him is that nobody even remembers him...ever.. the WWF made him look like a deserter and a turncoat. his AWA run was completely forgettable, his singles run in WCW was ruined when he got destroyed by the debuting Rick Rude. Talk about vanilla...
Oh I remember him and boy do I remeber Rick Rude squashing him. He did seem to be a good athlete that could never settle in to a good role.
Nitetrane
02-26-2006, 01:47 AM
Oh my GAWWWD! Z-Man Tommy Jenk! I shortly remember (like most of you) in NWA/WCW, I remember he was in Portland wrestling for a bit out here too. Last I remember of him was he was tag-teaming with the late Flyin' Bryan Pillman, this is too funny, I too always thought he was just a glorified jobber!
Nitetrane
02-26-2006, 12:35 PM
What a remember repetitive ass I am........, "you were in a dress or did something in a dress?..."
Stormrider666
03-05-2006, 10:11 AM
Jimmy Snuka was a heel very early in his career. Remember him fighting Bob Backlund in the steel cage and climbing to the top, to the superfly. Just for Backlund to roll out of the way and Snuka to land on his face, turning it into a bloody mess.
MinusBlindfold
03-06-2006, 08:44 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle]Always Good
Junkyard Dog
Koko B Ware
Marty Jannety? (not sure...I don't remember him ever being heel)
Hillbilly Jim
The Patriot
QUOTE]
Marty came back in the mid-late 90's with The "New" Rockers. It was him and Al Snow, but he (Snow) was named "Leif Cassidy". The angle didn't last long however.
atxklown
03-07-2006, 02:27 AM
what about Jumping Jim Brunzell, Tony "Samba Simba" Atlas, 2 Cold Scorpio/Flash Funk? Haven't they always been faces?
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:39 AM
Did Jimmy Snuka and/or Ricky Steamboat ever go bad?
Snuka was a heel in the early days of ECW. He splashed Dreamer 10 times in a match to make Dreamer a star.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:40 AM
How about Kevin Sullivan? I couldnt see him as a good guy
Sullivan was a good guy in ECW and i think at some point in wcw also.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:41 AM
what about tag teams?
Nasty Boys were always heels and never went into singles wrestling right? How about LOD/Road Warriors? I don't know what the hell they were in the AWA/NWA but in WWF/E they were always faces
I was about to say Earthquake always being a heel, but then I forgot about when he was tagging with Typhoon and was going against Money Inc.
nasties were faces at the end of their wwe run and they did go singles during injuries
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:43 AM
if you were a chick, we all would be nostalgic
what about the Bushwackers? I'm certain that they've always been faces...and wasn't Rick Martel always a heel?
bushwackers were heels before their comic gimmick in wwf.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:44 AM
Earthquake was also a face when he was Golga in the late 90s.
remember when he was a face and fought yokozuna in a sumo match on raw? then he disappeared with an injury, Typhoon came in to finish the worthless angle.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:47 AM
As both a wrestler and Manager I believe Bobby Heenan was always a heel.
Also Bastion Booger was always a heel.
Not to mention Mantaur.
Or are we going for LONG running characters? :action-sm
yes i think we're talking long term
heenan worked as a face in a program against mr fuji. Greatest house show i ever saw at nassau coliseum. He used every anti-asian name in the book at fuji. Heenan rules.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:48 AM
Always Good
Junkyard Dog
Koko B Ware
Marty Jannety? (not sure...I don't remember him ever being heel)
Hillbilly Jim
The Patriot
Always Heel
Bobby Heenan
Mr. Fuji
Bob Orton
The Executioner (all 600 of them)
Lance Storm? (I'm not sure if he was ever a face)
marty was a heel in the new rockers with al snow.
storm was a face when he began in ecw, he had that awful pony tail.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:50 AM
The Earthquake character was always a heel. Nasty Boys were face and heel in WCW.
Tommy Dreamer always a face.
i think dreamer either started as a heel or was booed for being cheesy. He was a heel in wwe during the invasion angle if that counts.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:53 AM
I'm trying hard to remember if Greg "The Hammer" Valentine was ever a face...if he was, it sure wasn't particularly memorable. Tito Santana = always face, to the best of my recollection, so the previous poster was right on that one I think.
As a side question, WWE era Christian never "officially" turned face, did he? I mean, he just did in the last month in TNA, but I think he was heel for his entire WWE run...?
he was a face for a long time when teaming with edge.
valentine was face later on in wwe, i remember him feuding with the genius.
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 02:55 AM
what about Jumping Jim Brunzell, Tony "Samba Simba" Atlas, 2 Cold Scorpio/Flash Funk? Haven't they always been faces?
scorpio was a heel many times.
sorry for all the posts by the way, too much going on in this thread to keep track of.
Mick32
03-07-2006, 07:08 AM
I don't think Tito Santana or Rick Steamboat ever worked heel.
Flair, in the 80s dvd, says Steamboat isn't the greatest of all time because he didn't "work heel". Of course, being Flair, he ends with "I'm the best of all time".
Schnit Dick
03-07-2006, 07:11 AM
holy shit dude...couldnt you find a way to make that all one post
iSpeakEloquent
03-07-2006, 07:06 PM
yes but i just came home from work after a 10 hours shift and i was dead tired. There was no way i could follow the whole thread without breaking it up.
InternetStalker
03-08-2006, 01:49 PM
Always Bad:
Johnny Rodz
Jose Estrada
Baron Miguel Secluda
Always Good;
Steve King
Charlie Fulton
Dominque Dunucci
Bruno Sammartino
iSpeakEloquent
03-08-2006, 03:53 PM
Always Bad:
Johnny Rodz
Jose Estrada
Baron Miguel Secluda
Always Good;
Steve King
Charlie Fulton
Dominque Dunucci
Bruno Sammartino
finally some legends :icon_roll
bruno is a heel now behind the scenes as he refuses to do anything with wwe because of the way that treated his no talent son. He looked like fuckin George Costanza
Beer Gut
03-09-2006, 12:52 AM
Iron Sheik was face in the gimmick battle royal at WM20(?)
he could barely walk and the crowd went nuts when he won.
iSpeakEloquent
03-09-2006, 02:35 AM
no he played the heel although not too good, sgt slaughter was the face as he always was in that feud.
InternetStalker
03-09-2006, 12:55 PM
finally some legends :icon_roll
bruno is a heel now behind the scenes as he refuses to do anything with wwe because of the way that treated his no talent son. He looked like fuckin George Costanza
Yeah Bruno is being a tool. David Sammartino stunk. As does David Flair.
Something with the Davids I guys.
iSpeakEloquent
03-09-2006, 01:49 PM
all the 2nd and 3rd generation wrestlers, they all think they can do it, but can't. For all the Rocks, Ortons, Jarretts, Hennigs, there are a ton of Sammartinos, Flairs, Singhs etc...
ex. "Now batting for the Long Island Ducks, with a .119 average, Pete Rose Jr.
Legend of Snuka
03-12-2006, 09:26 PM
The Bushwhackers were actually pretty nasty heels back in the day...I think they were in like Mid South wrestling or something....They were known as the Sheepherders
iSpeakEloquent
03-14-2006, 09:36 PM
sheepherding much more heelish than wacking bush
Mick32
03-15-2006, 06:55 AM
They also wrestled as the Kiwis for years and were about as heelish as they came. There's a Kiwis clip on the Bret Hart DVD I think.
ChlorofirmDiva
03-19-2006, 04:56 PM
Im going to go back to tag teams, but werent the british bulldogs always face? Back in them days,the hart foundation was always heel no matter what and i dont believe they had the time to turn the dynamite kid heel before he died.
Mick32
03-19-2006, 07:34 PM
The Bulldogs, I think, worked heel in Calgary and Japan. And Dynamite Kid is alive, it's Davey Boy who's dead.
CrazyMrPoopSex
03-19-2006, 08:18 PM
Kane? Undertaker?
Baby Evil
03-20-2006, 07:01 AM
Kane? Undertaker?
Some wrestlers defy the "heel/face" tag. I would say that the Undertaker is one of those as is Ric Flair, because even when they are supposedly a face they stil do some very hellish things.
Kane however is a face now.
JakeYourBooty
03-23-2006, 02:52 AM
Earthquake and Typhoon were faces by proxy when they were dumped by Jimmy Hart.
the only wrestlers who never worked heel are the Von Erichs and Ricky Steamboat, Tom Zenk HillBilly Jim. The Rock & Roll Express never worked heel either as far as tag teams go.
the only wrestlers who never worked face were The Iron Sheik, Rick Rude, One Man Gang, Honky Tonk Man,
the von erics you were right about
ricky steamboat also never was a heel
tom zenk like someone said who cares
Hillbilly Jim always a face
the rock n roll express however u are wrong they were heels as part of jim cornette's NWA invasion angle when they feuded with the Headbangers
also ricky morton was a heel as part of the York Foundation when he was Richard Morton (sidenote Alexandria York later became Marlena in the WWE)
Sheik's royal rumble thing doesnt count he was always a heel with a crappy mustache
rick rude was never a face and one of the best heels of all time RIP
Honky Tonk Man was actually a face when he first came out but the fans hated him so much cuz his gimmick was so fuckin lame that hey made him a heel.
One Man Gang aka Akeen the African Dream was always a heel but a funny one in that yellow moo moo
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others i can thinks of
ALWAYS HEEL
Outlaw Ron Bass
Cuban Assasin
Haku
The New Zealand Malitia
Buzz Sawyer(RIP)
Butch Reed
Adrian Adonis
Jesse the Body Ventura
Dino Bravo (RIP)
the quebecers aka the amazing french canadians
Bad News Brown
Big Bully Busick
Blackjack Mulligan
Beverly Brothers AKA The Wrecking Crew
Disco Inferno
bunkhouse buck
bull buchanan
dick slater
great kabuki
ALWAYS FACE
Patriot
Sting
Sam Houston
Blue Blazer
magnum ta
greg gagne
uncle elmer
ultimate warrior
chief jay strongbow
wahoo mcdaniel
ivan putski
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also since i cant make a new thread i wanted to post my thoughts on the top heels of all time
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this is just a list of what i feel were the greatest heels of all time
Ravishing Rick Rude - Rick Rude was so good as a heel that he was a career heel never once going the babyface route. His feuds were legendary and his arrogance unmatched. He may not have originated insulting the crowd but he sure perfected it.
"All you fat out of shape losers turn around and let your wife look at what a real man looks like"
f'n priceless...and one last classic heel move..during his feud with jake the snake he puts a picture of jake's wife on the front of his tights right on the crotch...but he doesnt just wear them to the ring he wore another pair of tights on the outside and after he dominates his opponent on "Saturday Nights Main Event" he climbs the ring post and reveals the new tights to the crowd...followed soon by the Snake storming the ring.
Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase - proving everybody has a price made Dibiase hated with such btterness that u would be hard to find a man hated more by the WWF fans...eVEr! Parading slobs and white trash up on stage and making them do ridiculous things for money was a norm for him, and he usually ended the skit by stuffing money in there mouth.Pure heel GOLD.
Mr Perfect Curt Hennig - Mr Perfect was a superb athlete and he let u know it. With vignettes running every week for months until he made his debut he showed off that he truly was perfect in each and every sport. Golf hole in ones and impossible basketball shots were nothing for the perfect one. Always with a towel on his shoulder and spitting out his gum then swatting it with his hand his swagger was nothing short of heel perfection.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan - Hulk Hogan did the unthinkable. He turned his back on the hulkamaniacs. The Real American was dead. Was this a last ditch effort by a legend who was way past his time to try and become relevant again? Yes is most certainly was. But nontheless it worked. Hollywood Hogan was the most despicable man in wrestling after being the babyface of all babyfaces for damn near 20 years. I loved the nWo they were the cool heels.But I hated Hogan. thats why he's on here.
HHH the GAME - Say what you want about HHH but there is no denying that this man lives breaths and eats heel heat, In a day and age where wrestlers flip flop with there face/heel status and when even the faces act like heels and the heels act like faces HHH has stayed true to being a heel a classic oldschool heel there is never any doubt as to wether or not HHH is a heel. He is without a doubt the single greatest heel since the 80's. No one can match his ruthlessness his arrogance or his attitude. Put that in with the fact that the smarks hate him cuz he is married to the bosses daughter and you have a hatred that few wrestlers could ever match. Almost everyone hates this man.He is that damn good and has proven it over and over again. HHH RULES!
The Orgiginal 4 Horsemen - Ric Flair Tully Blanchard Arn Anderson & Ole Anderson were the orginal 4 Horseman. They created the heal faction that was the blueprint for so many more to follow. They talked the talk and walked the walk. They attacked people from behind and beat them 4 on 1. They were never alone and always had each others back. They knew their roles in the group Flair was HW Title Contender, Tully was the US contender and the Anderson were the Tag Team. None of them ever wanted the others
gold. They were brash and arrogant and always went after whoever they wanted. They don't make heel factions like they used to.
The Rougheous - "We are ALL AMERICAN BOYS yes just all American boys" sang these 2 canadian born brothers Jacques and Raymond Rougheau they were a lame ass face tag team until one fateful day they decided to become American Posers and embrace cheating. After that they became a regular in the tag team title scene and an all out riot to watch.Unfortunatly Raymond's career was cut short due to injury, but Jacques lived on as a major heel u may remember known as The Mountie. Who was in his own right a extremely hated and legendary heel who introduced the wrestling world to the cattle prod.
Los Guereros - "We Lie We Cheat We Steal" nuff said.
Y2J - Babyface Jericho the Lionheart Jericho fuckin sucked big fat donkey balls.Then he snapped. The man of 1001 holds was awesome. The ayatollah of rock n rollah ruled. Having Lenny Lane pretend to be him against Goldberg was genius.When he's heel he's priceless. One of the best all time. Just to bad he has to flip flop but even when he's a face he's still a heel. Kind of the way it is in the wrestling world today.
Rick The Model Martel - How are you not gonna be a huge success as a heel when your gimmick is being a male model? But not only did he exude arrogance he also made Arrogance(his own cologne) which in a timeless heel move he used to blind jake the snake roberts leading to the first blindfold match in PPV history.Also Rick became a hedl for the first time after doing the classic "turn on your partner at there most vulnerable time" move. Leaving Tito Santana fucked royally.
Mick32
03-23-2006, 06:30 AM
Most of the mentions you have are incorrect.
"the von erics you were right about"
Kerry and I think Kevin were heels in Memphis
David worked heel in Florida
"ricky steamboat also never was a heel"
didn't Steamboat work heel in ROH like two years ago as a commisioner?
"Sheik's royal rumble thing doesnt count he was always a heel with a crappy mustache"
I'm pretty sure that he was a face when he first started in the AWA as his real name.
"rick rude was never a face and one of the best heels of all time RIP"
Rude was a tremendous heel, but he definitely worked face right before he was injured and as a manager in ECW, where he was going against Shane Douglas at first. Not that there really was a face/heel distinction in ECW.
ALWAYS HEEL
Outlaw Ron Bass -- face in Florida
Haku -- face in both WCW and WWF
The New Zealand Malitia -- isn't this group the Bushwackers?
Buzz Sawyer(RIP) -- definitely a face in Georgia
Butch Reed -- worked face a lot
Dino Bravo (RIP) -- worked face a lot
the quebecers aka the amazing french canadians -- Rougeau worked face a lot
Blackjack Mulligan -- back and forth a lot
Disco Inferno -- face in WCW for a little while
bunkhouse buck -- worked face under another identity
dick slater -- changed back and forth all the time
ALWAYS FACE
Sting -- started as a heel
Blue Blazer -- you know he was Owen Hart, right?
uncle elmer -- I think he worked as Kamala II or something (yes, I know he's white)
ultimate warrior -- started as heel with Sting
wahoo mcdaniel -- his heel turn was huge in the 80s
JakeYourBooty
03-23-2006, 10:25 AM
i have been corrected
but sir i was trying to keep it mostly to the big feds AWA, NWA, WWE, ECW
evil commisioner gigs and manger gigs i wasnt counting either...but u sir know your wrastling and i commend you.....the blue blazer thing i know was owen hart but i thought people were talking about charecters
new zealand malitia was rip morgan and jacko victory
Mick32
03-23-2006, 03:29 PM
"Jacko" Victory -- NICE
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