Iran issues stark military warning to United States

[Towelie]

Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States.

"You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures.

"The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.

The United States accuses Iran of using an atomic energy drive as a mask for weapons development. Last weekend US news reports said President George W. Bush's administration was refining plans for preventive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"I would advise them to first get out of their quagmire in Iraq before getting into an even bigger one," General Safavi said with a grin.

"We have American forces in the region under total surveillance. For the past two years, we have been ready for any scenario, whether sanctions or an attack."

Iran announced this week it had successfully enriched uranium to make nuclear fuel, despite a UN Security Council demand for the sensitive work to be halted by April 28.

The Islamic regime says it only wants to generate atomic energy, but enrichment can be extended to make the fissile core of a nuclear warhead -- something the United States is convinced that "axis of evil" member Iran wants to acquire.

At a Friday prayer sermon in Tehran, senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Janati simply branded the US as a "decaying power" lacking the "stamina" to block Iran's ambitions.

And hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told AFP that a US push for tough United Nations sanctions was of "no importance."

"She is free to say whatever she wants," the president replied when asked to respond to comments by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice highlighting part of the UN charter that provides for sanctions backed up by the threat of military action.

"We give no importance to her comments," he said with a broad smile.

On Thursday, Rice said that faced with Iran's intransigence, the United States "will look at the full range of options available to the United Nations."

"There is no doubt that Iran continues to defy the will of the international community," Rice said, after Iran also dismissed a personal appeal from the UN atomic watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief must give a report at the end of April on Iranian compliance with the Security Council demand. In Tehran he said that after three years of investigations Iran's activities were "still hazy and not very clear."

Although the United States has been prodding the council to take a tough stand against the Islamic republic, including possible sanctions, it has run into opposition from veto-wielding members Russia and China.

Representatives of the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany are to meet in Moscow Tuesday to discuss the crisis.

In seeking to deter international action, Iran has been playing up its oil wealth, its military might in strategic Gulf waters and its influence across the region -- such as in Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

At the Tehran conference, Iran continued to thumb its nose at the United States and Israel.

"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat," Ahmadinejad told the gathering of regime officials, visiting Palestinian militant leaders and foreign sympathizers.

"Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated," said Ahmadinejad, whose regime does not recognise Israel and who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

Unfazed by his critics, the hardliner went on to repeat his controversial stance on the Holocaust.

"If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and Holocaust being faced by the Palestinians," said the president, who had previously dismissed as a "myth" the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II.

"I tell the governments who support Zionism to ... let the migrants (Jews) return to their countries of origin. If you think you owe them something, give them some of your land," he said.

Iran's turbaned supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also accused the United States of seeking to place the entire region under Israeli control.

"The plots by the American government against Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon aimed at governing the Middle East with the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed," Khamenei said.

There was no immediate reaction from Washington, but French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy severely condemned Ahmadinejad for his latest remarks on Israel.

"As I have had occasion to do before, when the Iranian president made similar statements, I condemn these inacceptable remarks in the strongest possible terms," Douste-Blazy said in a statement.

"Israel's right to exist and the reality of the Holocaust should not be disputed," he added.



http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/15/060415084241.xdv0o3w3.html

[tattered]

oh this is good news..........

[Bunny™]

The US should just revoke their Paltalk privlages, that would be more effective than a nuke.
Fucking sandmonkeys.

[B54]

Ahmadinejad is just asking to die. Wow, a nuke, you can do a lot with one. Considering we have enough now to blow up the Earth 29 times, I have no idea who he is trying to threaten.

[BCH]

Time to dust off the ol' "Fuck Iran" buttons from the 80's!
I sure would like to see a few sheet clad animals try to fly their rusted 1980s MIGs against our shit.

Mine says "Khomeini is a schmuck" I still have it too :)

It doesn't apply anymore unfortunately.

[MrBogey]

This dumb fuck seems to have forgotten that we can lay waste to his shithole country without a boot being 1000 miles from his borders.


We can't do that any more because when it comes to doing what needs to be done America pusses out. They know that.

[Kyle]

At this point, I'm not sure we would have the manpower to wage a ground war in Iran, maintain Iraq, and Afghanistan.

And as far as strategically bombing goes, I've got to think the nuclear sites, which are the main target, are hidden underground.

We could sure as hell do damage, but I don't know if we could accomplish the goal of disarming them at this point.

And for those who go with the "nuke the motherfuckers" mentality, the reprecussions of that would be felt throughout the globe. Don't think for a second India, Pakistan, China, Russia, and North Korea wouldn't see that as a free pass to use theirs in their military disputes and before you know it, you're faced with a shitstorm of new problems.

[Bunny™]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3764/ayatshirt0id.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stern Zombies are obsessed with relics from the 80's.
I bet there are a few of these hanging around their parents basements along with their overszized Sirius units.

[THE FEZ MAN]

yea i have to dig up my Ayatollah is an assahola shirts, the real bummer is unless they accualy attack us on our own soil i dont think the american public has the stomach for a real "killem all" war.

[YourAmishDaddy]

This too, will pass... What will come out of this is a blockade. Which will tone down the rhetoric, but dole out enough ass ****** for all of us. Especially us because we'll be paying over 4 dollars a gallon. The hot heads who want to urge along the apocalypse have a way of forgetting there are two countries that have a stake in this. Namely China and Russia. And please save the "they can't beat us" talk, because at this point Russia doesn't want this in their backyard, China wants to earn some points. Next to worse case scenario is another cold war. A realignment. Which I'm sure these idiots running this country wanted in the first place. The saving grace of it though will be with Russia and China in a forward position with their own weapons in Iran, Iran will then cease their nuclear goals.

[Kyle]

EDIT: nevermind...fucked up...continue on with the discussion

[Fruit Monkey]

I sure ain't no fan of President Bush these days and I think the war in Iraq is a mess and the troops are "vulnerable" over there as this sand monkey has stated in his li'l speech. BUT! Do these savage fucking assholes know what we can do with just air power?

It's really hard to roadside bomb an F-117 or F-18. Maybe you can strap an explosive belt to your ass and jump really high to get that B-52.
This dumb fuck seems to have forgotten that we can lay waste to his shithole country without a boot being 1000 miles from his borders.

The trouble with the war in Iraq is that we're trying to fix that fucking place.
That's where the USA gets into trouble. But, when it comes to just BREAKING shit!!! WE RULE!!!!

Time to dust off the ol' "Fuck Iran" buttons from the 80's!
I sure would like to see a few sheet clad animals try to fly their rusted 1980s MIGs against our shit.


wow i get to quote wbl

wow fuck iran buttons hey do you have an odd or even plate .... i can hear my father yelling at my brother for getting a even plate on his first car now you can only get gas 3 days a week. yea and ?

as far as us there fixing the problem in iraq. This because we are in this situation because we didn't the first time we were there. (suppling arms) If i remember correctly osama got his attitude because we left after we armed them to kick the shit out of Russia. That is what he says atleast i am sure he would have have his issues with us had we stayed and helped. good or bad i backed Bush when he first went in and i have to say i still do. Fuck this I am a child of the 70's i grew up with having to watch the news nightly and here what plane was hi jakcked who blew up who. Fuck them all stay there until they can beg sit and put the little treat on their noses and flip it off and catch it in their mouths.

To those who complain about our men dying for no reason . i am sorry to say when u join the military it aint just for a college degree or training. you do swear to lay your life down to defend your country no matter what reason as long as the Presidents says so. Period. Im sorry but that is the truth i Thank our tropps daily for my freedom and dont take it for granted i could not do what they do, and respect what they do.

That said to quote wbl from WNEW days "we should nuke that place turn the sand into glass so we can see the oil"

[BigDickGuzinya]

You can't negotiate with a fanatic,you kill a raghead he becomes a martyr and inspires 100 more.I can't for the life of me figure out what they think they gain by provoking us.We could kick their collective asses anytime we feel like it but maybe we can't because of the present geopolitical situation.Do they know this?Maybe it's like you run into Mike Tyson on the street and start fucking with him cause you know he really can't risk responding how he would like to.

[Coffee Diva]

I sure ain't no fan of President Bush these days

Communist. :action-sm

[abudabit]

They ain't so tuff without thier flying carpets. What our military needs to do to prepare is breed about 10 million moths.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Another factor in this is really Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself. Here in America Bush is sporting around a 36% approval rating, which is horrible, but in Iran Ahmadinejad is about half that. The guy's whole platform was a lie. He ran on rebuilding the economy, now they're in a deep recession and this idiot is talking about an arm's race. The people there want to eat, they could give a crap about nuclear weapons. Given a bit of time he's out.

I know people love to vent, but the fact remains Iran is vastly different from a lot of the yahoo idiots in that region. Persians by and large hate Arabs. Most of them resent Islam because Islam is not native to Persia. It's much like the Protestant vs Catholics. And I can assure you, many here hate Arabs, none of you could even come close to the hatred a true Persian has.

You're more likely to see this guy lynched before too long.Old leaders are against him, the youth are against him, even some of his followers are now backing away from this nut. It kind of follows the same line we have here with Bush.

[mascan42]

Maybe it's like you run into Mike Tyson on the street and start fucking with him cause you know he really can't risk responding how he would like to.
Except Tyson is too crazy to give a fuck about consequences.
They ain't so tuff without thier flying carpets. What our military needs to do to prepare is breed about 10 million moths.
Thanks. Now I have soda sprayed all over my monitor.

[Tommy Ceez]

Yeah, thier nuclear facilities are buried in mountains....thats what battlefield nuclear tipped bunker busters are for.

If we didnt want to rebuild Iraq, it wouldnt have existed after 20 days.

BTW, destroying Irans nuclear program would be a nice kickstart to the eventual student revolt thats been brewing for the last 10+ years.

Theres a cool documentry by some french dude about young people in Iran....to a man, everyone under 30 thinks thier government is shit and all the adults are religious freaks.

[YourAmishDaddy]

You're absolutely correct. Iran is a lot different than the other countries in that region. The "democracy" people speak about is actually occuring there. It's a few old imam religious nutjobs and the Ayatollah trying to hold onto power through a geeky loudmouth. The people there are not going to back this guy if it means their economy will continue to collapse. I will say that one has to be careful with the bombing thing. Because the same younger generation that hates the religionists and are pretty accomodating to us can just as easily turn against us if we bomb.

[Ant's_rapier]

Ahmadinejad is just asking to die. Wow, a nuke, you can do a lot with one. Considering we have enough now to blow up the Earth 29 times, I have no idea who he is trying to threaten.

When you say "we" do you mean the US or the good ol' CCCP(the only real advesary to the US.):action-sm

[Diceman Cometh]

sheet clad animals

You've always had a way with words.

[B54]

When you say "we" do you mean the US or the good ol' CCCP(the only real advesary to the US.):action-sm



It could work either way. However, the Russians will not do anything because they are too busy handling there own people. The economy has been lagging recently and even though a war would jump start it, Putin would not risk it. The Russian people would not support a war against Iran right now. They are the people that wait for something to happen and try to avoid conflict for as long as possible, even though it seems inevitable. It is the Russian way.


EDIT: Sorry for the double post.

[BIV]

Sounds like it's time for some small black ops teams with Chinese or Russian sniper rifles to take out this asshole and then plant evidence that points to one of those countries. Then Russia and China can be outraged, and Iran can be outraged and the U.S. can be outraged and everyone goes home happy.

[Ant's_rapier]

Sounds like it's time for some small black ops teams with Chinese or Russian sniper rifles to take out this asshole and then plant evidence that points to one of those countries. Then Russia and China can be outraged, and Iran can be outraged and the U.S. can be outraged and everyone goes home happy.

Thats outrageous.:icon_mrgr

[MrBogey]

You're absolutely correct. Iran is a lot different than the other countries in that region. The "democracy" people speak about is actually occuring there. It's a few old imam religious nutjobs and the Ayatollah trying to hold onto power through a geeky loudmouth. The people there are not going to back this guy if it means their economy will continue to collapse. I will say that one has to be careful with the bombing thing. Because the same younger generation that hates the religionists and are pretty accomodating to us can just as easily turn against us if we bomb.

If we do have to military confront Iran we need to do a complete avoidance of any form of occupation. Just use technology to decimate communication centers, every police station in major cities, weapon caches, etc. Let the country's dominant figures lose all their ability to enforce theitr rule. The country will quickly fall into civil war and the popular secularist in the country will come to dominance with the right covert backing. The mullahs don't enjoy even a fraction of the popular support Saddam had.

[TimTA95]

Yeah, thier nuclear facilities are buried in mountains....thats what battlefield nuclear tipped bunker busters are for.

If we didnt want to rebuild Iraq, it wouldnt have existed after 20 days.

BTW, destroying Irans nuclear program would be a nice kickstart to the eventual student revolt thats been brewing for the last 10+ years.

Theres a cool documentry by some french dude about young people in Iran....to a man, everyone under 30 thinks thier government is shit and all the adults are religious freaks.

There is a problem with the nuclear bunker busters as you can see here in this link:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

[YourAmishDaddy]

If we do have to military confront Iran we need to do a complete avoidance of any form of occupation. Just use technology to decimate communication centers, every police station in major cities, weapon caches, etc. Let the country's dominant figures lose all their ability to enforce theitr rule. The country will quickly fall into civil war and the popular secularist in the country will come to dominance with the right covert backing. The mullahs don't enjoy even a fraction of the popular support Saddam had.

What I pray is it never comes to that. I know the prevailing winds nowadays in america is war to solve every international problem though, but thankfully the tide is changing.

[Fendbass22]

Gee. Who couldn't see this coming. We do dumb things like invade Iraq and other countries get pissed. As far as Im concerned I hope Iran nukes Washington. They need a taste of their own medicine.

Maybe when we get hit hard (and id say we're about due) Washington will never attack other countries that had nothing out for us.

[MrBogey]

Gee. Who couldn't see this coming. We do dumb things like invade Iraq and other countries get pissed. As far as Im concerned I hope Iran nukes Washington. They need a taste of their own medicine.

Maybe when we get hit hard (and id say we're about due) Washington will never attack other countries that had nothing out for us.

Way to go dickface. You just nuked any chance you had of making a dent in others perceptions.

[Coffee Diva]

Gee. Who couldn't see this coming. We do dumb things like invade Iraq and other countries get pissed. As far as Im concerned I hope Iran nukes Washington. They need a taste of their own medicine.

Maybe when we get hit hard (and id say we're about due) Washington will never attack other countries that had nothing out for us.

"We"? I notice you didn't openly hope for Maine to get nuked.

[Jerry1]

My major concern with taking Iran on is one question. All those terrorrist nutjobs in Israel that suicide bombs buses full of innocent people? Or all those other bombing over there that happen daily? Those ones? Who funds them anyway? IRAN!
And what are those groups gonna do when they find their big supporter is getting pummeled into oblivion? Who they gonna target besides Israel? US!
So we won't have to worry about if terrorist attacks on our subways or buses anymore. Cause they will happen.
Figure out a plan for that and I'm all for taking Iran on. They are a bigger threat to us than Iraq ever was.

[WaddleDoodle]

Gee. Who couldn't see this coming. We do dumb things like invade Iraq and other countries get pissed. As far as Im concerned I hope Iran nukes Washington. They need a taste of their own medicine.

Maybe when we get hit hard (and id say we're about due) Washington will never attack other countries that had nothing out for us.


So you are saying that I need to die to solve the world's problems? Way to go.


On a side note: Nuke in Wash, XM goes bye bye.

[YourAmishDaddy]

All those terrorrist nutjobs in Israel that suicide bombs buses full of innocent people? Or all those other bombing over there that happen daily? Those ones? Who funds them anyway? IRAN!

If that's the case there won't be much happening then because we fund them more than Iran does. Like the PLO for instance..

Calmo...

Some of you guys are sounding like the conspiracy theory peoople...

[Towelie]

Gee. Who couldn't see this coming. We do dumb things like invade Iraq and other countries get pissed. As far as Im concerned I hope Iran nukes Washington. They need a taste of their own medicine.

Maybe when we get hit hard (and id say we're about due) Washington will never attack other countries that had nothing out for us.


Nuke fucking Maine

Not only will this asshole be dead, by there will be some serious nuclear fallout into Canada


2 Birds, One Stone

[YourAmishDaddy]

Not that I'd advocate it, but would anyone really miss Washington DC? or Maine?

[WaddleDoodle]

I'd miss not being alive. My university is 4 blocks from the White House

[tattered]

I'd miss not being alive. My university is 4 blocks from the White House

sorry about your luck there buck

[Fendbass22]

Nuke fucking Maine

Not only will this asshole be dead, by there will be some serious nuclear fallout into Canada


2 Birds, One Stone

No one here could understand that I ment that figuratively. I guess I'll spell it out.

Obviously I wouldn't want anyone to die in or around washington. What I am saying is that Bush can sit here and make the decision to go to Iraq without it effecting him at all. Still go on vaca, spend time with his family and friends, and biggest of all he's alive. Here are all these innocent people in Iraq whose lives are all fucked up, tens of thousands dead. Irrational decisions are made without thinking about consequences to others by our government and they need to feel some of the wrath they create (FIGURATIVELY again... FIGURATIVELY).

If Bush lost family members in the war and asked if he could take it back, im sure the answer would be yes. I doubt he would sit there and say his family members died for "freedom" and it was worth it.

And to everyone who seriously felt I want to nuke you and your area...fuck you.

[Jerry1]

If that's the case there won't be much happening then because we fund them more than Iran does. Like the PLO for instance..

Calmo...

Some of you guys are sounding like the conspiracy theory peoople...

Oh really...check this out then.....
Iranians volunteer for "martyrdom missions" By Parisa Hafezi
Sun Apr 16, 11:52 AM ET



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Some 200 Iranians have volunteered in the past few days to carry out "martyrdom missions" against U.S. and British interests if Iran is attacked over its nuclear program, a hardline group said on Sunday.

The United States and other Western nations accuse Iran of seeking to master enrichment technology to build atomic weapons, a charge Iran denies. Washington says it wants a diplomatic solution, but has not ruled out a military option.

Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman for the Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign, said fresh fears over a possible U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear sites helped attract volunteers during its latest recruitment drive.

"Because of the recent threats, we have started to register more volunteers since Friday," Samadi told Reuters by telephone.

"Some 200 people have registered to carry out operations against our enemies. America and Britain are definitely considered enemies."

Chanting "Death to America" and "Nuclear technology is our right," volunteers registered their names at the former American Embassy in southern Tehran on Sunday.

They signed a document called "Registration form for martyrdom-seeking operations" and pledged to "defend the Islamic Republic's interests."

"We will give a good lesson to those who dare to attack our country," said Ali, a 25-year-old masked volunteer, after filling out registration form.

When asked why he had covered his face, Ali said: "I do not want to be recognized when traveling abroad to harm American and British interests."

TENS OF THOUSANDS REGISTERED

The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign, which says it has no affiliation with the government, was formed in 2004. Since then Samadi said some 52,000 people have signed up to be involved in possible attacks.

The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets if Iran is attacked.

"The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade," the report said.

But Samadi denied the report.

"The Revolutionary Guards have no links to martyrdom-seeking operations. We are the only martyrdom seeking group in Iran," he said. "And we are an independent group."

No Iranians are thought to have directly executed suicide bombings in recent years. But the United States has accused Iran of being a state sponsor of terrorism.

In Sunday's New York Times a former White House counterterrorism expert said Iran's response to any U.S. military attack would be to use "its terrorist network to strike American targets around the world."

"Iran has forces at its command far superior to anything al Qaeda was ever able to field," wrote former White House counter terror chief Richard Clarke and former State Department official Steven Simon.

The "martyrdom" registration coincided with a conference on the Palestinian cause. Iran has refused to recognize Israel and supports anti-Israeli groups like Hamas and Hizbollah.

Inside the embassy, the walls were decorated with pictures of Palestinian suicide bombers. Videos of Israeli army attacks on Palestinians were shown on a wide screen. Books and CDs on the Palestinian uprising were also for sale.

In 1979, the then-American embassy was seized and its staff were taken hostage by militant students in 1979. The 52 hostages were freed after 444 days in captivity.

This is what I'm talking about.....and don't think they will limit themselves to just Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait and the Middle East.

Hamas and Hezbollah are both backed by Iran....and they are worse than the PLO

[ScarAss]

Let's stop joking and face the truth.

Iran is a big user of the Human Wave Attack tactic. If you don't know what this means, just imagine the huge armies in the Lord of the Rings movies, except, they do this with bombs strapped to themselves. Those who say there is little support for the Iranian government in Iran are incredibly arrogant. If Iran is attacked, hundreds of thousands, or more probably, millions, will volunteer for martyrdom. And now that Iran is manufacturing weapons-grade uranium, I'm sure they'll happily make dirty-bomb jackets or suit-case nukes. And with our incredibly weak borders, war with Iran is probably the dumbest thing ever concieved by the American government and citizenry. The only way we could possibly when the war is by turning Persia into a sheet of glass, imprisoning or deporting every muslim immigrant in the country, and termporarily make legal immigration to the US impossible. But all of that is out of the question. It is the second Cold War, my friends.

[Coffee Diva]

First, I'm having extreme trouble believing that there would be literally millions of kooks in Iran willing to off themselves for Allah.

But far more important is that it would only take one single successful Iranian dirty bomber for the rules of the game to change spectacularly overnight. If that were to ever happen in any major Western city, it would be all-out war (the good old-fashioned kind) against Iran as soon as we managed to confirm the signature of the bomb ingredients and/or the home of the bomber. And it wouldn't be just the US going in either; one dirty bomb would be more than enough to cause economic shockwaves far worse than anything caused by 9/11.

[B54]

Obviously I wouldn't want anyone to die in or around washington. ...
And to everyone who seriously felt I want to nuke you and your area...fuck you.

Yes, a nuclear warhead dropped in Washington D.C. would only hit George Bush and no one else would die. All this war does not effect him so he should learn a lesson. That was a pretty egotistical comment to make, the war effects everyone, including Bush, maybe not directly, but it affects the economy, foreign policy, his poll numbers, and his overall power in Washington.

And everyone thinks that because that is what you implied.

[MrBogey]

Those who say there is little support for the Iranian government in Iran are incredibly arrogant.

But it is the truth. They have riots in at least one major city every couple days. The only reason why they stay in power is through inertia and arms. It's why the black market in Iran is so strong. People simply do not respect the gov't unless they feel they are being watched.

[Fendbass22]

war effects everyone

Heres the point as you said it. War effects everyone. Thats why before attacking a country that was friendly with us this administration should have thought how this was going to effect everyone - especially our relationships with other countries.

I wonder how it feels being a country who has a good relationship with the US. They must wonder if we are going to invade and destroy everything they have worked hard to create. And they can't say it won't happen...cause it did.

[Jerry1]

But it is the truth. They have riots in at least one major city every couple days. The only reason why they stay in power is through inertia and arms. It's why the black market in Iran is so strong. People simply do not respect the gov't unless they feel they are being watched.

That's true enough. Something similar happend in Iraq about 16 years ago too. When the people got tired of the Shah and his secret police and ousted him to put Khomeini in charge.
Maybe with time history will repeat itself....

[ScarAss]

But it is the truth. They have riots in at least one major city every couple days. The only reason why they stay in power is through inertia and arms. It's why the black market in Iran is so strong. People simply do not respect the gov't unless they feel they are being watched.


Sounds like Pre-War Iraq to me. We sure do look like liberators, don't we? I can guarantee you the government's support is in the millions. It'll be even higher once a few "percision guided missiles" hit a few hospitals during the "Shock & Awe" campaigne, though.

We should let Israel handle this war. If we set on our asses long enough, they'll take the reigns anyways.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Oh really...check this out then.....
Iranians volunteer for "martyrdom missions" By Parisa Hafezi
Sun Apr 16, 11:52 AM ET





I'm fully aware of that story. If you want to live in fear, have at it. The key to this story is all this doomsday nonsense goes down, if we fuck with them..

Seems pretty simple the choice.

Now I say anyone wanting to quench the bloodthirst that everyone seems to have these days is welcome to it. Suit up and head on over there. But I'm sick of the empire building.

[MrBogey]

Sounds like Pre-War Iraq to me. We sure do look like liberators, don't we?


Iraq had various ethnic groups fighting for control. What ethnic groups do we have in Iran? What would the schizms be?

The problem with Iraq right now is there are many different groups vying for power. American soldeirs are caught in the middle of it trying to keep a stable coalition gov't together. Their having to stay is the main reason why there is growing dissatisfaction among the populace.

As I said, we need to do a no-occupation decapitation of the Iranian gov't. Let them have an internal civil war. The victors will definitely not be theocratic fanatics. That's all that matters to us. Without the glue of fanatical Islam the Persians will not support Arab insanity as earnestly as they do now.

[NJshawn]

Iran is a joke and there leader is just trying to gain power in the Middle East by standing up to America and Israel. We know where the reactors are and Iran knows that. We don't need to play his game, however Bush is too stupid not to play the game. Worse comes to worse we lob a couple hundred cruise missles to show them who they are fucking with.

[HumpX]

This is exactly why the war in Iraq is screwing things up. We're now at a point with this lunatic that we may actually NEED to slap these idiots around but half our fucking military is hung up trying to bring "democracy" to the fucking animals in Iraq.

Whats happening now is Russia and China who no doubt realize the problems allowing Iran having Nukes will bring but they are making sure that we'll have to be the ones to be the bad guys by pushing for sanctions. Its politically smart but it sucks for us.

BTW, yes they Do realize what we "could" do to them but they know we won't because the price would be far too high. Nuking a coubtry like Iran even in a limited capacity would be political suicide and would more than likely drag the entire world into a religious war (not to mention completely destabilizing the world economy)

[MrBogey]

If we had the full military uncommitted we'd still not run troops in. Iran doesn't need a ground war to unseat the gov't.

[B54]

Heres the point as you said it. War effects everyone. Thats why before attacking a country that was friendly with us this administration should have thought how this was going to effect everyone - especially our relationships with other countries.

I wonder how it feels being a country who has a good relationship with the US. They must wonder if we are going to invade and destroy everything they have worked hard to create. And they can't say it won't happen...cause it did.

I hope you are not talking about Iraq.

[thrawn42]

Wake up. The world is already well on its way to a religious war and I've been looking down this road for awhile. It's almost like a sadist's game of chess.

The one thing I think we should be afraid of is in fact what you've touched on; what no one is willing to discuss. The "free" world may end up having to resort to tactics the likes of Stalin Russia. That's not some bullshit leftist rant. That's a reality that we have to deal with. Tactics like suicide bombing and mega-terrorism will force the issue. If not eventual segregation-like policies between Muslims and everyone else, then urban warfare and martial law with the possibility of mass civilian casualties. The battleground is almost irrelevant considering the criminal tactics of modern day Islamo-Fascism. Could be here. Could be there.

If naive douchebags like Amnesty International want to talk about war crimes, just let them wait. They'll be spinning their heads so fast they'll be stupid. Who's "violating international law" and "committing war crimes"? Is it the terrorists who are basing the campaigns of their warfare and murderous ideology from within a civilian populace or is it the US, EU, Russia, Israel, China,....who are battling them in the same areas?

What does this have to do with Iran? In case you haven't noticed, Iran is openly supporting what amounts to the global jihad movement. This sabre-rattling has nothing to do with gaining independence or being opposed to the bully-like policies of the US and other Western nations on the international stage. It's a clash of culture, plain and simple and these motherfuckers want to lead it. They've wanted to for a few decades now. The US and its allies just haven't been painted into the proper corner for them to make their move. Iran has been acting since the late 60's as benefactor for and proponent of Islamic terrorism.

The main player on that stage now of course is Israel. But why should we support this tiny piece of shit nation? Who cares about these Jews who want to live in the backyard of these animals? Israel is symbolic and despite the best efforts of Western thinkers and Arab propagandists to malign the country and its actions, Israel is entirely analagous to the battle that's brewing between the West and Islam. Only our battle is even worse. The Palestinian people are only beginning to align themselves with international terror causes. Their cause is still religious, but primarily nationalistic in nature. Countries like Iran and Syria, terror groups like Al Qaeda and its splinter groups represent a much larger challenge to the rest of the world. Do you think its a coincidence that Palestinian terror groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and non-Palestinian terror groups are making quite comfortable bedfellows?

The ideology that Iran and these groups present as their cause for battle represents a lot of things that the world has fought for thousands of years to break free from. If it were up to them they would take us back to a time where religious law is so untouchable that merely disobeying one of its tenets would be grounds for execution. Freedom of speech? Religious freedom? Forget about it. All this shit that these morons bitch about like the Patriot Act girding our civil liberties, would be piddly nonsense compared to the reality that these guys want to bring about.

If you want to get a good picture of Iran then I suggest you start paying attention to its media, its leaders, and its military. Did you know that according to the Iranian minister in charge of handling the country's media sources like newspapers and television channels, that "freedom of speech has never been more alive in Iran." He admits that he's gotten hundreds of applications for publication permits in the past months, but really Iran only needs a few newspapers. Did you know that Iran has a very active long range missile program, the chief item of which is known as the Shahab series of missiles? You can see the President Ahmedinajad regularly taking part in military parades where these missiles are brought around for his inspection (eerily like the Soviet Union) and on which these missiles are typically d***** anti-Western slogans: "Death to the US!" "Death to the UK!" "Death to Israel!" Did you know that in Iran one of the most popular sitcoms on television is basically a virulently antisemitic show in which Jewish people are portrayed as anti-Muslim, homicidal criminals? What? You thought the Iranian leader's antisemitism and Holocaust denial was somehow new to the region? Did you know that Iran claims to be a democracy yet is really a democratic theocracy in which its (literally the name...not joking) "Supreme Leader", a senior religious leader, and his circle of clerics have the last word on all national policies?

Even more relevant to this conversation....Did you know that Iran sits on one of the largest oil reserves IN THE WORLD? Why the fuck do they need nuclear energy? They're preparing for the future when the oil runs out, right? Give me a break. You've got the country's leader (which is nothing new by the way, it just usually doesn't happen in English) coming out on the international stage and saying that it is going to annihilate Israel and that it is training 40,000 suicide bombers to attack US and British interests worldwide, and you still have these dumb fucking idiots out there thinking that these "strange, exotic" people are making the universal sign of the donut.

If Iran is allowed to maintain and increase its nuclear technology, it could possibly be one of the biggest mistakes the world has ever made. You've got these psychopaths running the government amidst a culture that unflinchingly accepts the systematic murder of innocents as a matter of fact reality and people are still trying to second-guess the innocent nature of Iran's nuclear program? If Iran gets nukes and they do the obvious: take out Tel Aviv, you've got the very real possibility of a civilization ending nuclear war. And who could blame Israel for retaliating ten-fold at that point? You've got all these murderous lunatics living around you. Why not just spread out the nuclear envelope to all of these countries who are in all likelihood at that point already mobilizing their militaries to come in for the death blow. Sooner or later the reality of nuclear devastation and fallout prevails over diplomacy and you have the all-too-cliche domino effect in which the world's superpowers become involved.

I'd say that the US and Western nations will play out the diplomacy angle to the nth degree but in reality it will have no positive outcome. The air strike possibility will be brought to the table. We should call Ahmedinajad's bluff. There are no 40,000 suicide bombers. Just over 100K of our soldiers are in Iraq, and between us and the rest of Europe we are more than capable of dealing with Iran militarily. Considering the fallout of that scenario and the possibility of attack on Israel as a result, the Islamo-fascists will have gotten what they wanted and pictured so clearly in their delusional minds: The West fighting alongside Israel.

At this point though, I see little way out of that very Black and White future. It's a depressing thought, but at least it would be nice if the so-called intelligentsia of our culture could take a little reality check and understand that embracing world peace and culture is a great thing, but it can't come at the cost of freedom and our own mortality. That fact should be plainly obvious, but unfortunately it eludes many these days; days in which we are so focused on in-fighting that we cannot, or even worse, refuse to see the forest from the trees.

To sum up: Fuck Iran.