More Proof the U.N. is a Joke

[Irishcurse]

I can't believe the U.N. has the worlds best interests in mind. U.N. Memebers regularly bash the United States on it's diplomacy. Yet they allow this...........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192065,00.htm


Iran, which is threatening the United States if it tries to block Iran's nuclear ambitions, has now been elected to — of all things — the leadership of United Nations' Disarmament Commission, which oversees international disarmament and security. At its annual meeting in New York, the Commission on Disarmament — part of the U.N.'s General Assembly — voted to make Iran a vice-chair of the commission, along with Uruguay and Chile.

This comes as Iranian officials boast that they have successfully enriched uranium, and insist the U.S. won't try to stop them since "the consequences would be too dangerous."

[Madness]

This isn't any worse than Sudan having a seat on the Human Rights Commission.

[NJshawn]

Hrm. What does Commission on Disarmament have to do with enriched uranium? They didnt say they had a nuke they said they have uranium. The UN is only a joke to Americans when they don't agree with us. Too bad we didnt listen to the UN on Iraq, thousands of soliders would still be alive.

[Death Metal Moe]

It's the idea that "Everyone is equal and everyone should get a turn." It's LIttle League but on a global scale.

Fucking idiots. You let people head comissions that they are basically the cause of the problem we're trying to stop.

[NJshawn]

It's the idea that "Everyone is equal and everyone should get a turn." It's LIttle League but on a global scale.

Fucking idiots. You let people head comissions that they are basically the cause of the problem we're trying to stop.

It’s the way Commissions work EVERYWHERE. We let Republicans on the ethics committee when alls they do is be VERY unethical. They let Democrats on the foreign affairs committee when alls they do is pussy out in every situation. It’s just the fucking way it is.

[Tommy Ceez]

It’s the way Commissions work EVERYWHERE. We let Republicans on the ethics committee when alls they do is be VERY unethical. They let Democrats on the foreign affairs committee when alls they do is pussy out in every situation. It’s just the fucking way it is.
Last time I checked, Repubs and Democrats arent holding thier seats by beheading thier opposition

[BIV]

Hrm. What does Commission on Disarmament have to do with enriched uranium? They didnt say they had a nuke they said they have uranium. The UN is only a joke to Americans when they don't agree with us. Too bad we didnt listen to the UN on Iraq, thousands of soliders would still be alive.
Do you think, for one second, that the Iranian wackos are going to just sit on enriched uranium and not make weapons? Are you insane? There are ways to get nuke reactors online in Iran without enriching the uranium themselves or they can do so with strict oversight, but they cannot be trusted to do this on thier own.

And if the UN would have had a spine in the first place, we would not be in the situation in Iraq that we are in now. The US direct action in Iraq was because the UN didn't have the balls to do something about it themselves. If you remember, we wanted the UN to lead the attack and it was their damn resolutions we were upholding when we went in.

[SOS]

Iran is trying to make weapons of mass destruction.

[YourAmishDaddy]

It's a strange world now. I like Opie's breaking down a wall concept with this one. Because people run off pure emotion with this stuff. Just like I was watching Scarborough talk like NYC was about to be nuked in hours last night. People pick this stuff up and run with it.

None of these countries, like Iran are as stupid to go head to head with a nation like America. They do know it means they will be destroyed. But the thing no one ever even fathoms is the fact many of these middleeastern countries like Iran still have some sort of trading status with us.

A dirty little secret is many of them are rebelling against us and switching to the Euro. That pisses off the powers that be here. Then we lobby against them and the cycle continues in the UN. Iran is unique at the moment because they know ultimately if they get a nuclear weapon they have more sway.

It's just like when Milosevic refused to enter into the talks about the EU, and refused to allow a pipeline run through. All of a sudden "he's a mass murderer, the Hitler of our time" and other bullshit. Then Saddam became the "Hitler of our time" Now they've begun to call Ahmadinejad the new "Hitler of our time" Strange how they're so many "new Hitlers"

It's not that I dislike my country, or am not loyal, it's that we shit on a lot of people, and this is the way they fight back. If you want to be an empire, contrary to everything the Founders set forth for America to be, learn to deal with things like this. You can't just go around telling everyone what they're going to do and not expect some sort of blowback.

[Buster H]

Hrm. What does Commission on Disarmament have to do with enriched uranium? They didnt say they had a nuke they said they have uranium. The UN is only a joke to Americans when they don't agree with us. Too bad we didnt listen to the UN on Iraq, thousands of soliders would still be alive.

In most cases, the primary use of enriched uranium is for weapons. Light water reactors for power generation can be operated with uranium that is not considered weapons grade. If they are making processing uranium for "power generation," why are they enriching it to a point where it is weapons grade?

Yes, weapons grade uranium can also be used in power plants. The uranium in all military reactors(subs and carriers) is extremely high purity. Again I ask, if it is solely for power generation, why are they so hell bent on producing weapons grade uranium.

[The Lurker]

This is the problem, for all you people who just don't get it:

This comes as Iranian officials boast that they have successfully enriched uranium, and insist the U.S. won't try to stop them since "the consequences would be too dangerous."

Iran has been making statements like that, and in some cases much more threatening, ever since this new hard-line president took over. They utterly hate us (for whatever reason, that's a whole different thread, but the fact is they hate us), and they would love nothing more than to figure out a way to attack us. It is incredibly naive to think that they don't want to, or that they won't. As we have seen over the past 50 years or so, fanatical Muslims do not fear death, and therefore they have no fear of a US retaliation. Now, Iran is filled with Muslims who are not hard-line, and were beginning to like living in a relatively free society under their previous ruler. However, the hard-liners have taken over, and their ideals are being pushed again, with fervor. I don;t want an attack on America to occur, but I would not be surprised at all if a state-sanctioned attack on us came from Iran.

So, putting them on some bullshit UN "disarmament committee" is rediculous, just as someone pointed out how moronic it is to have Sudan on a humar rights committee. The UN is pointless and is more corrupt than any government in this world. It should be dissolved.

[YourAmishDaddy]

That would have to be defined more. If you have to enrich uranium to use in reactors, then one can't say the primary reason is for weapons exclusively.

The centrifuges in Iran at the moment are only capable to produced reactor grade enriched uranium, and all with IAEA officials there. What's being reported is at some time in the future Iran will withdraw from the NPT and reconfigure the centrifuges. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

[Fendbass22]

None of these countries, like Iran are as stupid to go head to head with a nation like America. They do know it means they will be destroyed.

I think this is slowly going to deminish over the next few years. Countries are getting pissed off (especially when we say fuck the UN and start a war anyway) and it is going to be a serious problem. In our culture, no one wants to be a suicide bomber for our country. In middle eastern countries, you are looked at as a hero. With that mentality, I think the U.S. is in some deep shit.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Well, one day people will learn the reason why Congress was given the exclusive power to wage war, and not the executive branch. People will also learn that a real war in righteousness as these people want us to believe is defensive in nature. The standard is set too low. We've gone from the Redcoats being on our soil, to Pearl Harbor to merely "look over here" and that's all we need. Pre-emption will be one of the final straws in what's left of our republic. We have almost completely done a 180 from what this nation was built on.

[Stormrider666]

U.N. has been a joke, since they refused to use the word genocide, when all the killings were going on in Rwanda. Because if they would have, they would have been legally mandated to do something about it.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Well I also believe the UN is a joke, but you want to know when I started changing my take on the UN? Shortly after the Kofi Annan thing broke with the oil for food scandal. I sat there like an idiot saying "finally, we'll smack these assholes into submission" and then what happens... Bush comes out and publically backs the guy, Kofi Annan, a criminal along with his son.

Then we hear how the UN is a joke, but after Reagan pulled us out of UNESCO, Bush puts us right back in it. Not even Bill Clinton had the guts to put us back in UNESCO. We started paying UN dues again, after Jesse Helms raised the stink and we held them back in protest. And the ultimate insult to injury is how everyone who wants to justify the clusterfuck in Iraq by using UN resolutions. You can't have it both ways, saying the UN is criminal, corrupt, and has no credibility then flaunt with Resolution 1441 like it's been hand carved by Moses.

And it's always the republican party that rebukes the UN on one hand, and kisses it's ass on another. and I'll never forget the current occupant's in the White House father when he got up there and said..

" It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our Allegiance." George Herbert Walker Bush on Feb. 1, 1992

And this is the model both parties have followed. the UN will never go away, it will never be eliminated or removed from American soil. Mainly because people keep voting for the people allowing it to remain here, and at the same time complain about it being here.

[FreeTheCricket]

I consider myself to be republican-leaning (shocker), and I would NEVER say anything good about the UN. The people involved in it are a horribly corrupt bunch of assholes, and 90% of the countries in the UN utterly hate the US, and they hated us WAY before the Iraq war. It's a total sham designed to extract money from the powerful nations and put out completely meaningless resolutions that do not scare any countries at all. I really have no clue why we even give the UN 2 seconds of our time. Without the US and it's military and money, the UN would be utterly powerless. Let's just rename the UN the "USA and Friends", and stop all the smoke and mirrors.

[Irishcurse]

Well, one day people will learn the reason why Congress was given the exclusive power to wage war, and not the executive branch. People will also learn that a real war in righteousness as these people want us to believe is defensive in nature. The standard is set too low. We've gone from the Redcoats being on our soil, to Pearl Harbor to merely "look over here" and that's all we need. Pre-emption will be one of the final straws in what's left of our republic. We have almost completely done a 180 from what this nation was built on.


Yes Bush fucked up bad with Iraq. Thats what your statement is based on. To think we should sit and wait to be attacked again is just stupid. All the Military leaders( both for and against Bush) have said its not if we get attacked again but when. They can try a billion times and only have to get it right once to be successful. As long as the countries breed these savage less than human" Peace Loving Arabs of Islam" we are in danger. When a known supporter of terrorism , Iran ( BTW France and all of the EU agree they support terrorism), can threaten us with such hate. The words of those military leaders not only ring true but it pretty fucking scary.

[martianvirus]

.... They do know it means they will be destroyed. ......
You make some good points, but this one stinks and I don't like it.

This war with Muslims isn't like any other war. Russians, Germans and most other people like to be alive. Muslims don't. They are blowing themselves up in the name of Jihad like crazy.

Russia was never really a threat. They knew that we would nuke them. And they didn't want that.

Muslims think that they are going to get their virgins if they die for Allah. That's what they want.

That's why these Muslim countries are so dangerous.

[MrBogey]

...when alls they do is be...


I nominate NJShawn to be in charge of the UN Council on Grammar and Literacy.

Help a knitter out. Ya hear!

[Madness]

I just wanted to add some more UN bashing. It came out a few years ago that UN peacekeeping forces tend to ****/force into prostitution the female populations of the areas that they've been sent to protect.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Now, I'm going to outsource something here, because although I could phrase it in terms that relate better, I'm going to let the effectual "grownup" speak. Patrick J. Buchanan. Far from a "liberal"


"The problem for the president is this: What Iran is demanding it be allowed to do – enrich uranium for peaceful uses – it has every right to do under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which Iran signed, but which Israel, India, and Pakistan, all of which clandestinely produced nukes, did not.

Tehran is telling Bush: We are not going to be the only country on earth to have signed the NPT and then be told by you we cannot exercise our rights under the treaty.

While Iran did briefly suspend the conversion of "yellowcake" into uranium hexaflouride, the gaseous substance out of which enriched uranium is made, it has now restarted the process.

But there is still no hard evidence Iran has created a cascade of centrifuges to enrich uranium for peaceful power, let alone for an explosive device. Nor is there hard evidence Iran has the technology, components, or competence to weaponize a nuclear device, even if it had the highly enriched uranium to create one.

As of today, Iran is not a nuclear threat.

While the Israelis say the last chance to stop her from going nuclear is only weeks away, others says Iran is years from having the capacity to produce a bomb. Even then, it would confront foes with hundreds or thousands of such weapons.

Thus, it is hard to see how U.S. vital interests would be served by a war on Iran for asserting its rights under the NPT. Nor has Bush been authorized by Congress to launch a preventive war on Iran. The Bush "axis-of-evil" doctrine notwithstanding, we still have a Constitution.

The neocons assure us the regime would crack under an attack and Iranians would welcome us, but this is the same "cakewalk" crowd that told us the Iraqis would welcome us killing their soldier sons, occupying their country, and putting Ahmed Chalabi in Saddam's palace.

If we attack Iran, Tehran would incite the Shia to rise up and kill Americans in Iraq, and send volunteers join them, which would mean escalation and could mean a strategic disaster for the United States.

As Bush's hero Churchill said, "To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." Truman talked to Stalin, Ike to Khrushchev, Nixon to Mao. After 25 years, it's time for Bush to talk to Tehran. For neither of us would benefit from a war. "

[Irishcurse]

All good quotes. Iran cant have nukes. That is there goal. If it was only for power, they would have accepted Russia's offer to handle the plutonium. I can go search the web and come up with quotes from the left. Think for yourself instead of cutting and pasting quotes. They would love to destroy Israel. If they get a nuke they will. They won't do it themselves. They will give it to another Dune Coon to do their dirty work.


Bush lost all credibility with the war in Iraq. Kinda like chicken little, except this time even those cheese eating surrender monkey's in France are with us on this.

[MrBogey]

A nuclear bomb versus a nuclear reactor is a slgiht difference. Mainly in the fuel. A nuclear reactor has a matrix made up of a lightly enriched (read- less refined) uranium batch while a nuclear bomb has a highly enriched (read-more refined) batch. The difference beteen the two fuels is time and volume. It takes more time to seperate more uranium till you get the proper ratios. If it takes a couple months to make the uranium fuel for a reactor I think it's laughable to say it'll take anything more then a few years to make nuclear bomb fuel.

[YourAmishDaddy]

If Iran wanted nukes just for the sake of having nukes they could have just gotten them from AQ Khan.... and our lovely allies in Pakistan... It just doesn't wash. I know everyone is living in fear. But one thing about living in fear is clear thinking never occurs.

But I say go ahead and attack Iran... the ramifications of those actions will be probably the biggest mistake we've ever made in decades. But I think we deserve it. We deserve the Strait of Hormuz locked down. We deserve the price of oil hitting well over a hundred bucks a barrel. We deserve to all sit here like idiots when that gas hits 5 bucks a gallon. We deserve to have hundreds of Shia streaming into Iraq, attacking us, thus rendering an already unsuccessful war into a crushing defeat. We deserve to have that happen. And when all that finally comes to fruition, theres still a Russia and China, which benefits from that oil much more than we do.. Affected a lot more than we are... And we'll deserve it. Because all people know is "yeah yeah, get em, get em all. They couldn't tell you a Shiite from a Sunni, from a Kurd. Many can't even find the places on the map.

Why not sticking to the policy, taking are of al Qaeda and 9-11.. But I know, Israel has us wrapped around their fingers. A nation with plenty of firepower who are capable of fighting their own battles... This is what deviating from what the Constitution gets us.

Everyone wants war, few want to actually go fight it... Even fewer want to have to suffer for the mistakes. It's almost like that turkey thing Ant was talking about. Let's just kill something, anything.

The next time someone tells me about preemption. I'll say to them what Eisenhower said... you want a preemptive war, go fight it.

[Tommy Ceez]

I think this is slowly going to deminish over the next few years. Countries are getting pissed off (especially when we say fuck the UN and start a war anyway) and it is going to be a serious problem. In our culture, no one wants to be a suicide bomber for our country. In middle eastern countries, you are looked at as a hero. With that mentality, I think the U.S. is in some deep shit.

Overrated, Suicide Bombers do well in marketplaces...in an all out war...useless.