Group Wants Prof Punished for Anti-Muslim E-Mail

[FreeTheCricket]

Is he really all that wrong?? I pretty much agree with everything he said. They get upset about this and some fucking cartoons, but don't give a shit about all the horrors comitted by their race in the name of their god.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192960,00.html

LANSING, Michigan — An Islamic rights group on Monday urged Michigan State University to discipline an engineering professor for disparaging Muslims in an e-mail he sent to the school's Muslim Students' Association.

Indrek Wichman, a mechanical engineering professor, sent an e-mail to the student group Feb. 28 — apparently in response to its protests of controversial Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The students had labeled the cartoons as hate speech, not free speech.

Wichman, 50, wrote that he was protesting their protest and said he was not offended by cartoons but rather Muslims who commit suicide bombings, behead civilians, attack public buildings, burn Christian churches, kill Catholic priests in Turkey, **** Scandinavian girls and riot in France.

Wichman referred to Muslims as "dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems" and the protests as "infantile" in the e-mail. "If you do not like the values of the West . . . you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option."

Wichman declined to comment when contacted Monday by The Associated Press.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Michigan State officials should publicly denounce Wichman's statements and conduct an investigation. The results of the probe should be made public, and Wichman should at least have a letter of reprimand placed in his file, Walid said.


The group also wants Wichman and other faculty to receive sensitivity training before the fall semester.

University spokesman Terry Denbow said the school would not publicly condemn Wichman's statements because they were private and did not represent the school in any way. But he added that Wichman has been advised to be careful in the future.

[YourAmishDaddy]

The president says Islam is a peaceful religion, and darnit, that's what i'm sticking with.

[abudabit]

It is a religion of peace. What is more peaceful than a corpse?

[YourAmishDaddy]

Haha

[sclone]

At least the university isn't disciplining him...

[Fuck Crosby]

At least the university isn't disciplining him...

give it a week

[MrBogey]

Yet the left fell over themselves to defend a professor who supported terrorist groups and made anti-semetic comments citing "free speech".

Douchebags.

[ScarAss]

If anyone here had ever read the Quran, they'd know Islam is not a peaceful religion. The book basically says "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim." This explains why the middle east hasn't seen peace in 1400 years.

[YourAmishDaddy]

"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. "

George W. Bush


Thus sayeth the Lord...

[abudabit]

YAD, what do you want the president of the United States to say?

"Dear Mudslimes, Isbomb is a curse on the world."

[YourAmishDaddy]

Hmm.. nothing would work just fine.

Which is the other thing people do. "Well he has to say that" no he doesn;t, just say nothing at all. But people like liars, and being lied to. In which case I suspect this is about the most honest thing he's said in a long time. I know at least since.

I post things like that for a reason. Not to agitate people, but to show the lengths people go to defend someone who would just as soon shit on you than speak. And the few out here that ultimately care, like myself, though I don't know why anymore constantly get crap. No one ever goes after the people actually doing the most harm to the country. But they are all too willing to topple another regular Joe Schmoe.

[Screwtape]

omg, hes so not multicultural!

[SOS]

I hope he gets promoted.

[sclone]

Yet the left fell over themselves to defend a professor who supported terrorist groups and made anti-semetic comments citing "free speech".

Douchebags.

It's "blame everything blindly on the left" guy. Relax. It's an Islamic rights group protesting. What does this have to do with "the left." Blaming things on "the left" is almost as bad as saying, "Some people are saying..."

[HummerTuesdays]

Anyone know who at MSU I should write to in support of this professor?

[sclone]

It doesn't seem like he needs support, unless you want to offer him a personal message. It says that the university will not condemn his private statements, but has warned him to be careful in the future...

[Fredo Corleone]

that guy's got some fucking balls. what are the odds he ends up in a decapitation video?

[MrBogey]

It's "blame everything blindly on the left" guy. Relax. It's an Islamic rights group protesting. What does this have to do with "the left." Blaming things on "the left" is almost as bad as saying, "Some people are saying..."

Every lefty I peruse online is savaging the guy. None are defending his right to say what he said.

I bet you stand up and defend the right when people make broad accusations of their being pro-business and anti-abortion.

[HockeyHelmet]

Good for him, fuckem all, there god's an animal.

[Diceman Cometh]

fuckem all, there god's an animal.

They worship the same god you do.

[sclone]

Every lefty I peruse online is savaging the guy. None are defending his right to say what he said.

You should probably include context with your comments then, because neither the article nor any posters here made any reference to political leanings.

I bet you stand up and defend the right when people make broad accusations of their being pro-business and anti-abortion.

Is there a point here? I don't draw the parallel. I call you out for blindly associating "the left" with the actions of some university Muslim rights group, and you're accusing me of not appropriately defending the beliefs of right-wing Republicans? I fail to see how the two are related...

[jagsfans]

They worship the same god you do.

That is a matter of opinion...

[Diceman Cometh]

That is a matter of opinion...

If by opinion you mean fact, then yes.

Do you worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Israel, Moses, Noah, David, and Jesus? Do you worship the god that led the Israelites out of Egypt? The god that gave Moses the Torah?

Then you worship the same god they do. You may think they attribute false words and teachings to God, but it's still the same god.

For example, we may dispute the correct interpretation of the Constitutional right to bear arms, but there is no dispute that we are talking about the same Constitution.

[Bill]

Every lefty I peruse online is savaging the guy. None are defending his right to say what he said.


He has every right in the world to say what he said. At the same time, the Muslim group has the same right to be pissed at him and protest what he said.

The right to free speech says that the government can't stop someone from saying something. It doesn't say that someone who says things that others don't like should excempt from criticism and protest by people who disagree with that person.

To that extent, if the University fired this professor for what he wrote, it would be wrong in doing so. However, if in protest, the students decided that they didn't want to attend classes taught by this professor and were successful in keeping his classes empty through that protest, the University would be correct in firing the professor because he would be unable to do his job properly.

[Kintner boy]

If by opinion you mean fact, then yes.

Do you worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Israel, Moses, Noah, David, and Jesus?

Jesus and possibly the Holy Spirit may complicate your analogy. The Jew definitely doesnt worship Jesus and neither do Muslims (at least not as divine). Im not sure about the Holy Spirit. In the Christian point of view they are the same thing or at least of equal value. So i dont think it is as much a fact as you say it is. Its like being a huge fan of baseball but not believing in third base. Its not the same anymore.

I am aware my analogy is not much better.

[YourAmishDaddy]

He has every right in the world to say what he said. At the same time, the Muslim group has the same right to be pissed at him and protest what he said.

The right to free speech says that the government can't stop someone from saying something. It doesn't say that someone who says things that others don't like should excempt from criticism and protest by people who disagree with that person.

To that extent, if the University fired this professor for what he wrote, it would be wrong in doing so. However, if in protest, the students decided that they didn't want to attend classes taught by this professor and were successful in keeping his classes empty through that protest, the University would be correct in firing the professor because he would be unable to do his job properly.

Sounds logical to me.

[Diceman Cometh]

Jesus and possibly the Holy Spirit may complicate your analogy. The Jew definitely doesnt worship Jesus and neither do Muslims (at least not as divine). Im not sure about the Holy Spirit. In the Christian point of view they are the same thing or at least of equal value. So i dont think it is as much a fact as you say it is. Its like being a huge fan of baseball but not believing in third base. Its not the same anymore.

I am aware my analogy is not much better.

Jews and Muslims don't believe that JESUS was divine, but there is still an agreement over the god they worship.

The Trinity is the Christian explanation of the nature of God, not his identity. You can disagree on the nature but still agree on what god you are worshipping. Christians of the centuries after Jesus's death were bickering and arguing over the nature of Jesus and God himself - some thought Jesus just a man, some thought him "filled with divine light," some thought him Son of God, some thought him God. Some thought God was closer to the Platonic God - unmoving in emotion or action, a god that is "everything" but is not conscious of the affairs of the world he created - and others thought him much closer to the anthropomorphic god of the Old Testament. At no time did any Christian think he was worshipping a different god than his Christian neighbor or a Jew.

The simple fact is that Christians and Muslims believe that the same god that led the Israelites out of Egypt and gave Moses the Laws is their god as well, and is the one and only god. You cannot get past that fact in arguing that their gods are different. The same god that Abraham spoke to is the god Christians and Muslims worship.

[AnimalMthr1982]

Diceman's right. There's a reason that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are called the three 'Abrahamic Religions.' Also, I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet.

If anyone here had ever read the Quran, they'd know Islam is not a peaceful religion. The book basically says "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim." This explains why the middle east hasn't seen peace in 1400 years.

The main messages of the Quran are obedience (to Allah) and equality. The whole jihad thing was meant to be a personal struggle/war with oneself, and not a war against the not-Muslim world. Nowhere does "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim" appear.

[MrBogey]

Nowhere does "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim" appear.

Well it depends upon the translation. It does indeed say that muslims are not to befriend non-muslims and it does set up rules on how a non-muslim is worth less then a muslim.

[Diceman Cometh]

The whole jihad thing was meant to be a personal struggle/war with oneself, and not a war against the not-Muslim world.

That is not true - that is propaganda created by Western Muslims in a public relations effort. The Koran clearly advocates a violent struggle against those who do not believe.

Now, to be fair, the Koran needs to be read with careful attention to the context of the society in which it was written. You cannot take a violent holy book and automatically assume that those who follow its teachings are going to be violent.

For example, the Old Testament is no less violent than the Koran, and includes certain justifications for slaughter. However, there is not exactly a big problem in the world with violent, angry Jews. That is because the Old Testament was composed in a tribal society, in an area of the world where nations where constantly at war with each other, and the Israelite nation was constantly threatened with slavery and exile. That condition no longer exists for most Jews today.

Take a look at Turkey, a muslim country that is very much an "outsider" in regards to the rest of the Muslim world - it is more a part of the European scene than the middle east. There is little talk of/patience for extremism there. Girls there dress just like European girls do, etc.

A people's holy book always takes a back-seat to their political and economic situation.

[Diceman Cometh]

Nowhere does "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim" appear.

OK....

"For the non-believers are open enemies unto you" - Sura 4:101

"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." - Sura 9:5


"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them" - Sura 8:12

This was what I dug up from leafing through my Koran for about 4 minutes.

You gotta stop listening to propoganda from both sides and actually sit down and read the thing.

[ScarAss]

Nowhere does "Kill everyone who isn't a Muslim" appear.

Not in that exact wording, but I bet you the books tells its believers to do so on more than a few occassions. If you ask me, the Quran isn't anything more than war-time propaganda.

[Diceman Cometh]

If you ask me, the Quran isn't anything more than war-time propaganda.

It was an attempt to unite a heavily fragmented and war-torn Arabian penninsula. In that sense, it suceeded.