Would O & A have gotten the FM deal without XM?

[Badgun]

Just curious what you guys think. My first introduction to O & A was December of 2004. I was hooked after the first few shows I heard and I haven't missed one since.

Lately I've developed a dislike for their constant bitching sessions on XM and about XM. It's the only two hours of uncensored radio we get and they seem to spend most of it bitching about what XM is or isn't doing.

The other day when Jimmy was bitching at E-Lo, I really got a bad case of the "douche chills". In my limited knowledge of their past, it seemed to me that XM was the only company willing to give them a chance after they were fired in 2002. Now maybe they would have found work anyway, but XM is the one company that paid them and put them back on the air.

Now 18 months later, CBS apparently threw a shitload of money at them and put them on all these FM stations. I'll admit that at first I was not thrilled by the FM portion of the show, but I have settled in and accepted that this is the way that it's going to be, regardless of what I and a ton of XM listeners think. I'll also admit that I would trade what we have now back for the 4 hour XM show in a New York minute.

Here's the question...would they have gotten the CBS deal without the 18 months of XM exposure? Was this a deal that was going to happen anyway?

If not, I find it awfully puzzling why they continue to shit all over the people that might be responsible for their now bulging wallets. I really got annoyed the other day when one of them kept saying over and over that people were standing in the way of their success.

This is not another one of those bitching posts, just fishing for opinions if this deal would have happened without XM.

[krunk]

if they were on any other terresterial radio company and not XM for the 18 months...then no it wouldn't have happened....

if they were on one CBS station somewhere for those 18 months and not XM? then yes....


if they hadn't been back on radio at all? no i don't think it would have happened.....

[GLENN_THE_TOOL]

they were successful on Free FM before all hell broke loose.

then they were and are successful on XM.

i think both of those reasons had a lot to do with it. we don't know what would have happened if they had gone back to Free FM instead of going to XM or if they hadn't came back to radio at all between getting pulled from Free FM and DLR's firing, but it's likely they wouldn't have gotten the job if they ended up on some AM radio station in West Bum Fuck, Middle America. their past and current success combined makes it pretty obvious that O&A have a large audience who will listen.

[JonBenetRamsey]

if they were on any other terresterial radio company and not XM for the 18 months...then no it wouldn't have happened....

if they were on one CBS station somewhere for those 18 months and not XM? then yes....


if they hadn't been back on radio at all? no i don't think it would have happened.....
good points. i think this thread is over.

[Badgun]

if they were on any other terresterial radio company and not XM for the 18 months...then no it wouldn't have happened....

if they were on one CBS station somewhere for those 18 months and not XM? then yes....


if they hadn't been back on radio at all? no i don't think it would have happened.....

Well I've never heard them mention if they had ANY offers from other companies other than Sirius during that 2 year period so it does look like XM might be responsible for their current success.

I don't know all of the stations they were syndicated to back in the day, but you guys in the northeast need to remember that a lot of people all over the entire country got their first taste of O & A through XM. Just another reason that maybe they should be a little more grateful to XM.

[UCFGavin]

if they were on any other terresterial radio company and not XM for the 18 months...then no it wouldn't have happened....

if they were on one CBS station somewhere for those 18 months and not XM? then yes....


if they hadn't been back on radio at all? no i don't think it would have happened.....

quoted for troof

[Xyn]

XM has done allot for them.

XM has failed to do allot that they SAID they would do for them.

They love they freedom of XM, they love E-lo, and they love what XM has done to help them start the biggest comback in radio history. That doesn't change the fact that XM has had many shortcommings, so why shouldn't they call the company on it?

They call CBS when they fuck with them, but must of the issues at CBS so far have either been censorship related (which they expect, thus don't complain about), or have been resolved with days of them mentioning it.

If anyone at XM is cockblocking them, they are gonna talk about it. It seems to work too, considering they finally got an appearance on an XM commercial (Somthing they were promised since befor they signed with the fucking company).

Them bitching isn't my favorite part of the show, but I'm glad I find it more entertaining than some people seem to. At least they usually don't bitch about the same stuff constantly day after day (hoo hoo).

[krunk]

Well I've never heard them mention if they had ANY offers from other companies other than Sirius during that 2 year period so it does look like XM might be responsible for their current success.

I don't know all of the stations they were syndicated to back in the day, but you guys in the northeast need to remember that a lot of people all over the entire country got their first taste of O & A through XM. Just another reason that maybe they should be a little more grateful to XM.

who are you that would you hear of any offers? are you super agent robert eatman?


dude...their talent got them where they are. if they had gone on XM and stunk on ice....CBS wouldn't had touched them. ....XM may be the car...but the show's talent is the gas, the motor, the tires....etc

[Hoo Hoo Howie]

They absolutely would have gotten the deal. Come on. You're telling me that if they were sitting at home without the XM deal that NO ONE would have called?? Bullshit.. Weren't they getting calls days after SFS3 by other radio companies, but couldn't get hired because of the Infinity contract?? If Infinity thought they couldn't get hired, they would have let them out of their contract.

During their heyday @ WNEW, they were fucking HUGE in NY. I would say even bigger than Stern. That's why he felt threatened and hence the gag order was placed. We're not talking Greaseman or Star. It was O&A!! Huge #1 in the ratings stars.

I won't argue that the XM deal gave them a platform to demonstrate that in two years they never lost their edge - actually came back with so much energy and passion. They are the real fuckin' deal. They've been delivering 18 months of rock solid entertainment on XM. To say they would have never gotten a chance to go back to regular radio without XM is ludicrous.

I wish Wifflebatlube would add his 2 cents here to set you all straight.

[Ballbuster1]

Well I've never heard them mention if they had ANY offers from other companies other than Sirius during that 2 year period so it does look like XM might be responsible for their current success.


They had plenty of offers. They couldn't accept any because of the
contract with Infinity.

[OandAForever]

Would O & A have gotten the FM deal without XM? Of course they would. Who knows, maybe they'd be way ahead now, if they didn't have to deal with sitting on XM's backburner for 18 months...

[Jimm7y]

I agree

[jules]

o&a went out on top of the game back in 2002. they would have gotten this deal with or without xm. im not ripping xm,im just saying that they built themselves into what they are with no help from anyone,xm,and cbs included.them being fired was total knee jerk bullshit,and they(imo) were being lined up to replace ol' howie back then. o&a were going to be in the spot they are in with or without xm,and plese know i am not ripping xm at all.

[Puddle O AIDs]

i think that the free fm deal might have happened w/o XM, but it wouldn't be as big as quick, there would be alot more reluctance to put them in som many markets so quickly

[UCFGavin]

I could have sworn I heard ant talking about how he used to talk to his agent and he would ask "so, we get anything today" and his agent was like "nope"

[InOpiesOffice]

I see a lot of people being pretty liberal with their assumption O and A would have this syndication deal but that's expected.

The fact of the matter is, if XM didn't pick them up some radio station would have. Whether it's New York, LA, Chicago, most likely NY but someone would have picked them up. No one knows for sure they would have gotten the Free FM deal because no one knows what kind of contract they would have had with their "alternate universe" station. Maybe they signed an exclusive multi-year deal. Maybe the station didn't want to lose local ad revenue so they veto a syndication deal. There's too many maybes for people to say "Yes, they would have gotten Free FM without a doubt"

[JSHAW]

They are the real fuckin' deal. They've been delivering 18 months of rock solid entertainment on XM. To say they would have never gotten a chance to go back to regular radio without XM is ludicrous.


Fuckin' A. Well said. 100% agree. :clap:

[watsonnostaw]

They would have gotten a deal in a third rate market like Wichita or O-Town Brother! XM made their return to syndication quicker, as the Catholic Dude said... not one complaint since the boys have been back on radio via XM, thus providing proof the boys have learned and moved on.

[JSHAW]

as the Catholic Dude said... not one complaint since the boys have been back on radio via XM, thus providing proof the boys have learned and moved on.

I doubt very seriously that the Catholic League and their constituents are
subscribing to XM and listening to O&A on a daily basis since their beginning on XM. Just my opinion.

They definitely won't be doing any more bits near any churches, right Op? Right Ant?

[RocketMorton]

Everyone seems to mistake bitching on the air for being ungrateful to XM. Just because they want some things to change and they mention it on the air doesn't mean they're ungrateful. Also, everyone acts like XM pulled them out of the abyss. The truth is, they were on XM as soon as their binding contract was up. They saw XM as the future of radio and they were right. I'm sure another broadcasting company would have gladly syndicated them had they not gone to XM. And the chances are good that after the David Lee Roth show took a dump CBS would have tried the O&A panic move anyway.

[Bill]

I think that one of the biggest factor in getting the CBS deal is the fact that there was no complaints over the fact that they returned to radio. I think that everyone expected there to be some level of complaints (especially from the Catholic League).

Once they returned to radio without any kind of a negative uproar, they became a viable option for CBS. I don't think that CBS was going to take the chance of being the first to hire them after their hiatus.

So, in that sense, XM opened the door for their return to CBS, but the same door could have also been opened had the same reaction occurred if they had signed with another terrestrial radio station instead of XM.

[Guilty Spark]

Ahhh, Another know nothing asshole throwing his uninformed bullshit into the ring!
We DON'T use all our time on XM to bitch about XM you asshole.
We would have gotten another job somewhere.
We bitch about shit we're not happy with and we get results that way.
You know how much we make for broadcasting on CBS?? No, you don't you fucking shithead! So keep your "shitload of money" comments to yourself.
Keep being "puzzled" by why we "shit all over" XM. Do you know what was meant by "standing in the way of our success."? Do you know who it was directed at? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB ASS FUCKING DON"T KNOW SHIT DICKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another cunt who's subscription I'd love to buy back if he promised never to listen again.
Remember, you don't know SHIT about what is going on. That's not your fault but commenting and throwing around accusations like you do makes you a little fucking cuntrag BITCH.

You tell 'em!!!!!!!!11111

[NoFilterPaul]

We bitch about shit we're not happy with and we get results that way.

Its a real shame it always has to come to that, but thats the only way these people seem to step up for you guys.

[Gilligan]

We bitch about shit we're not happy with and we get results that way.
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Remember, you don't know SHIT about what is going on. That's not your fault but commenting and throwing around accusations like you do makes you a little fucking cuntrag BITCH.

Um, I agree with the second part quoted above, but I have to say that a lot of people bitch for exactly the same reasons you do Ant. They hope to get results to their liking. Since they know you and/or others involved in the pogram read the board they air their opinions hoping to sway you guys.

I've been guilty of it myself (and been slapped down for it -- hard, ouchies). (Being told by you I should Flush, buy fuck, etc. in another thread) I have since seen the error of my ways on the issue I bitched about and have apologized but I have also noticed that some of the more reasonable issues that come up around here ARE addressed by you guys, which is kinda why it encourages others to speculate and bitch and complain, etc.

But not me anymore, oh no, I don't want that kinda heat, nossir. Keep giving us the shows you've been giving us and I'll be happy. Hell, I'm happy now!

[CJJames]

Ahhh, Another know nothing asshole throwing his uninformed bullshit into the ring!
We DON'T use all our time on XM to bitch about XM you asshole.
We would have gotten another job somewhere.
We bitch about shit we're not happy with and we get results that way.
You know how much we make for broadcasting on CBS?? No, you don't you fucking shithead! So keep your "shitload of money" comments to yourself.
Keep being "puzzled" by why we "shit all over" XM. Do you know what was meant by "standing in the way of our success."? Do you know who it was directed at? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB ASS FUCKING DON"T KNOW SHIT DICKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another cunt who's subscription I'd love to buy back if he promised never to listen again.
Remember, you don't know SHIT about what is going on. That's not your fault but commenting and throwing around accusations like you do makes you a little fucking cuntrag BITCH.

The difference between working for a private company and the government is that when you work for the government and you bitch about things you need that you don't have in order to do your job you still don't get them. I say keep bitching on the air, WBL. In fact, if you could, could you please throw in a gripe about the phones for R+F? Thank you!

[jules]

Um, I agree with the second part quoted above, but I have to say that a lot of people bitch for exactly the same reasons you do Ant. They hope to get results to their liking. Since they know you and/or others involved in the pogram read the board they air their opinions hoping to sway you guys.

I've been guilty of it myself (and been slapped down for it -- hard, ouchies). (Being told by you I should Flush, buy fuck, etc. in another thread) I have since seen the error of my ways on the issue I bitched about and have apologized but I have also noticed that some of the more reasonable issues that come up around here ARE addressed by you guys, which is kinda why it encourages others to speculate and bitch and complain, etc.

But not me anymore, oh no, I don't want that kinda heat, nossir. Keep giving us the shows you've been giving us and I'll be happy. Hell, I'm happy now!
i am not ripping your post at all here,but the complaining that some people are doing here is NOT to make things better for their liking,they are bitching about every fucking thing that means dog shit!
look -imo- i think that the fact that we know more about what goes on behind the scenes because they tell us is what makes this show great(and for any cocksucker that tells me im doing this to kiss ass,go fuck yourself-im a truck driver from jersey who will probably never meet o&a or jimmy,so nothing will be gained from posting that the show is great to me)-do you think howie would interact with his fans like this? no and if the criticism would be in any way helpful to the show,i dont think it would even be a problem.
maybe the guy who started this thread didnt mean to be an ass,but what the fuck was the purpose of the comment about their wallets bulging helping? thats the bullshit that drives me crazy.

[JoeFromDetroit]

Oh, ok. I guess we just got off on the wrong foot. Ok, I'm sorry then.
What a nice fella.

[Gilligan]

:)

:love:

No Homo

[Longhorn1186]

NoFilterPaul,
You could not have said it better. It seems that when the bitching starts...stuff gets done. BTW Ant...what is the status of the xm studio? It would have been great to hear the live bands on the xm side of things. I guess for now you have to give all the band members their very own cubical!!

You guys are the best....see you all at the motorcycle ride!!! but pattie is not riding with me. I would take twitchles before I was forced to hear her yap the whole way

[GorilaBoyNorton]

Ahhh, Another know nothing asshole throwing his uninformed bullshit into the ring!
We DON'T use all our time on XM to bitch about XM you asshole.
We would have gotten another job somewhere.
We bitch about shit we're not happy with and we get results that way.
You know how much we make for broadcasting on CBS?? No, you don't you fucking shithead! So keep your "shitload of money" comments to yourself.
Keep being "puzzled" by why we "shit all over" XM. Do you know what was meant by "standing in the way of our success."? Do you know who it was directed at? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB ASS FUCKING DON"T KNOW SHIT DICKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another cunt who's subscription I'd love to buy back if he promised never to listen again.
Remember, you don't know SHIT about what is going on. That's not your fault but commenting and throwing around accusations like you do makes you a little fucking cuntrag BITCH.

nothing, NOTHING, better than picturing good ol' Ant typing these types of responses. makes me giggle

[novalia]

yes

[Pubu]

No matter if the boys are bitching or having Patti on the show would be 100 times better than anything FM has to offer, besides the boys.

[tripwire519]

cbs or no cbs makes no difference to me.

I had never even heard of O+A before xm, I was stuck in morning zoo hell. I live in a small market for radio so having the xm is G R E A T. Would they have got the deal without em? maybe/probably but I would still be listening to Bob and Tom hating myself and wanting to die everytime I turned on the radio.

I pretty sure O+A are all about exposure so why does it matter whether they would've or not? More listeners = more gooder.

[robinquivers]

They had offers to back to radio before XM. They just had to sign the Howie clause and not be able to mention anyone at Infinity.

[Smokezilla]

I figure that it was simply "unfashionable" for anyone to sign the B-B-Boys until the whole "Sex4Sam" thing blew-over. XM flew-in under the radar and snatched them up before any of the major terrestrial players did. I still think XM is going to be a heavy-hitter in the near future. . . once they get past the lawsuits and other bullshit that is pre-occupying them at the moment!

I for one am GLAD that they didn't get a deal with a terrestrial radio station before XM. I wouldn't have know who they were!!!:action-sm