Anyone heard about this BULLSHIT?

[Ben'shog'selbow]

The Internet is in trouble. Big Trouble! Let us make this simple for your most likely intoxicated mind. Telecommunication companies want to charge websites different prices for moving different types of data across "their" lines. If you host videos and other "bandwidth intensive" content, your hosting bill will go up!

Didnt know where to post it, I think here it will get the most reaction, please be sure Steve C sees this.

(Found it here)
http://www.steakandcheese.com/home.asp

(Article by Craigs List founder)
http://http://rss.cnn.com/2006/US/06/09/newmark.internet/

(Sign Petition here)
http://www.savetheinternet.com/=act

(Another article) http://www.informationweek.com/software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=189600971&subSection=Enterprise+Applications

[M.i.S.]

Um, I have no idea what this means or what impact it will have on me.

[novalia]

i heard the post office is going to be charging you 5cents per email in the near future...
http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/bill602p.asp - ya i know it isnt true =)

[Ben'shog'selbow]

i heard the post office is going to be charging you 5cents per email in the near future...
If this information were coming from someone I didnt know or someone who had no steak in the matter I would think it was a gag too, but come on, craigs list is a huge website, so is steakandcheese.com, they would have alot to lose if this were to happen, as will steve c. Read the article, it sounds legit to me.

[novalia]

haha i bet you were ready to tear me a new one until you saw the hidden text =)

[Chester'sLiver]

not only that but what does this have to do with Opie and Anthony? This belongs in the off topic section.

[novalia]

post police..

[paulisded]

It's true; it's called the "net neutrality" bill, and is due to be voted on in Congress within the next few weeks.

It does potentially affect everybody; not just those who host content. Let's say you've had a yahoo email account for years but your IP has decided to ink a deal with MSN. They could eliminate your access from your yahoo account, or at the very least make it take forever to load. Or your simple little blog that has no content other than text will be next to impossible for others to see while those signed up with bigger companies will take no time to load.

[Ben'shog'selbow]

For you Snope junkies:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/neutrality.asp

[yellowstonesteve]

wouldn't this pretty much crush VOIP? guess thats why AT&T & Verizon are leading the charge

[YellowSnowBalls]

i heard the post office is going to be charging you 5cents per email in the near future...
http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/bill602p.asp - ya i know it isnt true =)


your pic gives me a headache. I get hipnotized when i see it. it sucks,
have a headache now.

[paulisded]

wouldn't this pretty much crush VOIP? guess thats why AT&T & Verizon are leading the charge

Exactly.

Beware of the fake consumer groups they have created to spin this on the news channels. They'll say anything to hide the real issues.

[BigBuffaloFan]

I highly dought this will go through. Why would the hosting company be charged for people going to their site. Why wouldn't the customer be charged for the bandwith. Beside almost all hosting companies have caps on bandwith in how much data is transfered a month. After that is used either site goes down or the webmaster is charged extra.

[MrBogey]

wouldn't this pretty much crush VOIP? guess thats why AT&T & Verizon are leading the charge

Only if passed. The telco's are choomping at the bit to eventually bring out their own VOIP, they want to use traffic shaping to make sure the reliability is on par with POTS. But to do that they need to implement protocols which the neutrality laws would ban.

[MrBogey]

I highly dought this will go through. Why would the hosting company be charged for people going to their site. Why wouldn't the customer be charged for the bandwith. Beside almost all hosting companies have caps on bandwith in how much data is transfered a month. After that is used either site goes down or the webmaster is charged extra.

The thing is that whole line of argument is completely false. the neutrality advocates keep touting it as if it's what this debate is.

At it's heart the telco's want to offer tiering services to make IP streams able to have a QoS. If tiering was bad then it begs the question of why do most major companies do it with their internal network? If keeping time sensitive priority traffic above low priority packets didn't work then they'd not do it on their end.

What we have here is all the major internet corporations like Google, Yahoo, MSN, Amazon, et al. using fradulent propaganda to attack other big corporations all under the guise of consumer protection.

[BigBuffaloFan]

What we have here is all the major internet corporations like Google, Yahoo, MSN, Amazon, et al. using fradulent propaganda to attack other big corporations all under the guise of consumer protection.

I agree with that point. I have heard MS fucking with other software companies. They find someone who is making a desent product and then they send in their own IRS to make sure the company is fully complient with all the MS licenses.
They did that to a company I read about and even after they sent there inventory list of licenses showing they were fully complient. MS still kept bothering them just slow down their production and possibly stop it.

[SOS]

The question is will telephone companies update their networks for those sites without the bucks to pay for the tiered internet.


The answer is no.

[BigBuffaloFan]

The question is will telephone companies update their networks for those sites without the bucks to pay for the tiered internet.


The answer is no.

I agree with that. Telco's are losing a lot of money due to cell phones, voip, and e-mail. People aren't spending a ton of money on long distance like they use to.

[abudabit]

It's true; it's called the "net neutrality" bill, and is due to be voted on in Congress within the next few weeks.

It does potentially affect everybody; not just those who host content. Let's say you've had a yahoo email account for years but your IP has decided to ink a deal with MSN. They could eliminate your access from your yahoo account, or at the very least make it take forever to load. Or your simple little blog that has no content other than text will be next to impossible for others to see while those signed up with bigger companies will take no time to load.

Why would it do that? That's fucking the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. :action-sm

All it is is for companies who want to get access to a faster backbone, they can pay a little extra. That will encourage the development of more backbone.

It was never illegal for companies to charge different rates for different backbone connections, how come nothing bad happened with that? This paranoia over the issue is rediculous.

[yellowstonesteve]

Why would it do that? That's fucking the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. :action-sm
the only thing I can figure is its their way of crushing the increasingly popular VOIP. I kno a couple people that install phone systems, and VOIP is pretty much all they're doing now. Even my new corporate overlords are testing it at 1 location. VOIP is a huge threat to the phone companies, and since they've never had to compete before, this is how they try to deal with competition.
Here in the Philly area, you can use Cavalier instead of Verizon, but its still Verizons lines, and they fuck Cavalier in the ass every chance they get. I had to stop using them at several locations because of Verizon. Its insane.