STEVE make an O&A website just for them ONLY!!!

[BigBuffaloFan]

Why can't Steve make an O&A only site. Why does everything have to go through fucking foundry. I hate that site. When new listeners go to the site they are not going to have a clue of why they are there. You can advertise on their site that it is powered by foundry or what ever but it is so trashy that you use your own site that is not dedicated to only to the show. Hell even Ron and Fez have there own site where we can download files. Nothing against R&F

Also put a fucking on O&A watermark on the video. The only reason you would not make their own site is if you are not employed by XM and the show.

[patbattlefield]

foundrymusic is steve's way of getting back at the fans. it is easier to navigate a vietnamese minefield.

[XMScott]

In the famous words of the great shit dick howard stern: "I dont care"

Really, i dont.
I go to http://www.opieandanthony.com/
And its all there for me. Not the easiest to navigate, but how long has it been. Im used to it by now.

Thanks for all your work so far Steve.

[ruckstande]

In the famous words of the great shit dick howard stern: "I
Thanks for all your work so far Steve.

I got really uncomfortable reading that.

[angrymissy]

If it was an "official" O&A site, they wouldn't be able to host dirty videos there now, would they?

[BigBuffaloFan]

They can do anything they want its not an xm site.

[angrymissy]

Go to foundry. Click on O&A. Voila. Why do people find this so difficult?

[tstlkevanilla]

I concur.. foundrymusic stinks.

[angrymissy]

I have an idea for you... take the time to program a new site and see how easy it is. And I'm not talking about installing a message board template, or a php-nuke site, actually code it from the ground up.

Again, what is so hard about clicking "O&A" once you go to foundry?

[RMPGP]

I wished some Arabic jacker hacked into foundry music and fucking deleted every last file. I fucking hate that site. Enough with the stupid fucking porn shit already. Who gives a fuck.

ONA deserve their own site built by an actual web developer.

[RMPGP]

I have an idea for you... take the time to program a new site and see how easy it is. And I'm not talking about installing a message board template, or a php-nuke site, actually code it from the ground up.

Again, what is so hard about clicking "O&A" once you go to foundry?


It's not that hard. And this isn't even necessary, there are tons of prebuilt solutions out there that are of high quality.

[Death Metal Moe]

foundrymusic is steve's way of getting back at the fans. it is easier to navigate a vietnamese minefield.

I never had a problem with finding things on Foundry, but that line was fucking funny.

[angrymissy]

Can you do it yourself? What coding languages are you proficient in? How much do you think you would charge for a redesign of foundry??

Because guess what, the person coding it is putting a lot of time in for basically free because he is a fan of the show, without asking for credit or charging a standard rate. And he is a professional web designer.

Are you going to shell out $10k for a redesign or are you going to do it yourself?

You know everytime they redesign foundry they post on all the message boards asking for input, if people gave constructive input, maybe your suggestions would be taken seriously.

[angrymissy]

It's not that hard. And this isn't even necessary, there are tons of prebuilt solutions out there that are of high quality.

Ok, what prebuilt solution are you talking about? How much is the initial cost? To buy rights exclusive to this website? What kind of support is provided?

[tstlkevanilla]

Enough with the stupid fucking porn shit already. Who gives a fuck.

ONA deserve their own site built by an actual web developer.

Exactly. I wish he would take the porn off the site. The boys put a clip up on opieandanthony.com that links you to foundry. Foundry has half naked chicks everywhere. It's not exactly suitable for work when I'm just trying to download a file.
If I want porn off the internet, I have no problem finding it. Just take it off the site. :icon_evil

[tstlkevanilla]

Can you do it yourself? What coding languages are you proficient in? How much do you think you would charge for a redesign of foundry??

Because guess what, the person coding it is putting a lot of time in for basically free because he is a fan of the show, without asking for credit or charging a standard rate. And he is a professional web designer.

Are you going to shell out $10k for a redesign or are you going to do it yourself?

You know everytime they redesign foundry they post on all the message boards asking for input, if people gave constructive input, maybe your suggestions would be taken seriously.

I believe we just found Steve's wackbag account.

[angrymissy]

Steve does not code Foundry

[Death Metal Moe]

I believe we just found Steve's wackbag account.

I don't think so, I heard something that was less than perfect diction in that 4ths sentence.

[Death Metal Moe]

Steve does not code Foundry

I guess Jeff does with the way you're defending it.

[angrymissy]

he sure does... since I met him, I'm not kidding, hundreds of hours into that site

And to whomever said blah blah look at ronfez.net, it's better

Well the same person coded it. Different people run it.

[BigBuffaloFan]

I believe we just found Steve's wackbag account.

It could be they are very defensive

[Death Metal Moe]

Foundry Music Jeff fan since day one.

[Death Metal Moe]

OK, that's a lie, but I've honestly never had a problem with the way Foundry Music worked.

[angrymissy]

No, everyone thinks they can do it better, and they just bitch, bitch, bitch.

Even though every time there was a redesign, the beta test was posted on all the message boards to get input on what should be changed.

[BigBuffaloFan]

It's not that hard. And this isn't even necessary, there are tons of prebuilt solutions out there that are of high quality.

You are absolutly correct. There are a ton free Open source content management templates to choose from. You can easliy edit them to you liking. I am a webmaster for multple companies and organizations. Why build something that is already built and able to use for free. There is no need to waste time on it.

[angrymissy]

So what is wrong with Foundry? Why should it be changed? What is the big issue with typing in foundrymusic.com, then clicking OPIE AND ANTHONY?

[Sprite]

Fuck Foundry, fuck Steve and fuck Jeff. There truly is NO REASON IN THE WORLD why when you click on a video link or a photo link on opieandanthony.com that you shouldn't be taken to opieandanthony.com/videos or opieandanthony.com/pictures where they are all neatly categorized by date. No zip files, no going 3 - 5 web pages deep to reach a file. The fans want SIMPLICITY when they access ONA media content. Guess what a simple site means? CHEAP TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN. The only high cost is monthly bandwith, however without "viral videos" and porn all over the place, the costs would be substantially less than they are now. The fact of the matter is that Steve's site SUCKS FAT COCK and wouldn't get shit for hits if it weren't for all the ONA content on it.

[angrymissy]

Then design one better fucko. FOR FREE NO LESS.

Are you going to go through that massive file libary and organize everything by date? You should volunteer since you are so passionate about it.

[BigBuffaloFan]

No, everyone thinks they can do it better, and they just bitch, bitch, bitch.

Even though every time there was a redesign, the beta test was posted on all the message boards to get input on what should be changed.

There is not much there to develop. Take the page put the O&A logo on top and catagorize your files audio/video. You don't even need php or SQL.

[BigBuffaloFan]

Then design one better fucko. FOR FREE NO LESS.

Are you going to go through that massive file libary and organize everything by date? You should volunteer since you are so passionate about it.

Thats the point he is getting paid for it. Why would we do it for free.

[Sprite]

So what is wrong with Foundry?

It is SLOW, difficult to navigate, has media in compressed zip files, is loaded with porn (makes it NSFW), has tons of useless non-ONA content, and is extremely inconvenient.

Why should it be changed?

YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Almost no one is saying they want to see Foundry CHANGED. We are saying we want fresh ONA content, pictures, videos, etc. ALL ON ONE SIMPLY DESIGNED, EASY-TO-NAVIGATE WEB SITE with no external links. We want to go to and STAY ON www.opieandanthony.com to see a video or picture, or check the upcoming events. WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH FOUNDRY MUSIC.


What is the big issue with typing in foundrymusic.com, then clicking OPIE AND ANTHONY?

Read answer 1 above.

:icon_roll

[angrymissy]

Then next time they come around asking for suggestions, suggest that the site be pared down a bit.

The porn ads pay for the site's bandwith, they're never going to go away

[RMPGP]

No, everyone thinks they can do it better, and they just bitch, bitch, bitch.

Even though every time there was a redesign, the beta test was posted on all the message boards to get input on what should be changed.


Look I know it's easy to shit on a site, but I'm sorry the site is a mess. I develop php sites so I'm not blowing smoke up your ass.

I would like to see a site devoted strictly to ONA, nothing porn related. A site that is easy to use, clearly categorized, and easy to navigate.

A great book to read on web usability is "Don't Make Me Think".

[RMPGP]

Then next time they come around asking for suggestions, suggest that the site be pared down a bit.

The porn ads pay for the site's bandwith, they're never going to go away

Why not just use google adwords?

[RMPGP]

It is SLOW, difficult to navigate, has media in compressed zip files, is loaded with porn (makes it NSFW), has tons of useless non-ONA content, and is extremely inconvenient.



YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Almost no one is saying they want to see Foundry CHANGED. We are saying we want fresh ONA content, pictures, videos, etc. ALL ON ONE SIMPLY DESIGNED, EASY-TO-NAVIGATE WEB SITE with no external links. We want to go to and STAY ON www.opieandanthony.com to see a video or picture, or check the upcoming events. WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH FOUNDRY MUSIC.




Read answer 1 above.

:icon_roll


Holy shit sir, thank you for plucking the thoughts out of my head and typing them up.

[BigBuffaloFan]

The fact of the matter is that Steve's site SUCKS FAT COCK and wouldn't get shit for hits if it weren't for all the ONA content on it.

This is true.

[angrymissy]

Thats the point he is getting paid for it. Why would we do it for free.

Steve doesn't code and design foundry. My husband does. And he does it for free. And he's not some shulmp, this is what he does for a living, but he's given hundreds of hours of his time to develop that site.

Which is why I keep saying, find someone to code, design, and support that site for free

[Cromwell]

"That's, that's terrible, I'm sorry"

(Couldn't resist) :action-sm

[BigBuffaloFan]

Then next time they come around asking for suggestions, suggest that the site be pared down a bit.
We are coming around to give you the suggestion now. We don't want the site pared down we want there own dedecated site. Do you understand that


The porn ads pay for the site's bandwith, they're never going to go away

Yes they would go a away other companies would advertise on the O&A site if they see how many hits it gets.

You really need to KISS

[BigBuffaloFan]

Steve doesn't code and design foundry. My husband does.
I knew you were some what close to the source.


Which is why I keep saying, find someone to code, design, and support that site for free

There are a ton of people here who would do it for free and have the knowledge to do it correctly.

[angrymissy]

Don't give ME the suggestion. If you have suggestion about the DESIGN, tell Jeff, if you have a suggestion ABOUT THE ADS tell steve

[NotYouStupid]

Here is what I want.
Step 1. Go to Website
Step 2. Click on date of show That I want Media from
Step 3. Scroll down list of Media and click on one I want
Step 4. Download ACTUAL MEDIA CLIP!!! not a zip file
Step 5. Enjoy O&A media goodness.

Here is what I get at Foundry
Step 1. Go to website
Step 2. Enter "foundry blows" as my name and "69" as my age (WTF is with this step)
Step 2. Click on O&A link
Step 3. Click on latest downloads
Step 4. Pray to god that what I am looking for is on the first page otherwise I know I'll spend 5-10 minutes looking for a 20 second clip.
Step 5. Click on link
Step 6. Wait for popup then click save.
Step 7. Close popup.
Step 8. Unzip Download
Step 9. Watch O&A video with the sour taste of Foundry spunk in your mouth.

Now don't forget that you have to wait for foundry to load everytime you click on something because there is so much crap on there that it takes forever to load.

I really like getting a chance to see the video that you don't get with other radio shows but you can make it alot more gooder.

They could even make it accessible via FTP client. We have enough geeks here that would LOVE to use FTP to get their O&A fix.

[billsfanone]

angrymissy,

They should fire your husband. Or reduce his pay some more.

[RMPGP]

I would be willing to code an entire site for free if I was certain they would be willing to adopt. Maybe I'll do a simple mockup sometime this week.

[Sprite]

Don't give ME the suggestion. If you have suggestion about the DESIGN, tell Jeff, if you have a suggestion ABOUT THE ADS tell steve

Holy shit, she STILL doesn't get it. I'm done.

[Wrecktum]

Foundry Music is a good way for him to get alota hits expeically being that o and a are hosted there i cant blame the man plus i dont know if o&a care enough to have there own site if they did i would think they would have it allready and further note thoses sites are hard as fuck to navagate takes like 15 mintues to figure out where im at so i dont even bother if i want something i just go to youtube or somthing

[Quinn]

I have an idea for you... take the time to program a new site and see how easy it is. And I'm not talking about installing a message board template, or a php-nuke site, actually code it from the ground up.

Again, what is so hard about clicking "O&A" once you go to foundry?

Because Foundry Sucks. Yes, we can "goto foundry and click O&A" but we're still on FOundry, and Foundry still sucks. Is that too hard for you to understand?

[angrymissy]

yeah you want a standalone video website

then design it and throw it up

This is a roundabout argument that's on here every few months

I have a personal bias so I'm checking out of the argument.

[NotYouStupid]

Another thing, If the porn is there to get money then make it a pay site. These freaks would gladly pay $5.00 a year to get download goodness. Most would shell out $10.00 a year for a simple, easy to navagate site.

[BigBuffaloFan]

angrymissy,

They should fire your husband. Or reduce his pay some more.

Does she realize her husband works for someone that works for millionaires. He should pay us for they time wasted on the site.

[NotYouStupid]

Does she realize her husband works for someone that works for millionaires. He should pay us for they time wasted on the site.

You OK? Cause, you just went thru a wall...

[BigBuffaloFan]

yeah you want a standalone video website

then design it and throw it up

This is a roundabout argument that's on here every few months

I have a personal bias so I'm checking out of the argument.

If we have first access to all the audio and video from the show we would definintly do it. There would be a whole crew of pests willing to do it. Also why would he manage a website for so long and not make a dime. I call Bravo Sierra on him doing it completly for free. If so you are married to a sucker.

[angrymissy]

I'm not here to speak for him. I'm out.

[Quinn]

Can you do it yourself? What coding languages are you proficient in? How much do you think you would charge for a redesign of foundry??

Because guess what, the person coding it is putting a lot of time in for basically free because he is a fan of the show, without asking for credit or charging a standard rate. And he is a professional web designer.

Are you going to shell out $10k for a redesign or are you going to do it yourself?

You know everytime they redesign foundry they post on all the message boards asking for input, if people gave constructive input, maybe your suggestions would be taken seriously.

If OnA were to transfer the OnA domain to one of us, all your questions would be answered. Cost would not be an issue since the site could still be monetized to compensate for the upfront costs. These points are moot as Foundry controls the OnA site. Everyone appreciates the hard work done by everyone involved. That is not even an issue. But OnA have the ability to drive alot of traffic to a website through the FM show, the XM show and the various online sources. And the simple fact is that the existing OnA site is sub-par. Is it better than nothing? Of course. But the site is designed with only the most dedicated fans in mind. Fringe fans or new listeners should not be forced to navigate that web labyrinth of a site. Online user activity is becoming closer to that of TV in which there is only a short period of time to hook in the user. Form and function are key to attract and maintain users, and Foundry lacks both.

Your support is commendable though, and I'm sure every on staff appreciates it.

[patbattlefield]

can't this be discussed without getting personal?

[watsonnostaw]

Foundry Music rules!

it is far superior to the FreeFM station websites, they stink

[Quinn]

Then next time they come around asking for suggestions, suggest that the site be pared down a bit.

The porn ads pay for the site's bandwith, they're never going to go away

Alright, I was with you for a bit but now I think you are just being defensive and missing the point.

There are other ways to monetize the website. If OnA can attract such a large number of listeners, it is a safe assumption that they can do the same with a website. I work with online advertisers who would jump at the chance to advertise with OnA online but not if their ads are going to show up next to some Scat Video company's banner. We're talking $60-$100 CPM rates for some clients.

Agian, the number one issue with the site is that it does not have the ability to have mass appeal. The form of the site is limited and the function is painful. Does anyone remember the first time they came to Foundry after listening to the OnA show? For me it was as soon as Steve was on-board with OnA. Finding clips now is almost as difficult now as it was back then...about 8 years ago.

[Death Metal Moe]

Who the fuck cares?

You get what you pay for, cut the shit.

At least you didn't have to deal with the New Tools we got shoved up our ass on Ronfez.net.

That took months to work out.

[Bob]

I dont bother with Foundry anymore, when i download a file i have no idea where those zip files go, so im sure the IT guys at work have seen some random shit on my computer.

Ill stick with You Tube for now.

[Quinn]

Steve doesn't code and design foundry. My husband does. And he does it for free. And he's not some shulmp, this is what he does for a living, but he's given hundreds of hours of his time to develop that site.

Which is why I keep saying, find someone to code, design, and support that site for free

And if ownership of the site were shifted to someone who could better monetize it for Opie and Anthony through advertising partnerships, a complete overhaul of the site and promotion of the new OnA site ONLINE as well as through OnA on-air plugs, then this would not be an issue. But as long as the Opie and Anthony site is in Steve and Jeffs hands, the Opie and Anthony fans and the potential fans and new online users out there will never get a worthwhile product. In order for their to be upgrades, the site needs to be relinquished to another party.

[danny666]

I agree that Opieandanthony.com is just a site that funnels traffic to foundrymusic.com so Steve can make money. It's not about O and A, it's about Steve C.

But the fact is Steve C controls Opieandanthony.com and probably all the old content of the show because he constantly puts everything in the foundrymusic.com basket. It would be easier to extract Hezbollah from Lebanon, then it would be foundrymusic fom Opieandanthony.com.

If Steve C ever were to get fired all the past content from the O and A show would be gone. And I'm sure that's by design. So I think it would be best if someone think ahead and stop the bleeding and make sure all O and A material is linked to opieandanthony.com. And maybe have interns update the links everyday. And this makes it all better: I M H O.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

While I appreciate the support of my lovely wife in defense of my work, I understand and agree with a lot of what you all are saying, and hope to address your concerns in the next version. FoundryMusic as it exists now is several years old, representing an unfocused and disorganized approach resulting from lack of experience. Iis something we do in our spare time, which is why it has not been redesigned in several years to accomodate growth of content and users alike as well as changes in the user interface and file sharing landscape.

Let me assure you we have learned a lot since the last version and plan to incorporate many of the tools and techniques used by larger sites in our next version, which should be coming out very soon. Navigation will be easier to use, content will be better organized and O&A will be much more prominent.

Bear with us.

[NotYouStupid]

While I appreciate the support of my lovely wife in defense of my work, I understand and agree with a lot of what you all are saying, and hope to address your concerns in the next version. FoundryMusic as it exists now is several years old, representing an unfocused and disorganized approach resulting from lack of experience. Iis something we do in our spare time, which is why it has not been redesigned in several years to accomodate growth of content and users alike as well as changes in the user interface and file sharing landscape.

Let me assure you we have learned a lot since the last version and plan to incorporate many of the tools and techniques used by larger sites in our next version, which should be coming out very soon. Navigation will be easier to use, content will be better organized and O&A will be much more prominent.

Bear with us.

I gotta say this. Your taking the criticism a lot better than the mrs. I think we put her into battle mode.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

I mean it's nothing new to me. I've heard the criticisms for years, I've made them about myself. The site is old, the coding is old, the design is old, the focus is mis-directed. We were trying to be many things at once. You get better the longer you do this, and the next version will be better. I can't guarantee 100% approval, but I think we'll get pretty close to a product everyone likes.

Enough with the Steve bashing. He works hard enough. The site isn't cheap, we break even every month. It's a ridiculous, counterproductive arguement at this point...and it certainly isn't original. The guy drives a Prius, not a Ferrari. It's inability to monetize traffic, again, has to do with the fact that its several years old and wasn't designed to do so at the time.

[HummerTuesdays]

1. Why is everyone going to Foundry Music first? I always go to OpieAndAnthony.com. Yeah, that's just a front, and everything is hosted on Foundry, but there's no searching out O&A.

2. Angry Missy, they ALWAYS ask us for input, and in EVERY thread there's a lot of people that request that they remove the amount of time between search requests. I'm pretty sure it's still there. What a fucking pain in the ass. If it's now gone, dismiss this part of the post.

3. It *is* a labrynth (sp?) of a site. Just check out how long the URL is to get to Jimmy Day photos. Oh, wait, you can't because WB truncates it. http://www.foundrymusic.com/LOUNGE/displaygallery.cfm/gallery_id/448/div/LOUNGE/gallery/LOUNGE_gallery_Kevin_Smith___Jimmy_s_B_Day.html

[TEXAS TRUCKER]

Some people don't understand that "Latest Files To Down Load" actually means what it says. Pretty simple to find and click. Even an AOL user like me can do it.

[CitizenV]

Bleh zip files...
It's cool they get all the new stuff up there though.
As another poster said they better never fire the bear he owns them with content.


-V-


http://www.myspace.com/karinations

[novalia]

sorry steve but your site is really difficult to navigate..
so we mostly dont.

[ol' Cabey leg]

Why are all the O&A pics in lounge and not opie anthony downloads? It really is all about hits to the site, not about promoting the show. They dont even put videos on the show's myspace site, it is all fucking links to foundry.

[Steve C]

All comments/complaints noted and taken into consideration. Can't have this debate for the thousandth time. Too busy. Jeff and I have worked hard on the new design and layout... some of you guys helped, and we appreciate it. Some people only bitched... and you can go screw... I'm sure you'll dig it when it's all done.

Yours Very Truly,

- Useless, money-grubbing, self-important, bully, asshole
:icon_bigg

[Dre]

All comments/complaints noted and taken into consideration. Can't have this debate for the thousandth time. Too busy. Jeff and I have worked hard on the new design and layout... some of you guys helped, and we appreciate it. Some people only bitched... and you can go screw... I'm sure you'll dig it when it's all done.

Yours Very Truly,

- Useless, money-grubbing, self-important, bully, asshole
:icon_bigg

Steve, I know you worked hard to work out all the porn ads on Foundry, but there are still those ones across the top, (I thought you were working them all out), if it is possible could you try and work those out. Just for work surfing.

Yours Very Truly,

[ceeps04]

All comments/complaints noted and taken into consideration. Can't have this debate for the thousandth time. Too busy. Jeff and I have worked hard on the new design and layout... some of you guys helped, and we appreciate it. Some people only bitched... and you can go screw... I'm sure you'll dig it when it's all done.

Yours Very Truly,

- Useless, money-grubbing, self-important, bully, asshole
:icon_bigg

No, nnno, nothing's wrong, just wait in the living room

[LazyOne]

foundry has no bandwith!

[cknight725]

Ok, what prebuilt solution are you talking about? How much is the initial cost? To buy rights exclusive to this website? What kind of support is provided?

Nerd FIGHT!!!!! :action-sm
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1049/argue1op.jpg

Incidentally, I don't see any big problem with Foundry -- its a little confusing because its a number of sites in one, but if you spend 10 mins on there and still can't figure it out, then you really shouldn't be posting on Wackbag either ...

[Ballbuster1]

This is getting stupid. We've had this arguement many times before.
Without Steve and Foundry you wouldn't be getting anywhere near
the content that you do.

[Deluxomatic]

While I appreciate the support of my lovely wife in defense of my work, I understand and agree with a lot of what you all are saying, and hope to address your concerns in the next version. FoundryMusic as it exists now is several years old, representing an unfocused and disorganized approach resulting from lack of experience. Iis something we do in our spare time, which is why it has not been redesigned in several years to accomodate growth of content and users alike as well as changes in the user interface and file sharing landscape.

Let me assure you we have learned a lot since the last version and plan to incorporate many of the tools and techniques used by larger sites in our next version, which should be coming out very soon. Navigation will be easier to use, content will be better organized and O&A will be much more prominent.

Edit: It was one thing to have a "fan site" (read FREE) rep the show in 2000-ish...but jesus christ...it's 2006.

Bear with us.

Maybe this is bannable, but why in the name of God is this not an expense absorbed by the Opie and Anthony company? The marketing/viral value of a website with as much constant new content, traffic and national exposure on a daily level is staggering.

I think because most people realize this nowadays and assume O&A Co. pay for bandwidth, etc, that you and Steve have some racket going on. I am staggered to learn that this cost, your work and Steve's web work is not compensated.

Edit: It was understandable to rely on a "fan site" back in 2000-ish. But 7 years down the road...it verges on a sin.

[RMPGP]

This is getting stupid. We've had this arguement many times before.
Without Steve and Foundry you wouldn't be getting anywhere near
the content that you do.


Can you explain what you mean by this? If ONA ran it themselves they could hire an intern to run the fucking them for them full time. At which point we'd probably get more content. I like the bear, he makes for good radio, but at this point he needs to be severed from his webmastering duties. You all heard him today, he's doing 100 things at once and going in 40 directions. The ONA site shouldn't be someone's responsibility when they have a million other responsibilities already.

[Bunny™]

Bear with us.

Yes he am.

Grrrrr.

[patbattlefield]

Can you explain what you mean by this? If ONA ran it themselves they could hire an intern to run the fucking them for them full time. At which point we'd probably get more content. I like the bear, he makes for good radio, but at this point he needs to be severed from his webmastering duties. You all heard him today, he's doing 100 things at once and going in 40 directions. The ONA site shouldn't be someone's responsibility when they have a million other responsibilities already.

STEVE ISN'T THE WEBMASTER!

i appreciate all the hard work people do for the show, but foundry, as it is now, sucks IMO.

Jeff, I look forward to the changes you guys are working on for the future.

[BigBuffaloFan]

Can you explain what you mean by this? If ONA ran it themselves they could hire an intern to run the fucking them for them full time. At which point we'd probably get more content. I like the bear, he makes for good radio, but at this point he needs to be severed from his webmastering duties. You all heard him today, he's doing 100 things at once and going in 40 directions. The ONA site shouldn't be someone's responsibility when they have a million other responsibilities already.

This is true. Also Steve has first dibs on all the audio/video. If some where to contact me to FTP all the new files as they come in. I would be able to create O&A file database. But I also would not do it for free. I spent too much money going to school to do this for free.

[Ballbuster1]

Can you explain what you mean by this? If ONA ran it themselves they could hire an intern to run the fucking them for them full time. At which point we'd probably get more content. I like the bear, he makes for good radio, but at this point he needs to be severed from his webmastering duties. You all heard him today, he's doing 100 things at once and going in 40 directions. The ONA site shouldn't be someone's responsibility when they have a million other responsibilities already.
It's very simple. I've never seen a show that has as much net content
as the O&A show and it's all due to the fact that Steve puts it up on Foundry.
Find another show that brings all the pics and video to you that O&A do.
I can't and I thank Steve for it.

[Bunny™]

This thread comes up time and time again, FMJeff has explained that changes are a-coming. There are a lot of arguments and points and suggestions people want to make.
Foundry is a cornucopia of other stuff besides O&A files.
The blogs and columns are entertaining, especially Silera's.

Foundry bashing is old and redundant. Yeah there's shit that needs improvement and again, FM Jeff has said big changes are in the works.

If you're still all uppity about the site, you really need to go masturbate.
It takes the edge off.

[BigBuffaloFan]

STEVE ISN'T THE WEBMASTER!

i appreciate all the hard work people do for the show, but foundry, as it is now, sucks IMO.

Jeff, I look forward to the changes you guys are working on for the future.

Well he is of O&A.com and needs to keep all the files there. This nothing to do with Jeff. I never mocked his web code skills. The whole point is that all the O&A files need to be on the same domain and easy to find.

I have no problem finding things.

[BigBuffaloFan]

This thread comes up time and time again, FMJeff has explained that changes are a-coming. There are a lot of arguments and points and suggestions people want to make.
Foundry is a cornucopia of other stuff besides O&A files.
The blogs and columns are entertaining, especially Silera's.

Foundry bashing is old and redundant. Yeah there's shit that needs improvement and again, FM Jeff has said big changes are in the works.

If you're still all uppity about the site, you really need to go masturbate.
It takes the edge off.

The point of the thread was not to bash Foundry. It is to get the O&A files on their own site database not to pointing to foundry.

[krispykreme]

Long time fan here, since '98. Foundry has more than done its share in getting the O&A show on the internet, and content out there. Its that "unofficial/official" nature that allows a lot of things get out there without the scrutiny of XM/CBS/Citadel. I appreciate the freedom it offers and I hope for damn sure that these guys are somehow compensated.

Great job boys!

[RMPGP]

It's very simple. I've never seen a show that has as much net content
as the O&A show and it's all due to the fact that Steve puts it up on Foundry.
Find another show that brings all the pics and video to you that O&A do.
I can't and I thank Steve for it.

Most radio shows have daily links pages where they post random shit that comes up during the show.

I'd say there is more content to be had on OAvirus.com, even if it looks like it was made in 1994 using notepad.

[Ballbuster1]

Most radio shows have daily links pages where they post random shit that comes up during the show.

I'd say there is more content to be had on OAvirus.com, even if it looks like it was made in 1994 using notepad.
Nope. While I love the stuff offered on www.oavirus.com (http://www.oavirus.com), Ed doesn't
offer you all the pics and video that Foundry does. Steve has been
and is the best source for visuals on the net for the show.

[iNFaMousToM]

I love Steve. I love Foundry. Although I do wish he would stop putting these webcam girls in the same section as O&A. I really have no idea why he puts them there, put them in the porn section or something. Also, I really wish he wouldn't cut the videos down so much as well as not put as many videos up...Every week I count 20+ bits where I think should be recorded (I think the walkovers should ALWAYS be uploaded) and every week there are only 3-5.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

I have a laundry list of about 300 changes that will be going into effect. Just to put some concerns/complaints/questions to bed:

1) Video will be much more accessible and easily tradeable. We are in the process of researching several delivery options. The fundamentals of a classic viral video site will be implemented in this version.

2) We cannot, and will not, use YouTube for content delivery. For one, thier licensing agreements are extremely sketchy. There are a number of legal gray areas as to who owns the content once its uploaded. It is also subject to thier terms of use, meaning files they deem inappropriate for thier traffic base can and will be subject to removal. It may seem, at first glance, that handing off the content to a larger provider is a good idea. The advantages are obvious...larger audience, less bandwidth costs...but you also have to take into consideration the loss of control over your content. Do you really want YouTube or other viral video sites having control over what you can/cannot see? Granted, the majority of our videos will not raise any red flags, but there will be those handful of clips that will ruin the entire experience.

3) The search engine time buffer will be removed. It was added to reduce load on the database server back when I didn't know how to code a search routine effectively. It will also be more effective in its results.

4) Photo galleries and original content will be organized to maximize exposure both for O&A material and foundry user generated material.

5) Banner ads featuring adult content will slowly be phased out in favor of Maxim-esque advertising. (Gambling, sexual enhancers, energy drinks, etc.) and contextual advertising. We may even do in-line and interstitials, depending on how obnoxious it is.

6) Fonts and font sizing will be more consistent with easier readabiliy.

7) O&A content will be optimizied for maximum accessibilty, with changes to opieandanthony.com to reflect this as well.

In fact both sites will be redesigned in tandem.

Just hang out. It's coming. Just need to free up a block of time.

[zagman76]

I have a laundry list of about 300 changes that will be going into effect. Just to put some concerns/complaints/questions to bed:

1) Video will be much more accessible and easily tradeable. We are in the process of researching several delivery options. The fundamentals of a classic viral video site will be implemented in this version.

2) We cannot, and will not, use YouTube for content delivery. For one, thier licensing agreements are extremely sketchy. There are a number of legal gray areas as to who owns the content once its uploaded. It is also subject to thier terms of use, meaning files they deem inappropriate for thier traffic base can and will be subject to removal. It may seem, at first glance, that handing off the content to a larger provider is a good idea. The advantages are obvious...larger audience, less bandwidth costs...but you also have to take into consideration the loss of control over your content. Do you really want YouTube or other viral video sites having control over what you can/cannot see? Granted, the majority of our videos will not raise any red flags, but there will be those handful of clips that will ruin the entire experience.

3) The search engine time buffer will be removed. It was added to reduce load on the database server back when I didn't know how to code a search routine effectively. It will also be more effective in its results.

4) Photo galleries and original content will be organized to maximize exposure both for O&A material and foundry user generated material.

5) Banner ads featuring adult content will slowly be phased out in favor of Maxim-esque advertising. (Gambling, sexual enhancers, energy drinks, etc.) and contextual advertising. We may even do in-line and interstitials, depending on how obnoxious it is.

6) Fonts and font sizing will be more consistent with easier readabiliy.

7) O&A content will be optimizied for maximum accessibilty, with changes to opieandanthony.com to reflect this as well.

In fact both sites will be redesigned in tandem.

Just hang out. It's coming. Just need to free up a block of time.


Thanks for the update Jeff!

(any chance of moving away from coldfusion? :icon_mrgr )

[RMPGP]

I have a laundry list of about 300 changes that will be going into effect. Just to put some concerns/complaints/questions to bed:

1) Video will be much more accessible and easily tradeable. We are in the process of researching several delivery options. The fundamentals of a classic viral video site will be implemented in this version.

2) We cannot, and will not, use YouTube for content delivery. For one, thier licensing agreements are extremely sketchy. There are a number of legal gray areas as to who owns the content once its uploaded. It is also subject to thier terms of use, meaning files they deem inappropriate for thier traffic base can and will be subject to removal. It may seem, at first glance, that handing off the content to a larger provider is a good idea. The advantages are obvious...larger audience, less bandwidth costs...but you also have to take into consideration the loss of control over your content. Do you really want YouTube or other viral video sites having control over what you can/cannot see? Granted, the majority of our videos will not raise any red flags, but there will be those handful of clips that will ruin the entire experience.

3) The search engine time buffer will be removed. It was added to reduce load on the database server back when I didn't know how to code a search routine effectively. It will also be more effective in its results.

4) Photo galleries and original content will be organized to maximize exposure both for O&A material and foundry user generated material.

5) Banner ads featuring adult content will slowly be phased out in favor of Maxim-esque advertising. (Gambling, sexual enhancers, energy drinks, etc.) and contextual advertising. We may even do in-line and interstitials, depending on how obnoxious it is.

6) Fonts and font sizing will be more consistent with easier readabiliy.

7) O&A content will be optimizied for maximum accessibilty, with changes to opieandanthony.com to reflect this as well.

In fact both sites will be redesigned in tandem.

Just hang out. It's coming. Just need to free up a block of time.

Can you make it cleaner and less busy? Read the holy grail of web usuability: "Don't Make Me Think" forwards and backwards.

And for video: fuck youtube, however you absolutely MUST use Flash as the sole way to distribute video. Anything else (Quicktime especially) stinks.

[Turfmower]

So what is wrong with Foundry? Why should it be changed? What is the big issue with typing in foundrymusic.com, then clicking OPIE AND ANTHONY?


All the dam porn.

[Turfmower]

Then next time they come around asking for suggestions, suggest that the site be pared down a bit.

The porn ads pay for the site's bandwith, they're never going to go away

you could have Plus members pay small few no porn and no adds.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Thanks for the update Jeff!

(any chance of moving away from coldfusion? :icon_mrgr )

I don't see how the language is relevant to this conversation. If it does what you want it to do, then what do you care what I code it in?

If its good enough for MySpace it's good enough for FoundryMusic.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Can you make it cleaner and less busy? Read the holy grail of web usuability: "Don't Make Me Think" forwards and backwards.

And for video: fuck youtube, however you absolutely MUST use Flash as the sole way to distribute video. Anything else (Quicktime especially) stinks.

Unfortunately, the Flash Server is about $4500 and we really have zero desire in going back to through our archives and re-encoding them. If we were going to do anything, it would be Quicktime, as we can make them podcast compatible.

[RMPGP]

Myspace runs like a piece of fucking garbage. I don't think it scales as well as other languages but maybe they are improving it.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

you could have Plus members pay small few no porn and no adds.

What, pray tell, would we offer as a value added service people would pay for? Obviously not video, and we can't sell audio as we do not have permission.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Myspace runs like a piece of fucking garbage. I don't think it scales as well as other languages but maybe they are improving it.

Without knowing thier infrastructure, I would say its doing pretty well. Considering the massive volume of traffic hitting thier servers on a daily basis, I'm surprised it's doing as well as it is.

I find those who criticize ColdFusion don't completely understand it. It's essentially a Java based application server, and it scales quite well if you know what you're doing. Adobe wouldn't have wasted the money merging with MacroMedia and developing the language further if they didn't see potential in it.

I've seen .net and php applications crash under load just as quickly as ColdFusion if the application is not coded properly. It really comes down to effective coding practices in both SQL and DML.

Besides, Microsoft doesn't have the right to control every aspect of my web experience. I'm supporting the "little guys".

[cknight725]

Steve & Jeff -

The haters don't get it -- you'll never make everyone happy -- so just go with this: "You don't like foundry? -- Flush, Buy, Fuck."

[RMPGP]

Aren't most of the big boy sites (not bigboys.com, but high traffic sites) using pre-compiled server code anyway? An interpreted language like CF is going to have problems with a giant amount of traffic/server load.

Obviously this has nothing to do with your FM since you aren't going to be getting millions of hits a day. Also, let's face it, the language has little to do with how well a database driven site performs, it really comes down to the sql that is written and the database structure.

[CrazyMrPoopSex]

only complaint I have about foundry is the viseos need to just play in the browser like every other site does, I hate downloading them and having to close 4 windows

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Aren't most of the big boy sites (not bigboys.com, but high traffic sites) using pre-compiled server code anyway? An interpreted language like CF is going to have problems with a giant amount of traffic/server load.

Obviously this has nothing to do with your FM since you aren't going to be getting millions of hits a day. Also, let's face it, the language has little to do with how well a database driven site performs, it really comes down to the sql that is written and the database structure.

They most likely are, however ColdFusion has caching properties which allow you to store compiled pages in memory, so its essentially the same thing. It's important to note, however, that none of the inline operations on any of our sites are particularly complex. I highly doubt you will see any noticeable difference in execution times between pre-compiled server code and on-the-fly compiled code (cached or uncached) as 95% of most of the pages on our sites are predominately simple HTML with the occassional conditional statement, variable set or query call.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

only complaint I have about foundry is the viseos need to just play in the browser like every other site does, I hate downloading them and having to close 4 windows

This is scheduled for the next version, its actually our number one priority.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Steve & Jeff -

The haters don't get it -- you'll never make everyone happy -- so just go with this: "You don't like foundry? -- Flush, Buy, Fuck."

Honestly, I don't see it as hating. The gripes are legitimite, and if I was forced to use the site in its current form without the possibility of a change I would be dissatisfied with its performance as well.

But let's not forget, it's not just the fans that have a problem with it, it's O&A too, and that's important to me.

Most importantly, to me anyway, is I'm not happy with it, so it's gonna change.

[Sprite]

If we were going to do anything, it would be Quicktime, as we can make them podcast compatible.

Yeah, cuz Quicktime is a real great way to view video and a program that almost everyone has and uses on their computer. :icon_roll

[BIV]

I have a laundry list of about 300 changes that will be going into effect. Just to put some concerns/complaints/questions to bed:

1) Video will be much more accessible and easily tradeable. We are in the process of researching several delivery options. The fundamentals of a classic viral video site will be implemented in this version.

2) We cannot, and will not, use YouTube for content delivery. For one, thier licensing agreements are extremely sketchy. There are a number of legal gray areas as to who owns the content once its uploaded. It is also subject to thier terms of use, meaning files they deem inappropriate for thier traffic base can and will be subject to removal. It may seem, at first glance, that handing off the content to a larger provider is a good idea. The advantages are obvious...larger audience, less bandwidth costs...but you also have to take into consideration the loss of control over your content. Do you really want YouTube or other viral video sites having control over what you can/cannot see? Granted, the majority of our videos will not raise any red flags, but there will be those handful of clips that will ruin the entire experience.

3) The search engine time buffer will be removed. It was added to reduce load on the database server back when I didn't know how to code a search routine effectively. It will also be more effective in its results.

4) Photo galleries and original content will be organized to maximize exposure both for O&A material and foundry user generated material.

5) Banner ads featuring adult content will slowly be phased out in favor of Maxim-esque advertising. (Gambling, sexual enhancers, energy drinks, etc.) and contextual advertising. We may even do in-line and interstitials, depending on how obnoxious it is.

6) Fonts and font sizing will be more consistent with easier readabiliy.

7) O&A content will be optimizied for maximum accessibilty, with changes to opieandanthony.com to reflect this as well.

In fact both sites will be redesigned in tandem.

Just hang out. It's coming. Just need to free up a block of time.

Can you add "no more logos on the videos?" It ruins the video and is hack.

And can you get a computer savvy intern the codes so the turn around for show content can be less than and hour and we can get much more of it?

[Dayull]

I really do hate Steve's fucking site. That fucking douche is trying to make it big with another humor site, getting hits just because of O&A. Nobody would go to that site if it weren't for them. Everything else on that site is trash. He has so full of shit that it's near impossible for someone new to the site to navigate or find anything that they're trying to find. Why do you think people are using YouTube now? the whole process of going to opieandanthony.com, clicking on a link that advertises O&A, searching hundreds of words of text to find one fucking video or picture link, having to download it, then having to fucking unzip it so stupid Steve doesn't have to spend some more money to host it. Then you have to deal with the shit quality of the videos and the fucking foundry music watermark that takes up half the fucking screen-- why can't he just have it small in the corner like a noremal fucking site. This is just him trying to get more fucking hits on his stupid site. Fuck Steve, die.

[HummerTuesdays]

FMJeff...if FM is going to use quick time, can you please include a tutorial? (Kind of like myspace is doing with Flash 9, I guess.) I tried viewing a video a while back, my work PC said I needed QT or a plug-in or something, I followed all the instructions in the pop-ups, went to quck time, and whatever I needed wasn't available. I got the same message on my personal laptop. What a fucking frustrating pain in the ass. I eventually found what I wanted on YouTube.

[ruckstande]

I'm still all for uncompressed Bittorrent files of video. Nothing has to be stored on the server except small torrent files.

[doobdoob]

I'm still all for uncompressed Bittorrent files of video. Nothing has to be stored on the server except small torrent files.
They said they'd be updating the site, not that they'd be stepping into the modern age. You're expecting FAR too much, although it would be the smartest idea.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Considering only a small percentage of people know what BitTorrent is I doubt that would make any sense.

[kevtv]

come on guys, how can you rag on that easily-navigated, simple to download site known as foundry? i love having to type in a name and age every time i go in, makes me feel like i'm at a club and am on the guest list. i haven't been denied yet.

kev

[SAWYER]

i HATE all of the stupid pop-ups on foundry music.

They should just put everything on you tube.

[patbattlefield]

Considering only a small percentage of people know what BitTorrent is I doubt that would make any sense.

you should do logins for downloads. make people who want to download register on the site.

[SAWYER]

I really do hate Steve's fucking site. That fucking douche is trying to make it big with another humor site, getting hits just because of O&A. Nobody would go to that site if it weren't for them. Everything else on that site is trash. He has so full of shit that it's near impossible for someone new to the site to navigate or find anything that they're trying to find. Why do you think people are using YouTube now? the whole process of going to opieandanthony.com, clicking on a link that advertises O&A, searching hundreds of words of text to find one fucking video or picture link, having to download it, then having to fucking unzip it so stupid Steve doesn't have to spend some more money to host it. Then you have to deal with the shit quality of the videos and the fucking foundry music watermark that takes up half the fucking screen-- why can't he just have it small in the corner like a noremal fucking site. This is just him trying to get more fucking hits on his stupid site. Fuck Steve, die.

WELL PUT!!!!!!!!!!!

[HummerTuesdays]

Considering only a small percentage of people know what BitTorrent is I doubt that would make any sense.

Wow! I'll take that as a compliment. I know what a torrent is, and use them regularly. I never considered myself any sort of internet/dl expert. Who knew I was on the cutting edge of technology. Personally, I had a MUCH easier time figuring out torrents. If I can figure it out, so can the average O&A fan.

I still can't get QuickTime to work.

Edit: This is not a bitch-post. Just saying what my experice has been. :)

[mybysigh]

Why not take the O&A website completely out of Steve's hands. There Site has always sucked. It is slow and cumbersome. Foundrymusic is slow and cumbersome. Take Steve out of the picture completely.

[wetandstickyjim]

I didn't read every page so I may be repetive, not to mention redundant. Foundry advertises and the rates are probably based on a hit count and O&A generate a lot of traffic for them. It is quirky and I appreciate foundrymusicjeffs comments.
I don't care that much tho.

[patbattlefield]

Why not take the O&A website completely out of Steve's hands. There Site has always sucked. It is slow and cumbersome. Foundrymusic is slow and cumbersome. Take Steve out of the picture completely.

this is turning into a steve bashing thread real fast. LEAVE OUR FUZZY WUZZY BEAR ALONE!!!

[mybysigh]

I posted my message after voting, and did not get to reading the whole thread until just now. I realize now that I was just piling on. I apologize Steve and all involved at FM.

As an aside, AngryMissy rules. I love a woman who sticks up for her man. She must be a good egg.

[mybysigh]

Can you add "no more logos on the videos?" It ruins the video and is hack.

And can you get a computer savvy intern the codes so the turn around for show content can be less than and hour and we can get much more of it?


More importantly, the FM logos were blocking the Kristen Bell and Toni Collette's legs.

I think the amount of content we get is quite generous. If people want to watch the entire show, they can get PalTalk

[danny666]

Why not take the O&A website completely out of Steve's hands. There Site has always sucked. It is slow and cumbersome. Foundrymusic is slow and cumbersome. Take Steve out of the picture completely.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

If O and A every get a hit video that goes 'viral' it just points to Foundrymusic.com. That hairy Lebanese even had the nerve a few times brag about his sites traffic compared to O and A's. Yeah because that's where all the content is. Stop the cancer and have Opieandanthony.com links directly point to stuff on opieandanthony.com, it should never point to foundrymusic.

To stop the bleeding they need to hire a company that designs web sites(not one of Steve C family members), maybe pay for it with show mentions. Pay whatever ransom that Lebanese bear wants for the old content of O and A that's on foundry and place it in control of opieandanthony.com, maybe it can be done by just getting him a raise. But if getting the old content away from foundrymusic is a problem then fuck it just be concerned with future content being on opieandanthony.com.

This sob story about Steve being poor and how bandwidth cost a lot(which it doesn't but for someone who needs to make a profit for the site advertising boner cream it does) shouldn't be anyones problem. The fact is O and A should be in control of the site and their corporation should bear the expense of the site as the cost of doing business. Everything on the site should be about promotion of the show and maybe selling XM radios and Tshirts to help defray costs.

On Opieandanthony.com there should be a list of dates of the show and the links for that day. When you click on the date of a show, you should be able to click on the links and video and audio should appear like on youtube, not some zip file. And the watermarks should say opieandanthony.com not foundrymusic.com. To control bandwidth people should have to log on to access the site.

[lawdawg0417]

i think that the guy who runs oavirus.com should run the ona website.

[D.H. Jenkins]

This is what happens every time the bbboys mention their site on the show (like 3 mintues ago):

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9907/stevesucksvq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And that's why *I* hate you, steve.

[Scuba Steve]

Yeah, cuz Quicktime is a real great way to view video and a program that almost everyone has and uses on their computer. :icon_roll


hey sprite why don't you lay off. They are doing the best they can. Give them a little credit since they are going to redo the site. If you don't like it go else where no one is making you go to foundry its your own choice.

[D.H. Jenkins]

hey sprite why don't you lay off. They are doing the best they can. Give them a little credit since they are going to redo the site. If you don't like it go else where no one is making you go to foundry its your own choice.

It's a national radio show - 'good enough' and 'best they can' do not apply.

They get paid to do it - that's their credit.

The pictures on the site aren't available anywhere else until after they've been 'copied', so yes, we ARE forced to go to foundry.

[TheJerseyDevil]

Thh..thats terrible im sorry.

[RMPGP]

hey sprite why don't you lay off. They are doing the best they can. Give them a little credit since they are going to redo the site. If you don't like it go else where no one is making you go to foundry its your own choice.


quicktime sucks dick. forget about podcasts, why would they be worried about podcasts for the videos?

streaming flash video all the way.

[Turfmower]

Wow! I'll take that as a compliment. I know what a torrent is, and use them regularly. I never considered myself any sort of internet/dl expert. Who knew I was on the cutting edge of technology. Personally, I had a MUCH easier time figuring out torrents. If I can figure it out, so can the average O&A fan.

I still can't get QuickTime to work.

Edit: This is not a bitch-post. Just saying what my experice has been. :)


I don't have a clue what Bit torrent is and I was going online before there was an internet.

[Steve C]

I would like to point one thing out, and then I am off work on radio show shit, and Jeff is off to redesign the oa.com layout this evening:

240 people voted on this poll between yesterday and today... and probably just as many piled on to kick me in the nuts.

In the past 48 hours, about 100,000 people have visited foundrymusic.com (some through opieandanthony.com and others through bookmarks, search engines, and various sources)

If you were me, who would YOU be more concerned with? The 200 people who we are NEVER going to please, or the 99,800 people who are pretty cool with what we do?

With that said, we're working on it. You'll dig it. Relax and have faith

[robinquivers]

I would like to point one thing out, and then I am off work on radio show shit, and Jeff is off to redesign the oa.com layout this evening:

240 people voted on this poll between yesterday and today... and probably just as many piled on to kick me in the nuts.

In the past 48 hours, about 100,000 people have visited foundrymusic.com (some through opieandanthony.com and others through bookmarks, search engines, and various sources)

If you were me, who would YOU be more concerned with? The 200 people who we are NEVER going to please, or the 99,800 people who are pretty cool with what we do?

With that said, we're working on it. You'll dig it. Relax and have faith

I have faith in you Steve.:action-sm
And yes I am a kiss ass.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

It's a national radio show - 'good enough' and 'best they can' do not apply.

They get paid to do it - that's their credit.

The pictures on the site aren't available anywhere else until after they've been 'copied', so yes, we ARE forced to go to foundry.

But we don't get paid, so you're point is moot.

And the arguement that O&A should hire thier own company is getting tired. I'll say it again, so its clear. The site is old. It will be changed. I never said this was "good enough" or "the best i can do". Read my words. I said the site could be better, should be changed, and will be changed.

I also find it a little ridiculous how any of you could attack Steve. Who the fuck cares who runs it? If it wasn't Steve, and the site didn't do the job, you'd be angry at whomever was in control of it. Enough already. Steve has nothing to do with it. He didn't design it. I did. Blame me if you want, but leave the guy out of it. All he does is work 18 hour days to get you the content you're looking for.

[D.H. Jenkins]

There's only 200 of us complaining because your site can't take any more.


EDIT:
You must get something, or you wouldn't do it.

The "good enough" and "best i can do" wasn't a quote from you.

Steve is the only name we hear associated with foundry, so he gets the shit. Have him start mentioning your name on the air and I'm sure you'll get your ration of it.

[BigBuffaloFan]

But we don't get paid, so you're point is moot.

And the arguement that O&A should hire thier own company is getting tired. I'll say it again, so its clear. The site is old. It will be changed. I never said this was "good enough" or "the best i can do". Read my words. I said the site could be better, should be changed, and will be changed.

I also find it a little ridiculous how any of you could attack Steve. Who the fuck cares who runs it? If it wasn't Steve, and the site didn't do the job, you'd be angry at whomever was in control of it. Enough already. Steve has nothing to do with it. He didn't design it. I did. Blame me if you want, but leave the guy out of it. All he does is work 18 hour days to get you the content you're looking for.

www.oavirus.com is the perfect example of what we are talking about and he does it for free. Also for how popular the show is how are you doing it completely for free? Why would you do that you are not getting any exposure Steve is. If it was a show just starting out I could see that but O&A need to put some money on their own shows site or they have no reason to bitch if someone is doing that for no money.

[Deluxomatic]

I would like to point one thing out, and then I am off work on radio show shit, and Jeff is off to redesign the oa.com layout this evening:

240 people voted on this poll between yesterday and today... and probably just as many piled on to kick me in the nuts.

In the past 48 hours, about 100,000 people have visited foundrymusic.com (some through opieandanthony.com and others through bookmarks, search engines, and various sources)

If you were me, who would YOU be more concerned with? The 200 people who we are NEVER going to please, or the 99,800 people who are pretty cool with what we do?

With that said, we're working on it. You'll dig it. Relax and have faith

Some of us have alluded, suggested and asked outright...but why are O&A not paying for someone to develop and run the site like it was 2006 as opposed to having someone do it for "free" a la 1996?

[RMPGP]

I would like to point one thing out, and then I am off work on radio show shit, and Jeff is off to redesign the oa.com layout this evening:

240 people voted on this poll between yesterday and today... and probably just as many piled on to kick me in the nuts.

In the past 48 hours, about 100,000 people have visited foundrymusic.com (some through opieandanthony.com and others through bookmarks, search engines, and various sources)

If you were me, who would YOU be more concerned with? The 200 people who we are NEVER going to please, or the 99,800 people who are pretty cool with what we do?

With that said, we're working on it. You'll dig it. Relax and have faith

Running that website should be a fulltime job for someone. You sir are over-extended enough as it is. Why don't you request an intern to work on the site? There are tons of web developer interns who would blow you to get this job. Fuck you could get 2 of them.

So why not?

[danny666]

Some of us have alluded, suggested and asked outright...but why are O&A not paying for someone to develop and run the site like it was 2006 as opposed to having someone do it for "free" a la 1996?

Exactly. O and A are a big time show. Why is some employee of theirs handling their website and putting nickle and dime ads on it to pay for bandwidth and complaining that he can't afford it.

It really makes O and A look small time to have their official site have to be funded by porn ads and now dating services. None of the major radios shows do that on their official sites. That's stuff fan sites and one market wonder DJs do.

The fact is WHY IS O AND A BRANDING FOUNDRYMUSIC.COM. THEY SHOULD BE BRANDING OPIEANDANTHONY.COM. At the very least stuff from the show should have "OPIEANDANTHONY.COM" watermarked on it. Steves main concern is using opieandanthony.com to prop up his side business foundrymusic.com.

[agentjmw]

Jeff you might want to be very cautious with the gambling links.

[ZeoVGM]

I haven't read any of this thread so I'll just say my long-running opinion:

Opie & Anthony.com is a crappy small site. It worked before, but they're bigtime now. The site needs to reflect it.

And Foundry is just a horrible site to navigate with 324532432-character URLs for downloading stuff. It's annoying.

And what danny just said above me, I agree 100%.

[LilChester]

Ahhhh.... the porn filters at work are blocking your playtime.

Exactly. I wish he would take the porn off the site. The boys put a clip up on opieandanthony.com that links you to foundry. Foundry has half naked chicks everywhere. It's not exactly suitable for work when I'm just trying to download a file.
If I want porn off the internet, I have no problem finding it. Just take it off the site. :icon_evil

[doobdoob]

Steve, the only reason 100K people went to foundrymusic is because they have to if they want the content. You can't claim people like something if they have to use it. By your logic, everyone in China fucking loves the government just because it's the only government available to them.

[Skeet Slambone]

Another thing, If the porn is there to get money then make it a pay site. These freaks would gladly pay $5.00 a year to get download goodness. Most would shell out $10.00 a year for a simple, easy to navagate site.

Already tried. Already failed.

[RMPGP]

this isn't about the show. the show is great. do a search on my posts and you'll see my continually praising the show.

[Hummercash]

this isn't about the show. the show is great. do a search on my posts and you'll see my continually praising the show.
foundry is show related... (un)OFFICIALLY.

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Tell you what, if you don't like the new approaches we plan to take with both opieandanthony.com and foundrymusic.com, feel free to bitch all you want. Until then, complaining about a site that's getting redesigned in accordance with your requests is like yelling at a girl for giving you a blowjob.

Give me one month.

[RMPGP]

Tell you what, if you don't like the new approaches we plan to take with both opieandanthony.com and foundrymusic.com, feel free to bitch all you want. Until then, complaining about a site that's getting redesigned in accordance with your requests is like yelling at a girl for giving you a blowjob.

Give me one month.

Fair enough sir, fair enough.

[MonsterRain]

I would like to point one thing out, and then I am off work on radio show shit, and Jeff is off to redesign the oa.com layout this evening:

240 people voted on this poll between yesterday and today... and probably just as many piled on to kick me in the nuts.

In the past 48 hours, about 100,000 people have visited foundrymusic.com (some through opieandanthony.com and others through bookmarks, search engines, and various sources)

If you were me, who would YOU be more concerned with? The 200 people who we are NEVER going to please, or the 99,800 people who are pretty cool with what we do?

With that said, we're working on it. You'll dig it. Relax and have faith


Whoopie fucking do. 50k hits a day. If foundry was never associated with O&A, then how many hits would you have? And how many people have ever complemented you on the navigation/design of foundry? No one. People only visit the site because they have to in order to get the o&a related content they want, not because it's "pretty cool."

Everyone is piling on Steve and Jeff, but really they shouldn't have anything to do with it. O&A need to get professionals to handle the job right. Youtube, newgrounds.com, college humor, etc can handle much higher traffic loads - (newgrounds.com gets 20x the traffic serving out flash and they have like a staff of 2). They need to realize this is 2006 and that websites can drive their branding and attract listeners to the show if it is done properly instead of the abortion that is foundry.

no reason to overcomplicate- there is a simple formula for hosting a file repository site:
Web server farm
db server for metadata
fileserver with content

[FoundryMusicJeff]

Whoopie fucking do. 50k hits a day. If foundry was never associated with O&A, then how many hits would you have? And how many people have ever complemented you on the navigation/design of foundry? No one. People only visit the site because they have to in order to get the o&a related content they want, not because it's "pretty cool."

Everyone is piling on Steve and Jeff, but really they shouldn't have anything to do with it. O&A need to get professionals to handle the job right. Youtube, newgrounds.com, college humor, etc can handle much higher traffic loads - (newgrounds.com gets 20x the traffic serving out flash and they have like a staff of 2). They need to realize this is 2006 and that websites can drive their branding and attract listeners to the show if it is done properly instead of the abortion that is foundry.

no reason to overcomplicate- there is a simple formula for hosting a file repository site:
Web server farm
db server for metadata
fileserver with content

Douchefuck. I am a professional. I've been doing this for 10 years and I'm very well paid for it. I'll be the first to admit that FoundryMusic in its current form is not reflective of what I can do nowadays. It will be better.

Shut the fuck up already.

[patbattlefield]

why don't we just close this thread and then when the site is revamped we can discuss it further? this is just a bashfest now.

[angrymissy]

I can't believe people are still bitching after your issues were addressed and BOTH SITES ARE BEING TOTALLY REVAMPED.

fucking ponderous.

[Death Metal Moe]

People need things to complain about.

It's natural.