Who is the better musician/lyricist?

[chumpy]

I'm keeping with who I know as choices. If you have others you feel are worthy let me know.


I know I spelled lyricist wrong but I don't know how to change it

[Absolutely]

I'd maybe put Lennon on there.
Maybe / Sir Paul.
This list though how can you not go with Bobby D.

[chumpy]

Damn you're right.

I need to figure out how to add him in

[honky]

it's an odd question. musically, i think paul simon has greater overall talent than the others, but i think bob dylan has more insightful and creative lyrics. i had to vote for bob just based on "rainy day women #12 and #35." if you want the total package, lennon is definitely a good choice as is bob marley.

[Bone Dry]

Eric Clapton? Had to go with other.

[sknight]

I'll answer, despite this question being in the metal forum.

Lennon.

All of them produced weak music, however, but Lennon was ok. Simon turned 25% of America into pussies. I find him to be the predecessor for metal because America needed to lash back violently from the brink of pussydom. It could have been worse; Steely Dan.

[WonkaVision]

Hands Down John Lennon is the best musician....Bob dylan is the best lyricist.

[chumpy]

I'll answer, despite this question being in the metal forum.

Lennon.

All of them produced weak music, however, but Lennon was ok. Simon turned 25% of America into pussies. I find him to be the predecessor for metal because America needed to lash back violently from the brink of pussydom. It could have been worse; Steely Dan.


It says music forum, not metal forum.

[Absolutely]

It says music forum, not metal forum.

Yeah, but I've noticed it's Metal slanted.
Even though Metal STINKS

[FMDoug]

Even though Metal STINKS

uh oh, no you didn't.

I'd vote for dylan as the lyricist and paul simon as the musician. To combine those two I'd vote for John Lennon. Neil young is a terrific musician but not quite as good as paul simon and marley died way to early for me to figure it out. His lyrics were good but the music was generally the same reggae beat.

[Death Metal Moe]

Yeah, but I've noticed it's Metal slanted.
Even though Metal STINKS

DOES IT, fella?

Anyway, all these guys that are listed are fucking shitdicks anyway.

Nobody beats THIS man.

http://www.chriscarnel.com/portfolio/musicians/images/wesley_willis.jpg

May God rest his soul.

[sknight]

That's not Wesley Willis, is it?

I do have to agree that the list is a bunch of peacenick shitdicks. Bono being the torchbearer for them, screaming about forgiving the world debt. Well, Mr Bono, you tour most of the year and in turn under the taxation laws, you don't pay anything to much in taxes. Try being a working stiff whose money goes to support endless struggles and corruption in third world countries, while we're not even equipped to help our own people after a hurricane.

The fact is the songs are one thing because they reflect an ideology, which is great. The problem arises when these faggots try to carry out this simplisitc ideology in a complicated, delicate, and intertwined world. Metal will tell you this, not pop peacenick faggots.

[25133WhooOoAH]

john lennon is awesome

[Death Metal Moe]

That's not Wesley Willis, is it?

I do have to agree that the list is a bunch of peacenick shitdicks. Bono being the torchbearer for them, screaming about forgiving the world debt. Well, Mr Bono, you tour most of the year and in turn under the taxation laws, you don't pay anything to much in taxes. Try being a working stiff whose money goes to support endless struggles and corruption in third world countries, while we're not even equipped to help our own people after a hurricane.

The fact is the songs are one thing because they reflect an ideology, which is great. The problem arises when these faggots try to carry out this simplisitc ideology in a complicated, delicate, and intertwined world. Metal will tell you this, not pop peacenick faggots.

Very well said. Also, why does every fucking song I hear have to be about saving the world? How about a song that's just a fucking song. What is it with these guys? They his a certian age or get some popularity and suddenly this "Gotta save the world" switch goes off. Just write music jerkoffs.

And yes, the person in that picture is none other than the man who brought us "Rock n Roll McDonalds" And "Suck a Pit Bull's Dick."

[sknight]

There's a dude at my local metal record store that was wearing a WW teeshirt and we had a long talk about him. I remember seeing him first on hoo hoo then hearing he died. Great he was able to pick himself out of schizophrenia through music and that people helped him along the way.

[sknight]

I think Dave Mustaine should have been on that list in the vein of socially aware lyrics.

What happened to David Gilmour and Roger Waters? This list sucks.

[Puddle O AIDs]

although i personally think bob dylan is a better songwriter, im going with Mr Young because he is getting no love in this poll despite being one of the bigest icons in rock while still churning out topical good shit to this day

[SuperGolfer]

I'd put Smokey Robinson in there. He was one of the major forces both as a composer and lyricist (also producer) that made Motown huge.

Almost every hit that Motown put out has "William Robinson Jr." as either sole composer or as a contributor.

Just watch the end credits of the documentary "Standing in the Shadows of Motown," and you'll see. Actually, the rest of the movie is pretty incredible too.

He cannot be lauded enough.

[abudabit]

Frank Black, even if you don't like his newer styles you still have to appreciate the talent.

[PCLoadLetter]

What happened to David Gilmour and Roger Waters? This list sucks.
First you decry the peacenik, socially-aware songwriters/performers... And then wonder why Gilmour and Waters aren't on the list, and their absence makes the list suck? WTF?

Are Mustaine's "socially aware lyrics" acceptable because of his being a metal artist?

[sknight]

First you decry the peacenik, socially-aware songwriters/performers... And then wonder why Gilmour and Waters aren't on the list, and their absence makes the list suck? WTF?

Are Mustaine's "socially aware lyrics" acceptable because of his being a metal artist?
Apparently you're applying the "peacenick, socially aware" labels to Waters and Gilmour. The OP posted simply about certain songwriters and they are garbage compared to these two men.

Pussies don't like Gilmour solos, btw.

Now Mustaine's lyrics contrasted the peacenicks because they reflected the wrongs, not the simpleton's ideology of "peace and love", but exposed the listener to the feelings some have about the futility of dealing in a complex world of corruption, back-scratching, and give and take of politics. People like him didn't shroud the listener in "pretty" lyrics. They told things the way they are, not as a simplistic ideology They went for people who were willing to look at all the different angles of the situations and decide for themselves where to stand, not to walk into a debate saying, "Why can't everyone love each other".

[PCLoadLetter]

Apparently you're applying the "peacenick, socially aware" labels to Waters and Gilmour.
No, I'm not. Using YOUR definition (or at least using the examples you've listed above of peacenik pussies), Waters and Gilmour absolutely ARE peaceniks/socially-aware pussies... Especially Waters, but even Gilmour has written song after song decrying war and violence in his solo work and that with Pink Floyd. The Floyd reunion at Live 8, which couldn't possibly be more at odds with your fuck-the-activist-artists rant above, is further evidence of what a pussy Gilmour (and Waters) must be.

[sknight]

What is wrong with decrying war?

Do you like being at war?

[PCLoadLetter]

Yes. I love it.

Now that we've established that, how do you reconcile your hatred of artists that promote third-world debt relief ("Try being a working stiff whose money goes to support endless struggles and corruption in third world countries") with your assertion that Messrs. Waters and Gilmour aren't peacenik pussies, even though they lent their name and talent to an event that promoted third-world debt relief (Live 8).

[sknight]

Read my posts more carefully.

When your rage subsides, of course.

[PCLoadLetter]

Read my posts more carefully.

When your rage subsides, of course.
LOL

My rage is nearly non-existent. Your moral dilemma, however, isn't.

[sknight]

Again, read my posts more closely and you may see something different.

[DonTheTrucker]

I hate peacenik hippy artists, but it doesn't change the fact that Dave Gilmour is one of the best musicians and Roger Waters is one of the best lyricists, and together they are the equal of Lennon and McCartney.

And the real anti war stuff from Floyd started with The Final Cut and the solo albums from Waters. The majority of their stuff prior to 1983 was about the relationships between people, with a few notable exceptions (Us and Them, Breathe)

Just because we don't agree with them personally doesn't mean we can't enjoy their music.

[Death Metal Moe]

We should declare war on peacenicks.

[sknight]

Ding ding!

Thank you Don!

Incidentally, The Final Cut was basically a Waters solo album put under the Floyd label. The relationship between the other three and him was so strained that they were essentially hired hands. Waters issue is that he never knew his father, who died in a war before he was born. The Final Cut was about that. Prior to that, pretty much everything from the departure of Syd Barrett was about him, directly and metaphorically. Dark Side was about his breakdown, Wish You Were Here, same thing, and The Wall was in some respects more metaphorically inspired by Syd's life and departure.

In my opinion, Waters was the superior writer between the two, but they both needed each other for unrivaled music. The last two Floyd albums had teams of outside writers for a reason.

[abudabit]

Lyrics are hollow image, vocalization matters.

[RobeSoup&Tears]

Lyricist = Bono
Musician = The Edge, Daniel Lanois, Steve Lillywhite, Brian Eno, Flood, Martin Gore.

[Monster_Rain893]

John Lennon for sure, you have to look at the whole picture, not only did Lennon write some of the most stunning works of the sixties but he reinvinted himself in the seventies with songs like Imagine and Just Gimme Some Truth. And as a guitar player I can say surely that he is the best guitarist on that list. His rhythm style is so distinct, evident in songs such as Norweigan Wood, and he wrote some of the most memorable riffs ever, has anybody heard of a song by the name of Day Tripper? best riff ever? I mean dylan may be a better writer but his guitar playing is stale and uninspired the chord changes are predictable and damn repetitive.

and to those linking waters and gilmour i must say you are giving me douche chills. gilmour cant write to save his life. dude had his girlfriend writing things for him on albums after waters left. dave can play the axe like a madman but waters is the heart and soul of any of the floyds later writing, starting with dark side and ending with the final cut.

[PCLoadLetter]

Waters issue is that he never knew his father, who died in a war before he was born. The Final Cut was about that.

Prior to that, pretty much everything from the departure of Syd Barrett was about him, directly and metaphorically.

The Wall was in some respects more metaphorically inspired by Syd's life and departure.
In SOME respects, yes, but "The Wall" had plenty to do with the death of the father he never knew... The Final Cut was not the first appearance of this theme by any stretch.

You are correct that every prior Waters-influenced album from DSOTM on through The Wall was heavily influenced by Syd and his breakdown, and this theme continues in a relatively minor way in that latter record... But I don't think that anything aside from the massively screwed-up "Pink" character in The Wall can be directly attributed to Barrett. The majority of The Wall is a Waters creation from his own mind, insecurities and experiences... And I don't think there's any way you can listen to the album (or watch the film) and not think that Roger is one fucked-up dude... A feeling that continues through the nearly-solo album The Final Cut and into his actual solo work.

And the real anti war stuff from Floyd started with The Final Cut and the solo albums from Waters.
I'd say the Floyd song "When the Tigers Broke Free" is an early example of the peacenik songwriting that both Waters and Gilmour would continue to write well into the 80's, both as a team and by themselves... Even though it didn't make the record, it made the movie only two years later. Not to mention multiple other songs on The Wall.

Whether they did it together or alone, they're peacenik pieces of shit now. :rolleyes:

[boardsofcanada]

ok how could you not include floyd and springsteen

[sknight]

Puddle,

Again, the point precludes you, even though you made some fine points. One side is the peacenik faggot side in a complicated world asking people to love each other.

The other side is the horrors and wrongs that come as a result.

[boardsofcanada]

Lyricist = Bono
Musician = The Edge, Daniel Lanois, Steve Lillywhite, Brian Eno, Flood, Martin Gore.

ahhh brian eno, now there is true musical genius:clap:

[chumpy]

ok how could you not include floyd and springsteen


Well I'll give you Floyd but I HATE Springsteen. Yes, I'm from Jersey. It can happen.