To Catch a Predator: Fair or Unfair?

[ShooterMcGavin]

The Dateline predator show. Is it fair or unfair to lure these guys into a trap?

[Mother Shucker]

Care?

I don't care what means they use to catch kid toucher's.

[Mommadeez4u]

Kid touchers? Yes. Guilty of a crime? No.

[ChimneyFish]

I have to vote "fair", as these people are the worst garbage of society, but there's something that seems realy wrong with it.



Weird................

[mikeybot]

Totally fair and hilarious.

[Arch Stanton]

Would think there would be more of it. Get them all.

[robinquivers]

Need more to get these creeps off the street. It's amazing with all the publicity that these guys keep falling for it

[smurray06]

fair, but how often do these dumbasses get to fuck 13 year olds? how the fuck would they risk being on tv and going to jail.

[mendozathejew]

they cant lock enough of them up for my liking. fair is an understatement

[AssOrgy]

Fair...But I understand.

[THE FEZ MAN]

right? yes. fair no. although i do beleve that its a good thing to get these scumbags off the street. what they do and how they do it is a little underhanded. (not that fucking little girls isnt) its like offering candy to a retard then takeing it away. i think they should be at least alowed to see what they were going to fuck before they lock them up.

[Absolutely]

I voted Unfair, I hate when people are lured in or trapped.
I mean I understand that it's good for society to get these people some help/prison time, but it just seems wrong.
Like when Cops sell people drugs in an undercover operation, and then bust them. Cheap.
I don't like when people are looking to catch you, like a cop who just sits there and runs radar on a road.

[Mother Shucker]

I voted Unfair, I hate when people are lured in or trapped.
I mean I understand that it's good for society to get these people some help/prison time, but it just seems wrong.
Like when Cops sell people drugs in an undercover operation, and then bust them. Cheap.
I don't like when people are looking to catch you, like a cop who just sits there and runs radar on a road.
Yeah maaaaaan. I hate when the pigs trap you maaaaaaan.

Yech.

[Absolutely]

Yeah maaaaaan. I hate when the pigs trap you maaaaaaan.

Yech.

If you want to be watched by the Maaaaaaan all the time be my guest, If I'm caught fine but cops just looking to ticket people or those fucking camera lights and stop signs, fuck that.

[generoso]

The thing is. Can really really convict them of a serious crime. They were not talking to a minor nor visiting a minor. Hence there was never any harm going to be done. Did they have intent hell yea. Even though the scumbags should be put away for a while. IMO this should only be a major mistomender.

[smurray06]

The thing is. Can really really convict them of a serious crime. They were not talking to a minor nor visiting a minor. Hence there was never any harm going to be done. Did they have intent hell yea. Even though the scumbags should be put away for a while. IMO this should only be a major mistomender.
yea but i think what the law says is that because they thought it was a minor it is illegal. also they initiated the contact with the minor, and then went to meet the minor. in most states, not texas, you can say all you want to a minor as long as you do not go to visit the minor.

[Palerider4146]

Fuck those pedo file assholes. Hmmmm, 2 votes for the other side, I guess Jimmy and Patrice have logged on here recently.

[abudabit]

I like the ideas of traps, just don't like the idea of broadcasting it.

[Ol'BloodyBottom]

El Chiva just said his friend RAMONE dropped him off.

[Magaman]

Its unfair for many reasons, most of the times it really seems like entrapment, now don't get me wrong I love the show its funny shit, and there are some sickos that should be locked up but I think in most cases the people working for the cops in the chats push the people into showing up.

[Ol'BloodyBottom]

yea but all those guys talk about SAX with the girls

[Angelfuck]

absolutely fair, if these guys are stupid enough to show up at a 13 yr old girls house they should feel lucky its dateline that catches then and not the girls dad

[Sinn Fein]

To make it more fair they oughta leave the police out of it and have 15 men with aluminum baseball bats waiting outside.

[smurray06]

Its unfair for many reasons, most of the times it really seems like entrapment, now don't get me wrong I love the show its funny shit, and there are some sickos that should be locked up but I think in most cases the people working for the cops in the chats push the people into showing up.
it is only entrapment if they initiate the contact with the subject. like if they use cops to sell drugs.

[patbattlefield]

The Dateline predator show. Is it fair or unfair to lure these guys into a trap?

identify much?:icon_mrgr

[abudabit]

All I know is if we weren't supposed to fuck 13 year olds they wouldn't be sprouting pubic hair.

There's grass on the field, I've got that bat and balls, let's play.

[ImAlrightSpider]

Gotta say: considering the crime they are trying to commit - FAIR.

Isn't it better to stop them before they actually damage a child?

[ShooterMcGavin]

Gotta say: considering the crime they are trying to commit - FAIR.

Isn't it better to stop them before they actually damage a child?

How are they damaging the child when the child is inviting them over?

[Southtown]

How are they damaging the child when the child is inviting them over?

I have to say thats a good point.

[smurray06]

How are they damaging the child when the child is inviting them over?
if you go to perverted justice or some other web sites you will see that most of these people manipulate the kids because they are usually emotionally weak.

but i am pretty sure that the cops say my parents aren't home, and the predators ask if they can come over.

heres perverted justice's web site http://perverted-justice.com/guide/

[DonTheTrucker]

Unfair and funny. I have no pity for kid touchers, they're the only thing I hate more than cops.

[DonTheTrucker]

How are they damaging the child when the child is inviting them over?

We're missing the point. THERE IS NO FUCKING CHILD.

It's like selling powdered sugar as coke. It's a crime of some sort but not a real sex crime.

And lets not kid ourselves, these dirty fuckers manipulate the kid touchers too. For our entertainment, thankfully.

[Sct Ptersns Twn]

All I have to say is Ha, ha, ha......The research doctor that got caught last night was fuuuuuuuuunny! He got everything he deserved.

[edzeppe]

I think its ridiculous really. and entertaining...

I think a lot of these guys are the type that likely would have never acted on actually showing up at some of these girls homes.... but the people that are setting them up make the situation so perfect, they cant pass it up. Thats where i think its entrapment. It reminds me of an episode of SVU where robert patrick was a rapist who got released... so Chris Keller (yes, i know) decides to Move in next door and talk about ****, go to the guys support group, and buys an unmarked van, and basically turns the guy back into a rapist- and then arrests him for it.

And a lot of these guys arent "pedofiles" in the traditional sense. They are not interested in banging a 15 year old girl because she's so young... they are interested because its all they can get. It doesnt make it right, but its not the same as touching your 7 year olds friends. if a 15 year old sneaks into a college party with her sister, and gets fucked, is the guy banging her labelled a pedofile by society? Maybe some parts of it, but in general, no. A lot of these guys arent looking to fuck a kid- they are just looking to fuck ANYONE.

I also think a big part of the problem i have with it is that they can show these guys faces. They have not been convicted yet, but because its technically "news" they dont need to sign a waiver. even on COPS, they can find a guy with a meth lab in his trunk, his wife has 2 black eyes, and he swings on the cops- and they still blur his face.... it obvious that NBC is using this as an entertainment show, and they should not be showing faces until there is a conviction or a release signed.

[Ant's_rapier]

Here's my stance.
As a father I want these guys caught, emabrassed and lives wrecked forever. They belive that who they are talking to is a child and they show intent by arriving to the house. Kids are stupid and can easily get into this type of situation especially if the crave attention or lack a loving home. These asshats alway's say 'i am just here to talk". Sure they are there to talk but they show up with the intent of fucking a kid. The way the laws are written in Texas always start of with "knowingly and intentionaly" The guys know why they show up and they show intent by showing up. Would you say its unfair for Homeland security to be in contact with suspected terrorists about the purchase of a nuclear bombl? Would it be unfair to "lure" them to a meeting place with a fake bomb only to bust them? Texas has some of the strictest predator laws in the country and I hope they only get more strict for my children's sake.

Thats all

[Angelfuck]

I think its ridiculous really. and entertaining...

I think a lot of these guys are the type that likely would have never acted on actually showing up at some of these girls homes.... but the people that are setting them up make the situation so perfect, they cant pass it up. Thats where i think its entrapment. It reminds me of an episode of SVU where robert patrick was a rapist who got released... so Chris Keller (yes, i know) decides to Move in next door and talk about ****, go to the guys support group, and buys an unmarked van, and basically turns the guy back into a rapist- and then arrests him for it.

And a lot of these guys arent "pedofiles" in the traditional sense. They are not interested in banging a 15 year old girl because she's so young... they are interested because its all they can get. It doesnt make it right, but its not the same as touching your 7 year olds friends. if a 15 year old sneaks into a college party with her sister, and gets fucked, is the guy banging her labelled a pedofile by society? Maybe some parts of it, but in general, no. A lot of these guys arent looking to fuck a kid- they are just looking to fuck ANYONE.

I also think a big part of the problem i have with it is that they can show these guys faces. They have not been convicted yet, but because its technically "news" they dont need to sign a waiver. even on COPS, they can find a guy with a meth lab in his trunk, his wife has 2 black eyes, and he swings on the cops- and they still blur his face.... it obvious that NBC is using this as an entertainment show, and they should not be showing faces until there is a conviction or a release signed.

put it this way, if you go into a chat room and write "Hi, 14f, anyone wanna chat?" and a 35 yr old guy pm's you asking if there's hair on your snatch, if you like to touch yourself and if you want to get together to do "xy&z" and then follows through on meeting you. whether you are a 14yr old girl or not he is a pedophile and deserves to get arrested

[smurray06]

Here's my stance.
As a father I want these guys caught, emabrassed and lives wrecked forever. They belive that who they are talking to is a child and they show intent by arriving to the house. Kids are stupid and can easily get into this type of situation especially if the crave attention or lack a loving home. These asshats alway's say 'i am just here to talk". Sure they are there to talk but they show up with the intent of fucking a kid. The way the laws are written in Texas always start of with "knowingly and intentionaly" The guys know why they show up and they show intent by showing up. Would you say its unfair for Homeland security to be in contact with suspected terrorists about the purchase of a nuclear bombl? Would it be unfair to "lure" them to a meeting place with a fake bomb only to bust them? Texas has some of the strictest predator laws in the country and I hope they only get more strict for my children's sake.

Thats all
yes you do live in a great state with great laws, my teacher told me if you catch you're wife in bed with another women in the act you can shoot her a law from the 1800's and not sure if it's true but the guy was obsesed with stupid stuff so i believe him, in texas it is illegal for a predator to contact a minor about sex without going to meet them.

but when did people that are trying to fuck 13 year old girls or boys have rights? if they contact a girl and go to meet them they should be hung on site. no trial no jury strait to execution.

[Ant's_rapier]

I wish they all did this.
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/10250152/detail.html

Murphy TX is one town over from me so the sting there made me very happy.

[BeltOfScotch]

I also think a big part of the problem i have with it is that they can show these guys faces. They have not been convicted yet, but because its technically "news" they dont need to sign a waiver. even on COPS, they can find a guy with a meth lab in his trunk, his wife has 2 black eyes, and he swings on the cops- and they still blur his face.... it obvious that NBC is using this as an entertainment show, and they should not be showing faces until there is a conviction or a release signed.

I actually do agree with this. The show, and that is all NBC cares about, wouldn't really be affected if they couldn't show the guy's faces. And as you said they have not been convicted of anything so yeah showing their faces isn't really all that cool.

I just can't agree that the overall premise of the show is unfair in any way though. Unless you could prove that the people at perverted justice are actively trying to get these guys to show up, and it's clear entrapment, then there is absolutely nothing wrong or unfair with what they are doing. And I definitely don't buy the "this is all they can get" argument, if you're in a chatroom and you have a sexual conversation with a 14 year old girl and then decide to go to her house with the clear intent of banging her, you need to go to jail, plain and simple.

[edzeppe]

I just can't agree that the overall premise of the show is unfair in any way though. Unless you could prove that the people at perverted justice are actively trying to get these guys to show up, and it's clear entrapment, then there is absolutely nothing wrong or unfair with what they are doing. And I definitely don't buy the "this is all they can get" argument, if you're in a chatroom and you have a sexual conversation with a 14 year old girl and then decide to go to her house with the clear intent of banging her, you need to go to jail, plain and simple.


I guess i just think that these arent the guys that are going to force sex on anyone, unless the can manipulate them into agreeing. Id rather they focus on the assholes that take kids in the mall and off the playground.

I think legit child touchers should be executed, without question. Im not a liberal "they need help... maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" apologist or anything, just the way they catch these guys seems a little off to me.

I think my problem with the dateline show started when on one episode, they made a point to say something along the lines of "State law requires in this type of sting that the person having the coversations be a member of law enforcement...... so _______ county sheriff deputized our perverted justice team for the day..."

well that requirement existed for a reason, and i really dont like that the police and NBC skirted the law for it.

[Syntax]

putting them on tv may forever destroy even the ones that rehabilitate themselves.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

Fair. How many of these fucking creepy douches on this show are either caught bringing alcohol with them, have prior kid-touching convictions, or both?

[wes mantooth]

Does this mean that we shouldn't send pics of our cocks to kids anymore?

[weakside]

It is fair.

Look, I agree that the show is less about "trying to make a difference" as it is trying to make a buck by sensationalizing a crime but you have to admit that this is a pretty horrific offense.

I never blamed anyone for their fetishes because you can't help what turns you on but some fetishes have to be kept in the realm of fantasy, and some others should be discussed with a psychologist. I think most people will agree that child abuse goes beyond even that. You can not and should not ever touch children whether or not they invite you over and roll out the proverbial red carpet. They are still children and thus must be protected by the law.

This has already been mentioned on O&A but it bears repeating: anyone who is into children and is on the fence about going beyond the fantasy world and venture into reality now has another good reason not to. Is the TV show being slightly disingenuous regarding their intentions? Sure it is. Welcome to the world of mass media. But will it make a difference, no matter how slight, in the rate of people abusing children? I suggest it will, and that is a good thing.

[bucket-of-aids]

From what I understand, the perps go into a chat room that is labled as underage. And they're the ones who always start the conversation and make it sexual. That's just from what I've gleened from the show.

So yes, it's fair and very funny. But I voted "unfair" because Chris Hansen and his crew are a bunch of fun ruiners.

[OandA_Chris]

it is so fair and i do not even understand how you can say it is not.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Speaking of Chris Hansen...he was the Grand Marshall at the Thanksgiving Day Parade in Stamford, CT today. He apparently lives in my neck of the woods...

EDIT: Oh, I voted fair...but "tattle-tails" really made me want to vote unfair :icon_lol:

[Ant's_rapier]

As far as identity's staying secure how do we know that NBC doesn't get consents signed after the fact? I'm sure that somehow it is a part of a legal deal to get less time.

[kloraferm]

absolutely fair, if these guys are stupid enough to show up at a 13 yr old girls house they should feel lucky its dateline that catches then and not the girls dad
Shit, yeah. At leat with dateline they wouldn't have to worry about some raging dad coming after them with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. At least that's what I'd probably do if one of these creeps was trying to nail my little girl (I'm so glad I don't have kids).

[BeltOfScotch]

As far as identity's staying secure how do we know that NBC doesn't get consents signed after the fact? I'm sure that somehow it is a part of a legal deal to get less time.

Because Chris Hansen was asked about that when he was on O&A and his response was that because they were a news program they did not legally have to obtain consents to show people's faces on their program.

[Harvey_Birdman]

Here's my stance.
As a father I want these guys caught, emabrassed and lives wrecked forever.

Sounds like you are biased.

What we need is an unbiased person to make this determination. Someone who doesn't have any kids and doesn't want to touch kids. Now I don't have any kids...

[bloody hymen]

unfair...old enough to bleed, old enough to breed

in all seriousness, 14-16 y/o's know enough to be able to consent to sex, 18 is just some arbitrary age set. the most surprising thing is my finance actually agrees with me.

[poppAwoody]

fair legal and fuck them! Stop trying to pick up kids you fucking losers. Cant get a goddamn woman or their dicks are too small for an adult sized woman